June 8, 2021 • 31 mins
Co-hosts Adrienne Herbert and Tamara Pridgett speak to Meg Boggs, powerlifter, body-positivity advocate, and author. Meg dives into the challenging path that led her to powerlifting, how fitness helped her heal her relationship with her body, and why for Meg, fitness is about more than just physical strength but also mental strength.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We want to give you a disclaimer to warn you
that this episode contains sensitive conversations about disordered eating and depression.
With powerlifting and finding that connection with my body, I've
discovered that I do deserve to be here. So in
those moments where I feel, you know, the anxiety starting
to rise, I can pull myself out of that. If
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I'm moving my body and I'm lifting weights, it gives
me so much confidence outside of just physical strength. This
is what the Details a collaboration with Underrama and I
Heart Radio, a podcast made for women by women that
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puts our training journeys, goals, and mindset at the center.
I'm camera Pridget and I'm Adrian Herbert's. Every episode we'll
hear from athletes, trainers, and experts who will give us
insights into how our bodies and minds work together in
training and competition. In today's episode, we are talking about
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body positivity. Today we're joined by Meg Bog's. She's a
badass powerlifter and now she's also an author. Her new book,
Fitness for Everybody is available now for purchase, and she's
going to be talking to us about body inclusivity in
the fitness space. Tamara I'm so glad that we are
having this conversation, and I really feel like it's just
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so important for us to listen and hold space to
hear from our guests today. Yeah, I completely agree with you,
and I'm really glad we've got to sit down with
her today. Absolutely, And for anyone who already knows Meg Boggs,
maybe you follow her online, maybe you've seen her on Instagram.
She has so much energy and sharing her voice and
using her platform to empower others. So I know that
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the conversation today is going to be great. The Quest
Journal of Kinesiology states that modern cultural idealizations of thin
bodies have created a climate in which fat individuals are
stigmatized in physical activity spaces. The article states that the
current model of physical spaces prizes them bodies and stigmatizes
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larger ones, creating an unwelcoming climate. The authors argue that
what is really needed is a body inclusive space to
encourage participation of people within marginalized bodies. I absolutely agree.
I think if anyone feels like they are not accepted
or wanted at a boutique fitness studio, outside, at a park,
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on a track, wherever they choose to exercise like that
is such a horrible feeling. And so I do think
that it's our responsibility. When I say are I mean
like the clients, I mean the gym owners, everybody. I
think it's our responsibility to make sure that people feel
welcomed in these spaces because it's it's so important, like
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everyone deserves to be able to move freely without feeling
like they're being judged or criticized. Absolutely, and ultimately that's
what we want, right, That's why we're here, That's what
we talk about. We're here to encourage and to empower
and hopefully to include everybody to get active, to stay active,
and to you know, focus on the goal. So shall
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we dive into this week's conversation. Yes, I'm really ready
for this conversation. Yes, let's do this. I may thank
you so much for joining us on Sweat the Details.
How are you doing today? I'm doing good. Welcome to
the pod. I guess a really great place to start,
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Meg would be if you could tell us and tell
the listeners you know, when and how you started your
fitness journey. Yeah. So basically, um, I was in sports
growing up. You know, I loved just moving my body
I loved volleyball and basketball and shot put. They all
made me really happy until I was kicked out of
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athletics in ninth grade. I got into a fight because
I was being bullied so much. I was bullied throughout
all of my you know, elementary middle school, especially in athletics,
and I got kicked off the team and I never
really was able to embrace sports or fitness again. Um.
It was kind of like traumatizing for me, just because
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I wanted to be a coach. Like since I was little,
I wanted to be a coach. Growing up. I always
envisioned myself being around kids and just helping the community.
It was a big dream of mine that was just
all kind of taken away from me abruptly. So I
avoided it for a very long time. It was until
I was in my twenties whenever I decided to start
working out again, and it was because my doctor actually
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told me that in order to have kids, that I
would have to lose at least a hundred pounds and
that was overwhelming for me because I felt like that
was my only option if I wanted to start a family,
and so that's why I started working out. So for
about three years. I was all about just working out
as much as possible, Like I always wanted to burn
more than a thousand calories every workout that I did.
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I was restricting myself from life in general. I wasn't
eating very much, um, but I was getting a lot
of praise for that because my body was shrinking. And
so I was just trying to navigate my relationship with
exercise and fitness and thinking of my childhood and how
that was a big dream of mine. And so, long
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story short, I fell in love with powerlifting after I
had my daughter. I didn't really have a good relationship
with exercise up until that point, and when I had
my daughter, I was like, I have to do something different.
I can't keep on this path of treating exercise like
it's some punishment for me, that that it's what I deserve,
you know, I deserve to be sweaty and you know,
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crying inside. And that was supposed to be my story.
And so I just changed my whole kind of perspective,
and little by little, I just started trying to dismantle
that whole idea in my head that I had to
be something different, something what other people wanted. And I
went after my dream and I started powerlifting. I was
eight weeks postpartum, and I just went for it, pick
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up a barbell, and then, like the rest is history,
I just I kept doing it, kept going back to it.
I fell in love with the way that it made
me feel, the confidence that it gave me. It just
completely changed my life and changed the way that I
view fitness and movement. And you know that relationship and
connection that we have with our bodies, going from loving
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sports and fitness when you were little, to being bullied
and then having sort of like a negative relationship with
it as you were older, and then loving it again.
Was that like a linear journey for you? Or did
you have moments where you kind of went back and forth. Yeah,
So it was definitely up and down throughout that you know,
three year period of me working out to lose weight.
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I feel like the ups were mostly whenever I would
get those little moments of like feeling good. You know,
how you work out, your endorphins are just like you
just feel good inside. It's hard to describe, but there
were moments that I also afterwards would feel guilt or
shame or embarrassed because I couldn't do things. So there
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was a lot of like confusion for me back and forth,
and I didn't like actually let go of that shame
until maybe about a year and a half to two
years ago. But yeah, it was definitely up and down.
I'm really interested to know as well, Mike. Often, I
think when we talk about people's journey and a lot
of what you've described, it's quite individual, you know, when
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we think about how it made you feel, and like
maybe when you decided to make change after having your
daughter in that passion, but also did you have support
in this journey? Who supports you now? Well, right now,
I mostly have It's my husband. He's been there of
the time. He was there through my horrible relationship with exercise.
I was making him do all of these things. I
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think he knew that I was like struggling, but he
never really knew how much until I started talking about it,
you know a few years later. But during that time
I felt very alone, even in a sense of like
my marriage from him, because I just felt like I
couldn't turn back, like I couldn't erase the fact that
I had to be on the sweet lust journ, like
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that had to be my story. I had to be
on a weight lost journey. I couldn't just be, you know,
someone who really really loved exercising and working out and
playing sports and doing recreational things like that couldn't be
my identity at all. It had to be the transformation.
I had to be proving to people that the exercise
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I was doing, the work that I was doing, was
worth it, that I was paying off. I've never really
like understood how to you know, embrace fitness without being
attached to that label, to that before picture. Um, that's
how I'm represented everywhere that I go is I'm the before.
So throughout all of that, I've had to kind of
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be my own support person because I didn't know who
to trust. I didn't know if I could talk to somebody,
even my husband, and say, I don't want this to
be about weight loss anymore. I don't want like, you
can't do this anymore, Like I am I have a disorder.
I do you see how I'm eating? Like I'm eating
an onion for dinner. That's not normal. It's not normal
to eat five calories a day, and I can't do
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this anymore. So above all, it was myself, like that's
really all that I could turn to. And I think
a lot of people that go probably through this type
of thing feel that way as well, because like who
who do you talk to? Who do you open up to? Yeah,
that's so Yeah. I think that's inner strength and that
resilience that you talk about. And you know, you're also
somebody who you know a lot of people who follow
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you online, you know, they look to you for that
that confidence. You know that you have a smile on
your face when you know you post your videos, and
I think it encourages people not only maybe if they're
on that journey themselves, but also just to see someone
who's really owning their message, their confidence, their truth. I
know you've spoken very honestly and very openly about mental
health and that relationship that we have with ourselves. So
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how has power lifting and strength training in particular, how
has that helped that? Well, it's definitely helped me like
tap into you know who I am inside. You know,
I I've had a lot of really really difficult depressive
seasons in my life, and I've never really figured out,
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you know, up until the last few years, how to
navigate when thoughts and things become so intrusive. Um, when
you live in a world that is doing everything possible
to look nothing like you. It becomes so much that
you feel like if I can't ever look like not
myself and I can't look like other people, I don't
deserve to be here. And so that's the path that
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my mind would always take. And now I feel like,
with powerlifting and finding that connection with my body, I've
discovered that that, you know, I, I do deserve to
be here. So in those moments where I feel, you know,
the anxiety starting to rise and my mental health kind
of declining, I can pull myself out of that. Usually
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if I'm moving my body and I'm lifting weight, it
pulls me out. It pulls me out, and I've never
been in that dark, depressing season since I've been power lifting.
I feel like I still have anxiety. I still do
have those little moments, but they're not as dark, they're
not as deep because I feel so much more like
I I belong here, and then I deserve to be here,
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and then I deserve to take up space, and then
it's okay to use my voice and it's it gives
me so much confidence outside of just physical strength. I
love that. Yeah, um, I actually want to go back
to something you said that I have on repeat in
my head right now. You said that you felt like
you had to have like this weight lost journey story,
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and I'm curious was that just something you felt personally
or was that influenced by society or was it a combination.
It was definitely the societal pressure, for sure. Every experience
that I've had in my entire life has revolved around
the size of my body. Since I was very young,
kids have bullied me and pointed it out. In athletics,
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my coaches pointed out and said, you know that I
would need to make sure that I was running a
mile every day, And by the time I was in
high school, the same thing. It was all about the
size of my body. I'm prescribed weight loss, going to
the doctor for a sore throat. It's never not brought up.
So it's hard to feel like that doesn't have to
be your journey whenever literally everything and everyone around you
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is convincing you that it is. Especially in fitness, no
matter what program, it always starts with step one, take
up before photo, because you're going to change and that
should be something you really are paying attention to, which
is fine. A lot of people do that. There's nothing
wrong with it, but it doesn't need to be a requirement.
It doesn't need to be the first step. That's been
my only option my entire life. So at some point
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you either cave into it and do everything it takes
to make that happen, or you say no, I'm I'm
choosing me, I'm choosing my mental health, I'm choosing life.
I'm not going to follow that restrictive path anymore. I
can't do that anymore. M I mean, I'm sure everyone
listening can probably relate, absolutely so, in your opinion, how
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can we make fitness wellness, these two major industries, how
can we make them more body inclusive to people that
aren't cist gender, white women, that have different abilities, that
have different body types. I don't know. There's obviously not
one perfect answer, but it's constantly on my mind. Yeah,
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I mean, I think it just comes down to the representation.
I don't think there's any representation outside of that in
the fitness world. I think that we should appreciate the
fact that there are so many different types of bodies
out there, and we need to see them. We need
to see them on posters and advertisements. You know on
you know models for active where we need to see them?
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Where are they there? They're out there, but why why
why don't we see them? I think that would be
a really really great start, would be just representation, and
then activewear, make activewear for all bodies. Like, there's probably
less than twenty places total that I can actually shop
at in my size for activewear, and out of those,
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maybe about three to five actually fit me well and
I can perform in them and they aren't rolling down
and they're comfortable. So there's just no options. And so
if we're telling people exercise is great, it's so good
for you, you need to get out there and do
it and it's for your health. If we're pushing that message,
I mean, we should be providing the comfortable activewear in
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order to do so, and then not get upset if
there's mannequins that are showing people like in my size,
what would that look like on me? I mean, there's
so many things that we could be doing, and I've
just never understood why we're not. Why we always have
to just shove everybody in a corner and then just
lift up one ideal body type. Really, I know this
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conversation is about body positivity. So what are your thoughts
on body positivity. Do you consider yourself like a body
positive person or is there another term that you prefer
to use. Well, I think the difference is that body positivity.
You know, it started as a movement to uplift marginalized
voices and bodies. It was all supposed to be about
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uplifting those people, having them represented and seen and heard
and respected and valued in society. And it's been commercialized
because now it's been transformed into a self love movement
instead of its original purpose. And so I think of
myself as someone who is kind of a bit of both.
You know, I'm body positive in a sense that I'm
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doing everything possible to make sure that marginalized communities are
represented and that their voices are heard and amplified. Well,
at the same time, I'm working on my internal self love.
That sounds good. I'd love to talk a little bit
now about the book. So you've written a book and
it's been released recently, Fitness for Everybody. So can you
tell us about the book and your inspiration really for
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writing it. I just wanted this book to be something
for everybody, for the mom who just had a baby
and is getting ads on social media telling her she
has to bounce back and lose the baby weight and
feels all this pressure. It's for the person who had
a horrible relationship with exercise, who is just trying to
navigate their way back and get moving again. It's for
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the person who has been depressed, who's felt suicidal, who's
not felt like there's a place in the world for them,
who is trying to just embrace movement and get out
of that horrible mindset of punishment and restriction. I have,
you know, a twelve weeks strength training guide that's very
basic for anyone who's just now starting out, who just
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has a set of dumbbells, who wants to work out
at home. UM, it's a lot of different things, and
I just wanted people to feel like there was something
out there that wasn't telling them they need to change
if they're starting a fitness journey, that there's so many
other things that are available to them that they're going
to benefit from when they do start their fitness journey.
And I'm just so excited about and I have an
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entire chapter in there about my experience at under Armour. UM.
I wrote about that because it was like the most
powerful experience that I've ever had. It was literally life changing.
That was the moment that I realized that I am
an athlete and that athletes come in all different shapes, sizes, colors, abilities.
I really like that too. Well make this book sounds
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super amazing and I feel like there is a little
bit of something for everybody, and once again, it's just
a great reminder that fitness is for all of us. Absolutely.
I'm sure you've probably touched on this in your book,
but until we all can get our hands on it,
uh in your opinion, what are some ways that people
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can begin their own journey to accepting their bodies, loving
who they are, not feeling like they need to change.
I think, um, we can allow ourselves to see ourselves.
That was one of the biggest steps I had to take.
Was looking in the mirror, was working out in front
of the mirror, was recording myself while I was working out.
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I just think that we avoid seeing ourselves because there's
things that we feel so insecure about. But the more
that we actually look at ourselves, we allow ourselves to
be seen. It gives us an opportunity to just be
us without any pressure. That's the biggest step that I took.
That's how I view wellness as well. It's just an
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active awareness, is all. It is, an active awareness to
just make choices that benefit us and impact us positively physically, financially, socially, emotionally.
It's it's choosing the clothes that fit rather than squeezing
into the size that doesn't and not caring about the
number that's on the pair of jeans. For sure, Absolutely, No.
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I wanted to jump in on a few of those
things because you listed then you know, social, emotional, there's
all of these other aspects and benefits and things that
we experience when we work out in whatever way that
is lifting, you know, running, breaking the sweat, stretching, all
of these things. But you know before when you said
that your journey was always about weight loss, it was
like every exercise you did you wanted to burn more calories.
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You said, you're strict to your calories, and how does
that change? Yeah, I would just say the behaviors is
what we should focus on, um, not so much the
outcome or the circumstances. Like weight loss is not a behavior,
and we always treat it like it is, Like so
if we change the perspective to making fitness goals that
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aren't appearance based and they're a little bit more performance based,
it starts making a little bit more fun, and it
starts making it a little bit more exciting where you
can focus on other things. I think if we focus
a hundred percent on the weight loss and on how
your body is going to change, that's always going to
be what you're focused on. There's always going to be
something that we're going to find in our appearance that
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we want to change, and it just strips us of
the actual experience of connecting with our bodies and you know,
performing better. That's really good. Um, How can someone like
myself truly be more supportive of inclusivity and fitness and wellness?
Probably just listening, I think a lot of the time
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for me personally, I feel like I haven't really been
listened to or heard. But if I had to say, like,
maybe one thing that I think would be helpful outside
of just being heard is that when you see someone
who is commenting on somebody's size who's larger, maybe speak up.
The more that we get away from using, um, a
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larger body as an attack on someone, that could make
other people think like why is it a bad word?
And also when it comes to you know, going into
fitness spaces, so whether that's going into gym environment or
a CrossFit box or track or running club. You know,
I think for a lot of people in the pandemic,
they've discovered new ways of training. Some people, you know,
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whether they've found out home fitness solutions, online classes. If
and when, hopefully things start to open up again, how
can people get from the comfort of their own home
to go into those spaces. Usually my advice would be
do a workout at home and then do it at
the gym, so like go into the gym with a
plan and a workout that you've already done before, so
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that it's nothing new. I know that there's a lot
of anxieties of getting into the gym, especially for anyone
who's plus size, because you feel like everyone's staring and
it's like I don't want to look like I don't
know what I'm doing, Like I need to look like
an expert at all times. Um, But I feel like
it's been very supportive in my experience. Yeah, I hope
that people hear that as well, that the that you've
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had a positive experience and that it is encouraging because
when people do have a negative experience, of course it
should be heard, but it's often amplified, I think, and
that puts people off because it keeps, you know, that
the idea going that it's this intense environment that's super intimidating.
And so I hope people will hear that, as you said,
you know in your experience, it's been encouraging, and that
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actually people are there to not only support you, but
they're there to do what they came to do. I
think everyone has a mutual respect as well, that they
respect the work that it takes to say, you know what,
you're here. You showed up, I'm here, I showed up.
Let's go. Yeah. That's kind of the vibe that I
feel every time I go to the gym. I haven't
had any bad experiences. I feel like the biggest takeaways
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from this conversation we're having right now to me is like, one,
listen to people too, don't project your own anything onto others.
Three calling out things that are wrong or not okay
or hurtful to people like calling them out. And we
see it, whether it's on a smaller level or a
larger level, and then also just like amplifying the voices
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and the people um across the spectrum that exists in
this world that should be represented and seen in fitness.
That's I feel like, those are the takeaways that I'm
getting from this, and I'm I'm just really glad we're
having this conversation because it is so important and I
don't think it's being had enough. I agree. I'm so
thankful to be here and have this conversation because the
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more people that this message can reach and the more
conversations that we can have, I mean, that's how we're
going to create change. Coming up next, more of our
interview with meg Box. Welcome back to today's episode with
our guests meg Box. This is a perfect time to
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move on to our next section of the show, which
we're calling love It or Leave It. So it's kind
of like a fun game, and we'd love for you
to tell us if you would love it or leave it.
We're gonna run through a list and you can tell us,
meg if you're gonna love it or you're gonna leave it. Okay,
I'm ready. Okay, So I think I know the answer
to this one. Working out in front of the mirror.
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Oh love it, distance, running, leave it, pre work out,
energy drinks, love it, protein drinks, love it all. Kinds
working out outside in the cold, Oh leave it. Okay,
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this one I said, I could go either way. Working
out without music, just to know you like, focus on
the form, the technique, leave it. Need the music for sure.
Wearing makeup to go to the gym, leave it. It's
always a disaster every time. And like my husband doesn't
tell me, and I'm like, why didn't you tell me? Like,
what is happening? What are you looking forward to in
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your fitness journey right now? I'd like this question. I
really really want to hit a pr this year on
all of my lifts on Dead Life, squat and bench specifically.
That's like number one kind of goal that I really
really really want to hit this year that I've been
trading so hard towards UM and then running a mile
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and under ten minutes that's a huge, huge goal. I'm hopeful.
I've been doing interval sprinting and things to just kind
of build my endurance. Those are like my big ones.
I just I really hope I hit those prs. I'm like,
I got this awesome. Well, thank you for sharing. It's
always great to hear goals. Tamara and I also share
our goals and hope to hear from the listeners and
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what their goals are. So thank you for sharing those,
and thank you for being such an awesome guest. Thank
you so much for your time. I'm really excited to
get your book. I'm excited to watch you crush all
your goals and route you on. Oh, thank you. This
was amazing. Wow. Okay, that was such an interesting conversation
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with Meg. I completely agree with you, and I'm so
thankful for Meg for being so vulnerable with us and
just sharing all these various aspects of her relationship with
sport and wellness with us. Yeah, she was super vulnerable,
super honest, and what I want to take away really was,
you know, she shared such a positive message about not
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only empowering herself and making that shift in her mind,
but also what she said about the spaces, you know,
saying she never felt excluded from the gym space and
that everybody there has always been welcoming and encouraging. And
I just thought that was so great to hear and
the highlight. So I hope that the listeners will will
also hear that yeah, I completely agree. I think the
thing that stuck with me the most about the conversation
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with Meg was just the importance of representation and making
sure that everybody feels like they can see themselves. So
whether it's in a campaign, whether it's in the gear
available to them, it's so important. So that's something that
I will be thinking about all the time. And with
that being said, Meg shared her goals with us, and
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we need to check in with one another about our
fitness goals. So where are you at it's goal check
in time. Yes, So I am still working on my
goal of running a PR and a half marathon in
the next few weeks. And this has been a good week.
So I've done a lot of training this week. I've
also done a lot of recovery, a lot of mobility.
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So yeah, it's been a good week for me. How
about you, Tamara? Yeah, for me, I am still training
for the heptathlon. I have not quit, similar to You've
just really been focusing on little details like recovery. I
actually got dry needling last evening and I feel like
it just alleviated so much back pain that I was experiencing.
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But otherwise, you know, just staying on track, staying committed
to the workout plan, taking it day by day, so
I'm doing really good. Great good for you. Yeah, those
little details, as you mentioned, are ultimately you know what
adds up over time. I always think about it myself
when I'm like, oh, you know what if it's ten
it's a stretching, or oh it's going to make much difference,
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and then I'm like, yes, that compound interest, those one
percent one percent every single time, it really does add up.
So great week for us. Are there any areas that
you feel like you need our support with right now
to help you stay on track and help you reach
that personal record for your half? I would say, honestly,
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I mentioned before that once I shared this goal, I
feel like when I'm going out running, it's in my
mind like, oh no, the PR, the PR. So I'm
definitely putting pressure on myself. So any top tips from
anyone about you know, how to I guess not let
that get in my head and kind of ruin the experience,
because ultimately, this is going to be my first race
post lockdown, my first race probably in eighteen months, so
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I still want to enjoy the race and not let
that kind of pressure yeah, dominate really yeah, just like
have fun with it, enjoy with it. All those other
things will come. Like you're prepared, you know, so I
just get of trusted on race day. Oh thanks, Tamara.
So what can we do to support you to help
keep you motivated this week? It's a very good question. Um.
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I think it's one of those weeks where you know,
it's just kind of like on me. I think I
said this before. Words of encouragement would be great. Um,
I feel like it just gives you that extra extra motivation,
kind of just reminding you why you're doing whatever it
is you're doing. So that would be lovely. Okay, awesome. Well,
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as it's a Tuesday, my favorite day of the week,
my words of encouragement to you, Tamara would be there's
a whole lot of weeks still ahead of us, so
let's make the most of it. And we want to
hear how you're doing too, So reach out on social
you can cheer us on. We will cheer you onto
and let us know your goal progress. You can find
me on Twitter and on Instagram. It's at Adrian under
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School l d N and you can find me on
Instagram at TAM's Go and Ham and on Twitter at
Tamara Pridget. That's it for this week's episode, but don't
forget to join us next week when Alisa Vedy talks
to us about using our cycle to optimize our performance.
This is going to be a good one. I cannot wait.
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that this episode contains sensitive conversations about disordered eating and depression.
With powerlifting and finding that connection with my body, I've
discovered that I do deserve to be here. So in
those moments where I feel, you know, the anxiety starting
to rise, I can pull myself out of that. If
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I'm moving my body and I'm lifting weights, it gives
me so much confidence outside of just physical strength. This
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I'm camera Pridget and I'm Adrian Herbert's. Every episode we'll
hear from athletes, trainers, and experts who will give us
insights into how our bodies and minds work together in
training and competition. In today's episode, we are talking about
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body positivity. Today we're joined by Meg Bog's. She's a
badass powerlifter and now she's also an author. Her new book,
Fitness for Everybody is available now for purchase, and she's
going to be talking to us about body inclusivity in
the fitness space. Tamara I'm so glad that we are
having this conversation, and I really feel like it's just
(01:25):
so important for us to listen and hold space to
hear from our guests today. Yeah, I completely agree with you,
and I'm really glad we've got to sit down with
her today. Absolutely, And for anyone who already knows Meg Boggs,
maybe you follow her online, maybe you've seen her on Instagram.
She has so much energy and sharing her voice and
using her platform to empower others. So I know that
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the conversation today is going to be great. The Quest
Journal of Kinesiology states that modern cultural idealizations of thin
bodies have created a climate in which fat individuals are
stigmatized in physical activity spaces. The article states that the
current model of physical spaces prizes them bodies and stigmatizes
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larger ones, creating an unwelcoming climate. The authors argue that
what is really needed is a body inclusive space to
encourage participation of people within marginalized bodies. I absolutely agree.
I think if anyone feels like they are not accepted
or wanted at a boutique fitness studio, outside, at a park,
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on a track, wherever they choose to exercise like that
is such a horrible feeling. And so I do think
that it's our responsibility. When I say are I mean
like the clients, I mean the gym owners, everybody. I
think it's our responsibility to make sure that people feel
welcomed in these spaces because it's it's so important, like
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everyone deserves to be able to move freely without feeling
like they're being judged or criticized. Absolutely, and ultimately that's
what we want, right, That's why we're here, That's what
we talk about. We're here to encourage and to empower
and hopefully to include everybody to get active, to stay active,
and to you know, focus on the goal. So shall
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we dive into this week's conversation. Yes, I'm really ready
for this conversation. Yes, let's do this. I may thank
you so much for joining us on Sweat the Details.
How are you doing today? I'm doing good. Welcome to
the pod. I guess a really great place to start,
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Meg would be if you could tell us and tell
the listeners you know, when and how you started your
fitness journey. Yeah. So basically, um, I was in sports
growing up. You know, I loved just moving my body
I loved volleyball and basketball and shot put. They all
made me really happy until I was kicked out of
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athletics in ninth grade. I got into a fight because
I was being bullied so much. I was bullied throughout
all of my you know, elementary middle school, especially in athletics,
and I got kicked off the team and I never
really was able to embrace sports or fitness again. Um.
It was kind of like traumatizing for me, just because
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I wanted to be a coach. Like since I was little,
I wanted to be a coach. Growing up. I always
envisioned myself being around kids and just helping the community.
It was a big dream of mine that was just
all kind of taken away from me abruptly. So I
avoided it for a very long time. It was until
I was in my twenties whenever I decided to start
working out again, and it was because my doctor actually
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told me that in order to have kids, that I
would have to lose at least a hundred pounds and
that was overwhelming for me because I felt like that
was my only option if I wanted to start a family,
and so that's why I started working out. So for
about three years. I was all about just working out
as much as possible, Like I always wanted to burn
more than a thousand calories every workout that I did.
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I was restricting myself from life in general. I wasn't
eating very much, um, but I was getting a lot
of praise for that because my body was shrinking. And
so I was just trying to navigate my relationship with
exercise and fitness and thinking of my childhood and how
that was a big dream of mine. And so, long
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story short, I fell in love with powerlifting after I
had my daughter. I didn't really have a good relationship
with exercise up until that point, and when I had
my daughter, I was like, I have to do something different.
I can't keep on this path of treating exercise like
it's some punishment for me, that that it's what I deserve,
you know, I deserve to be sweaty and you know,
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crying inside. And that was supposed to be my story.
And so I just changed my whole kind of perspective,
and little by little, I just started trying to dismantle
that whole idea in my head that I had to
be something different, something what other people wanted. And I
went after my dream and I started powerlifting. I was
eight weeks postpartum, and I just went for it, pick
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up a barbell, and then, like the rest is history,
I just I kept doing it, kept going back to it.
I fell in love with the way that it made
me feel, the confidence that it gave me. It just
completely changed my life and changed the way that I
view fitness and movement. And you know that relationship and
connection that we have with our bodies, going from loving
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sports and fitness when you were little, to being bullied
and then having sort of like a negative relationship with
it as you were older, and then loving it again.
Was that like a linear journey for you? Or did
you have moments where you kind of went back and forth. Yeah,
So it was definitely up and down throughout that you know,
three year period of me working out to lose weight.
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I feel like the ups were mostly whenever I would
get those little moments of like feeling good. You know,
how you work out, your endorphins are just like you
just feel good inside. It's hard to describe, but there
were moments that I also afterwards would feel guilt or
shame or embarrassed because I couldn't do things. So there
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was a lot of like confusion for me back and forth,
and I didn't like actually let go of that shame
until maybe about a year and a half to two
years ago. But yeah, it was definitely up and down.
I'm really interested to know as well, Mike. Often, I
think when we talk about people's journey and a lot
of what you've described, it's quite individual, you know, when
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we think about how it made you feel, and like
maybe when you decided to make change after having your
daughter in that passion, but also did you have support
in this journey? Who supports you now? Well, right now,
I mostly have It's my husband. He's been there of
the time. He was there through my horrible relationship with exercise.
I was making him do all of these things. I
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think he knew that I was like struggling, but he
never really knew how much until I started talking about it,
you know a few years later. But during that time
I felt very alone, even in a sense of like
my marriage from him, because I just felt like I
couldn't turn back, like I couldn't erase the fact that
I had to be on the sweet lust journ, like
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that had to be my story. I had to be
on a weight lost journey. I couldn't just be, you know,
someone who really really loved exercising and working out and
playing sports and doing recreational things like that couldn't be
my identity at all. It had to be the transformation.
I had to be proving to people that the exercise
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I was doing, the work that I was doing, was
worth it, that I was paying off. I've never really
like understood how to you know, embrace fitness without being
attached to that label, to that before picture. Um, that's
how I'm represented everywhere that I go is I'm the before.
So throughout all of that, I've had to kind of
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be my own support person because I didn't know who
to trust. I didn't know if I could talk to somebody,
even my husband, and say, I don't want this to
be about weight loss anymore. I don't want like, you
can't do this anymore, Like I am I have a disorder.
I do you see how I'm eating? Like I'm eating
an onion for dinner. That's not normal. It's not normal
to eat five calories a day, and I can't do
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this anymore. So above all, it was myself, like that's
really all that I could turn to. And I think
a lot of people that go probably through this type
of thing feel that way as well, because like who
who do you talk to? Who do you open up to? Yeah,
that's so Yeah. I think that's inner strength and that
resilience that you talk about. And you know, you're also
somebody who you know a lot of people who follow
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you online, you know, they look to you for that
that confidence. You know that you have a smile on
your face when you know you post your videos, and
I think it encourages people not only maybe if they're
on that journey themselves, but also just to see someone
who's really owning their message, their confidence, their truth. I
know you've spoken very honestly and very openly about mental
health and that relationship that we have with ourselves. So
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how has power lifting and strength training in particular, how
has that helped that? Well, it's definitely helped me like
tap into you know who I am inside. You know,
I I've had a lot of really really difficult depressive
seasons in my life, and I've never really figured out,
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you know, up until the last few years, how to
navigate when thoughts and things become so intrusive. Um, when
you live in a world that is doing everything possible
to look nothing like you. It becomes so much that
you feel like if I can't ever look like not
myself and I can't look like other people, I don't
deserve to be here. And so that's the path that
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my mind would always take. And now I feel like,
with powerlifting and finding that connection with my body, I've
discovered that that, you know, I, I do deserve to
be here. So in those moments where I feel, you know,
the anxiety starting to rise and my mental health kind
of declining, I can pull myself out of that. Usually
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if I'm moving my body and I'm lifting weight, it
pulls me out. It pulls me out, and I've never
been in that dark, depressing season since I've been power lifting.
I feel like I still have anxiety. I still do
have those little moments, but they're not as dark, they're
not as deep because I feel so much more like
I I belong here, and then I deserve to be here,
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and then I deserve to take up space, and then
it's okay to use my voice and it's it gives
me so much confidence outside of just physical strength. I
love that. Yeah, um, I actually want to go back
to something you said that I have on repeat in
my head right now. You said that you felt like
you had to have like this weight lost journey story,
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and I'm curious was that just something you felt personally
or was that influenced by society or was it a combination.
It was definitely the societal pressure, for sure. Every experience
that I've had in my entire life has revolved around
the size of my body. Since I was very young,
kids have bullied me and pointed it out. In athletics,
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my coaches pointed out and said, you know that I
would need to make sure that I was running a
mile every day, And by the time I was in
high school, the same thing. It was all about the
size of my body. I'm prescribed weight loss, going to
the doctor for a sore throat. It's never not brought up.
So it's hard to feel like that doesn't have to
be your journey whenever literally everything and everyone around you
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is convincing you that it is. Especially in fitness, no
matter what program, it always starts with step one, take
up before photo, because you're going to change and that
should be something you really are paying attention to, which
is fine. A lot of people do that. There's nothing
wrong with it, but it doesn't need to be a requirement.
It doesn't need to be the first step. That's been
my only option my entire life. So at some point
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you either cave into it and do everything it takes
to make that happen, or you say no, I'm I'm
choosing me, I'm choosing my mental health, I'm choosing life.
I'm not going to follow that restrictive path anymore. I
can't do that anymore. M I mean, I'm sure everyone
listening can probably relate, absolutely so, in your opinion, how
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can we make fitness wellness, these two major industries, how
can we make them more body inclusive to people that
aren't cist gender, white women, that have different abilities, that
have different body types. I don't know. There's obviously not
one perfect answer, but it's constantly on my mind. Yeah,
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I mean, I think it just comes down to the representation.
I don't think there's any representation outside of that in
the fitness world. I think that we should appreciate the
fact that there are so many different types of bodies
out there, and we need to see them. We need
to see them on posters and advertisements. You know on
you know models for active where we need to see them?
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Where are they there? They're out there, but why why
why don't we see them? I think that would be
a really really great start, would be just representation, and
then activewear, make activewear for all bodies. Like, there's probably
less than twenty places total that I can actually shop
at in my size for activewear, and out of those,
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maybe about three to five actually fit me well and
I can perform in them and they aren't rolling down
and they're comfortable. So there's just no options. And so
if we're telling people exercise is great, it's so good
for you, you need to get out there and do
it and it's for your health. If we're pushing that message,
I mean, we should be providing the comfortable activewear in
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order to do so, and then not get upset if
there's mannequins that are showing people like in my size,
what would that look like on me? I mean, there's
so many things that we could be doing, and I've
just never understood why we're not. Why we always have
to just shove everybody in a corner and then just
lift up one ideal body type. Really, I know this
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conversation is about body positivity. So what are your thoughts
on body positivity. Do you consider yourself like a body
positive person or is there another term that you prefer
to use. Well, I think the difference is that body positivity.
You know, it started as a movement to uplift marginalized
voices and bodies. It was all supposed to be about
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uplifting those people, having them represented and seen and heard
and respected and valued in society. And it's been commercialized
because now it's been transformed into a self love movement
instead of its original purpose. And so I think of
myself as someone who is kind of a bit of both.
You know, I'm body positive in a sense that I'm
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doing everything possible to make sure that marginalized communities are
represented and that their voices are heard and amplified. Well,
at the same time, I'm working on my internal self love.
That sounds good. I'd love to talk a little bit
now about the book. So you've written a book and
it's been released recently, Fitness for Everybody. So can you
tell us about the book and your inspiration really for
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writing it. I just wanted this book to be something
for everybody, for the mom who just had a baby
and is getting ads on social media telling her she
has to bounce back and lose the baby weight and
feels all this pressure. It's for the person who had
a horrible relationship with exercise, who is just trying to
navigate their way back and get moving again. It's for
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the person who has been depressed, who's felt suicidal, who's
not felt like there's a place in the world for them,
who is trying to just embrace movement and get out
of that horrible mindset of punishment and restriction. I have,
you know, a twelve weeks strength training guide that's very
basic for anyone who's just now starting out, who just
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has a set of dumbbells, who wants to work out
at home. UM, it's a lot of different things, and
I just wanted people to feel like there was something
out there that wasn't telling them they need to change
if they're starting a fitness journey, that there's so many
other things that are available to them that they're going
to benefit from when they do start their fitness journey.
And I'm just so excited about and I have an
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entire chapter in there about my experience at under Armour. UM.
I wrote about that because it was like the most
powerful experience that I've ever had. It was literally life changing.
That was the moment that I realized that I am
an athlete and that athletes come in all different shapes, sizes, colors, abilities.
I really like that too. Well make this book sounds
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super amazing and I feel like there is a little
bit of something for everybody, and once again, it's just
a great reminder that fitness is for all of us. Absolutely.
I'm sure you've probably touched on this in your book,
but until we all can get our hands on it,
uh in your opinion, what are some ways that people
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can begin their own journey to accepting their bodies, loving
who they are, not feeling like they need to change.
I think, um, we can allow ourselves to see ourselves.
That was one of the biggest steps I had to take.
Was looking in the mirror, was working out in front
of the mirror, was recording myself while I was working out.
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I just think that we avoid seeing ourselves because there's
things that we feel so insecure about. But the more
that we actually look at ourselves, we allow ourselves to
be seen. It gives us an opportunity to just be
us without any pressure. That's the biggest step that I took.
That's how I view wellness as well. It's just an
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active awareness, is all. It is, an active awareness to
just make choices that benefit us and impact us positively physically, financially, socially, emotionally.
It's it's choosing the clothes that fit rather than squeezing
into the size that doesn't and not caring about the
number that's on the pair of jeans. For sure, Absolutely, No.
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I wanted to jump in on a few of those
things because you listed then you know, social, emotional, there's
all of these other aspects and benefits and things that
we experience when we work out in whatever way that
is lifting, you know, running, breaking the sweat, stretching, all
of these things. But you know before when you said
that your journey was always about weight loss, it was
like every exercise you did you wanted to burn more calories.
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You said, you're strict to your calories, and how does
that change? Yeah, I would just say the behaviors is
what we should focus on, um, not so much the
outcome or the circumstances. Like weight loss is not a behavior,
and we always treat it like it is, Like so
if we change the perspective to making fitness goals that
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aren't appearance based and they're a little bit more performance based,
it starts making a little bit more fun, and it
starts making it a little bit more exciting where you
can focus on other things. I think if we focus
a hundred percent on the weight loss and on how
your body is going to change, that's always going to
be what you're focused on. There's always going to be
something that we're going to find in our appearance that
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we want to change, and it just strips us of
the actual experience of connecting with our bodies and you know,
performing better. That's really good. Um, How can someone like
myself truly be more supportive of inclusivity and fitness and wellness?
Probably just listening, I think a lot of the time
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for me personally, I feel like I haven't really been
listened to or heard. But if I had to say, like,
maybe one thing that I think would be helpful outside
of just being heard is that when you see someone
who is commenting on somebody's size who's larger, maybe speak up.
The more that we get away from using, um, a
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larger body as an attack on someone, that could make
other people think like why is it a bad word?
And also when it comes to you know, going into
fitness spaces, so whether that's going into gym environment or
a CrossFit box or track or running club. You know,
I think for a lot of people in the pandemic,
they've discovered new ways of training. Some people, you know,
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whether they've found out home fitness solutions, online classes. If
and when, hopefully things start to open up again, how
can people get from the comfort of their own home
to go into those spaces. Usually my advice would be
do a workout at home and then do it at
the gym, so like go into the gym with a
plan and a workout that you've already done before, so
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that it's nothing new. I know that there's a lot
of anxieties of getting into the gym, especially for anyone
who's plus size, because you feel like everyone's staring and
it's like I don't want to look like I don't
know what I'm doing, Like I need to look like
an expert at all times. Um, But I feel like
it's been very supportive in my experience. Yeah, I hope
that people hear that as well, that the that you've
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had a positive experience and that it is encouraging because
when people do have a negative experience, of course it
should be heard, but it's often amplified, I think, and
that puts people off because it keeps, you know, that
the idea going that it's this intense environment that's super intimidating.
And so I hope people will hear that, as you said,
you know in your experience, it's been encouraging, and that
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actually people are there to not only support you, but
they're there to do what they came to do. I
think everyone has a mutual respect as well, that they
respect the work that it takes to say, you know what,
you're here. You showed up, I'm here, I showed up.
Let's go. Yeah. That's kind of the vibe that I
feel every time I go to the gym. I haven't
had any bad experiences. I feel like the biggest takeaways
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from this conversation we're having right now to me is like, one,
listen to people too, don't project your own anything onto others.
Three calling out things that are wrong or not okay
or hurtful to people like calling them out. And we
see it, whether it's on a smaller level or a
larger level, and then also just like amplifying the voices
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and the people um across the spectrum that exists in
this world that should be represented and seen in fitness.
That's I feel like, those are the takeaways that I'm
getting from this, and I'm I'm just really glad we're
having this conversation because it is so important and I
don't think it's being had enough. I agree. I'm so
thankful to be here and have this conversation because the
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more people that this message can reach and the more
conversations that we can have, I mean, that's how we're
going to create change. Coming up next, more of our
interview with meg Box. Welcome back to today's episode with
our guests meg Box. This is a perfect time to
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move on to our next section of the show, which
we're calling love It or Leave It. So it's kind
of like a fun game, and we'd love for you
to tell us if you would love it or leave it.
We're gonna run through a list and you can tell us,
meg if you're gonna love it or you're gonna leave it. Okay,
I'm ready. Okay, So I think I know the answer
to this one. Working out in front of the mirror.
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Oh love it, distance, running, leave it, pre work out,
energy drinks, love it, protein drinks, love it all. Kinds
working out outside in the cold, Oh leave it. Okay,
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this one I said, I could go either way. Working
out without music, just to know you like, focus on
the form, the technique, leave it. Need the music for sure.
Wearing makeup to go to the gym, leave it. It's
always a disaster every time. And like my husband doesn't
tell me, and I'm like, why didn't you tell me? Like,
what is happening? What are you looking forward to in
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your fitness journey right now? I'd like this question. I
really really want to hit a pr this year on
all of my lifts on Dead Life, squat and bench specifically.
That's like number one kind of goal that I really
really really want to hit this year that I've been
trading so hard towards UM and then running a mile
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and under ten minutes that's a huge, huge goal. I'm hopeful.
I've been doing interval sprinting and things to just kind
of build my endurance. Those are like my big ones.
I just I really hope I hit those prs. I'm like,
I got this awesome. Well, thank you for sharing. It's
always great to hear goals. Tamara and I also share
our goals and hope to hear from the listeners and
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what their goals are. So thank you for sharing those,
and thank you for being such an awesome guest. Thank
you so much for your time. I'm really excited to
get your book. I'm excited to watch you crush all
your goals and route you on. Oh, thank you. This
was amazing. Wow. Okay, that was such an interesting conversation
(25:52):
with Meg. I completely agree with you, and I'm so
thankful for Meg for being so vulnerable with us and
just sharing all these various aspects of her relationship with
sport and wellness with us. Yeah, she was super vulnerable,
super honest, and what I want to take away really was,
you know, she shared such a positive message about not
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only empowering herself and making that shift in her mind,
but also what she said about the spaces, you know,
saying she never felt excluded from the gym space and
that everybody there has always been welcoming and encouraging. And
I just thought that was so great to hear and
the highlight. So I hope that the listeners will will
also hear that yeah, I completely agree. I think the
thing that stuck with me the most about the conversation
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with Meg was just the importance of representation and making
sure that everybody feels like they can see themselves. So
whether it's in a campaign, whether it's in the gear
available to them, it's so important. So that's something that
I will be thinking about all the time. And with
that being said, Meg shared her goals with us, and
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we need to check in with one another about our
fitness goals. So where are you at it's goal check
in time. Yes, So I am still working on my
goal of running a PR and a half marathon in
the next few weeks. And this has been a good week.
So I've done a lot of training this week. I've
also done a lot of recovery, a lot of mobility.
(27:18):
So yeah, it's been a good week for me. How
about you, Tamara? Yeah, for me, I am still training
for the heptathlon. I have not quit, similar to You've
just really been focusing on little details like recovery. I
actually got dry needling last evening and I feel like
it just alleviated so much back pain that I was experiencing.
(27:40):
But otherwise, you know, just staying on track, staying committed
to the workout plan, taking it day by day, so
I'm doing really good. Great good for you. Yeah, those
little details, as you mentioned, are ultimately you know what
adds up over time. I always think about it myself
when I'm like, oh, you know what if it's ten
it's a stretching, or oh it's going to make much difference,
(28:02):
and then I'm like, yes, that compound interest, those one
percent one percent every single time, it really does add up.
So great week for us. Are there any areas that
you feel like you need our support with right now
to help you stay on track and help you reach
that personal record for your half? I would say, honestly,
(28:24):
I mentioned before that once I shared this goal, I
feel like when I'm going out running, it's in my
mind like, oh no, the PR, the PR. So I'm
definitely putting pressure on myself. So any top tips from
anyone about you know, how to I guess not let
that get in my head and kind of ruin the experience,
because ultimately, this is going to be my first race
post lockdown, my first race probably in eighteen months, so
(28:46):
I still want to enjoy the race and not let
that kind of pressure yeah, dominate really yeah, just like
have fun with it, enjoy with it. All those other
things will come. Like you're prepared, you know, so I
just get of trusted on race day. Oh thanks, Tamara.
So what can we do to support you to help
keep you motivated this week? It's a very good question. Um.
(29:07):
I think it's one of those weeks where you know,
it's just kind of like on me. I think I
said this before. Words of encouragement would be great. Um,
I feel like it just gives you that extra extra motivation,
kind of just reminding you why you're doing whatever it
is you're doing. So that would be lovely. Okay, awesome. Well,
(29:27):
as it's a Tuesday, my favorite day of the week,
my words of encouragement to you, Tamara would be there's
a whole lot of weeks still ahead of us, so
let's make the most of it. And we want to
hear how you're doing too, So reach out on social
you can cheer us on. We will cheer you onto
and let us know your goal progress. You can find
me on Twitter and on Instagram. It's at Adrian under
(29:50):
School l d N and you can find me on
Instagram at TAM's Go and Ham and on Twitter at
Tamara Pridget. That's it for this week's episode, but don't
forget to join us next week when Alisa Vedy talks
to us about using our cycle to optimize our performance.
This is going to be a good one. I cannot wait.
(30:11):
I am all about cycle thinking, so looking forward to
that one absolutely. Until next time, stay motivated and don't
forget to Sweat the Details. If you liked what you
heard on the show, subscribe for free or follow the
(30:32):
show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or
wherever you listen, and don't forget to leave a five
star rating and review. Sweat the Details As a collaboration
with under Armour and I Heart Radio, our show is
hosted by me Camera Pridget and me Adrian Herbert's. Our
executive producers are Jeff schreibe Stein, Chaselle, Louis Archibald and
(30:55):
Molly Sosha. Our supervising producer is my Cole. I preducers
are Ellen Kaplan and Kelly an Tol. Our assistant producers
are Natalia Tamayo and Bella Walco and our sound edsa
an engineer is Sarah Gibel Laska. Keep up with the
latest news in women's fitness by following under Armour Women
(31:16):
on Instagram at under Armour Women
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