May 14, 2024 • 17 mins
Buck Sexton is joined by Jeremy Carl, author of "The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart" and a fellow at the Claremont Institute. They delve into the concept of anti-white racism, challenging the idea that racism necessitates institutional power and shedding light on areas where white individuals encounter discrimination in society. The conversation extends to the role of leftist ideology in fostering anti-white sentiments and proposes legal and policy changes, such as immigration reform and reevaluation of civil rights laws, as potential solutions to address these concerns.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode,
Jeremy Carl joins us. He has a really interesting new
book out, The Unprotected Class, How anti white Racism is
tearing America Apart. He's also a Claremont Institute fellow. Jeremy,
thank you so much for being with us. I'll just
(00:40):
start with this. You're writing a book that you're not
allowed to write. How is that going.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Well? Buck? It was. It was kind of a challenge,
and it was one of the things where I really
I didn't originally even try to shop this to any
of the big, you know, non conservative publishers. I went
straight to Regnery because with a topic like this, it
just I wasn't going to get in a war with
what I was allowed to write or what I wasn't
(01:07):
And so I was really fortunate that my editors understood
what I was trying to do and they've stood by me,
and that's that's been great. But as you can imagine,
this is not a subject that a lot of the left,
particularly wants to discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, I could start with this because I know this.
I've believed or not hosted shows with real leftists, I
mean not people who are not the thing they do
with CNN where they have like fake Republicans on who
just sit there and get I've tried to and it
never lasts very long because you can't really right. But
I've been in situations where I'm supposed to have conversations
with real leftists and one thing that has always come
(01:40):
up whenever the issue of race comes up is that
there I can't say official position, but the orthodoxy on
the left is anti white racism is impossible. How do
you tackle this in the book like explaining because that
would be their first objection. They would say, there's no
there's no such thing as anti white racism because of
(02:00):
the power dynamics in society.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Right. Well, even if you accept buck the view that
racism is prejudiced plus power, it just simply assumed that
white people have a bunch of power in our society
in twenty twenty four that they don't. And what I
really lay out in the book kind of starting with
an overview of the civil rights movement and everything that
came from it, and then laying it out in twelve
different subject matter chapters, everything from looking at our education
(02:26):
system to crime, to Hollywood to healthcare to the military,
is how, in fact, it couldn't be less advantageous to
be white in twenty twenty four, and in fact, for
that reason, you see people fleeing from a white identity
whenever they feel like they can get away from that.
And you see that a little bit with folks like
Elizabeth Warren, but you see it on the census, you
(02:49):
see it pretty much everywhere that if you can identify
in twenty twenty four, especially for a job application or
a college application, is something other than white, that's what
you're going to do. So to me, when you look
at racism being prejudiced plus power, doesn't sound like white
people have quite as much power as the left tries
to pretend they do.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And on this obviously there's so much that that goes
in this topic, but I think that one of the uh,
one of the challenges with it is you have to
make the argument that there are, uh, there are people
who a lot I always say the worst leftists and
like the most destructive people in America are far left
(03:28):
wing white Americans like like that, because you know, there
in a whole range of ways ideologically, I think they're
poisoning the country more than any anybody else. But one
of the things you come up against is they say, well,
how is it, How is it, for example, that there
can be anti white racism that white people support, meaning
affirmative action and all these things, right, Like, how do
(03:49):
you how do you explain and tackle that issue?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah? Well, and first of all, I agree with you,
and I say this Buck in the book that really
kind of the biggest villains on this are the left
wing whites, who are, many of them in elite positions
in society and factly run elite institutions. At the same time.
I mean, I don't want to rob agency of communities
or rob accountability from minority political leadership to the extent
(04:14):
that they've played into this, But I do think that
the whites have been in some ways the worst actor.
So I think there's some thing that's going on some extent.
I think they sort of solve as the good whites
and those other kind of people as the bad whites.
And hey, if you've got one hundred million dollar trust
fund or something like this, it's really easy to talk
(04:36):
about your privilege or your white privilege, because frankly, you're
never going to be held to account for it. You
can maneuver around whatever roadblocks and the system will hit
a average middle class white person. And so it's a
really cheap way of what we'd call virtue signaling. And
then so I think that's the easy part to explain.
The part that's a little more difficult to explain, and
I may explore a little bit in a follow up book,
(04:57):
is you really do see when you look at social
science survey data kind of every group first flight what
we would call it n in group preference black people
for her black people, Asian people for for Asian people.
And as long as that's within reasonable bounds, this is
not really unexpected or a problem except for liberal whites.
Liberal whites have a distinct outgroup preference, which is to say,
(05:20):
they find whites stupid or more criminal, etc. When you
ask them questions, and that is really hard to understand.
I mean, I think you can only almost understand it
in the context of the fact that mental illness is
also hugely, hugely prevalent among liberal white people, and that
there's somehow maybe a connection between those two things.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh, I think that's absolutely the case. I think that's
actually what drove during the pandemic. For example, you have
so many people who have left wing victim based politics
among the American white community, who I think also have
all kinds of anxiety and major depressive disorder and all
(06:01):
kinds of things like that that make them more likely
to want to have that kind of authoritarian control mechanism,
and that they're a part of that. They're all so
obedient to. I mean, you get very deep into the
psychological crevices of the left and becomes very scary very quickly.
But onto the non white component of this, or a
(06:23):
non white left wing component of it. I mean, to me,
it's very straightforward. And I feel like I even experienced
some of this in my own college years where I
would speak to if this came up, and it did.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I was a political science major, and we would have
these discussions where black students in particular that I came
across when I was in college were pretty comfortable just saying, yeah,
the system is unfair, but we like it and it
benefits us, and the system used to be unfair, so
this is the way it has to be.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Now. Yeah, well, I think this kind of gets into
this notion. I'm obviously not doing one of two things
in the book. I don't deny their other forms of
racism against other groups in America. I just think that
anti white racism is the most salient, And obviously I'm
not denying other types of racism in America. Is history, okay,
(07:10):
But I think there's a couple things, and I think
that the kind of core of it is you get
to folks like Thomas soul and Thomas Soule, who was
a real touchdown for this book, kind of says that
the quest for cosmic justice invariably leads to more injustice,
and I think that's where you sort of wind up.
And to the extent that we still want to have
(07:31):
a thumb on the scale for people who are from
lower socioeconomic status or what have you, like, that's fine,
that's a discussion we can have, but it shouldn't be
based simply on the color of one's skin. Furthermore, there's
a lot of informal discrimination going on, and I document
this a lot in my Hollywood chapter of the book,
where you look and you see all the sorts of
ways in which white people are denigrated in the current
(07:55):
popular culture, and it's so much part of that that
we don't even realize it's going on. It's just the
environment that we swim in. And then it's like kind
of trying to describe an ocean to the fish to
a fish. But we shouldn't kind of take these things
for granted, and in fact they're really sort of disturbing
and negative social trends.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I want to get into what are the most disturbing
trends or rather, you know, you talk about how anti
the subtitle of your book is how anti white racism
is tearing America apart? I get into that. We want
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is the where's the big problem here? Because this is
the other thing you come up against. They say, oh, well,
look at the numbers. Okay. So so basically, if you're
a like a middle class white kid, you're not getting
into Harvard or any Ivy League school or you know,
you go on the list if you didn't have a
(10:00):
parent who went there. You're not a recruited athlete, you know,
so what like, life's not that bad, you know, there's
a lot of sort of minimizing of how this is
a problem. So why is this a big problem?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Right? Well, I'd like to say, first of all, I mean,
I'm not looking to kind of play in the victimhood
Olympics here, right, this is really as much it's not
about complaining to the refs here as much as it
is rallying the troops and telling white people and non
white allies you're interested in having a fair system that
we shouldn't be putting up with this in America. So
I think that's kind of the first thing. But where
(10:32):
do we see it? I'd say, I mean, it's in
all the areas, but just to pick three that I
talk about, you're seeing it in the military, where you're
seeing such an extreme kind of discrimination against white soldiers
who have disproportionately been the so called tip of the
spear in combat, so the most likely to be in
special forces and etc. In real combat roles that you've
(10:53):
seen just in the last five years, I think a
forty percent drop in white recruits to the military because
many of these are second generation military, their parents are saying,
don't go in again. I document lots of kind of
incidences of anti white discrimination in the book. There's plenty
of other stuff I've gotten from talking to generals and
admirals that I can just tell you anecdotally that I
(11:15):
didn't put in there for reasons of confidentiality. So you've
got that, You've got the way that we talk about
crime and everything that happened in the summer of Floyd
kind of being based on this myth of kind of
you know, evil white police officers slaughtering unarmed African Americans
by the thousands. And of course, if you're familiar with
the actual interracial crime statistics or the number of African
(11:38):
Americans actually who are unarmed who are shot by and
killed by police officers each year, which is less than ten.
I mean, this is these kind kind of things are
frankly blood libles that are going. And then finally, maybe
you look at history. The other kind of really key
issue I think is these these statues. So you're seeing
first you have Confederate statues kind of coming down, and
maybe people didn't have a problem with that, but some
(12:01):
if they're not Southerner, you don't like the Confederates. But
now we're seeing statues of Abraham Lincoln come down. We're
seeing statues of George Washington come down, We're seeing statues
of Christopher Columbus going down. We're seeing a real erasure
of the fundamental history of this country. And so in
all these sorts of ways, we're really seeing a real
damaging trend in American society.
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah? I mean I think the good news is this
is not an unsolvable problem. That isn't to say that
it's not a difficult problem, but we've solved a lot
of difficult problems in America's history. I think there's a
few different things that we can do. One is, I
think we've got to totally relook at our civil rights
laws and kind of really look to reconstitute them to
match current realities. I mean, essentially, these are all based
(14:00):
off the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act, which was
responding to some very real problems that we had in
the US at the time. But we're now sixty years
past that, we have a whole set of different problems.
We're not worrying about people not getting served at lunch catters.
Now we're seeing instead blatant employment discrimination and other types
of discrimination to address. So I think more broadly, even
(14:21):
within our current laws, we need to have much more
aggressive law fare. So there's a bunch of things that
are being done that are blatantly discriminatory against whites that
are actually illegal, and they've sort of been like twenty
dollars bills lying in the middle of the road. Nobody's
picked them up for a variety of reasons. And now
you begin to have groups like America First Legal, Steven
Miller's group out in DC that are really beginning to
(14:45):
sue companies that are engaged in blatant and di white
discrimination or whether it's universities, and we're beginning to get
some wins. And I think if we just ramp that
up one hundred x, that will help finally to kind
of reconstitute America's borders and the ideas around that. So
you've got to have a kind of mass deportation for
(15:09):
illegally aliens in this country, and then you've got to
strengthen the borders in the way that Trump is talking
about doing. And if you do that then you could
imagine reconstituting a new American identity around the folks that
we have here given a little breathing room. But as
long as the border is wide open, it's really hard
to solve this problem.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
What do you think our border policy should be immigration
more broadly.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, well, I mean, I think we just need to
dramatically reduce both there's illegal and legal immigration. There's a
kind of easy out that a lot of the establishment
Republicans will say, where it's illegal good or bad legal good.
I don't think it's that simple. I mean, obviously we
should be sending back every illegal immigrant, but I think
(15:57):
legal immigration at the scale that we're having it also
has a lot of challenges for America's national identity, and
even to the extent that we have it, we're not
always bringing in the best folks that we'd like from
every country, which, at the end of the day, I
think the kind of best way to think about it
is America's immigration policy serves the interest of the American people.
(16:18):
It's just interest, that's it. We're not a charity ward.
We are a nation, and we should proceed on that
basis according to our interests, and that should be the
thing that guides our immigration policy fundamentally.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
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Speaker 1 (17:11):
Thanks so much. I appreciate that it's actually been doing
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Brief. On this episode,
Jeremy Carl joins us. He has a really interesting new
book out, The Unprotected Class, How anti white Racism is
tearing America Apart. He's also a Claremont Institute fellow. Jeremy,
thank you so much for being with us. I'll just
(00:40):
start with this. You're writing a book that you're not
allowed to write. How is that going.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Well? Buck? It was. It was kind of a challenge,
and it was one of the things where I really
I didn't originally even try to shop this to any
of the big, you know, non conservative publishers. I went
straight to Regnery because with a topic like this, it
just I wasn't going to get in a war with
what I was allowed to write or what I wasn't
(01:07):
And so I was really fortunate that my editors understood
what I was trying to do and they've stood by me,
and that's that's been great. But as you can imagine,
this is not a subject that a lot of the left,
particularly wants to discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, I could start with this because I know this.
I've believed or not hosted shows with real leftists, I
mean not people who are not the thing they do
with CNN where they have like fake Republicans on who
just sit there and get I've tried to and it
never lasts very long because you can't really right. But
I've been in situations where I'm supposed to have conversations
with real leftists and one thing that has always come
(01:40):
up whenever the issue of race comes up is that
there I can't say official position, but the orthodoxy on
the left is anti white racism is impossible. How do
you tackle this in the book like explaining because that
would be their first objection. They would say, there's no
there's no such thing as anti white racism because of
(02:00):
the power dynamics in society.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Right. Well, even if you accept buck the view that
racism is prejudiced plus power, it just simply assumed that
white people have a bunch of power in our society
in twenty twenty four that they don't. And what I
really lay out in the book kind of starting with
an overview of the civil rights movement and everything that
came from it, and then laying it out in twelve
different subject matter chapters, everything from looking at our education
(02:26):
system to crime, to Hollywood to healthcare to the military,
is how, in fact, it couldn't be less advantageous to
be white in twenty twenty four, and in fact, for
that reason, you see people fleeing from a white identity
whenever they feel like they can get away from that.
And you see that a little bit with folks like
Elizabeth Warren, but you see it on the census, you
(02:49):
see it pretty much everywhere that if you can identify
in twenty twenty four, especially for a job application or
a college application, is something other than white, that's what
you're going to do. So to me, when you look
at racism being prejudiced plus power, doesn't sound like white
people have quite as much power as the left tries
to pretend they do.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And on this obviously there's so much that that goes
in this topic, but I think that one of the uh,
one of the challenges with it is you have to
make the argument that there are, uh, there are people
who a lot I always say the worst leftists and
like the most destructive people in America are far left
(03:28):
wing white Americans like like that, because you know, there
in a whole range of ways ideologically, I think they're
poisoning the country more than any anybody else. But one
of the things you come up against is they say, well,
how is it, How is it, for example, that there
can be anti white racism that white people support, meaning
affirmative action and all these things, right, Like, how do
(03:49):
you how do you explain and tackle that issue?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah? Well, and first of all, I agree with you,
and I say this Buck in the book that really
kind of the biggest villains on this are the left
wing whites, who are, many of them in elite positions
in society and factly run elite institutions. At the same time.
I mean, I don't want to rob agency of communities
or rob accountability from minority political leadership to the extent
(04:14):
that they've played into this, But I do think that
the whites have been in some ways the worst actor.
So I think there's some thing that's going on some extent.
I think they sort of solve as the good whites
and those other kind of people as the bad whites.
And hey, if you've got one hundred million dollar trust
fund or something like this, it's really easy to talk
(04:36):
about your privilege or your white privilege, because frankly, you're
never going to be held to account for it. You
can maneuver around whatever roadblocks and the system will hit
a average middle class white person. And so it's a
really cheap way of what we'd call virtue signaling. And
then so I think that's the easy part to explain.
The part that's a little more difficult to explain, and
I may explore a little bit in a follow up book,
(04:57):
is you really do see when you look at social
science survey data kind of every group first flight what
we would call it n in group preference black people
for her black people, Asian people for for Asian people.
And as long as that's within reasonable bounds, this is
not really unexpected or a problem except for liberal whites.
Liberal whites have a distinct outgroup preference, which is to say,
(05:20):
they find whites stupid or more criminal, etc. When you
ask them questions, and that is really hard to understand.
I mean, I think you can only almost understand it
in the context of the fact that mental illness is
also hugely, hugely prevalent among liberal white people, and that
there's somehow maybe a connection between those two things.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh, I think that's absolutely the case. I think that's
actually what drove during the pandemic. For example, you have
so many people who have left wing victim based politics
among the American white community, who I think also have
all kinds of anxiety and major depressive disorder and all
(06:01):
kinds of things like that that make them more likely
to want to have that kind of authoritarian control mechanism,
and that they're a part of that. They're all so
obedient to. I mean, you get very deep into the
psychological crevices of the left and becomes very scary very quickly.
But onto the non white component of this, or a
(06:23):
non white left wing component of it. I mean, to me,
it's very straightforward. And I feel like I even experienced
some of this in my own college years where I
would speak to if this came up, and it did.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I was a political science major, and we would have
these discussions where black students in particular that I came
across when I was in college were pretty comfortable just saying, yeah,
the system is unfair, but we like it and it
benefits us, and the system used to be unfair, so
this is the way it has to be.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Now. Yeah, well, I think this kind of gets into
this notion. I'm obviously not doing one of two things
in the book. I don't deny their other forms of
racism against other groups in America. I just think that
anti white racism is the most salient, And obviously I'm
not denying other types of racism in America. Is history, okay,
(07:10):
But I think there's a couple things, and I think
that the kind of core of it is you get
to folks like Thomas soul and Thomas Soule, who was
a real touchdown for this book, kind of says that
the quest for cosmic justice invariably leads to more injustice,
and I think that's where you sort of wind up.
And to the extent that we still want to have
(07:31):
a thumb on the scale for people who are from
lower socioeconomic status or what have you, like, that's fine,
that's a discussion we can have, but it shouldn't be
based simply on the color of one's skin. Furthermore, there's
a lot of informal discrimination going on, and I document
this a lot in my Hollywood chapter of the book,
where you look and you see all the sorts of
ways in which white people are denigrated in the current
(07:55):
popular culture, and it's so much part of that that
we don't even realize it's going on. It's just the
environment that we swim in. And then it's like kind
of trying to describe an ocean to the fish to
a fish. But we shouldn't kind of take these things
for granted, and in fact they're really sort of disturbing
and negative social trends.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I want to get into what are the most disturbing
trends or rather, you know, you talk about how anti
the subtitle of your book is how anti white racism
is tearing America apart? I get into that. We want
to get into the how a little bit. Okay, where
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is the where's the big problem here? Because this is
the other thing you come up against. They say, oh, well,
look at the numbers. Okay. So so basically, if you're
a like a middle class white kid, you're not getting
into Harvard or any Ivy League school or you know,
you go on the list if you didn't have a
(10:00):
parent who went there. You're not a recruited athlete, you know,
so what like, life's not that bad, you know, there's
a lot of sort of minimizing of how this is
a problem. So why is this a big problem?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Right? Well, I'd like to say, first of all, I mean,
I'm not looking to kind of play in the victimhood
Olympics here, right, this is really as much it's not
about complaining to the refs here as much as it
is rallying the troops and telling white people and non
white allies you're interested in having a fair system that
we shouldn't be putting up with this in America. So
I think that's kind of the first thing. But where
(10:32):
do we see it? I'd say, I mean, it's in
all the areas, but just to pick three that I
talk about, you're seeing it in the military, where you're
seeing such an extreme kind of discrimination against white soldiers
who have disproportionately been the so called tip of the
spear in combat, so the most likely to be in
special forces and etc. In real combat roles that you've
(10:53):
seen just in the last five years, I think a
forty percent drop in white recruits to the military because
many of these are second generation military, their parents are saying,
don't go in again. I document lots of kind of
incidences of anti white discrimination in the book. There's plenty
of other stuff I've gotten from talking to generals and
admirals that I can just tell you anecdotally that I
(11:15):
didn't put in there for reasons of confidentiality. So you've
got that, You've got the way that we talk about
crime and everything that happened in the summer of Floyd
kind of being based on this myth of kind of
you know, evil white police officers slaughtering unarmed African Americans
by the thousands. And of course, if you're familiar with
the actual interracial crime statistics or the number of African
(11:38):
Americans actually who are unarmed who are shot by and
killed by police officers each year, which is less than ten.
I mean, this is these kind kind of things are
frankly blood libles that are going. And then finally, maybe
you look at history. The other kind of really key
issue I think is these these statues. So you're seeing
first you have Confederate statues kind of coming down, and
maybe people didn't have a problem with that, but some
(12:01):
if they're not Southerner, you don't like the Confederates. But
now we're seeing statues of Abraham Lincoln come down. We're
seeing statues of George Washington come down, We're seeing statues
of Christopher Columbus going down. We're seeing a real erasure
of the fundamental history of this country. And so in
all these sorts of ways, we're really seeing a real
damaging trend in American society.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
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So how are we going to fix this? Can we
fix this?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah? I mean I think the good news is this
is not an unsolvable problem. That isn't to say that
it's not a difficult problem, but we've solved a lot
of difficult problems in America's history. I think there's a
few different things that we can do. One is, I
think we've got to totally relook at our civil rights
laws and kind of really look to reconstitute them to
match current realities. I mean, essentially, these are all based
(14:00):
off the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act, which was
responding to some very real problems that we had in
the US at the time. But we're now sixty years
past that, we have a whole set of different problems.
We're not worrying about people not getting served at lunch catters.
Now we're seeing instead blatant employment discrimination and other types
of discrimination to address. So I think more broadly, even
(14:21):
within our current laws, we need to have much more
aggressive law fare. So there's a bunch of things that
are being done that are blatantly discriminatory against whites that
are actually illegal, and they've sort of been like twenty
dollars bills lying in the middle of the road. Nobody's
picked them up for a variety of reasons. And now
you begin to have groups like America First Legal, Steven
Miller's group out in DC that are really beginning to
(14:45):
sue companies that are engaged in blatant and di white
discrimination or whether it's universities, and we're beginning to get
some wins. And I think if we just ramp that
up one hundred x, that will help finally to kind
of reconstitute America's borders and the ideas around that. So
you've got to have a kind of mass deportation for
(15:09):
illegally aliens in this country, and then you've got to
strengthen the borders in the way that Trump is talking
about doing. And if you do that then you could
imagine reconstituting a new American identity around the folks that
we have here given a little breathing room. But as
long as the border is wide open, it's really hard
to solve this problem.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
What do you think our border policy should be immigration
more broadly.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, well, I mean, I think we just need to
dramatically reduce both there's illegal and legal immigration. There's a
kind of easy out that a lot of the establishment
Republicans will say, where it's illegal good or bad legal good.
I don't think it's that simple. I mean, obviously we
should be sending back every illegal immigrant, but I think
(15:57):
legal immigration at the scale that we're having it also
has a lot of challenges for America's national identity, and
even to the extent that we have it, we're not
always bringing in the best folks that we'd like from
every country, which, at the end of the day, I
think the kind of best way to think about it
is America's immigration policy serves the interest of the American people.
(16:18):
It's just interest, that's it. We're not a charity ward.
We are a nation, and we should proceed on that
basis according to our interests, and that should be the
thing that guides our immigration policy fundamentally.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
The book is The Unprotected Class, how anti white racism
is tearing America apart. Jeremy Carl is the author. Jeremy,
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Speaker 1 (17:11):
Thanks so much. I appreciate that it's actually been doing
real well.
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