April 29, 2024 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Draft proves why NFL is king. Roger Goodell alludes to an 18-game season and the Super Bowl on President’s Day Weekend. Plus, Chris Ballard defends his new draft pick in epic fashion.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and au Lamar
ding Win and Jonas Knots on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel in here in a Monday BQ.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Just trying to take in the draft. I mean, it's
there's so many interesting takeaways. Obviously after free agency, now
after the draft, I think every fan out there has
an idea of like where their team's at, their chance
of winning a Super Bowl this year. Obviously a lot
of time until the season starts. But I gotta tell you,
I I kind of fed off some of your enthusiasm
(00:37):
for the draft.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It's it's such a cool event.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's such a neat experience even to go through it,
but looking back on it now, just it's it's the
most unique draft.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
And an event.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I think there is a professional sports and no one
does it better in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And I think the final tally was just under eight
hundred thousand fans. Yeah, because you really do combine the
best of both worlds. If the NFL is king and
college football is second, it's it's the one event where
they're all together at the same time, and you kind
of you kind of mix both those audiences in. But
(01:16):
just the NFL's idea on moving this thing around, and
you know, going from New York and all that, and
I know, you know, you guys like the tradition of
New York. I've always liked the draft because it just
gave everybody hope. They're like, all right, we may have
sucked last year, but you know there's some hope here.
And then just to see what it's turned into. When
(01:37):
we were in Vegas for the Draft a couple of
years ago. You've been to a bunch of drafts and
it just to be there and to see what it's
turned into from all these years later, and it just
gets bigger and better every single year. And then next year,
if I'm not mistaking it's Green Bay, correct, I think
it's in Green Bay next year. So that's going to
be that's going to be pretty wild as well too.
So good times, good times to be had at the Draft.
(01:59):
I mean, look, I just I would appreciate it personally
if we could just skip past the whole international fan
of the Year reading the pick for some of these guys.
That part really bothers me. It really bo It's like
these guys are supposed to take in the moment, the
biggest moment of their career, of their life. They've worked
(02:19):
so hard to get up to this point. They're gonna
get their name called and get drafted. And it's some
goofball wearing all team uniforms. Like they had a guy
who was dressed up in suspenders with a cheese hat
on because he was representing the Packers, some guy from
like London or someplace like that. You got like this
other guy, like representing the Bears. Some slob. He comes
(02:42):
out there and like a jack Sanborn Jersey and he
starts reading off the pick in the fourth round. We
give them games, all right, They get their games, all right,
they get a few a year. We just don't need
these guys walking up there look looking like dummies, you know,
reading off these picks because they're half in the bag.
I think it's a bit insulting, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
See, you don't think that's part of them trying to,
you know, spread the game internationally, and that that's part
of their little I don't know, try trying to dig
in to spread the game.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It isn't isn't them getting a game enough? Do we
have to reward the fans by getting up there to
read these picks, you know, like somebody's gonna screw something up,
and then it turns into like some professional wrestling event
where they're calling out the opposing fan base and this
and that. It's like, dude, just let these guys enjoy
their moment. Can we get somebody with some credibility up
there to read these pics? It's all about yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Okay, that's how you feel about it.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I think what's interesting is I've never actually asked an
international fan that is a fan of the NFL, like,
do you watch the Draft? I mean, I think we
all understand they're going to watch the Super Bowl, they
might even attend the game that's over in London or overseas.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
That's over in Europe, right, But do you actually watch
the draft?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I mean that's the next step of really getting the
intrigue of it, because it's not like, as they would say,
it's not like they watched university. You know, they're not
watching college football mostly, although college football is trying to
you know, create it's uh, it's footprint over there. Yeah, clearly,
we went to Ireland last year saw that firsthand.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Are we going back this year?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I don't know, you know who where it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Seem like there's uh maybe the hoops for the jump
through last year. It doesn't seem like there's a lot
of momentum of us going back this year. You know.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I mean it's either that or maybe we're not getting
invited back. You know, you know we could we could
have done some damage out there, and maybe there's some
money we're lost.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Damn bar.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It was a great time, but it was by a
couple of rounds there. It was a lot more expensive
than I anticipated.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I do appreciate the fact that if if somebody offers
you a beer at ten in the morning and you
say no, they look at you like you're the weirdo.
I do appreciate that that like you're the one who's
got the issue, not me having a be or my
second beer at ten in the morning. It's you who's
(05:03):
got the problem. It's like, okay, well, I mean it's
it's two o'clock in the morning back home. You know,
it's not exactly the time I want to have a guinness.
But you know, you have fun and you tear it
up a little bit. I do when it comes to
the draft and just sort of the you kind of
pointed this out it did feel like there's not as
many guys going to the draft, like it did feel
(05:24):
like there wasn't that the green room wasn't as packed.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And I'm just wondering, with it being in Green Bay
next year, is this gonna I mean, are we gonna
see the numbers dwindle even more? Like maybe that maybe
these places aren't quote unquote cool enough for him for
some of these players to go get drafted there. Because
if you're the guy getting drafted by the team hosting
the draft, it's awesome. It's like Arnold for Alabama who
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went and got drafted by the Lions in the first round.
That was awesome. So if you're one of these guys
that gets drafted by the Packers next year, they're gonna
roll out the red carpet and you're gonna be celebrated
unlike anybody else.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So let's just talk about the quarterbacks, because we had
six go in the top twelve picks, and if I'm
not mistaken, we're the.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Top three all at the draft.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Caleb Williams obviously was, Yes, I believe Jane Daniels was
and was, and Drake may was, and I think that's
a lot to do with the fact that we anticipated
all three of those going one, two, three.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, if you.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Look at how the draft, even back when I'd went,
you know, there was five of us and I hadn't
met with the team outside the top ten, and obviously
all those guys went inside the top seven. So that
was kind of the mold or model, if you will,
is they anticipated having, you know, a group of guys
they all thought were going in the top ten. And
(06:43):
I think if you look at the quarterbacks, for example,
Michael Penix Junior, who ended up going to eight, probably
the biggest surprise of the draft, JJ mccarthur ends up
going what tenth, I think, right the Jets traded out
that spot, and then you had the Broncos who took Bonix.
All three were somewhere else, and the reason being is
there was speculation, wild speculation over where any of them
would go. So I think that lends a little bit
(07:07):
of an understanding to being someone who's been there and
who's gone through sitting in the green room and having
to wait and having a camera on you. Is when
you do fall like, that's what you sign up for.
You signed up for the exposure to they're going to
talk about it, and they're gonna put you on camera.
(07:27):
It's one of the storylines, you know, for this year,
maybe it wasn't quite as big of a storyline because
if Michael Pennix or Bo Nix, or maybe Jajo McCarthy,
if he would have dropped further than where he went,
maybe people would have made a bigger story about it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But none of that really happened this year.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I mean, the one that I think was most surprising
to me was Spencer Ratler, who I didn't think he
was going to be a first round pick. I thought
he maybe could be a second, third round pick. The
fact that he dropped to where he did was what
was really surprising. To be taken in the fifth round,
that was that was somewhat shocking. Give it his talent
level and what he put on tape, I did not
think he'd go that late in the draft. So it
(08:07):
lends you a little bit of an understanding of this
is a big deal. It's a big event, and no
one wants to be that guy. Some of the guys
are concerned or scared of being put in a position
where they may be criticized, maybe on camera a lot,
and that's their own progative, right, it's their own opportunity
to do it. At the end of the day, you're
just blessed to be able to have a chance to
(08:27):
get draft in the NFL and go play a game
for your first true professional job, right, Not like the
bogie in or Hollister or Embassy suites back in the
day some of my former employers before I before I
actually got.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
In the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, man, you working at a Hollister, It's just a
wonderful tale like that. That really is something. Did you
get any free like clothes or outfits or anything like that?
They give you a.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Discount, You get a discount.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
But that's the thing is you quickly realize after the
first time when you buy, because you have to wear
their clothes and you work there, they give you this
really big discount. I realized, like my entire paycheck just
went to what I'm wearing at work. Like it's just
because you turned right back around and buy that stuff. Yeah, yeah,
that was a terrible idea.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
On the Spencer Rattler stuff. How about the crap that
came out and Ian Rappaport couldn't even I think, understand
it himself. That the reason the thought was that he
dropped as far as he was because we were talking
on Friday and the Raiders were picking at forty four
in the second round, and we were thinking, okay, that
could be a landing spot. I think it was one
of our over unders as well too, as to where
he went so to drop all the way down. Ian
(09:31):
Rappaport said that he talked to a number of NFL
teams and they said the way that he was depicted
and the way that he came across on the QB
one show from Netflix was part of the reason why
teams wanted to potentially steer clear of him. That came
out when he was seventeen. It was six years ago,
(09:52):
and teams didn't like the way he was portrayed in
QB one, and that's part of the reason why he dropped.
What are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's obviously odd that a team, you know, you'd think
that they do their due diligence to look at the player,
look at who he is now. I do wonder if
that was a convenient excuse, and maybe some of the
teams that did do some of the work on him
felt like there was still some of that Oklahoma felt
like there was still some of that of South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
It's hard to ultimately know. Obviously that's you know, their own.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Team's prerogative, but that's a learning lesson I think for
a lot of young men out there is everything you
do is being monitored. They look at the tweets. I
think they said from these kids up through junior high
and as much as we would scrutinized teams for that
being something that made them hesitant of, you know, drafting
Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
The second they draft Spencer Rattler and that.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Clip comes out, the team, the coach, the general manager,
they're all they have to talk about it like that
stuff's out there publicly. So that's what you're drafting when
you draft him. Is even though we say it's six
years ago when he was seventeen, he's growing up. He's
matured a lot since then. They're still gonna have to
answer for it. As much as like we want to
we want to fault the NFL evaluators, uh, you know,
(11:09):
and the and the fun office execs and people who
who might have said this is it's we're also part
of the reason for that. Like we're just as much
to blame for how we are as a society because
we bring that stuff back up.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
We we there's a never ending search of it.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So again I hated it for him because again I
thought he was a really talented player and I still
think he's in a great spot if he gets his
opportunity in New Orleans to see.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
What that might look like.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But these teams will comb through every little piece of
information they can to try to reduce their risk of
bringing a guy that was portrayed and not a great light.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
And you know that was his choice.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He was on that show, and again, I know he's
grown up a lot since then, but maybe they felt
like there was some of that time of Oklahoma with
some of that South Caroline.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
We don't know what they found out out.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
We can only speculate at this point, but it's it's
tough for these young men to live in an era
where everything you do is now scrutinized for the time
you're sixteen seventeen moving on.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
And that part of the reason why you shouldn't do
a reality show like.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's one of the biggest that's what the quarterbacks want
to sign up for. The Yeah, in the Netflix series.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I want you want to do it, and I would
want no part of that. Like, listen, you're celebrity, all right,
Brady Quinn's a celebrity, all right?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Your wife consider myself that your.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Wife is an Olympian, the Great Alicia Sacramony. Like I
mean you guys, you guys are tailor made to be
a reality show. But no, not interested. Rather keep some
of this stuff private and not have a camera follow
you around. And by the way, a lot of these
reality shows and the people behind the reality shows, doesn't
it always end up turning into disaster, Like somebody's always
(12:50):
got that something on you. Like I don't know what
the divorce rate or the breakup rate is on some
of these reality show couples and marriages that go on
television and have cameras fall them around, but it is
a disaster. And Spencer Rattler just had to wait an
extra day and a half because the way he was
depicted when he was a teenager on a Netflix show
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kind of wild man, like the background checks that they've done,
but away we go. What would it cost? Like how
much if somebody offered you a certain amount? What would
be your number to do reality show?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I don't know if there's a price, I mean honestly, like,
it's just you wouldn't want you'd have that full control
of editing, like all those things that you know no
one would ever give up. You know, most of these
people who do these reality TV shows, they want the
final say so they can create the storylines, they can
create the drama.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
And that's why it would just never work.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I do sometimes feel like it would be beneficial to
pay for a camera crew to follow my family only
so we could be like, whoa pause, all right, let's
go back and watch this on replay, okay, and then
you actually like talk through a scenario or like an
argument or fight, and you're like, you know, you said
I said this. You're like, no, no, pause, all right,
let's go to the camera crew and we go back. Yeah,
(14:05):
we break it back down. You're like, all right, see
you said this. Now I'm gonna fast forward a little
bit here. Okay, stop, this is where you made this face.
And this is where I was then like, oh that's
what okay that because it means something different when you
say it, and you say it with that face, with
that attitude, right, And that's what really triggered me to
then start arguing with you.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's I don't know that would be I.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Think the most useful part of having a camera following
you around is you could literally be able to kind
of pick apart your life like that.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Eye in the sky and draw it out on the
screen like shallow arrows and circles. And this is where
it happened.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Literally, have the whole team and the family room have
like a chalkboard up there and be like, all right,
here's where we need to get better.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Let's go back to the tape now, delights.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That is a good move.
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Speaker 2 (15:36):
So we've been kind of speculating, not if, but when
the NFL was going to get to an eighteen game season.
We're sitting at seventeen now and it was only a
matter of time. Roger Goodell was on the Pat McAfee
show starring Ajhawk on Friday, which, by the way, the
Kentucky Derby's coming up this weekend. To damn shame, we
(15:58):
can't have our Kentucky Derby. The insider Ajhawk join us
on the show to kind of break down the Kentucky Derby.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I'm not necessarily sure that we can't. I can try
reaching out and sing if it's possible.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean, we got to make that happen.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
The problem is, I don't know what he's gonna call
The Derby's on Saturday. Our show stops Friday. Yeah, so
you want like a Monday recap. Plus I'm not even on.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Friday this week.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, how would we work this thing? I mean yeah,
because he's not great at really giving predictions. It's more
a recap of the event and the drinking and partying
that goes on at the event, and also how much
they're gambling. Monday. Yeah, I mean Monday could work. I'm
not trying to. We don't want to get him in
trouble though. If it's going to be a problem, you know,
(16:48):
we don't want to. We don't want to cause those problems.
But you know, he was ours first. I mean, before
he was on the Pat McAfee show. He was doing
you know, horse racing and Kentucky Derby recaps. So we'll
get to see we're going to effort that and see.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What technically I think that started, like while they were
patting him are working together, so it was still part
of the Pat McAfee show, just not as we know
it today.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Huh. I didn't know they'd worked together that long.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Well yeah, yeah, they actually worked together back when I
believe it was a barstool show.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Okay, yeah, so then yeah, that seems to make sense.
All right, Well whatever, listen, he was ours on Fox
Sports Radio first, Brady Quinn and I when we did
the Sunday night show, So we'll see if we can
line that up. But point is, Roger Goodell was talking
with Pat with AJ and the guys at the draft
on Friday in Detroit and had some things to say
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about the potential of the regular season expanding and also
the potential of the Super Bowl being on President's Day weekend.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Well, I think we're good at seventeen now, but listen,
we're looking at how we continue.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm not a fan of the preseason.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I'd rather replace a preseason game of the regular season
any day. That's just picking quot right, So if we
get if we got to eighteen and two, that's not
an unreasonable thing. The other thing it does, which I
thought you were going to is that ends up on
President's Day weekend, which is a three day weekend, which
makes a Sunday night and then you have Monday off.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I love how he's got to work that in with
the live crowd behind him. You know, he's got to
let it like, got to let everybody know like, hey,
I'm on your side, guys, this is out works.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
It's like, get many cheers.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
The other thing, too, that I thought was kind of
funny is that you'll get the you know, we care
about player safety, care about player safety. We're going to
add a regular season game, but don't worry, we're going
to take one off the preseason. It's like, well, like,
how how many snaps do starters actually get in preseason games?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Like some of these guys don't play at all, So
you're still going to run into that. And I just wonder,
you know, how much pushback there's going to be from
the PA, or if they've got enough, you know, if
they're actually going to stand their ground this time and
let it pass. I think last time it passed it
was like fifty one percent. It was a narrow mark
to get to seventeen games, and players are upset about it.
(19:03):
I wonder what this means for eighteen for those guys.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well, the problem is, again, they allowed this footing to
take place in the CBA, and typically when the owners
won something which an additional regular season game equates to
more revenue for the league, and the owners will say back,
or Roger Cadell will say back, well, hey, that's you know,
that's revenue that we're splitting with you guys, the players,
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so it's good for everyone. The problem is the players.
Obviously it's an additional game, additional chance of getting injured,
and now you might be able to say, well, that's
also a different additional chance to earn incentives and things
of that nature. I'm sure those are going to shift though,
where they're going to make it more difficult for them
to earn you know, certain incentives, right, certain numbers, And
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that's one of the reasons why you always see playtime
like you see percentages. Right, So if it's a sixteen
game season, seventeen game season, eighteen game season, you've got
to play what fifty one percent of the snaps or
you know, seventy percent in the snaps in order to
earn that incentive.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
And that's one of the.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Reasons why they put in the contract that way, because
they don't want to have it set to, oh, we
you need to play x amount of games x amount
of plays, right, since that can fluctuate. So it's more
of the frustration I think from players that they have
to put themselves out there for an additional game and
the owners really receive the majority of the benefit of that,
and there's no way that players can recoup anything other
(20:26):
than saying we don't like this we're not going to play.
We're going to strike until you guys figure out something
else that we want, and you got to give us
since you want these eighteen games. Because the other thing
for players, and one of the reasons why the NFLPA
tries to protect the at least two preseason games in
this case is it's to showcase guys who haven't played to.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Make the roster.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You know, there's a lot of opportunities for guys who
get drafted or get signed this free agents and come
in or trying to make the roster, and those preseason
games are invaluable for experience but also for making the roster,
and guys don't have those or they cut down those opportunities.
You only got two instead of maybe three games. It
can be somewhat difficult when you're trying to figure out,
(21:07):
you know, which guys can make that back end of it.
You know, it's not as uh, you know, presumed to
the rosters. Everyone thinks like, oh, well, these are the
guys you're gonna take just because the contracts.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
It's not always the case.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
You've got some guys who really show up the preseason
once the lights turn on, and that makes the difference
of them making the roster, So I think there needs
to be at least too that's probably the minimum. But
are the players that gonna get another buy? I think
any additional time off to rest their bodies. Are they
just going to plow through the rest of the eighteen
game season with only one buy and maybe you get,
you know, an additional time off after a short week
(21:39):
on a Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And look, I know the preseason, like people will look
at it and go, well, you know the games aren't
you know, they don't matter. It's exhibition. You know, fans
don't even care. It's well not everything has to be
about whether or not fans care, like you know, like
fans you know probably aren't watching, you know, all of
OTAs or aren't and attendance for a lot of these
things offseason. It doesn't mean there's not important and there's
(22:02):
no value at them. And I just I look at
it and I go, I hope we never get to
a point to where somebody's pounding the table to get
rid of them altogether and just say no, no, just
get past and go straight to the season. They can
do it in college football. Why can't you do it
in the NFL. There's there's something to it, and I
know a lot of people aren't fans of it or
maybe don't like it. I like the preseason. I like
(22:22):
watching you know, certain guys that you maybe followed in
college that are going to get a couple of snaps
or a couple of reps here or there. And also
if you're one of these guys and you do get
in a preseason game, if you never made an NFL
roster and played in a regular season game, to me,
that still matters. Like to be able to be out
there in an NFL stadium and to be able to
(22:44):
compete like you're still in rarefied air. I hope like
the entire value of the preseason doesn't get lost with
people going to the Yeah, but fans don't care about it.
It's exhibition football. You know, they're not even painting the
stadiums half the time, the stadiums aren't full. Not everything's
got to be about the show and about the fans.
They get enough, like they're getting eighteen regular season games,
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they've got the playoffs, they've got the draft, they've got
all that stuff. Not everything has to be marketed to
just the fans. And I feel like sometimes people try
and make that argument to.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Your point too, about even just the opportunities to be
there in the preseason for players and that might be
their only mark or there might be the only reps
they get in their career. But more so just talking
about quarterbacks, oftentimes that back up, the only live reps
he's getting are those two preseason games, And so how
much are you really preparing that backup to go in
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and try to win some games for your team if
you keep cutting down on some of those live reps.
You know, I'm not saying it makes a world of difference,
but it makes a difference. Given those guys some live
game experience before they actually go into the to the
regular season, there's different speeds, and going from training camp
and practice or even enjoint practices, it's not the same
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speed as what you're gonna see then once you go
into a preseason game and once you go to and
gave it ramps up little bit in the regular season.
So to not make it such a big jump, especially
for young quarterbacks in a league that you know obviously
feeds off young quarterbacks from college football all the time,
whether as starters or as backups, it would be who
of the NFL to remember this, there's still development going on.
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I know it's all about money, that's all all people
care about anymore as money, money, money, But when you
have a crappy product, right because the most important position,
you don't put in the things necessary to help them
develop or help them get live reps, it's gonna end
up being unwatchable at times. And the offense is scoring
has been down quarterback play. A lot of people would challenge,
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I mean Tom Brady said this, you know recently, like
they just not taught how to play the game of football,
like if it needs to be played at the next level.
A lot of these young men aren't be taught in fronts.
They're not being taught, you know, how to read coverage
and hey, what concepts works against different coverages?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
How do you beat stacks? How do you beat bunches?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Like these are not concepts that you're hearing college teams
talk about. That's not the type of system and style
they're running there. So if you want to protect your product,
you want to protect the game, you're going to have
to remember there needs to be time to teach these
young men who are coming to the NFL how to
play the NFL game, which is different than college.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And also when people complain about the quality of play,
and you mentioned the offense is being down, but that
like we always have these discussions early on in the season. Man,
tackling was bad, this was bad. That was bad. Well, yeah,
that's that's a result of guys aren't out there like
they're not they're not getting any action, they're not in
these games like they're practicing. But it's not the same.
So at least you know, we're still going to maintain
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the two games. If we get to the eighteen game
regular season, now the super Bowl on President's Day weekend,
that is a no brainer, right, that has to happen.
I would also say, you know, if you're one of
these fans who still shows up to work on Monday
because you didn't plan in advance, you know, some sort
of vasectomy or a kinsinetta or you know, surprise birthday,
(25:56):
maybe a death in the family, that you can kind of,
you know, look into the future and say, all right, now,
I'm going to pencil that in. That'll be my go
to whatever it is. If you're not already getting the
Monday after the super Bowl off, you got problems, but
at least the NFL is going to save the day
and potentially throw the super Bowl on President's Day weekend.
Not that it matters to us. We're still going to
be doing the show, and we still got to be
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here at work because we're grinding away doing sports stock radio.
But for fans, at least this is going to give
them their day off, or you just move the super
Bowl to Saturday and we don't have to worry about
any of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I know you have pushed for that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I think there's something there.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
There is something there. I won't argue against it because
it would be nice to have that next day hangover.
I'm sure Lee and some others out there would join
in in that thought. But I look at it and
I think they're just trying to eat up the entire calendar.
That's the reality of it. They're trying to make every
single week kind of blend into the next. Where if
you keep pushing it back further in the February, think
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about what's in the on the other side of that,
the start of the new league year in free agency,
so you really don't have any.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Sort of letout.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It just it rolls right from the super Bowl, the
biggest event. You catch your breath, but you already start
getting the conversations about roster building and free agents.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And the next year the combines, the combines last week
of February, right, that's.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
When yeah, excuse me, so, which is where a lot
of those rumors and things come from. So but to
your point, to that point, you literally turn it over,
like then we start focusing on college. Then we start
focusing focus on a.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Week and a half and they're showing up to Indianapolis
for the Combine's That's.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That's another reason though, why I think you're gonna see
teams that play in the Super Bowl not even attend
the combine, you.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Know, not if they don't have to.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So well, yeah, listen, we're going to get the all
the speculation and the potential of this stuff happening. I
do wonder how soon until it happens before the NFL
pulls the trigger, because as you said at the start,
it was only a matter of if there are when
not if that this was going to happen, they were
going to expand the season. I just wonder how how
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far away we're looking at that.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And here's the dirty truth about how they get to
eighteen games, it's going to increase the revenue because it's
going to increase the money coming from TV.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
At least we would assume so.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And what that does is it increases the salary cap
and it increases his salary cap for more salary cap space.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Four.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
The top one or two percent, and the top one
or two percent are the guys who oftentimes are lobbying
their team. They're representing the team amongst the union because
they want to get these deals through. You know, the
usually the top paid guys end up being represented representatives
of teams for the NFL Players Union because they're untouchable.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
There's always this thought that if you were a union
rep and you're the guy out there a practice monitoring things,
making sure that you know this, the coaching staff for
this particular organization's not pulling one over or doing something
illegal within the CBA, and you got to call them
on that. But you're a guy who doesn't have many
guarantees in this contract. You're concerned that you could be
a casually to due to it. So it's usually the
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top one or two percent that will push for it too,
because they're also incentivized because the next time their contracts up,
they're gonna be the guy cashing.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
In on it.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Good good for them. See, that's why you got to
aim to be a top one or two percent, right,
don't don't settle for the middle of the pack crap.
Be a one or two percent guy. All right, that's
the moral story here.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
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Speaker 2 (29:32):
So Newt Rockety died in nineteen thirty one, and over
the weekend they've decided to move his grave exum the
body or exzoom the casket I'm assuming not not the
actual body, but take the casket, everything inside the casket,
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and they're going to rebury it at the University of
Notre Dame. That's the that's what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, I mean, I saw the same thing you saw.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So it's I'm just like, I just wonder why now,
Like I don't know. I mean, it's you know, but hey, listen,
I mean that's that's where it should be. Then that's
where it should be. You know. It's a family decision.
But yeah, I was not expecting to see that as
one of us.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I wasn't either this morning. It almost makes me wonder,
And I don't know that this is a thing or not.
Maybe everyone else can pitch it and help answer this question.
The people still do April Fool's joke at the.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
End of the month.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
There was only like an.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
April one, April two or three type thing.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think bad jokes get
an entire month. I think they just get one day
and then after that it's over. Okay, Lee, you got
any uh, just the first Yeah, it is just it's
just the first.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So you tell a April Fool's joke in the second
or third, you gonna be chastised for it.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Then you're just a bad comedian. Yeah. So all right,
so there, I mean, look is what it it is man? Uh,
you know, go Irish and New Rockney is now going
to be at the university and they'll get that done
and you know, away we go with that. By the way,
I did promise you a little bit of intel on Lee,
(31:13):
I was doing so he told me the I don't
want to name the place because you know, I don't
want to air him out too bad, but he told
me one of the places that he frequents when he's
going to get a couple of throat burners, you know,
whenever he decides to get out and go have a
little bit of fun. And so he I went and
looked up the place because I've never been at this place.
(31:34):
I've never seen it. I don't know anything about it.
And man, what a dump. My god, Oh, how the
hell are you? First of all, have you been to
this place during the daytime every Wednesday?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
God, that's depressed Wednesday deliveries. Yeah, it's super dark in there.
Keep the door shut. I mean I could smell the
place through the computer looking up pictures. Yeah, it's like
it looks like one of those dingy like you ever
get depressed when like if you're in Las Vegas, like
you open up the curtains and you see the strip
(32:08):
during the daytime and it's like all the lights are
gone and it's just a desert with a bunch of
buildings and it's filled with sin and drugs and gambling
and hookers and you know all the other good stuff
that Vegas provided. I'm just saying, but like you open
(32:30):
up the curtains and you look at all that during
the daytime and you go, God, I'm depressed. I looked
at this place. There were some daytime shots of the place.
Leaf frequents during the day. What a miserable spot to
be lee. Well, it definitely is not open during the day,
thank goodness, does not see the light of day.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
It's one of those thin, you know, narrow bars, which
always is more depressing than I feel. And you don't
know because you got to get close to the bar.
You don't want to tote back and forth.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I mean, but you're still going.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
You know, I hated the bar for a long time,
even when Todd worked there, but it grew on me.
I became a regular. I know all the regulars obviously. Yeah,
and it's a it's a little home away from home.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So there's a little uh yeah, a little digging into
where leaf frequents as we live vicariously through the here
at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So that being said, we transitioned smoothly over to the
NFL Draft, and somebody had a little bit of a
red ass over the weekend. And that's somebody was Colts
general manager Chris Ballard, who was defending the selection of
Texas wide receiver a Donnie Mitchell, who fell to the
second round. The Colts snabbed him, and then Chris Ballard
(33:49):
was asked about, you know some of the reports that
maybe Donnie Mitchell was difficult to assess in the interview
process and maybe did an interview well with certain teams.
And here is the Colt GM response.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I mean I read some of the that was set
on tea.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
I mean, just a typical e choose my language, our
typical league, unnamed sources.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
You know, bad interview.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
That's such. I mean, it is.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
It's like put your name, like, put your name on it.
We tear these young men down. These are twenty one,
twenty two young men. And if you can, if people
out there can tell me they're perfect in.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Their lives, it's crap.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
It's crap.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
This is a good kid, and you know, for those
reports to come out, like you know, I said it
last year.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
It's it's bud.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I apologize for the language. I don't but I do.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I don't know, but I do.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Finally, he's got a little Chip Games to him, Chip
Games with his hair grown out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
can see that going on.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I do tend to relate to the frustration of in
this process the person who ultimately takes the bigg beating
as the player.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
And it's odd, man, it really is.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
When you transition from the college season to the NFL season,
it becomes so negative. It's so negative the entire process.
It's all about what these players can do anymore, what
their flaws are, what the weaknesses are. And some people
might say, that's that's fun. It's a profession now, you know,
that's what you're doing. You're trying to project these guys.
You got to know the good and bad. I understand that.
(35:26):
But what a lot of people on the outside don't
understand is that what makes it to the actual media
comes from agents, competing agents with other players, trying to
prop up, boost up their player versus another. That's where
all this information goes and gets out from. You talk
to coaches, you talk to players, people. You know, they're
not telling you anything they're doing. They're just not they're
(35:49):
not not until maybe if you're an insider, you're you know,
talking night before the draft, you know, a couple of
days before the draft, something like that. But all this
negative stuff you hear, it usually comes from agents. It
usually comes from people who I heard this or I'm
hearing this like, there's not a ton of validity to it.
(36:10):
I mean in regards to Adie Mitchell and what was
supposedly said. You know, I don't know if it was
character concerns or however they described it, but he's diabetic.
Maybe there's some issues with managing that sometimes, but you know,
it's just it always gets overblown and sensationalized, and usually
because someone has a prerogative, they're trying to prop.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Up their receiver versus this receiver.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So it's look for the Colts, it's awesome pick because
now they get Adie Mitchell, they got Michael Pittman, and
that's a hell of a one to two punch for
Anthony Richardson, who obviously didn't play much his rookie year,
but he gets that now in year two and Shane
Stikeen's offense, that's huge and it gives an opportunity for
Adie Mitchell to not necessarily have to go in right
(36:56):
away to be the guy where he wasn't really that
At Texas, you know, Xavier Worth, they had more targets,
more production, Adie Mitchell had more touchdowns, a little bit,
bigger body, easier to hide point him and isolate him
in the red zone. But he doesn't have to go
into Indianapolis and be that guy. He gets to develop
into that. You know, if you're a keyon Coleman. On
the other hand, who in Buffalo is going to go
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in and be the guy that's a much heavier burden
to carry it away. You know, he's he's going to
have to be able to, you know, beat the best cornerback,
beat double coverage in the NFL and his rookie season
if even warrants that. So I hate that part of
the process. That's the truth behind how all this stuff
goes on. But at least it'll be a good pick
(37:40):
up for the Colts, and I think Ady mitchellill fit
in well there.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
It's also the idea that because I was trying to
find look, was there an off field issue? Did he
you know, was there like I can understand, like last year,
you know, Jalen Carter went through that. But listen, I
mean people lost their lives. There was some stuff he
was being questioned on, like I could understand. We got
to find out more about the guy. But the more
I looked into this, it was like, well, you know,
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he didn't interview well, like you know, the interview process
was rough, and it's like, all right, well, let's just
say that's what it is. I mean, I don't know
about you, but I've had bad job interviews before. Like
I remember one specifically, I talked to a radio station
and completely bombed, Like I don't know, it was just
it was it was a bad interview. I just I
performed poorly that day. But it's like there's no grace period,
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there's no there's no sort of all right, well listen,
you know, give it another shot. We can understand it. Instead,
it's just all right, that's our one time we got
to talk to him, and we're gonna let that be
our lasting impression. All right. So what about off the
field stuff, Well, there's none of that. It's just you know,
he didn't interview well, well, maybe he doesn't interview well
or talk well in front of people, like not everybody's
got a great personality and comes across great. It just
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feels like, to your point, you're trying to find something
wrong so that you can just eliminate guys as opposed
to focusing on all the great things they do, and
he could be a great player with all the skill
set and talent in the world. He could be a
really good dude with no priors or anything like that.
But what's wrong with him? Like, let's let's find something
wrong so we can eliminate it from the process and
(39:11):
just make it easier on ourselves, because, yeah, you don't
know if you like somebody, but you definitely know if
you don't like him, And that's what it feels like
goes on here and seeing Chris Ballard get fired up
about it. I will say this, if you're Chris Ballad
and you go that hard in the paint for a
guy you drafted, all right, you better hope that you're right,
you know, because some people are going to going to
remember that and say, all right, this is the guy
you defended and he's an a hole if that's what
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it turns out to be. But hopefully it works out
well for him and he's, you know, in to get
a pretty good spot there in Indianapolis. But it's good
to see Chris Ballard with the Chip Gains look defending his.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Guy, little red ass too to him.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You know, it's nice.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I do appreciate a good red ass.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
By the way, I didn't really. He's a big dude. Yeah,
Like he like he looks like he could throw it
around a little bit, like gets in the weight room
and you know kind of lets it. You know, what
are we thinking like two plates minimum just for warm up?
You know, probably going you know two twenty about come
on bench the only one that Matt.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah, probably probably warming up a little two twenty five
and then going on from there.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So I mean the combines in Indy and you know,
Jim Mersey used to like to work out with Ryan Grigson,
so maybe that was like the prerequisite if you wanted
to be the GM of the Colts. You gotta be
throwing iron around. Yeah, move that bar and ben And
you just pretended that, Yeah, you know, that's that's my
philosophy at that bar and bend And you just pretended,
you know, that's how we do it in Dublin. And
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if you if you think differently, you can kiss our ass.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I promise you this. It's it's a Monday morning, April
twenty ninth. The boys there at Dublin Coffin High School,
they're alreadyetting after it. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, coach Stokes.
He's got them rolling, he's got them going.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Now what are they do? They get any sort of
protein drink afterwards? Is it that high level like you're
in college.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Or the way just drink the water?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Water is just full of a ribbi and that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Water there in Dublin, I'm not sure. I'm not sure
we're u where you're from. When it's like a thousand oaks,
you know.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I mean, the mean streets probably makes you soft. What
are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Like?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
People, when people think Dublin coff and I they go,
what is Dublin?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Lee's water source seems to be Evan Williams or some
sort of Jack Daniels. Now, hold on, Lee's like that
guy I heard the story about that his stomach just
naturally and takes uh takes carbohydrates turns into alcohol.
Speaker 8 (41:30):
Yeah. My water source is soda, water for my ranch water,
my tequila and soda water orgin or gin and soda.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
If you had to pick one drink of choicely, what
would it be?
Speaker 8 (41:41):
Gin and soda?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I mean, not not water, not like like coffee, and yeah,
you have.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
One drink to drink the rest of your life.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
I don't know, G and T is pretty high up there?
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Is that usually how you start off tonight?
Speaker 8 (42:02):
Are you saying? And I have to choose between water
and alcohol?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
By the way, G and T and ajit and soda
to me are very different tasting.
Speaker 8 (42:11):
They you can be yesterday and they are. It's mostly well,
you're getting mostly the tonic. You're getting mostly the sweet
if you're doing a G and T. But that's why
I like the soda water because you can actually taste
what you're drinking, whether it's tequila, gin or whatever.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Do you have a top gin like Mount rushmore of
gin like Bombay?
Speaker 8 (42:32):
I'm not a Bombay guy. It's a little too sweet
for me. Tanga Ray is up there. Beefeeders is good,
but it's not I wouldn't say it's high up there. Hendricks,
is you know a favorite one?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
But not mine?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
What's the part on Kingpin where Bill Murray's sitting at
the bar and she goes neither tang Ray and tab Yeah,
keep them coming, sweets. I got a long drive ahead
of me. That movie is so good. There's so many
good lines of that movie.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
I mean, mostly by Bill Murray. Suppose they're all ad
libbed that's that's the word.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
But oh Man, two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, so listen. That was a
just a well rounded segment. We started with New Rockney's
grave being moved and ended up with Lee's drink of choice.
So that's how it's done here. If you want to
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel in here in a Monday BQ.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Just trying to take in the draft. I mean, it's
there's so many interesting takeaways. Obviously after free agency, now
after the draft, I think every fan out there has
an idea of like where their team's at, their chance
of winning a Super Bowl this year. Obviously a lot
of time until the season starts. But I gotta tell you,
I I kind of fed off some of your enthusiasm
(00:37):
for the draft.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It's it's such a cool event.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's such a neat experience even to go through it,
but looking back on it now, just it's it's the
most unique draft.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
And an event.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I think there is a professional sports and no one
does it better in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And I think the final tally was just under eight
hundred thousand fans. Yeah, because you really do combine the
best of both worlds. If the NFL is king and
college football is second, it's it's the one event where
they're all together at the same time, and you kind
of you kind of mix both those audiences in. But
(01:16):
just the NFL's idea on moving this thing around, and
you know, going from New York and all that, and
I know, you know, you guys like the tradition of
New York. I've always liked the draft because it just
gave everybody hope. They're like, all right, we may have
sucked last year, but you know there's some hope here.
And then just to see what it's turned into. When
(01:37):
we were in Vegas for the Draft a couple of
years ago. You've been to a bunch of drafts and
it just to be there and to see what it's
turned into from all these years later, and it just
gets bigger and better every single year. And then next year,
if I'm not mistaking it's Green Bay, correct, I think
it's in Green Bay next year. So that's going to
be that's going to be pretty wild as well too.
So good times, good times to be had at the Draft.
(01:59):
I mean, look, I just I would appreciate it personally
if we could just skip past the whole international fan
of the Year reading the pick for some of these guys.
That part really bothers me. It really bo It's like
these guys are supposed to take in the moment, the
biggest moment of their career, of their life. They've worked
(02:19):
so hard to get up to this point. They're gonna
get their name called and get drafted. And it's some
goofball wearing all team uniforms. Like they had a guy
who was dressed up in suspenders with a cheese hat
on because he was representing the Packers, some guy from
like London or someplace like that. You got like this
other guy, like representing the Bears. Some slob. He comes
(02:42):
out there and like a jack Sanborn Jersey and he
starts reading off the pick in the fourth round. We
give them games, all right, They get their games, all right,
they get a few a year. We just don't need
these guys walking up there look looking like dummies, you know,
reading off these picks because they're half in the bag.
I think it's a bit insulting, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
See, you don't think that's part of them trying to,
you know, spread the game internationally, and that that's part
of their little I don't know, try trying to dig
in to spread the game.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It isn't isn't them getting a game enough? Do we
have to reward the fans by getting up there to
read these picks, you know, like somebody's gonna screw something up,
and then it turns into like some professional wrestling event
where they're calling out the opposing fan base and this
and that. It's like, dude, just let these guys enjoy
their moment. Can we get somebody with some credibility up
there to read these pics? It's all about yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Okay, that's how you feel about it.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I think what's interesting is I've never actually asked an
international fan that is a fan of the NFL, like,
do you watch the Draft? I mean, I think we
all understand they're going to watch the Super Bowl, they
might even attend the game that's over in London or overseas.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
That's over in Europe, right, But do you actually watch
the draft?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I mean that's the next step of really getting the
intrigue of it, because it's not like, as they would say,
it's not like they watched university. You know, they're not
watching college football mostly, although college football is trying to
you know, create it's uh, it's footprint over there. Yeah, clearly,
we went to Ireland last year saw that firsthand.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Are we going back this year?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I don't know, you know who where it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Seem like there's uh maybe the hoops for the jump
through last year. It doesn't seem like there's a lot
of momentum of us going back this year. You know.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I mean it's either that or maybe we're not getting
invited back. You know, you know we could we could
have done some damage out there, and maybe there's some
money we're lost.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Damn bar.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It was a great time, but it was by a
couple of rounds there. It was a lot more expensive
than I anticipated.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I do appreciate the fact that if if somebody offers
you a beer at ten in the morning and you
say no, they look at you like you're the weirdo.
I do appreciate that that like you're the one who's
got the issue, not me having a be or my
second beer at ten in the morning. It's you who's
(05:03):
got the problem. It's like, okay, well, I mean it's
it's two o'clock in the morning back home. You know,
it's not exactly the time I want to have a guinness.
But you know, you have fun and you tear it
up a little bit. I do when it comes to
the draft and just sort of the you kind of
pointed this out it did feel like there's not as
many guys going to the draft, like it did feel
(05:24):
like there wasn't that the green room wasn't as packed.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And I'm just wondering, with it being in Green Bay
next year, is this gonna I mean, are we gonna
see the numbers dwindle even more? Like maybe that maybe
these places aren't quote unquote cool enough for him for
some of these players to go get drafted there. Because
if you're the guy getting drafted by the team hosting
the draft, it's awesome. It's like Arnold for Alabama who
(05:49):
went and got drafted by the Lions in the first round.
That was awesome. So if you're one of these guys
that gets drafted by the Packers next year, they're gonna
roll out the red carpet and you're gonna be celebrated
unlike anybody else.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So let's just talk about the quarterbacks, because we had
six go in the top twelve picks, and if I'm
not mistaken, we're the.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Top three all at the draft.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Caleb Williams obviously was, Yes, I believe Jane Daniels was
and was, and Drake may was, and I think that's
a lot to do with the fact that we anticipated
all three of those going one, two, three.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, if you.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Look at how the draft, even back when I'd went,
you know, there was five of us and I hadn't
met with the team outside the top ten, and obviously
all those guys went inside the top seven. So that
was kind of the mold or model, if you will,
is they anticipated having, you know, a group of guys
they all thought were going in the top ten. And
(06:43):
I think if you look at the quarterbacks, for example,
Michael Penix Junior, who ended up going to eight, probably
the biggest surprise of the draft, JJ mccarthur ends up
going what tenth, I think, right the Jets traded out
that spot, and then you had the Broncos who took Bonix.
All three were somewhere else, and the reason being is
there was speculation, wild speculation over where any of them
would go. So I think that lends a little bit
(07:07):
of an understanding to being someone who's been there and
who's gone through sitting in the green room and having
to wait and having a camera on you. Is when
you do fall like, that's what you sign up for.
You signed up for the exposure to they're going to
talk about it, and they're gonna put you on camera.
(07:27):
It's one of the storylines, you know, for this year,
maybe it wasn't quite as big of a storyline because
if Michael Pennix or Bo Nix, or maybe Jajo McCarthy,
if he would have dropped further than where he went,
maybe people would have made a bigger story about it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But none of that really happened this year.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I mean, the one that I think was most surprising
to me was Spencer Ratler, who I didn't think he
was going to be a first round pick. I thought
he maybe could be a second, third round pick. The
fact that he dropped to where he did was what
was really surprising. To be taken in the fifth round,
that was that was somewhat shocking. Give it his talent
level and what he put on tape, I did not
think he'd go that late in the draft. So it
(08:07):
lends you a little bit of an understanding of this
is a big deal. It's a big event, and no
one wants to be that guy. Some of the guys
are concerned or scared of being put in a position
where they may be criticized, maybe on camera a lot,
and that's their own progative, right, it's their own opportunity
to do it. At the end of the day, you're
just blessed to be able to have a chance to
(08:27):
get draft in the NFL and go play a game
for your first true professional job, right, Not like the
bogie in or Hollister or Embassy suites back in the
day some of my former employers before I before I
actually got.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
In the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, man, you working at a Hollister, It's just a
wonderful tale like that. That really is something. Did you
get any free like clothes or outfits or anything like that?
They give you a.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Discount, You get a discount.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
But that's the thing is you quickly realize after the
first time when you buy, because you have to wear
their clothes and you work there, they give you this
really big discount. I realized, like my entire paycheck just
went to what I'm wearing at work. Like it's just
because you turned right back around and buy that stuff. Yeah, yeah,
that was a terrible idea.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
On the Spencer Rattler stuff. How about the crap that
came out and Ian Rappaport couldn't even I think, understand
it himself. That the reason the thought was that he
dropped as far as he was because we were talking
on Friday and the Raiders were picking at forty four
in the second round, and we were thinking, okay, that
could be a landing spot. I think it was one
of our over unders as well too, as to where
he went so to drop all the way down. Ian
(09:31):
Rappaport said that he talked to a number of NFL
teams and they said the way that he was depicted
and the way that he came across on the QB
one show from Netflix was part of the reason why
teams wanted to potentially steer clear of him. That came
out when he was seventeen. It was six years ago,
(09:52):
and teams didn't like the way he was portrayed in
QB one, and that's part of the reason why he dropped.
What are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's obviously odd that a team, you know, you'd think
that they do their due diligence to look at the player,
look at who he is now. I do wonder if
that was a convenient excuse, and maybe some of the
teams that did do some of the work on him
felt like there was still some of that Oklahoma felt
like there was still some of that of South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
It's hard to ultimately know. Obviously that's you know, their own.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Team's prerogative, but that's a learning lesson I think for
a lot of young men out there is everything you
do is being monitored. They look at the tweets. I
think they said from these kids up through junior high
and as much as we would scrutinized teams for that
being something that made them hesitant of, you know, drafting
Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
The second they draft Spencer Rattler and that.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Clip comes out, the team, the coach, the general manager,
they're all they have to talk about it like that
stuff's out there publicly. So that's what you're drafting when
you draft him. Is even though we say it's six
years ago when he was seventeen, he's growing up. He's
matured a lot since then. They're still gonna have to
answer for it. As much as like we want to
we want to fault the NFL evaluators, uh, you know,
(11:09):
and the and the fun office execs and people who
who might have said this is it's we're also part
of the reason for that. Like we're just as much
to blame for how we are as a society because
we bring that stuff back up.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
We we there's a never ending search of it.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So again I hated it for him because again I
thought he was a really talented player and I still
think he's in a great spot if he gets his
opportunity in New Orleans to see.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
What that might look like.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But these teams will comb through every little piece of
information they can to try to reduce their risk of
bringing a guy that was portrayed and not a great light.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
And you know that was his choice.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He was on that show, and again, I know he's
grown up a lot since then, but maybe they felt
like there was some of that time of Oklahoma with
some of that South Caroline.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
We don't know what they found out out.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
We can only speculate at this point, but it's it's
tough for these young men to live in an era
where everything you do is now scrutinized for the time
you're sixteen seventeen moving on.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
And that part of the reason why you shouldn't do
a reality show like.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's one of the biggest that's what the quarterbacks want
to sign up for. The Yeah, in the Netflix series.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I want you want to do it, and I would
want no part of that. Like, listen, you're celebrity, all right,
Brady Quinn's a celebrity, all right?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Your wife consider myself that your.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Wife is an Olympian, the Great Alicia Sacramony. Like I
mean you guys, you guys are tailor made to be
a reality show. But no, not interested. Rather keep some
of this stuff private and not have a camera follow
you around. And by the way, a lot of these
reality shows and the people behind the reality shows, doesn't
it always end up turning into disaster, Like somebody's always
(12:50):
got that something on you. Like I don't know what
the divorce rate or the breakup rate is on some
of these reality show couples and marriages that go on
television and have cameras fall them around, but it is
a disaster. And Spencer Rattler just had to wait an
extra day and a half because the way he was
depicted when he was a teenager on a Netflix show
(13:11):
kind of wild man, like the background checks that they've done,
but away we go. What would it cost? Like how
much if somebody offered you a certain amount? What would
be your number to do reality show?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I don't know if there's a price, I mean honestly, like,
it's just you wouldn't want you'd have that full control
of editing, like all those things that you know no
one would ever give up. You know, most of these
people who do these reality TV shows, they want the
final say so they can create the storylines, they can
create the drama.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
And that's why it would just never work.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I do sometimes feel like it would be beneficial to
pay for a camera crew to follow my family only
so we could be like, whoa pause, all right, let's
go back and watch this on replay, okay, and then
you actually like talk through a scenario or like an
argument or fight, and you're like, you know, you said
I said this. You're like, no, no, pause, all right,
let's go to the camera crew and we go back. Yeah,
(14:05):
we break it back down. You're like, all right, see
you said this. Now I'm gonna fast forward a little
bit here. Okay, stop, this is where you made this face.
And this is where I was then like, oh that's
what okay that because it means something different when you
say it, and you say it with that face, with
that attitude, right, And that's what really triggered me to
then start arguing with you.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's I don't know that would be I.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Think the most useful part of having a camera following
you around is you could literally be able to kind
of pick apart your life like that.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Eye in the sky and draw it out on the
screen like shallow arrows and circles. And this is where
it happened.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Literally, have the whole team and the family room have
like a chalkboard up there and be like, all right,
here's where we need to get better.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Let's go back to the tape now, delights.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That is a good move.
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Speaker 2 (15:36):
So we've been kind of speculating, not if, but when
the NFL was going to get to an eighteen game season.
We're sitting at seventeen now and it was only a
matter of time. Roger Goodell was on the Pat McAfee
show starring Ajhawk on Friday, which, by the way, the
Kentucky Derby's coming up this weekend. To damn shame, we
(15:58):
can't have our Kentucky Derby. The insider Ajhawk join us
on the show to kind of break down the Kentucky Derby.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I'm not necessarily sure that we can't. I can try
reaching out and sing if it's possible.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean, we got to make that happen.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
The problem is, I don't know what he's gonna call
The Derby's on Saturday. Our show stops Friday. Yeah, so
you want like a Monday recap. Plus I'm not even on.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Friday this week.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, how would we work this thing? I mean yeah,
because he's not great at really giving predictions. It's more
a recap of the event and the drinking and partying
that goes on at the event, and also how much
they're gambling. Monday. Yeah, I mean Monday could work. I'm
not trying to. We don't want to get him in
trouble though. If it's going to be a problem, you know,
(16:48):
we don't want to. We don't want to cause those problems.
But you know, he was ours first. I mean, before
he was on the Pat McAfee show. He was doing
you know, horse racing and Kentucky Derby recaps. So we'll
get to see we're going to effort that and see.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What technically I think that started, like while they were
patting him are working together, so it was still part
of the Pat McAfee show, just not as we know
it today.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Huh. I didn't know they'd worked together that long.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Well yeah, yeah, they actually worked together back when I
believe it was a barstool show.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Okay, yeah, so then yeah, that seems to make sense.
All right, Well whatever, listen, he was ours on Fox
Sports Radio first, Brady Quinn and I when we did
the Sunday night show, So we'll see if we can
line that up. But point is, Roger Goodell was talking
with Pat with AJ and the guys at the draft
on Friday in Detroit and had some things to say
(17:41):
about the potential of the regular season expanding and also
the potential of the Super Bowl being on President's Day weekend.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Well, I think we're good at seventeen now, but listen,
we're looking at how we continue.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm not a fan of the preseason.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I'd rather replace a preseason game of the regular season
any day. That's just picking quot right, So if we
get if we got to eighteen and two, that's not
an unreasonable thing. The other thing it does, which I
thought you were going to is that ends up on
President's Day weekend, which is a three day weekend, which
makes a Sunday night and then you have Monday off.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I love how he's got to work that in with
the live crowd behind him. You know, he's got to
let it like, got to let everybody know like, hey,
I'm on your side, guys, this is out works.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
It's like, get many cheers.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
The other thing, too, that I thought was kind of
funny is that you'll get the you know, we care
about player safety, care about player safety. We're going to
add a regular season game, but don't worry, we're going
to take one off the preseason. It's like, well, like,
how how many snaps do starters actually get in preseason games?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Like some of these guys don't play at all, So
you're still going to run into that. And I just wonder,
you know, how much pushback there's going to be from
the PA, or if they've got enough, you know, if
they're actually going to stand their ground this time and
let it pass. I think last time it passed it
was like fifty one percent. It was a narrow mark
to get to seventeen games, and players are upset about it.
(19:03):
I wonder what this means for eighteen for those guys.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well, the problem is, again, they allowed this footing to
take place in the CBA, and typically when the owners
won something which an additional regular season game equates to
more revenue for the league, and the owners will say back,
or Roger Cadell will say back, well, hey, that's you know,
that's revenue that we're splitting with you guys, the players,
(19:25):
so it's good for everyone. The problem is the players.
Obviously it's an additional game, additional chance of getting injured,
and now you might be able to say, well, that's
also a different additional chance to earn incentives and things
of that nature. I'm sure those are going to shift though,
where they're going to make it more difficult for them
to earn you know, certain incentives, right, certain numbers, And
(19:47):
that's one of the reasons why you always see playtime
like you see percentages. Right, So if it's a sixteen
game season, seventeen game season, eighteen game season, you've got
to play what fifty one percent of the snaps or
you know, seventy percent in the snaps in order to
earn that incentive.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
And that's one of the.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Reasons why they put in the contract that way, because
they don't want to have it set to, oh, we
you need to play x amount of games x amount
of plays, right, since that can fluctuate. So it's more
of the frustration I think from players that they have
to put themselves out there for an additional game and
the owners really receive the majority of the benefit of that,
and there's no way that players can recoup anything other
(20:26):
than saying we don't like this we're not going to play.
We're going to strike until you guys figure out something
else that we want, and you got to give us
since you want these eighteen games. Because the other thing
for players, and one of the reasons why the NFLPA
tries to protect the at least two preseason games in
this case is it's to showcase guys who haven't played to.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Make the roster.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You know, there's a lot of opportunities for guys who
get drafted or get signed this free agents and come
in or trying to make the roster, and those preseason
games are invaluable for experience but also for making the roster,
and guys don't have those or they cut down those opportunities.
You only got two instead of maybe three games. It
can be somewhat difficult when you're trying to figure out,
(21:07):
you know, which guys can make that back end of it.
You know, it's not as uh, you know, presumed to
the rosters. Everyone thinks like, oh, well, these are the
guys you're gonna take just because the contracts.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
It's not always the case.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
You've got some guys who really show up the preseason
once the lights turn on, and that makes the difference
of them making the roster, So I think there needs
to be at least too that's probably the minimum. But
are the players that gonna get another buy? I think
any additional time off to rest their bodies. Are they
just going to plow through the rest of the eighteen
game season with only one buy and maybe you get,
you know, an additional time off after a short week
(21:39):
on a Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And look, I know the preseason, like people will look
at it and go, well, you know the games aren't
you know, they don't matter. It's exhibition. You know, fans
don't even care. It's well not everything has to be
about whether or not fans care, like you know, like
fans you know probably aren't watching, you know, all of
OTAs or aren't and attendance for a lot of these
things offseason. It doesn't mean there's not important and there's
(22:02):
no value at them. And I just I look at
it and I go, I hope we never get to
a point to where somebody's pounding the table to get
rid of them altogether and just say no, no, just
get past and go straight to the season. They can
do it in college football. Why can't you do it
in the NFL. There's there's something to it, and I
know a lot of people aren't fans of it or
maybe don't like it. I like the preseason. I like
(22:22):
watching you know, certain guys that you maybe followed in
college that are going to get a couple of snaps
or a couple of reps here or there. And also
if you're one of these guys and you do get
in a preseason game, if you never made an NFL
roster and played in a regular season game, to me,
that still matters. Like to be able to be out
there in an NFL stadium and to be able to
(22:44):
compete like you're still in rarefied air. I hope like
the entire value of the preseason doesn't get lost with
people going to the Yeah, but fans don't care about it.
It's exhibition football. You know, they're not even painting the
stadiums half the time, the stadiums aren't full. Not everything's
got to be about the show and about the fans.
They get enough, like they're getting eighteen regular season games,
(23:05):
they've got the playoffs, they've got the draft, they've got
all that stuff. Not everything has to be marketed to
just the fans. And I feel like sometimes people try
and make that argument to.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Your point too, about even just the opportunities to be
there in the preseason for players and that might be
their only mark or there might be the only reps
they get in their career. But more so just talking
about quarterbacks, oftentimes that back up, the only live reps
he's getting are those two preseason games, And so how
much are you really preparing that backup to go in
(23:36):
and try to win some games for your team if
you keep cutting down on some of those live reps.
You know, I'm not saying it makes a world of difference,
but it makes a difference. Given those guys some live
game experience before they actually go into the to the
regular season, there's different speeds, and going from training camp
and practice or even enjoint practices, it's not the same
(23:56):
speed as what you're gonna see then once you go
into a preseason game and once you go to and
gave it ramps up little bit in the regular season.
So to not make it such a big jump, especially
for young quarterbacks in a league that you know obviously
feeds off young quarterbacks from college football all the time,
whether as starters or as backups, it would be who
of the NFL to remember this, there's still development going on.
(24:17):
I know it's all about money, that's all all people
care about anymore as money, money, money, But when you
have a crappy product, right because the most important position,
you don't put in the things necessary to help them
develop or help them get live reps, it's gonna end
up being unwatchable at times. And the offense is scoring
has been down quarterback play. A lot of people would challenge,
(24:37):
I mean Tom Brady said this, you know recently, like
they just not taught how to play the game of football,
like if it needs to be played at the next level.
A lot of these young men aren't be taught in fronts.
They're not being taught, you know, how to read coverage
and hey, what concepts works against different coverages?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
How do you beat stacks? How do you beat bunches?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Like these are not concepts that you're hearing college teams
talk about. That's not the type of system and style
they're running there. So if you want to protect your product,
you want to protect the game, you're going to have
to remember there needs to be time to teach these
young men who are coming to the NFL how to
play the NFL game, which is different than college.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And also when people complain about the quality of play,
and you mentioned the offense is being down, but that
like we always have these discussions early on in the season. Man,
tackling was bad, this was bad. That was bad. Well, yeah,
that's that's a result of guys aren't out there like
they're not they're not getting any action, they're not in
these games like they're practicing. But it's not the same.
So at least you know, we're still going to maintain
(25:33):
the two games. If we get to the eighteen game
regular season, now the super Bowl on President's Day weekend,
that is a no brainer, right, that has to happen.
I would also say, you know, if you're one of
these fans who still shows up to work on Monday
because you didn't plan in advance, you know, some sort
of vasectomy or a kinsinetta or you know, surprise birthday,
(25:56):
maybe a death in the family, that you can kind of,
you know, look into the future and say, all right, now,
I'm going to pencil that in. That'll be my go
to whatever it is. If you're not already getting the
Monday after the super Bowl off, you got problems, but
at least the NFL is going to save the day
and potentially throw the super Bowl on President's Day weekend.
Not that it matters to us. We're still going to
be doing the show, and we still got to be
(26:17):
here at work because we're grinding away doing sports stock radio.
But for fans, at least this is going to give
them their day off, or you just move the super
Bowl to Saturday and we don't have to worry about
any of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I know you have pushed for that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I think there's something there.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
There is something there. I won't argue against it because
it would be nice to have that next day hangover.
I'm sure Lee and some others out there would join
in in that thought. But I look at it and
I think they're just trying to eat up the entire calendar.
That's the reality of it. They're trying to make every
single week kind of blend into the next. Where if
you keep pushing it back further in the February, think
(26:53):
about what's in the on the other side of that,
the start of the new league year in free agency,
so you really don't have any.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Sort of letout.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It just it rolls right from the super Bowl, the
biggest event. You catch your breath, but you already start
getting the conversations about roster building and free agents.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And the next year the combines, the combines last week
of February, right, that's.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
When yeah, excuse me, so, which is where a lot
of those rumors and things come from. So but to
your point, to that point, you literally turn it over,
like then we start focusing on college. Then we start
focusing focus on a.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Week and a half and they're showing up to Indianapolis
for the Combine's That's.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That's another reason though, why I think you're gonna see
teams that play in the Super Bowl not even attend
the combine, you.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Know, not if they don't have to.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So well, yeah, listen, we're going to get the all
the speculation and the potential of this stuff happening. I
do wonder how soon until it happens before the NFL
pulls the trigger, because as you said at the start,
it was only a matter of if there are when
not if that this was going to happen, they were
going to expand the season. I just wonder how how
(27:58):
far away we're looking at that.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
And here's the dirty truth about how they get to
eighteen games, it's going to increase the revenue because it's
going to increase the money coming from TV.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
At least we would assume so.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And what that does is it increases the salary cap
and it increases his salary cap for more salary cap space.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Four.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
The top one or two percent, and the top one
or two percent are the guys who oftentimes are lobbying
their team. They're representing the team amongst the union because
they want to get these deals through. You know, the
usually the top paid guys end up being represented representatives
of teams for the NFL Players Union because they're untouchable.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
There's always this thought that if you were a union
rep and you're the guy out there a practice monitoring things,
making sure that you know this, the coaching staff for
this particular organization's not pulling one over or doing something
illegal within the CBA, and you got to call them
on that. But you're a guy who doesn't have many
guarantees in this contract. You're concerned that you could be
a casually to due to it. So it's usually the
(29:03):
top one or two percent that will push for it too,
because they're also incentivized because the next time their contracts up,
they're gonna be the guy cashing.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
In on it.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Good good for them. See, that's why you got to
aim to be a top one or two percent, right,
don't don't settle for the middle of the pack crap.
Be a one or two percent guy. All right, that's
the moral story here.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
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Speaker 2 (29:32):
So Newt Rockety died in nineteen thirty one, and over
the weekend they've decided to move his grave exum the
body or exzoom the casket I'm assuming not not the
actual body, but take the casket, everything inside the casket,
(29:55):
and they're going to rebury it at the University of
Notre Dame. That's the that's what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, I mean, I saw the same thing you saw.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So it's I'm just like, I just wonder why now,
Like I don't know. I mean, it's you know, but hey, listen,
I mean that's that's where it should be. Then that's
where it should be. You know. It's a family decision.
But yeah, I was not expecting to see that as
one of us.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I wasn't either this morning. It almost makes me wonder,
And I don't know that this is a thing or not.
Maybe everyone else can pitch it and help answer this question.
The people still do April Fool's joke at the.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
End of the month.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
There was only like an.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
April one, April two or three type thing.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think bad jokes get
an entire month. I think they just get one day
and then after that it's over. Okay, Lee, you got
any uh, just the first Yeah, it is just it's
just the first.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So you tell a April Fool's joke in the second
or third, you gonna be chastised for it.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Then you're just a bad comedian. Yeah. So all right,
so there, I mean, look is what it it is man? Uh,
you know, go Irish and New Rockney is now going
to be at the university and they'll get that done
and you know, away we go with that. By the way,
I did promise you a little bit of intel on Lee,
(31:13):
I was doing so he told me the I don't
want to name the place because you know, I don't
want to air him out too bad, but he told
me one of the places that he frequents when he's
going to get a couple of throat burners, you know,
whenever he decides to get out and go have a
little bit of fun. And so he I went and
looked up the place because I've never been at this place.
(31:34):
I've never seen it. I don't know anything about it.
And man, what a dump. My god, Oh, how the
hell are you? First of all, have you been to
this place during the daytime every Wednesday?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
God, that's depressed Wednesday deliveries. Yeah, it's super dark in there.
Keep the door shut. I mean I could smell the
place through the computer looking up pictures. Yeah, it's like
it looks like one of those dingy like you ever
get depressed when like if you're in Las Vegas, like
you open up the curtains and you see the strip
(32:08):
during the daytime and it's like all the lights are
gone and it's just a desert with a bunch of
buildings and it's filled with sin and drugs and gambling
and hookers and you know all the other good stuff
that Vegas provided. I'm just saying, but like you open
(32:30):
up the curtains and you look at all that during
the daytime and you go, God, I'm depressed. I looked
at this place. There were some daytime shots of the place.
Leaf frequents during the day. What a miserable spot to
be lee. Well, it definitely is not open during the day,
thank goodness, does not see the light of day.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
It's one of those thin, you know, narrow bars, which
always is more depressing than I feel. And you don't
know because you got to get close to the bar.
You don't want to tote back and forth.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I mean, but you're still going.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
You know, I hated the bar for a long time,
even when Todd worked there, but it grew on me.
I became a regular. I know all the regulars obviously. Yeah,
and it's a it's a little home away from home.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So there's a little uh yeah, a little digging into
where leaf frequents as we live vicariously through the here
at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So that being said, we transitioned smoothly over to the
NFL Draft, and somebody had a little bit of a
red ass over the weekend. And that's somebody was Colts
general manager Chris Ballard, who was defending the selection of
Texas wide receiver a Donnie Mitchell, who fell to the
second round. The Colts snabbed him, and then Chris Ballard
(33:49):
was asked about, you know some of the reports that
maybe Donnie Mitchell was difficult to assess in the interview
process and maybe did an interview well with certain teams.
And here is the Colt GM response.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I mean I read some of the that was set
on tea.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
I mean, just a typical e choose my language, our
typical league, unnamed sources.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
You know, bad interview.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
That's such. I mean, it is.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
It's like put your name, like, put your name on it.
We tear these young men down. These are twenty one,
twenty two young men. And if you can, if people
out there can tell me they're perfect in.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Their lives, it's crap.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
It's crap.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
This is a good kid, and you know, for those
reports to come out, like you know, I said it
last year.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
It's it's bud.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I apologize for the language. I don't but I do.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I don't know, but I do.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Finally, he's got a little Chip Games to him, Chip
Games with his hair grown out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
can see that going on.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I do tend to relate to the frustration of in
this process the person who ultimately takes the bigg beating
as the player.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
And it's odd, man, it really is.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
When you transition from the college season to the NFL season,
it becomes so negative. It's so negative the entire process.
It's all about what these players can do anymore, what
their flaws are, what the weaknesses are. And some people
might say, that's that's fun. It's a profession now, you know,
that's what you're doing. You're trying to project these guys.
You got to know the good and bad. I understand that.
(35:26):
But what a lot of people on the outside don't
understand is that what makes it to the actual media
comes from agents, competing agents with other players, trying to
prop up, boost up their player versus another. That's where
all this information goes and gets out from. You talk
to coaches, you talk to players, people. You know, they're
not telling you anything they're doing. They're just not they're
(35:49):
not not until maybe if you're an insider, you're you know,
talking night before the draft, you know, a couple of
days before the draft, something like that. But all this
negative stuff you hear, it usually comes from agents. It
usually comes from people who I heard this or I'm
hearing this like, there's not a ton of validity to it.
(36:10):
I mean in regards to Adie Mitchell and what was
supposedly said. You know, I don't know if it was
character concerns or however they described it, but he's diabetic.
Maybe there's some issues with managing that sometimes, but you know,
it's just it always gets overblown and sensationalized, and usually
because someone has a prerogative, they're trying to prop.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Up their receiver versus this receiver.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So it's look for the Colts, it's awesome pick because
now they get Adie Mitchell, they got Michael Pittman, and
that's a hell of a one to two punch for
Anthony Richardson, who obviously didn't play much his rookie year,
but he gets that now in year two and Shane
Stikeen's offense, that's huge and it gives an opportunity for
Adie Mitchell to not necessarily have to go in right
(36:56):
away to be the guy where he wasn't really that
At Texas, you know, Xavier Worth, they had more targets,
more production, Adie Mitchell had more touchdowns, a little bit,
bigger body, easier to hide point him and isolate him
in the red zone. But he doesn't have to go
into Indianapolis and be that guy. He gets to develop
into that. You know, if you're a keyon Coleman. On
the other hand, who in Buffalo is going to go
(37:18):
in and be the guy that's a much heavier burden
to carry it away. You know, he's he's going to
have to be able to, you know, beat the best cornerback,
beat double coverage in the NFL and his rookie season
if even warrants that. So I hate that part of
the process. That's the truth behind how all this stuff
goes on. But at least it'll be a good pick
(37:40):
up for the Colts, and I think Ady mitchellill fit
in well there.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
It's also the idea that because I was trying to
find look, was there an off field issue? Did he
you know, was there like I can understand, like last year,
you know, Jalen Carter went through that. But listen, I
mean people lost their lives. There was some stuff he
was being questioned on, like I could understand. We got
to find out more about the guy. But the more
I looked into this, it was like, well, you know,
(38:04):
he didn't interview well, like you know, the interview process
was rough, and it's like, all right, well, let's just
say that's what it is. I mean, I don't know
about you, but I've had bad job interviews before. Like
I remember one specifically, I talked to a radio station
and completely bombed, Like I don't know, it was just
it was it was a bad interview. I just I
performed poorly that day. But it's like there's no grace period,
(38:28):
there's no there's no sort of all right, well listen,
you know, give it another shot. We can understand it. Instead,
it's just all right, that's our one time we got
to talk to him, and we're gonna let that be
our lasting impression. All right. So what about off the
field stuff, Well, there's none of that. It's just you know,
he didn't interview well, well, maybe he doesn't interview well
or talk well in front of people, like not everybody's
got a great personality and comes across great. It just
(38:49):
feels like, to your point, you're trying to find something
wrong so that you can just eliminate guys as opposed
to focusing on all the great things they do, and
he could be a great player with all the skill
set and talent in the world. He could be a
really good dude with no priors or anything like that.
But what's wrong with him? Like, let's let's find something
wrong so we can eliminate it from the process and
(39:11):
just make it easier on ourselves, because, yeah, you don't
know if you like somebody, but you definitely know if
you don't like him, And that's what it feels like
goes on here and seeing Chris Ballard get fired up
about it. I will say this, if you're Chris Ballad
and you go that hard in the paint for a
guy you drafted, all right, you better hope that you're right,
you know, because some people are going to going to
remember that and say, all right, this is the guy
you defended and he's an a hole if that's what
(39:32):
it turns out to be. But hopefully it works out
well for him and he's, you know, in to get
a pretty good spot there in Indianapolis. But it's good
to see Chris Ballard with the Chip Gains look defending his.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Guy, little red ass too to him.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You know, it's nice.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I do appreciate a good red ass.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
By the way, I didn't really. He's a big dude. Yeah,
Like he like he looks like he could throw it
around a little bit, like gets in the weight room
and you know kind of lets it. You know, what
are we thinking like two plates minimum just for warm up?
You know, probably going you know two twenty about come
on bench the only one that Matt.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah, probably probably warming up a little two twenty five
and then going on from there.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So I mean the combines in Indy and you know,
Jim Mersey used to like to work out with Ryan Grigson,
so maybe that was like the prerequisite if you wanted
to be the GM of the Colts. You gotta be
throwing iron around. Yeah, move that bar and ben And
you just pretended that, Yeah, you know, that's that's my
philosophy at that bar and bend And you just pretended,
you know, that's how we do it in Dublin. And
(40:32):
if you if you think differently, you can kiss our ass.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I promise you this. It's it's a Monday morning, April
twenty ninth. The boys there at Dublin Coffin High School,
they're alreadyetting after it. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, coach Stokes.
He's got them rolling, he's got them going.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Now what are they do? They get any sort of
protein drink afterwards? Is it that high level like you're
in college.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Or the way just drink the water?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Water is just full of a ribbi and that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Water there in Dublin, I'm not sure. I'm not sure
we're u where you're from. When it's like a thousand oaks,
you know.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I mean, the mean streets probably makes you soft. What
are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Like?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
People, when people think Dublin coff and I they go,
what is Dublin?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Lee's water source seems to be Evan Williams or some
sort of Jack Daniels. Now, hold on, Lee's like that
guy I heard the story about that his stomach just
naturally and takes uh takes carbohydrates turns into alcohol.
Speaker 8 (41:30):
Yeah. My water source is soda, water for my ranch water,
my tequila and soda water orgin or gin and soda.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
If you had to pick one drink of choicely, what
would it be?
Speaker 8 (41:41):
Gin and soda?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I mean, not not water, not like like coffee, and yeah,
you have.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
One drink to drink the rest of your life.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
I don't know, G and T is pretty high up there?
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Is that usually how you start off tonight?
Speaker 8 (42:02):
Are you saying? And I have to choose between water
and alcohol?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
By the way, G and T and ajit and soda
to me are very different tasting.
Speaker 8 (42:11):
They you can be yesterday and they are. It's mostly well,
you're getting mostly the tonic. You're getting mostly the sweet
if you're doing a G and T. But that's why
I like the soda water because you can actually taste
what you're drinking, whether it's tequila, gin or whatever.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Do you have a top gin like Mount rushmore of
gin like Bombay?
Speaker 8 (42:32):
I'm not a Bombay guy. It's a little too sweet
for me. Tanga Ray is up there. Beefeeders is good,
but it's not I wouldn't say it's high up there. Hendricks,
is you know a favorite one?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
But not mine?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
What's the part on Kingpin where Bill Murray's sitting at
the bar and she goes neither tang Ray and tab Yeah,
keep them coming, sweets. I got a long drive ahead
of me. That movie is so good. There's so many
good lines of that movie.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
I mean, mostly by Bill Murray. Suppose they're all ad
libbed that's that's the word.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
But oh Man, two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, so listen. That was a
just a well rounded segment. We started with New Rockney's
grave being moved and ended up with Lee's drink of choice.
So that's how it's done here. If you want to
just hand over that Marconi Award now, we'll take it
and we'll link you later for it.
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