May 10, 2024 • 42 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug does not think Rudy Gobert should miss game two of their series with the Nuggets for the birth of his first child, and he explains why.
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
So we got a lot to get to, a lot
to get to, including the greatest roast of all time
has given us a ton a ton of fodder. But
we have some big news, which you have heard. You're
on Fox Sports Radio that tonight game two of the
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Western Conference semi finals between the Wolves and the Nuggets.
Rudy Gobert is out with for personal reasons. Personal reasons. Now, look,
I completely understand that when you say personal reasons, we
sit there and go like, hey, listen, it's personal it's
got to be super bad. That's why he's got to
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not do it. But man, he's not available. I don't
get it. What could possibly and out there he was
known they were expecting a baby in the postseason. So
the guess is something's wrong with mama, and I understand,
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But man, that's a hard one. Am I callous to
think you go play basketball? It's hard because right you
need to learn And this is something that those of
us who learned through marriages and having kids, is that
issues with babies. You absolutely everyone everyone says, go go, go, go,
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just go, spend as much time as you can. But
you got a one game to none series lead. I
guess you stole home court advantage, so mission accomplished. But
it is also one of those things where you sit
there and go like, Okay, I mean, you missed this one,
but does it make it any better if you play
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the next one. It's a really hard one because we
don't know, and it's not really our jobs, it's not
in our purview to go and find out. My guess
is that's probably gotta be like that's the only viable
explanation that everybody goes, Look, dude, I get it. Just
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take as much time as you need. But it's a
very twenty twenty four thing, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And here's why I say that.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I have.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I can't recall another athlete ever missing a game of
this magnitude. And women have had babies for well the
entirety of human existence. So if that's the issue, is
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something's up with baby and mama, I understand, I actually
really really understand. On the other hand, does that mean
that previously we were the Anserthals and we didn't care?
Does this mean that he's he's it's it's too much
of an emotional involvement or is it somewhere in the middle, Jase,
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do what you think, Bud? I mean, you have a
you have a young man who's a son. Obviously it's
not a baby, but you've been through it. I have three.
We had two that were in the nickqueu for two months.
My son who's now fifteen, he was in the niqu
for a couple of days. And you know, to this day,
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I've never I still get the I still get the
business over the fact that I worked on the day
that he was born. It was a you know, planned
sinesarean section and that was first thing in the morning,
but it was the first day of the NCAA tournament.
I was at ESPN at the time. I felt like
my job was done there. I was there and held
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him and then at some point in the middle of
the day had to go to work. Jacetu, where are
you on the personal reasons for to Gobert.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
We've had this discussion many times on the air, and
I remember the last time we had it was it
was like an epidemic a year ago at the Dodgers.
I mean maybe Ilill knows the exact number, but there
was like eight Dodgers on the twenty five man rasha
that had kids during the season, and with each one
I would go on Twitter and be like, you know,
it used to be where you time the pregnancies for
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the off season. I remember Tommy Lesorda went on a
massive rant in the late nineties about this, that that
if you if if your wife or a girlfriend that
you knocked up has a baby during the season, that's
that's on her. So and uh so it's a totally
different generation thing. This is a millennial gen Z thing,
and it's completely changed. You and I think have a
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totally different experience on.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
This This is from the Player's Tribune. A day ago, Okay,
one day ago, Rudy Gobert shared a message for the
younger generation. I wish every I wish for everyone on
this planet to have something in their life that they
give everything to, all their passion, all their heart and emotion,
the way the way I pour my soul into the
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game of basketball. I hope kids watch the video. They
can see how passionate I am on their on their
screen is someone that's fighting for his dreams. No one
should be afraid to fail, especially kids. Showing your emotions.
It's not weakness, it's just real. That's the message I
wish we'd tell kids. I see how toxic it is
for kids now on social media. It's relentless. If you're
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a teenager, you grow up in the world right now,
you need the truth, not a fairy tale. And the
truth is there's gonna be a lot of s that
is gonna happen in your life. That's gonna be tested.
You're gonna have to give months in your life when
the easiest thing to do is to staff. I've done
it myself. I'm not perfect. I've made my share of mistakes,
but I have my If I have any wisdom that
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I can share from working on myself the past few years,
it would be this. A lot of satisfaction can come
from being yourself, even when you know that some people
will make fun of you for it. To me, the
highest form of strength is when you stay true to yourself,
even in the world that will mock you for it.
That's when you show your true colors. I love that statement,
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but you know, twenty four hours later, it's like, yeah,
I can't play coach. Personal reasons on the other hand,
like if you've had kids, or you've had a wife
that has they're all different sorts of issues within pregnancy.
There are you know, there are miscarriages that happen a lot.
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You know, there's just all kinds of things that can
scare you, you know, where they can go and fear
that that the baby's gonna come too early. There's something
wrong with all those things and some of these things.
Just so you want, just so people understand, I'm not
going to poach Buyer for his information. He's a beautiful
young boy, Brodi who's just turned three, right, But I
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would guess that there it wasn't it's never been all
roses for any of us. And I do, I do
understand that you have to people that you care about,
You have to show that you care about them and
step away at times from your work. But if all
your passion and heart and everything go into basketball, man
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your significant other, I don't know. This one's a hard
one for me. Well, so like I don't want to
be critical, but like again, and part of it is,
I don't know. I'm just I'm assuming because that's kind
of the only reason that you would miss a game
of this night.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
So with that qualifier, that's a great qualifier unless something's wrong,
unless there's a health reason, negative health reason. If you
just take it as he's missing a playoff game to
be a first time father, it is his first and
I think that there are differences I think people make
that make that difference anyways, So based on that, is
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it worth missing a playoff game for? And I think
that his generation and the generation after his gen z,
I think there's no question about it. You miss the game,
you miss whatever you have. When we grew up that
there was much more of a nuanced conversation there.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Let's say, let me paint a picture okay, if something's wrong,
I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I do.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I get it, and I think, I think you I'm
I don't want to say I'm okay with it, but
I because it's not really my choice, but I do understand.
And most women, most especially you're married to or you're
you know, you're guy's a professional athlete, and you know
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she's telling him just go, just go. I'll be fine.
I'll be fine. She probably won't be fine, So you know,
stay longer than you should. But if it's gonna be
there for the birth of his first kid, I mean
the games tonight. You can't speed that thing up or
slow that thing down. You know, it's it's not a
huge it's not that small of a it's not that
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big of a window. So yeah, I'm and look of
the of the moments in my life. Holding your child
for the first time is a top tenor top tenor
and the first time you have them, it's the second
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time is actually way better, to be honest with you, like,
and part of it was they were the first time
it was super early, and so there was a lot
of fear. And I'd never been in an er before
and never seen acessarean section before the second time I
watched the whole thing, like Hays came out, Like I
watched everything.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I thought it was so cool.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I wasn't queasy in anyway. I was like, man, that's amazing. Hey,
you left a rag. You guys do the count you
left right? But I.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's very much like again, the point you made at
the end is the point that I was kind of making,
Like I understand that we are a much more this
is a much more sensitive and understanding generation and we
say just go, just go. But isn't it weird that
none of this seemed to ever happen in our lifetime
to athletes who had kids. They've all had they all
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have children, I know because they're all playing now, and
yet nobody missed a playoff came for it. So I
don't know, there is something really cool too, like when
you if you're playing and then yeah, you're you just
had a baby and you can do it kind of
like when they get older, Hey, this is what I
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did the day in which you were born.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
So I mean, this just came up with the Scottish
shuffer thing, and there was zero doubt that he was
going to miss it. It wasn't even a conversation. If
she is going to give birth to my child tomorrow,
I'm missing it. And there wasn't even a conversation about
That's what was interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, yeah, I just it's one of those things to
where you go uh uh uh Okay, this is from
our I have a we have a Timberwolves insider who
said Rudy's girlfriend is about to get birth. No issues
are believed to be with the birth. I don't know, man,
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that's a hard one game two of the playhoffs. These
things can be sped up. So here here's a question.
How long after you have the baby do you have
to stay at the hospital?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
What do you guys think you have to?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, I mean it's like, okay, say she has the baby,
Like right now, right, you hold the baby, She's good,
everything's good. Do you have to stay that night? Or
can I can? I? I mean I was gonna go
out and grab a sandwich anyway, Like, while I'm grabbing
a sandwich, what if I went and played a game
and then came back and I brought you the sandwich?
Would that be Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That's just a thought.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'm probably the worst guy to ask on this one
because I would probably I'd go hoop, you know, I'd
probably go hoop. By the way, this is a Mike
and Norri who's the acting Timberwolves head coach, right, which
is this is a I thought he was awesome. Do
you guys see him at the dais after they won
game one? You know, Chris Finch is the head coach,
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but he had Petell attendon surgery because Mike Conley ran
into him in the elimination game against the Sun and
he set his sons and he said, yeah, the plays
that worked I called. The plays that didn't work he called.
But here's Norrey talking about the ant man's performance in
game one.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
The other thing I will say that's a credit to
Ant more so is he's always had the ability, but
now he's trusting teammates and I don't you know, I
know that sounds cliches, but at the end of the day,
he's willing to get off of it and then get
it back and attack and find his spots and then
obviously see the maturity of the down the fourth quarter
of the stretch that he did.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, I think he did show in a tremendous amount
of maturity do you guys see that Anthony Edwards said,
please stop comparing me to Michael Jordan, like he's the
greatest of all time. Don't compare me, which which is
going to cause us to compare more. Plus there's the
facial features, which there's some kind of similarities there, man, Anthony.
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The story of the Playoffs to me has been Luca
and Anthony Edwards. Here's Mike Conley, who's the old head
everybody likes. Hard to find an enemy, Mike Conley having
an enemy. Talk about Anthony edwards performance as far as.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Just really proud of the way he's he's accepted the
kind of growth that he needed to needed to have
to be where he's at right now, because a lot
of that has to do with him understanding the game better,
understanding how to you know, play playoff his teammates when things,
you know, when they're double them and making it tougher
on him, He's able to make it make our life easier,
trusting us, and it's not easy for you know, twenty
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two twenty two, twenty three year old to make that
adjustment so quickly.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
So twenty two twenty two, So he's learning, so keep
it up.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yes, twenty two years old, dominating the NBA playoffs. Inditionally,
how these series go is the most vulnerable. The favorite
is ever going to be is in Game one at home.
And you know there is the old adage that a
playoff series doesn't begin until the road team wins its game. Well,
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the road team won, but now, no Rudy Gobert, it's
game two. The expectations are the Nuggets to win. Let's
see what happens tonight.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
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Speaker 1 (15:33):
Nothing is soft and sensitive as fake tough guys, right,
that's NFL guys. NFL guys are so soft and sensitive. Okay,
So by now I again, and I understand I'm violating
in one of the core principles of what we try
and do on the Doug Gottlieb Show, which is talk
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about the freshest, hottest stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Right, I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
The Austin Rivers thing was a couple of days ago,
but everybody still talking about it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Keep in mind, this is James Jones yesterday on Fox
Sports one on Speak.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Let's just get this straight.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Number one.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
They put in a flop roll in the NBA because
you guys are soft. Oh see, now you I started
a trend of rest games. That's what y'all started.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And now y'all want extra.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Votes and all that type stuff to win the MVP
because you only play twenty two games out of eighty two.
Y'all started that, So y'all all start number two. You said,
thirty dudes. If you would have said one dude, maybe
Anthony Edwards could play safety or something, o't have listened
to you or something like that. You said, thirty dudes, No,
Number one, put respect on our sports. That's number one.
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It is not just run and catch the ball and
turn around. It ain't just hand the ball off and
do that. It takes a lot of work at your
craft to do what we do on the football field
and Austin Rivers. If you stepped on the football field,
home boy, you wouldn't make it. We know that right
now because you barely made it in the NBA. And
I'm just keeping it buck. I'm football is not an
easy game, dog. That's why a lot of football players
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basketball players that stepped on the football field step right
back on the basketball court because it's not an easy game.
It's a lot that goes in to the NFL, and
you're not about to walk into the NFL and think
you're just about to catch and turn around. Try again,
home boy, do your research on the NFL. Man, watch
some football games, old games, new games, whatever you want
to watch, and catch up on a man, because thirty
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dudes in the NFL in the NBA, and boy.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay, I played basketball against Jame Jones's actually pretty good.
But the problem is that James Jones, in order to
play like he'd want to play like at a high
level in the NBA, he's too small. He actually made
Austin Rivers point for him by saying, ah, you want
to tell me, Anthony Edwards, one guy, Okay, go through
the teams, you know, give me a team. I'll tell
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you there's a guy. There's thirty teams. He's talking about
one guy on a fifteen guy roster. All the NFL
players want to be NBA players.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
They do.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
The problem is most of them too small to be
NBA players based upon their skill set, very very few. Right,
Whereas I could go through an NBA roster, right, I
mean Oklahoma City thunder Keyante Johnson or Jaylen Williams probably could.
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The Dallas mavericks o max prosper like dude six seven,
two thirty freak athlete. Yeah, that dogged hunt, you know. Heck,
look at the Knicks og Maybe Josh Hart, Like you
mean tell me Josh Hart come play football? He's scared
of contact. Oh yeah, by the way, they put in
a flop role. What's the NFL done recently? How tough
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is the NFL? No more to a days limited contact
in practice? And oh yeah, by the way, like all
of the nasty jacked up shots from our childhood are gone.
Can't hit quarterbacks below the knee, above the neck? Everything's
a flag? Like, what are you talking about? This is
a societal move, not just a basketball move. Thirty a
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bit ambitious, but the idea of one guy per roster.
He's much more right than he is wrong. Let's bring
in John Mentlkoff, who used to be a scout in
the nash Football League. John, I ask you because I
have a friend who's a GM who has asked me
every year, Hey, when you go to a basketball game,
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find me one per game. And he's like, look, there
is in addition to the requisite size, speed, skill, overall
athletic traits, the other part you need is to have
played football growing up, because you can't just never play
football before. There is technique to it, and even that
it's going to take a lot of work, but it
could happen. What are your thoughts on the discussion.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Well, I think there are a lot of different variables here.
If you just look, and I'm with you, the NFL
guys could not transition to the NBA, right, I mean
Trent Williams one of the biggest players in the NFL,
he's like six ' five. Raymond's like one of the
smallest bigs in the NBA history. He's like six five
and a half, right, sixty six.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
So the size.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Element, I mean Steph Curry would be the size of
the majority of guys in the NFL, and he's sixty
three and he's one of the smaller guys in the NBA.
But I think when you look at the NFL stuff,
obviously there are a ton of guys. You know, some
of these guys are too tall. We all know that,
but any guy from you know, I would say six
feet to six five sixty six. You know, you watch
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Tyreek mac Fee or some of Russell Westbrook in his prime.
Obviously their athleticism is NFL Like NFL teams if they
like quit and the you know, when they were twenty
three and wanted to play football, every NFL team would
work them out. Yep, Chris Long had a really good rant.
I think if these guys played in even if they
didn't play in high school, they went out, yeah, and
started playing college and got used to the mentality of
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you know, in basketball, show up to shoot around and
if you're a star, you'redn't have to show up. You
played the game. In football, it's the grind. The training
camp is obviously a lot different than two days, but
it's still eight am to nine pm for thirty five
straight days, and then once the season starts, it's basically
a six day week work week, one day off, and
you play the game. So the culture and the difference,
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like you know, pat Riley, who gave he gives the
best press conference of the year. Everyone's a god. Can
you believe what he said? Again, that's like an NFL
press conference from every coach on Monday. So the way
that the culture of getting yelled at and coach hard
is dramatically different, at least for the star players, I mean,
young guys still get yelled at by coaches in basketball,
but the physical toughness, you just wouldn't know if they
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liked it, if they would grind until they did it. Obviously,
Like you can't watch Jalen Brunston and go that guy
doesn't have an NFL body.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
He probably doesn't have NFL speed. Like I would say
more Josh Hart and the right like.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Mac Max Max. They would be a guy that jumped
out to me just moving around like Jesus.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I I struggle with the guards because you know, like
what it's position dependent and I do think, look, there's
a ton of there's a ton of technique that goes
into like wide receiver right like people like and those
guys are absolute freaks, so there's very few positions that
they can play like That's why people think tight end.
Although the problem is there's a lot of technique in
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blocking that you can't just pick up right and with
the exception of like if you're Travis Kelcey, you can't
you know, you got to be a block. But I
mean obviously like Antonio Gates, I mean it was a
mid major big guy. I think there's a ton of
them in college basketball where you see a kid warming
up and you're like, hey, Bud, you should probably go
to the other side of the street.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
I think there are more. I think there are more
in college basketball that could easily transition the undersize big
it's like six three.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I don't want to say.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
The only word I would get away from is the
easily transition. I don't think it's easy, but I think
it could happen.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
When I say easily transition, I would say it's See.
The other thing that is part of the argument is
just dumb because it doesn't exist. Is you know, when
you were in the weight room and the football guys
were in the weight room, you lift different, so their
body types by the time they're twenty five. I heard
Coward say this, and he's right. Remember the visual of
Michael Jordan like in his heyday at ninety four standing
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next to like Barry Bonds, he was sid and a
lot of basketball players because they're not lifting. If you
go to an NFL practice, these guys are so much
thicker because of the way they've been lifting squat deadlifts
from really the moment I U, I mean got on the.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Call it time, okay, but but like I got like
Zion Williamson. His body is a football.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Body, but he's just a rare bot.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Again, I got I got it, I got it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Listen, I just watched lou Dowrton In persons an NFL body, Dion.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Would be a good cool Zion would be a good
uh yeah. For example of like, wouldn't we question like
you know, I would say toughness, battling through mental toughness
obviously athleticisms there and the just natural adiity to carry
three hundred like it's no problem. Yeah, the guy a
football player, right, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I mean, you look a defensive end where all you
do is, you know, you got to learn technique. All
you gotta do is go get up to the quarterback
with that level.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Or here's what I know. If Zion quit the NBA tomorrow,
it's like I want to go to the NFL thirty
two teams, work them out, correct, correct, and someone.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Will find correct And there is not I don't believe
there's an NBA player that would have the same opportunity
an NFL player that would have the same opportunity the NBA.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
That's kind of a fall, Like did you see the
clip of like t Higgins playing basketball. These guys are
just like the difference of six y three like Tyreek.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Like Tyreek Hill could be an unbelievable defensive player, unbelievable,
but he's tiny and the requisite skill is too hard
to catch up. They look like they're dribbling with their elbows, right,
It's just there's too much skill with a ball in
your hands. It's a it's a very different kind of athleticism.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Nate Robinson was a guy that did both right and
look at and look at.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
His body type again, he's a freak. He's an absolute freak.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And uh and probably should have played football, might have
had a longer I picked and you know.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
This, the football guys get really offended, yes, because it's
part about the toughness, but part about like, you guys
make all this money and half you guys sit out
games or do anything like that's not it's just not allowed.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I got I got it. But it is.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It is hilarious right that, whether they wanted it or not,
the NFL has been made way softer in their practice.
How much time they can you know, how much time
they can practice for sure? Yeah, so they're going like man,
we're way tougher, Like that's funny because you don't have
two days anymore. You can't hit certain days, right, you're
off week, you can't even come in to the office
for a certain amount of time. And then during during
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games like the other part I've always thought, I've always
said this about Lebron James, people like Lebron James wouldn't
want to get hit going over the middle. Nobody wants
to get hit going over the middle. Nobody sits there
and goes like, man, I can I woke up today
thinking I was gonna get ear hold, right, nobody wants
that period stop the The one thing I would I
(26:01):
would agree with NFL players is it's very hard to
play a defensive position because people think that there's a
skill to learning how to hit people, you know, and
if you haven't done that for a long time, everyone thinks, well,
then I'll just play defense so I don't get hit, Like, yeah,
there's a lot lot more skill in that than you think.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
Well, I think there's a there's a level of like
think about some of the extra Travis Thestraan or some
of the skiers, like how do you just pull the
trigger on leaping over that. It's kind of like that
in football. I mean, anyone that played high school football
and knows the first time you put on pads you
just kind of got it. You either got it or
you don't. And that's that's the thing that separates guys
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pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So that's that's a great point. This is this is
I'm going to give up a h what's it a PS?
What's a personal service? What's an announcement? When a P
s A okay, a public service announcement. I understand that
brain docs will tell you, like, don't have your kid
play football, and so they're fourteen, right, that's the big
thing to doan play tackle football, so they're fourteen. I disagree,
(27:05):
and I'm telling you from personal experience, I want my
kid playing at like ten, which he did, because I
want him to get hit at ten and if he
comes to practice the next day after getting hit, if
he puts on his helmet shoulder pads and says, I'm
going for again, Okay, you can play football. If not,
you don't want to do it, that's fine, okay, but
you don't want that to happen when they're fourteen, because
(27:25):
in the fourteen they get hit by a grown ass
man and that can actually do some damage to you,
whereas when they're ten, you really can't. That's my person,
that's my that's my PSA. I'm trying to think there's
anything football wise on I other than that. I think
that's just that's such an awesome discussion, truly a truly
amazing discussion.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
I think a lot of guys, like the rookie mini
camps are going on this week, oh yeah, yeah, n
OTAs and all that stuff. I think a lot of
NBA guys you know that in it in the size
range we talked about, would look fantastic. You just never know.
The thing was like in basketball or even baseball, you
could see a guy stimulated a b hitting off a
(28:05):
guy throwing ninety five, like, oh there's something there, or basketball,
watch a guy work out in football. And I've gone
to these OTAs for fifteen years, even back to college.
Like you get some young guys with shorts and T shirts.
It's just the sport is only the sport when the
pads are on, and you can't figure anything out until then,
and even then sometimes it takes some time getting used to,
(28:26):
so they're just more unknown. I would say in football.
It's just it's kind of unique that way.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
I do have one. Kirk Cousins is mythed. Does it matter.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
When you take the most money possible and you're willing
to go whatever as you move around in your professional career,
I would say any team sport, you just don't have
as much equity. So, like, I don't feel batter for him,
Like he goes there, they're not the money is his power.
(29:06):
He's not getting the keys of the castle. And in
the terms of they're going to do everything, we can
argue till we're blue in the face. It was a
dumb move, so they take the defensive guy. But like
I think it's a risky move from the personnel standpoint
of just making it weird. But I don't feel bad
for Kirk Cousins at all. So, like I understand the
human being, Like, why didn't we just use that pick
(29:26):
on a defensive guy. We had not a very good
defense last year, especially when it came to turnovers, and
we have no path rush. There's pass rushers on the board.
But like, I'm not losing sleep if I'm in the
Atlanta Falcons front office. Then Kirk Cousins is mad because
the other thing is part of the reason we sign him.
My character guy, Like, what are you gonna do come
in and act like an a hole to him? Like
he's not going to do that. So it's just it
(29:48):
kind of is what it is. At the end of
the day. It's like, hey, bro, we paid you forty
five million to be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Yeah, but gets back to he's not he's not gonna
be at OTAs because he'll be there, but he can't
really practice probably yet because of the way. So all
of the sudden panics is out there, like it was
always gonna be weird because of this situation.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
John Mittlecoff three and now it's the podcast make sure
you wear your hat correctly? I will.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
Well, guys, we don't follow the same rules.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
What do you mean?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I mean we just you guys have there. You know what,
if we haven't shaved our head, it looks funny. We
have different rules. We can do whatever we want with it.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh, you can wear your hat backwards.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I can't yet I do sometimes I actually.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Think Colin's missing it. Okay, the hat on top of
the head is the worst look. With the hair in
front showing is the worst look humanly possible. Nobody takes
you serious, so you look like a dip dip Wood.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, you just do. John Mittlecoff, Thanks Johnny.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
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Welcome in. I do have some thoughts on the WNBA
doing copying Nascar and hockey, making the same mistakes that
others have made.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We'll get to that. Hmm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Also have some thoughts on Dallas beating Oklahoma City after
looking like Oklahoma City was unbeatable. Same thing is true
with the Celtics. I have some advice for people when
they're buying houses, and it's the same as when you're
trying to pick series. I was having this conversation with
(32:12):
my son the other day. He was like, when you
buy a house, like, what do you look for? I
was like, well, there's a lot of different things, you know, people,
I mean, budget obviously is an issue, but do you
want to live in town do you want to live
in the suburbs? Do you want to live in the country.
Do you want to live you know, town home style.
(32:33):
Do you want to live in a house. Do you
want to have a pool? Do you want to not
have a pool? Do you want to live in a
cul de sac?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
What are the comps? Do you want to redo a
house or do you want brand new? Like, there's all
these different things and that shows up in value. I said,
But the once you determine about what you're looking for,
the number one thing I would recommend to you is
(33:01):
go back a second time. Go back a second time.
When you go in and see a house for the
first time, you look at all the positives. How do
you look open kitchen concept? Honey Look, they got a
steam shower. You know people talk to like their significant other. Ooh, babe,
(33:22):
ooh babe, babe. Look ooh we've been this one. You
know it has a dining area, but not a dining
room because formal dining rooms you use what twice a year?
Talk about a waste of space? Who wants to waste space? Ooh,
(33:44):
this one's on suite. Ooh, this one has a playroom. Ooh,
this one's yards perfect. I always tell people that have kids, right,
go to the house that you want to buy at
like five in the app afternoon, Right, what's it look
like when the kids are there? When the kids are there,
(34:11):
that's when you know, hey, there's kids playing outside. Because
everybody drives into a cul de sac and there's hoops
in the cold attack and you're like, there's kids here.
But sometimes you go to these streets and there's hopes
there and the kids never come out. I remember we
first moved to an area. I definitely know Jay stew
will know what town I'm thinking of, but I'm not
going to sell it out. And we were in Connecticut,
(34:33):
and I love Connecticut. Anyone who wants to say something
bad about Connecticut, you know during your time at ESPN
there either they didn't have the money to live somewhere nice,
which is possible, although there are plenty of areas that
aren't terribly expensive that are really nice. Or two they're
just kind of full of it. And yeah, winter it
can be long. But wonderful schools, wonderful people. Not all
(34:54):
of them are wonderful people, but plenty. There's the bags everywhere, right,
But we moved and when we looked at this place,
we're like man family area, cul de sac kids. And
then the entire time, literally the entire time we lived
(35:18):
in that house, one kid came outside. Because the type
of area we were in, the people that lived there,
their kids were inside, learned to play the piano, they
were doing family things. It just wasn't an area where
kids were out playing. And had we come back in
the afternoon when we saw the house, we would have learned.
(35:41):
I was in California for two years. We moved back
to trying to look at New York and Connecticut, and
I walked into this one house in armonk New York,
and it actually backed up to like a interstate, but
it was like five acres and there was like a
pool and then a drop off in all this undeveloped
(36:02):
land that it had paths on it and it could
have been like a kid utopian.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Why is this still on the market? And it was
partially redone, but like you can redo the other stuff.
And I walked in. The kitchen was cool, and I'm like, man,
this is awesome. Let's come back and see it tomorrow.
Went back and saw tomorrow and I was like, why
is the garage detached? And then I realized that the
kitchen was where the garage used to be. And while
(36:27):
it was a brand new kitchen, when you have little kids,
you want the kitchen to be one where you can
see the pool, and two where the kids can come in,
and that wasn't I was designed. The point is always
see something a second time, and the NBA teaches you
that more than anything. I mean, you watched last night,
(36:47):
if you watched Game one, you were like, there is
no chance in hell that the Cleveland Cavaliers can be
competitive at all with the Boston Selters.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Correct, who would have thought?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
And if you watch like Luca looks exhausted, he looks injured,
and the Mavericks are kind of a one trick pony
and then Kyrie tries to go one on one and
then they fire up a bunch of threes and they
have no interior scoring. And wow, the Thunder because no
Maxi Kleeber and the Thunder are awesome at home, and
(37:19):
the Thunder are really like the Kansas City Chiefs of
the NFL, I mean the Kansasy Chiefs of the NBA,
because they have a college like atmosphere in the pros
Chiefs have always had that with Arrowhead. But the second
time round you start to this is what you do.
You pick apart the negatives. And again, it doesn't mean
(37:39):
the second time through you don't buy the house. It
doesn't mean with the second game you don't think the
Celtics are still gonna win. But man, you start to
see some negatives the second time round, don't you. The
first time you go in you're like, oh my god, kitchen, yard, house, whah,
And the second time you're like, you know these floors,
(38:00):
I don't actually like them. You know this setup doesn't
totally work for us. I mean Dan can tell you
right like when you have a baby, there's specific things
that you need right and now, when he has a toddler,
and I don't know if three is still a toddler,
but I think it's still a toddler. Now you have
(38:21):
a toddler, right, Okay, Well, you want proximity to mommy
and daddy's room. On the other hand, you don't want
it right next to mommy daddysroom because mommy Daddy want
to be mommy daddy sometimes. And then if you have you,
you want the Jack and Jill. But what if you
have a boy or girl? Right do you want that?
It's not that big a deal. But when they get older,
to get to be teenagers, then it becomes a big deal.
(38:45):
The point is that what you learned last night, or
you should have learned last night, is that the second
time through is truly telling, truly truly telling. Here's Celtics
head coach Jill Missoula after the Celtics loss at home.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I mean, it's a playoff series playing against a really
good team with really good players, well coached. So yeah,
I expected to, like you said before, it takes for
to take, so expected to be difficult.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I thought they did a good job. Obviously, their ball
pressure was better, their pickup points were higher, and I
thought they did a better job kind of like closing
out into our bodies, making it seem like we were
open and putting us in decision as whether we should
shoot it or drive it. And when we did drive it,
they did a good job collapsing and making us make
the two on one reads, which they got some deflections
on that. And I thought Mobley did a better job
protecting the paint.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, they made adjustments. Evan Mobley did a great job
of protecting the rim, just like by the way the
Dallas Mavericks. And some bit was because of foul trouble
in game one, but some of it was, you know,
a much more discipline approach in defending the rim and
walling up the three point shooters and Chase Gildos Alexander
had a great game, but they didn't hit the volume
(39:59):
of threes. And in game one, Luca tried to do
too much, Kyrie tried to do too much, and they
couldn't hit the roller. Well, the reason you couldn't hit
the roller was Oklahoma City was making sure they would
tag the orler. You guys know what tagging the roller is.
I want to visualize something for you. Tagging the roller
(40:21):
is when you set a pick and roll, somebody has
to from the weak side, has to just be there
and all you have to do is bump them once
and then you recover back to your man. It's called
tagging them. But when you tag the roller, the shooter
in the weak side corner is wide open. Did you
notice where PJ. Washington got all his threes in the
first half when he had five of them weak side corner?
(40:44):
So a lot of it was adjustments and then you'll
see adjustments to adjustments. But the biggest point is that
the second time around, the flaws become apparent. It doesn't
mean you don't buy the house. It just means you
have a much clearer vision of what the house is.
It doesn't mean the Celtics aren't going to win, but
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you have a much clear vision. By the way, the Celtics,
I don't think they win a title unless they get
Christos Ferzingis back. He brings a different dynamic that they're missing.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
It's not that al Horford can't make threes, but who's
behind al Horford? And al Horford's a little bit long
in the tooth and there are certain things that al
Horford can do, like defend the rim the way that
Christas Ferzingis can and oh yeah, by the way, the
Cleveland Cavaliers are allowed to adjust, and they did. You know,
Daniel Gafford not in foul trouble, although he did hurt
his hand, look like he broke his hand in game two,
(41:39):
you know, and Derek Lively defended the rim, protected the rim,
and they did a great job of walling off the
three point shots and some some rotations I don't really
understand for either the losing teams. But the NBA has
this rare ability, or I'd like to think it's rare,
(42:00):
you know, in the NFL that week to week the league,
the teams can look completely different. This is game to game,
but the games are only one day in between, and
it's against the same team. But isn't that just an
amazing thing that you can watch a game in game
one and come to the conclusions and then after game
two come to complete and total opposite conclusion.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Fascinating to me. Fascinating
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Um okay.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So we got a lot to get to, a lot
to get to, including the greatest roast of all time
has given us a ton a ton of fodder. But
we have some big news, which you have heard. You're
on Fox Sports Radio that tonight game two of the
(01:00):
Western Conference semi finals between the Wolves and the Nuggets.
Rudy Gobert is out with for personal reasons. Personal reasons. Now, look,
I completely understand that when you say personal reasons, we
sit there and go like, hey, listen, it's personal it's
got to be super bad. That's why he's got to
(01:22):
not do it. But man, he's not available. I don't
get it. What could possibly and out there he was
known they were expecting a baby in the postseason. So
the guess is something's wrong with mama, and I understand,
(01:45):
But man, that's a hard one. Am I callous to
think you go play basketball? It's hard because right you
need to learn And this is something that those of
us who learned through marriages and having kids, is that
issues with babies. You absolutely everyone everyone says, go go, go, go,
(02:07):
just go, spend as much time as you can. But
you got a one game to none series lead. I
guess you stole home court advantage, so mission accomplished. But
it is also one of those things where you sit
there and go like, Okay, I mean, you missed this one,
but does it make it any better if you play
(02:27):
the next one. It's a really hard one because we
don't know, and it's not really our jobs, it's not
in our purview to go and find out. My guess
is that's probably gotta be like that's the only viable
explanation that everybody goes, Look, dude, I get it. Just
(02:51):
take as much time as you need. But it's a
very twenty twenty four thing, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And here's why I say that.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I have.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I can't recall another athlete ever missing a game of
this magnitude. And women have had babies for well the
entirety of human existence. So if that's the issue, is
(03:29):
something's up with baby and mama, I understand, I actually
really really understand. On the other hand, does that mean
that previously we were the Anserthals and we didn't care?
Does this mean that he's he's it's it's too much
of an emotional involvement or is it somewhere in the middle, Jase,
(03:50):
do what you think, Bud? I mean, you have a
you have a young man who's a son. Obviously it's
not a baby, but you've been through it. I have three.
We had two that were in the nickqueu for two months.
My son who's now fifteen, he was in the niqu
for a couple of days. And you know, to this day,
(04:12):
I've never I still get the I still get the
business over the fact that I worked on the day
that he was born. It was a you know, planned
sinesarean section and that was first thing in the morning,
but it was the first day of the NCAA tournament.
I was at ESPN at the time. I felt like
my job was done there. I was there and held
(04:33):
him and then at some point in the middle of
the day had to go to work. Jacetu, where are
you on the personal reasons for to Gobert.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
We've had this discussion many times on the air, and
I remember the last time we had it was it
was like an epidemic a year ago at the Dodgers.
I mean maybe Ilill knows the exact number, but there
was like eight Dodgers on the twenty five man rasha
that had kids during the season, and with each one
I would go on Twitter and be like, you know,
it used to be where you time the pregnancies for
(05:03):
the off season. I remember Tommy Lesorda went on a
massive rant in the late nineties about this, that that
if you if if your wife or a girlfriend that
you knocked up has a baby during the season, that's
that's on her. So and uh so it's a totally
different generation thing. This is a millennial gen Z thing,
and it's completely changed. You and I think have a
(05:25):
totally different experience on.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
This This is from the Player's Tribune. A day ago, Okay,
one day ago, Rudy Gobert shared a message for the
younger generation. I wish every I wish for everyone on
this planet to have something in their life that they
give everything to, all their passion, all their heart and emotion,
the way the way I pour my soul into the
(05:47):
game of basketball. I hope kids watch the video. They
can see how passionate I am on their on their
screen is someone that's fighting for his dreams. No one
should be afraid to fail, especially kids. Showing your emotions.
It's not weakness, it's just real. That's the message I
wish we'd tell kids. I see how toxic it is
for kids now on social media. It's relentless. If you're
(06:10):
a teenager, you grow up in the world right now,
you need the truth, not a fairy tale. And the
truth is there's gonna be a lot of s that
is gonna happen in your life. That's gonna be tested.
You're gonna have to give months in your life when
the easiest thing to do is to staff. I've done
it myself. I'm not perfect. I've made my share of mistakes,
but I have my If I have any wisdom that
(06:31):
I can share from working on myself the past few years,
it would be this. A lot of satisfaction can come
from being yourself, even when you know that some people
will make fun of you for it. To me, the
highest form of strength is when you stay true to yourself,
even in the world that will mock you for it.
That's when you show your true colors. I love that statement,
(06:52):
but you know, twenty four hours later, it's like, yeah,
I can't play coach. Personal reasons on the other hand,
like if you've had kids, or you've had a wife
that has they're all different sorts of issues within pregnancy.
There are you know, there are miscarriages that happen a lot.
(07:13):
You know, there's just all kinds of things that can
scare you, you know, where they can go and fear
that that the baby's gonna come too early. There's something
wrong with all those things and some of these things.
Just so you want, just so people understand, I'm not
going to poach Buyer for his information. He's a beautiful
young boy, Brodi who's just turned three, right, But I
(07:36):
would guess that there it wasn't it's never been all
roses for any of us. And I do, I do
understand that you have to people that you care about,
You have to show that you care about them and
step away at times from your work. But if all
your passion and heart and everything go into basketball, man
(07:59):
your significant other, I don't know. This one's a hard
one for me. Well, so like I don't want to
be critical, but like again, and part of it is,
I don't know. I'm just I'm assuming because that's kind
of the only reason that you would miss a game
of this night.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
So with that qualifier, that's a great qualifier unless something's wrong,
unless there's a health reason, negative health reason. If you
just take it as he's missing a playoff game to
be a first time father, it is his first and
I think that there are differences I think people make
that make that difference anyways, So based on that, is
(08:36):
it worth missing a playoff game for? And I think
that his generation and the generation after his gen z,
I think there's no question about it. You miss the game,
you miss whatever you have. When we grew up that
there was much more of a nuanced conversation there.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Let's say, let me paint a picture okay, if something's wrong,
I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I do.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I get it, and I think, I think you I'm
I don't want to say I'm okay with it, but
I because it's not really my choice, but I do understand.
And most women, most especially you're married to or you're
you know, you're guy's a professional athlete, and you know
(09:25):
she's telling him just go, just go. I'll be fine.
I'll be fine. She probably won't be fine, So you know,
stay longer than you should. But if it's gonna be
there for the birth of his first kid, I mean
the games tonight. You can't speed that thing up or
slow that thing down. You know, it's it's not a
huge it's not that small of a it's not that
(09:47):
big of a window. So yeah, I'm and look of
the of the moments in my life. Holding your child
for the first time is a top tenor top tenor
and the first time you have them, it's the second
(10:09):
time is actually way better, to be honest with you, like,
and part of it was they were the first time
it was super early, and so there was a lot
of fear. And I'd never been in an er before
and never seen acessarean section before the second time I
watched the whole thing, like Hays came out, Like I
watched everything.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I thought it was so cool.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I wasn't queasy in anyway. I was like, man, that's amazing. Hey,
you left a rag. You guys do the count you
left right? But I.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's very much like again, the point you made at
the end is the point that I was kind of making,
Like I understand that we are a much more this
is a much more sensitive and understanding generation and we
say just go, just go. But isn't it weird that
none of this seemed to ever happen in our lifetime
to athletes who had kids. They've all had they all
(11:02):
have children, I know because they're all playing now, and
yet nobody missed a playoff came for it. So I
don't know, there is something really cool too, like when
you if you're playing and then yeah, you're you just
had a baby and you can do it kind of
like when they get older, Hey, this is what I
(11:23):
did the day in which you were born.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
So I mean, this just came up with the Scottish
shuffer thing, and there was zero doubt that he was
going to miss it. It wasn't even a conversation. If
she is going to give birth to my child tomorrow,
I'm missing it. And there wasn't even a conversation about
That's what was interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, yeah, I just it's one of those things to
where you go uh uh uh Okay, this is from
our I have a we have a Timberwolves insider who
said Rudy's girlfriend is about to get birth. No issues
are believed to be with the birth. I don't know, man,
(12:07):
that's a hard one game two of the playhoffs. These
things can be sped up. So here here's a question.
How long after you have the baby do you have
to stay at the hospital?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
What do you guys think you have to?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, I mean it's like, okay, say she has the baby,
Like right now, right, you hold the baby, She's good,
everything's good. Do you have to stay that night? Or
can I can? I? I mean I was gonna go
out and grab a sandwich anyway, Like, while I'm grabbing
a sandwich, what if I went and played a game
and then came back and I brought you the sandwich?
Would that be Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That's just a thought.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'm probably the worst guy to ask on this one
because I would probably I'd go hoop, you know, I'd
probably go hoop. By the way, this is a Mike
and Norri who's the acting Timberwolves head coach, right, which
is this is a I thought he was awesome. Do
you guys see him at the dais after they won
game one? You know, Chris Finch is the head coach,
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but he had Petell attendon surgery because Mike Conley ran
into him in the elimination game against the Sun and
he set his sons and he said, yeah, the plays
that worked I called. The plays that didn't work he called.
But here's Norrey talking about the ant man's performance in
game one.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
The other thing I will say that's a credit to
Ant more so is he's always had the ability, but
now he's trusting teammates and I don't you know, I
know that sounds cliches, but at the end of the day,
he's willing to get off of it and then get
it back and attack and find his spots and then
obviously see the maturity of the down the fourth quarter
of the stretch that he did.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, I think he did show in a tremendous amount
of maturity do you guys see that Anthony Edwards said,
please stop comparing me to Michael Jordan, like he's the
greatest of all time. Don't compare me, which which is
going to cause us to compare more. Plus there's the
facial features, which there's some kind of similarities there, man, Anthony.
(14:08):
The story of the Playoffs to me has been Luca
and Anthony Edwards. Here's Mike Conley, who's the old head
everybody likes. Hard to find an enemy, Mike Conley having
an enemy. Talk about Anthony edwards performance as far as.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Just really proud of the way he's he's accepted the
kind of growth that he needed to needed to have
to be where he's at right now, because a lot
of that has to do with him understanding the game better,
understanding how to you know, play playoff his teammates when things,
you know, when they're double them and making it tougher
on him, He's able to make it make our life easier,
trusting us, and it's not easy for you know, twenty
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two twenty two, twenty three year old to make that
adjustment so quickly.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
So twenty two twenty two, So he's learning, so keep
it up.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yes, twenty two years old, dominating the NBA playoffs. Inditionally,
how these series go is the most vulnerable. The favorite
is ever going to be is in Game one at home.
And you know there is the old adage that a
playoff series doesn't begin until the road team wins its game. Well,
(15:16):
the road team won, but now, no Rudy Gobert, it's
game two. The expectations are the Nuggets to win. Let's
see what happens tonight.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
This is the best of the Doug dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Nothing is soft and sensitive as fake tough guys, right,
that's NFL guys. NFL guys are so soft and sensitive. Okay,
So by now I again, and I understand I'm violating
in one of the core principles of what we try
and do on the Doug Gottlieb Show, which is talk
(15:53):
about the freshest, hottest stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Right, I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
The Austin Rivers thing was a couple of days ago,
but everybody still talking about it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Keep in mind, this is James Jones yesterday on Fox
Sports one on Speak.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Let's just get this straight.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Number one.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
They put in a flop roll in the NBA because
you guys are soft. Oh see, now you I started
a trend of rest games. That's what y'all started.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And now y'all want extra.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Votes and all that type stuff to win the MVP
because you only play twenty two games out of eighty two.
Y'all started that, So y'all all start number two. You said,
thirty dudes. If you would have said one dude, maybe
Anthony Edwards could play safety or something, o't have listened
to you or something like that. You said, thirty dudes, No,
Number one, put respect on our sports. That's number one.
(16:43):
It is not just run and catch the ball and
turn around. It ain't just hand the ball off and
do that. It takes a lot of work at your
craft to do what we do on the football field
and Austin Rivers. If you stepped on the football field,
home boy, you wouldn't make it. We know that right
now because you barely made it in the NBA. And
I'm just keeping it buck. I'm football is not an
easy game, dog. That's why a lot of football players
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basketball players that stepped on the football field step right
back on the basketball court because it's not an easy game.
It's a lot that goes in to the NFL, and
you're not about to walk into the NFL and think
you're just about to catch and turn around. Try again,
home boy, do your research on the NFL. Man, watch
some football games, old games, new games, whatever you want
to watch, and catch up on a man, because thirty
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dudes in the NFL in the NBA, and boy.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay, I played basketball against Jame Jones's actually pretty good.
But the problem is that James Jones, in order to
play like he'd want to play like at a high
level in the NBA, he's too small. He actually made
Austin Rivers point for him by saying, ah, you want
to tell me, Anthony Edwards, one guy, Okay, go through
the teams, you know, give me a team. I'll tell
(17:50):
you there's a guy. There's thirty teams. He's talking about
one guy on a fifteen guy roster. All the NFL
players want to be NBA players.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
They do.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
The problem is most of them too small to be
NBA players based upon their skill set, very very few. Right,
Whereas I could go through an NBA roster, right, I
mean Oklahoma City thunder Keyante Johnson or Jaylen Williams probably could.
(18:21):
The Dallas mavericks o max prosper like dude six seven,
two thirty freak athlete. Yeah, that dogged hunt, you know. Heck,
look at the Knicks og Maybe Josh Hart, Like you
mean tell me Josh Hart come play football? He's scared
of contact. Oh yeah, by the way, they put in
a flop role. What's the NFL done recently? How tough
(18:42):
is the NFL? No more to a days limited contact
in practice? And oh yeah, by the way, like all
of the nasty jacked up shots from our childhood are gone.
Can't hit quarterbacks below the knee, above the neck? Everything's
a flag? Like, what are you talking about? This is
a societal move, not just a basketball move. Thirty a
(19:06):
bit ambitious, but the idea of one guy per roster.
He's much more right than he is wrong. Let's bring
in John Mentlkoff, who used to be a scout in
the nash Football League. John, I ask you because I
have a friend who's a GM who has asked me
every year, Hey, when you go to a basketball game,
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find me one per game. And he's like, look, there
is in addition to the requisite size, speed, skill, overall
athletic traits, the other part you need is to have
played football growing up, because you can't just never play
football before. There is technique to it, and even that
it's going to take a lot of work, but it
could happen. What are your thoughts on the discussion.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Well, I think there are a lot of different variables here.
If you just look, and I'm with you, the NFL
guys could not transition to the NBA, right, I mean
Trent Williams one of the biggest players in the NFL,
he's like six ' five. Raymond's like one of the
smallest bigs in the NBA history. He's like six five
and a half, right, sixty six.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
So the size.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Element, I mean Steph Curry would be the size of
the majority of guys in the NFL, and he's sixty
three and he's one of the smaller guys in the NBA.
But I think when you look at the NFL stuff,
obviously there are a ton of guys. You know, some
of these guys are too tall. We all know that,
but any guy from you know, I would say six
feet to six five sixty six. You know, you watch
(20:30):
Tyreek mac Fee or some of Russell Westbrook in his prime.
Obviously their athleticism is NFL Like NFL teams if they
like quit and the you know, when they were twenty
three and wanted to play football, every NFL team would
work them out. Yep, Chris Long had a really good rant.
I think if these guys played in even if they
didn't play in high school, they went out, yeah, and
started playing college and got used to the mentality of
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you know, in basketball, show up to shoot around and
if you're a star, you'redn't have to show up. You
played the game. In football, it's the grind. The training
camp is obviously a lot different than two days, but
it's still eight am to nine pm for thirty five
straight days, and then once the season starts, it's basically
a six day week work week, one day off, and
you play the game. So the culture and the difference,
(21:16):
like you know, pat Riley, who gave he gives the
best press conference of the year. Everyone's a god. Can
you believe what he said? Again, that's like an NFL
press conference from every coach on Monday. So the way
that the culture of getting yelled at and coach hard
is dramatically different, at least for the star players, I mean,
young guys still get yelled at by coaches in basketball,
but the physical toughness, you just wouldn't know if they
(21:39):
liked it, if they would grind until they did it. Obviously,
Like you can't watch Jalen Brunston and go that guy
doesn't have an NFL body.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
He probably doesn't have NFL speed. Like I would say
more Josh Hart and the right like.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Mac Max Max. They would be a guy that jumped
out to me just moving around like Jesus.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I I struggle with the guards because you know, like
what it's position dependent and I do think, look, there's
a ton of there's a ton of technique that goes
into like wide receiver right like people like and those
guys are absolute freaks, so there's very few positions that
they can play like That's why people think tight end.
Although the problem is there's a lot of technique in
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blocking that you can't just pick up right and with
the exception of like if you're Travis Kelcey, you can't
you know, you got to be a block. But I
mean obviously like Antonio Gates, I mean it was a
mid major big guy. I think there's a ton of
them in college basketball where you see a kid warming
up and you're like, hey, Bud, you should probably go
to the other side of the street.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
I think there are more. I think there are more
in college basketball that could easily transition the undersize big
it's like six three.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I don't want to say.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
The only word I would get away from is the
easily transition. I don't think it's easy, but I think
it could happen.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
When I say easily transition, I would say it's See.
The other thing that is part of the argument is
just dumb because it doesn't exist. Is you know, when
you were in the weight room and the football guys
were in the weight room, you lift different, so their
body types by the time they're twenty five. I heard
Coward say this, and he's right. Remember the visual of
Michael Jordan like in his heyday at ninety four standing
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next to like Barry Bonds, he was sid and a
lot of basketball players because they're not lifting. If you
go to an NFL practice, these guys are so much
thicker because of the way they've been lifting squat deadlifts
from really the moment I U, I mean got on the.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Call it time, okay, but but like I got like
Zion Williamson. His body is a football.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Body, but he's just a rare bot.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Again, I got I got it, I got it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Listen, I just watched lou Dowrton In persons an NFL body, Dion.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Would be a good cool Zion would be a good
uh yeah. For example of like, wouldn't we question like
you know, I would say toughness, battling through mental toughness
obviously athleticisms there and the just natural adiity to carry
three hundred like it's no problem. Yeah, the guy a
football player, right, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I mean, you look a defensive end where all you
do is, you know, you got to learn technique. All
you gotta do is go get up to the quarterback
with that level.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Or here's what I know. If Zion quit the NBA tomorrow,
it's like I want to go to the NFL thirty
two teams, work them out, correct, correct, and someone.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Will find correct And there is not I don't believe
there's an NBA player that would have the same opportunity
an NFL player that would have the same opportunity the NBA.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
That's kind of a fall, Like did you see the
clip of like t Higgins playing basketball. These guys are
just like the difference of six y three like Tyreek.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Like Tyreek Hill could be an unbelievable defensive player, unbelievable,
but he's tiny and the requisite skill is too hard
to catch up. They look like they're dribbling with their elbows, right,
It's just there's too much skill with a ball in
your hands. It's a it's a very different kind of athleticism.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Nate Robinson was a guy that did both right and
look at and look at.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
His body type again, he's a freak. He's an absolute freak.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And uh and probably should have played football, might have
had a longer I picked and you know.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
This, the football guys get really offended, yes, because it's
part about the toughness, but part about like, you guys
make all this money and half you guys sit out
games or do anything like that's not it's just not allowed.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I got I got it. But it is.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It is hilarious right that, whether they wanted it or not,
the NFL has been made way softer in their practice.
How much time they can you know, how much time
they can practice for sure? Yeah, so they're going like man,
we're way tougher, Like that's funny because you don't have
two days anymore. You can't hit certain days, right, you're
off week, you can't even come in to the office
for a certain amount of time. And then during during
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games like the other part I've always thought, I've always
said this about Lebron James, people like Lebron James wouldn't
want to get hit going over the middle. Nobody wants
to get hit going over the middle. Nobody sits there
and goes like, man, I can I woke up today
thinking I was gonna get ear hold, right, nobody wants
that period stop the The one thing I would I
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would agree with NFL players is it's very hard to
play a defensive position because people think that there's a
skill to learning how to hit people, you know, and
if you haven't done that for a long time, everyone thinks, well,
then I'll just play defense so I don't get hit, Like, yeah,
there's a lot lot more skill in that than you think.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
Well, I think there's a there's a level of like
think about some of the extra Travis Thestraan or some
of the skiers, like how do you just pull the
trigger on leaping over that. It's kind of like that
in football. I mean, anyone that played high school football
and knows the first time you put on pads you
just kind of got it. You either got it or
you don't. And that's that's the thing that separates guys
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pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So that's that's a great point. This is this is
I'm going to give up a h what's it a PS?
What's a personal service? What's an announcement? When a P
s A okay, a public service announcement. I understand that
brain docs will tell you, like, don't have your kid
play football, and so they're fourteen, right, that's the big
thing to doan play tackle football, so they're fourteen. I disagree,
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and I'm telling you from personal experience, I want my
kid playing at like ten, which he did, because I
want him to get hit at ten and if he
comes to practice the next day after getting hit, if
he puts on his helmet shoulder pads and says, I'm
going for again, Okay, you can play football. If not,
you don't want to do it, that's fine, okay, but
you don't want that to happen when they're fourteen, because
(27:25):
in the fourteen they get hit by a grown ass
man and that can actually do some damage to you,
whereas when they're ten, you really can't. That's my person,
that's my that's my PSA. I'm trying to think there's
anything football wise on I other than that. I think
that's just that's such an awesome discussion, truly a truly
amazing discussion.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
I think a lot of guys, like the rookie mini
camps are going on this week, oh yeah, yeah, n
OTAs and all that stuff. I think a lot of
NBA guys you know that in it in the size
range we talked about, would look fantastic. You just never know.
The thing was like in basketball or even baseball, you
could see a guy stimulated a b hitting off a
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guy throwing ninety five, like, oh there's something there, or basketball,
watch a guy work out in football. And I've gone
to these OTAs for fifteen years, even back to college.
Like you get some young guys with shorts and T shirts.
It's just the sport is only the sport when the
pads are on, and you can't figure anything out until then,
and even then sometimes it takes some time getting used to,
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so they're just more unknown. I would say in football.
It's just it's kind of unique that way.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
I do have one. Kirk Cousins is mythed. Does it matter.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
When you take the most money possible and you're willing
to go whatever as you move around in your professional career,
I would say any team sport, you just don't have
as much equity. So, like, I don't feel batter for him,
Like he goes there, they're not the money is his power.
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He's not getting the keys of the castle. And in
the terms of they're going to do everything, we can
argue till we're blue in the face. It was a
dumb move, so they take the defensive guy. But like
I think it's a risky move from the personnel standpoint
of just making it weird. But I don't feel bad
for Kirk Cousins at all. So, like I understand the
human being, Like, why didn't we just use that pick
(29:26):
on a defensive guy. We had not a very good
defense last year, especially when it came to turnovers, and
we have no path rush. There's pass rushers on the board.
But like, I'm not losing sleep if I'm in the
Atlanta Falcons front office. Then Kirk Cousins is mad because
the other thing is part of the reason we sign him.
My character guy, Like, what are you gonna do come
in and act like an a hole to him? Like
he's not going to do that. So it's just it
(29:48):
kind of is what it is. At the end of
the day. It's like, hey, bro, we paid you forty
five million to be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Yeah, but gets back to he's not he's not gonna
be at OTAs because he'll be there, but he can't
really practice probably yet because of the way. So all
of the sudden panics is out there, like it was
always gonna be weird because of this situation.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
John Mittlecoff three and now it's the podcast make sure
you wear your hat correctly? I will.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
Well, guys, we don't follow the same rules.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
What do you mean?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I mean we just you guys have there. You know what,
if we haven't shaved our head, it looks funny. We
have different rules. We can do whatever we want with it.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh, you can wear your hat backwards.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I can't yet I do sometimes I actually.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Think Colin's missing it. Okay, the hat on top of
the head is the worst look. With the hair in
front showing is the worst look humanly possible. Nobody takes
you serious, so you look like a dip dip Wood.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, you just do. John Mittlecoff, Thanks Johnny.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
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you got Jay stew and Iowa Sam Welcome in, Welcome,
Welcome in. I do have some thoughts on the WNBA
doing copying Nascar and hockey, making the same mistakes that
others have made.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We'll get to that. Hmm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Also have some thoughts on Dallas beating Oklahoma City after
looking like Oklahoma City was unbeatable. Same thing is true
with the Celtics. I have some advice for people when
they're buying houses, and it's the same as when you're
trying to pick series. I was having this conversation with
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my son the other day. He was like, when you
buy a house, like, what do you look for? I
was like, well, there's a lot of different things, you know, people,
I mean, budget obviously is an issue, but do you
want to live in town do you want to live
in the suburbs? Do you want to live in the country.
Do you want to live you know, town home style.
(32:33):
Do you want to live in a house. Do you
want to have a pool? Do you want to not
have a pool? Do you want to live in a
cul de sac?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
What are the comps? Do you want to redo a
house or do you want brand new? Like, there's all
these different things and that shows up in value. I said,
But the once you determine about what you're looking for,
the number one thing I would recommend to you is
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go back a second time. Go back a second time.
When you go in and see a house for the
first time, you look at all the positives. How do
you look open kitchen concept? Honey Look, they got a
steam shower. You know people talk to like their significant other. Ooh, babe,
(33:22):
ooh babe, babe. Look ooh we've been this one. You
know it has a dining area, but not a dining
room because formal dining rooms you use what twice a year?
Talk about a waste of space? Who wants to waste space? Ooh,
(33:44):
this one's on suite. Ooh, this one has a playroom. Ooh,
this one's yards perfect. I always tell people that have kids, right,
go to the house that you want to buy at
like five in the app afternoon, Right, what's it look
like when the kids are there? When the kids are there,
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that's when you know, hey, there's kids playing outside. Because
everybody drives into a cul de sac and there's hoops
in the cold attack and you're like, there's kids here.
But sometimes you go to these streets and there's hopes
there and the kids never come out. I remember we
first moved to an area. I definitely know Jay stew
will know what town I'm thinking of, but I'm not
going to sell it out. And we were in Connecticut,
(34:33):
and I love Connecticut. Anyone who wants to say something
bad about Connecticut, you know during your time at ESPN
there either they didn't have the money to live somewhere nice,
which is possible, although there are plenty of areas that
aren't terribly expensive that are really nice. Or two they're
just kind of full of it. And yeah, winter it
can be long. But wonderful schools, wonderful people. Not all
(34:54):
of them are wonderful people, but plenty. There's the bags everywhere, right,
But we moved and when we looked at this place,
we're like man family area, cul de sac kids. And
then the entire time, literally the entire time we lived
(35:18):
in that house, one kid came outside. Because the type
of area we were in, the people that lived there,
their kids were inside, learned to play the piano, they
were doing family things. It just wasn't an area where
kids were out playing. And had we come back in
the afternoon when we saw the house, we would have learned.
(35:41):
I was in California for two years. We moved back
to trying to look at New York and Connecticut, and
I walked into this one house in armonk New York,
and it actually backed up to like a interstate, but
it was like five acres and there was like a
pool and then a drop off in all this undeveloped
(36:02):
land that it had paths on it and it could
have been like a kid utopian.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Why is this still on the market? And it was
partially redone, but like you can redo the other stuff.
And I walked in. The kitchen was cool, and I'm like, man,
this is awesome. Let's come back and see it tomorrow.
Went back and saw tomorrow and I was like, why
is the garage detached? And then I realized that the
kitchen was where the garage used to be. And while
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it was a brand new kitchen, when you have little kids,
you want the kitchen to be one where you can
see the pool, and two where the kids can come in,
and that wasn't I was designed. The point is always
see something a second time, and the NBA teaches you
that more than anything. I mean, you watched last night,
(36:47):
if you watched Game one, you were like, there is
no chance in hell that the Cleveland Cavaliers can be
competitive at all with the Boston Selters.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Correct, who would have thought?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
And if you watch like Luca looks exhausted, he looks injured,
and the Mavericks are kind of a one trick pony
and then Kyrie tries to go one on one and
then they fire up a bunch of threes and they
have no interior scoring. And wow, the Thunder because no
Maxi Kleeber and the Thunder are awesome at home, and
(37:19):
the Thunder are really like the Kansas City Chiefs of
the NFL, I mean the Kansasy Chiefs of the NBA,
because they have a college like atmosphere in the pros
Chiefs have always had that with Arrowhead. But the second
time round you start to this is what you do.
You pick apart the negatives. And again, it doesn't mean
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the second time through you don't buy the house. It
doesn't mean with the second game you don't think the
Celtics are still gonna win. But man, you start to
see some negatives the second time round, don't you. The
first time you go in you're like, oh my god, kitchen, yard, house, whah,
And the second time you're like, you know these floors,
(38:00):
I don't actually like them. You know this setup doesn't
totally work for us. I mean Dan can tell you
right like when you have a baby, there's specific things
that you need right and now, when he has a toddler,
and I don't know if three is still a toddler,
but I think it's still a toddler. Now you have
(38:21):
a toddler, right, Okay, Well, you want proximity to mommy
and daddy's room. On the other hand, you don't want
it right next to mommy daddysroom because mommy Daddy want
to be mommy daddy sometimes. And then if you have you,
you want the Jack and Jill. But what if you
have a boy or girl? Right do you want that?
It's not that big a deal. But when they get older,
to get to be teenagers, then it becomes a big deal.
(38:45):
The point is that what you learned last night, or
you should have learned last night, is that the second
time through is truly telling, truly truly telling. Here's Celtics
head coach Jill Missoula after the Celtics loss at home.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I mean, it's a playoff series playing against a really
good team with really good players, well coached. So yeah,
I expected to, like you said before, it takes for
to take, so expected to be difficult.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I thought they did a good job. Obviously, their ball
pressure was better, their pickup points were higher, and I
thought they did a better job kind of like closing
out into our bodies, making it seem like we were
open and putting us in decision as whether we should
shoot it or drive it. And when we did drive it,
they did a good job collapsing and making us make
the two on one reads, which they got some deflections
on that. And I thought Mobley did a better job
protecting the paint.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, they made adjustments. Evan Mobley did a great job
of protecting the rim, just like by the way the
Dallas Mavericks. And some bit was because of foul trouble
in game one, but some of it was, you know,
a much more discipline approach in defending the rim and
walling up the three point shooters and Chase Gildos Alexander
had a great game, but they didn't hit the volume
(39:59):
of threes. And in game one, Luca tried to do
too much, Kyrie tried to do too much, and they
couldn't hit the roller. Well, the reason you couldn't hit
the roller was Oklahoma City was making sure they would
tag the orler. You guys know what tagging the roller is.
I want to visualize something for you. Tagging the roller
(40:21):
is when you set a pick and roll, somebody has
to from the weak side, has to just be there
and all you have to do is bump them once
and then you recover back to your man. It's called
tagging them. But when you tag the roller, the shooter
in the weak side corner is wide open. Did you
notice where PJ. Washington got all his threes in the
first half when he had five of them weak side corner?
(40:44):
So a lot of it was adjustments and then you'll
see adjustments to adjustments. But the biggest point is that
the second time around, the flaws become apparent. It doesn't
mean you don't buy the house. It just means you
have a much clearer vision of what the house is.
It doesn't mean the Celtics aren't going to win, but
(41:05):
you have a much clear vision. By the way, the Celtics,
I don't think they win a title unless they get
Christos Ferzingis back. He brings a different dynamic that they're missing.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
It's not that al Horford can't make threes, but who's
behind al Horford? And al Horford's a little bit long
in the tooth and there are certain things that al
Horford can do, like defend the rim the way that
Christas Ferzingis can and oh yeah, by the way, the
Cleveland Cavaliers are allowed to adjust, and they did. You know,
Daniel Gafford not in foul trouble, although he did hurt
his hand, look like he broke his hand in game two,
(41:39):
you know, and Derek Lively defended the rim, protected the rim,
and they did a great job of walling off the
three point shots and some some rotations I don't really
understand for either the losing teams. But the NBA has
this rare ability, or I'd like to think it's rare,
(42:00):
you know, in the NFL that week to week the league,
the teams can look completely different. This is game to game,
but the games are only one day in between, and
it's against the same team. But isn't that just an
amazing thing that you can watch a game in game
one and come to the conclusions and then after game
two come to complete and total opposite conclusion.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Fascinating to me. Fascinating
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