FTC Bans Non-Compete Agreements, CA DA Reviews 35 Death Penalty Cases, Black Ohio Man Attacked by K9

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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Folks. Today's Tuesday, April twenty third, twenty twenty four, coming
up on Roland Bark Unfiltered, streaming live on the black
Star Network. Non compete clauses are now a thing of
the past thanks to the Federal Trade Commission banning the practice.
We will talk to the plumber attorney on how this
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A huge decision for the Federal Trade Commission, and they
three to two vote. They have banned non compete agreements.
These agreements have prevented millions of employees from working for
competitors or starting a competing business after leaving a company,
or even being fired. At the FTC estimates the non

(03:21):
compete agreements cover some eighteen percent of the US workforce.
John me Now from Chicago's employment attorney Chiquita Hall Jackson,
Glad to have you on the show, Chiquita. This is
I don't think people really understand how major this is
in this industry. It is common practice for television anchors,
folks in radio. I remember Tom Johner had I think

(03:44):
it was like an eighteen month non compete when he
worked in Dallas. That kept so when he left KKDA
FM to get a national syndicated radio show, they kept
him off the air in Dallas like his first eighteen
months of FT team says, guess what that's out the window.

Speaker 8 (04:05):
Thanks for having me. Good evening, Good evening. It is
definitely major for a lot of employees, and a lot
of people do not understand when they get those welcome packages,
they'd be so excited they finally got the job and
they just sign and sign and sign it and disguising
that welcome packages. No compete, arbitration agreements are all type
of agreements that people are signing their rights away too.

(04:27):
So this is definitely major because now you can now
go across the street and work for your competitor.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
So when you say they banned this, so that means
that no company can now enforce a non compete. So
there's no longer a delay. So if somebody leaves a job,
they can start the next day.

Speaker 8 (04:47):
That's what the goal is.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
Now.

Speaker 8 (04:49):
I'm pretty sure there's going to be some challenges raising
this stuff to the Supreme Court and a few others.
But this is the Federal Trade Commission. This is as
high as as you can get, so hopefully they have
more of an impact. But this said something that I do
see a lot of companies might come in and try
to challenge through litigation.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Oh there's no doubt in my mind we're going to
have some lawsuits here because there are many companies that
use these non competes in a very punitive way. Like
I said, there used to be some non compete There
was longest two years. For the most part, we look
at non competes down there about six months. But what

(05:25):
happens I know in my industry, it's actually kept people
on the sidelines where they couldn't get a job. And
some states though require if you have a non compete
and you want to enforce it, you got to pay
that person to sit on the sidelines. A lot of
other places they don't.

Speaker 8 (05:41):
That's correct, and Illinois actually changed, call ourselves making an
effective change, but making a requirement of seventy five thousand dollars.
You have people in the domestic world couldn't go across
the street and work for their comparedors.

Speaker 9 (05:53):
You had AutoZone.

Speaker 8 (05:54):
Now you can't go to ol'd rallies and different things
like that. And they're not even making fifty thousand dollars
a year. Illinois, we scratch the surface by making a
minimum threshold seventy five thousand. But like you said, you
do still have to pay. But it's plenty of people
that just can't move, and if so, they're going to
take a job outside of their field in the meantime
and between time until their opportunity comes where they can

(06:17):
now exhaust their remedy. And then some people just opt
in to pay the difference because there whether knock apte.
It usually lets you know that if you do violate it,
then it comes with a nominal costs or some kind
of financial costs, and most people, if you want to
stand that area of expertise, then they might be willing
to pay that over a payment plan or some kind

(06:37):
of long term payment option.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
This here is the document of the FTC when it
laid out the proposed changes, and they say here that
according to the FTC estimates, the proposed rule could increase workers'
earnings across industries and job levels from two hundred and
fifty billion to almost three hundred billion dollars a year.

Speaker 8 (07:07):
That's what it's all about. Someone wanted they will talk
to their good friends to sit in these nice seats,
and they said, look, you guys, hold up my money.
And I saw they including patents. Now it's going to
have opportunity for people to take their patents and get
what they're working ideas and get a patent themselves versus
pay it through a third party company where they not

(07:27):
getting paid. Their salaries remains the same regardless. I had
one client. He had twenty one patents for one company
over twenty one years, and his name was on none
of them. It was all all to the company, but
it was his inventions, his idea. And now you open
up the floodgates for those opportunities where people can now
own their own patents, regardless if they leave this company.
Now I can go across the street and start my

(07:48):
own competing company and also get my idea patent that.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
His was crazy. They actually listed a few examples here.
Here we go back to my iPad. Michael, a single father,
found work as a security guard for a Florida firm.
A few weeks after accepting the job, which paid around
eleven dollars an hour, his overnight childcare fell through and
he resigned. Months later, he took a job at a
date as a daytime security guard at a bank, making

(08:14):
almost fifteen dollars per hour, but his new employer let
him go when the previous employer sent a letter stating
that Michael had signed a two year non compete for
an eleven dollars an hour job. The next one here
says Jane, a vice president at Amazon who had signed
a non compete, left the company to serve as head

(08:36):
of product for a tech startup, smart Sheet. Amazon sued
to block him from taking the job. After unfavorable media coverage,
Amazon dropped the suit under the leadership of Gene and
other smart Sheet Thrive and exceeded five hundred million dollars
in annual revenue. Jane left the firm in twenty twenty
one for a new startup. And so people might think, well,

(08:57):
these are high paying jobs, the vice president still was
a security guard and a who the hell size of
security guard? To a two year non compete prase secrets
of the does he have.

Speaker 8 (09:12):
Yeah, it's just greed and power, and it's that's what
it boils down to. But I tell people all the time,
and I actually wrote a book talking about how to
navigate workspace because people just sign sign signed. I'm pretty
sure he wasn't even aware that he signed that agreement.
You get a welcome package, a just you hiring package.
All you looking at is your pay, what days you
need to report, and that you're actually going to be

(09:33):
starting work somewhere, and you just signing the way you
don't know what you're signing.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Absolutely crazy. So we'll certainly see what happens next if
they're in lawsuits. But this is a huge, huge win
for workers' rights. Jaquiita, We appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
Thanks for having me.

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All right, talk of my panel. John Quaard Neil, trial
lawyer for the John culdn Neil Firm out of Atlanta. Uh,
she got her Beyonce blonde hair coming back from her
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(13:01):
the EPA, also out of DC. Joy Chane, a founder
of Joy Strategists out of DC. Let them have all
three of you here, John call I want to start
with you. As I said, I don't think people realize
how huge this is, but some of these things are crazy.
Here go back to my iPad. Let listen to this
story right here. This is from the FTC. Keith, a
factory manager for a textile company, saw his paycheck drop

(13:24):
up after the two thousand and eight financial crisis. A
rival textile company offered him a better job in the
big raise, a non compete blocked him from taking it.
Keith fought the non compete, but the three year legal
battle wiped out his savings. This is the one that
is a trip. A Phlebonomus, a technician who draws blood
from blood testing, drove long hours around upstate New York

(13:47):
performing physical exams and collecting specimens. She was offered a
job by a clinical lab that offered more regular hours,
higher pay, and no travel requirements, but the offer was
rescinded when the company discovered she was subject to a
non compete. The thing is, again, is in so many industries,
and this is so pervasive, and so this FTC decision

(14:10):
by the three three to two vote has far reaching
implications in every job field.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
That's absolutely correct.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
The only field that I'm aware of where non competes
are not a general practice is in the field of
law because we're generally restricted by state already. So one
of the things as it relates to non compete agreements,
this is a huge win for employees all across the country.

(14:41):
I mean essentially, what that what the findings show from
some of those case summaries are that every state, well
a lot of states, they regulate non compete agreements. Right,
they have certain there are certain provisions in non compete
agreements that it can be found unconscionable.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Right.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
But just like that summary.

Speaker 15 (15:03):
Said that case.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Study, who with the people that they're using these against?

Speaker 16 (15:09):
Right?

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Who has the resources to fight the legality and force ability?

Speaker 1 (15:17):
A guy making eleven dollars an hour, cannot fight a
company and he's going to a job making fifteen dollars
an hour, and.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
The companies don't want to get into That's why the
hiring companies will send those offers right because they don't
want to get involved in entrenched in a legal battle
over prospective employees when they can just hire someone that
doesn't have the same restrictions. So it's really really a
big win and I'm very, very excited about it. Cautioned

(15:46):
a little bit about what the potential lawsuits about Congress
not giving them the explicit authority to promulgate this, or
whether there's implicit authority, so it'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Mup, musht off. I'm going to go to you this.
They say FTC one in five Americas, about thirty million
people are bound by a non compete. That is a
huge number of folks.

Speaker 15 (16:12):
No, it most definitely is. You know, I've even had
to sign a couple of non competes over the years,
and luckily I had great attorneys who could take a
take a peek at it. But this is really something
for the everyday person. Has been stated earlier, it is
not just for the wealthy. Or those are, you know,
making those larger sets of salaries. So it's important. I

(16:33):
think I would be remiss if I also didn't bring
into our conversation you know that we need to make
sure that these types of things can't be rescinded or
amended because often when we're dealing with one administration, then
we move into another administration, individuals will try and find
a way to take away rights. Because this actually gives

(16:53):
every day working class people rights, and we know that
there has been an attack on that. So those who
have a specialization in this area, hopefully they can help
us to understand is this locked in or will we
have to continue to fight to make sure that these
rights stay in the hands of people.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Joy That was the point I was I was about
to make is because this is a perfect example that
people need to understand. This is a difference when it
comes to elections who gets elected and who does not.
And so what you have here is a bid hass
administration that has been far more aggressive in supporter of workers' rights.

(17:31):
You've had the FTC and the DOJ being very aggressive
against mergers that have let the job losses and led
to consolidation, higher prices, as well. And I'll give an example.
Right now, You've got some folks looking at this potential
seller pairamount or their pair company National Amusement, and they say, hey,

(17:54):
maybe we wait until after November. Because a Republican a
Republican win by Trump means a far more lax Federal
Trade Commission and DJ when it comes to these issues
as opposed to a Democrat Biden Harris administration that's far
more likely to stay in with the workers as opposed

(18:16):
to the big company and the owners.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
That's right. When we say elections matter, we mean economic rights.
We mean what the FTC maybe commission you didn't even
know about or hear about, but it impacts your ability
to make money. So much of this is about workers,
but it's also about small business owners who are not
going to be able to innovate and perhaps create new

(18:40):
innovations that we had not originally thought of because they're
not saddled with the noncompete class. So this is really important.
And let me just say one of the best things
about the sixteen to nineteen project is it really talked
about and broke down how slavery bleeds into not just
what impacts people of color, but what impacts all sorts

(19:00):
of people, working class people, the little guy. The fact
that we believe that companies should control everything and that
you are lucky to have a job, and that they
can do almost anything they want to you unfettered and
can prevent your ability to earn a living beyond them
and to build your own legacy for your own family. Yeah,

(19:24):
it's a vesting, just labor that impacts us all.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Regardless of ring. I mean, it's it's just absolutely crazy.
And again we'll see. I'm quite sure you're going to
have some lawsuits that are going to be filed as
relates to this. Sorry, folks, gotta go to break. We'll
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Stay right here, all right. Things got a little testing
today in New York City where Donald Trump was on trial.
The judge of the case really went after Donald Trump's
lawyers by saying, you really want to play with me
when it comes to this gag order and his constant
outbursts on social media that took place earlier in today.

(22:08):
Of course, when testimony began, David Pecker, former leader of
the National in Quirk of the stand and admitted that
they struck a deal in twenty fifteen to help the
Trump campaign by locking up or locking down stories of
people what people were alleging affairs with Donald Trump. They
call these highly highly confidential situations. Go to my iPad.

(22:29):
This is from the Yahoo story. Here it says that
Trump's then lawyer Michael Cohen fed the tabloid negative stories
about rivals like Senator Ted Cruz when they sensed him
gaining momentum on Trump in the GP primary. Pecker testified
Steve Bannon also pitched negative stories about Hillary Clinton to
Pecker that the inquiry published, but they had a deal
called catch and kill. Well, the Nationally Inquirer paid thirty

(22:51):
thousand dollars to Trump Tower doorman to so he could
not discuss a story of Trump fathering a child out
of wedlock. The short story was not true, but Pecker said, quote,
I made the decision to buy the story because of
the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign of
mister Trump. They also had a catch and kill example

(23:13):
involving former Playboy model Caraen McDougal, who was shopping in
a story about her having a sexual relationship with Trump. Quote,
I think you should buy it, Pecker said, he told Trump,
who was mayor at the time, in the twenty sixteen campaign.
The thing that's really interesting here is when you look
at all these crazy Trump folks who act as if

(23:33):
this is no big deal, Mustafa, is that it shows
you how they don't care, how they don't care. And
one of the things though, that folks have been talking
about is, you know, the impact on potentially independent voters
like He's a perfect example. Now. Fox News loves doing
these what I call dumb folks in diners stories. So

(23:57):
what they do is they send out Lawrence b Jones,
who bruh, you need a haircut? Seeing him out to
interview these folks in these diners, they sound like idiots.
If you want to see a true maga idiot, watch
this woman who's wrapped in the Trump Trump flag like
she's in need of a blanket. Just move to tears
about how much we really need this thug back of

(24:19):
the Oval office.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Listen, And I was talking to this young lady right here, Hey,
how you doing? Good morning? We were talking about the
former president being under prosecution right now.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
What do you make of it? Do you think that
it's fair? No, I don't think it's fair.

Speaker 9 (24:33):
It's ridiculous. So just trying to.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Keep him busy so he can't run.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
You were telling me yesterday that as you thought about
the case and you were watching about what was going
on in New York, it brought you to tears.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Why is that tears?

Speaker 18 (24:47):
Because we need Trump backer else we're going to lose
our country.

Speaker 9 (24:50):
We're going to lose our country.

Speaker 18 (24:52):
And what's happening with these protesters is heartbreaking. It's history
happening all over again, and they don't understand how bad
it could get or will get if we don't get
Trump back in.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Let's talk with some more folks here, sir, how you doing?
I see you got your maggat shirt on the president?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Is you know what, Let's go back and listen to
another idiot. I just got to listen to another idiot.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
You feel about it?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Do you think that it's fair? Not at all.

Speaker 19 (25:18):
They're going after him just to keep him off the trail,
and does anybody else. They wouldn't even be a case,
but just because he's a president, they're going after him.
It's the only way they can win.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
So the question is, guys, can Donald Trump get a
fair process?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
In New York City? Sir?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
What do you think about that? You got Donald Trump,
he's in Manhattan, You got a DA that made a
campaign promise to go after him.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
The area that is seeding the jury, only eighty.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Percent of them are Democrats and only twenty percent of
them voted for Donald Trump. Do you feel like they
can be fair?

Speaker 20 (25:54):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 13 (25:55):
I think that.

Speaker 20 (25:57):
The media as a whole has made it their mission
to try and come together against Donald Trump, and that's
all they're concerned about is beating him.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I was talking to this young lady.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Let's see Mustapha. You noticed Lawrence never asked the question, hey,
do you think Donald Trump should have paid off a
porn star who he cheated on his wife with. He
noticed that actually wasn't asked. They we'll talk about a
fair trial. He's also Mustapha on trial for the exact
same thing that Michael Cohen played guilty to under the

(26:35):
Trump Department of Justice.

Speaker 15 (26:38):
Well, you know, the Republicans used to label themselves as
the as the Party of family values. And when you
have both reporters who won't ask the poignant questions really
they're they're just basic, straightforward questions, then that short of
shares the framing that they're approaching this from the other
part of it is you see individuals who wrap themselves

(27:00):
and privilege. And privilege means that you don't have to
actually deal with the facts because the facts, the law,
whatever the situation might be, no longer really apply to
you because they definitely got it wrong, because if it
been anybody else, they would be in jail. Some would
say under the jail for the things that you know
Trump has done over the years. So to ask the

(27:21):
basic question, is it all right for you to pay
off a porn star? As your wife has just had
a baby. You know, when you don't ask the basics,
then that pretty much tells us exactly where you're coming from.
But the deeper part is about the values of the
Republican Party, or the lack thereof. When you are willing,

(27:42):
in many instances, call yourself people of faith, but yet
the individual whom you're willing to give your vote to
has no reflection of any of the major religions. Maybe
if you're doing something with some Trump occultism or something
like that, but you know, it's just a shame to
see the erosion of basic values that have happened for

(28:03):
at least a percentage of our country.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
The thing that just really cracks me up a joy
is that he's admitted, yeah, we paid her off because
we didn't want the public to know. So it's gonna
hurt my campaign. They never bring that stuff up.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yeah, I mean, look, when we wonder why is Trump
doing all these antics, Why is he threatening jury pools,
Why is he challenging the judge, Why is he threatening
a judge's daughter, Why is he behaving so outrageously When
we ask why, it's because he's feeding red meat to
his followers. People who would believe him. And he's trying

(28:44):
to create a narrative that it doesn't matter what happens.
It's a fatal company. We are out to get him,
that is, and that it won't matter. He's going for
voter nullification, not just jury nullification, right, because the fact
he's lost on the facts on the merits, so he
has to be on everything but the merits. That's why

(29:07):
he keeps up these antics. And you are right, he's
doing it for his cult.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I just think it's hilarious, John Quell, how he and
his attorneys go, this is no big deal. I mean,
this is really no big deal. Actually it's against the law.
And again, his own attorney has already gone to jail.
His own attorney got charged by his Department of Justice.
So if the case against you is is bogus, well,

(29:35):
wasn't the case that your Attorney General, Bill Barr prosecuted
him on. Wasn't that bogus too? Hmm?

Speaker 5 (29:44):
Well, you know it's interesting because you know, I've noticed
that a lot of the Trump supporters make it a
heart isant issue, right because he's the president, however, of
the former president, however, just because of whatever position.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
That you have in society. That does not make you
above the law.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
And if you committ crimes, you should be prosecuted for
those crimes. You should not be treated differently because of
whatever position.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
That you have in society.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
And frankly, not just that lawyer, tons of Trump's lawyers, right,
if we even talk about the Georgia indictment, it's tons
of his lawyers have been charged with felonies and tons
of them have pled already. And so it's insane to
me that a criminal trial is about what party you

(30:40):
are associated with, when it has nothing to do with that.
This is the criminal justice system. This has to do
with pursuing justice, and you cannot commit crimes, and just
because of whatever position you hold that you're not held
accountable to those crimes, including the violation of that gag
order that was instrument through the court.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yep. And how about this here, if you don't want
to be prosecuted, don't break the law. I know this
sounds like a novel concept, but it's kind of basic.
It's kind of basic, all right, folks, ho typ one second,
we're gonna come back. We're gonna talk about this case.
I mean, this one county where they've been screwing over

(31:25):
black and latinos for decades. Now they're trying to fix
the issue because the federal judge said get it done.
Will discuss that next h and also talk about the
continue attacks on DEI, this time from a major Hollywood screenwriter.
Y'all gonna love this. Here he claims that his daughters
were not they were not actually beneficiaries of nepotism because

(31:50):
they sat next to me on set many a time. Oh,
whiteness is a powerful thing and also so Newt Gingrich.
Did he actually invoke the work of civil rights workers
in the sixties in an effort to defend Donald Trump.

(32:14):
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Speaker 1 (36:47):
Folks. Avian White has been missing from Swanny Jordanises March eleven.
The fifteen year old is five ft three inches tall,
weighs one hundred and twenty pounds, with black hair and
brown eyes. In all with information regarding Avian Chin the
Gwinnette County, Georgia Police Department seven seven zero five one
three five seven zero zero seven seven zero five one

(37:07):
three five seven zero zero. A miss identified number read
by an automated license plate reader in Toledo, Ohio led
to a K nine dog attacking a black man who's
now facing charges. This took place on April eleventh, when
a thirty eight year old Brandon Upchurch was taking his

(37:28):
cousin home when several officers stopped his truck with guns drawn.
Brandon began recording the stop on a cell phone. He
asked the officers while they stopped him, and we're about
to show you what happened when Brandon exited his vehicle.
Now you don't want to see this. Now's the time
to turn away or leave the room, because it is

(37:52):
certainly quite an uncomfortable video to watch. Here it is.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Now drive her around, driver out in the trunk doing now, ma'am,
hand up?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
What is this all this?

Speaker 5 (38:13):
What is all this? Food?

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Away? What is all this that?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Horner?

Speaker 3 (38:17):
What did y'all want to be over?

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I just turn around?

Speaker 22 (38:22):
Passenger, keep your hands right and see him, ma'am going
this way?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
What is y'all putting me over for?

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Stop for?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
You'll have to tell me about You have to what
the murk?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Answer?

Speaker 6 (38:37):
But find what I get sued?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
All this?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
I'm not doing too much. So I'm doing too much.
I ain't.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
What I did.

Speaker 22 (38:47):
Turn around, turn around, taste away, I have to record.
You're gonna get pt turn now you're exact. Passenger in
the car?

Speaker 8 (38:59):
I got him here?

Speaker 16 (38:59):
What all doing it?

Speaker 22 (39:00):
You're gonna get bit Get on the ground, getting on
the ground, Get on the ground.

Speaker 13 (39:05):
What is y'all doing?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
This tool.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Member, flip over?

Speaker 5 (39:15):
What is y'all doing?

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Man?

Speaker 23 (39:20):
Hands behind your back?

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh my goodness, got your hands.

Speaker 23 (39:22):
Behind your back?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Don't you move?

Speaker 9 (39:26):
Move?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
What did I do? What did I do?

Speaker 5 (39:33):
You know?

Speaker 16 (39:33):
Answer?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
I believe? Wow you dog.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Up up the door?

Speaker 13 (39:44):
Flow you're right here.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I can't wait for his dog suit.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Sit up all right.

Speaker 22 (39:51):
I'm all you have to do is listen your horing
license plate on it.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
I'm promised it don't yeah done.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I'm promised all life break no promises. Not that is
not stand up? I promised under my neck.

Speaker 17 (40:10):
That is great.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Face this car, this car is not stolen, is not.

Speaker 24 (40:17):
Stolen the dog but look this suit?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
All theseuse y'all think might like to place the store?
Think my like to place the stolen? I'll stay up
the street here.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Now, folks. UH, My producer has been in contact with Brandon.
He was supposed to come on the show tonight, UH,
but his attorney advised him against it.

Speaker 22 (40:47):
UH.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
The resisting arrests and obstruction charges still standing against him.
Brandon has a May ninth court hearing. He says that
he hopes the charges will be dropped then the telegal chapter.
The NAACP is demanding an investigation into the instant. It's
crazy to me, John Quell, that they screw up sick

(41:10):
a dog on him, but you still want to hit
him with obstruction charges on a bogus arrest.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Yeah, you know, certain commands that the police give you.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
They do want you to follow those. But it is
absolutely insane that we have.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
An improper detention right of this young man and then
you all are going to move forward with these charges.
But let's not even talk about the use of excessive force.
First of all, they were taunting him, telling him that
you're going to get bit when his behavior didn't warrant
a dog to be let loose on him, essentially, and

(41:54):
so it was inhumane. It's very difficult to even watch that.
I watched it earlier today and watching it this time,
I don't know, it gets harder and harder for me
to even watch that because it's absolutely horrendous behavior. And
as you heard them on the video, he said, this
is going to be a lawsuit and you can count
on it. As you just say to his attorney, that's

(42:15):
a violation of his Fourth Amendment rights. And they have
a federal lawsuit against him as it relates to this,
and they will be in their best interest to drop
those charges against him, for sure.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I don't understand how he can even still be facing charges.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Joy.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I mean, this is a massive screw up. They should
be saying, hey, please, pretty please don't sue us, drop
everything because we don't have to pay him some serious
money with apologies.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Who's the prosecutor drop this case. I'm sure that is
what will happen. But here's the thing. I was disturbed
even before the dog came out. Why did they approach
this car with guns blazing like that? I mean, every
time it's a black person, every time there's a black person,

(43:01):
it feels like an over response multiple people. I can't
but have to watch it again and see how many
cop cars were there, But I mean, guns blazing, and
where's the compassion? Because to be honest with you, when
you know that you have not done anything wrong and
you have people coming at you with guns out and

(43:23):
a dog which is threatening, and you know that you
have done nothing wrong, that is hurtful and that is infuriating.
You're just trying to go home. They need to drop
this case and we need to re evaluate the dignity
that has shown black people in this country because it
is sincerely.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Lacking absolutely moshed off of go ahead.

Speaker 15 (43:46):
I mean, it is what we talk about. It is
about stripping power away from folks of color. It is
about the dehumanization. I am very aware that it is
difficult to be a member of law enforcement, but this
same time, you have to also understand that you cannot
strip away people's civil rights, their human rights, and we

(44:07):
continue to see this time and time and time again.
I'm also reminded of how folks have used certain types
of dogs to threaten us. We've all known and seen
with the civil rights movement, but not just civil rights movement.
There have been other protests where folks have brought dogs in,
you know, to push people back, to attack them, to
make sure that they understood that you don't have any

(44:29):
power in this situation. At any time, we can release
this animal to attack someone who we see as less
than human. So we've got to understand all the various
dynamics that are at play here, because you know, it
is about mentally, spiritually, and physically stripping away a person's
humanity when we see these types of situations. So yes,

(44:50):
there will be a case that moves forward, and yes,
this individual will find some form of renumeration. But you
can never give somebody back that dignity that you drip
from them. You can never make them not be afraid
the next time that there is an officer that's in
their vicinity, following behind them, or whatever the situation may be.
So you can never return that to this individual, but

(45:12):
you can, as we say, hit them in the pockets
to make sure that they do something in these police departments.
One strengthening whatever particular system that they have and the
information that's in there, but also on how you engage
underneath the paradigm of serve and protect.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Well, and that's the thing right there, Junkquell, just these
cops decisions and what was still as crazy is and
they go, oh my bad, it was a mistake. I
remember that was another story. It was volving a black
cop where she punched in the wrong number and they
had guns drawn. He had scared the hell out of

(45:50):
the husband, the wife, his son. They think they were
returning from a basketball or football game. And I mean,
hell you can that's traumatic. And so I mean, even
if my bad ain't good enough, when you've had guns
put in your face and you've been slammed against, you know,
a hood of a car and handcuff in this case,

(46:11):
do was bitten by a dog? I mean, my bad,
Just don't cut it.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
It certainly doesn't. And frankly on that kind of trauma
could affect him for the rest of his life. And
that is why these lawsuits, these civil rights lawsuits, are
so important that I urge everyone in the community when
approached by law enforcement and you are dealing with these
kinds of cases where they have used excessive force, whether
that is tasing you or a dog being sick down you,

(46:41):
or the excessive force by the hands of them physically,
to seek counsel and seek it immediately so that they
can be sued. Because you're right, you know, your mental
health is at steak, right, your dignity is at steak.
How you even drive or operate will no longer be
the right. However, one of the ways that can assist

(47:04):
you is winning.

Speaker 9 (47:05):
A million down a lawsuit.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
It gets them that can't assist you in some way
and hopefully be a deterrence for these law enforcement agencies
and hold them accountable for their behavior.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
Well, I can say we all you also need to
be able to sue individual police officers. There has to
be some hit in the pocket for individual police officers.
And yes, we know that they were just being covered.
You know they would have some kind of professional insurance.
That's fine, but there's a reason why in every other profession,
when you're out there doing your work, if you're a doctor,

(47:39):
if you're a lawyer or whatever, you can be sued
from our practice, you can be sued for these mistakes.
We have got to change the equation when they're out
there thinking, how do I approach this person? Do I
approach them as if there are some kind of known
terrorists over a potential card theft? Or do I make

(48:00):
some inquiries before I get that far? Do I put
them face down in wet grass and trash? Do I
sick a dog on them? What is my responsibility and
what might be the consequences to me. We've got to
make sure that people just can't go get suspended, get reprimanded,

(48:22):
move on to the next town, or as if nothing happened.
There has to be something and it won't happen often.
It'll just take one or two people to change the equation, make.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Them rethink absolutely our folks, let's go to Alameda County, California. Way.
Federal judge has ordered the California DA there to review
more than thirty death penalty cases after uncovering evidence that
prosecutors may have wrongfully worked to systematically exclude black and
Jewish folks from juries of homicide cases. US District Court

(48:57):
judge Visit Tabria, there is strong evidence that quote, in
prior decades, prosecutors from the Alameda County District Attorney's Office
engage in a pattern of serious misconduct. Joining us right
now is the Alameda County DA Pamela Price, Pamela, glad
to have you back on the show. You know, folks

(49:18):
have been trying to recall and get you thrown out
of office. They were pretty damn quiet when this stuff
was happening under your predecessors.

Speaker 9 (49:26):
Absolutely, Roland, thank you for having me back. It is
clear that there were serious evidence or evidence of serious
misconduct by some of the deputies who served in this
office before I got here. When I was elected on
a reform platform, it was because our community did not
trust this office, had many questions about some of the

(49:50):
injustices that we had seen the double standard, and so
I came into the office with a mandate to clean
it up, to reform the offic to bring ethical and
culturally competent and compassionate service to the people of Alameda County.

(50:10):
And Judge Chombria's direction to me is consistent with the
direction that any ethical prosecutor would feel mandated to follow
in light of the evidence that we found in mister
Dykes's case.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
And so was this evidence? Was this discovered after you
took over and y'all begin to review cases?

Speaker 9 (50:31):
Absolutely? In January, Judge Chambria invited me to attend a
settlement conference that he was convening in the case of
Ernest Dyke's Mister Dykes was convicted of murder in nineteen
ninety five and sentenced to death, and Judge Chambria was
assigned the case. In California, we have a moratorium, I'm

(50:52):
a death penalty, so we have many people on death
row who still have the opportunity to appeal their sentences,
and mister Dykes had appealed his sentence to the federal court.
It was assigned to Judge Chambria and he invited me,
and once I got into the case, I assigned a
deputy to review the matter, and within a week she

(51:12):
found that there were these notes of prosecutors who appeared
clearly appeared to have targeted Jewish people and black people,
and removed them from serving on a jury. This is
a long kept secret. Unfortunately, in Alameda County, there were
other cases before me where death verdicts were overturned because

(51:35):
the remedy is to the verdict cannot stand if it
is constitutionally infirm, and so that had occurred, but none
of my predecessors had taken me appropriate action.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
One of the things that we often do not see
when these things happen, We don't see any action taken
against those prosecutors. There's a prosecutor in Kansas, Tara Morehead,
who has been just evil for four decades and forcing

(52:08):
confessions incahootes with road cops, and she now has to
give up her law license, give it up voluntarily because
she's going to get disbarred. Does your office plan on
going to the state bar and actually seeking the disbardment
of any of these previous prosecutors and forbidding them for
practicing law.

Speaker 9 (52:28):
Not at this time. Fortunately, all of the people whom
we believe engaged in the misconduct left the office before
I was elected some time ago. Some of them may
be deceased. We are not focused on them at this time.
Our focus is to assist the families because there's no
question that these folks committed these heinous crimes or crimes

(52:52):
that hurt other people. But the problem is it does
not matter if they did not get a fair trial.
We have to do right, and so our focus has
been on first and foremost supporting the victims and the
survivors or family members who thought these cases were over
thirty years ago, twenty years ago, and to get a
call out of the clear blue sky because of some

(53:15):
misconduct of prosecutors that now the case is reopened and
has to be reviewed. That's a terrible phone call again.
And so we first had to create a process by
which we could support the families of those who lost
their lives. And then ultimately it's our duty to cooperate
with the court and follow his direction and work with

(53:37):
defense counsel to identify what is the evidence, what is
the remedy, and how do we fix this long before
we get to trying to find these.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Prosecutors questions from the Pound, John Quill Your first, Yes.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
First, I'd just like to say that kudos to you
for turning over that evidence and stopping the cycle right
where it was happening. You know, as a prosecutor, and
I'm a former prosecutor, you have an oath to dout
to lead and and partially without fear favor, to do

(54:15):
justice right.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
And kudos to you for doing that.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
One of the things that as you alluded to initially
was that the proper remedy if this did happen is
overturning the case. And so thirty five potential cases to
be potentially overturned that would potentially have to be retried
or maybe some kind of lesser charges or sentence recommendations.

(54:43):
I mean, some people do plead to life sentences, however,
So I'm just wondering is there a plan in place
with if there is a boluminess of these trials that
have to be retried, is there a plan in place
to deal with that?

Speaker 9 (54:58):
Of course, yes, thank you, you You're absolutely correct. I
ran for this office in twenty twenty two and was
elected as a Minister of Justice, and I take very
seriously the mandate under the California State Bar rules that
a prosecutor is not an advocate is not simply an advocate.
A prosecutor is a minister of justice, and it is

(55:20):
my responsibility to make sure that the Constitution is followed
and is respected in every way and in every case.
And we have recognized thirty five cases is a huge
number of cases. These cases are old, some of the cases,
the case files are not complete. Some of the cases
we have not been able to identify the survivors or

(55:42):
to locate them. So I quickly convened a team and
Judge Chambert gave me the grace and the time to
work through that. We had to create a process to
identify and contact the victims, we had to create a
process to locate the files. And then we now have
a process in place where we are starting the review.

(56:04):
And Judge Johnbria has been very clear that this process
we are going to get to the bottom of this
and he wants to know who knew, who knew what when,
and we are fully committed to following that direction.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Joy.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
First of all, God bless you. We're so glad that
you are in this role. Two questions. Have you talked
to other prosecutors about your process and how they could
do the same, or why they should do the same.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Ie.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
You're focused, you're busy, but you know you're a woman
of power and influence, and I know that you won't
want to just stop here, have you, you know, offered
to talk to them about how they can show the
same level of leadership.

Speaker 9 (56:55):
Not At this time, I am one of only three
African American women elected prosecutors in the state of California,
and I'm newly elected. Still, so I am still very
much gaining the trust of the deputies in my office
who did work under my predecessors and changing the culture

(57:16):
in our office. And I often tell my law enforcement partners,
I don't tell you how to do your job, don't
tell me how to do mine, okay, And I won't
help you clean your house because I'm busy cleaning mind.
And so I will continue to clean my own house
and to manage my own organization in a way that
again comports with the Constitution and our ethical obligation to

(57:40):
protect public safety while advancing justice. That is the message
to my prosecutors. We do have compassion. We have compassion
for our victims, for our survivors, for our witnesses, and
we have to have compassion even for those who committed
the worst crime. Brian Stevenson says, none of us want
to be judged by the worst thing we've ever done.

(58:02):
And in California, we are moving away from the death penalty.
Our governor has declared a moratorium on the death penalty.
We have not executed anyone in more than a decade,
I believe. I believe twenty twenty was the last time.
But across the state, prosecutors are getting that message, and
most recently in Santa Clara County, which is one of

(58:24):
our neighboring counties, the district attorney in that office did
essentially say that he is going to move to remove
the death penalty sentenced from all of the cases in
his jurisdiction. He has fifteen cases. Our situation is a
little different. Obviously, we have thirty five cases.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
That we know about.

Speaker 9 (58:43):
We know that it could be more as we dig more.
We are prepared to follow the trail wherever it leads,
but we have to do that on a case by
case basis. We can't just do a blanket change. We
now have to evaluate because every conviction that is not constable,
situtionally solid, and did not comply with the mandate of

(59:05):
California law will have to be fixed.

Speaker 15 (59:10):
Mustapa Yestercntarity Price, thank you, and I'm just going to
leave it at thank you, and folks can fill in
the blank. You know, we often talk about a right
to a jury of our peers is enshrined in the constitution.
Can you share with folks how important it is to
actually be a part of a jury because lots of

(59:30):
times folks will find reasons not to participate, and for
me voting both that's important. And then the other side
of the equation is the jury the opportunity to actually
do your civic duty. So could you just share with
folks why that's important.

Speaker 9 (59:47):
Everything in the law depends on the jury. It is
the one place where everyday people can come together and
make a decision about how to hold someone in their
community accountable. As a trial lawyer for forty years, I
tried dozens hundreds of cases, both up and down in

(01:00:08):
the state of California and in federal court, and I
rarely had a jury that was diverse. But when I did,
and even when I didn't, I understood the value of
having diverse points of view. When people go in that
jury room, they need to understand some of the things
that have impacted the person who is accused of crime,

(01:00:29):
and is so important that there be some level of
cultural competence that helps people to understand the facts. And
you can't understand facts just based on one single life experience.
You have to have a diversity of thought, a diversity
of experience, a diversity of culture. All of that is

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case and continue the good work and keep us update
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on unfiltered All right, folks. Supreme Court will be hearing
oral arguments on another case dealing with the issue of abortion,
this time Idaho versus the United States. The issue is

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whether medical providers can give emergency abortion care under the
Emergency Medical Treatment and labor At the federal law requiring
hospitals to provide stabilizing treatment to patients who show up
in emergency rooms. Id Idaho has an abortion ban. It
only includes an exception to save the life of the

(01:04:40):
pregnant person. It contends that the law does not pre
empt its abortion ban because there is no conflict between
the state and federal law, since that federal law requires
physicians to do everything in their power to preserve the
life of both the pregnant person and the fetus. Brittan

(01:05:02):
de Luther is the director of Women's Initiative at the
Center for American Progress. She joins us right now, Sabrina,
glad to have you here, so so walk us through
this here, because we saw stories last week where women
showed up at an emergency room in Texas, they refused
her care. One of the women died as a result.

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And we're seeing hospitals that are saying, hey, we're handcuffed
by these state laws because we don't know if we
should treat these patients. If we make any make a
decision on the spot to actually abort the fetus, then
they could be prosecuted. And so some doctors are saying, hey,

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I can't do anything, and that's endangering the lives of folks.
And you would I thought these conservatives were pro life.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
That's a really great way to end it. And thank
you so much for having me.

Speaker 26 (01:05:57):
The heart of this case is about an antennae conflict
that Idaho's ner total abortion ban places. Physicians in Idaho's
neototal abortion ban says that abortion has outlawed every single
circumstance except for three very narrow instances, which, as you said,
includes the life of the patient. However, in TALA, the

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Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act says that stabilizing medical
treatment has to be provided to anyone that enters an
emergency department, even if they can't pay.

Speaker 7 (01:06:32):
And for forty years, for.

Speaker 26 (01:06:34):
As long as ONTALA has been around, abortion care has
always been considered stabilizing medical treatment. And this isn't a
workaround of the Dobb's decision, and it isn't you know,
something new.

Speaker 7 (01:06:48):
This has been going on for forty years.

Speaker 26 (01:06:50):
And the reality is that what the Idaho state legislator
could not have fathomed because of their political views is
that abortion care is healthcare, and abortions are sometimes necessary
to prevent the deterioration of health for a mother. And
at every point in this case, from when this case
started two years ago, physicians, medical associations, and provider advocacy

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organizations have submitted testimonies have provided evidence that what is
happening in Idaho and what requires of them from Intala
puts them in an irreconcilable conflict. And the people that
bear the consequences are patients, but also the internal health

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the entire health infrastructure.

Speaker 7 (01:07:38):
Of the state of Idaho.

Speaker 26 (01:07:40):
Since this ban has gone has been written over two
years ago, we've seen multiple maternity wars shutdown in rural
parts of Idaho, and we've seen one in five obstetricians
stop practicing. And what that means is Idaho's maternal mortality
rate has doubled.

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
And we've just seen how things like this.

Speaker 26 (01:08:02):
State abortion ban have made places like Idaho unsafe for
pregnant women. And the reality is that the Supreme Court
sides with Idaho, other states will see a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Similar prottern well, and that's really what we see here.
And then what you hear from conservatives from Republicans is that, oh, well,
the bottom line is everything is good, yeah, but they
can't explain one the increase.

Speaker 26 (01:08:28):
In depth, absolutely, and also just the increase in the
long term health consequences of a pregnant woman not getting
the care that she needs, you know, abortion care isn't
just necessary to save the life of someone. It could
be for reasons like preserving future fertility options, for preclamsia,

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for a coptic mola, pregnancies, for hemorrhaging that happens.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
Being pregnant is a dangerous situation.

Speaker 26 (01:08:55):
And women are really vulnerable to so many long term
health concepts, says And that's why this case is so
important because the outcome of Idaho versus the United States
impacts every single pregnant woman medical provider and then tallest
certified medical facility in the United States, regardless of abortion is.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
Legal in that state.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Questions from my panel Joya first.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
Well, first of all, thank you so much for being
on tonight, and I would want to give you time
to talk about CAP has another report out. I believe
this on how far people have to drive so don't
to get abortion services, which is really unbelievable, and how
it tracks with the poorest people in the nation. They

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have to travel the farthest to get abortion. Their reproductive
healthcare has been severely limited. But I also want to ask,
what are the implications outside of abortion to a bad
Supreme Court ruling here.

Speaker 26 (01:09:55):
That's a great question, and the implications are far reaching
and profound. We've already seen, as I mentioned, in the
state of Idaho, just a complete change to access to healthcare.
Maternity awards have shut down, one in five officers to
have stopped practicing. There are fifty percent less OBE guides
applying for training and to do their residency in Idaho,

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and half of all of the maternal care specialists in
idaoh have left.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
And that's because no one wants to practice in a state.

Speaker 26 (01:10:28):
Where your job is subjected to criminal and civil sanctions.
And this is a trend that we're seeing across the
entire United States that people just can't work in places
that criminalize their oath and criminalize their job.

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
And the people that are directly impacted by this, it's not.

Speaker 26 (01:10:49):
The Idaho state legislature, it's vulnerable pregnant women. And Idaho
already ranks last in the country for provider to patient ratio.
And what we'll see is just profound consequences on women's
access to basic healthcare, to maternity care, prenatal care, etc.

(01:11:11):
And another really important consequence that I feel like people
aren't talking enough about is about the potential for carveouts
to am TALA If the Supreme Court signs with the
Idaho state legislature, it'll send a message and create a
legal precedent for state legislatures to carve out in TALA

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for a variety of things. It could be based on
a population, it could be for high cost conditions.

Speaker 7 (01:11:41):
The list really goes on, and it's.

Speaker 26 (01:11:43):
Really scary because INTALA is the bedrock of emergency care
in the United States. It could be for aid related emergencies,
it could be for chronic conditions. State legislators can just
say I don't like that, I think we should take
it out. And pregnant people already be rendered second class citizens.
If the Supreme Court sides with Idaho, they will not

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have the same degree as seteral protections as anyone else.
And the horrific consequence is that even more populations and
even more conditions will be subjected to potential carveouts.

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
Jock, well, yes, so as, and thank you so much
for being here.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
Studies have shown, of course that African American women have
a high maternal mortality rate and actually one of the
highest in the world. And so with that being the case,
if in fact the Supreme Court does cite side with Idaho,
what effects disproportion or not will that have on minority

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women in their access to healthcare. While Press.

Speaker 26 (01:13:01):
Thank you so much for bringing it up, we are
absolutely in the midst of, and we have been for
a long time in a black maternal mortality crisis and
also a crisis of maternal morbidity, where even if someone
does survive birth, they have to endure long term health
consequences because the prenatal and postingal care they received, if anything,

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was so minimal and quite frankly pathetic.

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
And what will happen in Idaho versus.

Speaker 26 (01:13:30):
The United States is, of course, groups that have already
been given less access to care will suffer even more
and the impacts will be disproportionate.

Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
And what we're also dealing with is the criminalization of care.

Speaker 26 (01:13:47):
You know, we've already seen Brittany Watts being taken into
court in handcuffs because she was rejected from an emergency
department four times because she was going through a miscarriage.
And that's something that we don't talk about it enough
that yes, there will be horrific maternal health consequences, an

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increase in infant mortality, ies, et cetera. Because you know, black,
brown women are going to be the access the critical
access point will be even less.

Speaker 9 (01:14:18):
Than it is today.

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
But there's all to the fear of criminalization.

Speaker 26 (01:14:22):
People are not don't want to go to the hospital
anyway because of the discrimination and you know, sometimes just
violence that they're subjected to. Why would someone want to
go when they're scared that abortion might be illegal in
their state or they think that going to an er
department is now illegal in their state. And this issue

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really highlights the intersectionality of the criminal legal system and
how it is used now in an abortion context, and
as history is shown, it will be used disproportionately against
black and brown women. And that's why this case is
so important. That this case does not impact just Idaho,
it impacts every single pregnant person in the United States.

Speaker 15 (01:15:06):
Well Stapa, well Sabrina, thank you for everything you do
and everything that CAP does. You know, America has always
wanted to control women's bodies. We saw what they did
with black women, brown women, indigenous women, you know, for
hundreds and hundreds of years. Can we talk about the

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strategy for everyday people getting engaged to make sure that
we can get wins in this space because we often
talk and we should about the impacts that are happening
and the disparities. But there are a lot of folks
who want to know how do I get engaged and
how do I become a part of a movement for change.

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
That's such a great question. I'm so grateful that you
asked that.

Speaker 26 (01:15:49):
I think that hope is a RB and any situation
like this where the intersectionality of abortion access, the politicization
of dutary system so anbortionally impact marginalized communities for color,
this is such.

Speaker 7 (01:16:04):
A wonderful question to me.

Speaker 26 (01:16:06):
There are so many ways to get involved to improve
access to basic care for marginalized communities. Within this space
of abortion access, I think first, advocating for black women
led centers of care, whether it's dual care, community care,
et cetera, that allow people to safely access culturally competent

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and trauma informed services.

Speaker 7 (01:16:32):
And this is part of federal legislation and state legislation
has been happening across the country.

Speaker 26 (01:16:38):
I think second is, you know, across the country, we've
seen in red, Purple and plus states that abortion wins,
and we've seen far right state legislators do everything in
their power to make it really difficult to put a
ballot on the I'm sorry to put a ballot initiative

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on the agenda. And we've seen in states like Ohio
that people have really banded together, organized.

Speaker 7 (01:17:08):
And overcome those hurdles that state legislators have put in.

Speaker 26 (01:17:13):
And I do think that abortion access has become a
rallying cry for women across political ideologies in a way
that we haven't seen recently. And I'm really hopeful that
through storytelling, people can understand that, regardless of your zip
code and regardless of what party you come from, that

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lack of access to abortion care is lack of access
to healthcare.

Speaker 7 (01:17:40):
We have a really.

Speaker 26 (01:17:41):
Incredible storytelling series on our website that goes into four
medical providers in states of abortion bands and what it
means to provide care, what it means to be able
to be safe from criminal sanctions because of MTALA, and
what it means for them to turn away patients are
wait for their legal department to tell them, oh, now

(01:18:03):
it's okay. Your patient is bleeding out in front of
you and you're at the point of dying like they're
at the point of dying. Now you can operate and
abide by your oath. I think these are the stories
that need to be shared because it brings a lot
of other people to the table because this is not
this is not normal. And you know, providers and patients

(01:18:25):
deserve basic access to care, basic confidential communications. And that's
why again and Tala is so important for every person
in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
All Right, Dan, well, Serena, we appreciate it. Thank you
so very much for your perspective.

Speaker 7 (01:18:43):
Thanks a lot, Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
All right, look forward to having you back. All right, folks,
got to go to break. When we come back, we're
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Rich and also attacks on DEI from Hollywood screenwriter David
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Speaker 19 (01:21:43):
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Speaker 15 (01:21:48):
This is part of American history.

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Every time that people of color have made progress, whether
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This country just getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and
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Like this hit it.

Speaker 13 (01:23:17):
It's real.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
It really gets on my nerves when I see conservatives,
especially why conservatives say some of the most outlandish things
when it comes to comparing the plight of thug in
Chief Donald Trump to the revered veterans of the Black
Freedom Movement also known as the Civil Rights movement. Newton Gingrids,

(01:23:46):
the disgrace former Speaker of the House who should not
give anybody any marital advice whatsoever, was on the Fox
News and this idiot actually said this, I.

Speaker 15 (01:24:01):
Think in terms of the Court.

Speaker 16 (01:24:02):
Something that Speaker Mike Johnson said really struck home with
me when he said about the decision on whether or
not to help Israel and Ukraine that this is not
a game. Let me tell you, I am deeply worried
that tomorrow a totally corrupt judge and a totally corrupt

(01:24:24):
district attorney are going to try to put a former
Prisie of the United States, candidate of his party.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
And front runner in the polls in jail.

Speaker 16 (01:24:34):
Now, I think this is so horrendous that there has
to be some way to reach out to the Supreme Court.
I mean that this is literally like some of the
civil rights workers in Mississippi in the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 15 (01:24:48):
The New York system is now so.

Speaker 16 (01:24:50):
Deeply corrupted, and it is so bitterly, deeply anti Trump.
The absurdity of the judge's daughter who made millions and
millions of dollars doing anti Trump politics, and the judge
would like us to believe, much like Joe Biden, he
had no idea what his children were doing. I mean,
the whole thing, frankly resembles on the Waterfront standing Kubrick's

(01:25:13):
growing film. This is about corruption. It has nothing to
do with honesty. And what worries me is it's a
genuine threat to Donald Trump. I mean, I think any
step that would put him close to a New York
prison is an extraordinarily dangerous step, and I would hope
that there's some legal way to block it and make

(01:25:35):
sure that it never happens, because the thugs he's dealing
with are totally out of control, have total contempt for
the rule of law, and frankly are unworthy of being
in the office as.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
They hold new Gingridge literally set on Fox News with

(01:26:13):
a straight face and compared what this rich, privileged demon
possessed individual Donald Trump is dealing with in a New

(01:26:33):
York City courtroom is akin to what civil rights workers
went through in some of the most brutal conditions of
racial hatred in American history. Cheney, Schwarenner, and Gutman beaten,

(01:27:02):
shot to death, mutilated, bodies disposed. What's crazy is that
when the FBI was searching for their bodies, they uncovered
other bodies of folks who had been disposed of. When
we started talking about the homes of black people that

(01:27:25):
were blown up in Florida, in Mississippi, in Alabama, numerous places,
when we talk about folks who were brutalized, who were sandomized,
who were sexually assaulted, who were lynched, who had their

(01:27:51):
private parts cut off, you actually had the audacity to
crap on their legacy by comparing them to this Charlaton
who comes to court in a blue suit and a
long ass red tie, who comes in with secret Service protection,

(01:28:15):
who goes and sleeps in his ten thousand square foot home,
who travels to Florida on his private plane to mar
Largo to pal around with a bunch of other rich
ass folks and celebrate giving them tax breaks. You Knew Gingrich,

(01:28:36):
a so called historian, literally goes on the Fox News
and tries to compare with this shameless individual who paid
off a porn star who he cheated on with against
his wife, had his attorney Michael Cohen make the payments,

(01:28:58):
a man who has lied, who has cheated on his taxes,
who tried to overturn an election, who continues to lie
about the election, and you have the audacity to compare
him to black civil rights workers and white folks of
conscience around the country who were fighting for the right

(01:29:20):
to vote, Black people who were prevented from being a
part of the Democratic delegation at Atlantic City in nineteen
sixty four, the folks who were shut out of public
office all across Mississippi, the people who were condemned, who
were chastised, who had their crops destroyed, folks who were

(01:29:42):
thrown in jailed. When you talk about some of the
most heinous things, when you had black young folks put
in parchment prison, When you had a young black woman
who was viciously beaten so bad her face was double
the size of her face normally, her her eyes were
almost coming out of her head, her lip was busted

(01:30:04):
and All she could simply say was freedom. When they
sang songs in jails, when they came up missing, when
parents prayed if their kids would come home every single
night out of fear they would run into clansmen. You knew,
ging Rich, you have the audacity to invoke those people.

(01:30:27):
Shame on your punk ass for having the gall to
raise that all the things that black folks have done
in this country, putting lives on the line, and this sorry,
no good son of a bitch who couldn't even go
to the war because he faked so called a bonespurst

(01:30:47):
in his feet. The man who has shamed POW's the
man who has spit on the folks who have died
according to his four chieople's step John Kelly, when he
wouldn't even go to their graves. You literally raised that
when Army veteran Medgar Evers was shot and killed, assassinated

(01:31:09):
getting out of his car and he died on his
doorstep with his wife and children yelling and screaming, And
it was Byron Della Beckwith who actually did it. You
literally said that crap, Oh hell no, there's no way
in the world I could sit here as a conscious

(01:31:29):
black man and allow you knewt Gingrich, a truly pathetic
individual to invote those people. They are American heroes, They
are American she rose, They are the individuals who made
this country and truly live up to as the King said,
be true to what you put on paper. And you

(01:31:51):
are not going to sit there on Fox News and
make that type of comment and invoke their name and
their fight and their legacy to compare it to this, Yes,
son of a bitch, Donald Trump, because that's exactly what
he is. That man has no morals, no valuables, no values,

(01:32:12):
no principles, no ethics. He stands for nothing, He fights
for nobody. He only cares about himself. And you sit
here and actually say, somebody need to call Supreme Court
to put a stop to this.

Speaker 24 (01:32:24):
I thought y'all can about law and order. I thought
y'all care about what's right. Y'all sure as hell wanting
to put Hillary Clinton in jail. But I hope everybody
now understands what we're dealing with. So all y'all folks
out there who are like, hey, you know what, I
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(01:32:44):
interviews Donald Trump Junior and talks about Oh, I like
how he talks tough, that man, don't give a damn
about you and nobody else. And New Gingrich you say that, nah, nah,
you were not going.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
To even remotely associate those heroes with this gutless piece
of crap. And that's who Donald Trump is, Mustafa.

Speaker 15 (01:33:19):
You know, Donald Trump is devoid of light. It's like
a black hole that continues to pull everything because its
gravitational pool becomes stronger and stronger and stronger because it's
feeding on the energy around him. And for New Gingrich,
who has been around for a long time and who
has actually seen talented individuals who may have been in

(01:33:40):
the Republican Party to continue to uplift this individual who,
as you said, cares about no one speaks volumes about
where their party currently is and how if they don't
begin to address it, that it will continue to unravel
this country. So you know, there's nothing wrong with being

(01:34:00):
supportive of a party if it is not doing things
to deconstruct, to bring havoc, to actually put people's lives
in danger. You know, Donald Trump has never had to
sacrifice for anything, but has sacrificed many individuals for his
own personal gains and for new Gingridge to continue to

(01:34:20):
feed into this once again speaks to how the particular
party at the moment moral compass is broken at best
or no longer has any moral value to add to
this democratic thing that we are trying to figure out
how we get it right. So, you know, I hope
folks will educate themselves, and I hope that they will

(01:34:43):
begin to actually look for individuals who are focused on
trying to uplift our country, who are trying to make
sure that those who have never had a voice now
have a voice, and try and make sure that we're
creating something better for our children and our children's show.
But by the current sets of activities that are doing
their falling short at best, Donald.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Trump has absolutely no redeeming value whatsoever, joy not one.
And the reason this even ticks me off because when
I talk about the black civil rights workers, when you
talk about Fanny lou Hamer, when you talk about Bob Moses,
when you talk about all these individuals, it's not just
black people. It's so many other folk who put their

(01:35:28):
lives on the line, who actually were willing to stand
up and fight to end Jim Crow, to end segregation
in this country, and so this so called fight Donald
Trump is in paying off a porn star. You can't
even remotely compare that to the battle against Jim Crow.
Go to my iPad, Henry. This is a white man,
y'all who on this day in nineteen sixty three. His

(01:35:51):
name is William Moore. He was from Mississippi, but he
had moved to Baltimore. He was found dead, as you say,
see right here. This is from the Equal Justice Institute.
On April twenty third, nineteen sixty three. William L. Moore
was found dead on US Highway eleven near Attala, Alabama,
four day shot of his thirty sixth birthday. He was

(01:36:12):
a white man in the midst of a one man
civil rights march to Jackson, Mississippi, to implore Mississippi Governor
Ross Burnett to support integration efforts. He wore signs that
read in segregation in America, Eat at Joe's both Black
and White, and equal Rights for All Mississippi or a bus.
He was a resident of Baltimore, a member of the
Congress of Racial Equality. On his first protest, he walked

(01:36:36):
to Annapolis, Maryland from Baltimore. On his second march, he
walked to the White House for what proved to be
his final march. He planned his walk from Chattanooga, Tennessee,
to Jackson Donald Trump in nowhere any way, anyhow, Joy
should ever be mentioned in the same breath as this
courageous white man William Moore.

Speaker 6 (01:36:58):
That's right, And keep in mind, was an older man,
so he's not talking about a bygone era that he
doesn't remember. He was a contemporary of some of these
civil rights leaders, champions, people who marched, or who was
immediately their junior right, immediately the inheritor of that generation.

(01:37:20):
And while he often tries to erase it from his resume,
he started off as a Rockefeller Republican, right, a more
moderate Republican the era that we don't even think about now.
Mister Rockefeller would be appalled and who he has become
and would have known at that time, as the young

(01:37:42):
knew at that time that Donald Trump and anyone in
his league, including the current version of Newt Gingrish, are
not fit to utter the names across their lips of
any of the people who died, who fought, who bled
who during the civil rights movement.

Speaker 15 (01:38:02):
He ought to be ashamed of.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Himself, John Quail, He's from Georgia. He knows better now.
If he wants to look like a fool and go
defend Donald Trump, I don't care. You can do whatever,
but what you're not gonna do is invoke civil rights
workers in Mississippi in the sixties and nobody say a thing.

Speaker 9 (01:38:32):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
That was another difficult thing to watch, right because the
civil rights movement. You know, Donald Trump has during the
course of his campaign, has made references about why the
Blacks support him, right is because he is facing discrimination
by all of these lawsuits. However, the civil rights movement,

(01:38:58):
we were fighting for basic humane rights. Right, the ability
to walk in the front of a restaurant, the ability
to be able to sit and eat at a restaurant
with people that look diverse to us. Right, the ability
to attend universities, to be a part of anything. Right

(01:39:21):
to be able to do We were fighting to be
able to do anything, to even be able to drink
from the same water fountains as someone else.

Speaker 20 (01:39:29):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
And amongst others, you know, you have Emmit Till, which
was a teenager that was castrated and dragged by vehicles,
and so you know, it's very difficult to watch. It's
very insulting to even make that comparison for the two
shouldn't even be in the same sentence, because you're comparing

(01:39:53):
someone who is privileged and someone who has committed crimes
allegedly right until he's found guilty, and he's going through
the criminal justice system like everyone else that commits crimes.
But you can't compare these crimes that he is being
prosecuted for with us fighting for basic human rights. There's

(01:40:19):
nothing similar. And frankly, you know the fact that there
are any types of mentions that black people support him
because of the discrimination that he's facing is it's a
horrific thing to even have to listen to or to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Well, actually, it's insane. All right, folks, I've got to
go to break. We come back. We're going to talk
about David Mammott and his outlandish to take on DEI,
which I play for y'all what he had to say,
and I got a couple of things to say to
him as well. But before we go to that, when
I had my last book signing, of course, had my

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Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Isn't amazing to keep listening to white men whine and
complain about diversity, equity and inclusion. Well, recently, screenwriter David
Mamett did show at the Los Angeles Book Festival, and
he really sounded like a complete ass with this whining.
And so I saw this story and I said, oh

(01:45:33):
my goodness, we got to go ahead and play for
this because I got a few words.

Speaker 27 (01:45:37):
Check this out you sort of allude to the idea
that it's possible that the sort of pendulum has shifted
too far, and that you know, there are people who
say agree with you, who are sort of boxed out
because of the sort of because of the thinking behind diversity,

(01:46:04):
equity inclusion initiatives is do you feel like it is
putting limits on the quality of the work or on
other you know, other groups like making an impact in Hollywood.

Speaker 13 (01:46:22):
I don't know what. I don't know what groups make
an impact in Hollywood, right. No, people talk about movies
and the movies have to change our lives. Nobody, No
movie ever changed anybody's life. They're flickering images on a screen.

Speaker 12 (01:46:34):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:46:35):
They existed originally so that we could go sort of
some some jew who got tired of being a tailor
would put up a screen and they would show the movie,
and eventually they came out here and started the movie business.
They're going to entertain us. I don't need someone to
educate me. It's the same thing as a sign that
says gender neutral bathroom. What's the difference between gender neutral

(01:46:55):
bathroom and bathroom? Who does bathroom?

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
So?

Speaker 13 (01:47:00):
What does gender neutral bathroom do? Right? It politicizes the
human excratory function. It's the same thing with DEI. It's
you know, it's fascist totalitarianism. Leave me a fucking loan, That's.

Speaker 18 (01:47:15):
What I say.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
So he actually said a lot more than that. The
folks of the La Times actually have a story on
that where he talked about a variety of things, and
so one of the things he said that go to
my iPad Henry. He talked about the Academy Awards now
requiring having some diversity standards. He goes the idea that

(01:47:39):
I can't give you a stupid efing statue unless you
have seven percent of this, eight percent of this. It's intrusive. Now.
It says here that Matt acknowledge that discrimination bard groups
form participating in Hollywood for years. He thinks the pendulum
has swung too far in the opposite direction. He describes
the leaders of these diversities, equity and inclusion initiatives as

(01:48:02):
diversity capos and diversity commissars, and I love this here.
The film industry has little business improving everybody's racial understanding,
as does the fire department. Mat Matt said to a
few loud laughs in the crowd. He argued that his
colleagues are better off selling popcorn than trying to improve
representation for women, queer talent, and other marginalized groups. Okay,

(01:48:26):
complain about bathrooms. We heard that, and then he went
on to talk about some other deals. But he's also
was interesting. Does Mat Matt think all of it, think
of his children as nepo babies who benefited from his
illustrious career. Not at all, he said. He feels gratified
that they've learned from being on set with him. Quote

(01:48:49):
they earned it by merit, he said of daughter Zojia Mamett,
who starred in Girls. They haven't benefited from any type
of privilege, he said, and he thinks that DEI Initiative
are taking away hard earned opportunities. Quote. Nobody ever gave
my kids a job because of who they were related to. Okay,

(01:49:13):
allow me to unpack this, so I'll start here. You
heard in the clip he talked about how a Jew
created Hollywood, how they came out West. In fact, there's
a book that's really a great book, which an award
winning book is called an Empire of their Own. It's

(01:49:34):
how the Jews interfered Hollywood. Fantastic book takes you through
the history of Hollywood. But you know what's going to
happen when you read that book. You're going to read
about how those same founders of Hollywood actually had considerable
racism in Hollywood, how they froze out African Americans, not

(01:49:56):
just in front of the camera, but behind the camera.
Those say individuals blocked advancement of African Americans. The early
portrayals of black folks. You have folks in blackface, white
actors in blackface, and then when you did have black actors,
you had them as some of the most clueless individuals.
Tolkien like this, and then you old So had to

(01:50:18):
black people who just played maids and Butler's Yep, that
was that same Hollywood, and those things continued through the decades.
You begin to see these things change when you begin
to see advancement with civil rights. But see, here's the
thing that's interesting that you would think a screenwriter who's

(01:50:42):
seventy six years old would understand. Do you realize that
movies and music is really America's greatest export. What I
mean by that is, as we do this show right now,
there are people who are watching this show who are
not in the United States. There are people in this show.

(01:51:02):
Who are watching in India, who are watching in the UK,
who're watching from Canada, who are watching from Jamaica or
the Bahamas, who are watching from different countries. I pulled
up the YouTube dashboard. I will show you the folks
who are watching all around the world. And do you
know what media has done? Media has actually shaped the

(01:51:24):
perspective of how people view Americans through the mediums. And
so if you lived overseas in the forties and the
fifties and the sixties and seventies and eighties and the
nineties of the present day, your view of America was
shaped through what you saw in the movies. This is

(01:51:46):
the same Hollywood that when Twelve Years of Slave came out,
she would tell was removed from the poster overseas and
Brad Pitt was put on the poster. I'm sorry, wasn't
he would tell Eagier four the star of the film
because he was the one who was twelve years of Slave.

(01:52:09):
So even in that movie, he took the brother off
and put Brad Pitt on. Because for so long Hollywood say, yeah,
we can't market black people overseas, we can't market black movies.
But two thirds of the world is people of color
h that thing called racism in Hollywood. And so what

(01:52:29):
David says here is that I think the pendulum has
swung too far. I'm sorry. You mean to tell me
when you have movies that are largely and when I
say largely, i'm talking eighty and ninety percent directed by
white men, and then when you have all white writers' rooms,

(01:52:50):
and then when you have all white production rooms, and
when you have folk who hire their friends and they
lock people out, I'm sorry, Explain to me the pendulum
has swung. Let me help y'all out. If the pendulum
is over here and it's ninety percent white, if you

(01:53:12):
say the pendulum has swung too far, that means it's
now ninety percent black Latino. That's not the case. See. Really,
what David is saying is, damn it, we don't have
all the jobs anymore. Damn we now gotta compete. They

(01:53:34):
now are creating programs that are forcing us to have
to now talk to other people who don't look like
us in order for them to get hired. And it
is driving white people crazy. There's a reason I wrote
my book White Fear. How the brownie of Americas make
it white folks lose their minds because they now have

(01:53:56):
to compete. And so David met Mett, who's seventy six
years old. He can't stand the fact that a young
black writer who in the history of Hollywood was frozen
out and the only way he could get onto a
lot was if there was a broom in his hand,
now has access. See. He says in here that, oh,

(01:54:25):
it's taking away hard earned opportunities. Really really, In the
same breath, how he says his kids earned it. Watch
me now, watch me now? His kids earned it by

(01:54:46):
merit from being on set with him. So you mean
daddy brought daughter to work every day or sons to work.
They now have access to the system because of daddy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Let me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
But then he says, nobody ever gave my kids a
job because of who they were related to. Do y'all
understand that the best way for you to get a
job in the NFL, to be a coach is to

(01:55:30):
be related to one. The tree of NFL coaches that
are sons and nephews of other coaches is tremendous. It
even happens in the booth the broadcast booth. Phil Simms,
followed by his son Chris Simms who flamed out at quarterback,

(01:55:53):
but now he's a top announcer. More of a folks
named Albert who announcers, more people named Buck who announcers.
How many black people David have an opportunity to come
to the set every day. And let's just be real,
David Mamett, I think that's how your name is pronounced.

(01:56:15):
Is a legendary screenwriter? Are you trying to convince me
that if your last name was Mamett and you asked
for a meeting in Hollywood, the first question they would
not ask is is your daddy? David? You damn right,
you're going to get a meeting. Oh, you're probably gonna

(01:56:36):
get a meeting because you are going to receptions and
parties with your daddy, And you now are meeting the
elite of Hollywood. You're now meeting the folks who green
light films. You're now meeting the folks who produce films.
You're meeting the folks who direct films. And so there's
no doubt that they are going to hook up David

(01:56:57):
Mamett's daughter with an opportunity because of who her daddy is.
And see, I love this here, I love this they
learned from me. They learned from me of being on
set every day. Quote, they earned it by merit. Michael

(01:57:23):
Jordan had sons. He's arguably the greatest basketball player ever.
They sat next to him every day. They went the
games with Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's sons can't play like

(01:57:43):
Michael Jordan. So this idea that just because your kids
came with you, just somehow that makes them amazing and
highly talented because they came to work with you. See
what the David Mametz don't want to confront is your

(01:58:07):
family is getting the hookup because of you. In Hollywood
is all about the hookup. Who do you know what
the mad Mets cannot stand. See, I'm staying on that
the pendulum has swung too far, y'all. This is the pendulum.
This is how Forrest Wong old Man go back. This

(01:58:31):
is the pendulum. This is how Forrest Wong not here,
not halfway, not here, not here, it was here in
this swing right here. Oh, they're taking away hard earned opportunities.

(01:58:53):
What the haters of d I don't like is that
they have had this thing to themselves. Y'all. I'm in
the media business. You think I'm lying if I asked
Henry to come out here right now and say, Henry,

(01:59:14):
you worked in production for thirty years? Who in DC?
You've worked at all of these places, NBC, ABC, CBSC, SPAN,
all of these people when we had the TV one
show y'all over at when during TV one we contracted
the studio out with News Channel and I was in
there one day to mind you we'll TV we you know,

(01:59:35):
we're black on network And I'm sitting here and I
had to ask the question, why it's nearly everybody I
see as a technician non black. Now, we had a
couple of black folks who ran cameras for the folks
in audio, the folks in video playback, the folks in lighting,

(01:59:57):
the folk in other is of production. There were very
few people because you know why, Cas and so will say, well,
I got a buddy, I got a buddy. I got
a buddy. That's how jobs get filled. We frozen out
of those economic opportunities. Very few African Americans. Look, and

(02:00:19):
I'm gonna be straight up, when we launt this show,
all of my audio technicians were black. I said, Henry,
you gotta tell my man, he gonna go have to
fire some black hire some black people to train them
how to do audio. Here's my whole point. You cannot

(02:00:40):
change the game unless you bring in folk, and you
can't depend on folks good nature to do it. John Landgraf,
who is the president of FX, he said that I've
talked about him beforehand. John Landgraf saw it. He said,
I cannot have ninety percent of my showrunners and directors

(02:01:06):
being white men. He said. Quote. I love my white men,
he said, but my job is to produce content for
a diversified audience. If all of my content, if all
of my writers, by showrunners, my directors are coming from
the same perspective, then I'm not going to be able

(02:01:26):
to appeal to a broader audience and they will not
be able to watch my shows. Therefore, my ratings will
not be able to go up. My shows will not
win awards, I will not be able to generate ratings,
I will not be able to increase advertising, and then
I'm going to be out of a job. So Jan
John Langrev said this got the change. Within a year,

(02:01:48):
numbers had changed because you know what happened, because they
were forced to do so. They were forced to go
talk to women, white women, they were forced to go
fine and the black folks Latinos. Chris Rock called out
Lord Michael's at Saturday Night Live. Chris Rock said, y'all

(02:02:12):
keep going to the same two places to get the
same people to be on Saturday Night Live. Y'all go
to Second City, or y'all go to the same white
comedy clubs. He said, y'all don't go to the black
comedy clubs. Y'all don't see the amazing black talent, he said,
because y'all keep going to the same people and the
same places. Chris said, y'all are gonna gonna have to

(02:02:34):
go to some other places in order to do that.
I don't have the name of it right now, y'all
find it for me. But that was a famous black
comedy club in Los Angeles. And guess what all the
white comedy clubs laugh in laugh factory. That's for all
the white comics. The black commics couldn't go there. If
you go to actually, if you go to Amazon Prime Video,
I think it's Amazon or Hulu. My man a guy toward.

(02:02:57):
They have a documentary called Fat Tuesdays. Because what happened
was us the Black Comedy club where Robin Harris was.
That's where all the black talent was. They couldn't get
to the white comedy club. It FROs out of the
white comedy clubs. It's save for a few black people.
God Tory created fact Tuesday, which allowed the black comedians
to have one night and for the white talent folk

(02:03:21):
to come see them. That's how many of them got shows.
If God doesn't create that, then you don't put them
in front of the folk who are picking the people
to do television shows, sitcoms, and movies and also field writers' rooms.
See the David Matt Metz. What they can't stand is
they can't stand the fact that what the Academy is

(02:03:42):
now saying is y'all have to do this. We're gonna
force you to do this, because David, we can't depend
on folk doing this thing the right way. And that's
really what DEI does. And see this is very simple
to anybody white who opposes the EI, do the right thing,

(02:04:05):
do the right thing. See now, don't come talk to
me about hard earned opportunities. How some folks getting frozen
out when y'all been freezing us out for more than
one hundred years. Now, all of a sudden, y'all want
to talk about Merrick. Now, all of a sudden, y'all
want to talk about Oh, so and so deserves it?

(02:04:29):
Do you really want to have that conversation? The number
of talented, smart black people who were kept out of
medical schools, kept out of law schools, kept out of writers' rooms,
kept off of the stage, kept all of numerous jobs,
and now, all of a sudden, a couple of black
people and latinos. And let's be real clear, the greatest

(02:04:53):
beneficiary of DEI has been white women. Now because the
room is no law longer white male faces. Oh my god,
the pendulum has simply swung too far? Really, is that
what you're saying now? A lot of these DII initiatives

(02:05:13):
are bs because the leadership is not fully committed to
making it possible. Nelson Peltz, who was one of these folks,
invested he was trying to take down Bob Igre at Disney.
Why don't have to see movies with all female casts?
Why don't have to see movies with all black casts?
But your white ass sure didn't mind them black dollars
for Black Panther when it hit a billion dollars see y'all.

(02:05:41):
He was upset because they said maybe we should start
making movies and folks actually see themselves on it and
they might be interested. Everybody swore Barbie was going to
be a massive failure. It's two famous you know what's

(02:06:03):
not feminists green? You know what not racist green. It's
amazing how money sure can change a lot of people's view.
But here is the crazy thing about Hollywood, David Mamet.
A study was done that said Hollywood could generate an

(02:06:25):
additional ten billion dollars a year if they embrace diversity.
And they're still people fighting it. So what does that
tell you? What they're saying is well, hell, if that
means more money, we still don't give it. Dawn. And
the last point before I go to my panel on this,
and that is I need y'all to understand that DEI

(02:06:49):
only works when leadership says it's a priority, when leadership
says this is going to happen. So, David Mamet, if
you don't like the standards that the Academy has put in,
why don't you sit down with your friends who are
writers and showrunners and directors and producers and studio heads

(02:07:10):
and say, why have y'all been blacking black and Latino
and Asia, Native American and white female talent all these years.
Why is this the boys club? Why do we have writers'
rooms from movies to comedy movies where they only would
go to the hasty pudding at Harvard and draft them.
They wouldn't go to some of the great HBCUs say, man,

(02:07:33):
there's some funny people writing down here. No, they will
only go to the folks who were there at Harvard.
That became literally, if you wrote there, you got hired
in Hollywood. It was just automatic. They have been freezing
us out of the opportunities and the money for decades.

(02:07:53):
And the David mametz are now mad because the door's open.
You say, well earned its real simple, James Brown said
it best. Don't hand me nothing, open the door and
get it myself. The David Mamettes of the world hate

(02:08:14):
the fact that the door is now opened. Well, guess what, David,
we here and when that door gets cracked open, we
gonna swing that some bitch real wide, and we're gonna
bring in a whole bunch of folk with us. And
you know what else, David, We now have access to

(02:08:37):
our own platforms we don't have to go through the
traditional Hollywood film industry. Ask George Lucas when he made
Red Tails, George Lucas, mister star Wars, George Lucas, George
four billion dollar Lucas. He literally went to the top

(02:08:58):
the Big seven, and every single Hollywood studio turned him
down because they said Red Tales did not not have
white heroes. And George Lucas said, but the heroes are
the black soldiers, and they said, we need white heroes,

(02:09:20):
and that is why George Lucas invested sixty million dollars
of his own money to finish Red Tales. And George
Lucas is on the record. They're saying, I now know,
for a very small moment what it feels like to
be a black director in Hollywood and have the door

(02:09:40):
slammed in front of you because the heroes of your
movie are not white, they are black. But I guess
David Mamett, I guess he didn't read that story because
probably if you're talking about black subjects, he's not interested.

(02:10:01):
Final comment from my panel, John Quill, You first, well, you.

Speaker 6 (02:10:07):
Know the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (02:10:07):
But DEI is that there's this assumption that because the
door is open, that you lack the skills and the
talent to do that job and be the best at
that job. I think that's one of the things that's
left out quite often. And secondarily, media is one.

Speaker 7 (02:10:24):
Of the most powerful.

Speaker 9 (02:10:27):
Forms of influence in the world.

Speaker 5 (02:10:30):
Right we're talking about television, film, music.

Speaker 6 (02:10:34):
I mean these what is.

Speaker 5 (02:10:35):
Portrayed on television, what we consume on a daily basis,
affects how we view each other, and it affects how
others across the world view us. And it is very
important that there is diversity on screen, and that I
respectfully disagree with his sentiments about movies don't change people lives.

(02:11:00):
There are people that have there's articles that I have
written where music has saved people, Movies, television series have
saved people. People have learned emergency techniques from the media
just from watching scripted television shows. And so I just
said all that to say that diversity is important.

Speaker 7 (02:11:20):
And just like you stated, just because the door is open,
you're just.

Speaker 9 (02:11:24):
Giving me the opportunity.

Speaker 5 (02:11:26):
But that does not mean that I am not the
most qualified to do that job.

Speaker 6 (02:11:33):
Joy, let me tell you, the door isn't open far enough,
but it's open just enough for us to know what
to do with people like David David, I wish you
difficult times in getting your movies made. Not only is
he a screenwriter, he's also a director who would want

(02:11:56):
to work with a person like that. If you are
over one of these major productions, you are an employer
who would believe that he is not discriminating against them
with language and talk like that. Any insurance company that's
looking to support one of his films should think twice.

(02:12:20):
David is a from a bygone era and maybe his
last movie has been made well.

Speaker 1 (02:12:27):
Stava closes out.

Speaker 15 (02:12:29):
Black excellence and black talent has always scared many people
in America. As we came out of the reconstruction period,
then they began to create these films like Birth of
a Nation, first one ever shown at the White House,
that began to reframe who we are and our experiences
and the value that they did not see us bringing

(02:12:51):
to America. Then you fast forward to modern times. You know,
we remember the words of Miss Fanny Lituhamer when she
said I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
That is a set of experience. Is that many people
of color in Hollywood had to go through. No matter
how talented they were, no matter how excellent they were,
they still couldn't get the sets of opportunities. But the

(02:13:12):
pendulum is slowly swinging, and we find opportunities now, as
you said, on so many different types of platforms, to
make sure that people cannot deny the excellence that we
bring forward, the ingenuity, the innovation. So as we have
always when we began to make progress, folks have tried
to find ways, either both subtenly or in your face,

(02:13:35):
to slow that down. But not no longer are you
going to be able to do that, because we are
going to not only embrace our excellence, but we're going
to make sure that the world knows it in every
form and fashion that it exists.

Speaker 1 (02:13:47):
Gotta love it. The pendulum has sworn too far, all right,
Joy Mustafa, John quill astually appreciate y'all being on today's show.
Thank you so very much, folks. That is it for us.
I want to overlook time, but I need to take
some time to smack some folks around because I just
want you all to understand this is why this show matters.

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Speaker 9 (02:16:19):
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