Martin Weiss & Olden Polynice Talk Knicks Injury Woes, Ponder The Lakers Future Head Coach, and More!!

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Olden Polonies who walks in had to dalk through the door.
Old And how are you, my friend?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good mone in yourself.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm doing great, glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
You got to raise the ceilings and everything in here.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Listen. I don't know, I look. It was a good
thing you were in the NBA for such a long time.
You were able to buy your own house, because right now,
me living in apartments in La, the sink comes up
to my like to my knees almost sometimes, and I'm
only six three. I only wonder how you would wash
your hands or take a shower, cause you gotta talk.
I mean, you probably come over the old tower thing. Anyway,
Mo May walks in at a seven foot zero measuring,

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So there you go, right there on the dot. But
we'll see a bunch of seven footers today. As a
Cavaliers Jared Allen a game time decision for tonight's game
with the Celtics and the Cavaliers series TID one apiece.
You know, Joe Miszula's home record in the playoffs eight
and eight as a member of the head coach of
the Boston Celtics, and they've had the top seed the

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entire time, are one of the top seats. What are
you expecting, Olden, and to see tonight in this Game
three matchup between the Cavaliers and the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
The thing about the Celtics is they're jack and hide.
And I've been saying this for so long. I can't
really be dependent on them. They had a great regular
season record and it's almost reminiscent of watching the Clippers
of Blake Griffith, Chris Paul and DeAndre Jordan. You know,
built yeah, built for the regular season, but when the

(01:55):
playoffs come and everybody tightens up, you know, you see
a different team, and it's almost similar with the Celtics.
It's like the first game you're thinking, okay, here it
is in the next game they were disinterested in playing basketball.
And to me, you know, we've always said this man
teams take on a coach's personalities and sometimes, you know,

(02:17):
Jason Tatum, Jael and Brown, yeah they're good for about
forty five fifty points. But some of these other guys,
but I do I gotta give them, you know, a
little slack because Pazinga's being out really hurts them, it
really does. You know, that's a shop rim protect the
shot blocker guy, and offensively he can knock down threes.

(02:39):
So a little, you know, a little slack, but not
too much.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
So I thought, what was concerned You talked about the
head The team takes the personality of the head coach. Well,
Jason Tatum after Game two, his comments saying, as much
as you know, you say, we're a super team, but
we didn't get rewarded like we were. We didn't have MVPs,

(03:04):
we only had two All Stars. I'm paraphrasing, but that
was the gist of what he was saying. And I
just you know, he goes on to say, the world
thinks we're never supposed to lose. We're supposed to win
every game. By twenty five, it's not going to be
like that a lot of the time. And I kind
of feel them a little bit because, I mean, he's right.
Like when they lost to Miami, like, there they go again.

(03:25):
When they lost the Cleveland I said, there they go again, right,
And if they lose again today, I'll be like, Yep,
there they go one more time, losing games that they're
supposed to win. Right, But when you're only scoring twenty
one points a game and shooting twenty seven percent from three,
is that the right time to have that message if
you're Jason Tatum, Like, how would you say if that

(03:47):
was a guy on your team?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, first of all, Jason Tatum needs to stop listening
to the verbage. Okay. It's like saying, oh, such and
such is the greatest play ever. There's no such thing. Okay,
we're in a generation of right here, right now, and
everything is what it is right now. Oh he's the
greatest because you're seeing him. For one, you have a

(04:09):
good game. I'm sorry, I don't want to hear all that,
because you know, you have to look at it for
what it is. So if they calling you a super
team verbiage, okay, doesn't necessarily mean you're a super team.
It just means that that's the term that they want
to use right now. And so but at the end
of the day, my thing has always been how do
you perform? And to me, that was such a letdown,

(04:34):
you know, in that second game, because they just look
like they weren't interested at all. And that's the problem
that I have with the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, how much of that do you do you chalk
up to their style of play? Because to me, when
you see a team that led the league for the
majority of the season in three point attempts and was
last in the league for the majority of the season
in two point attempts, it just shows me. I mean,
like y'all are not y'all are afraid almost to put

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the ball on the floor and get to the rack.
And sometimes you gotta put emphasis to the officials to
try to call some files get you to the free
throw line, especially when you're a really good free throw
shooting team like the Celtics are. But to the point
of it, to me, it feels like man I'd rather
not be here when you're just jacking up threes, jacking
up three, jacking up threes. And we've seen jump shooting

(05:23):
teams win a title. But here's the thing. Nobody on
the Celtics is Stephen Curry. Nobody on the Celtics is
even Klay Thompson, thank you, Right. So it's like when
we saw I think that we look at that that's
an outlier. It would be like saying, well, Tom Brady
was drafted in the sixth round, so every time in
the sixth round, we should take a quarterback, right, Like,

(05:44):
it doesn't exactly work that way because Tom Brady is
an outlier. Steph Curry and Klay Thompson we're.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Outliers and we got to get him at number one
ninety nine exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
So like when you see a team like Jason Tatum
in Game one zero for five from three, right, they
end up losing this game. Like, if I'm zero for
five from three, do I take Do I go zero
for seven from three?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I think I'll probably put the ball on the rack.
I put the ball in the court rather and go
to the rack exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
And that's where the mental midget aspect comes into play
with a lot of these teams. And you know, again,
I don't want to knock this generation of players. I
enjoy watching these guys play, but I don't think everybody
plays with the level of smarts. You know that they
should all the time because perfect example, the other night,

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I'm watching the game. You know, team is up twenty
five points and they jacking up threes. You don't need
threes anymore, right, And so to me, it's always been
a fifty to fifty proposition shooting threes. The Celtics are
not a great shooting team. Yes, they made difference between
making a three and being a three point shooter, and

(06:57):
a lot of these guys get really messed up in
the head thinking that this steph as you mentioned O
Klay Thompson, and you're not you can make a three.
I can make a damn three. Sheesh. But I'm not
gonna be out there living and dying by them. And
so to me, that's the problem. It's knowing game management.
And I don't think and that goes back to Missoula.

(07:19):
I don't think he's really good at that. I don't
think he's really good. I don't even believe he's able
to get in these guys faces when they're messing up
and say, hey, this is what we're gonna do. I
think he I don't want to say he cowards, but
it leans on that a little bit too. You know,
it's like, I'm gonna leave these guys alone because my
job is dependent on how happy Jason and jailing off.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think part of that as well is, they say, professionally,
especially in a business like this one, right, it's about
how you get introduced with somebody to somebody. Like in
my previous radio life, I was a board hop and
phone screener and I was trying like hell to be
able to do updates at the top of the bottom
of the hour. Right then I come here, I get
walked in the door by Rob Parker, get vous for

(08:04):
by Chris Bussard, and now, all of a sudden, you know,
fast forward a couple of years, I get my own slot.
Right after that, I go to the update anchors and
I was like, hey, can I fill in a few shots?
I'm like, sure, why not? Right? Because I was introduced
into the Fox Sports radio as a talent. If I
had been pushing buttons behind the scenes, I probably would
have had to fight a little bit harder to get that.

(08:25):
Joe Mizzoula was on the back bench as the head
coach when this whole thing started, right, and then you
end up email Udoka goes on the finals run. We
know what happened with that, know why he's now in
Houston after all of that. Scottle Butt ended up coming
out in the wash. Joe Mizzula was introduced to these
guys as the assistant coach. Right, then, not only do

(08:45):
you do that, you take away a team leader in
Marcus Smart, who is a guy who was kind of
the voice on the floor. You remove that and you
replace him with Chris as Porzingis. And I think to
your point, it is kind of a scenario in which
Jason two Jays, Jason and Jason and Jalen are running
the show in a way that you don't necessarily even see.

(09:06):
For example, in Cleveland who JB bickerstaff. His job is
pretty much dependent on what they do in this series, right,
They need to have a good showing in this series,
especially after the way that they laid down in Game
eighty two to try to manipulate the standings to get
the magic right now because they could have been the
two Shie right, they could have been playing, they could
have been playing against the Pacers right now, but they

(09:28):
didn't want to see Joel embiid them in round one.
They wanted to make sure they got out of round one,
so they did that, all right, box check took seven
games against a team in Orlando that couldn't hit a
three to say their lives right. That was the outset
offensive basketball back. That was like watching some high school
offenses like, man, I see you open, buddy, but now
I'm on pal, can you make a shot? But we

(09:49):
see that, we see Evan Mobley coming into his own
in Game two, you already outline the missing of christ
As porzingis. What are you expecting to see out of
the Cavaliers in their first home game in this series?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well? Excitement, you know the first five minutes, maybe even
the first two minutes. It's gonna tell a lot about
you know this series. You know which team is gonna
come up and play with the tenacity that they need.
You know, Boston's on the road and so you've lost
home court advantage. Basically, are you gonna get it back

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as a number one seed? Are you gonna play as such.
But also, now you flip it around Cleveland, Hey, we
just stole home court advantage or took it, whatever terminology
you want to use. Are we gonna be smart enough
to hold on to it and keep pressure on Boston.
So these are the dynamics of this series. But I
think Cleveland as Donovan goes so today. But at the

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same time, you know, Darius Garland's got to play better.
I mean, he's been so inconsistent. You an All Star,
you gotta play better. You know. The injury that Jared
Allen hurts tremendously. But at the same time, I think
they can survive, you know, because Mobley's stepped up and
Kavis Lavert has played well. So all these guys, even

(11:07):
Tristan Thompson, the human victory segette, has performed, you know, decently.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Just remember America, Tristan Thompson is out here logging important
minutes in playoff games at twenty twenty four. Don't ever
let anyone tell you you're too old to do something, Okay,
because it's Tristan Thompson is definitely at this point too
old to be a significant playoff contributed But sure as
hell when you turn the game on, he'll be out there.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
He just has rebound. He just have to stop shooting shots,
get the opposite rebounds. Bang with these guys. That's gonna
be key for Cleveland. But let me go back to
Boston right before. I believe that. You know, the Marcus
Smart trade hurt Boston so much because it took their
identity from them. You know, the guy, like you said,
that was getting people's faces and wasn't afraid of anybody.

(11:56):
Jew Holliday defensively is a lot like Marcut Smart, but
he doesn't have that. You know, He's not the getting
your face kind of guy. And so to me, that's
the difference. Jews a nice guy. You know, he's gonna
do his thing, but he's not gonna get mad at
people and all that and upset and rough of feathers.
But Marcus Smart will, and I think they're gonna miss

(12:16):
that well.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Also to your point, Drew Holliday's first year in Boston, right,
Marcus Smart was entrenched, was established, that had been through
different coaches, different lineups. He was the main say, he
was the rock of that lineup. You know, we had
seen Marcus Smart, but he's been a Celtica. Damn Near's
whole career prior to being traded to Memphis, and you
know it didn't work out in Memphis so much so,

(12:38):
but I can't I feel you on that, like he
would be still a valuable addition to this team, to
this Celtics team and give them a level of toughness
that it seems like they are missing in Boston. I
don't know how many times Joe Miszula watched The Town
this weekend, but those are some tough guys in that movie.
So we'll see if he's able to pull from some
of That's a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
You say you don't remember that story.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yes, so that was the story how he was. He
said he would watch the Town almost every day, which
you know.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh I missed that one. Really that was last came
out of last year to get some inspiration.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I guess. So you know, you know when when a
bucket fullham in a car full of nuns turn and
look at you. When that came forty seven, you probably
turned to look out the white right. I would too
if if I was the other team. But we'll see, man,
because I know this. The Cleveland Cavaliers take a two
one lead in this series Monday Night, it's gonna be fun.

(13:35):
You know, Monthy, especially on Monday on the talk shows,
be like, are they like because here's the thing, Jason
Tatum says, they're not a super team. It's like, yo,
I feel you all right? In construction. Sure, there's a
lot of drafted players there. Maybe you trade for Holiday,
you signed for Zenas whatever. You finished fourteen games above
the next seat, all right, you finished fourteen games. There's
a bigger gap between first and second in the East

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than that was between first and the playing team in
the West. You dominated your conference from start to finish.
So people, you know, silling me expect them to dominate
in the postseason as well.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, the fact that Jason Tatum publicly made that statement,
he's right, I don't believe they're a super team because
he confirmed it, you know, right, And so to me,
it's about what you believe. You call me a super team,
Hell yeah, I'm gonna be Yeah, we're a super team.
I mean we have the number one record, you know,
we have a three hundred million dollar guy, we have

(14:29):
I mean, we have everything. But at the same time,
you know, if you're not believe in it, then you know,
the hell with it. But my thing is always going
to be there's sections to every team, Okay, where people
are responsible. Jail and Jason, Drew Holly, those got the players.
Derek White, you're responsible for about sixty percent. Sure, Okay.

(14:54):
Coaches they're responsible for maybe another twenty five, you know,
because they out on the floor and then the rest
is you know, all the ancilev dudes. But at the
same time, it's like, come on, man, if you guys
are not going to commit to this and say, hey, yeah,
we lost this game, what determined What I would have
said is, you know what, they play better than us,

(15:15):
we'll right the ship. Just like Denver. Look at Denver
two to oh, you know, first two games at home
they lose, what do they do. They're like, hey, we
gonna get you know, this thing back on track. That's
what good teams do.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
You were talking about belief, Well, belief in this team
right now for mits fan base is sky high. But
you know what else is pretty as longer than the
CBS receiet the injury report? Will the injuries do this
team in? Will have that coming up next? Martin Wis's
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(16:49):
to this The New York Knicks. Man. I tell you what,
watching these Knick games, especially the ones that have been
in Madison Square Garden, have been awesome.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
You see, it's almost like a a high school reunion
or a Knicks reunion. Watching you see him on the sideline,
you know, he's just somebody yelling at the Reds. Wait,
that's John Starks. You'll see somebody else helping the player up. Wait,
that's Stefan Marberry.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
You know, only guy missing Charles.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Oakley, But that's different show.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I think he'll continue to be missing from those
games as far as what I've read recently. But also
missing from the Knicks is like half the lineup, right,
Mitchell Robinson. Just just this postseason, Mitchell Robinson went down
bogged on bog Nan if it's went down two big
time bench players, even though the joke is TIBs never
plays his bench. Well, he played those guys enough for
where they got hurt. And then now today are for something

(17:40):
Tomorrow's game rather og and a new and be ruled
out for Game four. Jalen Brunson. We saw the impact
that his foot injury had on him early in Game three.
Who's able to fight through it. But I mean, Olden,
what do you with this next team? I feel like,
first check me on this. I feel like the Knicks
are significantly better than the Pacers as a roster, as

(18:00):
a team, just as a construction. But the only thing
to me that feels like they can hold this team
back from advancing to the Eastern Conference Finals is the
injury report.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, you're absolutely right, and I'll start with the number
one injury, which is Og out Ofobi, because he's the
catalyst for the Knicks. Everybody's saying it's jailing Brunton, yes,
but at the same time, Og does so much more
that you don't even get credit for, and to me,

(18:30):
he's the glue that really turned this team around. When
that trade was made, you know, they got rid of
some guys that you know, people are like man, they
traded all those guys like no, but they had people
waiting to play, you know, McBride was one of them,
and so it's like, hey, we needed to get these
guys out so we can play younger guys. And we

(18:51):
also picked up Og out Ofoby, who's always been like
one of my favorite guys to watch play basketball. But
at the same time, the problem for the Knicks is
gonna be injuries. Now, Brunson's hobbled. We don't know to
what extent. You know, he pulled that Willis reed the
other day, and so to me, that's another thing you
gotta worry about. And then you gotta worry about also

(19:12):
Josh Hart playing forty eight minutes every game. How much
longer can he last doing that? Because eventually it's gonna
take a toll. So to me, those orange and blue
skies they turn it, they're gonna look great. One more injury,
you know. So it's tough right now, but they've they've
managed to play. They are so scrappy. The Vincenzo's planes

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butt off and all those guys, you know. The Mitchell
Robinson injury definitely hurts, you know, because that's a backup
to a Hart. To Stein, I'm not worried about, you know,
Randall being out. I think they're way better without him,
you know, But I think, O, g Mitchell Robinson, you know,
and we've got a monitor Jeleen Brunson. Now he goes down,

(19:56):
it's a rap.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
See. I was kind of with you on the it
doesn't matter about Randall, but like you can't tell me
that Randall wouldn't be helping at this point right as
long as the injury report is right.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Now, he's too selfish. That's the problem. You know, a
lot of the shots Jalen Brunson's getting now, he wouldn't
be getting, just like Josh Hart all these guys, because
Randal is just I don't like his game. I think
he's just a selfish individual. Now that's my personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, you're perfectly at to have it. But the thing
is that it's not opinion but fact. The New York
Knicks in the regular season twenty and three with Ognnobi
in the lineup. Yes, to your point about Brunton, I
think part of the reason why Brunton is able to
get off in the way he's doing right now is
because Ognanobi is attracting something like you have to respect
him from the three point line, so it provides spacing.

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Then on the defensive side of the ball, he's a
great defender, so he's able to cut the water off
whenever somebody. You know, he's gonna win his defensive matchup
more often than not. And then he's just versa. He's
a versatile player. And when you look at what the
nick needed, especially when you look at a guy like
Josh hart O. J Nanobi has played similar to hart
but he's a better offensive player. Right when ogn Ando

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became in that with at Game three, when Brunton went
down those Game two when Brunston got hurt. Initially, oh,
Jannobi had took twenty eight points in the first half. No,
it's nobody else on the Knicks that can do that.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
And you know what was funny about that twenty eight
was that nothing was forced. Yep, not one single shot
was forced. He takes what the defense gives him. He
works hard. I mean, that's pretty much the whole team.
But I love that whole Villanova trifecta thing. My goodness.
All they need now is what Michel Bridges.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
If thanks are somehow able to get Michel Bridges right now,
I would love their chances to get to the East
the Conference semi find mean Eastern Conference Finals as they
try to progress against the Pacers. Let's now progress over
to Kevin Wire. We'll have Mark Medina coming up right
after this update. But Kevin, right now, what's trending in
the world of sports, my guy?

Speaker 7 (21:59):
Yeah, NBA playoffs, they say they're about eleven minutes or
so from tip off between the Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics.
Over in the Cleveland No, christophs porzingis for the Celtics,
Jared Allen, Craig, Porter, Ti Jerome all out for Cleveland,
as this series tied at one game apiece. In the
earlier game the Dallas Mavericks Oklahoma City Thunder, Game three

(22:21):
of that series, it's the Dallas Mavericks taking the lead, and.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
The pocket passes stolen by Joel and then his best
stolen by Luca.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
There comes Dodgets three or two to the ram take along.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
He's starting, he Chopick and.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
He finished up Mavericks Radio Network with the call the
Big Three, PJ. Washington, Kyrie Irving, Luka Dattch combining for
seventy one points as the Mavericks take a two to
one series lead. Not to be outdone, though, Shake Gilgels
Alexander did have himself an outstanding performance in the loss.
He had thirty one points. He also had himself five blocks,
and I had to look that up because five blocks

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by a point guard is a lot, and it's actually
the second most in a game in NBA history. Vet
fred Van Fleet got six on January twenty fourth of
this year against the Charlotte Hornets, so that's the all
time record in a game for a point guard. Shake
Gale Just Alexander's tig with several others for second most
all time with five, also had himself six assists ten rebounds,
But camming up just short is Shake Guil Just Alexander

(23:20):
and the Thunder as Dallas takes that series lead. In
the NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs, it's the Hurricanes and Rangers.
They're nearing the second intermission, Carolina on top three to
two as they're trying to come back from a three
to nothing series deficit, and at ten o'clock the Stars
an Avalanche set to get going. Over in Denver, Major

(23:42):
League Baseball Action, Pirates and Cubs. They're in the sixth
inning with Pittsburgh in front nine to eight, Tigers on
top of the Astros eight to two. They're in the
eighth inning, the White Sox leading the Guardians two to one.
They're in the fifth, Giants leading the Reds four to one.
They're in the fifth inning over in San Francisco, clinging
to a one nothing lead against the Cardinals. In the

(24:03):
fifth inning at Rangers Rockies. That game is still in
the second early inning. Early they are scoreless. About to
get going in the next ten minutes. Dodgers and Padres
down in San Diego. A couple other games Royals and
Angels will get going at nine thirty Eastern time, and
at nine forty Athletics and Mariners in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Back to you guys, thanks Kevin. Uh, I guess we
do not have Medina? Patrick? Or we got Mendina coming
up now? Or okay, well can we get Medina? You
want to give him a call? Huh? What do you
say about that? All right, let's see if we can
get Mark Medina in just a little bit here as
as we progress through the NBA. You know what, dudes,

(24:42):
real quick, I got time for this as Patrick dollas Medina.
This is my this is my next biggest beef with
watching these games. Besides the playoffs. You tell me if
I'm onto something, besides the commercials, I should say, because
the commercials is the worst. When I was a kid,
I don't know what happened. I felt we had a
million different commercials to watch, all the different like you'd
be the same companies advertised, but you'd be more just
commercial diversity. Like now, we see the same commercials every break.

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But the thing that drives me insane, it drives me nuts.
I've been on the radio all damn day saying this
game was gonna start an eight thirty eastern. Now it
is eight thirty three Eastern and not a game is
being played. I'm looking at sideline reporters. I'm looking at
guys with their warm up still on. Why can't we
say the game is gonna start at the time that

(25:28):
the dog on Internet says the game is gonna start.
I don't understand it. Maybe Mark Medena can help me
answer the question, Mark, how are you doing, my friend?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I am doing well. Get to talk some hoops. So yeah,
I have a very simple answer to that question.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
It's easy.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's TV commercials. They want to make the money.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
It just drives me nuts. They say the game start
today thirty. We're not gonna see this game start to
eight forty five. What if I got something to do? Anyway,
that's not neither here nor there. Let's talk about the
game that may eventually start at some point in the
next thirty min minutes or so. The Cavaliers and the Celtics. Mark,
I told you will before the playoffs started. I said,
if the Celtics lose like four or five games throughout

(26:08):
the entire side of the Eastern Conference, I'm not taking
them seriously. They've already lost two or now. If they
go down two to one, it will be apocalyptic in
terms of the commentary that we see Monday on TV
leading up to the next game four. Where are you
at with this series is the Celtics and the Cavaliers.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, where I'm at with the series. I think that
the Celtics will still win. I actually think that they're
going to win Game three because ironically they're a better
road team than a home team in the playoffs, and
they seem to play better when they feel challenged. But
I think big picture, even though I think that they'll
still get to the NBA Finals, I have concerns about
their ability to win a championship. First of all, when

(26:47):
or if well Chursouf Forzingis ever play again. Secondly, the
Celtics I don't think can get away with having this
kind of attitude and level of inconsistency versus any Western
Conference contender, and I think four teams in the West
High have a viable chance. The Denver Nuggets, the Minnesota Temberwolves,

(27:08):
Oklahoma City Thunder, the Dallas Mavericks. I think all four
of those teams right now, assuming no major injuries on
either of those teams, would beat the Celtics in the
NBA Finals series.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
All Right, I kind of agree with you there, But
what about Donovan Mitchell and him individually in terms of
the things that he's got going on? As Mark, I'm
joined here also with Olden Polonies, but Donovan Mitchell to me,
has been one of the more impressive scores in this postseason.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah, I mean, this is what makes them such a
special player. And I think that he really has a
perfect combination of knowing when to try to be the
guy and carry the team on his own and then
also rely on some of his teammates. But recently it's
been about, hey, he's got to carry the team. And
the Cleveland Cavaliers they've had some dueling identities because when

(27:56):
he was out, they were able to rely on some
of their depth, whether it was you know, Daris Carlin,
Nevin Boboy, Jared Allen. Sometimes when he's been playing he
hasn't had to carry, but lately it's been about Donovan Mitchell.
But you know what, in the playoffs, this is what's
about that your best player, for whatever reason, has to
be the guy that's willing and able to carry the

(28:17):
team if necessary. But I will say that if his
other teammates elevate their play, he won't hesitate down in it.
Back so speak just to make sure that he has
more threats around him.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Hey, Mark Olden, here, let's stay with Cleveland for a
little bit. What are you hearing regards to Jared Allen?
Because I know that's a big injury, you know, for
the Cavaliers not having this guy. So are you hearing
anything about a timeline and when he can be back
or if any.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's a very good question. Old And then there hasn't
been clarity on timeline. It's really just stay to day.
I think that there would be a pathway for him
to return because you know, more than anyone else, especially
in the playoffs, there's a difference between being injured and
being hurt and knowing how Jared Allen is. You know. Ever,
besides his initial injury at the beginning of the season,

(29:08):
he really took a source of pride with trying to
improve his durability with the way he trains, and so
knowing how he is and talking of this season, I
would see him being able to return. But this is
a pretty serious injury. So if he is now because
of because of what's going on, this is a sign

(29:28):
that it's serious. Because Sharon Allen went just for anything,
especially concerning it's the playoffs, speaking of.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
A guy wouldn't just sit for anything. We got ogn
Andobi right now out for Game four tomorrow over the
Knicks Pacer series. This is one of those stats you
got a triple check. But the Knicks twenty and three
with ojji Enanoby in the starting lineup in the regular season,
what do you think missing him? What impact that will
have on New York is they try to advance against
or try to you know, win another game, I should

(29:55):
say in the Pacer series.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Well, it's a huge impact because he's a two way player.
The reason this is one of the reasons why they
got him before the trade that line. I think it's
just very fitting that even when the Knicks had so
many different injuries with og Andbi Julius Randall, he's an
out for the playoffs. Mitchel Robinson, Bogan Bogdanovitch that they
bill only lost the Pacers by single digits, and so

(30:20):
I think that the Knicks, they've been used to having
to be resilient. And while it isn't comforting that there
are injuries, we've seen that Jalen Brunson can take his
game to another level. I suspect that he will have
a bounce back came four because a lot of his
shots that he missed in Game three were mostly shots
that he normally takes. So I still give the edge

(30:42):
to New York even with their injuries. I mean, they've
been so used to this and they have a lot
of depth that they have what it takes to be
able to overcome it.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Okay, Mark, I have to talk about that huge elephant
in the room. Where did this defensive tenacity of the
Dallas Mavericks come from?

Speaker 3 (31:07):
You know where it came from. His name is PJ. Washon.
It is a huge thing because, as you know, Olden,
they did not play any defense last year. Now, part
of it is because they got rid of all their
good defenders and the Kyrie Irving trade, but there was
a thought last summer when they got Grant Williams. They've
become a better defensive team. It just wasn't there. They

(31:31):
showed splashes here or there, but they came back to
them showing more of their familiar sides. Of it was
Luca Dodgers and Kyrie Irving playing a high level offensively
and no one doing anything else. And so I think
PJ Washington he's been the acts factor. He can defend
one through five. He's very physical. We saw that in
the Clippers series with getting other under certain guys Skins,

(31:55):
especially Russell Westbrook. We've seen that against Oklahoma City as well.
And I think that the other thing that's good with
PJ is he's a pretty good outside shooter, and so
he's given the MAVs additional four stations, the additional options. So
it's not just about Luke and Kyrie carrying the team.
And as much as Luke and Kyrie have those instincts

(32:15):
to do it, I think that they'd be willing to
pass the ballmore in past season so that they felt
they could trust their teammates, and PJ is someone that
they certainly trust.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Oh you saw that him the leading scorer for the
Mavericks today in the win earlier today. But let's talk
about let's move over to the other series in the West,
the Timberwolves and the Nuggets. This is a series that
I feel like the collective of America is like, wait,
what is going on here?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Right?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Like when you have Minnesota play the way that in
the first two games and then play the way they
did in Game three, combined with the way that the
Nuggets played the first two games and the way that
they came out and played Game three, which one of
these things do you think is more likely to continue
the Game two output the Game three output in this
series going forward?

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, it's a really tough question to answer. I think that,
first of all, the game this series is going to
full seven games, But I think that moving forward, what's
more likely to happen Game two or Game three? I
think that I can see that both Denver and Minnesota
playing at a high level, but I can't see moving
forward that we're gonna see certain opponents just laying egg.
I think the Nuggets they were showing some uh you know,

(33:27):
ill fill filled signs, ill fated signs that we saw
in the first round against the Lakers, where they seemed
a little complacent and they're playing with their food in
the first half.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
But you can't do.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
That against Minnesota. And I think with Minnesota it was
a product of finally getting the nuggets best shot and
then missing some three pointers. And so I think that
Minnesota will play more effectively. But now they a local
sleeping giant with the Nuggets. So if I had to
get make a pick, I would go Minnesota simply because

(33:57):
they are the driver's sea was still having a two
to one series lead. But you obviously can't just count
the defending champ for the Nuggets, especially if they're going
to contain to play at this high level.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
All right, Mark, I got a real quick one for you.
Give me a short answer to this one. Mike Budenholder
signs a five year deal with the Phoenix Suns. I'm
gonna set the over under at three. How many are
three and a half? How many years does he coach
in Phoenix?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah? I think in today's NBA coaches are hired to
be fired, So I think three is a safe bet here.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, I think I would definitely take the under as well,
especially you see the way that Matt Eshbia has been
running that franchise since he took ownership of it. But
you know what, Mark, I'd never take the under on you,
my friend. Appreciate you joining the show. Fox Sports Radio
NBA insider Mark Madeena one of the hardest men in
show biz. Thanks for coming on, my friend.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Martin, I want to appreciate all the great work you
do as well.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yes, sir, coming up next, I gotta ask Olden because
you know what, nobody's ever gave it damn about me,
the roach heat, like if he would sign up for
this type of treatment. We'll get to that next. And
of course look in on the Celtics and the as
if they just now get started zero zero there still
with one minute left on a one minute off of
the clock. So far, that'll be next. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1 (35:21):
Martin Weiss, Olden Polonies coming to you live from the
Tirec dot Com studios. Old And as I said at
the break, no one's ever cared enough about me to
try to roast me and feel free to, you know,
give it your best shot. I guess At Martin Weiss
Pandora's box, I've attended one roast in life. But the
difference between that one and the rest of it. This
was my former boss cousin sal who is a comedian

(35:45):
in his own right, right, those fall types of funny
bits and stuff like that. So it was a little
bit of like all of his friends were around, and
they also they wrote their own jokes, right, it's a
kind of a comedian's right, a passage. But to have
Tom Brady get roasted on Netflix like that for not
only that for three hours long, oh my god, you said,
oh my god.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
We watched that thing. Oh my god, it was funny
as man. I would never sit there for three hours
to get roasted like he did. I mean, I was insane.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I guess when you win seven championships, you know, you
wonder like what are they gonna say? But I mean
still they found a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Some of it was cringeworthy. Oh yeah, some of Nicki
Glazer had the best set. Got to give her props
for that, you know. But at the same time, the
everybody had their moments. But it was like damn And
one time I think when they went at craft, Tom
was like, oh no, we ain't gonna talk about the
message thing, you know, so that was like, while it

(36:48):
was borderline, but I'm like, there's no rules in roasting.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
That was actually when I turned it on. So I
cause I saw a tweet come out from somebody on Twitter.
I think it might have been at my sports update.
He was a good follow if you're looking just for
like information and news, but he tweets out almost had
a Will Smith moment at the Tom Brady Rose And
so I'm watching it and I'm like, well, this isn't
very you know, you know, talk about Will Smith moment.

(37:13):
Keep my wife's name out your MF and mouth. You're
expecting that it's gonna be h, you know. And then
all of a sudden, Tom Brady gets up drinking hands
like yo, don't you say that that's again? I was like, whoa,
We did almost have a.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Will Smith moment. It was crazy, man, But again I
still don't believe that was real. Man, Look if not.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I was watching that live with my girlfriend, who's an
entertainment journalist. She was like, wait, is that real? And
I said, look that man, Will Smith walked up like
he knew he was about to hit him in the face.
I know that I've seen that look on people's face.
Sometime when they walking towards me. If I was Chris Rock,
the best advice I would have gave is.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
God, I wish Will would have slapped me.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
See, I don't know if we would have been able
to reach bro.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I think every thing about that thing is that there's
certain people you know you can hit, and there's certain
people you know damn well you can't put your hands
anywhere near them. And that was one of those moments,
you know. But anyway, getting back to the roast the best,
like I said, it was amazing, you know, and I
love Gronk man that joke about the big Cooin. Oh

(38:26):
my god, she said, even Gronk is small enough in
the Big Coin, even Gronk.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
No, yeah, that was I feel like you said, just
a villegolect top to the departed, Like there's guys you
could hit and the guys you can't hit. I'm the
type of guy that decides who's the guy you could
hit the guys you can't hit.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
But uh, when I have people selling oranges on the
side of the freeway, you.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Drinking cranberry juice? Anyway? Uh? Yeah, No, First that I
didn't love the fact that he kind of got up
and felt the need to defend this seventy something year
old billionaire who was like, I mean, he's got enough
money to buy this entire thing. Like I think we're good.
I think he's good here, he's got his own back.
But uh yo, but you would so you would never
sign up to do the roast of all the polonies.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
No, not to be roasted. I've done roast where I've
roasted you know the person. But you're not gonna talk
about me. I mean, I wouldn't mind. But at the
same time, know that it comes back same thing. Make
you laugh, will make you cry, I mean, and me,
I'm I'm petty. I will make it. I will dig

(39:38):
deep like I want to cut.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I can see it now. Olden at his roast taking notes.
So it's like, oh, okay, look out below, pal, you're
going to get yours.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I'm coming.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah. No, I don't think that, you know, I suppose
you know, making fun of somebody is the best way
to show you care.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
About them or something. I don't know, how about just
I care? So that's how you showed I care about you,
Old and.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Quickly on this Boston and Cleveland game, right, it seems
to me you. You highlighted it earlier with the loss
of kristaphs Worzingis, and so did Mark Medina as well.
But I think Kristaps Warzingils that have something to do
or something to say at least about the way that
Evan Mobley has been playing in the last two games.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
He's been bawling. Yeah, he has, I mean, because he
has no resistance. I mean Al Horford he's you know,
he's serviceable, but he's older and he's not going to
be able to stay with Evan Mobley. He's not athletic enough.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, I think then, you know, when you really think
about it, the move for Christaps was kind of the
thing that they felt put them over the top.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Another big you're leaning further into Joe Missoula's strategy of
let's shoot every single three pointer. There's no such thing
as a bad three point shot in Joe Mizoula's mind,
and we know that Kristaps doesn't mind shooting him. But
coming up next, speaking of coaches like Joe Missoula, we
have some coach moving around over here in the western
part of the country. We'll break that down. That's right,

(41:02):
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Speaker 2 (41:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I know a lot has happened since the year twenty twenty,
but Frank Vogel won a championship that year and has
since been fired twice now, once from the Los Angeles Lakers,
now this most recent time from the Phoenix Suns. And
I don't know exactly what Vogel was supposed to do here,
like you know, the office space, What is it that

(41:37):
you do here? Like I don't know what he was
supposed to do with Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, and Grayson Allen.
And I'm sorry Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, Bradley Beal and
Grayson Allen being your fearsome forsome to try to win
a title there. Now you had matt Ishbia at his postseason,
you know, after the season, that postseason, let me get

(41:57):
at the season ending kind of stay of the Suns
talk about how close they were and how twenty six
other teams would trade everything that they got for what
the Phoenix Suns had, and at that time they still
had Frank Vogel. So I, well, I guess we'll see
there should be twenty six other teams lining up to
hire Frank Vogel. By matt Ishbia's math is that how
that works?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Matt Ishbia's math is off. They might want them, but
part and Parcel. I don't want all three of them together.
You know, we can spread them out because they don't mesh. Well,
you know, that was a disaster waiting to happen when
they you know, when they did all those moves. You know,
you bring in three ball dominant guys, Okay and Kevin,

(42:40):
you know, every now and then, you know, he knows
how to pass. He buys his time and he's he's
not a guy that you know he needs a volume
shoot sure, but Booker yes, Bill yes. And so to me,
that again, that was an accident waiting to happen with them.
So I don't know what they expected a Vogel, you know,
And it's it's almost it's crazy to me because he

(43:02):
gets he gets burned all the time. You know, he
won the championship with the Lakers in Boom you Gotta Go.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Got fired in the middle of a game. I mean
in the post game press conferencer, you're hearing, hey, Frank,
So tweets came out that the Lakers are looking on
moving on from you after a win.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
After man, it's insane. But you know, they had injuries.
You know, Grace and Allen Bill played sparingly throughout the season,
so it was a lot of stuff going on with
the Suns and they just didn't play well. And so
to me, you know, getting swept by Minnesota said a
lot about this team. And again I don't know what

(43:44):
what Matt is looking at. And so now they bringing
Bultenholzer who was let go by the Milwaukee Bucks. And
I mean after, you know, he won a championship and
in what two years later, he's fired. So it's just
saying I think Mark said, you know, yeah, you get
hired to be fired, and that's how it.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Is pretty much good thing that money is all Garrett.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
But you know what, I will say this, I don't
believe coaches should get rehired right away. I think they
should all sit out of you Why is that because
they just need to clear their heads. Just get some
things right, because no other professional you getting fired and
you're getting rehired and you're getting better jobs. That's insane

(44:29):
to me. That's the most insane thing in the world.
I'm getting an upgrade. So I ruined this organization, whether
my fault or not, and I'm getting an upgrade. That's
come on, Sit out of you, everybody.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Well, Butenholzer did sit out a year. And it's funny
because the last thing that I remember was the last
play of Mike Budenholder's Bucks career was Grayson Allen euro
stepping as the clock expired in the first round against
the Miami Heat. He was then fired because you know,
he was not ab to get the entire you know,
get as much as he could out of that Milwaukee team.

(45:05):
And now he's replacing a guy who, in matt Ishpia
and the rest of the Phoenix Sun's brain trust eyes
was not able to get enough out of that team.
So what could go wrong?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Like everything?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Like I was, I was kind of tongue in cheek
right as I said that. You know, as Medina Bodenholder
signs a five year deal, he'll earn fifty plus million
throughout the course of the deal, set the over under
at three and a half. Would you take the over
or the under? I too would take the under because
as much as the coach either. This is the third

(45:40):
coach in three years now the Sons, And remember they
were in the finals not too long ago, this Son's team,
and then they ended up moving on from Donte william
DeAndre aight, and move on from him now they kicked
Monty Williams up to Detroit. And do you want to
talk about somebody stealing money anyway? That's the topic for
another day. But uh life, I mean, highest paid coach,

(46:04):
worst record, how about that? Anyway? Uh where do you
think the Sons go from here? Do you expect to
see Mike Budenholzer do anything? I mean, I feel like
the cards are already stacked against him, The decks are
already stacked against him walking into Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I'm gonna say this is the best way I can
describe it. Again, we go back to coaches and teams
take on personalities. What's Frank Vogel's personality that the Suns
will take and embrace? We don't know what it is, sure,
And so what you have are individuals you know. And
so we've watched good coaches, man and the teams. You

(46:44):
know they have a tenacity because the coaches to nations.
Jerry Sloan is the guy that comes to mind. In Utah,
everybody played the way Jerry played, and so it was
you embraced that. You know, pat Riley, you know the
swag the Lakers played that way because that was pat Riley.

(47:05):
You know, hardworking Miami Heat. Right now, they take on
Sposal's personality. Heat culture. Key culture starts at the time.
What's Vogel's personality, What's Bootenholzer's personality. So now you're asking
these all stars, future Hall of famers, to take on
a quiet demeanor, you know, low level. I don't know.

(47:30):
I don't know what it is, and it's insane, and
these guys they keep forgetting that part of the equation.
I have to bring in a guy, you know that
these guys will respect and they gonna play hard for
And if I can't get that, then I might as
well go into college ranks, go find somebody there. I
don't know, it's just weird Lakers. At the same thing

(47:52):
with Darvin Ham and this guy went to the West
Conference Finals and one, forty seven games, he still got fired.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, we'll talk about the Lakers and just a little bit.
That'll be the next I've been coming up. But I mean,
to the point, Vogel forty nine wins, avoided the playing
tournament and just ran into a young buzzsaw and Anthony
Edwards in the Minnesota Timberwolves. Who I mean you think
that Ispio looks any differently after he saw the way
that games one and two of the next series went
for the defending champion Denver Nuggets as they ran into

(48:24):
the Timberwolves bus saw as.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well, well, you know what, that was an aberration. Here's
what happened with Denver in the first two games. They
did the defending champion mentality, and they didn't take them seriously. Okay,
that's what it was. Where did defending champions? They young,
they haven't been here before, and so they're like, okay,

(48:47):
we're gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
And they had just knocked them out the year prior.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Exactly, and so we're like, okay, boom, all of a sudden,
they came out pow pow, and Denvers, oh wow. Referees
were making the calls that Denver normally gets. Yeah, and
that threw them off.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
The officiating a game too, I mean it was you
had to attempt murder to get a foul called on it.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
They were letting everything go reminists of the eighties and nineties,
and I was loving it.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I mean not only everything. I mean Michael Malone ran
out of the court like it was a baseball mastering,
no tech, nothing, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
It was like why they just said, you know what,
We're just gonna let it be, and Denver could not recover.
And then the second game, similar stuff. But they just
shot bad, they played poorly, and that's okay. But Game
three they righted the ship, and I think they're gonna
win the next game, you know, get their home court back,

(49:45):
and they'll win the series. I believe they're gonna win
the series.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Well I'll tell you what if you do, you go
ahead and make a nice little bit of scratch on
that one, if you wanted to go to your local
sportsbook and put that in, because Denver nug is still
underdogs in the series as far came out prohibited favorites.
But obviously you lose two games in a row at home,
especially that second game the way it was then then
you'll end up, you know, being an underdog game.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I saw a team lose three in a row and
came back and won. I mean, it has happened before.
And they're the Jack one High team, Boston Celtics.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
It has happened before.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
This Boston team as we look here right now, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Wait did they win that serious? Oh am I messing around?
I don't. I might have to double check that one.
When they went three to Miami, I don't remember if
they won. No, they push it to seven. They pushed
it to seventhi ed up winning, that's right. But they
got the seventh, so okay, they at least got it
to that. So I think Devera gets hit the seven,

(50:44):
they're gonna win the game seven at home.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
And to your point, I do think we've never seen
the three to zero series end up going the other way.
But it's coming. It's coming, especially the way that these
teams play now, especially if you look at a team
like Boston. There's many three pointers as a shot in
the NBA today. The variance on the three point shot, like,
I get it, it's it's one more than two. I

(51:07):
also took math, but You can't tell me that forty
percent from three is better all the time than fifty
five sixty percent from two.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Listen, I look at it this way. Every shot is
a fifty fifty proposition. It either goes in or it doesn't.
The problem with the three pointer is this, if you miss,
it has to go in. It has it has no
other choice but to go in because if you miss,

(51:37):
fast break right. And that's the problem. And that's why
I'm saying a lot of teams, I don't mind you
shooting threes. I don't mind you living and dying by threes,
which you gotta know time and score when you're gonna
take that three. You can't just come down and shoot
a three every single time, especially when it's defended wide open.
You should always take a wide open three. I'm a

(51:57):
firm believer in that. If you're wide open, but don't
just shoot a three just to shoot a three.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Well that Joe Mizula would laugh at you with that take,
because that's all they want to do is shoot threes
and layups. I think they're taking it a little too
far exactly when it comes to it, because to me,
the playoffs in general come down to how many people
do I have on my team that can get a
bucket when we are when there's six six seconds left

(52:24):
on the shot clock, we've already ran our action. It
wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Now what now?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
What do we do? It's part of the reason why
I like the Mavericks over the Thunder, because you got
two guys in Luca and Kyrie that'll be able to
break down the defense and get a high quality shot
whenever they want to. Right, And you think when you
look at NBA team, that's kind of the way I
look at the postseason, Right, how good defense do you play?
How well do you rebound? How many guys do you
have that can get a bucket when everything is ugly? Right? Then,

(52:50):
I think the Celtics they have a few guys who could,
but all they want to do is side stepe and
shoot threes.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I'll get I'll go back to the game, the pace,
his Knicks game, nem Haart making that shot. I give
him ten more shots attempts, He'll miss all of them.
I mean, I'm dead serious. In that moment, in that situation,
he eaved that thing up from across his chest and
it happened to go in.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Look, he was surprised. He was surprised, and he bailed
out Tyreese Halliburton to who passed him what they called.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I don't know what. I was like, how do you
even pick up that ball?

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, Tyreese Halliburton, to me, he was a good story
in the first half of the season, but to me
he ultimately would be the reason why the Knicks end
up advancing because he's just not at the something about
the playoffs, man, I know, Shaq always says it, did
you watch his TNT broadcast? Act Well, I need more,
I need more? And it's like as much as Tyre's
Halliburton can play, and he's you know, he's out there

(53:46):
running around getting his numbers, getting his points. It's like
when the when the rubber meets the row man when
it's crunch time, how well do you depend on him
to get the shot up?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
And it's I don't yeah, well, I don't know. I'm
not going to speak on that young man. He's really
made himself into a player, an all star, but ooh man,
he's getting some empty calories. You know, some of those
like the thirty five the other night that was in
an empty that was horrible because it really didn't affect

(54:17):
the game, you know, and yesterday you know, he's the
first one. And which is crazy to me to stat
to have thirty points in back to back games with
five May threes. I'm thinking to myself, Damn, Reggie never
did that. That was insane of a stat. But again,
it's like, you have to impact the game. If you're

(54:38):
an All Star, you have to, right, And he's just
getting empty calories right now. It's just a lot of
you know, Luckily for them, they won that game, but
the Knicks, to me, the Knicks gave that game away
more than the Pacers wonted.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I tend to agree with that one. Coming up next,
we'll dive into the Lakers coaching shirt. Which podcaster will
be the next head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers me.
We'll break that down coming up next. Well, you know
what podcasts will be coming out of this too. We're
both eligible, Lebron, think about it. Give us a call.
I'm available, all right, I'm available, just letting it be

(55:15):
known because that is old and that's my dream job.
To be a fired coach. That's my dream job. If
I can convince one person to hire me, I'll be fired.
Summarily after but that money, you know, a big pat
all guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
All right.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Coming up next Martin and Olden Polonies, Fox Sports Radio,
Martin Weiss Olden Polonies coming to you live from the
Tirack dot Com studios. If you want to join the conversation,
you can get at us on Twitter. I'm at Martin
Weiss and Olden Polonies is at Olden POLONIESE one. We'll
be getting to your tweets throughout the show. Like Samson said,

(55:52):
another clutch Kyrie Dagger to close out Oklahoma City for
the game three win. We'll touch that in just a
a while because of the Mavericks and then Thunder. We'll
get to that at the top of the next hour
as we move through here today. But I got to
ask you, man, the Los Angeles Lakers, they had Mike

(56:12):
Budenholzer apparently was on the list of coaches they were
interested in. Well he's gone down to Phoenix. Kenny Atkinson
on the list as well, and most notably Lebron's podcast
co host JJ Reddick. They may be taking that conversation
behind closed doors. As you know, we see the Mind
the Game podcast is apparently one of the better ones
out there. Hand up my bad. I'm not a subscriber,

(56:34):
Patrick Beverly, do not get upset with me. You gotta
subscribe to your podcast either. But what do you make
of the idea that JJ Reddick, fifteen year NBA vet
but zero year NBA head coach could potentially get his
first head coaching job coaching Lebron James and you're twenty two.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Well, I mean there's already precedent, So you know, what
can you say? You know, So Derek Fisher get a
head coach, Jacks, So, Steve k get a head coaching jobs,
and so many other guys. So it is what it is, man,
Jason Kidd. So he's put himself in a position where,
you know, he seems to be knowledgeable. But uh, I

(57:13):
say that with some trepidation. You know, just because you're
going to act like you know what you're doing, doesn't
mean you know what you're doing and coaching NBA basketball,
coaching basketball player. I've been coaching for twenty years now.
And the funny thing about it, I'll say this right quick.
My first job that I got, after the first game,

(57:34):
I reached out to all my ex coaches and I
apologize to that I swear to God, I apologize to
every last one of them, the ones that I could reach,
right because I was like, oh my god, I didn't
even realize it was this difficult. And so to me,
and this was coaching at what level. This was a
pro team, but it was Lord, have mercy, the stuff

(57:56):
you gotta deal with. And so I say that to
say this. You know, JJ Reddick right now, like I said,
he's put himself in a great position to be considered
and they would have to definitely, you know, give him
some knowledgeable assistant coaches, you know. But again, if it
was the Lakers, you might as well as just say

(58:17):
Lebron will be coaching the team, true, okay, and JJ
will be the standing And so to me, that's how
I'm looking at it. So again, the Lakers need a
name right now. They've been doing the no name guys.
They need a name coach. They need a coach of stuff.
It's got to be like a supposed to it's got
to be a Steve Kurt, it's got to be one

(58:38):
of those guys.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
They got to get back to that level, somebody who
has already had an established track record of success in
the league.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Exactly and that is respected. It's the key.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
You took the words right out of my mouth. For me,
it's because here's the thing. Lebron's had like what seven
coaches in twenty one years of playing basketball. That's not
a great record. But when you look down the list,
it's not also not a great record. You know, he
looked on the list. There's nothing, there's no, it ain't no.
Pat Riley's on the list besides Spolstra, right when you
look at his Postry who's had a ton of success

(59:13):
in his career. But you know, still what one Finals
appearance without Lebron, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
it's still still up there in terms of.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
And he was trying to get him fired, right.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
So but to me, when you look at this season,
it was if look, you know more about basketball, You've
forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know, right, haven't
played it at the highest level all around the world.
For me, one thing I knew to be sure and evident,
and one thing I got a ton of experience in

(59:47):
is respect for people. And it was evident that Lebron,
James and Anthony Davis did not have respect, not disagreed,
not you thought there was another way they did not
respect Darvin Ham. I think you go back to the
postseason comments of Anthony Davis. Uh, you know sometimes on
offense and defense, we don't know what to do. Well, Olden,

(01:00:07):
there's only two sides of the ball in basketball. It's
not like the special teams was running the show, right.
And then when you saw Lebron so vehemently and agitated
about not getting that call reviewed, jumping up and down,
stumping on the floor, waving his arms in the air
like he was talking to it, like like that's the

(01:00:28):
level of respect generally that you see reserved for officials,
not the official, that's the head coach of the team.
So I to me, what the Lakers have to do.
They have got to find a name that Lebron and
Anthony Davis not only signed off on in the in
the in the interim, but also have the utmost respect

(01:00:48):
for That to me, is going to be the ultimate
key there, because when things go wrong, as they sometimes will,
the Lakers are going to be pointing at that head
coach for good or for bad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
And that's the problem with the Lakers because right the
last two years, I'll just use the last two years.
I always had Darvinham to blame for anything that happened,
and that's a problem. How about we say, hey, you
know what, we didn't play well. We didn't play hard enough,
we didn't listen to the directions that he gave, we

(01:01:22):
didn't follow the game plan. Those work too, because I know,
damn well, you guys are not perfect, and you guys
are not playing perfect basketball. You guys make a ton
of mistakes. I almost said a bad word. You make
a ton of mistakes during the course of a game.
And I said this to you off air. I like
how the Lakers played when Lebron was out, when he

(01:01:43):
was in street clothes. They just played with a much
more sense of camaraderie, right, you know, and it just
it looked better to me. I'm not saying, oh, no, whatever,
you don't need Lebron. It's just it's that mentality. It's like, okay,
but how do we get that same vibe when he

(01:02:04):
is out there instead of being the guys every through
now when Lebron's in the game, we defer, defer, defer, defer.
But that's Darvin Ham's fault. No, that's you guys's fault.
You guys as players and as management, we have to
look at everything and it's all in play. And so

(01:02:25):
if you're not going to bring in a guy that
can demand that level of respect, or here's another name,
but he's never gonna leave. San Antonio Popovitch, Papa Villdew
had this thing straight today.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
I mean, I think you're out. I hadn't really thought
about these guys who are already entrenched in the league.
But I don't think you're off. What I do think
would be a disastrous decision is hiring JJ Redick. And
he may be a good coach, I don't know. I
don't know, and I think honestly, if you look at
the way that coach won't well to the point you
look at the way the coaches are hired and fired
in this league, we may never even if he gets

(01:03:00):
the opportunity to be a head.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Coach, he's gonna end up being like a Derek Fischer.
He's not I don't think he'll be a good coach
because one of the problems is this, his belief systems, okay,
are not gonna bode well with players. Okay, and by that,
I mean, you know, like you're knocking history. Okay, But

(01:03:25):
now you're gonna be a coach and you're gonna need
that history to reference to your players. You know, oh
they were fire not fireman, they were what insurance salesman's
and you talk bad about Yeah. Problem is you talk
bad about these guys, but at some point in time
as a head coach, you need to reference these guys

(01:03:50):
with the respect they deserved. And so to me, those
are some of the things that will not bode well
for him as a head coach.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Will continue this conversation on the other side, Let's go
ahead right now, kick it to Kevin Wyard for what's
trending in the world of sports. Game three, Kevin, what's
going on?

Speaker 7 (01:04:06):
Yeah, Boston Celtics right now in front of the Cleveland
Cavaliers fifty one forty two with about three minutes ago
before halftime. As it's a Jason Tatamy's got twelve points
to lead the way. We've got Drew Holliday with fifteen
points as well for Boston, Jalen Brown with thirteen. Donovan
Mitchell doing much of everything by himself for the Cavaliers

(01:04:27):
as he's got nineteen points off five to seven, three
point at ten, seven to eleven, shooting overall, but no
one else in double figures for the Cavaliers. Evan Mobiley
does have nine points. This series is tied at one
game apiece, so this is a very pivotal Game three
for either side. Earlier today, we saw the Dallas Mavericks
weet the Oklahoma City Thunder one oh five, one oh

(01:04:49):
one behind huge performances from the big three of the
Dallas Mavericks to combine seventy one points for PJ. Washington,
Kyrie Irving, and Luca Doncic. Jake gild Alexander an outstanding
game in the loss. He had thirty one points, ten rebounds,
six assists, and five blocks. That's the second most blocks
by a point guard in a single game in NBA history.

(01:05:11):
Only Fred Van Fleet, who had six on January twenty
fourth this year against the Charlotte Hornets, has had more
blocks as a point guard in a single game. NHL
Stanley Cup Playoffs, the Carolina Hurricanes look like they're closing
in on their first victory of their series against the
New York Rangers, and the final seconds have ticked down
in Raleigh. The Hurricanes beat the New York Rangers four

(01:05:33):
to three, so after being down three to nothing in
this series. They now make it three to one, trying
to see if they can climb back and make this
a competitive series once more. The second game of the
day coming up in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, the Stars
in Avalanche. Puck's supposed to drop a little over thirty
minutes from now. Major League Baseball Dodgers and Padres are

(01:05:55):
in the fourth inning, top of the fourth and it's
La in front, one nothing, although you do have a
runner on second, one out, so La is threatening. Rangers
have now taken the lead against the Colorado Rockies. It's
two to one in favor of the Rangers. They've reached
the end of the fifth inning in Denver, Cardinals leading
the Brewers three two. They're in the bottom of the
seventh fitting Giants on top of the Reds five to one.

(01:06:15):
At top of the eighth in San Francisco, bat you guys.

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(01:06:40):
head coaching search and as well as looking in on
this game through Right now, we see a Jared Allen
on the sidelines in a T shirt out for this
sixth straight game, Cleveland now trailing by eight as Jason
de Olton. Now make that eleven as no ten. There
you go, that's math. Here we go, all right, at
two minutes left in the second quarter, Old and you

(01:07:02):
turned to me and midway through the second quarter said,
well you got your close game, because I said that
the Celtics scene to never plays close games, either win
by ten or lose by twenty. Where do you think,
I mean the third quarter will be key here? What
do you think we expect to see out of this game?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Well? Right now? The problem is no one's helping Donovan Mitchell.
I mean outside of Evan Mobley. I mean again, Darius Gland,
You're an All Star and you're playing like doodoo, playing poorly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Yeah, not playing great shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Ain't made a shot, you know. The kid, Dean Wade.
He made the first shot and he just missed a
wide open three point And I'm like, dude, that's you.
You have one job, just knock down open shots. So
to me, it's gonna come down to whether Darius Garland
steps up or that. If he doesn't, there's no way
Cleveland can beat Boston, you know, just with Donovan Mitchell,

(01:07:51):
and Donovan's erradic is all out do is So.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Dad would say that, think about Donna Mitchell especially. I
don't know. Man age doesn't seem to have the same
thing it used to right, the same hangs up that
it used to. You got Tristan Thompson out here playing
in NBA playoff games at twenty twenty four. You got
you know, Shaq and Shannon Sharp dropping disc tracks on

(01:08:19):
one another. Like age is not what it used to mean. Man,
it's not what it used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
It used to be some sense of reverence for elders.
It's none of that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Jason tadd with fourteen points going into the Havy's attempting
free throws. Now, Evan Mobley had a monster dunk just
a second ago. To me, I get you on the
Garland thing and he does have to play better. But
to me, I think when Mobley is scoring for this
Cleveland team, it really changes the dynamic of how you
have to guard them, especially when you consider, again no
Christaps porzingis to bother Evan Mobley down there. Al Horford

(01:08:54):
is trying his best, but a guy like Evan Mobley young, springy,
and his offensive game limited right now. But if he's
able to get to the rim as he has the
last few times, especially off some of these pick and
roll lob threat type of things, I think he could
be a real X factor for this team.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Oh definitely. I mean he's he's key. And again you
know Domin Mitchell gotta keep knocking down three pointers. But
you need help. Last time I checked, Like we talked
about you said earlier about math, you know, five playing
good is gonna beat two playing goods. Unless the two
played great, you're not doing it. So right now they

(01:09:33):
need more help. Is see. I was talking about JA
knowing timing score. They just scored down there a three pointer.
I don't need a three attempt. And that's what I'm saying.
These guys, man, a lot of them are mental midgets,
and that part of that is coaching. You know, run
a play, you know that's gonna get you a layup.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
I'll be honest, sitting and watching the Knicks, that's one
of the things that I love the most about them.
They're all dribble handoff. They make things happen, and they
put the defense in fluxtion. Don't get me wrong, You'll
have guys that shoot what Devincenzo's eight to ten guy
eight to ten three point attempts a game when he's
out there brunting upwards of seven three point attempts. But

(01:10:14):
they're running offense, they're moving the ball around, you get
the big man, gets touches throughout the course of the game.
Like it just to me seems they have offense figured
out in a way that is opposite of what we
see for the majority of the NBA, which is kind
of like paying space. How many three pointers can we
get up?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Tims is old school. It's like I'm gonna run you know,
counters and everything else. By the time you figure it out,
there's a guy open in the corner, there's a guy
open over here, and then you know if we if
we miss, we're gonna crash the boards. Get a rebound,
you know long shot, long rebound, they know they doing that,
and so to me, those are the key things. It's
not about I can't get a rebound, come down and

(01:10:55):
shoot a three pointer when you're the only guy that
touched the ball. The Knicks, they move the ball, everybody
touches it, boom, and then I take a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
It's the same thing with the Timberwolves as well. In
my opinion, when you have a guy who is kind
of the apex predator offensively and Anthony Edwards, the thing
that's most impressive to me about his game is he
is not afraid. I shouldn't say most impressive, because what
is most impresive some of them dunks that he'd be
putting on people with yet, but one of the underrated
aspects of his game. He's not afraid to bring the
ball up and make the initial pass and then go

(01:11:25):
cut replace to the corner something like that, because he
knows if he moves without the ball appropriately, he'll get
it back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
The Steph Curry effect. Steph Curry kicks it ahead. When
he gets the ball up, that's when your work begins.
You got to make sure he doesn't get the ball back.
And a lot of these guys when they really know
the game. That's what you do. You will get the
ball back if you give it up. You know. That's
why I say I have problems with guys that just

(01:11:52):
want to come down and shoot. They don't understand. Hey,
the more you move, the more the ball will find you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Absolutely. Right now, the Cavaliers trailing by nine fifty seven
to forty eight at the half, we'll have we'll be
all over this game going forward. But old in it's
time to play a game right here or right now.
I'm not sure if you've ever well know, you've never
played who you Got, but you've played something similar. I'm
sure this is how it all breaks down. Our producer

(01:12:20):
over there, Patrick Sweeka, has picked an athlete, okay, and
he'll give us a few clues, a few hints, and
we have to try to guess who this athlete is. See,
the key is supposed to be it's an athlete that's
relevant today, right but not necessarily one that would jump
straight out. So we'll see how Patrick does. Because he's
been talking junk about this to me all day so

(01:12:40):
Farunds good, you know you're never gonna get who you Got.
You're never gonna get who you got. Well, let's just
see how that goes again. Any sport, well, I think
it's well, do we have can you give us a
little preview going on the breakpack?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Clue? I just want to know just just what sport?

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Where are we going?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Any sports?

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Fine?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
If you know any sports? Okay, all right, gave it alone.

Speaker 9 (01:13:00):
I'll say this, Martin knows exactly what I'm thinking, though
I didn't know exactly what you're thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
Maybe you might have.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I could read your mind.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
I think you can.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I know what you're thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
I think that's how you've been able to get some
of these.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
By the way, and don't do basketball because you guys
think I only know basketball, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
I have to give it to Old and he's been
over here talking soccer, talking baseball. He told me a
riveting show. Hal tiny story. Just admitted ago that is
not necessarily safe for the airwaves.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
But we'll be right back with No. I was not
gambling with him or his interpreter.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
No, that probably could make the airwaves. That'd be breaking news.
Old and fall. He's also involved in a federal scam.
Not just kidding. All right, we'll be right back with
the game of who you Got? Martin weiss Olden Poloniese
coming to your live in the tirec dot com studios.
If you want to join the conversation, I'm at Martin
weiss Olden is at Olden Polonese. One like George Sands,

(01:13:52):
only likes to send us a trivia question after we
play this game of who you Got? Let's go ahead
and get this thing started.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Before we do. Can I say something right quick? So
we were talking about the roast, right, So if I
was going to roast you, I would just ask you
a question? White, Where'd that come from? Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I was born with it? The best I got.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I saw the name before I came here. I was like, oh,
it's a white guy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I've been getting that my entire life, believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
My favorite was when uh tell a quick story. When
Colorado beat TCU in the first game of the season.
We were on the air shortly thereafter, and people were
calling me racist because I said Colorado was on the
If they won six games, you'd be a massive success.
They're like, oh, it's racist. He can't get down with time.
I'm like, hold on a minute. P all the way
by Blackest said up, and I don't know that. I

(01:14:43):
don't think it's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Fans say you're the Drake of the radio war.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
They not like us. I'm not out. Don't call me
drake though, I don't know you're paying attention to the
last couple of weeks. But I ain't taking o wheals
like that. All right, let's go get it started.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
It's not rocket side.

Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
We just want to know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Just ask the questions.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Who you got?

Speaker 9 (01:15:09):
All right, Martin and Olden, it is time for the
game of who you got? So I'm gonna start off
giving you guys a three hints here, and when we
go into three hints, we'll go one by one with that.
So let's get started with the first hint. This man
is a former first round pick non lottery by the way.
Number two, he is a one time NBA All Star

(01:15:33):
and also made All NBA Third Team once as well.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
And then for number three, let's go with uh, let's
go with this.

Speaker 9 (01:15:41):
He averaged fifteen point seven points throughout his entire career.
So with that said, Martin and Olden, who you got?

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
We got the first round non lottery pick, one time
All Star, one time thirteam All NBA fifteen point. It's
a game. I have a guess. Okay, I'm gonna guess
Robert Ory.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Oh, good guess, but no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Olden has a look on his face like something smells bad.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Olden, what do you anybody?

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Or who you got? This is crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
That could be so many weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
I know I'm doing here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
I'll get more. Let's get a few more?

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
Does insane?

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
The only one I was thinking of, but I don't
know if he was a first round pick. I was
thinking of Debt left shrimp.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Debt, left shrimp.

Speaker 9 (01:16:37):
No, but a good pull. But no, it's not him.
All right, let's go with I'll give you one more
for this one. Hopefully this narrows it down a little bit.
He has recorded more than ten thousand points in his career,
so it's a player that has gotten more than ten
thousand points.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Ten thousand points, first round or one time All Star,
one time third team All NBA fifteen points a game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Uh stephon Marbury?

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
But no, it's too hard.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
I think I think Martin.

Speaker 9 (01:17:10):
I think Martin is like up to my difficulty here
he gets just because I'm it's me versus Martin's where.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
All one time All Star, All NBA Third Team. Uh three,
Well no, but.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
Good Martin, you got anybody, I'm gonna go in another hint,
Go ahead and go another one?

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
All right? That round?

Speaker 9 (01:17:30):
All right, we'll go with this. This will probably help
a lot. He has played for multiple teams. These teams
included the Boston Celtics, the the the the Charlotte Hornets,
the Pacers, the Timberwolves, and the Utah j S.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Jackson, What was that, Mark Jackson?

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
No, but good, No, that's it's close.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
But Celtics, Hornets, Pacer, Timberwolves, and Jazz Yes, Jeff Hornisack.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Oh but no, I like that.

Speaker 9 (01:18:08):
All right, I'll go with I got my one more
because VJ was telling me I can't be going more
than seven, So I got one more. I got six
just because he has successfully recovered and continued to play
after suffering a torn acl which he established in his career.
Still bounce back and still kept playing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
That's half the damn all lane.

Speaker 9 (01:18:29):
All right, I'll say this. I'll throw in for the
former first round pick. He was drafted by the Celtics.
And we're talking two thousands. It was the era of
the two thousands.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
So he's drafted by the Celtics in the two thousands, Hornets, Pacers, Timberwolves,
and the Jazz not lottery either. Antoine Walker was more
than a one time All Star.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Man. This is tough.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
I don't think Eddie House played for that many times.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
No, it's not not even close. No, Eddie never made
All NBA. Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do
Do drafted by the Celtics two thousand, So that's say
two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Before Rondo was more than a one time All Star.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
I'm sure he made All NBA more than one time,
and he didn't play for half these teams, so they
didn't count.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
I give up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
I want to give one more guest. What was what
was the big man on those Celtics teams? The guy
who played next to Antick.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
That's the key one, not a lottery pick.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
I want to see Martin's gonna get it by barking
up the right tree, the big the is he a
big man? You are barking up the right tree? It
is a big man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
I can't. I can see his freaking face.

Speaker 8 (01:19:46):
Baby, David was no, but you're close. You want me
go me to give him Martin it's not big, baby, Davis.
It's big Al Jefferson. I could see his face.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I got you, Martin, got you. I can see his face.
I couldn't play. I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Hell is it? I could see him in my mind's eye.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
That's a good one. That's a good one. That one
Al Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Damn. It was all because my next question was I
wanted to ask did he go to college? And now
if you had said that, I probably would have landed
on Al Jefferson. But good job by you, Patrick. See,
he had a couple of ones that we knocked out
of the park after the first round, so now he's
trying to go a little bit harder.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I was joking about the Big Baby Davis one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Hey, but I'll tell you this. Have you ever seen
somebody going to federal prison more happy to do so?
Like he's just hey, you know what.

Speaker 10 (01:20:42):
I was a dumb ass, but I was thinking about this, right, so, Glenn,
at least Big Baby Davis got to experience some of
the riches, right, Miss Uhara lost all that money and
it's still going to jail.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
That's gotta be worse. That's gotta be worse. Coming up next,
we'll go ahead and break down the Dallas Mavericks Oklahoma
City Thunder series. We just had a game that finished,
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should be. Well, Olden, things have turned in this Mavericks
Thunder series as we pay to now, the Celtics on
an eleven er run to start the third quarter. Good
luck Cleveland, see if they're able to come back here
on their home court. But speaking of on your home court,
the Dallas Mavericks took care of the Oklahoma City Thunder

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one oh five to one on one earlier today. Where
are you at with this series as it goes forward?
Oklahoma City the youngest team in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Well, I mean, they did something really special in the
regular season, but again it's two different seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Regular and that sounds like you're saying, she's got a
great personality.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
She's got a great personality. I love the hall work,
I love Dagnall and the culture he's creating, or rather
Sam Presty. But I like everything about them. You know
a lot of guys that you know, they are in
household names outside of Shay, but you know they making noise.
But again, experience is key. It is key. I don't

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care what you think. If you have never been there,
you don't know what to do, you don't know how
to react, how to act, none of that. And Dallas,
you know, they have guys that have experienced, Kyrie being
one of them, you know, and it's like he knows
what that moment feels like and the rest of those

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guys on Okay, see, they don't. This is a new
experience for them. So I like what the Dallas did,
you know, getting home court and they held on to it.
You know, they won the game that they needed to
now to. You know, again, they're in the driver's seat
right now. And I think the more win, the more
pressure on OKC. Yeah, I think absolutely too.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
And when you look at Dallas, you have Luca who's
never won a championship in the NBA, won several on
the other side of the pond, but also has shown
to me, even despite not winning a championship that he
is a proven playoff performer. When will you shake your head, no,
you don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
No, No, I'm agreeing with you because I was gonna
blurt out. Look, it's been a pro since he was thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Right, So while he had never necessarily reached the summit
in the NBA, he's been playing professional basketball, like you said,
the over half of his life at this point, and
has shown all types of success even being a teenager
against grown men. Now is a grown man against other
grown men. And really what's crazy is he's kind of
having the worst playoff performers that we've seen so far
out of him, which goes to show you just how

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great the playoff performances prior to this have been. I mean,
you know, the Clippers have beaten them in previous series,
but I mean, Luca had no issue getting to the basket,
none of that. And when you pair him with the
guy like Kyrie, who we said we have seen him
perform at the highest level for over a decade, right,
And honestly, the thing about Kyrie and you know, all

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his his Boston thing, Brooklyn thing, a lot of that
self imposed, right, a lot of that self imposed, but
he is. He seems to me to be at a
level of peace and just oh he's just okay with
everything that's going on in Dallas, and all he really
wants to do is win. You don't see him, you know,
crying when he doesn't get the ball, or when he
does get the ball. You don't see him just jacking

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up shots because he was finally my turn to touch it.
He's playing defense at the level though I feel like
we haven't seen out of him maybe in his career now,
at least at least since he left Cleveland. Uh, and
a lot of that to me. Then you again, you
played in the league. I've watched it. There's a big
difference there. But to me, a lot of defense seems
to be just want to like, do you want to

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get in this guy's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Way or not?

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Do you want to make it hard for him to
score or not? Because guys in the NBA are going
to get their numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Oh definitely. And that's a great point you made. And
when I asked Mam about the LFA in the room,
you know, all of a sudden, Dallas looks like a
defensive juggernaut. And so to me, you're absolutely right. It's
do I want to play defense? Yes or no. Luca
got a big steal today because he made a decision

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to play defense and go get the steal. That's all
it is. It's wanting to do it. And that's what
I'm loving about the Mavericks. Again. Credit has to go
to Nico Harrison, you know, president of Basketball Ops, making
those two trades for PJ. Washington and Daniel Gafford, Oh
my goodness, and also bringing in Derek Lively insane moves.

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They really, you know, did wonders for that team, you know,
PJ twenty seven point tonight and picking up the slack
for Luca. Luca has a bad knee apparently. I don't
know if he's really hurt or he's doing the soccer thing,
so I don't know. But again, he's playing through it.

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He's still getting you to twenty two points. He's got
he got what fifteen rebounds? Yeah, it was. I mean
it's fun to see to me. I think Jason Kidd,
if you ask him, you know, which would you like
Luca to get forty points or Luca to get forty
points and lose, or Luca to get twenty two points
in win? He'll take the twenty two points and win,

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of course. And so to me, that's a nice balance.
When they have that kind of balance, it's gonna be
hard to beat the Dallas Mavericks because you gotta remember, also,
Luca can explode for fifty sixty, seventy points, just like
Kyrie can.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I think his knee is bothering him because one of
the things that makes Luca one of the more dynamic
players in the NBA, guy who got a lot of
MVP votes this year, is his step back. Right, his
step back is generally lethal when he goes to it. Today,
another poor shooting day from three. He's been struggling from
three all postseason. Would love to see him take less

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as he is going through this knee injury. But that's,
you know, I guess a little too far to ask.
But when you got to get to me, you got
two guys and Kyrie and Luca that can both go
off for forty at any given moment, and hell, thirty
and a half at any given moment. And Oklahoma City
they really do remind me of a high school team,

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not just not just in the way that they didn't
seriously though, not just in the way that they do
their postgame interviews, but also in the way that they
kind of play. They are a running place for everybody.
They play ten guys in the playoffs. That's unheard of.
It's like everybody's got you know, you coach, like you
some U sports. You know, everybody got to play a quarter.
It's like that feels like the rules of Oklahoma City

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as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
But you're right, that's funny. And the flip side of
that is you look at the New York Knicks. They're
playing about six seven guys max, and so to me,
it's weird. It's again it's you know, what's you know,
what is it that you want to play? What style?
But yeah, okay, so he's playing multiple guys and he's
comfortable playing those guys, but some of those guys are
not used to these moments and that's the key, and

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so to me, that's gonna be the deciding factor. It's like,
you know, but again, it bodes well for OKC moving
forward in the future, because again, the only way to
get experienced is to experience.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
It right, and obviously it's hard to do until you
get to this moment. But I'll say this, if you
had told me that PJ Washington was gonna score twenty
seven points in a playoff game this year, I would
have said, all right, hey, hey, we need to drug
test over here all out three because somebody's lost their minds,
you know what I mean, Like, you know somebody said
tell that to me. I'm going to the bar tender

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and say I would like what they're having because they're
having a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
And again, it's within the flow of everything. You know,
he doesn't force shots. I'm wide open. Kyrie breaks the
defense down, finds me in the corner. Boom, knock it down.
Luca breaks the defense down, Boom, finds me in the corner.
He hustles, he plays defense, he guards multiple positions. The kid,
I mean, it's solid. The fact that he was traded

(01:28:58):
to his hometown team is it's sane to me. He
gets to play for his favorite team growing up, and
he's performing. That's a great situation to be in.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
I just and I think it's a lesson to learn
throughout the rest of the NBA that if you can
take the opportunity to improve your team along the margins.
This was not some big heralded trade when it happened.
This was not one of those that a trade that
led the a block of all the morning debate TV shows.
It's not necessarily guys like PJ. Washington and Daniel Gafford

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will never may never make All Star Games. But what
happened today, both of those guys major contributors. PJ. Washington
playing forty minutes, Daniel Gafford playing twenty minutes, combining for
thirty five points.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
That's hard to beat, it is, And they play and
Daniel gaffer is playing hurt. He hurt his shoulder today,
he hurt his hand the game before. It's like, but
they they doing it, you know, I know they're so
happy right now because the team they left, oh Man.
So it's like it's night and day and they're giving

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it the awe. And I'm loving that about Dallas. You know,
Jason's doing a great job right now. You know what's
so funny about that, Jayson. Even the Dallas Mavers were like, hey,
hold up, now we saw the Laker job come open.
What did they do? Locked up? Jason Kidd?

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
You see it all the time, more in college football
than anything else, when like like I freached up, Nick
Shapin retires and then all of a sudden, everybody who's
associated gets a raise. It's xcept for the guy who
got the job right. So you know, you know, you
see guys like Bootenholzer Boom, we gotta hurry up and
sign him before the Lakers do. Jason Kidd, we got
to go ahead and extend him. Part of the reason
why everybody's looking at Tylu like Balmar, are you gonna

(01:30:50):
offer from that contract for talking?

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
So they're talking, they talking, They're gonna have to do
something because that he was mentioned a couple of years
before Darvin Ham and so it's like but and he
has a relationship with Lebron, So we'll see. It's gonna
be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
But on the thunder side of things, you just think
it's just gonna ultimately come down to this is the
youngest team that we have seen, not at I mean,
advance to this point for sure, but like I think
they're the youngest team to win a second round game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Let me tell you something right now, I'm loving watching
them play because they playing with a tenacity that's reserved
for veteran teams. But again, the experience is gonna be key.
Here's what I really liked about them the most. They
are the first team that I've seen since the eighties
to full court press. I haven't seen it since the
days of when I was in Seattle with Bob Kloppenberg,

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the legendary defensive coach, where we were full court pressing.
That thing's been out of the NBA for like twenty years,
nobody and nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
And when you do see guys pressure full court generally
is token pressure, right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
It's token pressure. These guys are picking up ninety three
feet from the basket and they're working you, turning you.
That's when you know they've bought into it. Because I'm
watching to kill Alexander Walker walk Jamal Murray and the
end just turning him to where he's so frustrated he

(01:32:17):
had to throw a damn heat on the damn court.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Do you think you think he should have got suspended
for that? Of course I think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I don't care if your first time or your tenth time.
The rule is the rule that should have been a suspension.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
He had his first and second time in consecutive and
back to back plays. It felt like, yeah, and so
to now an heath fact, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
And so those things you know that it sets a
bad present. I get it. Oh, well, you know he's
not Draymond. He's but again, that's a disservice to Draymond.
The act is the act. It's you get suspended one
game because we've seen other people get suspended for the
same act without having a track record, but you chose

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not to do it this time.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
So, and the thing that bugs me about it is
if in fact Casep had landed on that or you
name the timberwolf that had landed on that heat pack,
and they had sprained their ankle, there's no question they
would have suspended Jamal Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
That's why they got that damn rule about you know,
getting in your space on a jump shot when Zaza
Peculia got it underneath Kawhi Leonard And now it's a
league rule, right And so to me, it's the same thing.
He threw the heater, and he threw something else I
can't remember where the.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Towel the towel. The towel didn't make it far enough,
so then he doubled down with the heater.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
So and I like Jamal Murray, he's a good guy.
But the rules are the rules, letter of the law.
It's a one game suspension. So but it didn't happen,
so lucky for the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Speaking of the Timberwolves and the Nuggets will go ahead
and break down that series next. You know, we'll think
you know, they had the Devert Nuggets slated for death
after Game two. See what old It thinks about their
chances in this seven game series. Coming up next, Martin
Weis's Olden Polonies, Fox Sports Saturday. Martin Weis's Olden Polonies

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coming to you live from the tire rack dot Com studios.
You can get us on Twitter. I'm at Martin Weiss
Olden Is at Olden Polonie one, and of course you
can get us at Fox Sports Radio. How about this
our normal co host VJ burn and Husky chiming in,
he said he's recovering and resting, so that's good to know.
Hopefully VJ gets well soon. The Boston Celtics take a

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fifteen point lead into the half eighty four to sixty nine.
We'll see if the Cleveland Cavaliers can get right soon
as they are at home right now, going to the
fourth quarter of down fifteen. And like I told you before,
Boston either wins by fifteen or loses by twenty, So
maybe just maybe Cleveland can make this a close game.
But let's go ahead and dive into the series that
we were just talking about a little bit off the air.

(01:34:55):
Rudy go Beer missed Game two and it seemed like
the Denver Nuggets were completely flummixed. He comes back in
game three, and I think the Denver Nugget showed a
little bit of a championship was the maturity metal, whatever
you'd like to call it, in order to go ahead
and get that win on the road and what was
pretty much a must win game there. Where do you

(01:35:17):
see this series when it rotates back to Denver for Game.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Five, Well, every game for the Nuggets is a must
win when you go down two losing your two home games, right,
And so I'm a firm believer again the experience factor.
You know, these guys in Minnesota, they haven't really experienced
this whole thing, and Denver's the defending champions, so I

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think they're gonna win the series. Eventually. They got you know,
they at least get one game back in Denver, and
so we're gonna go from there. But you know, they
really showed theavid championship medal because they came out Jamal
Murray set the tone, you know, Jokins being Jokings. So
it's like, I mean I expected them to win because

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I was like, there's no you can't afford to go
down all three. So it's like I expected them to win.
And I think Mike Malone's done a great job, you know,
you know, pushing the right buttons. And again they made shots.
You know, Jamal was a lot more aggressive and that's
the key for them. And you know, they just took
advantage of, you know, the mismatches that they had. They

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got a lot of switches and Jamal knew exactly what
to do once he got the switches.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
So you're thinking that the Denver Nuggets rebound here and
ended up winning this thing in seven games.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
I don't even know if it'll go seven, it might
go six.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Oo.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Yeah, I mean they just again I keep saying it
ad nauseum. Experience is critical if you know what you're
doing because you've done it before. It's like driving, so
you have a drive somewhere. At the first time, it
seems like it takes forever, sure, but after that, it's

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like once you know where you're going, it's like boom there.
It's similar to.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
That like why it takes so long to get there,
but the way back is like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Exactly, And so to me, that's what it is with
the with the Nema Nuggets, they're a very good team.
And they got that big boy in that middle man
that controls so much and it's hard to defend him.
And they got some nice whistles too, that helps.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
I think I actually picked the Timberwolves in this series.
I picked them in six games, but I figured that
it would be three to one coming back to Denver
for Game five. But I would have had the game
two in Game three reversed, right. I would have thought
that Denver would have went one in one on at
home and then Minnesota one at home as well. That
obviously did not occur. But here's the thing that I

(01:37:42):
thought was interesting because you, I know, you talk about
the experience, what about the experience of Tim Connolly, who
basically built this Nuggets team, right, Because this Nuggets team
is pretty home grown when you think about obviously they
trade for Aaron Gordon, but drafted you want morey, drafted
Michael Porter Jr. Drafted Nikola Jokics, right, and and and
improved along the march. It's kind of similar to what
we were talking about the Maverick. Surely they improved along

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the margins with some of their pickups. They lose a
guy like Bruce Brown, who played a huge role in
their championship run even though off the bedg sometimes starting,
but was an anti Leary player to to Murray and Jokic.
But Tim Connolly built that team in Denver, then goes
to Minnesota and what it seems like to me, and
again I told you this earlier off the year you

(01:38:23):
actually talked to some of these people. I'm just giving
my best guess, right, you know, but I think that
he saw I built the juggernaut in Denver and then
went to Minnesota and said, all right, how do you
beat that Denver team? And then, very much like we
saw the Bills and the Chiefs, Bills knocked the Chiefs
out of I mean, I'm sorry, Chiefs knocked the Bills
out of the playoffs a few times. Buffalo then starts
to arrange their team in such a way that they

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think it'll be the best to defend against Patrick Mahomes
in Kansas City. Well, the difference is that Timberwolves got
knocked out by the Nuggies last year. But they were
missing Jaden McDaniels and Nas Reed was hurt. Now Nas
read the sixth minute of the year. Jaden McDaniels had
twenty five points of the playoff game earlier this year.
He's obviously playing at a high level right now too,
especially defensively. You don't put any do you put any
stock into that a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
And the reason why I say that is this. You
can draft these guys like a Yokic, but you got
them in the second round. That's that's work to become
a three time MVP. That was hard work. Nobody saw
that coming. Nobody. No, you can draft a Michael Porter,
but they have to put the work in. They have

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to evolve and work on their games. And so yeah,
so he has kind of a blueprint of grabbing guys,
which is fine, But if these players don't put the
work and effort in, then it doesn't matter who you
draft who you pick. So to me, you know, yeah,
Tim Conny, he's a hell of a GM. But at
the same time, the players have to perform too. And

(01:39:51):
you mentioned the injuries. You know, last year was different.
You Nas didn't play, and so it's like, now you
got these guys everybody much is at full full speed.
But you know, we're gonna see, We're gonna see what
happens again, the deciding factor is gonna end up being experience,

(01:40:13):
because all things being equal, you know, yeah, you can
have a little bit more athleticism, but yo, kids, he
might be one of the smartest players I've ever seen. Yeah,
you know, just because he plays within himself. You know,
he just does that. If nothing else, he just stays
with And that's one of the reasons why they lost

(01:40:34):
Game one. I thought also was the fact that they
they assumed that they could just run their offense and
that the Timberwolves weren't gonna be there, and they forgot
about the athleticism and the length passes that normally get
through shorter arm guys. Right, it wasn't getting through with
longer arm guys.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
And I mean, you saw the viral clip of Jabal
Murray trying to bring the ball up the court being
double teamed, and it's just was like, man, he had
nowhere to go. My man was in Alcatraz, it looked like.
And I think that probably probably spilled over the game too.
And then you know that's where you end up seeing
guys throwing things because it's like, you know, there's a
little physical in that series. But I do hope that

(01:41:14):
the referees kind of allow it to be physical, because
I mean, it's playoff basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Ain't know what it is now. I think that's why
I said it was a shock to Denver's system, and
I think they figured it out in Game three and
that's why they played the way they did and got
the win, and it was a blowout win. And I
think Game four, Denver will win, but I don't think
he'll be a blowout. I think he'll be a lot closer.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Finally, Anthony Edwards said at his locker post game, I'm
paraphrasing here, but basically, you know, this team goes as
I go. And I didn't come out and wasn't aggressive
in Game three, and they'll say that he'll be ready
for Sunday. I don't think that the Nuggets have anybody
that can stay in front of him if he's really
locked in on his game.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Nope, they don't. KCP can try all he wants. No,
this dude is him.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
Yeah, he's what, he's the goods.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
He's him. I mean, you watch him play. Everything about
him spells MVP, superstar, you know, whatever terminology you want.
He's that guy inside outside athletics, jumps out the gym
and he wants to play defense.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
That was the last thing was to say that one
of the better two way players in the league. And
mentality wise for me, Anthony Ewre just top of the board.
To be as young as he is and to be
as locked in as he is, like I mean, you've
got to have a special level of cachet to be
able to address another top pick and Carl, the town's
are saying, look, stopffing filing. And you know he said

(01:42:44):
it to him a hundred times in public because he
had no problem saying it to him at the press conference,
was sitting right next to Hums that we need you
stop filing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
And you know what I like about him? Also, what's
that he did his homework, you know, And I say
that to say this, he knew about the whole Amy
Butler's situation with kat you know how he was, and
he came in It's like, Yo, this is my team,
but yet you guys are my teammates. So it's like
he has that confidence to say this is my team,

(01:43:14):
but it's your time, needs you got yeah, and I
need you, right, But he knows that Kat's not that
guy like that from what Jimmy Butler had exposed, right,
And so it's like he's like, I have to take
a leadership role. I know I'm only twenty two, but
I'm taking a leadership role because my guys need me
to be this guy, right, and I love that about him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Let's go ahead and kick it over to Kevin. Wired
for what's trending in the world of sports, Cleveland trying
to make it close. Kevin, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (01:43:42):
Made it a single digit deficit now, although the caval
or excuse me, the Celtics have just scored, so it's
now an eleven point game once again. The Celtics leading
the Cavaliers eighty six to seventy five and ten minutes
to go in the fourth quarter, although Cleveland, I don't know,
they just missed a shot, so it's still in the
eleven point game. Lay up, no good, the Celtics going

(01:44:02):
back with it. So eighty six seventy five under ten
minutes ago in the fourth quarter. Jason Tam twenty nine
points so far it's send a twenty shooting Drew Holiday
eighteen points, Jalen Brown has twenty points, and for the
Cavaliers it's been two guys and that's really been in
Donovan Mitchell thirty points, Evan Mobley with fifteen points, so
they are a combined at seventeen of twenty eight shooting.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
The rest of the team is just twelve of forty one.

Speaker 7 (01:44:33):
The series is tied at one game apiece, so of
course this is a pivotal Game three, but the Celtics
at this point looking like they're gonna go up two
games to one, but Cleveland is still sticking around, so
we'll see if they can hang on and maybe claw
their way back. Mavericks and Thunder earlier today, Game three
of that series. Dallas wins it one oh five, one
to one to take a two games to one lead.
It was the big three for Dallas, Luka Dancic, Kyrie

(01:44:55):
Irving PJ Washington combining for seventy one points.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
PJ.

Speaker 7 (01:44:59):
Washington had twenty seven off of eleven to twenty three shooting,
Kyrie and Luca each with twenty two points. Luca also
with fifteen rebounds and five assists. A great game as
Dallas now in the driver's seat in this series. NHL
Stanley Cup playoffs. Hurricanes avoid elimination beating the Rangers four

(01:45:21):
to three, So it's now with three games to one
lead afore the Rangers, as the Hurricanes sing if they
can claw back and make this one a series. They're
in the first period in at Denver. Avalanche and Stars
are currently scoreless. Major League Baseball action. We have several
games in action right now, Dodgers and Padres. It's five
to nothing in favor of Los Angeles. They are in

(01:45:41):
at the top of the seventh inning. LA's got two
runners on and nobody out, so they're threatening to really
blow this game wide open. Rookie Betts is at the
play Rockies and Rangers. It is Colorado leading this one
at six to three. They're in the bottom of the
seventh inning in Denver. Angels and Royals. In Anaheim, the
Angels lead this one five to one. They're in the
fourth inning. Athletics and Mariners. The Aes two to one

(01:46:04):
lead in Seattle, and everything else in the league has
gone final. Blue Jay's over the Twins ten eight, Orioles
beat the Diamondbacks five four, Pirates top the Cups ten
to nine, Braves over the Mets four to one. Ray's
top the Yankees seven to two, Philly's over the Marlins
eight to three, Red Sox edge the Nationals four to two.
Tigers blew out the Astros eight to two, White Sox
over the Guardians three one. Giants beat the Reds five

(01:46:25):
to one. In the Brewers hold off the Cardinals five
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
Back to you guys, thanks, Kevin, Without further ado, let's
go ahead, get our guy in here. MLB bro content
reporter DeMar j Morris Demarje, how the hell.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
Are you, my friend, Martin Fellers.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Well, we got Olden Polonies in for the big Vanilla funny.
But first I want to ask you about a guy.
This is Olden's debut from working with me, Paul Skain's
debut on the Mound today. What did you see? What
were you impressed with?

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
I liked what I saw?

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Man.

Speaker 11 (01:46:56):
This Uh, he has the right mindset, he has the work.
Etchquar him in his interviews where he talked about when
he was in the miners, he was just he was
learning how to read batters and learning how to switch
up pitches. So there's gonna be some growing pain series
a Ricky. You know, of course it's going to happen.
But from what I saw today, six hits, three runs,
two walks, seven k's. I mean, dude hit one hundred

(01:47:16):
miles per hour seventeen different times. So he definitely has
the stuff to pitch at this level. And then he
killed it in the miners too. He did his thing
in the miners in his seven starts. His breaking balls
were a little shaky today. Oh no, I'm sorry. His
breaking balls were on point. His breaking balls were on
point today. He struggled a little bit with his fastball location.
Nothing crazy, nothing you know, to have you alarm or anything.

(01:47:37):
But he did get in the bases loaded Jym in
the second, stay calm, stay composed, he got out of it,
didn't give up any runs. So I really liked seeing that.
But yeah, paus games is legit. I'm excited to see
him pitch.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
Let's go from the Pirates to the team directly below
them in the NL Central, the Red Since that he
reads this last year was the youth movement in baseball,
the Reds and it were kind of primed at least
in my opinion, to make a run.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
What's going on with the Red seven games back?

Speaker 11 (01:48:03):
Yeah, I think they're catching a lot of people by
surprise this season. You know, team that young and that talented,
you just expect them to build off of the success
they had the previous season, carried it into this season,
and they just haven't been able to find consistency at all.

Speaker 5 (01:48:15):
I mean, TJ.

Speaker 11 (01:48:16):
Frido's back, so that's a huge offensive spark. You know,
he's always a threat to steal some bags and you
know if he could get on base, so that should
help get the offense going a little bit. But they've
just been struggling to score, man, I mean, look at
their offense or lasting hits last and batting average. I
know some people are calling for David Bell's job.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
I can see it.

Speaker 11 (01:48:34):
I mean it's already his sixth season. You look at
the last four years. They've been alternating losing winning records
twenty twenty losing records, winning record, losing winning record or
winning records. So I can see why people are calling
for David Bell's job. But they got to turn it
around quick man, because that division stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Mr Jiah Olden here, I know there's an old saying,
if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. What's going on
with the Astros right now?

Speaker 11 (01:48:58):
I've been saying it, Olden. I think the biggest thing
is just is Dusty Baker not being there. I obviously
managing only goes so far, but I mean, I've always
talked about culture. I've said that multiple times on this show.
I'm big on culture, especially when you're talking about a
winning program, a winning franchise. And it's just different without
Dusty there. You know, you go about things differently, prepared, different,

(01:49:19):
you know, just how he gets through to the players
is different. Not saying this manager doesn't have connection.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
With his players.

Speaker 11 (01:49:24):
He obviously does, but it's just different man without Dusty there.
And obviously I'm not in the ball club, so I
can't put my finger on it. But that's the main
difference with his team is Dusty was there last year.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
He's not there this year, and you see him struggling
from a team that just made a World Series run
not too long ago with the Houston Astros. Again, as
Olden said, if you're not cheating, you're not trying. They well,
we're cheating. But do you think the Phillies this year
can make a run at the World Series.

Speaker 11 (01:49:49):
I'm liking what I'm seeing from the Phillies right now. Man,
I really am. I mean they've been a top team
the last couple of years, so I mean it's not
a surprise, but just the fact that they're able to
sustain it. You know, you don't see no drop off
within the right back at it again this year. Top
five offense. You know, they rank in the top five
in multiple categories runs, hits, home runs, RBIs.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
You look at it.

Speaker 11 (01:50:07):
Their offenses right there. Pitching is loaded.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
I mean when you're led by.

Speaker 11 (01:50:11):
Zach Willer and Aaron Nola, I mean that's a dangerous
one to combo. And I'm gonna say, man, Ranger Swarez
is so underrated. He doesn't get talked about enough. I
love watching that guy pitch. Great third arm to have
in that rotation. And yeah, they could definitely make it back.
They just made it, like you said, two seasons ago
when they lost to the Astros, So they definitely got
what it takes to make it back.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Okay, So I need to know this. You know, I'm
a big Yankees fan, of course, and you know I
know with you know, in second right now behind the Orioles.
So you know, who's been the surprise early in the season.

Speaker 11 (01:50:44):
To you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
Surprise?

Speaker 11 (01:50:46):
I think the easy answer would be Soto, that's the
easy answer.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Well, no, not the Yankees. Just period in baseball? What
team has been the surprise?

Speaker 11 (01:50:55):
Oh, you're saying team all that document player on the
Yankees team that's been.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
A surprise so far in baseball?

Speaker 11 (01:51:03):
I'm gonna have to say Oakland. Oakland A's are playing
good ball. I was late, you know, I didn't expect
this coming into the season. I know they're not going anywhere.
They're not gonna win any team.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Oh no, they're going somewhere.

Speaker 11 (01:51:15):
No, yeah, you're right about about that. But yeah, I
would say Oakland as of right now, just because they
are playing some good.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Good ball.

Speaker 11 (01:51:21):
I think they've they're surprising some people right now. I
wouldn't say that's the biggest surprise, but they're one of
them that I could think off top. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
You know, DeMar your your Angels right now with a
four run lead at the end of the fourth inning,
so we'll see how they can potentially try to blow that.
But I'm sorry, but the team they're playing, the Kansas
City Royals, that would be kind of my surprise. Right now.
They are a top the Al Central Tide with the
Cleveland Guardians, do you expect Kansas City to keep this

(01:51:48):
thing rolling right now?

Speaker 11 (01:51:50):
They were one of my teams coming into this season,
just one of those teams to watch out for. Me
and my god Julian were talking. He covers the Yankees
out of New York, but me and him were talking
and we were all over the time is in the
Royals coming into this season. I just love the veterans.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Man.

Speaker 11 (01:52:02):
They's got a nice group of veterans, a nice mix
of young players, and yeah, they're just playing really good
right now. They got good solid pitching, good solid bats.
You obviously got a superstar and Bobby with And this
is me and Pops right here. That's my pop team
is the Royal. He's a world in a Braves fan.
So it's me versus popsa in this series right here,
it looks like the Worlds are probably gonna take it. Yeah,
we'll win the day, but Worlds are probably in the series.

(01:52:23):
But no, Rose of Balton, I liked him. I think
they could keep it up and make a run at
the division, or at least make it competitive.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
And so I'm going to jump right back in because
since you started talking about Juan Subto, Uh, yeah, you
can talk about my Yankees right now. So besides him,
you know, whatever you seen from my Yankees.

Speaker 11 (01:52:39):
That you liked, h Carbrera, I was Walter Carbrera. He's
been holding it down. I like what I've seen from him. Obviously,
we got to get some pitching healthy, so once we
could get Garrett coleback on the mound. But the pitching's
been holding it down.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
I like that weed. I like that.

Speaker 11 (01:52:56):
I just I don't know, I'm just a happy even
if it's not my team.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
I just know, but I like that.

Speaker 11 (01:53:03):
But no, yeah, they're a you know, I really like
Walter corbre Bothy. He's shown some flashes. I think he's
still you know, he still has some good ball to
play this season. He's been a little up and down,
but yeah, I would say Carbrera so far he's been huge.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Yeah, oh right quick. Did you see that home run
that Judge hit?

Speaker 11 (01:53:21):
Oh my god? And then and then the Yankees fan
had the nerves to boom a couple of weeks ago.
Come on, you guys, this is Aaron Judge we're talking about.
But the Druggers aren't gonna last. But yeah, that home
runner is ridiculous. Vintage Aaron Judge.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
But what was so funny was when they put the
camera on Soto, he was in awe.

Speaker 11 (01:53:39):
And that's dope, right, You see a hitter as good
as Soto for him to be in awe of Judge, Like,
I love seeing stuff like that. How pros can still
amaze other pros and that that's pretty dope.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Well, you know, we got one content pro on this broadcast,
and that's the mar J Morris MLB bro Content Report.
To check out all his stuff at MARS one. I'm
sorry ninety one on social media to Mars thank you
for joining the show, my friend. Appreciate you coming on
for your insight and intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:54:06):
Appreciate you guys for having me and Olden, great debuty man.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Thank you. All right, We're Martin Olden coming to you
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Just search Fox Sports radio where if you get your podcasts.
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(01:54:31):
much in the last fifty or so years, but has
a ton of legends. Where does this current guy rank
in terms of all the rest of them? We'll get
to that next. Martin Wie's Olden Polonies, Fox Sports Saturday,
Martin Wise Olden Polonies coming to you a lot from
the Tirack dot Com studios. Arnie Spanier and Jason Martin
coming up at the top of the hour. But we're

(01:54:53):
here for just a little while longer. It seems like
we'll be here longer than the Cleveland Cavaliers will in
this series. As there about to lose at home one
oh four to ninety one. The margin right now, one minute,
nineteen seconds left. Max Shrew's complaining to the ref, Bro,
the ref's not gonna give you thirteen points? What do
you want? As the Cleveland Cavaliers fans head towards the
exits again, what I tell you, man, they either win

(01:55:14):
by fifteen or lose by twenty five. Is the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Pretty much learned how to put the damn mic on.

Speaker 11 (01:55:25):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
I mean, they had to have a bounce back game,
and so that's what I'm saying, I mean, the record
does speak for itself. You know, It's like again, I
do say, you know, I just don't know which one's
gonna show up. Is it gonna be Jeck or is
it gonna be Hide And so to me tonight, what
I liked about the Celtics is the fact that Jason
Tatum did not settle for three pointers. He attacked the

(01:55:45):
rim and that was key. Jail and Brown did the
same thing. And so to me, those you gotta play
to your strengths. Yeah, I know that you want they
want to shoot volume threes, but you gotta mix it up.
I mean, the Warriors, the greatest shooting team ever went
to the hole, right, you know, you got to mix
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
So we were talking off air just now about the
NFL and the way that you know, every game seems
to be a sellout. Well, it also seems to be
true for the New York Knicks, not only at Madison
Square Garden, but you know, you can go down to Philadelphia,
They'll be Knicks fans there. And when they were indian
and Indianapolis the last game they go up, there were
Knicks fans there. You could hear the cheers whenever something

(01:56:29):
would happen for the Knicks, even though they end up
losing that game. And I'm wondering, old and you've been
around the game much longer than I have been, I'm wondering,
where does Jalen Brunton right now? Where does he kind
of rank in Knicks playoff? Lord? Because you see all
these old heads coming out and it's very much like
a high school reunion for the Knicks. And Jalen Brunson
just continued to score forty points in a row. And

(01:56:50):
if you hadn't gotten hurt in Game three, I think
he would have had forty in that one probably.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
But I'm not gonna be as crazy and demented like
as Charles Oakley talking about he he's the greatest Nick ever.
Come on, stop, that's what I'm saying. We said a
lot of stupid stuff on air man a lot of people.
It's like ridiculous. Come on, the man is having a
great year. Let's appreciate the year. A guy like Patrick

(01:57:17):
Ewing is legendary in New York. You cannot put Jellen
Brunson ahead of him. Willis Reed legendary, Bill Bradley legendary,
wal Fraser legendary, Earl Monroe didn't even play that many
years legendary. Stop all right, keep keep it real and
so but I mean, I'm enjoying what he's doing right now,
and that's all I want to do. I want to

(01:57:37):
just appreciate him for what he's doing right now. You know,
in law, we have to wait and see does he
play multiple years in New York. We don't know right
We don't know what's gonna happen. Is he gonna have
another great year next year, two years from now, three
years from we don't know. So let's appreciate right now.
But I'm really enjoying, like I say, you know earlier,

(01:58:00):
I mean orange and Blue Skies and Spike Lee, let's say.
And it's like, it's amazing the Knicks of the only
team in the NBA that is a Marckie team that
doesn't win championships. True, it only wants, but it's like
they're great for TV, they're great for the game, and
so to me to see them having success right now

(01:58:22):
is huge, and I'm sure Adam Silva is very excited.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
I can't lie. I'm swept up in it now. At
this point, I don't even like New York.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
When hey, watch that. Now, I'm a New Yorker.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
I'm not trying to insult, but I just say this.
I went to visit my sister who was living in
Brooklyn at the time, and I had to go down
seven flights of stairs in the middle of the summer
to try to take a train to go somewhere else.
I'm sweating my ass off. That's shit on there, and
I'm like, this is ridiculous. How does anybody keep an
outfit together down here?

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
Like the New York kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
I was losing all composed. I'm like, give me la
with my climate controlled car and traffic sign me up.
That's right?

Speaker 6 (01:59:00):
Is that?

Speaker 11 (01:59:01):
This?

Speaker 7 (01:59:01):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
Like? This stinks And I'm not just talking about the
size of that rat by my foots rats. The rats
were looking at me like, what the hell are you
doing here?

Speaker 7 (01:59:11):
Pal?

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
Should I see rats?

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Hey man? I grew up with them, suckers for them,
thanks for I.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
Mean, look, if I'm from I'm from the Louisiana I
know people that want to go down there in them
subway tunnels and hunt them rats.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
I sure.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Go ahead try to make that happen. But no, I
am I'm fully rooting for the Knicks at this point
just for the story. I think it's an awesome story
that the old school team, old school coach. They play
a million minutes a game. They set hard screens, they
rebounded basketball, and I just I just love the way
that they played.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
And the world's most famous arena.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
What I guess maybe this is something, this is this
is my next project. I tell you, I kind of
dive into stuff like that. I'm gonna find out just
why Mattison Guere Garden is the world's.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Most famous around now you don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
I'm gonna find out soon. I'm only thirty four, man,
so a lot of this stuff. I haven't seen square Garden,
but it's round. It is confusing, to say the least.
You know, you would think they'd have more corners in
a It is amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
It is amazing. Everybody looks forward to playing at the garden.
Everybody I noticed what they call it the mecca. Whoever
you are, that's the one game you pencil in because
everybody else has changed staples. You know, we'reent from form
to staples. We went from this and that, the Boston Garden.
It's masters Scoot Garden, is it right now?

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
I tell you this this as a Michigan fans Selfishly,
I am happy to see these Villanova Nicks going crazy
because they if they had just gone crazy for the
last time in the National Championship Game beating Michigan, and
I've been like, man, forget these guys like like Luke Hancock,
which no one ever remembers unless you're a Michigan Louisville fan.
That guy can go to hell, all right? Coming up

(02:01:01):
back on Fox Sports Saturday, we had Arnie Spaniard, Jason Martin.
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