May 2, 2024 • 40 mins
NBA champion Paul Pierce joins the show to share what makes this current Celtics team special
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go our number two, Paul Pierce,
right around the corner. Never had Paul the show. I
don't think so. Best dressed guide the network live in La.
It's the Herd wherever you may may be and however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. J McK and I went out last night.
Some chicken wings, little beverage, not too many, just enough
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to feel good about what we were watching with the Mavericks.
Kyrie was spectacular.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Last night and with the waitress took a couple photos
of us and Colard had to reject the first set
of photos. I'mhappy with them. Second set I had to
crop out the adult beverages. I don't want to send
a bad sign to the teenagers.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, the teenagers, they think we're home, going to bed
at eight. It's not the truth. We're out there rolling
last night chicken wings and.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Free heavy Yeah, big night.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The kids out there like those guys are upstanding citizens. Nah,
it's not what's happening. Okay. So I'm hearing all these
stories about Caleb Williams, and I know we tend to
in this business, you know, hype people up and get
a little hyper. The Caleb Williams sing in Chicago. Though again,
you're not being hyper. I said, I thought they had
the best off season of any team. They're gonna look
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completely different. Think about this. The last number one quarterback
picks we went back this morning, the last several. Bryce
Young literally did not have a number one or number
two receiver and a battle line, no talent. The previous
number one quarterback to him was Trevor Lawrence. He got
a college head coach that never coached in the NFL
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and frankly admitted he didn't watch much NFL and a
bad roster Joe Burrow, horrible offensive line, historically cheap owner,
no momentum in the franchise. We didn't know if Zach
Taylor could coach Kyler Murray Arizona, nuff said Baker Mayfield,
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Cleveland even less needs to be said Arizona Cleveland. But
Chicago's different. Chicago didn't get the number one pick because
they stink. They got the number one pick from Carolina.
They stunk. Chicago won seven games in a good division,
so there's players here. Secondly, I think right now they
have a top seven or eight offensive tackle, receiver, tight end,
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running back situation, so there's no reason to look at
this even their coach. And I have my reservations on
Matt Eberflus. I'm not sure yet, but Brandon Staley with
the Chargers was a defensive coach and their defense was awful.
He couldn't get that right. The minute Zach Taylor got
Joe Burrow, it's like, oh, okay, he can coach. Now.
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We don't know if Zach Taylor is going to be
Andy Reid er Belichick, but we know he knows offense.
You can watch how clever it is. They move the
ball up and down on everybody. And Matt Eberflus when
they got him Montese sweat. Did you look at the
last six weeks of the Chicago Bears defense. It was
number one in the NFL and points allowed number one
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in the NFL. In interceptions and number three in opponent
passer rating. So the minute you got him an elite
defensive lineman, eber Flus was great. Now, I don't know.
These defensive coaches often aren't great with the offensive side
of the ball. But I know Eberflus isn't a fraud.
I know he can coach. He knows his side of
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the ball. Like Sean McDermott. He can drive me crazy.
Mike Tomlin on the offensive side, but mcdermot's a hell
of a coach on defense. Defense is always when it's
healthy good Tomlin's an excellent defensive coach. They always generate
a pass rush. So Matt Eberfluch knows defense. So that's
the big question, not talent. Well can eber flues Well
we know we know he knows his side of the ball.
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We have seen coaches get jobs in this league that
don't know their side of the ball. So when people
criticize Lincoln Riley, I'm like, they've led the nation in
offense the last two years with like two NFL players.
Now they can't figure the defense out. But he knows
his side of the ball. It's the first thing I
look at. And with that, we've been watching him on
Undisputed and we say, hey, man, if you get time,
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we'd love to have you on the show. He's a
busy guy. He's got to drive out to the valley,
but he made time for us today, the ten time
All Star Paul Pierce joining us in the herd. Look
at Paul the dapper. Yeah, it is good to see you. Yeah,
what you look like you could still play. You ever
go out and wreck league? It a little bit, a
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little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Today you're playing tonight. Yeah, plants tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now, when you were a great defensive player in the league,
that's good enough. You defend when you go out and play.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
They like the NBA today, the new NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I just go on shoot threes.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You know, when we were talking about this last night,
there are some organizations that rise. The Yankees and Alabama
football and the Lakers. I mean, the Lakers are a
flawed roster, but historically in the big games, Celtics have
a lot. And I watched the Clippers last night and
I'm like, okay, this is a moment and it was
like the ghost of Clippers past arrived. It was their
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worst playoff loss in history. So I want to ask
you you played for Kansas Boston. So you won a
lot of games, and those are legendary, iconic basketball organizations.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Does the Clippers from the outside looking in look like
not that it's haunted, but there's something hanging on the
franchise in big spots.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, I truly believe.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
And I said this before, I think they got a
dark cloud over them. And I think the only way
that dark cloud is going to get removed is when
they move into their own building next year.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I truly believe that.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
You know, they shared the building there in the shadow
of the Lakers, y'all.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, you share locker rooms and stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
It's the Lakers building, you know, it's they crib, and
you just kind of lease it out. You go in
there and hang out and put your you know, and
then they then you gotta get out and then but
it's always gonna be the Laker House. So I just
think that dark cloud is gonna be removed when they
get into their own building. You know, because even when
I played there, uh Colin and Jason, I just it
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was just untimely injuries and it just seemed like some
untimely happens every single year.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Now was the medical staff up the snuff there was
as good as the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I mean, you got all the best of the best.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I mean, this is Los Angeles, you got us La,
all the doctors is coming from over there, and you
got the best of the best. But it's just like
when I was there, Break Blake got hurt. CP three
got hurt. And now you see every year it's either
Kawhi or Paul George. It's just like something. And these
are years where you're like, Okay, this team could content
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for a title.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
They got they have an excellent roster, right.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah, yeah, And this is a team you feel like,
all right, they could content for a title, but unfortunately,
right now Kawhi is dealing with injuries, and it just
seemed like it's the same song every year. So I
just feel like when they get some new energy in
a new building, things are kind of refresh, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So that's just me, That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So I have defended Darvin ham on this is that
the Bucks, the Lakers, and the Sixers have superstar players
and it's not a coincidence they've each had three coaches
in six years. So in the NBA, the star player
grumbles to his agent the agent calls the media and
says coach lost the locker room. But the truth is
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Malone went seven years without winning. The guy in Oklahoma
City couldn't make the playoffs for three years. Is that?
When I watched the Lakers played, I think it's a
flawed team. Ruy didn't show up for two games, Delos
hitting miss against the Nuggets. Yeah, and the only player
I could depend on offensively late in the games was
usually Austin Reeves and Lebron, whereas they got Porter and
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Murray and Yok and KCP is one of the most
underad dudes in the league. Yeah, I saw a Laker
team that played their arse off. They played hard. Now
when you look at them, what do you see?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
They just don't have enough defensively.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
We we always tend to look at the offensive prowess
between you know, A D Lebron and teams. You know,
the first thing we always look at in the stash
sheets is the score. All right, well, I'll tell you one.
I'll tell you one stat and this is about the
Celtics because we got to talk a little.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, Jason Tatum went four to nine, played over thirty
minutes and they won by thirty.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You know why, because they can defend.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, and yeah they're.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Nor talented, they're deeper and everything, but defense wins championships.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And the Lakers just didn't have a consistent.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Enough defense or reliable defense to where they can get
stops down the stretch because they got the guys who
could score to win ball games. And so when you
don't have that dependable defense down the stretch, I mean,
it just seemed like every game was the same. Okay,
you play for stretches of defense, you have moments, but
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you just couldn't put nothing consistently together. And so the
talent was there? Is it the coach? Somebody's escapegoat every year?
You know, it can't be the coaches every time. It's
time for the players to start looking in the mirror.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So it's interesting we romanticize. Somebody once said this, and
I thought it was I forget who said it. They
said a lot of the athletes, the way they treat people,
you never want them as a boss. Like Michael Jordan,
he's hard to play with, but we romanticize that, like
Kobe could be rough to play with. If you read
the book Three Ring Circus, Uh, Kobe was a lot
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to do. So then there's Jason Tatum. Uh, he's a
nice guy. Everybody likes him. And there's and I watched them,
and I think, if you look at most NBA champions,
I mean Shaq and Kobe were they were killers. And
by the way, KG, Paul Pierce, you guys dogs dogs,
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And then you look at Boston and you're like, Jason
Tatum is a nice guy. And part of me is like,
do you have to have that? Get me the ball,
get out of here? Because I think Tatum likes to share,
likes to help, likes to lubricate the offense. He's not
always doesn't always want to take the big shut. And
that's when I watch him, I think, do you have
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to have that?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I think he has it.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I think he has some weather we don't maybe we
don't see it all the time. But when I go
back and I look at what you did last year
to the Sixers, And when I go back and when
he has a forty fifty point game in uh in Philadelphia,
and then I go back and it was a huge game,
it's a swing game.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
They lose.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
And then when I go back and I look at
that game seven in Milwaukee, I mean, you can't tell
me that's not kind of like a dog dog games
just because he don't come out as a raw row
type person guy.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
No, not a big trash talking guy.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And you know he don't hear you know, he just
don't come off that way.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
When he talks is kind of like subtle. Yeah. So
you know that's why.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
We we kind of build him with that, you know,
personality wise. But I've seen some Doll games where I
was like, I mean, he had fifty five in the
All Star Game.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I mean, you gotta have you gotta have some type
of drive competitive.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I know the All Star Game is not as competitive
as it used to be, but you gotta have a
mentality to go out.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
There and do it.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
And so but they have some guys on the team
like that, like I mean Drew Holliday, Dog, Jayleen.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Brown, Oh, he got it.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
He's feisty.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
So you know, I wouldn't call that a knock on
him because he's shown in big moments he can come
up big.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah. So we like to say that markets don't matter,
but if you go to when I grew up, the
first face of the league was probably Jerry West La
Magic La Bird Boston, Yeah, Michael Jordan, Chicago, Shaq, Kobe
La Tim Duncan was never the face of the league.
Lebron is the only small market guy that's been the
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face of the league. And he was a star coming
out of high school.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
The chosen one was his Nick cat right. So it's
interesting we say markets don't matter. But you know, I
look at the NBA right now and I'm thinking, who's
the face of the league. Now, First of all, you
have to want it. Jokis doesn't want it, no, so
you have to want it. And then I look at
Ant and I think, well he wants but it's Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
It's not that they don't want it, Colin, it's who
gravitates towards you.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
It's who are the people gravitating toward.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
You can say Jannis, Joker and b Tatum, all these
guys are the best players, But the people who choose
the face of the league, that's who the people gravitate toward.
And right now a lot of people are gravitating toward
Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
They're like, man, you know when you see him in
his interviews, man.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
He talked like me He's just a normal dude. He say,
he looking at his own highlight. He just he don't
come on, he coming off real authentic. I mean, he
got the flair, the personality, the games, the game, and
right now you just see the kids gravitating toward that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I think John Morant had a chance. But then personally
where his aunt is all basketball.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
It's all basketball. You don't have nothing to say really
about him outside of it. Oh whatever girl stuff, whatever, whatever.
But I mean people are like, man, I can relate
to him. I can gra man, he just just the
way he talks. It's feel like he's talking right to you. Yeah,
you know, and it's interviews. Yes, it feels naturally real,
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Like when he's sitting there with well Carl Towns and
he was like, man, you need to just stop fouling
so damn much.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You know, it's just like, oh, that's how people are
talking to Jaim.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Yeah, that's like at the gym, and you relate to
that and you gravitate toward that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
So he's on this way. You know, it can be telling.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Um, you know, I mean just personality wise and charisma wise,
Anthony is is checking all the boxes.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Paul Pierce joining us for a radio audience the finals, MVP,
the ten time NBA All Star. I want to go
back to your Boston days because it was it was
really one. I'm a believer outside of Lebron and the
Celtics usually that the baking in the ovens better than
the microwave. We think you could just go grab All Stars,
but really, Denver was baked right now. Oklahoma City, bak
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you guys. Lebron Okay, he wins everywhere and you guys,
So all these experiments Barkley and Pippin went to Houston
didn't Yeah, the Suns didn't work. Brooklyn didn't work. You
guys worked, and you were big personalities. Yeah, so I
want to know why because ray Allen had to go
from the one to the two or the three?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, why did it work?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
In Boston?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I think we were just old and desperate. All of
us had the All Star Games and had money.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
They had money. I mean we were like what else
is left?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I mean we're old. I'm thirty KG one race thirty two.
We're like, man, come on, we gotta win. We didn't accomplish.
We'd just scored the ball as many points, shot as
many three Defensive Player of the Year. Kevin won that year,
but he won an Envy So it was just like, man,
we don't got a lot of time left we we
you know. Docs he laid out the plan. Yeah, he
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laid out the plan because we was on the duck boat.
We took a ride on the duck boat before the
season started. We jumped on and rolled around the city
just us, US four, just us.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
By the way, for people that don't know this, if
you've never been to Boston, they have duck boats everywhere. Yeah, everywhere,
and they can drive and then they go into the
water and it's a big thing in Boston.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It's a huge thing in Boston outside the clam chowder.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
But you uh, we rolled the duck boat around the
city so people can see us, waving at us, and
he was.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Like, all right.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Casey was like, you think we can win this year.
He's like, we gotta win it this year the first
year because usually it takes time to kind of get
to know each other. And he was like, what you
think our window is? It's I think we got a
three year window because y'all old as hell.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
You know what I'm saying. So we got a three
year and that was our window.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Thank god we won it the first year because the
next year Kevin got hurt and then we went back
to the finals in twenty ten, and so that was
our chance. We said, we can probably get two out
of three. That was our We said this, how many
you think you can get? Doc, He said, we can
if we can squeeze two out of three legends. Yeah,
and so we got to the finals. But as you
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all know, we wasn't as the healthiest team. But it
was a good run, you know, for the short period
of time. And you know, if we got together a
little younger, like four or five years earlier, we could
have been sitting on China.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It was really interesting though, because and I felt this
with the Heatls a little bit, is that I did
feel the guys liked each other, which is not easy
because in the NFL offensive and defensive players they don't
even practice together a lot. In baseball, a third of
the rosters in the bullpen. In the NBA there's a
small roster. They're all in the same restaurants playing like
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if you one guy can screw up a locker room. Absolutely,
And it was like you went three years and you guys.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Were or one girlfriend or one wife can screw up
a locker room.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh, I've heard stories.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
So a lot of things has to go right, and
it didn't.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yes, Yeah, I mean I think because me and Garnett
was already friends.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
We knew each other since high school.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Okay, so you know, I think we just left our
egos at the door and they raced.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Chill and Kevin already knew Ray.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I didn't have a relationship prior to to Boston with Ray,
but Ray's respected, you know, And so when we got there.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
The good thing is we talked every day on the phone,
damn there.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
When we got when the trade happened, we was on
three way call, like when we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Get the Boston, let's start playing what's up? What y'all?
Y'all good?
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Were talking like every week every other day. Wow, right
out the gate.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, So I said about the Phoenix Suns because boy,
I whiffed on that I had him in the Western Conference.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I'm going to the finals before the season when they
made the trade. Yeah, I predicted them.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
In the finals.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So I I will make the argument that Vogel actually
he's great with Biggs and they didn't give him a
great one. And he had no point guard, so it
wasn't built. It was a Mike d'antni roster with Frank
Vogel the coach. So be that as it may. I
do think the Knicks are a You don't want somebody
to take the ball to Jalen Brunson's hands. Kevin doesn't.
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You can give him the ball with five seconds letting
the shot. I think i'd move Kevin Keith Booker. Now
I'm not being anti Kevin, but I think Chicago to
get past the Minnesota. Okay, see those teams are want
to gett better Denver, Boston, they gotta make a move, right.
What do you make of the KD to New York idea.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
That's a great idea, and you don't want to take
the ball out of Brunson's hand, But I'm not sure
he really fits that New York mode.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
They're grinders.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, they ain't like if things go south with KD.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
And we already know how he is when people start
talking bad about him, and if the New York media
jumps on him, he not gonna like that.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You know that?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I know?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
I mean so, if there is a player and you
have to have some more star power.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think I think maybe Paul George.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
He DEFENDSS, but then what do you do with you
play him in Anernobi They kind of like the same position.
But I think you do need another guy to take
pressure off bruntson.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, he's playing hard, minutes, long minutes. They're asking
a lot of him.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Maybe if Katie is willing to take a step back.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think he is doesn't want to be the leader.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, that makes it work. I mean, that make
it work.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
We were talking about this, how I think the NBA,
with all these small market and European influences, I think
the league needs New York. So go back to your
I mean the Celtics and the Knicks or rivals. But
the Celtics just have dominated it. But when you played
in the Garden, did it feel different?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It definitely feels different.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
You feel like it feels like I feel like I'm
in this feels like the garden.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Actually it's dark, you can't.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
See the crowd, but the stage is lit. It's that's
no arena. Does that you know there's no other arena?
I could think like the stage. It's like a stage
is lit and the crowd is dark and it's just
like the spotlights on you.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I loved I always played well in New York.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I got a few game winners, you know, I got
I got a I got a nice little collage of
game winners in the garden.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
They never get old, do they?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I never get old. I love playing there. Just slapping
Spike Lee on the head. Look at watching him in discuss.
Oh man, you gotta love it.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I know I love watching the game. Hey man, it's
a real pleasure to have you. We we I know
you're busy.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, man, No, that's great. Now. I'm glad we had
a chance to sit down.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Fine, and I'm just out of here a talking head
with gray hair. But you've been really nice to me
and I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Man. No, it's all love. It's all love.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
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Speaker 1 (21:59):
Paul. That was great to have him on the show.
Kansas Celtics Year two of the clips they can played
for the Wizards one year, didn't he? I think one
one year of the Wizards. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
On the news, This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'll start with the Celtics, who were an easy winner
over the Heat last night. I think they hit seven
threes in the first quarter, and yeah, I basically turned
the game off. It avenged last season's conference finals lost.
Jason Tatum had another monster game. He said, it shows
how the Celtics are learning from their mistakes and the
win was necessary for Boston's maturation as a team.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Not mentioned, Jimmy Butler missed the game. Terry rose Here
missed the game.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Him Hakez, the former UCLA kid who's who had a
good series.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He was out. So like, I don't I don't put
any stock in this beatdown.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Well, yeah, I mean if Jimmy Butler, if they're not
the kind of team they don't have enough good offensive,
reliable player fam gives you eighteen, you know it's he's not.
I mean, the the Celtics don't need Porzingis and they
could drop one hundred and twenty points.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
They don't need they don't need him against the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, but I mean Jalen Brown, Tatum, Derrick White, you
could get to one hundred and fifteen without porzingis no
Jimmy Butler, no team.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It might be the regional connection, but when I'm watching
Boston in the series, they're winning every game. They win
by like twenty plus. Yes, they remind me of Yukon
from the NCAA tournament. Now, how Yukon's just steamrolling people
like it's just like they're they're loaded and next up
would be Cleveland or Orlandoh.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
They'll run through them. Well, we said before the playoffs
they need they need to either sweep or gentleman sweep
everybody in the East. I thought Philadelphia had the personnel
to make it uncomfortable. The pressure would all be on Boston.
I don't think New York, Cleveland, Orlando, they just don't
match up. And I think whoever comes out of Philly
New York, it's a pretty draining series. Boston's gonna be
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rest one. No clone games. So I mean Boston's like
the better team, more rest, not as dependent on one guy.
I think they would take care of him. Well, New York,
he went a home game and that's about it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, I'm looking at the lines.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
It was eight pacers yesterday, it's down to five so
I wonder if somebody got winned that maybe Dame will
give it a go or Yannis, so that bears monitoring well.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
We I think we both thought if Janni's played four games,
they'd win this series. He hasn't, so it's Indiana series.
That's not really an upset. If you don't have Giannis
and Dame, that's not an upset, los On.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Next up is the New York Knicks tonight, big game
against the Sixers. Colin. I know you're fired up, but
people can't stop talking about the potential of them landing
a superstar this offseason, and now they're being linked to
Devin Booker. Remember we had a wager this week. You
had Booker getting traded.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I had KD.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But the report reveals the Knicks have been interested in
Booker for several years and New York would be willing
to offer almost anything to pair him with Jalen Brunson.
And as another note, one of our guys here realized
that Nick's president, Leon Rose used to be Devin Booker's agent.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Now, NETZAA. Booker is not Klay Thompson, but he can
catch and shoot it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Oh, he's better than Clay Thomas.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You know I'm saying in terms that he doesn't need
the ball offensively, He's not going to take it out
of He's not Luca, he's not Lebron where that would
get in the way of Jalen Brunson. You can put
him on the wing. He can't catch and shoot it,
and that's the kind of guy that fits with him.
And he's also in his prime. So, like we talked
about this, you think the Sons are in big trouble,
you could get a Hall.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I just I can't see Phoenix trading a guy who
they drafted and is like their franchise guy. You want
him to be your steph Current. You want Devin Booker
in Phoenix forever. I don't see why you would trade it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
That's true, right, don't So to get a Haul, you
get a Hall for Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
The real question is are the Knicks willing to break
up the Villanova guys. Apparently Devincenzo is the only guy
that willing to trade Knicks fans, at least Josh Hart
everybody loves him.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Obviously, we love our Villanova guys. We do. Steven Senzo
shot at poorly, was kind of bent in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
He's Ethan. I feel like he's he's a tough guy,
he's an energy guy. He can get hot, hit some threes.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Didn't get like seven threes in the night.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I mean, he's a he's he he feels so East Coach,
so Villanova. So he's like a perfect.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Nick, the Knicks of I don't think they've been this
interesting this century. I'm sorry to Carmelo Anthony. Even the
Jeremy Lynne moments, for.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I didn't very short live.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
This is like a real team.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
People are excited about Himyah, and they've been there, then
I can say this. James Dolan has stepped back and
he's letting them, maybe because he trusts him. He's letting
the basketball people do his thing. And also James Dolan,
he created the sphere, so that was his attention for
several years. So like James Dolan has moved out of
it and lets his basketball people do it. So I
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don't look at them like I looked at him five
years ago when it felt like he was more involved.
And that's nothing against him. I just I don't love
owners breathing down a GM and a coach's neck. The
best owner, Robert Kraft hire a coach, the Hunt family,
hire a coach, get out of his way now that
the coach, make sure you hire the right coach. But
it's I think the Knicks now feel well constructed and
(27:12):
the owners step back. He's letting the basketball people do
their thing. I like where they're going.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Assuming they get the win tonight, win the series. It
feels like they are a player away. I mean, yeah,
is that okay? The one player away from winning the time?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Nice wing player away from winning the Time.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And just to be clear to all the haters out there,
if Kevin Durant comes to New York, it's still Jalen
Brunson's team.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He's the one. Yes, Kd's the two. Okay, you's got
to make that clear for some people.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Now, the question is how many rotational players do you
want to give up? I give up draft picks, I
don't care. But yeah, they've got like four or five. Yeah,
the nixt chemistry is excellent. You can't just start shipping
out Josh Hartz left and right. They're essential to this team.
So you got to get somebody who comes in and understands, hey,
this is Jalen's team. We need you to score twenty five.
But it's kind of Jalen's team. I think KD would
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accept that Katie didn't go to Phoenix one today. Seize
control of the team you wanted to win games.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Final story Atlanta Falcons, Colin. We are going to talk
about this frequently. People are probably getting worn down. But
I'm just they were obsessed with trading up in the draft,
not just getting Pennis at eight, but they tried to
get back and they went to the Jets trying to
get into the top ten after the Penis pick.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
According to Steve Weisch, who.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Has been an Atlanta fixer forever, the target the Falcons
were targeting UCLA's Lattu lat Tou.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
He's the best pass rusher in the draft. He was
I like him a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
There was some medical red flag, but this is interesting there.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
You mentioned earlier that the Texans last year went for
Will Anderson at worked.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So the Texans feeling was, if we have a left tackle,
we have weapons, if we get the quarterback and an
edge rusher. We got the four boxes. Checked with our
coach Atlanta the same thing. They got Panics, and they thought,
if we can get a lat Tou Latsu who didn't
go till like fifteen or sixteen to the Colts. If
we can get him, we're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So you saw the Vikings also did a similar thing.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
They got their quarterback, then they traded up to get
the kid Turner from Alabama and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
People you know Falcon.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Sorry, Vikings fans are not thrilled with that because they
gave up draft capitals, a lot of draft capital.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But to your point, listen, if you hit on the
edge rusher, you.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Can have holes all over your roster. Cincinnati had a
battle line and got to the super Bowl. The Rams
weren't good at safety your linebacker and got there. If
you are good at it, coach, quarterback, left tackle, ed
rusher and two weapons, you can get to a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Will Anderson's was a top five guy, like he was
a slammed boy.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Will Anderson.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't think they're in that clutch, but there.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I think law Too is really good. I think Jared
Verse is really good. I think yeah, yeah, Chop Robinson,
I don't think he's in that class. Penn State kid.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (30:56):
Show is Flying by today. So here's a rumor. Lakers rumor.
An executive says Lebron James would prefer ty Lou as
his head coach. Quote, that's his guy. So yeah, Tyleru
and Lebron went back and forth. I mean, Tylo's confrontational,
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so he won't get pushed around. But Tylu only has
one year left on his contract. You can trade a coach.
Jason Kidd got traded for a couple of picks. Pat
Riley got traded. I think Nick to Miami for like
a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You can do it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
It's not it's doable, it's not illegal. But I don't
think Steve Balmer would allow, even with one year left
at seven million dollars, would allow his franchise to be
embarrassed going into a new arena. But five NBA coaches
have been traded. My thing when it comes to the
Clippers and ty Lou and Lebron and the Lakers, says,
(31:54):
does ty Lou want to remain with this circus? So,
I mean, it's it's just really crazy. And I said
this earlier. When you have these big cities like Chicago,
New York and LA and they have two teams in
the same sport. There's always a big brother and a
little brother. And even though there was an eight year
(32:15):
period when the Clippers made the playoffs seven times and
the Lakers in that period only made it twice and
you had Lob City, Balmer's much richer than Genie Buss.
The arena is going to be spectacul or probably blow
away Crypto arena. The truth is it won't matter. It
doesn't matter. Alabama will always be bigger than Auburn, and
Michigan will always be bigger than Michigan State. Nick Saban
(32:36):
was at Michigan State, Michigan was still bigger. Didn't matter
if Auburn beats Alabama. When Cam new, it doesn't matter.
Alabama's always going to be bigger. This is a Laker city.
It'll always be a Laker city. And you know, tylu
could be the head coach of it. The truth is
the Clippers roster top to bottom, has more good players.
It's more even more wing defenders, which are crucial in
(32:59):
the NBA. But it's also got more drama. The Lakers
don't really have a lot of drama in the organization.
They don't. They had Westbrook, they moved off him. The
Clippers are constant drama. Paul Pierce talked about it earlier.
The Lakers don't have drama. They don't have enough defenders
on the wing, and they need to get like another
star player at Trey Young. But my question with ty
Lou is how long do you want to coach this
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because there are organizations you go look at the Jets
in New York, even when the Giants have been down
for ten years and Jets can't take advantage of it.
I mean, the Yankees had a terrible season last year.
The Mets were a tire fire. So you look at
these situations the big brand and I don't know if
(33:42):
it's a lot of times it's there's finance behind it.
The bottom line is when the Lakers and the Clippers
go to negotiate local cable deals, the Lakers get top
dollar and the Clippers don't. That's why Balmer saw that
immediately and had to bring in stars so we can
get a better local cable deal. But it's just whenever
you go to New York LA Chicago and you get
(34:03):
two teams, it doesn't matter how I'm trying to think
of an organization. I mean, the White Sox won a
World Series in the early nineties for an hour, they
but Chicago. The Cubs are in Wrigleyville. It's considered a
cooler place in town. They're the cooler franchise. They have
Wrigley Field, which is considered, you know, the better of
the two stadiums, and they'll always be the better. Was
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there ever a time the Mets had a moment, the
Keith Hernandez teams, Lenny Dyke stre they had a moment,
and the Yankees were down in the eighties, But it
always reverts back to the Yankees because the Yankees are
a better asset, So they'll get a better ownership group,
they'll get a better cable deal, they'll have more money,
get better players, and eventually those better players will hit.
That's the Lakers. They're gonna make much more money on
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a local cable deal. They're going to attract even despite
Steve Ballmer, They're going to attract more big time free agents.
So I mean that Anthony Davis could have gone either place.
Anthony was steered to the Lakers. Lebron could have gone
to either place. Lebron chose the Lakers. I mean, remember
when Lebron chose the Lakers. They were a bit of
(35:08):
a mess for many years. He went to the big
brand when Harbaugh, I know he went to Michigan, but
Nick Saban could have gone to Auburn. He chose Alabama.
The reality is big brands almost always rebound. USC's been
down for a while, but Lincoln Riley didn't leave Oklahoma
for UCLA. He left it for USC. The big brands
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always end up back pivoting back on top.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I just wonder Bohmer has so much money. I think
he's the wealthiest owner.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
In the end. He is. He is.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
He's just gonna pay Tyler whatever. Don't go to the Lakers.
Here's an extra five to ten million dollars.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
He can do that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
No, he can't, and he's probably going into a new arena.
He can't go in there with a thirty win team.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You think it's crazy on this, but the Lakers they
don't want dead like cap money on coaches like the Cowboys.
It doesn't matter, it doesn't it's a rounding air. People
don't understand this, the difference in money in the NFL.
To sign a player, you have to have money in
the bank. In the NFL, the Raiders are a poor franchise.
The Rams are a rich franchise. Jacksonville's a poor franchise.
(36:13):
You think the Giants are rich, but the Mara family
is not even close to Stan Kronkey, not even close
to the Allen family. Jody Allen in Seattle and all
that Microsoft money. So Steve Ballmer could buy and sell
Genie bust and the Lakers seven times over. So for
her to have a seven, for Steve Balmer to say,
here's another five, you make twelve million a year, the
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Lakers couldn't do that. They don't want to get rid
of coaches and have You don't want to be paying
three coaches. The Lakers are not as cash rich as
everybody thinks, and fans tend to think, well, everybody's doing
the same salary cap.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
A couple of years ago the Rams had a receiver.
They went and got Alan Robinson. Oh it just didn't work.
Whatever it didn't work, it's wrote a check and got
him out of town when they had goff paid him
and then paid Matt Stafford. Five teams in the league
could have done that, just written the checks. We don't care.
Stan Kronky's one of the few. So I think fans
think well, it's all the same salary cap.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You gotta have that money in the bank. No, it's not.
The Cincinnati Bengals don't have nearly the money as the
La Rams. But in terms of brands, the Lakers again,
Paul George is a nice player. Lebron's a legend, Kawhi
is a nice player. Eighty is better. So if you
take the four players that could have gone either way,
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eighty Lebron, Kawhi Paul George, the two best chose the Lakers. Well,
a lot of that is rich. Paul, the brand is better.
You know, you're gonna sell more shoes as a Laker
than a Clipper. It's just a reality.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
And people can bag on Lebron and the Lakers. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
They won a championship. Kawhi Leonard has not been to
the finals with the Clippers. He's ever healthy in the playoffs.
I mean, go look at the track record. So people
can bag on Lebron all they want. He has a
chip with the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Now something Kawhi is not done.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
He's got chip with everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
But yeah, everywhere he goes, he wins titles. That's like
what he does.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, Paul George Kawhi Leonard, I know I want in Toronto,
but since he got to the Clippers, there's no other
way to say it's been a disappointment than what they've
accomplished in the playoffs, which is hurt every year one
or both.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Of those guys.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, it is, it's it's it's not as even as
people think. I hung out this weekend with a friend
of mine, Steve Kaime, and you know, a lot of
this stuff it doesn't make the air, but there's you
know a lot of backstories I get that can kind
of fill in information holes I may have about there
is a gigantic gap in owner oh capital. And like
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he is, Steve Kaime, I asked him who's the best
running organization and he said, Baltimore is the standard in
Arizona thirtieth or well I would We're not going to
get into that, but he said, he said, there is
definitely a bottom six to seven in the league in
terms of the capital, the maturity. You know, people forget this.
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If you are working at that bottom six seven, you
don't have the quality of scouts the Baltimore Ravens do
or the Kansas City Chiefs do. Yeah, I mean there's
bidding wars for scouts. The best teams have the best scouts,
and the best for not they pay more so that
you like the Chicago Bears, I'll be honest with you,
Cincinnati Bengals, they can be cheap. You don't get the best.
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That's why Ryan Poles crossed your fingers. He looks like
they'll say they found a young star, Brad Holmes. Detroit
found a young star. But people forget this. We always
look to the GM or you look to the quarterback.
If you look at losing operations, it is overwhelmingly there
is one thread. It's the owner. There's a reason the
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Steelers Ohwa's draft well, and the Ravens almost Owa's draft well,
and the Rams now almost draft well all the time.
Green Bay doesn't have an owner, but they've got such
a strong culture they almost Oway's draft well.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
But you don't just develop a culture overnight. That's got
to be built.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
An ingrained in a year comes from the top down.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Always philosophy. If you don't have one, you're not going
to succeed.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Culture is not built by players. I would argue it
can be built. McVeigh proves it can be built by
a coach, but a lot of what Kansas City. Kansas
City has been good, rarely bad, mostly good. Now great, Well,
it's the family. It's upstairs.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Do my Jets have a philosophy or anything close to one,
anything resembling one.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A culture.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
They're trying to build one. They've tried for a long
time Without one, you've just been in your wheels.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
That's why I have Buffalo winning the division again. They
do have a culture. Our three coming up next,
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go our number two, Paul Pierce,
right around the corner. Never had Paul the show. I
don't think so. Best dressed guide the network live in La.
It's the Herd wherever you may may be and however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. J McK and I went out last night.
Some chicken wings, little beverage, not too many, just enough
(00:47):
to feel good about what we were watching with the Mavericks.
Kyrie was spectacular.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Last night and with the waitress took a couple photos
of us and Colard had to reject the first set
of photos. I'mhappy with them. Second set I had to
crop out the adult beverages. I don't want to send
a bad sign to the teenagers.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, the teenagers, they think we're home, going to bed
at eight. It's not the truth. We're out there rolling
last night chicken wings and.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Free heavy Yeah, big night.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The kids out there like those guys are upstanding citizens. Nah,
it's not what's happening. Okay. So I'm hearing all these
stories about Caleb Williams, and I know we tend to
in this business, you know, hype people up and get
a little hyper. The Caleb Williams sing in Chicago. Though again,
you're not being hyper. I said, I thought they had
the best off season of any team. They're gonna look
(01:36):
completely different. Think about this. The last number one quarterback
picks we went back this morning, the last several. Bryce
Young literally did not have a number one or number
two receiver and a battle line, no talent. The previous
number one quarterback to him was Trevor Lawrence. He got
a college head coach that never coached in the NFL
(01:57):
and frankly admitted he didn't watch much NFL and a
bad roster Joe Burrow, horrible offensive line, historically cheap owner,
no momentum in the franchise. We didn't know if Zach
Taylor could coach Kyler Murray Arizona, nuff said Baker Mayfield,
(02:18):
Cleveland even less needs to be said Arizona Cleveland. But
Chicago's different. Chicago didn't get the number one pick because
they stink. They got the number one pick from Carolina.
They stunk. Chicago won seven games in a good division,
so there's players here. Secondly, I think right now they
have a top seven or eight offensive tackle, receiver, tight end,
(02:42):
running back situation, so there's no reason to look at
this even their coach. And I have my reservations on
Matt Eberflus. I'm not sure yet, but Brandon Staley with
the Chargers was a defensive coach and their defense was awful.
He couldn't get that right. The minute Zach Taylor got
Joe Burrow, it's like, oh, okay, he can coach. Now.
(03:05):
We don't know if Zach Taylor is going to be
Andy Reid er Belichick, but we know he knows offense.
You can watch how clever it is. They move the
ball up and down on everybody. And Matt Eberflus when
they got him Montese sweat. Did you look at the
last six weeks of the Chicago Bears defense. It was
number one in the NFL and points allowed number one
(03:25):
in the NFL. In interceptions and number three in opponent
passer rating. So the minute you got him an elite
defensive lineman, eber Flus was great. Now, I don't know.
These defensive coaches often aren't great with the offensive side
of the ball. But I know Eberflus isn't a fraud.
I know he can coach. He knows his side of
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the ball. Like Sean McDermott. He can drive me crazy.
Mike Tomlin on the offensive side, but mcdermot's a hell
of a coach on defense. Defense is always when it's
healthy good Tomlin's an excellent defensive coach. They always generate
a pass rush. So Matt Eberfluch knows defense. So that's
the big question, not talent. Well can eber flues Well
we know we know he knows his side of the ball.
(04:08):
We have seen coaches get jobs in this league that
don't know their side of the ball. So when people
criticize Lincoln Riley, I'm like, they've led the nation in
offense the last two years with like two NFL players.
Now they can't figure the defense out. But he knows
his side of the ball. It's the first thing I
look at. And with that, we've been watching him on
Undisputed and we say, hey, man, if you get time,
(04:29):
we'd love to have you on the show. He's a
busy guy. He's got to drive out to the valley,
but he made time for us today, the ten time
All Star Paul Pierce joining us in the herd. Look
at Paul the dapper. Yeah, it is good to see you. Yeah,
what you look like you could still play. You ever
go out and wreck league? It a little bit, a
(04:50):
little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Today you're playing tonight. Yeah, plants tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now, when you were a great defensive player in the league,
that's good enough. You defend when you go out and play.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
They like the NBA today, the new NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I just go on shoot threes.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You know, when we were talking about this last night,
there are some organizations that rise. The Yankees and Alabama
football and the Lakers. I mean, the Lakers are a
flawed roster, but historically in the big games, Celtics have
a lot. And I watched the Clippers last night and
I'm like, okay, this is a moment and it was
like the ghost of Clippers past arrived. It was their
(05:29):
worst playoff loss in history. So I want to ask
you you played for Kansas Boston. So you won a
lot of games, and those are legendary, iconic basketball organizations.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Does the Clippers from the outside looking in look like
not that it's haunted, but there's something hanging on the
franchise in big spots.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, I truly believe.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
And I said this before, I think they got a
dark cloud over them. And I think the only way
that dark cloud is going to get removed is when
they move into their own building next year.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I truly believe that.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
You know, they shared the building there in the shadow
of the Lakers, y'all.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, you share locker rooms and stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
It's the Lakers building, you know, it's they crib, and
you just kind of lease it out. You go in
there and hang out and put your you know, and
then they then you gotta get out and then but
it's always gonna be the Laker House. So I just
think that dark cloud is gonna be removed when they
get into their own building. You know, because even when
I played there, uh Colin and Jason, I just it
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was just untimely injuries and it just seemed like some
untimely happens every single year.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Now was the medical staff up the snuff there was
as good as the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I mean, you got all the best of the best.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I mean, this is Los Angeles, you got us La,
all the doctors is coming from over there, and you
got the best of the best. But it's just like
when I was there, Break Blake got hurt. CP three
got hurt. And now you see every year it's either
Kawhi or Paul George. It's just like something. And these
are years where you're like, Okay, this team could content
(07:09):
for a title.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
They got they have an excellent roster, right.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah, yeah, And this is a team you feel like,
all right, they could content for a title, but unfortunately,
right now Kawhi is dealing with injuries, and it just
seemed like it's the same song every year. So I
just feel like when they get some new energy in
a new building, things are kind of refresh, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So that's just me, That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So I have defended Darvin ham on this is that
the Bucks, the Lakers, and the Sixers have superstar players
and it's not a coincidence they've each had three coaches
in six years. So in the NBA, the star player
grumbles to his agent the agent calls the media and
says coach lost the locker room. But the truth is
(07:53):
Malone went seven years without winning. The guy in Oklahoma
City couldn't make the playoffs for three years. Is that?
When I watched the Lakers played, I think it's a
flawed team. Ruy didn't show up for two games, Delos
hitting miss against the Nuggets. Yeah, and the only player
I could depend on offensively late in the games was
usually Austin Reeves and Lebron, whereas they got Porter and
(08:14):
Murray and Yok and KCP is one of the most
underad dudes in the league. Yeah, I saw a Laker
team that played their arse off. They played hard. Now
when you look at them, what do you see?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
They just don't have enough defensively.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
We we always tend to look at the offensive prowess
between you know, A D Lebron and teams. You know,
the first thing we always look at in the stash
sheets is the score. All right, well, I'll tell you one.
I'll tell you one stat and this is about the
Celtics because we got to talk a little.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, Jason Tatum went four to nine, played over thirty
minutes and they won by thirty.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You know why, because they can defend.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, and yeah they're.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Nor talented, they're deeper and everything, but defense wins championships.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And the Lakers just didn't have a consistent.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Enough defense or reliable defense to where they can get
stops down the stretch because they got the guys who
could score to win ball games. And so when you
don't have that dependable defense down the stretch, I mean,
it just seemed like every game was the same. Okay,
you play for stretches of defense, you have moments, but
(09:29):
you just couldn't put nothing consistently together. And so the
talent was there? Is it the coach? Somebody's escapegoat every year?
You know, it can't be the coaches every time. It's
time for the players to start looking in the mirror.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So it's interesting we romanticize. Somebody once said this, and
I thought it was I forget who said it. They
said a lot of the athletes, the way they treat people,
you never want them as a boss. Like Michael Jordan,
he's hard to play with, but we romanticize that, like
Kobe could be rough to play with. If you read
the book Three Ring Circus, Uh, Kobe was a lot
(10:11):
to do. So then there's Jason Tatum. Uh, he's a
nice guy. Everybody likes him. And there's and I watched them,
and I think, if you look at most NBA champions,
I mean Shaq and Kobe were they were killers. And
by the way, KG, Paul Pierce, you guys dogs dogs,
(10:31):
And then you look at Boston and you're like, Jason
Tatum is a nice guy. And part of me is like,
do you have to have that? Get me the ball,
get out of here? Because I think Tatum likes to share,
likes to help, likes to lubricate the offense. He's not
always doesn't always want to take the big shut. And
that's when I watch him, I think, do you have
(10:53):
to have that?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I think he has it.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I think he has some weather we don't maybe we
don't see it all the time. But when I go
back and I look at what you did last year
to the Sixers, And when I go back and when
he has a forty fifty point game in uh in Philadelphia,
and then I go back and it was a huge game,
it's a swing game.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
They lose.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
And then when I go back and I look at
that game seven in Milwaukee, I mean, you can't tell
me that's not kind of like a dog dog games
just because he don't come out as a raw row
type person guy.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
No, not a big trash talking guy.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And you know he don't hear you know, he just
don't come off that way.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
When he talks is kind of like subtle. Yeah. So
you know that's why.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
We we kind of build him with that, you know,
personality wise. But I've seen some Doll games where I
was like, I mean, he had fifty five in the
All Star Game.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I mean, you gotta have you gotta have some type
of drive competitive.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I know the All Star Game is not as competitive
as it used to be, but you gotta have a
mentality to go out.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
There and do it.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
And so but they have some guys on the team
like that, like I mean Drew Holliday, Dog, Jayleen.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Brown, Oh, he got it.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
He's feisty.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
So you know, I wouldn't call that a knock on
him because he's shown in big moments he can come
up big.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah. So we like to say that markets don't matter,
but if you go to when I grew up, the
first face of the league was probably Jerry West La
Magic La Bird Boston, Yeah, Michael Jordan, Chicago, Shaq, Kobe
La Tim Duncan was never the face of the league.
Lebron is the only small market guy that's been the
(12:39):
face of the league. And he was a star coming
out of high school.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
The chosen one was his Nick cat right. So it's
interesting we say markets don't matter. But you know, I
look at the NBA right now and I'm thinking, who's
the face of the league. Now, First of all, you
have to want it. Jokis doesn't want it, no, so
you have to want it. And then I look at
Ant and I think, well he wants but it's Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
It's not that they don't want it, Colin, it's who
gravitates towards you.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
It's who are the people gravitating toward.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
You can say Jannis, Joker and b Tatum, all these
guys are the best players, But the people who choose
the face of the league, that's who the people gravitate toward.
And right now a lot of people are gravitating toward
Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
They're like, man, you know when you see him in
his interviews, man.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
He talked like me He's just a normal dude. He say,
he looking at his own highlight. He just he don't
come on, he coming off real authentic. I mean, he
got the flair, the personality, the games, the game, and
right now you just see the kids gravitating toward that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I think John Morant had a chance. But then personally
where his aunt is all basketball.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
It's all basketball. You don't have nothing to say really
about him outside of it. Oh whatever girl stuff, whatever, whatever.
But I mean people are like, man, I can relate
to him. I can gra man, he just just the
way he talks. It's feel like he's talking right to you. Yeah,
you know, and it's interviews. Yes, it feels naturally real,
(14:20):
Like when he's sitting there with well Carl Towns and
he was like, man, you need to just stop fouling
so damn much.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You know, it's just like, oh, that's how people are
talking to Jaim.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Yeah, that's like at the gym, and you relate to
that and you gravitate toward that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
So he's on this way. You know, it can be telling.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Um, you know, I mean just personality wise and charisma wise,
Anthony is is checking all the boxes.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Paul Pierce joining us for a radio audience the finals, MVP,
the ten time NBA All Star. I want to go
back to your Boston days because it was it was
really one. I'm a believer outside of Lebron and the
Celtics usually that the baking in the ovens better than
the microwave. We think you could just go grab All Stars,
but really, Denver was baked right now. Oklahoma City, bak
(15:09):
you guys. Lebron Okay, he wins everywhere and you guys,
So all these experiments Barkley and Pippin went to Houston
didn't Yeah, the Suns didn't work. Brooklyn didn't work. You
guys worked, and you were big personalities. Yeah, so I
want to know why because ray Allen had to go
from the one to the two or the three?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, why did it work?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
In Boston?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I think we were just old and desperate. All of
us had the All Star Games and had money.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
They had money. I mean we were like what else
is left?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I mean we're old. I'm thirty KG one race thirty two.
We're like, man, come on, we gotta win. We didn't accomplish.
We'd just scored the ball as many points, shot as
many three Defensive Player of the Year. Kevin won that year,
but he won an Envy So it was just like, man,
we don't got a lot of time left we we
you know. Docs he laid out the plan. Yeah, he
(16:07):
laid out the plan because we was on the duck boat.
We took a ride on the duck boat before the
season started. We jumped on and rolled around the city
just us, US four, just us.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
By the way, for people that don't know this, if
you've never been to Boston, they have duck boats everywhere. Yeah, everywhere,
and they can drive and then they go into the
water and it's a big thing in Boston.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It's a huge thing in Boston outside the clam chowder.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
But you uh, we rolled the duck boat around the
city so people can see us, waving at us, and
he was.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Like, all right.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Casey was like, you think we can win this year.
He's like, we gotta win it this year the first
year because usually it takes time to kind of get
to know each other. And he was like, what you
think our window is? It's I think we got a
three year window because y'all old as hell.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
You know what I'm saying. So we got a three
year and that was our window.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Thank god we won it the first year because the
next year Kevin got hurt and then we went back
to the finals in twenty ten, and so that was
our chance. We said, we can probably get two out
of three. That was our We said this, how many
you think you can get? Doc, He said, we can
if we can squeeze two out of three legends. Yeah,
and so we got to the finals. But as you
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all know, we wasn't as the healthiest team. But it
was a good run, you know, for the short period
of time. And you know, if we got together a
little younger, like four or five years earlier, we could
have been sitting on China.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It was really interesting though, because and I felt this
with the Heatls a little bit, is that I did
feel the guys liked each other, which is not easy
because in the NFL offensive and defensive players they don't
even practice together a lot. In baseball, a third of
the rosters in the bullpen. In the NBA there's a
small roster. They're all in the same restaurants playing like
(17:48):
if you one guy can screw up a locker room. Absolutely,
And it was like you went three years and you guys.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Were or one girlfriend or one wife can screw up
a locker room.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh, I've heard stories.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
So a lot of things has to go right, and
it didn't.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yes, Yeah, I mean I think because me and Garnett
was already friends.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
We knew each other since high school.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Okay, so you know, I think we just left our
egos at the door and they raced.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Chill and Kevin already knew Ray.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I didn't have a relationship prior to to Boston with Ray,
but Ray's respected, you know, And so when we got there.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
The good thing is we talked every day on the phone,
damn there.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
When we got when the trade happened, we was on
three way call, like when we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Get the Boston, let's start playing what's up? What y'all?
Y'all good?
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Were talking like every week every other day. Wow, right
out the gate.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, So I said about the Phoenix Suns because boy,
I whiffed on that I had him in the Western Conference.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I'm going to the finals before the season when they
made the trade. Yeah, I predicted them.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
In the finals.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So I I will make the argument that Vogel actually
he's great with Biggs and they didn't give him a
great one. And he had no point guard, so it
wasn't built. It was a Mike d'antni roster with Frank
Vogel the coach. So be that as it may. I
do think the Knicks are a You don't want somebody
to take the ball to Jalen Brunson's hands. Kevin doesn't.
(19:08):
You can give him the ball with five seconds letting
the shot. I think i'd move Kevin Keith Booker. Now
I'm not being anti Kevin, but I think Chicago to
get past the Minnesota. Okay, see those teams are want
to gett better Denver, Boston, they gotta make a move, right.
What do you make of the KD to New York idea.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
That's a great idea, and you don't want to take
the ball out of Brunson's hand, But I'm not sure
he really fits that New York mode.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
They're grinders.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, they ain't like if things go south with KD.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
And we already know how he is when people start
talking bad about him, and if the New York media
jumps on him, he not gonna like that.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You know that?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I know?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
I mean so, if there is a player and you
have to have some more star power.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think I think maybe Paul George.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
He DEFENDSS, but then what do you do with you
play him in Anernobi They kind of like the same position.
But I think you do need another guy to take
pressure off bruntson.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, he's playing hard, minutes, long minutes. They're asking
a lot of him.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Maybe if Katie is willing to take a step back.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think he is doesn't want to be the leader.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, that makes it work. I mean, that make
it work.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
We were talking about this, how I think the NBA,
with all these small market and European influences, I think
the league needs New York. So go back to your
I mean the Celtics and the Knicks or rivals. But
the Celtics just have dominated it. But when you played
in the Garden, did it feel different?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It definitely feels different.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
You feel like it feels like I feel like I'm
in this feels like the garden.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Actually it's dark, you can't.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
See the crowd, but the stage is lit. It's that's
no arena. Does that you know there's no other arena?
I could think like the stage. It's like a stage
is lit and the crowd is dark and it's just
like the spotlights on you.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I loved I always played well in New York.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I got a few game winners, you know, I got
I got a I got a nice little collage of
game winners in the garden.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
They never get old, do they?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I never get old. I love playing there. Just slapping
Spike Lee on the head. Look at watching him in discuss.
Oh man, you gotta love it.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I know I love watching the game. Hey man, it's
a real pleasure to have you. We we I know
you're busy.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, man, No, that's great. Now. I'm glad we had
a chance to sit down.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Fine, and I'm just out of here a talking head
with gray hair. But you've been really nice to me
and I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Man. No, it's all love. It's all love.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
The legend Paul Pierce one more heard. The Herd streams
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Speaker 1 (21:59):
Paul. That was great to have him on the show.
Kansas Celtics Year two of the clips they can played
for the Wizards one year, didn't he? I think one
one year of the Wizards. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
On the news, This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'll start with the Celtics, who were an easy winner
over the Heat last night. I think they hit seven
threes in the first quarter, and yeah, I basically turned
the game off. It avenged last season's conference finals lost.
Jason Tatum had another monster game. He said, it shows
how the Celtics are learning from their mistakes and the
win was necessary for Boston's maturation as a team.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Not mentioned, Jimmy Butler missed the game. Terry rose Here
missed the game.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Him Hakez, the former UCLA kid who's who had a
good series.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He was out. So like, I don't I don't put
any stock in this beatdown.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Well, yeah, I mean if Jimmy Butler, if they're not
the kind of team they don't have enough good offensive,
reliable player fam gives you eighteen, you know it's he's not.
I mean, the the Celtics don't need Porzingis and they
could drop one hundred and twenty points.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
They don't need they don't need him against the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, but I mean Jalen Brown, Tatum, Derrick White, you
could get to one hundred and fifteen without porzingis no
Jimmy Butler, no team.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It might be the regional connection, but when I'm watching
Boston in the series, they're winning every game. They win
by like twenty plus. Yes, they remind me of Yukon
from the NCAA tournament. Now, how Yukon's just steamrolling people
like it's just like they're they're loaded and next up
would be Cleveland or Orlandoh.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
They'll run through them. Well, we said before the playoffs
they need they need to either sweep or gentleman sweep
everybody in the East. I thought Philadelphia had the personnel
to make it uncomfortable. The pressure would all be on Boston.
I don't think New York, Cleveland, Orlando, they just don't
match up. And I think whoever comes out of Philly
New York, it's a pretty draining series. Boston's gonna be
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rest one. No clone games. So I mean Boston's like
the better team, more rest, not as dependent on one guy.
I think they would take care of him. Well, New York,
he went a home game and that's about it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, I'm looking at the lines.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
It was eight pacers yesterday, it's down to five so
I wonder if somebody got winned that maybe Dame will
give it a go or Yannis, so that bears monitoring well.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
We I think we both thought if Janni's played four games,
they'd win this series. He hasn't, so it's Indiana series.
That's not really an upset. If you don't have Giannis
and Dame, that's not an upset, los On.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Next up is the New York Knicks tonight, big game
against the Sixers. Colin. I know you're fired up, but
people can't stop talking about the potential of them landing
a superstar this offseason, and now they're being linked to
Devin Booker. Remember we had a wager this week. You
had Booker getting traded.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I had KD.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But the report reveals the Knicks have been interested in
Booker for several years and New York would be willing
to offer almost anything to pair him with Jalen Brunson.
And as another note, one of our guys here realized
that Nick's president, Leon Rose used to be Devin Booker's agent.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Now, NETZAA. Booker is not Klay Thompson, but he can
catch and shoot it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Oh, he's better than Clay Thomas.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You know I'm saying in terms that he doesn't need
the ball offensively, He's not going to take it out
of He's not Luca, he's not Lebron where that would
get in the way of Jalen Brunson. You can put
him on the wing. He can't catch and shoot it,
and that's the kind of guy that fits with him.
And he's also in his prime. So, like we talked
about this, you think the Sons are in big trouble,
you could get a Hall.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I just I can't see Phoenix trading a guy who
they drafted and is like their franchise guy. You want
him to be your steph Current. You want Devin Booker
in Phoenix forever. I don't see why you would trade it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
That's true, right, don't So to get a Haul, you
get a Hall for Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
The real question is are the Knicks willing to break
up the Villanova guys. Apparently Devincenzo is the only guy
that willing to trade Knicks fans, at least Josh Hart
everybody loves him.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Obviously, we love our Villanova guys. We do. Steven Senzo
shot at poorly, was kind of bent in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
He's Ethan. I feel like he's he's a tough guy,
he's an energy guy. He can get hot, hit some threes.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Didn't get like seven threes in the night.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I mean, he's a he's he he feels so East Coach,
so Villanova. So he's like a perfect.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Nick, the Knicks of I don't think they've been this
interesting this century. I'm sorry to Carmelo Anthony. Even the
Jeremy Lynne moments, for.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I didn't very short live.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
This is like a real team.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
People are excited about Himyah, and they've been there, then
I can say this. James Dolan has stepped back and
he's letting them, maybe because he trusts him. He's letting
the basketball people do his thing. And also James Dolan,
he created the sphere, so that was his attention for
several years. So like James Dolan has moved out of
it and lets his basketball people do it. So I
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don't look at them like I looked at him five
years ago when it felt like he was more involved.
And that's nothing against him. I just I don't love
owners breathing down a GM and a coach's neck. The
best owner, Robert Kraft hire a coach, the Hunt family,
hire a coach, get out of his way now that
the coach, make sure you hire the right coach. But
it's I think the Knicks now feel well constructed and
(27:12):
the owners step back. He's letting the basketball people do
their thing. I like where they're going.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Assuming they get the win tonight, win the series. It
feels like they are a player away. I mean, yeah,
is that okay? The one player away from winning the time?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Nice wing player away from winning the Time.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And just to be clear to all the haters out there,
if Kevin Durant comes to New York, it's still Jalen
Brunson's team.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He's the one. Yes, Kd's the two. Okay, you's got
to make that clear for some people.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Now, the question is how many rotational players do you
want to give up? I give up draft picks, I
don't care. But yeah, they've got like four or five. Yeah,
the nixt chemistry is excellent. You can't just start shipping
out Josh Hartz left and right. They're essential to this team.
So you got to get somebody who comes in and understands, hey,
this is Jalen's team. We need you to score twenty five.
But it's kind of Jalen's team. I think KD would
(27:57):
accept that Katie didn't go to Phoenix one today. Seize
control of the team you wanted to win games.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Final story Atlanta Falcons, Colin. We are going to talk
about this frequently. People are probably getting worn down. But
I'm just they were obsessed with trading up in the draft,
not just getting Pennis at eight, but they tried to
get back and they went to the Jets trying to
get into the top ten after the Penis pick.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
According to Steve Weisch, who.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Has been an Atlanta fixer forever, the target the Falcons
were targeting UCLA's Lattu lat Tou.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
He's the best pass rusher in the draft. He was
I like him a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
There was some medical red flag, but this is interesting there.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
You mentioned earlier that the Texans last year went for
Will Anderson at worked.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So the Texans feeling was, if we have a left tackle,
we have weapons, if we get the quarterback and an
edge rusher. We got the four boxes. Checked with our
coach Atlanta the same thing. They got Panics, and they thought,
if we can get a lat Tou Latsu who didn't
go till like fifteen or sixteen to the Colts. If
we can get him, we're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So you saw the Vikings also did a similar thing.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
They got their quarterback, then they traded up to get
the kid Turner from Alabama and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
People you know Falcon.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Sorry, Vikings fans are not thrilled with that because they
gave up draft capitals, a lot of draft capital.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But to your point, listen, if you hit on the
edge rusher, you.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Can have holes all over your roster. Cincinnati had a
battle line and got to the super Bowl. The Rams
weren't good at safety your linebacker and got there. If
you are good at it, coach, quarterback, left tackle, ed
rusher and two weapons, you can get to a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Will Anderson's was a top five guy, like he was
a slammed boy.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Will Anderson.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't think they're in that clutch, but there.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I think law Too is really good. I think Jared
Verse is really good. I think yeah, yeah, Chop Robinson,
I don't think he's in that class. Penn State kid.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
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Speaker 1 (30:56):
Show is Flying by today. So here's a rumor. Lakers rumor.
An executive says Lebron James would prefer ty Lou as
his head coach. Quote, that's his guy. So yeah, Tyleru
and Lebron went back and forth. I mean, Tylo's confrontational,
(31:17):
so he won't get pushed around. But Tylu only has
one year left on his contract. You can trade a coach.
Jason Kidd got traded for a couple of picks. Pat
Riley got traded. I think Nick to Miami for like
a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You can do it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
It's not it's doable, it's not illegal. But I don't
think Steve Balmer would allow, even with one year left
at seven million dollars, would allow his franchise to be
embarrassed going into a new arena. But five NBA coaches
have been traded. My thing when it comes to the
Clippers and ty Lou and Lebron and the Lakers, says,
(31:54):
does ty Lou want to remain with this circus? So,
I mean, it's it's just really crazy. And I said
this earlier. When you have these big cities like Chicago,
New York and LA and they have two teams in
the same sport. There's always a big brother and a
little brother. And even though there was an eight year
(32:15):
period when the Clippers made the playoffs seven times and
the Lakers in that period only made it twice and
you had Lob City, Balmer's much richer than Genie Buss.
The arena is going to be spectacul or probably blow
away Crypto arena. The truth is it won't matter. It
doesn't matter. Alabama will always be bigger than Auburn, and
Michigan will always be bigger than Michigan State. Nick Saban
(32:36):
was at Michigan State, Michigan was still bigger. Didn't matter
if Auburn beats Alabama. When Cam new, it doesn't matter.
Alabama's always going to be bigger. This is a Laker city.
It'll always be a Laker city. And you know, tylu
could be the head coach of it. The truth is
the Clippers roster top to bottom, has more good players.
It's more even more wing defenders, which are crucial in
(32:59):
the NBA. But it's also got more drama. The Lakers
don't really have a lot of drama in the organization.
They don't. They had Westbrook, they moved off him. The
Clippers are constant drama. Paul Pierce talked about it earlier.
The Lakers don't have drama. They don't have enough defenders
on the wing, and they need to get like another
star player at Trey Young. But my question with ty
Lou is how long do you want to coach this
(33:20):
because there are organizations you go look at the Jets
in New York, even when the Giants have been down
for ten years and Jets can't take advantage of it.
I mean, the Yankees had a terrible season last year.
The Mets were a tire fire. So you look at
these situations the big brand and I don't know if
(33:42):
it's a lot of times it's there's finance behind it.
The bottom line is when the Lakers and the Clippers
go to negotiate local cable deals, the Lakers get top
dollar and the Clippers don't. That's why Balmer saw that
immediately and had to bring in stars so we can
get a better local cable deal. But it's just whenever
you go to New York LA Chicago and you get
(34:03):
two teams, it doesn't matter how I'm trying to think
of an organization. I mean, the White Sox won a
World Series in the early nineties for an hour, they
but Chicago. The Cubs are in Wrigleyville. It's considered a
cooler place in town. They're the cooler franchise. They have
Wrigley Field, which is considered, you know, the better of
the two stadiums, and they'll always be the better. Was
(34:25):
there ever a time the Mets had a moment, the
Keith Hernandez teams, Lenny Dyke stre they had a moment,
and the Yankees were down in the eighties, But it
always reverts back to the Yankees because the Yankees are
a better asset, So they'll get a better ownership group,
they'll get a better cable deal, they'll have more money,
get better players, and eventually those better players will hit.
That's the Lakers. They're gonna make much more money on
(34:47):
a local cable deal. They're going to attract even despite
Steve Ballmer, They're going to attract more big time free agents.
So I mean that Anthony Davis could have gone either place.
Anthony was steered to the Lakers. Lebron could have gone
to either place. Lebron chose the Lakers. I mean, remember
when Lebron chose the Lakers. They were a bit of
(35:08):
a mess for many years. He went to the big
brand when Harbaugh, I know he went to Michigan, but
Nick Saban could have gone to Auburn. He chose Alabama.
The reality is big brands almost always rebound. USC's been
down for a while, but Lincoln Riley didn't leave Oklahoma
for UCLA. He left it for USC. The big brands
(35:31):
always end up back pivoting back on top.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I just wonder Bohmer has so much money. I think
he's the wealthiest owner.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
In the end. He is. He is.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
He's just gonna pay Tyler whatever. Don't go to the Lakers.
Here's an extra five to ten million dollars.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
He can do that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
No, he can't, and he's probably going into a new arena.
He can't go in there with a thirty win team.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
You think it's crazy on this, but the Lakers they
don't want dead like cap money on coaches like the Cowboys.
It doesn't matter, it doesn't it's a rounding air. People
don't understand this, the difference in money in the NFL.
To sign a player, you have to have money in
the bank. In the NFL, the Raiders are a poor franchise.
The Rams are a rich franchise. Jacksonville's a poor franchise.
(36:13):
You think the Giants are rich, but the Mara family
is not even close to Stan Kronkey, not even close
to the Allen family. Jody Allen in Seattle and all
that Microsoft money. So Steve Ballmer could buy and sell
Genie bust and the Lakers seven times over. So for
her to have a seven, for Steve Balmer to say,
here's another five, you make twelve million a year, the
(36:33):
Lakers couldn't do that. They don't want to get rid
of coaches and have You don't want to be paying
three coaches. The Lakers are not as cash rich as
everybody thinks, and fans tend to think, well, everybody's doing
the same salary cap.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
A couple of years ago the Rams had a receiver.
They went and got Alan Robinson. Oh it just didn't work.
Whatever it didn't work, it's wrote a check and got
him out of town when they had goff paid him
and then paid Matt Stafford. Five teams in the league
could have done that, just written the checks. We don't care.
Stan Kronky's one of the few. So I think fans
think well, it's all the same salary cap.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You gotta have that money in the bank. No, it's not.
The Cincinnati Bengals don't have nearly the money as the
La Rams. But in terms of brands, the Lakers again,
Paul George is a nice player. Lebron's a legend, Kawhi
is a nice player. Eighty is better. So if you
take the four players that could have gone either way,
(37:28):
eighty Lebron, Kawhi Paul George, the two best chose the Lakers. Well,
a lot of that is rich. Paul, the brand is better.
You know, you're gonna sell more shoes as a Laker
than a Clipper. It's just a reality.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
And people can bag on Lebron and the Lakers. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
They won a championship. Kawhi Leonard has not been to
the finals with the Clippers. He's ever healthy in the playoffs.
I mean, go look at the track record. So people
can bag on Lebron all they want. He has a
chip with the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Now something Kawhi is not done.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
He's got chip with everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
But yeah, everywhere he goes, he wins titles. That's like
what he does.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, Paul George Kawhi Leonard, I know I want in Toronto,
but since he got to the Clippers, there's no other
way to say it's been a disappointment than what they've
accomplished in the playoffs, which is hurt every year one
or both.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Of those guys.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, it is, it's it's it's not as even as
people think. I hung out this weekend with a friend
of mine, Steve Kaime, and you know, a lot of
this stuff it doesn't make the air, but there's you
know a lot of backstories I get that can kind
of fill in information holes I may have about there
is a gigantic gap in owner oh capital. And like
(38:38):
he is, Steve Kaime, I asked him who's the best
running organization and he said, Baltimore is the standard in
Arizona thirtieth or well I would We're not going to
get into that, but he said, he said, there is
definitely a bottom six to seven in the league in
terms of the capital, the maturity. You know, people forget this.
(38:58):
If you are working at that bottom six seven, you
don't have the quality of scouts the Baltimore Ravens do
or the Kansas City Chiefs do. Yeah, I mean there's
bidding wars for scouts. The best teams have the best scouts,
and the best for not they pay more so that
you like the Chicago Bears, I'll be honest with you,
Cincinnati Bengals, they can be cheap. You don't get the best.
(39:22):
That's why Ryan Poles crossed your fingers. He looks like
they'll say they found a young star, Brad Holmes. Detroit
found a young star. But people forget this. We always
look to the GM or you look to the quarterback.
If you look at losing operations, it is overwhelmingly there
is one thread. It's the owner. There's a reason the
(39:43):
Steelers Ohwa's draft well, and the Ravens almost Owa's draft well,
and the Rams now almost draft well all the time.
Green Bay doesn't have an owner, but they've got such
a strong culture they almost Oway's draft well.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
But you don't just develop a culture overnight. That's got
to be built.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
An ingrained in a year comes from the top down.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Always philosophy. If you don't have one, you're not going
to succeed.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Culture is not built by players. I would argue it
can be built. McVeigh proves it can be built by
a coach, but a lot of what Kansas City. Kansas
City has been good, rarely bad, mostly good. Now great, Well,
it's the family. It's upstairs.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Do my Jets have a philosophy or anything close to one,
anything resembling one.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A culture.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
They're trying to build one. They've tried for a long
time Without one, you've just been in your wheels.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
That's why I have Buffalo winning the division again. They
do have a culture. Our three coming up next,
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