TGI – Episode 415 “Chick Like Me” - Pod Meets World

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Recently, we posted on Instagram an article from an old
teen magazine story about writer, and it says writer one
hundred percent original, and then.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Journal, I learned so much about you I did.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Not know right now there's a beautiful picture of Writer's face,
and then above it it says centerfold on page forty six.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Okay, but here's the article. When it comes to summing
up writer strong.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
He fits into the the See that's the thing. He
doesn't fit into any category. Oh yeah, ask Writer the
quality he likes best about himself, and he'll answer not
fitting into a stare type is probably what I'm happiest about.
Knowing himself well. Could also be one of Writer's appealing qualities,
because it's true. Writer definitely doesn't fit into any particular

(01:09):
type or warrant a neat little label. He's no cookie
cutter guy who tries to look like everyone else and
say the same things everyone else does. Writer is truly
an individual, which is probably one of the qualities you
like best about him too. For starters, writer has a
unique name. How many writers do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
That you did that? You chose that, You chose it
your own category. Man, you chose your name. God so far.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
All we had is one quote where they asked me,
what do you like about yourself? Right, and I said,
I don't know. I don't fit into a category. That's
what they ran with this whole article.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yep, and not so ordinary looks. He has that kind
of boy nex door but with an edge thing going on.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
But his way of viewing the world.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is what really makes him stand out from the masses.
Take writer's taste in music. Like a lot of fourteen
year old guys, writer loves rap, whoa do at all?

Speaker 4 (02:04):
He does it all now literally never in my life
have I loved rap Like I went to one phase
at like twelve where I tried because everybody was getting
into it and like just like no, not for me.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
So funny okay.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
But but at the same time, he's also really into classical.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
So for instance, when we actually tell us never like.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Really not into it, No, no, you will you mind it.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
We went through a phase on boy too, worked.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Into instrumental music in different periods, but yeah, not like oh,
you know, a big chopin guy never chopping.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So for instance, when we asked him to tell us
his favorite song, he picked no not the Latest by
Snoop Doggie Dog No, but a little baroque number called
Cannon in D which yeah you.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Love you did.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, there was a CD called Canon and D Variation
and it was just did you give it?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I gave it to you. It was that song like
nine different ways. It was so cool that. Yeah, so
it was because of you.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
I knew.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I thought it was because of you.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I had this CD and it had just like, yeah,
like a bunch of versions and they were cool because
like some of them were like modern synthy, some of
them were like really classical, and you could I think
I just loved the idea of different versions of something.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I always loved. This one was on like a harpsichord. Yeah,
it was cool.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
It was a good mind that. But I definitely had
my favorite version. It was tracked two.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Was that the classical one like that? It was almost
like the Ferrest Bueler.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
No, there was one.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
It was like I think it had like a really
it had like a more it was it had like
an electronic music background, like there was a like I
don't know, I'm gonna find this. It was my favorite
track was either two or three on that CD. That's right, Well,
it was a great song. If it ain't broke, don't
fix it.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Thank you, Thank you very much, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
One thing writer doesn't like is listening to music just
because everybody else says it's which is one reason you
won't find Counting Crows on his CD.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
They picked.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I know, it's so weird, like they must have just
not talked to me and just decided to pick whoever
was the top of the charts at that week or whatever.
But they literally and then like that, I like wrap
and then it's yeah, it's it's you. You wonder if
this was put do you remember doing any of this
interview or was it just.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
There's not an interview here.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
They pulled a quote like that's what I mean. So,
but they didn't call you for this to say.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Like, like I said, I used to do interviews with
these these magazines.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
The first two seasons a boy, I.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Did a bunch of these interviews, and they would sit
with me, or they would stop me at events with
a tape recorder and ask me like five questions really quick,
and I just answer them.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Or we do photo.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Shoots and then they'd be like, hey, could you go
talk to so and so in the corner And I
wouldn't realize even that it was like an interview, but
they'd be recording it and then like they'd write ten
articles out of one interview.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, this isn't even I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Like the it's so weird to think about, what is
the point of these these articles? Are these magazines? Right,
It's like, who are they? It's like the it's catering
to teenage girls.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, this is social media. This is ninety social media.
That's all. This is get to know you.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's the stuff that other people now put up themselves,
like their favorite playlist and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
But we weren't doing that back in the day.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
So this is just i'd like your Twitter page the
end of it, which says his willingness to make like
a full on goofball in public men quote, I'm constantly
pretending to bang into doors and making people think I
hurt myself my friends.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
I still haven't desire to do that every time I
open a door in front of somebody. Like, right, there's
a part of me that we're so used to doing.
The face slam trips. Yeah, yeah, you did it really
well though, you were really good.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Once in a while.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
All this individuality makes writer one strafty bright guy strafty
bright being writer's own what else but unique word meaning
cool the end?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
It's similar to social media. Yeah, so interesting. I had
no idea what I was getting into when I talked
to those those no you know, like Ben just never
did any of them, right, like he never did a
single one and so never he.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Didn't did he was he? Ever?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Was? His parents said no, and I guess they had
gone through it with Fred maybe to a certain degree,
or just decided that it wasn't classy enough like that
there was.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I didn't even realize that you're right, he never did these.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Didn't know whereas like the three of us were like
who wants to interview us? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Sure, who cares? Because we just were like this is
fun and this is cool. This is what being an actor.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Is until I was like fifteen or sixteen, and then
I was like, I don't know if this is.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I don't want to do these.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Well, you you also went to the next level though,
you that you were one of the one of the
Tiger Beat kids that literally like a Jonathan Taylor Thomas
where you then.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Go to another level. But sure, but still.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
I mean, you were probably one of the top two
or three for couple of years, I would imagine, so
that's was a whole different thing.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
But it wasn't it. You know, there's so not a
good thing. Like it was not good for your acting,
you know.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
If anything, it diminished your standing within the industry as
an actual actor because it was like, oh, you are
ten essentially to a male like equivalent to a male model.
Like it's like, oh, you you're appealing to this side
of your career as opposed to you know, any sort
of artistic or expressive Uh. You know.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, it's interesting, a little bit of a mummer.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's interesting. Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel,
I'm Roger Strong, and I'm will Fredell.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Today we are recapping season four, episode fifteen, Chick Like Me.
I believe We've made it here. It originally air January
thirty first, nineteen ninety seven. The synopsis in order to
get a better understanding of how girls think, Corey Intopanga
disguise Sean as a girl and set him up on
a date. Also, Eric teaches a coworker how to attract

(08:09):
a man. It was directed by Jeff McCracken. It was
written by Steven Hibbert, and did you guys have any
overall thoughts before I jump into our guest star cast.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, I mean I've always known that this was a
pretty legendary episode. You know, it's infamous for obviously the
big set piece, but I always remembered it as a
very well written episode, and sure enough it still struck
me as perfectly structured, incredibly well written, funny.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I loved it. I loved it. I think this is
top five Boy Meets World episode for me.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I said the same thing last night.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I think this is in my top five favorite Boy
Meets World episodes. I think it's it has all the
you know, exactly what we've talked about, with the right balance,
the right balance between really funny, laugh out loud moments
and yet a very poignant, relevant, great great topic.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
I thought the A story was amazing. The B story
was completely unnecessary. I wish it wasn't in the episode
and it was all just the three of you together
with your storyline, because it just it was wedged in.
It was completely not needed in any way, shape or form,
because it was.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Those butchers like the theme, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, it was weird. It was weird.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
I just wish they just stuck with you guys, because
it was so good watching that that way.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
And then it ended.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
It seemed like it ended very abruptly, like the show
just kind of no your storyline just the show just
kind of ended. And so if they didn't do the
B story it, I think they could have flushed out
your storyline more because I loved it and I wanted
to see more.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I just wanted to see more of that. Frankly, it
went out like I mean, I punch a guy.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
No, I know, but then it's like you just kind
of turn and walk towards the camera and in freeze
f and it was like, oh that's oh, that's it.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Like I thought there was going to be some kind
of wrap around, some kind of something.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
I end up with the girl like I know, but
it was, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
I felt like it just that scene as specifically just
kind of ended for me.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I thought you actually met your B storyline ended abruptly,
has never started.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Story It was really like, you know, it's just kind
of a conversation between two characters.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, I don't know. It didn't bother me. I mean
it didn't bother me. I just didn't think it was necessary.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
I would love to have just seen the whole This
could have been one of the weeks where I wasn't
in the show and it was just your storyline, because
I thought your storyline was great.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
No, thoroughly enjoyed the episode all the way around. I
just I wish there was more of it. Frankly, really
well written and really well acted. You guys were all
even even the crazy like Ben being the crazies, any
Korra and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's just it's so funny.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
It's so funny that it is just and you just
you have to suspend belief with the kind of nobody
recognizes you guys.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Really but I had no problem doing that.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
I had It was just fun all the way around,
and it's an important lesson.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I mean it really is. Yeah, really well done.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
So guest starring Ryan Biddle as Gary. He's a Juilliard
grad who played Todd Wilkins on over forty episodes of
Sweet Valley High and was seen on Seventh Heaven.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, he is so good in this episode, and like,
I think so much of this episode works because of him.
You know, he's like the perfect he just he's the
perfect slime ball. Yes it is, and like, you know,
to his credit, like, I mean, these are it's have
to like just commit to you know, basically being on
a date with a guy, like it was.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
It's fun. Yeah he does, and he's yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
You're by it.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah yeah, And I remember, like it totally worked, enjoying
working with him and like having it and watching it.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Back, I was like, oh my god, that's so cool,
Like yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
He was straight, straight up cut from like the eighties
bad guys, you know, Johnny from the Karate Kid kind
of kind of look.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
It was great. It was great.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
And then we have Katie Wright as Debbie. You may
know her from The Wonder Years, Malibu Shores, Mel's Place,
or the movie Idle Hands. She is married to actor
Hank Azaria and is now a family therapist.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. And then we
have Jennifer Campbell who returns as Lonnie and this is
unfortunately her last episode three of a three episode arc.
A common moment of departure, it seems for some of
our guest stars.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Wonder if that's actually contractual, Like you do three episode arc,
but then why end the storyline the way we did
where it's like, man, I don't, Oh, what did I
just do? Like we're setting it up to where now
she's gonna friend zone me, I mean something, and then
never comes back.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
We are barely in this Wilderness store. By the way.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
We built this in my head we were in the
Wilderness Store all the time.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
We built this in a wilderness store a lot, but
not as much as I remember.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I remember this being in like every episode. Well it has.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Been in episodes, it's just their shorter scenes. Yeah, maybe
that's what the Wilderness Store that much. So you in
your time there, right.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Only in the Wilderness Store. So you was in the
Wilderness Store.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
That's why I must feel like it's such a big
part of it. Yeah, that's gonna be that, right.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You know, it's like yours. Yeah, that's I think. So
this is her last episode, huh Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
And then we've got Mark Arnold is Dave.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
He's got almost one hundred and fifty credits to his name,
including Teen Wolf.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
We talked to him all week about Teen Wolf.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
We were just peppering him with questions all week about
Team Wolf. We used to quote that movie constantly on
the set. So when he walked on, we saw him
at the table read you and I stopped.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
We were like, it's a bad guy from teen Wolf.
The bad guy from Tea Wolf. It was so much
fun talking to him about everything.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, he also like Gary in this episode, yes, perfect,
Like yeah, dude, like Alfad. Oh yeah, he looks like
he's forty years old. The bad guy in the basketball
team and Team Wolf. It's so great.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
It was also in Justice League, Blade Runner twenty forty
nine and fifty two episodes of a nineteen eighty five
show called Santa Barbara. Also, I have been reminded that
when Hillary Tuck was on the show, she said she
was only allowed to do three episodes because after that
it would be considered a recurring guest.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Ever, right, she said that didn't shit, and so they
just cut it off.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
They were just like, you can't do it.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, unless they unless the network or the whole team
was willing to commit to a bigger page.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
It also makes me wonder how much they were trying
to get around that by having people come back as
different characters. If they were like, look, if we name
them something different, we can say they'd only done one episode,
but no.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Because that would have because Hillary was different characters.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
I know that's what I'm saying, But I wonder if
they were thinking.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Of, let's name her something different.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Maybe we can get around it by naming them different things,
because it is. It does seem weird that, like if
you have the same person play three different characters, it
still counts as a recurring guest role even though those
characters have still only done one episode.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (15:08):
And you also, I guess if you I guess my
question then, especially with Lannie, is you know this is
her last episode?

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Why not wrap it up where she leaves. Why isn't
the b the storyline I'm leaving Eric, I'm in a
powerful need to go home or something.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
They would have.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Known that it's her last episode. I think maybe, you know,
they could have been hoping to convince the network to
give them more money for maybe or some you know,
there's always this tension between the production budget and the
realities of the creative whims of the writing staff, and
the writing staff might have been like, we love Lonnie,
we want to bring her back, and then they're looking
at the budget and saying well, then you can't have

(15:41):
this said, or you can't have this trip to Disney World,
or you know, whatever the considerations are. It's a constant conversation.
And but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers
were hoping to leave.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
It open a little bit. Yeah, you're probably right.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
So jumping into our recap, we start on our credits,
and then we are in the school hallway. Corey proudly
opens the school newspaper to show Sean his very own column. Also,
I noticed here that the back reads Patriot Sports, which
means we are most like the Patriots, the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yes, did you guys notice our eyebrows?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I did.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's what it is. I say, I.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Wrote down something strange with your faces, but I don't
know what it was. They decided because you know, during
the week, we did makeup tests to become the you know,
the women like the girl characters, and they.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Trip, they pluck both of our eyebrows. That's what it was.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
And so it's so funny to watch when we start
the episode, we have like manicured eyebrows, especially for me,
like I have, you know, gigantic eyebrows, and like even
back then, I had bushy eyebrows and so yeah, so
they're like super thin and like and I was like,
something's oh, that's.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
What I said. I didn't know what it was. I
was like, what's different? You see it in the classroom
when I'm like leaning forward to Chorea, I'm like, what
is going on? Eyebrows?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Notice?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I totally did is different?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, we also should have noticed all of the all
of the trash cans say patriots.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Don't ask me how we.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Missed this all this time, but just because we're staring
at the blood drive sign all the time, that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
So Sean reads the headline is it just me? Corey
nudges him to read on is it just me? Or
does paste not taste as good as it used to?
Corey laughs? Isn't that so true? Sean breaks the news.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
The idea that this is what Corey is writing, Like,
I just.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I also love that we have made so many Seinfeld
references on the show that now they've just taken the like,
what does Seinfeld do? He notices every man things. What's
the deal with? Yeah, what's the deal with? And so
this is Corey's I just it's so funny, isn't it true.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Is it just me? It's just so funny to me.
So Sean breaks the news.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I know you really believe in your little humor column,
but don't you think you should be writing something more
important like the girls swim team and why they don't
wear high heels, which I thought was a funny Sean
thing to say. And then to Panga walks down the
hall with her good bestest friend Debbie.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
We know so much about lots of.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Debbie is also there.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Too, so she comments, Gary took you to Leon.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
It's really expensive the restaurant. They might as well just
call it the French restaurant exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Debbie laughs, Yeah, I know it was great.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
The date was going great, but at the end of
the night he parked two blocks from her house, and
to Panga angrily folds her arms Octopus time on cue.
Gary walks past the girls and turns to Debbie. He
says he had a really nice night the other night
and adds a little laugh before walking away. Debbie finishes
her story all over me, what happened to the nice
guy I had dinner with? All guys are jerks on dates?

(19:12):
Tapanga corrects her, not all guys. Debbie Corey, who's listening nearby,
puts his hand to his chest. He knows she's talking
about him. Sean bursts his bubble. Is it just me
or should you not be proud of that?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Got some learning to do?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, Corey wipes the smile off his face and tries
to act cool. Debbie, who I just noticed in this moment,
has a very cool jungle themed trapper keeper. Her folder
is a nice, awesome time capsule from the nineties, just
absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
She's continuing to talk to Tapanga after a night of
fighting them off. I don't know if I want to.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Go on dates anymore, she jokes, She'd rather spend her
nights at the library. It's that pathetic to Panga agrees,
guys and girls have such a different idea of what
a date is supposed to be. Debbie, he wonders what
goes on in guy's heads and to peg emotions towards
Corey and Sean want to find out there's two of them.
So Debbie asks Corey and Sean what goes on in
their heads? And Corey immediately answers to Penga twenty four

(20:11):
hours a day, it's the Tapega channel in here.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
To Pega hands him a treat.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
What a good boy. Corey giggles at the reward. Sean asks,
don't you think that guys and girls are looking for
the same things on dates? Debbie tells them what girls
are looking for a good conversation and a good sense
of connection. Sean wonders, you're not interested in making out,
and Debbie responds, maybe I am, and maybe I'm not,
but it shouldn't be expected. Sean argues, then, how are

(20:38):
we supposed to know? What's okay? Debbie ensures him they'll
let the boy know, but usually boys don't listen. They're
too busy planning their next move to hear their dates.
Say no, Sean, who of course wasn't listening, asks.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Jan what this is great dialogue?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
So great?

Speaker 5 (20:53):
This is really good because it is also genuinely the
boy asking the girl how am I supposed to know?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
And don't you want the same things? And it's like, well,
it shouldn't be expected. It's just really really smart dialogue
all the way around.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's really smart because I love that they didn't make
it seem like, of course girls aren't interested in making out.
It's like exactly, actually, yeah, I might totally want to
make out with you.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
But you know, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Love the exposition getting to like the debate between Shawn
and Debbie. But once Shawn and Debbie get into it,
I like it. Like that's what I was like, Oh,
because but all this the preamble of like setting it up,
it just felt like expositional setup. But once we get
into this argument, I was like, this is cool.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, this conversation is great.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
This is a real conversation. And and yes, she has
given so much good like argument. You know, yes, she's
provided with it's so great. She's not a foil. She's
actually like a has a point of view and is nuanced,
and it's a good argument. Like it's a good yet
that people can still have.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
It's different than a lot of the way that the
girls are written on the show. She came in with
her own point of view, like you knew this girl away.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Totally.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I really liked that conversation.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Corey points out, this is why I write my funny column,
to take us away from the drudgery of interesting conversation.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
I'm sorry, but the only thing I was thinking about
during during the beginning of part of the scene was
how And I get why they couldn't do it for
Girl Meets World, But you think, how interesting, what what? No,
how interesting Corey would have been had he been a journalist, And.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I forgot how much they set that up.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Yes, and I know they had to do it because
they needed the new mister Feenie, and they did it
for Girl Meets World.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
But Corey as a journalist, I think could have been
a really interesting way to go.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
To peg A counters that he should be writing about
something that affects people. Debbie agrees Corey should write a
column about why guys are such big jerks on dates.
Sean asks, if this is how she feels about guys,
why even go on dates at all? She contemplates for
a second, then agrees, you're right. I'm done to Panga
watches her walk away Way to be sensitive Sean. Sean
rolls his eyes, really pays to be honest with a girl,

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and slams the newspaper into Corey's chest as everyone storms away. Corey,
now alone in the hall, says aloud, is it just me?
Or is it just me? And then we are in
Phoenie's classroom. Poenie is lecturing about the book Black Like Me,
written by John Howard Griffin.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
A like man, you have a black background actor. But
one of the first times in the classroom.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I noticed that too.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
There are two this scene. But it's just like, what okay, yes,
thank you, thank you producers of Boy Mets World, because
you know, somebody looked out and was like.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
They're talking about black like me. We should probably not
have an all lily white.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah, Philadelphia in philip at a public school in Philadelphia,
all white people, not an African American in the place.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Until then we talk about black like me. I will say.
It's always nice with the book reference.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
There's something very comforting about Feenie teaching a book that's
going to have something to do with the show.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Just very classic boy. I love it every time.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
So the white man, John Howard Griffin had his skin
temporarily darkened so he could experience life through the perspective
of a black man. Corey wonders while seated next to
those two black background actors who have no lines, wouldn't
it have been easier to just ask.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And one of the guys in the background like shakes says.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Up, guy, I know, it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Phoene explains there was so much distrust between the races,
Griffin felt that he could only understand segregation if he
experienced it himself. Sean, then hit with an idea, says,
this should be Corey's next story. To understand girls, Corey
needs to experience the world from a girl's point of
view by becoming one. Corey scoffs that's crazy talk, but
Seawan insists, no, you dress up like a girl and

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write about it.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Chick like me.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Sean says, it would be a meaningful article, not just
some silly column. Corey argues, it's not a silly column. Peoene,
who apparently has been listening the whole time, chimes in, yes,
it is, which I love. Corey asks Feeney what happened
to Griffin after he wrote his book? And Phoene responds,
he sold five million copies in one immediate world renown.
Why do you ask, mister Matthews? Corey corrects him Miss Matthews.

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Sean and Corey grinn mischievously the plan has begun.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
And then and then doesn't Phoene say like what he like?
I'm like?

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Didn't he hear the whole conversation? If he if he's
able to jump in, he would have heard the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
He's over a foot away.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, we know how sound word.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, the sound works on the show.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
If you're over a foot away is fifty to fifty
story exactly, bingo.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Face sing. You can hear every right, then that person
is overhearing. Or if they're behind there, behind me, aren't
they that's the other face.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
That's another time when that works.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yes, that works then too.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Then we're at the Wilderness store.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Eric is price tagging items behind the counter while Lonnie's
rattling off some selling points for an available tent. But
the male customer just stares back at her and says,
in the tone of a local people tom, I'll remember
who sold it to me. Lonnie loves to hear that.
I hope you do. That way you can remember me
for all your future wilderness needs.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
And I'm making really bizarre faces in the background. I'm
doing some some serious facting bizarre faces. Yes, that's me bizarre,
like wow, bizarre, but yeah, there's some serious facting going on.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Wow, I didn't notice.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's here's a well it's bizarre and wow, we both
get him in.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
But yes, it's really just trying to put it all
out there on the face when I have no lines.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Oh, speaking of I forgot to mention, did you guys
notice the cake face in the previous scene? Yes, the
kid he does cake he does cake face, and it
would have been written into the script.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I forget what the exchange is, but he's in the
classroom and gets at the end.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
It's how he ends the scene where it's like miss right,
and then I think Phoene says something back to him,
like questioning him, and then.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
He does this, he does cake face, and it would
have been in the script at the point where, Yeah,
I've got to find the drafts. So you were making
some weird faces. That's it.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
It's just to go back and watch really strange faces
in the background that kind of had to do with
what they were.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
But truth be told, what you have to do something
you know they're cutting to you for reaction shots.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
I'm just kidding, Like, m it's a lot, a lot
of acting. A lot of this is a bummer, Like
I think that this storyline could have been done, like
the idea that she is not great with men, and
in particular city men, or like more sophisticated Philadelphia men

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without Southern accents, Like that's like, that's actually a cool storyline,
but it's so it's so absurd. I feel I feel
sorry for this actress because it's so ridiculous that she
like what like literally can't know and it's they have
to push it so far.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's I'm like, why why not?

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Why not find the nuanced version, especially in a script
that does have such.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Nuance in the argumentation.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, in the other side, you know, in the a storyline,
it's wonderful and everybody's given good arguments besides Gary maybe,
but like everybody has a cool point of view, and
I think that, yeah, this one just it didn't didn't work,
and it's I just don't know why it had to
be such a joke. It could have been great, Like
what if Eric and her like really like what dating
advice really was some something that Eric could give and that,

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you know, rather than it just being what ends up
being a physical joke, like she touches him and he
gets turned on.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I mean, he's very easily would have given her such
good advice. She immediately has a boyfriend and he's like
and then he's like, I do that exactly, Like I
could have had her all to myself, if I had
just let her keep me, you know, like so yeah, anyway.
The guy then nervously asks, you probably get this a lot,
but would you want to get a cup of coffee sometime.
Lonnie admits she's not much of a coffee drinker, and

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the man takes the hint, but Lonnie perks up, we
could do something else. He then quickly responds, slightly desperate.
Anything that would be great, Lonnie says, Why don't you
come over to my place and I'll cook you a
big old dinner. How about tonight we could wrestle. That
would be wow. Lonnie smiles and hits him in the shoulder.
I'llow what she did to Eric, and after dinner that's

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when the real fun starts. He's a bit taken aback,
but still says I'm always up for a little fun.
Lonnie tells him the plan. We'll rub oil all over
our bodies.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
He nods, I like that.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
She continues, go jumping in the cold river and go
eel grabbing. He's caught off guard, but Lonnie's excited. It's
so fun for the eels too, well, unless their heads
break off and there's a river you've.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Never heard very.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
Grabbing river spot eel grabbing Allo, it's down by the crek'
oh it is Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Nobody knows out doors lack Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
She punches him in the arm again. Now it stings.
She asks what time tonight and he backs away. Tonight's
really not good for me. I've got another appointment, which
actually doesn't involve eels.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
She jokes, where's your sense of adventure?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
He responds, I'll just take the tent, establishing she is
not hot enough for eel grabbing. We've now hit we've
hit the line.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
So the best best women are men, but not too much.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
He changes his mind. You know what, you keep the tent.
What I'm going to do is leave. He darts out,
and Lonnie calls after him.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I was just trying to be friendly. Lonnie hangs her
head and asks Eric if something is wrong with.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Her from the audience, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
When it happened, I did.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
Too, and I was like, okay, writers write in the
sense there is no need for that. There's no need
for her in any way, shape or formed for this
this one.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
It's it's always an awe because it's our second or
third take.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Knows that they're supposed to feel to steal back, you contribute,
and it's like, yeah, that's true. Now that's true.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
It never feels like, it never feels earnest, it never
feels honest. I always like the obligatory. Let me tell
let the.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Audience help tell you the story. Right now, I gotta.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Feel Lonnie hangs her head and asks Eric if something
is wrong with her. Eric is scanning her up and down,
not saying anything. She asks again, and he explains.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I'm looking. She wonders, why am I always scaring boys off?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Eric asks, you don't have a lot of social experience
with men, do you? She says no, not with city
men at least. He asks if she dated any guys
up in the mountains, and she says, sure. We go
out to the woods and shoot things. Well, when you
see a cute, little fuzzy animal that you like and
I love, will that you were able to fit in
there a sense that you don't really like hunting.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, no, I that you want to you see a
cute anile that you want to kill? Yeah, it's a
great one. And this whole little like ron I do
really like you know, like, yeah, you have potential a
cartoon for you to see this speech, which is really funny.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
And it also, you're right, it absolutely had potential to
be a possible good earn his storyline. It's also it's
also Eric could have gone the route of Okay, I
can tell she's not interested in me, but she's miserable
being alone.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Maybe I really can't help as a friend. You know,
you could have gone that route too, and it just instead,
you're right, it just wanted to end with her looking
for a tag and me getting turned.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
Off speky and Soorcel moves.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Right, it's like elixir slipping, the elixir of the magical.
It's like, come on, just it could have it could
have been cool to.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Just be a friend in this moment. Yeah, it's interesting they.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Never decided to have Eric actually like all you do,
you're you flirt with her, you pine after her, but
like you don't actually make them Like it would have
been interesting if Eric actually fell for Lonnie or like
pursued a real relationship.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
They always just kind of go for the joke and
the sex thing, which.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
They never did in seven in seven seasons with Eric,
they never once had him pursue an actual relationship. Well,
I thought the single out episode sort of ended with
a pretty positive.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Like yeah, yeah, positive for him. Eric's gonna actually like
this person, yeah seriously.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
And I think hopefully down the line, there's one or
two other guest stars in the house. I guess that
you were but that yeah, but you were pursuing her
in a real way, whereas this.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Is just like right right, that's my Eric, no respect Eric.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Eric wants to know when you see a cute, little
fuzzy animal that you, you know, want to shoot, do you
go running up to it yelling and waving your rifle
in the air, Eric asks, Lonnie laughs no, because it'll
scare the critter off. Ah, she's figured out her problem.
You're saying, my behavior is scaring these citymen. Eric whispers
just a smidge. Lonnie realizes she needs to learn to
hunt and track these boys, but she's going to need

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a city man to practice on. Eric lets out a
goofy giggle as she stares at him. And then we're
in the Matthew's kitchen. Alan appears to be doing taxes.
He's like got a calculator. Who knows what business He's
got on the table.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
It's Wilderness Store, receipts.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
That's true, the receivable and payable, Yes.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Exactly, Amy workship and tense.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
That week, ye, Corey and Sean walk in holding bags
from Samantha's Secret. Alan asks Corey how his day was,
but Corey quickly blows by him and heads to the stairs.
Alan yells, hold on. Every day I ask you what
you did, and every day you tell me nothing. We
both know something happened today, and I want to know.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
What it is.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Corey sighs, I decided to be a girl. Alan stares
at him blankly. You taught me a very valuable lesson there, son.
Sean asks, Samy, you know the book Black Like Me.
A stressed Alan butts in, don't ask any questions, honey.
Sean explains Corey's gonna write chick Like Me for the
school newspaper. He's going to experience life through a girl's
point of view by dressing up as a girl, and

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we reveal Corey holding up a cute red mini dress.
Alan admits, no, don't want you to. Amy defends it.
It's a wonderful learning experience. It could serve him well
for the rest of his life, and Corey holds up
another dress. Amy pulls out a bra out of another
shopping bag, and Corey explains it's a miracle bra. Alan
sarcastically says, it's a miracle bra. Honey, get a camera, Corey.

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I'm not dressing up like a girl just for the
sake of dressing up like a girl. I'm a journalist.
Dag nabbot, And the dag nabbot is the dag nabt
dag navity the line, Yeah, it's the line reading that
I was.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Let me ask you guys something, do you mind cross
dressing funny?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
It was?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
It was supposed to be very funny back then. Like
I mean you think about you know, missus doubtfire and
but did.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
You ever find it funny?

Speaker 4 (35:24):
I mean, I I mean it depends on what you
were I mean, there there was a there was an
interesting way to do it. Like I go my head
instantly when you asked that went to kids in the hall.
Where the kids in the hall they were just doing
sketches where they would be the female characters, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Oh so you mean the actual idea of a like
character having to you know, I mean, I sound like

(35:47):
it hot as the ultimate example.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I haven't.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Yeah, I just I don't it's just funny because I
remember when we did this episode. You know, obviously so
much of the joke, so many of the jokes is
look at these guys, you know, in a dress, or
look at those guys being women, And I just remember
being like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I never found that funny.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Like I didn't find this is a doubtfire that funny.
I never I just never was like, what's the joke?
And it's it feels it's an interesting thing. I mean,
some people still love it, right, I think it still
kind of works. Like that's the point of drag is
like a sort of performative like gender performance that is
transgressive in a way, right, Like I am crossing a boundary,

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you know that I'm a man, I am dressing as
a woman to like get a laugh or a joke.
And yeah, I'm so curious, Like I remember not finding
it that funny back then, but it was such a
standard joke. It was saying you always had an episode
of almost every show where a male character did this,
and then like you know, I feel like there's a
million Eddie Murphy movies where he's in a dress, you know,
our serties.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
It's like but you go you can go back to
some incredible films, Like you said, something like a Hot
or TUTSI is another great example of I think if
it depends on what the character's doing and what the
characters learning as they're doing that, Like again, exactly what
you're doing in Chick like Me, exactly what Sean is doing.
There's there's jokes wrapped in to the story of what

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you're actually learning.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
By It's a good version, definite, rightly, exactly the version, right.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
But I feel like on the surface, the humor often is,
oh my god, that's a dude in a dress, right,
Like that's the joke is like to just laugh at
like this guy we know, you know, and yeah it's
I do remember like literally doing it and being like
why is this funny? Like I don't know if this
is uh, and I just always yeah, it's never struck

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me as as a joke.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Well, it's even worse actually if you take it to
the level that it is, because we do it again,
Jack and I do it again in a later episode
where it's not only being a girl, it's that it
doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Because you're a quote unquote ugly girl. Yeah, so that's
where it is.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
It's not I remember that episode being as successful as
chick like Me.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
No, because no, because you learn something and check like me.
There was a point to it, there is, that's the
whole idea.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
So great about this episode is that it actually it
takes the joke, the sort of superficial, immediate joke of
of cross dressing and takes it to a place where
it's like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Both yes, you know, everybody's.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Learned something and experience something, and that's great.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Our episode with Jack and Eric that do that, it's
just cross dressing for the sake of the joke. Nothing
is learned, nobody grows as a person. It is simply
the joke of I look ugly in address. That's that's it,
And that's so it's I mean, it's the tale of
two things on the same show. It's that, you know,
it's the tale of what you can do and what
you shouldn't do. And I know that people love the

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episode where I dress up like a woman because they
think it's funny, and if you can put that aside,
that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
But nobody, maybe a lot of people really do find it.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
I mean, it's it's a it's a trope, right, yes,
well it's also been around for dress is whereas like
the reverse isn't quite as funny, like a well girl
dresses a guy is not. It's not as transgressive as
miracle and like. But anyway, there's just something about twentieth
century American culture that loved.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Guys and dresses.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Because it's also women were not allowed to act at
all back in the Elizabethan age, so it was all
it was the men were playing all the women too.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
It's different.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
But it wasn't a joke, That's what I mean. That's
what That's what I mean. It wasn't a joke. That
was they were actors playing a role, which is why
when you get Dustin Hoffman in Tutsie, he's an actor
playing a role that hearkens back to that time on stage,
like you know, like Shakespeare.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Again, it's a story where the cross dressing is like
a funny fact outside of you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Not the point whereas I feel like the point of Corey.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Pulling out a brawl and the audience going is like,
oh my god, we're gonna see you know, it's like,
isn't that hysterical?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, well, then Tapega walks in and tells Sean she
may have been a bit protective of Debbie this morning,
preventing her from fully considering his point of view. Sean
proudly exclaims, I never knew I had a point of view.

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Corey says, everything's worked out for the best because he's
decided to be a girl and see what it's really like.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Topanga frowns, not in a dress, You're not.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Corey was counting on her expert assistance to help in
selecting the proper female accouterment. Tapanga asks, you want me
to dress you up like a girl? Corey smiles, yeah
to Panga, make Corey pretty. Tapanga responds, cool, I like it.
It was the cool of Danielle cool.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
I also like that they had Topanga coming in and
the first thing she's doing is apologizing to Sean for not.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Listening to his point of view. Like it's a good
moment between the two of you.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Whose She's like, you know what, I might I might
have dismissed you too fast this morning exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
And I think it's also a nice acknowledgment that you know, truthfully,
there is another side.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
To this that deserves hearing as well like it.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Maybe we've been we're having miscommunications and part of it's
because I wasn't listening to you.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Yeah, and Sean has also already come you know, he's yeah,
he's come up with this project.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You walk and saying, let's do this project.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
It's a very mature. It's so mature all the characters.
So then we do a kind of optical flip to
Corey's room. We haven't seen it for a while. We
get a nice look at the parking meter piggy bank
that we remember from season one. To Penga and Sean
are waiting patiently for Corey outside the bathroom, when to
Pega shouts, Sweetie, you have to come out eventually. Corey groans,

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don't want us second thoughts to peg It promises they
won't laugh. Corey assures them, you're not seeing what I'm seeing.
Sean reminds Corey he's going to make a difference in
the lives of guys and girls everywhere. Corey reiterates, you're
not seeing what I'm seeing. Sean asks how bad a
girl could you be? And then Corey walks out of
the bathroom wearing a brown wig, bright red lipstick, a

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giant bra underneath a relatively tight dress, brown tights, white
high heels, and long fake nails. It is a very
committed costume. And want to go on record as saying
I don't think he looks that bad.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Oh, I don't think he looked at bad either. Well,
I mean, yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
The irony here is that at the end of the
episode when he's Cora, he's actually the most convincing female,
the most you know, like way more convincing than I
think I am.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
You know, it's and then that.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
And his performance is so great, like so cool a
character like oh yeah, like I feel like I've actually
met women that talk and look like that. And Ben
is so good. So the idea that Corey can't do
it here I never quite understood. I remember even when
we were filming.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
It being like yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
But then he shows up his Cora. Why did he
choose to do Cora? And he does it so well.
I don't know, it's weird, but I guess they just
needed again the joke of like gout dress and that.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
But Ben is very funny in this scene, so funny.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
I think he sells it by playing it as a
stretched out woman, which is really fun, you know, like
his mannerisms and like I think I look fat, and
like the way he holds his nails and like.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
All of that.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
But it's also so that's all very meta, like why
would Corey be acting like that? Right, He's uncomfortable being dressed,
you know, but it's it's funny.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Whatever, It's very Do you think he didn't button up?
There's like two or three of the choice buttoned. I
know they had to make him that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
They had to like overstuff his bra and make it
his shoveled and because you know.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's you know, we had to set up the storyline
to get me. And I couldn't tell if that was
a choice or not. I guess it was.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
So Topanga can hardly look at him, and Sean admits, okay, bad.
Corey asks how bad, and Sean tells him bad bad. Corey,
siys I knew it. I look fat, Sean says, fat
is the least of your problems, baby. Topanga wonders, maybe
it's just not a good color for you. Corey's upset,
and he runs back toward the bathroom. Topega and Sean
grab him. She's confident they can do this, It's all

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about how you present yourself to Panga encourages him to
show it off. So Corey gathers himself and starts strutting
with some sass. He snaps his hands back and forth.
He contemplates the cat walk and asks if that was
all right. Shawn answers, not even on a desert island.
Girls just glide more. You gotta kind of let it flow.
To Pega admits, that's right on the nose. Sean shrugs.

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Girls are my area. I like girls. Corey asks Sean
to show him, so Sean does his own sassy glide
and to Panga and Corey realize what needs to happen.
Sean repeatedly says no, no, no, no, and then we
optical flip to the school. A rowdy guitar riff plays
as Sean is peeking out into the hallway. We see
he's wearing some dark eye makeup, paired with red lipstick

(44:32):
and a brown wig with bangs. He looks a little
apprehensive before stepping out in a mini skirt, gliding next
to a very giddy Corey.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Matthews, right, or what do you remember about this scene?

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Oh? Well, I just remember the whole week, you know,
so much attention because you know, you have to realize,
like it's written on the page that I'm supposed to
gorge gorgeous, or that you know that it works in
a way that it doesn't work for Corey. And of
course it's it's easier to sort of figure out way
is to make somebody unattractive than it is to make.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Them actually attractive.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
And so yeah, so I just remember so much energy
put on, like you know, I actually had tape on
my face to like pull it back obviously, lots of makeup,
the wig and then the outfit that would work.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, I mean I remember being stressed out. I remember
being stressed out this week.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Yeah, I remember mostly being like you know, which is
funny because when I watched the episode, I don't feel
that stress. Actually, I feel like I'm pretty I'm really
happy with my performance. I go, this might be maybe
the best.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
I've done on.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Because of the cross stressing factor, because the the quick changes,
especially like in this scene, and like the ability the
way that that you know, when Sean is in character
when he's not, you know, I went to laugh with
him or when to laugh at him, and like I'm
just like I didn't realize how much I was threading

(46:07):
this needle as an actor, and I look back on it,
I'm just like, wow, that was mer curial, Like he
I'm moving through like one look at the and I
was like, and then you know, there's just a relaxed,
like a confidence that I'm really impressed by in seventeen
year old writer. I'm just like, good, good job, dude,
this is cool. Like I don't know that many seventeen

(46:28):
year olds who who would have pulled this off?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Like I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Like, so for one of the first times on this podcast,
I'll say, like, I'm very proud of you.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Should be.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
You're also playing it completely and totally straight, like totally committed,
and so the comedy is just coming. You're not hitting
you're not trying to hit any joke, which is what
we do on this show.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
We're trying to hit jokes all the time.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
The comedy is coming from the commitment of just playing
this character, and the comedy comes naturally from the situations
that you're then in, which makes makes the laughs three
times as sharp.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
In my opinion, Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
But yeah, when I watched the scene, I was like,
because I guess over the years, I think the sort
of popular conception of this episode, at least it has
been reflected back to.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Me, is like, oh my gosh, you were hot, like
you were actually you know, And I looked at it
and I was like, no, it's still still kind of
looks like me.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
I got a big face, I got a big agree
with you. You're very like I look kind of.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I was just like, it's it's very interesting because when
you know, we had Lori Heaps on the show and
Laurie was talking about what a what an undertaking it was,
and you know, finding the wigs and.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
All of that. It's it is a hard job.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
For the crew when in a script, no matter how
realistic it is, it just says Sean is a gorgeous woman,
and then next to that, you know, Corey's a hideous woman.
It's much easier to make somebody look ugly. You can
add things and make them look disheveled and do all
kinds of things. It is much harder to make a

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very you're a manly guy, you have a you have manly,
stereotypically manly features to now suddenly with no plastic surgery,
but just what you can you have at your fingertips
sell you as a convince a convincingly attractive feminine woman.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Difficult.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
It's hard, yeah, yeah, And that's why I think like
Corah is actually more successful because it's character and you
can tell that, like, you know, obviously, they figured out
the hair and the thing, and then figured out an
attitude and a and a way of walking and talking
that matched the outfit, and.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
It becomes its own thing.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
And that's way more convincing than Sean as Veronica.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Like Veronica to me always felt a little I don't.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Know, but but but I think that the trick is
the high boots and the short skirt. Right, we just
have to make it, yes, we have to make it
like a fast girl, a typical boy, you know. So
she's I mean, Veronica is rest like right, like a
stripper really, you know, a porn star, like if she.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Really you know.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
So much of that is because of the colors they chose,
because I thought the same thing. I was looking at
the black and the red and I was like, they
went for a very look at me va vavom color combo.
And I wonder if that's because they were hoping that
that that alone would add a sexual factor that maybe

(49:25):
you and more in softer colors, Maybe you looked manlier
with with more neutral colors or something.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
So did you have to do you remember?

Speaker 5 (49:33):
Did you have to try on a whole bunch of
looks and a whole bunch of outfits or was it
kind of just like.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Like I said, I remember being stressed out like I
remember being I wonder how much of that stress and
anxiety was performative on my part though, you know, which
is a little bit of a bummer to think about.
But I think that I probably was, like wanted to
make everybody sure that I was. I was uncomfortable with
having to be like a woman, you know, like you know,
because do you see what I'm saying, Like, yeah, I

(49:58):
think seventeen year old as much just I can look
back and say, I'm I was confident in in my
acting and like in the in the beat to beat,
I think there was also a part of me that,
you know, wanted to make sure everybody knew that like
this isn't normal for me.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't typically just you know, which is ridiculous,
like who gives me writer?

Speaker 4 (50:16):
But but you know, I was seventeen whatever, and I
was asked, and I was, you know, frankly, like I
didn't get asked whether to do that. You know, you
just get the script and you got to do it.
So I'm sure there was a little bit of like
can I pull this off? And that insecurity fed into well,
I shouldn't want to pull this off, like I don't
need to, you know, because I am such a guy,
such a I would never you know, which, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
But then I also.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Kind of remember that there was some acting, like there
was some fun that like, oh, you know, this is
a typical acting thing. Like you said, it goes back
to Elizabethan tradition. You should be able to play anything.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, you know, I know, without a shadow of a doubt.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Writer, young writer, modern day writer would have loved the
idea of this message, like the scripts message you were
hook line and sinker for, this is a message that
need to be told, like women need. You know, this
is so you would have loved the point behind it,
while also dealing with teenage ego stuff of but it

(51:15):
makes me very uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Yeah, well, it's equivalent to having to be in your
underwear exactly, like the way great story yes, this could
be good for the character of the storyline, but as
the actor.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I have to actually do it.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, And that's what I remember feeling mostly with this
episode was that anxiety of like, this is I have
to pull this off. I have to go through makeup
for four hours. I have to try on. Like you said,
I don't remember, but I'm sure I tried it on
more reading different outfits before they were like, this is
the right combination.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Because it is, it's tricky. How do you sell it
but also make it obvious?

Speaker 4 (51:49):
And yeah, but anyway, going back when I saw this scene,
I was like, I don't I'm not that convinced.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
And I'm also just I don't think I'm that attractive.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
But whatever, it's it's funny and the point is there,
and you know, I guess compared to Corey, it's it's great,
you know.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Sean nervously asks Cory why everyone's staring at him. Corey admits,
I don't want you to take this the wrong way,
but you're kind of a babe. Sean's excited to hear this.
Corey even offers to carry his books. Sean's down, that's cool.
They walk over to Topanga and she asks why Corey's
carrying Sean's books, and he explains, we're trying to create
the illusion that Sean's a girl, so I thought this
would help. Topenga says he never carries her books, and

(52:25):
Corey says, well, look at him, and sheepishly smiles.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
The inmates in the audience love it.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
They did. They were very on board.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
They are laughing and Tapanga eyes Cory up and down.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Funny book. I give.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
It's such a like it's it's so interesting to see
how much this was on the heels of an affair
to Yes, you know, it's like this sort of and
I wonder how long I'm going to really enjoy it.
I'm enjoying this now, but like, I know, we do
the gay joke a lot, you know, like the Corey
Sean and it's like walking then you know here it's

(53:01):
very funny because it's like you know, but yeah, I'm
curious how many episodes in I'm going to be able
to like think this is great but it's very funny. Now.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah, Corey covers and look at you. You were just
radiant today. Topanga, always the ally how asks how it
feels for Sean to be wearing pantyhose. He reminds her
it's not Sean. He needs a girl's name. Corey offers Janet,
but Sean turns it down to Pega. Senses there's more here.
You've thought about this before, haven't you. Sewan admits a little.

(53:32):
The name he likes is Veronica. Corey turns to Tapanga
in horror, but Tapanga responds encouragingly, Veronica is a lovely name.
Right then mister Feeney walks up to the group. Good morning,
Miss Laurence, mister Matthews, mister Hunter, and then he stops.
Dead iness tracks Beeanie looks up to the sky and
shakes his head in dismay. He turns to Veronica and

(53:52):
smiles awkwardly. If there's anything you need to talk about,
my door is always open. I'm not here to judge.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
So now I loved it, but I had a thought,
do you think it? I mean, there's two ways to
look at it. You can never fool Feenie. He's gonna
he'll always know no matter what. But the other way
to look at it is that people would be able
to recognize that it's Sean right away.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
So I didn't you know, I didn't know if.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
It's interesting, it should have come after somebody else.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Exactly the same thing.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
It shouldn't have started with the first persons recognizing him.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
He's just so used to seeing the three of us together.
He said the three names.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I read it as always knows.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Yeah, that's what I got to But I thought, if
it's shakes his head, it's brilliant. But if just one
person first saw it, like like acknowledge that Veronica was
Veronica before then Foenie comes in and says Sean Hunter.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
I think it would have made it stronger because when
the first person addresses as Sean, my head instantly went to, oh,
then the this guy's never going to work everybody, you know,
everybody's going to know him.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I would love to see the script for this. Do
you think you have a copy of Chicken? I'm gonna
I was just thinking, I want I'll look through everything
I want to see if I'm curious about I just want
to know this is like the second or third time
this has come up. I really want to know what
the stage direction said, like, what did you say for Bill?

Speaker 2 (55:21):
What did you say?

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Did Feeney stop roll his eyes like it's not rolling
that because like what Bill does is just like a
prayer to heaven? Like what do you call that? Little
like desperate? Like I can't believe I have to deal
with this.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
It's so good.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
I would love to see how that was actually if it.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Was, because don't you remember Kevin Calton saying that he
he one time puts something in for a stage direction.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
For Bill and Bill.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yeah, which is how to say your actual life? This
would have been a beat on the page with the
action line. And I'm so curious what it said, like
I just because however, you know, I don't know. However,
as a writer, I'm curious what it said because it's
so cool. Yeah, and then also as a as an
actor and appreciate someone who appreciates Bills acting. If it's

(56:05):
not there, what you know what he brought to it
as an actor, I'm so curious.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yes, it's great.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
So Sean clarifies it's for an article we're writing. Phoene
reminds them I am not here to judge and walks away.
Corey notices their target. Gary is approaching Tapenga says to him,
Debbie said, you two went out on Saturday that Gary
notices Veronica and is distracted.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
This look man, his ability with his eyes to just
go hey, hey, hey, he plays a great creed.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
He does plays a great creed. It's his locked down
to the new girls. Yep, so good.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Hi there, I'm Gary, Corey excitedly introduces Veronica. Veronica was
Boyski was Boyski. Gary kicks some game. I've never seen
you before you knew in school. Veronica laughs, Yep, I'm
just a whole new person. I do like your womanly voice.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Writer. Yeah, it's not too overdone.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Really well, I don't know. I mean, I don't. I don't, Yeah,
I don't. I felt a little uncommitted. It's like I
felt like I was done.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
If it had been over the top, it wouldn't have
been good. It's so subtle, subtle and just just delicately
feminine enough enough that it's it works. I really think
had it been over the top with the way you look,
I also would have been like, Nope, I can't, I
can't buy it. But it really worked, And I think

(57:39):
the reason it worked for me is because of your voice.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
So I think it was a good choice.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Gary offers to take her to Chubby's tell her what
teachers to avoid all of that stuff, but then adds,
I mean, unless your boyfriend already did that. Corey interrupts again, No, Gary,
this one is definitely available. Veronica shoes him away. Corey,
I can speak for myself. That'd be great to hang
abouts in. So Saturday is that good for both of you?
Sean reminds her under his breath, Saturday is my date night.

(58:06):
Corey exclaims it still is.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
And this is one of those moments where I was like,
that's so good. You just ought to John the coach
switching that Sean is doing.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, absolutely, it's really well done.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
I'm so curious, Like going back just a second, I
wonder where this episode fell in the right I can't
wait to talk to Steve Hibbert, Like who came up
with this? Like why, Like I wonder if they watched
An Affair to Forget and we like, let's let's push
it even further, right, you know, like the way that
because because I reminded just right now and when when
I'm doing the female the Veronica, it's very similar to

(58:39):
the way I was like Corey, you know, like laughing
at like they're shy, the shy like, and so I
wonder if that was the inspiration, Like the writers were like,
oh we could, we could just push this even further
into Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Well, we can't wait to talk town.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
We got to see And then Veronica smiles at Gary
and agrees to Saturday. Gary so he'll see her then,
and gives her a wink as he leaves. Corey and
Tapanga congratulate John. He's got a date.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
John's nervous. I have nothing to wear, and I love this.
I love how now it's just so quickly.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
All of the fears and all of the anxieties about
being a woman, the insecurities just and.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
All your mannerisms were like, well, it were perfect at
the time. You're like fiddling with your fingers.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
And ran around.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
It's really well done.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
We go to a commercial break and then we come
back at the Wilderness Store. It's now after hours. Eric
and Lonnie. She's back in her crop top flannel. That
makes so much sense. They're practicing her approach with city.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
You can be warm, but show that belly button.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
So your boobies are warm, but your belly button is cool.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
And I've got the cool sleeves rolled off as Eric
looks pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, Eric creates a scenario where he's a guy named Dave,
and when Lonnie sees him at the club, she wants
him to avoid detection and stay with the hunting metaphor.
She crouches down and walks slowly toward Eric, slyly, placing
herself right next to him at the bar. Eric tells
her to make eye contact and smile, so she gives
him a big grin and enthusiastically says, I want that one,
and she pokes him on the nose. Eric admires her

(01:00:13):
single mindedness, but no, he says that if she gives
a guy a compliment.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
He will be hers for the rest of her life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Apparently, what world.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Is it true of a man that if you give
him a compliment, he will be loyal to you for
the rest of his life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Well, let's try it. Give me a compliment right now?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Will you have the most gorgeous eyes?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I love you, my god? It works it that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Do you think, Well, I don't know the loyalty, but
I do think that like when you say that, like
guys like to have their egos. Oh, that's more than
because the opposite, like with women, like the sort of
uh pick up artist strategy opposite, right, the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Like the whole why'd you wear that jacket?

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Right? The nagging idea, right, Like that's the like traditional
advice if you want to get a guru, you gotta
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
And I think that's not true.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Well maybe it's I don't know, does it work the
other way? You never hear about pickup artists from a
female perspective. There must be some.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Because you don't need to be an artist and you
walked up and you go, yeah, hey, let's go, and
you wear a fleece crop top.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
And that's jacket or exactly check.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Yeah, though I don't know, but I would assume just
based on my life experience. Yeah, Guys like compliments, right,
They like being told you're smart.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
The whole idea of like, wow, you're smart.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
They'll talk to you that night, sure, but then the
minute somebody else gives them a compliment, Yeah, it's like,
give us a compliment, where yours for the rest of
your life?

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
It's like what I just I always think of that
amazing line is that from when Harry met Sally where
he says women need a reason have sex, men just
need a place.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
And I think that's true basically.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
But it's also like what is her problem?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Exactly, like what is you want?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Because she doesn't want to man she wants to a
dude to hang out with, or she wants somebody to date.
I think she wants for somebody to date, but again,
would that be like really, I don't know, she's scaring
the guys off by being too man manly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
There's a right level of manliness to be the perfect woman.
She hasn't hit that yet, right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
I think it's also she think what they were trying
to do was also talk where it's more about I
think they attempted to do more about city versus country. Yes,
and really country where it's like let's go hunting and
eel grabbing, right, you knowing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Also like I'm going to beat you in arm wrestling.
I'm going to be a better shot than you. I'm
going to wrestle eels like things where it's like, wow,
you you are really like the manliest bro I could
ever hang out with.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Right, And maybe what's interesting is the bet storyline. What
essentially they're saying, if you look at it this way,
is that to Lannie, gender doesn't matter at all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
It's all blur.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
If you're hanging out, having a good time and doing
what you love. Where in the A storyline, gender was
very very important, so it was kind of the Yeah,
it was a weird balance between the two. Maybe you're right,
maybe that's why they did need the B storyline writers,
because there is that kind of balance.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
But I just wanted to see more.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
At your point in some way, right, its like it's
a reverse like she has to learn how to be
a woman, right, she has to learn how to think
like a man. Yes, that's that's more. He's not trying
to tell her to be more feminine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Well, he is trying to tell her you're scaring them off,
and the way you're starring them off is by being
more manly than they and they are kind.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Of but but he's not even yeah, yeah, he's trying
to put her in the mindset of like how a
man perceives her or how a man, which is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Like too manly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
You're punching me and it hurts, and your idea the
time shunting and wrestling eels, which like maybe I would
want to do with my bros, but isn't what I
want to spend my time with a lady friend, do it, right?

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
But They easily could have taken this storyline and gone,
we need to put you in a dress and you
need to learn.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
How to you know, I'm glad they didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
I'm so glad they didn't go It wasn't Eric wasn't
teaching her to be more feminine, right, It wasn't like
you need to be more of a girl.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
It was just you need to tell right, your shirt's
too big.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Never came out of Eric's mountain, right, But yeah, you
could see they could have gone that route where it's like, well,
we got to put you in a dress. It could
have been that same thing, and thankfully they didn't go
that route.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Yeah they didn't. You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Lonnie touches Eric's flannel. That's the nicest shirt. I'd love
to get one for my brother Buck.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Who makes that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Eric tells her some shirt guy, and Lonnie takes the
liberty of checking the tag. She's all over him trying
to find the label, and Eric is soaking in every minute.
She stops herself and realizes, you know what I'm doing.
Eric dreamily responds, just what God intended. Lonnie says, no,
I'm being too friendly again, and you were just about
to tell me that, weren't you. And the reason this

(01:05:03):
part doesn't really work is that her previous friend over
friendliness had nothing to do with being too physical.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
No, no, and she's not scaring him away, she's actually
drawing him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Right, So it's actually like, I know, this part didn't
really work. You were just about to tell me that,
weren't you. Eric lies, yes, Lonnie admits I never would
have thought that being friendly could drive people away. I
guess friendliness is just different between men and women. Eric
agrees and steps back a respectable distance, sticking out his
hand for a handshake. Instead, she grabs his hand and

(01:05:35):
politely says, my name is Lonnie Bowden, and I will
do whatever I can not to physically invade your personal space.
Perhaps we can discuss your career goals over a great
knee high. Eric gives her a fake laugh and utters.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
What have I done? And I like this part.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I love the idea where if he could have set
her up with somebody, if there was some sort of
advice where now he was actually losing his chances with her.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, that that part's great.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
But instead what they did was we never see her again, right,
exactly so that's I do like to think that grape
knee high was a mash reference.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
By the way, I'm hoping it has to be, because
what is it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Grape knee Hi's a drink. Okay, you've never had greape
knee high? You know who love?

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Grape knee high is rider because it's all it's a no,
it's a soda. It's like grape soda. But it almost
has the same kind of backbite as that ginger beer
that you like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
So it's like a grape kind of But yeah, from.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Paper Moon, eat your Coney Island, drink your knee high Moon, right, No, please,
are you serious?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
It's like the greatest movie ever. Oh man to movie
for a rider? Please party? Yes, oh my god. Okay,
you will love it. I'll bring the I'll bring grape
knee high.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Right, you'll bring the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Chubby's the only place a day can happen. Veronica and
Gary are sitting next to each other in a booth
near the OJ Jersey when Gary says, this has been
a terrific evening and you are just great.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
On the same side of the back.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Yeah, you're committed again. I love how Sean is committed
to this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Yeah, Veronica is visibly nervous, but Gary continues, how is
it that someone like you doesn't have a boyfriend. She laughs,
I haven't really been looking for a boyfriend because I've.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Just been going through a lot of changes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Gary assures her, anytime you want to talk, I'm here
to listen. She thanks him, admiring his kindness, and it
seems as though he's developing a bit of a crush.
Then she snaps out of it. I've got to have
some food.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Gary takes charge.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Call that beat that and it was she gets some food,
I get some food. It was I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
So it's very like, I'm not quite it's funny. It's
just like I'm getting caught up in the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Moment with Yes, you're getting caught up in Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
It's great because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
It's also I love that like your the Veronica slash
Sean thought process is like, maybe I'm feeling faint, maybe
I need to eat, Maybe maybe I need to eat something.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
It's just so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
And then Corey bursts in from the kitchen, now wearing
a curly wig and a king waitress uniform.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
In a husky voice, she asks how you're doing honey.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Topanga's at a nearby table watching on and is speechless
and bemused. Her eyes are popping out of her head.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Veronica, a little explanation like what was like?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
What is Corey's playing here?

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I know, I think just wanted to be involved, just
to be involved. But you're right, there's no setup, like
why was this necessary?

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Just like one little like like sean to I mean,
I guess I do say, like Corey, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
So you're insane?

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Right? But wouldn't it be great if he was like
this is my research, like I have to be here? Yeah,
I don't know, like just some explanation of like he's
there to be undercover also to get the or whatever.
But instead it's just like and I guess they just
were like no, it's just too funny, doesn't It doesn't matter?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
But I should have been a side with Topanga. What
are you doing research? That's exactly my job.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
I'm the journalist. I'm the one who has to write
the article. I might as well, yeah, because it is
weird that Shawn's doing all the undercover journalism, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
But then Corey is still going to.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Be an easy thing to just rationalize, like I had
to go under cover his korra in order.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
To be it's possible.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
They just figured that's obvious, Like we've already discussed this.
The whole scene of them getting dressed in the women's
clothes was all about I've got to do this for
my research.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
But then and then Sean not knowing that he was
going to show up, is weird, Like right, exactly like
Sewan and Tapanga should be like here comes Corey in him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Even at the end of the scene where you got
the where you got the the date, if.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
There had just been a little bit now we hatch
our plan where it's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Like and also like what happened between Corey dressing as
a woman before and Corey.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Dressing as a woman now, that makes him think a.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Conversation of like, well, you can't be attractive enough to
be the bait, but you can't get the bait, so
you have to do something else in order to get
this article. That's all it would have taken, is like
one conversation like we gotta find a role.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
You know, you have to go on to cover two.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
We'll figure it out or yeah, or it's just Sean
ending the last scene going I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
I can't do this alone. I can't. Don't worry, you won't.
He won't be alone. Yeah, you won't be alone.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
That's it. Yeah, Yeah, and then not being surprised that
he's it's weird that I'm surprised. I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yes, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
If you weren't surprised, I would think all of that
happened off screen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
And I buy it, And I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
In Corey rescuing me yet whatever, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
So, Veronica whispers Corey, and he corrects her. Core Rah,
I'll be your waitress this evening. Corey remarks, I come
in here a lot. I've never seen you before. Chorus
snaps back, quit hitting on me. Just just so funny,
She laughs, just kidding, it's my first night.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
She winks at Gary.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Veronica shakes her head and says under her breath, you're insane.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Cora asks to take their order. Baby Gary goes first.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
My usual, a double chili burger and one chocolate milkshake
with two straws. Veronica says, I'll have the same, and
a steak and a steak. Aura and Gary are surprised
by this appetite.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
The association of like masculinity with meat steak.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
But the thing, I like, it's not about masculinity. For me,
it was all about Seawn. He's not a free meal. Yeah,
it's to me. It was just like, this is what
Seawn would do.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
No, no, no, I mean I mean I just know,
having been a vegetarian for so much, it was like
it was an immediate opportunity for people to question my
masculinity or your sexuality or my sexuality erect right. Like
it was always like, especially in the late nineties early
oft it was like immediately like, oh, well you must
be gay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Or you're turning into a woman, or.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Some joke or some teasing immediately followed the fact that
you're a vegetarian.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
But in this case, it does also work for Sewan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I think Sean, Yeah, I mean it totally works.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
You're trying to increase atosterone because of meat consumption. Meat,
that is true, so yeah, but it's it just struck
me at this. I was like, this is such a
kind of obvious, easy joke.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
But yes, but I did. I thought of it as
an easy Sean joke, and I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
I mean, he wanted extra food like him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Yeah, we had we had the joke about you coming
in when Corey and you were like, what is this
When he has the burger I wasn't gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
I was gonna and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Then it's cut in half and you want to pick
it up and eat half of it, and it's like,
to me, it works perfectly for Sean.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Yeah, I like that take, but I think I think
there's also this extra layer of like, right, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Have a personal bias about it because you had been
through it in your life, so it struck you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Corra Cora has to comment on it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
You got quite an appetite, like I don't know, like
he's eating too much for a woman, and he's eating
not womanly food.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
That is the joke. As part of the joke.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
I understand what you're saying that Sean is poor and
wants as much food as you can get for out
of this guy, But there's also another layer of like
that is not very seemly for being for ronic.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Sure, sure, there's definitely commentary on the fact that women
would probably not consume in one meal a steak plus
a double chili cheeseburger. But when I felt like there's
the obvious joke, I actually thought that's the obvious Sean moment,
which I thought was cute. It did not in any

(01:13:21):
way make me think, ugh, stereotypical men eat and women
need to eat a salad. I didn't think that. I
thought cute, cute that Sean is like, yeah, I got
you have a steak. I'm at Chubby's and somebody else
is paying great. So Corey and Gary are surprised by
this appetite. Corey pinches Veronica's cheeks. Aren't you the voracious
little eater?

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Corey.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Cora walks away, waving and mouthing hi babe to Tapanga.
As she passes to Panga, stares back in awe with
a huge smile on her face. Gary puts his arm
around Veronica. Are you having a good time? She admits,
a little trouble breathing. You're crowding me a bit. Gary
insists you're probably just tense. How about I rub your shoulders.
She uncomfortably mentions, I didn't ask you to do that.
Gary brushes it off, but doesn't it feel good? Veronica

(01:14:03):
shoves him. You're not listening to me, Gary laughs, you're
a strong one. Yeah, I play a little field hockey.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
She says.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Gary mentions he knew that because the first thing he
noticed or Veronica's legs. He slides his hand down her
thigh and Veronica immediately jumps up.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
She yells, you just don't listen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
You're too busy planning your next move to hear us
say no, He pulls the same move Sean did earlier
in the episode, not listening what. Veronica grabs her purse
and storms away. Kora stops her and asks, now in
Corey's voice, what happened? Sean breaks character, he touched me
on my knee? What makes him think that that it's
his knee? To Pega wonders, well, maybe you sent him
a signal, and Seawan argues, the only signal I sent him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
It's amazing between the three of us, and like the
way that we're able to have.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
The it's just believable.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
And yet it's perfectly to the debate that started the episode,
and it feels like Cory and I mean, Topanga and
Sean are seeing each other's point. It's just great.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Yes, and Pega is also challenging him in a really
interesting way, like, well, maybe sent a signal?

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Like he can that she doesn't. She doesn't like that
all the time accusatory.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
She's letting him draw it out very intelligently, so he
has to come to those own.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yeah, it's great, it's great, Sean argues.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
The only signal I sent him was to stop it
to Panga points out, and he didn't listen. Sean explains,
I'm not like that and I never will be again.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Right before a really nice little revision that Sean makes.
It's like this micro it's like, I'm not like that,
and then realizing like, oh my god, I might have been.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
I may realize it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
I may have been, like I'm not all and so
he makes the sort of immediate adjustment.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
Doesn't he say it twice? Which I think is even better.
Doesn't he say I'm not like that, I'm not I'll
never be like that again. And it's the second I'm
not that just sold the whole thing for me, where
it's like now he's first he just says it because
he's it's a knee jerk reaction, well I'm not like that,
and then it's trying to convince yourself right, and then
it's the realization that maybe I was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
And it all happens that fast. It's great, so well done.
Just yeah, like one, that's only three seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Awesome, awesome, And then right before Gary walks up, Sean
wants to quit, but Corey reminds them they have an
article to finish. Sean's eye, I should have worn a
pant suit, which great, gosh, it's so great. Then Gary arrives.
Look sorry, I got a little aggressive. Nobody respects women
more than me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Great, ride.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Me too, Like I love my mother.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
I would never be any guy ever, said.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Well, I have the mom, I have it. Shut up,
but has nothing to do with exact women.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
You're actually attracted to her inner relationship like stop.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Stop, nobody respects women more than me. You forgive me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Chorus speaks on her behalf. Of course she forgives you.
You two are just adorable together. Gary extends and offered
to Veronica, how about I teach you how to play foosball?
She smirks, how about I teach you? She glides away
and Gary laughs Yeah right. They walk away, and Chorus
starts to complain pulling at her clothes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
My hosiery is bunching.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
We said we would. We said that for the next
four years.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah, yeah, for the rest, for the rest of our lives.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
We would say that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Veronica leads Gary to the foosball table and he gives
a very simplified explanation of how to play the game.
Veronica asks, like this, and effortlessly scores a goal, which
is wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
By the way, I don't think you're not technically you're
not allowed to spin.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
You can't spin the handle.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
No, that's playing football, absolutely wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Yeah, correct, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
So the fact that Sean's supposed to be good on it, right,
aggressive and fast and hard, spin them, spoon them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Gary looks at her and awe kind of like that.
Veronica jokes, I can go a little easier.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
If you want.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Gary brushes her off. Just take your next shot. He
blocks her shot, and she gives him admiration on the
way he blocked it. He asks, oh, you like that,
Let me show you how I did it. He walks
over to Veronica, sliding his hand down her arms and
positioning himself directly behind her to show her how to
do it. He advises, what you need to have is
a real light touch. Then he grabs her hips and
Veronica shoves him off. Gary defends himself. I'm just showing

(01:18:23):
you how to play the game. Veronica fights back, I
know how to play the game. He sarcastically tells her,
I could tell by the way you're dressed. Veronica answers,
I just wanted to look nice. Gary compliments her and
grabs her shoulders. She reminds him not to touch her.
Gary holds his hands up dramatically. Okay, don't like to

(01:18:46):
be touched. Veronica's getting mad. Did it ever occur to
you that I might be a nice girl?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
No, leather jacket.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I don't like this one part of the writing that
the implication is nice girls, nice girls don't want to
ever make out or fool around on a first date.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
That part maybe could have, but.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
You're not a nice girl. It's then okay to just
go over and manhandle you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
That's the other right, exactly that either way, Yeah, that
the only reason you're not allowed to do this is
because I'm a nice girl.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Gary argues, No, what I thought was no. What I
thought was that you'd be into guys. But I guess
you're not. I guess you prefer girls for a corresponds
Now in Shawn's voice. As a matter of fact, I do,
Gary shocked. What Sean reiterates, I said, as a matter
of fact, and punches Gary directly in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I do one of the few moments of violence.

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Yeah, an actual punch, not a headlocker, an actual punch
who headlocks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Gary, lays on the floor in pain.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Head off, jerk store.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Gary lay's on the floor and pain. What was that
for for every girl I've ever known? Then Cora walks over,
Please pay it the register, honey, and tipping is not
a city in China. She rips off the receipt and
throws it onto Gary. Coorra locks arms with Veronica. Come on, honey,
we're out of here. Then Corera grabs Tapanga's arms and
the three of them walk out proudly. And I love
that little ending to our story.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
And it was like, David, let's go. And then boom
their credits to there are Oh. I thought there's going
to be more.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
I was hoping that was going to be more.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
And then we're in the tag in the school hallway.
The school newspaper's big headline is chick Like Me, and
above it is a picture of Veronica and Coorra. Everyone
is reading it, including Sean and Corey, who are surrounded
by girls taking a look. Phoene waltz up applauding them.
Seems the whole school is talking about it, and if
I do say so myself, excellent article, though he shakes
his head troubling photographs. Tapega and Debbie excitedly joined them.

(01:20:43):
Topanga is so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Proud of Corey.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Corey shrugs, well, I am a journalist, dag nabbitt. Debbie
then thanks him for what he did. Sean responds, not necessary.
I learned a lot. In fact, of all the guys around,
I'd say I'm the world's most perfect date right now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
A way to Penga gives Corey a lot of great
Sean cam up with the idea and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Exactly kind of interesting, like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
We have to keep the boy in the storyline to
Pega has but it's his his wrote he wrote the article.
So the whole idea at the beginning of it was
he should write something of substance, so he sure Sean okayt.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Him to do it, and then like when he would
he couldn't do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Debbie ads, of all the girls around, I could probably
use a perfect date right now. So what do you
have in mind? Sean suggests we could start with an
evening of good conversation. Debbie throws in and a genuine
connection with another human being. Sean says, I'm your boy.
Debbie holds out her hand and Sean grabs it. They
walk away happily together. The audience woos them loudly. Is
to Panga and Corey watched the couple with smiles on

(01:21:50):
their faces. Corey's face turns into a painful grimace as
he scratches his pants. Panga asks what's wrong, and he
says in his Cora voice, my hosiery is still bunch,
and there you have it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
There you go. This was, like we said at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
I think this was while I was watching it, I
was so enjoying it. I was enjoying the story, I
was enjoying the relationships. I was enjoying the way it
was written. You could play this episode right now and
it would be it would feel timely and relevant and
smart and funny and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
I just overall really really.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Season four, Season four, just continuing one after another.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
It's great, britty darn great.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode
of Podmeets World. Our next episode recap will be season four,
episode sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
A Long Walk to Pittsburgh, Part one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Wow one after another bang.

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