Ariz.'s 160 Yr Old Abortion Law, Fla. Man Paralyzed by Cops' Bullets, Dementia & The Black Community

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's Tuesday, April ninth.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I am doctor omic Congo de Benga sitting in for
Roland Martin tonight. Here's what's coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered,
streaming live on the black Star Network. Arizona reinstates a
one hundred and sixty year old abortion band. We'll talk
to the medical director and owner of a family planning
facility in Arizona about how this ruling will affect reproductive

(00:47):
care in the state. A Black Falerada mother just wanted
to help her son who was experiencing a mental health crisis.
Now he's facing being paralyzed for the rest of his
life and a possible prison sentence. A former Michigan police
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The Arizona Supreme Court ruled a free statehood territorial law
banning abortions in nearly all cases in the state is enforceable.
The court ruled to lift the state on the territorial
law and the Civil War Error eighteen sixty four law
will go into effect in fourteen days. It bans all
abortions except in cases when it is necessary to save

(03:03):
a pregnant person's life, and carries a possible prison sentence
of two to five years for abortion providers. The court
heard arguments in December about whether the eighteen sixty four
law should be reinstated. Up until today, abortions were legal
in Arizona up to fifteen weeks of pregnancy under a

(03:24):
twenty twenty two law signed by then Governor Doug Doucy.
And older court decision blocked the eighteen sixty four law
shortly after the US Supreme Court issued in nineteen seventy
three roev. Wade decision guaranteeing a constitutional right to an abortion.
But when roev Wade was overturned in June twenty twenty two,
then State Attorney General Mark Bernovich, a Republican, persuaded a

(03:46):
state judge in Tucson to lift the block on the eighteen.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Sixty four law.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
In March, a report revealed the number of abortions in
the United States has gone up significantly since the overturning
of Roe v. Wade in twenty twenty two. According to
at A Gunmoker Institute, an organization that aims to improve
sexual health and expand reproductive rights worldwide, there were more
than one million abortions in twenty twenty three, a ten
percent increase from twenty twenty. Doctor Gabrielle Goodrick, the owner

(04:16):
and medical director of Camelback Family Planning, is joining now
from Phoenix, Arizona, to discuss Doctor Goodrich, thank you so
much for.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Joining us tonight.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It seems that across this country people talk about every
single day that the issue of abortion is going to
just really change a field. Republicans need to be on notice,
but they continually keep implementing these types of policies nationwide
as if they don't really care. Can you talk about
the impact on this ruling in Arizona as well as
potential implications for the country.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
It's devastating.

Speaker 8 (04:54):
I think that it's basically as it's happening all of
the country. Republicans are passing these laws. Legislatures and judges
are passing laws that are one hundred and fifty year old,
laws that are racist, sexist classes. They're horrible, and this

(05:16):
is going to affect Arizona people tremendously, obviously, banning a
very common medical procedure that people need.

Speaker 7 (05:26):
It's devastating.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
And one of the questions that I have is when
we talk about fourteen days until this goes into effect,
everybody's talking about ballot initiatives and possibly this going down,
you know what could possibly change in November. But this
is something that's going to have real life consequences in
the lives of women, not.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Fourteen days from now.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Women have to start making preparations now to see what's
possible if they have the means to even make some
type of change.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Can you speak to that.

Speaker 7 (05:52):
Well?

Speaker 8 (05:53):
I think that obviously this again will be devastating. And
with our referendum that's going to be on the ballot November,
that's going to be great. We know it's going to win.
When the public votes, they vote in favor of reproductive
choice and reproductive freedom and personal liberty and putting decision
making into patients and their family's hands and so. But

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this will affect people immediately if the van does kick
in quickly, and that's going to cause incredible harm to
Arizona families and affect them immediately.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
And the work that you're doing with Camelback Family Planning,
What is the reaction from your staff, from members that
you serve who are just getting this news, what is
their reaction.

Speaker 8 (06:42):
Devastation? I mean, I just had a patient call. She's
abortion legal in Arizona and we're going to be getting
more and more calls about that, with people stressing about
the appointments that they have, possibly finding out there they
have an unplanned pregnancy, not sure what to do.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's going to cause all kinds.

Speaker 8 (06:59):
Of confusion, not only for patients, but you know, my
staff is obviously stressed and worried about the effects that's
going to have on our patients and other doctors and
decisions they're going to be making concerning you know, maternal health,
fetal abnormalities, all kinds of complications in pregnancy that can
affect people that now are not going to have the

(07:22):
options in our state for their health.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
And from what we see looking in into Arizona, is
it really just set in stone that in fourteen days,
there's nothing that can happen in any way, shape or
form that's going to stop these policies from going into effect.
And so right now, people who are involved in Arizona
right now are just basically hunkering down to deal with
this this ridiculous decision.

Speaker 8 (07:48):
Well, I have heard from multiple sources that there might
be some kind of forty five day stay that would
then be added to the fourteen days or something like that,
so we might have a total of eight weeks before
this law kicks in, but I'm not really sure at
this point, and then there could be a fight at

(08:08):
the judicial level to try to figure out how we
can fight this. The legislature is also has the power
to not enforce this law, so we're going to have
to wait and see. I mean, obviously, I'm hopeful that
this would never happen in Arizona, and you know, that's
all I can say is I'm just hopeful that, you know,

(08:32):
logic will prevail and current medical practice in the year
twenty twenty four will prevail over a draconian law from
eighteen sixty four.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I mean, a law that was created before Arizona was
even a state. I mean, in so many of these instances,
we're going back to the eighteen hundreds to kind of
show how quote unquote progressive, which I always say regressive
these Republicans are. And lastly, what can we do across
this country if we want to support what your organization
is doing over people on the ground and Arizona is doing,

(09:06):
to continue to call attention to these traveses that are
taking place.

Speaker 8 (09:12):
Honestly, I think that all we can do is try
to vote these people out of office, and so getting
out to vote, voting on referendums, voting on pro choice
candidates is what we can do. In terms of support,
there are funds to help people travel to get the
care that they.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Need out of state. There's also you know, national funds.

Speaker 8 (09:35):
I mean, I think donating to those would help women
and people that can get pregnant access.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
The care that they need if they have to go
out of states.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's really powerful and I want to bring on my
panel because they also have some very important questions for you.
Our panel tonight we have doctor Mustafa Santiago, former Senior
Advisor for the Environmental Justice EPA, Washington, DC, Doctor Larry
Jay Walk, Assistant professor, University of Central Florida in Orlando,
and doctor Julian Malveaul, former president of Benett College, economist

(10:07):
and author. Doctor Malveaul, let's start review. What is your
question for doctor Goodrick.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
Doc, First of all, thank you for basically holding the line,
holding the ford and having your center that is providing services.
Are there. There's a fourteenth state They fourteen day delay
and then there is possible forty five day delay. But
what's the possibility of just repealing this eighteen sixty for law.

(10:35):
I mean this law as a congressateds before Arizona was
a state.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Why has that a law not been repealed? And can
it be repealed?

Speaker 8 (10:46):
Yeah, it's hard for me to say why that hasn't
been repealed. It should have been, but again, we had
the protections of ro V. Wade, so I think that
it just stayed on the books. And unfortunately, you know,
with the extremist we have in our government, they're trying
to enforce this traconian law and that the legislature does.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
Have the power to.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I guess make this you know, not the law, but
I just don't know at this point.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Doctor Walker.

Speaker 10 (11:19):
Yes, I think my question in particular relates to, you know,
you describe how this is going to impact, you know,
women and families of very Famiria's background. Specifically, I like
to talk about women in the state in Arizona for
minoritized backgrounds and also who come from underserved backgrounds, and
can you elaborate a little bit more about how this

(11:40):
is going to impact women who come from communities that
disproportionately haven't been invested in and don't have access to
a variety of resources, how it would impact this decision
to impact them.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
Absolutely. This obviously affects you know, people from you know,
black and brown, rural, young poor most and they are
just enfranchised in general from the medical community and getting
medical care, and they are going to have the hardest
time accessing the reproductive care that they need and going

(12:13):
out of state. People of means will always have the
ability to get abortions and travel and have the financial
means to do that. And these laws all around the
country target our most marginalized communities and communities that already
have an extremely difficult time getting the medical care that

(12:34):
they need. So absolutely right, this is what these laws are.
That's who's going to they're going to affect the.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Most, doctor, Ailie your question.

Speaker 11 (12:44):
Yes, well, doctor, thank you for everything that you're doing,
you know, and trying to frame this question for you. One,
there is black maternal health. There's also Indigenous maternal health,
and we know they're in your state, that you have
populations that are part of both of those sets of groups.

Speaker 12 (13:01):
But there is also the fact that we have had
white men who have been making.

Speaker 11 (13:07):
Laws for hundreds of years now and that they have
not particularly cared about either.

Speaker 12 (13:13):
One of those sets of communities.

Speaker 11 (13:15):
How do we help people to understand that when we
talk about body autonomy, that this issue is particularly focused
in that area of the decisions others have made for
both Black women and Indigenous women and Latin women as well.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
Absolutely, their reproductive justice movement is obviously focusing on these
populations being heard and that their reproductive rights have been
trampled on for hundreds of years and they are affected
the most by these laws, and people must understand that

(13:52):
these laws and regulations are they affect those people. They
have a higher incidence of unplanned pregnancies, Maternal and infant
mortality is much higher in Black communities, Indigenous communities, and
the Latin community. So I don't know how we can

(14:13):
get people to understand that, but it is so crucial
to the movement at this point that we make sure
that people do understand that.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Doctor Gudric, thank you so much for what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
We're going to continue to follow this story and we
appreciate all the time that you've given us tonight as
we continue to fight for this really important issue.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Thank you, Thank you so much.

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Florida man paralyzed by cop and charge family. A Florida
mom's plea for help ended up with her son paralyzed
after being shot by Miami Me please. After Donald Armstrong's arraignment,
civil rights attorney Ben Crump briefly described what happened.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
On March seventh.

Speaker 16 (17:09):
Miss Denise called for help for her son, who she
feared was having a mental health crisis.

Speaker 12 (17:20):
She only wanted to give him help.

Speaker 16 (17:22):
She did not expect for him to get six bullets
in his Torso why is it when black people having
a mental health crisis and all they need is a
help in hand from law enforcement, they get force, excessive force,
six bullets. You look at the video for yourself and

(17:47):
you decide for yourself whether this was justifiable or not
if you wanted to show them what not to do
when trying to deal with a mental health crisp. But
yet to cover it up, they are now charging him
with a crime while he's with a comossmity bag, unable

(18:11):
to walk, hand coughing to the hospital bed. Right, riffend
smell the whole time with going outside the door. I mean,
you paralyze me. What's the flight brisk and you shoot me?
You paralyze me, then your haircut me to a bed.
I mean its insult on top of injury. And that's

(18:33):
why we're demanding that these charges be dropped.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Now we have the video and onlooker shot during the incident.
What you are about to see is disturbing and triggering.
Now is the time to look away or walk out
of the room.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
No, no, love you. We'll shut them dead. Let's get

(19:26):
them in. Oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Armstrong was arraigned on aggravated assault on a law enforcement
officer and resisting arrest without violence charges. Going back to
our panel, doctor Walker, we it's like every day and
it seems exact. It doesn't matter whether it's body can,
whether it's onlook or video. In some way, shape or form,

(20:04):
these stories are continually brought to us in America, and
it seems like the burden to kind of prove our
innocence is continually placed on us.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
How do you process what you just saw?

Speaker 10 (20:16):
There's no way to process this is like, this is
racial trauma and once it makes it more subturbian for
me is I live in the state and these incidences
are all too real. And you know, it's interesting when
you have conversations with colleagues and events like this happen,
they think that somehow you're not you're disconnected, that this
is doesn't impact you. But you know, not only you

(20:37):
know me, but as a as a father, and you
know it's this is unfortunately part of our you know,
history in America in terms of you know, when law enforcement,
you know officers, and it's not about just about training,
it's about we got to we gotta really honest conversation
about racial bias. And when people see, you know, black
women and black men, that they automatically think that they're

(21:00):
own attentions. This brother was had a mental health crisis
as family called for help and they nearly killed him.
And as you mentioned earlier, he's in a hospital and
he's been shackled to a bed and he's paralyzed. And
this is how black people in this country are dehumanized.
And somehow he's treated as some kind of superman who
has the ability to heal himself and walk out of

(21:22):
that hotel room, I mean, excuse me, at of a hospital.
And once again, this is just another example of this
poor training, but part of this deep seated issue of
structural racism in the United States, and particularly as it
relates to, you know, the disproportionate rate in which black
folks are killed by law enforcement nationally, and this has
happened for years.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I hear you, And doctor A Lee, you know, we
talked so much about people who want to talk about
defunding the police, and so many of us who were
part of that conversation, it was never about for many
of us taking all money from the departments. It wasn't
about defunding the police. It was about pre funding the
community so that we can have the type of assistance
needed when families are having crises like this. It shouldn't

(22:06):
lead to us dying, us being put in situations where
we're almost paralyzed and maybe will not walk again. Can
you talk about how you see this from the perspective
of the needs of the community that could help us
prevent situations like this from happening, including funding needed for
a proper officer training or other professionals who can help
intervene in situations like this.

Speaker 11 (22:28):
Yes, thank you for that, and thank you for framing
it in that direction, because people often think when we
were talking about redistribution of funds that we were automatically
talking about just getting rid of police, and that wasn't it.
It was about making sure that we are directing resources
to the solutions that we know actually work, and making
sure that communities also have the resources they need to

(22:50):
better be able to frame out what law enforcement looks
like inside of their respective communities. When we talk about
protect and serve, that means the deserve aspect means that
you are listening to the individuals who are inside of
their communities. Let's also put this into context for folks.
Over one hundred people are killed by police every month.

(23:12):
I did not say got shot by police. A hundred
people are killed every month by police. In our country.
So that tells you that we have something that's not
working when the lives are being lost. And then when
we unpack that, we know disproportionately that it is black
folks and sometimes brown folks and indigenous folks who are
the ones who are losing their lives prematurely. We also

(23:34):
know that there are solutions that folks have been able
to implement that actually work. So in certain cities they
are making sure that there are mental health practitioners who
are showing up to these types of incidents, and the
police can be there also, but the mental health individuals,
those practitioners are the ones who get to take the lead.
They're the ones who helped to de escalate the situation.

(23:55):
They're the ones that help folks to understand what the
individual may.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
Be going through.

Speaker 11 (24:00):
And so if we're serious about helping individuals when we
say protect and serve, and we're serious about that, then
that means that we have to begin to bring into
the sets of options, having one of the first ones
being having those mental health practitioners making the first sets
of sets of actions to be able to help people

(24:21):
to bring things down, to de escalate the situation. But
if we're not serious about that, then what we will
continue to see our black bodies piling up in communities
across our country.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Oh, no doubt, no doubt in doctor Malva, I know
that there's a visceral reaction to what we're seeing. But
in your current research you're talking about the history of
lynching in this country can connect the dots from it.
For us in terms of what we're seeing, it's not new, you.

Speaker 9 (24:50):
Know, Oma Congo, It's stunt new at all. And when
you ask our brother how he processed it, I literally
had a visceral I started shaking when I watched the
band being shot so many times. I literally my body
has started shaking. I said to myself, don't let him
come to me first, because I might start crying. Richard Wright,

(25:15):
who wrote Black Boy, said in nineteen thirty something, he said,
if there is a lynching in Mississippi, I can feel
it in Chicago. What that means is that all of
us who are of African descent and who watched that,
we've been traumatized. It happened, it didn't happen today. But

(25:39):
this lynching culture says that white people can do whatever
they want to to black people, whatever they want and
experience no consequences. And that's what lynching was about. It
was about intimidation, it was about fear.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
If I could just say.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
One thing to black mothers, fathers, don't call the police
on your child that they're having a mental health crisis.
Call somebody else. And that's why Musafa's point is so important.
There needs to be everybody is going through mental health
crisis in these United States these days. We keep hearing
about it when white folks gonna shoot some up. Oh,
they were having a mental health crisis. When black folks

(26:17):
act out, they get shot wife mental health crisis. So
why don't we have emergency mental health teams to as
opposed to calling the police who are coming with guns
and tasers and all that stuff, why not have people
who come with the skill set to talk people down,
to deal with them, perhaps to medicate them if that's necessary,

(26:37):
but not to kill them. That woman did not intend
for her son to be shot, shackled, shackled to a
hospital bed as if he's going to get up from
the bed and walk away. It's so humiliating, but it
is a part that thank you for the question, because
you know it gets me going thinking but it's part

(26:58):
of the continuum of lynching culture, which started in enslavement
but peeped in the early twentieth century, where white folks
could not stand for black folks to be self actualized.
When we had property, we were lynched. We opened stores
that competed with them, we were lynched. When there's one

(27:20):
lynching on a cong guard, I think I told you
about it before, about this brother was walking down the street,
white women bathing in the window. That why is the
heifa bathed in the window? I mean really, and he
was lynched for looking in the window. Well, he wasn't
looking in the window. He walked by, he was walking
by down the street.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
They lynched it.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
I remember that story.

Speaker 7 (27:40):
Yeah, you know, so they would lynch us for anything.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
They lynched another brother who random white woman asked him
to run an error that he said no. They had
no relationship. She didn't worked for her, but he said no,
and so they lynched it. And so lynching culture says
is a reinforcement of the myth of white supremacy.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
And that there that you showed us.

Speaker 9 (28:06):
I mean, I'm still a little emotional because it was
just too much. It was way too much. But it's
always too much. And they got away with it being
too much because we have been consistently dehumanized. So when
people get a little ansiy about defund the police, how
about fire them all and start over, Just start over,
because many of them just believe they get to do

(28:27):
this stuff.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
So we talked about defund the police. Hi are some
social workers who.

Speaker 9 (28:31):
Can come out and do some of this stuff. And
if you have to fire a cop to get a
social worker? Oh well, I mean this As I said,
I'm still sitting here somewhat trembling and thinking of what
Richard writes said. When we have a lynching in Mississippi,
we can fill it in Chicago. Every black person who
just saw that felt some kind of way, felt some

(28:52):
kind of way.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Absolutely, how could we not?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
And that's the point, right, And the point also is
just to get more people across the country to feel
what we feel. It won't happen until we keep speaking up.
So I thank you all for your comments on that
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A former Michigan officer who assaulted a black man, pleaded
guilty to a federal civil rights violation. Matthew Rodriguez confessed
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twenty three. Rodriguez also admitted to making false statements about
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on this because when I see this, we're talking about
these stories back to back, and it seems like we
get it coming and going, we get it off the streets,
we get it in their prisons. It doesn't seem to
really matter. The question I have for you, I want
to kind of get your thoughts on it as it
relates to the twenty twenty four election, because the fact

(31:42):
of the matter is we talk about the George for
Floyd Police Reform Bill, and there are many provisions in
there that are designed to help the community from mental
health perspective as it relates to punicsing officers who are
wrongdoing and the like. But we're in this conversation about, Oh,
I don't even know if I'm going to vote because
Biden doesn't care about policing. But we're seeing back to
back two real stories that are showing what's happening in

(32:05):
our communities. What are your thoughts as it relates to
what you're seeing and the potential implications of what we're
going into in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
And that's a name.

Speaker 12 (32:14):
Yeah, No, that's an excellent question.

Speaker 11 (32:16):
You know, what we see is continually the dehumanization of
black folks, and because they have been able to systemically
actually put these sets of actions in place, then we
have to figure out how do we rehumanize ourselves in
relationship to these systems that are there. So, you know,
the voting is incredibly important and being able to make

(32:37):
sure that one we have the sheriffs that we can
often elect. So people will say, well, I don't want
to vote for a president. Well, I often say, so,
what's going on on the local level and the county
level that you want to see change? We also know,
whether it's district attorneys or a number of these other
judges that are a part of the legal system, that
it's all tied to our vote. So if we want

(32:58):
to holistically change these dynamics that are going on, one
aspect of that, of course, is voting. The other part
of it is also in how and where we move
our dollars. So we have a lot of power that's
in you know, literally within our hands, within our ballot
if we will, But we have to make the decision
that we're actually going to utilize. My grandmother says, you

(33:20):
have power unless you give it away. So we give
away our power and relationship to the sets of choices
we make now. Of course, when that officer did what
he did, you know, that is in itself another set
of actions that need to take place.

Speaker 12 (33:35):
But we do have power to be able to make
some changes happen.

Speaker 11 (33:37):
And it's tied to this election and future sets of elections,
because it's never about, you know, just one election.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Absolutely, and doctor Malvaul recently, we saw it at a
rally that Trump had where there were officers who were
out there who are endorsing Trump. This is a man
to say, you know, he wants to be a dictator again.
He basically wants to have his own police and military force.
How can we watch videos that we just watching the
last segment, Watch what we just watching this segment, and

(34:05):
then we're looking at a presidential candidate who wants to have,
who has officers who are supposed to be serving and
protect who are supposed to be judicious, who are supposed
to represent and help the entire community up there backing
somebody who clearly says he doesn't care about our own rights.
What types of confidence is that supposed to instill in
us in the police, especially in places like Michigan. Michigan

(34:27):
is run by all Democrats, Yet we see situations like
these still happening, you know.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
On the CONGO.

Speaker 9 (34:34):
One of the things I don't understand how any black
person with good sense can choose to vote for Orange Man,
especially after looking at that video. But not only that video.
Biden isn't perfect. We all know that Biden is are perfect.
No political candidate, no president, is perfect. We don't get
what we want from any of them. You know, I

(34:56):
wrote a book about President Obama.

Speaker 7 (34:58):
Are we better off?

Speaker 9 (35:00):
Because I say, I concluded that we in many ways
we're not. So we're not going to get everything we
want from any president. But just looking at police violence
toward black people, you won't get a Christen Clark as
an assistant Attorney General who is going for civil rights,
who's going after these cases from a federal present.

Speaker 7 (35:19):
You won't get that.

Speaker 9 (35:20):
And so if you really think that going with that
man is going to improve your life, think again, take
another think.

Speaker 7 (35:31):
And so to your question, I don't understand.

Speaker 9 (35:34):
I mean, I have a sibling who actually voted for
the Orange Man in sixteen, which resulted in a fist fight,
but he didn't vote for him in twenty and praise
the Lord. But a black man, of course, who basically
breaks down for me what Black men like about the

(35:55):
Orange Man. They like his entrepreneurship because they haven't read
the walls journal understand that he really is not a
successful entrepreneur, you know. They think he's rich and he
will be a lot less rich in a few minutes
when he has to pay all that money. And many
of them, who are basically patriarchal, also like his sexism,

(36:17):
and they do it. Let's be clear, we have patriarchal
issues in the African American community that we need to address.
But in any case, I still don't understand these polls
that say sixteen eighteen, twenty percent of Black men and
black women are willing to vote for that man.

Speaker 7 (36:35):
We know that Biden is flawed, but he is perfectly flawed.

Speaker 9 (36:39):
He's on our side. He just got another He's just
forgiving more student own debt. He's looking more at what
our HBCUs can do. So I don't get the polling.
I don't get the situation. But what I do get
is that this police issue.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
The man who.

Speaker 9 (36:57):
Basically assaulted this young brother by his last day and
by his look's Latino. So and I could be wrong.
Anybody could be Martinez or whatever. But I'm just saying
and I'm saying it because we have to look from
an ethnicity perspective at that black round tension and the
way that racism is baked into the cake we call America,

(37:19):
so that anybody who takes a slice of that cake,
be they black, brown, white, they might behave the way
that man did no provocation. I just got a brother here,
so I think I'm just gonna whip his butt, And
again that's lynching culture.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I hear you and doctor Walker. I'm finding myself as
I'm meeting the story. Mister Matthew Roger, guess he's confessed
to using unreasonable force while processing a brother he was
in the fingerprinting room.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
We're not talking like on the streets.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
We're not talking like you know, in the club at
a game, like you already got the brother, right, So
it's like, how do you use un it before us
within a finger printing room? And it kind of speaks
to what we were talking about earlier. But the question
becomes is it the need for more training or do
they have the training but they just don't feel like

(38:13):
their training applies to us.

Speaker 10 (38:16):
Yeah, I think I made the point in the last
you know, discussion that this is beyond training and doctor
move now values the word baked in and I think
when we talk about things big, then we talk about
anti blackness. And so, you know it, she made the
really to point about, you know, ethnicity, and so we
have to talk about anti blackness in communities of other
other communities from people minoritized backgrounds and how they adopt

(38:39):
you know these you know, these beliefs, anti black beliefs
that lead to violence against people who who were dealing
with the same chine of challenges. And you're right, Doc,
I mean, listen, this brother was already being process but
once again, this is this is this is this is
history of violence that we've been talking about the last
two episodes that is ongoing and the United States for

(39:01):
hundreds of the years. And then so you have other
groups of different minoritized backgrounds who eventually immigrate here in
the United States and then they adopt those same mentality
and so they view black people as less than right.
So we've been talking a lot about you know, black
folks being dehumanized. I want to make another important point
that doctor Marvel made is we need to give a
shout out to Christian Clark because she has been consistent.

(39:21):
We have our issues Regardland Regarland, but she's she's been
very consistent in terms of prosecuting individuals who have not
been walking the timeline. And so we have to acknowledge
that the Office of Civil Rights has done an our
standing job prosecuting correction officers, police officers, and other individuals
who continue to you know, disenfranchise those some minoritized backgrounds,

(39:46):
particularly black folks. But once again, this is part of
an ongoing pattern in the United States history of dehumanizing
and then using you know, those beliefs to purposely commit
violence against black folks. And this is why not only
voting is really important. This also acknowledged that you can't
expect things to happen in two to four years. We

(40:08):
have to remember that Jim Crow just ended in nineteen
sixty eight, where the passes the Fair Housing Act. So
we have to keep in mind that those great society
programs in the nineteen sixties happened within a lifetime many
of our family and friends. So we need to put
things in context. We have a conversation about how we
believe things should improve. It takes sustain voting and pressure

(40:29):
to make sure the black folks are seen as human
and receive the rights we do we deserve under the
US Constitution.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Absolutely, and I'm so glad that this idea and this
concept about the colorism and the interracial issues that we
may have within our own community. We see in places
like Los Angeles with the city council there where we
have issues of you know, brown versus black, and people
talk about where it's supposed to be in solidarity. But
as we're seeing here and even in situations with people
from our own community, it doesn't matter. And so many

(40:57):
instances we find on a regular basis that it's still
black versus blue, no matter the ethnicity of the officer
of the uniform that that they're wearing.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
And so we have to continue to keep an eye
on this.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
The sentencing will be coming up sometime in August, and
so he faces possibly ten years, and we're going to
keep an eye on that to see what's happening. We're
going to take it to a break right now. Roland
Martin Unfiltered. We'll be right back right here on the
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While President Joe Biden may not end up on Ohio's ballot,
a New York based campaign official for Robert F. Kennedy
Junior says the point of a third party candidate like
Kennedy is to help Donald Trump defeat Joe Biden. Listen
to what Rita Palmer, who has identified herself as the
Kennedy campaign state director in New York, had to say.

Speaker 19 (43:37):
So right now the way that I see it, and
you know, things I guess will change over time because
you do have to only pick one candidate at the
end of the day. But the Kennedy voter and the
Trump voter the enemy. Our mutual enemy is Biden. Whether
you support Bobby or Trump, we all oppose Biden. Two
seventy wins the election. If you don't get to two seventy,

(44:00):
if nobody gets to sue seventy, then Congress picks the president.
Right right now, we have a majority of Republicans in Congress,
So who are they going to pick?

Speaker 7 (44:10):
Who are they going to pick.

Speaker 19 (44:11):
If it's a Republican Congress, they'll pick Drup, so we're
rid of Biden either way. People kept continually telling me, Wow,
that's a really good idea.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
That's a really good idea.

Speaker 19 (44:20):
So, you know, I'm kind of mulling it around.

Speaker 7 (44:22):
What should I do with this?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
What should I do with this?

Speaker 19 (44:24):
And that I got a call from the campaign and
you know, they were going to hire me as their
New York State director, and I said, Okay, I want
to take the job, but I'm going to tell you
right now that this is part of my messaging and
if I'm allowed to preach that, if I'm allowed to,
you know, get that message out there, then yeah, I
will definitely work with campaign. But I don't want to

(44:45):
be restricted in what I say because I think this
is a really winning strategy.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
And my boss said, well, okay.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
In a statement to CNN, Kennedy campaign spokesperson Stephanie Spear
downplayed Palma's and said her comments do not reflect the
campaign's strategy. Doctor Malfo, it seems like every week with
this campaign, there's a new statement that comes out. They're
backtracking on things that their own people said, and it
just seems like every single day. They're not ready for

(45:16):
prime time, but they can still be very dangerous.

Speaker 9 (45:20):
Well, they are very dangerous and they're not ready for primetime.
They're hilarious, frankly with some of the things that come
down of their mouth. But our Junior was hilarious when
he had a CNN interview with I believe was Kaitlin
Collins one of them.

Speaker 7 (45:34):
And you know, he's very unfocused.

Speaker 9 (45:39):
He doesn't know why he's in the race. He doesn't
have positions, but he's anti vax. I think he hurts
both Biden and Trump, but I think that the damage
may be more to Biden than to Trump.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
But I'm not sure, because you know what, he sounds
like Trump. He actually really sounds like Trump.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
And so the Republicans who do not like Trump's extremism, idiocy, gaffs,
ninety one indictments, they fight choose Kennedy as a more
reasonable alternative, which then, of course would help Biden.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
It's early on.

Speaker 9 (46:24):
It's very early on in terms of how many states
does Kennedy has he qualified for?

Speaker 7 (46:31):
Does he have operations in every state?

Speaker 9 (46:34):
Are we going to need to get the Kennedy family
out of the stump to say that boy a fool.

Speaker 7 (46:39):
He was a fool when he was bored. He was
dropped on his head out there.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
They've been out there supporting Biden and condemning their family members.

Speaker 9 (46:47):
But I need them to say he crazy. I'll need
them to say they support Biden. I'll just say, look
back in the day, he ate some crayons or something
and affected his brain, and I saw him eat the crayons.
I'm for to say that he a well. I mean,
we need one of them to say that this boy
a well. He had more money than since the family.

(47:08):
We may need to deputize the family. But this whole
thing is great, Craig. But as I said.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
Earlier, he sounds more like Trump than like Biden.

Speaker 9 (47:18):
So my hope is that if he does say of
many ballants, that he splits up the Trump vote as
opposed to hurting President Biden and doctor Walker.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
One of the concerns that I'm having with this and
what doctor Marvou is saying it's just so spot on,
is that I'm thinking back to Trump twenty sixteen and
how people didn't take him seriously a little bit of
a joke. You know, Hillary got this, and you people
kind of step back I feel like as he's getting
more and more attention, people are kind of looking at
the campaign as being disheveled and disarray and the like.

(47:50):
But there are people who do support him, and then
when you add another potential third crop party candidates, he
can do enough to affect Biden's chances. And my concern
is that people are just looking at these particular situations
as one offs, and even though like every week there's
a one off, right, and they're not taking it seriously
in terms of whatever state he can get on. I mean,

(48:12):
I opened up this segment by talking about how Biden
may not be on the ballot in Ohio with the
Republican Shenanigans that are going on. So even though we
think this man is not serious, he can still be
very dangerous for the campaign of Joe Biden.

Speaker 10 (48:25):
Right, Yeah, I think anytime rich white men from backgrounds
back crew with family backgrounds, like you know, Kennedy and Trump,
I think they shared a lot of commonalities, you know,
like I said, coming from you know, you know, full
and backgrounds.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Obviously the Kennedy name is obviously.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
A lot different.

Speaker 10 (48:44):
But also I think that you know, I'm overall in
my opinion, I think Kennedy hurts Trump. And I think
even there was a few weeks ago there was a
poll that showed that listen, they're policies, they're both would
attract individuals who are conspiracy theories, theorious, you know, like
you know, doctor Malveaux said, you know, talking about being
anti vaxx. I mean, think about all the really crazy

(49:06):
conspiracy theories that Trump supporters believe in. Obviously that the
election was stolen, that there's some kind of that the
Biden dojs after Donald Trump. I could just go on
and on and on. There are new conspiracy theories on
a weekly basis. So I guess said, I think Kennedy
hurts Trump more than he hurts Biden. But I think
also this highlights we're having this conversation about about you know,

(49:29):
these two particular white males. That shows how whiteness works
in America because in any confident democracy, neither one of them,
a one individual would have never won a presidency and
d be a candidate. And then secondly, you know, Kennedy,
he's just holding on to he's barely holding on to
the Kennedy name. As we highlighted, we've seen the news
over the really the last several months, he's had family

(49:51):
members that come out and very clearly say that he's
they don't support him. He should not be president of
the United States. But as doctor Malvo said, you sometimes
we need to go a little further and just he's
crazy because he has been an anti vaxxer for years,
and you would think, considering how many lives you lost
during the COVID nineteen pandemic and continue to lose, that
he would change his position, but he hasn't. So now

(50:12):
that he's not just an anti vaxer, he's really you know,
anti health care and really anti you know in terms
of you know, mortality for lower mortality rates. So he's
a he's dangerous for a number of those reasons. And
once again he's basically just surfing on his last name.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I know absolutely, And doctor r. Lee, one of the
parts that the woman said that Palmer said that was
kind of scary was that part of basically, hey, if
we break this stuff down, it gets kicked back to Congress,
they select Trump. So it's almost as if they have
a game planned doctor Ali and it seems like, again
this is a situation where we have Republicans or people

(50:53):
who might be supporting you know, a Robert An RFK.
You know Junior playing playing chess while many of us
are playing checkers. Because at the end of the day,
she made it clear, it's not about getting enough votes
to send him to the office. It's about being able
to cause just enough dissension that Trump will end up
being the president one way or the other if it

(51:15):
gets sent to Congress to have to decide for the
United States.

Speaker 11 (51:19):
Yeah, and doctor Melviowe and doctor Walker, you know, they
broke it down and they explained all these critical elements
that are so important. So we often on this network
talk about helping people understand the game.

Speaker 12 (51:32):
This is a game.

Speaker 11 (51:34):
There is a strategy that is in place to find
avenues and ways for Trump to become president again.

Speaker 12 (51:43):
So if you're not being honest about that.

Speaker 11 (51:46):
Then you're missing the bigger point of what these conversations
and these educational lessons are all about. This election is
about percentages and the small percentages in a number of
states that will determine who will be the next president.
So an understanding that then you unpack the fact of

(52:06):
who is actually helping to fund the respective set of
candidates that are out there right now and when you
take a look at this individual, you will find it
there are a number of Republicans, both big money donors
and others, who are supporting his candidacy, not because they
believe that he can win, but because.

Speaker 12 (52:26):
They are playing the margins.

Speaker 11 (52:27):
They understand that if they can get a few thousand
votes here at a few thousand votes there, then they
can make sure that Biden doesn't.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Have what he needs.

Speaker 11 (52:38):
Now, with all that being said, I never tell anybody
who to vote for, but I do tell folks that
take a look at a particular candidate and ask yourself,
are they planning on doing anything?

Speaker 12 (52:49):
Have you heard anything of substance?

Speaker 11 (52:50):
And does their track record show that they care about
black people and black communities? And if you actually take
the time to do a little bit of research, it's
pretty clear about the individuals who don't have any significant
sets of actions and helping our communities and honoring our
communities and trying to uplift our communities, and the others

(53:12):
who do. Now, even though the others who do still
have their flaws, you, being an intelligent, thinking individual, should
make sure that you are voting for someone who's actually
going to help us move the needle in our communities
as we are also doing the work ourselves.

Speaker 12 (53:29):
That's what the game is all about.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
You're absolutely right, Doctor Olima.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
When it comes to these candidates, it's not about comparing candidates,
one candidate to the almighty, it's about comparing them to
the alternative. And if we're really talking about a black
agenda and something that we really need to put together
for our community, all of the information is there, the
who's building the bridges, who's building your roles, who's working
on police reform, who's working on HBCUs and medicine and

(53:56):
all of these different issues if we care to look.
And so I think it's really really important that going
forward we do a better job in our community of
calling these people out, not looking at all of these
individuals as gimmicks because there and we can go back
to people like Jill Stein or we still don't know
if what's gonna happen with doctor Cornell West. You know,
little things here and there can really sway this selection

(54:17):
in a way that's really going to set Black people
further back. And like you said, Doc Darley, even if
you don't tell people who to vote for, when you
look and dig down into what's actually happening and look
into the research. The answers should be obvious. The question
is are we willing to do the work and the
research to find out and stop playing checkers while these
Republicans and whatever RFK is running as they're out the

(54:39):
playing chess because they got a larger mission as well,
and we got to be mindful of that. So you're
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Speaker 2 (58:04):
And so we are seeing once again when we talk
about these particular situations where we're talking about corruption or
they're talking about people not dotting i's or crossing teas.
Every single day we're seeing to have these investigations and
Mayor Lightfoot is in the spotlight again looking at this
particular situation, Doctor Walker. When you're looking at a situation
like this, how do you envision this going?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
How do you envision you know.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Is this going to be a situation where people going
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How do you see this playing out?

Speaker 10 (58:40):
So I would say, first, I'm not sure if life
Foot is the best best person to come in, and
consider she was one term and all these issues see
during during her tenure. Is there's that. Secondly, listen, you know,
you know, we get these conversations in the black community
about you know, how who can hold individuals accountable? And

(59:01):
so I was coincidentally when Roland had Mayor handried on.
I I was on that night and had a chance
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Some of her responses were interesting, and I would I
would say, not not complete. So maybe you know, from

(59:22):
a mayor lifefoot, we'll get to the bottom of some
of these challenges, some of these issues accusations, but in
some of them, like I said, are troubling in terms
of mismanagement, bullying, etcetera. And she and like I said,
Roland had her on and she she you know, she
offered a bit of a counter to some of those allegations.
But you know, once again, this is you know, regardless

(59:42):
of you, of your black, white, et cetera, you have
to be transparent. You have to be a strong leader
that people have faith in. You highlighted her feeling the
first black woman ever elected, you know, to this office.
In fact, she helped chose two offices, that she said
when she was on Roland several weeks ago. But once again,
you know, public trust and the well being of your

(01:00:02):
fellow man is something that you know, you take an
oath as a public servant. And so I'll be interesting
to see what happens when this final report comes out.
But like I said, choosing mayor life with it is
a choice, I guess, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Doc Doctor r Lee, when you look at this, especially
when we talk about the election and across the country
where people are there seems to always be a stronger
eye that's put on black politicians. And to be quite honest,
even when we take it outside of politics, people want
to relate anything that a black person may do that's wrong,
and in many instances, even right some type of DEI conversation,

(01:00:38):
I can even hear those types of rumbling is coming
out as it relates to this is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
What happens when you have black mayors.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I mean, what do you think about the overall spectacle
of this investigation as we look at this particular issue,
not only in this particular context as I relate to Dalton,
but in a larger context of how black politicians are
viewed in general.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
Well, I always tell people, don't play with me, because
I can give you a laundry list white politicians over
the years, mayors, county commissioners, and others who have not
utilized the public's trust or resources in a positive way.
So we got to always be prepared to make sure
that we tell the fullness of the story. Now, with

(01:01:16):
that being said, you have a responsibility to actually use
public funds in the ways that the citizens that you
are representing are asking for. You have a responsibility for transparency.
You have a responsibility for accountability as well, so you
know someone taking a look at if that has happened.

(01:01:37):
It is just good governance and we should make sure
that that is always taking place, no matter whom is
the individual who's running a city or a parish or
whatever the situation might be. But we also have to
call out the fact that there is always a brighter spotlight.
When I worked on Capitol Hill, I saw white congressmen

(01:01:58):
who got themselves in the trouble, and unfortunately, I saw
one of our own who did, and I saw that
the media just kept circling like buzzards around the person
who represented our folks. So we've got to also be
very mindful that there is still this disparity in how
stories are covered and whom the spotlight is placed on.

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But that also means that as our parents always told
us that we had to be twice as good, so
that means if we hold elected office, we have to
be twice as good.

Speaker 12 (01:02:29):
But we also have to be.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
Twice as good in making sure that if someone is
coming for our folks and they're doing it in an
illegitimate way, that we have places like this network to
make sure that we are sharing the truth in an
unbiased way, but in a way that helps to educate
folks on what the situation might be and also highlighting
folks who are doing the work correctly. Because we have

(01:02:51):
a number of black politicians from all levels, from local
all the way up to the highest levels in our
government who are actually doing the job the right way.
And they should be getting applause, they should be getting flowers,
and if we don't do that, then we're not making
sure that folks are honoring the excellence that exist inside
of our communities.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I hear you and doctor Malvaul, what type of advice
do you have for how do you feel mayor mayor
Henricksheer handle this. Do you feel like getting out in
front of it, doing the media interviews is the best
way to go? Is it about being low key let
the investigation play itself out. We see so many times
throughout history that sometimes when people are under investigation, and
I'm not saying this is the case of her, but

(01:03:35):
if they know that they are doing something that's shady
and the fairyus, they try to come out with a
little bit more bluster, try to get in front of
the cameras more and try to just think that they
can kind of talk these particular situations down. Given the
history of situations like that, do you think it's better
for her to kind of stay low key cooperate with everything,
or get out in front and just own it in
front of everybody and let the pieces fall where they may.

Speaker 7 (01:03:59):
You know, from what I'm reading, I don't know that
this is stuff she really wants to own.

Speaker 9 (01:04:03):
There's a sexual assault thing in there from what I'm reading,
and of course I really don't know. I got invited
to come on today a couple hours ago, so I
was going to call my Chicago people, say what's up, y'all,
what's going on. I do think that the appointment of
mayor Lightfoot is fascinating, you know, as doctor Walker say's

(01:04:25):
fascinating because it basically almost removes at some level of
notion that this is racist. So you've got a black
woman investigating a black woman. Is their bias involved? And
many would say so they got covered. Now whatever Lightfoot
comes out with, there's cover. I hope that some of
the things I've read are not true, but if they

(01:04:47):
are the system, I just want to resign frankly if
they are to. As doctor Walker said earlier, he was
on the panel when she was interviewed by Roland and
her answers were not completely transparent. They have to be
completely transparent at this point. Mussafa has also made a
really excellent point about the eye that's on black people,

(01:05:08):
and especially on black women. I'm thinking back to the
way that Dotty Gay was.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
Treated and as the president of Harvard with the man.

Speaker 9 (01:05:18):
Who basically went after her. His wife was a plagiarist
who actually used Wikipedia in her dissertation. Every boy, laugh
right now, Wikipedia? I mean, come on, can't you at
least think of something else? They got footnotes of Wikipedia?
Use a Wikipedia footnote, not the Wikipedia, but a here

(01:05:40):
nor there that was. But black women are always under
enormous scrutiny, and so in fairness to uh, you know,
sister Mayor of Dalton, she has been under a microscope
since she won the election. And the other piece of
it is these are her forward colleagues. She was on

(01:06:01):
the what was a supervisor was she was on the
board with the folks who basically are bringing the action.
So we have to ask what kind of personal bs
is going on? What else is going on?

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
But I would advise her.

Speaker 9 (01:06:15):
To get a good attorney and a good publicist because
it would not be for me to say should she
get in front of it, she get behind it. But
she needs somebody to uh manage the story in a
way that is at least harmful to her. If there
is truth, these allegations, cop to them. But if there's not,
defend yourself, defend yourself, defend yourself, but understand that the

(01:06:37):
context in which this is happening is a highly racialized context.
We've seen it, you know, with black women. I mentioned
doctor Gay, I could mention the little baby girl Angel Reese,
who are sick. White man described as a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
What he call it a dirty times uh And if you.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
Google that, guess what comes up? Pornography.

Speaker 9 (01:07:05):
I've never heard of a whatever debutape before. So I said, hmm,
I know, I'm old, I've know him behind the times.
Let me google this and see what they mean. And
the first thing that comes up with somebody's naked behind.
So basically, you know, but black women, we get slammed,
we get slammed, and so she has whatever else is
going on, everybody who watches the story have to has

(01:07:26):
to acknowledge the racialized environment in which it happens. And
Musava has said he's absolutely we can't do the stuff
that white folks do. You know, white folks get away
with so much it's not even funny. And yeah, that's racialized.
But you I remember when Diggs brother Diggs had to
resign from Congress, and it was over something like using

(01:07:48):
his congressional credit card to basically buy some furniture, and
he said he was gonna pay it back, and he
probably was, but somebody blew it was less than three
twenty thousand dollars if I'm remember this long time ago,
but it was less than thirty thousand dollars. Meanwhile, you
see these other folks doing all kind of foolishness getting

(01:08:09):
away with it, and no one blows a whistle on them.
So understand the environment. And this is an unfortunate story,
and I think it's going to be unfortunate for both
the both mayors in terms of Lightfoot's not going to
relish quote taking a sister down, if that's what she's
gonna do, She's not going to relish that. I mean,
I think she's a fair person. Didn't love her as

(01:08:29):
a mayor. I think she's a fair person, and she's
probably one of the best to investigate. But this becomes
a black owned, black thing, and our people are going
to take sidence.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
True indeed, and I think that's one of the beautiful
things about the Blackstar Network is that you know, we
have the ability to have people come on and have
this conversation. They're not going to be many people across
the national media that are going to want to give
the mayor a platform, and they're not going to want
to give mayor for a mayor a light for the
platform as well. But here on the Blackstar Network, we
are interested in truth because it's really going to help

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spilled our community as we continue to keep an eye
on this story in the way that only the Black
Star Network knows how to do. You are watching Roland
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Because we never argued in this studio. Huh.

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I mean, I don't know how many days we've been
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argument like that, right, and it was captured. But of
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Some days, that's with you know, your voice isn't real

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The Republican led Louisiana Senate voted twenty eight to eleven
in support of SB three eighty eight, a bill that
would allow state and local police in Louisiana to arrest
and attain anyone they suspect of being in the United
States illegally, mimicking Texas Law SB four, which is currently
on hold while the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals decides

(01:11:40):
whether or not the law is constitutionally sound. SB three
eighty eight heads to the Louisiana House of Representatives for
further discussion and debate. Republican Senator Valerie Hodges from Denham Springs,
who authored SB three eighty eight, says the bill was
a move to make Louisiana tougher on illegal immigration and
the issues surrounding the southern border. If the bill reaches

(01:12:04):
Governor Jeff Landry's desk, the ruling in the Texas case.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Will determine whether it can be implemented.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
The Louisiana legislator legislature is also considering a law that
would exempt motorists from civil liability if they harm protesting
pedestrians with their vehicle in cases where drivers believe they
are in immediate danger of imminent death, bodily injury, or
serious bodily harm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Doctor Ali.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Bro So in our first segment tonight, and we were
talking about Arizona and with abortion, we were going back.
I was talking about how people keep saying that women
are going to rise up and this is were gonna
cover everything and just win everything in twenty twenty four
and Republicans should be unnotice.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
But they keep putting.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Out different policies and keep putting out different laws. Right,
So when we take it back to this story, we
see what's going on in Texas, we see how it's
being challenged, but yet we still see that they have
they have their blueprint that they're sending across the country
to see what states are going to try to implement
it regardless of the backlash. So we're talking about one

(01:13:18):
the immigration part of it, but then also this idea
of people can basically run over everybody because they basically
quote unquote fear for their life. But this is a
boilerplate thing that's going on across the country and Louisiana
is just the latest example.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
They're not stopping.

Speaker 12 (01:13:35):
No, of course they're not stopping.

Speaker 11 (01:13:36):
You know, it's not a blueprint, it's a black print
and a bround and we're going to keep it real
because they understand that if they can continue to marginalize
our communities, if they can get people so focused on
the chaos, because when you deal with chaos, most people
don't do anything.

Speaker 12 (01:13:52):
They freeze, they don't know what to do.

Speaker 11 (01:13:54):
So they understand the game that is going on, they
will try it in Texas first, or Louisiana first, or
a couple of the other states, and if they can
get traction, then they'll continue to spread it out.

Speaker 12 (01:14:06):
It's like cancer.

Speaker 11 (01:14:08):
There's exactly what's going on, is that we have these
cancero sets of actions that are happening that then spread,
and if you don't cut cancer out, or if you
don't get the proper type of treatment, then it will
spread and it will spread and spread until the host
no longer has anything left. So we should be very
clear about these dynamics that are going on. They understand

(01:14:28):
that when they own the state legislatures in many instances,
when they have the governor, when they have the courts,
that they can try and bring forward these archaic sets
of laws and actions that are very reminiscent.

Speaker 12 (01:14:41):
If you take a look at many of these sets
of actions, and if you.

Speaker 11 (01:14:44):
Know anything about history and you remember the slave patrols,
look at how they are actually dealing with migrants right now,
they're not saying that you are innocent until proven excuse
me that what they're saying is that you are guilty
and still being proved innocent. So we have to really
understand these dynamics that are going on. And then we

(01:15:05):
have many of our own family who will say, well,
that ain't got nothing to do with me. But if
you actually look at the totality of the sets of actions,
it literally is a comprehensive strategy about extracting power, extracting wealth,
extracting opportunity, and actually extracting your constitutional rights in many
instances literally just pulling it away from you. So I

(01:15:28):
hope that we will understand the game that's being.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Played absolutely, And doctor Malvaux kind of going back to
your research, when I'm looking at a bill that would
basically give local and state police the opportunity or you know,
the right to arrest anybody, and I know these are officers,
but it also kind of makes me think of with
the lynching and how people individuals are just deputized to

(01:15:51):
go and do whatever they want to anybody, and I
kind of see that as the next step. You know,
if these local officers can arrest anybody, then they're probably
going to have another lot where people can make citizens
or rest if they feel like someone doesn't belong here.
But speak to the thought about empowering local police to
deal with an immigration issue.

Speaker 7 (01:16:15):
What does an immigrant look like? You know, I look
like an immigrant.

Speaker 9 (01:16:20):
I got stopped in Miami one time for something that
I didn't do, and they they thought I'd look Mexican.

Speaker 7 (01:16:26):
Well, you know, I'm a light skinned black person. I
could look anything. And I was actually held at the
airport for about an hour.

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
Until they found my picture in the paper because I
was speaking the next day.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
They said that ain't huh, but uh, that was funny.
But who looks?

Speaker 9 (01:16:43):
What does an immigrant look like? What does an illegal
immigrant look like? People have stamps on their head, that's
an illegal immigrant. So that gives local officers enormous discretion
to mess with anybody to I mean, because I mean
in Louisiana, Arizona, those places are the kind of on

(01:17:05):
the border, so they're thinking it's basically Latino LATINX folks.
But the fact is that anybody you could be Canadian.
You could be a white guy who came illegally from Canada.
Are you gonna stop him too? So the amount of
discretion is extremely troubling because it basically yields, as Mustafa

(01:17:28):
has said, yields people's rights.

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
It just says you can mess with somebody.

Speaker 9 (01:17:32):
It is in a part of the continuum of lynching culture.
You can stop anybody. And when I think about it
in the context of enslavement, let's remember the movie Twelve
Years of Slave. If you look like you could be
a slave, you could be stopped and re incarsonrate because
you look like you.

Speaker 7 (01:17:51):
Could be a slave.

Speaker 9 (01:17:53):
And you know, there's so many stories in black women's
history about women who were free, somehow being sexually compromised
and then sold into enslavement because they're.

Speaker 7 (01:18:08):
Of course they were stupid.

Speaker 9 (01:18:10):
They married white men or they thought they married white men,
and those white men were basically enslavers and took them,
took them and they disappeared from their families.

Speaker 7 (01:18:20):
I mean, there's stories that have been documented of that.
So this is too much discretion.

Speaker 9 (01:18:27):
And there's no way that you can say look at
somebody and say that's an undocumented person, that's an illegal person.
You can't look at someone and say that. So the
Louisiana local this is this is for one of a
better word, bass actwards. I did it's bass actwards to

(01:18:48):
to to allow this to happen. I hope the higher
courts will.

Speaker 7 (01:18:53):
Say this is illegal law.

Speaker 9 (01:18:55):
But again, let's look at the context in which we live,
and the context in which we live is one of
predatory capitalism, where there's enormous competition and where there is
enormous racial animals. And in that context, the higher courts,
if they go to the right one, this law will
be struck down. But if we go to a court

(01:19:17):
that has been with many trumpet pointees on it, let's
just call it, this law will be upheld.

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
And if it's upheld in Louisiana, it will be upheld
in other states.

Speaker 9 (01:19:28):
And we will talk about again the encroachment of rights,
and what we're seeing day by day by day is
the encroachment of rights. I mean, it really is quite frightening.
It's traumatizing. I'm trying to figure out how to get
up out of here. I mean literally, I started looking
into property in Ghana because I don't know that I

(01:19:50):
can take this, and I don't know that many of
us can.

Speaker 7 (01:19:52):
I'm not giving up, I'm not yielding, you.

Speaker 9 (01:19:54):
Know, my citizenship, but I'm just looking at it just
basically feel better to go online.

Speaker 7 (01:19:58):
And say I could buy a house in Ghana.

Speaker 9 (01:20:00):
You know, it just makes me feel better because this
encroachment of rights serious.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
And doctor Walker, you're seeing this real in real time
because in Florida, you've been seeing issues relating to you know,
migrant issues down there. But if I'm correct, the Santists
also attempted to pass a law down there where motives
can run over people who are at protests and alike,
and so speak about. You know, you're living a lot
of these issues in real time as it relates to
what's happening in Florida. But the law that you know,

(01:20:29):
uh where people can basically get off for running over
people with their cars, I mean, how far is this
thing going to go?

Speaker 7 (01:20:38):
It's going to go far.

Speaker 10 (01:20:38):
And you're right, you know, it was a bill was
passed a few years ago, and then you know, after
there was some issues, you know, and I think in Cuba,
I think it was after that that you saw people
in the highways and you know, no one said anything,
so but you I think I think we need to
highlight a couple of things here in terms of you know,

(01:21:00):
what's happened Louisiana in other states, Texas, et cetera. Essentially,
this is a stop and frisk for anyone who doesn't
look white. That's first. Secondly, the law relating to using
your car is essentially as an instrument destruction is basically,
you know, a stand your ground with.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Your car law.

Speaker 10 (01:21:21):
So I think in context is important on the you
know on this show that we keep it real with
people who are watching this, right, so you've got stop
them frisk and then you've got to stand your ground.
We're using your car as a as a vehicle to
mow down people who you think of a threat. So
the other thing about Louisiana is that without no doubt
that this law, that both these laws are going to

(01:21:42):
cost people not only their freedom with their lives, particularly
the law relating to individuals who feel like their lives
might be danger and then they can simply just run
you over. This is going to you know, listen, when
they pass these blause, they know exactly what's going to happen.
And so I would also like to make the connection
that Louisiana has one of the highest highest incarceration rates

(01:22:03):
in the world, not the United States, and those individuals
are disproportionately black. So it's very important for folks to
make the connection. And then you just had to you know,
super right wing governor elected, So connect the docs on
all this. And you know, for folks you know Louisiana,
other states, we need to make sure we get out
and vote every two to four years local, state, and

(01:22:25):
federal to make sure this doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
And like you said, in other states, people, it's just
a matter of time before this is coming to your town,
to your city, to your state. So you just have
to remember every single day you got to get up
and fight. It's not about those people over there. It
is just a matter of time. So stop it in
these other cities and these other localities, speak up on
it before it's too late for you. And that's how
we start to make change and challenge these ridiculous laws.

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And like doctor Roctor said, also getting out to vote,
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Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Now we understand that you do this work every day,
so you're you're the expert for those of us who
are not really familiar with dementia. I want to start
off by asking you what is a dementia friendly faith community.

Speaker 24 (01:25:50):
A dementia friendly faith community is a church or a
congregation that welcomes, they're inclusive, they know how to support
and treat families that are on this journey. So they
know there's different things that needs to be put in
place to support that individual living with dementia, and they
recognize how the journey for that caregiver may be challenging

(01:26:10):
and that they're there to meet their needs. And that's
what's so so important for us to address this overlooked
issue in the black community.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
And so why do you feel it's important for the
Black church specifically to pay attention to dementia.

Speaker 24 (01:26:25):
Well, historically, the church has always been that cornerstone. This
has been a place where we've had our meetings, is
where movements have taken place, and this is a public
health crisis.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
So why not go to the church and let them
know that, hey, we need to step up.

Speaker 24 (01:26:41):
We need to see how we can support our parishioners
and the communities that we are serving, because it's really there.
It is there, even though people may not say that
they're on this journey, they're on this journey and we
need to learn how to support them. We need to
be on this movement together to be able to support them.
It takes a village. Not one person can be on

(01:27:01):
this journey alone.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
I'm so happy that you mentioned this concept of the
village mentality because this is it's all hands on deck
approach from what you're saying. So you know, with that
in mind, who should be most concerned about dementia and
when we should When should we even begin to address
it with our families and our overall community.

Speaker 24 (01:27:22):
Yeah, so I think we all should be concerned about dementia.
Dementia does not discriminate with age, race, or gender. Many
people think it's for older adults you have to be
eighty or seventy to get dementia, but we have people
that are in their thirties early forties that are being
diagnosed with.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Disties are being diagnosed with dementia yet.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Wow.

Speaker 24 (01:27:41):
Yes, and the reason for that. And I want to
make sure that we're very clear because I was a nurse,
I had a PhD. And I did not know how
this was attacking our community because no one took the
time to connect the dots. But we know that in
the black community, we tend to get vascular dementia. So
there's over one hundred types of dementia out there. Alzheim's

(01:28:01):
disease is the most common, that's the one we hear about.
But vascular dementia is what attacks our community, and that
is related to the many, many cardiovascular diseases that exist
in our community, such as hypertension, the strokes that we have,
many strokes, tias, diabetes, afif hey, high cholesterol. I can
go on and on these things that occur. We could

(01:28:23):
diagnose with high blood pressure in our early thirties, in
our twenties, and we don't think anything of it, and
changes are occurring in our brain, but we don't see that.
We're looking at our extremities and not realizing that these
changes are occurring eight to fifteen years before people can
see the signs and symptoms of dementia.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Thank you so much for sharing that. I want to
go to our panel for questions. Doctor Malveaux, your question
on dementia.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
Oh, I was just.

Speaker 9 (01:28:52):
Writing something down that sister said about vascular dementia because
it kind of resonates as a diabetic who recently had
some kind of stroke activity.

Speaker 7 (01:29:04):
I hope I don't have dementia that would be dangerous
for everybody.

Speaker 9 (01:29:07):
But my question, what are the you said that things
begin to happen seven years or so before the actual
dementia sets in.

Speaker 7 (01:29:17):
What are some of the warning signs that people should
be aware of? And a related question is what can
we do to support caretakers?

Speaker 9 (01:29:27):
At my mother's end, as she was making her transition,
she began to have some cognizant issues and it was
really hard on my sisters because you couldn't really understand
what was going on.

Speaker 7 (01:29:37):
So a whatuld warning science be? What can we do
for the caretakers?

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Sure?

Speaker 24 (01:29:43):
And the warning science is before I get to the
warning science, let's be clear what dementia is. Dementia is
the impaired ability to remember, to think, make decisions, and
it also impacts people's behavior. So the warning science would
be short term memory laws. That's one of the key ones.

Speaker 8 (01:30:01):
That they cannot remember what happened five minutes ago, but
they had for breakfast earlier today, But what they can
remember is what happened thirty years ago, So it's short
term memory loss.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
It's one.

Speaker 24 (01:30:14):
Another one is a word salad. Not being able to
express themselves and getting words confused. So if they say
go put this in a microwave. That's what they meant
to say, but they may say, go put this in
a remote control. So mixing up your words, and I
see a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
We've seen that with our pastors.

Speaker 24 (01:30:31):
There are pastors that are now experiencing dementia, and you
can tell in their sermons.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
So these are things that you can pick up.

Speaker 24 (01:30:37):
All other thing is making poor decisions, so not paying bills,
stuffing the bills underneath the tablecloth.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
On the table when you go home to visit.

Speaker 24 (01:30:52):
I tell all families, lift up the placement, lift up
the table call. You will see bills underneath. Also you'll
see a change in the writing pattern.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
So pay attention. If somebody U is a diabetic or.

Speaker 24 (01:31:06):
High blood pat high blood pressure there, take a long
pay attention. You will start seeing they have a change
in their writing pattern. These are early warning signs. Dips
on the car, scratch up rams, These are things because
your vision is impaired. That's part of dementia where you
lose your peripheral vision. And so then they're making these

(01:31:29):
times and to them they say nothing's there, but something
is there. So those are a few of the warning signs.
They you can pay attention to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Thank you for that, Doctor Ali. Your question for doctor.

Speaker 11 (01:31:42):
Epps, Well, doctor Epps, thank you for dropping so much
science on us, and so many really don't know what's
going on in space. You know, we've been talking about
a number of cases, uh, in our communities of law
enforcement police interacttions, when we have folks who are not

(01:32:03):
able to make the best decisions because of brain impairments,
When we have folks who can't remember certain things, and
if a law enforcement officer ask you questions, where'd you
just come from, who was you visiting? So forth, and
so on, there's scenes that there could also be some
dangers for folks who are dealing with forms of dementia

(01:32:23):
and engagement with law enforcement.

Speaker 12 (01:32:25):
So I'd love to get your response to that.

Speaker 11 (01:32:28):
And if there are things that we can do to
help to better protect and prepare our community around education
or other types of things, I'd love to hear what
that might be.

Speaker 24 (01:32:39):
Yeah, what you said is so true, and this is
what we tend to see. There's a particular type of
dementia called frontal temporal dementia, and they have two types.
They have the expressive type where they have problems with
their finding the worst, but they have the behavior variant
where they all start doing things that are unethical and moral,

(01:32:59):
and this is where the police will get involved.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
And we've seen that a lot. And if the police
it's not educated, if they're not educated, then they end
up arresting the person. And if the family is not
educated and to tell the.

Speaker 24 (01:33:12):
First responders that this is what's going on. And so
it's a lot of education and awareness needs to happen
within the family, the community, within the health system.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Many times we assume that someone has.

Speaker 24 (01:33:24):
A health certificate or a licensed health professional that we
should know everything about dementia. That's not the case, and
so it is continued education and awareness. In the black family,
we tend to what stays on in the house keep
we keep it in the house. And we can't do
that because when we do that, we're actually putting ourself

(01:33:45):
at home. We're putting our loved one in danger. So
we need to tell the neighbors what's going on so
they will understand when this person starts screaming or runs
out of the house, or.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
If they touch you in appropriate.

Speaker 24 (01:34:00):
We have a lot of people with their frontal temporal dimension,
they would go up to women and touch them in
appropriate places, and what's the first.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Thing we'll do, right, We'll call, we'll get upset, but
not trying to really understand what's going on here.

Speaker 24 (01:34:16):
And so my answer to that is a lot of
education and some states are actually working with first responders
to make sure that they're aware and know how to respond.
We're just in the beginning, I think, where we have
a long road to go with making sure that everybody's
on the same page.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Thank you very much, doctor Walker, your question, Yeah, doctor reps.

Speaker 10 (01:34:38):
Thank you for taking time me Ebody's schedule to really
unpack this important topic. And the one thing the thing
I want to talk about is, you know, I want
to talk about specifically black practitioners because you know, we know,
you know, physicians and various other disciplines, there's a lack
of black practitioners. Can you talk about the importance of
having the same race practitioner to you evaluate individuals to

(01:35:01):
determine whether they have dementia that are black, and the
impact that it has on their long term health.

Speaker 24 (01:35:08):
So so so important, and so that's one of the
things that I preach. You know, there's a lot of
stuff out here, but it's so important to have that
racial concordance, which are healthcare professional or your provider, because
there's a level of understanding that's there already. You don't
have to explain what neighborhood I'm coming from, or what

(01:35:29):
I may have to experience, or what I may have
to do to get here. And so it's that level
of understanding. And as part of that, I developed a
course called Caregiving While Black. What I brought in black
health practitioners and other black health professionals to say, I
need y'all to come in and we need to teach
our black caregivers because we teach a little bit different,

(01:35:50):
and we need to speak to them like they're our
family because they are, and to make sure they know
how to interact with the health care system so they
can get better outcomes, they can get the outcomes that
they need and deserve. So I totally agree with you
that it is very important that we have racial concordance,
and if that's not the case, we need to have
providers that fully understand the communities and the families that

(01:36:13):
they are serving, understand their culture, where they're coming from,
and so they can fully understand and make that plan
of care that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Matches in their lives and that's how when we go
back home.

Speaker 24 (01:36:25):
We would adhere to the discharge instruction its because it
makes sense now, But if you don't understand where I'm
coming from, then it's hard. You don't know what to
prescribe me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Wow, doctor, you gave us a lot, and I really
hope that the audience is really taking it in because
this is not something that we think about on a
daily basis, especially in our community, unless we're directly affected
by it. And just that information about how to look
for signs, it was just mind blowing because it's just
basic things every single day that many of us don't

(01:36:57):
pay attention to. Where can people go if they want
to learn more about this and learn more about what
your organization is doing as well?

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Where can they go?

Speaker 24 (01:37:04):
Yes, so you can visit altradementia dot com and as
a L T. E. R. Dementia dot com And that's
why you can learn more about the work that we're
doing in the Black community with faith communities as well.
We have a summit that's coming up April to twenty
fifth through twenty seventh to talk about the role of
the Black church and it's for everyone with ministring their

(01:37:25):
heart caregivers, even persons living with dementia to come to
Atlanta at the Household Atlanta to understand what can I do,
What can I do to bring.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Back to my family, my work, environment, my church.

Speaker 24 (01:37:38):
What can we do because again it takes a village
and we have to address this issue together.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Doctor Fayron Apps, thank you so much, and we look
forward to hearing more about the incredible work that you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Thank you, thank you.

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(01:40:54):
Chip Murray, who served as pastor of First African Methodist
Episcopal Church for twenty seven years and was instrumental in
restoring peace during the nineteen ninety two Los Angeles riots,
has died the ninety four year old died Friday of
natural causes at his home in the View Park neighborhood
of Los Angeles. Murray served as pastor of Los Angeles'

(01:41:17):
oldest Black church from nineteen seventy seven to two thousand
and four. He helped grow his congregation from two hundred
and fifty to more than eighteen thousand members in nineteen
ninety two. Murray gained national attention for helping to calm
tensions during the nineteen ninety two riots after the acquittal
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(01:41:41):
and it played a vital role in rebuilding South Los
Angeles after the uprising. Ended Reverend doctor cecol Chit Murray
is now an ancestor, Doctor Malveaux.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
It seems that every single day the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
People in our community, the elders, the people we revere
our becoming ancestors. What are your thoughts as we reflect
on the life of revend Murray?

Speaker 9 (01:42:05):
Well, I knew Reverend Murray not well at all, but
attended his church on many occasions. The View Park area
in LA is one of the last bastions the sort
of black middle classicists in LA and he was an
amazing brother. Will miss him. He did step down from
his church in two thousand and four, but he remained active,

(01:42:26):
and so many LA politicians, you know, especially Bass, but
many others really sat at his feet because he was
He was so very wise, and he was so very
He was not conciliatory in the usual sense of the world,
but he was.

Speaker 7 (01:42:44):
He wanted people to get along.

Speaker 9 (01:42:47):
He talked a lot about especially after the uprising in
nineteen ninety two, and please let's not call it a ride.

Speaker 7 (01:42:53):
It was an uprising.

Speaker 9 (01:42:55):
But he became very influential because he spoke out, calmed
down a lot of people who are very angry, justifiably angry.
But you know, you can't burn your own community, ye
you know, I always I guess this is one of
the places I always tell people I'm old, but I
am I'm seventy, and that means every day, you know,
I'm losing somebody. I did an eulogy for a friend

(01:43:19):
on Friday, doctor Ramona Elin, who made her transition, and
so you know, it's like every day there's something.

Speaker 7 (01:43:25):
But as you get older, that's just going to happen.

Speaker 9 (01:43:28):
What I think is challenging is the extent to which
we don't appreciate that which we've lost, you know, And
I think often we just really don't chip Burray hadn't
been out there like he used to be, And so
I think there's there's a generation of folks who just
don't know who he was.

Speaker 7 (01:43:45):
And I think that's sad, but that's life.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
You know, doctor Walkers, as both you know, folks who
work with students. I'm constantly concerned about the institutional knowledge
that we're losing as we continue to raise this next
generation of leaders, you know, and there and those who
are not going to know about doctor reverend doctor Murray
and what he did. What are your thoughts as it
relates to his legacy and how we continue to push

(01:44:10):
his legacy forward into the next generation.

Speaker 10 (01:44:14):
Yeah, I think you hit on a really important point.
We're talking about Reverend doctor Murray and in terms of
the you know, making sure individuals remember that there were
people that came before them to lay the foundation. He
talked about his work after the uprising and rebuilding l A,
but making the connection that the inter generational connections, and

(01:44:36):
so that's so important.

Speaker 7 (01:44:37):
And I think not only in terms.

Speaker 10 (01:44:39):
Of we're taking time out on the show, right now
to talk about his legacy, but also in terms of
making sure we have some you know now, so you know,
some doctors to recognize his greatness, and I'm quite sure
there will be a number of these. I'm assuming it's
some of the institutions in the local LA in the
city itself. The scholarship is in his name and Dow's

(01:44:59):
Scholarship in fact, and his name to ensure his legacy
lives on years from now, and you know, monuments, et cetera.
But you're really you had, how like, once again, a
really important point to make sure we know that this
generation understands that there are individuals who later foundation made
a commitment to the black community, stood by the stood

(01:45:21):
with the black community for change, and then they did
that throughout their life span and then now they're the ancestors.
But certainly semi condolences to his family and friends and
all those who attend his church in LA and once
again another pioneer, Black pioneer we've lost.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
So fortunately, you're absolutely right, and I'm heading out to
LA to be at Elik Books to be out there tomorrow,
and so I'm interested in seeing just how people are
paying tribute to him.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Doctor Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
As we're going forward, We talked often, even in our
last segment, about the church. What do you think he
represents for us as relates to the role the Black
church should.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Be playing going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Given his monumental role not just with the la Uprising,
but in our community for such a long period of time,
what's as muches for the church going.

Speaker 11 (01:46:04):
Forward to create a safe space, a welcoming space, a
space that is focused on how we.

Speaker 12 (01:46:12):
Help our people move from surviving to thriving.

Speaker 11 (01:46:16):
When we think about our good Reverend doctor Murray, you know,
he was able to do many of those things. So
folks often think about Los Angeles and they think about
palm trees, and you know, a place where everything just
kind of moves at a pace that is welcoming. And
that's not the case for many black people in relationship

(01:46:36):
to Los Angeles. But he was able to be able
to create that safe space our churches, our mosque. Maybe
for folks who go with synagogue, they have a responsibility
for not only being that safe space, but also being
a catalyst for positive change, being a place where those
who have been unseen and unheard can now find refuge.

(01:46:57):
So we should take lessons from our elders like doctor
Reverend Murray and others who have been able to do
that and then replicate it, because we have so many
folks who pulled away from our religious institutions because they
don't see themselves reflected in those spaces. So as this
next generation comes around, because all of us are part
of the circle of life, we will all transition one day.

(01:47:19):
But as we transition, there are opportunities for the next
generation to take the best of us and to build
upon that.

Speaker 12 (01:47:26):
And I think that that is a part of the lesson.

Speaker 11 (01:47:29):
That Reverend doctor Murray left behind along with a number
of our other elders who have now transitioned.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
I think you make a really powerful point there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
And as I'm watching the video, you know, as you
all are talking, the part that just moved me the
most was the videos where he was talking to the
young people, the children, passing on the energy, passing on
the information.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
People talk so.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Much about the disconnecting our communities between the elders and
those who are young, and doctor Reverend Murray was somebody
who reached back to the young people people and really
wanted to make sure that they understood their their power
and their presence, and so he is somebody who was
definitely going to be missed. And we wish Reverend Doctor
Murray and his entire family a peace during this entire process.

(01:48:14):
You are now an ancestor and we're always going to
continue to uplift you because you uplifted us. That does
it for us tonight. I want to thank the panel,
doctor Mustafa Santiago Ali, doctor Larry J. Walker, and doctor
Julian Malveaux for helping me hold it down my Roland
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