May 3, 2024 • 42 mins
Thoughts on the first round of the NBA playoffs and the second round match ups
Colin discusses Bucks Patrick Beverley's interaction with a fan last night
Guest: Ric Bucher
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yesterday on the show, we were talking about something San Francisco.
The Niners went and drafted two wide receivers, one and
the fourth, one of the first and there is speculation.
I think it's pretty well founded. They're gonna move Debo
and Brandon Iyuk. I suggested in camp, see if the
guys can play, and you grimace, so did t J. Huschmanzada.
We'll get to that second. But it's an interesting thought piece,
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like what do you do with this? So I was
thinking about this this morning. Sometimes we get too caught
up in value. If you need something, you need something,
go pay for it. The number one goal in the
NFL is win the super Bowl. The number two goal
is get the players that can win the Super Bowl.
And if brought Pretty's your quarterback, you need some great
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around him. Oh what value And that draft pick Michael Pennix,
We could have used a linebacker. Penix is more important.
Get him. I wouldn't worry too much about value on stuff.
Nice stuff costs money. Jerry Jones has a great quote.
I want to read it here. It's a great quote,
and I think about this often. And he's a he
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was a wildcat or an oil guy. People thought he
overpaid for the Cowboys. He said, the truth is most
anything that I've ever been involved with in the end
that ended up being special, I overpaid for anytime I've
tried to get a bargain, That's what I got. A
bargain in a lot of ways and not up to standard.
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You get what you pay for. When the Houston Texans
gave up a ton to get Will Anderson first, second, third, oh,
everybody got precious. Will Anderson won Rookie Defensive Player of
the Year. He's great. So San Francisco's got currently a
very old roster. It's a really old roster. Almost all
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their great players. Outside of Hafunga the safety, almost all
of them are old or at least like Fred Warner. Later,
prime linebackers age pretty quick. And so TJ. Houshmanzada when
I suggested move Debo or move Brandon Aiyuk, here's what
he said.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You can't get rid of them during a training count
because you are a Super Bowl contender. You can't get
rid of one of your best offensive players. I don't
think you can do that. That would really tear the
locker room with part. Guys would be pissed off if
you do that, they'd be angry.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I mean, listen, people don't go to the theater as
much as they used to, but they went there for
Barbie Oppenheimer and Mission Impossible. They're great, great gets people
do with theater. Good doesn't. So the bottom line is,
i Uk is great, Deebo is great, and it's hard
to find it. And this is an old roster, And
so I think TJ. Hushman's at is right, and I'm
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wrong to suggest, Hey, let's see if the guys can play,
and if they can play, let's move them. You're probably
just best keeping them. It's an old roster it's munge
old guys, and it's also old guys that get banged up.
They lost that linebacker didn't even get hit last year.
Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Deebo, Samuel George Kittle, who funk
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as a young guy got hurt. He was getting hurt
occasionally at USC. So I think I was wrong on that.
I think TJ. Hushman's at is right. I think the
way to do it if you're in this short window.
And I said this early year, and I don't think J.
Mack believe me, but I feel like last year was
the best of what we're gonna see. I do not
think you can keep asking Christian McCaffrey to get two
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hundred and fifty touches. Like, I feel like this is
a baseball team and the staff is going to have
some arm fatigue at some point, and they were very
healthy at the end of the year. They got all
their guys mostly healthy except the safety. I'm like, I
don't know if you can do that again. Like I
feel that the Chiefs are doing something very rare. They're great,
and they're still ascending because the young defense. I think,
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like the Niners have hit it, and you're gonna start
seeing a little more injuries. So I think think TJ's
I think TJ's right on that. Rick Buker's right a lot.
He is now joining us live. Rick Buker is the
NBA playoffs. It feels like the more they change, the
more they say stay the same. The Sixers are out,
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Kawi's not playing, Lebron wants a new coach the NBA.
I want to start with something though, I want to
get this right out of the way. Yeah, so the
Patrick Beverly situation, Yes, okay. So one of the things
we talked about this yesterday. If you've been damaged verbal
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abuse or anything when you're young, it stays with it forever.
You can go to therapy for one hundred years, you
don't forget it, and it stays with you. The NBA
malice in the Palace is still very much hovering emotionally,
and that is why they are so quick that little
fans out of games in the NBA, they are so
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quick to get a heck, NFL doesn't, Baseball doesn't, MLS doesn't.
And I think two things hover over this league. Tim
donaghe that's why they do replays. CCC we made a mistake.
We're aware of the mistake. You guys want to see
the mistake. And I think, yeah, this moment by Pat
Bev scares the hell out of the league.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, it does. But I wouldn't attribute it necessarily to
malice in the palace as much as I would the
intimacy between players and fans and going back at each
other through social media. It's now become something where you
used to have that wall, you used to have that separation,
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and now you see it. I mean you see it
with Russell Westbrook. You see players now picking out fans
and saying I want them out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
We never had that before.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
The fans were sacri saying you didn't you as a
player never interacted with them in any way. Well, now
through social media, there's all this interaction. There's going back
and forth, there's videos, there's and and I believe that
players and fans have gotten have become comfortable going at
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each other, and so now we're seeing it in real life.
I believe that's what should scare the NBA, because I
and what would you do professional sports? Honestly, and I
hate to do this to.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And there's a suspension, for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I would suspend them for a year. I just I
do not think that there is any way that it's
acceptable you throw it, not once, but twice.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Well, also, this has been talked about with a Rodman
or a Draymon. Yeah, you do look at the resume. Yeah,
I mean this is one thing. If it was Steve
Kerr did that with a fan, you'd be like, what happened? Yes, Yes,
it's different if Draymond does something, or Pat Bev or
Westbrook You're like, okay, we have kind of a repeat. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And it's one thing to go back and forth. It's
another thing. It's a completely different thing to get physical
and to throw. I mean, it is unconscionable to me
that he's throwing. He's throwing a basketball at people on
the stands, not once twice, but twice at close range.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I know it is.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It is so unacceptable that I have to and that's why,
you know, I mean, suspending him for a year potentially
ends his career. But to me, that's the message that
needs to be had, that has to be sent.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, I also said, it's just I think about it.
Jason Tatum doesn't taunt fans. So I I went to
watch Jason Tatum and sat court side. Yeah, fans didn't
taunt him. I mean, it was your typical you're not
getting it, man, you're right, right, right, but he doesn't
bring it on right.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And but you know what, Look, one of the things
that I love about the NBA and always have is
is the intimate the showmanship and that the fans are
right there and that you can engage and that you
would have you know, going back to Robert Robin Thicker
in Washington and there was Golden State used to have
two guys on the on the corner on the court,
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on the court and they would talk trash, but it
was it was good natured trash, and they would do
their homework and they would pick it guys. And you'd
see guys like standing at the free throw line and
they'd be trying to hide a smile because these guys
really had some wit, right this That to me, that
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that that those exchanges, that back and forth, that talking
trash or I mean, if you're a fan and you
know that so and so has heard you and they
look at you after they hit a three, that's part
of the that's.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Part of the fun. Kobe was totally different. Yeah, Kobe
Bryant would have some playful momentary.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean that's what you you. You don't get
that in football or baseball because you're so far removed
from from the action and from the players. They can
literally land in your lap, and and that I want
to preserve that, right, I don't want to lose that.
I mean, back way back, back, back, back back back,
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when the game first started, they were called Cager's because
they were literally they'd have chain link fence between between
the fans and the players because they didn't want anything
to get out of control.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
The Villanova can win a national championship in college basketball
without having superstars or just but in the NBA there's
almost an understanding you can't be to Lucas centric or
Braylan Jylen Brunson centric. You got to have multiple guys.
So I do think there's a ceiling to the Knicks.
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But it did feel like Villanova beat the Sixers last
night eighty points, thirty assists or close to it. So
if you bring in another piece, yep, this isn't just
a typical locker room Tibbs is the coach, Villanova's the vibe. Yep,
you've got to get the right piece. A lot of
times with Lebron, it's just get him a shooter on
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the way, right, we'll figure it out. That's not the Knicks.
It was a little like Brooklyn years ago when they
had good chemistry. They bought in Kyrie and KD. The
chemistry went like, that's what they had the Knicks for
a lot of chemistry and effort. Who fits is the two?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Oh well they it would be he's not available.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
But the.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's a Drew Holiday personality. It's somebody will plays a role,
willing to defend you. The problem with the Villanova guys
is they're all six ' four.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
How about Paul George? Paul George.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Potentially because I don't think he's a personality that need
to be the guy. He doesn't need to be the guy.
Is he a Tibbs guy? Because Tims is going to
ask him to be on point and play harder night
after night, possession after possession than he ever has.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Part of why this works is because they are Villanova guys. Yeah,
they were coached hard by Jay Wright and they are overachievers.
They're grinders. Gibbs has struggled at times with stars.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yes, yeah, because he and making adjustments and putting guys
in their sweet spot, and stars expect you to sort
of cater to their games. That's never That's been the
strength and the weakness of Tips and it's why I
wondered whether he would get past a Nick Nurse coached
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Philly team because Nick Nurse has that ability, and I
believe it's why that series was as competitive as it was,
because you had a compromised Joel.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Embiid Like you always compromise, okay, but spec I mean
you have a compromise Kawhi two.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Months off, two months off, and you have a week
to get ready for playoff intensity. I'm anybody who's blaming Embiid.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, I think you're You're not a blame situation. It's
a let's be honest. He's a great two. I don't
think he has the temperament, the fourth quarter ability, the
history with injuries. The East has never been weaker. Everybody's better,
that's true, that's true. Everybody's best. Orlando's getting a guy,
New York's getting a guy, Indiana's young getting a guy. Yeah,
Milwaukee's the only team that's bringing back the band. Everybody
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else is getting new players. Philadelphia has got cap space
and three first round pick. Yeah, so here's my question, grated.
So Philadelphia is the question. So they're gonna get better potentially.
I believe you have to go embiads the two, maybe
Max he's the three or whatever. Tobias Harris is gone.
So what do they need? I think it's a conversation
about what em beat is realistically. Yeah, I mean, it's
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like saying this. It's why I always said it's in
college football. There were years when the SEC was rolling.
The fourth best team in the SEC would win the
Big Twelve. Yeah, okay, I'm not sure Philadelphia the last
two years would win a single Western Conference playoff series.
So let's not give it into that they were close.
The East is bad and should be significantly better next year. Yeah,
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so what is Philly gonna do? What do they need?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Would they they need? Again? I feel like I just
said it. They need a Drew Holiday more than anything.
They more than anything. They need a point guard.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now, not a shooter, just like a mic a guy
who's going.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
To organize the floor.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Okay, okay, right right?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That would that would make them massively different. Okay, so
you start there and and Tyrese Maxey is not a
point guard. No, he's a shooting guard. Shooting and ideally
i'd like a big like Paul George has been talked
about with Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But that's not what I mean. He'd be a much
better Tobias Harris. You have a third star. But who's
running the offense?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Exactly, Phoenixes.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
We got a bunch of scores. Who's running the offense,
by the way, that's the Clippers pre hardened who's running
the offense? Well, look, Paul.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
George can be a great deal. Like defensively, I'd love
to see him. Imagine Paul George guarding Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Rather than how I feel about he and I say this,
I think Paul George is the most underwritted player in
the league.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
He talent, why, yes, I mean, but he's never fully
harnessed it. And what I don't want is I do
not want him making.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Decisions like that. That that undermined.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That is undermined the Clippers more often than not, is
they put the ball in his hands at the end
of games and he decides I'm going to try to
win the game.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He decides I'm going to take a tougher shot than
I need to, and it often goes okay. So this
is the Darvin Ham. We went and looked it up
this morning. Since the Lakers have come to Los Angeles
nineteen sixty sixty one, okay, they've had twenty five coaches
if you count an interim. Three had been home runs,
Bill Sharmon, pat Riley, Phil Jackson, West had Vogel one.
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They ran him out of town. It's a hard It's
like the Yankees. It's a huge brand. Expectations are not
only high, they move into delusional. Since Phil Jackson left,
it's kind of embarrassing. I mean, Darvin Ham two years,
they wanted him gone after one, Mike Brown one and
a half, Dantoni one and a half, Luke Walton three.
They wanted him gone by the trade deadline of the
second year. So it's like, my take is if I
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could get Billy Donovan, who I think is a really
good coach, but nobody talks about it. They don't mention
him enough among the good coaches. I think he's had
really tough NBA situations. But I also think this what's
who wants this job? This is not a rich ownership group.
Balmer will pay nine million to keep ty Loo, They'll
pay two two eight. Who are you getting?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah? No, and who are you getting? That is going
to solve the riddle of your roster, And that is
going to work with a thirty nine year old Lebron James.
I mean, look, we give I'm just stunned by how
we give Lebron a complete pass because the numbers look good,
but they're not winning numbers anymore. And Lebron literally checks
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himself in and out of games. How as a head coach,
are you not? Is your authority not compromised in that situation?
And look, was Darvin perfect? Not by any stretch, but
the vast majority I would say, at least twenty to
twenty five of the coaches in the league. They're going
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to coach your roster to whatever your roster is. If
it's a good roster, you're going to have a good record.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
If you have a bad roster, you're going to have
a bad record. They're not going the Eric Spolstra By
the way, Eric spolsterra if not for a blizzard of threes,
got crushed four times against Boston and he didn't have
the personnel.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Exactly exactly and Spoe, but Spoe coached you to a win,
and Spoe coached a team that didn't have time. I mean,
Tyler Harroes, arguably your third best player, missed half the season.
Jimmy Butler plays less than sixty games. You're basically bam
out of bio and a bunch of undrafted guys, and
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he got you to the playoffs. Like that's what That's
what Eric Spolster can do. That's why he was my
Coach of the Year. But the Eric Spolsters, there's there's
like three or.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Four of them. I always said this when I listen.
I used to I always poke Bill Simmons at this.
He would just eat coaches alive. And I'm like, it's
an eighty two game season. Yeah, there are times that
you're resting guys when you should play him for it
could be a girlfriend. It's not in your control, it's
not in your agents now call coaches. So in my
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other takeways, this like Andy Reid whenever I hear local
radio guy banging on play calling, Yeah, okay, you you
understand that they go into a game in the NFL
hiding injuries. Belichick spent his career not telling you who
is healthy or hurt. So there are times you go
into a game you cannot use certain situational groups. Guys
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aren't healthy, but it's not out there, and so you're
looking at film and you're like, why doesn't that guy play?
Why aren't you because he's hurt, And the coach doesn't
let you know he's hurt because he doesn't want you
to know going into a game. We can't run the
ball on third down. So when I look at the
NBA coaches, my take is, find me the coach outside
of the seventies in the NBA when there wasn't a
great team but a bunch of good ones, Sonics, Blazer Sixers.
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Find me the coach who takes average rosters and wins
it makes them great. Find me one.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And here's the thing. This is what the average fan
does not understand about coaching, particularly in the NBA. They
think you just have a free hand to play whoever
you want, whatever lineups you want, whatever rotations you want,
like it's all up to the coach. And they're like, well,
why is he playing this guy or why isn't this
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guy playing more minutes or whatever? And it's always in hindsight,
like when something doesn't work. You have agents that you're
trying to keep happy. Your GM has certain guys that
he's drafted that he wants to be featured. You have
stars who are like, I don't like, don't put me
on the floor with this guy, or we're running this
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when I'm out there.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Or Lebron checks himself out of games.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
It is like you do not have a free hand.
And so to look at Darvin Ham and say, man,
he didn't.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Utilize this process. You know this is better than anybody crazy.
Think about this, Think about how successful Steve Kerr is
as a human being. Yeah, college basketball player of no.
Yep one, Michael Jordan a few games, Bulls best team ever,
Yeah go, becomes I think as good at broadcaster as
the league's had. He was hysterically funny and brilliant. Becomes
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a GM. That's fine, but it's impossible to be a GM.
People didn't like the shack move whatever. Then becomes a
brilliant coach. Steve Kerr, who I covered in Portland is
the is the smartest guy I've ever covered. And that
includes Chris Dudley, who became the governor of Oregon from
the Blazers. So Kerr succeeded everywhere. If I have to
hear another Warrior fan talking about you didn't play Wiseman, Yeah,
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that's the most.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You didn't develop the young guys. You developed Andrew Wiggins
into a star player, developed Jordan Poole into a star player.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, go bad Pool is now that he's in Washington,
people like so the And by the way, Kurrl also
has power. But even Steve current timeouts. Yeah, you watch
psychologically how he allows the players to make decisions by
sort of nudging them in the direction to empower the player.
Steve's like brilliant at that. The players all think, you know,
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I came up with that idea, and it was Steve
moving you the decision which is the right one. That's
a big deal in the NBA, and.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You have This is what I really don't understand from
Warriors fans who love Steph Curry and love Klay Thompson
and love Draymond Green, who do those three love as
their head coach? It's Steve Kerr. There's a reason that
they signed Steve Kerr to two more years and thirty
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five million dollars is because it's not just the x's
and o's, which working under Phil and Pop he has
to the nth degree. It's that he understands the emotional
quotient of taking a team over practically a decade and
keeping them motivated and on the beam and believing that
they can win. Like you can't put a price on that,
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Well you can. It's thirty five million for two years, right,
And that's what and that's what the war that's what
some Warriors fans want to get rid of it.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
And I hate the bag.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
It's not all Warriors that. There's just some loud fans
out there, Lakers fans, Warriors fans who think they know better.
And anytime they say, well, I don't know why he
did that, you know what, you don't get a.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Vote, then I listen. Darvin Ham's not perfect. He has
weird rotations. You can't have Austin Reeves and Lebron both
off the floor because those are your two playmakers.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
He made mistakes, yeah, you know that.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
There were times I would be like, you can't have
Lebron and Austin on the bench. You have no playmakers
on this team. You have shooters, defenders late, you have
no playmakers. It's not perfect, but they played Denver as
well as anybody in the league plays Denver.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And you ran Look, you ran into the eventual champions
last year, and you ran into the defending champions this year.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It happens.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Who just happened. It's a little bit honestly, it's a
little bit like Phoenix. Like Phoenix might still be. They
ran into the absolute worst team that they could run into.
Sometimes it happens. That's not the coach's fault.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Auburn for years kept running through coaches during Saban's run,
and it's like you did beat them like every third year. Yeah,
that was better than anybody else was doing.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
By the way, the continuity, I mean you need anything.
As an example, the Denver Nuggets went through their lumps
with Mike Malone.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Right four years we had this discussion you can't win
big with Jokich. It was a four year to discuss
three or four year discussion you.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Have, like there is something about continuity, and continuity includes your.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Coach Rick Buger.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
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Speaker 1 (23:31):
Right, Jmac busy, busy time of the year.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I was happy to see Rick not take any unnecessary
jabs at Lebron. You know that's his thing. Him and
Lebron have a blood feud if you will do the
Lakers fans think that. I don't know. I think people
think I'm like a Lebron apologist, and you know, I'm
just a realist. We talked about this, like, I get it.
He's the goat. Okay, he hasn't been perfect, but yeah,
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what he's done for this time, well he is twenty
one years.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
No, it's great. He is an older goat though, and
there are things that change as the goat ages. Even
the greatest goats get old, so as they change. The
hardest part for Lebron is and a Brady is you're great,
you're wealthy, the legacy is set, and there are some
things you want, Like Bruce arians was a good coach.
He wore Tom out. Tom's like, let's move him upstairs.
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Like it's okay, I mean, it's it's I think what
happens is it doesn't matter what industry you're in. Once
you become established a star, a legacy, you're wealthy, Belichick's
the same thing. It's not the ego. It's just you're
not your standard is your standard, and you're not gonna
settle for certain things like Belichick's like, I'm not gonna
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deal with disruptive players. Now it was part of his undoing. Brady,
I'm not gonna fight over control of the offense. Bruce,
I know what I'm doing. I got rings. You don't
have as many Lebron James, Like, I'm gonna tech check
myself out. I know when I need to be out.
So I think it's not. The reality is there's certain places,
once you've established you deal with a lot of crap
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in life to be successful.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, or you.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Could just quit like Michael Jordan did twice. It's like
I'm out, I'm done, I'm quitting.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But everybody does. The most famous you could be Beyonce,
you could be the biggest music star. Everybody deals with
crap even when you're a star. But when you become
cemented and the net worth is two hundred and three
hundred dollars, then you get to a point where Okay,
I'm I'm not gonna deal with that anymore. I'm not
saying life's perfect, but there's certain annoyances that I'm not
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gonna deal with, and I think everybody in every industry
reaches that I'm not dealing with the annoyances because life's
got a You're full of them.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And I'm assuming by annoyance you mean Darvin Ham and
Lebron right now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Just like like Brady and Arians. It's like, Bruce, I
got this. This is what I do, and I've done
it better than anybody. I got the offense. And so
I think Belichick at times war time out because he
didn't get offense. And then he went to Arians, who
really gets offense. But Tom's like, I got this part
of the sport, like I know this, and I think
that's justified based on his history. And Belichick decided, I'm
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not going to draft certain guys that are paying in
the butt. I want to coach who I want to coach.
And he got away with that for years, but then
it caught up with him. Is he had nice guys,
but he didn't have enough talent.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
But it was like Lebron checking himself into the game.
That's no different than Tom Brady saying I got this,
I got this, Bruce were good. Yeah, I'm not letting
the league go, I'm checking myself back in. Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, well people I think struggle with that. But in
an eighty two game season, and Lebron understands Lebron's not
a rookie head coach, or he understands like, you need
me back in now. I mean, there were times with
Darvin that he there were some things I would watch
and I tend to watch offense more than defense, and
there were times I'm like, you got to get this
guy off the floor and this guy off the floor.
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And there were times I didn't think Lebron liked to
play with Kyle Kuzma, Ord'angelo Russell. I can literally watch
him and I could see I remember when Lebron played
with Mario Chalmers and Mario just made a ton of
mistakes you can't make with Lebron, and Lebron would chew
him out in the sideline. Lebron didn't like playing with
Mario or Kuzma or d Low. And he'll say the
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nice things in public, but Lebron's playing cognitively at a
very high level. Same with Brady. I got, hey, Aaron
Rodgers and Brady don't like young receivers. Know your routes.
I got to memorize the playbook. Know your routes, so,
and I understand that Aaron's it a part. Now. It's
like I got my money, I got my legacy. Know
your routes. So I've always said that I've always been
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fair with Aaron. He didn't love young receivers either, did Tom?
I mean we always say the Patriots couldn't draft receivers.
Was it that or Tom didn't want to deal with
the young receivers. Go get me Randy Moss, Go get
me Welker that's in Miami and knows the sport. Yeah,
jmck with a.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
News, no turns. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Let's start in the NFL. Let's go back to that Vikings.
They've traded up from eleven to ten in the draft
to get JJ McCarty. According to an anonymous NFL executive,
he was not a fan of the move, saying, I
can buy treating some future picks if you're going to
be contending, and if you're going to be get a
potential starter, but the Vikings are not even close to contending,
I would not be doing that. The Vikings sent eleven
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three picks basically the Jets for two to move up
one the Jet. We're not taking McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
By the way, this is our argument earlier. If you
like somebody, draft him. This guy is getting into the
argument about value. It's a quarterback. You don't have a
franchise quarterback. Go get one. Go look what the Texans
gave up for a rush end first seconds third. This
is somebody that's too consumed with value. Go get good players.
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I mean, I mean, everybody's got Jimmy Johnson's draft chart,
and you don't want to get taken to the cleaners.
But if you need a guy, get a guy now.
You don't want to get a guy in the top
of the second who was available years ago. A couple
of years ago, Belichick drafted a guard I think in
the second. The Rams made fun of it after the draft,
saying we were thinking about drafting him late in the third.
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Like they over drafted a guy who's a good player.
But he would have been available around later they could
have had another player.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I mean, listen this whole If you like a guy,
go get him. Thing that goes back to the process
results thing like okay, the guy may pan out, but
like giving up draft capital to move up one spot
with McCarthy and then later giving up more draft capitol
to go six spots to get Dallas Turner.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, but you, by the way, last year Texans got
a quarterback in a rush in change the franchise. Those
are time five but okay. And also the Minnesota Vikings
are not the Texans. They've got a roster, they've been
winning for years. This is not a crappy franchise. This
is a well owned franchise. Texans were a mess. They
took big swings and they hit on boat.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I know.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
But we talked it like, if you give me six
draft picks and you get two, I'm almost certainly going
to get more better players than you are because your
margin for error with just two guys is tiny. Mine
with six because I got more picks is wider.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Right, But if your scouting department believes in something, then
get it done. I mean you have to trust your scouts.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Scene the scouting departments around league, they don't know Jack Squatt,
Tom Brady's a sixth round pick. Well, Rock Brady goes
dead last.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Blah blah blah. The greatest players in league history are
overwhelmingly first and second.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Round Okay, fine, Tank Dell, you can go down the list.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Those are not all time great players. They had really
good early success. Let's take a deep breath. You know,
you go look at where Jerry Rice and Calvin Johnson
and Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald they're drafted again. There's
plenty of talent everywhere. I think a lot of Puka
Nikoua's excellence is Matt Stafford and Sean McVay. I think
if you put him in Carolina, nobody'd be talking about
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he'd be a good player. He wouldn't be that. Cooper
Cupp is a third rounder from the Harvard of the
Pollute Eastern Washington. He's very good. The Chargers and the
Rams both we're going to draft him. But if you
gave him Carolina situation instead of McVeigh and Stafford, do
you think it'd be the same.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
You think Travis wouldn't they wouldn't you think Travis Kelcey,
Let's just say this. You think Travis Kelsey with the
Jets quarterbacks mess over the years would be Daton Taylor Swift.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
You think Patrick Mahomes without Andy Reid would be a
great one.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
He's the best quarterback talent we've ever seen. He would win.
He wouldn't win this much, but he would win. He
wouldn't win, But I'm saying Travis Kelcey on the Jets
is not is not dating Taylor Swift. He's a handsome guy,
but it would be a different.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Russell Wilson was in Seattle and he started dating Ciarra,
the singer. Right.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Well, Taylor Swift's the biggest global superstift. Nothing against Sierra
I'm talking about. I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I'm just you can live anywhere and pull a super celebrity. Okay, whatever, Okay,
sorry for putting Taylor Swift in her category. Next up,
you're not gonna like this. So Aaron Donald obviously retired
this offseason, huge blow to the Rams defense, which was
very mid this season. But an appearance on the Rich
Eisenschow Your Buddy Rams gm less Sneed was holding out
(32:21):
hope they could coax Aaron Donald out of retirement. Amid
a playoff run.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
I did mention the Aaron that, let's call it going
back to our Super Bowl run, that there was a
player by the name of Eric Weddle who kind of
you know, jumped in the playoffs, and we signed him
too the practice squad and he was standard. Elevated him
for four straight games to a Super Bowl championship. So
I did mention if we if we happen to get
to the playoffs again, maybe we'll circle back and see,
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you know, if.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
The cup's not quite Phil. So that's just room. I
doubt Aaron's gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Wouldn't that be something Kobe Turner Bryden Fish from Florida
State gared versus Young.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
We looked up the Rams defense last year, their bottom
half of the league in most defensive categories, and now
they lose Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You did this last year, little mister four win Ram.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
I didn't say four, but you just a bit outside
as men.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
What did I tell you? This is a quarterback coach league.
If you have McVay and Stafford, you're not in a rebuild.
If Matt's playing, they're too good, you may not be great.
They were a call of Puka Nakua call from getting
to the NFC championship in a rebuilding. What was my
number one over bet last year? It was the Rams.
(33:42):
You did hit the Ram And the year before my
number one over bet was the Vikings and I've already
got another over bet. I'm not giving it away on
a Friday?
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Is that a wager?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Wednesday Friday? This time of the year.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Wait, wait, it's your number one over bet next season? No?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, last two years? Vikings? Ram Daddy, can I get one?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Guy?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Daddy bought it jet Ski one.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Guess you'll confirm it if it's accurate? A right Atlanta Falcons? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Is are you done?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
We're not done. I'm on fire today?
Speaker 5 (34:13):
All right?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Final story?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Oh, hey, Darvin AM's future with the Lakers obviously in peril.
There's a report he could be dusted today. I find
that highly unlikely. Tyleru has been floated, but JJ Reddick
has come up a lot. JJ Redicks never coached the NBA.
In an appearance on the Gilbert Arenas podcast, former NBA
baller Rashad McCants, who went to UNC played with the
Timberwolves now said that Lebron and Reddicks podcast venture is
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a way for Lebron to groom Reddick to be the
next coach of the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That's very Oh.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
I thought we had audio, but we do.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
We do not.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
It's real. It's it's a pretty nice job by.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
We can't putting it together. What we say when guys
go to the Olympics together, some of those guys they
want of those old guys want to go to the
Olympics so they can talk to the young star who's
got options.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
And if you spend a few minutes listening to Lebron
and Reddick a lot of x's and o's drawing up plays,
it's not just general.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
No no, no, no, no, it's it's very uh schematic. You
can tell Lebron trust his intellect vice.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Versa, almost like there's an agenda here. I think Reddick
is so smart to fall for being groomed by the way.
I don't like that phrase.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well, I don't think I think jj Reddick. I think
he's smart enough to understand the temperature in the room,
which is Lebron. This is a really good rumor, this one.
This is not a conspiracy theory. I buy this toll
borderline conspiracy theory. Now this one I buy and I
don't buy conspiracy theory. This is not a conspiracy theory.
This has happened.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
So genie Bus and Polinka Or have already been pushing
back against the whole clutch sports and becoming, you know,
the Laker clutches or whatever. I find it hard to
believe that Genie bus is gonna hire Lebron's podcast co
host to be the head coach of the Lakers. That's
just that's a bridge to far from it. I can't
buy that.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
No, come on, I think JJ Reddick is more than
a podcast Coche first podcasting.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
With Lebron like two months ago, and now he's a
coach of the Lakers. I think that's not a great
look for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I mean, remember Rob Polinka did hire Kobe's agent to
be the GM. I mean, Jeanie did. Genie hired Kobe's
agent to be GM that she has she views it
as family. Rob Polinka became family because she had dealt
with Rob Polenka so much with Kobe that she figured
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at he's kind of family anywhere there Rob's in the building.
Plus he looks like Rob Lowe. What could go wrong?
So I think I think in this situation, if Lebron's like,
we trust him, we know him. Lakers talk about family
all the time.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
They know, blaming the coach. If if this happens, you
can't blame the coach. Next year, you blameing one guy
on time.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Man, that's the Lakers. You can always blame.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Lebron wanted to be Ann picked him.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
By the way, Reddick out here in LA would be
all for my men's league team.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
He's already lived out here.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
I think he's a Brooklyn guy.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, but he's lived out here before. I saw him
at the grocery store one time in whole Food.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Will he hoop with me?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Nobody wants to hoop with you. You try to get
Paul Pearson, JJ Reddick on your teeth. Well, they have
their busy people now of the summer, aren't they.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, I think JJ's probably got a few things going
on the podcast. Jmck with the news.
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Speaker 1 (39:23):
According to sources, the exchange between Patrick Beverly and one
of the fans in ind escalated when the Bucks were
breaking the huddle Thursday night. In a fan yelled can
coon on three? That got him worked up. It's like,
that's not even funny. It's like a cliche. NBA is
looking into Beverly's exchange with fans in game and media
(39:45):
post gamers or so some vanyel can coon on three
that that's it, that got you worked up? I mean
you got to grow up. Yeah, that's that's embarrassing. So
and for the record, by and large, the NBA media
is very pro player, and they were clobber and Beverly
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last night, the media.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
So Colin couldn't. I looked at the video twice. There's
not one security guard, right, behind the team. Bitch, can't
get the league do that at a minimum. And again
I'm not defending Beverly at all. Just get one security
to guard there. That's it. One guy between the fan.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And the team.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
One security guard.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Owners got owners? A billionaire? Does herb Simon still own it?
Is that?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
I mean, one security guard would hear this and be like, dude,
you got to chill out. That's unacceptable. Now, one, two,
three can coun is not bad? That's not bad. There
has to be something besides that, right, that's not gonna
I mean, Beverly's not that thin skinned. I know podcasters
are thin skinned, but Beverly's not that bad. He's a podcaster.
Now he's not an NBA player.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Well, he may be done being an NBA player. That's why.
How long would you suspend I mean, he's obviously a year.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
I think that's a bit much.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
But how about suspend him until twenty five All.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Star Game, twenty five games?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Thirty?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, gotta nip stuff in the nip stuff in the bud,
right real quick?
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Do you let this stuff fester? Yeah, it's gonna get
worse going on going forward.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, And for the record, like I fans to me
are way over the top too often. Yeah, so I'm
not a fan of it.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
It was Thursday night in Indianapolis. I mean, these guys
are probably lubricated behind the bench, you know, six beers in.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
No, No, that's not you know, when I go to
NBA games, I'm always shocked by how few fans actually
do drink. They're into the games.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Well, you go to Laker games, it's different.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
It's like, oh, go to Bulls games. I've been to
Suns games.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Do they drink at Chicago? I've been.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
There's kind of a drinking city. But when I go
to the games, fans are I mean that may be
an occasional beer. You'll spot. Fans are watching the games.
Fans are engaged. So let's not let's not paint Indie
fans is all, uh yeah, I mean, you know, it's
just cankun on three doesn't rise to inflammatory
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yesterday on the show, we were talking about something San Francisco.
The Niners went and drafted two wide receivers, one and
the fourth, one of the first and there is speculation.
I think it's pretty well founded. They're gonna move Debo
and Brandon Iyuk. I suggested in camp, see if the
guys can play, and you grimace, so did t J. Huschmanzada.
We'll get to that second. But it's an interesting thought piece,
(01:02):
like what do you do with this? So I was
thinking about this this morning. Sometimes we get too caught
up in value. If you need something, you need something,
go pay for it. The number one goal in the
NFL is win the super Bowl. The number two goal
is get the players that can win the Super Bowl.
And if brought Pretty's your quarterback, you need some great
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around him. Oh what value And that draft pick Michael Pennix,
We could have used a linebacker. Penix is more important.
Get him. I wouldn't worry too much about value on stuff.
Nice stuff costs money. Jerry Jones has a great quote.
I want to read it here. It's a great quote,
and I think about this often. And he's a he
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was a wildcat or an oil guy. People thought he
overpaid for the Cowboys. He said, the truth is most
anything that I've ever been involved with in the end
that ended up being special, I overpaid for anytime I've
tried to get a bargain, That's what I got. A
bargain in a lot of ways and not up to standard.
(02:07):
You get what you pay for. When the Houston Texans
gave up a ton to get Will Anderson first, second, third, oh,
everybody got precious. Will Anderson won Rookie Defensive Player of
the Year. He's great. So San Francisco's got currently a
very old roster. It's a really old roster. Almost all
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their great players. Outside of Hafunga the safety, almost all
of them are old or at least like Fred Warner. Later,
prime linebackers age pretty quick. And so TJ. Houshmanzada when
I suggested move Debo or move Brandon Aiyuk, here's what
he said.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You can't get rid of them during a training count
because you are a Super Bowl contender. You can't get
rid of one of your best offensive players. I don't
think you can do that. That would really tear the
locker room with part. Guys would be pissed off if
you do that, they'd be angry.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I mean, listen, people don't go to the theater as
much as they used to, but they went there for
Barbie Oppenheimer and Mission Impossible. They're great, great gets people
do with theater. Good doesn't. So the bottom line is,
i Uk is great, Deebo is great, and it's hard
to find it. And this is an old roster, And
so I think TJ. Hushman's at is right, and I'm
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wrong to suggest, Hey, let's see if the guys can play,
and if they can play, let's move them. You're probably
just best keeping them. It's an old roster it's munge
old guys, and it's also old guys that get banged up.
They lost that linebacker didn't even get hit last year.
Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Deebo, Samuel George Kittle, who funk
(03:49):
as a young guy got hurt. He was getting hurt
occasionally at USC. So I think I was wrong on that.
I think TJ. Hushman's at is right. I think the
way to do it if you're in this short window.
And I said this early year, and I don't think J.
Mack believe me, but I feel like last year was
the best of what we're gonna see. I do not
think you can keep asking Christian McCaffrey to get two
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hundred and fifty touches. Like, I feel like this is
a baseball team and the staff is going to have
some arm fatigue at some point, and they were very
healthy at the end of the year. They got all
their guys mostly healthy except the safety. I'm like, I
don't know if you can do that again. Like I
feel that the Chiefs are doing something very rare. They're great,
and they're still ascending because the young defense. I think,
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like the Niners have hit it, and you're gonna start
seeing a little more injuries. So I think think TJ's
I think TJ's right on that. Rick Buker's right a lot.
He is now joining us live. Rick Buker is the
NBA playoffs. It feels like the more they change, the
more they say stay the same. The Sixers are out,
(04:51):
Kawi's not playing, Lebron wants a new coach the NBA.
I want to start with something though, I want to
get this right out of the way. Yeah, so the
Patrick Beverly situation, Yes, okay. So one of the things
we talked about this yesterday. If you've been damaged verbal
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abuse or anything when you're young, it stays with it forever.
You can go to therapy for one hundred years, you
don't forget it, and it stays with you. The NBA
malice in the Palace is still very much hovering emotionally,
and that is why they are so quick that little
fans out of games in the NBA, they are so
(05:32):
quick to get a heck, NFL doesn't, Baseball doesn't, MLS doesn't.
And I think two things hover over this league. Tim
donaghe that's why they do replays. CCC we made a mistake.
We're aware of the mistake. You guys want to see
the mistake. And I think, yeah, this moment by Pat
Bev scares the hell out of the league.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, it does. But I wouldn't attribute it necessarily to
malice in the palace as much as I would the
intimacy between players and fans and going back at each
other through social media. It's now become something where you
used to have that wall, you used to have that separation,
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and now you see it. I mean you see it
with Russell Westbrook. You see players now picking out fans
and saying I want them out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
We never had that before.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
The fans were sacri saying you didn't you as a
player never interacted with them in any way. Well, now
through social media, there's all this interaction. There's going back
and forth, there's videos, there's and and I believe that
players and fans have gotten have become comfortable going at
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each other, and so now we're seeing it in real life.
I believe that's what should scare the NBA, because I
and what would you do professional sports? Honestly, and I
hate to do this to.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And there's a suspension, for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I would suspend them for a year. I just I
do not think that there is any way that it's
acceptable you throw it, not once, but twice.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Well, also, this has been talked about with a Rodman
or a Draymon. Yeah, you do look at the resume. Yeah,
I mean this is one thing. If it was Steve
Kerr did that with a fan, you'd be like, what happened? Yes, Yes,
it's different if Draymond does something, or Pat Bev or
Westbrook You're like, okay, we have kind of a repeat. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And it's one thing to go back and forth. It's
another thing. It's a completely different thing to get physical
and to throw. I mean, it is unconscionable to me
that he's throwing. He's throwing a basketball at people on
the stands, not once twice, but twice at close range.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I know it is.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It is so unacceptable that I have to and that's why,
you know, I mean, suspending him for a year potentially
ends his career. But to me, that's the message that
needs to be had, that has to be sent.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, I also said, it's just I think about it.
Jason Tatum doesn't taunt fans. So I I went to
watch Jason Tatum and sat court side. Yeah, fans didn't
taunt him. I mean, it was your typical you're not
getting it, man, you're right, right, right, but he doesn't
bring it on right.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And but you know what, Look, one of the things
that I love about the NBA and always have is
is the intimate the showmanship and that the fans are
right there and that you can engage and that you
would have you know, going back to Robert Robin Thicker
in Washington and there was Golden State used to have
two guys on the on the corner on the court,
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on the court and they would talk trash, but it
was it was good natured trash, and they would do
their homework and they would pick it guys. And you'd
see guys like standing at the free throw line and
they'd be trying to hide a smile because these guys
really had some wit, right this That to me, that
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that that those exchanges, that back and forth, that talking
trash or I mean, if you're a fan and you
know that so and so has heard you and they
look at you after they hit a three, that's part
of the that's.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Part of the fun. Kobe was totally different. Yeah, Kobe
Bryant would have some playful momentary.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean that's what you you. You don't get
that in football or baseball because you're so far removed
from from the action and from the players. They can
literally land in your lap, and and that I want
to preserve that, right, I don't want to lose that.
I mean, back way back, back, back, back back back,
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when the game first started, they were called Cager's because
they were literally they'd have chain link fence between between
the fans and the players because they didn't want anything
to get out of control.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
The Villanova can win a national championship in college basketball
without having superstars or just but in the NBA there's
almost an understanding you can't be to Lucas centric or
Braylan Jylen Brunson centric. You got to have multiple guys.
So I do think there's a ceiling to the Knicks.
(10:19):
But it did feel like Villanova beat the Sixers last
night eighty points, thirty assists or close to it. So
if you bring in another piece, yep, this isn't just
a typical locker room Tibbs is the coach, Villanova's the vibe. Yep,
you've got to get the right piece. A lot of
times with Lebron, it's just get him a shooter on
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the way, right, we'll figure it out. That's not the Knicks.
It was a little like Brooklyn years ago when they
had good chemistry. They bought in Kyrie and KD. The
chemistry went like, that's what they had the Knicks for
a lot of chemistry and effort. Who fits is the two?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Oh well they it would be he's not available.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
But the.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's a Drew Holiday personality. It's somebody will plays a role,
willing to defend you. The problem with the Villanova guys
is they're all six ' four.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
How about Paul George? Paul George.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Potentially because I don't think he's a personality that need
to be the guy. He doesn't need to be the guy.
Is he a Tibbs guy? Because Tims is going to
ask him to be on point and play harder night
after night, possession after possession than he ever has.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Part of why this works is because they are Villanova guys. Yeah,
they were coached hard by Jay Wright and they are overachievers.
They're grinders. Gibbs has struggled at times with stars.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yes, yeah, because he and making adjustments and putting guys
in their sweet spot, and stars expect you to sort
of cater to their games. That's never That's been the
strength and the weakness of Tips and it's why I
wondered whether he would get past a Nick Nurse coached
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Philly team because Nick Nurse has that ability, and I
believe it's why that series was as competitive as it was,
because you had a compromised Joel.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Embiid Like you always compromise, okay, but spec I mean
you have a compromise Kawhi two.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Months off, two months off, and you have a week
to get ready for playoff intensity. I'm anybody who's blaming Embiid.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, I think you're You're not a blame situation. It's
a let's be honest. He's a great two. I don't
think he has the temperament, the fourth quarter ability, the
history with injuries. The East has never been weaker. Everybody's better,
that's true, that's true. Everybody's best. Orlando's getting a guy,
New York's getting a guy, Indiana's young getting a guy. Yeah,
Milwaukee's the only team that's bringing back the band. Everybody
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else is getting new players. Philadelphia has got cap space
and three first round pick. Yeah, so here's my question, grated.
So Philadelphia is the question. So they're gonna get better potentially.
I believe you have to go embiads the two, maybe
Max he's the three or whatever. Tobias Harris is gone.
So what do they need? I think it's a conversation
about what em beat is realistically. Yeah, I mean, it's
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like saying this. It's why I always said it's in
college football. There were years when the SEC was rolling.
The fourth best team in the SEC would win the
Big Twelve. Yeah, okay, I'm not sure Philadelphia the last
two years would win a single Western Conference playoff series.
So let's not give it into that they were close.
The East is bad and should be significantly better next year. Yeah,
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so what is Philly gonna do? What do they need?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Would they they need? Again? I feel like I just
said it. They need a Drew Holiday more than anything.
They more than anything. They need a point guard.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now, not a shooter, just like a mic a guy
who's going.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
To organize the floor.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Okay, okay, right right?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That would that would make them massively different. Okay, so
you start there and and Tyrese Maxey is not a
point guard. No, he's a shooting guard. Shooting and ideally
i'd like a big like Paul George has been talked
about with Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But that's not what I mean. He'd be a much
better Tobias Harris. You have a third star. But who's
running the offense?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Exactly, Phoenixes.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
We got a bunch of scores. Who's running the offense,
by the way, that's the Clippers pre hardened who's running
the offense? Well, look, Paul.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
George can be a great deal. Like defensively, I'd love
to see him. Imagine Paul George guarding Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Rather than how I feel about he and I say this,
I think Paul George is the most underwritted player in
the league.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
He talent, why, yes, I mean, but he's never fully
harnessed it. And what I don't want is I do
not want him making.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Decisions like that. That that undermined.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That is undermined the Clippers more often than not, is
they put the ball in his hands at the end
of games and he decides I'm going to try to
win the game.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He decides I'm going to take a tougher shot than
I need to, and it often goes okay. So this
is the Darvin Ham. We went and looked it up
this morning. Since the Lakers have come to Los Angeles
nineteen sixty sixty one, okay, they've had twenty five coaches
if you count an interim. Three had been home runs,
Bill Sharmon, pat Riley, Phil Jackson, West had Vogel one.
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They ran him out of town. It's a hard It's
like the Yankees. It's a huge brand. Expectations are not
only high, they move into delusional. Since Phil Jackson left,
it's kind of embarrassing. I mean, Darvin Ham two years,
they wanted him gone after one, Mike Brown one and
a half, Dantoni one and a half, Luke Walton three.
They wanted him gone by the trade deadline of the
second year. So it's like, my take is if I
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could get Billy Donovan, who I think is a really
good coach, but nobody talks about it. They don't mention
him enough among the good coaches. I think he's had
really tough NBA situations. But I also think this what's
who wants this job? This is not a rich ownership group.
Balmer will pay nine million to keep ty Loo, They'll
pay two two eight. Who are you getting?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah? No, and who are you getting? That is going
to solve the riddle of your roster, And that is
going to work with a thirty nine year old Lebron James.
I mean, look, we give I'm just stunned by how
we give Lebron a complete pass because the numbers look good,
but they're not winning numbers anymore. And Lebron literally checks
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himself in and out of games. How as a head coach,
are you not? Is your authority not compromised in that situation?
And look, was Darvin perfect? Not by any stretch, but
the vast majority I would say, at least twenty to
twenty five of the coaches in the league. They're going
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to coach your roster to whatever your roster is. If
it's a good roster, you're going to have a good record.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
If you have a bad roster, you're going to have
a bad record. They're not going the Eric Spolstra By
the way, Eric spolsterra if not for a blizzard of threes,
got crushed four times against Boston and he didn't have
the personnel.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Exactly exactly and Spoe, but Spoe coached you to a win,
and Spoe coached a team that didn't have time. I mean,
Tyler Harroes, arguably your third best player, missed half the season.
Jimmy Butler plays less than sixty games. You're basically bam
out of bio and a bunch of undrafted guys, and
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he got you to the playoffs. Like that's what That's
what Eric Spolster can do. That's why he was my
Coach of the Year. But the Eric Spolsters, there's there's
like three or.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Four of them. I always said this when I listen.
I used to I always poke Bill Simmons at this.
He would just eat coaches alive. And I'm like, it's
an eighty two game season. Yeah, there are times that
you're resting guys when you should play him for it
could be a girlfriend. It's not in your control, it's
not in your agents now call coaches. So in my
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other takeways, this like Andy Reid whenever I hear local
radio guy banging on play calling, Yeah, okay, you you
understand that they go into a game in the NFL
hiding injuries. Belichick spent his career not telling you who
is healthy or hurt. So there are times you go
into a game you cannot use certain situational groups. Guys
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aren't healthy, but it's not out there, and so you're
looking at film and you're like, why doesn't that guy play?
Why aren't you because he's hurt, And the coach doesn't
let you know he's hurt because he doesn't want you
to know going into a game. We can't run the
ball on third down. So when I look at the
NBA coaches, my take is, find me the coach outside
of the seventies in the NBA when there wasn't a
great team but a bunch of good ones, Sonics, Blazer Sixers.
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Find me the coach who takes average rosters and wins
it makes them great. Find me one.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And here's the thing. This is what the average fan
does not understand about coaching, particularly in the NBA. They
think you just have a free hand to play whoever
you want, whatever lineups you want, whatever rotations you want,
like it's all up to the coach. And they're like, well,
why is he playing this guy or why isn't this
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guy playing more minutes or whatever? And it's always in hindsight,
like when something doesn't work. You have agents that you're
trying to keep happy. Your GM has certain guys that
he's drafted that he wants to be featured. You have
stars who are like, I don't like, don't put me
on the floor with this guy, or we're running this
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when I'm out there.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Or Lebron checks himself out of games.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
It is like you do not have a free hand.
And so to look at Darvin Ham and say, man,
he didn't.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Utilize this process. You know this is better than anybody crazy.
Think about this, Think about how successful Steve Kerr is
as a human being. Yeah, college basketball player of no.
Yep one, Michael Jordan a few games, Bulls best team ever,
Yeah go, becomes I think as good at broadcaster as
the league's had. He was hysterically funny and brilliant. Becomes
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a GM. That's fine, but it's impossible to be a GM.
People didn't like the shack move whatever. Then becomes a
brilliant coach. Steve Kerr, who I covered in Portland is
the is the smartest guy I've ever covered. And that
includes Chris Dudley, who became the governor of Oregon from
the Blazers. So Kerr succeeded everywhere. If I have to
hear another Warrior fan talking about you didn't play Wiseman, Yeah,
(20:27):
that's the most.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You didn't develop the young guys. You developed Andrew Wiggins
into a star player, developed Jordan Poole into a star player.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, go bad Pool is now that he's in Washington,
people like so the And by the way, Kurrl also
has power. But even Steve current timeouts. Yeah, you watch
psychologically how he allows the players to make decisions by
sort of nudging them in the direction to empower the player.
Steve's like brilliant at that. The players all think, you know,
(20:56):
I came up with that idea, and it was Steve
moving you the decision which is the right one. That's
a big deal in the NBA, and.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You have This is what I really don't understand from
Warriors fans who love Steph Curry and love Klay Thompson
and love Draymond Green, who do those three love as
their head coach? It's Steve Kerr. There's a reason that
they signed Steve Kerr to two more years and thirty
(21:24):
five million dollars is because it's not just the x's
and o's, which working under Phil and Pop he has
to the nth degree. It's that he understands the emotional
quotient of taking a team over practically a decade and
keeping them motivated and on the beam and believing that
they can win. Like you can't put a price on that,
(21:48):
Well you can. It's thirty five million for two years, right,
And that's what and that's what the war that's what
some Warriors fans want to get rid of it.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
And I hate the bag.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
It's not all Warriors that. There's just some loud fans
out there, Lakers fans, Warriors fans who think they know better.
And anytime they say, well, I don't know why he
did that, you know what, you don't get a.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Vote, then I listen. Darvin Ham's not perfect. He has
weird rotations. You can't have Austin Reeves and Lebron both
off the floor because those are your two playmakers.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
He made mistakes, yeah, you know that.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
There were times I would be like, you can't have
Lebron and Austin on the bench. You have no playmakers
on this team. You have shooters, defenders late, you have
no playmakers. It's not perfect, but they played Denver as
well as anybody in the league plays Denver.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And you ran Look, you ran into the eventual champions
last year, and you ran into the defending champions this year.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It happens.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Who just happened. It's a little bit honestly, it's a
little bit like Phoenix. Like Phoenix might still be. They
ran into the absolute worst team that they could run into.
Sometimes it happens. That's not the coach's fault.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Auburn for years kept running through coaches during Saban's run,
and it's like you did beat them like every third year. Yeah,
that was better than anybody else was doing.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
By the way, the continuity, I mean you need anything.
As an example, the Denver Nuggets went through their lumps
with Mike Malone.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Right four years we had this discussion you can't win
big with Jokich. It was a four year to discuss
three or four year discussion you.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Have, like there is something about continuity, and continuity includes your.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Coach Rick Buger.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
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Speaker 1 (23:31):
Right, Jmac busy, busy time of the year.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I was happy to see Rick not take any unnecessary
jabs at Lebron. You know that's his thing. Him and
Lebron have a blood feud if you will do the
Lakers fans think that. I don't know. I think people
think I'm like a Lebron apologist, and you know, I'm
just a realist. We talked about this, like, I get it.
He's the goat. Okay, he hasn't been perfect, but yeah,
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what he's done for this time, well he is twenty
one years.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
No, it's great. He is an older goat though, and
there are things that change as the goat ages. Even
the greatest goats get old, so as they change. The
hardest part for Lebron is and a Brady is you're great,
you're wealthy, the legacy is set, and there are some
things you want, Like Bruce arians was a good coach.
He wore Tom out. Tom's like, let's move him upstairs.
(24:25):
Like it's okay, I mean, it's it's I think what
happens is it doesn't matter what industry you're in. Once
you become established a star, a legacy, you're wealthy, Belichick's
the same thing. It's not the ego. It's just you're
not your standard is your standard, and you're not gonna
settle for certain things like Belichick's like, I'm not gonna
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deal with disruptive players. Now it was part of his undoing. Brady,
I'm not gonna fight over control of the offense. Bruce,
I know what I'm doing. I got rings. You don't
have as many Lebron James, Like, I'm gonna tech check
myself out. I know when I need to be out.
So I think it's not. The reality is there's certain places,
once you've established you deal with a lot of crap
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in life to be successful.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, or you.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Could just quit like Michael Jordan did twice. It's like
I'm out, I'm done, I'm quitting.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But everybody does. The most famous you could be Beyonce,
you could be the biggest music star. Everybody deals with
crap even when you're a star. But when you become
cemented and the net worth is two hundred and three
hundred dollars, then you get to a point where Okay,
I'm I'm not gonna deal with that anymore. I'm not
saying life's perfect, but there's certain annoyances that I'm not
(25:37):
gonna deal with, and I think everybody in every industry
reaches that I'm not dealing with the annoyances because life's
got a You're full of them.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And I'm assuming by annoyance you mean Darvin Ham and
Lebron right now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Just like like Brady and Arians. It's like, Bruce, I
got this. This is what I do, and I've done
it better than anybody. I got the offense. And so
I think Belichick at times war time out because he
didn't get offense. And then he went to Arians, who
really gets offense. But Tom's like, I got this part
of the sport, like I know this, and I think
that's justified based on his history. And Belichick decided, I'm
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not going to draft certain guys that are paying in
the butt. I want to coach who I want to coach.
And he got away with that for years, but then
it caught up with him. Is he had nice guys,
but he didn't have enough talent.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
But it was like Lebron checking himself into the game.
That's no different than Tom Brady saying I got this,
I got this, Bruce were good. Yeah, I'm not letting
the league go, I'm checking myself back in. Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, well people I think struggle with that. But in
an eighty two game season, and Lebron understands Lebron's not
a rookie head coach, or he understands like, you need
me back in now. I mean, there were times with
Darvin that he there were some things I would watch
and I tend to watch offense more than defense, and
there were times I'm like, you got to get this
guy off the floor and this guy off the floor.
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And there were times I didn't think Lebron liked to
play with Kyle Kuzma, Ord'angelo Russell. I can literally watch
him and I could see I remember when Lebron played
with Mario Chalmers and Mario just made a ton of
mistakes you can't make with Lebron, and Lebron would chew
him out in the sideline. Lebron didn't like playing with
Mario or Kuzma or d Low. And he'll say the
(27:12):
nice things in public, but Lebron's playing cognitively at a
very high level. Same with Brady. I got, hey, Aaron
Rodgers and Brady don't like young receivers. Know your routes.
I got to memorize the playbook. Know your routes, so,
and I understand that Aaron's it a part. Now. It's
like I got my money, I got my legacy. Know
your routes. So I've always said that I've always been
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fair with Aaron. He didn't love young receivers either, did Tom?
I mean we always say the Patriots couldn't draft receivers.
Was it that or Tom didn't want to deal with
the young receivers. Go get me Randy Moss, Go get
me Welker that's in Miami and knows the sport. Yeah,
jmck with a.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
News, no turns. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Let's start in the NFL. Let's go back to that Vikings.
They've traded up from eleven to ten in the draft
to get JJ McCarty. According to an anonymous NFL executive,
he was not a fan of the move, saying, I
can buy treating some future picks if you're going to
be contending, and if you're going to be get a
potential starter, but the Vikings are not even close to contending,
I would not be doing that. The Vikings sent eleven
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three picks basically the Jets for two to move up
one the Jet. We're not taking McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
By the way, this is our argument earlier. If you
like somebody, draft him. This guy is getting into the
argument about value. It's a quarterback. You don't have a
franchise quarterback. Go get one. Go look what the Texans
gave up for a rush end first seconds third. This
is somebody that's too consumed with value. Go get good players.
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I mean, I mean, everybody's got Jimmy Johnson's draft chart,
and you don't want to get taken to the cleaners.
But if you need a guy, get a guy now.
You don't want to get a guy in the top
of the second who was available years ago. A couple
of years ago, Belichick drafted a guard I think in
the second. The Rams made fun of it after the draft,
saying we were thinking about drafting him late in the third.
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Like they over drafted a guy who's a good player.
But he would have been available around later they could
have had another player.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I mean, listen this whole If you like a guy,
go get him. Thing that goes back to the process
results thing like okay, the guy may pan out, but
like giving up draft capital to move up one spot
with McCarthy and then later giving up more draft capitol
to go six spots to get Dallas Turner.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, but you, by the way, last year Texans got
a quarterback in a rush in change the franchise. Those
are time five but okay. And also the Minnesota Vikings
are not the Texans. They've got a roster, they've been
winning for years. This is not a crappy franchise. This
is a well owned franchise. Texans were a mess. They
took big swings and they hit on boat.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I know.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
But we talked it like, if you give me six
draft picks and you get two, I'm almost certainly going
to get more better players than you are because your
margin for error with just two guys is tiny. Mine
with six because I got more picks is wider.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Right, But if your scouting department believes in something, then
get it done. I mean you have to trust your scouts.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Scene the scouting departments around league, they don't know Jack Squatt,
Tom Brady's a sixth round pick. Well, Rock Brady goes
dead last.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Blah blah blah. The greatest players in league history are
overwhelmingly first and second.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Round Okay, fine, Tank Dell, you can go down the list.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Those are not all time great players. They had really
good early success. Let's take a deep breath. You know,
you go look at where Jerry Rice and Calvin Johnson
and Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald they're drafted again. There's
plenty of talent everywhere. I think a lot of Puka
Nikoua's excellence is Matt Stafford and Sean McVay. I think
if you put him in Carolina, nobody'd be talking about
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he'd be a good player. He wouldn't be that. Cooper
Cupp is a third rounder from the Harvard of the
Pollute Eastern Washington. He's very good. The Chargers and the
Rams both we're going to draft him. But if you
gave him Carolina situation instead of McVeigh and Stafford, do
you think it'd be the same.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
You think Travis wouldn't they wouldn't you think Travis Kelcey,
Let's just say this. You think Travis Kelsey with the
Jets quarterbacks mess over the years would be Daton Taylor Swift.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
You think Patrick Mahomes without Andy Reid would be a
great one.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
He's the best quarterback talent we've ever seen. He would win.
He wouldn't win this much, but he would win. He
wouldn't win, But I'm saying Travis Kelcey on the Jets
is not is not dating Taylor Swift. He's a handsome guy,
but it would be a different.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Russell Wilson was in Seattle and he started dating Ciarra,
the singer. Right.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Well, Taylor Swift's the biggest global superstift. Nothing against Sierra
I'm talking about. I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I'm just you can live anywhere and pull a super celebrity. Okay, whatever, Okay,
sorry for putting Taylor Swift in her category. Next up,
you're not gonna like this. So Aaron Donald obviously retired
this offseason, huge blow to the Rams defense, which was
very mid this season. But an appearance on the Rich
Eisenschow Your Buddy Rams gm less Sneed was holding out
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hope they could coax Aaron Donald out of retirement. Amid
a playoff run.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
I did mention the Aaron that, let's call it going
back to our Super Bowl run, that there was a
player by the name of Eric Weddle who kind of
you know, jumped in the playoffs, and we signed him
too the practice squad and he was standard. Elevated him
for four straight games to a Super Bowl championship. So
I did mention if we if we happen to get
to the playoffs again, maybe we'll circle back and see,
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you know, if.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
The cup's not quite Phil. So that's just room. I
doubt Aaron's gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Wouldn't that be something Kobe Turner Bryden Fish from Florida
State gared versus Young.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
We looked up the Rams defense last year, their bottom
half of the league in most defensive categories, and now
they lose Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You did this last year, little mister four win Ram.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
I didn't say four, but you just a bit outside
as men.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
What did I tell you? This is a quarterback coach league.
If you have McVay and Stafford, you're not in a rebuild.
If Matt's playing, they're too good, you may not be great.
They were a call of Puka Nakua call from getting
to the NFC championship in a rebuilding. What was my
number one over bet last year? It was the Rams.
(33:42):
You did hit the Ram And the year before my
number one over bet was the Vikings and I've already
got another over bet. I'm not giving it away on
a Friday?
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Is that a wager?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Wednesday Friday? This time of the year.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Wait, wait, it's your number one over bet next season? No?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, last two years? Vikings? Ram Daddy, can I get one?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Guy?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Daddy bought it jet Ski one.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Guess you'll confirm it if it's accurate? A right Atlanta Falcons? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Is are you done?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
We're not done. I'm on fire today?
Speaker 5 (34:13):
All right?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Final story?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Oh, hey, Darvin AM's future with the Lakers obviously in peril.
There's a report he could be dusted today. I find
that highly unlikely. Tyleru has been floated, but JJ Reddick
has come up a lot. JJ Redicks never coached the NBA.
In an appearance on the Gilbert Arenas podcast, former NBA
baller Rashad McCants, who went to UNC played with the
Timberwolves now said that Lebron and Reddicks podcast venture is
(34:38):
a way for Lebron to groom Reddick to be the
next coach of the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That's very Oh.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
I thought we had audio, but we do.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
We do not.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
It's real. It's it's a pretty nice job by.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
We can't putting it together. What we say when guys
go to the Olympics together, some of those guys they
want of those old guys want to go to the
Olympics so they can talk to the young star who's
got options.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
And if you spend a few minutes listening to Lebron
and Reddick a lot of x's and o's drawing up plays,
it's not just general.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
No no, no, no, no, it's it's very uh schematic. You
can tell Lebron trust his intellect vice.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Versa, almost like there's an agenda here. I think Reddick
is so smart to fall for being groomed by the way.
I don't like that phrase.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well, I don't think I think jj Reddick. I think
he's smart enough to understand the temperature in the room,
which is Lebron. This is a really good rumor, this one.
This is not a conspiracy theory. I buy this toll
borderline conspiracy theory. Now this one I buy and I
don't buy conspiracy theory. This is not a conspiracy theory.
This has happened.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
So genie Bus and Polinka Or have already been pushing
back against the whole clutch sports and becoming, you know,
the Laker clutches or whatever. I find it hard to
believe that Genie bus is gonna hire Lebron's podcast co
host to be the head coach of the Lakers. That's
just that's a bridge to far from it. I can't
buy that.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
No, come on, I think JJ Reddick is more than
a podcast Coche first podcasting.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
With Lebron like two months ago, and now he's a
coach of the Lakers. I think that's not a great
look for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I mean, remember Rob Polinka did hire Kobe's agent to
be the GM. I mean, Jeanie did. Genie hired Kobe's
agent to be GM that she has she views it
as family. Rob Polinka became family because she had dealt
with Rob Polenka so much with Kobe that she figured
(36:33):
at he's kind of family anywhere there Rob's in the building.
Plus he looks like Rob Lowe. What could go wrong?
So I think I think in this situation, if Lebron's like,
we trust him, we know him. Lakers talk about family
all the time.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
They know, blaming the coach. If if this happens, you
can't blame the coach. Next year, you blameing one guy
on time.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Man, that's the Lakers. You can always blame.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Lebron wanted to be Ann picked him.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
By the way, Reddick out here in LA would be
all for my men's league team.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
He's already lived out here.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
I think he's a Brooklyn guy.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, but he's lived out here before. I saw him
at the grocery store one time in whole Food.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Will he hoop with me?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Nobody wants to hoop with you. You try to get
Paul Pearson, JJ Reddick on your teeth. Well, they have
their busy people now of the summer, aren't they.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, I think JJ's probably got a few things going
on the podcast. Jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
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Speaker 7 (37:43):
What do you get when you combine a three time
manager of the Year at a three time National Sports
Writer of the Year.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
It's the Book of Joe podcast.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
Hey, this is Tom Ferducci from Fox Sports, MLB Network
and Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And I'm Joe Madden, and we're going to be around
to talk little bit about managerial decisions, playoff games and
what may have occurred to the dugout maybe in the
nineteen eighties.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
I can't wait for this, Joe. We're gonna dive into
what goes on in the dugout and behind the scenes
in Major League.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Baseball, cars, wind, whatever else we want to talk about.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
Listen to the Book of Joe podcast on the iHeartRadio app,
on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts you have.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
It's Tom we here somebody else with them out Martinez
were a choose another slice through this defense?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Oh love man, Reggie Crow.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Boll swat it out of the turnovers, calore right out.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Of the gates.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That can not happen to you.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
This is just tough nose football right now, and you
know the momentum swing.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Holy cow, Davis, what are they shucker for the show boats?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Outstanding catch?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I can't believe he brought this one.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Name who won away let it do. Tomorrow on Fox,
the United Football League takes center stage as the Houston
Roughnecks battles A. J. McCarron and the Saint Louis BattleHawks
at three pm Eastern. Then Sunday it's a doubleheader as
Arlington battles Michigan, followed by San Antonio versus DC all
(39:18):
on Fox and the Fox Sports Act Shum Sharona.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
According to sources, the exchange between Patrick Beverly and one
of the fans in ind escalated when the Bucks were
breaking the huddle Thursday night. In a fan yelled can
coon on three? That got him worked up. It's like,
that's not even funny. It's like a cliche. NBA is
looking into Beverly's exchange with fans in game and media
(39:45):
post gamers or so some vanyel can coon on three
that that's it, that got you worked up? I mean
you got to grow up. Yeah, that's that's embarrassing. So
and for the record, by and large, the NBA media
is very pro player, and they were clobber and Beverly
(40:06):
last night, the media.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
So Colin couldn't. I looked at the video twice. There's
not one security guard, right, behind the team. Bitch, can't
get the league do that at a minimum. And again
I'm not defending Beverly at all. Just get one security
to guard there. That's it. One guy between the fan.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And the team.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
One security guard.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Owners got owners? A billionaire? Does herb Simon still own it?
Is that?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
I mean, one security guard would hear this and be like, dude,
you got to chill out. That's unacceptable. Now, one, two,
three can coun is not bad? That's not bad. There
has to be something besides that, right, that's not gonna
I mean, Beverly's not that thin skinned. I know podcasters
are thin skinned, but Beverly's not that bad. He's a podcaster.
Now he's not an NBA player.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Well, he may be done being an NBA player. That's why.
How long would you suspend I mean, he's obviously a year.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
I think that's a bit much.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
But how about suspend him until twenty five All.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Star Game, twenty five games?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Thirty?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, gotta nip stuff in the nip stuff in the bud,
right real quick?
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Do you let this stuff fester? Yeah, it's gonna get
worse going on going forward.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, And for the record, like I fans to me
are way over the top too often. Yeah, so I'm
not a fan of it.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
It was Thursday night in Indianapolis. I mean, these guys
are probably lubricated behind the bench, you know, six beers in.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
No, No, that's not you know, when I go to
NBA games, I'm always shocked by how few fans actually
do drink. They're into the games.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Well, you go to Laker games, it's different.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
It's like, oh, go to Bulls games. I've been to
Suns games.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Do they drink at Chicago? I've been.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
There's kind of a drinking city. But when I go
to the games, fans are I mean that may be
an occasional beer. You'll spot. Fans are watching the games.
Fans are engaged. So let's not let's not paint Indie
fans is all, uh yeah, I mean, you know, it's
just cankun on three doesn't rise to inflammatory
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