April 25, 2024 • 21 mins
From the phone call that ended Shannen's run on 90210, to the burden of being the boss's daughter, Tori talks about it all.Was Tori really treated differently on the set? Did she have to fight for a raise on her own dad's show? What prompted Tori to finally stand up for herself?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. I just
think that we were all young, and there's I don't
think any of us would act like that now. I
think all of us would look at the other and say, hey,
are you okay? Right?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know, yeah, you don't know to check in when
you're young. It's just about you and your reaction, your experience, right.
That is the moment that prompted everyone to be like,
you know, meeting in the lady's room. No, it was
like meeting in the dressing rooms. And everyone was like,
(00:40):
this is it. You know, we're going to call Aaron
and go into Paul Wagner's office and call him on speaker.
And that is when they were like, we need It
was like consensus everyone had. It was all in or nothing.
And I said I'm not going in the office. But
(01:02):
I agreed that it wasn't okay, So I did Yeah,
whether I was physically there or not, I I did
give in and say, yeah, I'm on board, but I'm
not going into the office. I don't know in my
way again me not standing up for what I believe in,
(01:23):
or I didn't honestly know what was going on at
that moment.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But still like, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Time, I was taking your back by saying I'm not
going in. I won't be in the office present, I
won't be on the call with my dad. But you know,
they were really coming at me like what are you
in and you have to say yes or no. We
need everybody, you know, it's like a tally, like you know,
it's like a trial.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I'm not gonna says, but I know exactly who is
leading that charge.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It was a mail, wasn't that was coming at me.
Mostly it wasn't a female. But Brian and I both
didn't go.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
No. Brian said he went, but that he specifically said
to them, I just want to be on the right
side of history, like I don't agree with this decision.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
He did say that, but I don't remember him. I
thought we both stayed in our dressing rooms and we said,
you know, he was very he I was quiet. He
did stand up to them, which was hard for him.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Hard.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He was young and he wanted to fit in with
the with the guys and the elders, so that was
a huge thing for him to do. But I remember
him standing up and saying no, like he doesn't believe
in it.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I think things would be very different now. And we
all hang out now at like conventions and we get
along and well, now a cast can't just go in
and be like, hey, we want someone gone, and there's
a thing called hr no. Yeah, yeah, it's much harder.
And also, again we were so young. I was so young.
(03:09):
I didn't know to let anybody know what was happening
to me in my personal life, and I felt I
was super embarrassed by it, and I felt very like
cut off from everyone and isolated. So I take full
responsibility for my part in it, one hundred percent. So
I get it. I'm going to jump to something else
(03:31):
real quick because I like jumping and then circling back.
I don't know. I think it gives your brain time
to like process. I was singing about this the other day,
and it's funny because when I had Jason on, I
meant to ask him, and then I didn't. I think
I got scared. But I can ask you. I feel
there's a whole thing now about pay discrepancy between men
(03:54):
and women, and even if the female has a lot
more credits, she's often paid less. She often gets billing
underneath the man. And so I was really thinking about nine,
and I was like, this again, where were my credits
so interesting opposed to Jason?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Why?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Right? Because I did Little House, I did Our House.
I was girls have Fun. Heather's like, I had a
very successful career. I don't remember what Jason did prior.
I think he did a Canadian show.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Correct, and then Sister Kate, which is what I loved
him on NBC, a sitcom. I think it was only
one season, right, with Stephanie Beacham, who ended up playing
Luke's mom. But yeah, that's what I saw him on.
I was like, oh, dad, he's so hot. He's on
Peen magazines.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That was it, right?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But he got first billing and I got paid more money. Correct,
It's like wow, how But it was the era, which
I think it was. That's why it's also so easy
to blame a blame a woman, and back then that's
so interesting, like oh, she's difficult, she's this, she's that,
like you know, your dad's partner. Duke and I went
round and round around like we. I did not like him,
(05:10):
he did not like me. I thought he was a bully.
I felt like he was I felt like he had
no respect for women at all, and my personal experience
with him, I felt like he constantly tried to intimidate
me and you know, say things like your job is
to say your lines and hit the mark. I don't
want your opinion.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
See, I don't know this part because growing up he
was Uncle Duke. You know, I know him since birth. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
uncle Duke oh Man. But yeah, Jason was pretty much discovered.
You had a huge, ginormous resume that everyone reckoned. That is,
(05:50):
I never.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Thought that, right, Yeah, I don't think I didn't give
a thought at the time. In the nineties, they would
never write to two hander. They're always going to put
the man first, right, as opposed to like, how about
side by side like they do now.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Like you know, you see a big movie with two
huge stars female male headlining, and they get billing together.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oliverne Shirley did like two females. But if it was
a man and a woman, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I know.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, he was number one. You were number two.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Right. So what we're referring to is on a call sheet.
They give you the call sheet the night before it
tells you, you know, the scenes that you're doing. The
next day. Every member of the crew gets it. The
cast gets. It tells you what scenes you're doing, what
time your makeup call is, and then what time your
set call is.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So it's always a big thing of who is number
one on the call sheet. And I actually had this
conversation about Charmed because I was always number one on
the call sheet, but nine O two and zero Jason
was number one on the call sheet. And again, nothing
that I even thought of right back then. It's just
(07:06):
because of the how far we as women have come,
where we're now standing up for ourselves a lot more
in our business and I think in other businesses as well,
of women demanding equal pay and equal attention, recognizing that
their work is as important as their male counterpart. That
(07:26):
I really started looking at it and going, how did
he get paid more money in top billion out me?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
How was that? There was no I hate Brandon clubs
like Hello, and because the one she instantly got said
to be he was the quarterback, the quarterback, Whereas I think,
did my dad coin that?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yes, your dad coined it?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Or were you the fucking cheerleader?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Oh right?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I was like that's I was just like your backup answer.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Whereas probably had I been told I was quarterback, it
might have changed dynamic on set and made me feel
like I had to step up to the responsibility a
little bit more, or everything could had just gone down
the way that it did and it doesn't matter. You
can't repeat history. But I found that to be a
(08:19):
really interesting thought that's been popping into my head a lot,
where I was like, God, things were so different back then.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I never thought of that one hundred percent. Yeah, And
it's so shaming when you're on a call sheet and
you're not number one. It's just kind of live your
life based on those numbers, which is it's ridiculous do
it anymore. It's just I don't know, I was like
number eight or nine or ten or something, so I
(08:45):
never was.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It was I'm going to tell you what you were,
because it went Ja me, Jenny, No, it was Ginny,
and then Luke. Right, it was Jenny. Then why a H.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Promised you Luke was number seven.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Because he wasn't on the Pilott. Yeah, so it was
Jason Me, Jenny Iron, Gabrielle right, Brian Luke and then
you Yeah. Oh so you got pushed to the bottom,
probably because you were the producer's daughter.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I was like, please make me number thirty on
the cast list. I don't want any preferential treatment. Please
just push me down.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I imagine, because you've mentioned it a couple of times,
that being the boss's daughter, you didn't want preferential treatment.
You wanted people to like you for who you were,
or not who your father was, right, and that that
must have left you without a lot of power in truth,
(10:12):
because although people would think it gives you power because
your dad is the boss, it's the opposite, the antithesis,
because I would imagine that instead you're like, I'm not
going to fight for a raise. I'm not going to
do this. I'm not gonna because my dad is the boss,
and I don't want it to seem like nepotism or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Right I'm a nepo baby, right man. I think that
depends on the human. Like, I feel like there's a
lot of people that would be like, yeah, I'm the
boss's daughter, like cool, and that wasn't me. So I
just wanted to fit in. I want it to belong.
(10:51):
I I have this weird thing like I've always known
somewhere deep down that I was talented, but it just
got so blurred out in the mix of it because
it was like I heard so much like well, she
can't possibly be talented if her dad's the producer, which
makes absolutely no sense. But it was so ingrained even
(11:13):
back then, you know, it was just and you know what,
I got to be honest. A lot of it came
from when we started. There would be crew members very
early on like oh, you're nice. I thought I was worried.
I was like, oh, the boss's daughter's on the show,
you know, just and they in passing. But those like
(11:35):
stuck to me and I was like, oh man, what
do I do? You know, I have to be perfect
and no one can be perfect. That's why I was like,
I have to be on time, I have to you know,
be quiet, I have to be sweet, I have to
agree to anything and everything. When did that sort of
change for you where you felt like you could tell
(11:55):
your agent, yeah, you can fight for a raise for me.
Everybody else is getting raises and I'm not getting reasons
and I'm being paid as a day player. Like when
did it change where you finally believed in yourself enough
or believed in your position on the show enough that
you would prove in yourself enough where you could fight for.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
This is a tough one.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
It would probably be after you left.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And why unless you know, you're like, I'll take herself
because I hid behind you. I hid behind you for
so many years, Like yeah it was I don't know.
We were like a unit, we were a team, and
(12:40):
you fought for yourself, you fought for everyone always, so
I could just hide behind you and that would be fine,
and somehow I would get taken care of. You know,
they would. If I didn't like something I was wearing,
I whisper it to you and you'd be like, no, no, no,
I don't think she should wear this. Because I was
scared to say anything, right, So I was your little mouthpiece.
Yeah yeah, literally, like you took care of me, and
(13:03):
so when you weren't there, it's like, well here you are,
because no one else was going to take care of me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So I had to. You had to strap on your
boots and fight for yourself. I mean, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I had to put on my strap on and be like,
here we go, Phil, Is that what I said? That's
what I said.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
But that's actually great, I mean not great that I
got fired, because that was really devastating to me at
that time, not as devastating as Charmed, to be honest,
like Charmed rocked my world. Like I still think there's
part of me that's not recovered from that. But you know,
(13:49):
I was young after, like I was like in my head,
I was like, fuck these people, like are you kidding?
And then I got mall Rats and I was like,
on the better know like it didn't I didn't, and
yet that was you know that also did nothing for me.
Is Kevin Smith and I talked basically killed my movie career.
(14:09):
But I so it's not good that I got fired,
but I love that there was a silver lining in it,
and that the silver lining was that you had to
had to stand up for yourself, you had to find
your own voice.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah I did, And yeah, in hindsight, like I wish
you had been there, but maybe I would.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Never write, maybe you never would have found your voice.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But maybe I would have and maybe it could have
coexisted and you would have been my champion you always were,
so maybe we would have risen together instead of someone
had to go for someone else to right evolve. And
I don't look at it that way, but I definitely like,
you know, fight or ful, there was nothing else. You know,
(15:01):
it was either I stood up for myself or just
sat there and let everyone else rise after you were gone,
and me just be number eight again. You know, yeah
it can well, I guess number seven then right now,
Luke always kept seven, right, you got moved up.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So for me, I started really seeing the change in
you in like season two, and then it just kept
on progressing because I think observing you, you seemed to
have found your confidence in your acting and particularly in
doing comedy correct and you started feeling a lot more free.
(15:52):
And yes, there was a lot of encouragement around you
if you can do this, but you know, ultimately you're
the one who had to figure out how to believe
in yourself enough. And it was really that's when I
started noticing it, when you started getting very funny. You
were doing the stuff that was kind of off the wall,
(16:13):
and not that I would have been very scared to try, right,
it seemed like a huge risk at times.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That means so much hearing you say those words.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
This is gonna sound super weird. But when Amanda Bynes
was younger, I remember watching her and like she's the
man that movie right, and her choices, like her facial expressions,
the choices that she made, so it was like, this
girl's an outstanding comedy actress. And there's a similarity there
(16:44):
in the sense of you had no you started having
no fear about making odd different choices. I started already
seeing that in you, starting at season two, where you
just started feeling a little bit more comfortable and more
settled into who you were, but also being the producer's daughter.
(17:09):
Did you ever think that people were like sucking up
to you because of who your dad was. Did you
ever feel that cast or like anyone, not just cast.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean my whole life, I have felt that my
dad's executive was like when I was young, I had
like a lemonade and art stand on his lot at
twentieth and I was selling artwork and I was like,
you don't have to buy it, and he was like, yeah,
I do. And I was like five or six, and
it stood out to me. I was like, oh that okay,
(17:41):
that's what's happening. Oh man, I don't ever want to
be seen that way. So I was grateful because the cast,
I feel like, embraced me right away. I never felt
that with you guys, I mean obviously you and I
became friends right away, but like the rest and it
was like, I don't remember when it was. It was
a defining moment where they were all like, oh, you know,
(18:03):
someone needs to tell Aaron and they were talking about
like you know, the producer, and someone needs to tell
them we don't want to do this and da da dah,
and they did it in front of me and I
was like, Oh, they're talking. I'm one of the gang.
You know. They're not like, oh God, don't say you know,
it's sorry, it's your dad, or you can't listen. So
that's when I realized. And it was always that way
like it went on. But comedy wise, I mean a
(18:28):
lot of that I owe to you because we You
would always say to them like you wanted to do
more stuff with me. I didn't have a voice, but
you wanted. We were friends and we had a connection,
good chemistry and to do more you know Brendan Donna stuff,
which is why I went to Paris with you and
like and that allowed me because you always allowed me
that freedom. You would laugh out loud at me and
(18:50):
I'd be like, you would encourage my comedy and my behavior,
whereas you know with other cast members, I didn't feel
as comfortable stepping out of your show. Yeah, so yeah,
that's when I saw the Paris episode that was so
that was my favorite. Why didn't we get to know
(19:10):
to Paris?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So? I know, but but it was still fun. It
was so fun shooting on that back lot. Oh my god,
there was because we worked in warehouses that were converted
into sound stages, so then all of a sudden, you
and I are working on a real studio lot with
like a real commissary. It was so much fun. I
felt like our clothing was elevated because we were in Paris.
(19:35):
And then when we were at the cafe and we
both took the bite and this was your comedy that
came out again where it was like what is it brains?
And you were just like, you know, spitting it out,
but in a much more like dramatic fun way. I
didn't burst out laughing. I couldn't even keep a straight
face at that moment. But yeah, those were probably my
(19:58):
favorite favorite favorite episodes to know.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I found a photo the other day and it's literally
were taking a photo of you and You're going like
like that and your food in your mouth, and I'm like, yep,
that's us.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
That's us.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So that moment where I spla out brains, that was
like our natural behavior in real life, like we were
funny together and you know kind.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Of yeah, all right, well we have a lot more
to talk about. We do, yeah, so much more. It's
just gonna be a lot. So I'm going to say thanks,
and I'm going to turn it over to your podcast, Misspelling,
(20:39):
and we're gonna have a to be in charge. Now, yeah,
you have to be in charge. I have another hour
of this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I get to dom you bring it on, all.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right, you guys, thanks for listening. Now go listen to Misspelling.
This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. I just
think that we were all young, and there's I don't
think any of us would act like that now. I
think all of us would look at the other and say, hey,
are you okay? Right?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know, yeah, you don't know to check in when
you're young. It's just about you and your reaction, your experience, right.
That is the moment that prompted everyone to be like,
you know, meeting in the lady's room. No, it was
like meeting in the dressing rooms. And everyone was like,
(00:40):
this is it. You know, we're going to call Aaron
and go into Paul Wagner's office and call him on speaker.
And that is when they were like, we need It
was like consensus everyone had. It was all in or nothing.
And I said I'm not going in the office. But
(01:02):
I agreed that it wasn't okay, So I did Yeah,
whether I was physically there or not, I I did
give in and say, yeah, I'm on board, but I'm
not going into the office. I don't know in my
way again me not standing up for what I believe in,
(01:23):
or I didn't honestly know what was going on at
that moment.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But still like, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Time, I was taking your back by saying I'm not
going in. I won't be in the office present, I
won't be on the call with my dad. But you know,
they were really coming at me like what are you
in and you have to say yes or no. We
need everybody, you know, it's like a tally, like you know,
it's like a trial.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I'm not gonna says, but I know exactly who is
leading that charge.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It was a mail, wasn't that was coming at me.
Mostly it wasn't a female. But Brian and I both
didn't go.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
No. Brian said he went, but that he specifically said
to them, I just want to be on the right
side of history, like I don't agree with this decision.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
He did say that, but I don't remember him. I
thought we both stayed in our dressing rooms and we said,
you know, he was very he I was quiet. He
did stand up to them, which was hard for him.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Hard.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He was young and he wanted to fit in with
the with the guys and the elders, so that was
a huge thing for him to do. But I remember
him standing up and saying no, like he doesn't believe
in it.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I think things would be very different now. And we
all hang out now at like conventions and we get
along and well, now a cast can't just go in
and be like, hey, we want someone gone, and there's
a thing called hr no. Yeah, yeah, it's much harder.
And also, again we were so young. I was so young.
(03:09):
I didn't know to let anybody know what was happening
to me in my personal life, and I felt I
was super embarrassed by it, and I felt very like
cut off from everyone and isolated. So I take full
responsibility for my part in it, one hundred percent. So
I get it. I'm going to jump to something else
(03:31):
real quick because I like jumping and then circling back.
I don't know. I think it gives your brain time
to like process. I was singing about this the other day,
and it's funny because when I had Jason on, I
meant to ask him, and then I didn't. I think
I got scared. But I can ask you. I feel
there's a whole thing now about pay discrepancy between men
(03:54):
and women, and even if the female has a lot
more credits, she's often paid less. She often gets billing
underneath the man. And so I was really thinking about nine,
and I was like, this again, where were my credits
so interesting opposed to Jason?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Why?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Right? Because I did Little House, I did Our House.
I was girls have Fun. Heather's like, I had a
very successful career. I don't remember what Jason did prior.
I think he did a Canadian show.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Correct, and then Sister Kate, which is what I loved
him on NBC, a sitcom. I think it was only
one season, right, with Stephanie Beacham, who ended up playing
Luke's mom. But yeah, that's what I saw him on.
I was like, oh, dad, he's so hot. He's on
Peen magazines.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That was it, right?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But he got first billing and I got paid more money. Correct,
It's like wow, how But it was the era, which
I think it was. That's why it's also so easy
to blame a blame a woman, and back then that's
so interesting, like oh, she's difficult, she's this, she's that,
like you know, your dad's partner. Duke and I went
round and round around like we. I did not like him,
(05:10):
he did not like me. I thought he was a bully.
I felt like he was I felt like he had
no respect for women at all, and my personal experience
with him, I felt like he constantly tried to intimidate
me and you know, say things like your job is
to say your lines and hit the mark. I don't
want your opinion.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
See, I don't know this part because growing up he
was Uncle Duke. You know, I know him since birth. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
uncle Duke oh Man. But yeah, Jason was pretty much discovered.
You had a huge, ginormous resume that everyone reckoned. That is,
(05:50):
I never.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Thought that, right, Yeah, I don't think I didn't give
a thought at the time. In the nineties, they would
never write to two hander. They're always going to put
the man first, right, as opposed to like, how about
side by side like they do now.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Like you know, you see a big movie with two
huge stars female male headlining, and they get billing together.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oliverne Shirley did like two females. But if it was
a man and a woman, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I know.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, he was number one. You were number two.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Right. So what we're referring to is on a call sheet.
They give you the call sheet the night before it
tells you, you know, the scenes that you're doing. The
next day. Every member of the crew gets it. The
cast gets. It tells you what scenes you're doing, what
time your makeup call is, and then what time your
set call is.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So it's always a big thing of who is number
one on the call sheet. And I actually had this
conversation about Charmed because I was always number one on
the call sheet, but nine O two and zero Jason
was number one on the call sheet. And again, nothing
that I even thought of right back then. It's just
(07:06):
because of the how far we as women have come,
where we're now standing up for ourselves a lot more
in our business and I think in other businesses as well,
of women demanding equal pay and equal attention, recognizing that
their work is as important as their male counterpart. That
(07:26):
I really started looking at it and going, how did
he get paid more money in top billion out me?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
How was that? There was no I hate Brandon clubs
like Hello, and because the one she instantly got said
to be he was the quarterback, the quarterback, Whereas I think,
did my dad coin that?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yes, your dad coined it?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Or were you the fucking cheerleader?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Oh right?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I was like that's I was just like your backup answer.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Whereas probably had I been told I was quarterback, it
might have changed dynamic on set and made me feel
like I had to step up to the responsibility a
little bit more, or everything could had just gone down
the way that it did and it doesn't matter. You
can't repeat history. But I found that to be a
(08:19):
really interesting thought that's been popping into my head a lot,
where I was like, God, things were so different back then.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I never thought of that one hundred percent. Yeah, And
it's so shaming when you're on a call sheet and
you're not number one. It's just kind of live your
life based on those numbers, which is it's ridiculous do
it anymore. It's just I don't know, I was like
number eight or nine or ten or something, so I
(08:45):
never was.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It was I'm going to tell you what you were,
because it went Ja me, Jenny, No, it was Ginny,
and then Luke. Right, it was Jenny. Then why a H.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Promised you Luke was number seven.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Because he wasn't on the Pilott. Yeah, so it was
Jason Me, Jenny Iron, Gabrielle right, Brian Luke and then
you Yeah. Oh so you got pushed to the bottom,
probably because you were the producer's daughter.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I was like, please make me number thirty on
the cast list. I don't want any preferential treatment. Please
just push me down.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I imagine, because you've mentioned it a couple of times,
that being the boss's daughter, you didn't want preferential treatment.
You wanted people to like you for who you were,
or not who your father was, right, and that that
must have left you without a lot of power in truth,
(10:12):
because although people would think it gives you power because
your dad is the boss, it's the opposite, the antithesis,
because I would imagine that instead you're like, I'm not
going to fight for a raise. I'm not going to
do this. I'm not gonna because my dad is the boss,
and I don't want it to seem like nepotism or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Right I'm a nepo baby, right man. I think that
depends on the human. Like, I feel like there's a
lot of people that would be like, yeah, I'm the
boss's daughter, like cool, and that wasn't me. So I
just wanted to fit in. I want it to belong.
(10:51):
I I have this weird thing like I've always known
somewhere deep down that I was talented, but it just
got so blurred out in the mix of it because
it was like I heard so much like well, she
can't possibly be talented if her dad's the producer, which
makes absolutely no sense. But it was so ingrained even
(11:13):
back then, you know, it was just and you know what,
I got to be honest. A lot of it came
from when we started. There would be crew members very
early on like oh, you're nice. I thought I was worried.
I was like, oh, the boss's daughter's on the show,
you know, just and they in passing. But those like
(11:35):
stuck to me and I was like, oh man, what
do I do? You know, I have to be perfect
and no one can be perfect. That's why I was like,
I have to be on time, I have to you know,
be quiet, I have to be sweet, I have to
agree to anything and everything. When did that sort of
change for you where you felt like you could tell
(11:55):
your agent, yeah, you can fight for a raise for me.
Everybody else is getting raises and I'm not getting reasons
and I'm being paid as a day player. Like when
did it change where you finally believed in yourself enough
or believed in your position on the show enough that
you would prove in yourself enough where you could fight for.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
This is a tough one.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
It would probably be after you left.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And why unless you know, you're like, I'll take herself
because I hid behind you. I hid behind you for
so many years, Like yeah it was I don't know.
We were like a unit, we were a team, and
(12:40):
you fought for yourself, you fought for everyone always, so
I could just hide behind you and that would be fine,
and somehow I would get taken care of. You know,
they would. If I didn't like something I was wearing,
I whisper it to you and you'd be like, no, no, no,
I don't think she should wear this. Because I was
scared to say anything, right, So I was your little mouthpiece.
Yeah yeah, literally, like you took care of me, and
(13:03):
so when you weren't there, it's like, well here you are,
because no one else was going to take care of me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So I had to. You had to strap on your
boots and fight for yourself. I mean, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I had to put on my strap on and be like,
here we go, Phil, Is that what I said? That's
what I said.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
But that's actually great, I mean not great that I
got fired, because that was really devastating to me at
that time, not as devastating as Charmed, to be honest,
like Charmed rocked my world. Like I still think there's
part of me that's not recovered from that. But you know,
(13:49):
I was young after, like I was like in my head,
I was like, fuck these people, like are you kidding?
And then I got mall Rats and I was like,
on the better know like it didn't I didn't, and
yet that was you know that also did nothing for me.
Is Kevin Smith and I talked basically killed my movie career.
(14:09):
But I so it's not good that I got fired,
but I love that there was a silver lining in it,
and that the silver lining was that you had to
had to stand up for yourself, you had to find
your own voice.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah I did, And yeah, in hindsight, like I wish
you had been there, but maybe I would.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Never write, maybe you never would have found your voice.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But maybe I would have and maybe it could have
coexisted and you would have been my champion you always were,
so maybe we would have risen together instead of someone
had to go for someone else to right evolve. And
I don't look at it that way, but I definitely like,
you know, fight or ful, there was nothing else. You know,
(15:01):
it was either I stood up for myself or just
sat there and let everyone else rise after you were gone,
and me just be number eight again. You know, yeah
it can well, I guess number seven then right now,
Luke always kept seven, right, you got moved up.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So for me, I started really seeing the change in
you in like season two, and then it just kept
on progressing because I think observing you, you seemed to
have found your confidence in your acting and particularly in
doing comedy correct and you started feeling a lot more free.
(15:52):
And yes, there was a lot of encouragement around you
if you can do this, but you know, ultimately you're
the one who had to figure out how to believe
in yourself enough. And it was really that's when I
started noticing it, when you started getting very funny. You
were doing the stuff that was kind of off the wall,
(16:13):
and not that I would have been very scared to try, right,
it seemed like a huge risk at times.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That means so much hearing you say those words.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
This is gonna sound super weird. But when Amanda Bynes
was younger, I remember watching her and like she's the
man that movie right, and her choices, like her facial expressions,
the choices that she made, so it was like, this
girl's an outstanding comedy actress. And there's a similarity there
(16:44):
in the sense of you had no you started having
no fear about making odd different choices. I started already
seeing that in you, starting at season two, where you
just started feeling a little bit more comfortable and more
settled into who you were, but also being the producer's daughter.
(17:09):
Did you ever think that people were like sucking up
to you because of who your dad was. Did you
ever feel that cast or like anyone, not just cast.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean my whole life, I have felt that my
dad's executive was like when I was young, I had
like a lemonade and art stand on his lot at
twentieth and I was selling artwork and I was like,
you don't have to buy it, and he was like, yeah,
I do. And I was like five or six, and
it stood out to me. I was like, oh that okay,
(17:41):
that's what's happening. Oh man, I don't ever want to
be seen that way. So I was grateful because the cast,
I feel like, embraced me right away. I never felt
that with you guys, I mean obviously you and I
became friends right away, but like the rest and it
was like, I don't remember when it was. It was
a defining moment where they were all like, oh, you know,
(18:03):
someone needs to tell Aaron and they were talking about
like you know, the producer, and someone needs to tell
them we don't want to do this and da da dah,
and they did it in front of me and I
was like, Oh, they're talking. I'm one of the gang.
You know. They're not like, oh God, don't say you know,
it's sorry, it's your dad, or you can't listen. So
that's when I realized. And it was always that way
like it went on. But comedy wise, I mean a
(18:28):
lot of that I owe to you because we You
would always say to them like you wanted to do
more stuff with me. I didn't have a voice, but
you wanted. We were friends and we had a connection,
good chemistry and to do more you know Brendan Donna stuff,
which is why I went to Paris with you and
like and that allowed me because you always allowed me
that freedom. You would laugh out loud at me and
(18:50):
I'd be like, you would encourage my comedy and my behavior,
whereas you know with other cast members, I didn't feel
as comfortable stepping out of your show. Yeah, so yeah,
that's when I saw the Paris episode that was so
that was my favorite. Why didn't we get to know
(19:10):
to Paris?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So? I know, but but it was still fun. It
was so fun shooting on that back lot. Oh my god,
there was because we worked in warehouses that were converted
into sound stages, so then all of a sudden, you
and I are working on a real studio lot with
like a real commissary. It was so much fun. I
felt like our clothing was elevated because we were in Paris.
(19:35):
And then when we were at the cafe and we
both took the bite and this was your comedy that
came out again where it was like what is it brains?
And you were just like, you know, spitting it out,
but in a much more like dramatic fun way. I
didn't burst out laughing. I couldn't even keep a straight
face at that moment. But yeah, those were probably my
(19:58):
favorite favorite favorite episodes to know.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I found a photo the other day and it's literally
were taking a photo of you and You're going like
like that and your food in your mouth, and I'm like, yep,
that's us.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
That's us.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So that moment where I spla out brains, that was
like our natural behavior in real life, like we were
funny together and you know kind.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Of yeah, all right, well we have a lot more
to talk about. We do, yeah, so much more. It's
just gonna be a lot. So I'm going to say thanks,
and I'm going to turn it over to your podcast, Misspelling,
(20:39):
and we're gonna have a to be in charge. Now, yeah,
you have to be in charge. I have another hour
of this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I get to dom you bring it on, all.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right, you guys, thanks for listening. Now go listen to Misspelling.
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