May 2, 2024 • 48 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Clipper are dead men walking in the Playoffs. Travis Kelce shows thanks for his record deal. There’s beef in Colorado as Deion and Shedeur clap back at critics and former teammates. Caleb Williams going No. 1 was never in doubt but he faces the same fate as Bryce Young.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knots on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How we feel sticks good?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Man, Come on, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's NBA playoffs. We'll just start there. Congratulations to the
Boston Celtics, who finally didn't play with their food for
the first time in about five or six years.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
They did.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You remember the parting Casino where Joe Pash's got Tony
Doggs's head and the vice and it's like, at some point,
you just gotta you gotta call it, all right, you gotta,
you gotta make the move. The Celtics had Miami's head
and device and they just just everything I socket juice.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know, airs rolling out, you know, just yeah, it
was bad.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, so you just had to move on, you know,
you gotta you gotta take care of business. They're not
gonna talk, you know, they were gonna go down fighting.
But there was no Rosier, there was no Jimmy Butler.
The Celtics didn't have poor Zingis, but they were completely
outmatched and if Miami did' hit threes, they had no shot.
That's the only way they won Game two. To begin with,
Celtics move on. All is good. Clippers on the other hand,
(01:12):
not so much.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You mean Mavericks on on the Mavericks happened to that other.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, of course, but it's just so it's it's so fun.
And I don't know why it takes such delight in
this when people are just like, nah, but this time
it's different telling you what the Clippers it's like, No, no,
it's a different story this time. This time it's going
to be different. We're telling you this is going to
(01:42):
be a whole new Clippers basketball. And they go out
and get stomped by Dallas last night and h and
now the Mavericks are one game away from advancing to
the next round of the playoffs, and the Kawhi Leonard
injury issue is, you know, rearing its ugly head once again.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
For the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That guy just can't catch a break man, Yes he can.
What's that he gets?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
He gets to chill out and watch the games? Is
that a break break from the action? You know? But listen,
when you take a look at that game, there is
too much length, you know, for for the Clippers. You know,
the usage of of of Derek Jones Junior like dj J.
(02:31):
I mean, those those guys, they were bawling man like,
lively like balling, and they showed their length. And Kyrie
is able to do what Kyrie does. He facilitates so
well and and you have to pay attention to him
because he can drive, penetrate and and force you know,
(02:55):
force the issue in terms of him creating his own opportunities.
And then Luca obviously is a beast as well. So
when you got two alpha scores and Doncic and Irvin
and then you got to you know, you got role
players that are are flying at the rim, It's ah,
(03:16):
the Mavericks look pretty good. Now, I don't know how
that translates into a series against a better team. It
looked as though Paul George might become playoff p again,
but that was rented, not bot And so.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You know this is I will say this, if you
have a bad game in the NBA playoffs the next
forty eight hours until you get an opportunity to get
that taste out of your mouth, that's probably not a
fun place to be on social media. That's just not
a place, very good place. If you went to Twitter
last night or x whatever the hell you want to
(03:56):
call it. One of the things that you saw trending
was pandemic p It's like, well, at least he's out there,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I mean, that is fair. At least he's out there trying.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's all. He's get a lot of help. I mean,
Russell Westbrook is he's basically turned into Draymond Green cut
in half to where you like, you're just like, he's
going to get into an altercation, but you just cannot
count on him consistently to do anything as far as
production wise, to help you get back into games or
get back into a series. And it just seems like
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the highlight for him this series was, you know, getting
into an altercation or a dust up with Luca, only
to turn around and see PJ. Washington ready to rock
and he decided, yeah, I don't want any part of that.
So yeah, it's not not a fun place to be
if you're the Clippers. But yeah, the Mavericks look look
pretty good. And now they can you know, ice them
(04:54):
out and advance to the next round if they take
air business in the next game.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So it's a wrap four the Clippers. It's it's an
experiment that did not work. I mean, I don't. I
don't see how you continue on with with that roster
you got.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You kind of have to because you got this new
stadium and.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So yeah, I don't know. I don't know about.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That unless you're you're planning on getting Michael Cage out
there to uh, you know, to throw down for a
few minutes or whatever. I mean, Blake Griffin just retired,
so maybe you can bring him out of retirement to
play next year.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So stupid, that's that's Uh. They had a potential. They
had a potential big four on that team, not a
big three, a big four with with obviously Russ with
with Harden, with pandemic, p damn and and uh take
(05:55):
a break, take a break, Leonard. I mean, they had
to put four pandemic. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's so dumb.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's kind of funny though the pandemic is over, but
clearly not for Paul George. I just I don't see
how you continue moving forward with with that roster. It's
not going to work. It's just not going to work.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But it was so much fun when they when they
first arrived, Like I can remember going on the air
like five minutes after it was announced that Kawhi and
Paul George were coming and it was like, first of
all Laker fans were distraught, and then you had I
remember Ben Maller came on and he was excited, like
everybody was really fired up about it. And yet here
(06:46):
we are, same old story, year in, year out, and
it's bad luck, injuries at the wrong time, poor play,
getting wiped out by record numbers in a home game.
Now your face and elimination. Kyrie irving all of a sudden,
to your point, has found it again to where there
was some questions about whether or not he was washed.
(07:08):
And yet here we are and the Clippers are staring
the same fate squaring the eyes. So that's that's fun.
So if you're a Clipper fan, I think there's a
couple left. You know, our condolences, but it appears like
maybe a wrap there. If you can't get Kawhi back,
what's not.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
A rap, it's a rap. If you get me, he's
already wrapped, right, bubble wrapped. Yeah. All you're gonna do
if you get him back is get the pop up
for four for four quarters. He's got enough, he got
enough bubble wrap on him. The pop for four quarters.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
My g now, we do have somebody who is not
going anywhere, who you can count on in the big game,
who has dealt with you know, dealt with a little
bit of injury issue last year at the start of
the season, but he did figure it out, bounce back,
have a decent year, only to turn into a mon
postseason in the NFL playoffs. And that is Travis kelce
(08:03):
Travis Kelcey gets the new deal with the Kansas City Chiefs,
gets a little bit of a raise thirty four plus
million dollars over the next couple of years. It's got
him locked up until he's about thirty eight years old,
and it looks like he's going to get an opportunity
to retire a Kansas City chief Unlike the Clippers. They've
got actual Super Bowl rings, they've got actual World championship pedigree,
(08:25):
and he always shows up.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
In the pro.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Everything.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
No pandemic there.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And I'll tell you what. It kind of does tie
in because Taylor Swift's banner was hung up at Staple Center.
I don't believe it's still got transitioned over to the
Crypto dot Com slash net arena, but her banner was
up there at the Staple Center so you transition from
that over to somebody else who's hung up a lot
(08:51):
of banners. Travis Kelce he spoke about getting the new
deal done in Kansas City on the New Heights podcast.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I'm so excited and I'm so thankful to to this
organization for getting it done and making me feel appreciated
and compensated the right way. And on top of that,
I got to move the needle for the tight End room.
You know, it's it's everyone else's job to go out
there and keep making uh that tight End aa V
number go up and up with every single contract that's
(09:19):
that that's better than mine and in the future. And
I can't thank Kansas City enough my agents for for
keep knocking on that door to to see if anything's available,
knowing that I'm not a guy that sits out. I'm
not a guy that holds out. I'm a guy that
loves coming into the building.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And the chiefs know that.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So for them to want to first of all, want
to be able to get this done for me, knowing
how much blood, sweat, and tears I put into this
thing for I'm extremely grateful and extremely thankful for for
everybody involved. Man, I love Kansas City for it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
See more of the story in the biggest game of
the year. Yeah, well, and in the biggest game, in
the biggest game of the year. If if you assault
your coach who just had hip surgery.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
YouTube didn't get rewarded a million dollars, You're so stupid.
Why do you got so much hate in your heart?
Let let it out.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I'm just listen. I'm just trying to point out some
facts here, all right. That was that wasn't a play
that happened in the Super Bowl. Andy Reid just had
hip surgery. Guy's got a plastic hip, and Travis Kelsey
assaulted him.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I mean he felt alive. You know, that's a former
offensive lineman. You know, he felt he made coach ree
feel like he was alive, like he wasn't the coach
he was wanted, like he was a teammate. You know.
That's all that was. That's all Travis was going for.
Listen when I say he sounded ready, he sounds like
he's ready to go into the booth, like go behind
the desk. He sounds good. You know one thing about it.
(10:43):
You know, I'm in this nil space and first and
foremost again a second time, of saying congratulations to him.
He did move the needle, he did do something great
for the position. He's pushed it forward. But one thing
about athletes, we don't do enough self development as it
(11:03):
applies to the way that we conduct our business and
and the way we handle things.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Self development.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, and so to be able to conduct yourself in
a way where it's it's favorable, it's clear, it's it's
it's polished. I mean, Travis Kelsey has has a way
you can hear his established way of communicating and it's
it's it comes across as very polished. So good for him.
(11:33):
I mean, he's done well as a football player. He'll
continue to do well as a football player. Their team
is loaded. It's so funny, he I say. I always say,
I'm not going to talk about our conversations. I did
talk to coach Pierce yesterday and and one of the
things he was like, man, he was like, there was
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just two guys we didn't want Kansas City to get
a hold of. One was Browers and the other one
was Worthy. Sit well, no, I said, well, at least
you got one out of the two. But they got
one out of the two as well. So but I
think it's going to be an interesting It's going to
(12:14):
be an interesting season in the AFC. Wes and Travis
Kelsey will be a major part of that of that
interesting year. So you know, of course you're going to
compensate him and find a way to compensate him. And
as Q mentioned yesterday, all they really did was restructure
(12:35):
and move his money up. They moved it from the
back to the front, freeze up cap room for the team.
It keeps your your star tight and happy, it keeps
your quarterback happy. He's got his blanket. Linus has his blanket.
So it all you know, it all worked out.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You got to go to blanket and.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I don't. I do not have a go to blank
I do have my my most comfort blankets. It's like
almost like a like a how is it like a
I can't even explain it, but it's it's like it's
like almost like furry on one side, but then like
almost like smooth on the other. It's it's there's like
(13:16):
two or three of them around the house, and whenever
you see them, it's you jump under them. It's like
you feel like a bear, like I can only imagine
what a bear feels like when they they put you know,
put this, you know, living on their fur. But anyway, yeah,
it's it's a really really good one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I got my and this might be inappropriate, but I
got my wife a tortilla blanket a few years back,
and my kid has taken that, like he's completely swiped that.
So that's his now.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And what is a tortilla blanket?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It looks like a tortilla, but it's a giant blanket,
but it looks like a tortilla. So I mean, look
that listen. That might be offensive to some people.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I was trying to put it together because I was like,
I hear him just say tortilla.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, not an actual tortilla, you know, just a giant
blanket that looks like a tortilla.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I think like a big circle.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, it's like a big circle and it looks like
a giant tortilla.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Cause some people might be sitting there like, what is
a tortillas like a chip? You know, like is it
like a you know, triangle.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
If there's somebody out there that doesn't know what a
tortilla is, you need to get a life.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And or there's someone out there that doesn't know what
a tortilla is really like, oh yeah, yeah, because when
you think of tortilla, you might think of like a
like a case of dia or something like that. And
then it's already like in the half moon type of
I wouldn't have known before I got to California.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Let me tell you something sinkle to MYO.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Weekend coming up, it's coming out. Yeah, you better drink, you.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Better get your I told you were gonna What did
I tell I told you there's not a shot in
hell You're going to do this two month crap that
you were throwing out. You got single Tomyo, you love
servases and ice cold MODELO or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And I'm looking pretty good, you know, I've I've lost
them some serious ways. I'm feeling pretty good. I just
don't want to mess it up, and you know, drinking
messes it up. I don't have that natural vampire skinny
jean like you do. You know what I mean. I
have to I have to really work to keep myself,
you know, going in the opposite direction of Wait, I.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Think you're kind of a vampire racist. I gotta be
honest with you, Like it's very demeaning the way you
talk about vampires.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have any hate or malice
towards you your people.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I just you know your people. I just let me
tell you something. Me and my friends on the set
of Lost Boys take offense to that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
You got to refer to.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Us as you people, by the way, much better than
some of the other show. And by the way, during
the break, we'll come up with the top mount rushmore
vampire movies. Lee, did you get on that too, because
Lost Boys will be on there. What's is it? Twilight?
Is that what you nerds are into?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Oh? God, I was when they was putting it. It
was gang banging though, Like they was out there throwing
up gang signs like yo yo, vampires, bees bees be
you know what I mean, bees up overing, and they
was like nah duh west side, west side, werewolf baby,
werewolf side, you know what I mean? On the werewolf side,
Like they was banging, you know what I mean. Yeah, So,
by the way, great gang banger.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Twilight was just an excuse for a bunch of guys
in their early twenties to our eyeliner and get away
with it. That's all us. A bunch of kraw just
a bunch of crap.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Can you bring us back to the Lost Boy movie soundtrack?
I forget the words, but it is a pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So yeah, it's good, good soundtrack.
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Speaker 2 (17:19):
So, your former teammate Dion Sanders LeVar, he's in the
news is apparently it's now open season on Colorado. After
the strong start and poor finished to last year, people
pointing out that, you know, the spring game attendance was
down about twenty thousand. Never mind the fact that it's
still the second most second highly attended, second highest attended
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rather game spring game for Colorado in the history the program.
But it's still you know a lot of people that
are taking shots at Dion Sanders. And this comes up
because Xavier Smith, who was a former Colorado safety, he
told a story that was published in the Athletic about
how deonce but how farmer he was there last year.
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He was one of the guys that was there that
left to go elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, so he was he wasn't wanted there.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, so he went to he didn't play for Dion
and he went he left Colorado and he went over
to Austin p and he earned freshman All American honors
at Austin P And then he now is transferred over
to UTEP because Scottie Walden, who was the coach, went
to UTEP. So this is somebody who was there in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It wasn't coached during a season.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Not during the season, but he was there in the
artic let's.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Just make sure that that's clear before we go into
what his beefans. But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So he told The Athletic earlier this week that Deon
Sanders quote never even tried to get to know me,
and that he was destroying guy's confidence and belief in
themselves when he showed up. And look, there were a
lot of guys that they did want that went elsewhere,
and Dion had his guys that he wanted to bring in.
And so Shador Sanders Dion Sun went to social media
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and said bro had to be very mid at best,
insinuating that he was just sort of an average player
and not not really worth the trouble. But the trouble
was Xavier Smith had injury trouble while at Colorado, and
so that's part of the reason why he didn't really click,
didn't really have success there and ended up going elsewhere.
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So after Shador Sanders sent the tweet out there started
up a little bit of a back and forth to
where you know, a Colorado receiver posted a video of
himself kind of owning Xavier Smith in a practice last
spring at Colorado. Then somebody else, one of his new
teammates at Austin p made a comment about the Caleb
(19:56):
Mathis stat line from last year. Then all of a
sudden that went a back and forth. Dion Sanders uh
commented on a picture of somebody's stat line like there's
just it's basically Sanders.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I said that needs to stop acting like what he
needs to stop acting like something?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, and Dion rope back, he said he will be
a top five pick. Where your son going? I got
time today? So like here, here's like the part that
that I don't like about what happened is the way
that it was presented, Like the way that this was
was kind of you know, thrown out as far as
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how the story was presented where ESPN. And this isn't
a shot in anybody that wrote the article for ESPN,
but the headline on ESPN dot com says coach Prime
and son belittle CEU transfer FCS player. Okay, we can
try and victimize the guy all we want, but the
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way this reads to me is that guy took shots
first and they responded. And if you didn't think that
Dion Sanders was gonna respond, you clearly don't know anything
about who Dion Sanders was as a player, as a
guy or even as a coach, and it just feels
like this is everybody now taking an opportunity to see
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somebody who was very confident and was promising success and
has had it. Maybe the wins weren't there at the
end of the season, but has had success. And now,
as I said at the start, it's open season on
Colorado and a lot of people out there who were
rooting for this thing not to work, who are seeing
a little bit of a crack in the shield and
(21:42):
are thinking this is our opportunity to pounce. The guy
shot his mouth off, they responded, the fact that they're
trying to victimize everything on the other side doesn't really
add up to me.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, it's the off season to begin with, right, So
you know, the one thing that you realize about out
media anymore is and listen, this has always been really
a part of media is drama sales. And we're seeing
all of these beefs take place with the rappers and
(22:14):
culture drama sales. You know, it's so funny. I'll post
something on my social media be some of the most
uplifting quotes or uplifting posts. Nobody looks at them. I
post a dude that wants to be a woman coming
out of a woman's bathroom out of college and a
(22:37):
girl inter like filming herself asking the dude about being
in the joint, and it goes crazy. I could sit
there and post something cool about, you know, something that
took place, and you know, somebody getting some type of
acknowledgment award or something of that sort. Be a couple
of people that look at a couple of people that say, oh,
(22:59):
that's amazing. I post Abe talking about Kitlyn Clark and
what what he thinks about Kitlyn Clark and what she
does and doesn't do, and it it goes viral. Drama
sells and and for what it's worth. I know, there
were differing opinions on how Dion handled the scenario. You know,
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some people said they didn't like the fact that he responded,
and he needs to hold himself in a higher regard
and this and that and the other and and you know,
like you said, and other angles becoming like here's a victim.
You know, he's being he's being kind of attacked by
(23:40):
by Dion and and the Colorado players and Chador and
all these things. Listen when it when it all shakes out,
it's just entertainment. It's all entertainment. It is a show.
And it's interesting to me that people try to create
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these falsified type of standards and what it's supposed to
look like and the integrity of it and how it's
supposed to be done and why it's supposed to be done.
What Dion Sanders is doing as a coach and he
did it as a player, is he's showing you that
he doesn't care about what you believe the social norm
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should be, because ultimately, when he's in front of the camera,
whenever he's in the public eye, he knows it's a show.
That's why his nickname is called prime Time. If you
weren't paying attention, the man's nickname is Prime. So when
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talking about certain things and certain issues, you can't have
a strong stance on saying that what Dion is doing
is incorrect and that isn't up to the standard of
what the coach is and this, that and the other.
You don't get to define what that is whoever these
people are that's reporting it or saying that's beneath him
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or that's not what coach. A coach is held to
a higher standard, different standard. Okay, there's nothing saying that
Deon Sanders isn't holding himself to a higher standard as
a coach. But we make it. We make these drama
moments into something because that's how you keep people clicking,
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that's how you keep people engaged for what it's worth.
Whether you like it or not, Deon Sanders understands how
the show works. Deon Sanders knows how to garner support
from his captive audience, and he knows how to to
keep building the haters. You look, look at Floyd Mayweather.
(25:50):
When Floyd was pretty boy Floyd, nobody paid attention to
him Jonas, No nobody cared pretty boy Floyd. Pretty boy Floyd,
Nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
A skilled fighter who had hand isshoes, he kept breaking
his hands.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Then he changes to money Mayweather and he starts antagonizing
people and plays the hill and he becomes the most
highest paid boxer of all time, selling, selling out stadiums,
going crazy with with with pay per view buys. And
you know why, because you had a captive audience that
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loved Floyd, but you had a ginormous audience that wanted
to see him fail. And that's what Deon Sanders is
as a coach, right now you have a ginormous audience
that wants to see him fail, and he has a
captive audience that really really loves and admires what he does.
He understands that he plays it to the nine, and
(26:47):
you know what it's always going to be. What is
going to be when Deon Sanders name is associated and attached.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It's also like the idea for you're a coach, you
know you should be okay, Well, he's not like every coach, right,
and and not every coach is going to coach the
same Like when people would get on Kevin Durant because
Kevin Durant would respond to somebody on social media or whatever.
And Kevin Durant's like response to that was why can't
I respond? Like why what is this?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
That's what I'm saying? False, all these false parameters you've
got You've.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Got to act a certain way because you're this And
he's like, no, I think it's fun, So I respond,
big deal, Like it doesn't it doesn't have to be. Well,
you know you're behind the velvet ropes. You're you're a
bigger deal, so you you shouldn't you shouldn't, you know,
talk down or look down on everybody else and and
respond to all the negativity for us. Yeah, you can't
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get money, you're too nice for that. No you can't.
You're not allowed to swim in the mud with the
rest of us. It's like, dude, if the guy it's
his Twitter at CAD, if the guy wants to respond,
he wants to respond. And by the way, you don't
think Deon Sanders a little bit sick and tired of
hearing everybody talk about all the transfers and all the
failures and it's called and you know it's it's all hype,
and you know there were It's like the fact that
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Colorado's spring game attendance and the numbers being lower than
they were last year is even a story. Is exhibit
a that there's people out there that are monitoring to
see and hope that Deon Sanders and Colorado doesn't work. Dude,
there was twenty eight thousand people that showed up to
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a spring game and Boulder and I believe temperatures were
in the low forties. That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Imagine how many people are waiting to say Dion Sanders
got fired. Of course, Deonce Sanders got in trouble or
this that and the other they're they're just they have
the story already ready to go. They're just waiting for
it to this happen.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
The how many people have tweets in their drafts, like
if you write somebody in, they're in somebody's drafts. Around
social media, how many tweets getting ready to pile on
Deon Sanders every time they lose, just ready to fire
them off like ready to go. I think what he's
done in Colorado is fun. I'm not expecting them to
win a national title or to win a you know,
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to win a conference title or anything like that. Now
that they're out of the Craft twelve and onto bigger
and better things, I'm not expecting any of that. But
he's turned around a program. He's put them back on
the map, and it's a say whatever you want. Colorado
football and Deon Sanders, they's already won the top three
stories in college football last year, right next to Georgia
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not losing a game for three years and Michigan and
Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
They've already won.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Just just accept the fact that no matter how much
you hate them or how much you love them, they've
already won. Because everybody is investing in everybody like the
amount of revenue. Everybody's wont I mean Colorado Deon, everybody's.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Wont And let me tell you something, the coach Prime,
you want to throw us like a pair of blunders,
you know, for for having your back here. Yeah, we'll
take them, you know. Leo get on top of that
for you.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
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Speaker 2 (30:08):
If you are listening to us here on the Blowtorch
Am five to seventy LA Sports, I just want to
catch you up on what was said earlier in this show.
And I'm not snitching on anybody. I'm not trying to
rat anybody out. LaVar Arrington basically closed the casket on
the LA Clipper season earlier in the show. Dang. He
says that it's over. You've said it's over. No hate,
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no hope, no faith whatsoever in the La Clippers following
last night's dismantling courtesy of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Why would there be any hope or any any of that?
Why just done it's done. Damn man, dead man walking,
smell like smell like somebody dad.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, I don't know this bad boy.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And and they ain't got no doc holiday or no
wide irp on on LA Clippers right now. Seemingly so
how fitting that we'd say something that's comparable to a
Western flick when it's the Dallas Mavericks. That's that's, you know, dogging.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I mean, if you are doubting whether or not I'm
making up any of what LeVar said earlier here was
stick City LeVar Arrington's thoughts on the l A Clippers earlier.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
In the show smells some dime.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I mean, it's just disrespectful that you would take that approach. Listen,
this is a fan base, it's been through a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay, you know that was Wide her brother they was
talking about. Yeah, that's just so disrespectful. Go ahead, I
love no chill.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, well bye, I just want you to know it's
over with smell that yeah, pretty cold blooded. So that
was If you are a Clipper fan, you take it
out on LeVar Arrington's where and if you want to
have anything to say to LeVar Arrington you can find
him on Twitter at.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Lee to.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Him at Lee the Lab is where he will respond
to all your tweets.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Where vampires lived coffin sales, Yeah, at.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
At Bloodsucker is where you can put them. But we
transitioned smoothly from that over to this. Also, congratulations of
the Celtics they beat the Miami Heat, who I think
fielded a roster of Ronnie Cyclic and Bimbo Coles and
last night he's a DJ. Looked that up. I think
Ronnie cycly was is a DJ now if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
In Miami, God.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
He walked into the Clevelander and.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It Wasami.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, we'd like. Look, I'm almost positive Ronnie Cyclely was
a DJ. Like that's what he did post NBA career
because I think he didn't he play at Miami or no,
he play at Syracuse. Right, he played at Syracuse. Then
he ended up with the Miami Heat and uh, Lee's
got another let's go live to where I've got an
update on Ronnie Cyclee's DJ career inside or lead to
live for the latest lead.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
On top of uh Be coming to DJ was also
a very successful real estate agent. I'm trying to find
his DJ name though, but yes, he did go into
electronic music.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
As if you had to guess Ronnie Cycle's dj NA,
what would it be DJ Harry Chest.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I mean that man's amount of hair under his arm
on his chest, Yeah it was, But I mean, come on,
man like talk about made for Miami though. He just
looked like he was made for Miami, like he could
lead the hoop court and throw on that that Don
Johnson fit or maybe Philip Michael Bailey Bailey fit and
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he's Miami Vice that night, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Like all the way, you could probably dread the armpit
hair if you want to.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
It's like Rapunzel. Yeah, I got that Rapunzel hair, like
he's got.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Ricky Williams in a headlock. Dang okay.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
Sometimes referred to as rolls down his legs, get hard
corn rolls.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Down that man, those Marcos veins, Ronny Nope, not my hair.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
That's my hair, That's all. I was getting a little
long figured out corn rolling today, Lee, What do you.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Got Ronny Cycles? Hairy legs DJ names sometimes referred to
as Ronnie style.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Style. Man.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I love Roddy.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
They did them. Alan Iverson designed braids down his legs.
He gave him a fade and a tape.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh right around. Well listen Ronnie listening man, congrats, you know,
hell a hell of a run as a member of
the Heat and as a real estate that I love
Roddy Cyclely. So so we move on from Ronnie Cyclely
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over to Ryan Poles, uh, the general manager of the
Chicago Bears. He was on the Pat mcabee Show starring
AJ Hawk and he was asked whether or not the
Bears actually ever really considered moving off the number one
pick in the draft. Here is his response.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
I don't think I ever allowed it to get crazy because,
you know, we were gathering information on que and I knew,
you know, again from the tape it was a rare
prospect that had a lot of talent that could help
us turn this thing around. So it's going to take
a lot.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
So by the time we got to the point where
we felt comfortable, I wasn't either going to take those
calls anymore even you know, listen to what it was
going to be, because I knew this was the right
move for us.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Kept a movement.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
So Ryan Poles on the Pat mcavay show starring AJ
Hawk talking about potentially moving off the pick, and look,
I said at the time. Once Carolina determined that they
were going to be the diaper fire of the league.
It was over New Year's Eve when they clinched the
worst record in the league and the Bears had that
number one pick. Like all the discussion about well should
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they keep justin fields and trade the pick, it was
never going to happen. I never thought Ryan Poles with
another chance to draft his quarterback number one overall, because
he had the opportunity last year as well too. I
don't think he was going to let that opportunity pass.
And the fact that it was Kayleb Williams, who's the
quote unquote generational talent, this felt like it was always
going to be a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
How do you think it's going to play out? How
do you think polls, how you think he did. Do
you think that that's just the see? To me, I
feel like it's the easy no brainer that you can
get out of the way of, yes, you know, if
it goes wrong, it wasn't you that made it go wrong.
It's the player that made it go wrong because we
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we did what everybody else did, which was take the
information and thought that you were a generational player.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And here's the other part that doesn't get brought up
a lot that I'm always curious to see whether or
not we're going to look back on this, because who's
who's the Who's the best rookie quarterback from a year ago?
CJ Stroud, Right, Yep, it ain't just Carolina Young went
number one. Yeah, it ain't just Carolina that passed up
(37:44):
on CJ. Stroud. The Bears passed up on him too.
Ryan Poles passed up on him too.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
And so which is interesting, right, because you could have
had c J. Stroud even though you have justin Field,
and that that you did the same exact thing a
year later, and so that you think Caleb Williams will
have a better rookie season than c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, I think and I think you know a lot
of people would look at that and go, well, you know,
it's just you're comparing Bryce Young to CJ. Stroud, You're
comparing Carolina to c J. Stroud. And to your point,
I don't look at it like that. If we want
to play the comp game, it's going to be really
hard to surpass what CJ. Stroud did last year. He
completely changed the fortunes of a franchise. I mean they
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went from massage Watson not wanting anything to do with them,
and then you know, burning turning and burning on head
coaches too. They were bummed that they didn't end up
with the number one pick because of Lovey Smith and
Davis Mills and what happened in that game against the Colts,
and then c J. Stroud sort of quote unquote fell
in their lap at number two and he ended up
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putting together maybe one of the best rookie quarterback campaigns
that we've ever seen in the NFL. But it isn't
just Carolina that passed up on him, dude. Ryan Poles
passed up on that too, Like he had an opportunity
sitting there at one to where if he had evaluated
c J. Stroud differently, then maybe he would have chosen him,
but he didn't. He passed him up. So I think
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everything as far as Ryan pulls, his time in Chicago
is going to be tied to Caleb Williams, right or wrong.
And you said it earlier in the show, like, man,
you can't get injured. You can't like there's a lot
of things you can't let happen that are outside of
your control, and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Crazy to say it, right. Yeah, it's with a lot
of things outside of your control that you have to
try to control, and the number one is getting injured.
You gotta control getting injured. Can't do it the moment
you start getting injured. That's like you're on the clock.
You're on the clock. You are on the clock, especially
if you get injured more than once, especially if it's
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a serious injury. You're on the clock. You could think
that you're not if you want to, you could have
a different take on it. If you want to. You're
on the clock. You have now become a liability injuries
that those are liabilities. Like imagine, like you want me
to put in a proper perspective, imagine in other jobs
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you get injured and you get injured to the degree
where and we said this earlier in the show where
you miss work, What are you to that company? A liability?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah? And replaceable And I just I look at it
and I go whatever, Ryan Polls his tenure in Chicago
is summed up as or summarized as is all reliant
on how Caleb Williams does because you had you know, look,
Justin Fields had a level of success. I wasn't surprised.
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I never thought they were going to move forward with
Justin Fields. I just looked at it in totality and
also in a reality based point of view of in
the NFL, you want to draft your guy. He wasn't
Ryan Poles, this guy. He wanted to be able to
draft this guy. But his guy could have been CJ. Stroud,
who ended up being the Rookie of the Year last
year and completely changed the course of a franchise.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And I think the cautionary tale of what you're talking
about right now, Jonas, is that there was actually a
debate as to who should go number one in that draft,
Oh yes, and that debate being settled by Bryce Young
being taken. And you don't hear any type of buzz
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surrounding Bryce Young. No, you don't hear any type of
You don't see Bryce Young walking out with Amber Rose.
You don't see it, Like you're not seeing what you're seeing,
which CJ. Stroud is arguably already in the conversation of
being a face of the National Football League to date,
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And y'all didn't take him number one. Y'all didn't take
him number one. So the cautionary tale. What's the cautionary
tale here? There's the chances that Jalen, Jaydon Daniels, bo Knicks,
JJ McCarthy. There's the chance that you see one of
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these guys emerge as being like a guy like, damn
he failed? He was what number quarterback taking in that draft?
Oh that's the same draft? Who was that? Who was
that that one? Number one? He was a net? Who
was it? Like? That's that's the potential that exists here.
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That happened in one season for Bryce Young one season
because of how well c J. Stroud did and how
he put the Texans back on the map of being
a competitor. Think about that, man.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, and also I would say this as far as
the Amber Ros conversation goes, yeah, Lee Amber Rose year
nay it on that? Yeah yeah, yeah sure, very talented,
very talented, right, just making sure, no, they didn't quite
know whether or not you signed off on that.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Here's the point. Here's the point. Is the Bears football
team going to be good enough for Caleb Williams to
beat the curve of which he's going to be judged on.
That's the biggest issue. Look, not Caleb Williams, the biggest
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issue is always going to be will the franchise be
in position to make it a successful rookie year bid
for that player.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I mean, we don't know where they're going to play
games in the foreseeable future or coming up in a
few years from now, because they still can't figure out
whether or not they want to put parking in the
renderings that they provided the public. And now there's some
pushback on whether or not the stadium's actually going to
get downe there, whatever the case may be, at the
very least, you know the Virginia McCaskey, the owner, not
throwing beard at anybody in a at a game like
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David Tepper was so.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
God tug coming stud of c J. Strout, get this
beer and I love on your head.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I love Bryce Young, but I feel for Bryce Young
because he's probably looking around and I wonder if Frank
Reich and him stay in touch, and Frank Reich's like, yeah, listen, man,
I don't have to tell you like I'm just I'm not.
You know, this is uh, this is on you. You
got to figure this out because you've got David Temper
to deal with.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Like how did you do this? You know, David Tepper
be walking around. Come in, you know, he comes in
the meeting rooms like Nino Brown when there was snitch.
You know what I mean that he started jump roping
his his his leash for his dog. Remember he released
a little rot Wilder to walk around the roof. He
gonna stab the GM in the hand.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I never like Torans anyways, Oh man, so bad.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
I want to see j Stroud.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
We're talking about somebody's career, Like, you know what sucks
about it? If it heads down the way that it's
headed down. Bryce Young is going to be looked at
like a lot of those quarterbacks we talked about, and
they're gonna call him a bus and it's probably not
his fault.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And that's that is the same scenario your boy is
facing in Chicago. So let me tell you this. I'm
gonna tell you straight out. If you see Caleb Williams
have an amazing season with the Chicago Bears, he is
more than what you thought he was. His legitness is
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too legit to quit mc hammer style. It is way
more than what you could have even thought. Because this
beer stink. Geez, they stink. Decent defense got players, got
a couple of players on defense. Okay, you added some
players on offense. Everybody wants to talking. Oh, they added
players on offense. They stinkh If that man changes the
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way the Chicago Bears are looked at and viewed and
they become competitive this year under him as the quarterback,
he is more. He is even more legit than what
you thought he was, even in a make it to
the playoffs but not go very far in the playoffs
type of run. If he takes this team to the
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playoffs his rookie year, bow down and get that man
his propit.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
I'll say this, he's got a lot more to work
with than Bryce Young did last year. Because he's got
DJ Moore, He's got Keenan Allen, He's got Roma Dunza,
he's got coul Kamett, he's got Gerald Everett, he's got
DeAndre swift Man.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Look here, that ain't bad. But the reality of it
is is that I don't trust any of that. I
don't trust any of that. Like those names you're thrown out.
Like some of it it sounds pretty good. Some of
it is questionable. Health can concerns, rookie concerns. There's just there.
Questionable deals, questionable deals, I and DeAndre, Like this is
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Deandre's what third team in three years?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, so he's in demand. What are you trying to.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Say, Please, let's be clear here, Like and I like
DeAndre Swift, but let's be clear, third team in three years?
Freaking Keenan Allen can't stay healthy? DJ Moore. They didn't
even want him in the place that Bryce Young went to, Like, like,
let's just be clear here, Like, let's not act like
Caleb Williams is like a Doone'sday, Like he's not gonna
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get judged because he's a he's a draft pick and
he has great potential to be a great pro. But
but he's a rookie. He's a rookie, so it ain't like,
don't act like Caleb Williams is walking into this pristine
now your boy JJ McCarthy is walking into a dope situation.
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Your boy Caleb Williams, he's still walking into a dumpster fire.
Can he does he got enough gas, enough enough extinguisher
fluid to put it out? That's the bigger question. That's
the bigger question.
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knots on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How we feel sticks good?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Man, Come on, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's NBA playoffs. We'll just start there. Congratulations to the
Boston Celtics, who finally didn't play with their food for
the first time in about five or six years.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
They did.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You remember the parting Casino where Joe Pash's got Tony
Doggs's head and the vice and it's like, at some point,
you just gotta you gotta call it, all right, you gotta,
you gotta make the move. The Celtics had Miami's head
and device and they just just everything I socket juice.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know, airs rolling out, you know, just yeah, it
was bad.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, so you just had to move on, you know,
you gotta you gotta take care of business. They're not
gonna talk, you know, they were gonna go down fighting.
But there was no Rosier, there was no Jimmy Butler.
The Celtics didn't have poor Zingis, but they were completely
outmatched and if Miami did' hit threes, they had no shot.
That's the only way they won Game two. To begin with,
Celtics move on. All is good. Clippers on the other hand,
(01:12):
not so much.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You mean Mavericks on on the Mavericks happened to that other.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, of course, but it's just so it's it's so fun.
And I don't know why it takes such delight in
this when people are just like, nah, but this time
it's different telling you what the Clippers it's like, No, no,
it's a different story this time. This time it's going
to be different. We're telling you this is going to
(01:42):
be a whole new Clippers basketball. And they go out
and get stomped by Dallas last night and h and
now the Mavericks are one game away from advancing to
the next round of the playoffs, and the Kawhi Leonard
injury issue is, you know, rearing its ugly head once again.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
For the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That guy just can't catch a break man, Yes he can.
What's that he gets?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
He gets to chill out and watch the games? Is
that a break break from the action? You know? But listen,
when you take a look at that game, there is
too much length, you know, for for the Clippers. You know,
the usage of of of Derek Jones Junior like dj J.
(02:31):
I mean, those those guys, they were bawling man like,
lively like balling, and they showed their length. And Kyrie
is able to do what Kyrie does. He facilitates so
well and and you have to pay attention to him
because he can drive, penetrate and and force you know,
(02:55):
force the issue in terms of him creating his own opportunities.
And then Luca obviously is a beast as well. So
when you got two alpha scores and Doncic and Irvin
and then you got to you know, you got role
players that are are flying at the rim, It's ah,
(03:16):
the Mavericks look pretty good. Now, I don't know how
that translates into a series against a better team. It
looked as though Paul George might become playoff p again,
but that was rented, not bot And so.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You know this is I will say this, if you
have a bad game in the NBA playoffs the next
forty eight hours until you get an opportunity to get
that taste out of your mouth, that's probably not a
fun place to be on social media. That's just not
a place, very good place. If you went to Twitter
last night or x whatever the hell you want to
(03:56):
call it. One of the things that you saw trending
was pandemic p It's like, well, at least he's out there,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I mean, that is fair. At least he's out there trying.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's all. He's get a lot of help. I mean,
Russell Westbrook is he's basically turned into Draymond Green cut
in half to where you like, you're just like, he's
going to get into an altercation, but you just cannot
count on him consistently to do anything as far as
production wise, to help you get back into games or
get back into a series. And it just seems like
(04:33):
the highlight for him this series was, you know, getting
into an altercation or a dust up with Luca, only
to turn around and see PJ. Washington ready to rock
and he decided, yeah, I don't want any part of that.
So yeah, it's not not a fun place to be
if you're the Clippers. But yeah, the Mavericks look look
pretty good. And now they can you know, ice them
(04:54):
out and advance to the next round if they take
air business in the next game.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So it's a wrap four the Clippers. It's it's an
experiment that did not work. I mean, I don't. I
don't see how you continue on with with that roster
you got.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You kind of have to because you got this new
stadium and.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So yeah, I don't know. I don't know about.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That unless you're you're planning on getting Michael Cage out
there to uh, you know, to throw down for a
few minutes or whatever. I mean, Blake Griffin just retired,
so maybe you can bring him out of retirement to
play next year.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So stupid, that's that's Uh. They had a potential. They
had a potential big four on that team, not a
big three, a big four with with obviously Russ with
with Harden, with pandemic, p damn and and uh take
(05:55):
a break, take a break, Leonard. I mean, they had
to put four pandemic. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's so dumb.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's kind of funny though the pandemic is over, but
clearly not for Paul George. I just I don't see
how you continue moving forward with with that roster. It's
not going to work. It's just not going to work.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But it was so much fun when they when they
first arrived, Like I can remember going on the air
like five minutes after it was announced that Kawhi and
Paul George were coming and it was like, first of
all Laker fans were distraught, and then you had I
remember Ben Maller came on and he was excited, like
everybody was really fired up about it. And yet here
(06:46):
we are, same old story, year in, year out, and
it's bad luck, injuries at the wrong time, poor play,
getting wiped out by record numbers in a home game.
Now your face and elimination. Kyrie irving all of a sudden,
to your point, has found it again to where there
was some questions about whether or not he was washed.
(07:08):
And yet here we are and the Clippers are staring
the same fate squaring the eyes. So that's that's fun.
So if you're a Clipper fan, I think there's a
couple left. You know, our condolences, but it appears like
maybe a wrap there. If you can't get Kawhi back,
what's not.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
A rap, it's a rap. If you get me, he's
already wrapped, right, bubble wrapped. Yeah. All you're gonna do
if you get him back is get the pop up
for four for four quarters. He's got enough, he got
enough bubble wrap on him. The pop for four quarters.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
My g now, we do have somebody who is not
going anywhere, who you can count on in the big game,
who has dealt with you know, dealt with a little
bit of injury issue last year at the start of
the season, but he did figure it out, bounce back,
have a decent year, only to turn into a mon
postseason in the NFL playoffs. And that is Travis kelce
(08:03):
Travis Kelcey gets the new deal with the Kansas City Chiefs,
gets a little bit of a raise thirty four plus
million dollars over the next couple of years. It's got
him locked up until he's about thirty eight years old,
and it looks like he's going to get an opportunity
to retire a Kansas City chief Unlike the Clippers. They've
got actual Super Bowl rings, they've got actual World championship pedigree,
(08:25):
and he always shows up.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
In the pro.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Everything.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
No pandemic there.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And I'll tell you what. It kind of does tie
in because Taylor Swift's banner was hung up at Staple Center.
I don't believe it's still got transitioned over to the
Crypto dot Com slash net arena, but her banner was
up there at the Staple Center so you transition from
that over to somebody else who's hung up a lot
(08:51):
of banners. Travis Kelce he spoke about getting the new
deal done in Kansas City on the New Heights podcast.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I'm so excited and I'm so thankful to to this
organization for getting it done and making me feel appreciated
and compensated the right way. And on top of that,
I got to move the needle for the tight End room.
You know, it's it's everyone else's job to go out
there and keep making uh that tight End aa V
number go up and up with every single contract that's
(09:19):
that that's better than mine and in the future. And
I can't thank Kansas City enough my agents for for
keep knocking on that door to to see if anything's available,
knowing that I'm not a guy that sits out. I'm
not a guy that holds out. I'm a guy that
loves coming into the building.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And the chiefs know that.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So for them to want to first of all, want
to be able to get this done for me, knowing
how much blood, sweat, and tears I put into this
thing for I'm extremely grateful and extremely thankful for for
everybody involved. Man, I love Kansas City for it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
See more of the story in the biggest game of
the year. Yeah, well, and in the biggest game, in
the biggest game of the year. If if you assault
your coach who just had hip surgery.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
YouTube didn't get rewarded a million dollars, You're so stupid.
Why do you got so much hate in your heart?
Let let it out.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I'm just listen. I'm just trying to point out some
facts here, all right. That was that wasn't a play
that happened in the Super Bowl. Andy Reid just had
hip surgery. Guy's got a plastic hip, and Travis Kelsey
assaulted him.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I mean he felt alive. You know, that's a former
offensive lineman. You know, he felt he made coach ree
feel like he was alive, like he wasn't the coach
he was wanted, like he was a teammate. You know.
That's all that was. That's all Travis was going for.
Listen when I say he sounded ready, he sounds like
he's ready to go into the booth, like go behind
the desk. He sounds good. You know one thing about it.
(10:43):
You know, I'm in this nil space and first and
foremost again a second time, of saying congratulations to him.
He did move the needle, he did do something great
for the position. He's pushed it forward. But one thing
about athletes, we don't do enough self development as it
(11:03):
applies to the way that we conduct our business and
and the way we handle things.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Self development.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, and so to be able to conduct yourself in
a way where it's it's favorable, it's clear, it's it's
it's polished. I mean, Travis Kelsey has has a way
you can hear his established way of communicating and it's
it's it comes across as very polished. So good for him.
(11:33):
I mean, he's done well as a football player. He'll
continue to do well as a football player. Their team
is loaded. It's so funny, he I say. I always say,
I'm not going to talk about our conversations. I did
talk to coach Pierce yesterday and and one of the
things he was like, man, he was like, there was
(11:53):
just two guys we didn't want Kansas City to get
a hold of. One was Browers and the other one
was Worthy. Sit well, no, I said, well, at least
you got one out of the two. But they got
one out of the two as well. So but I
think it's going to be an interesting It's going to
(12:14):
be an interesting season in the AFC. Wes and Travis
Kelsey will be a major part of that of that
interesting year. So you know, of course you're going to
compensate him and find a way to compensate him. And
as Q mentioned yesterday, all they really did was restructure
(12:35):
and move his money up. They moved it from the
back to the front, freeze up cap room for the team.
It keeps your your star tight and happy, it keeps
your quarterback happy. He's got his blanket. Linus has his blanket.
So it all you know, it all worked out.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You got to go to blanket and.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I don't. I do not have a go to blank
I do have my my most comfort blankets. It's like
almost like a like a how is it like a
I can't even explain it, but it's it's like it's
like almost like furry on one side, but then like
almost like smooth on the other. It's it's there's like
(13:16):
two or three of them around the house, and whenever
you see them, it's you jump under them. It's like
you feel like a bear, like I can only imagine
what a bear feels like when they they put you know,
put this, you know, living on their fur. But anyway, yeah,
it's it's a really really good one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I got my and this might be inappropriate, but I
got my wife a tortilla blanket a few years back,
and my kid has taken that, like he's completely swiped that.
So that's his now.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And what is a tortilla blanket?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It looks like a tortilla, but it's a giant blanket,
but it looks like a tortilla. So I mean, look
that listen. That might be offensive to some people.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I was trying to put it together because I was like,
I hear him just say tortilla.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, not an actual tortilla, you know, just a giant
blanket that looks like a tortilla.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I think like a big circle.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, it's like a big circle and it looks like
a giant tortilla.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Cause some people might be sitting there like, what is
a tortillas like a chip? You know, like is it
like a you know, triangle.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
If there's somebody out there that doesn't know what a
tortilla is, you need to get a life.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And or there's someone out there that doesn't know what
a tortilla is really like, oh yeah, yeah, because when
you think of tortilla, you might think of like a
like a case of dia or something like that. And
then it's already like in the half moon type of
I wouldn't have known before I got to California.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Let me tell you something sinkle to MYO.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Weekend coming up, it's coming out. Yeah, you better drink, you.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Better get your I told you were gonna What did
I tell I told you there's not a shot in
hell You're going to do this two month crap that
you were throwing out. You got single Tomyo, you love
servases and ice cold MODELO or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And I'm looking pretty good, you know, I've I've lost
them some serious ways. I'm feeling pretty good. I just
don't want to mess it up, and you know, drinking
messes it up. I don't have that natural vampire skinny
jean like you do. You know what I mean. I
have to I have to really work to keep myself,
you know, going in the opposite direction of Wait, I.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Think you're kind of a vampire racist. I gotta be
honest with you, Like it's very demeaning the way you
talk about vampires.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have any hate or malice
towards you your people.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I just you know your people. I just let me
tell you something. Me and my friends on the set
of Lost Boys take offense to that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
You got to refer to.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Us as you people, by the way, much better than
some of the other show. And by the way, during
the break, we'll come up with the top mount rushmore
vampire movies. Lee, did you get on that too, because
Lost Boys will be on there. What's is it? Twilight?
Is that what you nerds are into?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Oh? God, I was when they was putting it. It
was gang banging though, Like they was out there throwing
up gang signs like yo yo, vampires, bees bees be
you know what I mean, bees up overing, and they
was like nah duh west side, west side, werewolf baby,
werewolf side, you know what I mean? On the werewolf side,
Like they was banging, you know what I mean. Yeah, So,
by the way, great gang banger.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Twilight was just an excuse for a bunch of guys
in their early twenties to our eyeliner and get away
with it. That's all us. A bunch of kraw just
a bunch of crap.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Can you bring us back to the Lost Boy movie soundtrack?
I forget the words, but it is a pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So yeah, it's good, good soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
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It's the Book of Joe podcasts. I can't wait for this, Joe.
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Speaker 2 (17:19):
So, your former teammate Dion Sanders LeVar, he's in the
news is apparently it's now open season on Colorado. After
the strong start and poor finished to last year, people
pointing out that, you know, the spring game attendance was
down about twenty thousand. Never mind the fact that it's
still the second most second highly attended, second highest attended
(17:45):
rather game spring game for Colorado in the history the program.
But it's still you know a lot of people that
are taking shots at Dion Sanders. And this comes up
because Xavier Smith, who was a former Colorado safety, he
told a story that was published in the Athletic about
how deonce but how farmer he was there last year.
(18:07):
He was one of the guys that was there that
left to go elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, so he was he wasn't wanted there.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, so he went to he didn't play for Dion
and he went he left Colorado and he went over
to Austin p and he earned freshman All American honors
at Austin P And then he now is transferred over
to UTEP because Scottie Walden, who was the coach, went
to UTEP. So this is somebody who was there in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It wasn't coached during a season.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Not during the season, but he was there in the
artic let's.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Just make sure that that's clear before we go into
what his beefans. But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So he told The Athletic earlier this week that Deon
Sanders quote never even tried to get to know me,
and that he was destroying guy's confidence and belief in
themselves when he showed up. And look, there were a
lot of guys that they did want that went elsewhere,
and Dion had his guys that he wanted to bring in.
And so Shador Sanders Dion Sun went to social media
(19:08):
and said bro had to be very mid at best,
insinuating that he was just sort of an average player
and not not really worth the trouble. But the trouble
was Xavier Smith had injury trouble while at Colorado, and
so that's part of the reason why he didn't really click,
didn't really have success there and ended up going elsewhere.
(19:31):
So after Shador Sanders sent the tweet out there started
up a little bit of a back and forth to
where you know, a Colorado receiver posted a video of
himself kind of owning Xavier Smith in a practice last
spring at Colorado. Then somebody else, one of his new
teammates at Austin p made a comment about the Caleb
(19:56):
Mathis stat line from last year. Then all of a
sudden that went a back and forth. Dion Sanders uh
commented on a picture of somebody's stat line like there's
just it's basically Sanders.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I said that needs to stop acting like what he
needs to stop acting like something?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, and Dion rope back, he said he will be
a top five pick. Where your son going? I got
time today? So like here, here's like the part that
that I don't like about what happened is the way
that it was presented, Like the way that this was
was kind of you know, thrown out as far as
(20:36):
how the story was presented where ESPN. And this isn't
a shot in anybody that wrote the article for ESPN,
but the headline on ESPN dot com says coach Prime
and son belittle CEU transfer FCS player. Okay, we can
try and victimize the guy all we want, but the
(20:59):
way this reads to me is that guy took shots
first and they responded. And if you didn't think that
Dion Sanders was gonna respond, you clearly don't know anything
about who Dion Sanders was as a player, as a
guy or even as a coach, and it just feels
like this is everybody now taking an opportunity to see
(21:21):
somebody who was very confident and was promising success and
has had it. Maybe the wins weren't there at the
end of the season, but has had success. And now,
as I said at the start, it's open season on
Colorado and a lot of people out there who were
rooting for this thing not to work, who are seeing
a little bit of a crack in the shield and
(21:42):
are thinking this is our opportunity to pounce. The guy
shot his mouth off, they responded, the fact that they're
trying to victimize everything on the other side doesn't really
add up to me.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, it's the off season to begin with, right, So
you know, the one thing that you realize about out
media anymore is and listen, this has always been really
a part of media is drama sales. And we're seeing
all of these beefs take place with the rappers and
(22:14):
culture drama sales. You know, it's so funny. I'll post
something on my social media be some of the most
uplifting quotes or uplifting posts. Nobody looks at them. I
post a dude that wants to be a woman coming
out of a woman's bathroom out of college and a
(22:37):
girl inter like filming herself asking the dude about being
in the joint, and it goes crazy. I could sit
there and post something cool about, you know, something that
took place, and you know, somebody getting some type of
acknowledgment award or something of that sort. Be a couple
of people that look at a couple of people that say, oh,
(22:59):
that's amazing. I post Abe talking about Kitlyn Clark and
what what he thinks about Kitlyn Clark and what she
does and doesn't do, and it it goes viral. Drama
sells and and for what it's worth. I know, there
were differing opinions on how Dion handled the scenario. You know,
(23:20):
some people said they didn't like the fact that he responded,
and he needs to hold himself in a higher regard
and this and that and the other and and you know,
like you said, and other angles becoming like here's a victim.
You know, he's being he's being kind of attacked by
(23:40):
by Dion and and the Colorado players and Chador and
all these things. Listen when it when it all shakes out,
it's just entertainment. It's all entertainment. It is a show.
And it's interesting to me that people try to create
(24:01):
these falsified type of standards and what it's supposed to
look like and the integrity of it and how it's
supposed to be done and why it's supposed to be done.
What Dion Sanders is doing as a coach and he
did it as a player, is he's showing you that
he doesn't care about what you believe the social norm
(24:24):
should be, because ultimately, when he's in front of the camera,
whenever he's in the public eye, he knows it's a show.
That's why his nickname is called prime Time. If you
weren't paying attention, the man's nickname is Prime. So when
(24:46):
talking about certain things and certain issues, you can't have
a strong stance on saying that what Dion is doing
is incorrect and that isn't up to the standard of
what the coach is and this, that and the other.
You don't get to define what that is whoever these
people are that's reporting it or saying that's beneath him
(25:09):
or that's not what coach. A coach is held to
a higher standard, different standard. Okay, there's nothing saying that
Deon Sanders isn't holding himself to a higher standard as
a coach. But we make it. We make these drama
moments into something because that's how you keep people clicking,
(25:29):
that's how you keep people engaged for what it's worth.
Whether you like it or not, Deon Sanders understands how
the show works. Deon Sanders knows how to garner support
from his captive audience, and he knows how to to
keep building the haters. You look, look at Floyd Mayweather.
(25:50):
When Floyd was pretty boy Floyd, nobody paid attention to
him Jonas, No nobody cared pretty boy Floyd. Pretty boy Floyd,
Nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
A skilled fighter who had hand isshoes, he kept breaking
his hands.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Then he changes to money Mayweather and he starts antagonizing
people and plays the hill and he becomes the most
highest paid boxer of all time, selling, selling out stadiums,
going crazy with with with pay per view buys. And
you know why, because you had a captive audience that
(26:25):
loved Floyd, but you had a ginormous audience that wanted
to see him fail. And that's what Deon Sanders is
as a coach, right now you have a ginormous audience
that wants to see him fail, and he has a
captive audience that really really loves and admires what he does.
He understands that he plays it to the nine, and
(26:47):
you know what it's always going to be. What is
going to be when Deon Sanders name is associated and attached.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It's also like the idea for you're a coach, you
know you should be okay, Well, he's not like every coach, right,
and and not every coach is going to coach the
same Like when people would get on Kevin Durant because
Kevin Durant would respond to somebody on social media or whatever.
And Kevin Durant's like response to that was why can't
I respond? Like why what is this?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
That's what I'm saying? False, all these false parameters you've
got You've.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Got to act a certain way because you're this And
he's like, no, I think it's fun, So I respond,
big deal, Like it doesn't it doesn't have to be. Well,
you know you're behind the velvet ropes. You're you're a
bigger deal, so you you shouldn't you shouldn't, you know,
talk down or look down on everybody else and and
respond to all the negativity for us. Yeah, you can't
(27:42):
get money, you're too nice for that. No you can't.
You're not allowed to swim in the mud with the
rest of us. It's like, dude, if the guy it's
his Twitter at CAD, if the guy wants to respond,
he wants to respond. And by the way, you don't
think Deon Sanders a little bit sick and tired of
hearing everybody talk about all the transfers and all the
failures and it's called and you know it's it's all hype,
and you know there were It's like the fact that
(28:02):
Colorado's spring game attendance and the numbers being lower than
they were last year is even a story. Is exhibit
a that there's people out there that are monitoring to
see and hope that Deon Sanders and Colorado doesn't work. Dude,
there was twenty eight thousand people that showed up to
(28:26):
a spring game and Boulder and I believe temperatures were
in the low forties. That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Imagine how many people are waiting to say Dion Sanders
got fired. Of course, Deonce Sanders got in trouble or
this that and the other they're they're just they have
the story already ready to go. They're just waiting for
it to this happen.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
The how many people have tweets in their drafts, like
if you write somebody in, they're in somebody's drafts. Around
social media, how many tweets getting ready to pile on
Deon Sanders every time they lose, just ready to fire
them off like ready to go. I think what he's
done in Colorado is fun. I'm not expecting them to
win a national title or to win a you know,
(29:07):
to win a conference title or anything like that. Now
that they're out of the Craft twelve and onto bigger
and better things, I'm not expecting any of that. But
he's turned around a program. He's put them back on
the map, and it's a say whatever you want. Colorado
football and Deon Sanders, they's already won the top three
stories in college football last year, right next to Georgia
(29:29):
not losing a game for three years and Michigan and
Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
They've already won.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Just just accept the fact that no matter how much
you hate them or how much you love them, they've
already won. Because everybody is investing in everybody like the
amount of revenue. Everybody's wont I mean Colorado Deon, everybody's.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Wont And let me tell you something, the coach Prime,
you want to throw us like a pair of blunders,
you know, for for having your back here. Yeah, we'll
take them, you know. Leo get on top of that
for you.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
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Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and Jonas
Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
If you are listening to us here on the Blowtorch
Am five to seventy LA Sports, I just want to
catch you up on what was said earlier in this show.
And I'm not snitching on anybody. I'm not trying to
rat anybody out. LaVar Arrington basically closed the casket on
the LA Clipper season earlier in the show. Dang. He
says that it's over. You've said it's over. No hate,
(30:31):
no hope, no faith whatsoever in the La Clippers following
last night's dismantling courtesy of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Why would there be any hope or any any of that?
Why just done it's done. Damn man, dead man walking,
smell like smell like somebody dad.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, I don't know this bad boy.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And and they ain't got no doc holiday or no
wide irp on on LA Clippers right now. Seemingly so
how fitting that we'd say something that's comparable to a
Western flick when it's the Dallas Mavericks. That's that's, you know, dogging.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I mean, if you are doubting whether or not I'm
making up any of what LeVar said earlier here was
stick City LeVar Arrington's thoughts on the l A Clippers earlier.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
In the show smells some dime.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I mean, it's just disrespectful that you would take that approach. Listen,
this is a fan base, it's been through a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay, you know that was Wide her brother they was
talking about. Yeah, that's just so disrespectful. Go ahead, I
love no chill.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, well bye, I just want you to know it's
over with smell that yeah, pretty cold blooded. So that
was If you are a Clipper fan, you take it
out on LeVar Arrington's where and if you want to
have anything to say to LeVar Arrington you can find
him on Twitter at.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Lee to.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Him at Lee the Lab is where he will respond
to all your tweets.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Where vampires lived coffin sales, Yeah, at.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
At Bloodsucker is where you can put them. But we
transitioned smoothly from that over to this. Also, congratulations of
the Celtics they beat the Miami Heat, who I think
fielded a roster of Ronnie Cyclic and Bimbo Coles and
last night he's a DJ. Looked that up. I think
Ronnie cycly was is a DJ now if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
In Miami, God.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
He walked into the Clevelander and.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It Wasami.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, we'd like. Look, I'm almost positive Ronnie Cyclely was
a DJ. Like that's what he did post NBA career
because I think he didn't he play at Miami or no,
he play at Syracuse. Right, he played at Syracuse. Then
he ended up with the Miami Heat and uh, Lee's
got another let's go live to where I've got an
update on Ronnie Cyclee's DJ career inside or lead to
live for the latest lead.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
On top of uh Be coming to DJ was also
a very successful real estate agent. I'm trying to find
his DJ name though, but yes, he did go into
electronic music.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
As if you had to guess Ronnie Cycle's dj NA,
what would it be DJ Harry Chest.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I mean that man's amount of hair under his arm
on his chest, Yeah it was, But I mean, come on,
man like talk about made for Miami though. He just
looked like he was made for Miami, like he could
lead the hoop court and throw on that that Don
Johnson fit or maybe Philip Michael Bailey Bailey fit and
(34:02):
he's Miami Vice that night, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Like all the way, you could probably dread the armpit
hair if you want to.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
It's like Rapunzel. Yeah, I got that Rapunzel hair, like
he's got.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Ricky Williams in a headlock. Dang okay.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
Sometimes referred to as rolls down his legs, get hard
corn rolls.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Down that man, those Marcos veins, Ronny Nope, not my hair.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
That's my hair, That's all. I was getting a little
long figured out corn rolling today, Lee, What do you.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Got Ronny Cycles? Hairy legs DJ names sometimes referred to
as Ronnie style.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Style. Man.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I love Roddy.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
They did them. Alan Iverson designed braids down his legs.
He gave him a fade and a tape.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh right around. Well listen Ronnie listening man, congrats, you know,
hell a hell of a run as a member of
the Heat and as a real estate that I love
Roddy Cyclely. So so we move on from Ronnie Cyclely
(35:25):
over to Ryan Poles, uh, the general manager of the
Chicago Bears. He was on the Pat mcabee Show starring
AJ Hawk and he was asked whether or not the
Bears actually ever really considered moving off the number one
pick in the draft. Here is his response.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
I don't think I ever allowed it to get crazy because,
you know, we were gathering information on que and I knew,
you know, again from the tape it was a rare
prospect that had a lot of talent that could help
us turn this thing around. So it's going to take
a lot.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
So by the time we got to the point where
we felt comfortable, I wasn't either going to take those
calls anymore even you know, listen to what it was
going to be, because I knew this was the right
move for us.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Kept a movement.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
So Ryan Poles on the Pat mcavay show starring AJ
Hawk talking about potentially moving off the pick, and look,
I said at the time. Once Carolina determined that they
were going to be the diaper fire of the league.
It was over New Year's Eve when they clinched the
worst record in the league and the Bears had that
number one pick. Like all the discussion about well should
(36:32):
they keep justin fields and trade the pick, it was
never going to happen. I never thought Ryan Poles with
another chance to draft his quarterback number one overall, because
he had the opportunity last year as well too. I
don't think he was going to let that opportunity pass.
And the fact that it was Kayleb Williams, who's the
quote unquote generational talent, this felt like it was always
going to be a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
How do you think it's going to play out? How
do you think polls, how you think he did. Do
you think that that's just the see? To me, I
feel like it's the easy no brainer that you can
get out of the way of, yes, you know, if
it goes wrong, it wasn't you that made it go wrong.
It's the player that made it go wrong because we
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we did what everybody else did, which was take the
information and thought that you were a generational player.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And here's the other part that doesn't get brought up
a lot that I'm always curious to see whether or
not we're going to look back on this, because who's
who's the Who's the best rookie quarterback from a year ago?
CJ Stroud, Right, Yep, it ain't just Carolina Young went
number one. Yeah, it ain't just Carolina that passed up
(37:44):
on CJ. Stroud. The Bears passed up on him too.
Ryan Poles passed up on him too.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
And so which is interesting, right, because you could have
had c J. Stroud even though you have justin Field,
and that that you did the same exact thing a
year later, and so that you think Caleb Williams will
have a better rookie season than c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, I think and I think you know a lot
of people would look at that and go, well, you know,
it's just you're comparing Bryce Young to CJ. Stroud, You're
comparing Carolina to c J. Stroud. And to your point,
I don't look at it like that. If we want
to play the comp game, it's going to be really
hard to surpass what CJ. Stroud did last year. He
completely changed the fortunes of a franchise. I mean they
(38:26):
went from massage Watson not wanting anything to do with them,
and then you know, burning turning and burning on head
coaches too. They were bummed that they didn't end up
with the number one pick because of Lovey Smith and
Davis Mills and what happened in that game against the Colts,
and then c J. Stroud sort of quote unquote fell
in their lap at number two and he ended up
(38:48):
putting together maybe one of the best rookie quarterback campaigns
that we've ever seen in the NFL. But it isn't
just Carolina that passed up on him, dude. Ryan Poles
passed up on that too, Like he had an opportunity
sitting there at one to where if he had evaluated
c J. Stroud differently, then maybe he would have chosen him,
but he didn't. He passed him up. So I think
(39:11):
everything as far as Ryan pulls, his time in Chicago
is going to be tied to Caleb Williams, right or wrong.
And you said it earlier in the show, like, man,
you can't get injured. You can't like there's a lot
of things you can't let happen that are outside of
your control, and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Crazy to say it, right. Yeah, it's with a lot
of things outside of your control that you have to
try to control, and the number one is getting injured.
You gotta control getting injured. Can't do it the moment
you start getting injured. That's like you're on the clock.
You're on the clock. You are on the clock, especially
if you get injured more than once, especially if it's
(39:49):
a serious injury. You're on the clock. You could think
that you're not if you want to, you could have
a different take on it. If you want to. You're
on the clock. You have now become a liability injuries
that those are liabilities. Like imagine, like you want me
to put in a proper perspective, imagine in other jobs
(40:12):
you get injured and you get injured to the degree
where and we said this earlier in the show where
you miss work, What are you to that company? A liability?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah? And replaceable And I just I look at it
and I go whatever, Ryan Polls his tenure in Chicago
is summed up as or summarized as is all reliant
on how Caleb Williams does because you had you know, look,
Justin Fields had a level of success. I wasn't surprised.
(40:42):
I never thought they were going to move forward with
Justin Fields. I just looked at it in totality and
also in a reality based point of view of in
the NFL, you want to draft your guy. He wasn't
Ryan Poles, this guy. He wanted to be able to
draft this guy. But his guy could have been CJ. Stroud,
who ended up being the Rookie of the Year last
year and completely changed the course of a franchise.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And I think the cautionary tale of what you're talking
about right now, Jonas, is that there was actually a
debate as to who should go number one in that draft,
Oh yes, and that debate being settled by Bryce Young
being taken. And you don't hear any type of buzz
(41:27):
surrounding Bryce Young. No, you don't hear any type of
You don't see Bryce Young walking out with Amber Rose.
You don't see it, Like you're not seeing what you're seeing,
which CJ. Stroud is arguably already in the conversation of
being a face of the National Football League to date,
(41:50):
And y'all didn't take him number one. Y'all didn't take
him number one. So the cautionary tale. What's the cautionary
tale here? There's the chances that Jalen, Jaydon Daniels, bo Knicks,
JJ McCarthy. There's the chance that you see one of
(42:11):
these guys emerge as being like a guy like, damn
he failed? He was what number quarterback taking in that draft?
Oh that's the same draft? Who was that? Who was
that that one? Number one? He was a net? Who
was it? Like? That's that's the potential that exists here.
(42:32):
That happened in one season for Bryce Young one season
because of how well c J. Stroud did and how
he put the Texans back on the map of being
a competitor. Think about that, man.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, and also I would say this as far as
the Amber Ros conversation goes, yeah, Lee Amber Rose year
nay it on that? Yeah yeah, yeah sure, very talented,
very talented, right, just making sure, no, they didn't quite
know whether or not you signed off on that.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Here's the point. Here's the point. Is the Bears football
team going to be good enough for Caleb Williams to
beat the curve of which he's going to be judged on.
That's the biggest issue. Look, not Caleb Williams, the biggest
(43:30):
issue is always going to be will the franchise be
in position to make it a successful rookie year bid
for that player.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I mean, we don't know where they're going to play
games in the foreseeable future or coming up in a
few years from now, because they still can't figure out
whether or not they want to put parking in the
renderings that they provided the public. And now there's some
pushback on whether or not the stadium's actually going to
get downe there, whatever the case may be, at the
very least, you know the Virginia McCaskey, the owner, not
throwing beard at anybody in a at a game like
(44:02):
David Tepper was so.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
God tug coming stud of c J. Strout, get this
beer and I love on your head.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I love Bryce Young, but I feel for Bryce Young
because he's probably looking around and I wonder if Frank
Reich and him stay in touch, and Frank Reich's like, yeah, listen, man,
I don't have to tell you like I'm just I'm not.
You know, this is uh, this is on you. You
got to figure this out because you've got David Temper
to deal with.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Like how did you do this? You know, David Tepper
be walking around. Come in, you know, he comes in
the meeting rooms like Nino Brown when there was snitch.
You know what I mean that he started jump roping
his his his leash for his dog. Remember he released
a little rot Wilder to walk around the roof. He
gonna stab the GM in the hand.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I never like Torans anyways, Oh man, so bad.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
I want to see j Stroud.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
We're talking about somebody's career, Like, you know what sucks
about it? If it heads down the way that it's
headed down. Bryce Young is going to be looked at
like a lot of those quarterbacks we talked about, and
they're gonna call him a bus and it's probably not
his fault.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And that's that is the same scenario your boy is
facing in Chicago. So let me tell you this. I'm
gonna tell you straight out. If you see Caleb Williams
have an amazing season with the Chicago Bears, he is
more than what you thought he was. His legitness is
(45:36):
too legit to quit mc hammer style. It is way
more than what you could have even thought. Because this
beer stink. Geez, they stink. Decent defense got players, got
a couple of players on defense. Okay, you added some
players on offense. Everybody wants to talking. Oh, they added
players on offense. They stinkh If that man changes the
(46:03):
way the Chicago Bears are looked at and viewed and
they become competitive this year under him as the quarterback,
he is more. He is even more legit than what
you thought he was, even in a make it to
the playoffs but not go very far in the playoffs
type of run. If he takes this team to the
(46:24):
playoffs his rookie year, bow down and get that man
his propit.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
I'll say this, he's got a lot more to work
with than Bryce Young did last year. Because he's got
DJ Moore, He's got Keenan Allen, He's got Roma Dunza,
he's got coul Kamett, he's got Gerald Everett, he's got
DeAndre swift Man.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Look here, that ain't bad. But the reality of it
is is that I don't trust any of that. I
don't trust any of that. Like those names you're thrown out.
Like some of it it sounds pretty good. Some of
it is questionable. Health can concerns, rookie concerns. There's just there.
Questionable deals, questionable deals, I and DeAndre, Like this is
(47:08):
Deandre's what third team in three years?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, so he's in demand. What are you trying to.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Say, Please, let's be clear here, Like and I like
DeAndre Swift, but let's be clear, third team in three years?
Freaking Keenan Allen can't stay healthy? DJ Moore. They didn't
even want him in the place that Bryce Young went to, Like, like,
let's just be clear here, Like, let's not act like
Caleb Williams is like a Doone'sday, Like he's not gonna
(47:35):
get judged because he's a he's a draft pick and
he has great potential to be a great pro. But
but he's a rookie. He's a rookie, so it ain't like,
don't act like Caleb Williams is walking into this pristine
now your boy JJ McCarthy is walking into a dope situation.
(47:56):
Your boy Caleb Williams, he's still walking into a dumpster fire.
Can he does he got enough gas, enough enough extinguisher
fluid to put it out? That's the bigger question. That's
the bigger question.
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