Jason Martin & Arnie Spanier Talk Kyrie's Redemption Arc, Brunson's Ascension, Lakers HC Search & Other NBA Storylines!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
We're good?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I think I know you sent over stuff you want
to talk about. I think we should change it up.
Do three hours of New York Knicks basketball. Take an
hour from Birdie making four hours of New York Knicks basketball.
Let's go, Let's get wealthy, Let's get Bill Bradley on,
Let's get him all on. Man, come on, I'm so
I haven't been this excited about my next team in

(01:03):
I don't know since I was born, I mean since
those days, since my mom used to take me to
a Madison Square garden when we couldn't afford it, and
we get in with tickets and return them and so
we wouldn't have to pay for them.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
And go to the games.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Man, It's just it's so exciting right now. I'm hoping
they can get through all the injuries though.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
What can we can we get Rinaldo Balkman and Kevin
Knox and I don't know, just let's let's start running
down all the way they go. Frederick Weiss is known
for one thing, and it's not what you want to
be known for. He is known for basically being I

(01:42):
don't know the the hurdle for Vince Carter.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh what he got is that what it was that
was the posterize of the dunk.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Posterize is one way to put It's still one of
the most vicious things.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I didn't even know he actually made it out to
the court for the New York Knicks, how about that?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
So I don't know if he did. The only thing
I knew him for was for that one moment, and
that was in the international competition. But yes, we will
talk plenty of Nick's basketball before the end of the program.
In fact, we'll jump into it in the next segment.
But let's talk about the business that was handled today first,
the game that just ended. Celtics over the Cavs. They've
been better on the road in the playoffs than they

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have been at home. They win by thirteen. Tatum has
thirty three interesting. Torres is not here, but he sent
me a take a couple of days ago about the Celtics,
and as soon as he said it, I felt like
I could have said the exact same thing. I don't
know if you agree here, but I don't know what
it is about Boston. They're just not interesting to me

(02:40):
right Like they're kind of dull compared to some of
the other storylines that you can follow in some of
the other teams that we can follow. I don't know
what it is. Maybe it's just because they've been here before.
We've seen these guys in these playoffs situations before. I'm
not sure, but I'm not like super into watching them
play basketball right now. Like I've watched all the other

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series and I've enjoyed them. And maybe it's just because
it's the Calves, but I like Donovan Mitchell. I enjoy
watching those guys. But the Celtics team just isn't exciting.
Maybe that's a word. Not that they're not interesting. There's
plenty of interesting, but they're just not exciting. There's not
Their branded basketball right now just doesn't have my attention.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And you know what's funny, we really should not feel
that way for now. They have two superstars in Tatum
and Brown. I mean the shots these guys hit on
any given night is tremendous. I mean, they're great shooters.
They could put up thirty on any given night. Back
before they traded Marcus Smart, he was quite a character.
He was a great defensive player. He'd certainly knock you

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on your butt. So you had, you know, you had
three guys you could certainly talk about and and you
know they were the number one seed in the Eastern Conference.
So what exactly do we want from them? I mean,
I know that over the last couple of years, I
think in their last thirty games, they're fifteen and fifteen
in the playoffs. I don't know if that includes today's game,
so maybe sixteen and fifteen that's I think that's at home.

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But man, they got to step it up. This was
a must win for them. They had to win this game.
But you're right, They're not an interesting team, but they
get things done. The number one seed in these drink
Conference we should appreciate the more. But the fact that
they don't have that championship that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Remember Jaylen Brown.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Said he want to be working on his fifth or
sixth championship by now has zero.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Maybe that's why we don't put him in the higher
est them.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I mean I do think it is. It's become
a kind of old hat, like I'm used to seeing
them in this spot, but there's nothing. It's easy to
get excited right now watching the Timberwolves because you haven't
seen this before, and so there's all sorts of new
storylines emerging. My thunder, even if they weren't my team,
I would still be relatively excited to watch SGA play
and watch chat Holmgren play and watch some of these

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young guys going out of Josh Kitty and everybody like that.
And then Denver's a defending champion and you want to
see what they can do coming back from this. Actually,
with Jokich winning his third MVP and then the Knicks Pacers,
we have the history of what that rivalry had been,
and yeah, it is you're not the only one. Apparently

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half of ESPN was and they felt the need to
say it, Like Kendrick Perkins came out and it was
just like, can we find out whether or not Jalen
Brunson is heard or not and not hear anymore about Reggie?
Yeah exactly, Yeah, so I and he wasn't speaking alone,
as you certainly agree, but I think a lot of
other people agreed to. But just the series in general
has been great, Like the games have been great. They've

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been dramatic. We've had the ref show show up here.
We've had some bad blood kind of e merge here.
We've had kind of a Willis reedish moment for Jalen
Brunson coming back in Game two. That's been a fun series.
It's just something about this Celtics Cavs series where maybe
it is just I don't think the Calves can win it,
and so you're just kind of waiting to see how

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many games it takes Boston to win it and how
unimpressive they're going to be a long way to get
to the Eastern Conference finals. Just they don't have my attention.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, they lost that one game to Miami, and they
had the one loss to Cleveland. This series is still
not over. Cleveland comes back in the next game. It
ties this thing into a piece. I don't think the
Celtics are going to.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Go ahead and win it.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
So yeah, no, no when this series. I don't know
about the Knicks series. I mean, I want to see
what's going on with Og and see how healthy he is.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's a terrible loss for the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean more than even people imagine, absolutely horrible. And
I want to see if the Boston series ends up
going at least six games. If it goes five games,
then the Celtics are sitting around getting healthy, resting. I
don't think the Knicks have a chance when all the
minutes these guys have been playing. So we'll see how
it works out for the Knicks tomorrow. But I think
that if it goes six, I think it does go six.

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I think the Celtics win it, but then it makes
them play that extra game and they don't get any rest.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I mean, I know, bark we said the other ninety
was just like the Knicks Pacer series. As good as
it is, it's just for the right to go get
stomped by the Celtics. I don't think that's true either.
I do think it's true if it's Indiana.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
And we'll get into that a little bit more after
the break. We'll talk more about that series. But I
don't think Boston New York is just a total blowout
in favor of Boston. I just don't. I think there's
a lot of heart and there's a lot of there's
there's a lot of competitiveness on the side of the
Knicks with Brunson, with Josh Hart and Devincenzo just seems

(07:37):
to hit every big shot like he's good. I mean,
he was great at Villanova, don't get me wrong, but
I didn't know he was going to be this in
the NBA. Like he is perfect for that team because
he had two matches, right.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
He was a big part of Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
He was He's had a better pro career than I expected.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
That absolutely.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
You know, it proves one thing when you look at
the Celtics, you don't need a big three. I mean
they say they need a third because they got Tatum
and Brown. What do the Knicks have other than Brunson
that's a big one and the right pieces around them.
All you really need is the right pieces around you,
and you can go far. You don't need the big three.

(08:18):
I hate when Celtic fans use that as an excuse.
We need one more person. We need to go ahead
and get that third person out there. The Knicks would
die for another person, and they very well may by
next year. But right now, I just love the makeup
of this team, and I think the Celtics are just
using that as an excuse right now.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Jason, Yeah, well, I mean, you know, they've got poor things.
It hasn't been out there for them.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's true. That hurts a little bit.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I think that. And we saw this with the Lakers,
right I mean, they had two guys they had and
you could even like Austin Reeves too, But I think
that it's not about having a big three. But if
you're gonna do it with two, and certainly if you're
gonna do with one, which I don't know if you
can win a championship with one, you can. As you said,
you can go a decent ways. But if you've got

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too all you got to do is make sure that
they're complimented. You don't duplicate them. You can't xerox the
basketball team. That's what Phoenix tried to do. Phoenix tried
to xerox their way copy their way. They had three
eyes batically the exact same thing, and it left holes
everywhere else, including depth, but also defense. And so they

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got beat and their coach got ousted, and apparently they
were already talking to his successor but before they fired him.
So that's a that's a story.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
By the way, I'm just gonna ask you, how long
should you have? How many years should you have before
you really should get fired or if you know that
somebody's just not going to work out, if you get
rid of them right away after your first year, I
should you have at least three years?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Or is that just the old days? You know?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I guess it just it just it's hard to say
that there should be a hard and fast rule because
if it's your money and you're the one that's footing
the bill, if you are relatively sure you know what
this is not working.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
You still got to pay the guy.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, that's true, you still got to pay him. If
you if you just absolutely believe that it can't work,
then I don't think that you sit there on that
for an extra couple of years. Like I don't think
the Chargers thought that that thing was gonna work with
Brandon Staley, and they still brought him back and they
cost themselves a year. Now they end up harball. Now
we'll see what that is. But they wasted a complete year.
They wasted a year justin Herbert's career. They wasted a

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year where their money was in better case.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
If they go a year early, that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Maybe not, maybe not, And so I mean, there's there's
gonna be trade offs there, but I don't like the
unless that coach has done something egregious, right, like if
he's broken a rule, or if there's been like major
issues in the locker room, character issues, those kinds of
things that the teams quit on him, then that's a
different story. But if a coach is working relatively hard

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and you make the playoffs, it's hard to immediately let
that go, let that guy go that quickly. Like I
don't know what happened with the Bucks, but obviously it
didn't last very long with Adrian Griffin. And then you
bring in Doc Rivers and well you see how that's walk.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
He was what thirty and thirteen at that point. I
don't even understand how you make a move on. There's
coaches that have won championships. Let's look up how many
NBA coaches have won Coach of the Year and then
a year or two or three years later they all get.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Fired, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, I mean I can probably five or six of them.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, And I think they're having a
quick trigger with coaches. Usually you're not a good franchise
if you do that. Usually you're gonna be picking in
the lottery a lot more often than not. And it's
not just the obvious, well you've got bad coaches. It's no,
you're not even giving somebody a chance to grow into it.
You're not letting somebody evolve. You're not letting somebody get

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familiar with that organization and its players and its makeup
and its business side and all of that and really
be a part of it. Like you have to give
them some time if you can. If it turns into
a turnstile, I don't think that that works for anybody,
right right, I mean that's the same. Look at the Browns.

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I mean, the Browns finally kept somebody, and look what's happened.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
You You said the owner.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
When the owner gets fed up because it's his money,
it's not the owner that's really making these changes.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
You have to stand that, don't you.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah either MS well, no, no, no, it's either A
the fans are so outraged or B it's the players
like Lebron who is calling the shots for the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
We know, we know that, we know it was Lebron,
of course.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I mean, if it goes back to Magic Johnson does
there's a lot of players that get their coaches fired.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's right. I mean they've gone through what six coaches
in twelve years. But that article that came out in
the Athletic right after they lost, with all these unnamed
sources and players that had just gone and spilled the
t on Darvin Ham, it was just like, man, that
you got those sources real quick, like real quick, almost
like you already had it written.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And they all at the same time too. How about that?
Uh together? How about that?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah? It was amazing how well that coalesced.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I think it was unnamed source day.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
But yeah, and that's why I when I heard I
can't remember who it was, just somebody on Ari or
Ways this week that said just let Lebron be the coach,
and I think it was an NBA guy, like not
not even somebody that covers it. I don't even think
you can do that.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
You can't even be a player coach anymore.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think that's against I don't know effect, in effect,
you should because in effect, he is the one that
runs the show.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
He is the one that's making all the decisions for you.
When you saw that story that they were willing to
bend over backwards, give him every set that they could
possibly pay him, ship whoever they needed to away and
draft his son Like, okay, well we know who owns
the franchise, right, Yes, I know there are people that
are in offices bigger than his in that building, but

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it's his team, it's his franchise at this point. Well,
I either LA fans believe that or not.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I don't blame Genie at all. I think that she
has to do that. There's really they're not gonna win
a championship if he goes what's gonna happen with Anthony Davis.
I think he must keep Lebron around. I would try
to talk it to him about getting Broughty on a
free agent's signature, but obviously he wants to get him
drafted to make him look better. So if you got
to draft him in the second round. So be it
that that's the way it looks, but they still need

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another person.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I mean, it is a charity case to draft him though,
Oh absolutely. I mean if his name, if his last
name was Jones and not James. Right, he's not even
considering he he can't even find an agent.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
He staying school for four years is what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
He's probably not even at USC. Yeah, you know, I
mean that's the pathway has been cleared for him. I
don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Certainly not like rooting for him to fail, but based
on what we've seen him actually do, and even like
the stories of people watching him at the McDonald's All
Star Game and all that, they were just kind of like,
who is this guy?

Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, it's funny you mentioned that do you do
something or you don't. Lebron's doing something. It will probably
end up broddy being on the Lakers. Jerry Rice didn't
do anything to help his son. Right, doesn't even get drafted,
and he's not curious. I was just about to say,
now Jerry's upset. You don't think Jerry could have made
a call to not only San Francisco. But he could

(15:26):
have probably he's probably's those connections to just about every
team in the NFL, you know, people in office, and
he could have made a call today. Can you look
at my kid? He was supposed to be a middle
round draft pick anyway. You know, with jeans like that,
you think somebody would have taken a chance.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
He could have easily made it happen for his kid.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, it seems to me if somebody would have called him, Hey, Jerry,
tell us about your son. Yeah, yeah, you think somebody
would have made that call? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've
got scouts who can watch tape two, But what are
they doing? But I don't know the greatest wide receiver
of all time. I'm probably gonna talk to him, even
if he's going to be a bit biased, obviously in
favor of his son. And here's a story that he's upset.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
That he's supposed to be a middle round draft pick
and he doesn't go, I'll reach out and take him
in the last round, just just on the chance, you know,
let's do it.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Come on, Yeah, all right, So we did. So we
talked a little bit about that. The second game. We
didn't talk too much about the MAVs.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
We will though they said he was drafted. They said
he was drafted the seventh I thought he wasn't drafted.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So yeah, the Chargers actually took him in the seventh round.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh wow, Okay, my bad. I thought that they had
passed on him, So okay, So that's at least the good.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Prball probably likes his last name Rice. Is he related
to Jerry that just draft him. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah,
and I don't necessarily blame him either. Let's talk more
Knicks Pacers when we come back. I think that's a
really interesting series. We will talk a little bit about
the MAVs and the thunder. And I already apologized last
week on this program, and Aaron Torres backed me up

(16:54):
and apologized kind of alongside me. Wow, we had to,
and we'll do it again because yet again, somebody hit
a big shot and somebody has been quiet as a
church mouse on the bad side and has been a
phenomenal teammate on the good side. We'll tell you who
that is, and then we'll talk more about Nick Spacers
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nine two winners today the Celtics and the MAVs getting

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the better of the top seeded thunder in the West.
Here's I told you that I apologized Arnie last week. Yeah,
I apologize Kyrie Irving because he's been great this year.
He's been really good for them and in the playoffs.
I mean, have you heard anything negative coming from Kyrie? No? No, No,
He's just been playing great basketball. And I was sure

(18:43):
that it would not work with him and Luca, and
I'm stunned that it has. But we are to a
place where it might be better to have Kyrie Irving
as your teammate than it is Kevin Durant.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Why we're knocking Kevin Kurt Durant now, are we? It's
amazing because, yeah, how quickly you fall from grace now,
which is what Kevin Durant has gone. You know, somebody
brought up a good point. When we look back at
his career, we're just gonna think Kevin Durant the individual.
We're not going to really associate him with any team,
are we. I Mean, he's he's been bounced around, won
a championship, but we don't associate him with Golden State

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or Brooklyn or Phoenix or wherever out there. But you're right,
Kyrie's been fantastic. I can't knock him. He's been really
good for them.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
So far and certainly hit a crucial shot late that
held onto that win for the MAVs. So they lost
the first game of the series and they won two
since and now they are they're in good position against
a young thunder team that's really good, but they are
now in a spot they've never been in before where
they are the hunted, not the hunters. Right, that's the

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number one seed, and the MAVs have been in the
playoffs for a couple of years, and Kyrie's won a
title before, and Luca has seemingly become a better teammate
this year than in years past. And I wasn't sure
that he was going to It just didn't seem like
it was his style that you were just gonna have
to take the good with the bad, and sometimes you

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still do. But they have complimented each other a lot
better than I would have thought, Like when you think
about how they get Kyrie and they lose Brunson prior
to that and the MAP, I mean, the MAVs at
one point had Brunson and they had Luca. I don't
and Brunson was playing well. I don't think anybody thought
Brunson was going to be fourth in the MVP voting

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the way that he was this year and step out
the way that he has for the Knicks. I mean,
he's become the heart and soul of the team, right,
So let's talk about that because that's your squad. Yes,
and they're relevant, and I actually I'm excited that they
are relevant. It's I think I think the NBA is
better with a Knicks that is not an embarrassment. Quite frankly,

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I think it's a I like Madison Square Garden to matter.
I like that atmosphere and the way everything has felt.
It's been a really good series. It's been hard fought,
it's been closed, it's been tight. You've seen a lot
of big time shots made on both sides. But I'm
gonna say this from the Pacers perspective, and I teased
this earlier, there is something missing with the Indiana Pacers,

(21:19):
Like down the stretch, I do not believe in them.
They end up winning Game three, I'm kind of shocked
by it. Tyrese Halliburton is an outstanding player and we
don't even know if he's gonna be able to go.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
He's questionable for Game number four right now.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yes, I mean he's got like three different ailments and
it doesn't sound good. But I'm sure he's gonna try
to cut it out, but it kind of blew me
away watching Game three late how he was afraid to
take shots like he was just not He was trying
to get the ball out of his hands pretty much
at any cost late, and he was I mean, he

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was draining shots early. He's got Caitlyn cheering for him
in the hands when he hits the fifth three in
the first half. He's passing to Pascal Siakam, who's shooting
like fifteen percent from the free throw line right in
the playoffs, I think it's legitimately like forty some percent.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
So I think the double team him to get the
ball out of his hands a couple of times, and
then he spotted his teammates open. I mean, they do
score a lot of points, so there are a lot
of scorers on that team, and it doesn't all have
to be him.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I know it starts with him.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
He's a great passer too, leads the team and the cists,
lead the league and has.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Says, so you know, he certainly could do it all.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
He doesn't have to always shoot, and even though he
was on fire, that's when you have to certainly pull
the trigger.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Though that's It just seems to be like there's something
different between watching him, there's a difference in his mentality,
as good as he is and Jalen Brunson's. Brunson goes
right into you, forces the issue, takes the tough shot,
clearly wants the ball in his hands, trusts himself in

(22:58):
those moments to make the right decisions. Halliburton, you mentioned
that they doubled him a few times. They did, but
there were also sometimes they didn't, And it seems like
you wanted to get the ball out of his hands
also in that moment You've got to have. The Pacers
need a guy who wants the ball in that moment
all the time. Doesn't just want it in the second
quarter to keep you down three or to keep you

(23:21):
up five, wants it in the fourth quarter when it's clutching.
It's tough. And I didn't see that from him the
way that I wanted to in Game three. But I
think that all three of these games. Yeah, we can
talk the refs, and maybe we will after we hear
from Kevin Wyert here in a second, but I think
they've all come down to which team rebounded better in
the last five minutes. Of the game. The Knicks got

(23:43):
like every key offensive rebound insg and in Game three
there were like three four possessions of the last ten
probably where the Pacers had three shots every time when
they hit the ball. Yeah, the big three, that's right.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Big three was off and off offensive rebound.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
And by the way, let that be a lesson everybody
to get into just because you can't grab the ball
to get the offensive rebound.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I love what the Knicks do.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
They slapped that ball out there and tip it up
and smack it out there and they track it on down.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
You don't have to grab it, just hit it out there.
Your guy will grab.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
It, you know. Yeah, that's absolutely right. So we will
jump back into this discussion and we'll talk about the
Rev Show a little bit when we come back. Let's
go out to uh let's go out to Sherman Oaks Final.
What's happening in the world of sports and take it
to Kevin Wire. Kevin.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
Yeah, the Celtics and Cavaliers has gone final not too
long ago, and it is Boston taking a two to
one series lead.

Speaker 7 (24:40):
From the the final seconds tick off the clock and
it's like a rerun roundhog Day again and again and again.
The Celtics lose a game at home, then come on
the road and wrestle home court advantage right back. The
final score in Game three Boston one oh six, Cleveland
ninety three. The Celtics leave the series two games to one.
That was the Celtics radio work with the call. Boston

(25:01):
taking that two to one series lead, largely thanks to
the work, I mean, as it often does. Jason Tatum
three thirty three points on eleven at twenty five shooting.
Jalen Brown had twenty eight points, Drew Holliday had eighteen,
So a lot of guys contributing for the Celtics, but
for the Cavaliders there's really Donovan Mitchell. Evan Mobley also
helped out a bit too, but really they didn't get
much other help at all from the rest of their teammates.

(25:23):
Mitchell had thirty three points, Mobley at seventeen. We did
see Darius Garland come on strong a little toward the end,
so we ended up finishing with fifteen, but for the
most part it was just Mitchell and Mobley getting it
done for the Cavaliers as they.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Come up short.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
Donovan Mitchell went seven to twelve shooting from beyond the
three point line. Did the rest of the team combine
five of twenty four, so it really was a struggle
for anyone not named Donovan Mitchell or Evan Mobley. In
the game featween the Mavericks and the thunder Dallas wins
at one oh five, one on one. They take a
two to one lead in that series. The big three

(25:57):
for the Mavericks getting it done PJ. Washington, Kyrie, Irving,
Luka Doncic combining for seventy one points. Washington with twenty seven,
Kyrie and Luca each with twenty two. Luca also had
himself fifteen rebounds and five assists. Shake Guiltis Alexander had
a great game, came up just short, but he left

(26:17):
it all out on the court thirty one points, ten rebounds,
six assists, five blocks. That's actually the second most in
a single game by a point guard in NBA history.
Fred Van Fleet did get six in a game back
on January twenty fourth, But other than that, a bunch
of guys tied with Shake Guiltes Alexander with five blocks

(26:37):
as a point guard in a single game. In the
NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs, Hurricane Stay Alive in their series,
with the Rangers winning at four to three, so they're
now behind in that series three games to one. One
game going on right now, Stars and Avalanche up in Denver.
They're in the middle of the second period and it
is Dallas leading this one two to one. Major League

(26:58):
Baseball everything most everything, actually, all but two games have
gone final, Athletics leaving the Mariners two to one. They're
in the eighth inning, Angels pounding the Royals nine to three.
They're in the seventh out in Anaheim, but everything else
has concluded. Dodgers finished off the Padres five to nothing.
Rockies over the Rangers eight three. Brewers come back to
beat the Cardinals five to three, Giants over the Reds
five to one. White Sox edge the Guardians three one.

(27:21):
Tiger's bough at the Astros eight to two, Red Sox
over the Nationals four to two. Phillies beat the Marlins
eight to three, Raise over the Yankees seven to two,
Braves beat the Mets four to one, Pirates outlast the
Cubs ten to nine, and the Orioles edge the Diamondbacks
five to four.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Back to you, guys, Thank you, Kevin. Welcome back into
ireck dot com. Studios, Fox Sports Saturday. He's Arnie Spanier,
I'm Jason Martin. All right, back to Nick's Pacers. Yeah,
how do you feel about the officiating?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
You know, first of all, I'm not gonna cry about
it the way Carlisle is. It's starting to just be
a little bit too much. The whole we're gonna send
in one hundred and seventy two plays that they melt
it with seventy seventy six I think. But yes, it's ridiculous.
It's absolutely ridiculous. And you know, look, there's a lot
of plays we can call like that. I could have
said the same thing in Game three was a goaltending

(28:13):
on the on the Jason hard shot. You know how
many times they they admitted that they made a mistake
where they were holding a heart and shine it happens,
it's gonna be basketball. That being said, the referees are
horrible at their job. They really really are. Look, if
they're gonna go ahead and at least, you know, miss calls,

(28:34):
they're missing.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
It both ways. So I could at least be happy
about that.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
And I do like the fact consistently horrific.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, right, And I do like the fact that they
don't call everything. The last thing we want is a
free throw shooting contest. But wow, do they miss a
lot of calls or what?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
The kickball is? Just the kickball in game one.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Is double dribble by heart, double dribble from what he
was just as bad.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
What do you watch now?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
What did you possibly see that you think that was
a double dribble?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
I could see you know where maybe he used his
other hand to dribble and you just missed it.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
It happens, Jason, you missed that.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
You don't want to whistle.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
It wasn't even close though it was.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Somebody gonna pointed him. I mean, it's Rick Carlisle, really
gonna point him, say that's a double dribble. No, I
have a hard time believing it now. Carlisle, Yeah, is
for his situation. We know what he was doing, right,
and he got fined thirty five grand, but he just
wanted to get a couple of extra calls in game.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Three, right, absolutely, And so mean he.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Gets ejected in game two, he kind of goes off
the deep end in the press conference. They send a
thousand calls to the league, all of that kind of stuff,
and then maybe they get a few calls in Game three,
and maybe they get a few calls in Game four,
and the officials are a little bit extra tuned to
try and kind of balance this thing back out, and

(29:59):
so it's a little bit of game samesmanship. Now. I
do think that they got hose in game one. I do.
I think that in Game three the Knicks the Knicks.
I don't know that they got hose, but they definitely
came up on the short end of some calls that
they were not coming up short on at Madison Square Garden.
I don't think that I think watching it, not from

(30:20):
the official standpoint, I do think the Knicks are the
better basketball team. I do. I think they are a
more cohesive, tougher, more physical and again because they're playing
kind of at the heartbeat of Jalen Brunston, there's something
different about them. There's a toughness about them that you

(30:42):
really like. It's kind of similar to what you're seeing
in Minnesota to some degree, even though it didn't work
out for him in Game three, when they were playing
like by the heartbeat of Karl Anthony Towns, there was
something that didn't feel quite right. But now that you're
playing with the heartbeat of Anthony Edwards, everything's a little
bit different for them. I think that's what it is
like they are They are playing of the pulse of

(31:06):
a really really competitive, hard nos tough minded and in
a lot of ways if you listen to him, humble
to some degree star in Jayalen Brunson, and that's made
all the difference for them, it has.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I mean, first of all, to go to Anthony Edwards,
he's just been phenomenal. It's it's it's just what he's
been able to do. And I mean he's just gonna
get better and better. I know people are comparing him
to Michael Jordan. I would obviously pump the brakes because
part of the comparison is not only the game being
played on the court, but how many championships you won.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
He's not won none, so you can't.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Really go to that, and that's that's getting absolutely ridiculous.
But he has one hell of a player. Brunson's just
been phenomenal. I mean the points he's put up, the
thirty five plus points, forty point games, they're double teaming them,
they're hitting them hard.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
He's not one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
You can see that last game he was really just
just struggling.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
He's missed time.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I mean, they had to take him out of the
game last game, He's missed his first three shots and
then he hurt his ankle. So how the Knicks were
able to even stay close. I would have bet my
life on the Pacers in Game three minus seven and
a half, I thought they were gonna win by fifty.
I thought the Knicks were just gonna say, I give up,
We're gonna punt, we're gonna arrest everybody, and we're just
gonna give you the game. They did not do that

(32:27):
at all. They play with a heart, they play with toughness.
You gotta love the villain over three. As you mentioned Dante,
he's just I mean, except for Steph Curry, how many
better three point shooters are there than him?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
He's just been phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
It's just been a great series, and really the Knicks
are the only intriguing team people really.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Want to see. You know that, don't you?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
People is a plural term. Party. Yes, you are referring
to yourself. That's say person, yeah, okay you yes. Now
look again, this of the I mean those two series,
the Wolves Nuggets unfortunately hasn't gone down to the wire
in these games. I think of the of all of

(33:11):
the series so far this playoffs, that one's been the best. Like,
I've really enjoyed that Dix Pacers. I've watched almost every
dribble of that series and it's just been great, great stuff.
And I hope that it's gonna go pretty long. I
know you're hoping that, you know it will not, You're
hoping it'll be over in five, but I tend to
think it's gonna go longer than that. But there's definitely

(33:32):
some gamesmanship going on, and injuries are starting to pile up. Annobe.
They need him back and they need him to be
something for them.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I don't know if they're going to get him back this.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I don't know if they are not, but it feels, man,
he was unreal in that game. They needed all of
them too, with brunts and missing so much time and
then finding his way back on the floor, and then
of course they at once the momentum came and he
was on the floor in that game. You knew that
were gonna win that game. Yeah, you know, that was

(34:01):
easy to see coming.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
He's still just so banged up though, you just worry
about him taking a shot getting knocked to the ground.
The Pacers are getting the calls at home. It's home cooking.
That's what you have there for it, just like the
Knick Scott at home. So it'll be I think it's
gonna be a great game for even without Og, they're
gonna have to find a way to win this. I
think Brunson's gonna be okay. He wasn't even listed on

(34:25):
the injury report, so that's good to see. I'm not
so sure that hal Burton's gonna play this game if
it's the bad back. If it's the bad back guy,
I agree with you. If it's the bad back, then
he's not gonna be able to get on the court.
And I don't think he's gonna be able to play.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, that's that's. They can't win without him because they
can't score enough because they don't play defense anyway. So
it's not like they're gonna go out there and hold
the Knicks to eighty points. Find a way to win.
That's their problem. They have to have him scoring twenty
five minimum.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
You say they you can't win. Here's a little pet
peeve of mine.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
There's how many guys on the team fifteen? What are guys,
he's eleven through. What are you paying the guys eleven
through fifteen to four? What are you paying them a
million or.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Two lines for five million dollars a year?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Their reactions to big threes in dunks are priceless.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Well, I mean, seriously, though, way you can't play these guys.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
You're paying them.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
You can play them, but are they gonna go in
and are they gonna go in and shoot eleven for nineteen?
From the field?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Bird had fourteen points?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Did you see that?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
He came in at fourteen points? You gotta trust these guys.
They're on the team for a reason, Jason. Look, they
should be able to give you minutes. The Nick players
are just so tired and spent. You can't even put
these guys in for five minutes. What do you what
are you paying them for if you can't play them
for five minutes?

Speaker 1 (35:41):
So when we come back a thought experiment, The Celtics
are the number one seed in the East. We've talked
a lot of Knicks. If you had the choice to
take one of the stars of the Celtics or the
star of the Knicks straight up, and I don't mean
one on one, I mean you could you could have
one of them. You could trade one side to get
the other side. Would you do it? We'll discuss when

(36:04):
we come back. It's Fox Sports Saturday, Fox Sports Radio.
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. Welcome back, Tyreck
dot Com Studios. It's Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox
Sports Radio. Ten minutes away from Mother's Day. Oh boy
in the East.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I'm always not sure what to do because my mom's
not around anymore. Do I do something for my wife
or I just let my son take care of all that.
I just I always wonder should get her a card,
get her something? And I always end up getting her nothing.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
So well, I mean, my wife is, you know, the
mother of our two daughters, right, And I realized, just
because of everything else that's been going on and my
second daughter now just being six weeks old and all
that's gone into that, and just trying to survive during
this timeframe, I forgot to get a RECRD. Oh and

(36:55):
I thought I was gonna be able to get out today,
but something happened and we weren't able to get out.
And so I'm going into Mother's Day cardless and.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
That's where you get paper, and yet you draw one
out you know the homemade card now, Yeah, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Gonna find a way to sneak out and get one tomorrow.
I did get her a very small gift because we
kind of we got a large gift for giving birth,
so that kind of yeah, that kind of included everything
that was going on. But yeah, Happy Happy Mother's Day
to all the mothers out there, and of course we
know it's something it could be a difficult day for

(37:29):
a lot of people out there, so we're we're with
you tomorrow. Jaywen Brunson, Jason Tatum, Jayleen Brown, whatever whoever
else you want to throw into the mix. Would you
trade Brunson for Tatum? Would you trade Brunson for Jayleen Brown?

(37:50):
Would you trade Bruntson for anybody on the top seated Celtics?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Right now, I'll give you three answers to that. No,
I would not Tradealen Brown. Excuse me, Brunson for Tatum.
I'm keeping Brunson. I would not trade Brunson for Jalen Brown.
So I'm still keeping Brunson because that's how much I
love Brunson. And here's the kicker, I'm not even traded
Brunson for both.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Tatum and Brown.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yes, you can.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
You could keep them both.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'll build around Brunson. You could build around Tatum and Brown.
So I'm not trading him for one, either one or
the other, or even both of them. I'm happy with Brunson.
I like his attitude. I like the way he fits
in with his teammates. You would think you would have
thought the Celtics would have won a championship by now
with those two. It hasn't happened. And they've had good

(38:39):
coaches out there. They've been through some, but they've had
some good coaching. I just I'm not I'm not making
a move. Brunson is going to be with me.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah see, I'm with you, and that's frightening. But completely
agree with you a million percent. I think you build
around Brunson too, because again I like I like the
pulse that he puts on that team, and I like
the competitors and just the edge that comes with the
physicality and the way that they force the issue. They've
got guys that believe over there and the c I

(39:09):
don't know what it is with the Celtics, but it's
just even though they're the number one seed, they still
it does not feel the edge is not there.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
They're not a scary number one seed. Yeah, they're not
a scary number one seed at all. I do not
fear them whatsoever. I think a lot of teams will
love to take a crack at them. To be honest
with you, they'll go ahead and make it to the
Eastern Conference Finals and probably get by the next because
they'll be well rested and they're deeper and they're healthier.
But I hope that series drags out a little bit longer.

(39:40):
Kind of even things up.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Would you come closer to trading Brunson for Donovan Mitchell
than either one of those two guys? No, no, no,
I was just curious.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
No, I would.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I would love to have Donovan Mitchell on my team.
But then again, then you're taking away from Brunson. I
know Brunson needs help, and there's talk about getting him
some help, but I don't need somebody take away shots
from him.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Really.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
No, I mean I agree with you, I'm not disagreeing.
I was just curious if you felt stronger about Mitchell
than you did the two Celtics players. Yeah, all right,
we'll come back, we'll reset what happened in the NBA
on Saturday. We're gonna look a little bit into the
Lakers coaching search as well, because what in the world
is happening and it's not gonna be coach Buttonholzer that much.

(40:23):
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Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yes to this Happy Mother's Day everybody out there.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
If you forgot that, I don't know what to tell
you because the restaurant you want to go to is
probably not going to be available for you.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I already ordered the flowers for my mother in law,
so hopefully I'm stressing that she didn't get it or
she's not going to get it to my I looked
at my credit card. They hadn't charge me yet. I
go as you call them up to make sure they're
going to do it. But hopefully she'll get her flowers.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
You know, well they're good, nice work by you. Thank you.
Flowers or flowers are usually a crowd pleaser, although not
for my own mother. My own mother can't handle like cents,
oh so many dollars and cents, I mean smells, so
flowers would not be a good thing for her.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
No.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
No, that's when you do the brunch thing. That's when
brunches on the schedule or something like that.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, that's right, something something to that, something to that effect. Yes,
I would agree with you. So we talked a lot
about uh. We talked about the Celtics and the Calves
a bit, not necessarily about the Calves and specifics, more
the Boston side of things. We didn't talk much about
the early game. It's a good one. Maverick's kind of
in control and then we're able to hit the big

(42:08):
shot with Kyrie with a hand in his face to
take the series lead to one on the Oklahoma City.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Are people into the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Are are people into the NBA playoffs because we don't
have the Lakers, really the only big market. We have
other New York Dicks, we have the Oklahoma City. We
got Minnesota. Minnesota is a fun and exciting team, but
it's Minnesota. I mean, people are just realizing they have
a team right now. Are people getting into it? Or
because we don't have the big names. There's no Golden
State out there. There's no Steph Curry, there's nothing like that,

(42:39):
you know, but.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
We do have Draymond Green calling your Nicks a fluke
on his podcast. That's States because they're in the East
and they're beating a bunch of mid teams.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Well, he was losing a viewers or listeners, so he
had to go ahead and say something stupid, to go
ahead and get them to come on back or something.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
And no, it's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I saw him say stuff like that, and let him
go ahead and stir it up.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
But he couldn't.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
He couldn't be more wrong about what he was saying.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I mean, you better stir it up on the podcast
because you're not stirring it up on a basketball court.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I saw that they were looking to trade him.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I don't know if that was a bad rumor or what,
but they were gonna do everything in the offseason to
go ahead and move him.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I mean, I don't know what what benefit he brings
you at this point. I mean, he has done a
lot of good things for your franchise, don't get me wrong, right,
but at this point, what's the plus minus ratio and
positive to negative ratio and what you're getting out of
Draymond Green in the twenty twenty four to twenty five season.
I would say that's gonna be way in the negative.

(43:37):
And if they get rid of try to get out
from underneath that. I would have but I would have
done that last year. I wouldn't have had him back
this year.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
So always better to get rid of somebody a year
earlyer than a year late. That's do we get the
Patriot way? If they get rid of Draymond Green, does
that mean they want to keep a Clay or maybe
they're gonna get rid of him both?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
And I think they're worth both of them.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I think I think the only one that really Yeah,
and he's still phenomenal, so you still keep him, and
I think you Clay's best days or behind him hadn't
been the same since he came back from the injury,
but he obviously he has given you still some spark
from time to time after that. But I think most
people think maybe not. But the going feeling I guess

(44:19):
is he's gonna end up playing for the Lakers to
finish his career where his dad played and where.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
His dad's you're talking about Clay, Well, I know Orlando
was going to offer him the Moon, so maybe he'll
end up there. Maybe he'll go ahead and chase the
money and do something like that. My question is, if
you're a guy that can force a trade like well,
not like Kevin Duramt, but maybe a Donovan Mitchell or
something like that, would you rather go to the Lakers
and play with Lebron or would you rather go to
Golden State and play with Steph?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Those are your choices.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I would probably say Golden State. And it's not even
necessarily just a Lebron versus Steph thing, right, I think
it's a I would rather go play for Steve Kerr
than whatever unnamed basketball coach is gonna be in LA,
And I trust the way that that team seems to
build itself more so than I do LA right now,

(45:14):
And if you're a guy like Mitchell, for example, You've
still got several years left in the league.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Well, Kevin Durant and force of his way, I don't
know if anybody. I don't think he'd ever go back
to Golden State. I don't think that's a possibility.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
They always talk about.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Devin Booker, but I don't think Booker will be wants
leave Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah he may not. I yeah, Durant would can go
back to Golden State. I agree with you on that.
I do. I'm still expecting Durant somewhere else, but maybe
Budenholzer keeps him there. I don't know. I would say
if I were Durant, I would probably go with the
Lakers because he is also in a spot where he's
played a ton of minutes and he's been in the
league forever, and if he's gonna win another win, he's

(45:53):
gonna win it right now. He's gonna win it over
the next couple of years. Lebron's not gonna be there
in three years. Davis, whatever's left of Anthony Davis, you're
getting the best of that right now. So you go
there right now and you go try to win next year.
That's that's kind of to me. That's about it.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I think that's a great fit for the Lakers if
they get Kevin Durant, and I don't know what it
would cost them to again, it would.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Cost them either, we would cost them a lot.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Who knows nowadays, maybe they just want to get rid
of that salary. But if you have to take some
in return, so it really doesn't make much of a difference.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I don't know how they would work it out.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I don't either. I'm just saying just from if I
were Kevin Durant, that's probably the kind of team I
would look for. I'm not looking for a team that
over the next handful of years has a bunch of
draft picks and they're gonna be able to build around
me and all this, because I know that you can't
build around me five years from now. I need to
be a key contributor on a team that is ready

(46:46):
to win right now, not a team that is on
the come up.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Put him on the Lakers, and all of a sudden,
they're championship caliber with him, Lebron and AD no doubt
about that.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
That's for sure.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, I would, I would say that's true now and
then you wonder if you have those guys, do you
have the situation Golden State had at one point where
a lot of really talented dudes are willing to take
the league minimum to come in and try to win
a championship. You saw that happen in Golden State, where
they were able to get guys that you would have
never expected to take a deal to go to Golden

(47:18):
State to play for that little money just to win,
like a David West or somebody like that. They would
just pop in and play for like two million dollars
or whatever the league minimum is, just because you know
they might end up with a ring.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
I don't know if they're gonna take something like that.
Maybe they were willing to take a little bit less.
But anybody with any talent out there is not going
to be playing for hope not yeah from two million
dollars a year, So that's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
They maybe somebody.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
At the end of their career, but even then you're
gonna get more money than that.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
So I don't see that happening, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
So we're talking about guys towards the end of their career.
Let's go talk about Minnesota and Denver here just a
little bit. So Denver's the defending champion. Jokic has now
won his third MVP, much to Shaquille O'Neil's chagrin as
that I knew that was like as soon as that happened,
I was watching that live, Arnie, and I thought, this

(48:11):
is why you can't lose inside the NBA. This is
why TNT losing that show would be so catastrophic, because
this just doesn't happen anywhere else, right, And I heard
what Shannon Sharp said about how Shaq is jealous of
Da Kola Jokic and all this, because if you didn't

(48:32):
see it, Shaq was upset and he said he believed
that Shakkil, just Alexander should have been the MVP. Right,
And if you understand Shaquille O'Neill's perspective dating back to
the time when he was playing, you would know that
what Shannon Sharp is saying is nonsense. Now, maybe he
is jealous, but it's not shown through this.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
It's funny you what you're okay with Shaquille O'Neil's saying
something like that to Jokic in an interview, But if
you said it, you'd be ridiculed.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
You know that, don't you, of course?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
But I'm not Shaquille O'Neil.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
No, but you would be destroyed in the media, they'd say.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Jason Martin Fox Sports Radio had the nerve to say
to Jolkic he didn't think he was the MVP.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Well, what'd you have mine? We we would be roasting you.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Well here's yeah, that's true. But here's the thing, right,
So they have the discussion where they reveal who won
it Barkley. Barkley gets the honors, and so he opens
the car and he says, here's Nicole Jokic winning his
third MVP, And immediately or he says, Shaquille and Neil
your thoughts because he's going to ask all three of
them their thoughts, right, And he goes to Shaq, and
Shaq says, I won't be the first one to say

(49:36):
I would have given it to SGA. I think he
deserved it because I've been on that's fair end up
being second and all this kind of stuff. So he
does this, and they don't really have time to get
to Kenny, but they talk a little bit to Barkman,
not a lot, because they've got Yolkic coming on the air, right,
so he comes on. They don't even go to commercial break.
They go right to Jokic and Shaq immediately says, hey,

(49:57):
I want you to hear it from me first. All like,
no disrespect, but I think that shake Gilgas Alexander should
have been the MVP. And I'm thinking to myself, like,
there's no problem here. He's not trying to stir anything up.
He's basically he just spo He just spent time on
the air saying I would have gone with the other.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
You have to start.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
So he wants to go ahead and say, hey, this
is what I just said before you hear it come
from somebody else.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Does he have to start with that?

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Katie just said, hey, congratulations, he did say that. Okay,
you don't have to write off the bad you know,
jump down the guy's don't say I don't think he
deserved it though, you know what I mean, I give
it to somebody else.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Well, it's not like he didn't deserve it. He just
felt like Gildas Alexander had had the season where he
deserved it, not that Jokic had not done you know
that he wasn't a deserving guy. He's like, you're outstanding
and he gave him the props and he was just like,
I want you to hear this from me because I
just said it. And I was think, it's fine. But
again back to what Shannon Sharp said, which was just wrong.

(50:57):
I remember watching this show and I actually have it.
I have it, guys. I have a digital file of
it now because I liked it so much. I went
and found it. At the time, they did show on
NBA TV and maybe they even ran it during an
All Star weekend. This was probably eight or nine years
ago something like that. It was before I even think
Shack had taken over a chair on inside the NBA

(51:17):
when it was still just Ernie Kenny and Charles, but
Shaq was starting to pop around and he had retired
a few years prior in all this, so they had
all these guys and included like Isaiah Thomas and Dennis
Scott and I think Steve Smith and like a lot
of the guys that you've seen around NBA TV and
TNT for a long time. And they're all sitting around

(51:39):
and they're talking about the NBA Fifty, because they had
invited the fifty best players in NBA history to the
All Star Weekend and they they wore their jackets and
all this. Of course Barkway is one of them, and
so they're talking to him, and they're talking to Isaiah
and all of these things. And then they start discussing
who would be the next ten on the list and
that becomes to the debate for the hour. And so

(52:01):
they go through a bunch of guys and they list
them and they talk about, well, who's on the and
this is like early in Durant's career, but they're already
talking about Durant and they're talking about Dwayne Wade and
some of these guys. But they get to Steve Nash.
And when they talk about Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neill goes off,
He goes insane. He and he point blank says, he's

(52:26):
just like, you know, that was a nice MVP that
they decided to give him. Wow and because he finished
second to Steve Nash twice in the MVP voting. And Kenny,
I think it's Kenny, then tries to stand up for
Steve Nash and he's just man, Nash had these amazing years,
man data, all this kind of stuff. It's like he

(52:46):
and Shaquille like he didn't get in his face, but
he leans up in his chair and he says something
to the effect of over me, ain't no way, like
he's furious, he's still upset by this. He is still
It's it's like when Jordan had his Hall of Fame
speech and couldn't help but go after everybody that has
slighted him in any way during his career. We all

(53:08):
know how incredible Shaquille O'Neal is, but he cannot take criticism.
He's never been able to take that, and he's never
gotten over being second to Steve Nash twice. If you listen. Yeah,
so if you listen to his argument about Jokic, what
he's saying is and he even says this, He says,

(53:29):
I was second twice. He's like, I know what it's
like to be second when you know you're the best.
He's like, because then it goes blank slate. Then I
have to go work all this hard again to get
to this spot when I did enough to win it.
And he's just like, so, I know what SGA is
going through right now, because I think he had an
MVP season and he deserved it, but they go with

(53:49):
another guy, and now he's got to start all over again. Well,
you can say he's going back to his own experience.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Right right, And I understand that you can say the
same thing for jokin If he didn't win it, you
could say, well, you deserved it. You had another MVP
type season, but you already have one, which is probably
the reason why you didn't get it. But he did
get it. It's an individual award. I don't get too
you know, bent out of shape about it. Anyway, It's
it's surprising to see that Shack has held a grudge.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
All these years still hasn't let it go.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Wow, I am shocked.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I mean, I would rather win championships, no doubt about it,
than win an MVP.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I think that's probably the.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Only thing he didn't accomplish in his career, because he
won MVP of the playoffs, of the finals, I mean,
but he never woned of this season. So I think
that's probably one thing that sticks out with him for
a long time, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, I mean, he hasn't gotten over it. And even
as he's discussing the Jokich Sga thing, you can almost
hear Jokic being replaced by Steve Nash and him replacing
Sga in the discussion. Like, because I had watched this
special so many times through the years, because I liked
it so much. I knew he was saying because I

(55:01):
saw him get very upset with his own colleagues in
the room just for suggesting that Steve Nash should be
a part of a discussion for the ten best of
the New Century or whatever that would get added to
the NBA fifty.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah, let's get Steve Nash on the show and let's
see them debate a little bit. That would be That
would be musty TV. By the way, do you think
the show's gonna go away?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Now?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
What's gonna happen with them if they don't get the
NBA rights.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I don't understand what Warner is doing in general, What
Warner Brothers Discovery is doing in general.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Is aslov like.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
And I mean in everything that Warner Brothers is touching
right now, they seem to be doing things that are
tanking themselves. I don't really understand, like they're they're undercutting this.
They don't want to pay as much, but they still
value the NBA product. I saw somebody say, what does
anybody watch on TNT outside of the NBA?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Right?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
And I mean I know that they they had their
shows from time to time, you know, leverage. It's been
a while, and of course they had some other stuff
since then, but a lot of it was kind of
held up by being advertised in the NBA. They've got
Holy Wrestling now, which I does fairly well from a
cable standpoint, but even that's kind of flatlined a little bit,

(56:16):
and maybe plateaued and marche the last year. Yeah, and
they've got March Madness, but that's not gonna be theirs
forever either. They got high playoffs and sure five people
are watching that. You what do you want me to say? Like, no, yeah,
I mean yeah, if they leave, And Barkley even said
when he says, like, you know, if Inside goes away,

(56:38):
if TNT loses it, does that mean you're a free agent?
Barkley's first comment was yes.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yeah, he put it in his contract out if they
lost the NBA, he would become a free agent. Ernie said,
I guess this comes from Barkley that Ernie's going to
stay and continues.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
So I don't know what's gonna happen with you.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
As long as Ernie's been with Turner, Like dating back
to Braves, coverage the NBA on TBS and the Atlanta
Hawks and all of that kind of stuff, Like there's
just an Ernie. Ernie's a different guy. I think Ernie.
I think Ernie's just I don't even Ernie somewhere else
would even feel right, Like that would be real strange

(57:15):
to watch.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I don't know what they would do though, Yeah, well
what they said they could do the same thing, could they.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Nobody's gonna watch them if they don't have the games.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
No, I agree, But I mean he also loves baseball,
and they've got their baseball package and they've got some
other things he could get. They'd find a way to get.
You find a way to get that guy as involved
as he wants to be, exactly because there's nobody better
than Ernie Johnson. But I don't think that Barkley and
those guys are anywhere near as good without Ernie being

(57:45):
that guy that kind of plays the referee in the
middle and the one that keeps everything moving. A lot
of times we forget how important that guy can be. Uh,
and Ernie has been all time great at it for
a long time. When we come back, we're gonna talk
about this Lakers coaching thing. Yeah, who's taking this job.
We've got some odds so we can give you those

(58:09):
who should want this job. And do you look at
this and say, are you even gonna do better than
what you just had if you're about to bring in
somebody with no coaching experience. We'll talk about all of
that when we come back. It's Fox Sports Saturday here
on Fox Sports Radio live from the Tireck dot com studios.

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who doesn't want to hear Arnie say something twice?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Like you not hear him?

Speaker 1 (58:58):
And then you have the opportunity to go back. I
can hear that again. I can't imagine why our subscriptions
wouldn't take off after that.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Rate me the highest, Rate me the highest. Everybody, go
ahead and do that.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I don't think you can rate.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
You can't do that something. You just rate the feed, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Which is good for us because I mean if we
were just like we're not just at your mercy like
there's there are other people that are associated with it
as well.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, So Anonobi out for Game four, Game five, h
not looking good either there, Arenie.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I don't think he's gonna come back to the rest
of the series. I mean, when you have an injury
like that, the hamstring, it's uh, it's something that's probably
gonna take your weeks to go ahead and get over
something like that. Hopefully he could come back for the
Boston Series if the Knicks make it that far.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
When the Knicks make it that far.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
But that's that's a huge loss for the Knicks and
Julius Randall boy, we could use him right now, how
about that?

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah, that would probably help. Maybe you could get Charles Oakley.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, he's not allowed. He's not coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Though, No, he's not. And so he had come out
and said, you know, I guess they want me back,
but they're gonna have Adulte's gonna have to apologize first
because they've shown a lot of Stefan Marbury at MSG.
You saw a lot of Marbury there on the baseline.
The trishprete Well has been there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Starks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah, yeah, Starks has been there. And so Oakley said this,
and then the Knicks, like MSG spokesperson came out and said,
now what oak was saying is not true. He was
not invited back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Wow, So they still they always hold the grudge. Also,
do they pay for those seats or they give them
away for free? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I don't you know, I get the field.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I don't think John Starks is paying twenty five thousand
or how much are those He's like one hundred thousand
or something with.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
What with what Starks did for the Knicks. And I
say this to somebody that'd absolutely hated him when he played,
which is why I know he was good, right like,
because he irritated me because of how good he was,
how clutch he was, and just how like he was
a guy that definitely could needle you, for sure, But
a lot of guys did. I mean, Reggie was that guy.

(01:01:06):
And then of course you had multiple dudes for the
heat and all this. But John Starks was so good
for the Knicks right, he should never pay for anything
in but I see him. His story is unreal like that.
There should be like documentaries about John Starks and how
he ended up in the NBA, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I don't see him because he didn't make as much
money as the modern day guys. I can't see him
forking over one hundred or two hundred thousand dollars for
a front row seat like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
You know, No, I mean I hope he didn't pay
a cent. No, I'm sure, I hope they just put
him in the building. Like I feel like, it's good
karma if you have that guy in the building.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I'm sure they did. I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I'm sure they gave it to him for free. Like
I said, those guys can't afford to becoming the game
after gaming and paying that. Now, Spike Lee's a different story.
He pays for Yeah, he pays for his tickets, no
doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I mean, that's how they helped pay other salaries on
that team, is through what he pays. I'm not saying
he's like, I'm not suggesting it's like anil here. I'm
just saying, you know, he's he spends a lot of
money on that organization. I'd actually be curious if they
do actually comp him some seats at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Who's Spike.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yeah, no, if he's actually paying everything, he's paid it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I don't think he gets wrong with Dolan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I've heard him tell some stories about that. Yeah, I
don't think he gets wrong with Dolan at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
So odds you sent this to me. Odds for the
next Lakers head coaches from bet online. Okay, Kenny Atkinson
is plus one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
He's the assistant up in Golden State.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, and he was. He was the one with.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Yeah, assistant, he was a head coach, hasn't been head
coaching four years though.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
He was the one that they had to and you know,
jettison out of there to get Steve nash in. Much
to Quille O'Neil's chagrine, JJ Reddick plus one fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Second favorite to go ahead and get it. It's truly Bobby.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
He's moving up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Quickly up the ranks there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
And I wonder I said this last week already with
no disrespect intended towards JJ Reddick here. Yeah, why And
I mean I know why, Like at least I feel
like I know why because I read an article with
The Athletic about a month ago that was just drooling

(01:03:29):
over this brand new podcast that's taken the world by
storm with Lebron James and JJ Reddick breaking down basketball
the way Peyton Manning and Eli Kobe Bryant did. Ok
fre ESPN The Detail Show and just odd like listening
to these guys break this place down and all this

(01:03:49):
kind of stuff, and it's just like, oh, okay, so
him and Lebron are tight. They're doing this podcast together.
Of course he's near the top of the list exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I mean, that's again, it's what is going to appease Lebron,
and that's going to peace Lebron. Even the third favorites
Tyron Lou So you know, it's it's what you know,
how can we make you happy, Lebron. That's what's going
on here. I didn't know the Lakers were a starter job.
So if JJ Reddick gets the job, well he just
starter homes. And I just didn't know that the La

(01:04:20):
Lakers were a starter job nowadays for somebody like JJ Reddick,
not that he can't do a good job, but if
they hired JJ Reddick, that means they really made Lebron
thatad coach.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Well, I mean, look, nobody knew Steve Kerr was going
to be that good, right, No one? I mean, and
I mean this goes down the list. I mean, sel
Jacks coach in their first job. You never know that
they're going to be what they turn out to be.
Greg Popovich, Bill Belichick was bad early in his career.
I mean, there's there's a lot of rest.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Easy on Popovich, Please easy on that. That's a sore
subject with me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Why is that a sore subject with you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Well, notice how he didn't win.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
He was wasn't the coach, and then he said, oh
we're getting Duncan and Robinson, I'm gonna come back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I'm going to coach. And then all of a sudden
he started to win again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
So he's actually but he actually stuck there after Kawhi left.
He's been there through these lean years and now he's
got the rookie of the Year on his team. It's
kind of come back full circle for him. But you're right, yeah,
that's true. You know, so could Redick be a good coach?
I mean he was also like way up in the
running for the Charlotte job. You know, of course played

(01:05:28):
at Duke and everything else. It didn't end up getting it.
But so maybe he is a name. I'm not suggesting
he couldn't coach, it's just the fact that he would
be that high on the list for the Lakers didn't.
I'm gonna just get finished with a guy that had
no head coaching experience, that was a player in the
league and it didn't work. This guy's not even been
on a bench like this is straight out of the booth.

(01:05:52):
We've got to hire this guy, or not really even
to the booth, just the podcast scene and the first
take desk.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Well, as you said, in case people don't know, he
does a podcast with Lebron, so him and Lebron are
very close.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Obviously Lebron likes him. That's the narrative.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Lebron is pushing to get JJ Reddick obviously and telling
Genie bust that's who he wants. Genie is probably gonna
have to decide. It's probably gonna have to be jj Reddick.
I don't see any other choice around it. She's got
to appease Lebron and that's the only way to do
it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Other names David Adelman, Chris Quinn, Phil Handy, Sam Cassell
at plus twenty two hundred. Terry Stotts plus twenty five hundred.
It's been like, Dan Tony, can we please stop? Plus
thirty three hundred. Canadan, Yeah, exactly. Mark Jackson plus thirty
three hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Why hasn't he gotten the job again?

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
That's a good question. Dave Jeger also plus thirty three hundred.
Jerry Stackows fresh off and absolute disaster at Vanderbilt. I
just couldn't have gone worse. I live in Nashville. I
talk to people that are close to that program even now,
who know the ins and out, and they basically like
the stuff that they said about stack House. He's definitely

(01:07:04):
more built for the NBA because he had no interest
in recruiting, right, had no interest whatsoever in doing the
work that goes into being a college basketball coach. But
he was good in the G League. So Stackhouse's name,
and then Adrian Griffin fresh off getting fired because apparently
if you if you coach for the Bucks and you

(01:07:25):
got fired, then they might be interested in talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
And then I think Jawan Howard's after that. It cuts
off after that, but Jawan Howard's after that, and I mean, geez,
how many candidates could there be. It seems like you
have fifty out there. I think I'm gonna have to
go with JJ Reddick if that's what Lebron wants. Now,
if Lebron says, okay, I'm open to some other people,
I gotta feeling Tyron Loom may get the job to do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I mean, if Lou, unless Lou tells him to stick
it because of how it went last time, would just
find a way to make sure that he was happy. Now,
I don't know, I'm not saying he would. I mean
he played for that organization. Of course, some one championships there,
so I mean he has love for them, but the
way that that went last time out for him not

(01:08:07):
end it up but sticking around and all that, like,
maybe he would. Maybe there is some some mill will there.
But in terms of yeah, you look at the list,
absolutely ty lewis the guy like, if you have the opportunity,
that's that's there's your answer. I don't I don't think
there's any question about that. Does he want it? And
how many of these guys do want it that are
on this list? These guys are are the betting favorites,

(01:08:28):
But are all these guys gonna take it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
The stress that comes with that job. It's you know,
you're gonna get the blame. Of course you're gonna get
the blame, and you're not gonna get the credit. If
it goes well, it's because of we know who. If
it goes poorly, it's definitely not because of him, And
it's all because of you. And you're gonna be paid
a little bit less than the other head coaches out there.
Gd Buzz doesn't have the most money. She's not one

(01:08:51):
of the richer owners in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Yeah, I mean there's there's some problems there. Yeah, you're
looking at about what Let go to Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Let's go to Kevin Wire a little later than usual though,
and then just catch up on what's happened this evening
in the world of sports find out. I think it
is all the baseball finally done, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Here we go.

Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
I was waiting for that anyway. Yeah, the Angels and Royals.
That was the last game, although that game had been
over for a while in all but a formality, as
they do win it ninety three against the Kansas City Royal.
So that was the last of all the sports action
that was taking place in in North America. Tonight Athletics
and Mariners. That was the other late game that has
gone final. Again not a not a close game at all,

(01:09:29):
so this game was all but over early. Athletics beat
the Mariners eight to one, Dodgers shout out the Padres five.
Nothing but the big games of the day NBA, NHL Playoffs.
First in the NBA, the Celtics tik a two to
one lead in their series against the Cleveland Cavaliers, winning
it by a final score of one to six two
ninety three. It was a team effort for Boston. Jason

(01:09:50):
Tatum had thirty three points, Jalen Brown had twenty eight,
Drew Holliday at eighteen, Derek White had twelve. But for
the Cavaliers it was the opposite. It was just Donovan
Mitchell in Evan Mobley who did most of the work
for Cleveland. Donovan Mitchell had thirty three points twelve to
twenty two shooting seven to twelve from beyond the three
point line. Mobley had seventeen points on seven to eleven shooting.

(01:10:13):
We had Darius Garland come on strong a little bit
late to end up with fifteen points, but it was
too little, too late, as the Celtics to have a
two to one as series lead Mavericks over the Thunder
one oh five to one oh one. In Game three
of that series, it was the Big three to four,
Dallas getting it done a combined seventy one points by PJ. Washington,
Kyrie Irving, and Luka Doncic. Mavericks had in this series

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two games to one. Shake guild Just Alexander, though gave
his best effort, coming up just short thirty one points,
ten rebounds, six assists, also had himself five blocks, which
is the second most by a point guard in a
single game in NBA history. Fred Van Vliet the only
guy who had six. He had it back on January
the twenty fourth, but otherwise, Shake gil Just Alexander tied

(01:10:58):
with a few other guys for the second most blocks
by point guard in an NBA game. Stanley Cup playoffs,
both of those games have concluded as well. The Dallas
Stars an easy win against the Colorado Avalanchel, though it
took them a little while to get going. It was
one nothing in the first, two to one after the
second period, and then the Dallas Stars piling it on

(01:11:18):
to the third to win it by three goals. The
Hurricane standing off elimination against the New York Rangers. As
Carolina wins it for to three. It is now a
three to one series lead for New York.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Back you guys, Thank you, Kevin. We are in the
Tyrock dot Com studios, Jason Martin Ardi spani you're here
with you. So, I guess so we've talked the Lakers
thing to death now right we I don't know that
we have quite discussed the Tea Wolves as much as
we probably should have. By this point. We were going

(01:11:49):
to talk about them, we got derailed, as often happens
when you start talking about the NBA, that's where you
end up going into the Lakers. There. Can I give
you a little bit of it, there's still a storyline.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Maybe me give you a little bit of advice to you.
You know, our boss is a big Minnesota fan, right.
He is so happy right now. If you ever wanted
to get a raise, I would ask for it right now.
He's given raises to everybody, extra vacation time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
He is such a good mood. Yeah, just just a
question for you, are Yeah when you say if you've
ever wanted to get a raise? Yeah, is there any
point in time that you know, which any human being
that is paid for a living would not want a raise. Well,
now's a good time because he's in a good mood.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I can tell you that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
I'm sure because it's been so long since any of
his teams have gotten out of the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
It must have been a horrible run.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
I mean, he's that's why he's always been, you know,
yelling at me all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
But that's beside the point. He has to be just
happy as could be because of what's going on. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Well, now that you've talked, I think we need to
go to break. So now we're not going to get
to talk about him. So there was your Tea Wolves segment.
Sorry about the bosses. Now, well there goes the race
right there. No, we we can talk about it on
the other side, although I know we were planning to
talk a little bit about Caitlin Clark and her home

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debut and having to pay to see it for some
reason on the WNBA streaming package, and also sort of
the whole weirdness with Greg Doyle. So what are we doing.
Do we want to talk about the t Wolves or
do we want to save that for the next hour
and still talk about Kaitlin Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
We could do Kaitlyn Clark. I was like talking about her.
She's very intriguing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Sorry there, uh, Boss, We'll get back to the t wolves.
We've still got another hour to go. We will talk
Kaitlyn Clark on the other side, along with Arty Spaniel.
Jason Martin here, Fox Sports Radio, Tyrack dot Com Studios,
Fox Sports Saturdays, Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back in. He's
Ernie Spaniard. I'm Jason Martin. You can find him on

(01:13:45):
x at Stinking Genius One. I'm at jmur Radio. Happy
Mother's Day to those listening, and if you forgot might
want to wake up early, just come back with something
and say that you had something planned but you had
to go out early to pick it up and certainly
didn't just go grab it at the nearby grocery store.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
And there I go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Come back in with like a cake that says happy
graduation or something like that, because all the Mother's daymens
are gone and you're buying a premade cake at this point.
All right, so we're gonna talk Kaitlyn Clark here. Boss.
We will talk to wolves in the third Yes, of course,
I promise it will happen. So Caitlin Clark had her

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home debut, scored what twelve points I think it was,
and was excited about it. And I think they had
thirteen thousand people show up for the game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Amazing, But if.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
You did not have WNBA League Pass, you could not
see it. So Tony Cornis went crazy on this and
he was just like, you have to find a way
to make that available for free. TK is dead right
on this ORNI like, there's there's not really another take
to have it is.

Speaker 8 (01:15:06):
But it was a preseason game, though, practice. Who cares,
it's malpractice, right right? Everyone is interested in watching this
one person do something right to see, even if it's curiosity,
even if they want to see her fail. Everybody wants
to watch this one person do this thing on a
basketball floor.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
I joined Lee.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Means nothing right without her, and you want to build
from that, right right. I'm just gonna say I didn't.
I didn't obviously couldn't find the game, so I went
out of my way to get my phone look up
to see how many points she had. And I was
telling my wife a couple of weeks ago, when this
whole draft thing came down, I go, I want to

(01:15:48):
buy an Indiana Fever t shirt, and I was going
through they were all very expensive, but I was going
through it and wan the fine one. I'm I totally
got Caitlin Clark Fever. I I want to see what
she's gonna do. I was expecting more out of her,
to be honest with you, than the twelve points.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
So we'll see how the season goes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
I mean, her first preseason game, she had like I
don't know if it was something like twenty one or something.
It was pretty decent.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
And I know that because the night she played, I
actually went out of my way five or six times
to look at the box score. Didn't watch the game,
but I've watched how she was doing because I was curious.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
I was driving the Connecticut one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
I was thinking of driving the Connecticut to see her
play the Sun. But the ticket prices are are like
two fifty or something like that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
And I actually did look at some jerseys, maybe pick
one up for the kids for Christmas, right my daughter's,
but they you know, and i'd be even my wife
made a good point, she said, you know the problem
is they'll grow out of them right now, right And
she's probably I mean, she's not. She's certainly right about
that children do grow. That's not a subjective point, that's

(01:16:51):
that's a fact. But I've never even considered that before, Ronie.
I've never considered looking a box score for the WNBA.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
All this kind of stuff you can hate on Caitlin Clark,
this Kaitlin Clark, that all you want, but you can't
deny that it moves the needle. And if that's your league,
if you're in charge of that league, if that is
your account, and you can't find a way to make
make it so people can watch that for free, to
help your league grow so that you can then hopefully

(01:17:23):
introduce them to other stars and other names and other
things that you want to do, then I don't think
you should have that job. Right. You have to find
a way to make that game available there. She had
no other way to play, I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
But the first thing I tell everybody else in the WNBA,
the first person that keeps saying why does she have
a shoe deal? And the other people that have been
in the w NBA before her growing the thing the
league doesn't have a shoe deal. I don't want to
hear that Bloni, even though one of the girls, what
was Wilson, I believe got a shoe deal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I forget who was. They've been working on that for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
The other deal that came this week too, I mean
the right that other deals that I've noticed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah so, but I mean, I don't want to hear
that stuff because it really it's not about the popularity
of the WNBA.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
It's about the popularity of Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
That's why they're getting all these extra viewerships and people
going to the game, and they better embrace it. I
can't believe people are actually negative on her because of
all the stuff that she's bringing in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You know, I knew it was going to happen. I
predicted this in advance, and I'm not no stradomis a
lot of people I would imagine felt the exact same
way I did. I knew the worm would turn, and
it's gonna be it's gonna be other players, and it's
gonna be people in the media. There's gonna be there's
gonna be a narrative surrounding this, and you've already started
to see it emerge a little bit. But if you

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are actually in the front office of the WNBA. If
you're trying to grow that league, there is no excuse
why every dribble she takes is not available to as
many people as humanly possible. Even if you can't get
it on a television network that night, which I write right,
I don't know, right, you can certainly streaming on your
own website, like you can find a way to get

(01:19:03):
that done. I don't care even if it costs you
money to do it. You find a way to make
it so people can watch her play basket.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
You've got to go ahead and utilize her and her
popularity and get people to tune on in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
That's what it's about. And they did not do a
very good job of it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
No, they didn't, and they better maximize this while they
have the absolute prey, which of course they do. So
the third hour of the program is coming up. We'll
set the stage for some of the playoff games to
come and yes we will talk t Wolves, Nuggets in depth,
all of that in some NFL coming up next on Fox.
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What's happened at folks?

(01:19:41):
We are live Ireck dot com Studios. By way, I
mean Arnie Spanier and Jason Martin, Aaron Tourez taken this
week off. He'll be back with me a week from today.
Hopefully his wife is enjoying a Where's he in Vegas
Mother's Day? I don't know where he is. I think
he said he was taking vacation.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Because I know he goes to Vegas a lot a
lot of our uh Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
A lot of people that work in Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
One I saw on Twitter, like, our buddy Bill Krackenberger
is at the Rolling Stones concert in Vegas right now,
just rocking.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
It just looks absolutely nuts out there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
What a fun time Saturday night going to see the
Rolling Stones in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
How fun is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Wow? Definitely better than hanging out with you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
That he was sending videos back on Twitter and it
just looked like an absolute blast. And by the way,
before we get in, I know you want to get
to the tim Wolves and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
I retweeted this out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
I hope you're rich, by the way, because somebody added
up all the costs for you to watch just to
watch the NFL next year, it's seventy two ninety nine
for YouTube TV, eight ninety nine for Prime Video, five
ninety nine for Peacock ten ninety nine for Yes the End,
plus six ninety nine for Netflix, which comes out the

(01:21:03):
five oho six throwing the Sunday ticket for three forty nine,
and you're looking at eight fifty five eighty six for
everything out there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Did I miss anything?

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Wow? I do think your math was a little bit.
Your math got a little walky there. But the point
is still the same. We are definitely coming to a
place where it's gonna require a bunch of different subscriptions
in order to watch your sports. And it's not just
gonna be the NFL, it's gonna be the NBA. We're
already seeing there's gonna be a bidding war here, but

(01:21:34):
I mean, we'll see what the money ends up being.
But we know TNT doesn't want to pony up this
and Warner seems to be content to just go bankrupt.
At this point in time, it feels like with Max
being not really working out the way that they thought
it would, Peacock has really not It's been a real
negative apparently for Universal. So you've got all these different
things and you're seeing the prices go up. How many

(01:21:56):
emails are we getting now a month? One of the
services that we subscribe to saying that they're about to
raise the price a dollar or two dollars. Here, they're
going to offer a tier that's lower, but they're going
to jack up the higher tier price another five bucks
and all this this is what, this is what's happening.

(01:22:16):
And we've we've hit this inflection point I think where
most people are now picking and choosing based on what's
available to watch right now that I want to see,
Like do I need Max all year long? Or do
I get Max when the Game of Throne spinoff comes
back and when the Penguin is there, And then when
I've seen all that, did you get rid of it back?

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Right? I see what just saying there is. That's that's
why the bet that Netflix has made, I don't care
what it cost them. You get WWE. The difference is
they don't have a season. It's fifty two weeks. If
you're a fan of WWE programming, you've got to be
with their with them all year and so they get
raw every Monday, and that all of a sudden becomes

(01:23:00):
that becomes destination and it becomes the only place you
can see it is having a constant Netflix account that's
different than even a sixteen weeks, seventeen week plus the playoffs,
NFL season, or whatever the season is for whatever sports,
that one might actually pay off the rest of it.
I mean, I think we're just getting to a place where,
at least when I look at it, for me, I mean,

(01:23:21):
I know we do this for a living, but at
the same time, you're going to have to actually prove
to me it's worth spending money if I just don't
have all the stuff anymore, because we don't have the
time anymore to devote to all of this stuff, and
with it being in seventeen different places. I mean, you
think about it like your father, if you're a little

(01:23:41):
bit younger your grandfather, how did they navigate this? Oh geez,
Maybe they're tech savvy, but most of them are not.
And how do they find their sports?

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
It's tough enough for somebody like me to go ahead
navigate I keep I'm like I had the call up.
I didn't even know if I had the red zone anymore.
I was panicking a week before the season started. I
got somebody on the phone and it turns out that
I have it. I didn't even know why I had it.
It's amazing, though, how many different channels. This is And

(01:24:11):
by the way, that's not even including when we start
selling the Super Bowl right sooner or later, we're gonna
have to pay one hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
We'll have to pony that up to watch the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
So some people think that's never going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Look, since people kind of stopped going to games because
it was so expensive for ticket and parking, and we
stay home now because we have these great TVs. Now,
they want the people that are staying home with the
great TVs the pony up with all these channels. And
we really don't have much of a choice if you
want to watch the NFL. But I got to assume
our average listener out there right now doesn't have every

(01:24:45):
one of those channels, you know what I mean, They
don't have five or six channels to get the whole NFL.
And that's too bad because they're pricing the average person out.
It's getting crazy, they are.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
And of course the same thing is true if you
want to go see it. I mean, just the parking
alone keeps a lot of people away. It's insane going
to cost the park near the stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
It's absolutely parking in Jerry's World for the Cowboys. It's crazy, yeah,
and it's not getting better. And you're right, it is
pricing out and it's not really a good time for it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
If you look at the state of the economy and
the things that have gone up in price in the
last couple of years, we're not in a place where
a lot of people want to find extra income to
spend on the stuff that they've gotten used to their
entire lives being provided for them. Well, it's a big time,
it's a big shift. I can't wait to see how
it all shakes out.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
And now you've got to buy Netflix if you want
to get the day of the games on Christmas Day.
Allegedly that's is that the next thing up? Or do
they announce that because supposedly Netflix is going to buy
the two Christmas Day games on the on the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
So, I mean, at what point is at what point
are people just going to say now you can keep it? Like,
is having a couple of games on Christmas Day gonna
be enough to get everybody that watches the NFL to
pony up the money. I don't want the game. I
think we're gonna get to a point where they're when
people are gonna actually say no.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
I mean, is it gonna be no offense against Jacksonville?

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Is it gonna be a game that you know Jacksonville Atlanta,
or is it gonna be Dallas Cowboys in Kansas City.
I mean, there's a big difference between those two if
you want to pony up, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Mean I think the answer if you are trying to
make money is the latter, right. I mean, think about
the game that was on Peacock. The playoff game was
on Peacock as you had to have Peacock for this
past year. Was Kansas City, right? And people were upset
about that because how dare you do that to this
Kansas City team with Mahomes and Kelsey and Taylor Swift
and everything else. That's why they did it like that.

(01:26:51):
The one that's going to be the most lucrative is
the one they're gonna do because they don't care about
making you happy. They care about separating as much from
your wallet into theirs as humanly possible.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
That was the Kansas City Miami game, right, the playoff
game was it not yet?

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
I mean playing kill all of that stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
So playoff games now are you could not have gotten
it unless you got what peacock.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Is that what it was? Is there any games on
Apple TV or we've not got I don't even.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Know any man they've got baseball right now, and I
don't think they're looking at maybe I think it might
have been them that was looking at the NBA, and
I know they'd like to get on the NFL. I mean, eventually,
it's just you're gonna have to have everything, and you're
also gonna have to have a spreadsheet to find.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Out yes, yes, you're gonna I have to know where
to go to YouTube TV and Prime Video and Peacock
and Netflix, and it's it's just gotten absolutely crazy. So
that that's why it came up, because it looks like
Netflix is gonna get those Christmas Day games. So that's
just a little bit more of everybody out there to
podion up for the games, which you're gonna have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Celtics win take home court back. This is look in
the playoffs, they've been worse at home than on the
road pretty consistently. They win pretty easily in Cleveland. Last night,
Dallas with a big win at home against the number
one seed Oklahoma City. They now have a two to
one lead as well. How do you look at those

(01:28:13):
two series right now? I don't think anybody's looking at
the Calves as if they were a real threat to
beat the Celtics the West. Even as a Thunder fan,
I gotta say I was a little scared of going
into the series just because of the potential of the
superstar players, in particular for Dallas them being up to
one against a young basketball team on a night win.
SGA went for thirty one and had a great game,

(01:28:34):
had five blocks in the game. I'm a little concerned
about that series.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
I'm wondering all games, all the series are two to
one right now? Who needs to win game for the most?
Is it the Pacers or the next Nuggets or Wolves?
Which team has to go ahead? Is it the Cavaliers
that otherwise they're pretty much done If they get down
three to one? Is it the Thunder? Thunder? I mean,

(01:29:02):
can they can they go down three to on? Which
team has to win the most for a game number four?

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
I mean, I don't think anybody can go down three
to one and come back right right, I really don't.
I think it's asking too much. But if if I
had to try and rank it. I would probably say
the Knicks need to go up three to one because
of the injury situation. I don't think they need to
go to to with Ananobi you're not sure whether or

(01:29:30):
not he can come back at all, and Brunson maybe
needing a bit of a rest before the next series.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Now, it's not the team I would have picked, not
even closed, but.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Well, I don't think it would be. I'm looking at
from a different perspective though, right, Like I understand like
if you're looking at it, I'm just looking at it
purely from where those guys find themselves from a health standpoint, right.
I don't think they need to be in a prolonged
series if they.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Can not of it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
I totally agree with you there. I still think don't
don't forget. Even though they won Game three, I still
think it's the Denver Nuggets. They can't go down three
to one. Look, they were down to nothing and they
were playing in Minnesota. They lose that game series over, well,
they came up with a big victory. Still, if they
go down three to one, yes they go back to Denver,

(01:30:18):
but you know it's gonna be tough considering Minnesota's already
taken two from them in Denver. They're not gonna be
afraid to play down there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
No, I agree with you. If I was just trying
to pick, I would I would say for sure. Then
against that Minnesota team, the way that they are built,
they are built. Sometimes there's just teams that are built
to beat another team, right good. We started to see
a lot of NBA teams that were being built to
beat Golden State, right like they were being constructed to
be able to score with Golden State, to be able

(01:30:46):
to withstand their runs, to make threes, all that kind
of thing. Well, the Nuggets were. They just had this
kind of killer app fuel to them last year. And
so you're starting to see the dynasty. You're seeing these
guys going into their prime, and they're all there and
they're all locked up for a good amount of time.
But then you look at Minnesota and you recognize their
size and how they can take Jokic out of his

(01:31:09):
game in those first two games, and then you start
to look at Edwards and you say, if he continues
along this pace like at two oh, I felt like, man,
you know what, I think they've got their number. I
just think they're built to beat them. I think, you know,
it was a perfect team to match up with dev
with Denver.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
I was surprised. I wasn't surprised that they could win
one game in Denver. I was surprised that they took
too in Denver. Yeah, but we really shouldn't because maybe
the Lakers series tipped us off against something. Yes, they
had a couple of big shots Denver to win games,
to win two games at the end of the game,
and they walked away with a five game but gentlemen sweep.
But overall they were not dominating over the Lakers. The

(01:31:48):
Lakers that had the lead most of the every game.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Well, notoriously it was slow starts, right, and that's the
same thing that happened. And you even heard Mike Malone
say it after game too. Got to stop doing this,
like we can't. We can't expect to come back like
this over and over again. I will give them credit though,
And I heard Jokic say it after game three and
you could see it watching. Of course, when you get

(01:32:11):
Jamal Murray really showing up, that's going to help you out.
When he starts to look a little bit more like
himself and he's playing on one leg, it felt like
in his first two games. But they they they made
an adjustment, a critical adjustment to their pace of play. Namely,
they were getting over half court in three seconds. They
were taking the ball out from underneath the basket, and

(01:32:31):
they were running. They were getting there and not letting
Minnesota get set up to play half court. They had
to speed up their pace. That was the only way
that they were going to be able to counter what
Minnesota was throwing at them. I give them a ton
of credit for watching that, acknowledging it, and actually adjusting
to it. That's why these seven game series can be

(01:32:53):
so fascinating in such a chess match, because now, what
is Minnesota going to have in game four, now that
they've seen what the Nuggets are doing to counter their
strengths from the first two games. Right, that's really interesting.
But credit the Nuggets, and it shows why Malone's a
good coach and why that team has been so good
and so successful that they were able to diagnose their

(01:33:14):
problem and fix.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
It absolutely one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
And by the way, why are you going to do
something stupid and then give me attitude?

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
I'm talking about Jamal Murray.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Why are you going to throw something on the court,
and then when they go talk to you, you're gonna
give them attitude. I'm getting a little sick and tired
of the Lebron's, the Anthony Davis, uh, the Pat Beverly's,
the Murray's, with the attitude when nobody's you know, nobody did.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Anything to you. You know, that's why I love Josh Hart.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
You know, when something bad happens, he doesn't get the call,
he stands up in front of everybody. It doesn't cry,
doesn't complain, doesn't give an attitude, you know what I mean,
just answers the question. I don't understand what the attitude
was with with Murray over what he did with stupid
anybody have a basketball question. I mean, that's just it's

(01:34:06):
it's getting old, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I don't know why they're fight with the media so much.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Well, I mean, I think and there were there was
at least one NBA executive I saw that was on
record somewhere saying, uh, NBA is trying to protect his
television ratings. Murray should have been suspended.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
He should have been suspended.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Absolutely, he should have been You can't throw stuff on
the court, No, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
If I stuff on the court. I would never be
allowed back in the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Arena, That's right. I think it's because he didn't have
a history, for one, But I also do think there
might be something to what that executive is saying. But
exactly the larger point I think is this because you
mentioned multiple guys. You mentioned Lebron, you mentioned and Pat Beverly,
we're talking about now, we're talking about Jamal Murray. All
these guys feel entitled. And I'm not even saying that

(01:35:00):
it's false entitlement. They feel entitled because their commissioner has
no backbone. And I'm serious, like, I mean, really think
about it. The NBA players can do whatever they want,
right because the league is just gonna stand down, man.
I mean, think about the Ja Morant situation when it

(01:35:20):
first happened, and him going to Florida for like four
days and then coming back after all that had gone down,
and you know, you hope that you never see that again.
But how many opportunities has Adam Silver had in the
last couple of years to actually stand up and say
you know what, no, and instead he has found a
way to capitulate. And so now you've got entitled athletes

(01:35:44):
that aren't even being told no by the guy that's
in charge of their league. And you wonder why they're
kind of petulant towards the media.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Well, he works for the owners, and the owners kind
of dictate what he's supposed to do, and they're like,
you're you better not do any need to hurt our league.
Better not be suspending players. We need television revenue, We
need television ratings. You better not suspend Murray. If Lebron
did something wrong, you better make sure he's playing, and
it better be prime time, you know, all he has

(01:36:14):
to answer to people like that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Look, if that had been contavious Calwell, Pope, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Probably for the rest of the playoffs, seriously, certainly for
the next game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
But again, I mean the leaks, the leaks. You feel
if I was playing that league, I would try to
get away with everything under the sun too.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Mostly, I'm shocked Pat Beverley only got four games for
what he did out there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Are you? I mean, I think he should have gotten more.
You're right, I told him. You think the league was
gonna come down hard on him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Because he did it twice?

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
He how often has the league come down hard on anybody?
I mean, look at Draymond Green just this past season
while he's talking about the Knicks being a fluke. If
David Stern had been the commissioner, you wouldn't have been
playing right right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
I thought it was gonna be a little bit worse
because he threw the ball twice and he fired it
at the fan and it was a woman. So I thought,
they say, no, no, we can't have anything like that. Yet,
you can't be attacking the fans. And the fan didn't
say anything. No matter what he ever, he says, Pat
Beebie never tells us what was said. He just said
he was shocked. So I'm not going to speculate, but

(01:37:27):
if there was something heard, we would have heard exactly
what was said. I just think he lost his cool.
I think they said what three to two one can't coon?
And he got upset about it and lost his marbles
and they went to can'tkuon right exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
That's when we come back, Aunt and MJ. Why are
we doing this? We'll talk about that next. It is
Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back
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studios Rolling Stones in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Oh, They're rocketed out there. Ill, not much tickets were
for something like this. I can't believe Mick Jagger can
still do this, you know, is this the last one?
Got to be the last opportunity to It's got to
be Tickets are probably I'm just guessing what three four,
five hundred dollars or something to that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
In fact, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
I mean, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Well, the bill, Bill Krachenberger, who put it on Twitter,
he must have good seats because he was like like
seven rows away from the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
It seemed like, I'm like, wow, look at Poff somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
How are you doing right now with your degeneracy with
the gambling?

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Yeah, not bad. I'm more of a football guy. If
I'm gonna do baseball, do run lines. What's bothering me
is there's so many prop bets now that it's kind
of taken away the fun of just betting the game,
and I start thinking of a betting props and stuff
like that, when really the game is what I like
to bet the most.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
You know, how interested are you in a actual television
series being developed about Otani's interpreter.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
I do want to see it. I want to see
what's going on. I want to see what jail time
he's going to get. How much time is he going
to get. I want to see how he pulled it off,
it went into it. I think he's already threw some
people under the bus. How there was a local casino
involved in to that effect in lass.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
But he's had like seventeen stories. That's the problem. Like
he like his credibility was shot anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
But it's only shot with us. Man, it's shot with
us and shot with the media. Doesn't mean it has
to be shot with the uh you know, uh, let's police,
you know what I mean? They know when they're telling
the truth. They just have to look into it. I
don't think he's going to do more than five years.
I don't think he's gonna do all that much.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
In five years. Who's the best player.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
In the NBA Anthony Edwards?

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Okay, is it cool if we actually watched that five
years and don't invote Michael Jordan? Mean we have to
do this.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
I mean, every time somebody is great, we got to
compare him the Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Well, I'm not saying everybody it's always Michael Jordan, but
it's always somebody. But in this case, I saw the
Marcus Thompson articles like, yep, go ahead and say it.
He looks like Michael Jordan. And we had the whole
thing with the broadcasters that night that we're I don't
want to say it, Jamal Crawford, but he's starting to
remind me of somebody and all this, like, really, I

(01:40:33):
understand that Anthony Edwards is as good as you say is, Like,
I mean, you watch him and it's incredible. I love
the fact that we're gonna have to watch this guy's
entire career, right And by the way, I'm glad that
he did an interview or he had done a sit
down and he said people need to stop with these.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Comparisons, and they should. He's absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
He has no championships, so a little worry about winning
won championship. Look, he's never gonna be Michael. I know,
we want to compare him the Michael was. We miss
Michael so much, and gosh, we want somebody with that
competitiveness and that desire, and Anthony Edwards maybe have that
competitive competitiveness and desire, but he'll never be another Michael Jordan.

(01:41:15):
That's not a knock against them. They're just nobody's another
Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Yeah. I mean, look Anthony Edwards in terms of where
he is in his career and where Jordan was at
this point in his career. If you want to try
and split hairs and you want to get to it
that way, then okay, yeah, because it took Jordan years
to get past the Pistons and win his first championship and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Then he went on the run seven years or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
It took him a long time, it did. And in
game dunking, nobody's better than Anthony Edwards. He makes the
fallaway shot kind of that that little little backstep move
that Jordan used to make. He does a lot of
things that are Jordanish and so did Kobe and all this,
but I just don't think it does him any favors.

(01:42:00):
We could just enjoy how great he is. Well, it's
not not immediately have to invoke anybody else. The same
thing with Kayleb Williams being talked about with Patrick Mahomes,
like just let the dude play.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Yeah, but why are you going to bed though?

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
Why are you so offended by it if we go
ahead and compare him to do with Mahomes or a
Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Saying I'm offended by it, right right, I'm just saying,
there's no reason to put someone on that kind of
a pedestal because all they can then, because if you
say he's the next Michael Jordan or boy he's starting
to look a lot like Jordan, then even if he
goes and has a great career, he's still gonna fall
short of that mark. The chances are, the chances are

(01:42:41):
real small. He's gonna have Michael Jordan's career by real small,
I mean real, real, real small. So that's setting him
up to not live up to an expectation. So you're
not letting him dictate his own career.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
Hey, so what, you're not living up to Michael Jordan.
But is that going to keep you up at night?

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
No way.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
I mean, he he knows what's going on here. That's
no big deal. I don't think that that's a big
thing to worry about, you know. I don't think it's
taken away from his career or taken away from what
he does on the court.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
I don't need to hear I don't need to hear
about how he is the next this and the next that,
because he's the first Anthony Edwards, and that's really good.
It doesn't mean you can't. Yeah, it doesn't mean that
he doesn't end up in a list with these legends.
But let's let him have his own career before we

(01:43:30):
even put that on him. And I think I think
he's smart enough to actually the way he's talking about it,
the way he's dismissed it, that's exactly right. And of
course if everybody else wants to say that and he
stays out of the fray and he just lets them talk,
it's fine. I just kind of read it and it
was just like, man, it's just lazy, Like just talk
about what he does right without having to say he

(01:43:52):
does it like this guy did it. It's like, no,
just what does he do? Like talking about it? It
doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
And by the way, have your hand on the dumb button.
I'm not allowed to say this. I don't want to
get in trouble, especially by the boss. But after the
Edwards will get a lot more people watching him, and
you know, come to fruition once he leaves Minnesota and
joins the new York nexts No, No, that Hey, it's
just a matter of time. We know that he'll he'll

(01:44:19):
be with the New York Next and then then the
championships will start coming.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
So we'll wait for that day. But is the boss
gonna fire me for saying that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
I mean, I think the more interesting question is gonna
be how long? And I've already seen it, so I
know some people already say it, but I don't know
that we're quite to that point. How long before his
is the first name on the list and not Kevin
Gartinett for that franchise, for being the best player to

(01:44:51):
ever play there.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Oh geez.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Again, it has to come with championships though, right, he
can't just go you can't go ahead and you know,
do it until you get championships.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
But it won't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
It will take probably about three four years before they,
you know, before people say he's much better than Kevin
Garnett and put him number one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
I would I wouldn't say right around that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
I mean, that's still very high praise considering how good
Garnett was.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Absolutely, you know, they never had anybody was there a
long time.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Yeah, he was there for a long time and didn't
win very much because it was just it wasn't a
franchise that was ready to win at that point in time,
and so he had to go to Boston to get
it done. If Edwards get one, you might already put
him there. But they do have more around him, like
I mean, you do look at I mean, Karl Anthony
town is a pretty good basketball player, especially when he

(01:45:43):
doesn't have to be the alpha, when when it can
be Anthony Edwards. Karl Anthony Towns is a much better
He's a much better second banana than he is.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
A front banana. Right, No, you're absolutely right about that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
But can you mention can you figure jigg and Brunson
and Anthony Edwards in the backcourt there?

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
That's not too shat to fuel.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
That into existence? To get shut down. Let's let's give
you a breather, retreat to your core. Let's go, let's
go out to LA one more time. Let's bringing Kevin
wired and find out what happened in sports last night.

Speaker 6 (01:46:13):
Kevin, Yeah, good amount of playoff action. On Saturday, Celtics
Cavaliers game of three of that series. They were tied
at one game apiece, but the Boston Celtics getting a
complete team effort in this win against the Cavaliers one
oh six ninety three. The final Jason Tatum had thirty
three points, Jalen Brown had twenty eight, Drew Holiday at eighteen,
Derek Whitewood twelve. But contrasts that to the Cleveland Cavaliers

(01:46:35):
Evan Mobley had seventeen, Donno Mitchell had thirty three and
outside of a late run by Darius Garland who finished
with fifteen points, really not much other help that They
got Donovan Mitchell seven to twelve from beyond the three
point arc. The rest of the team just five of
twenty seven, So a poor shooting night by the Cavaliers.

(01:46:56):
They now find themselves in a hole. In this best
of seventh series, the Mavericks over the Thunder one oh
five to one oh one. It was a big performance
by the Big three PJ. Washington, Kyrie Irving, Luca Datcich
combining for seventy one points. Washington had twenty seven, Kyrie
and Luca each with twenty two, Luca also with fifteen
rebounds and five assists, and Shay Gilt just Alexander give

(01:47:18):
him all the credit for laying it all out on
the court. He had one of his better performances of
the postseason. Thirty one points, ten rebounds, five blocks. That's
the second most blocks in a single game by a
point guard in NBA history. Only Fred van Fleet has
had morey at six back in January against the Charlotte Hornets,
but otherwise second four Shae Gill just Alexander, He's tied

(01:47:39):
with a bunch of other guys with five assists in
a game by a point guard. In the NHL Stanley
Cup Playoffs, the Hurricanes over the Rangers four to three,
so Carolina stays alive in that series, but they do
still trail three games to one. The Stars beat the
Avalanche for won two big goals by Dallas in that
third period gives them the two to one lead over
in that series. And a Major League Baseball everything has concluded,

(01:48:03):
although all the late games, ane of them are really close,
so those games all but over. Early on, the Athletics
over the Mariners eight one, Angels beat the Royals ninety three,
Dodgers shut out the Padres five nothing. Rockies over the
Rangers eight to three.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
Back to you guys, all right, thanks, Kevin, appreciate you.
That's that's the Dodgers have kind of righted the ship
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
Oh you think so, wow, Yeah, they've They've been awesome.
Mookie bats is such an underrated superstar. I'm not even
say underrated baseball player, just an underrated superstar. He's like
one of the best in his sport and just does
not get the recognition that other people do, like a
Lebron or Mahomes or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
That was hard for me to admit, considering what they
did to my braves last weekend, long long season. Acunya
is not having a great year yet.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
But your braves almost had no hitter against by Mets today?

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
Came very close? Still won the game though, JD.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Martin the home mark. Yeah, they hit a home run
in the ninth inning.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
How good are you guys going to be when Pete A.
Lonso is not there anymore?

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
We're not good now. So what difference does it make
if he's there or not? So it doesn't make it
every night. I thought Peter Wansa wasn't going to be
on the team this year. I'm not so sure they're
going to get rid of him. I know there's been
so much talk about him, and you know the money
that he makes.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
But uh, I mean, well, we'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
But I don't think they'll end up getting rid of
him if they stay close to the you know, wild Card.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Race something or nothing. Just completely changing gears. You're hearing
rave stuff about Jane Daniels from Commanders workouts, and then
jiraw Mao and New England said today or yesterday, Now
you know Drake Mayre's there's a long way to go.
There's a lot that he has to learn. But then
a lot of the players are saying, man, he can

(01:49:49):
really sling it and all these positives.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
Did you see the one on Pennick. Did you see
the one on Penix or I don't know if you
saw this on Twitter? Did you see that one where
they said.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
He was no, I did not see the Pennis comment.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
I think they said he was firing the ball so
fast that his receivers were dropping.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
It because it was coming in so hot.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
That was a problem. That was a problem in college too,
Like that's that that's always been That was sort of
a knock as he throws the ball almost too hard,
right right, that's if that's legitimately what they're saying, that
that's something that has been said about him in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
I saw it on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
I mean I saw it on Twitter, so I don't
remember who put it out. It's got to be true, absolutely, no,
I'm I take it with a grain of salt when
people say that. It does concern me, though, When when
a coach says, oh, he's got a lot of work
to do, I'm like, oh, you know, maybe he's not
ready to start or or something like that. Jaydon Daniels
I like a lot too. I can't wait to see

(01:50:42):
what he's going to put up there. I think he
was a little underrated because of all the talk about
cagleb Williams and how great he's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
How do we feel about the new concessions in Green Bay?

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
The Packers what they're going to be what's gonna be
available in their stadium?

Speaker 7 (01:51:02):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
You mean now that it's because it's an open air stadium,
they're allowed smoking now. Yeah, the Packer and Alabama Football
has done the same thing where they're gonna allow what cigarettes?
I don't have the story in for me, but what
pre rolled synthetic marijuana or something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:51:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Delta eight I believe was I don't even know what
that is and other stuff. Yeah, so you could just
sit in your seat and smoke. That's crazy because we've
been on the other end of that cavern of smoking.
Don't smoke even if it's open air, can't smoke, can't smoke.
Are people gonna be lighting up joints?

Speaker 7 (01:51:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
And you could vape also in your seat.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
I don't think whether if people are just gonna be lighting
up marijuana cigarettes, just smoking right there in their seat
while the game is going on.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
Right Denver, Broncos. I'm considering Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Yeah, it's legal there.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
I mean, if you're gonna use vape pens, nobody can
really tell the difference what's in those vape pens anyway, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Yeah, and if we if if marijuana starts happening in
the seats, then I guess we have to get rid
of it for the players too, right. I don't think really, like,
how in the world can the people in the stands
watching you play be sparking up? But if you like gambling, no,
is it gonna be like a marijuana section because you
can't have kids near stuff like that. So I wonder

(01:52:26):
what they're going to do. I don't want my kids
near that, but I also don't want them near vapes.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
That's true too, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Definitely don't want them near vapes.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
But it's an open air stadium. So that's the saying
that hawk by.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Have you ever walked by somebody with a vape? We
walked past somebody at a restaurant, my family. We walked
past somebody like two weeks ago to a restaurant who
was waiting on a table and they were vaping. I
don't know what front door smoke was supposed to be. Yes,
it was outdoors on a bench and like immediately perfect
music for this, like dude blows it and the wind
catches it and catches it over to us. Smelled like death.

(01:53:00):
Smelled like death and taxes? Aren't he like? It was
just I was just like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Are you a little surprised that this is going to
be the new Norman? If the Packers are doing it,
it's just a matter of time before all the other
teams that have open air stadiums going to do it too.
Alabama said we're gonna do that all cigarettes is awful
to me, that is bad. I'm a little surprised about that.
Usually they make you, you know, they shame you in
say go to the corner and don't let us look
at you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
I thought we had evolved past that. Madman was a
show set in the fifties. Yeah, and everybody's smoking all
through the show. But like we're in twenty twenty four,
everybody knows the risks. Unless you smoke, you probably hate
the smell of it. I wonder why. I don't know
anybody that doesn't smoke. This's like man love to smell
of cigarettes. Just don't like to smoke. No, have you

(01:53:48):
ever walked in in a place where smoking is done?
You ever walked into a house?

Speaker 7 (01:53:52):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
Yeah. Every time I've ever told something on eBay, always
make a point to say smoke free house.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Right right exactly because you can tell the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
I just it's just amazing. Why did they change it?
Why did this become a vote? Why are they changing
it to this way? I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
I don't either, Like I didn't know this was a
big time issue that they needed to ache.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
I didn't know either.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Yeah, I just saw that story. See people not coming
to the games because they can't smoke.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
You know, it's one thing about it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
If you good to let people smoke marijuana, because that's
legal in a lot of states.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
But synthetic marijuana doesn't have a bad effect on some people.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
I mean, it seems like I don't know at this
point in time. I nothing makes sense anymore. Decisions that
are made are just made. When we come back. Well,
this one does make a little bit of sense. Somebody's
gonna be joining Peyton and Eli in the first quarter
of all the manning casts. Is it gonna be a
good thing? And doesn't make it a must watch? Plus

(01:54:48):
we will pick the Sunday and Monday NBA games. That's
next Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah.
I don't know what I'm gonna say to this other than.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
I don't think you could bring in a bomb saying
the game. Yeah it's I think it's just cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
I don't think you're bringing a bomb.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
It is Fox Sports Saturday. Finishing up. Remember it's Mother's Day.
We'll go ahead and tell you that one more time. Yep,
just about everywhere. Yep. Happy Mother's Day to all of
those out there that qualify. And if you haven't gotten
something for her yet, So Bill Belichick first quarter, every

(01:55:31):
Manning cast, this fall, Peyton and Eli. Does that make
it must see to you if you are if you've
tuned out of it, Like for me, I've kind of
gone back to just watching Joe and Troy. I just
kind of want to watch, just kind of see the game,
and then afterwards there'll be highlights all over websites and
everything whatever happened on the Manning cast. Not that I'm

(01:55:51):
not sometimes it gets a little bit too to drink
minimum comedy act kind of stuff and all that, and
I like it when they're breaking down the actual game
and this, but Belichick being involved in it does certainly
make me at least want to like DVR and then
go back and watch the first quarter. I watched the
first one.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
If if we're gonna talk about are you going to
tune in for Belichick?

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
I watched the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
I want to see what he's got. I want to
see what he's got to say. I want to see
if he's going to go ahead and be critical, that's
important part. If he's not going to be critical, if
he's just gonna go ahead and you know, tiptoe through
all the mistakes out there, then I really don't care
what he's got to say. And two, I'm gonna go
ahead and just probably get the clips of it, because
when I'm watching the game, I don't need to hear

(01:56:37):
everybody just going back and forth. And you know, maybe
if there's like one big play and there's controversy, maybe
I want to hear what everybody has to say.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
But otherwise I just want to watch the game and
listen to the announcers.

Speaker 3 (01:56:49):
I I really don't want to hear the back and
forth and right away the instant analysis or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Well, I mean, I think that I think the first
one will give you a good sense of what you're
likely to get from it. And I think the only
danger when it comes to and you ask the right question,
I think in terms of which Belichick you're gonna get
is is he worried about burning a bridge in the
league and getting back and coaching and as such, is

(01:57:15):
he going to be Is he going to treat things
with kid gloves right exactly? If not? If he's going
to go in and be the Bill Belichick that we
know he can be when it comes to being able
to analyze and break down and explain what's happening and
really kind of get into it. That to me is
going to be must watch stuff. But if he is
a little bit, if he still wants to get back

(01:57:36):
into the league, and so that's going to cause him
not to go quite as hard that I think will,
that will neuter the ability of it to work.

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
Right, it won't be great TV and the Mannings will
have to push him and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
I don't think it's going to be like that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
I will probably get some raw motion and to that effect,
but you know again, otherwise I'll just watch the clips.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
I don't need to hear him for the entire quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
Yeah, well, I don't know. It might be great. It
really might be. And of course there's gonna be great stories,
but probably told about the Colt Patriots rivalry.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
Oh I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
Yeah, And that's not the time I want to hear it, right,
I don't want to hear the stories then while I'm
watching the game.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
I prefer to hear them when I'm not watching the game.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
Well, it just depends if it's a down moment or
if it's something that's relevant. All right, New York, Indiana,
Big Time Game four? Who you got.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
Spread six and a half in favor of Indiana. Holi
Burton is just two banged up. So what I'm gonna
do is, I'm gonna take the Knicks BLUs up five
and a half. I want to take the other two seventeen.
Last game was two twenty seven. I believe was one sixteen,
one eleven. They're making it a little bit lower than
twenty one because the question mark about how a Burton.
I just can't imagine that many points again. So I'll

(01:58:46):
take the Knicks and I'll take the under.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
All right, I'm gonna take the Knicks to win the game.
Denver Minnesota, Big time Game four on t at who
you got.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
I'm gonna do Minnesota. I think they come out very
pumped up in this one. I'll lay to two and
a half and I'll go the over two o four
and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
I'm gonna take the Nuggets to say that even the
series at two, you think Boston or Oklahoma City loses real.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
Fast, Dallas go with Dallas.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
All right, there it is. That's Arnie Spaniard. Bernie Fratto
is up next. Appreciate you, Arnie. Thank Caving folks,

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