May 2, 2024 • 48 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug breaks down how exactly the Knicks lost a game they had well in hand in the final minute of regulation against the Sixers only to lose game 5.
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of pretty cool stuff. What a night last night in
the association. I should mention stop me if you've heard
this before, but my Trout is hurt. Mike Trout is injured.
You like again a little early in the year for
Mike Trout to be injured. Usually it's right about when
it gets important. Then he gets hurt and I love
Mike Trout. It's just you can kind of set your
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watch to it. Can't you sit in May already? I'm
just trying to trigger Jason Stewart, who's had a tough day.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Right, It's amazing how time flies.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, you know, it's May. It's May. It's it's May.
Last night in the NBA, what could have been a
series clinching win right there in Madison Square Garden as
the Philadelphia seventy six Ers scored seven points in the
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last twenty five seconds of regulation. Tyrese Maxy finished with
forty six and the Sixers came from behind in regulation
to tie it and then came from behind in overtime
to win it. End up getting a one to twelve
one OZHO six win to extend their season. They trail
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by six with twenty eight seconds to go, twenty eight
seconds to go crazy, crazy stuff. But you know, it's
interesting in baseball. In baseball baseball, yes, at the end
of games, when closers blow a big lead, almost always
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it begins with basically two ways. One is an error
or usually you walk the opening batter of the first
batter of an inning. Right closer comes in, comes out
of the pen, they got all the they got all
the music and the flares and the fireworks going. He
comes in and he's staring down, he's throwing gas. It's
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like one hundred and fifteen miles an hour and ball
four take your base, and all of a sudden, everybody's,
everybody's sphincters get tight. And then a series of events,
sometimes an error, things that go bump in the night,
maybe a bad call leads to the comeback, go back
and look and everyone knows a comeback or two in baseball.
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That started that way in basketball, And we talked about
this going back to last week. When teams get wins, hey,
when they pull off wins oftentimes in comeback fashion, oftentimes
or most times, maybe a miss free throw triggers it. Right,
a miss free throw triggers it's it's just fascinating to
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see how how they mirror it. And then the other
issue is do you foul when you're up three points
late in a game? And I don't know by now,
if you're not in the you should foul under usually
under seven seconds you should foil. Then I can't really
help you. Now, the MAXI three wasn't with seven or
less less. I think did it go in with five
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to go, so it was kind of on the boardline.
But Tom Thibodeau was It looked like he was yelling
to foul to Deuce McBride, who obviously did not hear him.
And the rest, as they say, is is history. Here's
Tom Thibodaux trying to explain the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Tough way to lose a ball game. We had a lead,
we got to play tougher with the lead. We filed
in a situation that we didn't want to file in,
and then in the end, Maxi makes a big shot,
so you know we got to do better.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Gotta do better. Maxi made seven of those big shots.
The lead he's talking about was they had that six
point lead out of a timeout, Maxy shot fakes, hits
a three and gets fouled by Mitchell Robinson. Now here's
where I would Tom Thibodeau was right to yell to foul.
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Where he's wrong is when Josh Hart missed the first
free throw, first of two, and Josh Hart had eighteen
nine rebounds four sists. Couldn't have been any better for
shooting the ball, But that first miss free throw. If
you watch the game, it barely hit rim. He was tight,
and for a guy who's won national championship and played
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almost a decade in the NBA, that's really interesting for
him to be that tight in that spot. You close
out the series. If you make both free throws, it's
a four point game. It becomes not impossible, but seemingly
virtually impossible. Just like we said, now, you could point
out that the actual run began on the shot fake
four point play, MAXI makes the three. That would be fair,
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but kind of go through the sequence of events. You
come out of a timeout, you're up six points. The
only way you lose is if they cut the possessions
from three to two. Right, The only way you lose
is if you cut the possessions from three to two,
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because there's just not the time on the clock. If
they score a dead layup five five seconds, you still
they have to have two more possessions and then you're
likely going to get fouled, and you can make it
a three possession game. The only way you lose is
the way in which the Knicks lost the game. You
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cannot not only give up a three point shot, but
you can't foul on a three point shot. So as
much as I'd like to believe or like to say
that it started on Josh Hart's Smiths free throw, it
really started on out of the inbounds play. And here's
the issue with Tibbs and his substitution. You shouldn't have
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a big guy on the floor at that time because
if they want to throw it inside and score an
easy two, you know, and you just put your hands
up and they score and easy two. Okay, the scoring
easy too, But by bringing a big guy in, he's
going to be late on any switch. You run the
risk of fouling a three point shot. And then the
same thing happened when they missed the first free throw.
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When they missed the first free throw, now it becomes
pot potentially a three point game or a two point
game when the Sixers get the ball back right, So
you should have a sub ready to go. If it's
a three point game, sub in whatever guard you want,
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So you switch every screen instead, what did they do?
They had Mitchell Robinson still in the game, and though
he gets closer to the screen, he's playing in the
drop and Tyrese Maxey gets a wide open step in three. Now,
granted you could sit here and tell me all you
want that, Hey, Deuce McBride should have fouled in the backcourt,
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that's fine. He should have fouled and he didn't, okay,
But whether he should foul or shouldn't foul, that shouldn't
affect the fact that if you're up three points, you
want to be able to switch every screen and be
right there with the switch. And yes, you could do
it with Mitchell Robinson. That's fine. You can also be
way up there high, or you could just take your
big guy out switch everything. Again, they lay the ball in,
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you don't tie the game. So here's what it comes
down to. You choked a free throw, you fouled on
a three point shot, you didn't sub in the right personnel,
and then you still had a chance to win the
game with the ball with your best player, and you
don't have a time out to call right to advance
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the basketball game. I think they actually had a timeout
to advance the basketball and try and get one last
quality look. Instead, Jalen burns and gets a shot locked.
And while we'd like to think that it was so
devastating way to lose, should be point out the Knicks
had a lead. I think they're up five or six
in overtime before losing by six in overtime, So it
wasn't like they hung their hats and once they lost
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the game, once the game was tied in regulation went
to overtime, they shut it down for the winner. That's
not what happened. But what a tough way to lose
a basketball game. Huh tough way to lose a game?
Oh yeah, yoe. And it's one of those things where
if you live long enough, it's going to come back
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your way. It just happened with the seventy six ers.
Seventy six ers choked away a game they well should
have won playing at home. Now the Nicks do the
exact same thing. Here's the last part about it, which
is interesting.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
You have.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
A team in the league's biggest market and you have
an MVP in a Joel embid, and I'd be fascinated
to see what the numbers were on the broadcast because
as much as it was a great watch, it was
a really good basketball game, a really good basketball game,
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and the Garden is as electric as any sporting venue
anywhere in the world last night not an exception. So
you have a big name head coach in Tom Thibodeau.
You have everyone knows Jalen Brunson, and you have a
superstar in terms of accomplishments and probably name recognition, and
Joel Embiid. It's not like Philadelphia is a small market.
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But the fact that it's not Lebron, it's not Durant,
it's not Steph. I wonder if people watched what a game?
What a finish to a game, and it brings up
the Okay, now is a sudden the pressure shifts to Philadelphia,
I mean, excuse me, to New York now, Like you
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kind of got a win in Philly. You don't want
this thing to go seven? Do you? You don't want
to be a team we know how we rake over
the coals. Teams that have a three to one lead
and then lose that three to one lead. Don't believe me.
I give you Doc Rivers. Speaking of Doc Rivers, how
about that performance last night? No, I did not see
it coming. Matter of fact, on the ind The Bonus podcast,
I said to everybody, like, if you're gonna like this
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seems like a kind of easy one Buck's an elimination game,
four point dog at home without Yiannis, without Lillard, and
the only time they had won a game in the
series was Lillard having thirty five points in the first
half of Game one. It seemed too easy and what's
the old expression and the time something's too good to
be true? It is so an amazing, an amazing back
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to back doubleheader of games last night in the NBA.
And I love Jay Sew's investment in this thing. You
were emotionally invested in that deal? Hell, yeah, emotionally invested,
Jase two, Yeah, I was, Or were you financially invested?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I didn't bet on the game, but I did see
many tweets out there that showed how many times Maxi
traveled on one of his big threes.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
On the it's on the foul three he shot, faked
and switched pimot feet and stepped under.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It was travel.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Travel.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
It's one of my more I'm using things to watch.
I don't know if I tapped into an algorithm on x,
but there is a site dedicated to exposing all the
traveling in the NBA. And then the guy will go
on to a basketball court and mimic it, and he'll
do like the six steps, and then he'll show the
exact same thing that the NBA player does it's really funny.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I've seen that as well. I've seen that one
as well. Uh boy, we've got a good show for it.
By the way, here's Sixers head coach Nick Nurse talking
about Joel Embiid's performance.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
He can do those things, just not didn't seem like
that was gonna appear tonight, right. He obviously was was
not feeling great. It was a tough game for him,
you know, very difficult. But he here found he found
a way to do that stuff. I mean, he can
move speed, he can block shouts and can strip the ball.
We've we've all seen him do that when he's when
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he's super engaged in trying to get a staff. I
mean it was it was good that he finally came
up and was able to dig down and do that.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I like, that's that's pretty awesome. Actually, I think people
are miss assessing a Mead was a mess in terms
of turning the ball over. You at nine turnovers seven
to nineteen from floor, but he's a plus fourteen. The
team was way better with them on the floor, and
he made some big free throws late. But I love that, Like,
can you play well or play you know, can you
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win when you're not playing well? And that's the case
with Joel Embii. Obviously, Tyrese Maxy carried him offensively. He
was spectacular forty six nine and five. Wow, were you
gonna say they're sam?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Obviously Bobby Portis was a big reason why the Bucks won. Sure,
I can't remember who he did this gesture against, but
he did the two small we nice little basket. But
when you're scoring that much and it's one two pointer,
do you think that the two small celebrations is sort
of ridiculous in that moment? Has it reached dab status?
(14:02):
It's like smacking the floor? I mean the dab is
more like a personal celebration of yourself. You know, you're
like a touch scored, a touchdown my dab?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (14:10):
What is the too small? It's taunting another guy? Okay,
same with you know just slapping the floor. Isn't even
that much of a taunt.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean, well, this is the impetus of slapping the floor. Yeah,
was for Duke and it was their international. That was
their sign for like we gotta let's dig in, let's
get it right up.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
It's like a pump you up thing. But the too
small thing is more of like a personal you know,
if what was it? Wagner got called for pointing at
a guy, Like, why wouldn't they call a foul for
the too small.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's just generally accepted. I guess I don't know how
my body portus is a plus thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
He was great, He was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Pat Bev. Pat Bev was really good last night too. Uh,
Malik Beasley had was it four threes? I mean that
game was and Indiana was up eight at the end
of the first quarter, and I was like, I'm gonna
flip around, see what else is on come back? And
and now a sudden the Bucks had to lead at
the half, and then the third quarter was just an avalanche.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
Yeah, it was a fork in the road. Car went
one decision and one direction.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yes, yes, completely, yes completely.
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Can we can we start with the Lakers? We start
with the Lakers. If you're if you're in charge, Uh,
tell me what you do with this.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Team right now? As constructed. I gotta go get some lens.
I got I need some wings, you know. I like
Vanderbilt and all that with his length, but I can't
rely on me. I mean, the last couple of years
he's been hurt. I gotta get somebody does he can't
shoot and can shoot? I need shooters, you know. I mean,
a d is probably the most games he's played in
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ten thousand years, and so it was just great to
see that. And Lebron is still serviceable. I mean, he's
not the same Lebron. Let's get that straight, you know,
but that's twenty one years in so you have to
kind of like, you know, play with that a little bit, sure,
But at the same time, I do believe that my
team is better served without Lebron because I when you
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watch the Lakers play when he's out, it's a different team.
It's not in day, and I think that has to
be addressed. You know, whether it's a seance, some therapy,
I don't know what it is, but that has to
be addressed. How you guys played one way when he's there,
you play a totally different way when he's not.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
When you say it has to be addressed, how do
you address it? I mean, do you do you trade him?
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I don't know if I'm going to trade him. I
just like I said, maybe I just go to the guy. Hey, okay,
I need you guys to play like this when Lebron
is in the in the lineup, okay, the way you
guys say when he's out, relaxed, confident. You know, stop
deferring so much to him. He is thirty nine years old.
You don't have to defer to him anymore. He's legendary.
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I get it, you got I know a bunch of
the players they grew up watching him, so they are
in awe. But you have to stop doing that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a hard one. It is
clearly a difficult one for so many of these guys
to do because he's he's Lebron James, and but yes,
the ball stops when it gets to Lebron. Okay, let's
let's get to some of those series. Clippers tonight. Kawhi
still out. They've been better with Kawhi out than they
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have Kawhi in. But you know it all some of
it depends upon the Mavericks, not as much the Clippers.
What do you think of the Clippers Maverick series?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, I was surprised by the last game only because
that they held on to win. That was the surprise.
I expected the you know, the Mavericks to come back
from thirty one down, but I thought the Clippers were
going to win. So the shock for me was the
fact that they held on and won. But they're not
going to shoot like that every night. I mean, Harden
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and Paul George and Norman Powell, these guys were just
knocking down shot after shot. He shot was the Paul
George shot in the corner with a man draped all
over him, and that went in once he hit that
the game was over in my opinion, But again, they're
not going to play that well every night, you know,
I thought, Dallas, you know, the problem with them right
now is the fact that number one Luca is a
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low hobbled but you know, it's just the fact that
you know, they haven't played some really good defense. But
it's you know, that game kind of like everything they
did the prior games got basically thrown away with that.
I don't know what you want to call that's showing,
you know, to be down thirty one points at home,
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that's some insane stuff to me, and it took everything
out of them, you know, just fighting to get back
to you know, to being up one, and so to me,
they got to find a balance somewhere within their their
whole style of playing basketball. But I do see this
this series going seven, you know, and the Kawhi thing,
I mean, they should be used to this, but now
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Doug actually should be used to this. Don't expect Kawhi anymore.
The knee is shot, you know, and so he's gonna
have the sub seriously thinking about, you know, maybe possibly
possibility of retiring because you know, it's like he'll miss
not with him.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Really is sad because he's such such a talented player,
but they haven't been able to figure it out and
get it right. He's like that, he's there, Mike Trout,
That's what he is. You know, he's he's there, He's there,
Mike Trout. Let me, uh, let's go to six Ers
Knicks last night. Brunson amazing, Tyrese Maxey even more amazing.
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But there's a litany of in the succession of things
that went wrong for the Knicks, right for the Sixers,
right up six twenty eight seconds to go, and Tyrese
Maxey's shot faked. He did travel under the shot fake,
but he jumps in, gets the foul, and one makes
the free throw, so six to four. Then Josh Hart
misses badly the front end of a two shot foul,
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makes the second one, and it it sounded like if
you listen to the broadcast that Tibbs told. Tibbs told, uh,
the guard Garden the ball to foul, doesn't foul Duce
McBride and then he comes and I mean, it wasn't
a walk in shot, but it was a it was
a rhythm jump shot from the logo that Tyrese Maxey
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knocks down. Where do you, as a guy who's been
in those situations, where do you lay lay the most blame?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, the blame really, I don't even think there's blame
of the fiul by Mitchell Robinson. I don't think they
was blamed to go around. It's just Maxy willed his
team to win. That was it, you know. The four
point play was a catalyst. But again that's the only
blame that I see. Everything else is it is what
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it is. But I'm not following somebody when I'm up.
No one's ever blocked really a three point shot, and
especially with the new rules now, you're not gonna block
it because for you to block the shot, you have
to get in his faith, you know. And so to me,
I don't know why guys are still doing this crap
of lunging out and doing all this stuff. These guys
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are crafty now, and so to me, just let him
if he makes it, he makes it. It's always been
a fifty to fifty proposition, So let him shoot him.
So the blame goes to Mitchell Robinson's following him, But
the one with MAXI pulled no one Max. He's never
shown himself to be that kind of shooter, and so
to me it was like, hey, he took that shot here.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Okay, so let me let me hit you with something.
You tell me you're totally allowed, opie, because you've done
this for so long to disagree. I respect you that much, Okay,
I think who's screwed up? Honestly, it's tips. And let
me tell you why. When you're up six, right, you're
up six twenty eight seconds ago. The only way you lose,
only way you lose is if you give up threes,
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let alone foul on threes.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Most definitely.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay, So why play Mitchell Robinson? Why play a traditional
shot blocking big play switch off? If they get by
and they get to the bucket and they post you
up and score, fine, great, you still have to get
two possessions. We get foul, we go down, and we
knocked in three those. It's at least a two, if
not a three possession game again, and then okay, and
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then when Josh Hart misses the first free throw, you
gotta be willing to sub in for the shooter if
he makes the second, or sub in for Mitchell Robinson again.
Same thing. You had to know they had to have
a three and while Tyrese Maxey doesn't traditionally hit logo threes.
The fact is you hadn't know he's gonna shoot, and
he was up closer in the drop. But that should
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be you should be right there on the ball streen
an easy switch. Make him make it two, make it,
make it too.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So I totally agree. I totally agree what you just said.
And hence when I said Mitchell Robinson's to book, I
mean Mitchell Robinson didn't sub himself in. Yes, No, the
Tims put him in the game, you know. And this
is again, this is all coaching, you know, or telling
the guy, do not foul the three point shooter. If
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he goes by you, fine, we'll live with her two.
I mean that used to be the mentality, you know.
I'm just gonna push out on him, make him go
buy me if I want him to drive. I'm not challenging.
I just want to stand there, just get in that
in that space to where he goes by me. I
want him, please beat me. And that's not what happened.
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He jumped for god knows what.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You could jump just jump straight up in the air,
but or be big making make a shot over the
top of seven foot long, seven fit stand there and
be seven feet It seems so easy from our chair.
It really, it really does.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
But it is easy, Doug. They make it hard.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I get it. I do. I do, in fact get it.
Any cause for concern with the Pacers where the Bucks
came out with completely different energy and blew them out
last night without their two stars.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Oh, I mean not. I mean the Paces they're gonna
win at home. The fear or the Anks is going
to be if they lose six at home. Now we
got a problem, yeah, you know. But at the same time,
I mean I thought, you know, Milwaukee is on life support,
so they had to come out and play that way again.
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Malite Beasley not down shot. Yes, Chris Middleton did a
night shot carry them.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Pap bed was good last night. Was that was the
best he's playing.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I mean he's an annoyance, but he was really a
good annoy Milwaukee again. Is Pat Bealie gonna play like
that the next game? You know, that's another one it'll miss.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
How much of a buyer are you into Oklahoma City?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I would say I'm about I'm seventy. I like them,
I like the youth, I like the flag that they
play with you know, diagnosis coach of the Air. I
think the catalyst, of course is Shay because the fact
that you can't rush him, that's the problem for every
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other team. You're not going to speed up, shake guilts,
and so to me, that's going to be the key
for them. As long as he's in control, the rest
of the teams in control. And so to me, the
Williams is the jail, the two jail and Williams is
I mean teams. That's what I'm saying. Teams pass up
on players and then when they get in the right
situations they look like superstars and it's absurd to me.
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I'm like, wait a minute, somebody else could have had
this guy. But I like them a lot. You know,
I'm not saying they're gonna win the championship, but they're
gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Okay, what about the Wolves. I mean, obviously, you know
they got a guy who who Anthony Everards is something.
How do you think they match up with the Nuggets?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
They match up really well, and they're gonna post the
biggest problem to the then the Nuggets repeating So to me,
whoever comes out of that series is the Western Conference champion.
That's how I'm looking at I'm calling it. Whoever comes
out that series is the West Coast. I don't know
who's gonna goud Anthony Edwards, but they need to figure
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that one out. No question, Joker is gonna have his
handful because the key ball of Minnesota is the fact
that they not only have Rudy gober defensive players, but
they have called Anthony who can match up size wise.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yes, yes, they were. They were absolutely ahead of it
going back to last year when people said why did
you go get Gobert because the league has changed and
that that team has six ' nine six ten seven
foot across the front line. And if you don't match
up with it, you know you're gonna get You're gonna
get your brains beat in by him. And I do
think Minnesota matches up with it. Hope you're the best.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Know what's happened. They're gonna play it. They're gonna play
Jokics on top more. They're gonna pull Rudy Gobert out.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, you play, you pull them out. I mean again,
like my thing is like if you're Jokic, if Jokic
makes five threes, hey tip your cap. He doesn't usually
make he makes one or two and then it's all
the crafty passing or whatever. They beat you a lot
of different ways, but it gives them a chance by
having that size.
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Speaker 1 (29:21):
We had a surprising win by the Bucks. We had
an incredible comeback by the Sixers. So wait, help me
out with this, am I my the Sixers come back
and win. EMBIID has nine turnovers. Doesn't play well. And
Collin's reaction was you need to trade embiid? Is that
is that right? They get the right?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I heard him say that you need to trade Embiid,
But he's been saying that for a while now that
you need to move him because his value is high
and you can get a lot for him now. But
he's broken down a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
He's always broken. He's always broken down, like he's a
you know, I don't understand the Like there's there's three
or four human beings on Earth that are in Joel
Embiid's orbit. Three or four human beings on Earth. So
(30:21):
unless you're going to get such a haul that you
can get a replacement Big Star Wings or whatever. Unless
you're gonna get a replacement Hall, like there's you're not
going to get any sort of turn. And like again
I don't I don't understand that. I know he's been hurt.
I know he gets hurt a lot. He was the
MVP of the league. And any tell me the star
(30:45):
player who's like thirty year older that hasn't gotten hurt.
Oh wait, Paul George broke his leg, Kawhi Leonard, multiple injuries,
Russell Westbrook one of the things is that changed his
career as four knee surgeries. James Harden just got fat
(31:06):
and had bad hamstrings.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Mmm, see here, Lebron's gotten hurt. You know, didn't really
get hurt. This year Anthony Davis has gotten hurt like
you kind of go through it. And the amazing thing
about Lebron is he's like the only guy who up
until like last five years, he was never hurt, never hurt.
But yeah, the let's get rid of a Joel embiid
thing is a weird one that one I didn't see coming.
(31:34):
Don't see coming. It's Wednesday, which is hump day. It's
the middle of our show. We have a one hour
podcast which starts in one hour. You can download that
and the iHeart Radio, iHeart Podcast network, or you just
whevery download podcast type in Doug Gottlieb. Middle of the day,
middle of the week, middle of the show. Let's get
to the midway. He's not getting the middle with you.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's time for middle.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Um, let's get after it here. Okay, so the midway.
We don't usually do these, I don't want to say
generic topics, but the type of topics which you know
some radio shows do on a daily basis where everybody
gets to jime in. Not necessarily uh top of the mind,
(32:33):
top line. But there isn't a huge breaking story today
typical for Wednesdays. So here's what I thought, guys, and
I think it was actually Jason's suggestion.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I just do it.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You suggested specifically your favorite play by play voice of
in the NBA or all.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Time or what NBA current or past, current or past?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Why? Why play by play only?
Speaker 5 (32:59):
I just I wanted to narrow it down because we
have a play by play announcer on our crew today.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's not the that's not.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
The typical day. Isaac Low and Kron has. He's an
acclaimed play by play announcer, and I.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Thought he would have an interesting perspective on this. And
a few people.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Did you know I've done two NFL games that play
a player?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
How many? What what you're doing? You're doing a bunch
of sports, right name?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Does a lot? Do all the sports?
Speaker 9 (33:30):
MLS, soccer, basketball, football, any anything anyone's foolish to pay
me for.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Okay, So I want this is a It's an important
distinction you bring in because so many people who are
what do the kids say mid or sus on on
on X or on other forms of social media. When
you go like, hey, who's your favorite play by play announcer,
they'll put like a color a listen there, or you
(34:00):
say who's your favorite analyst and then put a play
by play guy in there? That's so many right, so
this is just play by play men.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Or with it's open for debate. If you guys are
no analysts, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
No, but you can't rank an analyst with a play
and play by play. It's it's a completely different job,
completely different job. And in radio it's all play by
play like that's it's a play by play person's job.
In TV, it's really is a team and you have
to do your work and be a good teammate. Fair
(34:34):
I loove Yes, Okay, Isaac, you having done it your
favorite NBA guys of all time play by play.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
I'm gonna throw you too. We'll start with chick hern
Take it back to Game four of the nineteen eighty
seven NBA Finals and Magic Johnson's junior sky hook.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The left goes Magic, He's got it.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
He didn't show it that five seconds left, Maggie got
in the metal just what I thought.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I hook shot a twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Gul god two seconds trip.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
The Lakers take the lead on Maggie Johnson's running skyhook.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
And my last contribution, the late great longtime voice of
the Chicago Bulls, Jim Durham. We take you to the
shot Michael Jordan over Craig Elo the deciding game of
the nineteen eighty nine Playoffs in.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
Bounced pass comes into Geordan.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Here's Michael at the foul line.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
I shot on Elok, Guy Dousion, set Day Cleavano, tavlaiers.
Michael Jordan hits it at the foul line on the
one hundred twenty thousand, two hundred and seventy three in
stunning Tennent's here the Colin Fail book.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So there you go.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Chick Hern and Jim Durham both in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
My first gig with ESPN Radio was with Jim Durham.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
This is a oh yeah, hell, it's my show. I
don't care, okay. So here's the story, guys, and I
tell this story often, just not an air. I haven't
told them told much, which is in two thousand and three,
two thousand and two, two thousand and three, I called
games on ESPN, ESPN plus Cowboy Sports Properties did a
(36:16):
radio show in Oklahoma City. As soon as the season
was over, I went and played in France and when
playing in France, I played against Michael pe Truce and
Boris Dial. The year before I played against Darko when
I was in Israel. He was playing at him from
Brosick in Yugoslavia. I throughout these names because I called
the gentleman who hired me at ESPN was a man
named Dan Steer. Dan Sear was known as the Vision.
(36:38):
I called Vision, and I said, hey, Dan, I would
love And I just got back from France because I
played for like a month and a half, two months
filled in, just kind of got out of my system.
Loved it, and I was like, dude, I'd love to
do the NBA draft. He was like, I can't use you.
I have plenty of guys, but maybe radio could use you.
And I was like, but Dan, I know the international guys.
I know the high school guys. I know Lebron. My
(36:58):
dad said AU coach, my brother's a college assistant. I
covered college. He's like, I got it. I can't use it.
Radio maybe could use it. So I get the radio
gig and I go to our meeting and I didn't
know Jim Durham was doing it, and I didn't actually
know a ton about Jim Durham, so Kevin Lockery and
(37:20):
Fred Carter with the other two analysts Bulldog okay, Bulldog
Fred Carter, who of course was the best player in
the worst team in NBA history and was an NBA coach,
and he had the point, the Fred Carter point on TV.
Remember that. And Kevin Lockery, Murph as he's known was
he coached Jordan at the Bulls and he was the
one who came up with the great offensive idea, Let's
(37:41):
give them all Michael Jordan, put everybody on the other
side of the court. That's good coaching anyway. I'll never forget.
Like Jim the very first introduction Good Evening live from
Madison Square Garden, Jim Durham with longtime NBA analysts Kevin Lockery,
Murph how are you? And UH was with a bulldog
(38:01):
UH and Fred Carter and we actually had ash the
point sound effect and a newcomer Doug Gotlick and I
was just there to be like the darko guy and
the international guy. But they had just got done doing
the NBA Finals, so they didn't know any of the guys.
And once you got past Carmelo, I became el Kipper
Junior and That's how I got my start. And then
(38:25):
you know, Bruce Gilbert used to be our boss, used
to be a boss here at Fox Sports. Now he
runs Westwood One. And he called me and he's like, hey,
can you talk any other sport? I said, yes, three
of them. I worked in Oklahoma City football spring football recruiting,
and I got an audition at DSPN Radio and the
rest is history. So there you go, Jim. But anyway,
I called my dad the first after the first night
(38:45):
that we watch all the videos on all the guys.
It's the Merriott Marquis and I was like, Dad, He's like,
who are you working with? And I said, Fred Carter
starts to giving me there, and I was like, Jim Durham.
He's like, you're working with Jim Durham. He's like, do
everything that man tells you to do. Rest in peace,
Jim Durham.
Speaker 11 (38:59):
All right, give me yours Chasey's shirt the Midway. All right,
I've got two as well. And I'm going to expound
a little bit on chick Hern. I often say that
chick Hern and Vince Scully were the soundtrack of my childhood.
I went to sleep with their voices during their season,
and chick Hern isn't really only a Laker thing. I
(39:20):
think I don't know if he ever did it in
anything national Ilill would know this, not me, But he
is like worldwide known, like nationally known, even though I
think he was specific to the Lakers. So chick Hern
taught me basketball like I would not know basketball today
if I did not listen to chick Hern.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
He was.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
He was like a teacher as well as a play
by play guy. He often condescended Keith Moore. I think
it was Keith Morrison or who's Keith Erickson.
Speaker 9 (39:50):
Or Keith you might even be great I being worked
with Keith Morrison though, yeah, and Stu Lantz and I I,
for whatever reason, was amused by that because he was
so dismissive and condescending sometimes.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
But chick Hern suffered no fools. I've talked to people
that supported him and produced him, and he was a
pain in the ass, which is fine if you're brilliant
like check Hern.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Now, by the way, most people in this industry that
are great day Tarico is like maybe one of the
only ones I know who's seen as like Mike Rico
is one of the kindest, nicest most thoughtful men I
have ever come into contact with. Iin Eagle is just
hilarious and a great dude. But a lot of the
(40:33):
guys who are the best of the best are pretty
rough on people that aren't prepared for their job.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Absolutely, and Chick, I think was maybe at top of
that list. Real time text here from Bernie Fratto. He
has two shows on the weekend Bernie Fratto here at
Fox Bruss Radio. I had my dealings with chick her.
I'll never forget. Right after Magic Johnson was drafted the
next day, he was livid. Chick wanted named Moncreek, thought
(41:01):
Magic lumbered gracefully but couldn't shoot. He later rescind it
great story, Bernie, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'd be amazing if that was a tweet right where
chick Hern's like, man, why do we take we need
city Monacau give her to Magic?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Was it Twitter or xbot?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Then you know the whole thing about Twitter, not like
the whole name change thing has not worked and nobody
calls it x well.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Elon Musk went on this weekend and said, what's a
better name? X or Twitter? And he got flooded with
Twitter just because it's the most recognizable. If you type
in Twitter dot com, it still goes to X. Like
everything about it is still tweeter. We still say tweet,
we say retweets.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Okay, how about this. Can you recite word for word
how he would call a game over? I can, no, no, no,
I know you can.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
It's in the refrigerator. Yes, the jello's going.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Oh wait, wait, you forgot the first part.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
You what's the first part?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Doors closed doors, closed, lights are out, lights are out,
eggs are cooling, butter's getting hard, jelloiging.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
And he added along the way, by the way, the
juggles jiggling. I think was kind of a later act.
I could be wrong, but no, that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Slam Dunk was him, air Ball was him, air Ball
was him, Ali Upe I believe was him nothing, but
net was him.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I mean he had some other ones that didn't take off, right,
but I think he also did. You can't stop him.
You can only hope to contain him. I think that
was that was chick. So you must be jelly because
jam doesn't shake like that. That's chick hern chick her.
I mean, think about we grew up with chick Hern
(42:54):
and then the Dodgers had the Goat as well. And
here's what it may thing about East Coast guy. East
Coast guy squares everything. East Coast is way better than
West Coast. Wasn't dick Enberg our play by play guy?
When I grew up? I got here with the Angels.
I remember dick Enberg calling.
Speaker 9 (43:11):
Game Angels and Rams, and a lot of my friends
that watched the sports say, I guess Bob Miller is
the best that hockey has, but I wouldn't know the king.
I don't ever watch absolutely.
Speaker 7 (43:23):
Iowa grad.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, thank you everything, All things Iowa by Iowa at
least circles back. So chick Her and anybody else you
want to play in that list.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
I was gonna say Kevin Harlin was my favorite Current
because he's such a pro and he's got the best voice,
and that video of him like telling stan Van Gandhi
to wait it out last spring was iconic.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
He's amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Uh And don't don't you know let it read, don't
choke the moment, don't talk over that sound. What do
you got there? Sam? You got any By the way,
nobody's mentioned Brent Musburger.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
Well, I bred Myisberger is one of my favorite. He
did NBA though, yes, way back, but that was well
before my time, so he's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Stockton stock stock Dick love Brent.
Speaker 7 (44:08):
Musburger as a college football play by play guy. But
you know, full disclosure, I didn't really start following the NBA,
probably to like the turn of the millennium here, but
I'll give to you Kevin's Kevin Harlan and I love
Kevin Collaboro. I love Kelvin Collaboro's voice.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Right, Allen is getting signals from above.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
He's great.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
So yeah, those are a little Susie Waldman.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Sorry, I don't do a get Kevin Collaboro, but we
used to. When I used to do a nighttime show,
we play Kevin Collaboro highlights back when he's a SuperSonics
guy forever. He's amazing and awesome dude as well, I
feel like we're missing somebody.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yes, you are missing somebody and.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Somebody else as well. You guys didn't like Costas, No, no,
we just have our own. This is for you, I mean,
but you didn't like. I'm a full disclosure, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
So I don't Costas as a basketball guy. I know
he did the ABA stuff.
Speaker 9 (45:03):
He did three seasons as the number one voice on
NBCA while Marv.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Was I don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, I remember Marv had the Marv had the uh
yes fighting a woman, right, he was in nibbled on
a woman and so he people forget like you if
you come back from that now. I don't know if
Marv could come back from that now. But then he
came back from it. But during the OJ chase, I
believe that's when Costas was calling the finals. No, who
(45:30):
was calling the finals that day was a Wayston studio.
Speaker 9 (45:32):
It was Marv Costas during the OJ chase was in
the studio on site at the Garden that night. But
Costas to the NBA finals nineteen ninety eight through two thousand.
So ninety eight was the jordan last shot against the Jazz.
Speaker 7 (45:44):
Yes agat Isaac Lohancron, historian Isaac Lowankron.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I can't give him a shot out.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
I think he's got in this screen. Brian Russell by
the way, Cleveland High School, Oh. Then to Long Beach State, Oh.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I got another.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
I do love Dan Schulman.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I love Dan Shulman. He does not do NBA.
Speaker 7 (45:59):
Oh I'm sorry he does call it basketball.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yes, yea loved amazing guy does the Blue Jays games.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
Now believe we've actually I've brought up Dan Schulman for
I have a couple criteria for like, if you're just
a good play by play, let things breathe, don't be
annoying and being at least be interesting. So the guys
that I mentioned are really good.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
That's that's very that's in depth, because depth sam Well.
Speaker 7 (46:20):
I mean a lot of times guys don't let things breathe.
They will be annoying and uh, they'll just say generic
cliches and then I'm like, yeah, I'm tuned out.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
The best don't do that. Iron Eagle, by the way,
is do not do that. I've worked with Ian Iroon's great,
He's amazing, and Iron is, without cursing, maybe the funniest
person I know. He's amazing. I don't know, I mean
just and he was great last night, and that's a
talent I've worked I mean again on the part of
(46:51):
it is great friend of mine. But he called a
great game last night. I think Spiro is really good.
You know, Spiro's been the voice of the Nicks, the
voice of the Lakers as well, and he's amazing covering
the NBA. I like Harlan. You know, one of the
issues I think sometimes with play by play guys is
you know, they hang on a little bit too long,
and Dick Stockting a little bit late in the was
a little bit too long. So and even Brent, when
(47:13):
Brent was calling the Raider games at the end, like
it was not near It was not prime Brent Musburger.
Prime Brent Musburger was big time. Now games are also
called differently now than yeah, but I think we've kind
of circled in on the best. I mean, Chick was incredible, incredible,
(47:33):
but different than the national guys. And when basketball was
at its peak, it was Brent, Dick Stockting. Uh, when
I forget when my blanking had a couple of years
Awa at Marv and then Costas. Costas was really good,
really really really really really good. And work with some
(47:55):
bad color guy the color analysts. I'm not gonna mention
name because I won't bring up Magic Johnson at all. Okay, Oops,
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of pretty cool stuff. What a night last night in
the association. I should mention stop me if you've heard
this before, but my Trout is hurt. Mike Trout is injured.
You like again a little early in the year for
Mike Trout to be injured. Usually it's right about when
it gets important. Then he gets hurt and I love
Mike Trout. It's just you can kind of set your
(01:11):
watch to it. Can't you sit in May already? I'm
just trying to trigger Jason Stewart, who's had a tough day.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Right, It's amazing how time flies.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, you know, it's May. It's May. It's it's May.
Last night in the NBA, what could have been a
series clinching win right there in Madison Square Garden as
the Philadelphia seventy six Ers scored seven points in the
(01:45):
last twenty five seconds of regulation. Tyrese Maxy finished with
forty six and the Sixers came from behind in regulation
to tie it and then came from behind in overtime
to win it. End up getting a one to twelve
one OZHO six win to extend their season. They trail
(02:06):
by six with twenty eight seconds to go, twenty eight
seconds to go crazy, crazy stuff. But you know, it's
interesting in baseball. In baseball baseball, yes, at the end
of games, when closers blow a big lead, almost always
(02:28):
it begins with basically two ways. One is an error
or usually you walk the opening batter of the first
batter of an inning. Right closer comes in, comes out
of the pen, they got all the they got all
the music and the flares and the fireworks going. He
comes in and he's staring down, he's throwing gas. It's
(02:50):
like one hundred and fifteen miles an hour and ball
four take your base, and all of a sudden, everybody's,
everybody's sphincters get tight. And then a series of events,
sometimes an error, things that go bump in the night,
maybe a bad call leads to the comeback, go back
and look and everyone knows a comeback or two in baseball.
(03:13):
That started that way in basketball, And we talked about
this going back to last week. When teams get wins, hey,
when they pull off wins oftentimes in comeback fashion, oftentimes
or most times, maybe a miss free throw triggers it. Right,
a miss free throw triggers it's it's just fascinating to
(03:37):
see how how they mirror it. And then the other
issue is do you foul when you're up three points
late in a game? And I don't know by now,
if you're not in the you should foul under usually
under seven seconds you should foil. Then I can't really
help you. Now, the MAXI three wasn't with seven or
less less. I think did it go in with five
(03:57):
to go, so it was kind of on the boardline.
But Tom Thibodeau was It looked like he was yelling
to foul to Deuce McBride, who obviously did not hear him.
And the rest, as they say, is is history. Here's
Tom Thibodaux trying to explain the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Tough way to lose a ball game. We had a lead,
we got to play tougher with the lead. We filed
in a situation that we didn't want to file in,
and then in the end, Maxi makes a big shot,
so you know we got to do better.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Gotta do better. Maxi made seven of those big shots.
The lead he's talking about was they had that six
point lead out of a timeout, Maxy shot fakes, hits
a three and gets fouled by Mitchell Robinson. Now here's
where I would Tom Thibodeau was right to yell to foul.
(04:56):
Where he's wrong is when Josh Hart missed the first
free throw, first of two, and Josh Hart had eighteen
nine rebounds four sists. Couldn't have been any better for
shooting the ball, But that first miss free throw. If
you watch the game, it barely hit rim. He was tight,
and for a guy who's won national championship and played
(05:17):
almost a decade in the NBA, that's really interesting for
him to be that tight in that spot. You close
out the series. If you make both free throws, it's
a four point game. It becomes not impossible, but seemingly
virtually impossible. Just like we said, now, you could point
out that the actual run began on the shot fake
four point play, MAXI makes the three. That would be fair,
(05:39):
but kind of go through the sequence of events. You
come out of a timeout, you're up six points. The
only way you lose is if they cut the possessions
from three to two. Right, The only way you lose
is if you cut the possessions from three to two,
(06:01):
because there's just not the time on the clock. If
they score a dead layup five five seconds, you still
they have to have two more possessions and then you're
likely going to get fouled, and you can make it
a three possession game. The only way you lose is
the way in which the Knicks lost the game. You
(06:23):
cannot not only give up a three point shot, but
you can't foul on a three point shot. So as
much as I'd like to believe or like to say
that it started on Josh Hart's Smiths free throw, it
really started on out of the inbounds play. And here's
the issue with Tibbs and his substitution. You shouldn't have
(06:45):
a big guy on the floor at that time because
if they want to throw it inside and score an
easy two, you know, and you just put your hands
up and they score and easy two. Okay, the scoring
easy too, But by bringing a big guy in, he's
going to be late on any switch. You run the
risk of fouling a three point shot. And then the
same thing happened when they missed the first free throw.
(07:08):
When they missed the first free throw, now it becomes
pot potentially a three point game or a two point
game when the Sixers get the ball back right, So
you should have a sub ready to go. If it's
a three point game, sub in whatever guard you want,
(07:28):
So you switch every screen instead, what did they do?
They had Mitchell Robinson still in the game, and though
he gets closer to the screen, he's playing in the
drop and Tyrese Maxey gets a wide open step in three. Now,
granted you could sit here and tell me all you
want that, Hey, Deuce McBride should have fouled in the backcourt,
(07:50):
that's fine. He should have fouled and he didn't, okay,
But whether he should foul or shouldn't foul, that shouldn't
affect the fact that if you're up three points, you
want to be able to switch every screen and be
right there with the switch. And yes, you could do
it with Mitchell Robinson. That's fine. You can also be
way up there high, or you could just take your
big guy out switch everything. Again, they lay the ball in,
(08:11):
you don't tie the game. So here's what it comes
down to. You choked a free throw, you fouled on
a three point shot, you didn't sub in the right personnel,
and then you still had a chance to win the
game with the ball with your best player, and you
don't have a time out to call right to advance
(08:32):
the basketball game. I think they actually had a timeout
to advance the basketball and try and get one last
quality look. Instead, Jalen burns and gets a shot locked.
And while we'd like to think that it was so
devastating way to lose, should be point out the Knicks
had a lead. I think they're up five or six
in overtime before losing by six in overtime, So it
wasn't like they hung their hats and once they lost
(08:52):
the game, once the game was tied in regulation went
to overtime, they shut it down for the winner. That's
not what happened. But what a tough way to lose
a basketball game. Huh tough way to lose a game?
Oh yeah, yoe. And it's one of those things where
if you live long enough, it's going to come back
(09:14):
your way. It just happened with the seventy six ers.
Seventy six ers choked away a game they well should
have won playing at home. Now the Nicks do the
exact same thing. Here's the last part about it, which
is interesting.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
You have.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
A team in the league's biggest market and you have
an MVP in a Joel embid, and I'd be fascinated
to see what the numbers were on the broadcast because
as much as it was a great watch, it was
a really good basketball game, a really good basketball game,
(09:52):
and the Garden is as electric as any sporting venue
anywhere in the world last night not an exception. So
you have a big name head coach in Tom Thibodeau.
You have everyone knows Jalen Brunson, and you have a
superstar in terms of accomplishments and probably name recognition, and
Joel Embiid. It's not like Philadelphia is a small market.
(10:17):
But the fact that it's not Lebron, it's not Durant,
it's not Steph. I wonder if people watched what a game?
What a finish to a game, and it brings up
the Okay, now is a sudden the pressure shifts to Philadelphia,
I mean, excuse me, to New York now, Like you
(10:39):
kind of got a win in Philly. You don't want
this thing to go seven? Do you? You don't want
to be a team we know how we rake over
the coals. Teams that have a three to one lead
and then lose that three to one lead. Don't believe me.
I give you Doc Rivers. Speaking of Doc Rivers, how
about that performance last night? No, I did not see
it coming. Matter of fact, on the ind The Bonus podcast,
I said to everybody, like, if you're gonna like this
(11:00):
seems like a kind of easy one Buck's an elimination game,
four point dog at home without Yiannis, without Lillard, and
the only time they had won a game in the
series was Lillard having thirty five points in the first
half of Game one. It seemed too easy and what's
the old expression and the time something's too good to
be true? It is so an amazing, an amazing back
(11:27):
to back doubleheader of games last night in the NBA.
And I love Jay Sew's investment in this thing. You
were emotionally invested in that deal? Hell, yeah, emotionally invested,
Jase two, Yeah, I was, Or were you financially invested?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I didn't bet on the game, but I did see
many tweets out there that showed how many times Maxi
traveled on one of his big threes.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
On the it's on the foul three he shot, faked
and switched pimot feet and stepped under.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It was travel.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Travel.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
It's one of my more I'm using things to watch.
I don't know if I tapped into an algorithm on x,
but there is a site dedicated to exposing all the
traveling in the NBA. And then the guy will go
on to a basketball court and mimic it, and he'll
do like the six steps, and then he'll show the
exact same thing that the NBA player does it's really funny.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I've seen that as well. I've seen that one
as well. Uh boy, we've got a good show for it.
By the way, here's Sixers head coach Nick Nurse talking
about Joel Embiid's performance.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
He can do those things, just not didn't seem like
that was gonna appear tonight, right. He obviously was was
not feeling great. It was a tough game for him,
you know, very difficult. But he here found he found
a way to do that stuff. I mean, he can
move speed, he can block shouts and can strip the ball.
We've we've all seen him do that when he's when
(12:59):
he's super engaged in trying to get a staff. I
mean it was it was good that he finally came
up and was able to dig down and do that.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I like, that's that's pretty awesome. Actually, I think people
are miss assessing a Mead was a mess in terms
of turning the ball over. You at nine turnovers seven
to nineteen from floor, but he's a plus fourteen. The
team was way better with them on the floor, and
he made some big free throws late. But I love that, Like,
can you play well or play you know, can you
(13:28):
win when you're not playing well? And that's the case
with Joel Embii. Obviously, Tyrese Maxy carried him offensively. He
was spectacular forty six nine and five. Wow, were you
gonna say they're sam?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Obviously Bobby Portis was a big reason why the Bucks won. Sure,
I can't remember who he did this gesture against, but
he did the two small we nice little basket. But
when you're scoring that much and it's one two pointer,
do you think that the two small celebrations is sort
of ridiculous in that moment? Has it reached dab status?
(14:02):
It's like smacking the floor? I mean the dab is
more like a personal celebration of yourself. You know, you're
like a touch scored, a touchdown my dab?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (14:10):
What is the too small? It's taunting another guy? Okay,
same with you know just slapping the floor. Isn't even
that much of a taunt.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean, well, this is the impetus of slapping the floor. Yeah,
was for Duke and it was their international. That was
their sign for like we gotta let's dig in, let's
get it right up.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
It's like a pump you up thing. But the too
small thing is more of like a personal you know,
if what was it? Wagner got called for pointing at
a guy, Like, why wouldn't they call a foul for
the too small.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's just generally accepted. I guess I don't know how
my body portus is a plus thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
He was great, He was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Pat Bev. Pat Bev was really good last night too. Uh,
Malik Beasley had was it four threes? I mean that
game was and Indiana was up eight at the end
of the first quarter, and I was like, I'm gonna
flip around, see what else is on come back? And
and now a sudden the Bucks had to lead at
the half, and then the third quarter was just an avalanche.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
Yeah, it was a fork in the road. Car went
one decision and one direction.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yes, yes, completely, yes completely.
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(16:29):
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Can we can we start with the Lakers? We start
with the Lakers. If you're if you're in charge, Uh,
tell me what you do with this.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Team right now? As constructed. I gotta go get some lens.
I got I need some wings, you know. I like
Vanderbilt and all that with his length, but I can't
rely on me. I mean, the last couple of years
he's been hurt. I gotta get somebody does he can't
shoot and can shoot? I need shooters, you know. I mean,
a d is probably the most games he's played in
(17:02):
ten thousand years, and so it was just great to
see that. And Lebron is still serviceable. I mean, he's
not the same Lebron. Let's get that straight, you know,
but that's twenty one years in so you have to
kind of like, you know, play with that a little bit, sure,
But at the same time, I do believe that my
team is better served without Lebron because I when you
(17:26):
watch the Lakers play when he's out, it's a different team.
It's not in day, and I think that has to
be addressed. You know, whether it's a seance, some therapy,
I don't know what it is, but that has to
be addressed. How you guys played one way when he's there,
you play a totally different way when he's not.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
When you say it has to be addressed, how do
you address it? I mean, do you do you trade him?
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I don't know if I'm going to trade him. I
just like I said, maybe I just go to the guy. Hey, okay,
I need you guys to play like this when Lebron
is in the in the lineup, okay, the way you
guys say when he's out, relaxed, confident. You know, stop
deferring so much to him. He is thirty nine years old.
You don't have to defer to him anymore. He's legendary.
(18:19):
I get it, you got I know a bunch of
the players they grew up watching him, so they are
in awe. But you have to stop doing that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a hard one. It is
clearly a difficult one for so many of these guys
to do because he's he's Lebron James, and but yes,
the ball stops when it gets to Lebron. Okay, let's
let's get to some of those series. Clippers tonight. Kawhi
still out. They've been better with Kawhi out than they
(18:49):
have Kawhi in. But you know it all some of
it depends upon the Mavericks, not as much the Clippers.
What do you think of the Clippers Maverick series?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, I was surprised by the last game only because
that they held on to win. That was the surprise.
I expected the you know, the Mavericks to come back
from thirty one down, but I thought the Clippers were
going to win. So the shock for me was the
fact that they held on and won. But they're not
going to shoot like that every night. I mean, Harden
(19:22):
and Paul George and Norman Powell, these guys were just
knocking down shot after shot. He shot was the Paul
George shot in the corner with a man draped all
over him, and that went in once he hit that
the game was over in my opinion, But again, they're
not going to play that well every night, you know,
I thought, Dallas, you know, the problem with them right
now is the fact that number one Luca is a
(19:44):
low hobbled but you know, it's just the fact that
you know, they haven't played some really good defense. But
it's you know, that game kind of like everything they
did the prior games got basically thrown away with that.
I don't know what you want to call that's showing,
you know, to be down thirty one points at home,
(20:04):
that's some insane stuff to me, and it took everything
out of them, you know, just fighting to get back
to you know, to being up one, and so to me,
they got to find a balance somewhere within their their
whole style of playing basketball. But I do see this
this series going seven, you know, and the Kawhi thing,
I mean, they should be used to this, but now
(20:27):
Doug actually should be used to this. Don't expect Kawhi anymore.
The knee is shot, you know, and so he's gonna
have the sub seriously thinking about, you know, maybe possibly
possibility of retiring because you know, it's like he'll miss
not with him.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Really is sad because he's such such a talented player,
but they haven't been able to figure it out and
get it right. He's like that, he's there, Mike Trout,
That's what he is. You know, he's he's there, He's there,
Mike Trout. Let me, uh, let's go to six Ers
Knicks last night. Brunson amazing, Tyrese Maxey even more amazing.
(21:05):
But there's a litany of in the succession of things
that went wrong for the Knicks, right for the Sixers,
right up six twenty eight seconds to go, and Tyrese
Maxey's shot faked. He did travel under the shot fake,
but he jumps in, gets the foul, and one makes
the free throw, so six to four. Then Josh Hart
misses badly the front end of a two shot foul,
(21:26):
makes the second one, and it it sounded like if
you listen to the broadcast that Tibbs told. Tibbs told, uh,
the guard Garden the ball to foul, doesn't foul Duce
McBride and then he comes and I mean, it wasn't
a walk in shot, but it was a it was
a rhythm jump shot from the logo that Tyrese Maxey
(21:48):
knocks down. Where do you, as a guy who's been
in those situations, where do you lay lay the most blame?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, the blame really, I don't even think there's blame
of the fiul by Mitchell Robinson. I don't think they
was blamed to go around. It's just Maxy willed his
team to win. That was it, you know. The four
point play was a catalyst. But again that's the only
blame that I see. Everything else is it is what
(22:18):
it is. But I'm not following somebody when I'm up.
No one's ever blocked really a three point shot, and
especially with the new rules now, you're not gonna block
it because for you to block the shot, you have
to get in his faith, you know. And so to me,
I don't know why guys are still doing this crap
of lunging out and doing all this stuff. These guys
(22:38):
are crafty now, and so to me, just let him
if he makes it, he makes it. It's always been
a fifty to fifty proposition, So let him shoot him.
So the blame goes to Mitchell Robinson's following him, But
the one with MAXI pulled no one Max. He's never
shown himself to be that kind of shooter, and so
to me it was like, hey, he took that shot here.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Okay, so let me let me hit you with something.
You tell me you're totally allowed, opie, because you've done
this for so long to disagree. I respect you that much, Okay,
I think who's screwed up? Honestly, it's tips. And let
me tell you why. When you're up six, right, you're
up six twenty eight seconds ago. The only way you lose,
only way you lose is if you give up threes,
(23:19):
let alone foul on threes.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Most definitely.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay, So why play Mitchell Robinson? Why play a traditional
shot blocking big play switch off? If they get by
and they get to the bucket and they post you
up and score, fine, great, you still have to get
two possessions. We get foul, we go down, and we
knocked in three those. It's at least a two, if
not a three possession game again, and then okay, and
(23:43):
then when Josh Hart misses the first free throw, you
gotta be willing to sub in for the shooter if
he makes the second, or sub in for Mitchell Robinson again.
Same thing. You had to know they had to have
a three and while Tyrese Maxey doesn't traditionally hit logo threes.
The fact is you hadn't know he's gonna shoot, and
he was up closer in the drop. But that should
(24:05):
be you should be right there on the ball streen
an easy switch. Make him make it two, make it,
make it too.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So I totally agree. I totally agree what you just said.
And hence when I said Mitchell Robinson's to book, I
mean Mitchell Robinson didn't sub himself in. Yes, No, the
Tims put him in the game, you know. And this
is again, this is all coaching, you know, or telling
the guy, do not foul the three point shooter. If
(24:32):
he goes by you, fine, we'll live with her two.
I mean that used to be the mentality, you know.
I'm just gonna push out on him, make him go
buy me if I want him to drive. I'm not challenging.
I just want to stand there, just get in that
in that space to where he goes by me. I
want him, please beat me. And that's not what happened.
(24:54):
He jumped for god knows what.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You could jump just jump straight up in the air,
but or be big making make a shot over the
top of seven foot long, seven fit stand there and
be seven feet It seems so easy from our chair.
It really, it really does.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
But it is easy, Doug. They make it hard.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I get it. I do. I do, in fact get it.
Any cause for concern with the Pacers where the Bucks
came out with completely different energy and blew them out
last night without their two stars.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Oh, I mean not. I mean the Paces they're gonna
win at home. The fear or the Anks is going
to be if they lose six at home. Now we
got a problem, yeah, you know. But at the same time,
I mean I thought, you know, Milwaukee is on life support,
so they had to come out and play that way again.
(25:48):
Malite Beasley not down shot. Yes, Chris Middleton did a
night shot carry them.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Pap bed was good last night. Was that was the
best he's playing.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I mean he's an annoyance, but he was really a
good annoy Milwaukee again. Is Pat Bealie gonna play like
that the next game? You know, that's another one it'll miss.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
How much of a buyer are you into Oklahoma City?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I would say I'm about I'm seventy. I like them,
I like the youth, I like the flag that they
play with you know, diagnosis coach of the Air. I
think the catalyst, of course is Shay because the fact
that you can't rush him, that's the problem for every
(26:38):
other team. You're not going to speed up, shake guilts,
and so to me, that's going to be the key
for them. As long as he's in control, the rest
of the teams in control. And so to me, the
Williams is the jail, the two jail and Williams is
I mean teams. That's what I'm saying. Teams pass up
on players and then when they get in the right
situations they look like superstars and it's absurd to me.
(27:00):
I'm like, wait a minute, somebody else could have had
this guy. But I like them a lot. You know,
I'm not saying they're gonna win the championship, but they're
gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Okay, what about the Wolves. I mean, obviously, you know
they got a guy who who Anthony Everards is something.
How do you think they match up with the Nuggets?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
They match up really well, and they're gonna post the
biggest problem to the then the Nuggets repeating So to me,
whoever comes out of that series is the Western Conference champion.
That's how I'm looking at I'm calling it. Whoever comes
out that series is the West Coast. I don't know
who's gonna goud Anthony Edwards, but they need to figure
(27:44):
that one out. No question, Joker is gonna have his
handful because the key ball of Minnesota is the fact
that they not only have Rudy gober defensive players, but
they have called Anthony who can match up size wise.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yes, yes, they were. They were absolutely ahead of it
going back to last year when people said why did
you go get Gobert because the league has changed and
that that team has six ' nine six ten seven
foot across the front line. And if you don't match
up with it, you know you're gonna get You're gonna
get your brains beat in by him. And I do
think Minnesota matches up with it. Hope you're the best.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Know what's happened. They're gonna play it. They're gonna play
Jokics on top more. They're gonna pull Rudy Gobert out.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, you play, you pull them out. I mean again,
like my thing is like if you're Jokic, if Jokic
makes five threes, hey tip your cap. He doesn't usually
make he makes one or two and then it's all
the crafty passing or whatever. They beat you a lot
of different ways, but it gives them a chance by
having that size.
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Speaker 3 (29:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We had a surprising win by the Bucks. We had
an incredible comeback by the Sixers. So wait, help me
out with this, am I my the Sixers come back
and win. EMBIID has nine turnovers. Doesn't play well. And
Collin's reaction was you need to trade embiid? Is that
is that right? They get the right?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I heard him say that you need to trade Embiid,
But he's been saying that for a while now that
you need to move him because his value is high
and you can get a lot for him now. But
he's broken down a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
He's always broken. He's always broken down, like he's a
you know, I don't understand the Like there's there's three
or four human beings on Earth that are in Joel
Embiid's orbit. Three or four human beings on Earth. So
(30:21):
unless you're going to get such a haul that you
can get a replacement Big Star Wings or whatever. Unless
you're gonna get a replacement Hall, like there's you're not
going to get any sort of turn. And like again
I don't I don't understand that. I know he's been hurt.
I know he gets hurt a lot. He was the
MVP of the league. And any tell me the star
(30:45):
player who's like thirty year older that hasn't gotten hurt.
Oh wait, Paul George broke his leg, Kawhi Leonard, multiple injuries,
Russell Westbrook one of the things is that changed his
career as four knee surgeries. James Harden just got fat
(31:06):
and had bad hamstrings.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Mmm, see here, Lebron's gotten hurt. You know, didn't really
get hurt. This year Anthony Davis has gotten hurt like
you kind of go through it. And the amazing thing
about Lebron is he's like the only guy who up
until like last five years, he was never hurt, never hurt.
But yeah, the let's get rid of a Joel embiid
thing is a weird one that one I didn't see coming.
(31:34):
Don't see coming. It's Wednesday, which is hump day. It's
the middle of our show. We have a one hour
podcast which starts in one hour. You can download that
and the iHeart Radio, iHeart Podcast network, or you just
whevery download podcast type in Doug Gottlieb. Middle of the day,
middle of the week, middle of the show. Let's get
to the midway. He's not getting the middle with you.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's time for middle.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Um, let's get after it here. Okay, so the midway.
We don't usually do these, I don't want to say
generic topics, but the type of topics which you know
some radio shows do on a daily basis where everybody
gets to jime in. Not necessarily uh top of the mind,
(32:33):
top line. But there isn't a huge breaking story today
typical for Wednesdays. So here's what I thought, guys, and
I think it was actually Jason's suggestion.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I just do it.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You suggested specifically your favorite play by play voice of
in the NBA or all.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Time or what NBA current or past, current or past?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Why? Why play by play only?
Speaker 5 (32:59):
I just I wanted to narrow it down because we
have a play by play announcer on our crew today.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's not the that's not.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
The typical day. Isaac Low and Kron has. He's an
acclaimed play by play announcer, and I.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Thought he would have an interesting perspective on this. And
a few people.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Did you know I've done two NFL games that play
a player?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
How many? What what you're doing? You're doing a bunch
of sports, right name?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Does a lot? Do all the sports?
Speaker 9 (33:30):
MLS, soccer, basketball, football, any anything anyone's foolish to pay
me for.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Okay, So I want this is a It's an important
distinction you bring in because so many people who are
what do the kids say mid or sus on on
on X or on other forms of social media. When
you go like, hey, who's your favorite play by play announcer,
they'll put like a color a listen there, or you
(34:00):
say who's your favorite analyst and then put a play
by play guy in there? That's so many right, so
this is just play by play men.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Or with it's open for debate. If you guys are
no analysts, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
No, but you can't rank an analyst with a play
and play by play. It's it's a completely different job,
completely different job. And in radio it's all play by
play like that's it's a play by play person's job.
In TV, it's really is a team and you have
to do your work and be a good teammate. Fair
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I loove Yes, Okay, Isaac, you having done it your
favorite NBA guys of all time play by play.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
I'm gonna throw you too. We'll start with chick hern
Take it back to Game four of the nineteen eighty
seven NBA Finals and Magic Johnson's junior sky hook.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The left goes Magic, He's got it.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
He didn't show it that five seconds left, Maggie got
in the metal just what I thought.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I hook shot a twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Gul god two seconds trip.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
The Lakers take the lead on Maggie Johnson's running skyhook.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
And my last contribution, the late great longtime voice of
the Chicago Bulls, Jim Durham. We take you to the
shot Michael Jordan over Craig Elo the deciding game of
the nineteen eighty nine Playoffs in.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
Bounced pass comes into Geordan.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Here's Michael at the foul line.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
I shot on Elok, Guy Dousion, set Day Cleavano, tavlaiers.
Michael Jordan hits it at the foul line on the
one hundred twenty thousand, two hundred and seventy three in
stunning Tennent's here the Colin Fail book.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So there you go.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Chick Hern and Jim Durham both in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
My first gig with ESPN Radio was with Jim Durham.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
This is a oh yeah, hell, it's my show. I
don't care, okay. So here's the story, guys, and I
tell this story often, just not an air. I haven't
told them told much, which is in two thousand and three,
two thousand and two, two thousand and three, I called
games on ESPN, ESPN plus Cowboy Sports Properties did a
(36:16):
radio show in Oklahoma City. As soon as the season
was over, I went and played in France and when
playing in France, I played against Michael pe Truce and
Boris Dial. The year before I played against Darko when
I was in Israel. He was playing at him from
Brosick in Yugoslavia. I throughout these names because I called
the gentleman who hired me at ESPN was a man
named Dan Steer. Dan Sear was known as the Vision.
(36:38):
I called Vision, and I said, hey, Dan, I would
love And I just got back from France because I
played for like a month and a half, two months
filled in, just kind of got out of my system.
Loved it, and I was like, dude, I'd love to
do the NBA draft. He was like, I can't use you.
I have plenty of guys, but maybe radio could use you.
And I was like, but Dan, I know the international guys.
I know the high school guys. I know Lebron. My
(36:58):
dad said AU coach, my brother's a college assistant. I
covered college. He's like, I got it. I can't use it.
Radio maybe could use it. So I get the radio
gig and I go to our meeting and I didn't
know Jim Durham was doing it, and I didn't actually
know a ton about Jim Durham, so Kevin Lockery and
(37:20):
Fred Carter with the other two analysts Bulldog okay, Bulldog
Fred Carter, who of course was the best player in
the worst team in NBA history and was an NBA coach,
and he had the point, the Fred Carter point on TV.
Remember that. And Kevin Lockery, Murph as he's known was
he coached Jordan at the Bulls and he was the
one who came up with the great offensive idea, Let's
(37:41):
give them all Michael Jordan, put everybody on the other
side of the court. That's good coaching anyway. I'll never forget.
Like Jim the very first introduction Good Evening live from
Madison Square Garden, Jim Durham with longtime NBA analysts Kevin Lockery,
Murph how are you? And UH was with a bulldog
(38:01):
UH and Fred Carter and we actually had ash the
point sound effect and a newcomer Doug Gotlick and I
was just there to be like the darko guy and
the international guy. But they had just got done doing
the NBA Finals, so they didn't know any of the guys.
And once you got past Carmelo, I became el Kipper
Junior and That's how I got my start. And then
(38:25):
you know, Bruce Gilbert used to be our boss, used
to be a boss here at Fox Sports. Now he
runs Westwood One. And he called me and he's like, hey,
can you talk any other sport? I said, yes, three
of them. I worked in Oklahoma City football spring football recruiting,
and I got an audition at DSPN Radio and the
rest is history. So there you go, Jim. But anyway,
I called my dad the first after the first night
(38:45):
that we watch all the videos on all the guys.
It's the Merriott Marquis and I was like, Dad, He's like,
who are you working with? And I said, Fred Carter
starts to giving me there, and I was like, Jim Durham.
He's like, you're working with Jim Durham. He's like, do
everything that man tells you to do. Rest in peace,
Jim Durham.
Speaker 11 (38:59):
All right, give me yours Chasey's shirt the Midway. All right,
I've got two as well. And I'm going to expound
a little bit on chick Hern. I often say that
chick Hern and Vince Scully were the soundtrack of my childhood.
I went to sleep with their voices during their season,
and chick Hern isn't really only a Laker thing. I
(39:20):
think I don't know if he ever did it in
anything national Ilill would know this, not me, But he
is like worldwide known, like nationally known, even though I
think he was specific to the Lakers. So chick Hern
taught me basketball like I would not know basketball today
if I did not listen to chick Hern.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
He was.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
He was like a teacher as well as a play
by play guy. He often condescended Keith Moore. I think
it was Keith Morrison or who's Keith Erickson.
Speaker 9 (39:50):
Or Keith you might even be great I being worked
with Keith Morrison though, yeah, and Stu Lantz and I I,
for whatever reason, was amused by that because he was
so dismissive and condescending sometimes.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
But chick Hern suffered no fools. I've talked to people
that supported him and produced him, and he was a
pain in the ass, which is fine if you're brilliant
like check Hern.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Now, by the way, most people in this industry that
are great day Tarico is like maybe one of the
only ones I know who's seen as like Mike Rico
is one of the kindest, nicest most thoughtful men I
have ever come into contact with. Iin Eagle is just
hilarious and a great dude. But a lot of the
(40:33):
guys who are the best of the best are pretty
rough on people that aren't prepared for their job.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Absolutely, and Chick, I think was maybe at top of
that list. Real time text here from Bernie Fratto. He
has two shows on the weekend Bernie Fratto here at
Fox Bruss Radio. I had my dealings with chick her.
I'll never forget. Right after Magic Johnson was drafted the
next day, he was livid. Chick wanted named Moncreek, thought
(41:01):
Magic lumbered gracefully but couldn't shoot. He later rescind it
great story, Bernie, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'd be amazing if that was a tweet right where
chick Hern's like, man, why do we take we need
city Monacau give her to Magic?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Was it Twitter or xbot?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Then you know the whole thing about Twitter, not like
the whole name change thing has not worked and nobody
calls it x well.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Elon Musk went on this weekend and said, what's a
better name? X or Twitter? And he got flooded with
Twitter just because it's the most recognizable. If you type
in Twitter dot com, it still goes to X. Like
everything about it is still tweeter. We still say tweet,
we say retweets.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Okay, how about this. Can you recite word for word
how he would call a game over? I can, no, no, no,
I know you can.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
It's in the refrigerator. Yes, the jello's going.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Oh wait, wait, you forgot the first part.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
You what's the first part?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Doors closed doors, closed, lights are out, lights are out,
eggs are cooling, butter's getting hard, jelloiging.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
And he added along the way, by the way, the
juggles jiggling. I think was kind of a later act.
I could be wrong, but no, that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Slam Dunk was him, air Ball was him, air Ball
was him, Ali Upe I believe was him nothing, but
net was him.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I mean he had some other ones that didn't take off, right,
but I think he also did. You can't stop him.
You can only hope to contain him. I think that
was that was chick. So you must be jelly because
jam doesn't shake like that. That's chick hern chick her.
I mean, think about we grew up with chick Hern
(42:54):
and then the Dodgers had the Goat as well. And
here's what it may thing about East Coast guy. East
Coast guy squares everything. East Coast is way better than
West Coast. Wasn't dick Enberg our play by play guy?
When I grew up? I got here with the Angels.
I remember dick Enberg calling.
Speaker 9 (43:11):
Game Angels and Rams, and a lot of my friends
that watched the sports say, I guess Bob Miller is
the best that hockey has, but I wouldn't know the king.
I don't ever watch absolutely.
Speaker 7 (43:23):
Iowa grad.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, thank you everything, All things Iowa by Iowa at
least circles back. So chick Her and anybody else you
want to play in that list.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
I was gonna say Kevin Harlin was my favorite Current
because he's such a pro and he's got the best voice,
and that video of him like telling stan Van Gandhi
to wait it out last spring was iconic.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
He's amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Uh And don't don't you know let it read, don't
choke the moment, don't talk over that sound. What do
you got there? Sam? You got any By the way,
nobody's mentioned Brent Musburger.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
Well, I bred Myisberger is one of my favorite. He
did NBA though, yes, way back, but that was well
before my time, so he's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Stockton stock stock Dick love Brent.
Speaker 7 (44:08):
Musburger as a college football play by play guy. But
you know, full disclosure, I didn't really start following the NBA,
probably to like the turn of the millennium here, but
I'll give to you Kevin's Kevin Harlan and I love
Kevin Collaboro. I love Kelvin Collaboro's voice.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Right, Allen is getting signals from above.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
He's great.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
So yeah, those are a little Susie Waldman.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Sorry, I don't do a get Kevin Collaboro, but we
used to. When I used to do a nighttime show,
we play Kevin Collaboro highlights back when he's a SuperSonics
guy forever. He's amazing and awesome dude as well, I
feel like we're missing somebody.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yes, you are missing somebody and.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Somebody else as well. You guys didn't like Costas, No, no,
we just have our own. This is for you, I mean,
but you didn't like. I'm a full disclosure, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
So I don't Costas as a basketball guy. I know
he did the ABA stuff.
Speaker 9 (45:03):
He did three seasons as the number one voice on
NBCA while Marv.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Was I don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, I remember Marv had the Marv had the uh
yes fighting a woman, right, he was in nibbled on
a woman and so he people forget like you if
you come back from that now. I don't know if
Marv could come back from that now. But then he
came back from it. But during the OJ chase, I
believe that's when Costas was calling the finals. No, who
(45:30):
was calling the finals that day was a Wayston studio.
Speaker 9 (45:32):
It was Marv Costas during the OJ chase was in
the studio on site at the Garden that night. But
Costas to the NBA finals nineteen ninety eight through two thousand.
So ninety eight was the jordan last shot against the Jazz.
Speaker 7 (45:44):
Yes agat Isaac Lohancron, historian Isaac Lowankron.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I can't give him a shot out.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
I think he's got in this screen. Brian Russell by
the way, Cleveland High School, Oh. Then to Long Beach State, Oh.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I got another.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
I do love Dan Schulman.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I love Dan Shulman. He does not do NBA.
Speaker 7 (45:59):
Oh I'm sorry he does call it basketball.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yes, yea loved amazing guy does the Blue Jays games.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
Now believe we've actually I've brought up Dan Schulman for
I have a couple criteria for like, if you're just
a good play by play, let things breathe, don't be
annoying and being at least be interesting. So the guys
that I mentioned are really good.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
That's that's very that's in depth, because depth sam Well.
Speaker 7 (46:20):
I mean a lot of times guys don't let things breathe.
They will be annoying and uh, they'll just say generic
cliches and then I'm like, yeah, I'm tuned out.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
The best don't do that. Iron Eagle, by the way,
is do not do that. I've worked with Ian Iroon's great,
He's amazing, and Iron is, without cursing, maybe the funniest
person I know. He's amazing. I don't know, I mean
just and he was great last night, and that's a
talent I've worked I mean again on the part of
(46:51):
it is great friend of mine. But he called a
great game last night. I think Spiro is really good.
You know, Spiro's been the voice of the Nicks, the
voice of the Lakers as well, and he's amazing covering
the NBA. I like Harlan. You know, one of the
issues I think sometimes with play by play guys is
you know, they hang on a little bit too long,
and Dick Stockting a little bit late in the was
a little bit too long. So and even Brent, when
(47:13):
Brent was calling the Raider games at the end, like
it was not near It was not prime Brent Musburger.
Prime Brent Musburger was big time. Now games are also
called differently now than yeah, but I think we've kind
of circled in on the best. I mean, Chick was incredible, incredible,
(47:33):
but different than the national guys. And when basketball was
at its peak, it was Brent, Dick Stockting. Uh, when
I forget when my blanking had a couple of years
Awa at Marv and then Costas. Costas was really good,
really really really really really good. And work with some
(47:55):
bad color guy the color analysts. I'm not gonna mention
name because I won't bring up Magic Johnson at all. Okay, Oops,
Oops the Midway MH
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