April 8, 2024 • 62 mins
When the gang recently recapped “Shallow Boy,” a lot of thingsg stood out, and one of those incredible moments was that hilarious waitress in the background, dealing with an inpatient Eric Matthews screaming for his “CHECKKKKKK!” And now we hear from that legend - actor, artist and stand-in, Jacqui Fehl!
Danielle, Will & Rider reunite with their old friend to talk about her time on the show and the secret recipe for mastering the voices of Shawn’s trailer park neighbors!
Hear her inspiring story of going from stand-in to stand out, and what the canvas looks like for her nowadays, on this brand new episode of Pod Meets World!
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
We were watching Survivor last night, and like, you know,
somebody just was just tanking their own tribe's challenge because she,
you know, wanted to prove herself being right now.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I was like, cee, Indie, really, so wait, she was
doing like the definition of biting her nose to spite
her face? Yes, and how tell us explain the situation?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, so it's it's Game Changers. This is our second
time watching this season from thirty four. I think it's
Debbie rewatching the season third time.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Oh my god, that must be a really good one.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's a great season. Ozzie's there, Malcolm just got kicked out.
It's amazing. Anyway, Debbie is just tanking her own team
because they they didn't let her pick, you know, the
last challenge which position she had, and but you you
watch the playback and she clearly asked to be on
the balance beam and they let her on the balance beam.
(01:09):
But she made it all about Culpepper anyway, so out
of spite, she's like sitting there and I just turned
to India and I'm like, you know, sometimes it's it
feels so good to be right, but wouldn't you rather
just be happy? Like, you know, it's like it's either
happy or right. Sometimes it really does come down to that.
And I was like, and we all do it, We
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all so badly want to be right. And it's like
that is way actually almost more of a drive than
being happy, like you feel it in the moment.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
More.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's more like you're adrenaline pushes you to win or
to be right, and it's like it's you need it
and you want it and you're so willing to get
it that you'll completely tank your own interests and your
own happiness. It's awful, But it's like one of those
things like, oh my god, I wish I'd known this
when I was younger. You know, it's like you just
don't like you just it's so it's such a it's
(01:59):
like a drug, you know, righteousness.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I've never had to deal with that because I'm just
always right and naturally I don't know how it happens.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So I've really never experienced that because I've.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I was right.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I was wrong once nineteen ninety four. It was it
was not great.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, oh you remember exactly the time.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well what about you?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
When were you wrong?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I've never been right. I've come to that realization. There's
a there's a great Falstaffian kind of joy in knowing
you are never ever right, no matter what you do.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's so great to just walk through life knowing that,
and then you are really always happy because you won.
You know you're not going to be right, but then
if you are, what a pleasant surprise it is.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
But it's also this this there's this this string that
fate has or happiness has, or whatever it is, that
has wrapped tightly and yet suppily around my chest to
where every time I get to the point where I'm like, wow,
actually starting to be happy, something for my past rips
me the back and goes, No, you are an anxiety ridden,
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sometimes fat human being who got lucky with your wife.
That's your lot, bro, you don't get anything more than that.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Man this morning Falstaffian and supply has already come out
of Will's mouth.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I am pro stoked.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I am here for he's been reading the thesaurus.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh no, he's just it's just on fire.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I love it. Let's go, let's go, let's bring it, Jackie.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Welcome to Pon Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischle.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm right strong, and I'm Wilfride When we recently recapped
Shallow Boy and declared it one of our absolute favorite
episodes of Boy Meets World so far. A lot of
things stood out on our first watch in at least
twenty five years. The pure dynamo that was Lesha Haley's
first acting gig, the songwriting of Jeff Sherman, Will's impeccable
comedic timing, even a possible autographed O J Simpson Jersey
(03:57):
on the Wall. But the one thing that had us
scrubbing back on Disney Plus to watch it again and
again for laughs, the hilarious reaction of a Chubby's waitress
trying her hardest to serve tables but also immediately get
Eric that check he needs, and we all knew jack Oh,
so that's so good, and we all knew, Hey, that's Jackie.
(04:21):
She was one of our stand ins and the occasional
background actor who had some lines here and there, but
more importantly than that, we loved her. Luckily, I had
kept in touch with Jackie over the years through social
media and followed her career as she now, like director
Jeff McCracken, has shifted her talents to art as well
as some side work in voiceover and considering we had
(04:43):
dozens of emails praising her reaction acting, which I think
is fair to abbreviate as a reacting. We wanted to
bring her on the podcast and dig deeper into her small,
yet critical role and everything about this lovely person. So
welcome to pod meets World, Jackie Fell.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Oh my god, Hi, that's usually my job. I always
start crying.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Look amazing, So did you? God? Exactly the same.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
So great to.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
See you exactly how I imagined you too, looking cool
in a gallery. I love it. Amazing. Are you in
North Carolina? Still?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I am. I'm in Asheville.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yes, I love Ashville.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You've been here?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah? Yeah, but I actually almost went to grad school
there because there's a great writing program that.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
What is this?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
What is the name? Wilson? Wilson wis? Yeah? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Amazing, that's so fun.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So, Jackie, I think we have mentioned the job of
stand in a couple of times on this podcast, but
I I think maybe we've just assumed that people understand
really what that means. So will you start by telling
us exactly what this important job is on a TV show?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Okay, So there's kind of two different things. So a
stand in on a sitcom is different than a stand
in on a film show or a movie. So I've
done both. And on a film or a film show,
you don't necessarily know, you don't get a script, you
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don't know even if you're coming back. You're just told
show up at this time, report to this person, and
maybe you get the title, and you you don't really know.
And so that is where pretty much you're you're there
for lighting purposes. So the actors will come in rehearse
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a scene, and basically as a stand in you work
with the director of photography mostly, so what they do
is they were and then maybe the third camera assistant
will walk around and put little tape marks on all
the key spots that the actors are standing in, so
each like piece of tape would be a different setup,
a different lighting setup. So then once they rehearsed, and
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if you're very lucky, they write it down the number
order of those tape because sometimes you look around it's
just like a pile of tape spots all over the floor.
And then when the actors are released, they will say
second team. That's what stand ins are called. Hit mark
number one. You just stand there and they work around
you and you can sometimes talk with the other stand ins.
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You're very quiet, you don't, you know, you just are
there for like you move to you know, spot number two,
just number two. So on a multi camera show, it's
completely different. So there you get a script. You pretty
much know what's going on all the time, and so
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came on for you guys, or because you guys were minors,
so in that sense, when you guys were at school,
that's when they would maybe use us the stand ins. However,
they organized it so well that you guys really did
all your rehearsals. They hardly ever used us for miners
(08:22):
at all. It was usually for guest stars that they
didn't hire for five days. Sometimes it would just be
three days. So we would fill in for the various
guest stars. Uh maybe you weren't even cast yet, and so.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
That was basically acting with us. Yeah, like you in
the scenes all week. So for rehearsals and run through,
you guys would be the guest cast, like our our
troop of stand ins were our sort of like recurring
like our cast. Yeah, our coasts for the whole week.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, but with zero pressure on us, which was amazing, Like,
you know, it's the easiest job in the world, like
if we have no pressure whatsoever. And what was really
cool is when we were shooting at CBS Radford, I
lived right across the street. I literally walked to work.
(09:13):
And because I was so broke at the time, I
was newly married. My husband was a substitute teacher during
the day and went to school at night to get
his full teaching credential. I would go and show up early,
eat breakfast at Craft Service for free, then at lunch
I'd make another sandwich at Craft Service. I had two
meals that I got no pressure hang around most of
(09:39):
the day. And also your show and the other multi
camera show that I worked on, which was thunder Alley. Yeah, Andrew, Keegan,
Danielle and you guys were so both sets were so
nice that I always felt welcomed, respected, part of a team.
It was really the best experience.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Well that's the thing. I mean, at the end of
the day, we acted with y'all more than we acted
with anybody else. Because you're right, the guest stars would
come in every once in a while, but the team
of stand ins, we were an ensemble for I mean again,
we acted with you all more than we acted with
anybody else. Yeah, never really thought about that before.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
It was the best training, honestly. I mean I always
wanted to be an actor, but I knew waiting tables.
What am I going to learn? Nothing where you gonna
like really learn, not just the business, but just how
to be professional, how to be really good. And that's
why I loved working behind the scenes because of the
best education ever. I learned what to do and what
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not to do.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah. So what season did you start on boy Meet's
World with us?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
So?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I started season three, episode nine, and again I didn't
know that I had the job. It was so I
think it was Michael Shay that called me in because
I worked with his brother Bill Shay on thunder Ally Okay,
So I think that's how Michael Shea knew who I was.
So it was just, hey, we've got a job for
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you this week. That's all you're told. You're gonna be
standing in for a guest star who was Brittany Murphy
who was not famous.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Right, she was playing Triny.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, yes, Trieny. And so that was my first and
I remember going on and saying, you know, I'm coming back.
I don't know who was here before me, because then
it was just like, you're free next week, Yes, yes, okay,
you'll be the kids standing. I never knew how long,
and it just was you. Maybe they just will just
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keep calling me back. I'll just keep showing up.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So do you remember Brittany at all?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I do? I do. I remember. I pretty much came
home that first week to my husband and I said,
I don't know who this girl is, but she's really funny.
She's got some like she doesn't just play the obvious joke,
she nicles under it. She just was so nuanced and
sophisticated and just so goofy. I was like, I think
(12:08):
she's going to be a star.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You were right, You were absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Did you know anything about Boy Meets World before you started?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Had you ever heard of the show? Nothing?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I had no idea. I thought it was such a
weird title. I had no idea who anybody was. No,
it was just a job. And I don't even remember
if we were shooting at kt LA Disney. I know
it wasn't Radford at that time. Season three was kat
A was kat A?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Were stoked because you were like, oh, yeah, I know,
I want to work.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
It was so great.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And then how long did you stay? You were all
the way through season six? Right or seven?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Don't know, I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember
it was you know, Jack was there, the red Hair
Maitln was there.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Was well into season six, if not seven, because I
remember you leaving and it was like early and it
was like halfway through the season. I remember being like,
oh my god, Jack, we.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Were seriously bummed. I remember that when you told us
that you were leaving, was like, I know.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I just had to We needed to make the move.
We wanted to start a family. You know, we couldn't
afford to live there. All of our family was on
the East Coast, So yeah, we made a big move.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
So as a stand in, do you also work very
closely with the directors?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Well, yeah, not as much on our show because it
was such a well oiled machine. Plus you guys were
older and you didn't So when I worked on thunder Alley,
I stood in or Haley Joel Osmond, who was five
at the time, and I was also his dialogue coach,
and the director was Robbie Benson and he so because
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Haley was five there was a lot. He was in
school a lot more so I really did a lot
of his rehearsals for him, and Robbie would give me,
not just like acting notes, he would give me blocking notes,
you know, all kinds of acting notes. Plus Haley was
so young. I would go through the script with him
and he would have his arm around me. And then
(14:34):
I remember one day I show up and he's at
the table and he's got the script and I'm like, Haley,
what are you doing. He's like, oh, I'm reading the
script like you can read. This was like months later.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
He never told me he could read.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
He's like, yeah, just like when you do it better.
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So other thing I don't think we've talked about enough.
Will you talk about the role of a dialogue coach?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yes, So I was not a dialogue coach on your show.
I was a dialogue coach on thunder Alley. For it
was basically to run lines to help people memorize their lines.
It wasn't giving them acting notes, and it wasn't dialect coach.
So I wasn't teaching any accents or anything. And with
Haley's case, he just wasn't on set that much because
(15:22):
he was so young, So Robbie I worked very close
with him, and he would and especially on rehearsals when
the cameras would be there, I'd be way in the
back because I'm a stand in, you know, I'm like
bottom of the barrel. And he would be like, oh,
we need and he would look around Jackie and I yes, yes, Robbie,
and he was like, okay, you know, make sure he
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did this and this and this. And I would write
it all down. And it got to the point where
I would be standing next to the director at the
monitors and he would see something. He'd look at me
and I'd be like, yep, I got it. We wouldn't
even talk. It was so rewarding and so wonderful, and
I loved, loved that part of the job. I was
so close with Haley. I ended up my daughter's name
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is Haley. Haley was the first maternal stirrings I ever had.
That's so cool. He was at my wedding.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, And how old is your Haley? Now?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
My Haley is in her first year of medical school.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Oh my god, I was so old.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
That's so awesome. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Yeah, I did. I loved doing all that and on
Boy Meets World. What was really cool is uh McCracken
and David Traynor. They were so nice and so treated
us so well that they would throw us voiceover off
camera lines all the time, which was I don't even
know if Michael Jacobs knew that we were just do
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it in the run through and then be like, just
do it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Pay pump, right, I mean that would.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yes, and a residual. It was a huge deal.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Thousands of dollars. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I remember how excited we would be when one of
the stand ins would get a job on camera too,
because I remember the first time it happened was Model
Family with Matt Kirkwood still in touch with him the greatest.
So he played the photographer and we were all super excited.
We told that story about how you know, Michael was like.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I see him his hairs now his hair's up, and
we saw that get all scared because it's like, oh no,
what's going on. They had him put his hair down.
But the same thing happened to you during Shallow Boy,
No Legend, No.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
No, no. So I was technically an extra. I never
had an on camera roll on Boy Meet Swirld I
had many voiceover jobs, so I am so grateful, but
I never got to sit in the makeup share, which wow,
is a dream. Oh No, Basically.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You stole that scene in Shallow as an extra. It's
like Haley and then you the guest stars and that
that's so good. It makes the whole joke. It's so funny.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
It does.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And I never just been throughout the week like do
you remember how that happened? Like was that?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yes? So as a stand in you get a day rate,
and at the time it was like one hundred bucks
a day, and technically you can be used as an extra.
They could force you to be an extra. I didn't
want to be an extra because I wanted to be
an actor and that kind of looked bad. So of
course Steve Hayfer, who I loved and was so kind
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and I'm still in contact with him, it was like, Jackie,
we really need you to be a waitress at Chubby's.
And I was like, all right, nothing was written in
the script. It was just to give you somebody to
go check. So I don't think Sherman wrote anything in there.
It was it was Sherman, right, they wrote that. I think, yeah,
there was no direct action. So I thought, well, good god,
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if I've got to do this, I might as well
have fun with it. And so I just came up
with that bit, oh just because I was bored, Like
what am I going to do?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Do it during the Did we do it during the
run through? We must have done it during the run
You must have done it during the run through, because yeah, yeah,
because we wouldn't have put you in through wardrobe and
put you in the scene unless they were like, you
didn't have to have this beat.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I had no wardrobe, no makeup, no, because I was
an extra.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
But didn't you but that You're wearing a waitress outfit, right,
so you had to have.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Like they give me an they gave her an apron.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Oh yeah, I know. It was so funny, But I
was just technically, uh, I guess it's background actor.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
When I started, it was features background actor.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But if you were being paid as a stand and
then you wouldn't have even been paid as a background
extra for.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That, not at all, right, you were I was just
counted as part of your job.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
The voiceovers that you would get, like what were the
voiceover the off camera stuff?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
All of your family at the trailer Park. It was
kind of lot. Can't you down? There was a you know,
neighbor or something screaming that was me. Then I was
all the TV show commercials like, uh, you're singled out?
I think I singled out, singled out? There was I
was on the Witches of Pembrook. I was enraging Corey
(20:20):
Flamingo kid. I don't know, it's like six Maybe that's
so fun.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Voiceovers The best job in the world, isn't it. It
is the best job in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And Jackie, that's what you've been doing a lot now, right,
So talk to us about your voiceover work.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yes, so I I am A was a full time
voiceover talent for twenty five years.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Isn't that the best? It's the bad?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Leave LA to make it as.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So where it goes.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
But I will share a little story with you about
pretty much a life changing moment that I had of
it changed my life and how I was going to
show up. Is that okay for me to tell me
this story? Okay? So, I don't know if this was
in our one of the hiatuses or whatnot. Maybe it
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was before I start on Boy Meets World. But I
get a call when you do as a stand in
on this you know movie. Okay, here's who you report to.
I had no idea anything, so I report and it
turns out that the show had been it was a movie,
and I was replacing somebody that got fired, so already
I'm terrified. Oh my god. I was tending an actress
(21:32):
who was a child actress who was now an adult transitioned.
She was stunningly beautiful. I was so excited to be there,
and she just would not look at me, would not
say hello, we would you know pass I would you know,
leave the mark and she would take over. She just
(21:53):
looked beyond me, and I thought, okay, I have no
idea what happened to the other person. I just played
it really cool, just minded my own business, so stayed
out of her way. And there was one scene where
it was kind of a stunt where she was on
this swing and she had a fall down, like flying
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off the swing and landed in this dirt and leaves,
and the DP said to me, the director of photography,
I really need to set up this shot. It's going
to be an extreme close up of her face on
the ground. Can you help me do this? So for
I for like hours, I was flying off the swing
into the dirt. I was bruised, I had twigs in
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my hair. I'm a prap bloodied. It was a night shoot.
I was freezing. So they bring her out. We'll just
call her Jane Jane. So she comes out and the
DP says, Jackie's going to show you where your mark is,
how we rehearsed it. It's really important that you land
on this mark. So she's standing there and I do
(22:55):
the whole thing for her, and I'm covered in mud.
I'm on the ground and I look up and she's
literally really standing over me, and she goes, that's the
worst job in the world. I was like, are you
freaking kidding me?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
She was in her twenties, making thousands and thousands of dollars.
I was making maybe one hundred bucks a day, much
older than her. That night, we were walking to our
cars at the same time, and I hung way back
so she wouldn't see me. We're walking up and she,
you know, turns into this like gorgeous sports car and
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I turned into my beat up Hyundai that was dented,
no air conditioning, no radio. First car I ever had,
the car I had the entire time for ten years
that I was in LA. That's how broke I was.
And she got in her car and I literally got
down on my knees in the middle of the street
and I said, God, Universe, please let me be an actor.
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I will be on time, I will be professional, I
will be respectful, I will be grateful. I may not
be the best actor I may, but I will be
kind to everyone. Never forgot that, and to this day,
I've never been late for a job ever. I've never complained.
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I have been kind to whoever was on the totem pole,
and I have been so professional so that well, and
you know, I never said her name. I never told
anybody who it was, because honestly, I don't know if
she was going through she had a long career after it.
I don't know if she was you know, I didn't
(24:44):
want to do the movie. It was awful. I know
if she was contractually buying, you know, buying to that,
or if she broke up with her boyfriend, or if
she lost her reund like, I don't know what her
story was. So I'm going to give her the benefit
of the doubt that it wasn't me. It was just
a time in her life. So I took it as like,
what a great teaching moment that I you know, you
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guys modeled really how to be awesome and respectful and
professional and kind. And she showed me the other side
of it, and I was like, Okay, I've seen this,
I know what to do. And so that was a
big turning point for me.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's amazing. I know you said that we modeled kind of,
but we we must have been clueless to such a
degree just as kids, I mean as teenagers. I mean
like there was no you know, we're sitting there and
we've talked about like our amazing parking spots with ours,
and we drive up. Meanwhile you're like taking extra meals
(25:43):
that you can from craft Service. You're like basically, you know,
hoarding sandwiches from Craig Right, that like disconnect must have
been palpable for you in a way that we had
no idea because we in our naivete we like we're
all equals and we're all having fun, but we're clue.
That must have been Was that hard for you or
weird for you or did you ever feel like you
(26:04):
wanted to just smack us?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Not you guys? Uh, personally, I had a lot of
shame around it because you know, I wanted to be
something I couldn't I didn't have the opportunity to be.
But so, like I said, there were some people that
I don't want to say they were clueless, but they
were just so self absorbed. You guys just were kind.
You didn't it never occurred to you because that wasn't
(26:28):
your reality. But you didn't make me feel bad or
less or I just kept that to myself. Nobody knew.
That was just you know, where I was in my life.
But you guys were awesome, always kind and professional and
God made me laugh all the time.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I was just I remember that quite a bit. I
remember that quite a bit. You and I hung out
a lot because aside, yeah, because it was it was
the again they were sometimes they were in school still
or especially by third season. So I just remember you
and I having some great conversations and stuff about your art,
(27:05):
and I mean we, yeah, we talked a lot, you
and I. It was it was a ton of fun.
I just remember it fully enjoying that. And so I
know we're going to get into your art, but I
have a story that I doubt you'll remember but it
was very important in my life. So you were you
would come in at the time you were doing beaded pouches.
(27:26):
You were selling. You were selling these really cool handmade
so you had one that was really really cool. And
I had this idea that I wanted to do. So
the day that there was a movie that we all
auditioned for called Trojan War. And making the transition at
(27:46):
the time from being a television actor to a film
actor was a very big deal. And I booked Trojan
War and I signed a three picture deal with Warner Brothers.
Oh my god. So I yeah, no. If you're like, wow,
Trojan War, I've never seen it, No one has, but
I went to you. This was so the when I
(28:08):
found out I was going to be doing the movie,
I bought one of your beaded pouches and I took
I took the date that I got the job from
a calendar, and I folded it up and I put
it in your beaded pouch and I gave it to
my mom as a gift. So she opened the pouch
and she took off the first She's like, God, this
(28:28):
is beautiful. And I was like, well, there's something inside
for you, and she opened it up and there was
the date, and I said, that's the date I booked
the thing. But and she still has it. I saw
it was and she still has the date is still
in your perfect It's a black and white little beaded
pouch that is just still perfectly handmade, and it's in
my mom's jewelry box and she still has it there
to this day. So I literally just saw it.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Oh you yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Now you know I needed the money, but it was so.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Special to me that I remember being like, I need
to take this and I need to put this special
date inside. And that was the gift from my mom
was your beating.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Oh thank you so much. That's so sweet.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I also worked as a cigarette girl. Uh yeah during
Boy Meets World.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I remember that you had the tray.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Oh okay, the life I was like a cigarette.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
They haven't like I don't remember anybody had my cigarettes what.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Like the fifties costume. I would work like Monday nights
from ten to three in the morning. Uh, just for
that extra money. And it was so funny because I,
you know, I had the whole tray, all these cigarettes
and candy, and I wasn't interested in like meeting, you know,
going to raves. I was there like I'm gonna make money,
Like I wanted to go to the best club. So
(29:41):
I would stand literally in front of and next to
the cigarette machine with my whole tray of cigarettes. So
my cigarettes were like two seventy five, no, three twenty five,
and the cigarette machine was two twenty five. So I
would stand there and people would come up to the
cigarette machine. I'd be like really, and I'd be like,
all right, yeah, I'll take what you So I would
(30:02):
like pack it, open it, light it for them. They
would give me like a five dollars and I would
just go thank you, and they would be like uh,
And I'm like, oh you want to change.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
They're like that's.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Likely people into tips.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Where was this in La? Where was this?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah? Well it was I think it was called the
China Club. It was something in Beverly Hills. I didn't
want to work any of the other hip, you know,
young people clubs. I wanted where the most money was.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
So I was a club.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah wait, how did you get a job like that?
Was there like a cigarette girl agency? That was like
sending people?
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yes, Miss Kidney's concessions, you guys. I had so many
weird jobs. I also worked the William Morris Agency, do
you know what? So I totally like faked my way
into that job too, Like this has been my mo
my whole life. It's like, Okay, how can I like
(31:04):
get in through the back door and like figure out
a creative way because I'm never going to be an
actor waiting tables or doing it the traditional way. I'm
just going to learn from the inside out. So sorry,
I got so many stories, you guys. It just cut
me off and we're like going to the boy.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
That's what we're here for.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
So basically, right out of college, I moved to LA.
I had no family support. I was completely broke. I
crashed with like a friend, you know, like sleeping on
her couch. I eventually got an apartment and I had
no car in La. So I went to a temp agency,
had no idea what was going on. They're like, okay,
(31:42):
we have an opening at the William Morris Agency. You're
going to be subbing at a new agent's desk for
a few days. I'm like, no, kad, no idea what
it was. So I show up and I'm like, ooh,
I took a bus. So that was like an hour
early ahead of me. So I took a bus. I'm
in Beverly Hills. I'm like, oh, this is a big deal.
So I sit on the desk and looking around and
(32:02):
they're like, all you have to do is just answer phones. He's,
you know, gonna be interview. He was a new agent.
His name was Rick. He was kind of like Matthew Perry.
He looked like a blonde Matthew Perry and he had
the same irreverent sense of humor. And so he was
brand new. So he got like a ton of jobs that,
like the other agents didn't want, so he was really
(32:23):
like trying to juggle everything. He'd be like, okay, here's
a list of actors. There's the headshot room. It was
in the commercial and voiceover department. He's like, just go
pull the headshots, put them in an envelope, and then
send them to dispatch. You know, I'm like okay. So
as I was doing all that stuff and just answer
the phones, he was interviewing for a full time assistant.
(32:43):
So he was so funny. I had such a great
time with him. So I kept calling up that temp
agency and I said hey, make sure you put me
on this guy's desk tomorrow. They're like, okay, So Rick's office,
So he would be facing the door and whoever was
interviewing would have their back to the door. So I
had one of those like rolling chairs, so as he
(33:04):
was interviewing, I would literally roll past the doorway and
I'd be like and I was just making him laugh
the whole time. Oh, and I was like, So finally,
after three days he comes out and he goes, do
you just want this job? I'm like, oh, yeah, fu,
you never ask. So I got the job and like
(33:27):
a week later, you know, we didn't even have computers.
This is like eighty nine or something. So I'm at
the typewriter typing up a contract he gave me, and
he's standing over me. He's like, you have no idea
how to type? Do you?
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Like?
Speaker 4 (33:39):
No, He's like, you've never been an administrative assistant, have you?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Okay? Great? And I was there for We had the
best time. He gave me so much responsibility because he
was so busy. And then about a year later I
got pulled in you know, you know, the whole famous
like male you know that William Morris back in the day.
You would do mailroom dispatch junior agent. Then you would
(34:06):
become an agent. So in the voiceover department, people would
come in an audition so I could listen to them.
I would call up there, you know, I would get
them into their auditions a voicecaster and he laying Craig.
I don't even know if these places are around anymore.
And sometimes I would if like somebody canceled and say, oh,
I can't make it this audition. I would sometimes call
(34:27):
up as that actor and imitate them. So I would
like to do a voice and be like, hey, I'm
really sorry, I can't make it today, and they'd be like,
oh no, no worries, and I'm like, okay, I can do this.
So I was like learning behind the scenes. And after
a year the head of the department came up to
me and he said, listen, we love you. We would
like to offer you skipping the entire process. You will
(34:51):
be driving a Mercedes in a year. Would you like
to be an agent here? And that was my crossroads
where I was like like nope, because I don't want
to throw away my dream of being an actor. So
I left and became a waitress and hated that. Yeah,
(35:13):
so that was my kids. Yeah, and he helped me
a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
How did you then get into voiceover?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Well, so Rick the agent, he was like, well, because
I could imitate everybody, everybody on the roster, I could
do it. And I was watching them audition yea, and
he was like, I want you to study with At
the time, Sue Blue, I don't know if you know yeap.
She did my demo. She hired me for a job
because I had no no representation, and they were like, oh,
(35:45):
we'll represent you. I'm like, okay, I'm at William Morris
with zero, zero experience. So that's kind of how I
got into it was just taking some classes. Sue produced
my animation demo. She hired me for a job. I
did voiceovers on on y'all show. But when I moved
(36:07):
to North Carolina Ashville, there were two do you know
ISDN technology? Okay, so that was the technology when I,
you know, started, So I moved here. There were two
ISDN studios here in town that were competitors. But all
the actors can work for any however many you want.
(36:30):
So we didn't have home studios at the time, so
I would literally drive and then there was another studio
forty five minutes away and another one two and a
half hours away, so it was the same few people
doing all the jobs. So I would just drive from
once through the day. I would have like four or
five sessions a day, and they were but they were
low paying because it was it was we were right
(36:52):
to work state and I was a financial core member
of the union. So I did quantity, not quality, and
then eventually built a home studio because they were needing that.
So I had a whisper room and iced DAN Technology
and all the other voice actors who maybe weren't quite
that serious, they were like, oh I don't I'm not
(37:13):
investing in that, you know. So that kind of that
even narrowed it further and it was just the same
bunch of us doing all the jobs. And it was great.
It was the heyday. And then of course, like everything changes,
and then iced DN went away. It was sources connect
and then everything opened up and anybody with an iPhone
can say, oh, I'm a voice talent now. Yeah, everything changed.
(37:35):
But my daughter when she was born, when I had
the home studio, they didn't have like kids on the roster,
and they were like, hey, can you throw your kid
in the booth. She was two and a half and
she would do line. I would just feed her a
line and she was fearless. She would just do it.
So she was a voice actor from two years old
all the way through high school. Never cared about it.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, cool, I remember, gave it up to be a doctor.
Come on, come on, Jackie. Do you remember the week
when the Simpsons actors were renegotiating and you went in
for was it least Simpson? Yes?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Remember, yes?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And I never sitting around talking with you and you
were like, I want this job obviously, but we were
having the whole thing like but we also know that
these actors are great and they kind of deserve more money.
And it was like this whole discussion, but you were like, yeah,
but this is a game change if I and we
were like, yeah, you gotta you got a audition for that.
But I remember like that was the first time hearing
about like for me, like because I hadn't done any
(38:39):
voiceover yet, and like you were, you were like, I'm
up for Lisa Simpson. I'm going in. I remember hearing
you do it. I was like, oh my god, I
want you to.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Get in the job. They never had any intention of
replacing it.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
They brought you to just scare the crap out of them.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
But it was still fun to go in and be like,
I can I can do this. I mean I knew
always I could do this, just I didn't have the face.
I didn't have the I was never going to be
plucked or discovered or I knew I couldn't go the
traditional way. I was going to have to go figure
out how to be an actor a different way. And
(39:15):
I just took me a long time. But it, like
you know, I eventually did it. But I do have
another story this. This was another turning point where I
realized I'm just not I don't look like on camera.
It's just not going to happen for me. So it
was a boy Meets World episode.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
And.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
So they it was an episode where Turner's old girlfriend
shows up Anthony Tyler Quinn's old girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
I remember the New Year's episode was that it No
New Year's.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Episode was three old girlfriends. This is the one where
he went to dinner with the girl Connecticut jacket girl
from Connecticut.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
That I never saw the episode Westport Girl. That's it.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Yeah, they didn't hire any actress. They couldn't cast her.
So for like three days I was playing the girlfriend,
and I remember I knew all lines and for run through,
and you know, I wasn't overacting or anything. I was
just doing the lines. But for run through, I knew,
like the producers, they need to see if things are working.
(40:21):
You can't just like read it flat. I mean, they
needed to know our joke's landing, you know. So I
took it seriously. I'm gonna give him something to see.
And so there was this one moment where they turner
and this girl have some kind of awkward goodbye, you know,
at the door and they're like, oh, Gordon, and he
shuts the door and she turns away and she's kind
(40:41):
of thinking, just thinking, and he's on the other side
of the door and they're both like thinking. She turned,
you know, kind of takes this moment of like and
she turns, she goes up to the door ready to knock,
and he opens it. It was like a timing thing.
So at the run through, I didn't know how long
he was going to be and just was this moment
(41:02):
that I turned to the door, I put my arm up,
he opened the door, and we kissed, real kissed. Like,
we kissed, and I know, so I've been married to
my husband since nineteen ninety five. Anthony Tyler Quinn is
the only man I ever kissed besides my husband. We don't.
(41:25):
And then afterwards he was married too, you know, we
were like. He was like, oh my god, I'm sorry.
Is that okay? I was like, no, no, I'm sorry.
I mean we just did it. And so like after that,
a bunch of people came up to me and said, wow,
you're really that was great. Why don't they just give
you the part? And I remember thinking, because I'm not
(41:46):
pretty enough, and so I remember knowing that. I was like,
I am not a leading lady. I never will be it.
I can't have this part. So they bring in the
actress and she was fine.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
She was nice.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
I still have no problem with her. She did fine.
So you know how we tape the show before the
audience came in. We'd get everything in the can and
then you know, the audience would come in. You guys
would do it live. So during the day when they
were filming, you know, she was filming that one scene
and Dedie goes, Jackie kim here. I said what And
(42:21):
I thought, oh ohm, I in trouble. She had her
head set on. She goes, I think you need to
hear this. She takes her head set off, she puts
it on me. All the camera guys and all the
people in the room upstairs going jacky, jacky jackey on
her scene, and I just wanted to cry.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
I was like, oh, oh my god, Like I.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Just it was so meaningful to me, Like it's not
that I suck, It's just that I won't be able
to go this route. I'm just gonna have to figure
out another way.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Oh my gosh, ya.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't you know, it's funny. I'm I'm interested that
you, you know, you sort of say like I'm not pretty enough.
First of all, that's just ridiculous in my opinion, but
I also think that that's not I think, you know,
I think there's something. Unfortunately, especially for the producers and
writers of our show, there was all the if you
were a stand in you were there were so many
(43:22):
strikes against you, like you they like they.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Were familiar with you, but yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So they never took you seriously as an actor. And
it was like, you know, you would have been better
in another situation. You know, if you could have like
been auditioning or acting in a but within the context
of our show. Like I think the strikes were against
you just contextually, you know, like and it had nothing
to do with your looks or your acting or any
of that. It's just literally like they're obsessed with like
(43:49):
who the casting director gets or like there's just there
was like this ceiling too to the to being a Sunday.
You're a placeholder.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Yeah, if you come in and you are doing better
than the actor that they cast, they.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Will never see it.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
You will never see it because I don't see that.
They're just standing in until we get the real actor.
And it was exactly they could give.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
You an extra job, right, they give you a background job,
They could give you a one line maybe, but something
like that, like a real like a guest star role.
There was no way that was ever going to happen,
no matter how good you were, you know. And but
I just want to say, it's not about your your
talent obviously, which I think you know, but also wasn't
about your looks. It was it was about the context
of that whole situation.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Like it depends on the producers, it depends on the
writers because again you guys know I bring this up
every single time, and you'd make fun of me for it.
But MASH, there was a an actress on MASH who
started as as a background actor, who was there for
years as a background actor. Then she started to have
a few lines. Then she started have a few lines,
and then season eight or nine there was an episode
all about her. She starred in the episode, right, And
(44:54):
so you will occasionally get shows where you you know,
they will see you for for who you are and
then use that talent. But unfortunately, I don't think our
just want to know.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
I don't know Rare Right, Yeah, I don't think you did.
Some of the some of the writers were like we
would hang out sometimes after taping. We would go to
a bar and I would sit with Howard and Matt
Nelson and what was.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
The bar in the valley? Like the Mexican to this
Mexican restaurant?
Speaker 5 (45:24):
What was that the cantina orsa vega.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
No idea. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
I just remember There's like one time near the end
of the show where I finally got to see like
where the writers went. I was like, Oh, it's like
this dark, cool Mexican restaurant in the Valley.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah, I would go and I'd be an equal like
it's weird, Like I'd be like, we be friends and
hang out, and then I'd come to this set and
it's like, Okay, yeah, I know my place.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I would like to say one other thing now, as
a as a director who's been on the other side
of those conversations, I've been in the rooms with the
EPs when they're talking about whether or not to give
a role to a stand in. Really a lot a
lot of time, what comes up is they don't want
there to be animosity and competition between the with the
(46:06):
other stand ins, and if we give this role to
Jackie this week, we are then going to feel like
we have to make it equal for the other stand ins,
and we don't want to be beholden to that. We
don't want to have to in our minds be thinking about, well,
we gave a role to Jackie. And so sometimes you
lose out on the role simply because they don't want
to set a precedent, I guess. So there's a lot
(46:29):
of things.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
That its awful Catch twenty two of, Like, the only
reason you take a stand in job is because you
want to be an actor, right for the most part.
I mean maybe there's exceptions, but it seems to me
like your only interest in it is to be within
the industry to get the experience. But then because you're
categorized as a stand in the same like you said
Jackie about being an extra, it's like you're a second
class actor and so within that context, they might never
(46:52):
be able to see you in this other light. So
in a weird way, it's like, while you're getting this experience,
while you're making connections, you're making connections sort of classified
as this other thing, you know, and that's like it's
a really tough you know. So yeah, I mean it
makes perfect sense that you were able to achieve voiceover
success because within that context, you know, you're just just
(47:13):
your pure talent, it's just your voice.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
But I had to leave LA to become become an actor, yeah, actor.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
You know, I think that's always the case, right, It's
like you just have to you have to be super
confident and like comfortable with your own life and your
own self and that and that shines through in everything
that you do. And I think like for you, clearly
you you when you when the second you made that
move of like well this is what I care about.
This is then I think that that plays out in
every other aspect of your life where that confidence probably
(47:41):
you know, helped you all around.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Just had to get creative. I had to do everything
just a little bit differently than the standard way.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
But that's okay.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
You you said that you don't think Michael even knew
your name, which brings me to something that for Unfortunately
for writer Danielle and I, we saw an episode not
too long ago that took place in part of it
took place in the Wilderness Store, and one of the
actors in the Wilderness Store was one of our stand ins.
Featured background was one of our stand ins, and we
couldn't remember his name.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Wait a minute. It was a guy named Mark Mark Mark,
and Mark had like some kind of strange to pay
Maybe Mark.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
I remember he had glasses. It was exactly yes, okay,
so it was Mark Mark.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
So he was there for a very short time.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
I think, yeah, And I don't know who I mean,
I didn't come in at the beginning. Who was there
before me? Who was the female.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
People?
Speaker 1 (48:48):
We had little people for the first season because because
we were we were smaller, we were all kids. So
the first season. It was it was three. It was
Kevin and Tracy, Tracy and and uh.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
Oh my god, Kevin, Tracy and John. No, I can
picture them all. Two of them were married. Tracy was
married right.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
To the guy who we can't remember. Yeah, oh my god,
what was his name?
Speaker 5 (49:17):
N I thought it was John, but I could be wrong. Yeah,
So it was we had little people the first was it.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Only the first season that we had little people, and
maybe a little bit of the second, but you know,
then Ben and I got tall, and so it was
really only Morgan was the only.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Let's explain that a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So when you have a kid's show, at least back
in the nineties, it was very common practice that your
stand ins would they would try to find stand ins
that were as close to your height as possible. Because
although lighting on a multi camera set is not quite
as important as Jackie mentioned, on a film set where
they're really lightingt framing is important. The cameras need to
know if someone is if a child is sitting, and
(49:56):
then they stand up. Camera needs to know what the
focus needs to be when they stand up. Lighting needs
to know where do I need to light Where's And
so our first season the majority of our stand ins
were little people, and because.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Then adults, because then they can work longer hours because
of kids. Then you have to provide school, you have to,
you know, so you need grown ups who are under
you know, the five foot or whatever. We were four
and a half feet. So yeah, so you end up
with like a little people, which we had.
Speaker 9 (50:27):
Yeah, and now I have to pang a hair almost,
I know exactly did you ever think when you were
working on Boy Meets World that we would still be
talking about it thirty years later?
Speaker 4 (50:41):
No, first of all thirty years that just was I know, incomprehensible.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
No, I mean I followed it when I left, and
I followed Girl Meets World, and I you know, knew
loosely what you guys were doing, but I know, I
knew it was a major, major show. I had a
major impact on a lot. You guys have super fans.
It was a big deal for a lot of people.
(51:12):
So am I surprised? No? Not really. I mean it
warms my heart to see you guys together, still friends,
still like not poopooing this experience, but like really looking
at it from a different perspective, more mature, you know.
(51:34):
But being super honest and transparent, but also really treating
it with respect and like being so good to your fans.
I mean, gosh, I love that. I love that, Jackie.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I have this memory that it's kind of weird, and
you probably don't remember it, but I wanted to bring
it up because I think it shows like my mindset
at the time, which is like just doesn't make sense
to me now. But when you were leaving, like I remember,
we were all very sad, and it was like in
the middle of the season, and it was like, oh
my gosh, well that's good for you that you're, you know,
(52:08):
making this move, and you seemed really happy. And then
I remember you asked me to sign like a script
or a photograph or whatever, and I got really upset
and like yeah, and I was like I'm not And
I remember being like it was like a big deal
of saying but Jackie's my friend, Like I'm not going
to sign. And I did eventually do it, but it
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just goes to show that, like, you know, and of
course now I'm like, I'm glad I signed it, and
I'm glad because we haven't stayed in touch. But when
you were nineteen eighteen years old and you're on a
TV show and we work together. I was like, well,
Jackie's always going to be in my life, We're always
going to be friends. Why should I have to sign
something for her? And like what a jackass? Like what
a like classic? You know, like why you know it's
(52:49):
like or on the flip side, like why didn't we
keep in touch? Like you know, shut up?
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Writer, like but it was so social media though at
the time totally it was just like that.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
It just show's the bubble that we were in, do
you know what I mean? Like the bubble that I
was in, certainly like where I was and I had
this real like moments.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
Got the original mug too. Look at that, oh.
Speaker 4 (53:10):
Truly, and you know it's weird. Writer. I have pictures
because we didn't have cell phone you know, camera phones
at the time. I'm so sad. I have a picture
of me and Danielle hugging me, and Will hugging me
and Ben hugging and I don't have a picture with you,
and I'm so sad of me and Bill.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
I have like the next time writers in Ashville, you
should stop by. And I also want to talk to
you before we say goodbye to you. I want to
talk to you about your other art. You were such
an artist, a voiceover artist, and actor, all these things,
but I want to talk to you about your your
physical media art.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Tell me about the well.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
I was always creative, but I just wanted to be
an actor, so that was all the focus. But when
I had a home studio and I didn't drive to
all the studios all the time, I would have all
this downtime at home. So in my basement where my
booth was, I had another room that I kind of
turned into a craft room an art studio, and I
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just loved making things where I didn't have to wait
for permission to practice my craft. You know, as a
voiceover actor, you gotta wait. I mean, you can walk
around doing voices all day, but you have to be cast.
You have to you know, you gotta wait to practice
your craft. And I was like, oh, I can paint,
you know, whatever I want, anytime I want, and I
can be the total boss of this. So I started
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doing that, and then I got into my first gallery
the same way I did everything else. Totally my way
through that, and I had no experience. I basically went
to a really prestigious gallery here in the River Arts District.
This is my gallery, by the way, And I went
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up to the gallery owner and I said, I would
love for you to carry my work. And I can't
afford rent to pay rent to have a working studio
in the district, So if you would give me a
corner of your gallery that I could paint in, and
if you will represent me, I will work for free
three days a week volunteer at your gallery so you
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can take off and I will help your customers, and
again so I can learn everything about the gallery and
being a good artist. And he was like done. So
I did that. I got my first representation. And this
gallery is right upstairs from that gallery, and I would
come visit here, and this had many artists in it,
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and I remember thinking, if I ever had my own gallery,
I really like that. And then an opening came up
and the girl that had this space, there's like a leaseholder,
and then there were sub letters. She invited me to
be a part of this gallery, which I did, and
I still said one day. She was here for ten years,
and the days she decided to do something else, she said,
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would you like to over the gallery?
Speaker 5 (56:01):
I'm like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
I eventually always got what I wanted, always through a
creative way. That's been pretty much my life. So now
I do this more full time and I still do voiceovers,
but not as much. I have a few regular clients.
I still have my home studio. I still do it,
but I just don't the mark is just different. It's
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just a different situation now.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
So well, finely, when we asked you to check out
the Shallow Boy episode where you totally steal the scene
with the greatest disease, what are your feelings when you
see yourself twenty five years ago or so on screen,
and what would you tell that version of Jackie.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
Oh, that's very emotional, to be honest, of course, the
first thing I did when I saw myself was ooh,
I was not not pretty. I just looked at myself
and just said, oh. But I thought it was funny.
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I thought it was a funny moment. I loved the scene.
I loved watching the episode. It was a little hard
to watch myself, and I think maybe that's maybe that
is where things just kind of worked out for the best.
Where I just never did on camera. I did voiceover
work where that was not a factor. I can be
a grandmother, I can be a little kid. I can
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do you know, I wouldn't have that, But it was
that was hard to watch myself, to be honest, it
was it was difficult and I never yeah yeah, But
then I watched it again and I kind of got
over it and got it.
Speaker 7 (57:48):
Got it, Get over yourself.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Jack What would you like to tell that version of Jackie?
What would you like to tell your young self?
Speaker 4 (57:56):
I would just say, keep going, girl. You will get
every single thing you want. It's just going to take
a while. And just take notes. Be nice, be kind,
be respectful, just don't don't get discouraged. You'll get there.
It'll just be a little different. It'll just look a
little different, but you'll get there.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
Well.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
I am perfectly comfortable speaking for all of us on
this zoom when I say to you, without trying to
be creepy, we have never once thought of you as
anything other than extremely talented and absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yes, you have never. It is never.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
None of the thoughts that you have had about yourself
in that way have ever ever crossed our minds.
Speaker 4 (58:41):
Nope, thank you.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
You You are special and you are unique, and you
are funny, and all of our memories with you are
positive and in all of our memories you are beautiful
the same way you are now.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
Thank you so much, you guys. I'm just so happy
all of you. Just your lives have turned out so well.
Your parents, you're married, you're successful, you're behind the scenes,
you haven't You've all flourished. You know, as we know
child actors, there's many ways that can turn out. And you, guys,
I always was hoping for the best for you, and
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you guys did it. I'm just so happy.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well, thank you happy, and thank you for all that
you contributed to our ears on Boy Meets World. Please
let people know where they can find you, where they
can find your art, give us all your where where
can we find you?
Speaker 5 (59:30):
So?
Speaker 4 (59:31):
I am on Instagram at Jackie fell f e h L.
I am in Asheville and the River Arts District. I
have this gallery. I also have a home studio, not
on Facebook much but kind of there. And yeah, I
think I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, And so for for Instagram, it is also j
A c q u I and then as she spelled
fell f e h L. You can find her there
and see all of her incredible art.
Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
And Jackie voiceover chick.
Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Is you can hear my weird little demos on voiceover
chick dot com. It hasn't been updated. It still says
I s dan technology. But if you want to hear
my demos, that's where they are.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
So incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Jackie, thank you so much for spending your time with
us this morning. It's been such a pleasure to see
you again and reconnect with you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
You too, You guys, let's hang out.
Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
Are we doing?
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
And we're doing. We're in North Carolina, but we're where
are we going? We're going to Durham, Durham. That's pretty
far right.
Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
My daughter's in like an hour from Chapel Hill, not
far from you guys. She's at school at Campbell University.
But I know I was thinking should I drive out
there and crash?
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
But yes, think if you're able to, please do.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
We would love to see you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Thanks you guys, So proud of you all and appreciate
you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Thank you by Jackie. Yeah, that's actually a great idea.
Jensen just said she can come up. She can be
a part of our live show and docre.
Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Where she comes throws everything in the back of the
be amazing. Yeah, love it be fun.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
God is so good to see her.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I know, I know, she looks exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Her hair color has changed, she wasn't gray back then,
but that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
And I'm so glad you said somedingy, Danielle, because once
again it would be creepy for me to talk about
how beautiful she was. Always so gorgeous. Gorgeous, that's like
one of the defining things about Jacket. So the fact
that she brought it up multiple times, like I wasn't
pretty enough, is like, wow, that's just you know, we
all have these things about ourselves, you know, and especially
I think for actors it's always you know, how you
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look is just the thing that you're concerned about because
so much of the industry, especially back then. I'm hoping
it's less so, but you know, it is superficial. It's
part of the job is to be and so you
have to be concerned with presentation, and unfortunately that becomes
so much self judgment and self doubt and man, it's
such a bumber to hear at somebody so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Ever ever, she looks like like in my casting head,
she looks like a superhero. Yeah, hold on, looks like
a superhero to me, Like I'd love to cast her
in something where she plays a badass because she looks
like a superhero. Yes, she's such a cool.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
So awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode
of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us
on Instagram pod meets World Show. You can send us
your emails podmeets Worldshow at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
And we have merch merch.
Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
For the love of God, somebody bring me the merch.
Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Oh will send us out.
Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
We love you all, pod dismissed.
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
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Wilfredell and Ryder Strong executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman,
Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,
Tara Sudbaksh producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World
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Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
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We were watching Survivor last night, and like, you know,
somebody just was just tanking their own tribe's challenge because she,
you know, wanted to prove herself being right now.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I was like, cee, Indie, really, so wait, she was
doing like the definition of biting her nose to spite
her face? Yes, and how tell us explain the situation?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, so it's it's Game Changers. This is our second
time watching this season from thirty four. I think it's
Debbie rewatching the season third time.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Oh my god, that must be a really good one.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's a great season. Ozzie's there, Malcolm just got kicked out.
It's amazing. Anyway, Debbie is just tanking her own team
because they they didn't let her pick, you know, the
last challenge which position she had, and but you you
watch the playback and she clearly asked to be on
the balance beam and they let her on the balance beam.
(01:09):
But she made it all about Culpepper anyway, so out
of spite, she's like sitting there and I just turned
to India and I'm like, you know, sometimes it's it
feels so good to be right, but wouldn't you rather
just be happy? Like, you know, it's like it's either
happy or right. Sometimes it really does come down to that.
And I was like, and we all do it, We
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all so badly want to be right. And it's like
that is way actually almost more of a drive than
being happy, like you feel it in the moment.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
More.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's more like you're adrenaline pushes you to win or
to be right, and it's like it's you need it
and you want it and you're so willing to get
it that you'll completely tank your own interests and your
own happiness. It's awful, But it's like one of those
things like, oh my god, I wish I'd known this
when I was younger. You know, it's like you just
don't like you just it's so it's such a it's
(01:59):
like a drug, you know, righteousness.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I've never had to deal with that because I'm just
always right and naturally I don't know how it happens.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So I've really never experienced that because I've.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I was right.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I was wrong once nineteen ninety four. It was it
was not great.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, oh you remember exactly the time.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well what about you?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
When were you wrong?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I've never been right. I've come to that realization. There's
a there's a great Falstaffian kind of joy in knowing
you are never ever right, no matter what you do.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's so great to just walk through life knowing that,
and then you are really always happy because you won.
You know you're not going to be right, but then
if you are, what a pleasant surprise it is.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
But it's also this this there's this this string that
fate has or happiness has, or whatever it is, that
has wrapped tightly and yet suppily around my chest to
where every time I get to the point where I'm like, wow,
actually starting to be happy, something for my past rips
me the back and goes, No, you are an anxiety ridden,
(03:07):
sometimes fat human being who got lucky with your wife.
That's your lot, bro, you don't get anything more than that.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Man this morning Falstaffian and supply has already come out
of Will's mouth.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I am pro stoked.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I am here for he's been reading the thesaurus.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh no, he's just it's just on fire.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I love it. Let's go, let's go, let's bring it, Jackie.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Welcome to Pon Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischle.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm right strong, and I'm Wilfride When we recently recapped
Shallow Boy and declared it one of our absolute favorite
episodes of Boy Meets World so far. A lot of
things stood out on our first watch in at least
twenty five years. The pure dynamo that was Lesha Haley's
first acting gig, the songwriting of Jeff Sherman, Will's impeccable
comedic timing, even a possible autographed O J Simpson Jersey
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on the Wall. But the one thing that had us
scrubbing back on Disney Plus to watch it again and
again for laughs, the hilarious reaction of a Chubby's waitress
trying her hardest to serve tables but also immediately get
Eric that check he needs, and we all knew jack Oh,
so that's so good, and we all knew, Hey, that's Jackie.
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She was one of our stand ins and the occasional
background actor who had some lines here and there, but
more importantly than that, we loved her. Luckily, I had
kept in touch with Jackie over the years through social
media and followed her career as she now, like director
Jeff McCracken, has shifted her talents to art as well
as some side work in voiceover and considering we had
(04:43):
dozens of emails praising her reaction acting, which I think
is fair to abbreviate as a reacting. We wanted to
bring her on the podcast and dig deeper into her small,
yet critical role and everything about this lovely person. So
welcome to pod meets World, Jackie Fell.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Oh my god, Hi, that's usually my job. I always
start crying.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Look amazing, So did you? God? Exactly the same.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
So great to.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
See you exactly how I imagined you too, looking cool
in a gallery. I love it. Amazing. Are you in
North Carolina? Still?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I am. I'm in Asheville.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yes, I love Ashville.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You've been here?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah? Yeah, but I actually almost went to grad school
there because there's a great writing program that.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
What is this?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
What is the name? Wilson? Wilson wis? Yeah? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Amazing, that's so fun.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So, Jackie, I think we have mentioned the job of
stand in a couple of times on this podcast, but
I I think maybe we've just assumed that people understand
really what that means. So will you start by telling
us exactly what this important job is on a TV show?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Okay, So there's kind of two different things. So a
stand in on a sitcom is different than a stand
in on a film show or a movie. So I've
done both. And on a film or a film show,
you don't necessarily know, you don't get a script, you
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don't know even if you're coming back. You're just told
show up at this time, report to this person, and
maybe you get the title, and you you don't really know.
And so that is where pretty much you're you're there
for lighting purposes. So the actors will come in rehearse
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a scene, and basically as a stand in you work
with the director of photography mostly, so what they do
is they were and then maybe the third camera assistant
will walk around and put little tape marks on all
the key spots that the actors are standing in, so
each like piece of tape would be a different setup,
a different lighting setup. So then once they rehearsed, and
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if you're very lucky, they write it down the number
order of those tape because sometimes you look around it's
just like a pile of tape spots all over the floor.
And then when the actors are released, they will say
second team. That's what stand ins are called. Hit mark
number one. You just stand there and they work around
you and you can sometimes talk with the other stand ins.
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You're very quiet, you don't, you know, you just are
there for like you move to you know, spot number two,
just number two. So on a multi camera show, it's
completely different. So there you get a script. You pretty
much know what's going on all the time, and so
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came on for you guys, or because you guys were minors,
so in that sense, when you guys were at school,
that's when they would maybe use us the stand ins. However,
they organized it so well that you guys really did
all your rehearsals. They hardly ever used us for miners
(08:22):
at all. It was usually for guest stars that they
didn't hire for five days. Sometimes it would just be
three days. So we would fill in for the various
guest stars. Uh maybe you weren't even cast yet, and so.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
That was basically acting with us. Yeah, like you in
the scenes all week. So for rehearsals and run through,
you guys would be the guest cast, like our our
troop of stand ins were our sort of like recurring
like our cast. Yeah, our coasts for the whole week.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, but with zero pressure on us, which was amazing, Like,
you know, it's the easiest job in the world, like
if we have no pressure whatsoever. And what was really
cool is when we were shooting at CBS Radford, I
lived right across the street. I literally walked to work.
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And because I was so broke at the time, I
was newly married. My husband was a substitute teacher during
the day and went to school at night to get
his full teaching credential. I would go and show up early,
eat breakfast at Craft Service for free, then at lunch
I'd make another sandwich at Craft Service. I had two
meals that I got no pressure hang around most of
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the day. And also your show and the other multi
camera show that I worked on, which was thunder Alley. Yeah, Andrew, Keegan,
Danielle and you guys were so both sets were so
nice that I always felt welcomed, respected, part of a team.
It was really the best experience.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Well that's the thing. I mean, at the end of
the day, we acted with y'all more than we acted
with anybody else. Because you're right, the guest stars would
come in every once in a while, but the team
of stand ins, we were an ensemble for I mean again,
we acted with you all more than we acted with
anybody else. Yeah, never really thought about that before.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
It was the best training, honestly. I mean I always
wanted to be an actor, but I knew waiting tables.
What am I going to learn? Nothing where you gonna
like really learn, not just the business, but just how
to be professional, how to be really good. And that's
why I loved working behind the scenes because of the
best education ever. I learned what to do and what
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not to do.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah. So what season did you start on boy Meet's
World with us?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
So?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I started season three, episode nine, and again I didn't
know that I had the job. It was so I
think it was Michael Shay that called me in because
I worked with his brother Bill Shay on thunder Ally Okay,
So I think that's how Michael Shea knew who I was.
So it was just, hey, we've got a job for
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you this week. That's all you're told. You're gonna be
standing in for a guest star who was Brittany Murphy
who was not famous.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Right, she was playing Triny.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, yes, Trieny. And so that was my first and
I remember going on and saying, you know, I'm coming back.
I don't know who was here before me, because then
it was just like, you're free next week, Yes, yes, okay,
you'll be the kids standing. I never knew how long,
and it just was you. Maybe they just will just
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keep calling me back. I'll just keep showing up.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So do you remember Brittany at all?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I do? I do. I remember. I pretty much came
home that first week to my husband and I said,
I don't know who this girl is, but she's really funny.
She's got some like she doesn't just play the obvious joke,
she nicles under it. She just was so nuanced and
sophisticated and just so goofy. I was like, I think
(12:08):
she's going to be a star.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You were right, You were absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Did you know anything about Boy Meets World before you started?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Had you ever heard of the show? Nothing?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I had no idea. I thought it was such a
weird title. I had no idea who anybody was. No,
it was just a job. And I don't even remember
if we were shooting at kt LA Disney. I know
it wasn't Radford at that time. Season three was kat
A was kat A?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Were stoked because you were like, oh, yeah, I know,
I want to work.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
It was so great.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And then how long did you stay? You were all
the way through season six? Right or seven?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Don't know, I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember
it was you know, Jack was there, the red Hair
Maitln was there.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Was well into season six, if not seven, because I
remember you leaving and it was like early and it
was like halfway through the season. I remember being like,
oh my god, Jack, we.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Were seriously bummed. I remember that when you told us
that you were leaving, was like, I know.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I just had to We needed to make the move.
We wanted to start a family. You know, we couldn't
afford to live there. All of our family was on
the East Coast, So yeah, we made a big move.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
So as a stand in, do you also work very
closely with the directors?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Well, yeah, not as much on our show because it
was such a well oiled machine. Plus you guys were
older and you didn't So when I worked on thunder Alley,
I stood in or Haley Joel Osmond, who was five
at the time, and I was also his dialogue coach,
and the director was Robbie Benson and he so because
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Haley was five there was a lot. He was in
school a lot more so I really did a lot
of his rehearsals for him, and Robbie would give me,
not just like acting notes, he would give me blocking notes,
you know, all kinds of acting notes. Plus Haley was
so young. I would go through the script with him
and he would have his arm around me. And then
(14:34):
I remember one day I show up and he's at
the table and he's got the script and I'm like, Haley,
what are you doing. He's like, oh, I'm reading the
script like you can read. This was like months later.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
He never told me he could read.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
He's like, yeah, just like when you do it better.
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So other thing I don't think we've talked about enough.
Will you talk about the role of a dialogue coach?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yes, So I was not a dialogue coach on your show.
I was a dialogue coach on thunder Alley. For it
was basically to run lines to help people memorize their lines.
It wasn't giving them acting notes, and it wasn't dialect coach.
So I wasn't teaching any accents or anything. And with
Haley's case, he just wasn't on set that much because
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he was so young, So Robbie I worked very close
with him, and he would and especially on rehearsals when
the cameras would be there, I'd be way in the
back because I'm a stand in, you know, I'm like
bottom of the barrel. And he would be like, oh,
we need and he would look around Jackie and I yes, yes, Robbie,
and he was like, okay, you know, make sure he
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did this and this and this. And I would write
it all down. And it got to the point where
I would be standing next to the director at the
monitors and he would see something. He'd look at me
and I'd be like, yep, I got it. We wouldn't
even talk. It was so rewarding and so wonderful, and
I loved, loved that part of the job. I was
so close with Haley. I ended up my daughter's name
(16:05):
is Haley. Haley was the first maternal stirrings I ever had.
That's so cool. He was at my wedding.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, And how old is your Haley? Now?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
My Haley is in her first year of medical school.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Oh my god, I was so old.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
That's so awesome. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Yeah, I did. I loved doing all that and on
Boy Meets World. What was really cool is uh McCracken
and David Traynor. They were so nice and so treated
us so well that they would throw us voiceover off
camera lines all the time, which was I don't even
know if Michael Jacobs knew that we were just do
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it in the run through and then be like, just
do it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Pay pump, right, I mean that would.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yes, and a residual. It was a huge deal.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Thousands of dollars. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I remember how excited we would be when one of
the stand ins would get a job on camera too,
because I remember the first time it happened was Model
Family with Matt Kirkwood still in touch with him the greatest.
So he played the photographer and we were all super excited.
We told that story about how you know, Michael was like.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I see him his hairs now his hair's up, and
we saw that get all scared because it's like, oh no,
what's going on. They had him put his hair down.
But the same thing happened to you during Shallow Boy,
No Legend, No.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
No, no. So I was technically an extra. I never
had an on camera roll on Boy Meet Swirld I
had many voiceover jobs, so I am so grateful, but
I never got to sit in the makeup share, which wow,
is a dream. Oh No, Basically.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You stole that scene in Shallow as an extra. It's
like Haley and then you the guest stars and that
that's so good. It makes the whole joke. It's so funny.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
It does.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And I never just been throughout the week like do
you remember how that happened? Like was that?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yes? So as a stand in you get a day rate,
and at the time it was like one hundred bucks
a day, and technically you can be used as an extra.
They could force you to be an extra. I didn't
want to be an extra because I wanted to be
an actor and that kind of looked bad. So of
course Steve Hayfer, who I loved and was so kind
(18:41):
and I'm still in contact with him, it was like, Jackie,
we really need you to be a waitress at Chubby's.
And I was like, all right, nothing was written in
the script. It was just to give you somebody to
go check. So I don't think Sherman wrote anything in there.
It was it was Sherman, right, they wrote that. I think, yeah,
there was no direct action. So I thought, well, good god,
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if I've got to do this, I might as well
have fun with it. And so I just came up
with that bit, oh just because I was bored, Like
what am I going to do?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Do it during the Did we do it during the
run through? We must have done it during the run
You must have done it during the run through, because yeah, yeah,
because we wouldn't have put you in through wardrobe and
put you in the scene unless they were like, you
didn't have to have this beat.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I had no wardrobe, no makeup, no, because I was
an extra.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
But didn't you but that You're wearing a waitress outfit, right,
so you had to have.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Like they give me an they gave her an apron.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Oh yeah, I know. It was so funny, But I
was just technically, uh, I guess it's background actor.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
When I started, it was features background actor.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But if you were being paid as a stand and
then you wouldn't have even been paid as a background
extra for.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That, not at all, right, you were I was just
counted as part of your job.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
The voiceovers that you would get, like what were the
voiceover the off camera stuff?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
All of your family at the trailer Park. It was
kind of lot. Can't you down? There was a you know,
neighbor or something screaming that was me. Then I was
all the TV show commercials like, uh, you're singled out?
I think I singled out, singled out? There was I
was on the Witches of Pembrook. I was enraging Corey
(20:20):
Flamingo kid. I don't know, it's like six Maybe that's
so fun.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Voiceovers The best job in the world, isn't it. It
is the best job in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And Jackie, that's what you've been doing a lot now, right,
So talk to us about your voiceover work.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yes, so I I am A was a full time
voiceover talent for twenty five years.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Isn't that the best? It's the bad?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Leave LA to make it as.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So where it goes.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
But I will share a little story with you about
pretty much a life changing moment that I had of
it changed my life and how I was going to
show up. Is that okay for me to tell me
this story? Okay? So, I don't know if this was
in our one of the hiatuses or whatnot. Maybe it
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was before I start on Boy Meets World. But I
get a call when you do as a stand in
on this you know movie. Okay, here's who you report to.
I had no idea anything, so I report and it
turns out that the show had been it was a movie,
and I was replacing somebody that got fired, so already
I'm terrified. Oh my god. I was tending an actress
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who was a child actress who was now an adult transitioned.
She was stunningly beautiful. I was so excited to be there,
and she just would not look at me, would not
say hello, we would you know pass I would you know,
leave the mark and she would take over. She just
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looked beyond me, and I thought, okay, I have no
idea what happened to the other person. I just played
it really cool, just minded my own business, so stayed
out of her way. And there was one scene where
it was kind of a stunt where she was on
this swing and she had a fall down, like flying
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off the swing and landed in this dirt and leaves,
and the DP said to me, the director of photography,
I really need to set up this shot. It's going
to be an extreme close up of her face on
the ground. Can you help me do this? So for
I for like hours, I was flying off the swing
into the dirt. I was bruised, I had twigs in
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my hair. I'm a prap bloodied. It was a night shoot.
I was freezing. So they bring her out. We'll just
call her Jane Jane. So she comes out and the
DP says, Jackie's going to show you where your mark is,
how we rehearsed it. It's really important that you land
on this mark. So she's standing there and I do
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the whole thing for her, and I'm covered in mud.
I'm on the ground and I look up and she's
literally really standing over me, and she goes, that's the
worst job in the world. I was like, are you
freaking kidding me?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
She was in her twenties, making thousands and thousands of dollars.
I was making maybe one hundred bucks a day, much
older than her. That night, we were walking to our
cars at the same time, and I hung way back
so she wouldn't see me. We're walking up and she,
you know, turns into this like gorgeous sports car and
(23:32):
I turned into my beat up Hyundai that was dented,
no air conditioning, no radio. First car I ever had,
the car I had the entire time for ten years
that I was in LA. That's how broke I was.
And she got in her car and I literally got
down on my knees in the middle of the street
and I said, God, Universe, please let me be an actor.
(23:59):
I will be on time, I will be professional, I
will be respectful, I will be grateful. I may not
be the best actor I may, but I will be
kind to everyone. Never forgot that, and to this day,
I've never been late for a job ever. I've never complained.
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I have been kind to whoever was on the totem pole,
and I have been so professional so that well, and
you know, I never said her name. I never told
anybody who it was, because honestly, I don't know if
she was going through she had a long career after it.
I don't know if she was you know, I didn't
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want to do the movie. It was awful. I know
if she was contractually buying, you know, buying to that,
or if she broke up with her boyfriend, or if
she lost her reund like, I don't know what her
story was. So I'm going to give her the benefit
of the doubt that it wasn't me. It was just
a time in her life. So I took it as like,
what a great teaching moment that I you know, you
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guys modeled really how to be awesome and respectful and
professional and kind. And she showed me the other side
of it, and I was like, Okay, I've seen this,
I know what to do. And so that was a
big turning point for me.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's amazing. I know you said that we modeled kind of,
but we we must have been clueless to such a
degree just as kids, I mean as teenagers. I mean
like there was no you know, we're sitting there and
we've talked about like our amazing parking spots with ours,
and we drive up. Meanwhile you're like taking extra meals
(25:43):
that you can from craft Service. You're like basically, you know,
hoarding sandwiches from Craig Right, that like disconnect must have
been palpable for you in a way that we had
no idea because we in our naivete we like we're
all equals and we're all having fun, but we're clue.
That must have been Was that hard for you or
weird for you or did you ever feel like you
(26:04):
wanted to just smack us?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Not you guys? Uh, personally, I had a lot of
shame around it because you know, I wanted to be
something I couldn't I didn't have the opportunity to be.
But so, like I said, there were some people that
I don't want to say they were clueless, but they
were just so self absorbed. You guys just were kind.
You didn't it never occurred to you because that wasn't
(26:28):
your reality. But you didn't make me feel bad or
less or I just kept that to myself. Nobody knew.
That was just you know, where I was in my life.
But you guys were awesome, always kind and professional and
God made me laugh all the time.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I was just I remember that quite a bit. I
remember that quite a bit. You and I hung out
a lot because aside, yeah, because it was it was
the again they were sometimes they were in school still
or especially by third season. So I just remember you
and I having some great conversations and stuff about your art,
(27:05):
and I mean we, yeah, we talked a lot, you
and I. It was it was a ton of fun.
I just remember it fully enjoying that. And so I
know we're going to get into your art, but I
have a story that I doubt you'll remember but it
was very important in my life. So you were you
would come in at the time you were doing beaded pouches.
(27:26):
You were selling. You were selling these really cool handmade
so you had one that was really really cool. And
I had this idea that I wanted to do. So
the day that there was a movie that we all
auditioned for called Trojan War. And making the transition at
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the time from being a television actor to a film
actor was a very big deal. And I booked Trojan
War and I signed a three picture deal with Warner Brothers.
Oh my god. So I yeah, no. If you're like, wow,
Trojan War, I've never seen it, No one has, but
I went to you. This was so the when I
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found out I was going to be doing the movie,
I bought one of your beaded pouches and I took
I took the date that I got the job from
a calendar, and I folded it up and I put
it in your beaded pouch and I gave it to
my mom as a gift. So she opened the pouch
and she took off the first She's like, God, this
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is beautiful. And I was like, well, there's something inside
for you, and she opened it up and there was
the date, and I said, that's the date I booked
the thing. But and she still has it. I saw
it was and she still has the date is still
in your perfect It's a black and white little beaded
pouch that is just still perfectly handmade, and it's in
my mom's jewelry box and she still has it there
to this day. So I literally just saw it.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Oh you yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Now you know I needed the money, but it was so.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Special to me that I remember being like, I need
to take this and I need to put this special
date inside. And that was the gift from my mom
was your beating.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Oh thank you so much. That's so sweet.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I also worked as a cigarette girl. Uh yeah during
Boy Meets World.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I remember that you had the tray.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Oh okay, the life I was like a cigarette.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
They haven't like I don't remember anybody had my cigarettes what.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Like the fifties costume. I would work like Monday nights
from ten to three in the morning. Uh, just for
that extra money. And it was so funny because I,
you know, I had the whole tray, all these cigarettes
and candy, and I wasn't interested in like meeting, you know,
going to raves. I was there like I'm gonna make money,
Like I wanted to go to the best club. So
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I would stand literally in front of and next to
the cigarette machine with my whole tray of cigarettes. So
my cigarettes were like two seventy five, no, three twenty five,
and the cigarette machine was two twenty five. So I
would stand there and people would come up to the
cigarette machine. I'd be like really, and I'd be like,
all right, yeah, I'll take what you So I would
(30:02):
like pack it, open it, light it for them. They
would give me like a five dollars and I would
just go thank you, and they would be like uh,
And I'm like, oh you want to change.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
They're like that's.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Likely people into tips.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Where was this in La? Where was this?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah? Well it was I think it was called the
China Club. It was something in Beverly Hills. I didn't
want to work any of the other hip, you know,
young people clubs. I wanted where the most money was.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
So I was a club.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah wait, how did you get a job like that?
Was there like a cigarette girl agency? That was like
sending people?
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yes, Miss Kidney's concessions, you guys. I had so many
weird jobs. I also worked the William Morris Agency, do
you know what? So I totally like faked my way
into that job too, Like this has been my mo
my whole life. It's like, Okay, how can I like
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get in through the back door and like figure out
a creative way because I'm never going to be an
actor waiting tables or doing it the traditional way. I'm
just going to learn from the inside out. So sorry,
I got so many stories, you guys. It just cut
me off and we're like going to the boy.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
That's what we're here for.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
So basically, right out of college, I moved to LA.
I had no family support. I was completely broke. I
crashed with like a friend, you know, like sleeping on
her couch. I eventually got an apartment and I had
no car in La. So I went to a temp agency,
had no idea what was going on. They're like, okay,
(31:42):
we have an opening at the William Morris Agency. You're
going to be subbing at a new agent's desk for
a few days. I'm like, no, kad, no idea what
it was. So I show up and I'm like, ooh,
I took a bus. So that was like an hour
early ahead of me. So I took a bus. I'm
in Beverly Hills. I'm like, oh, this is a big deal.
So I sit on the desk and looking around and
(32:02):
they're like, all you have to do is just answer phones. He's,
you know, gonna be interview. He was a new agent.
His name was Rick. He was kind of like Matthew Perry.
He looked like a blonde Matthew Perry and he had
the same irreverent sense of humor. And so he was
brand new. So he got like a ton of jobs that,
like the other agents didn't want, so he was really
(32:23):
like trying to juggle everything. He'd be like, okay, here's
a list of actors. There's the headshot room. It was
in the commercial and voiceover department. He's like, just go
pull the headshots, put them in an envelope, and then
send them to dispatch. You know, I'm like okay. So
as I was doing all that stuff and just answer
the phones, he was interviewing for a full time assistant.
(32:43):
So he was so funny. I had such a great
time with him. So I kept calling up that temp
agency and I said hey, make sure you put me
on this guy's desk tomorrow. They're like, okay, So Rick's office,
So he would be facing the door and whoever was
interviewing would have their back to the door. So I
had one of those like rolling chairs, so as he
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was interviewing, I would literally roll past the doorway and
I'd be like and I was just making him laugh
the whole time. Oh, and I was like, So finally,
after three days he comes out and he goes, do
you just want this job? I'm like, oh, yeah, fu,
you never ask. So I got the job and like
(33:27):
a week later, you know, we didn't even have computers.
This is like eighty nine or something. So I'm at
the typewriter typing up a contract he gave me, and
he's standing over me. He's like, you have no idea
how to type? Do you?
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Like?
Speaker 4 (33:39):
No, He's like, you've never been an administrative assistant, have you?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Okay? Great? And I was there for We had the
best time. He gave me so much responsibility because he
was so busy. And then about a year later I
got pulled in you know, you know, the whole famous
like male you know that William Morris back in the day.
You would do mailroom dispatch junior agent. Then you would
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become an agent. So in the voiceover department, people would
come in an audition so I could listen to them.
I would call up there, you know, I would get
them into their auditions a voicecaster and he laying Craig.
I don't even know if these places are around anymore.
And sometimes I would if like somebody canceled and say, oh,
I can't make it this audition. I would sometimes call
(34:27):
up as that actor and imitate them. So I would
like to do a voice and be like, hey, I'm
really sorry, I can't make it today, and they'd be like,
oh no, no worries, and I'm like, okay, I can do this.
So I was like learning behind the scenes. And after
a year the head of the department came up to
me and he said, listen, we love you. We would
like to offer you skipping the entire process. You will
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be driving a Mercedes in a year. Would you like
to be an agent here? And that was my crossroads
where I was like like nope, because I don't want
to throw away my dream of being an actor. So
I left and became a waitress and hated that. Yeah,
(35:13):
so that was my kids. Yeah, and he helped me
a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
How did you then get into voiceover?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Well, so Rick the agent, he was like, well, because
I could imitate everybody, everybody on the roster, I could
do it. And I was watching them audition yea, and
he was like, I want you to study with At
the time, Sue Blue, I don't know if you know yeap.
She did my demo. She hired me for a job
because I had no no representation, and they were like, oh,
(35:45):
we'll represent you. I'm like, okay, I'm at William Morris
with zero, zero experience. So that's kind of how I
got into it was just taking some classes. Sue produced
my animation demo. She hired me for a job. I
did voiceovers on on y'all show. But when I moved
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to North Carolina Ashville, there were two do you know
ISDN technology? Okay, so that was the technology when I,
you know, started, So I moved here. There were two
ISDN studios here in town that were competitors. But all
the actors can work for any however many you want.
(36:30):
So we didn't have home studios at the time, so
I would literally drive and then there was another studio
forty five minutes away and another one two and a
half hours away, so it was the same few people
doing all the jobs. So I would just drive from
once through the day. I would have like four or
five sessions a day, and they were but they were
low paying because it was it was we were right
(36:52):
to work state and I was a financial core member
of the union. So I did quantity, not quality, and
then eventually built a home studio because they were needing that.
So I had a whisper room and iced DAN Technology
and all the other voice actors who maybe weren't quite
that serious, they were like, oh I don't I'm not
(37:13):
investing in that, you know. So that kind of that
even narrowed it further and it was just the same
bunch of us doing all the jobs. And it was great.
It was the heyday. And then of course, like everything changes,
and then iced DN went away. It was sources connect
and then everything opened up and anybody with an iPhone
can say, oh, I'm a voice talent now. Yeah, everything changed.
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But my daughter when she was born, when I had
the home studio, they didn't have like kids on the roster,
and they were like, hey, can you throw your kid
in the booth. She was two and a half and
she would do line. I would just feed her a
line and she was fearless. She would just do it.
So she was a voice actor from two years old
all the way through high school. Never cared about it.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, cool, I remember, gave it up to be a doctor.
Come on, come on, Jackie. Do you remember the week
when the Simpsons actors were renegotiating and you went in
for was it least Simpson? Yes?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Remember, yes?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And I never sitting around talking with you and you
were like, I want this job obviously, but we were
having the whole thing like but we also know that
these actors are great and they kind of deserve more money.
And it was like this whole discussion, but you were like, yeah,
but this is a game change if I and we
were like, yeah, you gotta you got a audition for that.
But I remember like that was the first time hearing
about like for me, like because I hadn't done any
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voiceover yet, and like you were, you were like, I'm
up for Lisa Simpson. I'm going in. I remember hearing
you do it. I was like, oh my god, I
want you to.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Get in the job. They never had any intention of
replacing it.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
They brought you to just scare the crap out of them.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
But it was still fun to go in and be like,
I can I can do this. I mean I knew
always I could do this, just I didn't have the face.
I didn't have the I was never going to be
plucked or discovered or I knew I couldn't go the
traditional way. I was going to have to go figure
out how to be an actor a different way. And
(39:15):
I just took me a long time. But it, like
you know, I eventually did it. But I do have
another story this. This was another turning point where I
realized I'm just not I don't look like on camera.
It's just not going to happen for me. So it
was a boy Meets World episode.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
And.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
So they it was an episode where Turner's old girlfriend
shows up Anthony Tyler Quinn's old girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
I remember the New Year's episode was that it No
New Year's.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Episode was three old girlfriends. This is the one where
he went to dinner with the girl Connecticut jacket girl
from Connecticut.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
That I never saw the episode Westport Girl. That's it.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Yeah, they didn't hire any actress. They couldn't cast her.
So for like three days I was playing the girlfriend,
and I remember I knew all lines and for run through,
and you know, I wasn't overacting or anything. I was
just doing the lines. But for run through, I knew,
like the producers, they need to see if things are working.
(40:21):
You can't just like read it flat. I mean, they
needed to know our joke's landing, you know. So I
took it seriously. I'm gonna give him something to see.
And so there was this one moment where they turner
and this girl have some kind of awkward goodbye, you know,
at the door and they're like, oh, Gordon, and he
shuts the door and she turns away and she's kind
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of thinking, just thinking, and he's on the other side
of the door and they're both like thinking. She turned,
you know, kind of takes this moment of like and
she turns, she goes up to the door ready to knock,
and he opens it. It was like a timing thing.
So at the run through, I didn't know how long
he was going to be and just was this moment
(41:02):
that I turned to the door, I put my arm up,
he opened the door, and we kissed, real kissed. Like,
we kissed, and I know, so I've been married to
my husband since nineteen ninety five. Anthony Tyler Quinn is
the only man I ever kissed besides my husband. We don't.
(41:25):
And then afterwards he was married too, you know, we
were like. He was like, oh my god, I'm sorry.
Is that okay? I was like, no, no, I'm sorry.
I mean we just did it. And so like after that,
a bunch of people came up to me and said, wow,
you're really that was great. Why don't they just give
you the part? And I remember thinking, because I'm not
(41:46):
pretty enough, and so I remember knowing that. I was like,
I am not a leading lady. I never will be it.
I can't have this part. So they bring in the
actress and she was fine.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
She was nice.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
I still have no problem with her. She did fine.
So you know how we tape the show before the
audience came in. We'd get everything in the can and
then you know, the audience would come in. You guys
would do it live. So during the day when they
were filming, you know, she was filming that one scene
and Dedie goes, Jackie kim here. I said what And
(42:21):
I thought, oh ohm, I in trouble. She had her
head set on. She goes, I think you need to
hear this. She takes her head set off, she puts
it on me. All the camera guys and all the
people in the room upstairs going jacky, jacky jackey on
her scene, and I just wanted to cry.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
I was like, oh, oh my god, Like I.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Just it was so meaningful to me, Like it's not
that I suck, It's just that I won't be able
to go this route. I'm just gonna have to figure
out another way.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Oh my gosh, ya.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't you know, it's funny. I'm I'm interested that
you, you know, you sort of say like I'm not pretty enough.
First of all, that's just ridiculous in my opinion, but
I also think that that's not I think, you know,
I think there's something. Unfortunately, especially for the producers and
writers of our show, there was all the if you
were a stand in you were there were so many
(43:22):
strikes against you, like you they like they.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Were familiar with you, but yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So they never took you seriously as an actor. And
it was like, you know, you would have been better
in another situation. You know, if you could have like
been auditioning or acting in a but within the context
of our show. Like I think the strikes were against
you just contextually, you know, like and it had nothing
to do with your looks or your acting or any
of that. It's just literally like they're obsessed with like
(43:49):
who the casting director gets or like there's just there
was like this ceiling too to the to being a Sunday.
You're a placeholder.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Yeah, if you come in and you are doing better
than the actor that they cast, they.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Will never see it.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
You will never see it because I don't see that.
They're just standing in until we get the real actor.
And it was exactly they could give.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
You an extra job, right, they give you a background job,
They could give you a one line maybe, but something
like that, like a real like a guest star role.
There was no way that was ever going to happen,
no matter how good you were, you know. And but
I just want to say, it's not about your your
talent obviously, which I think you know, but also wasn't
about your looks. It was it was about the context
of that whole situation.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Like it depends on the producers, it depends on the
writers because again you guys know I bring this up
every single time, and you'd make fun of me for it.
But MASH, there was a an actress on MASH who
started as as a background actor, who was there for
years as a background actor. Then she started to have
a few lines. Then she started have a few lines,
and then season eight or nine there was an episode
all about her. She starred in the episode, right, And
(44:54):
so you will occasionally get shows where you you know,
they will see you for for who you are and
then use that talent. But unfortunately, I don't think our
just want to know.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
I don't know Rare Right, Yeah, I don't think you did.
Some of the some of the writers were like we
would hang out sometimes after taping. We would go to
a bar and I would sit with Howard and Matt
Nelson and what was.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
The bar in the valley? Like the Mexican to this
Mexican restaurant?
Speaker 5 (45:24):
What was that the cantina orsa vega.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
No idea. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
I just remember There's like one time near the end
of the show where I finally got to see like
where the writers went. I was like, Oh, it's like
this dark, cool Mexican restaurant in the Valley.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah, I would go and I'd be an equal like
it's weird, Like I'd be like, we be friends and
hang out, and then I'd come to this set and
it's like, Okay, yeah, I know my place.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I would like to say one other thing now, as
a as a director who's been on the other side
of those conversations, I've been in the rooms with the
EPs when they're talking about whether or not to give
a role to a stand in. Really a lot a
lot of time, what comes up is they don't want
there to be animosity and competition between the with the
(46:06):
other stand ins, and if we give this role to
Jackie this week, we are then going to feel like
we have to make it equal for the other stand ins,
and we don't want to be beholden to that. We
don't want to have to in our minds be thinking about, well,
we gave a role to Jackie. And so sometimes you
lose out on the role simply because they don't want
to set a precedent, I guess. So there's a lot
(46:29):
of things.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
That its awful Catch twenty two of, Like, the only
reason you take a stand in job is because you
want to be an actor, right for the most part.
I mean maybe there's exceptions, but it seems to me
like your only interest in it is to be within
the industry to get the experience. But then because you're
categorized as a stand in the same like you said
Jackie about being an extra, it's like you're a second
class actor and so within that context, they might never
(46:52):
be able to see you in this other light. So
in a weird way, it's like, while you're getting this experience,
while you're making connections, you're making connections sort of classified
as this other thing, you know, and that's like it's
a really tough you know. So yeah, I mean it
makes perfect sense that you were able to achieve voiceover
success because within that context, you know, you're just just
(47:13):
your pure talent, it's just your voice.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
But I had to leave LA to become become an actor, yeah, actor.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
You know, I think that's always the case, right, It's
like you just have to you have to be super
confident and like comfortable with your own life and your
own self and that and that shines through in everything
that you do. And I think like for you, clearly
you you when you when the second you made that
move of like well this is what I care about.
This is then I think that that plays out in
every other aspect of your life where that confidence probably
(47:41):
you know, helped you all around.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Just had to get creative. I had to do everything
just a little bit differently than the standard way.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
But that's okay.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
You you said that you don't think Michael even knew
your name, which brings me to something that for Unfortunately
for writer Danielle and I, we saw an episode not
too long ago that took place in part of it
took place in the Wilderness Store, and one of the
actors in the Wilderness Store was one of our stand ins.
Featured background was one of our stand ins, and we
couldn't remember his name.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Wait a minute. It was a guy named Mark Mark Mark,
and Mark had like some kind of strange to pay
Maybe Mark.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
I remember he had glasses. It was exactly yes, okay,
so it was Mark Mark.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
So he was there for a very short time.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
I think, yeah, And I don't know who I mean,
I didn't come in at the beginning. Who was there
before me? Who was the female.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
People?
Speaker 1 (48:48):
We had little people for the first season because because
we were we were smaller, we were all kids. So
the first season. It was it was three. It was
Kevin and Tracy, Tracy and and uh.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
Oh my god, Kevin, Tracy and John. No, I can
picture them all. Two of them were married. Tracy was
married right.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
To the guy who we can't remember. Yeah, oh my god,
what was his name?
Speaker 5 (49:17):
N I thought it was John, but I could be wrong. Yeah,
So it was we had little people the first was it.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Only the first season that we had little people, and
maybe a little bit of the second, but you know,
then Ben and I got tall, and so it was
really only Morgan was the only.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Let's explain that a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So when you have a kid's show, at least back
in the nineties, it was very common practice that your
stand ins would they would try to find stand ins
that were as close to your height as possible. Because
although lighting on a multi camera set is not quite
as important as Jackie mentioned, on a film set where
they're really lightingt framing is important. The cameras need to
know if someone is if a child is sitting, and
(49:56):
then they stand up. Camera needs to know what the
focus needs to be when they stand up. Lighting needs
to know where do I need to light Where's And
so our first season the majority of our stand ins
were little people, and because.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Then adults, because then they can work longer hours because
of kids. Then you have to provide school, you have to,
you know, so you need grown ups who are under
you know, the five foot or whatever. We were four
and a half feet. So yeah, so you end up
with like a little people, which we had.
Speaker 9 (50:27):
Yeah, and now I have to pang a hair almost,
I know exactly did you ever think when you were
working on Boy Meets World that we would still be
talking about it thirty years later?
Speaker 4 (50:41):
No, first of all thirty years that just was I know, incomprehensible.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
No, I mean I followed it when I left, and
I followed Girl Meets World, and I you know, knew
loosely what you guys were doing, but I know, I
knew it was a major, major show. I had a
major impact on a lot. You guys have super fans.
It was a big deal for a lot of people.
(51:12):
So am I surprised? No? Not really. I mean it
warms my heart to see you guys together, still friends,
still like not poopooing this experience, but like really looking
at it from a different perspective, more mature, you know.
(51:34):
But being super honest and transparent, but also really treating
it with respect and like being so good to your fans.
I mean, gosh, I love that. I love that, Jackie.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I have this memory that it's kind of weird, and
you probably don't remember it, but I wanted to bring
it up because I think it shows like my mindset
at the time, which is like just doesn't make sense
to me now. But when you were leaving, like I remember,
we were all very sad, and it was like in
the middle of the season, and it was like, oh
my gosh, well that's good for you that you're, you know,
(52:08):
making this move, and you seemed really happy. And then
I remember you asked me to sign like a script
or a photograph or whatever, and I got really upset
and like yeah, and I was like I'm not And
I remember being like it was like a big deal
of saying but Jackie's my friend, Like I'm not going
to sign. And I did eventually do it, but it
(52:28):
just goes to show that, like, you know, and of
course now I'm like, I'm glad I signed it, and
I'm glad because we haven't stayed in touch. But when
you were nineteen eighteen years old and you're on a
TV show and we work together. I was like, well,
Jackie's always going to be in my life, We're always
going to be friends. Why should I have to sign
something for her? And like what a jackass? Like what
a like classic? You know, like why you know it's
(52:49):
like or on the flip side, like why didn't we
keep in touch? Like you know, shut up?
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Writer, like but it was so social media though at
the time totally it was just like that.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
It just show's the bubble that we were in, do
you know what I mean? Like the bubble that I
was in, certainly like where I was and I had
this real like moments.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
Got the original mug too. Look at that, oh.
Speaker 4 (53:10):
Truly, and you know it's weird. Writer. I have pictures
because we didn't have cell phone you know, camera phones
at the time. I'm so sad. I have a picture
of me and Danielle hugging me, and Will hugging me
and Ben hugging and I don't have a picture with you,
and I'm so sad of me and Bill.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
I have like the next time writers in Ashville, you
should stop by. And I also want to talk to
you before we say goodbye to you. I want to
talk to you about your other art. You were such
an artist, a voiceover artist, and actor, all these things,
but I want to talk to you about your your
physical media art.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Tell me about the well.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
I was always creative, but I just wanted to be
an actor, so that was all the focus. But when
I had a home studio and I didn't drive to
all the studios all the time, I would have all
this downtime at home. So in my basement where my
booth was, I had another room that I kind of
turned into a craft room an art studio, and I
(54:09):
just loved making things where I didn't have to wait
for permission to practice my craft. You know, as a
voiceover actor, you gotta wait. I mean, you can walk
around doing voices all day, but you have to be cast.
You have to you know, you gotta wait to practice
your craft. And I was like, oh, I can paint,
you know, whatever I want, anytime I want, and I
can be the total boss of this. So I started
(54:30):
doing that, and then I got into my first gallery
the same way I did everything else. Totally my way
through that, and I had no experience. I basically went
to a really prestigious gallery here in the River Arts District.
This is my gallery, by the way, And I went
(54:54):
up to the gallery owner and I said, I would
love for you to carry my work. And I can't
afford rent to pay rent to have a working studio
in the district, So if you would give me a
corner of your gallery that I could paint in, and
if you will represent me, I will work for free
three days a week volunteer at your gallery so you
(55:16):
can take off and I will help your customers, and
again so I can learn everything about the gallery and
being a good artist. And he was like done. So
I did that. I got my first representation. And this
gallery is right upstairs from that gallery, and I would
come visit here, and this had many artists in it,
(55:36):
and I remember thinking, if I ever had my own gallery,
I really like that. And then an opening came up
and the girl that had this space, there's like a leaseholder,
and then there were sub letters. She invited me to
be a part of this gallery, which I did, and
I still said one day. She was here for ten years,
and the days she decided to do something else, she said,
(55:59):
would you like to over the gallery?
Speaker 5 (56:01):
I'm like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
I eventually always got what I wanted, always through a
creative way. That's been pretty much my life. So now
I do this more full time and I still do voiceovers,
but not as much. I have a few regular clients.
I still have my home studio. I still do it,
but I just don't the mark is just different. It's
(56:26):
just a different situation now.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
So well, finely, when we asked you to check out
the Shallow Boy episode where you totally steal the scene
with the greatest disease, what are your feelings when you
see yourself twenty five years ago or so on screen,
and what would you tell that version of Jackie.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
Oh, that's very emotional, to be honest, of course, the
first thing I did when I saw myself was ooh,
I was not not pretty. I just looked at myself
and just said, oh. But I thought it was funny.
(57:12):
I thought it was a funny moment. I loved the scene.
I loved watching the episode. It was a little hard
to watch myself, and I think maybe that's maybe that
is where things just kind of worked out for the best.
Where I just never did on camera. I did voiceover
work where that was not a factor. I can be
a grandmother, I can be a little kid. I can
(57:34):
do you know, I wouldn't have that, But it was
that was hard to watch myself, to be honest, it
was it was difficult and I never yeah yeah, But
then I watched it again and I kind of got
over it and got it.
Speaker 7 (57:48):
Got it, Get over yourself.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Jack What would you like to tell that version of Jackie?
What would you like to tell your young self?
Speaker 4 (57:56):
I would just say, keep going, girl. You will get
every single thing you want. It's just going to take
a while. And just take notes. Be nice, be kind,
be respectful, just don't don't get discouraged. You'll get there.
It'll just be a little different. It'll just look a
little different, but you'll get there.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
Well.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
I am perfectly comfortable speaking for all of us on
this zoom when I say to you, without trying to
be creepy, we have never once thought of you as
anything other than extremely talented and absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yes, you have never. It is never.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
None of the thoughts that you have had about yourself
in that way have ever ever crossed our minds.
Speaker 4 (58:41):
Nope, thank you.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
You You are special and you are unique, and you
are funny, and all of our memories with you are
positive and in all of our memories you are beautiful
the same way you are now.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
Thank you so much, you guys. I'm just so happy
all of you. Just your lives have turned out so well.
Your parents, you're married, you're successful, you're behind the scenes,
you haven't You've all flourished. You know, as we know
child actors, there's many ways that can turn out. And you, guys,
I always was hoping for the best for you, and
(59:16):
you guys did it. I'm just so happy.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well, thank you happy, and thank you for all that
you contributed to our ears on Boy Meets World. Please
let people know where they can find you, where they
can find your art, give us all your where where
can we find you?
Speaker 5 (59:30):
So?
Speaker 4 (59:31):
I am on Instagram at Jackie fell f e h L.
I am in Asheville and the River Arts District. I
have this gallery. I also have a home studio, not
on Facebook much but kind of there. And yeah, I
think I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, And so for for Instagram, it is also j
A c q u I and then as she spelled
fell f e h L. You can find her there
and see all of her incredible art.
Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
And Jackie voiceover chick.
Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Is you can hear my weird little demos on voiceover
chick dot com. It hasn't been updated. It still says
I s dan technology. But if you want to hear
my demos, that's where they are.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
So incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Jackie, thank you so much for spending your time with
us this morning. It's been such a pleasure to see
you again and reconnect with you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
You too, You guys, let's hang out.
Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
Are we doing?
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
And we're doing. We're in North Carolina, but we're where
are we going? We're going to Durham, Durham. That's pretty
far right.
Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
My daughter's in like an hour from Chapel Hill, not
far from you guys. She's at school at Campbell University.
But I know I was thinking should I drive out
there and crash?
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
But yes, think if you're able to, please do.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
We would love to see you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Thanks you guys, So proud of you all and appreciate
you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Thank you by Jackie. Yeah, that's actually a great idea.
Jensen just said she can come up. She can be
a part of our live show and docre.
Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Where she comes throws everything in the back of the
be amazing. Yeah, love it be fun.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
God is so good to see her.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I know, I know, she looks exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Her hair color has changed, she wasn't gray back then,
but that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
And I'm so glad you said somedingy, Danielle, because once
again it would be creepy for me to talk about
how beautiful she was. Always so gorgeous. Gorgeous, that's like
one of the defining things about Jacket. So the fact
that she brought it up multiple times, like I wasn't
pretty enough, is like, wow, that's just you know, we
all have these things about ourselves, you know, and especially
I think for actors it's always you know, how you
(01:01:36):
look is just the thing that you're concerned about because
so much of the industry, especially back then. I'm hoping
it's less so, but you know, it is superficial. It's
part of the job is to be and so you
have to be concerned with presentation, and unfortunately that becomes
so much self judgment and self doubt and man, it's
such a bumber to hear at somebody so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Ever ever, she looks like like in my casting head,
she looks like a superhero. Yeah, hold on, looks like
a superhero to me, Like I'd love to cast her
in something where she plays a badass because she looks
like a superhero. Yes, she's such a cool.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
So awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode
of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us
on Instagram pod meets World Show. You can send us
your emails podmeets Worldshow at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
And we have merch merch.
Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
For the love of God, somebody bring me the merch.
Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Oh will send us out.
Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
We love you all, pod dismissed.
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Podmeets World is nheart podcast producer and hosted by Danielle Fischel,
Wilfredell and Ryder Strong executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman,
Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,
Tara Sudbaksh producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World
super fan Easton Allen.
Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon and
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or email us at Podmeets Worldshow at gmail dot com.
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