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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hope you're Saturday is off to a fantastic start. We've
got NBA on the brain. Also, NFL the schedule being
released on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
I read something utterly ridiculous about quarterback rankings today. We'll
share that with you today. But let's hone it on
the NBA if we will, if we shall, hear gents
with the Nuggets punching back big time in Game three.
They lost Game two Denver did by what twenty six points?

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They won Game three last night by twenty seven points.
So beat down City the last couple of games. And
then also the Indiana Pacers, as Isaac Lohencron said, huge,
huge deep shot thirty one footer with the score tied
with about sixteen seconds to go.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Andrew nembhard. So you had Denver punching back.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
They get the first game of the series, they're still
down to one and need the Indiana punches back. They
get a game in game three, they're still down to one.
What are your thoughts on what's going on here? NBA
wise fella, it's good morning to you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Good morning, good morning. Yeah, I mean, first and foremost,
that felt inevitable. You didn't expect the Timberwolves just to
walk through the Nuggets. This is last year's NBA champions.
But I didn't expect Minnesota to get blown out in
this series, just because of how good their defense looked

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against Denver over the past two games. So this was
an offensive explosion, but also they finally were able to
suppress Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
That was the most important part.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
It wasn't really what Denver did offensively. It's the adjustments
they made defensively to neutralize Minnesota, and that helped and
obviously it spurred them along to this victory. I don't
know what the tail of this series is going to
be advantage Minnesota still obviously up two games to one

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momentum out the gates, but we've got a great series
on our hands, and that's what you hope for, is
to at least have it be hard, right. You don't
want you don't want a juggernaut to just romp through
the field. You want to see them be tested along
the way. And so if if you were impressed by
Denver in their opening series against the Lakers, if you

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were impressed by Denver last year as they made their
way and really kind of made waste to the place
on their way to the finals.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, this is what you want.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You want to you want to see it be hard
for him, and so far in this second series, it's
been hard for him.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I'll make this joke once, I won't say it again,
But Andrew broke my knemhart last night.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I mean, I know I had to go there. Take
a lab.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
I'm sorry, take a lab. You can mute me for
the rest of the show if you want. I still
get paid the same no matter what. But no, I
think the Pacers game. First of all, this niche team
just everything's a battle. Like every game they play. You
could literally throw five guys from the concession stand out there,
and I think tips would get them to battle against

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the Spacers team. I mean that's just they're just so
tough and so gritty. I've never seen anything like the
rest is. Like, let's be honest, guys, a lot of
these playoff games have been stone cold blowouts on one side.
Not the Knicks games. Every single Knicks game is a
freaking war. And I think I think they'll win this series.
I think they'll they'll move on. I don't know if

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they're healthy enough to beat the Celtics in a seven gamer.
But I'll tell you what, if they were healthy, man, Boston.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Will get to them in a minute.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
But the Nuggets, Yeah, Like, all I heard the last
two days was oh man, it's over.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's done.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
And I think people underestimate how long the NBA postseason is.
Oh yeah, I think the biggest like misconception when we're
watching it, and me too, sometimes I've that's all victim
of this because I don't watch the NBA during the
regular season as much as you do, Brian.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
But you watch one of.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Those games and the way that it did, especially for
Denver in Game two, and you're just like, how can
they recover from this?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
But it's one game.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
It's only twenty five percent of the allotted wins needed
to win the series. And I think they understand it
more than we do because we're watching it, We're like, oh,
Denver's done. They can't win this series. They're the champs
for a reason. So I'm not saying it's gonna be
a long series. I do think Minnesota is better. I
do think they will win the series, but yeah, I
don't want to say inevitable, But Denver was gonna win

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a game in this series. Like I just I didn't
think it was gonna be as decisive as it was
last night. But Denver is too talented not to just
roll over and play dead as the defending champs, like
they were gonna push back.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Now, the question that.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
We need to try to answer on this show and
you know future shows, is can Minnesota get over the hump?
Because they have looked the best team in this postseason, right,
but can they finish?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
That's the question I have being such a young team.
You know, we love Charles Barkley.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Charles Barkley is the best, but every now and then
he gets a prediction wrong. Right, And this was after
the Game two beat down. Minnesota crushed Denver. This is
what Charles Barkley had to say on TNT. Check this out.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
The Minnesota timber Walls offer real. They gotta sweep the
Deva Nuggets period. Yeah that's e.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Don't sweep there as Denver one last night by twenty
seven points, and like Jared said, you had to feel
like they were gonna punch back to some degree. Listen,
I'll be honest with you. Heading into Game three, I'm like,
I don't know, Minnesota's looks so good. It's gonna be
tough for Denver. And then the game starts and you're like, okay,
all right, forget all of that, and two things stand

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out to me. One is let sleeping dogs lie right, Like,
if you look back and it didn't strike me in
the moment, I'll be honest with you guys, But looking
back after game three, if you rene to game two
and you had Denver crawling with Wolves fans who are
chanting Wolves in four in Denver, it is a little

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taste of that here.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Check this out.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Here you go, you're chanting that in Denver. And on
top of it, in game three at home, you're booing
every time Jamal Murray touches the ball.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
We get it.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
He threw a towel on the court in game two.
He threw a heating pack on the court in game two.
So he's public enemy number one, that sort of thing.
So every time he touches the ball, boo boo. And
what did Jamal Murray say after Game three when he
dropped twenty four points. He was fueled by the booze.
It's extra motivation. Michael Blone talked about it after last

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night's win. He was like, I'm once listening to the
talking heads and they're like, it's done, Soiver, it's a rap.
Minnesota's better. And He's like, if that doesn't fire you
up as a competitive or nothing will. So it's all
of that in this big gumbo slash stew of extra
motivation for Denver. And I just look at Minnesota and

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I'm like.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
What are you fans doing.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
You guys have done nothing in that whole area since.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
The nineties, and you're gonna be talking trash about the
defending champs because you win two games. What are you
doing right now?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
There was also a little bit of progression and regression
to the mean for both Denver progressing to the mean
in terms of Jamal Murray had.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
A real tough start to this series. You know, he was.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Pretty cold during the Lakers series, but it really showcased
during this Minnesota series the first two games, and so
he had a historic nine twenty four points, fourteen rebounds.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Nine a siss. It was.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
It was one of those It was just one of
those games where, like you said, I think he was
fueled by some of the negativity, but also Anthony Edwards
was held in check, and it was less about you know,
I was talking about Denver's defense, and I was thinking
about it while you guys were reacting to the game
as well, and I think it actually was less about

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the defense and more about the pace of the game.
It felt like Anthony Edwards had less opportunities with the
ball in his hands.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
End it's because he did.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
When you're more efficient offensively in the NBA, it gives
less opportunities and less touches for your opponent. You know,
there were less turnovers as a result of Jamal Murray
scoring the basketball better. There were less moments for Anthony Edwards.
And look, there was regression to the mean for Anthony Edwards.

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He scored seventy points between the first two games. You know,
he's not a thirty five point per game guy. Now,
he could score against any defender, against any defense anytime
he wants. But you know, his stat line was closer
to his averages last night, which that's that's a part
of basketball is you could you could get hot for

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a while, but then you are going to regress back
to where you usually are, closer to where you usually are,
and Joe Jamal Murray you could be cold for a
little while. You could you'd be ice cold for a
little bit, but you will progress back to the mean.
And I think that's what we saw last night with
both of these teams, with with some of their star players.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
And we've seen this happen before in high profile series.
Remember the finals between the Suns and the Bucks. Suns
up two, Oh yeah, Bucks went four straight. I mean
that was it. Bucks were done right down to oh
it's over and they went four straight. So I think
there's a there's an element of championship persona here that

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you saw first and foremost last night. Like I I
think to the championship pedigree that Denver has, Minnesota doesn't have,
and they look like the best team, but there's a
different animal to that last clincher. And I know we're
not to the clinching game yet, but let's be honest.
If Minnesota won last night, I think you know the

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series pretty much is a done deal.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And now it's very much up in the air. Right now.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
The favorite of bet MGM is still t Wolves in six,
which is two to one, but Nuggets in six at
seven to one's looking rather enticing now after what we
saw last night, because if they do win Game four
and all of a sudden, that series goes back to
Denver tied to two. I mean, Nuggets in six feels

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like the likely option there right, Like, when the momentum
flips that much, sometimes it's hard to stop the snowball
from rolling down the hill. So I kind of think
Denver is very, very live to win this series after
last night. And I don't want to overreact to the game,
but I don't want to underreact either. I think we're

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more on level playing field with this series now than
you know. Oh wow, Minnesota still has the home court edge,
do they really? Because Denver has proven that they can
drop a big number on the road at any moment,
So they're not afraid even if even let's say they
lose Game four, go back home and win Game five.
Are they really that oh shaking in their boots? Game six,

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we already beat in by twenty plus in your building.
We can win a game six to or die in
your building.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
We have no issue.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
So at least at least Denver guaranteed another home game
and a chance to really extend the series. And I
don't think whoever, I don't think Game four is that
essential for Denver. Obviously they want to win, but I
think they can still win this series even if they
lose Game four.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Man, I'll tell you what I love the psychology of
fans where think about it. On one end of the spectrum,
you have the superstitious fans where it's like I gotta
wear my lucky T shirt for my team to win,
you know, and then on the other end it's wolves
and four, wolves and four, and it's like those two

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things fly directly into each other, right, like you're super
careful and all, hey, go back to the other room.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
They went on a five nothing run. Good luck, you
change my socks. Socks immediately.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Which kind of fan are you, Brian, when you're watching
the Dolphins or Notre Dame on an important game.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Day, I'm really I'm really neither.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Because listen, if I rooted for a fan, if I
rooted for a team that had done nothing for a
long time, well Notre Dame, Falins, Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
For the Dolphins, Like, uh, I got you. It's a
Jets fan. I trust me, I understand.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, right, Like I don't know what the best football
is a little bit different because it's not a series
you know it's a series. But if i'm uh, I'm
a win speaking of Minnesota, well sure, but I'll put
it this way. If I'm a die hard Minnesota Timberwolves fan, yeah,
and my franchise hasn't accomplished. Jack, I'm not channing Wolves

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in four because we go.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Up to and short for fanatics.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm just not doing it. It's not smart. It's that
good behavior over there. It's like, why poke the Bears
whirl right, You're poking yo kids, You're poking jabal Murry,
You're poking everybody on the Denver nuggts.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's smart. And he looked amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
He like Yo Kitch, looked like he was in control
of that game.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Like Hunter, he had triple double and didn't even realize
that he has trible doubles.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
You know, he want to short, Sorry, he's want to
say short.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
It's like watching air traff control, like from the high post.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Like it's like he has eyes.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Behind his head. He's just guiding flights around this giant
tower in the you know, at the top of the paint.
I love watching him play when his passing. I mean,
he's great score of the basketball. But let's all be honest.
With each other. He looks awkward as hell scoring the basketball.
You know, he's like he's the new big fundamental and
he drives me crazy. But he looks so slick when

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he's passing, and and there are times where he sets
guys up better for shots than just about anybody in
this league right now.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
And so it's like watching a great quarterback.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Like it's the no look stuff, it's the wide open
shot where you're like, how on earth did the defense
allow the corner three to be that wide open again?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Or how did you know he find that cutter?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
You know, that person's invisible to him the way he's standing,
but he just has that ability to find you. He
knows where everyone is on the court at all times.
So yo kich, I mean as much as Jamal Murray
heated up and he did, and as much as you
know he can score, and he did. It's that passing
element that makes Denver so dangerous when he's on.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean, it's a rap. It is so hard to
defend that man.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
So Minnesota minus three and a half, and in game
Game four, we think tomorrow, gang, this is I mean,
the line closed basically.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Three and a half.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
In Game three, Yeah, and I'm seeing some two and
a half's out there. I think MGM is a little
bit heavier than most, but I think three is fair
to lay with Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I think Minnesota bounces back and.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Wins game four might and then I think Denver wins
Game five, and then I think game six is is
going to be is going to be the game.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'll tell you what, man, these last two games, it
makes game for a tough call.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
He does. That's what.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, because Anthony Edwards he's going to be better. I
can't imagine it's going to struggle. Go Bear has to
be better. He didn't even show up. But first game
after the birth of his son.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
He's got Draymond Green ripping them and Gilbert Arena's ripping them.
His game, do we complete no show? Six points four
boards complete, no show for tired?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
He did? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
He looked like he just got his son was born
and he hadn't slept in three days.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yep.

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Hey coming up next man? This team sure is whiny?
Does that mean anything going forward? We'll dive into that.
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So the Indiana Pacers they won Game three. It was dramatic,
as Jared Smith was talking about these Knicks games are
a freaking war, and it was tied up with just
under twenty seconds to go, shot clock running out for
the Pacers, and Andrew Nembhard just bombs away from thirty

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one feet and nails it. If he misses that, the
Knicks can hold for a final shot near the buzzer.
Worst case, we're going to overtime. So absolutely huge shot
by Nemhard and the Pacers win. Here's my question though,
because after the first two games, the Pacers submitted seventy

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eight in their opinion in wrecked calls or non calls
to the NBA. So they send them this video, this
extensive video package, a mashup if you will, of that
was a foul, you didn't call it. That was another file,
you didn't call that. This wasn't a foul, and you
called it blow all that type of stuff, seventy eight instances. Really,

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and I look at this and I'm thinking that's overly whiny,
you know what I mean. That's like Houston Rockets with
James Harden as an organization level whiny right there. And
it just makes me wonder if that's your mindset where
it's we're not getting the benefit of the doubt, We're
getting screwed over here.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I don't like your chances going forward. That's not the.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Only reason, but the mentalities are completely different. Jalen Brunson,
when the Knicks were down by three toward the end
of Game three, he thought he got fouled, and he did.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
He got nicked on the forearm. No call.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
He didn't spend the postgame press conference like it was
a fall. We got ripped off. We're gonna have to
send highlights to the league office. He was like, it
was a stupid decision. It was just a poor decision
on my part. He owned it, And meanwhile, the Pacers
are like, I don't like that. I don't like their

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chances going forward if you're so caught up in what
the officials are or aren't doing.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
I love this take, and I was talking about it
this week on my show.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I completely agree with you.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
And so my feeling on this is, is this really
the right way to motivate your team. However, I do
understand the psychology if you are getting beaten badly by
an opponent, and that's really what it felt like in
the first two games against the Knicks, Jalen Brunson doing
just about anything he wanted against By the way, the

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hero of the night in Emhart, he was like the
primary defender on Brunt in the first two games. They
made a change for game three, but he was just
getting roasted out there. Jayleen Brunson was looking like he
could do whatever he wanted. But but yeah, like you
kind of have to find a way to stem the
tide sometimes if you feel like you're losing inertia. And

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I think that's what Rick Carlisle was doing. And so
instead of attacking his players and saying, you guys need
to defend better, you guys need to do this better.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
He attacked the officials.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
And I'm sure the message that he sent to his
team was, you guys, just keep doing what you're doing.
We're gonna make minor adjustments. And then you do the coaching,
You do the hard work. You tell the guys what
they need to improve upon, but you make sure they
know that they're good enough to hang with this Knicks team.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
And it's up to him and his staff.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
To find a way to coax these these officials, these
referees into calling a fairer game for your squad.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
And so I think that was the psychology here. I
don't like it.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I don't like it when a team or a coach
or a player is overt complaining.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I think it's a bad look for a franchise.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
It sounds whiny, it sounds desperate, and that's exactly what
this came off of. If you have four hundred possessions
over the first two games, right, which I'm assuming landed
somewhere around there, you're saying that twenty five percent of
total percentages were miscalled by the referees.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Take take a long walk off a short pier, buddy.
That is dumb. Yeah, I mean, I just think I
haven't heard that reference. That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
I like it landed well, way better than broke my Meemhart,
which again, watching that game, I know, going in it's
almost like going into a Knicks game. And as you
guys know, for those of you who don't know, if
you haven't been listening to show for let's like, I'm
from New York, I'm Knicks fan of this team in
the nineties was like my was like my, my, my
Roman Empire as they say today, And now they're back

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in this spot and I I don't know how to
feel about what the Pacers did. I'm okay with a
coach trying to get an edge anyway possible. We see
it with the refs the coaches are overly complaining with
the refs every single game because they know if they're
in their ear the whole game, eventually they will get

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a call and they hope that it's in the big
moment that really tilts the game.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Let's be honest, the whistle does matter in these NBA games.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
It does matter, and I'm okay with a team doing
everything in their power to try to get.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
The best whistle possible. This was probably a little bit
over the.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Top, but as long as it is in the construct
of the rules, I don't think Rick Carlisle is wasting
his valuable time doing this. I think they have a
staffer that does this and Rick just kind of sends
it off. But yeah, it was absolutely over the top.
But I'm not going to go out a limb and
say that it's the reason why the Pacers are going
to lose this series because they're so whiny. Like the

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reason why the dick might lose this series is because
they can't keep anyone on the floor, and that might
be the deciding factor. I don't think the officiating is
going to be the deciding factor here, but yeah, it
was probably over the top.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, I just hate the tone. That's being sure, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
And I think back to think of a guy like
Phil Jackson from back in the day and how he
would We'd always say this, he's sending messages through the media,
you know, and he would do that. He was masterful
at that. But he wouldn't carry on and just wine
and whine and wine some more. He would say it
and that would be it, and then the focus was

(23:38):
on what they needed to do, not what the officials
needed to do. So to me with Rick Carlyle saying, oh,
after Game one, we had a highlight tape together and
we thought about sending it to the league office, but
we thought the whistle would.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Balance out in Game two.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
That's not the case, so therefore we're sending this extensive
video package. Paraphrasing, but that's basically what he's saying. You're
setting a tone. And when you look at Game three,
even though the Pacers won that game, just.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Watch how whiny they are. You know.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I get that Jalen Brunson is more than a handful
to defend, but every single time it's sometimes Siakam he
was saying, no, no follow, I didn't touch him.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
It's like, bro, you clabored him, what are you talking
about right now?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's just it's an ongoing thing where the Pacers are
so concerned and so caught up and are we getting
the benefit of the doubt with the whistle going our way?
And even in Game three, a game that they won,
they seem to be too distracted and too hung up
on that. I get that every team complaints. I do,

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But when it's coupled with Rick Carlisle detailing, Hey, we're
sending this video package.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
It's seventy eight plays.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
In the first two games, and you watch how Game
three goes, I really do think the Pacers, who are
the lesser team, even with the Knicks being banged up,
I just don't think their mindset is right. I don't
like them to pull off an upset in this series
at all.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, I agree with you, and let's be very honest
with each other. Nemhard hasn't had a good series. That
shot was not a good shot.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
No howl.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Burton got himself trapped out at the logo and in
desperation passed it off to a guy who struggled through
the first two games of this series, and he took
a step back three from beyond thirty foot. That's not
his game, that's not his shot. And he said it
himself after the game. He said, look, yeah, that's not
like one I practice a lot. That was more of

(25:38):
a once in a lifetime, like I forget things that quote,
but it was like it really was. It was a
one off, and yeah, it bought them some breathing room
and it got them the win in game three. But
that's not that's not a good plan, you know what
I mean, just hoping somebody gets lucky or hot in

(26:00):
the waning moments of a close game. I mean, how
many of these games are going to be close? And
also how lucky are you going to get in those moments?
You know, Halliburton's been sensational and he was good in
this game too, But it's it's just not the plan.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Can't feature one.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Great scorer and then a lot of complaining to the referees.
You need to figure something out if you're going to
make this a series. Otherwise this could end up being
a four to one Nicks move on kind of series
and they win the next two straight. Because I again, referees,

(26:38):
they'll listen, especially in playoff series, they will listen. They'll
humor a team who feels like they've been maybe given
the raw deal, and so you may see a fairer
called game the next game out after a little complaining
at the postgame podium.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
That happens, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
So that is a tactic, and like I said, it
comes off whiny and complaining. It is a tactic and
it has worked in the past. But overall, referees swallow
the whistle in the postseason, and thank goodness they do,
because this series is actually a fun series to watch
because of how physical it's been. I appreciate that in

(27:15):
postseason basketball. It's a little bit of a throwback aspect
to it. Yeah, and so bodies crashed into the ball,
physicality and the paint, like that's what people are thirsty
for in the regular season that we don't get to
see because the NBA knows that they have such a
long postseason. They need to keep guys healthy if they're
going to have an interesting postseason.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And so here we are, and this is a good
series because of it.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
So I don't think the referees are going to want
to blow the whistle all that much more, but maybe
it helped them out the Pacers.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I mean a little bit in game three.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
This is the only series that's been decided by single
digits all three games.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, this is it.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Guys, don't expect these series to be nip and tuck games.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
They're not.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
And the Knicks have this ability to just play close
games like it's as we talked about, like it's just
every game is a battle, and whereas I think the
other series there's this element of I don't want to say,
like more you know, smooth basketball. But the team that
wins is just so much further ahead of the team
that loses on that given night. Most of these games

(28:20):
get out of hand because they just kind of give
up at the end. But the Knicks don't know what
that word means. So they are in a unique position
in this series. They're the better team that is hamstrung
significantly by injuries, and that levels the playing field for Indiana.
But let's be honest, a fully healthy Knicks team with

(28:42):
Anenobi and Brunson one hundred percent and Mitchell Robinson in
the lineup, this series is not close. The Knicks are
clearly the better team. They have the best I think
they have the MVP of the postseason. I know we
don't crown the n MVP of the postseason. But if
we did, Jalen Brunson is it and if he is
one hundred percent or at least as close to one
hundred percent as he's going to be to play, Yeah,

(29:04):
the Knicks are gonna win the series because I think
he's gonna whel them to the series. I think the
next round is where things get tricky. So you know,
Pacers laying six in Game four tomorrow, guys, I mean
you want to la six with this Pacers.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Team, I don't.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I think you take the Knicks tomorrow, and then you
take the Knicks again in Game five, and then you
keep betting the Knicks until they win the series. And
I think this is this is one of those moments
for the Knicks where you're gonna really find out, you know,
the national stage is just set for them, and Jalen
Brunson has absolutely delivered. So I think that's the that's
the vibe I get. I don't know if it's the

(29:40):
Rafts or if it's Halliburton or whatever, but I do
think the Knicks have a psychological edge in this series.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, I will tell you I'll lay six all day
when it comes to betting on Isaik loakron okay, like
twenty yeah, A six is a layup right there. That's
easy money. I low hear what this this morning with
the latest, you.

Speaker 7 (29:59):
Can bet on a lot of excitement from last night
across sports. We're going to relive it right now, starting
that for a dollar damn right with Game three of
the Western Conference semi Finals, Denver Winnegain Minnesota one seventeen
to ninety two, will still lead the series two games
to one. Jamal Murray goes from heat back to heat check.
He scored twenty four points. Nikola Jokic added twenty four

(30:22):
also at fourteen rebounds and nine assists. In Game three
of the Eastern Conference semi Finals, the Pacers and Nicks
tied at one oh six of a final thirty seconds.
Here is Mark Boyle on WFNI.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
Aliberton double teams out near the timeline three to shoot,
two to shoot thirty five foot travelers.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
For two man.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
Just to clarify, Nemhard's jersey number is number two. That
was not a reference to something else, just just to
clarify felt that's how number two, certainly how nick Man's felt.
Because the Pacers wanted one eleven to one oh six,

(31:11):
knickstill lead the series two games to one. In Game
two of the Stanley Cup Playoffs Western Conference semi Finals
Friday night, the Edmonton Orders won at Vancouver in overtime
four to three to tie the series at one. Here's
how the winner sounded on c hed down the right
half worts boo shark stepped in and then shut.

Speaker 9 (31:31):
It Tip Tom given boo shard Let fly in Tin
has taken Game two in.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Over time. And in case you missed it, that occurred
in oo over time.

Speaker 7 (31:53):
And that's what's Trent? Oh, hold on, fellows? Oh, what's
a text from Rich?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, did you get.

Speaker 7 (32:03):
I just heard the beep? All right, Isaac? Aren't you
forgetting the Padres game fist emoji?

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah? I think new acquisition right there?

Speaker 7 (32:15):
Yeah, I think the Rich yeah fist emoji was unnecessary.
But nevertheless we are hearing to please. Padres and Dodgers
tied at one in the bottom of the ninth inning.
Here's the great don Or solo Why.

Speaker 9 (32:26):
The center fight on the pace hid where it's coming
around Crooks second or comes to throw hero beside. Welcome
to sad Lois arrives, walk up fish pots.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
What and on that note.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Back to you guys, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
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know what it makes me think of his last year.

(33:07):
Louise arrives with the Marlins. He was flirting with a
four hundred batting average earlier in the season, and he
slowed down as almost everybody does. But when he was
really focused on there were some people that are like,
he's not entertaining.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
He's a singles and doubles guy.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Not that exciting, right, I'll tell you what, Well, it's
a good formula for excitement.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Put him on a better team. Put him on a
better team.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
That was not a walk off home run, right Rich,
That was just a that was a base hit that
won a game, and the crowd is going freaking insane.
So get him away from the Marlins, get him on
a better team. All of a sudden, those singles and
doubles a whole lot more exciting.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, they put a pinch runner in scoring position with
real wheels, with a rise at the plate to try
to you know, knock home the winning run and in
the you know that that's what it looks like when
strategy meets opportunity meets talent, and Luis Arise did exactly

(34:15):
what you're hoping a star player would would do in
that situation. You're right, Yeah, players like him, singles and
doubles hitters, they don't get enough. They don't get enough
love in Major League Baseball because everybody knows it's about
launch angle now and you know, the outcome when you're
swinging for the fences are so much better analytically, blah

(34:35):
blah blah blah blah. But you know what, you need
great role players too, and sometimes those great role players
can become, you know, integral parts of the operation in
order to you know, dare I say, to be a
championship team. I don't know if the Padres will get
to that caliber this season or at all, but there's
only one way to do it, and it's by having

(34:56):
guys who can do what Luis Arise did last night,
and by the way that that was an amazing piece
of hitting and it was everything.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Strategically worked out. I got to give credit.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
To the broadcasting crew, Don Arcillo and so Mark Mudcat Grant.
Holy smokes, because Don had that great call and that
was fantastic. But then the restraint to just allow the fans,
the viewing audience at home to bathe in the excitement
and the celebration right in shallow center because Arise legged

(35:31):
out the double.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
You know, that was incredible.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
And then it was about thirty seconds pause before Mark
Grant gave analysis on the piece of hitting and the
pitch running. You saw it was brilliantly done. Their two
of the best doing it in baseball. They really do
know how to call an exciting play, and that was
the most exciting play of the Padre season.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
The biggest mistake that young broadcasters make is not using
the silence or I guess the crowd noise as another
brutes like the broad like the crowd is your third
Like if you have two guys in the booth, to
a girl and a guy, whatever is the booth, the
broadcaster or the crowd is the third person in the
Booth and the young play by play guys. I always

(36:13):
think they have to fill that time. The crowd can
fill it for you.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I like that. It's a It's true.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I didn't think Tony Romo did the opposite with the
word at it when to take a lesson from everyone
else got the winning touchdown, right, I didn't think.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I didn't have a problem with it. I'm with you, guys.
I get it.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
The Vin Scully thing, let it breathe, I get all
of that. But I just didn't have a problem. People
came raining down on Romo. But in any event, we
moved along. We've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State, All American.
Jared Smith is with us FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No.
Coming up next. Jared Smith has been in the lab
cooking up a parlay platter. He will unveil it next.

(36:54):
It's Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Listening Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
We don't have any time to waste. Let's do this.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Check this out our late ladder.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Okay, Jared Smith, he's been hard at work, smoke billowing
out of the lab, cooking up a parlay ladder.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
What do you have for us, Jered, Yeah, let's have
some fun today. Let's let's mess around with reverse correlation. Oh,
big word, what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (37:25):
What it means is we're gonna go over and under
on a prop on the same player, different props, obviously.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Because that would be stupid if we went over and
under the same prop. That's not gonna hit Jared. Yeah,
that's that's that's a lot. That's a loss before we
even get to the game.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
But we're gonna focus on my guy, Jason Tatum tonight
because I I do think it's a big bounce back
spot for Boston. Right it's game three, they're on the road,
they're still favored by a significant margin. And usually when
a team's favored by double digits and they lose outright
and then they're still favored by more than seven in
the next game, it bodes well for that team to
bounce back. So I think it's a big bounce back game.

(38:00):
Jayson Tatum, So we're gonna go over twenty seven and
a half points. I think that's pretty self explanatory. We
think Jason Dating probably should have gotten there in Game two.
He didn't play the last four minutes he finished with
twenty five points.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
So there's the first leg of the parlay.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
But now we're gonna go Tatum under five and a
half assists for the second leg. Now this is heavily juice.
This is minus one fifty and the first leg the
points prop is minus one fifteen. Well, if you throw
those two things together in a normal parlay, it should
be about two to one odds. But because of the
reverse correlation again going over one prop on a player

(38:35):
and then under on another prop on the same player,
we're getting about twenty five cents bonus juice here. It's
plus two twenty five over at bet MGM for this prop.
And the reason I'm going under on assists. So he
had six assists in game two, or excuse me, five
assists on six potentials. That is a highly efficient assist margin.
Usually you're about fifty percent right you make the assist.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
It's a potential assist. God the shot.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
It's very rare that you have six potential assists and
five of the six turn into actual assists. So I
think slightly less efficient passing game. We're seeing the Cavs
play a lot of isle ball on Tatum and Brown.
They're trying to eliminate those catch and shoot threes. We
saw that work very effectively in game two, So I
think under assists makes sense for Tatum tonight and over

(39:22):
points and again plus two twenty five.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Not the richest.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Parlay over at bet MGM, but the reverse correlation gives
us a little extra bonus and makes this slightly valuable
to me.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
That's fun. That's a fun one. So the ciscount was
four and a halven and a half.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Oh, we're going over twenty seven and a half points,
under five and a half assists on Jason Tatum tonight.
You put that into your little parlay platter there at
bet MGM plus two twenty five.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I like it, I do. I like it. Also, the
parlays they can be you know.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I mean, obviously you can have as many legs as
you want or I'm sure they're tapped at a certain.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Point, but they it could be all over the place.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
This is kind of fun to have the focus the
spotlight on a singular player in a single game.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
That's uh, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, the reverse correlation, I feel like I understand it
now for the first time.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Excellent.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, I like to thinking the thinking makes sense to me,
more aggressive, you know, looking to score Jason Tatum, who
hasn't gotten off in this series yet.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
It makes sense to me. So we've gone off for
thirty tonight. Guys.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, you got the little plus little ladder maybe.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
A little ladder act. We love a good lad in mind,
all right?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Coming up next, the aftermath of a smash hit.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
We will get to that. Coming up. I'll welcome in here.
Happy Saturday to you.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
It was a smash hit that would be the roast
of Tom Brady earlier this week where it's funny man,
My girlfriend and I we traveled from It was somewhere
in Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
We weren't even to Nashville. We weren't even to Tennessee yet.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
We traveled from Kentucky all the way down to New Orleans, right, which.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Is a healthy little drive.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
We got to the place around I don't know, like
two am something like that, and we started watching the roast.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
We watched the whole freaking thing.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
We went to bed at like five thirty in the
morning something like that. That's how good it was. You
couldn't take your eyes off of it. All these people
talking trash about Tom Brady, and whoever else was part
of the festivities. You know, some of the jokes about
Gronk and bled so, oh my gosh, it was just
top shelf stuff. But some of the aftermath was that

(41:37):
Julian Edelman detailed how awkward it was between Bill Belichick
and who I called the two faced rat, which would
be Robert Kraft right there, who's all smiles in front
of Belichick, all smiles to his face.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Hey, let's toast it the greatest of all time.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And then he's on the phone with Arthur Blink like, yeah,
don't hire this guy.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
He's more than a handful. You don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
But Julian Edelman said how awful it was between Belichick
and Craft, even though it was respectful, very awkward, And
I could understand why based on the history this offseason, well,
the three of.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Them, you know, Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft, you
have to imagine that you could cut that tension with
a knife. Look, when I was in New England for
the three years that I spent with the three of
those people I just mentioned, it was when everything we
were living in the Land of Milk and Honey. Everything
was perfectly fine. You know, like Randy Moss was coming

(42:34):
off a career year. Tom Brady it was ten years
into his career, had already had three Super Bowls under
his belt. We had a great team, or I should
say we had great teams. Gronk was drafted in two
thousand eleven, wasn't maybe it was twenty ten, whichever year

(42:55):
was he and that really opened the door to a
completely new era for the tight ends, or I should
say for the Patriots passing game, including the tight ends.
Obviously at the time, Aaron Hernandez was on the team
as well, who very quickly was no longer with the team.
But you catch my drift, like things were good but
then things got real bad. And when they got bad,

(43:17):
I don't think they ever really recovered, you know, And
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
They ever really will.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
That was a really special twenty years for the NFL,
for the Patriots, for Patriots fans, but for Bill and
Tom and Craft. There's gonna be a lot of hard
feelings in Craft. He's not a young man. So I
don't think that truly all of the resentment is going
to go away completely.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I don't think all of this.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I don't think there's enough life left in everyone includes
lifetimes for this all to be worked out, and I
certainly don't think it's going to happen in an environment
like that one, because everybody's got their head on their
swivel at a at a roast like everything is fair game.

(44:06):
In fact, so much so that Tom Brady leapt out
of his seat and got in the ear of Jeff Ross,
who told one massage.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Joke about Robert Kraft.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
You know, it was kind of like like, hey, it's
enough of that blank all right, you know. And I
don't think that was scripted. I mean, you heard from
Jeff Ross that, oh no, that was a part of
the plan. You know, it's fine, Everything was good. But
Nikki Glazer, she got on, she got interviewed a couple
different places, and she said, yeah, I don't think anybody
was expecting that that was a little bit off the cuff,

(44:38):
you know.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
So there was a lot of tension in that room,
there's no question.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
But getting back to the first thing you said, it
was compelling from start to finish. I started watching it
live expecting to turn it off at some point. I
left it running the entire time. I watched the entire
live broadcast It was awesome. It was awesome.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
It was the best sports and entertainment crossover since the
last Dance and very different, right, very different sports and
entertainment crossover, but it was the best like full type
of you know, mellow drama, and I was I was
captivated by the drama in the room, and I know
it was very funny.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
It was hilarious.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Nicki Glazer is, Oh my goodness, so so good. All
of the comedians were fantastic. Andrew Schultz also who literally
the night before sold out the Garden, got on a plane,
went to LA and then did that show. He was
interviewed on a podcast afterwards. He also confirmed the story
that there was a specific no Robert Kraft joke, you know,

(45:38):
that was kind of like the vibe, but when they
were going through their walkthroughs was we're not going to
make jokes about the.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Kids or Robert Kraft.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
And that's why I don't think I think Jeff Ross
was playing it cool like that. That was not scripted.
Like that was Tom Brady being the alpha of all alphas.
He was ready to shut down the roads in the
first five minutes like that was it, you know, don't
make anymore Robert Kraft jokes, but this was to me.
I don't want to say the next generation of sports

(46:07):
entertainment crossover type stuff, but.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
We need more of this. We need Lebron to do it.
We need dare we say, Tiger Woods.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
I mean, we need these athletes to put their egos
aside for the night and in the name of entertainment,
allow these comedians to roast them.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
It is.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
And let's be honest people, if you have an issue
in your life, that's kind of like, I don't want
to talk to that person because they wronged me ten
years ago. Like the roast is the best way to
smooth things out.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Just get it all out in the open.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Everyone's talking about all the dirty laundry and then it's
all in the past. And I'm not gonna say that
Robert Craft and Bill Belichick are going to be best friends,
but I think their relationship is much better today than
it was before the roast because they were in the
same room taking a shot together.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
At least that's some progress.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
And again, they're not going to be on each other's
Christmas cards list, probably, but at least that initial awkwardness
of running into your ex at a party at least
that's over now and you could just move on and
go forward, like we're not going to be talking about
the relationship between Craft and Belichick anymore because the incident happened,
we saw them together, and now it's all over.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Well.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
One of my favorite jokes was from Belichick who was
talking about Rob Gronkowski, and of course Belichick his whole
you know slogan mantra is do your job right, just
take care of your responsibility.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
So this is a playoff that. This was hilarious to me.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Ron I've been watching on Fox NFL Sunday and I'm
begging you, please stop.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Doing your job.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
That's just hilarious, Like do somebody else's job. I don't know,
just stop doing your job. The writers did great for
these guys, they really did. They came up with some
eight ones. The one from Drew bledsoe uh oh talking
about Tom Brady and he said, you have more rings
than I do. But I've experienced a couple of things
that you'll never experience. The feeling of being being a

(48:13):
number one overall drafted in the NFL and a twenty
eighth wedding anniversary.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Oh god, jel I've said about universe. Oh, I was like,
come on, Giselle.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, Gizelle was her. Her feathers were ruffled. This is
according to People dot Com. Gizelle was deeply disappointed by
the disrespectful portrayal of her family.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
What do you think you're going to talk about? Yeah,
it's a it's a roast, roast for crying out loud,
you're high profile. I think the word you got divorce
was super model. I think you're gonna leave that out.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Well, and the other thing is, well, here here's the
Tom Brady signed up for the roast.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Jizelle didn't.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
But you do know that she's gonna come up, and
she's a famous person. I I, I really have a
hard time and I've never been that famous, so I
don't know what it feels like when it feels like
maybe the world is at the back of your neck,
or you're nipping at your heels, especially when your kids

(49:10):
or your family or your relationships are involved, or maybe
things are being misrepresented, whether it's funny or not, or
for the sake of humor or not. But but you know,
having said that, qualifying this whole statement I'm gonna make
when you're a famous person and you're capitalizing greatly off
that fame. Like Giselle sells a lot of makeup and

(49:35):
fashion wear and designer clothing because she's famous and she's beautiful,
and she's famous because she's beautiful, and that's a part
of being a supermodel. But also the other part of
being a supermodel or being a famous person is when
you put yourself out there, you are also veiling yourself
to criticism.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
And this isn't the first time.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
She's been criticized for, you know, publicly for her actions
or things she's said or done. I mean, let's face it,
during Tom Brady's career, she stepped in it a couple
of times.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
She had some comments about Wes Welker after the Super
Bowl against the Giants the second time around. Oh yeah, yeah,
she made a comment something to the effect of, well
Tom can't throw the ball and catch it.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Oh yeah, I do remember that, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
And then she had comments about, you know, Tom's concussions
and things like that.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Meanwhile, the one season Tom.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Didn't have any reported concussions, and so people were like,
what concussions are you tugging about?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
So it's a little bit of if you're gonna be
famous and you're gonna speak out, or you're gonna be
in the public eye and you're gonna capitalize off of
being in the public eye.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
You have to take the bad with the good.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
And this is unfortunately something that whether she realizes it
or not, Netflix probably paid Tom Brady a grip of
cat figures.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Right, so eight figure plus.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Well, guess what, some of that money that he made
that night is going to be shared with yours and
his children, you know, So he's rebuilding the war chest.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
He's post career, post NFL.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
You know, he's making money for your family, even though
he availed your family to some criticism.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, I think it's hard for us mere mortals to
put ourselves in these situations, you know, to try to
speak from Tom and Giselle's perspective because we're not that
famous to where people want to roast us.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
But I tried. I tried to put my head in
that mindset.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I think if I was that famous and I was
getting paid that much money, I think I would figure
out a way to dissociate for the night, like I
would figure out a way, just like I do sometimes
when I read bad things on social media about me,
just dissociate from it and like, yeah, it's funny and
a laugh.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
And Tom laughed at some of the stuff, but for
the most.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Part, he was just kind of awkwardly holding his drink
and taking SIPs as the joke came in. He has
this way of training his mind, and I'm sure he
I bet and Rich you could speak to this more
you play with him.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
I bet he trained for this.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
I bet he probably went through all the stuff that
they knew they were going to say, and.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
He absorbed it all.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
So when the jokes came, they didn't hit as hard,
and Giselle probably didn't do that, so the jokes probably
hit a little bit harder. But I bet Tom trained
his mind for this so where he could go somewhere
else for the evening and allow this to happen.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Because, let's be honest, you're paying the eight figures. Yeah,
you can roast me all night long. Baby.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
So I think that's where I'm at with this. I think, yeah,
Giselle's gonna make her money from it, even though she
didn't directly benefit. She will get money through the through
the grapevine, through you know, all the channels that I'm
sure she receives money from Tom. And and that's really
the only way that you can look at like, if
I ever get to that point where you want to
roast me, that's a compliment, Like this is a compliment

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to Tom. And he had the last word, as the
roast always does, and I thought it was excellently.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I thought everything.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
About the night was perfect, and the after math of
Giselle being upset, I thought was kind of soukrapes.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Well, I'll add one other thing here where it's kind
of what you guys are talking about with having the
right mindset or having a mindset that is helpful to you,
where it really made me think about this with a
couple of the guys on stage, Randy Moss drew bledsoe
and I'll play you some sound here.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
So this goes back to the nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Minnesota Vikings, right, think how great of a team they were.
Randy Moss was on that team. They were an offensive
machine and then they lost to the Falcons in the
NFC Championship game, didn't win a Super Bowl. But this
was on NFL Networks America's game and John Randall, who
was a great defensive lineman, he described that ninety eight

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season like this, It's like driving down at.

Speaker 10 (54:00):
And getting every green light for the next ten miles
and you were just cruising along and it just smoothed
and all of a sudden you're getting there. He almost ten.
All of a sudden light turns red and you get
sie light.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Wow, right, Like That's how he described the ninety eight season.
Think about that as it applies to Randy Moss with
the Patriots. There were jokes about, hey, Tom, can you
give me one of your Super Bowl rings? And Belichick
did that like, I'm not giving you one of my rings, Randy.
And think about Randy Moss. He was on a perfect team.
They were sixteen to zero and then they lost to

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the Giants in the Super Bowl. And Randy Moss in
three years with the Patriots didn't win a ring. Did
you never want a ring in his career? And think
about it's all jokes during a roast, but think about
how that feels.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
The Patriots were a machine.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
They won six rings in New England and the Tom
Brady era, Randy Moss didn't get one of them. Think
about how it would feel with Drew bledsoe you get
hurt against the Jets, Brady comes in and takes over
and he wins six rings. You might have won one,
like think about that. Your mind can start thinking along

(55:15):
those lines of what if and man, this sucks that
you start thinking like that. You're just getting in your
own way. And so I don't know. It's all fun
in games during a ROAs, but when you're alone and
you got to get your mind right.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
If you don't, it's gonna be a miserable life.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
And that's something that you will not get when people
are just throwing one liners one after another during a
roast like that.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Well, what I will say, you know, and this is
true for everyone.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
This isn't unique to athletes, but part of the healing
process for anybody is getting to a point where a
sad story or an embarrassing story, or maybe somebody who
you've lost along the way, you can remember the good
or the funny or you can remember the funny about
the bad in order to heal. And so a lot
of people get to that place. A lot of athletes

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have to get to that place otherwise it will eat
at you for the rest.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Of your life.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I'll say this about my career with the Patriots versus
my career outside of the Patriots. When I was with
the Pats, losses hurt a lot more because the expectation
was to win every game. Now, I'm not saying that
I thought we were going to be sixteen and oh
every year, because that wasn't the case. And look, there

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were sixteen games played, you know, seventeen now, But at
the time, I didn't expect to be sixteen and oh
every year, but that that was the expectation. You didn't
feel like you really should lose any game when Tom
Brady's your quarterback. You got Randy Moss out there, you know,
ground comes along. You got this defense that Belichick put
together with Will Fork and Mayo and some of you know,

(56:53):
like we felt unbeatable every game.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
You felt like you had a chance to win. So
the losses or.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Getting bounced from the playoffs in the three years, the
one culminating in the Super Bowl, those hurt more than
any of the other losses or seasons throughout the course
of the rest of my career because I wasn't on
as good of teams as I was then.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
So I agree with what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
It is really difficult when you're with the team and
I didn't win a Super Bowl with the Patriots either,
And trust me, it happens all the time. People ask me, Hey,
when'd you play for him? I'm like two thousand and
nine to twenty twelve. They're like, oh, so you won
a Super Bowl and I'm like, no, I did not. Yeah,
And trust me, to this day, it eats at me.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
But you have to find a way to laugh at it.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
And I think the roast it could have brought up
some old bad feelings, tough feelings for Bledsoe, for Moss,
But I think at the same time, some of that
stuff is.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Therapeutic, like finding a way to laugh at all of it.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
I recommend if you are struggling with something in your life.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
And I've had some things too. My dad died.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
When I was thirty two years old of cancer, Like
you know, that was unexpected. If that's some really difficult
things happen over the course of my life.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
You can't run from it. You have to absorb it.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
I think that's why the roast is, in my opinion,
the best way to deal with any problem in your life.
And I'm not saying you have to get a bunch
of people together to roast you. I'm saying you have
to bring it to the forefront. You have to take
that awkward situation in your life, Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft,
get him in a room, take a shot, water over

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the bridge, under the bridge, wherever it goes.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
And then move on with your life.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
If you bury it deep down and you ignore the
problems forever, it will eat at you in a much
more unhealthy way. I mean, this is like mental health
one on one. You cannot run from your problems people.
I think Drew Bledsoe handled that well. I think Randy
Moss handled it great. The jokes about Edelman and Gronk
were just like goofy like, oh Yeahan's this, you know, man, whatever,

(59:02):
you know going around hooking up with people, and Grompson
idiot like. But the stuff about bled Zoe and Randy Moss,
you're right rich, like that would eat at me too.
But the only way to approach it is to meet
it head on. So kudos to.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
All them for agreeing to do that.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
And I think it was a healthy, therapeutic, hilarious night
of sports entertainment.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
It was.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It was hilarious, man, There's no doubt. That's the voice
of Jared Smith FSR betting analyst Rich Ornberger, Penn State,
All American. I'm Brian No all right, coming up next.
This league is doing something that is causing way more
hardened good, more harm than good for themselves.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
They're doing it to themselves. What are they doing? We'll
light that out for you.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
You know, I don't understand why the NBA does this
to itself. The last two minute report, what's the point.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
I don't get it at all. This happened.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Uh, let's go u specifically with the Pacers Knicks series. Right, So,
Game one, the Knicks pulled it out, very close game.
There was an illegal screen with twelve seconds to go
by Miles Turner. Okay, and he in the postgame press
conference he was like, you know, just let the players
duke it out on the court, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Let the players play.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
And he basically was like, I'm interested to see what
the last two minute report shows.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
And they upheld the call.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
They said, yeah, it was the right call, but they
were like, ah, but there were four other calls that
were missed in the final two minutes, and some of
these are significant calls and it's like, why do we
do that. We're detailing calls that can't be changed, can't
be altered.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
It's just a done deal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
They even remember the Tyrese Maxi four point play when
Philly had the dramatic comeback against the Knicks. That was
like basketball history right there, postseason lore. The last two
minute report came out and they're like, it was actually
traveling on Maxi. That four point play shouldn't have been
a thing at all. It's like why why. That's like

(01:01:07):
a supermodel coming up to you now and being like
I had the biggest crush on you back in the day,
and you're like, that doesn't do me any.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Good now now I'm married with kids. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, I hate the last two minute report. I know
they want to be transparent and make sure everything's on
the up and up. It doesn't accomplish anything but make
the NBA look like they screwed it up and that's
all you're focused on. I think it works way more
against them than for them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, this, to me is what happens when one side
of a power dynamic has too much power. All of
a sudden, little requests that probably don't need to be humored,
get honored, and get consummated, and all of a sudden
you get some weird outcome like this is because the players.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Have a lot of power.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
And when you negotiate with the ownership group and and
you complain about officiating or or it's not even collectively bargain,
it's just a request made of the league, and it's
honored by the league to quell the complaints of the players,
you know, to sort of quiet the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Unruly mobs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
It's silly because, like you said, it accomplishes absolutely nothing.
I think a lot of the problems with the NBA
is the players have too much power, and this is
a smaller example of that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Players have way too much power in the NBA. It's
another story for another day. We probably could do a
whole three hour show just on that. I think, I
don't know, I'm kind of I'm okay with the last
two minute report. I think let's leave it at this.
If you're letting something that happened in the last game
affect your next game, you're doom no matter what. And

(01:02:51):
that's where I think the two minute reports more for
us than it is for the players. If the players
are like living and dying with everything that comes out
on that report.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
You're not focusing on the task at hand.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
So I think it's more for, as you said, Brian,
transparency purposes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
We can't change the past. We haven't figured that out yet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Maybe one day we will be able to learn how
to go back in time and change the past, but
right now I haven't figured that out yet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I'm still a mere mortal.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I'm still here, poor and trying to figure out ways
to win parlays for you guys every day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
But I think I would let's leave it at this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
I would rather see it than not see it and
guess and say, well, maybe that was right, maybe that
was wrong. Like I didn't know about the Maxi thing.
It doesn't change how I feel about that series. The
Knick still won the series, but yeah, it kind of
makes you think twice about some.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Of these moments that we have late in games. I
freaking hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I absolutely despise it, I think, And it's not just
about me, It's about the league. If Adam Silver just had,
like I don't know, a town hall meeting, right and
he's like, hey, ideas for improving the NBA, what do
you got, I'd be like Hill the last two minute
report immediately, it does you no good at all. All

(01:04:06):
it does is tele a fan base. Hey, you your
team officially got screwed and there's nothing we can do
about it, or if you're better, we talk betting on
the show all the time, Jared, how would you feel
if the last leg of your parlay pladder is whatever
the Nicks minus the points and a call doesn't go
the right way and the last two minute report comes

(01:04:28):
out and they're like, yeah, yeah, we screwed that up.
It's official that we screwed it up. And you're like, great, thanks.
That doesn't help me at all. It does way more
harm than good. And the other thing is because it's
about the betting stuff and the Tim donaghy scandal, and
they want to be transparent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
You still could have something, you know, an official with
ulterior motives or something. Even though you have the last
two minute report, it doesn't mean everything's on the up
and up anyway. It doesn't occ plish anything like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Literally nothing, and they keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
It's the dumbest thing for a league and they're doing
it to themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
I think it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
However, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, and again I'm
I'm not supportive of this. I'm just going to spin this.
So if I were gonna spin this from the standpoint
of maybe maybe this wasn't the league's intent when this
came out, but as a result of the two minute report,
this either quells some of the concerns about transparency and

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maybe the officiating crew has to answer for some of
the things and the Tim Donaghey thing and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
All that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Right, Okay, so maybe there's some of that and that's positive,
but maybe now an unintended consequence that has turned into
a real positive for the league is the fact that
when the two minute report comes out, it gives more
for everybody to nash on. Like so from a media
cycle standpoint, it's like you have the game and you

(01:06:00):
have the outcry for this player that player, bad call
or good call or whatever, and then the two minute
report comes out and it's even more to chew on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
So they own the media cycle for longer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
So benefit NBA on the unintended benefit of the last two.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Minute REPORTE I agree with that. I do think there
is a level of we need to stay relevant for
as long as possible and the media cycle is very quick.
They will move on to the next thing right away.
I don't know to answer your question, Brian, obviously i'd
be upset. It happens all the time, Like we get
hose on calls and they cost us bets. But it
goes back to my point to the players, if you're

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focusing and I say this, one of my mentors in
this space, professional gamblhere is incredibly, incredibly prolific at his job,
and he once told me, if you're worried about your
last bet and it's affecting your next bet, you're already
making a bad bet. And like, that's the mindset of
the players. Like if these players are looking at the
game report from the last game and they're like, man,

(01:07:01):
these refs hose us and Brian, it kind of goes
back to what you're saying about the Pacers, Like the
pacers are worried so much about the refs, it's affecting
how they play the games, and that is a problem.
So while it is very helpful to us, as you know,
outsiders looking at the game saying well, that was right,
that was wrong, and maybe the NBA is kind of

(01:07:22):
cutting off their nose despite their face a little bit.
I think I would still rather know than not know.
I am always of the belief that ignorance can be
blissed sometimes, but in the situation of sports and information,
I want to know as much as possible because I
think that will help me actually make a smarter bet

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the next time out. As much as you have to
not let things affect you, the information is paramount, like
that's really all we have is information, Like we don't
know what's going to happen, but we know what happened
and we can try to use that and apply it forward.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
So yeah, it can be.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Very frustrating, and I'm sure these players hate it, but
I still would rather know than not know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I don't think it's good for the league.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
That's my whole thing is if you can convince me
that's good for the league, Fine.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
That's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
That's a fair that, that's a fair argument to me, right,
because I still would rather know, though I still would
rather know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Okay, but let's say the last two minute report comes
out of the Knicks Pacers last game and they say,
you know what, Jalen Brunson, he did get fouled when
he was taking that desperation three and they say it
was on the floor, but he should have gotten two
free throws. Sure they could have cut the deficit to one.
That changes everything? Like, how is that good for the league?

(01:08:38):
Like there's gonna be plenty of controversy. You don't need
a last two minute report. Trust me, there's plenty of
controversy well before the last two minute report in NBA
playoff history. I want the focus to be on the
great playmakers, the crazy things that we've seen. I want
it to be on Andrew Nemhart hitting a thirty one
foot shot to save the Pacers lives in that he

(01:09:02):
actually traveled. Take it away, right, how is it good?
I'm completely against. It's somebody who I'm not completely against
at all. I am in complete support of this man,
Isaac Lowing from.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
He's with this. I low with the latest.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
Much much appreciated as always, as was the performance by
the defending NBA champions in Game three of the Western
Conference semi Finals on Friday night, as Denver one in
Minnesota one seventeen to ninety. Timberwolves still lead the series
two games to one. Jamal Murray scored twenty four, as
did Nikola. Jokichi also had fourteen rebounds and nine assists.

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Denver was fourteen out of twenty nine from three point range.
Earlier Friday night, in Game three of the Eastern Conference
semi Finals, the Pacers and Knicks were tied at one
oh six. In the dying minute. Here is Mark Boyle
on Wfni Alibert.

Speaker 8 (01:09:55):
Double teams out near the timeline three to shoot, two,
to shoot five.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Tweven for two.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
All right, very funny.

Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
And again, just to clarify, number two was in reference
to Andrew Nemhard's jersey number. Nothing else anyway, that was
the game winner. Pacers over the next what eleven to six.
That Dick still leave the series two games to one.
Of the Stanley Cup playoffs on Friday night, the Edmonton
Oilers won at Vancouver in overtime, four to three in

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Game two of the Western Conference semi Finals, tying the
series at one. Evan Bouchard the overtime winner, five minutes
and thirty eight seconds into the extra period. And in
Major League Baseball on Friday night in San Diego, the
Padres and the Dodgers were tied at one in the
bottom of the ninth inning. Here's Don Orcillo.

Speaker 9 (01:10:58):
Where it's coming around Brooks Seconder comes to throw, he
will be side.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Louis rides pots and that is to get out of
here with that. Back to you guys, it's Louise a
Rise number two there. I don't know that would be
funny if he was really would bring everything home if
that were the case.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
It is a Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox
Sports Radio. Hey, we've got the NFL schedule that's going
to be released on Wednesday, So very much looking forward
to that. I love that the NFL is announcing the
schedule will be announced next Wednesday, right like it's an
announced Minds.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Yeah that movie? Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
So you get the Chiefs, who do you want? Okay,
the Chiefs will don't open it up on Thursday night.
We don't know their opponent yet. Who do you want
the most? You could go with the divisional team Broncos, Chargers, Raiders,
and we can do better than that, right. Would you
want the Bengals, the Ravens or the Texans on that

(01:12:13):
Thursday night opener?

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Right? Yeah? Yeah, okay, you want to you want to
see an NFC team? I think well they did that
last year, right yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Home schedule would either be Tampa or the Saints. Yeah,
that's not so you're down to Bengals, Ravens, Texans.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yeah, I think Texans.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
I love the fact that the Texans look everybody looks
like they got better through the draft, but they addressed
a lot of needs and it feels like, based on
what we saw last year, they found their franchise quarterback.
It feels like a little bit of geez. Now, Patrick
Mahomes is this three time Super Bowl champ. You know

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that storyline is getting a little long in the tooth,
and it's interesting during his time of dominance, and it's
been a short time, but it has been dominant. It's
given rise or there has been rise to another superlative
young talent in the AFC with CJ.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Stroud and this and this Texans team.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
So I think I think if I were forced to
pick any of those AFC opponents, I would I would
take the Texans.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
I've got the right answer, guys, this is an obvious answer,
and I think this is how the NFL should approach it.
Gimme coach Harbaugh and the Chargers coming in there. Ooh wowright, okay,
divisional men, raise the intrigue level right out of the gate.
Give Harball the spotlight and let this new rivalry. And
as much as I love the Broncos, the Raiders I

(01:13:44):
think are going to be a little bit of an
afterthought with Gardner Minshew at quarterback. But the Broncos, of course,
you know, are intriguing with Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
But let's be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
The division going forward is Harbaugh against Reid and the
Chargers and the Chiefs, and can this new regime of
Harball really you know, unseat the favorite here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
That's how I would.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Play it if I was the NFL interesting, I would
go Bengals myself, because that's a Joe Burrow is back,
assuming he doesn't you know, like straining a calf muscle
or anything, and you know, training camp like he did
last year, remember that. But assuming he's healthy and he
should be, that's a great Week one matchup where you

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get the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Burrow head thing, right. He's had a lot of success.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Oh yeah, Kansas City and the Bengals had a disappointing
season last year, but to have all their guys back,
that would be a great matchup, especially with the history
with the AFC, you know, playoff battles.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
There and all that. I would go Burrow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
I don't think there's a wrong answer with the three
that we've mentioned. If he went Texans, Bengals, or Chargers
or Ravens. I mean goodness, it's the first game of
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Watch no matter who they throw out there. Yeah. Point.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
And also, I think one of the things the NBA
is missing right now is a truly dominant team. That's
the litmus test for the rest of the league, like
a little bit with Boston in the Eastern Conference. But
and and Denver, I guess you could have said the
same thing until they ran into the Minnesota Timberwolves in
Round two. We'll see how that series finishes. But like

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when the Warriors are great for a long stretch, or
the Bulls in the nineties, or Lebron's teams with the heat,
things like that, long stretches. You know, whether it's two
to five or even a decade's worth of success, it's
better for a league. And right now that NFL has
it again with the Kansas City Chiefs. So it's the
great litmus test for the rest of the league. Every

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single team that plays against them is a mini super Bowl.
You know, everybody wants to beat the Chiefs, and for
good reason.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, all right, We've got rich Orenberger, Penn stayed all
American right there, We've got Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst
and the dog father as we call him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Right figured that out today.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
I'm Brian no Coming up next, bets go Lore. A
lot of opportunities. We will dissect that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Let's dive into this prop it up player plays.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Ah, yes, prop bet opportunities go Lore, many different sports,
not just basketball, maybe a little golf.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I don't know. Throwing it out there. Jared, we'll start
with you with something you like.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
No, I was sticking the NBA. We haven't talked about
this thunder MAVs game yet. It's the first game actually
on the card. They're putting the Western Conference game first,
Eastern Conference game second. So this one starts I think
it's twelve thirty Pacific time, so be sure to get
this one in. But we're going shay Gilles Alexander over
twelve and a half rebounds and assists or staying away
from points, focusing on rebounds and assists. So in this

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series he's averaging eight and a half assists and ten
and a half rebounds per game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Well, I'm no map major, but that's way over twelve
and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
And really the potential assist and the potential rebounds is
what is eye opening here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Again, Gil just.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Alexander known for more of a score, but he's a
great defensive player. In this series, he's been a rebounder
and he has been a distributor. So I think SGA,
we know role players play better on the road. Well,
he's not a role player, so I think the stat
stuffing nature of SGA's game fits this today, over twelve
and a half rebounds and assists, the opportunities will be there,

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all right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
I'm gonna go rebounds. Different player, Luka Doncic.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
I'm taking the under on his ten and a half
rebounds today against Okay See. So since the playoffs have begun,
he's only gone over or I should say eleven rebounds
are more once it was the very opening game against
the Clippers, So I'm gonna take the under ten and
a half. He's averaging eight through this series so far,

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and then also staying with Luca three pointers. He had
this explosive game last outing against the Thunder he hit
five of them, but he's averaging two through the last
five games, and he's coming off a game against Okay See.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Where he only hit one three pointer.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
So this is an inflated stock category three and a
half three pointers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I'm taking the under there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Okay, I'm looking at this Celtics game. I like two
lines here. First off, I'm gonna take Jason Tatum over
two and a half three pointers. I can't believe this
didn't hit the last game. He had two three pointers
in the first half, didn't attempt one in the second half.
I was like, what's going on over here? I think
he gets there. I think it's gonna be a highly

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focused Jason Tatum. He hasn't gotten off in this series yet,
and after getting blown out in Game two, I think
he'll be locked in. So I'm gonna take over two
and a half threes for Tatum. I also like the
assists for Derek White. Give me over three and a half.
I think he's going to look to share the ball.
He's had five assists in each of the first two

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games here, and I think that the Boston offense is
going to look worlds better than it did in Game two,
So I think that a lot of the focus has
been on Derek White and scoring the ball, which he's
he did a great job of in Game one in particular,
but he's able to move it along and dish it
out as well. So I've got Derek White. The juice

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is not fantastic, it's minus one fifty five, but I
think he gets the four assists. I'd be surprised if
he doesen't, so it's a little bit of attacks right there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
But I do like that bet for Derek White as well.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
I like that one.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
I think the assists makes a lot of sense with
another Celtics prop that I bet this morning, Al Horford
over one and a half may threes. So he attempted
five in Game one, attempted seven in Game two, and
again those games were blowouts in both directions, so he
didn't get the full allotment of minutes. I think it's
obvious to me that the Cavs are focusing defensively on

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Brown and Tatum and even Derek White two two in
a sense, and you're getting Horford shooting forty two percent
from three this season, so if he takes five or
six threes he's making two.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Yeah, it's tricky too with Dallas where they shoot so
many of those corner threes. You know, they get good
looks and many they let them fly. You know at home,
they're gonna get a lot of threes up in the air.
There's no doubt about that. Kind of tricky to figure
out who's gonna hit him and who won't. But that's
why it's betting, all right, coming up next this debate,

(01:20:30):
Let's not overreact, man, A lot of overreaction for a
debate that was discussed. You know, it got me thinking
about this, guys, because Denver punched back last night they
beat the Timberwolves. Denver still trails in the series two
games to one, but Nicola Jokicic his normal studley self,

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and it got me thinking about the MVP debate. So
earlier this week, Nicola Jokicic was named MVP of the season,
his third award. He's a three time MVP now and
there was a lot of debate over this one. Shack
Shaquille O'Neal was one of the outspoken critics said should
have been Shake Gilgess Alexander should have been SGA to

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win the MVP. And here's my thing, real fast is
if you want to say SGA should have been the guy, okay,
that's fine, But to react like, oh, SGA got ripped off,
you know what I mean? Like that to me is
a complete overreaction. Nikola Jokic had seventy nine first place votes.
Sga had fifteen. Yeah, and as soon as you start

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saying that SGA got ripped off, that's where you lose me.
Nikola Jokic averaged over twenty six points, twelve rebounds, and
nine assists. He almost averaged a triple double. And I
think you just get used to greatness. If this is
the first year we're seeing this type of production from
the Kola Jokic, we would have lost our minds. You

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got a big man almost averaging a triple double. That's insane.
But because he was a two time MVP going into
this latest season, it's like, yeah, been there, done that,
shoulder shrug. But this new flavor of the season is SGA.
Sga is a walking bucket. He's sensational. But you guys

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get my point. Sometimes you just get used to something
and you don't think it's as special as it actually is.
To say that SGA got ripped off is a dumb
argument because Nicola Jokic had another sensational season. If you
want to say SGA should have been the guy, fine,
I get it, you have a leg to stand on.
But to say SGA got ripped off is just silly

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to me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Yeah, I agree, I think Nicola Jokic is the MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
If I had to vote, that's who it would go to.
You know, if I was forced to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Do this, I kinda And you guys know how I
feel about All Star voting, Pro Bowl voting, you know,
these postseason awards or regular season awards that are announced
during the postseason Hall of Fame voting. Even I think
it's all really dumb and subjective, and I don't believe
in it. I just I don't really have any faith
that these writers or broadcasters or vote you know, vote

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getters really get it right all that often. And so
when the hit rate is low, Why am I trusting
others when I can trust my own eyes. But I
do think that Jokich was the most dominant player from
my subjective standpoint in the NBA this season. I respect
Shack's opinion, I respect anybody's opinion that it may be
more deserving to go somewhere else, But I think it's

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a little it's far out on the limb to say
anybody got robbed this year by giving it to Yokich
because he's doing historic things on the court. He's he's
about as dominant a player as we've seen at his
position since Shack. Basically, it's it's unbelievable what he can

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do as a center. I guess a stretch five in
this league.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Yeah, I don't think SGA is the MVP of the league.
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
I think he might be down the road, But I
think the way that the votes shook out it was correct.
I think the other and Chris Brussard said this on
the show earlier this week. He voted for vot, he
voted for Luca, and I think that, frankly, I would
have I think Lucas more of an MVP than SGA.
And it's not a knock on SGA at all. I mean,
he could be an MVP at some point later on,

(01:24:28):
but the numbers don't lie. Lucas averaging almost a triple
double two like so, it just I think he doesn't
do as much as those other two guys do. And
I don't think Sga is asked to do as much
as those other two guys are. I think the way
that the Thunder play, it's more of a team dynamic.
I mean, we watched the Thunder. They have a couple

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of role players that I think play like stars home
Grim and Williams. And I don't think Dallas or Denver. Actually, Frankly,
Denver's got two stars Jamal Murray. But let's be honest,
Jokich is the MVP the real cup of this Who
is the guy that voted for Yannis for the first place?

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Yeah or girl? Frankly, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Who it was, but that was And to your point, Rich,
like the way that these votes and these awards are
kind of constructed. We bet on them their markets. They
need to be transparent. I like that we see the
votes at the end, but I don't trust these people,
Like are they really watching the games? I don't know

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if the person that voted for Yannis to win to
win the MVP could There's no way he watched the
bucks this year, Like, I don't know if that person
really watched the games, right, because how could you watch
the games and say Yannis the team that finished third
in the worst in the in the lesser conference. That
was fortunate to win the division because Cleveland punted on

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the last day of the year. Who was in and
out of the lineup? I think he played like seventy
ish games. He missed like over ten games this year.
It was a mess from the start for the Bucks.
How can you say that guy's the MVP, Like, how
can I put my faith in those people voting for
these awards if that is the result. And I know
it was an outlier, but we get that a lot
with these award markets. It makes them very tricky, and

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it's why when you're handicapping them from a betting perspective,
forget about who you think should win the award, handicap
the voter base.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
What do the voters tend to do? It's hard to
predict that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
But to your original point, Brian, a lot of people
wanted to see Yokic not win it this year because
he had already won it, not because he wasn't the MVP,
just because it gets stale and we want.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
To see something new, which is not the spirit of
what the award is. Right, That's my issue with it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
And half I half applaud Chris Brussard because he thinks
for himself. Sure, not like, yeah, the masses are gonna
say Yokich, therefore I'm gonna say Yokich as well.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
He thinks for himself.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
The flip side is he's been doing a show with
Rob Parker for far too long, you know what I mean.
He's just going straight contrarian crazy ville. But like Luca,
he only had four first place votes, you know, and
Luca had a strong season, there's no doubt, but you
just get used to greatness.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I agree with that, That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Remember Russell Westbrook when he averaged a triple double that
first season, it was like blow your mind type stuff.
We never thought we would see this again. We thought
Oscar Robertson would be the last guy not gonna happen again.
Russell Westbrook did it, he was the MVP. He did
it again the next season. We were like, eh, shoulder shrug, right,
it's crazy, like come on. But I think there's a

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lot of that with jokicch And if you want to
cut through it as well, there's an artistic little element
to all of this too, where exactly, man, you look
at Anthony Edwards flying through the air and dunking on
John Collins, and it's just like WHOA jokicch is like
Jello out there, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
It's like wobbling around.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Incredibly effective, but he's not nearly as artistic as Anthony
Edwards or SGA. SG is beautiful and Jokic is highly effective.
It's just not a beautiful game. And maybe that, coupled
with getting used to greatness, is why you're like, yeah, Ben,
they're done that. I'm ready for something new right now.

(01:28:13):
You can't vote like that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
No, I completely agree with you to comment on two
things you said there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
I think they are brilliant points.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
We do get tired of greatness, We get bored of greatness.
There was a stretch there where Lebron James was the
MVP every season for I could make an argument for
six to eight seasons during the stretch of his career
like in a row, he was the best player in
the league and it wasn't even close. But nobody is
going to allow the MVP trophy to go that stale.

(01:28:45):
And during that time of complete dominance of the MVP
or of the of the NBA, there were other very
valid MVP candidates and I think exactly what you said, Brian,
is what happened with these voters. Did they get tired
of writing Lebron's name at the top line and so
they gave somebody else some shine?

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
And is it fair?

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
No, because those players, in my opinion, and I think
subjectively amongst most NBA plans would say, yeah, nobody's better
than Lebron.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
We're just this is very performative.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
We're just giving it to somebody else to share the
wealth a little bit here. But then to talk about
Jokicic's game in defense of him winning the MVP this year,
I agree with you, but I'm about to speak out
of both sides of my mouth. And this is the
reason why I hate MVP voting is because I am
bored to tears by Jokiic's game. I think he is

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one of the worst things that's happened to the NBA.
Wow Wow, because I'm telling you, it's not sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
It's like it's it's it's.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
I mean, look, Michael Jordan was I mean it was
it was like watching Liquid Mercury. You didn't know where
this guy was gonna go. There was just such an
elusiveness to his athleticism, and he was tough, and he
was a great defender, and he was offensive. Lebron James
to see a freight train move with such agility, incredible.

(01:30:12):
Steph Curry revolutionized the game from the three point line,
and he did that little shimmy that pissed off every
opposing fan, but the Warrior fans erupted, and you know,
there was drama because he was the perfect ying to
the yang of Draymond Green on that team. And there's
so much, so much about the Warriors to love, and
also so much about the Warriors to hate. The dever

(01:30:34):
Nuggets are boring team, Luca John, excuse me. Jokic is
a boring player. He doesn't look you know, physically intimidating,
he doesn't look athletically dominant. He's a skillful shooter. He's
a skillful, fundamentally sound basketball player. He does amazing things

(01:30:56):
on the basketball court. And well, I say that I
yawning because every time I watch him play, I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Take a quick nap afterward. I don't even know how
to respond to that.

Speaker 10 (01:31:10):
It's I mean, that's boring.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
That was boring, Star, How was a take right there?

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
We should we should uh we should definitely mark that
one down and play it again later.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
That was an interesting one.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
I think I'll lay it out in gambling terms, because
that's really the only thing I know how to do
with this kind of stuff, right, Jokich is like if
you're just betting a minus one ten side every day,
and it's like, I'm just gonna bet the sides and
be very consistent, whereas these other players are like same
game parlays with like ten to one payouts, Like we
gravitate towards that because it's more exciting. It is it's

(01:31:42):
more exciting to win more and risk less than it
is to risk one hundred and ten dollars and win
one hundred. You've got to be really consistent over a
long period of time. But but ask the most successful
gamblers in the history of gambling, what's a winning strategy?
Is it boring, bland, every day consistent, or is it

(01:32:03):
I'm gonna risk one hundred dollars and win a million. Yeah,
those people tend to not win long term. So while
I think I agree it's not sexy, it's a winning mentality,
like he just shows up every day and wins, and
and that there's something to that there's something too, and
it's one thing for the not to say the MVP

(01:32:25):
and and they're not winning a championship. They're winning championships too.
So that's why I think it's hard for me to
be against Nikola Jokic and Brian. Your your description was perfect.
Jello is like the perfect way to describe him. But
let's be honest. There's always room for Jello, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
We always make room for Cello.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Yeah, even if you don't have room, you still have room,
always room for Cello. I would say this with Rich
saying yok is about boring player. It depends on your
cup of tea, right. I think a lot of people
might look at stylistically. Jokic definitely is not a sexy player.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
He's not. He doesn't have a sexy style.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
My comment would be what happens after the comma?

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Meaning this, If you say Jokic is a boring player
comma bar, then what right? Like, but you got to
give him credit. Man, the numbers he puts up, he's sensational. Fine,
if you're after the comma is Jokic is a boring player,
And therefore I just can't bring myself to vote for
him for MVP, or say he's the MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Now, I got an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
That's where styolistically, it's getting in the way of just
what he's producing. And the numbers man to average twenty six,
twelve and nine in seventy nine games played the league.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Nobody, Yeah, exactly, he plays every day, gotcha, Key, I'll
give you the perfect example perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Yeah, this crosses over a sport, but the perfect example
of somebody who you knowsly is either the greatest fighter
of all time or one of certainly the greatest fighters
of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Floyd Mayweather finished his his fighting career undefeated.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Floyd was a boring fighter. I hated watching his fight.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know and and but it's undeniable,
so you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
It's what happens after the comma. Floyd Mayweather is a
boring fighter. He was a great promoter. He was a
great promoter of his brand Money Mayweather. Everybody knew him,
Everybody hated him. Everybody signed up for the pay per
views to see him lose, and he wouldn't because he
was such a brilliant defensive fighter.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Nobody could touch him. That guy never got touched up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
In the ring, so as a result, he would wait,
he would wait, he would CounterPunch, and he wasn't a
knockout king either, so most of these cards went to decision.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
It was boring.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
It was you would wretch while you're watching a Floyd
Mayweather fight because you're like, again, it's happening. Again, it's happening.
But it was effective. Now that's the same way I
feel about Yo Kich. I love I love his game
and I hate it at the same time, I think
he's brilliant and I think he's boring. I also, I mean,
if you ever listen to him post game, there is

(01:35:15):
nothing interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
About this guy. Oh my god, he is. I mean
it is a verbal niquil. And if some people are
like he isn't he funny, I'm like, no, I was
rolling us. I think. Oh, I think a lot of
it is he knows that we don't like it, and
he does it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
He's like the perfect If there was a if there
was like a degeneration X.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
In the NBA, like old school.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
The xwoah, Yo Kich would be the hull call again
of the nWo in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Oh it drives me crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
But at the same time, I respect his talent and
I think he's a brilliant passer. He's one of the
best passers I've ever seen on a basketball court. I mean,
he's just anything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
He's gonna be remembered in twenty years. What's his legacy?
I do think. I think he'll be remembered as one
of He's gonna go down as one of the goats.
Are we going to have that discussion with him? Probably?

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
And here's why, Because he's a transitional He's a transitional star.
And what I mean by that is this is the
first time in the new era of basketball that a
big man has been as dominant as he's been. You
know that, we like, he's truly a center or a
stretch five, and he's reinvented with that position.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Nobody plays like him. Looks like, yeah, exactly correct.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Well, that's the thing to It depends on how much
he wins. That's a big part of it. That's what
we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
It'll come back in this series and win. I'll tell
you what that's big for the legs.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
That would be huge, Absolutely, it would be. But that's
the thing that's crazy too, is you're hearing a lot
of this, Well, he's a three time MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
He's got one ring.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
These three time MVPs, and more so most of them
have multiple rings. That right, it turns into that, and
it's like Jamal Murray isn't even an All Star.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
He's really good player, he's not an All Star. Look
at some of these.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Guys that are the Olympic team for crime, right, well,
but they've won over three MVPs.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Look at the co pilots that they had. Scotty Pippen
is a great co pilot.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Look at what Larry Bird had to work with with
the Celtics or magic with the Lakers. He had freaking
kareem right, Like, and we're talking about, oh, Jokic doesn't
have multiple rings. I don't know why it's shifted to
what jokicic doesn't do or what's left to check off
on the resume, you know what I mean. Like, it's
just strange like that, where hey, man, he had another

(01:37:35):
sensational season. I thought he deserved to be MVP. If
you think it should have been SGA, I get it,
there's an argument, But to say that SGA got ripped off,
that's just a step too far, man, Absolutely too far.
We got some NFL stuff to do. Right around the corner,
we've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith
FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian. Now I'll tell you what.

(01:37:58):
We have a handful of topics. There is something I
read this morning before the show that it was a
combination of laughing out loud at how stupid this comment
was and then feeling the rage inside of me. You know,
it was half laughter, half rage. I'll share that with you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Right around the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
So before the show, I was just you know, looking around,
looking at what stories were going on, and I saw
something from CBS Sports Okay, and it was something about
Brock Purdy and the headline was something like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
People are still sleeping on Brock Purdy over here. I'm like,
I gotta read this. Got it. It was far worse
that I anticipated. Oh wow, way worse than I anticipated.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Okay, it says I'm reading word for words, just a
sentence here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
We dropped our.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
First post draft edition of the twenty twenty four Quarterback Power.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Rankings this week.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Oh no, and easily the most divisive choice was slotting
brock Purty at number two, behind only Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Wow, what are we doing? N It was CBS sports Man.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
I don't know if the guy doubles as the blog
guy for the Niners or what.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
But and it was funny.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
The write up was just hysterical where it was like,
you know, if you're talking about starting your team, like,
would you start your team with Josh Allen over brock Purty?

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Probably definitely, But.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
You can't sure change what brock Purty has done in
the production.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Oh my gosh, just stop. I don't know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Turned into we're just in looney Tunesville. You know, Like
brock Purty, he's done a good job. I'm not making
him out to be the worst guy ever. But putting
him as the number two quarterback in the entire NFL
that's freaking insane. Yeah, Like, if you can get him
in the top five, good luck, but number two overall

(01:40:05):
that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
I don't I don't understand why people. Well, let's put
it this way. If this was to get a little
buzz around an article you wrote, yeah, mission accomplished, right,
you know, because that's a smart.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Tactic here we are talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
But if this is truly this opinion of this writer,
that you think that Brock Party, in terms of power rankings,
is the number two quarterback in the league, I have
serious questions about your either motives or your knowledge of football,
because it's pretty easy to get to like five or

(01:40:46):
six at least before you even consider mentioning Brock's name.
For me, I mean Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,
a healthy Joe Burrow, which health is presumed that the
beginning of the season, the start that CJ. Stroud had
doing more with less than Brock Parties ever had to

(01:41:07):
operate with.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
I mean, I mean c J.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Stroud barely had an offensive line to start the season,
and he was having better games than.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Brock Party was, and he was a rookie.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
So listen with this is with all due respect to
Brock Purty, who I would consider a top ten quarterback,
he is no. He is nowhere near number two in
the league.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
I would put him a lets. So I pulled I
found the story. Cody Benjamin is the gentleman who wrote
it for CBS. Here's the list. Allen three, Burrow four, Stroud, five,
then six, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Justin, Herbert,
Jordan Love.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
That's your top ten.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
I think I would put Brock maybe even with with
Love maybe right at the ten spot. I definitely put
Herbert and Dak and Jalen Hurts. Yeah, Lamar Jackson, like
those guys are transcendent athletes in our league and leaders
beyond belief. Jalen Hurts is like the most respected person

(01:42:08):
in the locker room at all times. I don't know
if Brock is that in San Francisco now. I don't
know for sure, but my guess is he's just kind
of one of the other guys like it. Just I
I don't want to rack too much on this on
the Power ratings because I know that a lot of
this is for clickbait, and so by us, you know,
drawing attention to it, it it it, you know, intensifies

(01:42:30):
the click baitiness of it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
But I'll say this to anyone who's listening.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
If you think Brock perty's the second best quarterback in
the league, the other ten to fifteen quarterbacks that are
probably ahead of him maybe got sick with the flu.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
I don't know. Like like something's wrong with that Pro
Bowl alternate thing.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
I don't know, Yeah, like they like maybe they maybe
they were asked to be on the list and they said, no,
we're good, they'll give brock that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
We'll Yeah, it's some Look, man, it's I even go
but bait it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
It has to be.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
There's no other explanation other than that where and they're
even drawing attention to it in a separate article exactly,
so it's clearly clickbait. But it just makes zero sense whatsoever.
And look, man, if you some quarterbacks that weren't listed
in the top ten, are you taking if you had
a choice right this next season, would you roll with

(01:43:27):
Matthew Stafford in San Francisco or Brock Party?

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Would you roll with Trevor Lawrence with those weapons with
the Niners?

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Or he's running it back with well Bertie quarterback Brian
I honestly, I think if you put any quarterback in
San Francisco, they do the same exact thing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
Brock Party is doing maybe better.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Yeah, and that system and the weapons he has to
work with a guy that's holding a clipboard right now
in mac Jones, right, we bring him up because he
might have been he could have been the number three
overall pick. They went with Trey Lance instead. Yeah, but
you put mac Owns in that offense, I really don't
think you're seeing a dramatic fall off at all.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Agree.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
I think he's capable of putting up the same production.
And people take that as a complete disc toward Brock Party,
and it's not intended to be.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
It's just the truth. Yeah, it's just I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
I think that I look around the league and I
think of other quarterbacks who make sense in that system,
who shined in that system and have done similar things,
by the way, in that system, Jimmy Garoppolo, for example,
before there was Brock Party, there was Jimmy G. And

(01:44:40):
by the way, the way people talk about Brock Party
now is the way people were talking about Jimmy G
when he lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Now, Jimmy G.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
I don't think we're having conversation about a backup quarterback
being considered one of the elite quarterbacks in the league
right now. But there was a time where I would
have shuffled Jimmy G close to or into the top
ten in the league based on production. But it was
also while having the same thought in my mind that
this is also partly because he's in a great system

(01:45:14):
at a great time to be in that system in
a division that was Look, they had the Rams in
the way, there's no question about it. But there were
a couple of easier teams. The Seattle Seahawks at the
time they were on their way down with Russell Wilson,
Arizona Cardinals could be picked off at any moment, Like
it wasn't the harshest of divisional matchups for them on

(01:45:38):
a week in, week out basis. And I look at
the Niners situation right now with brock Party similarly, it's
not the strongest of divisions in the NFL, and you
have a system with weapons everywhere you look, even more
so than Jimmy G had. And so if a quarterback
has some poise and some talent, and there's no question
that brock Party has both, he could have success in

(01:45:59):
that systam him And that's exactly what we're seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Yeah, Jimmy G did the exact same thing as as
Brock and then he got bench for Aidan O'Connell, who
is not in the top ten of this quarterback rankings.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Lest by the way, surprisingly, but but not. I think.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
I would take bar like I do like Brock per
I don't want to make this like an anti Brock segment.
It's it's it's not. It sounds like it is, but
it's not. I think you have to understand who you
are as a player. And I think if you, I
bet if you even asked Brock purty directly, candidly, not
on camera, because on camera you gotta act like, yeah,
I'm the guy, But candidly you're You're at a bar,

(01:46:39):
you're hanging out, You're having.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
A beer with Brock. Hey, bro you think you're the
second best quarterback in the league. Come on, he would
probably tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
Now, I think it's even he probably would would admit that.
And I think he has aspirations to be the best.
Everyone does, but he is limited by his physical nature,
Like he is not as physically talented as all of
those other eyes that we mentioned. And that's again not
a knock on Brock party. I would argue that based
off of his physical limitations, he is probably making the

(01:47:09):
most out of his NFL career, Like you can't play
at any higher of a level for a guy coming
from his situation, his size, his speed.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
His arm strength, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
Like he's playing at probably the highest possible level he can.
But there are other players. Lamar Jackson is the first
one that comes to mind, Like you have to be
a freak to be considered in that level. Patrick Mahomes
is a freak, like athletically freakish, like that's not brock
Purty and that's okay. He is again making the most

(01:47:42):
out of what he can do. But to put him
in that tier, I think is just, you know, blasphemy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
I'll say this real fast.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
Is it's funny because most of the time in sports,
you at least have the opportunity to shut up the naysayers. Sure, right,
Like there are naysayers with Lamar Jackson. I can't get
it in the playoffs, you can't win a Super Bowl.
If they win a Super Bowl, he shuts everybody up
this season, right for brock Purty. A lot of the
naysayers are, well, look at Shanahan to play caller, look

(01:48:11):
at that system, look at the talent around him. He
can't do anything to shut those people up, right because.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
He's still in the same system.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
He's still as Kyle Shanahan he still has a great
supporting cast.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
He would have to go somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
He'd have to go like to the Patriots with the
lack of talent like last season's roster, and put up
the same type of production. And it's like, Oh, I
guess he's more than just Kyle Shanahan and talent around him.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
He can't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
He's incapable of shutting up those naysayers. And that's funny
because most of the time you do have the opportunity
to shut people up.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
I don't think brock Perty has that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
With the things that are said against him as long
as he's as he's in San Francisco, he would have
to do something so extraordinary and route to winning a
Super Bowl, putting up huge, absolute mammoth numbers, winning it
all and being clutched. It would take something like that
while he's still in San Francisco. That's about all he
has to work with. Speaking of something to work with,

(01:49:09):
we have more than enough to work with when it
comes to Isaac loewen Kron with us this morning, two
spin us around.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
What's going on?

Speaker 7 (01:49:15):
I love We actually have some breaking horse racing news
for you guys this morning. Kenny McPeak, the trainer for
Kentucky Derby winner Mystic Dan, announced that Mystic Dan will
run in the Preakness Stakes.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
After all.

Speaker 7 (01:49:32):
It was initially thought that Mystic Dan would be held
out of the Preakness because of the quick turnaround. However,
McPeak announcing earlier this morning that Mystic Dan will run
in the Preakness Stakes, keeping hopes alive of a potential
run at the Triple Crown. I'm gonna have to gallop
faster than that, to be honest with you. In Game

(01:49:53):
three of the NBA's Western Conference Semi Finals on Friday night, Denver,
what in Minnesota? One seven ninety t will still lead
the series two games to one. Earlier Friday night, in
Game three of the Eastern Conference semi Finals, the Indiana
Pacers and New York Knicks retied at one oh six
in the final minute.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Here was Mark Boyle on w f N I.

Speaker 8 (01:50:15):
Atliburton double teams out near the timeline, three to shoot,
two to shoot thirty five foot three.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
Two and again.

Speaker 7 (01:50:33):
In case you just happened to be joining us, That
was a reference to Andrew Nemhard's uniform number, not anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Probably the only number that doesn't work. I really.

Speaker 7 (01:50:52):
Even number even number one would not be as instantly
egregious as yeah and totally totally different concoctation.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Speaker 7 (01:51:06):
On Friday night, the Edmonton Oilers one Game two of
the Western Conference semi Finals at Vancouver in overtime, four
to three, times, the series at one. In Major League
Baseball Friday night, the Dodgers and Padres were tied at
one in San Diego. In the bottom of the ninth inning,
with Don Orcillo at the microphone, why the.

Speaker 9 (01:51:23):
Shutter fel on the pace, Hid, where it's coming around Brooks.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
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Side block up a Satday Echo. Lois arrives, Walk up,
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Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
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was thinking about something that you said, rich and we'll
go fast on this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
We're up against it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
But you compared Nicola Jokic to Floyd Mayweather, and I
love that comparison because both were highly effective and both
were not sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
And it got me thinking about this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
It's funny because in football, for instance, right, if you
have a lead, we want you to be smart. Just
run the ball, take a knee, run the clock out,
don't take any chances, right, And in boxing we want
the opposite. In basketball, we might want the opposite. You know,
in boxing, if Floyd had a big lead, we're like,

(01:52:44):
go for the knockout, you know, like take wild chances,
you know, put yourself in harm's way where you might
get knocked out.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
That makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
That would be like a football team being up by
double digits and we're like, hey, throw it deep, throw
in the double coverage, come on, Like that makes no sense.
So it's funny that Floyd and Jokic they looked at it.
Floyd said, if I have a lead, why am I
taking wild chances? The goal was to win, And Jokicic
looks at it and says, do you get extra points

(01:53:14):
for scoring with Flair, you know, it's like, no, I'm
just gonna be effective, and that's all they worried about.
And I thought that's why they were successful, and sometimes
they were sold short of their accomplishments. But I think
that's an absolutely great comparison by you Floyd and Jokics.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
There are a lot of similarities there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
Yeah, tons, And you're right, Like one of the things,
one of the things we condemn Kyle Shanahan about in
his career is the fact that in that Patriots game
they weren't more conservative offensively when he was offensive coordinated
with the Falcons, that they were throwing the football and
going three and out, three and out, three and out,

(01:53:53):
giving the Patriots second chance opportunities that taking the ball
down and scoring, and they did, and they forced overtime
and they won that Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
And still to this.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
Day that that is something that Shanahan will bear with
him for the rest of his coaching career. It's a
big part of the story. And you know, and the
reality is you're right. You know, conservative works sometimes and
sometimes there's a call for it, and sometimes doing the
sexy thing isn't the right thing. It's just the popular thing,
and it's the thing that sells the most magazines and

(01:54:24):
sells the most jerseys. You know, there's gonna be a
lot more Anthony Edwards jerseys sold after this postseason. Then
there will be Nicola jokicch And I think that says
something about us as a society, but it also says
something about sport. Sometimes the most effective strategy isn't the
most popular strategy.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
And guys, let's be honest, Jokici, he deserved this MVP,
all of the all of the Jello talk. As much
as we love the discourse, and it is fantastic discourse,
it makes for great radio, it makes for great TV.
At the end of the day, he's the best player
in the sport. You gotta kiss the ring.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Yeah, no, absolutely, that's Jared Smith FSR.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Betting analyst Rich Ornberger with US Penn State All American.
He will blow torch some pork shoulder over there. Oh yeah,
in the market for anything. I'm Brian No coming up next,
Rapid Fire. We each have three betting selections for you
before we get on out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
That's on the way.

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Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
It's Mogan Garden. Thank you, appreciate the assist right there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Hopefully it'll just be like Derek White right with the
Boston Celtics needed to get the four assists. Thank you
for the assist. Chris Burfett, our technical producer, crushing the updates,
crushing life. That'd be Isaac Loewenkron Top of the Hour,
up on game, LaVar Arrington, t J. Hushman's Oda Plexico Burus.
They got you covered. Have we got some picks to make?

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Let's do it rapid fire. All right, Jared, we'll start
with you. What do you like?

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
Well, I'm getting hammered in the baseball market so far
this year, but we are going to stay consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
We'll be on the grind and here we go. Three
baseball picks for you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
Let's start in the Rfie Nurfe Field Royals Angels, no
run first inning, Cole Reagan's Tyler Anderson, fantastic pitching matchup tonight,
Anderson seven and one to the Nerfe more of a
finesse pitcher. Reagan's is an a six and two Nerfey record.
He throws gas. We'll go your fee Dodgers Padres. Love
the ending last night. I think we carry over with

(01:56:40):
a hot start today. James Paxton, Matt Waldron. Both of
those guys kind of on the struggle bus this season,
especially Matt Waldron, who's giving up a three to sixty
batting average in the first inning. And finally, Paul Skeen's
making his major league debut shortly in Pittsburgh. We are
gonna go under his strikeout prop of six and a half. Listen,
he's been fantastic at Triple A. He's a rock star.
But I think nerves and just a short leash today

(01:57:02):
in his major league gave you under six and a
half strikeouts for Paul Schemes.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
Okay, Okay, love that a lot. I'm gonna stay with
the NBA for all of my picks today.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
Uh give me, Oh, actually, I just lost my page here,
gotta get back to it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
Actually, Brian No, could you jump in for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
Yeah, yes, yes, if we If that helps Derek White
get to four assists, absolutely I'd be happy to rich.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
Okay, I'm going with this.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
I call it my it's so square, it's sharp betting
card here today, I'm going puck on you guys. Huh
all of these picks. Yeah, give me Igor Shasterkin. He
has been amazing for the New York Rangers, standing on
his head. I'm taking over thirty and a half saves
in Game four tonight he had forty five saves. The

(01:57:54):
previous game, he had fifty four saves in Game two
that was a double overtime game. But he has been sensational.
I think he gets the thirty one saves. You're facing elimination,
right and if you're the Hurricanes, they're gonna be uper aggressive.
I love it going over thirty and a half saves
for just Thirkin. Give me over in the Stars Avs

(01:58:15):
game over six and a half. Colorado led the NHL
in goals this season. Dallas was just behind them, ranked third.
I'm comfortable with over six and a half and bounce
back situation here for the Boston Celtics, I'll lay the
seven and a half. When they're focused, they're nasty, and

(01:58:35):
they're way better than Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
I'll lay it with Boston this yeason.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
Oh wow, Well we're matched up on one of these picks.
That'll be Boston. I'm laying the points as well. I
think the Celtics will bounce back and overcome what happened
to them against the Cavs last outing. I'm also taking
another favorite. I'm laying the two and a half points
with the Mavericks. I just think they're the better team,
even though I do think that Okac probably has the

(01:59:01):
better player.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
Playing right now.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
And then give me the Padres plus one and a
half on the run line. I feel like there's a
little bit of some magic happening with this lineup, the
home crowd behind them. I agree with what Jared Smith
said about Matt Waldron has been roughed up a couple
of times, especially in the early innings. But give me
the Padres plus one and a half on the run line.

Speaker 4 (01:59:25):
Okay, hockey pick Therapino, I was not expecting.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
Now, Yeah, what do you think about that, Jared? Well,
here's what I do think.

Speaker 4 (01:59:32):
I have an exact on the Rangers to beat the
Oilers in the Stanley Cup Final. It pays forty two
to one, and it's like a five thousand dollars payout,
So I am rooting very I mean, the Rangers are
gonna make the next round.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
The Oilers won in overtime last night.

Speaker 4 (01:59:45):
We're getting close to that thing, starting to have some
real life to it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
So obviously I'm a Rangers fan. That's kind of why
I made the bed.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
But Oilers. This the hockey postseason, guys. We all talk
about it a lot because it doesn't get national headlines,
but every single one of these games is like overtime
nail biters.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
It's so intense. I love it. I think it's the
best postseason of any sport. I think there are some
crazy outcomes. Man, there's no doubt.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
Every now and then you get a yawner. You know,
you get an easy win here and there. But it
does seem like it's trauma left and right real fast.
How about your Knicks? How about Jalen Brunson right in
Game four bounce back situation.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
Listen, guys, I think with the Knicks, I just like
strap In and I get ready for a battle every
time they play.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
I have no idea it was no way.

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
It'll be a lot of fun. Absolutely, always enjoy it. Everybody,
you have a great day. We'll catch you soon

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