May 11, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob share their thoughts on this wild sports media beef between James Jones and Austin Rivers and the narrative that NBA players could play in the NFL and react to the Indiana Pacers’ incredibly tight win over the New York Knicks in Game 3. Plus, FOX Sports Radio NBA analyst and podcast host Marc Stein swings by to discuss the rash of injuries to hit the NBA postseason, the Phoenix Suns’ decision to dump Frank Vogel in favor of Mike Budenholzer, the harsh reality that is modern coaching, the uncertainty surrounding the Los Angeles Lakers head coaching vacancy and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is The Odd Couple. I'm Chris. He's Rob.
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ye quickly about the Nets Nicks the Knicks Pacers game.
I'm sorry, the.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Knicks are up ninety five eighty five.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Early in the third quarter or fourth quarter, and I
know the Pacers have to be like my goodness, like
what now they're down eight?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
The Pacers?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What do you have to do?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
To kill this tip because rob the Pacers have held
several six, seven to nine point leads, and I get
it that that's not a huge lead in today's NBA,
but they've done it several times and every time the
Knicks just come right back.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It's like they will not die.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
They got nine lives and they I mean, Jalen Brunson
is not having a Jalen Brunson game, understandably because he's
banged up, and me, he does have nineteen points on
as it, five of nineteen.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Shoot right, not a great night at all.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, so it's not a Jalen Brunson knight.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm sorry, eight of nineteen shooting Dante deven Chinzo.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Though ye had seventy five, it's seventeen to the third quarter.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I was it, Yeah, thirty five.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So a credit to the Knicks and if obviously, if
the Pacers lose this when it's over, but I mean,
they are just it's just a team out hustling them out,
gutting them, more heart than them.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And obviously Thibodeau is out coaching.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Carlos Carlo is a good coach, but you you can't
there's no argument to be made that he's out coaching Thibodeaux.
You know, I mean, Thibodeau's got less talent, tons of injuries.
It's best players playing on one foot, and they're still
beating you in your building. So all right, Rob, we
(02:45):
were talking on shop talk about the beefs Shannon versus Shack,
and Kendrick versus Drake, and so on and so forth,
and I said, there's one out there that I'm we're missing,
and this was it, Austin Reid Rivers versus James Jones.
And it really was kind of, at least initially, Austin
(03:07):
Rivers versus the entire NFL. But here's what Austin said
to get himself in I guess hot water.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
We got to get you outside of that football league, man,
where the guaranteed contracts are, where the best athletes in
the world are.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's us.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I could take thirty players right now in the NBA
and throw them in the NFL. You cannot take thirty
NFL players and put them in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Whoa five on the court. Let's just let's all recuse
you get a break every play. I gotta just catch
the ball and run north or south.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
It ain't compat I mean Look, we talked about this, right,
Austin overstated and look they're in an argument or you know,
just excited conversation. He probably didn't mean thirty literally, but
it's probably more like between five and ten. Rob that
could play in the NFL, like now that you could
(03:58):
take and put him in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But that sparked.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Obviously NFL players didn't like it and Rob g take
it from here because it has been back and forth
with several guys, but mostly James Jones, our own FS
one Fox Sports colleague, James Jones.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Yeah, you've had Chris Packer, Chris Long, JJ Watt, Jeff Schortz,
the Weekend got here all going, George Reiser got in
involved in it. But the one who's been the most
vocal has been FS one's James Jones, former Packers wide receiver.
So he first took really offense to it when the
audio first came out and he was saying some of
the effect of Austin needs to put more respect on
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our sport.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's not an easy game.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
If you would have came out there, you would have
quit immediately because you would have got broken. Talked about
soft NBA players are Austin Rivers responded they didn't like that.
They had never heard of you talking about I barely
made the NBA, but I was a lot of repick,
Like what are you saying?
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Then?
Speaker 6 (04:54):
James Jones felt like he dropped the hammer because he
suggested that Austin Rivers was a bust.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
He is suggesting while saying it, Austin Rivers is a bus.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
You averaged nine points a game, two rebounds to assist
only because your.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Dad where you were taking in a lot of ridego says.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
I'm not going to go back and forth you if
I was six four two hundred, maybe you should have
tried a football.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You might have had a better career.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
And then Austin Rivers came over on the top rope
in today's sid I'm not talking about it anymore. But
if we want to talk numbers, let's talk about the
fifty seven million I made in my career and then
you made seventeen and I made more than that in
one season. So it's been going on all week. I
think this is the end of it, but that's the
gist of it. Your thoughts, what you thinking about. I
(05:40):
feel bad for people that this is what I mean.
I just don't understand like people need I guess feel
like they need something to be worked up about. So
what if he thinks that there's and Chris, you could
have a conversation about it, But now you get all personal.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I don't understand and that part of it.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
You want to have a debate or have a conversation
when you get in the name cut we talk about it,
so the lowest common denominator. When you get into name
calling and and all kinds of other situations, that's when
I turn off. Like if you want to have a
debate and and if and if I'm if if Austin
Rivers laid out Chris, well, let me name a couple
(06:21):
of players who play basketball and not football in college
and they wind up being uh, pro football Hall of
famers or you know whatever it is right and then
and then the other comeback is, well, what about like
like they could be an argument or conversation, but but
to go like gutter and and and foul right away,
that's when I tune out.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I just I'm not interested in that stuff. And I
know a lot of people are into it.
Speaker 8 (06:45):
I talked about it before, lowest common denominator, Chris, and
people are into that stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I'm just not and maybe I'm just too old. That
stuff doesn't do anything for me.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Now people are into it, it's entertaining for a lot
of people. And I agree, like debates are fine, back
and forth are fine, but even like I said, with
Kendrick and Drake, I mean, it just devolved into such
just dark name calling accusation found that they are right
(07:18):
like pedophile, like right, you better have receipts with that
Ken sad him stuff he need receipts for too.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Like you know.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And so yeah, I agree, and this look, I get
why NFL players were offended.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
Because.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It does.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I mean if it if somebody said, you know a
lot of these NFL guys could go to the NBA
and play well, the NBA players would be offended.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know, that's your profession.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Man, You're one of only a handful that got to
that level, and you know how hard it is, and
you know how much harder the NFL is physically, at
least you know, as far as the collisions, the hits
and stuff like.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
That than the NBA.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So I get why they're upset, But I think you
make a good point that you know you want to
just keep it on the on the credentials, and I
mean James called him a buck.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He just went he went at his credentials, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And and I do think Robin fairness if somebody just said,
I mean, you get upset when that with athletes that
jump jump into media because you're like, look, I know
what it took to get to where we're at and
be journalists.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I don't have I don't have a problem in there.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
I don't have a problem with people being analysts. I'm
talking about when they prop them up and act like
their reporters or that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But that's similar.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's really no different an NFL player being upset because
Austin Rivers said, man, we could take thirty of.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
These cats, but NBA at least he has some examples.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
That's all I'm saying is like his is not that
Antonio Gates is probably who's the other player we talked
about earlier.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The other ones played a little Jimmy Pepper's Yeah, like
they most of them played in college both sports football
and basketball. So but still, I mean, I do think
there are NBA guys that could play in the NFL.
I think you could take some and you gave them
a training camp, maybe a year to get ready and
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they would be able.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But I also think from it for NFL players, I
don't think you could just take I don't know if
you could take hardly any, if any NFL players and
they could play in the NBA, like with a year
of training or something like that.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
But I do think they are NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Players that had they chosen basketball instead of football when
they went to college, that I think there might be
something that could have made the NBA because Rob, you know,
I mean Deon Sanders was a fantastic basketball player as
well as baseball and football and high school a lot
of these dudes were high school basketball stars.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Greg Jenny's ro om, Greg Jenny's on our show all
the time.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Rob, he got recruited by Michigan State to play basketball.
So like Greg was a great player in Michigan where they.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Got Hoopers, he from play basketball too. He from playing
basketball in college. So doesn't mean that they were going
to make it to the NBA. A lot of guys
but back then, Chris, a lot of good athletes play
multiple sports. It doesn't mean that they were gonna be
And then for the most part, people pick you know,
sports because they know what they're really best in. It's
funny I told you that, you know, or their size
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or whatever, you could look at what they think is
easier to make it to the league.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
You know.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
I think I told the story before about David Justice
went to college as on a basket to play backsketball
and they random Chris, they were doing the drills and
all that. He just he didn't want to do them,
and he went and he saw the baseball team over
there playing and just decided to go out.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
For the team and drinking beer and the dugout, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (11:14):
And and but he made it to the major league
because he a scout was at a game where he
hit two home runs out of the ballpark, Chris, and
that was it.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
That really is all he said. That's how they're fantastic athletes.
And so you know a lot of them could you know,
maybe play a different sport. But yeah, it's it's interesting
because beef is definitely in the air. I don't know
what's going on right. I mean, you and I have
a show.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Based on beef, The Odd Couple, based on debating and
going out, and we don't go at it like these these.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
Dudes are like, you know what I mean, and it's
so personal. I just like, isn't it, Chris, It just
seemed like a real personal Well.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Get, let's not get we can get on a high
horse maybe individually, but look, we see two of our
two journalists. One of us is a great friend of ours,
stephen A.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
And what I didn't like that with him? And with
really yeah, I don't like that either. I mean it
got it got ugly. I didn't like that either.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, I agree, because I don't generally like I don't
see it as my place to.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, get in beefs with other reports if you
have an issue.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
To me, if you want to have a conversation privately,
or you want to yell at each other on the
phone for five minutes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
But the public part of it, I guess, is what
I have an issue.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
With because at the end of the day, rib you're
entertaining people. You're just entertaining. And I don't mean like
in a in a good way necessarily.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
No, right, people love that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, it's like people are and sometimes people are laughing
at you. Sometimes people think it's ridiculous, but it's entertaining
you know, and so you know. But I think ultimately
what I'm saying is, I do think they're I think
it would be easier for some of these NBA players,
just a few, to move to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I think of Anthony Edwards. I think Lebron rob.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think Lebron would have been a Hall of Fame
football player had he chosen to go to the NFL
because he was phenomenal in high school. Ain't Ohio Well,
Ohio was a football Ohio is not a basketball state.
It's amazing that Lebron came from Ohio because it's not
like one of the basketball hot.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Beds, but it is a football state.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It is a hot bed football state, top probably seven
in the country as far as states in high school football.
And so for him to be dominant, and I know
the school he went to, they were dominant football school
and basketball, but more so football, and.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
So I think he went his speed, his size, he
is one I think would have been a Hall of
Fame tight end or something like that. But uh, eight seven,
seven ninety nine or fox. A lot to talk about here,
the beefing going on in public.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Do you like it? Do you not like it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But also the idea of NBA players being able to
play in the NFL, or vice versa, NFL players being
able to play in the NBA. Your thoughts next, Christian
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Speaker 1 (15:23):
All right, it's the odd couple of Chris Brusar Rob
Parker eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. That'll turn
the way in a lot of guys beefing.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And also can NBA players play in the NFL and
vice versa?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
All right?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Here, we go.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Brian in Las Vegas. You're on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
What's up, Brian?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Gentlemen?
Speaker 10 (15:50):
How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Great?
Speaker 7 (15:52):
How are you?
Speaker 10 (15:54):
I'm outstanding?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You know.
Speaker 10 (15:55):
I've been listening following round for a long time, being
a Detroit kid, and I've I love all this conversation
about NBA dudes playing in the NFL, but none of
them could play in Major League Baseball, and no one
talks about how good of an athlete Mookie Betts is.
So it all hang up and listening to you guys talk,
But like, we got to respect these ball players because
Russell Wilson couldn't even get a lick on a double
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A team and he is an MVP caliber quarterback in
his career. So I mean, what's not sleep on baseball players?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Well, we are base One of the hardest things to
do is hit a baseball. It just it just is.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
But uh, yeah, you fail Chris seven times out of ten, Right,
you're great. Right, that's how hard it is.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I think what makes it of the three sports main ones,
I think it's most the most unpredictable.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, it's because.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Failure is so baked in it is and if.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
You can't deal with it, you know, going to sit
down seven times out of ten, you're gonna have a
hard time.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
And you can see in baseball, like a great Hall
of Fame player just have a bad few weeks, yes,
or in some cases guys may have a bad season.
You can have a bad season, Chris, You're not gonna
see that generally in basketball or football.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Not like that all time? Great? Yeah, not nah, not
like that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Let's go to Rich in Texas. You're on the couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Rich?
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Hey, guys, how are you doing? Thanks for having me
on again.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Hey, I think the beef over it is kind of stupid,
but because just times have changed, I think all these athletes,
you know, back a while ago, could have played in
both sports because it was proven, like day Winfield got
drafted in three different sports out of college.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
You know what, and let's say this, four different leagues.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
You know the fourth.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Rich, do you know the fourth one?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
No?
Speaker 7 (17:50):
I mean he went to Minnesota was a hockey A, the.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
ABA, and the NBA. He was drafted in four leagues.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
Yeah, but that's the other point I would make those
to the one the one sport. I don't think any
of these guys could go to and be hockey.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh you can't skate. If you can't skate, you can't
play right.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
None of them grow up playing hockey.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, I mean that, that's just Chris.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
If some of them did, maybe there'd be a few.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
But well, pop Eye Jones somewhere you would think play
Remember pop Eye Jones from THEE was drafted in the
first round of the n HL draft.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yes, I remember that when he was drafted.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
KD in Memphis. You're on the couple of Fox Sports. Ready,
what's up? KD G?
Speaker 11 (18:37):
Good night?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Good night's how are you good?
Speaker 11 (18:41):
Hey? I was a try sport athlete. I played baseball, basketball, football,
So all the locker rooms are different. Baseball probably had
the most funniest locker room, closest next to football. Basketball
was a bunch of thing ego guys trying to go
here there. But in today's sport, all the football players
you can name one player off the team, they could
They could play basketball, even though they're a little bit shorter.
(19:03):
Same with basketball, you could take I played safety and
oh no, what what level did you play? I played
in the DFL, MTFL played arena ball, So I made
it right below the NFL as far as football basketball.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But yeah, the other sports you played, I mean, I'm
not gonna say that many guys could play.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I think there are.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I think there are NFL players that were legitimately great
high school basketball players and had they stayed right. But now,
I don't think you like Patrick Mahomes was great in
high school his dad brought then his dad say basketball
was his best sport when he was on our show.
So you you think now that you could take, say
(19:48):
of Patrick Mahomes and put him in the NBA and
he could play.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
That necessarily Patrick, Not necessarily Patrick, But I bet you
could take uh what what the Kelsey and I bet
you he could play a.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Good Travis Kelsey No way, no way, because he played
high school basketball.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He was a but yeah, but he that's high school.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
But like the Left said, the hockey players, because I
went to school in Minnesota too, I went to school
University of North Albama, South all over the northern Those
hockey players are tough guys.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Man. Yeah, of course nobody questions.
Speaker 11 (20:24):
Too.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
So well, that's part of their game.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
And the other thing too. We appreciate the call, thank
you so much, Chris. That frozen punk flying around you gotta.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Be hockey is There's no doubt those are tough.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Here, I'll say this, Rob, like baseball, the reason you
couldn't take many people, if any, from the NFL and
NBA and play baseball is because it's a skill. I mean,
I mean back, all the sports are skilled, but that's
really like, if you don't have those skills, I don't
care how great of an athlete you are, right, if
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you can't feel the great fun, judge a fly ball,
hit a baseball, you don't matter how great of an
athlete are you the curveball?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And in basketball you got the skills as well. Can
you dribble? Can you shoot?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Football obviously is very skilled sport, but I think of
the three like if you're big and strong and athletic quick,
you know.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It's you don't have to be able to catch to
play football.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You could play linebacker, or you could even be a
defensive back or safety, and you can't really catch that well.
And so you know, Rinaldo nia Meyer, rob track athlete,
stepped in and played football as a receiver for several years.
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Speaker 3 (22:02):
Listen. We welcome in our man, Mark Stein. Mark, Hi, guys.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
How are you.
Speaker 12 (22:10):
I'm good?
Speaker 11 (22:10):
I'm good.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
How you guys doing?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
We are great? We are great, and so much to
get to. I want to talk to you, obviously about
some of these coaches, but let me start this first.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
The injuries.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You know, obviously, injuries have long been a part of
the postseason in the league, but never have we seen
I don't believe this many, you know, great players for
certain for teams injured.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Almost every team is suffering a major injury.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
What is the league?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know, is there any thought like how how concerned
is the league about this?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Do they think it's just kind of one of those
years or is this something that they really want to
kind of study in the offseason and see if they
can get to the bottom.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Of what's going on.
Speaker 12 (22:53):
Well, look, this was the season of course that they
brought in the sixty five game rule and insert. Look,
some of these things are freakish, so it's hard to draw.
Like the Jimmy Butler injury in Miami. You know, oubre
landed on him and he sustained a knee injury.
Speaker 11 (23:10):
Is that just bad luck?
Speaker 12 (23:11):
I mean, it sort of looks like it watching it
in the moment, But then there's other injuries like Kawhi
Leonard plays sixty eight games, the most he's played in
seven years, but then he's almost completely unavailable to his
team in the playoffs, So is that related? So I
do think it's something that will be discussed and looked
(23:33):
at in the offseason. But yeah, I mean it's you know,
I've it's it's a story that I actually do track.
And there's a great website called in Street Clothes that's
monitored by a colleague of mind named Jeff Scotts, and
we're always looking at these and talking about these because
he keeps a database where he basically registers every injury
(23:55):
that happens in the NBA. And it's I mean, it's
it's staggering when you do look at it and look
at how many big names have missed time in this postseason.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
It's true, it is way up.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
It is more than say in the past, because Chris
and I always had questioned that, like we don't we
don't have any numbers, but we always feel like it's
way more than we remember when we were beat writers.
Speaker 12 (24:19):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's hard to conclusively say that
because the league will point to and say, yeah, I mean,
you know, in the regular season, all the star number
and you know, all the number of games played were up.
So yeah, I mean, are they going to draw the
league is unlikely. Yeah, I don't see the league publicly
drawing a correlation. But is it something that's going to
(24:41):
be examined in the offseason. I don't think there's any
question about it.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
How about the suns hiring of Mike Budenholes, What do
you make of that? How I thought he couldn't coach?
Speaker 12 (24:52):
Well, look, he's going to see is that key is
he's going to bring more of an offensive bent to
that situation, which you know, if you're if you want
to folks, if you want to identify a knock against
Frank Bogel, obviously Frank Bogel is a defense first coach.
But look, I don't think Frank Vogel deserved to lose
his job at all, but this was this was I mean,
(25:14):
this is the just you know, we always say it's
easier to fire the coach than change the players, but
this is truly like the illustration of that. Because the
Sons are so limited in what they can do with
their roster because of where they stand as a second
Apron tag team. So you know, they had a bunch
of meetings, they met with players, they spent more than
(25:36):
a week looking at it. But this is the way.
Speaker 11 (25:39):
I mean, it was pretty I think inevitable.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
From the time that the Sun season ended getting swept
in Round one, you knew this was going to happen,
that this was this was the most drastic take up
move that the Sons could make. Is it going to
make a difference. Mike Budenholzer is going to run into
the same roster issues that Frank vogelflip face. Now, maybe
the offense will have a different look, can flow better,
(26:05):
and you know, maybe that vibes with Kevin Durant. But
it's gonna be really interesting to see how Mike Budenholzer,
with no relationship with Durant or Booker or Beatle. No
prior relationship with any of those guys as far as
I know, and now he's got to go in there
and establish a program. It's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Nick Nurse, Mike Budenholzer, Frank Vogel, All one championships recently,
all fired recently. Are coaches now Mark kind of looking
at this like, you know what, I know, I'm probably
gonna get fired at some point unless I have this
tremendous championship run a la Steve Kerr. So are they
(26:45):
just looking at it like, look, the money is so great,
I gotta make sure I get a certain number guaranteed
years and then it's just the the the you know,
the hazards are you're gonna be fired at some point,
maybe quickly, but you get that big contract, then that
makes it all.
Speaker 12 (27:01):
Well, it's funny that you asked me this because Chris
Hanes and I today just earlier this afternoon recorded a
podcast with stan Van Gundy and we spent probably half
of it talking about exactly what you're talking about, and
it's reality of modern coaching. The salaries have risen substantially
and we've seen it with the deal Monni Williams got
(27:23):
Detroit and then the deal Greg Popovitch got to stay
in San Antonio, and then Spolstra and then Steve Kerr.
And so when you look at modern coaching salaries, like
the blame clause, it's not officially in there, but you
are paid to some degree because you are going to
get the blame if things don't go well, and you
(27:44):
are probably going to lose your job if things don't
go well. And I mean, just think about the Bank
of Ishpia right now.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
I was just going to ask you that he just
gave out a five year deal, four years left and
now another one, right yeah, So I mean.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
The next season they're paying sixteen million in coaches. But
there's no salary cap for coaches. So if you have
an owner that has the wherewithal to do it, you
will keep seeing that. And you know, Mike Budenholzer certainly
had a lot of leverage here. He knew that the
Sun's had to make a splashy higher if you're going
to go away from Frank Bogel so quickly, and Mike Budenholzer,
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by all accounts, has landed himself a very nice deal.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
So where do you think the Lakers go Budenholzer was
a guy that you know was on their list, at
least reportedly.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Where do you think they go from here?
Speaker 12 (28:37):
I mean the Lakers. It's really hard to forecast that
because we still don't know exactly what they will prioritize yet,
and from everything I was told, that's how the Lakers
were going to approach this week with a bunch of
internal meetings to decide do they want to get someone
who has prior head coaching experience or are they willing
(28:58):
to hire another first time coach? And look, Darvin Ham
is frequently described as a first time coach, but I
think it's also important to remember Darvin Ham had been
an assistant in numerous places, including the Lakers. He was
on two Budenholzer staffs. He interviewed for a head coaching position.
I don't know how many times he can I think
somewhere in that neighbors. He was a very seasoned assistant
(29:21):
when they hired him as a quote first time coach.
You know, we've been talking about JJ Reddick, who has
no coaching experience whatsoever. Are the Lakers really willing to.
Speaker 11 (29:31):
Go that route?
Speaker 12 (29:32):
Because jj Rick has a pre existing connection with Lebron
James or are the Lakers going to say we need
some level of experience, We need a Kenny Atkinson or
a James Barrego, we need someone who has been a
head coach before. But exactly what the Lakers are looking for,
we don't really have a handle on that yet. Although
(29:53):
like Budenholzer, you saw the sun just laser in on
Budenholzer and he was going to be the guy from
the first minute. They didn't get a sense really from
the start that the Lakers were going to make a
serious push for Mike Budenholzer. I don't think that was
the direction they were looking. So we're gonna have to
see a name.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
I want to throw out one name. Is there any
chance that Joey Stackhouse gets looked at or now?
Speaker 12 (30:18):
I wouldn't think from the Lakers, but you know what
I mean, honestly, all the other there's no other vacancies
in the league right now. Charlotte just hired Charles Lee
from Boston who kill joined the Hornets after the Celtic season.
So the only I take that back, the Washington Wizards
all are still looking for a coach, and Brian Keith
(30:39):
their interim coach. He is in the mix there, But
the Wizards haven't formally said if they're going to make
a hire or give Brian Keith the job full time.
But since the Lakers right now face no real opposition
in the market, they should bring in fifteen different coaches,
including Stackhouse who just had major college experience, bring in
(31:00):
different people, talk to a lot of different people, and
you know, cast the widest possible net. I mean, they
really have no reason not to.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Do you think Mark Day and we got about two
minutes max for your answer is Missoula, Uh in.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Danger at all? I would think if they don't.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I say, if they'll get out of the East, I
actually think they should go look elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
But do you think he's on the hot seat at all?
Speaker 12 (31:27):
I mean, as we speak right now, no, But if
they didn't get out of the East, yeah, then it's
a different ballgame because the Celtics have no I realized
they don't have chrisps Porzingis right now, and that creates
a size issue for that team that Cleveland exploited in
Game two. But the Celtics can get to the NBA
Finals without having to see Milwaukee, without having to see Philly.
(31:52):
They saw a diminished version of the Heat. Jared Allen
didn't even play last night. I mean, so many things
have lined up for them, and the Pacers just won.
This Knicks Pacer series does have the potential to be
a longer series. But look, even if the Knicks gets
through it, I mean, Dave had so many injuries, like,
(32:14):
Boston has no justification to not get out of the East,
and that should give them some time to try to
get Chris osperzingis right for the finals. So look if Boston,
if Boston doesn't win the conference, yeah, the heat will
be turned up on Missoula in a big way.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
All Right.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
That's Mark Stein out on this League Uncut Great podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
He co hosts with Chris Hayes Mark Great stuff man
having the weekend.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
All right, guys, Ye yeah, Indiana one eleven, New York
one oh six, rob two to one. Knicks lead the
series and the Hicks versus the Knicks is what they're
calling it now.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's that's they've took that from the old days. That
used to be a headline in the daily news. You
know that, right, Chris? Oh yeah, remember yes.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
And uh, the Hicks got a chance to you know,
get back in this thing. We'll talk that next a
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we said it. The Pacers one eleven, the Knicks one
oh six. Jalen Brunson did play for the Knicks twenty
(33:54):
six points, six assists, five turnovers, ten of twenty six
shooting in thirty eight minutes. I mean, all things considered, Rob,
that dude's a warrior. I mean, he's you just got
you just gotta tip your cap to him. And also
Robed Josh Hart eighteen rebounds. Josh Hart is a six
(34:15):
to four guard. He right now is in the top
four players in the playoffs in rebounds. He's after like
fourteen rebounds a game in the playoffs, and so got
to want to rebound like like, you gotta wanna rebound
like that people, that's that's how you rebound. Yeah, and
uh and then Dante DiVincenzo, so obviously the Villanova Villanova triumphanate.
Speaker 11 (34:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Devincenzo had thirty five points, robed seven of eleven from Trey.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
So he didn't have anything in the fourth quarter because
he had no Yeah, right, he had seventeen, he had seventh, right,
and he had seventeen in the third.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Chris right, is that right?
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Gd have zero points in the fourth? What he shoot?
Did you see?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Well?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
As a team, they only score sixteen points in the fourth.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
So Indiana, I don't know if they put the clamps
on them or the knicks were just missing. But for
the Pacers, siakam twenty six, Halliburton was a star and
he had thirty five and last game he had thirty four.
So look he's their star.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
And I said it. He looked rob four months ago
like he was about to be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
And now it was starting to look like before the
last couple of games, is this dude even still a star?
You know, he wasn't playing well, and to his credit
the last two games, he's really stepped up thirty five
points tonight when they really needed it. Seven dimes.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
But the I don't want to say start the show
because I think the star.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Was Halliburton, but Andrew Nimhart rob here he hit the
game winning triple.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Here's I mean, what a shot.
Speaker 9 (35:53):
Halliburton double teams out there at the timeline three to shoot,
two to shoot, thirty five foot.
Speaker 13 (35:59):
Travel, the longest shot of his career three porter man
and he probably only took it because he had to.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
Well, the shot clock was running down.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I was right on.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Credit to him. Uh, he'll be five points on the night.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But it's a big shot. It's a big shot in
a big moment, and uh, you know that's what the.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Win this series and he'll be a hero in Indiana
like you know, years, if not longer.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
So good for him. He's had the chore of chasing
around Jalen Brunton.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
And he's gotten a lot of criticism because Bruston obviously
has had his way with him, barbecue, And I think
he's played hard. I think his defense. His one thing
he hasn't done is he hasn't really kept his hands up.
But he stayed in front of Brunston to some degree.
I mean it's hard to stay in front of a
shifty point guard. But I think he's been there with him,
(37:03):
but he hasn't had his hands up in Brunson's crafty
and been able.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
To shoot over him. But Rob, where are you at
on this series?
Speaker 11 (37:10):
Now?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Are you giving Indiana like a legitimate chance to win
this thing?
Speaker 11 (37:14):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Absolutely, I think you know, they lost two really close games,
they lost right on the road, that come home they
win and the Knick's beat up Chris.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
There's a chance.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
All it takes is to win one game and make
you feel different about a situation, and if they win again.
So I don't think the series is over. Even though
the Knicks won the first two, No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
It was the two were in New York.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yep, the Knicks did get a favorable whistle that you know,
maybe because of how to cost him an out, and
he did get fined, but you knew he knew he
was gonna get fined.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Yeah, you gotta find thirty five grand.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, he made his decision when he went to the podium.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
All right, I'm gonna lose some money tonight, right, But
he did it to see if he could get a
better whistle in Game three. Like I said, Rob, if
I'm Indiana, I mean they you gotta feel like you
can win the series no matter what. But with the
Knicks injuries, they are not the same team with our
o Giananoby. It's just as simple as that. I agree,
And they still gave the Pacers all they wanted. They
(38:15):
they win or lose this series. Rob, You're gonna have
nothing but respect for the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (38:21):
Oh yeah, No, they play hard and they've had a run.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
But uh, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
It'd be a good win for Indye.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I mean I think fans, Rob definitely want to see
Nick Celtics.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
You don't want to. I mean, Indiana Boston will not
be as you know, riffting.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
But we needed David Stern to make that one happen.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I'm just kidding, all right, it's the Eye Couple, Rob,
have a great weekend. The Eye Couple crews same. I know,
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ye quickly about the Nets Nicks the Knicks Pacers game.
I'm sorry, the.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Knicks are up ninety five eighty five.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Early in the third quarter or fourth quarter, and I
know the Pacers have to be like my goodness, like
what now they're down eight?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
The Pacers?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What do you have to do?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
To kill this tip because rob the Pacers have held
several six, seven to nine point leads, and I get
it that that's not a huge lead in today's NBA,
but they've done it several times and every time the
Knicks just come right back.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It's like they will not die.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
They got nine lives and they I mean, Jalen Brunson
is not having a Jalen Brunson game, understandably because he's
banged up, and me, he does have nineteen points on
as it, five of nineteen.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Shoot right, not a great night at all.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, so it's not a Jalen Brunson knight.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm sorry, eight of nineteen shooting Dante deven Chinzo.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Though ye had seventy five, it's seventeen to the third quarter.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I was it, Yeah, thirty five.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So a credit to the Knicks and if obviously, if
the Pacers lose this when it's over, but I mean,
they are just it's just a team out hustling them out,
gutting them, more heart than them.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And obviously Thibodeau is out coaching.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Carlos Carlo is a good coach, but you you can't
there's no argument to be made that he's out coaching Thibodeaux.
You know, I mean, Thibodeau's got less talent, tons of injuries.
It's best players playing on one foot, and they're still
beating you in your building. So all right, Rob, we
(02:45):
were talking on shop talk about the beefs Shannon versus Shack,
and Kendrick versus Drake, and so on and so forth,
and I said, there's one out there that I'm we're missing,
and this was it, Austin Reid Rivers versus James Jones.
And it really was kind of, at least initially, Austin
(03:07):
Rivers versus the entire NFL. But here's what Austin said
to get himself in I guess hot water.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
We got to get you outside of that football league, man,
where the guaranteed contracts are, where the best athletes in
the world are.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's us.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I could take thirty players right now in the NBA
and throw them in the NFL. You cannot take thirty
NFL players and put them in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Whoa five on the court. Let's just let's all recuse
you get a break every play. I gotta just catch
the ball and run north or south.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
It ain't compat I mean Look, we talked about this, right,
Austin overstated and look they're in an argument or you know,
just excited conversation. He probably didn't mean thirty literally, but
it's probably more like between five and ten. Rob that
could play in the NFL, like now that you could
(03:58):
take and put him in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But that sparked.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Obviously NFL players didn't like it and Rob g take
it from here because it has been back and forth
with several guys, but mostly James Jones, our own FS
one Fox Sports colleague, James Jones.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Yeah, you've had Chris Packer, Chris Long, JJ Watt, Jeff Schortz,
the Weekend got here all going, George Reiser got in
involved in it. But the one who's been the most
vocal has been FS one's James Jones, former Packers wide receiver.
So he first took really offense to it when the
audio first came out and he was saying some of
the effect of Austin needs to put more respect on
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our sport.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's not an easy game.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
If you would have came out there, you would have
quit immediately because you would have got broken. Talked about
soft NBA players are Austin Rivers responded they didn't like that.
They had never heard of you talking about I barely
made the NBA, but I was a lot of repick,
Like what are you saying?
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Then?
Speaker 6 (04:54):
James Jones felt like he dropped the hammer because he
suggested that Austin Rivers was a bust.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
He is suggesting while saying it, Austin Rivers is a bus.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
You averaged nine points a game, two rebounds to assist
only because your.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Dad where you were taking in a lot of ridego says.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
I'm not going to go back and forth you if
I was six four two hundred, maybe you should have
tried a football.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You might have had a better career.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
And then Austin Rivers came over on the top rope
in today's sid I'm not talking about it anymore. But
if we want to talk numbers, let's talk about the
fifty seven million I made in my career and then
you made seventeen and I made more than that in
one season. So it's been going on all week. I
think this is the end of it, but that's the
gist of it. Your thoughts, what you thinking about. I
(05:40):
feel bad for people that this is what I mean.
I just don't understand like people need I guess feel
like they need something to be worked up about. So
what if he thinks that there's and Chris, you could
have a conversation about it, But now you get all personal.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I don't understand and that part of it.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
You want to have a debate or have a conversation
when you get in the name cut we talk about it,
so the lowest common denominator. When you get into name
calling and and all kinds of other situations, that's when
I turn off. Like if you want to have a
debate and and if and if I'm if if Austin
Rivers laid out Chris, well, let me name a couple
(06:21):
of players who play basketball and not football in college
and they wind up being uh, pro football Hall of
famers or you know whatever it is right and then
and then the other comeback is, well, what about like
like they could be an argument or conversation, but but
to go like gutter and and and foul right away,
that's when I tune out.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I just I'm not interested in that stuff. And I
know a lot of people are into it.
Speaker 8 (06:45):
I talked about it before, lowest common denominator, Chris, and
people are into that stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I'm just not and maybe I'm just too old. That
stuff doesn't do anything for me.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Now people are into it, it's entertaining for a lot
of people. And I agree, like debates are fine, back
and forth are fine, but even like I said, with
Kendrick and Drake, I mean, it just devolved into such
just dark name calling accusation found that they are right
(07:18):
like pedophile, like right, you better have receipts with that
Ken sad him stuff he need receipts for too.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Like you know.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And so yeah, I agree, and this look, I get
why NFL players were offended.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
Because.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It does.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I mean if it if somebody said, you know a
lot of these NFL guys could go to the NBA
and play well, the NBA players would be offended.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know, that's your profession.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Man, You're one of only a handful that got to
that level, and you know how hard it is, and
you know how much harder the NFL is physically, at
least you know, as far as the collisions, the hits
and stuff like.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
That than the NBA.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So I get why they're upset, But I think you
make a good point that you know you want to
just keep it on the on the credentials, and I
mean James called him a buck.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He just went he went at his credentials, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And and I do think Robin fairness if somebody just said,
I mean, you get upset when that with athletes that
jump jump into media because you're like, look, I know
what it took to get to where we're at and
be journalists.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I don't have I don't have a problem in there.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
I don't have a problem with people being analysts. I'm
talking about when they prop them up and act like
their reporters or that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But that's similar.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's really no different an NFL player being upset because
Austin Rivers said, man, we could take thirty of.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
These cats, but NBA at least he has some examples.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
That's all I'm saying is like his is not that
Antonio Gates is probably who's the other player we talked
about earlier.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The other ones played a little Jimmy Pepper's Yeah, like
they most of them played in college both sports football
and basketball. So but still, I mean, I do think
there are NBA guys that could play in the NFL.
I think you could take some and you gave them
a training camp, maybe a year to get ready and
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they would be able.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But I also think from it for NFL players, I
don't think you could just take I don't know if
you could take hardly any, if any NFL players and
they could play in the NBA, like with a year
of training or something like that.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
But I do think they are NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Players that had they chosen basketball instead of football when
they went to college, that I think there might be
something that could have made the NBA because Rob, you know,
I mean Deon Sanders was a fantastic basketball player as
well as baseball and football and high school a lot
of these dudes were high school basketball stars.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Greg Jenny's ro om, Greg Jenny's on our show all
the time.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Rob, he got recruited by Michigan State to play basketball.
So like Greg was a great player in Michigan where they.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Got Hoopers, he from play basketball too. He from playing
basketball in college. So doesn't mean that they were going
to make it to the NBA. A lot of guys
but back then, Chris, a lot of good athletes play
multiple sports. It doesn't mean that they were gonna be
And then for the most part, people pick you know,
sports because they know what they're really best in. It's
funny I told you that, you know, or their size
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or whatever, you could look at what they think is
easier to make it to the league.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
You know.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
I think I told the story before about David Justice
went to college as on a basket to play backsketball
and they random Chris, they were doing the drills and
all that. He just he didn't want to do them,
and he went and he saw the baseball team over
there playing and just decided to go out.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
For the team and drinking beer and the dugout, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (11:14):
And and but he made it to the major league
because he a scout was at a game where he
hit two home runs out of the ballpark, Chris, and
that was it.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
That really is all he said. That's how they're fantastic athletes.
And so you know a lot of them could you know,
maybe play a different sport. But yeah, it's it's interesting
because beef is definitely in the air. I don't know
what's going on right. I mean, you and I have
a show.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Based on beef, The Odd Couple, based on debating and
going out, and we don't go at it like these these.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
Dudes are like, you know what I mean, and it's
so personal. I just like, isn't it, Chris, It just
seemed like a real personal Well.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Get, let's not get we can get on a high
horse maybe individually, but look, we see two of our
two journalists. One of us is a great friend of ours,
stephen A.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
And what I didn't like that with him? And with
really yeah, I don't like that either. I mean it
got it got ugly. I didn't like that either.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, I agree, because I don't generally like I don't
see it as my place to.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, get in beefs with other reports if you
have an issue.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
To me, if you want to have a conversation privately,
or you want to yell at each other on the
phone for five minutes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
But the public part of it, I guess, is what
I have an issue.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
With because at the end of the day, rib you're
entertaining people. You're just entertaining. And I don't mean like
in a in a good way necessarily.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
No, right, people love that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, it's like people are and sometimes people are laughing
at you. Sometimes people think it's ridiculous, but it's entertaining
you know, and so you know. But I think ultimately
what I'm saying is, I do think they're I think
it would be easier for some of these NBA players,
just a few, to move to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I think of Anthony Edwards. I think Lebron rob.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think Lebron would have been a Hall of Fame
football player had he chosen to go to the NFL
because he was phenomenal in high school. Ain't Ohio Well,
Ohio was a football Ohio is not a basketball state.
It's amazing that Lebron came from Ohio because it's not
like one of the basketball hot.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Beds, but it is a football state.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It is a hot bed football state, top probably seven
in the country as far as states in high school football.
And so for him to be dominant, and I know
the school he went to, they were dominant football school
and basketball, but more so football, and.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
So I think he went his speed, his size, he
is one I think would have been a Hall of
Fame tight end or something like that. But uh, eight seven,
seven ninety nine or fox. A lot to talk about here,
the beefing going on in public.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Do you like it? Do you not like it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But also the idea of NBA players being able to
play in the NFL, or vice versa, NFL players being
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Speaker 1 (15:23):
All right, it's the odd couple of Chris Brusar Rob
Parker eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. That'll turn
the way in a lot of guys beefing.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And also can NBA players play in the NFL and
vice versa?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
All right?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Here, we go.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Brian in Las Vegas. You're on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
What's up, Brian?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Gentlemen?
Speaker 10 (15:50):
How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Great?
Speaker 7 (15:52):
How are you?
Speaker 10 (15:54):
I'm outstanding?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You know.
Speaker 10 (15:55):
I've been listening following round for a long time, being
a Detroit kid, and I've I love all this conversation
about NBA dudes playing in the NFL, but none of
them could play in Major League Baseball, and no one
talks about how good of an athlete Mookie Betts is.
So it all hang up and listening to you guys talk,
But like, we got to respect these ball players because
Russell Wilson couldn't even get a lick on a double
(16:17):
A team and he is an MVP caliber quarterback in
his career. So I mean, what's not sleep on baseball players?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Well, we are base One of the hardest things to
do is hit a baseball. It just it just is.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
But uh, yeah, you fail Chris seven times out of ten, Right,
you're great. Right, that's how hard it is.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I think what makes it of the three sports main ones,
I think it's most the most unpredictable.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, it's because.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Failure is so baked in it is and if.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
You can't deal with it, you know, going to sit
down seven times out of ten, you're gonna have a
hard time.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
And you can see in baseball, like a great Hall
of Fame player just have a bad few weeks, yes,
or in some cases guys may have a bad season.
You can have a bad season, Chris, You're not gonna
see that generally in basketball or football.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Not like that all time? Great? Yeah, not nah, not
like that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Let's go to Rich in Texas. You're on the couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Rich?
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Hey, guys, how are you doing? Thanks for having me
on again.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Hey, I think the beef over it is kind of stupid,
but because just times have changed, I think all these athletes,
you know, back a while ago, could have played in
both sports because it was proven, like day Winfield got
drafted in three different sports out of college.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
You know what, and let's say this, four different leagues.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
You know the fourth.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Rich, do you know the fourth one?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
No?
Speaker 7 (17:50):
I mean he went to Minnesota was a hockey A, the.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
ABA, and the NBA. He was drafted in four leagues.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
Yeah, but that's the other point I would make those
to the one the one sport. I don't think any
of these guys could go to and be hockey.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh you can't skate. If you can't skate, you can't
play right.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
None of them grow up playing hockey.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, I mean that, that's just Chris.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
If some of them did, maybe there'd be a few.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
But well, pop Eye Jones somewhere you would think play
Remember pop Eye Jones from THEE was drafted in the
first round of the n HL draft.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yes, I remember that when he was drafted.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
KD in Memphis. You're on the couple of Fox Sports. Ready,
what's up? KD G?
Speaker 11 (18:37):
Good night?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Good night's how are you good?
Speaker 11 (18:41):
Hey? I was a try sport athlete. I played baseball, basketball, football,
So all the locker rooms are different. Baseball probably had
the most funniest locker room, closest next to football. Basketball
was a bunch of thing ego guys trying to go
here there. But in today's sport, all the football players
you can name one player off the team, they could
They could play basketball, even though they're a little bit shorter.
(19:03):
Same with basketball, you could take I played safety and
oh no, what what level did you play? I played
in the DFL, MTFL played arena ball, So I made
it right below the NFL as far as football basketball.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But yeah, the other sports you played, I mean, I'm
not gonna say that many guys could play.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I think there are.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I think there are NFL players that were legitimately great
high school basketball players and had they stayed right. But now,
I don't think you like Patrick Mahomes was great in
high school his dad brought then his dad say basketball
was his best sport when he was on our show.
So you you think now that you could take, say
(19:48):
of Patrick Mahomes and put him in the NBA and
he could play.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
That necessarily Patrick, Not necessarily Patrick, But I bet you
could take uh what what the Kelsey and I bet
you he could play a.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Good Travis Kelsey No way, no way, because he played
high school basketball.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He was a but yeah, but he that's high school.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
But like the Left said, the hockey players, because I
went to school in Minnesota too, I went to school
University of North Albama, South all over the northern Those
hockey players are tough guys.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Man. Yeah, of course nobody questions.
Speaker 11 (20:24):
Too.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
So well, that's part of their game.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
And the other thing too. We appreciate the call, thank
you so much, Chris. That frozen punk flying around you gotta.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Be hockey is There's no doubt those are tough.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Here, I'll say this, Rob, like baseball, the reason you
couldn't take many people, if any, from the NFL and
NBA and play baseball is because it's a skill. I mean,
I mean back, all the sports are skilled, but that's
really like, if you don't have those skills, I don't
care how great of an athlete you are, right, if
(20:59):
you can't feel the great fun, judge a fly ball,
hit a baseball, you don't matter how great of an
athlete are you the curveball?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And in basketball you got the skills as well. Can
you dribble? Can you shoot?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Football obviously is very skilled sport, but I think of
the three like if you're big and strong and athletic quick,
you know.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It's you don't have to be able to catch to
play football.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You could play linebacker, or you could even be a
defensive back or safety, and you can't really catch that well.
And so you know, Rinaldo nia Meyer, rob track athlete,
stepped in and played football as a receiver for several years.
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Speaker 4 (22:08):
How are you.
Speaker 12 (22:10):
I'm good?
Speaker 11 (22:10):
I'm good.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
How you guys doing?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
We are great? We are great, and so much to
get to. I want to talk to you, obviously about
some of these coaches, but let me start this first.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
The injuries.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You know, obviously, injuries have long been a part of
the postseason in the league, but never have we seen
I don't believe this many, you know, great players for
certain for teams injured.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Almost every team is suffering a major injury.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
What is the league?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know, is there any thought like how how concerned
is the league about this?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Do they think it's just kind of one of those
years or is this something that they really want to
kind of study in the offseason and see if they
can get to the bottom.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Of what's going on.
Speaker 12 (22:53):
Well, look, this was the season of course that they
brought in the sixty five game rule and insert. Look,
some of these things are freakish, so it's hard to draw.
Like the Jimmy Butler injury in Miami. You know, oubre
landed on him and he sustained a knee injury.
Speaker 11 (23:10):
Is that just bad luck?
Speaker 12 (23:11):
I mean, it sort of looks like it watching it
in the moment, But then there's other injuries like Kawhi
Leonard plays sixty eight games, the most he's played in
seven years, but then he's almost completely unavailable to his
team in the playoffs, So is that related? So I
do think it's something that will be discussed and looked
(23:33):
at in the offseason. But yeah, I mean it's you know,
I've it's it's a story that I actually do track.
And there's a great website called in Street Clothes that's
monitored by a colleague of mind named Jeff Scotts, and
we're always looking at these and talking about these because
he keeps a database where he basically registers every injury
(23:55):
that happens in the NBA. And it's I mean, it's
it's staggering when you do look at it and look
at how many big names have missed time in this postseason.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
It's true, it is way up.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
It is more than say in the past, because Chris
and I always had questioned that, like we don't we
don't have any numbers, but we always feel like it's
way more than we remember when we were beat writers.
Speaker 12 (24:19):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's hard to conclusively say that
because the league will point to and say, yeah, I mean,
you know, in the regular season, all the star number
and you know, all the number of games played were up.
So yeah, I mean, are they going to draw the
league is unlikely. Yeah, I don't see the league publicly
drawing a correlation. But is it something that's going to
(24:41):
be examined in the offseason. I don't think there's any
question about it.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
How about the suns hiring of Mike Budenholes, What do
you make of that? How I thought he couldn't coach?
Speaker 12 (24:52):
Well, look, he's going to see is that key is
he's going to bring more of an offensive bent to
that situation, which you know, if you're if you want
to folks, if you want to identify a knock against
Frank Bogel, obviously Frank Bogel is a defense first coach.
But look, I don't think Frank Vogel deserved to lose
his job at all, but this was this was I mean,
(25:14):
this is the just you know, we always say it's
easier to fire the coach than change the players, but
this is truly like the illustration of that. Because the
Sons are so limited in what they can do with
their roster because of where they stand as a second
Apron tag team. So you know, they had a bunch
of meetings, they met with players, they spent more than
(25:36):
a week looking at it. But this is the way.
Speaker 11 (25:39):
I mean, it was pretty I think inevitable.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
From the time that the Sun season ended getting swept
in Round one, you knew this was going to happen,
that this was this was the most drastic take up
move that the Sons could make. Is it going to
make a difference. Mike Budenholzer is going to run into
the same roster issues that Frank vogelflip face. Now, maybe
the offense will have a different look, can flow better,
(26:05):
and you know, maybe that vibes with Kevin Durant. But
it's gonna be really interesting to see how Mike Budenholzer,
with no relationship with Durant or Booker or Beatle. No
prior relationship with any of those guys as far as
I know, and now he's got to go in there
and establish a program. It's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Nick Nurse, Mike Budenholzer, Frank Vogel, All one championships recently,
all fired recently. Are coaches now Mark kind of looking
at this like, you know what, I know, I'm probably
gonna get fired at some point unless I have this
tremendous championship run a la Steve Kerr. So are they
(26:45):
just looking at it like, look, the money is so great,
I gotta make sure I get a certain number guaranteed
years and then it's just the the the you know,
the hazards are you're gonna be fired at some point,
maybe quickly, but you get that big contract, then that
makes it all.
Speaker 12 (27:01):
Well, it's funny that you asked me this because Chris
Hanes and I today just earlier this afternoon recorded a
podcast with stan Van Gundy and we spent probably half
of it talking about exactly what you're talking about, and
it's reality of modern coaching. The salaries have risen substantially
and we've seen it with the deal Monni Williams got
(27:23):
Detroit and then the deal Greg Popovitch got to stay
in San Antonio, and then Spolstra and then Steve Kerr.
And so when you look at modern coaching salaries, like
the blame clause, it's not officially in there, but you
are paid to some degree because you are going to
get the blame if things don't go well, and you
(27:44):
are probably going to lose your job if things don't
go well. And I mean, just think about the Bank
of Ishpia right now.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
I was just going to ask you that he just
gave out a five year deal, four years left and
now another one, right yeah, So I mean.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
The next season they're paying sixteen million in coaches. But
there's no salary cap for coaches. So if you have
an owner that has the wherewithal to do it, you
will keep seeing that. And you know, Mike Budenholzer certainly
had a lot of leverage here. He knew that the
Sun's had to make a splashy higher if you're going
to go away from Frank Bogel so quickly, and Mike Budenholzer,
(28:24):
by all accounts, has landed himself a very nice deal.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
So where do you think the Lakers go Budenholzer was
a guy that you know was on their list, at
least reportedly.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Where do you think they go from here?
Speaker 12 (28:37):
I mean the Lakers. It's really hard to forecast that
because we still don't know exactly what they will prioritize yet,
and from everything I was told, that's how the Lakers
were going to approach this week with a bunch of
internal meetings to decide do they want to get someone
who has prior head coaching experience or are they willing
(28:58):
to hire another first time coach? And look, Darvin Ham
is frequently described as a first time coach, but I
think it's also important to remember Darvin Ham had been
an assistant in numerous places, including the Lakers. He was
on two Budenholzer staffs. He interviewed for a head coaching position.
I don't know how many times he can I think
somewhere in that neighbors. He was a very seasoned assistant
(29:21):
when they hired him as a quote first time coach.
You know, we've been talking about JJ Reddick, who has
no coaching experience whatsoever. Are the Lakers really willing to.
Speaker 11 (29:31):
Go that route?
Speaker 12 (29:32):
Because jj Rick has a pre existing connection with Lebron
James or are the Lakers going to say we need
some level of experience, We need a Kenny Atkinson or
a James Barrego, we need someone who has been a
head coach before. But exactly what the Lakers are looking for,
we don't really have a handle on that yet. Although
(29:53):
like Budenholzer, you saw the sun just laser in on
Budenholzer and he was going to be the guy from
the first minute. They didn't get a sense really from
the start that the Lakers were going to make a
serious push for Mike Budenholzer. I don't think that was
the direction they were looking. So we're gonna have to
see a name.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
I want to throw out one name. Is there any
chance that Joey Stackhouse gets looked at or now?
Speaker 12 (30:18):
I wouldn't think from the Lakers, but you know what
I mean, honestly, all the other there's no other vacancies
in the league right now. Charlotte just hired Charles Lee
from Boston who kill joined the Hornets after the Celtic season.
So the only I take that back, the Washington Wizards
all are still looking for a coach, and Brian Keith
(30:39):
their interim coach. He is in the mix there, But
the Wizards haven't formally said if they're going to make
a hire or give Brian Keith the job full time.
But since the Lakers right now face no real opposition
in the market, they should bring in fifteen different coaches,
including Stackhouse who just had major college experience, bring in
(31:00):
different people, talk to a lot of different people, and
you know, cast the widest possible net. I mean, they
really have no reason not to.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Do you think Mark Day and we got about two
minutes max for your answer is Missoula, Uh in.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Danger at all? I would think if they don't.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I say, if they'll get out of the East, I
actually think they should go look elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
But do you think he's on the hot seat at all?
Speaker 12 (31:27):
I mean, as we speak right now, no, But if
they didn't get out of the East, yeah, then it's
a different ballgame because the Celtics have no I realized
they don't have chrisps Porzingis right now, and that creates
a size issue for that team that Cleveland exploited in
Game two. But the Celtics can get to the NBA
Finals without having to see Milwaukee, without having to see Philly.
(31:52):
They saw a diminished version of the Heat. Jared Allen
didn't even play last night. I mean, so many things
have lined up for them, and the Pacers just won.
This Knicks Pacer series does have the potential to be
a longer series. But look, even if the Knicks gets
through it, I mean, Dave had so many injuries, like,
(32:14):
Boston has no justification to not get out of the East,
and that should give them some time to try to
get Chris osperzingis right for the finals. So look if Boston,
if Boston doesn't win the conference, yeah, the heat will
be turned up on Missoula in a big way.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
All Right.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
That's Mark Stein out on this League Uncut Great podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
He co hosts with Chris Hayes Mark Great stuff man
having the weekend.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
All right, guys, Ye yeah, Indiana one eleven, New York
one oh six, rob two to one. Knicks lead the
series and the Hicks versus the Knicks is what they're
calling it now.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's that's they've took that from the old days. That
used to be a headline in the daily news. You
know that, right, Chris? Oh yeah, remember yes.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
And uh, the Hicks got a chance to you know,
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we said it. The Pacers one eleven, the Knicks one
oh six. Jalen Brunson did play for the Knicks twenty
(33:54):
six points, six assists, five turnovers, ten of twenty six
shooting in thirty eight minutes. I mean, all things considered, Rob,
that dude's a warrior. I mean, he's you just got
you just gotta tip your cap to him. And also
Robed Josh Hart eighteen rebounds. Josh Hart is a six
(34:15):
to four guard. He right now is in the top
four players in the playoffs in rebounds. He's after like
fourteen rebounds a game in the playoffs, and so got
to want to rebound like like, you gotta wanna rebound
like that people, that's that's how you rebound. Yeah, and
uh and then Dante DiVincenzo, so obviously the Villanova Villanova triumphanate.
Speaker 11 (34:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Devincenzo had thirty five points, robed seven of eleven from Trey.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
So he didn't have anything in the fourth quarter because
he had no Yeah, right, he had seventeen, he had seventh, right,
and he had seventeen in the third.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Chris right, is that right?
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Gd have zero points in the fourth? What he shoot?
Did you see?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Well?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
As a team, they only score sixteen points in the fourth.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
So Indiana, I don't know if they put the clamps
on them or the knicks were just missing. But for
the Pacers, siakam twenty six, Halliburton was a star and
he had thirty five and last game he had thirty four.
So look he's their star.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
And I said it. He looked rob four months ago
like he was about to be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
And now it was starting to look like before the
last couple of games, is this dude even still a star?
You know, he wasn't playing well, and to his credit
the last two games, he's really stepped up thirty five
points tonight when they really needed it. Seven dimes.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
But the I don't want to say start the show
because I think the star.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Was Halliburton, but Andrew Nimhart rob here he hit the
game winning triple.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Here's I mean, what a shot.
Speaker 9 (35:53):
Halliburton double teams out there at the timeline three to shoot,
two to shoot, thirty five foot.
Speaker 13 (35:59):
Travel, the longest shot of his career three porter man
and he probably only took it because he had to.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
Well, the shot clock was running down.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I was right on.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Credit to him. Uh, he'll be five points on the night.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But it's a big shot. It's a big shot in
a big moment, and uh, you know that's what the.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Win this series and he'll be a hero in Indiana
like you know, years, if not longer.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
So good for him. He's had the chore of chasing
around Jalen Brunton.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
And he's gotten a lot of criticism because Bruston obviously
has had his way with him, barbecue, And I think
he's played hard. I think his defense. His one thing
he hasn't done is he hasn't really kept his hands up.
But he stayed in front of Brunston to some degree.
I mean it's hard to stay in front of a
shifty point guard. But I think he's been there with him,
(37:03):
but he hasn't had his hands up in Brunson's crafty
and been able.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
To shoot over him. But Rob, where are you at
on this series?
Speaker 11 (37:10):
Now?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Are you giving Indiana like a legitimate chance to win
this thing?
Speaker 11 (37:14):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Absolutely, I think you know, they lost two really close games,
they lost right on the road, that come home they
win and the Knick's beat up Chris.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
There's a chance.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
All it takes is to win one game and make
you feel different about a situation, and if they win again.
So I don't think the series is over. Even though
the Knicks won the first two, No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
It was the two were in New York.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yep, the Knicks did get a favorable whistle that you know,
maybe because of how to cost him an out, and
he did get fined, but you knew he knew he
was gonna get fined.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Yeah, you gotta find thirty five grand.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, he made his decision when he went to the podium.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
All right, I'm gonna lose some money tonight, right, But
he did it to see if he could get a
better whistle in Game three. Like I said, Rob, if
I'm Indiana, I mean they you gotta feel like you
can win the series no matter what. But with the
Knicks injuries, they are not the same team with our
o Giananoby. It's just as simple as that. I agree,
And they still gave the Pacers all they wanted. They
(38:15):
they win or lose this series. Rob, You're gonna have
nothing but respect for the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (38:21):
Oh yeah, No, they play hard and they've had a run.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
But uh, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
It'd be a good win for Indye.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I mean I think fans, Rob definitely want to see
Nick Celtics.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
You don't want to. I mean, Indiana Boston will not
be as you know, riffting.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
But we needed David Stern to make that one happen.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I'm just kidding, all right, it's the Eye Couple, Rob,
have a great weekend. The Eye Couple crews same. I know,
I will we out piece
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