SCOTUS Tackles Unhoused Crisis, Fla. Former Felons Voting Rights, Mental Health v Illness

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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Today's Monday Eightpril twenty second, twenty twenty four, coming up
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The Supreme Court confronts.

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The nations homeless this crisis by hearing arguments about the
legality of local laws used against people camping.

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Public streets and parks.

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Will talk to Center for American Progresses, Senior director of
Courts and Legal.

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Policy, about today's cool arguments.

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In Alabama, a proposed law making June teen, eighth state
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The Supreme Court heard arguments today on whether ticketing homeless
people is cruel and unusual and violates the Eighth Amendment
of the US Constitution. City and state officials across the
country are closely watching the case, which will decide whether
the homeless have the right to camp in public places.
People who live in these encampments are also following the

(03:31):
case as they are concerned about efforts to criminalize the
population rather than build shelters and affordable housing. The case
is the City of Grant's Pass versus Johnson, which was
brought by several involuntarily homeless people in Grant's Past, Oregon,
who challenge the city's ban on public camping. Just as

(03:53):
Sonya and Sodomor griells Grant's Pass, Organ's attorney being evangelist,
why cite officials want to enforce criminal penalties for the unhoused.

Speaker 10 (04:05):
Say, only homeless people who sleep outdoors will be arrested.
That's the testimony of your chief of police and two
or three officers, which is, if you read the crime,
it's only stopping you from sleeping in public if you

(04:26):
for the purpose of maintaining a temporary place to live,
and the police officers testify that that means that if
a stargazer wants to take a blanket or a sleeping
bag out at night to watch the stars and fall asleep,
you don't arrest them. You don't arrest babies who have

(04:48):
blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping
on the beach, as I tend to do if I've
been there a while. You only arrest people who don't
have a second home, is that correct, Well, who don't
have a home.

Speaker 11 (05:05):
So no, these laws are generally applicable, they apply to it.

Speaker 10 (05:08):
Yeah, that's what you want to say. Give me one example,
because your police officers couldn't and they explicitly said if
someone has another home as a home and is out
there and happens to fall asleep, they won't be arrested
fall asleep with something on them.

Speaker 11 (05:27):
Well, join Appendix, page ninety eight is one example of
a citation issued to a person with a home address.
But more importantly, I think what we're getting at here
is that these laws regulate conduct of everyone. There's nothing
in the law that criminalizes homelessness.

Speaker 10 (05:41):
I really that's what you say. But if I look
at the record and see differently.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Devon Mbre is the Scene director of Courts and Legal
Policy for the Center for American Progress, joins us from Washington, DC.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Devon, glad to have you here.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
So, I mean, that was a great line of questioning
right there from just sort of by your because laws
need to be specific. In what she was getting at
is if somebody just accidentally falls asleep, what are you
going to ticket them?

Speaker 12 (06:14):
People following asleep, well, on a picnic at a park,
can we ticket them? Not sure how far this could extend,
And she makes some really great points that this law
general applicability so called, doesn't actually do what it says.
It is specifically aimed at unhoused people, not just average

(06:36):
people on the street.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
What was being said by the other justices, especially the conservative.

Speaker 12 (06:42):
Justices, it was interesting to listen because the thing that
struck me was a lot of the lack of compassion
that was elicited from the Chief Justice, because he was
seeming to implicate that just being in a shelter for
one night erases the status of being homeless, and the

(07:03):
litigator for the individual plaintiffs were saying, being unhoused is
not having a permanent address, and being put into a
shelter or obtaining shelter for one or two nights, even
a week, does not obviate the problem of being unhoused
and homeless because it doesn't change their status. As soon

(07:25):
as they lose access to that shelter, they become unhoused
homeless again, and they are subject to these laws and
they're escalating fines. The first fine is two seventy five,
the next fine is six hundred dollars. A recidivist found
outside sleeping outside multiple times will be criminally trespassed and

(07:46):
can be jailed for up to thirty days. And this
is essentially a re establishment of debtors prisons that were
gotten rid of hundreds of years ago at this point.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
So, I mean, obviously you have a lot of cities
that have been dealing with this. You hear folks in
San Francisco, you hear folks in Los Angeles talk about
these different things. And as always, whenever we're having these
discussions about why something is happening, very rarely do we
want to deal with the root cause of this. We

(08:19):
really want to focus just on that and of itself.
So you talk about homelessness, you have to deal with, well,
how many of those folks are actually dealing with mental illness,
which then gets at the lack of funding for mental illness,
which gets at the cutting of funds of the last
twenty twenty five years for community social and services centers.

(08:45):
Then you also have to deal with the exorbient costs
that we're also seeing when it comes to housing and
how things have shot up very rarely of those part
of the conversation.

Speaker 12 (09:00):
Rug addiction, and then just pure unfortunate economic situations that
some people find themselves in due to layoffs, a lack
of work, what have you. And you see increases in
policing costs, you see increases in jailed jailing costs. Let's

(09:20):
not even without even talking about the lack of affordable
housing in so many markets these days, where people can't
afford to live in a one bedroom apartment without having roommates.
It's becoming untenable for a lot of people to function.
And yet we're seeing an increase in funding for policing

(09:42):
and increase in funding for jailing. Whereas if we were
investing in these root causes of drug addiction, of mental health,
of general wellness, then it would cost these municipalities and
localities a whole heck of a lot less, it would
be less of a drain on society, and I think
there's probably a lot likelihood that you would see much
more benefit beneficial outcomes of people rejoining society and being

(10:06):
productive members of society when these unfortunate or unchecked mental
health issues have resulted in them being unhoused for so long.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So based upon listening to these arguments, obviously it's one
thing to sort of prejudge or to guess, But based
upon listening to the various questions, what did you glean
from this in terms of what potentially could be a decision?

Speaker 13 (10:34):
So I think.

Speaker 12 (10:37):
The more liberal justices are looking to find a solution.
I think a lot of the questions really dug deep
into what do the courts need to be doing with
regard to staying away from being policymakers. Because this is
such a complex and complicated issue. Can the Supreme Court
hand down edicts that say this is what you need

(11:00):
to be doing? And I think the Court very much
wants to shy away from that. I believe it was
Justice Jackson who was discussing the possibility that this case
be mooted because Oregon has passed a statute prohibiting laws
like these passed and grants passed from going into effect
and being able to effectively criminalize being unhoused. There's also

(11:24):
the question that Justice Thomas brought up as to whether
the case itself was moot because all of the individual
plaintiffs have not been found criminally liable under these local ordinances.
So whether it's just civil cases at this point, so

(11:46):
whether it's appropriate to bring it under an Eighth Amendment
claim like this for cruel and unusual punishment like this
case is is yet to be seen. The other thing
is that there are a lot of municipalities that are
existing under a prior Ninth Circuit case that has made
outlawing being homeless roundhoused uh illegal. So you know there's

(12:07):
already some kind of controlling law in effect in the
states covered by the Ninth Circuit that other other areas
are following.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
All right, then we certainly will be seeing what they decided.

Speaker 14 (12:19):
Thanks a lot, Thank you so much.

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Now, folks, do today's oral argument.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Justice Neil Gorshik question the US Deputy Slicitor General at
When Needler about why he thinks people can be issue
you to criminal penalties for a public drunkenness, but not
for sleeping outside when they refuse to go to a
shelter or bed.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
To status.

Speaker 19 (15:10):
And now you're saying, well, there's some conduct that's effectively
equated to status. But you're saying, involuntary drug use, you
can regulate that conduct that doesn't qualify status. You're saying,
compulsive alcohol use, you can regulate that conduct in public
public drunkenness, even if it's involuntary, that doesn't qualify as status. Right,

(15:36):
You're saying you can regulate somebody who is hungry and
has no other choice but to steal, you can regulate
that conduct even though it's a basic human necessity and
that doesn't come under the status side of the line. Right, Yes, okay,
But when it comes to homelessness, which is a terribly
difficult problem, you're saying that's different. And because are no

(16:00):
beds available for them to go to in grants pass.
What about someone who has a mental health problem that
prohibits them they cannot sleep in a shelter. Are they
allowed to sleep outside or not? Is that status or
conduct that's regulable? I think the question would be whether
that shelter is available.

Speaker 9 (16:22):
It's available, well, no, available to the individual.

Speaker 19 (16:24):
It's available to the individual, but it's just because of
their mental health problem they cannot do it.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I think there might be I mean that's the mental.

Speaker 19 (16:32):
Health status or conduct.

Speaker 10 (16:34):
Well, a mental health situation is itself a status, right?

Speaker 13 (16:37):
I know that yes, but.

Speaker 19 (16:39):
It has this further knock on effect on conduct. Is
that regulable by the state or not?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I think that if the.

Speaker 19 (16:46):
All the you know, alcohol drug use, that they have
problems too and that, and but you're saying that conduct
is regulable. How about with respect to this pervasive problem
of persons with mental health problem.

Speaker 10 (17:00):
I think in a particular situation, if the if the
if the person would engage in violent conduct as.

Speaker 19 (17:06):
No, no, no, don't don't mess with my hypothetical.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Counsel.

Speaker 19 (17:10):
I like my hypothetical. I know you don't. It's a
hard one, and that's why I'm asking it. I'm just
trying to understand the limits of your line.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Don't mess with my hypothetical. How about not use hypotheticals
when you get to the Supreme Court? My pan on
doctor a'ma Congo to being a senior Professorial lecture of
School of International Service with American University, joins us from
DC that doctor Julian Malveaux, economists president he mayor of
Bennett College, also an author also out of d C,
Derreck Jackson, JORGEE the representative out of Atlantic. Let to

(17:40):
have all three of you here that that that's right.
The other thing for me, I don't understand, Ama Congo.
These justices love their are hypotheticals, but they're not real.
You got a real damn case. So that just what
kills me. Well, Yeah, like I hate hypotheticals. I hate
them because they're not real, right right, bro?

Speaker 20 (18:04):
You know, I mean, obviously we talk about so many
serious issues on this show, but this one, this is
a certain level.

Speaker 21 (18:12):
It just sounds evil.

Speaker 20 (18:14):
You know what I mean, like the way they frame it,
you know, the way they have these conversations and you
know with your guests before to break, like to criminalize
this and to come up with these hypotheticals that, oh, well,
whether somebody hasn't, It's like you're almost bringing in the
mental health issue again, something that Republicans don't support in
terms of getting more mental health access. And I'm so
glad we're going to talk about mental health versus mental

(18:36):
illness later, but coming back to this particular issue.

Speaker 21 (18:39):
They remember they did.

Speaker 20 (18:40):
This with the Super Bowl, like Los Angeles in like
twenty twenty two, they like got rid of all of
the homeless people around like Sofi Stadium because they wanted
to make sure that they had a pretty picture of
the community. This is disgraceful. These are people, and they
make us act. They act as if homeless people who
are un housed it's a choice.

Speaker 21 (18:57):
They just decided that they just.

Speaker 20 (18:59):
Set don't want to live in a house anymore, and
that whatever happens is on them. And I thought that
the way that Adjustice so to Mayor, framed it, I
thought it was really masterful because you're really targeting people
who don't have the opportunity to have their own consistent home,
and you want to throw all of these hypotheticals, which
is kind of showing where they're leaning towards. And I'm
very concerned about where they're leaning. And I think that

(19:19):
this is something that we need to talk about more
in our community as an election issue because the Biden administration,
though they don't talk about it enough, they have serious
programs working with local and state agencies not only to
tackle the issue of homelessness, but to prevent it. And
so I know that this is in the news for
other people, but we've talked about this on this show before,
and we need to keep talking about it because you

(19:42):
never see conversations about homelessness and people who are unhoused
in presidential debates or in state debates. It's never brought up.
They're kind of thrown to the side. And now they're
really looking at throwing them to decide, whether it's through
incarceration or other means, just to get them out of sight,
with no real conversations about aiding them and no longer
being unhigh. This is disgraceful and I'm really concerned about

(20:02):
what the Supreme Court is going to do on this case.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
See, the issue for me is in listen, homestess is
a problem. I mean, listen, I've been to la I've
been to other cities. I'm Chicago and man, you maybe
downtown and you're like, what the hell am I seeing?
Which means that policy makers have to come up with
policies and it's not criminalizing. I mean, you can hand

(20:26):
out tickets to homeless folks, but if they already broke,
they ain't paying those tickets, and so now what are
you gonna do.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
You're gonna jail them?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay, that means that the cost to jail them actually
will exceed what you could potentially do if they are
somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (20:47):
There you go.

Speaker 22 (20:48):
According to the last census, there are a quarter of
a million unhoused citizens in the United States, over two
hundred and fifty thousand and unhoused citizens in the United States.
In Atlanta we have three thousand and So the reason
why this is concerning, regardless of the decision that the

(21:10):
Supreme Court makes around this case, it's not going to
solve the homeless unhoused situation. When you highlighted enforcement, we
don't even have enough room for common criminals to put
in our jails more or less someone that is sleeping

(21:33):
on a park bench, So that enforcement piece is challenging
by itself. The other dynamic to this, too, rolling is
this think about, you know, other issues that we can
actually solve, right that really helps define our level of
humanity in the United States, Other issues around affordable housing,

(21:58):
mental health that we going to discuss later on during
the show.

Speaker 13 (22:02):
Mental illness. We're here in Georgia.

Speaker 22 (22:05):
We've closed all of our state facilities, and so when
we're dealing with the unhoused and homeless, they're either in
our emergency rooms depending on their situation as they combat
mental illness. And also look at the composition of the unhoused.
Were talking about families, We're talking about veterans. I served

(22:29):
in the Navy for twenty two years, so we got
veterans out there as well. We got some folks who
are just on their bad end of society right now,
and so whatever decision the Supreme Court makes, it's not
going to solve their hypothetical situation.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
You know, And that's really what this thing is about, Julian.
You've got to have policymakers who want to confront the
problem of the homeless. You can't just whine and complain
about how it looks having people, you know, filling up
the sidewalks. You must deal with the root problem. Otherwise

(23:08):
you're just kicking the can down the road.

Speaker 23 (23:11):
You know, roll The problem is bigger than the Supreme Court.
Although the Gorsics comments, and I love your the hypotheticals,
they're playing with lives. They're playing with important people's lives
when they start playing hypothetically, what if?

Speaker 7 (23:26):
What if? What if? What if?

Speaker 23 (23:28):
As a brother just said, you know, two point five
million people are two hundred and fifty million people homeless.
I got the numbers wrong, but basically all these homeless people.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
Here's the root of the problem.

Speaker 23 (23:40):
There's inadequate affordable housing in this country. Why is there
inadquate affordable housing? Because corporations have been buying up single
family homes.

Speaker 7 (23:51):
That could be Section eight homes. Ye, that are the
kind of homes.

Speaker 23 (23:54):
They've been buying up homes and turning them into cash couse.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
It's called predatory capitals.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
And in fact, in fact, there's a report that says
that by twenty thirty, that's just six years from now,
By twenty thirty, forty percent.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Of all US homes will be owned.

Speaker 13 (24:13):
By private equity decisely.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
And their goal is not to sell the homes. Their
goals is to make people renters. So they are paying
escalated rental feends.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
Have a perfecton.

Speaker 23 (24:26):
They have a perpetual comes, a perpetual income stream, and
they lock people out of wealth development, and it is
happening all over the country. Oben Congo made a really
important point when he talks about just the evil inherent
in this. But again I said, this is bigger than
the Supreme Court. This is public policy. Marshall Fudge, as

(24:47):
Hunt Secretary, was beginning to deal with this. She left,
of course, because with this Congress you couldn't pass the
gas much lesser legislation. But she's gone, and the interim woman,
I believe is very good. I been, I believe her,
David is very good. Nothing is going to be passed.
It's a public policy issue, how we deal with the poor,
how we pay the poor. Bedmum wage, federal minim wage

(25:10):
has not gone up in more than a decade.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
And so it's so hard I want to stay there
because the problem here is this here sort of it
sort of reminds me of we were talking about the
downscale customer service jobs. Historically those were jobs for young
people and for folks in their early twenties. Well, will

(25:38):
then begin with technology things begin to happen. You used
to have grocery clerks, used to have bank tellers, used
to have a whole slew of jobs that folks could
earn high twenties, low thirties, mid thirties, high thirties, low
forties working those jobs. Well, when those jobs disappeared, the

(26:02):
folk who were at that level then dropped down to
the walmart greeter jobs and things along those lines. So
when those people dropped down, well, then they pressed the
other folk who would depending upon those jobs further down
as well. So when you talk about these homes here,
so now people who should be living in single family homes,

(26:24):
they now are renting places. And so folks who traditionally
would be in those apartments they now are being.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Pushed out as well. Go to my iPad, Anthony.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
This was a story even in the conservative Washington Times.
Forty four percent of flipped single family home purchases in
twenty twenty three were by private investors. That means, Julian,
the folk who actually should be traditionally buying a home,
likely first time a homeowner, likely a young couple in

(26:56):
their early thirties with a child. They now are being
stuck in apartments, and so you now have a serious
problem of housing. And you have policymakers who don't want
to deal with this. The private equity folks, they don't
want to deal with the mental illness, don't want to
deal with other sort of stuff. And then they go, oh,

(27:18):
we got a homeless problem.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well yeah, but.

Speaker 23 (27:22):
If you don't have homes, you have a homeless problem.
And you if you deliberately take homes out of the market,
the single family homes out of the market, you're creating
your own problem. And none of these people there. You know,
we understand fully how politicians purchase a congressional and Senate seats.
We understand fully that they like a David Trod in

(27:44):
Maryland throwing millions of dollars forty five million dollars own
money into his campaign against the brilliant Angela also works.
But you know he's putting all that money. Is this
going to be someone's gonna stand up against these equity investors?

Speaker 9 (27:59):
No, he is one.

Speaker 23 (28:01):
You know, you go down the listen you're looking at it. No,
they're not going to stand up. And so we basically
have no congressional uh living caucus. We got congressional Black
Caucus cogression, but we need to have a congressional caucuse
that really deals with how people live if they're moderate income.
But your point about the automation. I tried to pay

(28:23):
a bill today. I took me twenty minutes to get
a person press one for this, press two for that.
One two didn't give me anything, but the black starts screaming,
and then somebody picked up the phone and said, are
you okay.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I'm like, no, but here, but here's the deal, though,
I'm gonna come go perfect example today and listen. For
the last five or six years, I have gotten more
phone calls, more text messages, I mean you name it
from folks trying to buy my home in Texas.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I paid.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I paid the home off two thousand and nine. I guess,
uh so I've own it outright. My parents have been
living in my home. My sister and her two nieces
lived in the home for quite some time. Sister gets remarried,
both of my nieces are out. My nephew moves to Dallas.

(29:15):
He's now living in my parents' home. So at one
point you've had so three generations of family members. Now
the benefit to family members they're not paying rent, so
they're living mortgage free, they're paying for utilities, things along
those lines, and so that is an economic benefit because
they are able to you know, to be able to

(29:38):
sort of build their life and not have where most places,
forty to fifty or sixty percent of some people's income
is going towards where they live. And so my parents
or dad will be seventy seven on Thursday. Mom is
seventy seven in November, and so they are even a
situation so they're Social Security railroad retirement is not having

(29:58):
to go fifty six sixty percent to housing because I
own the home. But they've been blowing my phone up
like crazy trying to offer me cash now. The homeless purchase,
I think it was one hundred and twenty two thousand
dollars when I purchased the home in December of nineteen
ninety nine. The value of that home today is and

(30:20):
I posted this on social media because I've made a
post about it, the value of that particular home today
is three hundred and forty four, eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
And fifty dollars.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Now for the person who is watching, going bay Man,
hold up, you buy a house for one hundred twenty
two thousand December nineteen ninety nine. Here you are twenty
five years later, and it's worth almost three times as much.
Here's why if they go to my iPad. So as
you see here, folks, this is US home construction from

(30:55):
nineteen hundred through twenty twenty one, and you'll see nineteen
hundred one point seven eight million homes were built in
the United States, and then two point sixty five million,
two million, four point one six million, and then you
get to the fifties.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now, why is that important?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Because now you're dealing with right here, you're dealing with
really nineteen fifty to present day. You're dealing with the folks,
especially namely white, who were able to buy homes when
it came to the GI bill. So ten point eight
nine point four nine. Then you see twelve million, twelve million,
twelve million, fourteen million between two thousand and two thousand

(31:36):
and nine. Then you see a massive drop twenty ten,
twenty nineteen. Why is that twenty ten, twenty nineteen, folks,
that was a result of the home foreclosure crisis in
the previous decade, and so you had massive foreclosures, fifty
three percent of all black wealth wiped out. Now here's

(31:56):
the problem. The next decade. We are far behind in
the current decade. A previous a realtor dot Com report
said that we're seven point two million homes behind in
this decade.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
So here's the problem.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
If you say, let's just say from twenty twenty twenty
twenty nine, let's just say we built about seven million homes,
and we built six million homes in the previous decade,
that means that in twenty years you barely built the
number of homes that was built in two thousand and
two thousand and nine.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
So what do you now have.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
You now have and increased population, more demand.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
You do not have the housing stock.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
So if we continue on this rate, we're going to
be in an even more a difficult situation.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
And om congo.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Those private equity people, the reason why they are desperately
trying to offer me cash for my home is because
they absolutely know there's stock and they want to snap up.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
And here's what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
They are successful in this way because they're offering so
much money. People are saying yes, not realizing it's going
to make it very difficult for the next generation to
be able to own homes.

Speaker 21 (33:17):
Absolutely, I just got a message.

Speaker 20 (33:18):
I get a message every week from my house as well,
and I'm like, I get my number.

Speaker 21 (33:22):
I don't even know who these people are.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Man, they call in texts all every damn day.

Speaker 20 (33:28):
Yep, what did I hear from my own friends? I mean, so,
you're absolutely right. And one of the things that we
didn't talk about from that graphic that you showed us
was just terrific was also the amount of people who
lost their homes due to the COVID pandemic. People lost
their jobs and the incomes. You know, we're out on
the street home. You know, people who are unhouses on
the rise as well. And we also have to add
to the fact that many of these private equity folks

(33:49):
are not based in the United States, and so people
from across the globe are buying up American property just
like they're buying up American land and farmland and the like,
and so so much of what we had in this
country is not owned by regular, everyday people. And when
we get into this next election cycle, when we get
into twenty these next few years, you're going to have

(34:10):
more people who are out there going to be homeless.
And that's why I think the Supreme Court is going
to rule against people who are in house because they
want to have an institution or system already line up
in place to be able to deal with these people.

Speaker 21 (34:23):
These people quote unquote, and the fact that the manner
is they don't want.

Speaker 20 (34:26):
To deal with policy like you just talked about and
doctor Marvel was talking about, they don't want to do that.
And so really at the end of the day, we
have to make sure that as doctor Malvel also talked
about a Congressional Caucus on Living, we have to make
sure that we're raising awareness about this because if we don't,
particularly families that might be underwater a little bit but
might be able to save their home if they had

(34:47):
certain policies or were able to work with the Biden
or local administrations, they're going to get a call from
one of these folks and people are just going to say, oh, yeah,
I'm just going to do it.

Speaker 21 (34:55):
I'm just going to sell.

Speaker 20 (34:55):
People are going to sit on at the values that
the communities are going to go down because these houses
are going to to be unoccupied for a while, or
like you said, a renter class is going to grow,
and then those communities are going to continue to be
in the client and our communities are going to be
hit first. So this is an issue that is not
spoken about enough, and it's really important right now that
we connect those dots. I was not aware Roland of

(35:16):
that twenty year gap we talked about. You know, in
twenty years, we'll built as many houses as it took
us to build in a decade.

Speaker 21 (35:22):
But it really makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 20 (35:24):
And these guys, these policymakers and the like, who don't
care for the unhoused, this is what they want and
they play off of our ignorance. And so the more
we know, the more we have to share, particularly to
these next generation of homeowners, we can be able to
get them in positions, particularly through vote, where they can
make real laws that are going to help our communities
across the country.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
So they're the reason I'm purposely clicking the dots. And
I know there's somebody watching who's saying, all right, what
does this have to do with the homelessness issue in
Supreme Court decision? Because they're all connected. So if you
don't deal with mental illness community services, you don't don't
deal with an insufficient Department of Veterans and Affairs in

(36:03):
dealing with veterans and PTSD, and then you're not dealing
with lack of building affordable housing. And then where you're
not dealing with these cities that keep dealing with these
so called mixed use development where oh, we're going to
build this affordable housing and with it, we're building this
mixed use development and risks all sort of restaurants and

(36:27):
trendy little areas and open air parks, things along those lines,
where the reality is they throw in very few affordable
housing to qualify for the tax breaks, all right, and
so only a handful of people can actually get in
those places. And what they're really doing is going after
the people who can afford the three to four to
five hundred thousand dollars homes that they're building in these

(36:49):
downtown developments. And so for the people who are watching,
I need them to understand that public policymakers play a role.
When Julian was talking about Secretary Marshall Fudge, she said,
point blank, we have limited their limited things the federal
government can do to deal with home building. She said,
this is specifically a local and state issue, and that's.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
The piece that people don't seem to understand.

Speaker 22 (37:17):
And the other dot that we have to connect to
your point rolling is this as a lawmaker, we right
here in Georgia during our last legislative session try to
expand the homestead exemption for our seniors because our seniors
are on fixed incomes. And we also discovered that eighty

(37:38):
five percent of our seniors on their homes outright and
on a fixed income, but they can't afford the taxes.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Roland right, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
So explain to the person at home, what does the
homestead exemption.

Speaker 22 (37:55):
Do, great question. So the homestead exemption, what it does?
It allows for the government. So in our case at
the state level, we can say, for example, the bill
that I brought forward was if you're over the age
of sixty five and you have no children in the

(38:17):
school system, you're exempt for paying school taxes, and you
can get four thousand dollars off of your property tax
because your property tax continues to increase with the market value.
And so that can save on the average senior citizen

(38:37):
roughly sixty five one hundred dollars maybe seven thousand dollars.
That helps when your taxes of your two hundred thousand
dollars home. It wasn't two hundred thousand dollars when you
purchase it. It was fifty thousand dollars when you purchase it,
but now thirty years later it's now two hundred thousand dollars,

(38:59):
So that said exemption would give them a seven thousand
dollars break off of their property tax.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
And see, and just for people are just to understand
because and I was just looking at some stuff over
the weekend Juliana. It was quite of interesting because I'm
just at home and I just moved. I just moved
into a new house here, and I thought about I
thought about where I came from. I thought about the

(39:28):
house that I grew up in. And I was texting
somebody and I said, you know, we grew up in
a I said, I grew up in a small wood
frame house. I said fifteen hundred square feet. And then
I went online and I was like, so I put
in the address. I went to Zilo and I put
in the address and I typed in.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
It was like, damn, hold up.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
It was one thousand and two and three one square
feet and so I pulled this up, go to my
iPad and when I go gone to Houston before, I
sort of pulled it up and this was literally the
house that.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I grew up in.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
The First of all, we had what I hate is
we had we had great landscaping that was the work
of my dad and my mom, but really me and
my brothers and.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Sisters, we were a manual laborers.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
But the thing was crazy to me, and it was
just blowing my mind that this house here is one
hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. I was even surprised
that there was one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars.
And then I pulled up some other homes that were

(40:35):
on the street. My grandparents lived on eight blocks away,
and that was a house that was newly built. It
was a brick house, very nice. Inside that house was
three hundred and ninety nine thousand dollars.

Speaker 23 (40:51):
I was like, huh, you know, part of that is
the datu rising prices right right.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
But what I was looking at, I was looking at
the neighborhood. I was looking at ameny of these things
along those lines. So the reason it blew me away
was wait a minute, are you serious? Almost four hundred
thousand for that house in that neighborhood, which then out,
which then brought home the reality of because we have

(41:22):
so few stock that I don't care where the house is,
I don't care in what neighborhood. It is sky high
because you don't have available stock. And so now that's
just a single family home. Now you go, wait a minute,
imagine folks much lower income. They can't afford to even

(41:47):
pay some of these rent and that ties right back
into the homeless problem that we're seeing where people if
they can't make some payments that they get evicted, they
can't get into a shelter, they are out on the street.
And that's where policymakers are going to have to stop
complaining about seeing people sleeping in cars or sleeping in

(42:08):
parks on the sidewalks. They're going to have to confront
the policies that are contributing to the homeless problem in America.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
For Leian sixty second, if I got to go.

Speaker 23 (42:18):
To break San Francisco bayor London, Breed is using bacont
Land to build affordable housing. She promises to build about
eighty thousand units. She is up for reelection, but she
said she's and she's got started on the process. This
issue is building more housing. And to y'all's point, not
a day goes by when some colonizer knocks on this

(42:38):
door or since puts a note through that window. Is
your house for sale? And my answer is, MF do
you see a full sale sign in front of this house.
If you do, not, houses is not for sale. Don't
ask me those stupid questions. But basically, you've got an
era of speculation about housing. It's pushing how prices up.
We have to figure out how to build more affordable

(42:58):
housing for people of modern incomes. Average Black family earns
about sixty grand, average Black family well overall numbers high.

Speaker 7 (43:08):
But so what can you do with sixty grand?

Speaker 23 (43:10):
What the rule say is you shouldn't spend more than
what a third is really used to be a quarter.
Now it's up to a third of your net income
on housing. Lots of people are spending half and even
more than that.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, and so it's it's just stunning. And so I
just don't I just think that people don't understand and.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Just just go back.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
I wish I could get rid of half of this
side here. But it's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I just showed you. I just show you some of
the houses and what the cost what the costs are
for some of those houses.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
And if you see the map here, go back, you
see you might see right here this is literally in
the same neighborhood. You will see a seventy five thousand
dollars lot, and then you see an eighty five thousand
dollars a lot. But then you will see a house
that's three hundred and thirty eight thousand, But then you
see another one that's two sixty one, that's two seventy five,

(44:04):
and then and you keep going, then all of a sudden,
you see a seventy thousand dollars a lot. You'll see
a three hundred and eighty thousand dollars house that's twenty
one hundred square feet. I mean, and again it just
so people understand, if you're a first up home buyer,
you're competing, and I guarantee you, and I look at
the I guarantee you because I grew up in Clinton

(44:25):
Park in Houston.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I guarantee you. What have I guarantee you? And if
you go through the seven seven zero two nine zip code.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
You're going to find private equity owning a bunch of
these houses because there were the families that where they
grew up. You know, my parents eventually they you know,
sold their home there. But imagine if you have families
where parents passed away, kids didn't want to come back there,
they sold the land. Equity snapped that up. And that's

(44:54):
what you're seeing. And so this is going to continue
unless policymakers do something about it. You cannot have private
equity owning forty and fifty percent of all available homes
in the country because they have no interest in selling.
They want to jack the rents up and take as
much money as they can from Americans. And so that's

(45:15):
going to be an issue. All right, folks got to
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Speaker 1 (50:41):
All right, firs. Welcome to Roland Martin on the field.
You know, I saw this article over the weekend that
I thought was kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Uh. And what tripped me out?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
And looking at the article, uh, it talked about taxes
and talked about President Joe Biden's plan he wants to
tax folks families that make four hundred thousand dollars or higher.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
And that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
And there was a brother who was quoted in the
article who said, you know, this is not fair.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I don't feel like, you know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Rich because with four hundred thousand, and as a result,
you know, I'm gonna I'm going to I'm gonna pull
the story up. He goes, you know, I'm going to
vote for Trump. And the headline was I don't think
of myself as rich. The Americans crossing Biden's four hundred

(51:43):
thousand dollars tax line. So I thought that was It
was just interesting seeing that. And the reason it's it's
a trip is because one a lot of people literally
have no clue about taxes in this country. They have
no clue about how this actually came about. And I

(52:06):
want to go to Julian first, because I posted this.
I'm going to show the article in a second. And
I posted this Julian because the first thing I said was, Okay,
I wonder if his brother went to college, and I
wonder if he got any peil grants. Where does the
money come from? Then I said, well to this one

(52:28):
of the brother realizes that, you know, does he think
about when he's driving on roads, how's that paid for?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Does he think about.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
When he's in Tampa and they have disaster relief, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods,
where that money comes from. It always trips me out,
these folks who complain about taxes but never think about
the stuff that taxes pay for. And then well, how

(53:03):
dare you do it? And don't even realize that Biden's
plan is not increasing your taxes Julian on the four
hundred thousand, it's increasing your taxes on what you make
above the four hundred thousand.

Speaker 23 (53:17):
Don't know understand the tax system at all, Roland. As
you know, they also don't understand, as an example, this
brother's fussing about four hundred thousand. If you pay into
the Social Security system, you're capped out at about one
hundred and sixty thousand. So all these people who make
more than one hundred and sixty thousand are not paying
into the Social Security system, which is why we have

(53:38):
so many inequities there as you talk. As you mentioned roads,
bridges regulation, we've had several challenges with airline airplanes rather
you know, parts falling out the sky and carrying on.
The Federal Aviation Administration is a regulatory agency that basically
is financed by our tax dollars. We're about to go

(53:59):
into the season of extreme heat. OSHA Office of Safety
and Health Administration is the one that passes regulations about
breaks and things like that. And quite frankly, your friend
mister de Satan down there in Florida, they just passed
a law that said that prohibit localities from regulating breaks.
Who works outside in the winter in the summer rather

(54:22):
round folks, black folks, you know, people are agricultural, they
have get hate heatstroke.

Speaker 7 (54:28):
Ocean needs to step in there. So there's so many
things that our taxes pay for.

Speaker 9 (54:32):
Our schools.

Speaker 23 (54:33):
Of course, local taxes paid for but also Title I schools,
which are schools that serve people below a certain income level,
neighborhoods before a certain income level. Title one give federal
grants because they're the taxes. Local taxes don't pay enough
for them.

Speaker 21 (54:51):
So there.

Speaker 23 (54:52):
I mean, everybody fusses about taxes, and we know sometimes
a good reason, but the facts that we have to
look at what the tax are for, how the taxes.

Speaker 7 (55:01):
Enhance our lives, and what we're getting and y'all, I'll
tell you.

Speaker 23 (55:05):
I had an argument with some conservative on the radio recently,
and the woman was talking about eliminating taxes, and I said,
how would Yobama? And she said what I said, I
just want to know. I'm curious. She said she was
seventy eight. I said, does she get Social Security? She
has said, taxes pay for that. Even if it is

(55:27):
not the Social Security taxes, they don't fully cover it.
The Social Social Security administration is also because all these
people talk about they don't like taxes, need to look
at their lives and look at their pocketbooks and figure
out what they're getting for those taxes.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
You know what I thought was interesting, Derek when I
saw this piece here and go to my iPad Anthony.
This is the piece itself is in the Wall Street Journal.
I don't think on myself as rich the Americans crossing
Biden's four hundred thousand dollars tax line. And you know
this guy, Aaron Little's or Tampa says he feels unfairly
targeted by.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
The four hundred thousand dollars cutoff. Okay now, and so
there was a quote in here, let me find it.

Speaker 13 (56:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
And I sort of laughed when I saw his quote
because he was he was highly offended by the by this.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
And hold, wait, wait till I find it.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
He goes, I've hit the American dream and now I'm
going to have to pay more taxes. That doesn't feel
great to me. It's demotivating. Darrenk his was crazy.

Speaker 14 (56:38):
I this.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
You know when when when you hear that, it's.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
It's strange to me. It's strange to me when I
hear that. And and part of the reason, part of
the reason, Derek, why why, Part of the reason why
I was I was looking up. Part of the part
of the reason why I was looking up, I was

(57:09):
looking at where I grew up because Saturday I stood
in Saturday, I stood in my new backyard, and.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
I saw this. I saw this.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Uh, And so I thought about where I grew up
with my parents, not the one who went to college,
parents who never made more than fifty thousand dollars a year.
And I thought, I thought about where I am now.
I thought about moving into a new home, still owning

(57:48):
my home in Texas, where my parents live and my
nephew lives.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
There, and the life that I have.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
And the last thing I'm about to do, Derek is
say some booty shit like, oh my god, a tech
You know, raising taxes is demotivating.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
But also I have to understand that, you know what,
the road that I drove on, the cops that patrol
the area, the lights, the sewer system, the highway, all
those things are paid via tax dollars. Now, I totally

(58:33):
understand folks saying I want to keep as much as
much money as I can make, and so as a
business owner, I understand that. But when my accountant tells me, hey, Roland,
when you buy these things, you can write all of
that money off, well, that means I'm gonna go buy
some other stuff for the studio to make us better,

(58:54):
to lower my tax threshold. But the fact of the
matter is when I write that check, I so understand
how I wanted to be used, how not don't want
to be wasted. But this notion of oh, sure, let's
demand this and this and this from government, but I
don't want to pay for it. I want somebody else

(59:14):
to pay for it. Where and the hell you think
it comes from?

Speaker 13 (59:18):
You know, Roland.

Speaker 22 (59:21):
When you think about this discussion or this debate between
socialism and capitalism, folks who have been.

Speaker 13 (59:32):
Received a lot of those tax.

Speaker 22 (59:34):
Dollars by way of incentives and grants, they don't talk
about that PPP where they think that money came from Roland?

Speaker 13 (59:46):
Right?

Speaker 22 (59:46):
These grants pel France, as you already outlined, wationed about
the infrastructure. And so when you think about where our
tax dollars paid for for the hospitals, the schools, the infrastructure,
the fire department, all these things is a source by

(01:00:11):
our tax I want to highlight rolling is this when
you think about the industrial revolution that took place in
the United States, the rocket feilers, Vanderbilt, JP, Morgan, all
of them. How you think they started their company, the governor,
the government incentivize them to lay that rail. Where do

(01:00:34):
you think Boeing get their dollars from to build airplanes government.
So these tax dollars are being used to help individuals
basically push their business forward. Right Steve Jobs, you know
he got a lot of money from government to help

(01:00:55):
build out Apple and so on and so forth. So
I just find it very interested when we had this
conversation around socialism and capitalism, those who like Elon Musk
don't tell the truth that they got six hundred million
dollars to help him become the multi billionaire that he is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I'm a congo the fund. It's been interesting. So some
some food named Sean Ryan on our.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
YouTube chat goes where has socialism ever worked?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Anthony? Go to my iPad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Sean Ryan is typing on a thing called the Internet
that was actually created by the United States government.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Government researchers created the Internet.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
You see right here This article was publishing in Scientific
Americans former blog network, and it says right here, okay,
right here, that the Pentagon, our pennet, was the Internet's
immediate predecessor. And it talks about when the Internet was founded,

(01:02:07):
when it was privatized. We can go on and on
and on, the bottom line is it was government researchers
that put us in the position right now, Folks don't
seem to pay any attention to that. The point I'm
making is if we're gonna sit here, and I mean
we can, we can debate, and we want to argue.
Like I had a guy on Twitter. He goes, well, ially,
the four hundred thousand dollars is this? I find this

(01:02:29):
to be hilarious. He goes, uh, the four hundred thousand
dollars is uh? Is just arbitrary.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I said, okay. And he was talking about how.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
How what his family makes and if my wife is this,
and and and uh and and and and and uh
and I'm this here and and I'm listening to him
talk and I went, hmm, I wonder if he even
understands what the median average income is in the United States.

(01:03:01):
And he was just and again, he was just sitting here,
talking and talking, and I was like, okay, and he
was complaining about this arbitrary four hundred thousand mark.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
And I had to remind him of this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Here is that, y'all. This right here, this right here
is from the US Justice Department.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
This says the following.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
This is called Census Bureau Median family income by family size.
The following table provides median family income data, reproducing a
format design for ease of use in bankruptcy forms. You'll
see right here, Okay, starting with Alabama, it shows one

(01:03:53):
earner all the way to family size. You'll see here
that the so Hawaii is saying with four people, four people,
Hawaii is it one hundred and twenty five thousand. Connecticut
is at one hundred and thirty seven thousand. Let me
go see if anybody is higher than the Connecticut. Maryland
is one hundred and thirty eight thousand. Okay, New Jersey

(01:04:16):
is one hundred and forty thousand. New York is one
hundred and seventeen thousand. So New Jersey is the highest
with four kids. The median family income in New Jersey
it's one hundred and forty thousand. On the congo this food,
This dude is complaining, and y'all, here's the numbers right here,

(01:04:37):
four people, y'all is right here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
It's Justice dot Gov.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
The data is right there, eighty five thousand, one hundred
and eight eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Let me see what the lowest here is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
So New Jersey's eight is one hundred and forty thousand,
so the marketing is eighty.

Speaker 13 (01:04:53):
Five Stachusetts, Massachusetts one hundred and forty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Okay, Matthews is one hundred and forty eight, so they're
the highest. Okay, so right here, Alabama's eighty five six
eighty seven. Let's see if anybody right here, Mississippi is
seventy four eight eight eight. New Mexico is seventy thousand
and three sixteen. Letsie if anybody lord the New Mexico. No,
so Massachusetts. New Mexico is seventy three hundred and sixteen dollars.

(01:05:21):
Massachusetts is one hundred and forty eight thousands of ourned thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
That's median family income.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I'm like, bruh, you complaining that four hundred thousand on
the congo is arbitrary when you're making two and a
half times more than what the median family income Massachusetts make.
This is why I try to tell some people, listen
to what your dumbass is saying. I cannot sit here

(01:05:50):
at somebody making that salary. Well, this is just a
damn shame.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
That's why I went back and looked at the house
I grew up in. Remind my ass where I came.

Speaker 21 (01:06:02):
From you are absolutely right.

Speaker 20 (01:06:05):
You know, doctor King, when he talked about socialism versus capitalism,
you know, he says, in America we have socialism for
the rich and capitalism for the poor.

Speaker 21 (01:06:12):
This idea the poor got to pull it on bootstraps up.

Speaker 20 (01:06:14):
But when you're talking about rich, when we talked about
you know, Tesla and other groups, they get that government
assistance and that help. When we talk about these stadiums,
these big stadiums that these owners of these teams never
paid for it, you know, taxpayers dollars, you know, they.

Speaker 21 (01:06:27):
Build these things.

Speaker 20 (01:06:28):
At every single juncture we talk about what taxes are
doing for our economy, and I'm and I like when
I see you know, these guys called the patriotic millionaires,
like some of America's richest individuals, who constantly say, tax us, taxes, taxes,
We want to pay our fair share. Because on the
flip side of this, also Roland is we got to
look at the stock market and what's happening of all
of these people making all of this money under Biden's economy,

(01:06:50):
and the stock market is raving in ways that it
hasn't been as well. So it's like they're trying to
get it on both ends. And so if we are
not you know, mindful of this, we're going to have
people like that the guy in that our applittles or
is never his name is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
They're going to.

Speaker 20 (01:07:03):
Become the new face of the people who are suffering
under Biden's tax policies. When every economic indicator for the
most part, has been up under Biden compared to Trump.
And if you're not going to look at what you
have been able to get in this country, what you
have been able to build in this country, and want
to have no type of instance or instincts of wanting
to give back, then it's definitely shame on you. But

(01:07:24):
this is what our government, our so called leaders are doing.
What did Trump say in twenty sixteen when Hillary Clan
called him out, he said, not paying this amount of
taxes it makes me smart, you know, being able to
get away and buying the system. And so we see
every single day they want to continue to gain the system.
And the fact that our brother would say that and
say that I'm going I'm going for Trump when he's
going to do everything else to go against you as

(01:07:44):
a black person. But you might get that tax cut.
That's really all you're in it for. That's really it's disgraceful.
It's really disgraceful.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
And so Mark Cuban was tweeting about this, and Mark
Cuban actually posted this. This is what Mark the direct
deposit that Mark Cuban made to the government. He posted
this KPMG. His accountants said that Mark Cuban his taxes
for this year two hundred and seventy five million, nine

(01:08:14):
hundred thousand dollars and Mark and Mark Cuban said, I'm
proud of what I've been able to do, how much
I've been able to make, and I happily will make
that direct deposit because I understand that these things cost
just something, just something people real quick, thirty seconds, I
gotta go to the next guest coup.

Speaker 23 (01:08:34):
It's a false dichotomy to about socialism versus capitalism. What
we're talking about is a compassionate capitalism, which.

Speaker 7 (01:08:41):
That's a whole other story.

Speaker 23 (01:08:42):
We're really talking about as a capitalism that is fair, right,
that's what we're talking about. But no one is advocating
Soviet style socialism. So it's a false psychotomy. But it
allows crazy people to sort of say, oh, we're very
towards socialism. No, what we want is a compassionate capitalism,
everybody their fair share. We have compassion for people at

(01:09:03):
the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
All right, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
When we come back, we're going to talk about a
lawsuit in Florida against Governor Ron De Sampius his attack
on folks formerly incarcerated. You know, he'd been trying to
keep those folks from voting because he understands that they
could form a huge voting block and not a lot
of Republicans out of public office in Florida. That's next,
rolling back unfiltered right here on the Blackstar.

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We have seen white folks in this country who simply
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Unfiltered Florida govern Ronald Sanders and other Florida officials are
being sued over alleged voter intimidation and confusion regarding the
voting rights of folks formerly incarcerated.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Some have said felon's voting rights. So the language there
seventy four pages. A civil lawsuit following huge district court
in Miami says the lack of a reliable database to
determine voter eligibility for individuals with convictions is unconstitutional. Desmond Mead,
who leads the group they're behind the law suit, he

(01:12:08):
jones us right now and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
This is the thing what we saw.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Rohnda Santis had folks arrested who were formerly incarcerated, who
were told they could vote, and every single one of
those cases got thrown out when the judge said they
were told they can vote.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
What the hell is this here? But that was his intent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
He wanted to see a chilling It was making a
chilling effect to cause people say, hey, man, you know what,
I listen, I don't even want to chance it. Because
they were arrested, they were inconvenience, they had to go
to jail, was all kind of dromly to go through.
And that's really what their goal was.

Speaker 28 (01:12:45):
Yes, well, first of all, Rob listen, thank you so
much for Roland for having me on the show tonight.
But let me tell you, yes, it's just a complete
mess here in Florida. But I want to be very clear,
at the core of our lawsuit is a very fundamental
question that I believe have not only implications in Florida,

(01:13:06):
but also national implications, right, And that question is simple,
whose responsibility is it to determine voter eligibility? Like we've
seen cases in other states where people relied on the state,
where the state issued vot identification cards, but yet they
were subsequently arrested and in one case convicted of voting

(01:13:28):
illegally when they should not have been convicted as such.
And so we've seen that exact same thing play out
in Florida where everyone who got arrested everyone that the
police stormed their homes and was pulling people out in
the middle of the night and arrest the elderly people. Right,
every last one of those individuals had the same thing

(01:13:49):
in common. They were all issues a voter identification card.
And if a person cannot rely on the state to
determine whether or not they're elgible to vote, then who
the heck can they rely on?

Speaker 13 (01:14:00):
And that is what sits at the.

Speaker 28 (01:14:02):
Crux of our lawsuit, And we want the state to
admit that they have known about a failed election system
since butsh v gore when hundreds of people were removed
from the voting roles in an election that was decided
by a little over five hundred votes. And so we
want the state, we want to court, the force to

(01:14:23):
state to first of all admit responsibility for determined vote eligibility,
but they invest in necessary resources to create a system
that is accurate, that people can rely on and that
they could be feel confident to be able to go
and vote without the fear of arrests.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Absolutely absolutely. And the other thing is this here, you
got to have the clarity. This is early on, because
what they do is they always want to wait late. Off,
it's just too late, too late. No, folks need to
know now, they need to know this summer if they
can actually you know, registered to vote. And what they
did is we saw what happened when the Amendment four

(01:15:02):
was passed overwhelming in the state. Then Republicans went back
in uh and uh and played around with and then
say oh no, no, you got to pay, you got
to pay all your fines. And so they came back
and then and their conservative Supreme Court backed them up
on it. Uh. And so that through through another monkey
ridge in it, and that's what the that's what the
fear is they would try try to do the same

(01:15:22):
thing come this year to again keep those one point
four million people from UH being eligible to vote.

Speaker 28 (01:15:30):
Well, Roland, there's two things. One thing I want to well,
the main thing I want to make Claire is that
this thing is really not that difficult. It's really not
that right. And the reason why I say that because
right now, in Florida, if I were to get traffic
tickets in multiple counties in Florida and don't pay those
traffic tickets right and my license get suspended. If I
go to any county in the state of Florida to

(01:15:52):
say I want to get a driver's license or reinstate
my driving license, I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:15:57):
Care what county I go to.

Speaker 28 (01:15:59):
Then were immediately be able to say no, you cannot
get a driver's license because you owe money in these
four or five different counties. This is how much you
actually owe, right, and until you pay that you won't
get it back. But the minute I pay it, guess what,
I get a clerics and I'm able to get my
license red stated immediately. And so there is already a

(01:16:20):
system in place, right that could tell people what they owe.
If they have outstanding traffic tickets, why can't they be
a system in place for something even more vote. Well,
I think it's more important than driving, and that's being
able to vote, being able to cast a ballot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
So are you still hear from people who were formerly
coars rated who are like man, I don't know what
to do. I told the story of the brother in
Texas who voted in twenty twenty, stood in line six hours,
story was done. Republicans came after him, and this brother
he was eventually cleared, but he literally said to this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Is the chronicle.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
I'm not voting because I don't want to go through
this again. That right there is what the feary is.

Speaker 28 (01:17:06):
That is a chilling impact that resulted because of the
result of those arrests. But how we're stepping up, you know, listen,
I say that when people push at us, we push
back even harder. So we stood up a legal defense fund.

Speaker 13 (01:17:19):
We stood up.

Speaker 28 (01:17:22):
A bail fund to where if people are getting arrested,
we're bailing them out of jail.

Speaker 13 (01:17:27):
If they're getting arrested.

Speaker 28 (01:17:28):
For voting illegally, we're getting pro bono attorneys from across
the State of Florida who has agreed to represent these individuals.
And what we've seen is that the majority of these
cases end up becoming successful because we have strong advocates
that's representing these individuals.

Speaker 13 (01:17:45):
In some cases, you know, we've seen reports in the
past we're in.

Speaker 28 (01:17:48):
Other states, maybe that person didn't have a strong representation,
or maybe the states sometimes try to try to scare
you or youth scare tactics to scare someone into accepting.

Speaker 13 (01:17:58):
The plea deal. We see that happen, and so how
we counteract that is.

Speaker 28 (01:18:02):
By building a strong, informidable army of attorneys across the
state of Florida that would stand up to the state
and push back and say, heck, no, right. The person
did not do anything wrong. They relied on the state,
They did not have the requisite intent to even be
charged with this right, much less of getting arrested. And

(01:18:24):
so therefore our band of attorneys.

Speaker 13 (01:18:27):
Are stepping up to let people know that listen, we
got your back.

Speaker 28 (01:18:30):
Right if you honestly believe that you are eligible to
register the vote, Even the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals
have said this right that when a person honestly believes
that they can vote They should not be treated like
a common criminal.

Speaker 13 (01:18:45):
They should not be arrested and thrown in jail.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Questions from the panel, Derek, your.

Speaker 13 (01:18:50):
First, appreciate your work in this space.

Speaker 22 (01:18:55):
I continue to try to make the case that the
John Lewis Voter Rights Act, if it was an act
at UH in plays, it will mitigate and resolve these
kind of issues.

Speaker 13 (01:19:06):
Do you agree or disagree with that? The only problem
with that is.

Speaker 28 (01:19:10):
That the states have a certain amount of rights as
it relates to whether or not the allow citizens to vote,
and that John Lewis Act would have probably only apply
to federal election, right, which I mean you you we
have some win there at a relation of federal election.
But we've said over the years that the politics that

(01:19:31):
impact us the most our local politics, right, our governor,
our state attorney, the judges that that that that sit
on these benches, the sheriffs that's running for office, right,
those are like very key races that we have to
be involved in, and the John Lewis Act would probably
not cover those races.

Speaker 23 (01:19:53):
Julian, Well, first of all, thank you for your work
and congratulations on your prior victories, especially with the legislation
that was passed to allow form and incarcerated people to vote,
even though Florida play with it. I'm interested in what
you have an army of attorneys who are I assume
pro bono representing these people who have been charged with

(01:20:17):
voting illegally. My question is, what's the cost of that,
even though they're pro bono. What what kind of resource
use is that because of you, with this malicious attack
on these voters, it's costing money resources effort. Tell me
about how much not just dollar dollar terms, but in
terms of diverted resources that could be used for other

(01:20:41):
very important voting rights issues.

Speaker 13 (01:20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:20:44):
So, and you make a valid point, you know, And
that's why there is that deep level of appreciation for
these attorneys that are are volunteering their time to represent individuals.

Speaker 13 (01:20:56):
You know, we also have.

Speaker 28 (01:20:57):
Volunteer attorneys that are also representing people in court to
get those fines and fees actually waived so they can
convert it to community service hours and that at the
end they can have that judicial.

Speaker 13 (01:21:11):
Order that basically say that they're free.

Speaker 28 (01:21:14):
And clear and they could vote without fear of getting arrested.
And so we have attorneys that are representing people who
have been charged and we also have attorneys that are
representing people who wants to get clarification on their voter eligibility,
and if they have finding fees, we're going into the
courts and getting no finding fees waived.

Speaker 13 (01:21:34):
But when it comes to the costs.

Speaker 28 (01:21:36):
I could only speculate that since it's in the probably
millions of dollars when it's all said and done.

Speaker 13 (01:21:43):
You know, when you when you account for attorneys time.

Speaker 28 (01:21:47):
That he spends on a case, the time that our
research has spend researching the case and doing the state's
job for it, you know, there's manions of dollars that
could been allocated a reality and used in other places.
So once again, we are grateful for the attorneys, and
every day we're getting more attorneys that are volunteering to

(01:22:09):
take maybe one, two, or even three cases on our behalf.
And we're grateful for that, and we just have to
keep pushing. But the cost of the burden, and I
want to be very clear with this, and we're saying
this and our lawsuit should not be on a nonprofit,
It should not be on us. The burden of determining
voter eligibility should rest and reside with the state, right

(01:22:32):
especially when you have a state like Florida like to
preach about election integrity, well, election integrity starts with the
state doing this dog gone job.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I'm a congo.

Speaker 20 (01:22:45):
Thank you so much, jas And for your incredible work
over the years. It's really powerful and it's impacted so
many lives. I want to know if you can speak
to whether there is a racial or political dynamic in
terms of food's being targeted, because from a instance, we
see it's black folks and people who are more likely
to vote Democrat. I've heard about stories about people in

(01:23:07):
retirement communities like the villages that's primarily Republican people who
have actually voted twice intentionally and didn't receive any types
of reprimand or little reprimand could you speak to some
of that athosparity in terms of who's actually being targeted.

Speaker 13 (01:23:21):
So, yeah, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 28 (01:23:23):
Fun of this is good news and bad news, right,
but you know, I think one of the best things
that happened was actually the first two people that went
to trial for that were arrested by the Selection Integrity
Unit were actually people who were registered Republicans who voted
for Donald Trump. And I thought that that was great, right,

(01:23:43):
because I knew they wasn't coming for them. Maybe it was,
I don't know, because at the time, you know, the
governor was a candidate for the Republican nomination for president.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Right.

Speaker 28 (01:23:54):
But what we've seen with the arrest of these two
individuals that were registered Republican, it's an amazing opportunity to
talk about voting in a way that went beyond just race.
But when you step back and just look at the
counties that were targeted, you would see more progressive leaning counties.

Speaker 13 (01:24:13):
You would see more.

Speaker 28 (01:24:16):
Counties that had heavy African American Latino population that was
being targeted as opposed to other counties.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:24:23):
And then you see Morolla, the.

Speaker 28 (01:24:26):
Cases that you was talking about that the courts throughout
was courts was the cases in which our lawyers challenged
the jurisdiction of the statewide prosecutor to even bring those charges, right.
And because what we're seeing was that the statewide Office
of Prosecution was selecting the counties in which they wanted

(01:24:46):
to obsert the power of the state attorney, right in
counties in which they didn't want the state attorney to
make a determination about whether or not the file charges
they exerted their so called authority to do so, and
it just so happened that it was the only counties
they did that in were counties that had progressive das

(01:25:08):
or das that were from the Democratic Party.

Speaker 13 (01:25:12):
They never took over.

Speaker 28 (01:25:14):
They never usurped the power of a DA that was
a registered Republican. They never did that, And so that
was very telling. It was very disappointing. But like I said,
the civil lining is is that even when they were
just coming and targeting specific counties, right when they cast
that net, it caught some of their own people. And

(01:25:36):
now it allowed us to have a much broader conversation
about how ridiculous this is, how and the hell the
state could start arresting people because of mistakes that they made,
not the mistakes that a person made.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Wow, any other questions from palents? All right, well that's
been we appreciated.

Speaker 13 (01:25:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Good luck in the lawsuit.

Speaker 13 (01:26:02):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Yeah, and I'm surprised Desmond.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Well, first of all, you at the office, but I
know at home you would have had your lights and
all your all your other just just for everybody who's watching.

Speaker 26 (01:26:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Desmond tries his best to keep up uh with technology
in yours truly, uh, And it just drives them crazy
because he'd be like, good job. Bros'd be like, yo,
ro I got something new. Then I go that's nice,
here's or something like damn, I gotta get that one too.
So we're always and his wife Sheena.

Speaker 28 (01:26:37):
Thank you on the job, and I'm sure they gonna
bring if he's gonna bring it for you, uh to
get on the job.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
For me and his wife. Sheena is like, stop it.
You can't compete with Roland. Stop buying stuff. Desmond.

Speaker 13 (01:26:52):
Ah, Yeah, I'm gonna get you on these days.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
All right, We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
All right, my brother, I appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (01:26:58):
Thanks a lot, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
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You can always count on Alabama doing some stupid stuff.
House Bill four into law will allow for June teenth
on of course, celebrated on June nineteenth, to become a
state holiday, but state employees could choose between recognizing June
tenth or the birthday of one of the greatest traders
in American history, Jefferson Davis on June third. Now June

(01:30:41):
teen celebrates the end of slavery in the United States.
Jefferson Davis Day honors the band who wanted to keep slavery.
Some see this bill as a compromise, a way to
give people a choice and make June tenth more acceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Is this some bullshit, Derek?

Speaker 22 (01:31:01):
I always I always find an amazing rolling that anytime
relates to black people. Let's just make this plane. We
always got to compromise, we always got to share, right.
This is almost like saying black lives matter, Well, what
about white lives matter?

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Right?

Speaker 22 (01:31:20):
I mean, it just it just frustrates me to no end.
They should not have a choice in Alabama. Juneteenth is
a federal holiday.

Speaker 13 (01:31:34):
But you're going to.

Speaker 22 (01:31:35):
Try to, you know, lessen the blow for the state
employees in Alabama and give them a choice.

Speaker 13 (01:31:42):
Really, you're gonna get true. So do we have a
choice rolling for fourth of July? Do we have a choice?
You know?

Speaker 22 (01:31:51):
For for a Black History Month? They gave us one day,
they got the other eleven. And so I just find
it it's always that we have to compromise when it
comes to black people.

Speaker 13 (01:32:02):
It's just frustrating to no end.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
But the crazy thing here, I'm a congo. So y'all
want to make the day that it is designated.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
To celebrate the end of.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Slavery in Texas a state holiday, But you want to
give the option to celebrate the birthday of the enslaver
and the man who wanted to keep the who left
the Confederacy to keep the very thing that you will celebrate,

(01:32:38):
go ahead.

Speaker 20 (01:32:41):
And the celebrated man who said that he'd even want
the Confederate flag flowing at his funeral.

Speaker 21 (01:32:46):
You know, when they lost, right if they lost. Look,
this is amazing this country.

Speaker 20 (01:32:51):
I don't know any country in the world that celebrates
losers as much as the United States does. And they
want to keep the Confederate idea alive, the idea of
the loss caused alive. And then the question I have
Roland is how does this get taught in schools? Because
we see what Alabama's doing as it relates to getting
rid of our history and in all of this fake
critical race dairy legislation that people are passing, how are

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they handling this? What is this going to look like
in the books? Because I'm sure they're not even going
to be talking about Juneteenth in the books. And so
they give the employees the option to choose which holidays
they want to recognize. But then in the books they
can't even read about the stuffer. You can't even teach
about it. The hypocrisy is so real, but it shows
how they're just trying to hold on to everything in
every way, shape or form. And we have to continue

(01:33:37):
to fight, We have to continue to speak up, we
have to continue to call out this hypocrisy. And all
of those you know, white folks who lived out in
Alabama who claim to go to the rallies and believe
in black lives matter and say, are y'all speaking up
or are y' all challenging the government on this?

Speaker 21 (01:33:51):
This can't just be a black people issue. If you
believe that.

Speaker 20 (01:33:54):
Our history matters and that our lives matter, you should
be speaking up as well. But again, Roland, we continue,
not we, but in this country, there are so many
elements here who want to continue to celebrate the losers.

Speaker 21 (01:34:06):
This is what Trump is playing off of.

Speaker 20 (01:34:07):
And if we continue to push back, we will eventually
win and stop having to compromise on situations like this.
This is the start, but it's not gonna be where
it's gonna end, because we're gonna get the full recognition
and Jefferson Davis, the loser, is not gonna be there.
It's just a matter of time. This is where we
are today, but it's not where it's gonna last truly.

Speaker 23 (01:34:24):
On I'm just laughing, Rolod, I can't stop laughing the
temerity of Alabama, the other nerve of them to try
to pair Jefferson Davis with Juneteenth. The problem is that
while it's hilarious on one hand, it raises challenges on
the other, for black employees in particular, people have to

(01:34:45):
make a choice. Will people be pressured to make the
Jefferson Davis choice? What role will human resources play this?
Will this be a red flag for racists? There are
a lot of questions that are raised. How will the
choice be made? You go on to hr one June Teeth.
While it's hilarious and it's ahistorical, it's so ahistorical. People

(01:35:05):
don't keep behaving. It's the Confederacy. We're just some states
rights group. Where we go and read the Confederates Constitution.
They talk about being built on the premise that black
people are inferior, built on the premise. So when you
celebrate Jefferson Davis, what you're celebrating is the premise that
black people are inferior. Now we know that there are

(01:35:28):
many who do believe that, but let's be clear, don't
give me this. Oh, we're just celebrating our history. The
daughters of the Confederate Revolution. We just celebrate our ancestry.
The ancestors were sacks of you know what, who basically
revel in enslavement because they could not have had a
Southern economy without free black labor.

Speaker 10 (01:35:50):
So when you.

Speaker 23 (01:35:51):
Celebrate Jefferson, say Davis, that's what you're celebrating. And when
you're celebrating jun teeth, you're celebrating freedom, the end of enslavement,
the imperfect end of slavery because it has continued. Again,
the pairing of the two is cynical. It's cynical, beyond cynical,
and it's a historic And again we're talking to Alabama.

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We looked at the numbers in terms of incomes. We
could look at the numbers in terms of education, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana,
sometimes Arkansas consistently at the bottom of the pile.

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Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
All right, folks, time for when.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
This is National Minority Health of Month, and we're examining
mental health versus mental illness.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
We all, we all are on the mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Spectrum, but that doesn't mean we have the illness to
talk about. That is doctor Don Brown, a child, adult
and sports psychiatrist out of Houston Dot Glad to have
you on the show. So explain the difference we talk
about people who struggle with their mental health versus those
who have mental illness. All right, let's get Doc's a

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We'll come back. We'll get our signal straight right back
on the show.

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I think because people are scared of going to the
high school, you.

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Know, the high school.

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I would love to bring it back, and I think
we could bring it back.

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You know what do you think?

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When you people, We'll do a pope.

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Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
All right, folks, we're talking the difference between mental health
mental illness, doctor, Doc Brown, Jones, so dot, so explain
it different people talk about focusing on their mental health,
even when you talk about folks with depression. We're here
to have the blues, but that's not mental illness, so
explain it to yes, so we are all on the.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
Mental health spectrum. First of all, thank you for having
me and Rolande. I appreciate being here. Mental health is
simply what we think about as far as our psychological, sociological.

Speaker 9 (01:44:23):
Emotional well being.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
So it's how we think, how we act, how we
respond to situations, how we're able to get through the
tough times, how we're able to battle out the stressors that.

Speaker 9 (01:44:33):
We may experience on the day to day life.

Speaker 5 (01:44:34):
So, you know, if you want to put this in
simplest terms, it's how we think rationally, recognizing our limitations,
our boundaries, making sure that we're coping well with our
changes from the day to day functioning our losses, our
trauma that we may experience, and making meaningful contributions to society.
Mental illness, on the other hand, is a disease, so

(01:44:55):
it's identified clinical features that contribute to condition or disorders illness, whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:45:03):
Word you use, what language you use, but it's a disease.

Speaker 5 (01:45:06):
So these are conditions like depression, anxiety, post traumatic stress
disorder OCD ADHD. These are identified conditions that are commonly
used or are commonly treated by medication management therapies different
other the non medication therapies to help a person.

Speaker 9 (01:45:23):
Get through their day to day functioning as well.

Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
And they also present on a spectrum such as ADHD
or autism. So not everyone who has depression may have,
you know, decrease in their appetite or sleeping poorly. They
may also present with decreased focused and concentration or even
sadly suicidal thoughts. So it's a spectrum condition based on
the severity of symptoms, based on the actual symptoms that

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deserves treatment.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
What have you seen it escalates somebody who who has
mental health issues, that it escalates into mental illness.

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
I have, And that's why it's so important for us
to take care of our day to day functioning because
mental health issues or condition or issues can also present
an increased risk for someone to experience an actual illness
or a condition. So, yes, we have seen these numbers
largely escalate naturally. I can give you some stats here.
One in five adult Americans have reported mental health illness

(01:46:24):
within a particular year, So that's about forty four million
adult Americans each year have reported some type of mental illness,
not even a symptom, but an illness. The suicide rate
in ages ten to about thirty five is the second
leading cause of death. When we're considering black males, it's
known as the Silent epidemic. The suicide risk and black

(01:46:46):
males over a five year period has escalated by forty
three percent. In Black women over a ten year span,
that's also escalated as being number one in ethnicity and
gender as being suicide.

Speaker 9 (01:46:58):
Being the number one risk in women and black girls.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
So you know, suicide attempts can also present risk factors
for actually completing suicide.

Speaker 9 (01:47:09):
So that's like people are.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
Teenagers who often come to me and say they're you know,
reporting self harming behavior like cutting or self immutlities, mutilizing
their bodies.

Speaker 9 (01:47:18):
That actually places people at increase risk as well.

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
So these numbers are staggering, So it is important that
we take care of our day to day functioning in
order to prevent these risks from becoming stats. And then
also illnesses that people require treatment, so we're all about
preventative care.

Speaker 28 (01:47:34):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Questions from the panel.

Speaker 13 (01:47:36):
Derek, you first, doctor Brown, appreciate the work that you're doing.

Speaker 22 (01:47:40):
And my question as it relates to Georgia, since nineteen
ninety seven, Georgia started closing their facilities that dealt with
mental health and mental illness. And since nineteen ninety seven
when they started closing these state facilities, those who are
experiencing mental illness, you know, challenges either end up in

(01:48:01):
the hospital or the jail cell. But now we're starting
to turn the corner twenty five years later and we're
building a facility and the challenge that we're having right now.
We can't find enough clinicians and it's going to take
a couple of years to build this facility.

Speaker 15 (01:48:18):
What do you.

Speaker 22 (01:48:19):
Recommend for us to do to mitigate this problem while
we open up a new facility that we haven't had
in the last twenty five years.

Speaker 5 (01:48:29):
So, very good question. I'm actually multi state licensed. One
of those states is Georgia. And one of the things
this is a multi level problem, right, So you start
with the federal obligations to make sure that we have
financial information or literacy as well as financial means to

(01:48:49):
make sure that we're actually supporting psychiatrists to actually go
to these rules, right. I mean, if you think about
how many psychiatrists are produced, it's about fifty four thousand
psychiatrists in the United States. Currently one percent of those
psychiatrists are actually in the office.

Speaker 9 (01:49:05):
Eighty five to eighty six.

Speaker 5 (01:49:07):
Percent are actually government fundage psychiatrists, and then those of
one percent who are in the office, for example, are
from the bioby community. So when you're thinking about the
people that you're treating in these facilities, when you're thinking
about where these facilities are located, which states, whether it's
the funding that's supporting these facilities, not just opening them,

(01:49:27):
but maintaining the opening and making sure that the people
are getting what they need and deserve, and then the
aftercare so to prevent them from re entering these facilities
as well. All these things and all these components are
part of the infrastructure that we're currently are very problematic
because there's just not the sustainable infrastructure that we can

(01:49:50):
actually use right now to make sure that we're providing equitable,
inadequate care for these individuals, first of all, to prevent
them from having to go to facilities, but hopefully just
to go to the day to day maintenance appointments versus
going to long term residential facilities because they've been dealing
with the mental illness that has been gone unnoticed and
therefore untreated. So there's a multitude of issues there. Then

(01:50:14):
you think about the uninsured and underinsured. You know, when
you have uninsured, you have people who can afford insurance.

Speaker 9 (01:50:21):
And we're not talking about medical insurance.

Speaker 5 (01:50:23):
We're talking about mental health insurance, which often doesn't come
with their medical insurance, and often it's a separate insurance
plan that people are forced to get if they're dealing
with a mental health crisis or illness, and then you
talk about the under assured.

Speaker 9 (01:50:34):
These are individuals who have insurance but it's not adequate.

Speaker 5 (01:50:37):
Enough to provide equable care, or they don't provide care
at all.

Speaker 9 (01:50:41):
So you know, these are again some issues that we're.

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
Dealing with, and we're trying to find mental health coverage,
particularly in the states of Georgia, Texas where I'm at,
in order to provide the best care possible for patients
in our community.

Speaker 23 (01:50:58):
Jillian doctor Brown, first of all, thank you for your
work and thanks for the stats that you shared. I
think they're really important and we need to drill down
on them. I'm thinking as you were speaking, I was
thinking of Anso Zaki Shange for Colored girls who considered
suicide when the rainbow is enough, because I'm thinking especially
about black women's mental health. Been two really notable black

(01:51:19):
women's suicides recently, black women who are highly accomplished. So
these became very public Lincoln University in Missouri where a
sister who was an administrator kill itself. What's up with
these visible Black women and suicide and what can we
do to make sure that these very highly visible women

(01:51:40):
get the support they need.

Speaker 7 (01:51:41):
Often when you got it all going on.

Speaker 23 (01:51:43):
People think it's all everything's okay, but you know, as
someone who experienced his depression, I will tell you that
sometimes you look good and it's not good. What can
we do to provide support systems for black women who
are in crisis?

Speaker 9 (01:51:57):
Thank you so much for raising this very important time topic.

Speaker 5 (01:52:00):
I actually lost a close friend last month who died
by suicide, who was actually an outstanding citizen and physician
in our community. One of the problems is that there's
not safe, adequate care for even the professional woman Black
women to get care. Maybe a fear of someone you know,
finding out about her personal lifestyle. Where would she go

(01:52:23):
if she especially she's a physician like my friend, in
order to receive services and maintain the privacy of the
treatment that she receives. This mentality that black women wear
these capes and where the crowns and takes care of
a society. You know, that was kind of the analogy
that we often use from enslaved days that is basically
outdated tools, right, so you know, pulling up the bootstraps

(01:52:46):
and making she stuck it up and you're going to
be okay. Mentality has also you know, trickled down from
generations to generations to everyday moderate living now, which doesn't
suffice to the demands of the society of working Black
women today. So it's time to take off those cakes.
It's been time to do that. Understand where human first.
Understand we have needs regardless of your socio economical class, race, culture,

(01:53:10):
whatever community you come from, your human first, and recognizing
what mental illness looks like.

Speaker 9 (01:53:16):
You know, what does depression look like? So if a
grandmother came into my office, a black.

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
Female and said she was tired, does that mean she's
physically fatigued.

Speaker 9 (01:53:24):
It also can believe she's emotionally tired.

Speaker 13 (01:53:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
Having cultural competent physicians or clinicians that are trained in
these areas to relate to the populations that they're seeing
is important to make sure that they're identifying these symptoms
when they're not specifically laid out like they are in
our diagnostissistic manual.

Speaker 9 (01:53:44):
And everyone doesn't fit that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:46):
I mean that manual is designed for the average white
male and so less than one percent of minorities we're even.

Speaker 9 (01:53:51):
Used to identify what depression looks like.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
It's time for us to really sit down and talk
to our patients, but also listen. Listening is so important
in our community groups and one on one with you know,
my patients with our spiritual groups are just girlfriend groups
and understanding that hey, listen, let's share stories. Because I
think that if people can identify that they're not alone

(01:54:17):
in this journey, then they're more apt to talk, they're
more apt to trust, they're more apt to reach out there,
especially when they need help.

Speaker 9 (01:54:24):
And so understanding what resources are communities is important so that.

Speaker 5 (01:54:28):
When your friend does need help, you know where to
refer them, understand how to make sure that they're safely monitored,
and then also if they do need hospitalization, what does
that look like after their discharge, because that's sometimes people
fall through the cracks there.

Speaker 9 (01:54:44):
So there's so many things that we could actually talk
about and make sure that we are aware of so
that we know how to manage this for us or
for the people that we love.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I'm a congo.

Speaker 20 (01:54:58):
Give brown A really appreciate all of your incredible work
and advocacy. I have a question relating to the COVID pandemic.
People talk often about long term COVID, about the medical
issues that people still have after getting COVID, but I
want to know what your thoughts are about long term
COVID as relates a long term mental health and mental illness,
because there was so much stress and depression and things

(01:55:21):
that transpired. And now people kind of act like, because
we're out of the physical pandemic, that some of those
stresses that arise during that time must be gone as well.

Speaker 21 (01:55:30):
Can you speak a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:55:31):
To that very great questions here, Yes, And so the
thing about the pandemic, it actually presented a situation where
none of us could prepare for. Before twenty twenty, we
were already dealing with the mental health crises that again
those stats that I mentioned, particularly in African American women
and girls as well as Black men, there were already
epidemics in these groups. And so now here comes the

(01:55:52):
pandemic to catastriphize further what people had already been dealing
with and still continue not to be able.

Speaker 9 (01:55:59):
To deal with on so many terms.

Speaker 5 (01:56:01):
So, like you're mentioning, you know, being infected with COVID,
maybe job loss during COVID, financial stressors, domestic issues, right,
all these things contribute to COVID that people have not.

Speaker 9 (01:56:12):
Been able to even manage right now, So not just.

Speaker 5 (01:56:16):
The physical symptoms of clog. You know what I often
hear as foggy brain. I'm an ADHD expert also of
ADG myself a mental illness, and I often hear people
talk about, well, I can't focus, I can't concentrate, which
are some common symptoms of ADHD, but also common symptoms
of depression, common sences of anxiety. People stop, not really

(01:56:36):
you know, still going back to their primary care doctor
just to get physical valuations.

Speaker 9 (01:56:39):
I'm ordering labs and they haven't had labs in years, to.

Speaker 5 (01:56:43):
Understand that there are may be medical, underlying, medical contributing
factors since COVID that they haven't followed up on that
remain an issue that are now affecting their cognitive or
executive functioning.

Speaker 9 (01:56:54):
And so there's a multitude of factors here.

Speaker 5 (01:56:57):
And so as a psychiatrist and medical doctor, I'm actually
finding myself asking all of these questions when I'm presented
with patients who are talking about just decreased focus and concentration,
finding out that many of them have not been able
to receive adequate and equable services for their mental health care. So, yes,
this long COVID phenomenon has raised issues in certain communities,

(01:57:20):
particularly by the communities, and that actually continue. So we
still really need to identify these things. And I urge
my primary care doctors to really specifically ask about people
on how they're feeling and then lead the conversation into understanding, well,
does this feeling also propose or predispose them to having
mental challenges or even a mental illness, because again we're

(01:57:44):
missing the boat when we're.

Speaker 9 (01:57:45):
Missing out on asking these type of important questions.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
All right, well, doctor Schulle, appreciate it. Thank you so
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Speaker 9 (01:57:53):
Thank you for having me.

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