May 3, 2024 • 40 mins
Doug riffs on the Clippers and what happened to them in game 5 against the Mavericks. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on Doug's Caitlin Clark tweet. Doug chooses among deserving candidates for who is most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives out his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in the
bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What do Godlieb's show and the bonus Fox Sports Radio?
iHeartRadio app welcome in every stinking year, right And when
I say every stinking year talk about the Clippers, but
it's not just the Clippers. Doesn't it feel like every
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stinking year Kawhi Leonards hurt? Doesn't it feel like every
stinking year James Harden's up and down in the playoffs.
Doesn't feel like every year in the playoffs? Russell Westbrook
melts down? Doesn't it feel like every year?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It does, doesn't it? I mean, the Clippers are a
rare combination there. And I listen, I've been on this
earth for over forty years. I've been in Los Angeles
for over forty years. So the Clipper curse now is
not what the Clipper curse used to be. Clipper curse
used to be. Whoever they draft would get hurt and
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would not live up to the lofty expectations, you know,
Danny Manning, Danny Ferry, Michael Olocande. Heck, even Blake Griffin
hurt miss his whole rookie year like that was the
Clipper curse. Randy Woods. They drafted Randy fucking Woods, bo
Kimball like they di didn't work. That was the old
Clipper curse. The new Clipper curses. They don't achieve anything
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in the playoffs and they're always hurt. Right, Chris Paul
was always hurt, like Griffin got hurt. And now Kawhi
Leonard has been hurt in this incarnation of the Clippers.
But what a rare combination of this shit happens all
the time. And while and we'll get into it in
the pod, we got into the radio show. While I
actually disagree with Charles Barkley about the idea of firing
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coaches because you know, firing in Darvin Ham, firing a
Frank Vogel, I disagree with on the Darvin Ham aspect
of it. I do think, like, what's crazy is you have?
I think Tyler's a great coach, and even tylu can't
save this team. You know why because every freaking year,
every year Russell Westbrook playoff meltdown, James Harden just disappears. Right,
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Kawhi Leonard, I get it. When he's been healthy, he's
been a two time Finals MVP and it's not his fault.
His body keeps letting him down. But his body keeps
letting him down, and of course the Clippers as a
whole every freaking year. And look, as we said in
the radio show, maybe we should just pay attention to
how awesome Luca is and ask ourselves the question if
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Luca played for Iowa, if Luca played one year for
Iowa instead of playing for Real Madrid, how would we
look at Luca now?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
He's that rare combination of unbelievable player who's slow and
white and an unbelievable and regardless, doesn't play it ton
of defense, really theatrical in his performance. But it's just
amazing that we can't sit here and go I think,
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guys in the NBA, I mean when Michael Jordan made
him is basically brand ambassador his guy, right, you're like, man,
that's a huge buy in. People in the NBA think
Luca is the best player, Luca and Joker the two
best players, but we as fans, for whatever reason, won't
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buy in. Maybe last night is a change in that.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, let's get to what the Fox says and now,
so I've had a couple of these moments in my career,
and I'll get to Uh, I'll get to it in
a second. I want to play for you something that
Dan Patrick said about one of my tweets, which has
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clearly gone viral. But if you remember, okay, Andrew Luck's
retirement was to date, Okay, it was to date the
most viral tweet I had ever had, and it was
a sarcastic tweet. I'll never forget where I was. I
was watching football on a Sunday and Andrew Luck summarily
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retired during I believe the third of the tweet came
out during the third quarter of the final preseason game,
and I tweeted out, you know, Andrew Luck retiring because
rehab was too hard is the most millennial thing ever, right,
And that one went viral. It got six million impressions.
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This tweet that Dan Patrick's about to talk about was
two days ago. It has gotten a eleven million impressions.
Eleven million impressions. Now, I'll counter some of the things
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that Dan says, but here's a discussion on his show, Would.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
You've change Reggie Miller's shot? If I'm gonna, you know,
go with Doug's logic here, Yes, Reggie had a weird
follow through. I just want to know where are you
when you release the ball? There are a lot of
people who look good shooting. Where are you when you
release the ball? And Caitlin starts on the left? Would
you change Kevin Durant shot? He starts on the left
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and brings it over to the right. All right, So
you know Doug's trolling people and wants people to respond
to it, and you know people then get personal with Doug.
You know what Doug is saying is all right? Now,
First of all, would you fix it in the off season?
Are you trying to tell me after she's twenty two
years of age and now she's going to change her
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Why would I want her to change your shot unless
you said she's not going to be able to get
her shot off in the pros in the WNBA. If
that were the case and she needed to release it quicker, okay,
I would at least understand where the tweet's coming from.
But by all accounts, she hits shots from a variety
of places, variety of angles with people all over her,
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and offenses are defenses that were geared to stop you.
I'm okay with that, Like I'm okay with the shot
and now trying to change it. That would be hard
pressed to do, and frankly, it'd be silly. But I
get it if you look at it and you go, man,
that's not good for him. It's not how it starts,
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but how it finishes. That's when it's pure.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Okay, So a couple things here. First, Dan actually made
my point at the end while acting like I was
trolling to begin with. Okay, here's the reality to that tweet.
If you read the tweet in its entirety, which he did,
with the exception of the fact that he left out
that I tagged Mike Procorpio, who used to be one
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of Kobe's workout guys, Kobe's personal video coordinator, right, And
what it is is I'm asking a fucking expert what
he would do in the off season. And so what
happens is, well, you couldn't shoot.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
First of all, you know, you know I never do
I never defend myself. I never do one. This tweet
was not about me. Everybody else or many other people
have tried to make it about me.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Let's let's first get to the reality of Caitlin Clark
and her being twenty two years old. That shit doesn't
matter how old she is, Okay, And we kind of
got into this in the radio show as well, which.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Is when you're in the.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Off seat after your first your first off season, after
playing professional basketball, and I think after playing professional football,
that's when you take an assessment of your game and
how it has to translate to the next level. You
do it in college, you do it in high school,
you do it in the pros. And I know this
because I was told this people who work with the Lakers,
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and I understand that you're gonna sit there and go, well,
Lonzo ball shot was broken. Lonzo ball shot looked exactly
the same as Caitlyn Clarks. It started here and ended
up with with what looked like a form, a good form.
And yes, he thumbed it as well as she thumbs it. Okay,
thumbing it means you use your left thumb because traditionally
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perfect form is only right hand off your right shoulder, Okay,
outside of your right eye, finishing with your index and
middle fingers, and you're like, what do you know about shooting?
I've forgotten more about shooting because I've worked with everybody.
That was my fucking problem was it was neck up
and I work with a million people. And as my
college coach told me, I was a Heines fifty seven guy.
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Ain't got nothing to do with your form, no shit. Okay, Now,
she is not the perfect shooter. She shoots a high
volume of difficult threes, and that's probably a percentage of
why she only shot thirty seven and a half percent
this year. But thirty seven and a half percent is
not elite. And when you factor in that, she's even
playing against better competition, better scouting, and look, she comes
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in as the most famous women's basketball player on Earth.
She's probably crept into the top ten most famous basketball
players men or women, and maybe even more. May I
may even be under selling that. And when you do that,
you got competitive people women there. Do you think they're
gonna be like, oh, like, let's let we're in all off,
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Caitlin Clark Like, No, They're gonna try and stop her.
And the best way to stop her is to force
her into situations where she's gonna be less efficient, right,
And so what do you do? You make her shoot
off the dribble going to her right, going to her right,
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because it's hard to go to there to there to
shoot it there.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's difficult.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
First thing is it's a legit question, because we got
in this again in the radio show. Was you know,
I'm really close friends with Matt Holliday and Jackson, who
granted younger, he's only twenty years old. He got called
up to the bigs, and as everybody knows, he struggled mightily.
I thought he was figuring it out. Matt thought he
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was figuring it out.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The last game he played, I was actually there at
Anaheim Stadium and he had a hard hit single. He
had another ball off Matt Moore, a lefty, granted not
a great lefty, but a lefty that was a rope
that Matt Moore deflected with his glove.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So was an out. And they did strike out twice.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And I I didn't think he got a great ump,
but in terms of comfort and but he has when
he gets a little late, he has a technical flaw
that can come up. And you know, when you're facing
the best pitching in the world, they're going to expose it.
And so he and I had this discussion of this
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week do you go like? And my big thing was like,
is his swing sound? Does it have technical flaws? And
Matt's like, no, Like, then fucking change it. Just eliminate
that flaw. And I think what most people who are
negative react to is where I said, would you fit
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the word fix, because fix, to them means something is broken.
I've seen people say as I've seen people say, tweak,
however you want to word it, but the fact is
that thirty seven thirty eight is not great. And I
actually think that this flaw has become more pronounced recently
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because in college she has to shoot deeper threes because
they're picking her up much further out and she's such
a focal point that she's taking logo threes, and so
in order to get that power, it gets over here
and then she kind of slings it and ends up
the release point is good. Like Dan actually knows what
he's talking about. He's a very good shooter, right, he played.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Some in college.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So the first thing is Dan did curiously leave out
the fact that I tagged a guy who is who
his job would be in any offseason to work with
an NBA player on cleaning up their form, cleaning up
their flaws, and making them better players. It is not
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Michael kid Gilchrist. It is not that bad, not about
at all. It's just going to I would think limit you.
Now the Reggie Miller thing again, this is where and
this is where I asked the question. It's much more
important that you repeat the same shot over and over
and over again than then you.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Have a perfect shot.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Okay, so Reggie, you know he was shooting with two hands,
but it was the same every time. But Reggie also
didn't shoot the ball on the left side of his head.
And if you just do the motion of left to right,
left to right, left to right, you understand that the
spin on the ball, the dynamic, the trajectory of the
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ball is going to be different than the true how
it's taught form trajectory of hand underneath ball, waiter right
into duck bill. That's how it's taught. Waiter in the
duck bill and the perfect backspin rotation you see from
m clay Thompson or a Steph Curry. It's a reasonable discussion,
and there are some people. My own brother is like, dude,
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made two hundred of them, three hundred of them, Like,
that's the last thing you're talking about. On the other hand,
my point is that I'll be interested when you get
to the w NBA against better competition. If the numbers
st are still in the mid thirties, what then, right,
What then? And my guess would be that, like anybody,
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you take assessment in the in the first off season,
and I don't think she's gonna go play overseas because
she's gonna make plenty of money stateside. You take, you
take a good assessment of what you're doing, and you go,
what can I do better? Well, let's get that ball
over a little bit and slowly but surely you move
it underneath the the the elbow, underneath the Here's where
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I'll defend myself.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I couldn't shoot in college. I've I've learned to accept it.
It's a really hard thing, right for people to, no
matter what you you say or what you do, take
shots at you for your performance. And here's the two
things that I know to be a fact. And if
you actually have any idea about sports, you go like, yeah,
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that's that's that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Two things.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
One, if I was that bad of a shooter in
high school, I would not have been offered scholarships by UCLA, Michigan, State, Yukon, Florida, Virginia,
and of course that.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
You ultimately chose Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And though I shot the ball poorly my first year
at Notre Dame, I worked out for all these coaches
and then I was recruited by the same level of
teams the second time around. And so here's the point
that I know to be true. Okay, One, my team
was better with me on the floor than off the floor. Two,
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what's all important is guys I played with and played
against respected me. And three, I must have been one
hell of a player, because in order to survive and
have your chance team on some level succeed despite the
fact that they're playing four on five in terms of
shooting and scoring, you gotta be really fucking good at
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the rest of the stuff you do makes sense, right,
Like if you if you can't shoot, and the numbers
will tell you can shoot, you can't shoot, not a
good shooter, and you play thirty minutes a game on
a team that makes three NCAA tournaments, and you play
enough to where you lead the country and assists when
you're second another year, top ten all the time, when
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you finish. If all those things happen, all the other
shit you gotta do, it's like, uh, it's like if
you lose a sense, right, if you lose your sense
of smell, well, if you lose your sense of hearing,
like all your other senses. You know, blind people they
can hear better, their touch, their tactile feeling is more
my making sense here. If you lose a sense, all
the other senses are heightened. It's the same thing in sports.
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All those other senses you have have to be heightened.
So I get that you're trolling me about my career.
I've made peace with it. It doesn't feel good to watch
myself on tape because I had basic anxiety about shooting
the basketball. But I get it. I understand it. You
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didn't accomplish, you didn't play. You don't know shit, right.
It's like, oh, there's somebody who tweeted, Oh, Caitlin Clerk
scored three thousand more points than whatever. Great, She's awesome. Okay,
I don't know how many points to score in college.
I don't know, and I don't care. I know I
had nine hundred and forty seven assists. That's nine hundred
and forty seven more assists than you had. And if
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I had one point in college, that's one more point
than you had. And if I played one hundred and
twenty games in college, the one hundred and twenty more
games than you have. So if my word as somebody
who has studied the game my entire life, the dad's
a coach, brother's a coach, coaches kids, coaches adults, And
oh yeah, by the way, I'm actually a pretty good
shooting coach. And you know why I'm pretty good shooting
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coach because I don't do what I felt like was
done to me as a shooting coach. Shooting coaches, I'm
not super technical. That's why I ask people who are
technical about the different things they do.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You know, there's a kid named Keon Williams uh kean Q.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
What up?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
He just committed to Abilene Christian. He played at Oklahoma
State this year struggled shooting the basketball and in the
non conference in the preseason, I was at Oklahoma State
and I was watching him shoot, and he works his
ass off. But it's not just that he thumbs the ball.
It's that the thumb is not the same every time.
If you're gonna thumb it, you got a thumb. It
the same every time. If you cause shoot wed no thumb,
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she would know thumb every time. And it takes an
entire offseason of work, and then you have to see
some success in the season.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
And again.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
My thing is got to repeat the same thing over
and over and over and over again. So when I
work with my own son, who's a lefty who can
really shoot, and we've we've tried to get him away
from the two hand thing because he was little and
they you know, everybody shoots threes. And he even said, like, man,
I wish I didn't play with a three point line
when I was like in fourth or fifth grade. Well,
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kids always want to play with the big basketball. The
little basketball is better for shooting a pure shot when
you're little. But the point is, I'm here for all
the bullets. I don't give a fuck. Don't give a fuck.
Didn't do it for attention, don't care. Point is that
I have that ability to piss you off when I
make a really good and interesting point. Her shot is
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essentially the same as Lonzo balls. It took them a
while and the reason they couldn't fix it early on
with the Lakers was he was hurt the first two
offseasons before they got rid of him. And eventually he
came around and fixed it when he was in New Orleans.
And he's become a very good three point shooter. And
Lonzo made forty two percent of his threes his freshman
year at UCLA, which is a higher percentage than Caitlin
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Clark has ever made. I didn't say Lebotolin's the ball
became a great player in the end NBA. Obviously his
knees fucked up like that happens. I just I think
it's one fascinating that people like then you get the
or your man's splaining. Hey, here's the thing, feminist feminazis
out there. Okay, we don't give a shit about you.
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When you tweet that, when you think that, when you
say that, you affirm in all of our brains that
you don't really want to be treated like any other athlete.
And if you actually read the fucking tweet, it's not
actually critical of her. It's uh, what do we say?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
The amount of the amount of work it takes to
be consistent through her mechanical flaw is really impressive. Where
is the criticism there? Okay?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And by the way, there's a kid named Keaton Page.
You ever heard that name? Keaton Page played at Oklaham State.
He is five foot eight five foot nine. He's an
assistant coach at at Oaklham State, and he and I
have lots of discussions about shooting. He is a great shooter,
Like he could wake up out of bed right now
and probably make eighty out of one hundred threes. Not kidding.
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He's fucking unbelievable. He's known as the Pawnee Pistol. Matter
of fact, I believe the story goes that Rodney Clark,
who's one of his best friends. I think it is
his best friend who moved back and Rodney played at
Arkansas and at Butler. They were both being recruited by
Oklahoma State. And when Shawn Sutton was an assistant coach,
they had a shot one hundred threes and Keaton made
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ninety one on a unofficial visit and they offered him
a scholarship. He's an unbelievable shooter. And we talk about
working through consistency even though you have a shot flaw.
That's where it comes from. So here's my message to feminists,
here's my message to people who want to attack me personally.
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Here's my message to people like even Dan who think
it's about garnering her garnering attention. This is an actual
sports discussion, actual sports discussion. Do you change something, or
fix something, or tweak something that is good but could
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be great, or you could fuck it up altogether by
trying to by trying to fix it. And if you
can't have that discussion without making it about me personally,
about feminism, about women's sports, by defending Caitlin Clark, whatever
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it's about, if it's not about the actual question, then
you sound like a fucking idiot to me. Here's Paul
Pierce talking about the Clippers.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
This team is so moody. It's almost like a it's
almost like a front runner's mentality. When things are going well,
they go well. When things go bad, obviously from when
you look at the last game, they go up thirty,
things going great and then things go bad, all in
the same game. I just don't know, just mentality wise,
who this team is. It's like, you know, I don't
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understand the highs and lows from James Carden. It's like
they've probably they've taken on his personality, you know what
I'm saying, Like, here he goes, they've taken on like
he goes for the thirty three and you're like, all right,
this is he's gonna turn the corner. He's gonna turn
the corner this year. And then when I look up,
he just has seven points. It's just such a discrepancy
from his highs to his lows. It's like there's no
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in between. And we see this year in the year
out and I can't put my finger on I don't
know if it's a mental thing. I thought they would
play better not having Kawhi out there, because they look like,
all right, maybe the chemistry is better without Kawhi. Now,
going this game six, do you say, do we need
Kawhi back? We should we rest them house the knee?
So many questions are gonna you need to be answered.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It was a mess last night. And I'm not gonna
blame Russell Westbrook solely, but the Westbrook has been so
bad in this series. Nine assists, ten turnovers, he's shooting
twenty five percent from the field. From the field, he's
just really struggling. And then the problem with James harden Is,
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he's never been particularly good in the playoffs, and now
he is thirty eight. And what happens when you're thirty
eight is you just aren't the same guy every night.
You have the same guy every night, so you go
to the well. That's why the inconsistency. You have inconsistency
when you're young, you have inconsistency when you're old, and
at your peak of your career, you have relative consistency.
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I just if they don't have Kawhi, I don't think
they have a chance. And maybe the story honestly should
be we're paying attention to the Clippers, And how about
we just mentioned that Luka Doncik probably the best player
in the sport. Here's Lebar Arrington talking about Dean Sanders
and the criticism he's getting first paven know of a
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former Colorado player.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
When it all shakes out, it's just entertainment. It's all entertainment.
It is a show. And it's interesting to me that
people try to create these falsified type of standards and
what it's supposed to look like and the integrity of
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it and how it's supposed to be done and why
it's supposed to be done. What Dion Sanders is doing
as a coach and he did it as a player,
is he's showing you that he doesn't care about what
you believe the social norm should be, because ultimately, when
he's in front of the camera, whenever he's in the
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public eye, he knows it's a show. That's why his
nickname is called prime Time. So you can't have a
strong stance on saying that what Dion is doing is
in care and that isn't up to the standard of
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what a coach is and this, that and the other.
You don't get to define what that is. Whoever these
people are thats reporting it or saying that's beneath him
or that's not what a coach. A coach is held
to a higher standard, different standard, Okay, there's nothing saying
that Deon Sanders isn't holding himself to a higher standard
as a coach.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I disagreed completely with LaVar Irington. I understand that when
you feel like you're being defamed and I have I
have that as well. I mean, again, I'm not Deon Sanders,
He's Dean Sanders just sort of where the greatest cover
corner in the history of.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
The sport right.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Does anybody want to dispute that. I don't think so
anybody who lived through it. He was crazy good, and
I do think that. I think Carrade' is gonna better
this year. The schedule is a little tougher, tougher early on,
but I don't think the Big twelve is as difficult
as the Pac twelve last year, and I think year
two they'll have some things figured out. That said, all
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the braggadociousness does open you up for criticism. Well, we
know that the problem is he doesn't need to punch
down and deal with a former player this way, like,
what is the win? The kid went to Austin p
and obvious quite obviously probably can't play what what's the win?
In any mistake that I've ever had, I fall back
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on something that a guy who hired me at Espanna Things,
Dan Steer told me one time when I was critical
of a coach and he just said, hey, what was
the win? In that comment, I was like, well, no, no,
what was the win? And I didn't have a good
answer for him. I truly didn't, So, Uh, what's what's
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the win?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Dean?
Speaker 6 (27:50):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
That's what the fox said?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Say be sure to catch live editions of The Doug
Leave Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Hey, Doug. When you told me about about that tweet
and what response it's been getting, my first reaction is like,
what makes a tweet viral? Why is it getting so
much attention? I wonder, like in the in the pie,
like how much of it is criticism? How much of
it is people green? So I looked at the mentions
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and the quote tweets, and it seems like the nature
of the criticism is you were a horrible shooter. You
can't have an opinion, and it goes in general. It
really it's a big pep peeve of mine when people
attack people who are paid to be critical or scrutinize
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their profession, i e. Movie critics or Charles Barkley, and
they say, well, you never won a championship, so how
could you have an opinion? You never made a film,
so how could you have an opinion? Oftentimes the people
that have failed to do something are often the best
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to teach it or talk about it. That old refrain
those who who failed, or those who couldn't teach, whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
The those who can't teach or those who can't coach.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
When you are very familiar with something, whether you've failed
or succeeded at it, you can be the best critic
of it. It's like when Lance Armstrong came out and
said that women shouldn't be able to play men's sports.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I interrupt you really quickly. Do you want to know
something really interesting? Do you know what I'm not good
at teaching?
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Shooting?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
No, I can't teach anybody how to pass ah. No,
And I mean this, and like, look again, I've I
have come to grips with what I believe are the
failures of my career. And you're like, because if I
look at it, if I if I zoom out, if
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I zoom out, like I am a I'm five to
eleven and three quarters. I'm a Jewish kid from Orange,
California who didn't have a hoop in his driveway. I
had to go down the street to Garrett Phipps's house
to shoot. And my dad was got fired in eighty
four as an assistant lombie State. He was a former
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college coach who became an AU coach as a high
school coach, college coach, whatever. But I, by anyone's account,
from that moment of starting to play basketball, I made it.
I accomplished things that right. But when I say failures,
I believe, like anybody, I had more in me than
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I was able to show. So it's really hard. But
I know this without a reasonable doubt. There are like
ten dudes who have ever played basketball who could do
what I do and create shots for other people and
see the court.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I also know, and I can't teach that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I can teach some of the subtle things, but I
can't say, hey, like, my son can pass, but he
doesn't pass like me. And you know, it's like one
of the things that's really really like, well, your son's
a shooter, not as much a pass like. I can't
teach him how to pass. You just have to play.
And I actually think that playing when you're little, as
he's little, makes you into a better passer, because there's
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just things you can't do scoring wise, whatever, but strength wise,
it's been hard for him. The point is that you're
exactly right. The thing I did the best I can't
teach the thing I did the worst. I'm actually really
good at teaching because I was taught by a lot
of people, and I know how to simplify it in
my mind. And here's the other part that really annoys
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me and then becomes almost funny to me and then
weird to me. Does anybody think I don't know about basketball?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Right?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
You can question and I love the people question what
you know about football because you play basketball?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Somehow?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
If you know about you say something about football when
you play.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Here's the other one. You can't talk about football because
you play basketball. Okay, but what about people didn't play anything?
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
If you think I know about basketball, then why don't
you think you know about basketball?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Anyway? Go ahead, I'm sorry you're talking about the ratio.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
I'm just saying that generally speaking. I'll give you two examples.
Daniel Jeremiah guest on our show today, why we consider
like the top of it his game when it comes
to talent evaluation and how he articulates that evaluation. He's
never built a team. I think maybe he's been like
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a scout at some point somewhere. You know who has
built a team. Mike Tannembaum He's notorious for getting shit wrong.
He's a meme on Twitter for saying shit that just
isn't right. Again, those who haven't done something or come
up short of doing something often know about that much
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better than the people who have succeeded. Magic Johnson is
an awful NBA analyst. Analyst those who have come up
short JJ Reddick, I guess you would say is a
much better analysis analysts in general. It's a major pet
peeve of mine to go after somebody who hasn't accomplished
something and say you don't have the right to have
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an opinion because you didn't accomplish it. Great. Steven A.
Smith said this about Mike Trout.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
Mike Trout is a sensational player when he's healthy, one
of the greatest. He really really is, And I'm a huge,
huge fan, but I've grown disgusted with his lack of availability.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
It makes me question.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
I know he looks the part, what the hell are
you doing to take care of yourself?
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Always injured?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
I mean, damn, it's baseball.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I mean, what were you talking about here, Dave.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
It's not football, not Boxing's not the UFC. You're not
running up and down the court ninety four feet basketball
for eighty two ninety year. It's baseball half the time.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Y'all out standing on the outfield, you know, the chwo of.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Them pumpkin seeds or something waiting for flyball to come
your way.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
How the hell is he always heard?
Speaker 6 (34:47):
So I could take him seriously and say that he's
he's just completely wrong that baseball players do one thing
for one hundred and sixty two days of the year,
and they do something athletic every single day. Something's gonna
wear down or something's gonna get into He was obviously joking.
Maybe sounds like he had a little bit of uh
seriousness there. I will say this when what's his name,
(35:11):
the guy who has got that podcast used to be
on ESPN LeBatard When Lebttard said, you're the reason for
all the hot talkers, all the hot takers, and it's
your fault U Stephen A. Smith said that I am
separate from everybody else because I'm a journalist. I want
someone to comb through what we just heard and tell
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me what journalism had to do with that.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I'll defend Steven aodly in this in this part. Okay,
what he's saying is what a lot of people think, right,
The problem is, I mean, honestly, like my biggest issue
with Mike Trout, for example, is how no one seems
to want to know how to cover him, right. And
(35:56):
here's We've had people like, well, you know, Mike Trout,
it's the a Jewels, that's why, you know, or Baseball
doesn't know how to promote him. Like now, baseball, it's
just really hard to promote one dude. Just is tell
me a guy, I mean Aaron Judge because he set
a record. But even that, it's like, we don't follow
baseball on a daily basis. The reason Mike Trout is
(36:17):
an unbelievable player is he's actually a great all around athlete. Right,
He's a really good basketball player. He's big, he's like
six ' two six y three, and yeah, but what
he's saying is the classic baseball players are you know,
fat white dudes that stand around and shoot tobacco and
hit bombs. Right, that's baseball. And it's the everybody looks
(36:41):
like Kent Herbeck. And that just tells me you haven't.
And I know he's being partially sarcastic, and there is
no journalistic integrity in it, and that's kind of the show.
But he's that actually feels like what they're trying to
get to on those shows, which is barbershop. That's barbershop conversation, correct,
minus journal journalism there correct. So uh, steven A, who
(37:04):
was like an honorary member of What About Magic? I
like you had Magic's apology that was the best.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
This is the best.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
The quick quick Magic thing is that he came out
a couple of days ago with a series of tweets
that was just critical of the Lakers, and it was
actually pretty good because he never really gets critical. But
then he made a mistake in one tweet by saying
that if they didn't do all the load management, they
wouldn't have been in a position to be in a
play in spot. So I guess he got a bunch
(37:30):
of shit for that. And I think you said it's wrong.
World management wasn't the problem this year, So he says,
Laker Nation, I apologize. It was injuries, not load management.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Anthony Davis, Lebron, James Uh, Austin Reeves, and De'angelo Russell.
That's their four best players, correct, They all played seven
or more games where the injuries. Yeah, to Jared Vanderbilt.
That what we're talking about.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I think he's talking about the Gay Vincent bench. Guys.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That's thot by Gay Vincent, who probably could have been
the start day some people think could have been the
starting point guard. Fair fair, But again, Gabe Vincent wasn't
changing that series. Gab Vincent wasn't changing the inevitable. Who's
the most annoying? I actually think Magic's is the most annoying. Like, dude,
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it's okay to have a critical tweet of the Lakers,
like you said, somebody take over his Twitter handle and
then to completely puss out when you're Magic Johnson, Like Magic,
you can be critical. No one's gonna dislike you. You're
Magic fucking Johnson. You're the greatest point guard in the
history of the sport. You're the greatest Laker ever.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Backing down from a reasonable opinion.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
Annoy.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Why are we doing this.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Because we can?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
What do you get there? Because we can't?
Speaker 6 (39:05):
I bet you didn't know that there's a man named
Carlos Mendoza who's the manager of the Mets. I bet
you didn't know that until I just said that I didn't.
So he got in.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
He got into it with a day year today years old.
If you would have said Carlos Mendoza, I would be like,
is that the guy who they did the Mendoza line
about in baseball?
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Huh? Maybe he's related. So last night the Mets got jobbed.
I don't know if you saw it, but their slugger
did a head first slide and the home the catcher
looks like he was blocking a little bit. I thought
he was safe anyways. Anyway, so the manager comes out
Carlos Mendoza, and he's arguing with the with the mPire,
and it sounds like the umpire left the microphone on
(39:45):
that he talked to the crowd to After.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Review two calls on the field blocking, it's confirmed that
there is no blossom.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
After on the field stands runners.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Out, So the Cups win the game.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Oh man, God, who's up killed?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Carlos Mendoza wants to talk to Chad fairch.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
You can understand why made the plate, but you're.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Gonna talk to me.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
I'm not in replay.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I'm telling you what they want me. You cannot stand
a whole play without the baseball. I'm not arguing with you, Carlos,
but I'm saying I don't see that, man, that's bullshit.
Take that off with the office.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
That's so good. It's so good. Carlos Mendoza just earned
he just special place in my heart. Why can we
play it for you? That's bullshit, man, because we can't.
That's it for the The Motus Podcast. Check out the
radio show every day twelve to two three Pacific Coast time,
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Fox Sports Tridio
All, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in the
bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What do Godlieb's show and the bonus Fox Sports Radio?
iHeartRadio app welcome in every stinking year, right And when
I say every stinking year talk about the Clippers, but
it's not just the Clippers. Doesn't it feel like every
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stinking year Kawhi Leonards hurt? Doesn't it feel like every
stinking year James Harden's up and down in the playoffs.
Doesn't feel like every year in the playoffs? Russell Westbrook
melts down? Doesn't it feel like every year?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It does, doesn't it? I mean, the Clippers are a
rare combination there. And I listen, I've been on this
earth for over forty years. I've been in Los Angeles
for over forty years. So the Clipper curse now is
not what the Clipper curse used to be. Clipper curse
used to be. Whoever they draft would get hurt and
(01:04):
would not live up to the lofty expectations, you know,
Danny Manning, Danny Ferry, Michael Olocande. Heck, even Blake Griffin
hurt miss his whole rookie year like that was the
Clipper curse. Randy Woods. They drafted Randy fucking Woods, bo
Kimball like they di didn't work. That was the old
Clipper curse. The new Clipper curses. They don't achieve anything
(01:26):
in the playoffs and they're always hurt. Right, Chris Paul
was always hurt, like Griffin got hurt. And now Kawhi
Leonard has been hurt in this incarnation of the Clippers.
But what a rare combination of this shit happens all
the time. And while and we'll get into it in
the pod, we got into the radio show. While I
actually disagree with Charles Barkley about the idea of firing
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coaches because you know, firing in Darvin Ham, firing a
Frank Vogel, I disagree with on the Darvin Ham aspect
of it. I do think, like, what's crazy is you have?
I think Tyler's a great coach, and even tylu can't
save this team. You know why because every freaking year,
every year Russell Westbrook playoff meltdown, James Harden just disappears. Right,
(02:14):
Kawhi Leonard, I get it. When he's been healthy, he's
been a two time Finals MVP and it's not his fault.
His body keeps letting him down. But his body keeps
letting him down, and of course the Clippers as a
whole every freaking year. And look, as we said in
the radio show, maybe we should just pay attention to
how awesome Luca is and ask ourselves the question if
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Luca played for Iowa, if Luca played one year for
Iowa instead of playing for Real Madrid, how would we
look at Luca now?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
He's that rare combination of unbelievable player who's slow and
white and an unbelievable and regardless, doesn't play it ton
of defense, really theatrical in his performance. But it's just
amazing that we can't sit here and go I think,
(03:08):
guys in the NBA, I mean when Michael Jordan made
him is basically brand ambassador his guy, right, you're like, man,
that's a huge buy in. People in the NBA think
Luca is the best player, Luca and Joker the two
best players, but we as fans, for whatever reason, won't
(03:29):
buy in. Maybe last night is a change in that.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, let's get to what the Fox says and now,
so I've had a couple of these moments in my career,
and I'll get to Uh, I'll get to it in
a second. I want to play for you something that
Dan Patrick said about one of my tweets, which has
(04:06):
clearly gone viral. But if you remember, okay, Andrew Luck's
retirement was to date, Okay, it was to date the
most viral tweet I had ever had, and it was
a sarcastic tweet. I'll never forget where I was. I
was watching football on a Sunday and Andrew Luck summarily
(04:30):
retired during I believe the third of the tweet came
out during the third quarter of the final preseason game,
and I tweeted out, you know, Andrew Luck retiring because
rehab was too hard is the most millennial thing ever, right,
And that one went viral. It got six million impressions.
(04:51):
This tweet that Dan Patrick's about to talk about was
two days ago. It has gotten a eleven million impressions.
Eleven million impressions. Now, I'll counter some of the things
(05:12):
that Dan says, but here's a discussion on his show, Would.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
You've change Reggie Miller's shot? If I'm gonna, you know,
go with Doug's logic here, Yes, Reggie had a weird
follow through. I just want to know where are you
when you release the ball? There are a lot of
people who look good shooting. Where are you when you
release the ball? And Caitlin starts on the left? Would
you change Kevin Durant shot? He starts on the left
(05:38):
and brings it over to the right. All right, So
you know Doug's trolling people and wants people to respond
to it, and you know people then get personal with Doug.
You know what Doug is saying is all right? Now,
First of all, would you fix it in the off season?
Are you trying to tell me after she's twenty two
years of age and now she's going to change her
(06:00):
Why would I want her to change your shot unless
you said she's not going to be able to get
her shot off in the pros in the WNBA. If
that were the case and she needed to release it quicker, okay,
I would at least understand where the tweet's coming from.
But by all accounts, she hits shots from a variety
of places, variety of angles with people all over her,
(06:23):
and offenses are defenses that were geared to stop you.
I'm okay with that, Like I'm okay with the shot
and now trying to change it. That would be hard
pressed to do, and frankly, it'd be silly. But I
get it if you look at it and you go, man,
that's not good for him. It's not how it starts,
(06:44):
but how it finishes. That's when it's pure.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Okay, So a couple things here. First, Dan actually made
my point at the end while acting like I was
trolling to begin with. Okay, here's the reality to that tweet.
If you read the tweet in its entirety, which he did,
with the exception of the fact that he left out
that I tagged Mike Procorpio, who used to be one
(07:11):
of Kobe's workout guys, Kobe's personal video coordinator, right, And
what it is is I'm asking a fucking expert what
he would do in the off season. And so what
happens is, well, you couldn't shoot.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
First of all, you know, you know I never do
I never defend myself. I never do one. This tweet
was not about me. Everybody else or many other people
have tried to make it about me.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Let's let's first get to the reality of Caitlin Clark
and her being twenty two years old. That shit doesn't
matter how old she is, Okay, And we kind of
got into this in the radio show as well, which.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Is when you're in the.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Off seat after your first your first off season, after
playing professional basketball, and I think after playing professional football,
that's when you take an assessment of your game and
how it has to translate to the next level. You
do it in college, you do it in high school,
you do it in the pros. And I know this
because I was told this people who work with the Lakers,
(08:22):
and I understand that you're gonna sit there and go, well,
Lonzo ball shot was broken. Lonzo ball shot looked exactly
the same as Caitlyn Clarks. It started here and ended
up with with what looked like a form, a good form.
And yes, he thumbed it as well as she thumbs it. Okay,
thumbing it means you use your left thumb because traditionally
(08:43):
perfect form is only right hand off your right shoulder, Okay,
outside of your right eye, finishing with your index and
middle fingers, and you're like, what do you know about shooting?
I've forgotten more about shooting because I've worked with everybody.
That was my fucking problem was it was neck up
and I work with a million people. And as my
college coach told me, I was a Heines fifty seven guy.
(09:04):
Ain't got nothing to do with your form, no shit. Okay, Now,
she is not the perfect shooter. She shoots a high
volume of difficult threes, and that's probably a percentage of
why she only shot thirty seven and a half percent
this year. But thirty seven and a half percent is
not elite. And when you factor in that, she's even
playing against better competition, better scouting, and look, she comes
(09:31):
in as the most famous women's basketball player on Earth.
She's probably crept into the top ten most famous basketball
players men or women, and maybe even more. May I
may even be under selling that. And when you do that,
you got competitive people women there. Do you think they're
gonna be like, oh, like, let's let we're in all off,
(09:51):
Caitlin Clark Like, No, They're gonna try and stop her.
And the best way to stop her is to force
her into situations where she's gonna be less efficient, right,
And so what do you do? You make her shoot
off the dribble going to her right, going to her right,
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because it's hard to go to there to there to
shoot it there.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's difficult.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
First thing is it's a legit question, because we got
in this again in the radio show. Was you know,
I'm really close friends with Matt Holliday and Jackson, who
granted younger, he's only twenty years old. He got called
up to the bigs, and as everybody knows, he struggled mightily.
I thought he was figuring it out. Matt thought he
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was figuring it out.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The last game he played, I was actually there at
Anaheim Stadium and he had a hard hit single. He
had another ball off Matt Moore, a lefty, granted not
a great lefty, but a lefty that was a rope
that Matt Moore deflected with his glove.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So was an out. And they did strike out twice.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And I I didn't think he got a great ump,
but in terms of comfort and but he has when
he gets a little late, he has a technical flaw
that can come up. And you know, when you're facing
the best pitching in the world, they're going to expose it.
And so he and I had this discussion of this
(11:19):
week do you go like? And my big thing was like,
is his swing sound? Does it have technical flaws? And
Matt's like, no, Like, then fucking change it. Just eliminate
that flaw. And I think what most people who are
negative react to is where I said, would you fit
(11:41):
the word fix, because fix, to them means something is broken.
I've seen people say as I've seen people say, tweak,
however you want to word it, but the fact is
that thirty seven thirty eight is not great. And I
actually think that this flaw has become more pronounced recently
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because in college she has to shoot deeper threes because
they're picking her up much further out and she's such
a focal point that she's taking logo threes, and so
in order to get that power, it gets over here
and then she kind of slings it and ends up
the release point is good. Like Dan actually knows what
he's talking about. He's a very good shooter, right, he played.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Some in college.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So the first thing is Dan did curiously leave out
the fact that I tagged a guy who is who
his job would be in any offseason to work with
an NBA player on cleaning up their form, cleaning up
their flaws, and making them better players. It is not
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Michael kid Gilchrist. It is not that bad, not about
at all. It's just going to I would think limit you.
Now the Reggie Miller thing again, this is where and
this is where I asked the question. It's much more
important that you repeat the same shot over and over
and over again than then you.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Have a perfect shot.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Okay, so Reggie, you know he was shooting with two hands,
but it was the same every time. But Reggie also
didn't shoot the ball on the left side of his head.
And if you just do the motion of left to right,
left to right, left to right, you understand that the
spin on the ball, the dynamic, the trajectory of the
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ball is going to be different than the true how
it's taught form trajectory of hand underneath ball, waiter right
into duck bill. That's how it's taught. Waiter in the
duck bill and the perfect backspin rotation you see from
m clay Thompson or a Steph Curry. It's a reasonable discussion,
and there are some people. My own brother is like, dude,
(14:00):
made two hundred of them, three hundred of them, Like,
that's the last thing you're talking about. On the other hand,
my point is that I'll be interested when you get
to the w NBA against better competition. If the numbers
st are still in the mid thirties, what then, right,
What then? And my guess would be that, like anybody,
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you take assessment in the in the first off season,
and I don't think she's gonna go play overseas because
she's gonna make plenty of money stateside. You take, you
take a good assessment of what you're doing, and you go,
what can I do better? Well, let's get that ball
over a little bit and slowly but surely you move
it underneath the the the elbow, underneath the Here's where
(14:47):
I'll defend myself.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I couldn't shoot in college. I've I've learned to accept it.
It's a really hard thing, right for people to, no
matter what you you say or what you do, take
shots at you for your performance. And here's the two
things that I know to be a fact. And if
you actually have any idea about sports, you go like, yeah,
(15:12):
that's that's that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Two things.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
One, if I was that bad of a shooter in
high school, I would not have been offered scholarships by UCLA, Michigan, State, Yukon, Florida, Virginia,
and of course that.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
You ultimately chose Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And though I shot the ball poorly my first year
at Notre Dame, I worked out for all these coaches
and then I was recruited by the same level of
teams the second time around. And so here's the point
that I know to be true. Okay, One, my team
was better with me on the floor than off the floor. Two,
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what's all important is guys I played with and played
against respected me. And three, I must have been one
hell of a player, because in order to survive and
have your chance team on some level succeed despite the
fact that they're playing four on five in terms of
shooting and scoring, you gotta be really fucking good at
(16:14):
the rest of the stuff you do makes sense, right,
Like if you if you can't shoot, and the numbers
will tell you can shoot, you can't shoot, not a
good shooter, and you play thirty minutes a game on
a team that makes three NCAA tournaments, and you play
enough to where you lead the country and assists when
you're second another year, top ten all the time, when
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you finish. If all those things happen, all the other
shit you gotta do, it's like, uh, it's like if
you lose a sense, right, if you lose your sense
of smell, well, if you lose your sense of hearing,
like all your other senses. You know, blind people they
can hear better, their touch, their tactile feeling is more
my making sense here. If you lose a sense, all
the other senses are heightened. It's the same thing in sports.
(16:59):
All those other senses you have have to be heightened.
So I get that you're trolling me about my career.
I've made peace with it. It doesn't feel good to watch
myself on tape because I had basic anxiety about shooting
the basketball. But I get it. I understand it. You
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didn't accomplish, you didn't play. You don't know shit, right.
It's like, oh, there's somebody who tweeted, Oh, Caitlin Clerk
scored three thousand more points than whatever. Great, She's awesome. Okay,
I don't know how many points to score in college.
I don't know, and I don't care. I know I
had nine hundred and forty seven assists. That's nine hundred
and forty seven more assists than you had. And if
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I had one point in college, that's one more point
than you had. And if I played one hundred and
twenty games in college, the one hundred and twenty more
games than you have. So if my word as somebody
who has studied the game my entire life, the dad's
a coach, brother's a coach, coaches kids, coaches adults, And
oh yeah, by the way, I'm actually a pretty good
shooting coach. And you know why I'm pretty good shooting
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coach because I don't do what I felt like was
done to me as a shooting coach. Shooting coaches, I'm
not super technical. That's why I ask people who are
technical about the different things they do.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You know, there's a kid named Keon Williams uh kean Q.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
What up?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
He just committed to Abilene Christian. He played at Oklahoma
State this year struggled shooting the basketball and in the
non conference in the preseason, I was at Oklahoma State
and I was watching him shoot, and he works his
ass off. But it's not just that he thumbs the ball.
It's that the thumb is not the same every time.
If you're gonna thumb it, you got a thumb. It
the same every time. If you cause shoot wed no thumb,
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she would know thumb every time. And it takes an
entire offseason of work, and then you have to see
some success in the season.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
And again.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
My thing is got to repeat the same thing over
and over and over and over again. So when I
work with my own son, who's a lefty who can
really shoot, and we've we've tried to get him away
from the two hand thing because he was little and
they you know, everybody shoots threes. And he even said, like, man,
I wish I didn't play with a three point line
when I was like in fourth or fifth grade. Well,
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kids always want to play with the big basketball. The
little basketball is better for shooting a pure shot when
you're little. But the point is, I'm here for all
the bullets. I don't give a fuck. Don't give a fuck.
Didn't do it for attention, don't care. Point is that
I have that ability to piss you off when I
make a really good and interesting point. Her shot is
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essentially the same as Lonzo balls. It took them a
while and the reason they couldn't fix it early on
with the Lakers was he was hurt the first two
offseasons before they got rid of him. And eventually he
came around and fixed it when he was in New Orleans.
And he's become a very good three point shooter. And
Lonzo made forty two percent of his threes his freshman
year at UCLA, which is a higher percentage than Caitlin
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Clark has ever made. I didn't say Lebotolin's the ball
became a great player in the end NBA. Obviously his
knees fucked up like that happens. I just I think
it's one fascinating that people like then you get the
or your man's splaining. Hey, here's the thing, feminist feminazis
out there. Okay, we don't give a shit about you.
(20:16):
When you tweet that, when you think that, when you
say that, you affirm in all of our brains that
you don't really want to be treated like any other athlete.
And if you actually read the fucking tweet, it's not
actually critical of her. It's uh, what do we say?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
The amount of the amount of work it takes to
be consistent through her mechanical flaw is really impressive. Where
is the criticism there? Okay?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And by the way, there's a kid named Keaton Page.
You ever heard that name? Keaton Page played at Oklaham State.
He is five foot eight five foot nine. He's an
assistant coach at at Oaklham State, and he and I
have lots of discussions about shooting. He is a great shooter,
Like he could wake up out of bed right now
and probably make eighty out of one hundred threes. Not kidding.
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He's fucking unbelievable. He's known as the Pawnee Pistol. Matter
of fact, I believe the story goes that Rodney Clark,
who's one of his best friends. I think it is
his best friend who moved back and Rodney played at
Arkansas and at Butler. They were both being recruited by
Oklahoma State. And when Shawn Sutton was an assistant coach,
they had a shot one hundred threes and Keaton made
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ninety one on a unofficial visit and they offered him
a scholarship. He's an unbelievable shooter. And we talk about
working through consistency even though you have a shot flaw.
That's where it comes from. So here's my message to feminists,
here's my message to people who want to attack me personally.
(21:51):
Here's my message to people like even Dan who think
it's about garnering her garnering attention. This is an actual
sports discussion, actual sports discussion. Do you change something, or
fix something, or tweak something that is good but could
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be great, or you could fuck it up altogether by
trying to by trying to fix it. And if you
can't have that discussion without making it about me personally,
about feminism, about women's sports, by defending Caitlin Clark, whatever
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it's about, if it's not about the actual question, then
you sound like a fucking idiot to me. Here's Paul
Pierce talking about the Clippers.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
This team is so moody. It's almost like a it's
almost like a front runner's mentality. When things are going well,
they go well. When things go bad, obviously from when
you look at the last game, they go up thirty,
things going great and then things go bad, all in
the same game. I just don't know, just mentality wise,
who this team is. It's like, you know, I don't
(23:10):
understand the highs and lows from James Carden. It's like
they've probably they've taken on his personality, you know what
I'm saying, Like, here he goes, they've taken on like
he goes for the thirty three and you're like, all right,
this is he's gonna turn the corner. He's gonna turn
the corner this year. And then when I look up,
he just has seven points. It's just such a discrepancy
from his highs to his lows. It's like there's no
(23:32):
in between. And we see this year in the year
out and I can't put my finger on I don't
know if it's a mental thing. I thought they would
play better not having Kawhi out there, because they look like,
all right, maybe the chemistry is better without Kawhi. Now,
going this game six, do you say, do we need
Kawhi back? We should we rest them house the knee?
So many questions are gonna you need to be answered.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It was a mess last night. And I'm not gonna
blame Russell Westbrook solely, but the Westbrook has been so
bad in this series. Nine assists, ten turnovers, he's shooting
twenty five percent from the field. From the field, he's
just really struggling. And then the problem with James harden Is,
(24:16):
he's never been particularly good in the playoffs, and now
he is thirty eight. And what happens when you're thirty
eight is you just aren't the same guy every night.
You have the same guy every night, so you go
to the well. That's why the inconsistency. You have inconsistency
when you're young, you have inconsistency when you're old, and
at your peak of your career, you have relative consistency.
(24:39):
I just if they don't have Kawhi, I don't think
they have a chance. And maybe the story honestly should
be we're paying attention to the Clippers, And how about
we just mentioned that Luka Doncik probably the best player
in the sport. Here's Lebar Arrington talking about Dean Sanders
and the criticism he's getting first paven know of a
(25:00):
former Colorado player.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
When it all shakes out, it's just entertainment. It's all entertainment.
It is a show. And it's interesting to me that
people try to create these falsified type of standards and
what it's supposed to look like and the integrity of
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it and how it's supposed to be done and why
it's supposed to be done. What Dion Sanders is doing
as a coach and he did it as a player,
is he's showing you that he doesn't care about what
you believe the social norm should be, because ultimately, when
he's in front of the camera, whenever he's in the
(25:41):
public eye, he knows it's a show. That's why his
nickname is called prime Time. So you can't have a
strong stance on saying that what Dion is doing is
in care and that isn't up to the standard of
(26:02):
what a coach is and this, that and the other.
You don't get to define what that is. Whoever these
people are thats reporting it or saying that's beneath him
or that's not what a coach. A coach is held
to a higher standard, different standard, Okay, there's nothing saying
that Deon Sanders isn't holding himself to a higher standard
as a coach.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I disagreed completely with LaVar Irington. I understand that when
you feel like you're being defamed and I have I
have that as well. I mean, again, I'm not Deon Sanders,
He's Dean Sanders just sort of where the greatest cover
corner in the history of.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
The sport right.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Does anybody want to dispute that. I don't think so
anybody who lived through it. He was crazy good, and
I do think that. I think Carrade' is gonna better
this year. The schedule is a little tougher, tougher early on,
but I don't think the Big twelve is as difficult
as the Pac twelve last year, and I think year
two they'll have some things figured out. That said, all
(27:05):
the braggadociousness does open you up for criticism. Well, we
know that the problem is he doesn't need to punch
down and deal with a former player this way, like,
what is the win? The kid went to Austin p
and obvious quite obviously probably can't play what what's the win?
In any mistake that I've ever had, I fall back
(27:27):
on something that a guy who hired me at Espanna Things,
Dan Steer told me one time when I was critical
of a coach and he just said, hey, what was
the win? In that comment, I was like, well, no, no,
what was the win? And I didn't have a good
answer for him. I truly didn't, So, Uh, what's what's
(27:48):
the win?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Dean?
Speaker 6 (27:50):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
That's what the fox said?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
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Speaker 4 (28:08):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Hey, Doug. When you told me about about that tweet
and what response it's been getting, my first reaction is like,
what makes a tweet viral? Why is it getting so
much attention? I wonder, like in the in the pie,
like how much of it is criticism? How much of
it is people green? So I looked at the mentions
(28:42):
and the quote tweets, and it seems like the nature
of the criticism is you were a horrible shooter. You
can't have an opinion, and it goes in general. It
really it's a big pep peeve of mine when people
attack people who are paid to be critical or scrutinize
(29:05):
their profession, i e. Movie critics or Charles Barkley, and
they say, well, you never won a championship, so how
could you have an opinion? You never made a film,
so how could you have an opinion? Oftentimes the people
that have failed to do something are often the best
(29:26):
to teach it or talk about it. That old refrain
those who who failed, or those who couldn't teach, whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
The those who can't teach or those who can't coach.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
When you are very familiar with something, whether you've failed
or succeeded at it, you can be the best critic
of it. It's like when Lance Armstrong came out and
said that women shouldn't be able to play men's sports.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I interrupt you really quickly. Do you want to know
something really interesting? Do you know what I'm not good
at teaching?
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Shooting?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
No, I can't teach anybody how to pass ah. No,
And I mean this, and like, look again, I've I
have come to grips with what I believe are the
failures of my career. And you're like, because if I
look at it, if I if I zoom out, if
(30:25):
I zoom out, like I am a I'm five to
eleven and three quarters. I'm a Jewish kid from Orange,
California who didn't have a hoop in his driveway. I
had to go down the street to Garrett Phipps's house
to shoot. And my dad was got fired in eighty
four as an assistant lombie State. He was a former
(30:46):
college coach who became an AU coach as a high
school coach, college coach, whatever. But I, by anyone's account,
from that moment of starting to play basketball, I made it.
I accomplished things that right. But when I say failures,
I believe, like anybody, I had more in me than
(31:07):
I was able to show. So it's really hard. But
I know this without a reasonable doubt. There are like
ten dudes who have ever played basketball who could do
what I do and create shots for other people and
see the court.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I also know, and I can't teach that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I can teach some of the subtle things, but I
can't say, hey, like, my son can pass, but he
doesn't pass like me. And you know, it's like one
of the things that's really really like, well, your son's
a shooter, not as much a pass like. I can't
teach him how to pass. You just have to play.
And I actually think that playing when you're little, as
he's little, makes you into a better passer, because there's
(31:51):
just things you can't do scoring wise, whatever, but strength wise,
it's been hard for him. The point is that you're
exactly right. The thing I did the best I can't
teach the thing I did the worst. I'm actually really
good at teaching because I was taught by a lot
of people, and I know how to simplify it in
my mind. And here's the other part that really annoys
(32:12):
me and then becomes almost funny to me and then
weird to me. Does anybody think I don't know about basketball?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Right?
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
You can question and I love the people question what
you know about football because you play basketball?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Somehow?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
If you know about you say something about football when
you play.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Here's the other one. You can't talk about football because
you play basketball. Okay, but what about people didn't play anything?
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
If you think I know about basketball, then why don't
you think you know about basketball?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Anyway? Go ahead, I'm sorry you're talking about the ratio.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
I'm just saying that generally speaking. I'll give you two examples.
Daniel Jeremiah guest on our show today, why we consider
like the top of it his game when it comes
to talent evaluation and how he articulates that evaluation. He's
never built a team. I think maybe he's been like
(33:10):
a scout at some point somewhere. You know who has
built a team. Mike Tannembaum He's notorious for getting shit wrong.
He's a meme on Twitter for saying shit that just
isn't right. Again, those who haven't done something or come
up short of doing something often know about that much
(33:32):
better than the people who have succeeded. Magic Johnson is
an awful NBA analyst. Analyst those who have come up
short JJ Reddick, I guess you would say is a
much better analysis analysts in general. It's a major pet
peeve of mine to go after somebody who hasn't accomplished
something and say you don't have the right to have
(33:54):
an opinion because you didn't accomplish it. Great. Steven A.
Smith said this about Mike Trout.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
Mike Trout is a sensational player when he's healthy, one
of the greatest. He really really is, And I'm a huge,
huge fan, but I've grown disgusted with his lack of availability.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
It makes me question.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
I know he looks the part, what the hell are
you doing to take care of yourself?
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Always injured?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
I mean, damn, it's baseball.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I mean, what were you talking about here, Dave.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
It's not football, not Boxing's not the UFC. You're not
running up and down the court ninety four feet basketball
for eighty two ninety year. It's baseball half the time.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Y'all out standing on the outfield, you know, the chwo of.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Them pumpkin seeds or something waiting for flyball to come
your way.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
How the hell is he always heard?
Speaker 6 (34:47):
So I could take him seriously and say that he's
he's just completely wrong that baseball players do one thing
for one hundred and sixty two days of the year,
and they do something athletic every single day. Something's gonna
wear down or something's gonna get into He was obviously joking.
Maybe sounds like he had a little bit of uh
seriousness there. I will say this when what's his name,
(35:11):
the guy who has got that podcast used to be
on ESPN LeBatard When Lebttard said, you're the reason for
all the hot talkers, all the hot takers, and it's
your fault U Stephen A. Smith said that I am
separate from everybody else because I'm a journalist. I want
someone to comb through what we just heard and tell
(35:32):
me what journalism had to do with that.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I'll defend Steven aodly in this in this part. Okay,
what he's saying is what a lot of people think, right,
The problem is, I mean, honestly, like my biggest issue
with Mike Trout, for example, is how no one seems
to want to know how to cover him, right. And
(35:56):
here's We've had people like, well, you know, Mike Trout,
it's the a Jewels, that's why, you know, or Baseball
doesn't know how to promote him. Like now, baseball, it's
just really hard to promote one dude. Just is tell
me a guy, I mean Aaron Judge because he set
a record. But even that, it's like, we don't follow
baseball on a daily basis. The reason Mike Trout is
(36:17):
an unbelievable player is he's actually a great all around athlete. Right,
He's a really good basketball player. He's big, he's like
six ' two six y three, and yeah, but what
he's saying is the classic baseball players are you know,
fat white dudes that stand around and shoot tobacco and
hit bombs. Right, that's baseball. And it's the everybody looks
(36:41):
like Kent Herbeck. And that just tells me you haven't.
And I know he's being partially sarcastic, and there is
no journalistic integrity in it, and that's kind of the show.
But he's that actually feels like what they're trying to
get to on those shows, which is barbershop. That's barbershop conversation, correct,
minus journal journalism there correct. So uh, steven A, who
(37:04):
was like an honorary member of What About Magic? I
like you had Magic's apology that was the best.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
This is the best.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
The quick quick Magic thing is that he came out
a couple of days ago with a series of tweets
that was just critical of the Lakers, and it was
actually pretty good because he never really gets critical. But
then he made a mistake in one tweet by saying
that if they didn't do all the load management, they
wouldn't have been in a position to be in a
play in spot. So I guess he got a bunch
(37:30):
of shit for that. And I think you said it's wrong.
World management wasn't the problem this year, So he says,
Laker Nation, I apologize. It was injuries, not load management.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Anthony Davis, Lebron, James Uh, Austin Reeves, and De'angelo Russell.
That's their four best players, correct, They all played seven
or more games where the injuries. Yeah, to Jared Vanderbilt.
That what we're talking about.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I think he's talking about the Gay Vincent bench. Guys.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That's thot by Gay Vincent, who probably could have been
the start day some people think could have been the
starting point guard. Fair fair, But again, Gabe Vincent wasn't
changing that series. Gab Vincent wasn't changing the inevitable. Who's
the most annoying? I actually think Magic's is the most annoying. Like, dude,
(38:25):
it's okay to have a critical tweet of the Lakers,
like you said, somebody take over his Twitter handle and
then to completely puss out when you're Magic Johnson, Like Magic,
you can be critical. No one's gonna dislike you. You're
Magic fucking Johnson. You're the greatest point guard in the
history of the sport. You're the greatest Laker ever.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Backing down from a reasonable opinion.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
Annoy.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Why are we doing this.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Because we can?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
What do you get there? Because we can't?
Speaker 6 (39:05):
I bet you didn't know that there's a man named
Carlos Mendoza who's the manager of the Mets. I bet
you didn't know that until I just said that I didn't.
So he got in.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
He got into it with a day year today years old.
If you would have said Carlos Mendoza, I would be like,
is that the guy who they did the Mendoza line
about in baseball?
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Huh? Maybe he's related. So last night the Mets got jobbed.
I don't know if you saw it, but their slugger
did a head first slide and the home the catcher
looks like he was blocking a little bit. I thought
he was safe anyways. Anyway, so the manager comes out
Carlos Mendoza, and he's arguing with the with the mPire,
and it sounds like the umpire left the microphone on
(39:45):
that he talked to the crowd to After.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Review two calls on the field blocking, it's confirmed that
there is no blossom.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
After on the field stands runners.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Out, So the Cups win the game.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Oh man, God, who's up killed?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Carlos Mendoza wants to talk to Chad fairch.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
You can understand why made the plate, but you're.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Gonna talk to me.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
I'm not in replay.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I'm telling you what they want me. You cannot stand
a whole play without the baseball. I'm not arguing with you, Carlos,
but I'm saying I don't see that, man, that's bullshit.
Take that off with the office.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
That's so good. It's so good. Carlos Mendoza just earned
he just special place in my heart. Why can we
play it for you? That's bullshit, man, because we can't.
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