May 9, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug explains why what Shaq did to Nikola Jokic in his interview right after Jokic one his third MVP was disrespectful. Doug gives his thoughts on whether or not 30 NBA players could play in the NFL right now. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto get his thoughts on NBA players being NFL players. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug and the crew through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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as well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Uh, you guys are gonna have to help me here, okay,
because what happens when you're off for two Why I
never take time off. Somewhere in my boss's office, there's
just a backlog of there's a backlog of days off
that I have to take. But the reason is I
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just I don't know. There's just always something to talk about,
and I love it. I love hosting the show, and
so in the litany of things I want to talk about,
the Pacers getting absolutely screwed by the officials is part
of it. I don't think Rick Carlisle is correct, but.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't think there's this league wide conspiracy to keep
the small market teams out of it. Otherwise wire the
Timberwolves and the Nuggets and Oklahoma City flourishing right now.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And just don't.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
There's also the Jokic winning his third MVP and all
the discussion, including Shaquille O'Neal's very strange interview with him.
There's Collins deal with there's Collins deal with the hat
on backwards. We'll get to that. There's the and I
(02:11):
I think I was off the last two days, and
that was when we had the Austin Rivers thirty guys
could play in the NFL. There's the WNBA getting charter
flights like it feels like they think there's a big
check coming right and they've already cashed it and already
spent the money a lot to get to So it's
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one of those deals where you're like, man, where do
I begin?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Where do I begin? Let's start with the MVP.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So yesterday it was announced that Nikola Jokich just won
his third NBA MVP. And I'm going to be totally
candid with you. I think most everyone who has commented
on it is completely full of crap. But they're full
of crap from the way in which we're all kind
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of full of it. You know, did you read every
word of the books you were supposed to read in
high school? Or did you get cliff notes? Or did
you read most of it and then you kind of
skimmed it and you were discussing it in class. I'd
say most of us you read it sort of like
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I read Lord of the Flies. I like Lord of
the Flies. I still don't know if it's a conch
or a kunk, does anybody? But I just I truly
believe what's happened here is all these conflicting things happening
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at once. The first thing is, I think one reason,
a bit reason Jokic won the MVP was an over
correction from last year. Last year he was on pace
to win the m v P. Kendrick Perkins made it
about race, make no mistake about it. He made it
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about race, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And it uh.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You compound that with the fact that he didn't finish
finish the season nearly as strongly, and Embiid only played
against him once and played great, didn't play when they
played in Denver. And he didn't win the MVP this
year because he because of what happened last year in
an effort to kind of right the wrong, and because
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he was far and away the best player in the
playoffs last year and they won the championship. It was
it was almost confirmation bias with any of the voters.
We're like a year late and a dollar short on
a lot of this stuff. When guys lose their game,
we usually don't get it till years later. When a
guy is an effective player, weally don't get it tow
a year later as well. And in this case, Jokic
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won the MVP because of last year and because who's
really that strong a candidate, shay Gilgess Alexander I guess
they were the one seed, but because he hasn't done
anything in the playoffs, and because be honest with yourself,
no one watches Oklahoma City play No one watches Oklahoma
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City play. I've been to two Thunder games, including Game
one I was at the other night. I've watched him.
He's amazing. Okay, he hit two big threes that really
opened up the game, opened up the floodgates. He gets
the like Jalen Brunson. He gets the benefit of the
doubt calls by creating contact, so he's getting superstar calls
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or superstar treatment. The league has taken notice, and most
people think he was a viable candidate. They got the
one seed. He had great numbers, he shot a great percentage.
It's it's not crazy to vote for him. It's not
crazy to vote for Yokich, It's not crazy to vote
for a lot of these guys. For Jason Tatum, they
had the best record in the league and he was
their leading scorer. He's their go to guy. Like it's
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there's no real A lot of the MVP discussion, honestly
is because of the twenty four to seven news cycle,
and specifically because ESPN has, just like the NBA, they're
trying to find a way to get you to watch
regular season games, which you don't want to watch because
they're not played at a high level of intensity. So
if you trigger the MVP conversation in November, it becomes
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kind of a running thing, and we pay attention to
it way more now than we did previously. It's kind
of brilliant, to be honest with you, But there's something
weird kind of at play here. Shaquille O'Neil is defender
of all things big men, isn't he. He had this
interview with Jokich last night.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
You know, I love you, the best player in the league.
I want to congratulate you, but I want you to
hear from me. I thought the SGA should have been
the MVP. Has no disrespect to you, but congratulations and
what do you guys have to do to get back
on track versus Minnesota? Thank you, Shav.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
We don't judge people here, you know, so that's fine opinion.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Hey, all good. I love you, I love your brothers.
One thing we always going to do is keep it
real with each other. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I actually, on one level I respect that what Shack's doing.
On another level, it has no place in that discussion,
right Like he wanted to make sure that yo, kids.
But here's the the Shaquille and he will have a
vote if you don't have a vote, then who cares?
Who cares what you think by the way you have
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inside the NBA. I'm sure yokud seize it and you
could sit there and go like but it's really really weird,
really weird that the defender of the big man for
the life of the show, Shaquille Neil, has been completely
blind to how the game has changed. I throw it
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into the big field that Shaquille O'Neal would jump off
of the Jokisch bandwag and then contradicted saying you're the
best player in the league. What what is the It
didn't make it, it makes any sense. What is the
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the deal? What's the actual deal? Do I think it's
the anti foreign bias?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Do I think it has anything to do with this
skin color? I don't think so, I really don't. I
don't think. Do I think that NBA players have biases
about white dudes? Of course, of course, And it's been
built up over time, time and again, time and again.
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All Right, the vast majority of NBA players are black.
They just are even mixed race, more so than Mike
and the European players were always seen as floppers. Now
the one thing about Shay is He's not actually American,
He's Canadian.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Do people know that?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And he is a bit of a throwback in that
he's not a particularly high level, high volume, proficient three
point shooter. So it's a weird one. It's a very
strange one. But I honestly think it's the anti foreign
player bias. That's my presumption. And yes, most foreign players
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are do have they're white guys, but not all of them,
be honest. Is not Embiid is not? I know Embiid
is naturalized, but he's not. You know, it is weird.
No one said this about about Giannis. No one said
it about a chem Right, those are big guys who
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are the best player in the league, who won the MVP.
There's never been anything of it. So is this is
are we just again? Am I denying what society is
doing because there is a correlation there between the protests, right?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
We do know that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
The protests are most of these people are complete buffoons
and idiots, right, not even realizing that there are Americans
being held hostage.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
In Gaza, three of them.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
How we don't have nightly vigils for those three human
beings is the saddest thing in the history of the
United States. Instead, we have actual vigils for people who
support terrorists activity. That's the world we're living in.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And what is it.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's the fact that we have for the last ten
fifteen years we have been anti anyone who's in power.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I think about it. Any president, complete.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Idiot, doesn't matter the president, doesn't matter the side, right,
don't matter of the side. Every president's an idiot. Every
commissioner is the worst. Every commissioner gets bowed right, every.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
One of them.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Any leader is the worst human being ever, and generally
anybody with white skin is bad because of I don't
know what did Yokich do.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Has that ever happened in the history of broadcast TV? Ever,
the guy wins the MVP, and Shaquille O'Neill, who was
an MVP.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Says, I just want you to know that I thought
Shaike kills or should have been the MVP.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It's unbelievably disrespectful to the award, to the accomplishment.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And oh yeah, by the way, in your effort to
tell the world that you didn't think he was the MVP.
Does Shack have a vote? Again, I don't know if
he has a vote. If he has a vote.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Then all he had to say was, look, I just
want you to know I voted for Shay okay, but
she didn't have to. So I guess I'm asking you
what is at play? What could possibly be a play?
It did not happen when Joel Embiid won it, it
did not happen when Giannis won it, and those are
foreign born players. When you know now Dirk won it.
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I don't remember any sort of discussion about any sort
of negativity to and Dirk couldn't guard the chair that
I'm sitting in either. It's the craziest thing I can
possibly think of, possibly think of. I just again, I'm
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trying to make heads or tails of it, and I
don't know what the actual answer is. And I do
not want to make it about race. I always think
that's the last possible thing. You guys know me, like,
I truly believe that race is the last possible like no, no, no.
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And I do think there's an anti big guy bias,
right because so many of us look more like Steph,
look more like Brunson than we do like Embiid, than
we do like Giannis. Then we do and and honestly,
the Anthony Edward types because they're so breathtaking with their
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sheer athleticism that we have infatuation with that more so
than we do the footwork of a big guy or
the passing ability of a Yokich. But I struggle with
this one. And I know Shack a little bit. Shack
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is everything he purports himself to be. He's a really
fun human being to be around, a really fun human
being to be around. And if you've listened to any
of his stuff on his life, like he's really kind
of found a good balance in life. He felt like
he was in the wrong place for a long long
time and now he's found that sort of balance. But man,
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I gotta tell you, that is such an a boat.
The NBA has got some terrible looks. Today you had
the MVP of the NBA and a former MVP who's
a fellow big man, defender of the big man, like say,
I didn't think you were the MVP in an interview
the night he wins the MVP award. What And then
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today you wake up and Patrick Beverley got four games
for throwing a ball not once, but twice into the stands.
Let me ask you a question, if a fan. If
a ball came into the stands, or a fan bought
a basketball at a concession, like went into the team store,
bought a basketball and threw the ball at Patrick Beverly
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when Pat wasn't looking, and he jumped up and caught it.
What would happen to that fan? He would never be
allowed in an NBA arena ever, Again, my being too bold.
If a fan threw a ball at a player, the
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fan would be immediately ejected and never allowed back in.
I don't think I'm being over the top of that,
Jase Dud. Do you think that's wrong? Is that too harsh?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
No?
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I think it's the rule. You can't throw a ball
at a player correct.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Even more so, you can't throw a ball a fan.
And Adam Silver allows that to happen. They set a
precedent today. They set a precedent today. Remember the guy
who threw the cup that started the mouice at the palace, right,
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he threw an empty cup. It tags run, our test run,
our test goes crazy and just starts leveling fans with Haymakers,
leveling fans with hay makers. That guy, okay, that guy
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is never allowed back in an NBA Arena.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Ever, he threw a cup.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
An NBA player Pat Beverley, who and this is not
his first offense in terms of being an a hole
throws the ball twice.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Reminds me.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Do you guys remember the movie sole Man from the eighties?
Talk about a movie that'll never be made again. It's
a Yale law school right when he pretended to be black,
he put some stuff on his skin so he looked
like he was black. And there was this line from
the movie.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Mister Watson, can you name the president for us?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yes, sir, the President, sir, is is Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Sir, mister Watson, I am not a humorless man, but
if you're going to take up my class time making jokes,
please see to it that they are funny. Miss Walker.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
H Rhode Island versus Caltano. Yeah, the President. By the way,
that's a great James Earl Jones. No greater pipes than
great James Earl Jones. The precedent, they said, a precedent.
It's not okay to throw a ball a fan, but
I'll get you four games. Can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I don't know, rough day for the NBA. Rough day.
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Speaker 2 (18:51):
Nothing is soft and sensitive as fake tough guys, right,
that's NFL guys. NFL guys are so soft and sensitive. Okay,
So by now I again, and I understand I'm violating
one of the core principles of what we try and
do on The Doug Gottlieb Show, which is talk about
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the freshest, hottest stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Right, I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The Austin Rivers thing was a couple days ago, but
everybody's still talking about it.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Keep in mind, this is James Jones yesterday on Fox
Sports one on Speak.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
Let's just get this straight.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Number one.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
They put in a flop role in the NBA because
you guys are soft. Oh see, now you I started
a trend of rest games.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
That's what y'all started. And now y'all walk in extra votes.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
And all that type of stuff to win the MVP
because you only played twenty two games out of eighty two,
y'all started that. So y'all all start number two. You
said thirty dudes if you want to say it, one dude,
maybe Anthony Edwards could play safety or something. I ought
to listen to you or something like that. You said,
thirty dudes, no, Number one, put inspect on our sports.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
That's number one.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
It is not just run and catch the ball and
turn around. It ain't just hand the ball off and
do that. It takes a lot of work at your
craft to do what we do on the football field
and Austin Rivers. If you stepped on the football field, homeboy,
you wouldn't make it. We know that right now because
you barely made it in the NBA and I'm just
keeping it a buck.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I'm football is not an easy game.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
That's why a lot of football players basketball players have
stepped on the football field. Step right back on the
basketball court because it's not an easy game. It's a
lot that goes in to the NFL. And you're not
about to walk into the NFL and think you're just
about to catch and turn around. Try again, homeboy, do
your research on the NFL. Man, watch some football games,
old games, new games, whatever you want to watch and
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catch up on a man, because thirty dudes in the
NFL and the NBA and ome.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Boy, okay, I played basketball against James Jones here actually
pretty good. But the problem is that James Jones, in
order to play like he'd want to play like at
a high level in the NBA, he's too small. Made
Austin Rivers point for him by saying, Ah, you want
to tell me Anthony Edwards one guy? Okay, go through
the teams, you know, give me a team. I'll tell
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you there's a guy. There's thirty teams. He's talking about
one guy on a fifteen guy roster. All the NFL
players want to be NBA players, they do. The problem
is most of them too small to be NBA players
based upon their skill set, very very few, right, Whereas
I could go through an NBA roster, right, I mean
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Oklahoma City thunder Keyante Johnson or Jylen Williams probably could.
The Dallas Mavericks o Max prosper like dude six seven,
two thirty freak athlete. Yeah, that dogged hunt, you know, heck,
look at the Knicks og. Maybe Josh Hart, Like, you mean,
tell me Josh Hart, come play football. He's scared of contact.
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Oh yeah, By the way, they put in a flop role. Well,
what's the NFL done? How tough is the NFL no
more to a days limited contact in practice. And oh yeah,
by the way, like all of the nasty, jacked up
shots from our childhood are gone. Can't hit quarterbacks below
the knee, above the neck? Everything's a flag? Like, what
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are you talking about? This is a societal move, not
just a basketball move. Thirty a bit ambitious, but the
idea of one guy per roster. He's much more right
than he is wrong. Let's bring in John Mendlkoff, who
used to be a scout in the nash Football League. John,
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I ask you because I have a friend who's a
GM who has asked me every year, Hey, when you
go to a basketball game, find me one per game.
And he's like, look, there is in addition to the
requisite size, speed, skill, overall athletic traits, the other part
you need is to have played football growing up, because
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you can't just never play football before. There is technique
to it, and even that it's going to take a
lot of work, but it can happen.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
What are your thoughts on the discussion?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Well, I think there are a lot of different variables here.
If you just look, and I'm with you, the NFL
guys could not transition to the NBA, right, I mean
Trent Williams, one of the biggest players in the NFL.
He's like six ' five. Praymond's like one of the
smallest bigs in the NBA history. He's like six five
and a half, right, sixty six. So the size element,
I mean Steph Curry would be the size of the
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majority of guys in the NFL, and he's sixty three
and he's one of the smaller guys in the NBA.
But I think when you look at the NFL stuff,
obviously there are a ton of guys. You know, some
of these guys are too tall. We all know that.
But any guy from you know, I would say six
feet to six five sixty six. You know, you watch Tyreek,
Maxie or some Russell Westbrook in his prime. Obviously, their
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athleticism is NFL Like NFL teams, if they like quit,
you know, when they were twenty three and wanted to
play football, every NFL team would wor come out.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Chris Long had a really good rant. I think if
these guys played in even if they didn't play in
high school, they went out and started playing college and
got used to the mentality of you know, in basketball,
show up to shoot around, and if you're a star,
you're don't have to show up. You play the game.
In football, it's the grind. The training camp is obviously
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a lot different than two days, but it's still eight
am to nine pm for thirty five straight days, and
then once the season starts, it's basically a six day
week work week, one day off, and you play the game.
So the culture and the difference, Like you know pat
Riley who gave he gives the best press conference of
the year. Everyone's like, god, can you believe what he said? Again,
that's like an NFL press conference from every coach on Monday.
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So the way that the culture of getting yelled at
and coach hard is dramatically different, at least for the
star players. I mean, young guys still get yelled at
by coaches in basketball, but the physical toughness, you just
wouldn't know if they liked it, if they would grind
until they did. Sure, obviously, Like you can't watch Jalen
Brunston and go that guy doesn't have an NFL body.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Uh, he probably doesn't have NFL speed. Like I would
say more Josh Hart and the right like.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Mac Maxy Maxy would be a guy that jumped out
to me just moving around Gez.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I I struggle with the guards because you know, like what,
it's position dependent, and I do think, Look, there's a
ton of there's a ton of technique that goes into
like wide receiver right like people like and those guys
are absolute freaks, so there's very few positions that they
can play like. That's why people think tight end. Although
the problem is there's a lot of technique in blocking
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that you can't just pick up right and with the
exception of like if you're Travis Kelcey, you can't you know,
you gotta be a block. But I mean, obviously like
Antonio Gates, I mean it was a mid.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Major big guy. I think there's a ton of him in.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
College basketball where you see a kid warming up and
you're like, hey, Bud, you should probably go to the
other side of the street.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I think there are more. I think there are more
in college basketball that could easily transition the undersize big
it's like six to three.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I don't want to say.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The only word I would get away from is the
easily transition. I don't think it's easy, but I think
it could happen.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
When I say easily transition, I would say it's temps.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
I see.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
The other thing that is part of the argument is
just dumb because it doesn't exist. Is you know, when
you were in the weight room and the football guys
were in the weight room, you lift different, so their
body types by the time they're twenty five. I heard
Coward say this, and he's right. Remember the visual of
Michael Jordan, like in his heyday in ninety four standing
next to like Barry Bonds, he was dead. And a
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lot of basketball players because they're not lifting. If you
go to an NFL practice, these guys are so much
thicker because of the way they've been lifting squat deadlifts
from really the moment I question, I mean got on the.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
College okay, but but like I got like Zion Williamson,
his body is a football.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Body, but he's just a rare body.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Again, I got I got it, I got it. Listen,
I just watched lou Dowrt in person. It's an NFL body, Okay.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Ion would be a good cool Gion would be a
good uh yeah. For example of like, wouldn't we question
like you know, I would say toughness battling through mental
toughness obviously athleticisms there and the just natural ability to
carry three hundred like it's no problem.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
The only the guy a football player, you know, I
don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I mean your look a defensive end where all you
do is, you know, you gotta learn technique. All you
gotta do is go get up to the quarterback with
that level.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Or here's what I know. If Zion quit the NBA
tomorrow and like I want to go to the NFL,
thirty two teams, work them out, correct, correct, and someone
will find right and.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
There is that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't believe there's an NBA player that would have
the same opportunity, an NFL player that would have the
same opportunity the NBA.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
That's kind of awesome.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Fall Like you did you see the clip of like
t Higgins playing basketball. These guys are just like the
difference of six y three like.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Tyreek Like Tyreek Hill could be an unbelievable defensive player, unbelievable,
but he's tiny, and the records, it's skill is too
hard to catch up. They look like they're dribbling with
their elbows right. It's just there's too much skill with
a ball in your hands. It's a it's a very
different kind of athleticism.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
N Nate Robinson was a guy that did both right.
And look at his body.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Type again, he's a freak. He's an absolute freak.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And uh and and probably should have played football, might
have had a longer.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think, and you know this, the football guys get
really offended, yes, because it's part about the toughness, but
part about like, you guys make all this money and
half you guys sit out games or do anything like
that's not it's just not allowed.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I got I got it, but it is.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It is hilarious right that, whether they wanted it or not,
the NFL has been made way softer in their practice.
How much time they can you know, how much time
they can practice it for sure. Yeah, so they're going like, man,
we're way tougher, Like that's funny because you don't have
two days anymore. You can't hit certain days, right, you're
off week, you can't even come in to the office
for a certain amount of time. And then during during
(28:59):
game like the other part. I've always thought, I've always
said this about Lebron James. People like Lebron James wouldn't
want to get hit going over the middle. Nobody wants
to get hit going over the middle. Nobody sits there
and goes like, man, I I woke up today thinking
I was gonna get ear hold right. Nobody wants that
period stop. The one thing I would I would agree
(29:21):
with NFL players is it's very hard to play a
defensive position because people think that there's a skill to
learning how to hit people, you know, and if you
haven't done that for a long time, everyone thinks, well,
then I'll just play defense so I don't get hit. Like, yeah,
there's a lot more skill in that than you think.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Well, I think there's a there's a level of like
think about some of the extra Travis Bastrana or some
of the skiers, like how do you just pull the
trigger on leaping over that? It's kind of like that
in football. I mean, anyone that played high school football
and know it was the first time you put on pads,
you just kind of got it. You either got it
or you don't. And that's that's the thing that separates
guys pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So it's a great point.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
This is this is I'm gonna give up what's it
a ps what's a a personal service? What's an announcement?
When a PSA? Okay, a public service announcement. I understand that.
Brain docs or tell you, like, don't have your kid
play football until they're fourteen, right, that's the big thing,
to don't play tackle football to their fourteen. I disagree,
(30:23):
and I'm telling you from personal experience. I want my
kid playing at like ten, which he did, because I
want him to get hit at ten, and if he
comes to practice the next day after getting hit, if
he puts on his helmet, shoulder pads and says, I'm
going for again, Okay, you can play football. If not,
you don't want to do it, that's fine, okay, But
you don't want that to happen when they're fourteen because
(30:44):
in the fourteen they get hit by a grown ass
man and that can actually do some damage to you,
whereas when they're ten, you really can't. That's my personal
that's my that's my PSA. I'm trying to think there's
anything football wise I I other than that. I think
that's just such an awesome discussion, truly, a truly amazing discussion.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I think a lot of guys like the rookie mini
camps are going on this week. Oh yeah, yeah, and
OTAs and all that stuff. I think a lot of
NBA guys, you know, that in the size range we
talked about, would look fantastic. You just never know the
thing was Like in basketball or even baseball, you could
see a guy stimulated, a be hitting off, a guy
(31:24):
throwing ninety five, like, oh there's something there, or basketball,
watch a guy work out in football, and I've gone
to these OTAs for fifteen years, even back to college.
Like you get some young guys with shorts and T shirts.
It's just a the sport is only the sport when
the pads are on, and you can't figure anything out
until then. And even then sometimes it takes some time
(31:44):
getting used to, so they're just more unknown. I would
say in football, it's just it's kind of unique that way.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
I do have one. Kirk Cousins is mythed. Does it matter.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
When you take the most money possible and you're willing
to go whatever as you move around in your professional career,
I would say any team sport, you just don't have
as much equity, So like, I don't feel bad for him,
Like he goes there, they're not the money is his power.
(32:25):
He's not getting the keys of the castle. And in
the terms of they're going to do everything we can
argue to we're blue in the face. It was a
dumb move. So they take the defensive guy. But like,
I think it's a risky move from the personnel standpoint
of just making it weird. But I don't feel bad
for kirk Cousins at all, So, like I understand the
human being, Like why didn't we just use that pick
(32:45):
on a defensive guy. We had not a very good
defense last year, especially when it came to turnovers, and
we have no path rush and there's path rushers on
the board. But like, I'm not losing sleep if I'm
in the Atlanta Falcons front office. Then Kirk Cousins is
mad because the other thing is part of the reason
we sign him high character guy, Like what are you
gonna do come in and act like an a hole
to him? Like he's not going to do that. So
(33:06):
it's just it kind of is what it is. At
the end of the day. It's like, hey, bro, we
paid you forty five million to be the started quarterback.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, I mean listen, but it.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Gets back to he's he's not going to be at
opas because or he'll be there, but he can't really
practice probably yet because of the leg. So all the
sudden Panix is out there like it was always going
to be weird because of this situation.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
John, it'll call three and nowts the podcast. Make sure
you wear your hat correctly.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I will well ball, guys, we don't follow the same rules.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I mean we just you guys have there. You know
what if we haven't shaved our head, it looks funny.
We have different rules. We can do whatever we want
with it.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Oh, you can wear your hat backwards.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I can't yet I do sometimes.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I actually think Colin's missing it. Okay, the hat on
top of the head is the worst look. With the
hair in front showing is the worst look humanly possible.
Nobody takes you serious. So you look like a dip
dip wood, Yeah, you just do, John mit Olcoff.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Thanks Johnny.
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And Doug, well, hear why you think Rick Carlisle is wrong?
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But first, I've got a game, and that game today.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Is I feel a draft?
Speaker 7 (34:45):
All right?
Speaker 10 (34:45):
I'm Dan Byron at the news desk competing today, Jason Stewart, Iowa, Sam,
and of course you Doug. Is we draft the best
nickname for the NHL team in Utah. Yesterday the twenty
possible nominees, the twenty nominations for the next nickname of
the Utah team in NHL in the NHL were released.
(35:07):
We will draft from those twenty. You can buy the
way vote online. You can vote for as many as
four at the time. Number one overall pick give me
the Utah Cariboo. I know it may seem out there,
but the Utah Boo sounds pretty cool to me. Give
me the Cariboo. With the first overall. Hey Boo, Doug,
(35:30):
you picked second then Jason and.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Sam Okay I like and I do know here here's
one issue Cariboo. There's Cariboo Coffee, which I believe is
a Minneapolis company, so only thing. But I do love
the Hey Boo and the Cariboo. I like the Uta
Yetti now I do I love YETI the cups, I
love the coolers whatever. I know that's an Austin company.
(35:53):
I like the Utah YETI again, and I knew Jason
Stewart like this because he likes alliteration. Utah YETI works
to me?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Location? Why does it works for me? I go Utah Yetie.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Yeah, it's called consonants when you do two vowels, it's
not alliteration. Utah Black Diamonds is a great one only
because hashtag ski Utah. I've done a week in Utah
and a lot of black Diamonds on Park City and
all of those Solitude, all those great links over there. Sam.
Speaker 10 (36:25):
Back to back picks for Sam.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Here, I'm gonna go with Squall and Outlaws.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Squall and Outlaws.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
I wondered about outlaws because how many outlaws are there
in Utah?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Really?
Speaker 7 (36:39):
I started on Buffalo Bill down, throwing back to that
whole wild West.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
You know, maybe in the Real Housewives of Salt Lake
City there could be as well. But all right, so
squall and out outlaws, they're off the board, all right, Jason.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
Oh Man, I came back quick. I kind of can
I go off the board?
Speaker 3 (36:58):
You know where you want?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Dude?
Speaker 7 (36:59):
I like the Utah's Ion. Uh Zion is a national
park and it's beautiful. I want the Utah Zion and
it sounds cool, you know.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
Southern part of the state combining with the northern part
of the state. All right, Doug, Uh, I like Utah Hive.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
It's the Beehive state. You're walking into a You're walking
into a hive. Lots of buzzing sounds Utah Hive.
Speaker 10 (37:23):
Now, I would think like the movie fans would be
like the Utah gimme twos? Is that the line from
the whatever?
Speaker 7 (37:29):
What is that point break?
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
But uh.
Speaker 10 (37:34):
H, I would love the Utah Powder. I'm a I'm
not a fan of the no s at the end
of the nicknames. But I went back to back with
Cariboo and I did too.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I honestly, I thought the exact same thing before I
said mine, I just knew we're up against it.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
And but you make a great point. It's hard.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
What is that called when you when it's when it
ends in a constant, doesn't n an s wow.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
I don't know. I'll look it up.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
But that's game time time.
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
Uh, you guys are gonna have to help me here, okay,
because what happens when you're off for two Why I
never take time off. Somewhere in my boss's office, there's
just a backlog of there's a backlog of days off
that I have to take. But the reason is I
(01:13):
just I don't know. There's just always something to talk about,
and I love it. I love hosting the show, and
so in the litany of things I want to talk about,
the Pacers getting absolutely screwed by the officials is part
of it. I don't think Rick Carlisle is correct, but.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't think there's this league wide conspiracy to keep
the small market teams out of it. Otherwise wire the
Timberwolves and the Nuggets and Oklahoma City flourishing right now.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And just don't.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
There's also the Jokic winning his third MVP and all
the discussion, including Shaquille O'Neal's very strange interview with him.
There's Collins deal with there's Collins deal with the hat
on backwards. We'll get to that. There's the and I
(02:11):
I think I was off the last two days, and
that was when we had the Austin Rivers thirty guys
could play in the NFL. There's the WNBA getting charter
flights like it feels like they think there's a big
check coming right and they've already cashed it and already
spent the money a lot to get to So it's
(02:38):
one of those deals where you're like, man, where do
I begin?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Where do I begin? Let's start with the MVP.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So yesterday it was announced that Nikola Jokich just won
his third NBA MVP. And I'm going to be totally
candid with you. I think most everyone who has commented
on it is completely full of crap. But they're full
of crap from the way in which we're all kind
(03:10):
of full of it. You know, did you read every
word of the books you were supposed to read in
high school? Or did you get cliff notes? Or did
you read most of it and then you kind of
skimmed it and you were discussing it in class. I'd
say most of us you read it sort of like
(03:32):
I read Lord of the Flies. I like Lord of
the Flies. I still don't know if it's a conch
or a kunk, does anybody? But I just I truly
believe what's happened here is all these conflicting things happening
(03:53):
at once. The first thing is, I think one reason,
a bit reason Jokic won the MVP was an over
correction from last year. Last year he was on pace
to win the m v P. Kendrick Perkins made it
about race, make no mistake about it. He made it
(04:13):
about race, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And it uh.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You compound that with the fact that he didn't finish
finish the season nearly as strongly, and Embiid only played
against him once and played great, didn't play when they
played in Denver. And he didn't win the MVP this
year because he because of what happened last year in
an effort to kind of right the wrong, and because
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he was far and away the best player in the
playoffs last year and they won the championship. It was
it was almost confirmation bias with any of the voters.
We're like a year late and a dollar short on
a lot of this stuff. When guys lose their game,
we usually don't get it till years later. When a
guy is an effective player, weally don't get it tow
a year later as well. And in this case, Jokic
(05:03):
won the MVP because of last year and because who's
really that strong a candidate, shay Gilgess Alexander I guess
they were the one seed, but because he hasn't done
anything in the playoffs, and because be honest with yourself,
no one watches Oklahoma City play No one watches Oklahoma
(05:26):
City play. I've been to two Thunder games, including Game
one I was at the other night. I've watched him.
He's amazing. Okay, he hit two big threes that really
opened up the game, opened up the floodgates. He gets
the like Jalen Brunson. He gets the benefit of the
doubt calls by creating contact, so he's getting superstar calls
(05:49):
or superstar treatment. The league has taken notice, and most
people think he was a viable candidate. They got the
one seed. He had great numbers, he shot a great percentage.
It's it's not crazy to vote for him. It's not
crazy to vote for Yokich, It's not crazy to vote
for a lot of these guys. For Jason Tatum, they
had the best record in the league and he was
their leading scorer. He's their go to guy. Like it's
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there's no real A lot of the MVP discussion, honestly
is because of the twenty four to seven news cycle,
and specifically because ESPN has, just like the NBA, they're
trying to find a way to get you to watch
regular season games, which you don't want to watch because
they're not played at a high level of intensity. So
if you trigger the MVP conversation in November, it becomes
(06:34):
kind of a running thing, and we pay attention to
it way more now than we did previously. It's kind
of brilliant, to be honest with you, But there's something
weird kind of at play here. Shaquille O'Neil is defender
of all things big men, isn't he. He had this
interview with Jokich last night.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
You know, I love you, the best player in the league.
I want to congratulate you, but I want you to
hear from me. I thought the SGA should have been
the MVP. Has no disrespect to you, but congratulations and
what do you guys have to do to get back
on track versus Minnesota? Thank you, Shav.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
We don't judge people here, you know, so that's fine opinion.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Hey, all good. I love you, I love your brothers.
One thing we always going to do is keep it
real with each other. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I actually, on one level I respect that what Shack's doing.
On another level, it has no place in that discussion,
right Like he wanted to make sure that yo, kids.
But here's the the Shaquille and he will have a
vote if you don't have a vote, then who cares?
Who cares what you think by the way you have
(07:48):
inside the NBA. I'm sure yokud seize it and you
could sit there and go like but it's really really weird,
really weird that the defender of the big man for
the life of the show, Shaquille Neil, has been completely
blind to how the game has changed. I throw it
(08:08):
into the big field that Shaquille O'Neal would jump off
of the Jokisch bandwag and then contradicted saying you're the
best player in the league. What what is the It
didn't make it, it makes any sense. What is the
(08:29):
the deal? What's the actual deal? Do I think it's
the anti foreign bias?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Do I think it has anything to do with this
skin color? I don't think so, I really don't. I
don't think. Do I think that NBA players have biases
about white dudes? Of course, of course, And it's been
built up over time, time and again, time and again.
(09:04):
All Right, the vast majority of NBA players are black.
They just are even mixed race, more so than Mike
and the European players were always seen as floppers. Now
the one thing about Shay is He's not actually American,
He's Canadian.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Do people know that?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And he is a bit of a throwback in that
he's not a particularly high level, high volume, proficient three
point shooter. So it's a weird one. It's a very
strange one. But I honestly think it's the anti foreign
player bias. That's my presumption. And yes, most foreign players
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are do have they're white guys, but not all of them,
be honest. Is not Embiid is not? I know Embiid
is naturalized, but he's not. You know, it is weird.
No one said this about about Giannis. No one said
it about a chem Right, those are big guys who
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are the best player in the league, who won the MVP.
There's never been anything of it. So is this is
are we just again? Am I denying what society is
doing because there is a correlation there between the protests, right?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
We do know that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
The protests are most of these people are complete buffoons
and idiots, right, not even realizing that there are Americans
being held hostage.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
In Gaza, three of them.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
How we don't have nightly vigils for those three human
beings is the saddest thing in the history of the
United States. Instead, we have actual vigils for people who
support terrorists activity. That's the world we're living in.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And what is it.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's the fact that we have for the last ten
fifteen years we have been anti anyone who's in power.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I think about it. Any president, complete.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Idiot, doesn't matter the president, doesn't matter the side, right,
don't matter of the side. Every president's an idiot. Every
commissioner is the worst. Every commissioner gets bowed right, every.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
One of them.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Any leader is the worst human being ever, and generally
anybody with white skin is bad because of I don't
know what did Yokich do.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Has that ever happened in the history of broadcast TV? Ever,
the guy wins the MVP, and Shaquille O'Neill, who was
an MVP.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Says, I just want you to know that I thought
Shaike kills or should have been the MVP.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It's unbelievably disrespectful to the award, to the accomplishment.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And oh yeah, by the way, in your effort to
tell the world that you didn't think he was the MVP.
Does Shack have a vote? Again, I don't know if
he has a vote. If he has a vote.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Then all he had to say was, look, I just
want you to know I voted for Shay okay, but
she didn't have to. So I guess I'm asking you
what is at play? What could possibly be a play?
It did not happen when Joel Embiid won it, it
did not happen when Giannis won it, and those are
foreign born players. When you know now Dirk won it.
(12:56):
I don't remember any sort of discussion about any sort
of negativity to and Dirk couldn't guard the chair that
I'm sitting in either. It's the craziest thing I can
possibly think of, possibly think of. I just again, I'm
(13:20):
trying to make heads or tails of it, and I
don't know what the actual answer is. And I do
not want to make it about race. I always think
that's the last possible thing. You guys know me, like,
I truly believe that race is the last possible like no, no, no.
(13:40):
And I do think there's an anti big guy bias,
right because so many of us look more like Steph,
look more like Brunson than we do like Embiid, than
we do like Giannis. Then we do and and honestly,
the Anthony Edward types because they're so breathtaking with their
(14:05):
sheer athleticism that we have infatuation with that more so
than we do the footwork of a big guy or
the passing ability of a Yokich. But I struggle with
this one. And I know Shack a little bit. Shack
(14:28):
is everything he purports himself to be. He's a really
fun human being to be around, a really fun human
being to be around. And if you've listened to any
of his stuff on his life, like he's really kind
of found a good balance in life. He felt like
he was in the wrong place for a long long
time and now he's found that sort of balance. But man,
(14:57):
I gotta tell you, that is such an a boat.
The NBA has got some terrible looks. Today you had
the MVP of the NBA and a former MVP who's
a fellow big man, defender of the big man, like say,
I didn't think you were the MVP in an interview
the night he wins the MVP award. What And then
(15:17):
today you wake up and Patrick Beverley got four games
for throwing a ball not once, but twice into the stands.
Let me ask you a question, if a fan. If
a ball came into the stands, or a fan bought
a basketball at a concession, like went into the team store,
bought a basketball and threw the ball at Patrick Beverly
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when Pat wasn't looking, and he jumped up and caught it.
What would happen to that fan? He would never be
allowed in an NBA arena ever, Again, my being too bold.
If a fan threw a ball at a player, the
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fan would be immediately ejected and never allowed back in.
I don't think I'm being over the top of that,
Jase Dud. Do you think that's wrong? Is that too harsh?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
No?
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I think it's the rule. You can't throw a ball
at a player correct.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Even more so, you can't throw a ball a fan.
And Adam Silver allows that to happen. They set a
precedent today. They set a precedent today. Remember the guy
who threw the cup that started the mouice at the palace, right,
(16:45):
he threw an empty cup. It tags run, our test run,
our test goes crazy and just starts leveling fans with Haymakers,
leveling fans with hay makers. That guy, okay, that guy
(17:09):
is never allowed back in an NBA Arena.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Ever, he threw a cup.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
An NBA player Pat Beverley, who and this is not
his first offense in terms of being an a hole
throws the ball twice.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Reminds me.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Do you guys remember the movie sole Man from the eighties?
Talk about a movie that'll never be made again. It's
a Yale law school right when he pretended to be black,
he put some stuff on his skin so he looked
like he was black. And there was this line from
the movie.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Mister Watson, can you name the president for us?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yes, sir, the President, sir, is is Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Sir, mister Watson, I am not a humorless man, but
if you're going to take up my class time making jokes,
please see to it that they are funny. Miss Walker.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
H Rhode Island versus Caltano. Yeah, the President. By the way,
that's a great James Earl Jones. No greater pipes than
great James Earl Jones. The precedent, they said, a precedent.
It's not okay to throw a ball a fan, but
I'll get you four games. Can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I don't know, rough day for the NBA. Rough day.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
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Speaker 2 (18:51):
Nothing is soft and sensitive as fake tough guys, right,
that's NFL guys. NFL guys are so soft and sensitive. Okay,
So by now I again, and I understand I'm violating
one of the core principles of what we try and
do on The Doug Gottlieb Show, which is talk about
(19:13):
the freshest, hottest stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Right, I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The Austin Rivers thing was a couple days ago, but
everybody's still talking about it.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Keep in mind, this is James Jones yesterday on Fox
Sports one on Speak.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
Let's just get this straight.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Number one.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
They put in a flop role in the NBA because
you guys are soft. Oh see, now you I started
a trend of rest games.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
That's what y'all started. And now y'all walk in extra votes.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
And all that type of stuff to win the MVP
because you only played twenty two games out of eighty two,
y'all started that. So y'all all start number two. You
said thirty dudes if you want to say it, one dude,
maybe Anthony Edwards could play safety or something. I ought
to listen to you or something like that. You said,
thirty dudes, no, Number one, put inspect on our sports.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
That's number one.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
It is not just run and catch the ball and
turn around. It ain't just hand the ball off and
do that. It takes a lot of work at your
craft to do what we do on the football field
and Austin Rivers. If you stepped on the football field, homeboy,
you wouldn't make it. We know that right now because
you barely made it in the NBA and I'm just
keeping it a buck.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I'm football is not an easy game.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
That's why a lot of football players basketball players have
stepped on the football field. Step right back on the
basketball court because it's not an easy game. It's a
lot that goes in to the NFL. And you're not
about to walk into the NFL and think you're just
about to catch and turn around. Try again, homeboy, do
your research on the NFL. Man, watch some football games,
old games, new games, whatever you want to watch and
(20:42):
catch up on a man, because thirty dudes in the
NFL and the NBA and ome.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Boy, okay, I played basketball against James Jones here actually
pretty good. But the problem is that James Jones, in
order to play like he'd want to play like at
a high level in the NBA, he's too small. Made
Austin Rivers point for him by saying, Ah, you want
to tell me Anthony Edwards one guy? Okay, go through
the teams, you know, give me a team. I'll tell
(21:09):
you there's a guy. There's thirty teams. He's talking about
one guy on a fifteen guy roster. All the NFL
players want to be NBA players, they do. The problem
is most of them too small to be NBA players
based upon their skill set, very very few, right, Whereas
I could go through an NBA roster, right, I mean
(21:34):
Oklahoma City thunder Keyante Johnson or Jylen Williams probably could.
The Dallas Mavericks o Max prosper like dude six seven,
two thirty freak athlete. Yeah, that dogged hunt, you know, heck,
look at the Knicks og. Maybe Josh Hart, Like, you mean,
tell me Josh Hart, come play football. He's scared of contact.
(21:56):
Oh yeah, By the way, they put in a flop role. Well,
what's the NFL done? How tough is the NFL no
more to a days limited contact in practice. And oh yeah,
by the way, like all of the nasty, jacked up
shots from our childhood are gone. Can't hit quarterbacks below
the knee, above the neck? Everything's a flag? Like, what
(22:17):
are you talking about? This is a societal move, not
just a basketball move. Thirty a bit ambitious, but the
idea of one guy per roster. He's much more right
than he is wrong. Let's bring in John Mendlkoff, who
used to be a scout in the nash Football League. John,
(22:39):
I ask you because I have a friend who's a
GM who has asked me every year, Hey, when you
go to a basketball game, find me one per game.
And he's like, look, there is in addition to the
requisite size, speed, skill, overall athletic traits, the other part
you need is to have played football growing up, because
(22:59):
you can't just never play football before. There is technique
to it, and even that it's going to take a
lot of work, but it can happen.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
What are your thoughts on the discussion?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Well, I think there are a lot of different variables here.
If you just look, and I'm with you, the NFL
guys could not transition to the NBA, right, I mean
Trent Williams, one of the biggest players in the NFL.
He's like six ' five. Praymond's like one of the
smallest bigs in the NBA history. He's like six five
and a half, right, sixty six. So the size element,
I mean Steph Curry would be the size of the
(23:30):
majority of guys in the NFL, and he's sixty three
and he's one of the smaller guys in the NBA.
But I think when you look at the NFL stuff,
obviously there are a ton of guys. You know, some
of these guys are too tall. We all know that.
But any guy from you know, I would say six
feet to six five sixty six. You know, you watch Tyreek,
Maxie or some Russell Westbrook in his prime. Obviously, their
(23:53):
athleticism is NFL Like NFL teams, if they like quit,
you know, when they were twenty three and wanted to
play football, every NFL team would wor come out.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Chris Long had a really good rant. I think if
these guys played in even if they didn't play in
high school, they went out and started playing college and
got used to the mentality of you know, in basketball,
show up to shoot around, and if you're a star,
you're don't have to show up. You play the game.
In football, it's the grind. The training camp is obviously
(24:21):
a lot different than two days, but it's still eight
am to nine pm for thirty five straight days, and
then once the season starts, it's basically a six day
week work week, one day off, and you play the game.
So the culture and the difference, Like you know pat
Riley who gave he gives the best press conference of
the year. Everyone's like, god, can you believe what he said? Again,
that's like an NFL press conference from every coach on Monday.
(24:43):
So the way that the culture of getting yelled at
and coach hard is dramatically different, at least for the
star players. I mean, young guys still get yelled at
by coaches in basketball, but the physical toughness, you just
wouldn't know if they liked it, if they would grind
until they did. Sure, obviously, Like you can't watch Jalen
Brunston and go that guy doesn't have an NFL body.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Uh, he probably doesn't have NFL speed. Like I would
say more Josh Hart and the right like.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Mac Maxy Maxy would be a guy that jumped out
to me just moving around Gez.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I I struggle with the guards because you know, like what,
it's position dependent, and I do think, Look, there's a
ton of there's a ton of technique that goes into
like wide receiver right like people like and those guys
are absolute freaks, so there's very few positions that they
can play like. That's why people think tight end. Although
the problem is there's a lot of technique in blocking
(25:40):
that you can't just pick up right and with the
exception of like if you're Travis Kelcey, you can't you know,
you gotta be a block. But I mean, obviously like
Antonio Gates, I mean it was a mid.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Major big guy. I think there's a ton of him in.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
College basketball where you see a kid warming up and
you're like, hey, Bud, you should probably go to the
other side of the street.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I think there are more. I think there are more
in college basketball that could easily transition the undersize big
it's like six to three.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I don't want to say.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The only word I would get away from is the
easily transition. I don't think it's easy, but I think
it could happen.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
When I say easily transition, I would say it's temps.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
I see.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
The other thing that is part of the argument is
just dumb because it doesn't exist. Is you know, when
you were in the weight room and the football guys
were in the weight room, you lift different, so their
body types by the time they're twenty five. I heard
Coward say this, and he's right. Remember the visual of
Michael Jordan, like in his heyday in ninety four standing
next to like Barry Bonds, he was dead. And a
(26:37):
lot of basketball players because they're not lifting. If you
go to an NFL practice, these guys are so much
thicker because of the way they've been lifting squat deadlifts
from really the moment I question, I mean got on the.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
College okay, but but like I got like Zion Williamson,
his body is a football.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Body, but he's just a rare body.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Again, I got I got it, I got it. Listen,
I just watched lou Dowrt in person. It's an NFL body, Okay.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Ion would be a good cool Gion would be a
good uh yeah. For example of like, wouldn't we question
like you know, I would say toughness battling through mental
toughness obviously athleticisms there and the just natural ability to
carry three hundred like it's no problem.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
The only the guy a football player, you know, I
don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I mean your look a defensive end where all you
do is, you know, you gotta learn technique. All you
gotta do is go get up to the quarterback with
that level.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Or here's what I know. If Zion quit the NBA
tomorrow and like I want to go to the NFL,
thirty two teams, work them out, correct, correct, and someone
will find right and.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
There is that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't believe there's an NBA player that would have
the same opportunity, an NFL player that would have the
same opportunity the NBA.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
That's kind of awesome.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Fall Like you did you see the clip of like
t Higgins playing basketball. These guys are just like the
difference of six y three like.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Tyreek Like Tyreek Hill could be an unbelievable defensive player, unbelievable,
but he's tiny, and the records, it's skill is too
hard to catch up. They look like they're dribbling with
their elbows right. It's just there's too much skill with
a ball in your hands. It's a it's a very
different kind of athleticism.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
N Nate Robinson was a guy that did both right.
And look at his body.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Type again, he's a freak. He's an absolute freak.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And uh and and probably should have played football, might
have had a longer.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think, and you know this, the football guys get
really offended, yes, because it's part about the toughness, but
part about like, you guys make all this money and
half you guys sit out games or do anything like
that's not it's just not allowed.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I got I got it, but it is.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It is hilarious right that, whether they wanted it or not,
the NFL has been made way softer in their practice.
How much time they can you know, how much time
they can practice it for sure. Yeah, so they're going like, man,
we're way tougher, Like that's funny because you don't have
two days anymore. You can't hit certain days, right, you're
off week, you can't even come in to the office
for a certain amount of time. And then during during
(28:59):
game like the other part. I've always thought, I've always
said this about Lebron James. People like Lebron James wouldn't
want to get hit going over the middle. Nobody wants
to get hit going over the middle. Nobody sits there
and goes like, man, I I woke up today thinking
I was gonna get ear hold right. Nobody wants that
period stop. The one thing I would I would agree
(29:21):
with NFL players is it's very hard to play a
defensive position because people think that there's a skill to
learning how to hit people, you know, and if you
haven't done that for a long time, everyone thinks, well,
then I'll just play defense so I don't get hit. Like, yeah,
there's a lot more skill in that than you think.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Well, I think there's a there's a level of like
think about some of the extra Travis Bastrana or some
of the skiers, like how do you just pull the
trigger on leaping over that? It's kind of like that
in football. I mean, anyone that played high school football
and know it was the first time you put on pads,
you just kind of got it. You either got it
or you don't. And that's that's the thing that separates
guys pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So it's a great point.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
This is this is I'm gonna give up what's it
a ps what's a a personal service? What's an announcement?
When a PSA? Okay, a public service announcement. I understand that.
Brain docs or tell you, like, don't have your kid
play football until they're fourteen, right, that's the big thing,
to don't play tackle football to their fourteen. I disagree,
(30:23):
and I'm telling you from personal experience. I want my
kid playing at like ten, which he did, because I
want him to get hit at ten, and if he
comes to practice the next day after getting hit, if
he puts on his helmet, shoulder pads and says, I'm
going for again, Okay, you can play football. If not,
you don't want to do it, that's fine, okay, But
you don't want that to happen when they're fourteen because
(30:44):
in the fourteen they get hit by a grown ass
man and that can actually do some damage to you,
whereas when they're ten, you really can't. That's my personal
that's my that's my PSA. I'm trying to think there's
anything football wise I I other than that. I think
that's just such an awesome discussion, truly, a truly amazing discussion.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I think a lot of guys like the rookie mini
camps are going on this week. Oh yeah, yeah, and
OTAs and all that stuff. I think a lot of
NBA guys, you know, that in the size range we
talked about, would look fantastic. You just never know the
thing was Like in basketball or even baseball, you could
see a guy stimulated, a be hitting off, a guy
(31:24):
throwing ninety five, like, oh there's something there, or basketball,
watch a guy work out in football, and I've gone
to these OTAs for fifteen years, even back to college.
Like you get some young guys with shorts and T shirts.
It's just a the sport is only the sport when
the pads are on, and you can't figure anything out
until then. And even then sometimes it takes some time
(31:44):
getting used to, so they're just more unknown. I would
say in football, it's just it's kind of unique that way.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
I do have one. Kirk Cousins is mythed. Does it matter.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
When you take the most money possible and you're willing
to go whatever as you move around in your professional career,
I would say any team sport, you just don't have
as much equity, So like, I don't feel bad for him,
Like he goes there, they're not the money is his power.
(32:25):
He's not getting the keys of the castle. And in
the terms of they're going to do everything we can
argue to we're blue in the face. It was a
dumb move. So they take the defensive guy. But like,
I think it's a risky move from the personnel standpoint
of just making it weird. But I don't feel bad
for kirk Cousins at all, So, like I understand the
human being, Like why didn't we just use that pick
(32:45):
on a defensive guy. We had not a very good
defense last year, especially when it came to turnovers, and
we have no path rush and there's path rushers on
the board. But like, I'm not losing sleep if I'm
in the Atlanta Falcons front office. Then Kirk Cousins is
mad because the other thing is part of the reason
we sign him high character guy, Like what are you
gonna do come in and act like an a hole
to him? Like he's not going to do that. So
(33:06):
it's just it kind of is what it is. At
the end of the day. It's like, hey, bro, we
paid you forty five million to be the started quarterback.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, I mean listen, but it.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Gets back to he's he's not going to be at
opas because or he'll be there, but he can't really
practice probably yet because of the leg. So all the
sudden Panix is out there like it was always going
to be weird because of this situation.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
John, it'll call three and nowts the podcast. Make sure
you wear your hat correctly.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I will well ball, guys, we don't follow the same rules.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I mean we just you guys have there. You know
what if we haven't shaved our head, it looks funny.
We have different rules. We can do whatever we want
with it.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Oh, you can wear your hat backwards.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I can't yet I do sometimes.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I actually think Colin's missing it. Okay, the hat on
top of the head is the worst look. With the
hair in front showing is the worst look humanly possible.
Nobody takes you serious. So you look like a dip
dip wood, Yeah, you just do, John mit Olcoff.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Thanks Johnny.
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But first, I've got a game, and that game today.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Is I feel a draft?
Speaker 7 (34:45):
All right?
Speaker 10 (34:45):
I'm Dan Byron at the news desk competing today, Jason Stewart, Iowa, Sam,
and of course you Doug. Is we draft the best
nickname for the NHL team in Utah. Yesterday the twenty
possible nominees, the twenty nominations for the next nickname of
the Utah team in NHL in the NHL were released.
(35:07):
We will draft from those twenty. You can buy the
way vote online. You can vote for as many as
four at the time. Number one overall pick give me
the Utah Cariboo. I know it may seem out there,
but the Utah Boo sounds pretty cool to me. Give
me the Cariboo. With the first overall. Hey Boo, Doug,
(35:30):
you picked second then Jason and.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Sam Okay I like and I do know here here's
one issue Cariboo. There's Cariboo Coffee, which I believe is
a Minneapolis company, so only thing. But I do love
the Hey Boo and the Cariboo. I like the Uta
Yetti now I do I love YETI the cups, I
love the coolers whatever. I know that's an Austin company.
(35:53):
I like the Utah YETI again, and I knew Jason
Stewart like this because he likes alliteration. Utah YETI works
to me?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Location? Why does it works for me? I go Utah Yetie.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Yeah, it's called consonants when you do two vowels, it's
not alliteration. Utah Black Diamonds is a great one only
because hashtag ski Utah. I've done a week in Utah
and a lot of black Diamonds on Park City and
all of those Solitude, all those great links over there. Sam.
Speaker 10 (36:25):
Back to back picks for Sam.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Here, I'm gonna go with Squall and Outlaws.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Squall and Outlaws.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
I wondered about outlaws because how many outlaws are there
in Utah?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Really?
Speaker 7 (36:39):
I started on Buffalo Bill down, throwing back to that
whole wild West.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
You know, maybe in the Real Housewives of Salt Lake
City there could be as well. But all right, so
squall and out outlaws, they're off the board, all right, Jason.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
Oh Man, I came back quick. I kind of can
I go off the board?
Speaker 3 (36:58):
You know where you want?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Dude?
Speaker 7 (36:59):
I like the Utah's Ion. Uh Zion is a national
park and it's beautiful. I want the Utah Zion and
it sounds cool, you know.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
Southern part of the state combining with the northern part
of the state. All right, Doug, Uh, I like Utah Hive.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
It's the Beehive state. You're walking into a You're walking
into a hive. Lots of buzzing sounds Utah Hive.
Speaker 10 (37:23):
Now, I would think like the movie fans would be
like the Utah gimme twos? Is that the line from
the whatever?
Speaker 7 (37:29):
What is that point break?
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
But uh.
Speaker 10 (37:34):
H, I would love the Utah Powder. I'm a I'm
not a fan of the no s at the end
of the nicknames. But I went back to back with
Cariboo and I did too.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I honestly, I thought the exact same thing before I
said mine, I just knew we're up against it.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
And but you make a great point. It's hard.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
What is that called when you when it's when it
ends in a constant, doesn't n an s wow.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
I don't know. I'll look it up.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
But that's game time time.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
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Speaker 3 (38:08):
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Speaker 7 (38:12):
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Speaker 2 (38:12):
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