May 2, 2024 • 33 mins
Train (the band, not the mode of transpo nor the verb “to teach”) is a Grammy award winning pop rock act that you might have heard in Kevin’s mom’s car. The boys put a few Drops Of Jupiter into their metaphorical test tube and find out if it’s solid, liquid, or trash.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Give it a chance, give it a chance, Give it
a chance. Come morning, give it a chance. Give it
a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance.
Good morning, Give it a you want to give it
a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance.
Just hi, everybody, and welcome to give it a chance.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We're very excited to be here. My name is Casey
Jost joining me as every day of my life is
my friend Kevin Devine. Kevin, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm great, Casey. You were so excited you started laughing.
It's like real exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, I'm always I'm always a little excited, especially when
we get to do this. And if you don't know
the show. We like to take songs that either are
hated universally or we don't particularly like, and we like
to give it a chance. And Kevin, are you feeling
Are you feeling optimistic?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah? I mean I'm always feeling optimistic about the opportunity
to discuss universally reviled or personally reviled songs with you.
What's not to be optimistic about it? Oh? Do you
mean about the prospect of what you're gonna hand me
right now?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yes? Oh, all of it? No, No, that too, but yeah, yeah,
so you do. Yeah, like, just to reiterate, you don't
know what song I'm about to tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, I don't know. This is a like blindfold grab
bag poop poop ladder.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Isn't that nice? It's great when you get to do
that all the all the time. You know, it's so
nice when you get to make it to the Milky Way, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, yeah, I was hoping you would bring that up.
I liked I want to talk more about cosmology.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh that's actually that's perfect. That's a that's perfect you know,
uh oh, because I do. What I don't want you
to do is to fall for a shooting star.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh no, wait a minute, Okay, keep going? Is this
can I should I guess? Or should I? I'm closing
my eyes so I don't watching.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You know, you should take a little soul vacation.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And all novel. We're going big today, Yeah, like kind
of big. That's like the best soy latte that you
ever had. Yes, Wow, you got it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's my that's my I can't even that's my favorite lyrics.
So I'm really excited that you get it's the best one.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And the fact that you said soul vacation was really
I was like, oh, okay, they're just tiny little drop
let's cupidter, They're about to be sprinkled everywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
There it is. So I I personally don't like the
song and never have and I bet you there's a
lot of people who love the song and hey, millions,
oh millions for sure. And so I definitely think that
a podcast like this could come off really pretentious. And
because we're even just the idea that like this song
that is like, you know, because sometimes we're you know,
(02:36):
we're gonna have you know, those those like Baha men
who let the dogs out where the world is just
like even even if you like it, you know that
it's it's not great, but you know or you know
that people don't love it. So this song, though, I think,
is like every mom's favorite song, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Have so much. I love so much. Yeah I love
moms and I have so much in the chambre on this.
Oh yeah, but like a predisposition, I actually have a
personal there's.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
A lot I can't wait. All right, so this is
what we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Was my mom actually too. See, yeah it's really good.
You really nailed this. Okay, great and I just reiterate,
we did not this. There was no prep for this.
We know, I mean, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Years of press song.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But also to be clear, we have not. I don't
know if it needs to be explicitly stated if you
are unaware we are about to enter into the world
of train and the song is Drops of Jupiter here
in casey, caseon. I haven't like zoned in on that
(03:44):
song that way. I mean possibly, ever, I feel like
I must have at some time, like when it first happened. Well, well,
let's get you sorry, let's set the table. I have
so many things MO went around, No, I know.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
There's so much to talk about.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I would say.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
My first thought is that I was about like three
quarters away through and I thought, oh no, oh, am
I going to give this a chance. I haven't thought
of a positive thing.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You're like, you've absolutely invalidated the core mission this b
I know that I started being like, I'd like, how's
the bassline? Like, I can I can start us off
on on chancy if you want, and before we even
I mean we can, we can determine if we want
to enter the realm of the personal connection at any point.
(04:27):
Here's what I would say, all right, so when Train
first came out and that song Meet Virginia, which is
not on give it a chancey, because I actually will
make an argument that song is kind of a decent song.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I'm actually blank. I mean I know the core, I
know the meat name of it. Yeah, that's all I know? Though,
Is there now any other lyrics? Tell me that's like
a reality? Oh? Then she walks, oh, yes, yes, okay, okay,
you kind of like you make it sound nice.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, I mean, you know, I am a professional who
sold as many as fifteen thousand records. But look what
I what I thought when that happened. And I might
have been like, I don't know, late nineties, mid to
late nineties, I don't know when this song came out.
So it was a little for that. And I was
definitely like there was enough punting crows and black crows
(05:20):
in it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But I was like, that's a great poll like the
two of them. Yeah, but I also wrote down the
band of the verve pipe totally.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yes, no, it's in that. This is sorry, I'm punching
the microphone. This is more. This definitely falls more in
the like that, and then like kind of like whatever
moment the Goo Goo Dolls break out of like sort
of scrappy Minnesota punk Bear or wherever they were from
Buffalo by way of like Husker Do and Replacements or whatever,
(05:49):
and they kind of become like a radio band. This
is definitely a little bit more of that. But I
feel like when when Meet Virginia first came out, I
had a moment where I was like, oh, this is
kind of cool. I didn't buy the record or anything,
but I liked I liked Counting Crow's first two records,
and I like that it was the Southern harmony whatever
the first Black CROs record was, And I was like, oh,
(06:11):
this kind of sounds like that. This to me, there
are moments at first of all, it is an immaculately
produced and arranged song and and and and engineered from
maximum duration. It's like so clean, yeah, And it's perfectly
the arc of the song where things come in, where
they drop out, the emotional information of the recording itself.
(06:35):
This is why it's a huge song. It was. It
was flawlessly executed. And the dude I don't know his
name has a train, his name trained and mister Train, Yeah,
he has a soul well delivery and he's committed, and
he's very clearly living in a space that's between there's.
He's like, he thinks these lyrics are like both insightful, meaningful, profound,
(06:56):
and a little funny. He's trying to be a little funny. Yeah, Yeah,
And I will give him credit for the attempt to
trying to live in that space is vulnerable. It opens
you up to exactly what we're doing right now, which
is like, is it funny to talk about soy lattes
and fried chicken and a serious song about like love
and companionship and I don't know astrology or whatever is
(07:19):
going on here? No, Like it's actually I may think
it's patent lee ludicris, but I give you credit for
stepping into the breach because it's a hard breach. And
the last thing I would say, as from the gift
for the give it a chancey, is just that there
are moments of genuine sweetness that do puncture the bullshit
(07:40):
facade where he's there's something in there about basically the
thing about like, uh, these things that are hallmarks of
new love. Five hour phone conversations. No, I think he
says no pride at one point, which like genuinely a
spiritual axiom, like how do I let go of my
personal like go and pride?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I agree, there are those moments. I can't believe
that he got there though, because he says things that
don't like really don't make sense, or like that you
know sound, you know, it sounds like real, like acts
like summer, walks like rain. Listen, what does that mean?
Listen like spring, talk like June like. It's like I'll
have to really search to understand that metaphor pull from
(08:22):
something that is not just there.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yo. And also I actually while we were muted and listening,
I actually was talking to you. There's a lyric early
in the song where he says, yeah, since the return
of her stay on the moon. I want to break
that down. What the car I was gonna swear? I
don't know if swearings allowed, I swear what the fuck
(08:46):
does that mean? Since the return of her stay on
the moon. So does that mean she's returned from the moon? Yeah,
her stay has returned, so she's back on the moon.
That's confers using language. And I know this isn't a
creative writing class or it's not like lit one on one,
but come on, you can't. This is an attempt to
(09:07):
have this is I'm moving away from giving it a chancey,
I'm taking away the chancey. This is an attempt to
like be like poetic, uh, flowery language, dylan esque or something.
But that doesn't make any sense at all, and not
in a cool way, not in a like you know,
there's the bones of electricity howl in the bone, the
(09:29):
ghost of electricity howls, and the bones of her face.
That's a Bobdyel lyric. I don't know exactly what that means,
but it's fucking great.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I agree, it's not it's
not there because you know, he tried, he attempts a
lyric like that. But then he also says she checks
out Mozart while she does ty bo, which is great.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's the moment I was on mute and I love.
Earlier in the podcast, he said, like, you know, about
the potential pretentiousness perceived in an effort in what we're doing,
Like yes, like basically like two white of a certain
demographic information living in Brooklyn, New York, sitting and picking
apart a song that has you know, millions of people
(10:07):
have found joy and some sort of like conviviality, and
but honestly, look, someone's got to do it. And if
it's you and me, it's your truth. Is that lyric
I started saying to you on mute. It was it
was like a gut, I was going, it's contemptible, it's
utterly con It's.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Like NRICs like that, like you could just like I
could make a whole list just off the dome. That's
just like she does construction whilst her paints her nails.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Like it's like she thinks she sounded.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
But she's more like tells you, well, man, did you
sound cross?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Did you make it to the milky way? So I
like where it brought me to of the era and
like a phrase like tybo, like I literally wrote it
down on the piece of paper in all caps. I
also spelled the wrong it's spelled the t YbO because
that's how long it's benstance. I saw that words spelled.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's my boy, it's different that it is.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And I but I took me to a place and
I think you might have a story here, you know,
But I was just I was just picturing like my
not even my mom, but like my friend Danny's mom,
like like singing it like either at like a wedding
or like like even just maybe seeing Train live and
being so happy singing the song that like got her
into this band, that maybe she likes the deep tracks
(11:34):
of Train and it made me just happy, like like
picturing her singing it. Also, before we go too far,
some of the lyrics are like very easy to memorize
and probably really fun this sing along. But then there's
like a lot of sections where I'm like, it's it's
it's like polyrhythmic and the words are kind of like
it's hard to I'd be hard to memorize unless you're
(11:55):
like a super fan, which I give them credit that
like this is a big radio song and that has
moment and like that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Almost of like yeah, like like a percussive scatting like
that plain Old Jane told a story about a man
who was too afraid to fly by like that. You
can remember all the words to that even if you
heard it. Yeah, even if he's singing a karaoke every
that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, it's And going back to Dylan, it is that
like there's in the base Man mixing enough the.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Men, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And I totally sorry yes,
that's that's it. That's check your train.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
But so I need to hear the story about your mom.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well I want you know, I guess you know ours
is a rangy pod, and so there will be some
This has a dollop of like hyper seriousness in it,
but well you know that's we're not We're allowed. My
dad passed away in two thousand and three. My mom
is a big music fan, like kind of the primary
entry point for me with music. And that's something we've
(12:56):
shared throughout my whole life and and and that's been
a very cool thing. So after he passed, I would
go to some concerts with her that she might have
gone to with him. I mean, if she could have
convinced him. And that would have been also a subject
of some debates. I think the right m in sum
ed would have sat out. But so one of the
things was she had tickets. This is crazy in retrospect,
(13:18):
and we saw, I mean we saw some great stuff.
We saw like Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young at Masson
Square Guard or Oe there and saw Don Henley at
like Hammerstein Ballroom or something in New York. But anyway,
she had tickets to train at the Bowery Ballroom, which
if you are an uninitiated not not somebody who's from
New York or or familiar with the this is like
a six hundred capacity little but wonderful venerated club in
(13:43):
the lower East Side of.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Manhattan, which is where is by the way, is underrated. Yeah,
oh yeah, Manhattan is definitely okay.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I had, Yeah, this takes a milky way in Heaven
and yeah, yeah, but the lights are faded. But so
I said sure. And I was not a train fan
per se, but I was a fan of my mom.
I am a fan of my mom. So she was like,
gonna go see trained. Do you want to go? It
was like totally, and I don't. I don't drink or
(14:15):
do drugs anymore, but I did when I was a
younger person, and at this time in my life, I
still was doing that. And I kind of just got
like irrevocably loaded hanging out one on one with my
mom wow at a train show where effectively, I don't
know if this dude maybe maybe Jane broke up with
him or Jupiter stopped dropping, but he had been going
through something and it was like an underplay where they
(14:38):
were doing Bowery ballroom as like some sort of like
special thing in advance of a new record, because that
man could play I think places. And what I remember
is they did a lot of covers. They did like
Raspberry Beret. They did hard to handle, the way the
Black Crows do hard to handle. It was like covering
the cover, you know, it's and they deaf. But at
(15:01):
some point they broke out the drops drop and it
was one of those things like in spite of yourself,
you're like in a room with six hundred people having
like a quasi religious experience to this sort of like ridiculous,
ephemeral song about Tybeau and chicken. But oh sorry. Part
of the thing too with the song, as we think
about the lyrical stuff and the movements, those percussom scatty things,
(15:23):
and that getting to bring back up the chicken made
me think of it. It's not like when Bare Naked
Ladies does something like this and there's like a hitch
element to it, right, But this is delivered in a
way that's almost supposed to be received as like serious music.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
From the piano opening, Yes, it tells you like that.
That's like I think I wrote. Then that's the cleanest
most sterile piano I've ever heard of in my life.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's not and it's like, yeah, it's not even a
piano whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, it's like definitely some digital. It's like it's like
a robot trying to imperson it's AI trying to impersonate.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Very early AI. It's very yeah, but it's.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, so it's serious, yeah, serious tests and.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So sorry I jumped out of the but that I mean. So,
I mean I have personal experience of being in a room,
not at someone's wedding, but not a karaoke when I
don't know justin Train whatever his name is, is this
song and he was like what I really remember is
it was like kind of like in between songs, he
was like talking about like his divorce and stuff, like
(16:23):
we're people, he's and he was moving through some sort
of dark chapter. And also this was like two thousand
and four or five. When we left the Bowery, everyone
was handed it was like early on in this thing.
They my mom, I'm sure has this somewhere. They pressed
a CD of the show. Remember when people were doing that, Like.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, could that's amazing? I didn't even know we could
still do that.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
You definitely can still do it, but at that point
it was like a new thing. And what was odd
was the people who were doing it were like, not
to get too off track, but like people like Trent Resnor,
like tech Forward, like nine inch Nails would like hide
flash drives in bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh I love that, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But so also they would like press CDs and this
was like you walked out of the Train show and
you got handed a CD of Train doing like led
Zeppelin prints whatever and then fucking drops the Jupiter.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Oh yeah, So I can't believe that so from that
live show or like from a different cause that I
probably sound like a new but like I didn't even
know you could do that. I mean I knew that
the technology exists, but I would just assume there's like that,
like before you even said that, you'd have to have
an agreement, like yeah, that was a good show, or
like no, I actually said that thing that could be
taken out of contact? Yeah, you know, like I maybe
(17:30):
then they wouldn't they wouldn't even be thinking like that,
but I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, that's a great I don't know what the deal
is with it, because I do remember being surprised that
there couldn't really have been a vetting process. There was
no time it was, especially on CD, like on CIT
like I would almost think, like, oh, everyone, check your email.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
In five minutes, you're gonna have it. You're gonna have
like the the entire morning.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah. Yeah, like we're gonna just run this back for.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The printed CDs like that they have.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Like they had burners and they had U and I
guess they might must have had it set up through
you know, pro tools or something like that. Anyway, not
to get too lost in the weeds, but I think.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's crazy because I mean, unless I mean you're saying
that that existed at least this was.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Like eighteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, did a lot of bands do that?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think some did.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I mean, I'm so hung up on this right, It's
like I'm like amazed by the technology because I'm like,
I just remember, like last time I burned to CD
was a long time ago, but I still remember it
takes a long and like there would be a buffering
stage and.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, there were definitely Glitch's galore and I think, what
was you know, I just remember thinking it was kind
of like a punk rock thing for a band like
Train to be doing I was like, whoa, and this
is all really just to say, uh, you know that
night what I witnessed was a band who you know,
I gave him a chancey and they they were a
(18:47):
competent you know, rock and roll outfit who very credibly
covered all these songs, delivered their own. But it is.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Odd to cover from your like direct comparison, like because
if you you know, covering is just the best, it's
like so cool. And but I do think there's like,
all right, so years and years ago, you're good friend
of mine, Brian Bonds.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yes, you went on the.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Road, just like opening and for some acts, but like
just a little tour lot. This was probably like around
two thousand and three. We opened for just for one show.
We opened for the band nine Days.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh is that a story of a girl?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yes? It is. This is a story of a girl.
H it's not it's it's not great, but it's not bad.
It's it's it's somewhere in between. And that's why I
think it's gray area that unless it was really on
a list, I wouldn't put it there, but like no
fly list, Yeah, if it gets on the no fly
list or something like that, but you know. I think
that it's the thing that was interesting and you brought
(19:52):
up was that they played their song in the middle
of the set, the Story of a Girl, but they
also played that song as a closer, so they played
it twice, which is wild.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Also covered like semi charmed kind of life and stuff
of that time, and I remember being like a little
it was like a little bit like, oh, like I
think that they're trying, you know, but there's also a
show in their hometown of Long Island, so I was
like at a small venue. I was like, it made
me feel it was it was kind of a bummer
because I was kind of like, even with a hit
(20:24):
like that, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Tough, it's a cruel industry. It's a cruel world. This
is I gotta kill, I gotta jump out the window
with all these train references. Yeah, I feel like. We
(20:52):
actually played a show last night on Long Island at
a very Long Island venue opening for a band from
Long Island, and they were like, ah, posters and advertisements
up all over the place for people who had played
there and would play there, and one of the things
was a band called this Speaks to what You're talking
about and speaks to the realities I think of all
this kind of stuff. There was a band called the
(21:12):
Warped Tour Band Okay, and were We're five dudes, each
of whom kind of looked like a prominent dude from
one of the bands that has done the Warped Tour
probably numerous times. And people were telling me there was
people who would come up to the merch table and
we would talk a little, and someone said, like they'd
(21:34):
seen them several times and what they'd do is like
a song by each of those bands, that's the set.
And I think, like that's clear. They're clear delineation. They
were a cover band. They're not like a tribute yeah
a band, Yeah, they're they're paying tribute to a scene,
to a moment in time, and that serves something. People
love that. It's a source of a side of community,
(21:56):
a side of nostalgia, a side of like give me
a break from banalities of my day to day life
or whatever, you know. And I think, and for the musicians,
I think, if you're in a clear if you know
that's what it is, well, then that's you going and
doing that thing. And I've had I have so many
friends who do various things with music from various directions,
and everyone thinks the grass is a little like I'm
(22:17):
sure that band probably gets paid better to know like
that than probably like a band like ours does. But
a band like that is like I would love it if,
like anybody cared about the songs I write. What's interesting
about the show you just described is that they were
sort of having both experiences at the same time. And
that's confusing. That's like some kind of weird psychological hell
(22:40):
to be like they love this one song. What other
songs are these people like, Yeah, semi charp life, I know,
let's we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
There were some others too, like maybe like Googo doll
stuff like Matchbox twenty, but.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
They were doing both. That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I would almost say like it's probably better to like
be like, you know, people might come because they know
that we have that song, but like why don't we rebrand?
And then I'd be like, yeah, that's that's smart. That's
like that's a decision.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's a decision, and it's.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Fun that way. But it might be it might have
been like an in between. Maybe they are doing that,
and I think more power to them. It's really a
mark of how hard the industry is in terms of
like you could have a massive song, oh and still
it's tough.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Oh absolutely. I mean I almost think for most people
it's like, uh, I mean this could be this could
be its own whole thing, so lost in a cul
de sac on this. I almost feel like to have
that degree of sort of like a visibility and success
around one thing if you then want to can. I
(23:42):
think it's why there are certain people who might have
been looked at as like pretentious or art damaged or
spiteful or whatever, who like really pushed back against their
one song, whether it was you know, I don't know,
Radiohea or sneade O'Connor Nirvana. There's there's a lot of them,
but that we're like either like, well, we're just gonna
stop playing that song, or and see what happens, right right? Yeah,
(24:04):
I think I think to be caught. It's like I
see do you ever see the movie The Wrestler? Yes,
so the scenes where like the older wrestlers who have
phased out of like major are like at VFW hall's
with merch tables set up selling signed pictures of themselves.
I will tell you as like a touring independent musician.
(24:24):
I was like, oh my god, that's a little clip.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It hits home.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, and I think you know that the the the idea.
But but there's multiple ways to look at that too.
It's like you know, everybody's it's if you're still in
pursuit of the thing that animates you and you're like, uh,
in love with it and making a living, well, then
you're in love with it and making a living. But
the other side is like you didn't have drops Jupiter
in your pocket.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
What's interesting is that I think there's a huge difference
between like we even just meant mentioned that other trained
song meet Virginia Virginia. Yeah, right, so that's just two
song is that like we both know and you know,
like they had a trained cruise like they they've done.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That big hit later that was maybe even bigger than these,
which was well after you and I would have been
aware of it. So Hey Soul sister. Oh they're hey
Soul's sister too, So that that's actually kind of wild
because they.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
That's huge. So that's they see, they they played the game.
Then they they stayed relevant for long enough that they
you know, like that's that's really that's that's really impressive.
Then I guess that's what I give him a chance.
That's really just I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, and I think they kind of also, this might
be treading into territory. We can decide if we want
to tread into in this pod. But I also think
what happened with I want to say his names like
Patrick Monaghan, it.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Is that that is I looked it up. I don't
interrupt you, but yeah, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'm glad that you didn't interrupt.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Which is I think another reason why your mom liked
the band. That's like always good Irish, good Irish.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, I don't know why my mom is not from
like AUT's.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You're like, what matter? I was like, wait what?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I feel like he also, around the time of Hay
Soul's sister was a pop adjacent musician, adult contemp or whatever,
who was like comfortable using some non traditional music media
to reach his audience, I e. Places like Fox News
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I kind of feel like he made a little pivot.
I just did a weird thing with my hand that
you can't see listening, but it was like a weird
upside down felt it in your voice though, Yeah, I
was trying to scoop with my voice. And it's interesting,
well smart marketing thing if you are like interested, and
I you know.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
That's the future now Like now it's like people really
find those niches and like dial in you can.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, absolutely, And and also you know, I don't know
anything about Patrick, but if maybe he felt like his
bread was being buttered on both sides by attending something
like that. But I kind of remember them playing like
on morning shows. I was like in a hotel somewhere.
I was like, is that train? I'm like Fox this morning?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, well there. But they're a band that I think
would be I we've talked about this song which might
which might feature down the line. I don't want to
go into too much though, So you had a bad day, right,
Like they could write that, they could write that.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I did, like, that's that soul Sister is like.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It could have been in just every episode of American Idol.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And what I will say about I'm sure and I
am sure the people on American Idol, the voice whatever
sing this song. I'm sure if you combed through there's
some season where someone does drops Jupiter or Hay soel like,
you know, I think that that's funny. The immediate response
I had to this song starting was a kind of
(27:51):
like there's something about the rhythm of that piano and
everything where I'm like, you can both identify and maybe
that's maybe what we're describing here is like the mo
of this highre series of conversations you and I have.
It is both utterly perfect as what it is and
totally reprehensible, Like there's thing about it that just stylistically,
(28:14):
someone listening to this might be like, what an asshole,
and they might be right, but and it's all aesthetic
and it's all subjective and a matter of what you
like and don't that is so manicured in this way.
It is both perfect and also something that I'm like,
come on, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's like it's both soulful and soulless. I don't know
exactly on who's looking at it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's either a sole vacation or a sole vocation, you
know what I mean? Either way?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
You know, did you watch the music video as you watch?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
No I listen?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Okay, that's good because I think there's people probably like
are driving and don't I don't want them to actually
watch something. But I watched the music video and I
this happens to me sometimes with athletes. I was like,
they're an age I'll never be and I'm probably older
than where they are, but totally like, there's certain people
(29:06):
like are like, you know, there's certain the way that
people look at a certain time, Like I'm like, I
can't tell your age, you seem older, younger, like you've lived.
And I feel that way with like athletes for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
One hundred percent. I still feel that way where I'll
be at like I'm forty four next week and I'll
be at like a Knicks game. I brought my daughter
to the Knicks game earlier this year on like a
day off from school, and I'm like, I could literally
be half of the people playing. I could be their dad. Yeah,
But I'm also like, they're always going to be older
(29:39):
than me. There is something about that, and I think
that's maybe an effect of media, like how we receive
people like athletes and celebrities or whatever. Then the the
other side of that is, certainly there are certain people
who percolate in the culture now that I'm like that
person seems like they're like nine, I know, twenty five.
(29:59):
That's just part of aging.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's so true. It is so true. I was talking
to a band that I you know, like a punk band,
Diet Sig.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
You Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They lived in Williamsburg for a little bit and I
talked to them and I were just talking and to me,
they felt like the same age as me, but they're
definitely not, but just in talk and then I said
something like, oh, it's kind of like we're talking about
and I said it's kind of like TLC's waterfalls and
they were like, what's that and.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Ill yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I was like, okay, there's the age.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
There's well, dude, I will I tour and I play
now at this point often with bands that are sometimes
ten to fifteen years younger than me fifteen years old,
and sometimes I play with bands either like I go
to preschools and I just know. But no, there's and
then every once in a while I get to open,
like you know, when I did a tour with Not
(30:48):
a Surf last year and there that was nice because
I was like, oh, I'm like the young person. They're
all like in the fifties and sixties, but like, but
on this most recent trip with a really good band
from from Cincinnati called Motherff. They're all in there, they're
around thirty, and I would play and sometimes if I
was like in a mood to like be silly, I
would like, you know, this is my next I'll play
(31:08):
my next song, and then I would like play the
beginning of like Stairway to Heaven or like you know,
like whatever, some some rinth like funny yeah, and I
will tell you fewer and fewer people know what the
hell's going on. Like if the younger the audiences get,
the more I'm like, I have to update those jokes
I've learned from like Olivia Rodrico something. But then I'm
(31:29):
also like, you can't do that. That's like pandering. At
that point, you just get you know, you are who
you are, play it and that's ultimately what Drops Jupiter
is about.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
To me, it is Yes, you're right, it is guy
ends who he is.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He's gonna try to poke around. It's some kind of
cosmic significance while also talking shit about like cultural ephemera
that will be dated ten minutes after the song comes out.
And I feel like he kind of does this throughout
their ubra as far as I can see. It's like
a feature of how he writes. But this was his
real This is the mona Lisa for this is a
top point.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And I will continue this day saying no, no, no,
like he really that's not even like his main thing.
That's just an extra little thing he threw in there
and all those aa yay, Like that's that. I've heard
this technique, this technique that a friend told me that
like he's a musician, told me that Prince said in
(32:21):
an interview was like, just keep making sounds throughout the
recording and people will want to listen.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I think that's what he's doing. And so he's channeling
Prince and I give him. I give him a chance
for that. I think it's interesting. Always give Prince a chance. Well,
that wraps it up. We did it, We did it.
I'm gonna get a soy lata now.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, I'm gonna go do some tabo and have some
chicken and check out Mozart. Always remember people check out Mozart.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Check it out and our sponsor today, Mozart. I love you, buddy,
I'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I love you too. Case Wah, were getting
Speaker 3 (33:04):
H
Give it a chance, give it a chance, Give it
a chance. Come morning, give it a chance. Give it
a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance.
Good morning, Give it a you want to give it
a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance.
Just hi, everybody, and welcome to give it a chance.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We're very excited to be here. My name is Casey
Jost joining me as every day of my life is
my friend Kevin Devine. Kevin, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm great, Casey. You were so excited you started laughing.
It's like real exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, I'm always I'm always a little excited, especially when
we get to do this. And if you don't know
the show. We like to take songs that either are
hated universally or we don't particularly like, and we like
to give it a chance. And Kevin, are you feeling
Are you feeling optimistic?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah? I mean I'm always feeling optimistic about the opportunity
to discuss universally reviled or personally reviled songs with you.
What's not to be optimistic about it? Oh? Do you
mean about the prospect of what you're gonna hand me
right now?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yes? Oh, all of it? No, No, that too, but yeah, yeah,
so you do. Yeah, like, just to reiterate, you don't
know what song I'm about to tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, I don't know. This is a like blindfold grab
bag poop poop ladder.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Isn't that nice? It's great when you get to do
that all the all the time. You know, it's so
nice when you get to make it to the Milky Way, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, yeah, I was hoping you would bring that up.
I liked I want to talk more about cosmology.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh that's actually that's perfect. That's a that's perfect you know,
uh oh, because I do. What I don't want you
to do is to fall for a shooting star.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh no, wait a minute, Okay, keep going? Is this
can I should I guess? Or should I? I'm closing
my eyes so I don't watching.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You know, you should take a little soul vacation.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And all novel. We're going big today, Yeah, like kind
of big. That's like the best soy latte that you
ever had. Yes, Wow, you got it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's my that's my I can't even that's my favorite lyrics.
So I'm really excited that you get it's the best one.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And the fact that you said soul vacation was really
I was like, oh, okay, they're just tiny little drop
let's cupidter, They're about to be sprinkled everywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
There it is. So I I personally don't like the
song and never have and I bet you there's a
lot of people who love the song and hey, millions,
oh millions for sure. And so I definitely think that
a podcast like this could come off really pretentious. And
because we're even just the idea that like this song
that is like, you know, because sometimes we're you know,
(02:36):
we're gonna have you know, those those like Baha men
who let the dogs out where the world is just
like even even if you like it, you know that
it's it's not great, but you know or you know
that people don't love it. So this song, though, I think,
is like every mom's favorite song, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Have so much. I love so much. Yeah I love
moms and I have so much in the chambre on this.
Oh yeah, but like a predisposition, I actually have a
personal there's.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
A lot I can't wait. All right, so this is
what we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Was my mom actually too. See, yeah it's really good.
You really nailed this. Okay, great and I just reiterate,
we did not this. There was no prep for this.
We know, I mean, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Years of press song.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But also to be clear, we have not. I don't
know if it needs to be explicitly stated if you
are unaware we are about to enter into the world
of train and the song is Drops of Jupiter here
in casey, caseon. I haven't like zoned in on that
(03:44):
song that way. I mean possibly, ever, I feel like
I must have at some time, like when it first happened. Well, well,
let's get you sorry, let's set the table. I have
so many things MO went around, No, I know.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
There's so much to talk about.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I would say.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
My first thought is that I was about like three
quarters away through and I thought, oh no, oh, am
I going to give this a chance. I haven't thought
of a positive thing.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You're like, you've absolutely invalidated the core mission this b
I know that I started being like, I'd like, how's
the bassline? Like, I can I can start us off
on on chancy if you want, and before we even
I mean we can, we can determine if we want
to enter the realm of the personal connection at any point.
(04:27):
Here's what I would say, all right, so when Train
first came out and that song Meet Virginia, which is
not on give it a chancey, because I actually will
make an argument that song is kind of a decent song.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I'm actually blank. I mean I know the core, I
know the meat name of it. Yeah, that's all I know? Though,
Is there now any other lyrics? Tell me that's like
a reality? Oh? Then she walks, oh, yes, yes, okay, okay,
you kind of like you make it sound nice.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, I mean, you know, I am a professional who
sold as many as fifteen thousand records. But look what
I what I thought when that happened. And I might
have been like, I don't know, late nineties, mid to
late nineties, I don't know when this song came out.
So it was a little for that. And I was
definitely like there was enough punting crows and black crows
(05:20):
in it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But I was like, that's a great poll like the
two of them. Yeah, but I also wrote down the
band of the verve pipe totally.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yes, no, it's in that. This is sorry, I'm punching
the microphone. This is more. This definitely falls more in
the like that, and then like kind of like whatever
moment the Goo Goo Dolls break out of like sort
of scrappy Minnesota punk Bear or wherever they were from
Buffalo by way of like Husker Do and Replacements or whatever,
(05:49):
and they kind of become like a radio band. This
is definitely a little bit more of that. But I
feel like when when Meet Virginia first came out, I
had a moment where I was like, oh, this is
kind of cool. I didn't buy the record or anything,
but I liked I liked Counting Crow's first two records,
and I like that it was the Southern harmony whatever
the first Black CROs record was, And I was like, oh,
(06:11):
this kind of sounds like that. This to me, there
are moments at first of all, it is an immaculately
produced and arranged song and and and and engineered from
maximum duration. It's like so clean, yeah, And it's perfectly
the arc of the song where things come in, where
they drop out, the emotional information of the recording itself.
(06:35):
This is why it's a huge song. It was. It
was flawlessly executed. And the dude I don't know his
name has a train, his name trained and mister Train, Yeah,
he has a soul well delivery and he's committed, and
he's very clearly living in a space that's between there's.
He's like, he thinks these lyrics are like both insightful, meaningful, profound,
(06:56):
and a little funny. He's trying to be a little funny. Yeah, Yeah,
And I will give him credit for the attempt to
trying to live in that space is vulnerable. It opens
you up to exactly what we're doing right now, which
is like, is it funny to talk about soy lattes
and fried chicken and a serious song about like love
and companionship and I don't know astrology or whatever is
(07:19):
going on here? No, Like it's actually I may think
it's patent lee ludicris, but I give you credit for
stepping into the breach because it's a hard breach. And
the last thing I would say, as from the gift
for the give it a chancey, is just that there
are moments of genuine sweetness that do puncture the bullshit
(07:40):
facade where he's there's something in there about basically the
thing about like, uh, these things that are hallmarks of
new love. Five hour phone conversations. No, I think he
says no pride at one point, which like genuinely a
spiritual axiom, like how do I let go of my
personal like go and pride?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I agree, there are those moments. I can't believe
that he got there though, because he says things that
don't like really don't make sense, or like that you
know sound, you know, it sounds like real, like acts
like summer, walks like rain. Listen, what does that mean?
Listen like spring, talk like June like. It's like I'll
have to really search to understand that metaphor pull from
(08:22):
something that is not just there.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yo. And also I actually while we were muted and listening,
I actually was talking to you. There's a lyric early
in the song where he says, yeah, since the return
of her stay on the moon. I want to break
that down. What the car I was gonna swear? I
don't know if swearings allowed, I swear what the fuck
(08:46):
does that mean? Since the return of her stay on
the moon. So does that mean she's returned from the moon? Yeah,
her stay has returned, so she's back on the moon.
That's confers using language. And I know this isn't a
creative writing class or it's not like lit one on one,
but come on, you can't. This is an attempt to
(09:07):
have this is I'm moving away from giving it a chancey,
I'm taking away the chancey. This is an attempt to
like be like poetic, uh, flowery language, dylan esque or something.
But that doesn't make any sense at all, and not
in a cool way, not in a like you know,
there's the bones of electricity howl in the bone, the
(09:29):
ghost of electricity howls, and the bones of her face.
That's a Bobdyel lyric. I don't know exactly what that means,
but it's fucking great.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I agree, it's not it's
not there because you know, he tried, he attempts a
lyric like that. But then he also says she checks
out Mozart while she does ty bo, which is great.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's the moment I was on mute and I love.
Earlier in the podcast, he said, like, you know, about
the potential pretentiousness perceived in an effort in what we're doing,
Like yes, like basically like two white of a certain
demographic information living in Brooklyn, New York, sitting and picking
apart a song that has you know, millions of people
(10:07):
have found joy and some sort of like conviviality, and
but honestly, look, someone's got to do it. And if
it's you and me, it's your truth. Is that lyric
I started saying to you on mute. It was it
was like a gut, I was going, it's contemptible, it's
utterly con It's.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Like NRICs like that, like you could just like I
could make a whole list just off the dome. That's
just like she does construction whilst her paints her nails.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Like it's like she thinks she sounded.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
But she's more like tells you, well, man, did you
sound cross?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Did you make it to the milky way? So I
like where it brought me to of the era and
like a phrase like tybo, like I literally wrote it
down on the piece of paper in all caps. I
also spelled the wrong it's spelled the t YbO because
that's how long it's benstance. I saw that words spelled.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's my boy, it's different that it is.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And I but I took me to a place and
I think you might have a story here, you know,
But I was just I was just picturing like my
not even my mom, but like my friend Danny's mom,
like like singing it like either at like a wedding
or like like even just maybe seeing Train live and
being so happy singing the song that like got her
into this band, that maybe she likes the deep tracks
(11:34):
of Train and it made me just happy, like like
picturing her singing it. Also, before we go too far,
some of the lyrics are like very easy to memorize
and probably really fun this sing along. But then there's
like a lot of sections where I'm like, it's it's
it's like polyrhythmic and the words are kind of like
it's hard to I'd be hard to memorize unless you're
(11:55):
like a super fan, which I give them credit that
like this is a big radio song and that has
moment and like that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Almost of like yeah, like like a percussive scatting like
that plain Old Jane told a story about a man
who was too afraid to fly by like that. You
can remember all the words to that even if you
heard it. Yeah, even if he's singing a karaoke every
that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, it's And going back to Dylan, it is that
like there's in the base Man mixing enough the.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Men, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And I totally sorry yes,
that's that's it. That's check your train.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
But so I need to hear the story about your mom.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well I want you know, I guess you know ours
is a rangy pod, and so there will be some
This has a dollop of like hyper seriousness in it,
but well you know that's we're not We're allowed. My
dad passed away in two thousand and three. My mom
is a big music fan, like kind of the primary
entry point for me with music. And that's something we've
(12:56):
shared throughout my whole life and and and that's been
a very cool thing. So after he passed, I would
go to some concerts with her that she might have
gone to with him. I mean, if she could have
convinced him. And that would have been also a subject
of some debates. I think the right m in sum
ed would have sat out. But so one of the
things was she had tickets. This is crazy in retrospect,
(13:18):
and we saw, I mean we saw some great stuff.
We saw like Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young at Masson
Square Guard or Oe there and saw Don Henley at
like Hammerstein Ballroom or something in New York. But anyway,
she had tickets to train at the Bowery Ballroom, which
if you are an uninitiated not not somebody who's from
New York or or familiar with the this is like
a six hundred capacity little but wonderful venerated club in
(13:43):
the lower East Side of.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Manhattan, which is where is by the way, is underrated. Yeah,
oh yeah, Manhattan is definitely okay.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I had, Yeah, this takes a milky way in Heaven
and yeah, yeah, but the lights are faded. But so
I said sure. And I was not a train fan
per se, but I was a fan of my mom.
I am a fan of my mom. So she was like,
gonna go see trained. Do you want to go? It
was like totally, and I don't. I don't drink or
(14:15):
do drugs anymore, but I did when I was a
younger person, and at this time in my life, I
still was doing that. And I kind of just got
like irrevocably loaded hanging out one on one with my
mom wow at a train show where effectively, I don't
know if this dude maybe maybe Jane broke up with
him or Jupiter stopped dropping, but he had been going
through something and it was like an underplay where they
(14:38):
were doing Bowery ballroom as like some sort of like
special thing in advance of a new record, because that
man could play I think places. And what I remember
is they did a lot of covers. They did like
Raspberry Beret. They did hard to handle, the way the
Black Crows do hard to handle. It was like covering
the cover, you know, it's and they deaf. But at
(15:01):
some point they broke out the drops drop and it
was one of those things like in spite of yourself,
you're like in a room with six hundred people having
like a quasi religious experience to this sort of like ridiculous,
ephemeral song about Tybeau and chicken. But oh sorry. Part
of the thing too with the song, as we think
about the lyrical stuff and the movements, those percussom scatty things,
(15:23):
and that getting to bring back up the chicken made
me think of it. It's not like when Bare Naked
Ladies does something like this and there's like a hitch
element to it, right, But this is delivered in a
way that's almost supposed to be received as like serious music.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
From the piano opening, Yes, it tells you like that.
That's like I think I wrote. Then that's the cleanest
most sterile piano I've ever heard of in my life.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's not and it's like, yeah, it's not even a
piano whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, it's like definitely some digital. It's like it's like
a robot trying to imperson it's AI trying to impersonate.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Very early AI. It's very yeah, but it's.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, so it's serious, yeah, serious tests and.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So sorry I jumped out of the but that I mean. So,
I mean I have personal experience of being in a room,
not at someone's wedding, but not a karaoke when I
don't know justin Train whatever his name is, is this
song and he was like what I really remember is
it was like kind of like in between songs, he
was like talking about like his divorce and stuff, like
(16:23):
we're people, he's and he was moving through some sort
of dark chapter. And also this was like two thousand
and four or five. When we left the Bowery, everyone
was handed it was like early on in this thing.
They my mom, I'm sure has this somewhere. They pressed
a CD of the show. Remember when people were doing that, Like.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, could that's amazing? I didn't even know we could
still do that.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
You definitely can still do it, but at that point
it was like a new thing. And what was odd
was the people who were doing it were like, not
to get too off track, but like people like Trent Resnor,
like tech Forward, like nine inch Nails would like hide
flash drives in bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh I love that, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But so also they would like press CDs and this
was like you walked out of the Train show and
you got handed a CD of Train doing like led
Zeppelin prints whatever and then fucking drops the Jupiter.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Oh yeah, So I can't believe that so from that
live show or like from a different cause that I
probably sound like a new but like I didn't even
know you could do that. I mean I knew that
the technology exists, but I would just assume there's like that,
like before you even said that, you'd have to have
an agreement, like yeah, that was a good show, or
like no, I actually said that thing that could be
taken out of contact? Yeah, you know, like I maybe
(17:30):
then they wouldn't they wouldn't even be thinking like that,
but I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, that's a great I don't know what the deal
is with it, because I do remember being surprised that
there couldn't really have been a vetting process. There was
no time it was, especially on CD, like on CIT
like I would almost think, like, oh, everyone, check your email.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
In five minutes, you're gonna have it. You're gonna have
like the the entire morning.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah. Yeah, like we're gonna just run this back for.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The printed CDs like that they have.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Like they had burners and they had U and I
guess they might must have had it set up through
you know, pro tools or something like that. Anyway, not
to get too lost in the weeds, but I think.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
That's crazy because I mean, unless I mean you're saying
that that existed at least this was.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Like eighteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, did a lot of bands do that?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think some did.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I mean, I'm so hung up on this right, It's
like I'm like amazed by the technology because I'm like,
I just remember, like last time I burned to CD
was a long time ago, but I still remember it
takes a long and like there would be a buffering
stage and.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, there were definitely Glitch's galore and I think, what
was you know, I just remember thinking it was kind
of like a punk rock thing for a band like
Train to be doing I was like, whoa, and this
is all really just to say, uh, you know that
night what I witnessed was a band who you know,
I gave him a chancey and they they were a
(18:47):
competent you know, rock and roll outfit who very credibly
covered all these songs, delivered their own. But it is.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Odd to cover from your like direct comparison, like because
if you you know, covering is just the best, it's
like so cool. And but I do think there's like,
all right, so years and years ago, you're good friend
of mine, Brian Bonds.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yes, you went on the.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Road, just like opening and for some acts, but like
just a little tour lot. This was probably like around
two thousand and three. We opened for just for one show.
We opened for the band nine Days.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh is that a story of a girl?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yes? It is. This is a story of a girl.
H it's not it's it's not great, but it's not bad.
It's it's it's somewhere in between. And that's why I
think it's gray area that unless it was really on
a list, I wouldn't put it there, but like no
fly list, Yeah, if it gets on the no fly
list or something like that, but you know. I think
that it's the thing that was interesting and you brought
(19:52):
up was that they played their song in the middle
of the set, the Story of a Girl, but they
also played that song as a closer, so they played
it twice, which is wild.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Also covered like semi charmed kind of life and stuff
of that time, and I remember being like a little
it was like a little bit like, oh, like I
think that they're trying, you know, but there's also a
show in their hometown of Long Island, so I was
like at a small venue. I was like, it made
me feel it was it was kind of a bummer
because I was kind of like, even with a hit
(20:24):
like that, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Tough, it's a cruel industry. It's a cruel world. This
is I gotta kill, I gotta jump out the window
with all these train references. Yeah, I feel like. We
(20:52):
actually played a show last night on Long Island at
a very Long Island venue opening for a band from
Long Island, and they were like, ah, posters and advertisements
up all over the place for people who had played
there and would play there, and one of the things
was a band called this Speaks to what You're talking
about and speaks to the realities I think of all
this kind of stuff. There was a band called the
(21:12):
Warped Tour Band Okay, and were We're five dudes, each
of whom kind of looked like a prominent dude from
one of the bands that has done the Warped Tour
probably numerous times. And people were telling me there was
people who would come up to the merch table and
we would talk a little, and someone said, like they'd
(21:34):
seen them several times and what they'd do is like
a song by each of those bands, that's the set.
And I think, like that's clear. They're clear delineation. They
were a cover band. They're not like a tribute yeah
a band, Yeah, they're they're paying tribute to a scene,
to a moment in time, and that serves something. People
love that. It's a source of a side of community,
(21:56):
a side of nostalgia, a side of like give me
a break from banalities of my day to day life
or whatever, you know. And I think, and for the musicians,
I think, if you're in a clear if you know
that's what it is, well, then that's you going and
doing that thing. And I've had I have so many
friends who do various things with music from various directions,
and everyone thinks the grass is a little like I'm
(22:17):
sure that band probably gets paid better to know like
that than probably like a band like ours does. But
a band like that is like I would love it if,
like anybody cared about the songs I write. What's interesting
about the show you just described is that they were
sort of having both experiences at the same time. And
that's confusing. That's like some kind of weird psychological hell
(22:40):
to be like they love this one song. What other
songs are these people like, Yeah, semi charp life, I know,
let's we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
There were some others too, like maybe like Googo doll
stuff like Matchbox twenty, but.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
They were doing both. That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I would almost say like it's probably better to like
be like, you know, people might come because they know
that we have that song, but like why don't we rebrand?
And then I'd be like, yeah, that's that's smart. That's
like that's a decision.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's a decision, and it's.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Fun that way. But it might be it might have
been like an in between. Maybe they are doing that,
and I think more power to them. It's really a
mark of how hard the industry is in terms of
like you could have a massive song, oh and still
it's tough.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Oh absolutely. I mean I almost think for most people
it's like, uh, I mean this could be this could
be its own whole thing, so lost in a cul
de sac on this. I almost feel like to have
that degree of sort of like a visibility and success
around one thing if you then want to can. I
(23:42):
think it's why there are certain people who might have
been looked at as like pretentious or art damaged or
spiteful or whatever, who like really pushed back against their
one song, whether it was you know, I don't know,
Radiohea or sneade O'Connor Nirvana. There's there's a lot of them,
but that we're like either like, well, we're just gonna
stop playing that song, or and see what happens, right right? Yeah,
(24:04):
I think I think to be caught. It's like I
see do you ever see the movie The Wrestler? Yes,
so the scenes where like the older wrestlers who have
phased out of like major are like at VFW hall's
with merch tables set up selling signed pictures of themselves.
I will tell you as like a touring independent musician.
(24:24):
I was like, oh my god, that's a little clip.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It hits home.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, and I think you know that the the the idea.
But but there's multiple ways to look at that too.
It's like you know, everybody's it's if you're still in
pursuit of the thing that animates you and you're like, uh,
in love with it and making a living, well, then
you're in love with it and making a living. But
the other side is like you didn't have drops Jupiter
in your pocket.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
What's interesting is that I think there's a huge difference
between like we even just meant mentioned that other trained
song meet Virginia Virginia. Yeah, right, so that's just two
song is that like we both know and you know,
like they had a trained cruise like they they've done.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That big hit later that was maybe even bigger than these,
which was well after you and I would have been
aware of it. So Hey Soul sister. Oh they're hey
Soul's sister too, So that that's actually kind of wild
because they.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
That's huge. So that's they see, they they played the game.
Then they they stayed relevant for long enough that they
you know, like that's that's really that's that's really impressive.
Then I guess that's what I give him a chance.
That's really just I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, and I think they kind of also, this might
be treading into territory. We can decide if we want
to tread into in this pod. But I also think
what happened with I want to say his names like
Patrick Monaghan, it.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Is that that is I looked it up. I don't
interrupt you, but yeah, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'm glad that you didn't interrupt.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Which is I think another reason why your mom liked
the band. That's like always good Irish, good Irish.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, I don't know why my mom is not from
like AUT's.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You're like, what matter? I was like, wait what?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I feel like he also, around the time of Hay
Soul's sister was a pop adjacent musician, adult contemp or whatever,
who was like comfortable using some non traditional music media
to reach his audience, I e. Places like Fox News
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I kind of feel like he made a little pivot.
I just did a weird thing with my hand that
you can't see listening, but it was like a weird
upside down felt it in your voice though, Yeah, I
was trying to scoop with my voice. And it's interesting,
well smart marketing thing if you are like interested, and
I you know.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
That's the future now Like now it's like people really
find those niches and like dial in you can.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, absolutely, And and also you know, I don't know
anything about Patrick, but if maybe he felt like his
bread was being buttered on both sides by attending something
like that. But I kind of remember them playing like
on morning shows. I was like in a hotel somewhere.
I was like, is that train? I'm like Fox this morning?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, well there. But they're a band that I think
would be I we've talked about this song which might
which might feature down the line. I don't want to
go into too much though, So you had a bad day, right,
Like they could write that, they could write that.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I did, like, that's that soul Sister is like.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It could have been in just every episode of American Idol.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And what I will say about I'm sure and I
am sure the people on American Idol, the voice whatever
sing this song. I'm sure if you combed through there's
some season where someone does drops Jupiter or Hay soel like,
you know, I think that that's funny. The immediate response
I had to this song starting was a kind of
(27:51):
like there's something about the rhythm of that piano and
everything where I'm like, you can both identify and maybe
that's maybe what we're describing here is like the mo
of this highre series of conversations you and I have.
It is both utterly perfect as what it is and
totally reprehensible, Like there's thing about it that just stylistically,
(28:14):
someone listening to this might be like, what an asshole,
and they might be right, but and it's all aesthetic
and it's all subjective and a matter of what you
like and don't that is so manicured in this way.
It is both perfect and also something that I'm like,
come on, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's like it's both soulful and soulless. I don't know
exactly on who's looking at it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's either a sole vacation or a sole vocation, you
know what I mean? Either way?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
You know, did you watch the music video as you watch?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
No I listen?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Okay, that's good because I think there's people probably like
are driving and don't I don't want them to actually
watch something. But I watched the music video and I
this happens to me sometimes with athletes. I was like,
they're an age I'll never be and I'm probably older
than where they are, but totally like, there's certain people
(29:06):
like are like, you know, there's certain the way that
people look at a certain time, Like I'm like, I
can't tell your age, you seem older, younger, like you've lived.
And I feel that way with like athletes for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
One hundred percent. I still feel that way where I'll
be at like I'm forty four next week and I'll
be at like a Knicks game. I brought my daughter
to the Knicks game earlier this year on like a
day off from school, and I'm like, I could literally
be half of the people playing. I could be their dad. Yeah,
But I'm also like, they're always going to be older
(29:39):
than me. There is something about that, and I think
that's maybe an effect of media, like how we receive
people like athletes and celebrities or whatever. Then the the
other side of that is, certainly there are certain people
who percolate in the culture now that I'm like that
person seems like they're like nine, I know, twenty five.
(29:59):
That's just part of aging.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's so true. It is so true. I was talking
to a band that I you know, like a punk band,
Diet Sig.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
You Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They lived in Williamsburg for a little bit and I
talked to them and I were just talking and to me,
they felt like the same age as me, but they're
definitely not, but just in talk and then I said
something like, oh, it's kind of like we're talking about
and I said it's kind of like TLC's waterfalls and
they were like, what's that and.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Ill yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I was like, okay, there's the age.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
There's well, dude, I will I tour and I play
now at this point often with bands that are sometimes
ten to fifteen years younger than me fifteen years old,
and sometimes I play with bands either like I go
to preschools and I just know. But no, there's and
then every once in a while I get to open,
like you know, when I did a tour with Not
(30:48):
a Surf last year and there that was nice because
I was like, oh, I'm like the young person. They're
all like in the fifties and sixties, but like, but
on this most recent trip with a really good band
from from Cincinnati called Motherff. They're all in there, they're
around thirty, and I would play and sometimes if I
was like in a mood to like be silly, I
would like, you know, this is my next I'll play
(31:08):
my next song, and then I would like play the
beginning of like Stairway to Heaven or like you know,
like whatever, some some rinth like funny yeah, and I
will tell you fewer and fewer people know what the
hell's going on. Like if the younger the audiences get,
the more I'm like, I have to update those jokes
I've learned from like Olivia Rodrico something. But then I'm
(31:29):
also like, you can't do that. That's like pandering. At
that point, you just get you know, you are who
you are, play it and that's ultimately what Drops Jupiter
is about.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
To me, it is Yes, you're right, it is guy
ends who he is.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He's gonna try to poke around. It's some kind of
cosmic significance while also talking shit about like cultural ephemera
that will be dated ten minutes after the song comes out.
And I feel like he kind of does this throughout
their ubra as far as I can see. It's like
a feature of how he writes. But this was his
real This is the mona Lisa for this is a
top point.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And I will continue this day saying no, no, no,
like he really that's not even like his main thing.
That's just an extra little thing he threw in there
and all those aa yay, Like that's that. I've heard
this technique, this technique that a friend told me that
like he's a musician, told me that Prince said in
(32:21):
an interview was like, just keep making sounds throughout the
recording and people will want to listen.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I think that's what he's doing. And so he's channeling
Prince and I give him. I give him a chance
for that. I think it's interesting. Always give Prince a chance. Well,
that wraps it up. We did it, We did it.
I'm gonna get a soy lata now.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, I'm gonna go do some tabo and have some
chicken and check out Mozart. Always remember people check out Mozart.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Check it out and our sponsor today, Mozart. I love you, buddy,
I'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I love you too. Case Wah, were getting
Speaker 3 (33:04):
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