3 & Out - Bears in win-now mode, Rookie of the Year, Davante Adams speaks out - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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start with the Bears, some big stuff, just in terms

(01:49):
of Caleb's the heavy favorite for Offensive Rookie of the Year.
They're over under now is basically favored to win nine
plus games. I just want to talk about the pressure
in the guy, definitely under the most when it comes
their top guys, quarterback GM and coach Bo Knicks. Looking
at the offensive Rookie of the Year odds, I think

(02:11):
I wonder if people are sleeping on the seamless transition
that it could be for him and Sean Payton. Not
saying the Broncos are going to be good, but just
him specifically and ultimately kind of what he's replacing. I
listened to Crosby and DeVante Adams. Max had him on
his podcast a couple of things really jumped out, and
I think, obviously a big picture, how lucky you have

(02:33):
to be with a quarterback, especially one that you don't
draft in the top two or three picks. And then
something else, just about those guys, Travis Kelcey just signed
a contract, and just the players these teams are looking for,
and the wiring and just their overall dedication to the craft.
They will fly around some other news and notes, the

(02:55):
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I've been saying this for a while because the hype,
and rightfully so, is pretty outrageous. Right that they finished
the season strong, Their defense was playing well, the Sweat
trade aged pretty well. He was an immediate impact player.
Jalen Johnson became I don't want to say like a superstar,

(05:26):
but a super high end corner Fresno kid always a
reform and Ryan Poles, I think universally is considered like
a really good GM now just had an elite twelve
month stretch. Said this to Colin. I've said this on
this podcast. Say it to anyone I talked to the
trade he made for the Panthers, Whether Caleb works out

(05:47):
or not has to be one of the great fleet
jobs in league history. Just the value alone in that trade.
Let alone, if this trade works out, if Dj Moore
continues to be high end player for them and Caleb
Williams just becomes a top twelve quarterback. It was it
was highway robbery. It was a little Tonza heist. I

(06:08):
mean that's what it was. It turned the other franchise
into shambles. I mean, no one gets made fun of
more than the Panthers, and no one gets more credit.
And that's what happens when you have a crazy lopsided deal.
So you look at the franchise, you go, well, Bears
trajectory high. Caleb gonna be the starting quarterback. I mean,

(06:29):
at minimum, even if things go shitty for three and
a half, he's gonna get a long runway Ryan Poles.
He's getting a second coach. Here's the problem, we have
absolutely no clue none. If he reflues is good in
all the pressure, because it's how today the odds, for
the first time in a long time, the Chicago Bears

(06:52):
over under is eight and a half and the under
is like minus one forty, So they are favored to
have an above five hundred record, and that's just from
a gambling standpoint. I just think if you talk to
random people, I'm not even talking Bears fans, you oh yeah,
I think the Bears would be pretty good. They have
not had that type hype in a long long time,
probably since the Khalil Mack trade and when Mitch was

(07:14):
kind of an unknown. Well, now let's face it, we
think this team is better because clearly, even if you
were high on miss Trubisky, your views on Caleb Williams
are gonna be much higher. Well, they have a coach
who is not some established, big name guy who's coaching
for his job. Now you can say it's the NFL.
Most coaches besides like the top six or seven are

(07:36):
coaching for their job. But this guy, you could see
a scenario if they missed the playoffs and win eight
games and even if in some some tight losses they
look really good. He is not the coach moving forward.
And the big theme right now, I heard Slareth with
Coward and he's like. One thing Steve Young used to
hammer home all the time is it can be difficult

(07:58):
for a young quarterback playing with a defensive coach, especially
a highly touted guy, and Colin's the big thing always
is like hire the offensive head coach. Now, obviously there
are good head coaches that aren't the offensive play caller,
but if we did a coaching draft, we all know
the majority of guys going in the top five are
head coaches that call the place. I mean three of

(08:19):
the top five guys for sure would be Andy, Kyle
and Sean McVay in some order. Andy would clearly go one,
and then there'd be the hard boss, and you know
guys like that fighting and even Jim, despite being viewed
as like an offensive lineman defensive guy, is a former quarterback.
So you look at the situation and everyone is really

(08:39):
high on it, and everyone's anointing these guys, and listen,
I'm no different. I like this team, but I've been
around football long enough now. I've been going to training
camps and been around operations from watching Andy Reid and
Harbaugh coach two guys like Jim tom Sula and Chip
Kelly when he was with the forty nine ers, and
Dennis Allen. So who your head coach is very important.

(09:01):
We all know that this is not like breaking news here,
but the pressure that's gonna be felt on this team.
Like Caleb as pressure, sure, but he's kind of on scholarship.
Ryan Poles has pressure, sure, he ain't getting fired. There's
only one guy who truly has winner, you're fucked pressure,
and that's Matty Eberflus, And you know he's redone. His

(09:23):
image seems like a good guy, obviously a solid defensive coach,
but it's about winning this year. And I think if
I went to everyone that's listening right now in Chicago
Bears fan, you'd say probably anything under ten wins would
be a disappointment. Well, who's to say this guy has
that capability? Not because your roster talent isn't there. But
we all know roster talent doesn't equal wins always in

(09:48):
the NFL. Over the course of us. It might win
you an individual game, but it doesn't lock you into
a ten and seven record, just like good coaching can overcome.
I thought Brian dave Ball a couple of years ago
had one of the great coaching years in recent because
I didn't think their team was any good and they
made the playoffs and won a playoff game. The other
thing the Bears have to deal with is the division

(10:08):
is really, really good. I mean, the Lions roster is loaded.
They didn't lose any coaches and they didn't lose any players.
That matter. The Packers, everyone's kind of anointing them, and
I'm probably guilty of this too. Now Jordan Love's gonna
have to prove it again, but I think we can
all agree probably gonna be pretty good because as all
of us learned that short at the Packers last year

(10:30):
is like they kind of know what they're doing when
it comes to quarterbacks, and we know their roster and
the way they draft is always solid. So if Jordan Love,
he doesn't even have to have some of the outrageous games,
if he's just a top fifteen quarterback, they're gonna win.
Why because their coach is proven to win constantly, whether
it's Jordan Love or Aaron Rodgers, and even Kevin O'Connell.

(10:50):
I mean he had Kirk Cousins by four having the
best year of his career. I mean there were moments
last year, especially that final month before heard his achilles,
he was like a top five quarterback in the NFL.
And we know how much talent they have on their roster.
So I think that the divisional difficulties I also looked
at their schedule. They play the forty nine ers, they

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play the Rams, they play the Houston Texans, they play
the Indianapolis Colts, even the Jags, who you know, I
think should be at least a little more feisty than
last year. Like that's a tough game. That AFC South
Division is not as easy as it's been. We know
how much talent Seattle has on their roster. The Cardinals

(11:33):
definitely have more talent this year than last year. And
we saw last year when Kyler came back, like they're
a mother to deal with. Even if the Cardinals are
a six win team, you get Kyler on the right day,
he can be a major problem for anybody. So this
this bears hype, and I get it has one guy
circled because if it doesn't go well, you know who's

(11:54):
gonna get thrown overboard. Looking at those offensive Rookie of
the Year odds, obviously Caleb is the heavy favorite, I
mean heavy favorite, and it makes sense like Jaden Daniels
is going to be the immediate starter. If he has
a solid year, he's like six to one. Caleb's two
to one. Xavier Worthy right gets to go to the
Chiefs if he has, and I saw Andy saying everyone's

(12:16):
comparing him to Tyreek Hill, probably an unfair comparison. If
you've seen Tyreek Hill. He's built like a little running
back who happens to be able to run like a
three eight forty that there's not many body types and
players like him in NFL history. Honestly, you could argue
he's an all time outlier just his body type, his
receiving talents, and his speed. He's a one of one.

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Xavier Worthy is much closer to Sean Jackson. Now Toshawn Jackson,
you'd also say is somewhat of an outlier because we
haven't seen many guys of his size one hundred and
sixty five hundred and seventy pounds dominate that wide receiver. So,
but that's the comp that Andy made. And if you remember,
DeShawn Jackson hit the ground running. Now DeShawn Jackson probably
is a fifteen ish pick. Had a lot of question

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marks coming out of Cow and he's even talked about it.
When he got the draft day phone call from Andy Reid,
Andy basically told him like, none of that shit's gonna fly.
And there's like famous videos and famous like Eagle lore
that if you look on TV, if you YouTube when
Andy calls to Sean, Deshawn's face kind of because Andy's
kind of lightened into him. And this is before there
are a bunch of cameras in the draft room lightened

(13:24):
into him, like you're gonna come here. None of this
BS is gonna happen. And Deshaun went there and was
incredible early. So I get it. If he if he's
anywhere close to that, Xavier Worthy's gonna be a problem.
Last year, the Broncos were a joke for parts of
the season. I mean a joke. I mean they gave
up seventy points in an NFL game. I don't think

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we'll ever see that again. It's one of the most
gutless performances in NFL history. I think it's fair to say.
But by the end of the season they were kind
of just they were feisty, they were competitive, they were
an NFL team. I mean early on, it's like, Sean,
this is what are you doing here? When they benched
Russell Wilson. I looked at his numbers today. He had

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twenty six touchdowns and eight interceptions. Now, I don't remember
in recent like watching football where a guy's numbers and
watching him on TV didn't match. But if you're a
rookie and you have anywhere near twenty five touchdowns seven
to eight picks, like you're gonna be in the mix
even if your team goes seven to ten or eight

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to nine, which I think the Broncos are somewhat in
kind of that mix. But who's to say the Broncos
offense this season isn't better with bo Knicks, who, like
Michael Pennix or Caleb Williams is kind of a plug
and play player. Now how good they are, it's the
NFL who knows. But these are not need to sit

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on the bench and learn. This guy is ready to roll,
And what does he have going for a lot? Like
what JJ McCarthy is gonna have going for him in Minnesota,
or Patrick Mahomes had going for him when he went
to Andy Reid, or Brock Purty has going for him
when he goes to Kyle Shanahan. An offensive coach who
is the play caller. And we can criticize Sean Payton

(15:12):
and it's been weird. I don't blame him at all
for Russell Wilson at all. It would be the last
quarterback I'd want to deal with, especially as he's his
trajectories down. He's making all that money. I didn't sign
him with that money. He's saying a bunch of weird shit.
He's like, get out of here, bro now. Eating the
money sucks. But Sean Payton was asked about it the
owners meetings, like was it hard to make that decision?

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He said no, Before you could even blink, he had
made up his mind. Probably halfway through last season. This
guy going, so to me, bo Nicks, when you just
look at value and when you just step back from
a non gambling standpoint, why couldn't he be productive in
that offense? I mean there were points when he had

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Teddy Bridgewater and Jamis Winston looking capable. I think we
all agree if Sean Hayton last year was the coach
of the Saints with Derek Carr, that the Saints would
have won that division. But they were such a joke
with their operation with Dennis Allen. Their offensive coordinator got
run out of town. But if you gave Sean Payton

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Derek Carr, I bet the Saints win ten games. So
to me, Bo Nicks is a very, very interesting guy. Now,
how good the team is going to be? How many
like are they a playoff team in the next couple
of years? Long way to go, but just in terms
of offensive production, like he goes to a pretty seamless
transition when you get to go from a pretty easy

(16:38):
offense in Oregon. I mean a lot of quarterbacks for
the last couple of decades have had a lot of
success there for a coach that's, say what you want
about him, pretty good when it comes off calling offensive places.
I went for a walk on Tuesday after noon and

(17:01):
I'm trying to, you know, need to lose about fifteen pounds.
Kind of got fat, diets gone to shit. But we're
on the straight and narrow, trying to do double days
work out walk in the afternoons and I usually, you know,
throw on the air pods and listen to a podcast.
And right before I left, I was at my computer
and I saw on social media that Max Crosby had

(17:21):
DeVante Adams on. And I've listened to a couple Max
podcasts on YouTube when he had law Too on, he
had Gardner Minshew was like a kind of entertaining, so
I threw it on. I'm a Freensdent State guy. I
followed DeVante's career very very closely. The guy he talks
about in the podcast, Keith Williams, is one of his
close mentors. I think he considers a guy like a family.
I love Keith. I mean I consider him my family too.

(17:45):
He's a stud and right when I got hired with
the Eagles, they were recruiting Davante, so we never crossed pass.
But yeah, I followed his career very very closely, and
I'm just a massive, massive DeVante Adams fan, not just
as the player, but what he stands for is a gain.
And so I was like, ah, this is gonna be
a pretty good podcast, and a couple of things really
jumped out to me as a walking around the neighborhood

(18:07):
sweating my you know what off first and foremost is
he discussed And I think this shows you when you
draft a quarterback one or two, like if Caleb becomes
a star, if Jaden Daniels becomes a star, if Drake
may becomes a star. There's a little element of luck
in that because you never know as an organization. But

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like those weren't lucky picks. When you invest a high,
high pick in a quarterback, you're expecting that guy to
be good. Maybe not Patrick Mahomes or maybe not Joe
Montana or Tom Brady, but just to be a guy
that you're giving a second contract to and can be
your quarterback for we say ten years, but with a
quarterback fifteen years, be your starter until he can't throw
the ball anymore. But there are a ton of quarterbacks

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in the NFL that were not top five picks that
make a ton of money. Dak Prescott I got drafted
and Cousins got drafted in the middle rounds. Both guys
have made hundreds of millions of dollars. Cowboys got lucky
with Dak Prescott. If they knew he was gonna be
as good as he's become, they would have drafted him
in the first round. Look at Russell Wilson. With Seattle

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changed Pete Carroll's career, drafted him in the third round.
Held The Ravens drafted multiple players before they picked Lamar Jackson.
They had no clue he was gonna be this good.
There are some guys. The Chiefs valued Patrick Mahomes a
lot right They traded up to get him at pick ten.
Same thing with the Bills with Josh Allen traded up

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to seven. Even the Chargers, who like, I'll defend Justin
Herbert still to this day, but they got lucky with
that pick even though they got him at six, because
they would have taken Tua if they would have the
fifth pick. Brock Perty's a good example the forty nine ers.
Either the forty nine ers had any clue, they didn't
think the guy was gonna make the team. Then early
on in training camp they're like, yeah, this guy's definitely

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making the team. But they you never know if a
guy's good until they play. That's a hard part of
a quarterback. Like I can rotate other guys in, start
you on special teams, rotate you ten twelve plays as
a defensive pass rusher, give you some slot reps if
you're a wide receiver, if you're a linebacker a dB,
I can put you in some different packages. I can
kind of eat. There's no easing you in in quarterback

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either starter, you don't and if you're not the starting
quarterback and that guy doesn't get hurt. Look at Dak
Prescott the reason he became the starter. Tony Romos back
broke and then Kellen Moore. I think broke a thumb
and got thrust it. No different. Brock Party White, Brock
Party start. Trey Lance shatters his ankle, Jimmy Garoppolo breaks
his foot, like you need things to kind of break

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your way. Even if the team likes you, there's a
lot different than liking you in August and seeing you
win games in November. So when you look at the
quarterback situation, no one really knows. No one really knows.
Trevor Lawrence and Caleb we think we know, but then
they gotta do it. But most of these other guys
who knows, hold on for your ass. See what works.

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Hopefully you can coach him up and you do a
good job around him. DeVante Adams played on the same
team with Jordan Love for several years and said, I
didn't think he was gonna. I didn't. I asked to
get traded because Aaron was gone and I didn't trust
playing with Jordan Love, the guy was his teammate. Now
it's unique because in football, DeVante Adams would not be

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taking reps with Jordan Love like you don't mix in
the quarterback. Aaron Rodgers during the fall gets all the
reps with Devanta Adams, so he wouldn't throw to him,
beside the one scenario I think the Chiefs game when
Rogers wasn't allowed to play because of the vid so
but Davante admitted on the podcast, like, yeah, blew me away.

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I wish I could bring him over here to the
Raiders now, but I didn't know, and if anything, I
didn't think. I was much more confident in Derek Carr,
a guy that I had played with in college. So
DeVante Adams, if he's at practice every day, he's a
fucking receiver. Who are they the most dependent on more
than anybody the quarterback and he's going, yeah, I don't know,

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don't see it. And you could argue Jordan Love if
he maintains this level of play and becomes a ten
year starter for the Packers and a high end top
seven eight quarterback in the NFL. It's one of the
craziest stories ever. I mean, it really is. It has
some Steve Young vibes where no one saw it coming,
not even the players on his own team. No, maybe

(22:32):
that was different in the late eighties with Steve Young.
Maybe some of the players knew it. But it's like
we got Joe Montana, we got Aaron Rodgers. What are
we talking about? And then by the end of the season,
Jordan Love was playing like he was playing. So I
think it's a good just I mean, a guy that
was there saying yeah, blew me away, never believed in

(22:53):
a million years this would happen. I literally asked for
a trade. Now. Originally the year before, I think the
Packers had made a contract offered that DeVante was pissed
off about, came back that his last season with Green
Bay dominated and then they offered the real contract. He
easily could have stayed there, but he didn't think Jordan
Love could play. And I don't blame him because I

(23:14):
don't think anyone thought that. Hell, I don't even think
the Packers thought that halfway through last season when their
general manager said during the bye, yeah, these last ten
games are gonna determine his future. So you could argue
that a guy second half of a season, I mean,
might have changed the entire franchise. And it just shows
you until you get reps, like I would to call

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Pauly learned by doing That's the only way you could
get better is through experience. Now, just because you're doing
something doesn't mean you're gonna be good at it. Especially
in football, you need the talent. But Jordan Love sure
got good. I think he's made DeVante claims he doesn't
regret it. I do think if he knew that Jordan

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Love was gonna be this good, he probably would have stayed,
and he somewhat alluded to that. The other thing is this.
We have talked about this on Fugazi Fridays, the work
life balance argument, and I say everyone's different. Right, If
you work a nine to five and you're making seventy
five grand, I don't expect you to give everything you

(24:18):
have for that company. But even if you are, you know,
a quote unquote W two employee, and I'm paying you
a million dollars, I probably expect a little more. I
expect for you to dedicate a lot to your job,
whatever that may be, So you could argue the price
of what I pay you determines your work life balance.
I do think that's fair. In the world we live in.

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The more you get paid, the more is you know
on your plate. You're making fifty grand? Fuck right, I
can't expect that much out of you, and I don't
blame you if you don't put that much into you.
But this happens a lot during the draft season, when
this is something that's always bothered me. A couple things
have always bothered me about the draft, but this one specifically,

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when coaches will crush guys like I don't think he
likes football that much. I don't think he has too
many other hobbies. I don't want you to have that
many hobbies. And you listen to Max Crosby, listen to
DeVante Adams, you listen to all the great players like
football on their priority list. I'm not expecting you to
like it and have it mean more than like your
kid right or your faith. It's why God family. Football

(25:22):
is something that gets said in college and pro football
a lot. But it better be damn high on your
priority list, and it better be almost even more than
a burning passion deep inside you. Because when you listen
to those two guys. Max Crosby's been talking about this
for a while, he obviously is sober and now you know,
after years of you know, battles some stuff, and in

(25:43):
the off season he goes to the gym every single
day at like six am. I'm talking like February in March,
the raiders facility and works out. He says, it just
tries to help give him the mental edge. And you
listen to Davante what it means for him to work
on his craft and to just practice like Jerry Rice,
and I think this goes around. You just saw the

(26:03):
Kancity Chiefs gave Travis Kelcey a two year contract like
thirty five million dollars guaranteed at all, which is based
on his production his career is the easiest money they've
ever spent, even if he's not quite the same guy
as he was three or four years ago. Never forget
meeting him last year at TPC Scottsdale walking. He was

(26:24):
walking to the driving range because one of his buddies
is on the corn Ferry tour and he would just
go there to practice. I don't think he hangs out
in Scottsdale as much anymore with Taylor. This is pre
Taylor Swift, well, at least publicly. I think it was
because he was spending a lot of time in Scottsdale.
But when I told him that I knew Andy and
Veach and we started bullshitting for a minute, it kind
of ended with him like I can't wait and this

(26:45):
was probably right around this time, maybe even in mid April,
might have been before the draft. So I can't wait
to get back to Kansas City for OTAs. I love practicing,
I love football. I can't wait to get back with
the boys and start working. And this knows you hear
this a lot in the draft, Like we say the

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word character a lot when we're judging prospects. Characters more
than just like take your hat off when you meet
an older lady, or open the door for a grandma, right,
or shake someone's hand and look them in the eye.
A lot of character gets talked about in the NFL
about football character. How bad do you want it? How

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much it means to you. We all know successful people
in some walk of life, right, And I would say
a large and I'm saying financially they're good at their job,
that have a successful company or inside of a company,
or just doing really well. Wouldn't you say most of
them work extremely hard and are very very passionate about
what they do, and what they do means a lot

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to them, deep deep down, like deep in their inner beings.
Scotti Scheffler said last week after he won the RBC,
after he had just won the Masters. How are you
doing this? He said, Guys, I love golf. I love
practicing golf, I love playing golf. I love everything about golf.

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Tiger said that at AUGUSTA same thing, like Tiger, Why
are you still doing this? Because I love doing this?
And when you hear Max and DeVante, you're like, God, Now, listen,
are the Raiders gonna be good? Their quarterback situation is
not ideal, but there's a reason those guys are super
high end players. Davante went in the second round. Max

(28:31):
Crosby was a mid round pick. Travis Kelcey same thing,
third rounder. His brother was a sixth rounder. Football means
everything beside their family, and if you don't have a
lot of those guys, and if they're not your best players,
you don't really have a shot. I remember talking to

(28:52):
Keith Williams, Davante's guy at the combine about Lamar. He
fucking loves Lamar Jackson because everyone in that building loves
Lamar Jackson because of how much football means doing. And
there are a lot of guys, some guys have success
in the NFL that don't really like football, no different
than all these sports, basketball, baseball, They just have the
god given talent, but big picture, they're capped and they're

(29:16):
the type guys that usually fall off faster, you know,
health permitting. So when I listen to that podcast, I went,
this is what teams are looking for. These are the
type guys. Now, there's a lot of other factors. Once
you get money. How do you react? There? Stuff that
you never know? You think you could have a pretty
good educated guest. You listen to Vante and Max talk

(29:36):
like they've been unfazed by money. Honestly, it just inspires
them to work harder, and that's ideally in this draft process,
what you're working for. Travis Kelce last year, before the
season even started, Hall of Famer, All pros, Pro Bowls,
multiple Super Bowls, He's an absolutely legendary player. And in

(29:59):
that playoff and he kept saying, I've never wanted anything more,
and he hammered that home both weeks before the Super Bowl.
I've never wanted to win this game more than this year.
And in that that play where he shoved Andy Reid.
I remember Randy telling me at the combine, He's like, you know,
he doesn't even realize that I'm taking him in and out.

(30:21):
I'm trying to, you know, keep him fresh. But that's
I love that about him, Like that's I like being
in the trenches with that. But yeah, did he lose
his emotional stability right there for a second, of course,
But this is football, this is beer league softball. There's
a lot on the line here, and he's proven and

(30:41):
shown me for a decade how bad he wants it.
So I just I think the Chiefs are a great
example of their best players. This is why they are
the new Patriots, because when you listen to Devin mccordy
and Tom Brady and Julian Edelman and that core group
of talk about football. God, these guys like this shit

(31:05):
a lot. They're addicted. And usually most successful people, whether
it's healthy or not, are addicted to what they're doing.
Kind of the price of success. A couple other just
NFL news and notes Fox I saw I want seven
million dollars for thirty seconds of an ad. And I've

(31:28):
said this for a while that when I was a kid,
I remember going to parties at my buddy's house for
the Super Bowl in the nineties. I vividly remember watching
the Steelers Packers Super Bowl, or was the Packers was
the Packers, Patriots Super Bowl some of those. Maybe it
was the steel It was the Steelers against the Cowboys,
then the Patriots against the the FARV, and then FARV.

(31:53):
The second game was against the Broncos. Kind of that
little three year stretch. And the Super Bowl commercials were
really really big deal. All the biggest brands in America,
whether it's McDonald's, whether it was Budweiser, whether it was Chevrolet.
It was a big time for them to shine because
one hundred million people were sitting there and between the action,

(32:17):
we're still sitting there. Times have changed. I've noticed it
in the last couple Super Bowls, whether I've been at
a party or whether I was just watching it with Maria.
When the commercials come on, I go to my cell phone.
I was watching Tiger Woods today, who's probably my favorite athlete.

(32:37):
He has this new clothing brand called Sunday Red, and
he's I wouldn't wear it. I think he kind of
screwed up on the logo. It should have been more
of like an iconic picture of him, a lot like
Michael Jordan flying through the air for the Jordan brand.
But regardless of any of that stuff, he went on
a press tour today. Here's the problem them. Tiger went

(33:01):
on a press tour like it was two thousand and six.
Good Morning America. It's like, Tiger, do you want my
mom who's seventy five and retired to care about your stuff?
Or do you want the people that are forty fifty
years old, because his price points are really high with
a high household income to buy this stuff because they're
not watching any of this stuff. You're going on Tiger

(33:25):
in twenty twenty four, Do you know where you should go?
Go on podcasts? Go on someone's YouTube show, Go somewhere,
go on Pardon My Take, Go on Colin's I'd love
to have you, but probably make more sense to going
with Colin. Do that type stuff. That's where your audience is,

(33:45):
where you want to sell this. Go on No Laying
Ups podcast, going on with Carson Dally. Do you think
any of the people that would buy your stuff are
sitting down watching that stuff? But I understand it, Like
in Tiger's heyday, that stuff mattered, and the people Tigers
surrounded with that run his money have been doing it
for twenty plus years. That stuff in their head matters.

(34:07):
It no longer matters, and I just wonder if I
was a company, why would you spend seven million dollars
now if you're meta or what these companies with unlimited
amounts of money, like, what is it hurt? But even
if I ran Chevy or Budweiser, like, I think we
could utilize that money much differently. Now the consumer in

(34:27):
the world has dramatically changed. That commercial is nowhere near
as powerful. Now There's still gonna be a lot of
people surrounded the TV and see it in the backdrop.
But I think the day and age of everyone just
kind of watching it like that was a huge part
of the event because anyone that's my age year old
or the Super Bowl commercials were I would say as

(34:48):
big as the Super Bowl. They were massive. It was
it went hand in hand. I just don't believe it
does because I know as a thirty nine year old guy,
they don't mean shit to me anymore, and they haven't
in a long time. Why Because I'm not really paying
attention and I've seen the power of this device, which
is not the healthiest thing, but it is what it is,

(35:10):
and we go to that thing immediately. I love when coaches,
and this is a classic coach thing totally understand, like
second third rounder, if you come out and be like, listen,
I know we have openings at both guard spots, but
this our second round pick is going to have to
earn his way. I totally get it. But anytime you

(35:31):
take a guy really high in the draft and the
coach comes out and goes, Marvin Harrison Junior is gonna
have to earn his spot. It's like, guys, no, he's not.
Obviously he can't just never show up to practice and
show up week one and play. But like, if Marvin
Harrison is in the building and practicing, we not only

(35:52):
know he's your starter, we know he's your leading receiver.
I'll never forget. And you know, the Cardinals coaching staff
is really young. Gannin's like early forties, may even be
like thirty nine to forty. Both of his coordinators I
think are under forty as offensive coordinators, like thirty three.
I think his defensive coordinator is thirty five. So I'm
on them all four given millennial shots. But vic Fango,

(36:16):
who's definitely not that age and very old school. I
remember being around the Niners when I had a radio
show and they drafted Eric Reid, his brother Justin's on
the Chiefs and he was a really good player coming
at LSU and they desperately needed a safety. And Fangio's like,
we don't hand jobs out here. You got to earn
that shit. All through preseason, all through training camp. Eric

(36:40):
Reed ran with the twos, It's like, what, Vic, I
think you're excellent, but what are we doing here? You
don't happen in a week one when they rolled out,
Eric Reeder was starting safety investments. What you put into
these guys, the draft capitol, what you're actually paying. Marvin
Harrison is going to sign a contract at like thirty
four million dollars, They're gonna guarantee him twenty five million dollars. Yes,

(37:04):
he's your starter last, but not at least the Patriots.
I think I said a couple weeks ago that they
were clearly gonna have a lot of options, that their
team sucks so bad that they should just trade back
start building up their team. I don't necessarily am gonna
pivot off that spot, but I do understand this. When

(37:26):
you have people interested in what you have to me,
the people interested in what you have should matter. If
the guy's an idiot, You're like this guy. Whatever, Could
we just fleece this guy? He doesn't know what he's
doing the Patriots. It was reported that the Giants offered
pick six and a twenty twenty five first round pick.

(37:48):
I think we all agree this Giants team is no
lock to be eight nine wins. They could, but w
it's shocking if they're six and eleven. So that that
pick Ryan Pole did it once upon a time could
be very, very valuable. Here's the problem. The Giants they
wanted Drake May. Same with the Minnesota who will get

(38:08):
into in a second. The Giants GM was the assistant
GM and Brian Dave Boll was the offensive coordinator when
they moved up and got a guy like Josh Allen.
So if you go, wait, these guys who were a
big part of the move up to get Josh now
really value this guy. And then Kevin O'Connell, who worked
with Stafford, who last year worked with Cousins for the

(38:30):
last couple years worked with Cousins, clearly has established himself
pretty good young offensive play caller slash quarterback guy former
quarterback himself, offered eleven, twenty three and a twenty five
first for Drake May. So you go Wait, these two
guys who clearly have a pretty good feel for what

(38:51):
works in this league at that position. Young and old
want our guy. Want the guy that we also like,
even though we have a lot of other issues. Maybe
it makes the most sense to just take this player
that are we equipped to handle right away? Probably not.
Is it a great situation for him? No, it's not.

(39:13):
But could we ever live down if day Ball resurrects
his career or Kevin O'Connell becomes a legend because Drake
May is the next Josh Allen or Herbert, we'd have
fucking problems and all of us, even if the Jonathan
Kraft who is the GM signs off on it, we're

(39:33):
all getting fired because if you think they're mad in Boston, Now,
if we did that and then that kid's a baller,
we're all done. So I get it, you know, And
I think I heard someone say that those teams doing
that and their interest in them just validated their thoughts
on the player. I get it, and it's I mean,

(39:55):
it definitely is the right move in terms of you
need a quarterback, take a guy with a ton of talent. Now,
is it a great landing spot or is it gonna
look good. I would probably bet against that. Okay, let's

(40:16):
dive into the Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff at John
Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms to get
your question here on the podcast, we will start with Corey.
With the draft concluded, how do you think Washington will
fare this upcoming season? Well, brand new coach obviously, a

(40:39):
new GM, and a brand new quarterback, which I think
is exciting. You could say, if he is a high
end player early on, and I'm not even talking CJ. Stroud,
I'm just saying he's a good rookie, you should compete
to win eight ish games. I would say off the
time my head, I don't have your draft in front

(41:01):
of me, But you took the defensive tackle from Illinois
that a lot of people thought I could have been
a first rounder. Now you have a defensive tackle who's
pretty good on the team in Allen. But there were
some I was listen to, some things like could he
get traded? Who knows? Obviously he would definitely have value
in the open market if they traded him during training
camp or whatever. I think you also drafted a tight
end who a lot of people view was really good.

(41:24):
The one thing with Adam Peters is he was around.
You know, with the forty nine ers, they actually missed
on a lot of high picks and hit on a
lot of like third, fourth, fifth rounders. I mean, some
of their better players on the team, Fred Warner third rounder,
George Kittle, fifth rounder, you know, Deebo early second. But
they've they've had a lot. Hufunga, who was All Pro

(41:46):
a couple of years ago, he got hurt last year.
Sixth rounder. So that Leonore who's become a really good player,
I think was a third or fourth rounder, so they
I'd feel pretty good about his eye in the mid rounds.
Cj Anders, who was a running back for the Denver Broncos,
who was an undrafted free agent out a Cow when

(42:07):
the Broncos won the Super Bowl with Peyton Manning. When
he retired, he said, if it wasn't for Adam Peters,
I might not have been in the NFL, and I
definitely wouldn't have had the success I had. So always
root for that guy's coaching right now in the East Bay,
I think in Danville. But Adam Peters is good. Obviously
your immediate success is you know, Dan Quinn changed that

(42:29):
Dallas defense pretty quickly. I would say that Dallas defense
has a little more talent than yours. But to me,
if the quarterback can just be pretty dynamic, even if
you're not the most polished passer immediately, I mean on
college tape, he throws a beautiful deep ball and he's
really accurate. But just let's just assume going from college

(42:51):
to the pros a little bit of a work in progress.
The athleticism should buy him a bunch of plays. Now,
he's not as dynamic in the open field as Lamar.
I don't think laterally like making guys miss, but he
is really fast. He's got to find a way to
avoid those hits. But also, let's look at your division.
You know, the Giants are a major question mark. I
think it's fair to say the Cowboys aren't quite as talented,

(43:14):
and the Eagles should win the division, but they're just
gonna have a ton of pressure on him. So I
think a good I think a really good season. If
the quarterback looks good and you win eight nine, I'd
feel pretty good about where I was at. If I
was an old Commander fan, big fan, what's your recommendation
for a course in the Scottsdale area for two hundred

(43:37):
dollars or less. Bachelor party in October, I would go
to Whirlwind or Raven. It's Chandler and Phoenix. I would
look at those two courses, and I don't know about
this price point in October, but week of pal type
in we week go ko Pa. It's like three different words.

(44:00):
It's like an Indian reservation. Two courses. I don't know
how expensive it is in October, but it might be
right around there. I'd highly recommend it. Helly, I'd go
all Saturday, play thirty six holes, sweet track persall. Definitely
feels like a Shanahan type player. However, I feel the

(44:21):
Niners are going to look back in a few years
and regret not taking Keon Coleman. Bigger, tougher, able to
get up and contest balls. Your thoughts. It's a good point,
I think, and I like both. I definitely like Keon Coleman.
I think he makes a lot more sense with an

(44:41):
elite drop back quarterback, and in that offense, a guy
on any given game could throw at forty to fifty
times a game and just throw a bunch of fifty
to fifty balls it's not really how the forty nine
ers play, you know, in a perfect world with Kyle Shanahan,
their running backs have twenty five to thirty carries, and
they have of twenty five and under pass attempts. Obviously

(45:03):
that can change on a given game, but I'm saying
that's philosophically how they think about their team. When I
got Josh Allen, I want him thrown at forty five
times a game. More he throws better chances. I have
to dominate Saint dak Prescott where I want to run
the game, run the ball right, because that's the way
he has success. Now Purdy is better than a lot
of people give him credit for, but his coach doesn't

(45:25):
scheme that way. He schemes great route runners get open,
and we're gonna hit you on six or seven times
a game. Brandon Atyuk had a breakout year he at
seventy eight catches. So in a weird way, I think
a guy like Pearsall, who is closer to an Ayuk
type route runner goes over the middle, is much more

(45:46):
what they're looking for in their offense than Keon Coleman,
who is get me a guy outside who can just
win in one on one spots, Josh will throw it
up for you. So I think ke On Coleman is
gonna be really good. I don't think he would be
utilized perfectly with the forty nine ers, no different than Debo,

(46:07):
Like if you put Debo on a lot of teams,
if you put Deebo on the Bills. I don't want
to say he's be useless because he's a very talented player,
but he is perfectly suited to play with this guy.
I mean perfectly suited some guys, you know Shane Stiken,
when he changed the offense for Jalen Hurts, it went

(46:27):
very seamlessly, and then he left and it started looking
a little weird. That's not an apples to apples comparison,
but you know what I mean. The scheme for a
lot of guys. Most guys are not Randy Moss or
in the peak of my powers, I could play in
any scheme anywhere, doesn't matter. Even though I heard a
famous story one time about an assistant coach who was
on the Raiders that when they traded for Randy Moss

(46:50):
and that that team was terrible. And I don't know
if it was a preseason game or It might have
been a September game because the Raiders shared the stadium
with the A's And when I used to go to
the Raider games that first month, and anyone that's watched
football used to see it would have the infield in
the football field. So when you'd get to I forget

(47:11):
the exact yard lines, but somewhere around midfield, the second
base right there would be dirt. There'd be dirt. It
feels very very archaic, hard to even that wasn't that
long ago. That was like six seven, five, six years ago.
Hell less than that, three or four years ago. They
played with the dirt. Well, I don't know if it
was Week one because I don't know if he played
in the preseason, but they called a play and Randy

(47:34):
was supposed to run like a deep in or something
over the dirt, and he got close to the dirt
and he just started running around it, and obviously the
quarterback either airmailed him throw a pick. I don't know
the exact result. I just know it was a disaster.
They come to the sideline and they look at Randy
and they go, what are we doing? And Randy essentially

(47:56):
says like I'm not running the dirt man. It don't
blame him, like, who wants to get tackled on the dirt?
Just funny little Randy Bosstor. A couple years later, he's
on the Belichick Patriots and they go, uh scores five
hundred touchdowns. Cowboys fan here love the show. I think
Jerry Jones saying this all in means we're all in

(48:17):
on Dak and McCarthy and a lot of players we have.
If they can't win a couple of playoff games, they're
gone your thoughts. I think that's probably what he really
deep down meant without articulating it that way. We're all
in this year, and if we don't make our first
NFC championship game in whatever twenty five plus years, heads

(48:37):
are rolling, starting with the coach in the quarterback. We're
not extending the quarterback, and we're definitely not extending the
coach now. I guess they could if they extend the quarterback. Obviously,
he's not going anywhere. I would not at this point
in time. I'd let it play out. It's not like
Dak signing a discount now. So if he has a
bunch of success, you feel good about giving him a
bunch of money if he wins you three playoff games

(48:58):
and you lose in the Super Bowl, which I don't
think is gonna happen. Hell, I don't even they're gonna
win a plaoff game. But Jerry till those dying day
is gonna believe this is our year. How about them Cowboys.
I'm from Modreal, Canada, big fan of the podcast. I
have a technical question for you. I'm a tutor. I
sometimes give lessons online and I find myself being inspired

(49:24):
by your natural talent for keeping the conversation flowing smoothly.
I was wondering when you record a podcast, do you
proceed from bullet points? Do you take any notes? For
all you do is jump right in and improvise. Any
tip would be greatly appreciated. Well, everyone's different. I don't
know how other podcasters do it. I write out my show,

(49:46):
not like word for word. I'm just saying, like I
write out topics, and I kind of write on a notepad.
You know what I'm gonna talk about with the Bears,
what I'm gonna talking about with bo Nicks, Max and DeVante,
Like just my thoughts, I just write them on paper
and then I just press or Cord and I just talk.
But I think writing it out on paper for me

(50:06):
everyone learns different helps me just kind of crystallize it
in my head, know what I want to say. Again,
these are like scribbled bullet notes about Caleb Williams, about
Fox charging for Super Bowl commercials, whatever, and just the
general point I want to make or what I'm interested
in talking about, or you know, sometimes if I look down,

(50:27):
it'd be for stats and stuff that I had written
down that are trying to make my point or whatever
I'm talking about. I think that crystallizes in my head. Now.
I'm also kind of sick. I mean, I think about
the show all day every day, So anytime that I
have a thought, oh, that would be interesting, that'd be
an interesting angle, that'd be cool to talk about. I

(50:48):
have a little notepad in my iPhone that I'll jot
little notes and then I'll transfer that to the paper
as I'm getting ready. But you know, I don't also
have a set time when I record this if we're
not going live, So like right now, it's five o'clock
in the afternoon, I had a bunch of stuff to
do this morning. Didn't get into the rhythm. I realize

(51:09):
I'm not a morning If I was a radio host,
I would be an afternoon guy, not a morning guy.
My brain works better that way. Now I will if
I get up, sometimes six in the morning or seven
in the morning, I'll just grab a couple of coffee,
come to the office, write a bunch of notes or whatever,
and then go on with my day, work out, come
back and record, usually like after lunch, because that's when

(51:32):
I feel for the most part. I mean sometimes my
brain never opens up, but that's when I'm the most fluid,
is from like one to five. If I'm gonna record,
it's when I feel I do my best. But yeah,
I don't. It's just kind of natural. And again this
is a This is one of those things that like
you're either kind of a talker or not, which ironically,

(51:55):
I'm kind of introverted, especially in my older years. I
don't really like love spending time around other people all
the time. Like I'm not some extroverted guy. This is
kind of my extroverted moment now. I play golf with
the random people, I do things. But I'm not by
any means, but I do like to talk, always have.

(52:15):
I was probably definitely more extroverted when I was younger,
still have it in me, get a few cocktails, but
it's just kind of blend everything about my personality and
my brain and try to isolate it here into a
microphone mail back. Question, is Joe Thuny a future Hall

(52:35):
of Famer? My first reaction is no, without even reading
or question. Truthfully, I have no idea what makes a
Hall of Fame lineman. He's a four time super Bowl champion.
He hasn't had many all pro seasons, but has easily
been the best offensive lineman in the Chiefs dynasty. Let
me look up Joe Thuni's resume here. He's a four

(52:57):
time super Bowl champion. I guess maybe one one with
the Pats and then he's won three with the Chiefs.
Has he really won four? You're right? Uh? Is he
not a Hall of Famer? What active lineman do you see?
Having legitimate case? Four guy? Guys won four super Bowls?

(53:19):
Holy shit? What a career. Guys made a lot of
money too, and the chief signed him doing an eighty
million dollar contract. He was a third round pick in sixteen.
He's lived pretty good football life. Gets drafted in the
middle of the second dynasty, the second half of the
dynasty for the Pats, wins a super Bowl, I think
I'm sure against the Rams. Probably played on another team

(53:41):
that lost a Super Bowl. Do you think he's been
doing a lot of super bowls now thinking about it.
What a fascinating career in New England at sixteen. So
he lost it in the he won an AMC, he
lost to the Eagles, he beat the Rams, and then

(54:01):
he's been the Chiefs. The thing with offensive lineman, and
he's a very very good player, you know, like a
high end, excellent career, high end starter. He's been franchised.
Chiefs gave an eighty million to me in a Hall
of Fame. Offensive lineman is like the best offensive lineman,
like what Jason Kelsey was for a long time, what

(54:22):
Trent Williams is now, what Jonathan Ogden was. If he
did that at quarterback or even a wide receiver. I
think the team accolades, which is ironic because it's the
ultimate team position, the offensive line. Less powerful in your case,
so I would say no, but thanks for alerting me

(54:46):
on he's been to two Super Bowls with the Pats,
and he's been he's been a five Super Bowls. He's
been in league nine years. I don't think we talk
enough about that. All the guy does is Win wanted
to know give the Chargers overall in their entire draft.
I don't have it up right now. I've talked about

(55:06):
the alt pick, no brainer. The only thing I do
wonder is offensive linemen are very particular about their feet
and some guys can you know this happens with guards
and tackles can only play left or right guard, or
can only function on the right or left side. Not
everyone can go both ways. High end players. Obviously your backups,

(55:28):
you need a swing guard center and you need a
swing tackle. But like you know, Lane Johnson, I think
it's fair to say is much more comfortable at right tackle.
And maybe he's talked about that before in the past,
Trent Williams left tackle. Now, both those guys, if they
had to, could switch. But like there's a reason you
know the left tackle. Once you state, you never move.

(55:49):
But historically, if you have a starting left tackle and
you draft a right tackle, once that guy either phases out, retires, whatever,
you just bump that guy over. Nowadays, because there's so
many rushers, the right tackle is very valuable. That's why
a lot of teams look at Chargers are putting the
emphasis there. My question with Joe Walt is he's never
played right tackle. I don't even think he was alignment

(56:13):
in high school, so he's only been a left tackle. Slater,
I think, has done both. Now, historically it'd be like, well,
I want to say a left tackle because you get
paid more. Well, look at Lane Johnson paid a premium.
Look at Penay Sool. He's got eighty five million dollars guaranteed.
So if you're Slater and you bumped to the right side,
if you're an all pro elite player, worst you're still

(56:34):
gonna get I don't know, one hundred million dollars. I
don't think historically it used to mess with the money.
I don't think it does anymore. My guess would be,
if I was taking an educated guess, Slater's the right
tackle and also left tackle. Less about one guy's better
than the other just because one guy is more comfortable

(56:54):
at it than the other unless they try all out
there and he feels good about it. But if I
had to take an educated guest right now, that's what happens.
But back to the Chargers draft, Mconkee stud route runner.
I like Brandon Rice. I think he's a fascinating player.
I thought that was a good get in the transfer
portal last year by USC they drafted the linebacker from Michigan. Well,

(57:17):
obviously Jim and his defensive coordinator know that guy. Well,
I'd imagine that guy's gonna be a plug and play player.
Wouldn't shock me if they started. Chargers kind struggled with
the linebacker for a while. Now, to me, it's gonna
come down to if the running game is good, which
Greg Roman and Harbaugh are good run game guys. Now
they have an improved offensive line and the two pass

(57:39):
rushers can stay healthy, I think it's less about your
immediate Obviously mcconkeye's gonna play. But you know, Brandon Rice, Guys,
we see guys like that all the time in the
practice squad. Who knows. I mean, I like the guy,
But if you told me he's a practice squad, I'm
not gonna be shocked. Can Mack and Bosa give you
a ninety percent of the games? Because if they do,
then you're be in pretty good shape because your defensive
line would be good. Or all those guys both within

(58:00):
the training room and on injury reserve I think it's
less about your draft beside like Alton Maconkey, and more
about those two guys. Those two guys are a big
question marks because if they're good, shit, you could be
a problem. Jim's is too good question. Why haven't owners
found a way to take more of the guesswork out
of the draft, particularly as it relates to quarterbacks for

(58:23):
such an important position on the field, which can make
or break your organization no matter how well you scout,
they seem content to leave much of it to chance
and circumstance, rather than knowing whether or not the player
is even worth investing time and resources into. Take soccer,
for example, most of the premier talent is in a
professional setting by age sixteen. If they're good enough for

(58:46):
show promise, they will train with the first team. If
they show their promise, they get a chance to play
a meaningful game. Depending on how well they do in
the game, they'll either get a first team spot or
they're done, and it's just a matter of time before
they go out there without having to pay millions of
dollars for them. I don't understand why teams are content

(59:07):
with current evaluation system. It's because college acts is the
minor league system for pro football, and it is extremely
successful in its own right economically, right, the big ten,
the SEC are printing cash. The NFL invests zero dollars

(59:30):
into that. So all the money the league is making,
whether you got a good quarterback or not, you're like
the government three years ago, just printing cash. So when
you are a team that can't lose money and you
don't have to invest in the training of the future employees,
college football does that, and let's face it, they give
a ton of good players every year. It's going to

(59:52):
be a little bit of a crapshoot, but you pay
zero into it, and what would change, Like you would
just have the access to pull those guys Like I
actually think the system. If I was an owner, I
would love the system. Yeah, we miss on a quarterback
and it sucks. I'm still having a toime. If I'm
the owner, you're talking from the owner's perspective. I want

(01:00:13):
to invest hundreds of millions of dollars each into a
minor league system which will never will never make money
off of because they'll like one of the reason college
has a lot of success is fifty thousand people a
year go to you know, graduate from Ohio State or
Michigan or or I guess they're going to school there
at one time. I don't know what the graduating classes are,
but those Big ten and SEC schools are massive. They

(01:00:36):
have an enormous following, like the NFL, so the business
model for that is thriving. Now that's going to change,
I guess as some of this, the dynamics of the
revenue sharing just it's it's going to evolve over the
next I mean fast, probably five years. But if I

(01:00:56):
was an owner, like, I don't give a fuck. I don't.
I don't want to pay my own money for something
that one won't net me any money in two. Like,
it's not we still have to pay all the coaches
to develop those guys. We know they are not cheap.
I think it's a pretty good setup, and I think
it's the setup why football is dominating. College basketball sucks
now why Because everyone's one and done. There's no like

(01:01:19):
brand loyalty, Like the top players leave immediately, so no
one watches the regular season and even the NCAA tournament's
pretty random now where and I guess it always has been.
But you don't even know the players on the big brands.
College football feels like must watch. I mean this year
college football everyone was watching Oregon, Washington, Bama, LSU, Georgia,

(01:01:46):
Ohio State, Michigan. It was just it felt like NFL games.
It's only gonna be bigger this year. It might be
a little down actually, because I don't know the crop
of quarterbacks is as good as last year. But that changes.
No one thought bo Nix would be a top fifteen
pick at this time last year. Nobody was saying Jade

(01:02:07):
Daniel's name, Michael Pennis on a lot of boards, probably
a third or fourth round pick, So things change now.
It does feel like those guys were more established than
some of these, Like Dion's getting into it on Twitter
with like his former players. Everyone's like trying to make
it some big symbolic moment, Like I just find it funny.
Who even cares? This is all? This all theater guys,

(01:02:28):
This is all once you start paying to play, which
is what's going on in college football, Like everything's on
the table at A scout tell me last year, he's like,
you go into these programs, the coach will tell you, like,
you know, I care a little less now about some
of these about certain relationships because like, hey, we just
got you three hundred and fifty grand, you better get
us fucking seventy catches or else we're gonna have a problem.

(01:02:51):
So it's becoming much more cutthroat. And Dion's a pro
guy and he's treating it like the pros. When you suck,
we talk shit in college they do too, but they
just never publicly do it because of recruiting. Now recruiting
is irrelevant. Can you pay players? So it's that makes
college football to me a little more interesting. Now. You
could argue last year was a unique setup. Caleb at

(01:03:14):
transfer from Oklahoma, Bo nixut transferred from from Auburn, Jayden
had transfer from Arizona State, Pennix, Like we had all
these transfers. It just worked. It's like one of the greatest,
might be one of the greatest transfer portals we ever
see if you think about it. Pennix, Nicks, JJ didn't,

(01:03:34):
May didn't, but Jaden. I mean four of the six
guys all transferred, all got drafted high and dominated. I mean,
Bo Knix and Michael Pennox were dominating the Pac twelve
at Oregon and Washington in the country. I mean they
were two of the better teams in the country the
last two years, both of them. I know Washington was

(01:03:54):
in the National Championship Game, but the difference between Oregon
and Washington this year's a coin flip. You talk about
two of the best five teams transfer portal guys. Caleb
was unique because he just went with Lincoln, but Jayden's
probably more like what we might get this year, Like
you're not really expecting it, and all of a sudden,
this guy from Kansas State transferred to Florida, and all

(01:04:19):
of a sudden, we're talking about him like a top
twenty pick. That's gonna happen because I looked at a
way too early twenty twenty five mock draft. Don't hate it.
I just I couldn't help but click on it. That's
you know where all the kids on social media say
you're just doing this for clicks. That is definitely for clicks,
and it fucking worked. I clicked that fast, and then

(01:04:40):
I was reading it like I haven't heard of this guy. Oh,
this guy's sweet. Weren't many quarterbacks. Weren't many quarterbacks. I
know Dion's tweeting his son's a top five pick. I
do not believe as of the day he would go
in the top five. He definitely would have gone on
the top five of this draft. I don't think he
would have gone on in the top twenty. Cowboy probably
pick him at twenty whatever they picked twenty four, that's

(01:05:03):
where he would have gone the Cowboys. But he would
not have been picked based off last year in the
top twenty picks. Zero chance. I've been watching college football
long enough. Absolutely none. Doesn't mean he can't become one,
but he's got a long way to go. The Georgia kid,
Carson Beck, I'd be lying. I feel like I didn't
watch that much Georgia last year besides like highlights of

(01:05:25):
Brock Bowers. But he's definitely an interesting guy. And then
we're just gonna need some other quarterbacks to figure it
out because last year, coming into this season, we kind
of knew Drake May definitely Caleb Williams, and there was
just a bunch of other names. It doesn't feel like
there's five names, which you could also say, like, who's
gonna need a quarterback next year? The Giants. I mean

(01:05:48):
a lot of teams have quarterbacks that are going to
be on their team for a couple of years. So
maybe it's less dependent and maybe it will be a
defensive heavy draft. I don't know his way to get
a guy that falls football to click on your article
week after the draft twenty twenty five mock first rounder
who click the volume

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