February 5, 2024 • 50 mins
It's a blast from the WB past!Shannen and Sarah discuss their days as kick-ass leading ladies on primetime television.How did Sarah make Shannen feel when she joined the network?Why does Sarah credit Shannen for getting her family through covid?What really kept Sarah away from the business for so long, and what keeps these two together after all these years?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi, everyone, welcome back to another episode of Let's Be
Clear with Shannon Doherty. I know that you guys have
all been asking me when are you going to have
this person on? And she's on you guys. It's Sarah
Michelle Geller. Hello, Hi you. And I know what's really
funny is that I was looking through like comments on
my Instagram the other day for some strange reason, because
(00:28):
I've kind of stopped doing that, but I think I
was super bored, and I saw someone say, oh, it's
such a shame that you and Sarah aren't friends anymore.
We never see you guys on social media, And I thought,
do people think that we live our lives out on
social media and if we're not posting photos of us together,
(00:49):
that it means we're not friends. It was the oddest
sort of aha moment that I had where I was like, Wow,
they like people really do think that anybody who's important
to each of us, we're always going to be posting
like pictures on social media.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I've tried also really hard to limit the comments because
it's just so hard to please everyone nowadays. I feel
like it's really hard to please anyone. Yeah, And I've
almost I've taken like a big step back from social
media lately and I've just been more work focused. But
(01:29):
it's hard because you want to please the fans that
are really there for you and support you, but at
the same time, it takes a big chunk out of you.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, I mean I think emotionally it can be very
draining and it's very time consuming. And I've said this
a bunch of times so far that it's always the
most negative voice that seems to be the loudest, even
though it's you know, so few of them. But that
friendship thing was just so interesting to me because it's
(02:03):
not as if you and I don't check him with
each other. It's not as if you didn't invite me
to like this wonderful you know, dinner with a bunch
of people recently.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But you know, you have kids.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I have no life, I am. I really just realized
that I have absolutely no life. I don't think I
went to the bathroom yesterday. I don't know if there's
time in my schedule to actually.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Do that yesterday. And it's it gets harder.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I'm hoping that soon enough Charlotte will drive, which is
also a scary prospect. But and then I might have
a little bit more time because right now I'm pretty
much an unpaid Uber driver.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I gotta be honest with you, Charlotte driving doesn't scare
me as much as Rocky driving.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think you think that because you think that Rocky
would be like the fast driver. But Charlotte is like
so easily distracted, right like.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh, radio Butterfly.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Oh, Rocky is like on the driving, like he just
didn't you know he's gonna be on the road.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So I think in a weird way, actually you should
be more worried about being in Charlotte's car, and she
will expect you to be in her car, by the way,
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But you know, I'm probably going to give it like
a good six months of her driving before I actually
jump in the car with her. Just seems a little
bit more on the safer side. May I do that
you put Freddy in the car?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Perfect?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean that my dad taught me how to drive,
Like that's that's what you do. The Dad's going I
was also thinking today as I was showering and then
blowing my nose because I'm a little sick.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I love that you think of you when you shower.
I know well that.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I was like, Wow, this is a friendship that we've
had for a very long time that has had zero competitiveness,
that has just been nothing but love and support and
standing by each other, giving each other space when we
(03:58):
needed space, giving each other love when we needed love,
and that when we met, the time period that we met,
it wasn't really that much of like a female friendly
time period at all. And yet you really kind of
want to say, took me under your wing, right because
(04:20):
you were it was the WB, correct, Yeah, the Devadava
and we did that big WB promo shoot and he
kind of just like scooped me up like a little
baby bird, and You're like, we got this, we got this.
And that continued throughout my career and more importantly, like
(04:42):
through throughout our lives.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's so interesting because I didn't grow up around supportive
women in this industry, right, I mean, I started in soaps,
which was the most competitive, and it now because I've
been doing like a lot of thinking about the past
and and just how things have changed lately, and I
don't know, I think the only reason that I did that, honestly,
(05:06):
was just I was such a huge fan because that
was out of my comfort zone to go up to
another woman and try to make friends because I always
thought women didn't like me or want to be friends
or there was like I didn't have a lot of
I had my you know, my female friends like from
childhood that you know, one of them and a couple
like like crew female friends, but I just didn't have
(05:28):
that many. But I honestly, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Just I it was such a fan.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
But I think that's how it actually started. I just
couldn't pass up the opportunity to like talk to you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I mean maybe then then it must have been the
same on both sides, because I just remember being like, Okay,
the girl who literally kicks ass wants to hang out
with me?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And it wasn't just hang out. You took me to
one of my rap parties because I wasn't going to go.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Which is no bunny because I never went to mine.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I know, I know, I know, I've never gone to
one of mine. But we're going to yours, which turned
out to be a lot of fun for the hour
that we were there.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Anytime I've gotten a job or You've gotten a job,
it's or anything significant has happened in our lives. It's
just been nothing but love and support and either you know,
you driving out to Malibu and during cancer during treatments
and taking me to lunch and just hanging out and
(06:31):
just sitting around and talking to our you know COVID
pod that we had, which was a blast.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I mean, you gave.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
My children such a life and COVID and I was
really struggling with how to give them that freedom and
that room to be kids and to have adventures. And
you opened your home to us and COVID in a
way that I will for the rest of my.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Life be grateful for.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I You gave them adventures and just freedom, and I
I can never repay that because that was such a
difficult time and so seeing my kids that happy and
giving me a break. Whether I mean people don't know this,
I mean Chan hadn't sat there sometimes when they were
(07:21):
on Zoom school and help them, and you know, we
would have blackouts and she would plan adventures and we
just it was such a special time. And while that
time period was so stressful, and I never want to
repeat that I never want homeschooling again. There are times
where I miss that slow life and just like being
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able to to be like that and having your kids
spend that time with you too, right now if I
you know, they want to go see you and spend
a whole day, but they've got dance and football and basketball,
and you know, it's like it's just a it's such
a time suck life and and h.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I there are days I really miss it.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, I mean, interestingly enough, I kind of feel the
same COVID was. It was incredibly stressful, and you know,
far more stressful I think for people with kids, or
people with compromised health or people with compromised health.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
A slower pace and you get you did get to
connect in a way that once life resumes its normal pace,
you don't you don't have necessarily the time to connect
like you did during COVID. And uh, you know, you
guys helped me quite a bit through that time as well,
(08:44):
because it's hard being isolated, especially as someone who's immune compromised,
and you were all so incredibly careful about sort of
who you were around and all of that in order
to actually come here and hang out and go swimming
and do wine challenges, which you know we're way overdue.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yes, we need a new one.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
That'll be my New Year's resolution. Just figure out what
the next one is.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The push up.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
One was pretty good that I sent you, but you
were far too confident in your ability to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
How I do that? I know you're like, yeah, I
got that, and I'm like, we need a harder one. No,
my push ups haven't gotten really good. I'm you look amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well I've had I've had a few months off from
work to be able to focus on training while my
kids are in school.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And you've had It's so funny. So my producer Lorraine
sends me notes on everyone doesn't.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Matter if I like that you got notes on me.
I did.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I got notes on you, and it was It's pretty
historical because some are like, oh hey, fun facts, and
some is you know, your entire bio, which is a crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Long, long, long bioe on you. You don't get notes.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know from like doing a TV movie called an
Invasion of Privacy at the age of six, which I'm
now going to figure out how I get to watch it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know who was in that movie? It was a
crazy cast.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Richard Masser, Carol Caine, Jerry Orbach, Valerie Harper.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like that was my first big job and it was
a crazy cast. That's like a pretty huge cast. Yeah,
and that was your very first job. Yeah, that's wild.
And then you were on All My Children, which I knew,
which is to me, soap actors might work the absolute hardest, oh.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Without question.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And what's funny too, is that because you know you're
doing an episode a day, so you have massive amounts
of lines to remember and hit your marks, and they
only do it once maybe twice. I used to learn
that if you cursed, they had to do a second take.
But my character had no friends, so my character only
did monologues.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
To herself and mirrors.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So it was just like just the most massive amount
of dialogue always because I had nobody talked to.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, that was And how how was that? Because soaps
are and I know that you're wasn't Kelly Rippa on
with you?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah? I I and you guys are really good friends.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah and Eva Laru Yes, I mean we had we
had good times. Like I had a really good group up.
Rebecca Gayheart was across the hall, like you just it
was it.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Was really fun. I mean I was a little young, so.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Sometimes I missed out on stuff because I was still
only fifteen and sixteen, I was still in school. But
I made incredible friends that I still dendre like, there's
so many people that you know, I still see and
it was like it was exciting time. It was a
lot of work and I was trying to jungle high
school too.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Kelly is awesome because she I just saw her when
I did her show and at the commercial break, she
was like, are you ready? Are you ready to date?
Are you ready for a boyfriend? I'm going to find
you someone. And she started like taking like asking me,
like what's your list? What do you need? She was like, oh,
I think I got somebody in mind. I was like, dude,
(12:02):
just just text me and and you can. You You're
one hundred percent the right person to start setting me up.
I'm fine with that. Fun fact about you was that
(12:23):
you graduated because you just mentioned that you were doing
all my children while you were actually still finishing high
school as well, and you graduated with straight a's.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I did early. I was a couple weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
After my sixteenth birthday, and do you know who through
my graduation party.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Who Kelly? How do I not know any of this?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Because it was I was it wasn't really the public eye,
so it wasn't you know, it wasn't like a big thing.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
But I actually saw Kelly.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I saw Kelly right after you did, because she came
out here for a party for Elsa's daughter. And we
were talking about, like Charlotte is the age where Mark
and Kelly you know, met me? And they were talking
about like they were just sort of blown away because
they hadn't seen I don't Kelly's maybe she shows, but
I think Mark had seen Charlotte since she was like littler,
(13:13):
and so Mark was just like he like was finding
his words, and I was like, yeah, we were talking
about my graduation that they threw.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
How was that?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
What did they do for you? Do you remember it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Her, Well, they were all at the ceremony at Lincoln Center.
They were all there, and then they rented It was
like at slash sixteenth birthday graduation party. I forget, I
bet one of them I will. Kelly won't, but it
maybe even remembers where it was. I'm sure it was
like some like bar they rented out that I couldn't
drink at that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Everybody else could.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Your school had a graduation at Lincoln Center.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Well, you grew up in New York City. It's not
you know, yeah, that's like the local hall, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's not right.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But to me, you hear Lincoln Center and you're like,
oh my god, it's Lincoln Center. That's pretty amazing at
this school have that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
It wasn't Alice Tully Hall. It was one of the
smaller gotcha was it? Like, you know, thank you for
clarifying that for me.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I know I did people just imagining just like just
you know, and we were a small grade, just like
being dwarfed on the stage now.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And so obviously one of the absolute biggest things, not
the but one of the biggest TV shows that in
your career was Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh that's the biggest television show.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I mean, that's yeah, I mean that's I challenge you
to find a bigger one than I did.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, I personally am like the crazy ones. Working with
Robin Williams, that to me is you know, you got
to work with a comedic genius, a genius sort of
all the way around. And I watched the show every
single week, and I really loved it. So I understand
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that it may not have been as much of a
pulp pop culture iconic show as Buffy, but that was
a critically acclaimed show for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It also changed my life.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
That's what eventually made me take the break was, you know,
we were doing the show Rocky when I did the
pilot was three months old. Like, I went back to
work right away because I was.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Desperate to work with Robin.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I mean, when when that opportunity came my way, I
there was no way to pass it up. Yeah, And
I was one of the few people that knew while
we were doing the show that he was really struggling,
that he wasn't well, and I soaked up every moment
I could with him and just I felt like the
work was the easy part for me. It was just
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making sure that you know, he was okay and that
they weren't working him too hard. And you know, the
couple people that were around him on the show that knew,
we were very protective because you you know, it worked
on the show is a hard job, and you don't
you want to without spilling his secrets. You want to
protect him. And when he passed away. Just everything stopped
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for me and I, I mean, you were there through this,
but I just said, what am I doing? Like my
kids are really young, I've worked my whole life, like
I don't want to miss I don't want to miss this.
I don't you know, I don't want to be gone
when Rocky takes this first step, I don't want to
be And that's what made.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Me take all those years off.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Was was Robin and not just him, but just you know,
those moments in your life stop you in your tracks and.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You gives you a different sort of a clarity. Yeah, yeah,
and your priorities shift a little bit. Yeah, And during
that time, didn't you? Isn't that also when you started
Foodstars start.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Of Foosters right after that, when I was like what
else should I? And part of that was like based
on the show, as I got so interested in advertising
and products and how you you know that that sort
of sparked that side of it, and it was great
because it allowed me to, you know, be with the
kids when they really needed and when they wanted to
be with me when I wasn't just like can you
(17:03):
take me to supporta or can you take me to
jiggle ball. That's a huge one, right, that's a big
one that I get, or Wingo tango speaking of iHeart
and you know, and now it was like the right
time because they have easier lives than me, and so
it was like, oh, I can.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Go back to work now.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I also loved Foodstirs because you would send me food
food all the time.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I would get like all the batters and so I
loved that time. I was like, this is amazing. I
don't have to do any sort of hard baking. Sarah's
got me covered. Just boxes of stuff would come or
I would come to like the offices and snag a
whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, it was a good time, and it was you know,
it was funny. I say this a lot. It really
helped me when I went back to work because I
went back to a different business, you know, I went
back to a business that went from being really entertainment
based to a lot of it being tech bas and
it gave me a sort of deeper understanding of how
streamers work and churn and ROI and all of those
(18:07):
things that I don't think I would have had, especially
as I now say so much more into producing as well,
that I do have this very deep understanding of how
that works that I never would have had otherwise.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, I mean you just said a whole bunch of
stuff in there that I'm like, what did she just say?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I would have thought.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
ROI was the camping store, but I think that's our
EI goes to show you how much I camp.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm like, what is she talking about? Right now?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I do know that, Like, you're the one person I call.
You and am Marie are probably the two people that
I call when I have any questions about computers or
Instagram or any of it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I am the tech person in this house. I am
t Yes you are, and you're really really really good
at it good, But I just use it as I
don't I don't get frustrated and I don't give up.
Like there's two kinds of personalities right Like you're like Freddie,
You're like it doesn't work, you know, like that's you
two are similar and for me, I'm like my I'm
like I want to figure out what's Like I'm the
(19:01):
person that would take apart toys to see how they worked. Yeah,
I actually, do you ever a tender shy about my
Emmy No, I heard a sound in my Emmy, which
is somewhere of the subs.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Why isn't it like displayed directly behind you my.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
People's choice of my MTV are, which it's what my
MTV awards are right there?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Wait, there's one behind me. I think too.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Maybe they're not because for me, the awards that are
voted on by the fans, like the reason I do
what I do, just always held more importance to me.
And so I have more of my awards around me,
like my Glamour Women of the Years by like I
don't know. Those to me just are the ones that
are like right by me, and the other ones, well,
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I'm super appreciative and very grateful that I have them.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I don't know, it's just not the same to me.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But the Emmy, I was convinced that there was like
something inside of it, right, and it's like a surprise
that only Emmy winners know. I convinced myself of this,
so I decided to take apart my Emmy and see
that the surprise that like only Emmy winners know.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Can I never tell you this? No? And was that
a story that had gotten passed down to you or
is it just a story you came up with and
convinced yourself of.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
A story I came up with and convinced myself that
there was a secret society of Emmy winners that know
what's inside the Emmy. And so I opened it up
and it was a loose screw and when I put
it back together, I could never get it to line
up right. So my Emmy's like, haad to crook it?
Like they go like this in mine sort of welky.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, they would probably be happy to fix up for you. Yeah,
but mind it original it is it is. And now
you have this story where you convinced yourself that there
was a secret society of Emmy winners who just knew
that there was like a prize, a prize like the
Emmy wasn't enough. There's like a prize somewhere in there. Yeah, yeah, no,
there's not that, is it? And what did you win
the Emmy for?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh? My children?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Okay, So now let's go back to Buffy for a minute,
because from what I was reading on your bio you originally,
I know it's so weird that I just read your bio.
I could write your you could write my bio and
you would do a much better job than I would
writing my own.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You're very good with words as well. You auditioned for
a different part than Buffy originally, is what I read. Yeah,
edition for Cordelia.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Because I had come off all my children playing like
the bad character, and I had dyed my hair pitch black.
I was this, like, you know, emo New York girl
living in LA and so Cordelia seemed like the right choice,
and so I auditioned and I went to the process
and I screened tested at the studio at the network,
and then they offered me the job and they said
(21:35):
they still could I said, well, who's gonna be Buffy?
And they said, well, we can't find anyone. We're still looking.
And I was like, well could I audition for Buffy?
And my representative at my manager at the time, was like, no, no, no,
don't do that because you can confuse them and then
they could like not give you Cordelia. And I was like,
but I think I could do Buffy. And I was like,
you know, I have a background in taekwondo, I know
the movie, like just because I look a certain way.
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And my manager was like, don't do it, don't do it.
But Joey, and my agent was like, she should totally
do it. And I went in and I auditioned eleven
more times and a bunch more screen tests, and on
the last screen test they said, okay, can you come
back in one more they send the other girl home.
I said, can you come back in one more time?
And I just broke down in tears to the casting director,
(22:18):
to Marcia and I just said, okay, I can't. I'll
be Cordelia, Like this process has been insane, Like I
don't know what I'm doing. You obviously don't want me,
Like I'm out, just just sign my deal for Cordelia.
And She's like, no, just come back one more time.
And I'm like, I can't. I'm as literally bawling at
scare running down my eyes, and she said she dragged
me into the room and it was like thirty five
(22:39):
people in the room because you know what screen tests
were like in those tys. And I walked in and
they all clapped and said, we found our Buffy.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And there I was looking like a total wreck.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But eleven times, like why eleven times were you auditioning
with other people?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Were you? Oh? I was getting notes.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I was dying my hair through that process because they
could see what I looked like. It was just a
pretty brutal process for a mid season replacement show on
a network no one had heard of, but based on
a movie that was not successful.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So it was quite a process.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
But yeah, I mean eleven times at that age for
you know, everything that you said, a network that nobody
had heard of, mid season replacement. I don't think people
really understand what the auditioning process is like and how rough,
and certainly, like you said, back then, it was far
(23:34):
more difficult. It wasn't necessarily actor friendly. It was thirty
five people in a room, all sitting there, all judging you,
stone faced, stone faced. If you got a laugh out
of them, you walked out going like, oh my god,
I nailed the job, and then you didn't nail it.
So then all of a sudden, you're saying to yourself, well,
I can't judge anything based off of their reactions because
(23:55):
they're either stone face or they're doing a fake laugh.
That is, and then to have to like dye your
hair and go through all of that was Joss Whedon
sort of the one really pulling for you. Did you
ever find out if he was the guy that was like,
this is my Buffy or was it? He had to
be convinced through those eleven auditions that were brutal to
(24:19):
go through as well.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Oh no, I think I never wanted to relive that
period again, and of the audition prose as that I
was just done with it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I just didn't want to talk about anything about it.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I don't know. And you said that you had a
brown belt in taekwondo, which is huge.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, Richard Chun Studio on East eighty sixth Street. And
I loved it, but I got it. I got to
like middle school, and I was a competitive figure skater.
I was doing competitive taekwondo, I was acting, and I
was in school, and my mom said, you have to
pick two, like we can't do this anymore. And I
went out and she went one of them has to
be school. I thought maybe that was my out and
(24:56):
I can skip one. Yeah, but no, alas, And that's
when I dropped taekwondo and ice skating because my future
was you know, I was never going to be an
Olympic ice skater.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I'll tell you that. I was not that good, and.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I just figured i'd have a little more success making
a life for myself in entertainment than in taekwondo, But
it all worked out in the end.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
They both worked out for me. Yeah, it all worked
out for you.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And I can one hundred percent see you taking on
all those different things all at one time because you
are one of the most disciplined human beings I've ever met.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You have such ridiculous work ethic. She's being really nice
to just not call me type A. That's our way
of like being nice about the fact that I'm so
type A that like they wrote it, probably wrote a
book about me. Or if you'd look in the definition
and Websters of what is type A? Just says right
under Reese Witherspoot, It just says Sarah Michelle Geller.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's just the two of us. It's very true you
are type A. But I mean I admire that a lot.
I think that there have been times in my life
(26:15):
where I probably could have benefited from a little bit
more discipline, and you always, always, always had it. You
were just this is what I'm gonna do, and you
and I watch it with your kids. And how you manage,
i mean, your husband, how you manage to keep your
family your priority but still work still support friends, still
(26:41):
do creative things. You just somehow managed to do it all.
And what you can cram into one day and go
work out, I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Like you would. You'd be like, hey, we're going to
go work out at eight o'clock in the morning. I
was like, have fun.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, that's not your great rip, But you know what,
it was funny. I just think to like back to
the time when we first met. I'm glad you weren't
as disciplined as you are now then because you showed
me fun. I never I didn't go out. I just worked,
and because of you, I had fun adventures and I
went out and had friends. And you know, whether it
(27:19):
was like bowling at one in the morning at the
old Jerry's Deli, you.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Know, or Ricky Martin that was all you Ricky Martin
concert that was my friend of mine from soaps. Yeah,
that was that was Those pictures still circulate everywhere of
us at the Ricky Martin concert.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
You know what's funny. I always remember these boots that
I had that the concert. I had my first pair
of product boots ever, and they had this little like
wallet on the side, like I remember on the boot,
and I just shoved my credit card.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You drove. I shoved my credit card and like a
couple dollars in it.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And we didn't have cell phones then, so like my
pager was, I probably left it at home and they
just read.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You remember my pager number had the best pager number
in the world.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yes, you won three two oh two two one best
page number. And they just re release those boots. Those
boots are like super popular again. I was like, if
only I'd saved those.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
You didn't save them, no, because.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I I think I still have a New York mentality,
like an apartment mentality, which is there's no room to
save anything, and so I've just never.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Been a saveror like that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Like I just you have, like you know, your warehouses
of stuff. I have nothing, yeah, storage units, Like I
don't have that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, I mean I I there's just those certain like
pieces that I will never get rid of, even even
when I can't fit into them anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm like, I'm going to keep it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
One of them was the Doulce Gabana skirt silk long,
tight like skirt that I wore for the WB promosat
and I have it.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I have probably tried it on at least, let's say
in this year five times.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You can't fit into it. I certainly can't.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
The like, maybe I can get it over my butt,
but nope, still no go. Even after infusions, and after
a couple of days of sickness, I'm like, Okay, now
I can't.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Now it'll fit.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Little known fact about you is you will like go
shopping and see the sixth dining room table and you'll
be like, I might need that someday, and you will
because it's so beautiful you can't pass it up. Meanwhile,
I'm still waiting to get a dining room table because
I still haven't ordered anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I mean I do have a furniture fetish. I
know it's pretty bad. It's really bad, and it's a.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Really good taste. Thank you so.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And you did did you do a lot of your
stunts on Buffy as much as I.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Was allowed to and I was capable of.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I mean I didn't fall off buildings and stuff, but
I did a lot of like the hand to hand combat,
And yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
That's what I call doing your own stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
You just ask that like you didn't know that I
did because you were there on SAT. But Okay, I
there's a professional shan I am. I'm trying to be
very professional and.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I can't wait to be on your late night talk show.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I know right well, by the way, hair just one
of my nose. My nose is running. It's all a
mess over here today. But yes, I did know that
you did most of your stunts that you could do.
Falling off buildings is not something I opted to do either,
and I think it was one of the things that
was so cool about the two of us. I like
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to say that we had a cool period, or at
least I did, was that we were doing a lot
of our own stunts. We were girls that actually knew
how to kick ass and to do all of that
hand to hand combat. I got to do all of
the wire work. You were, you know, stabbing people with steaks.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I got to do fun wire work.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
When I did Scooby Doo, they hired the Japanese team
from Matrix, Yes, and they flew them to Australia. And
I didn't work that much in the first movie, and
so I would spend all my free time learning tricks
with them. And it was great too because they spoke
very little English. So my stunt double who was from
Buffy I brought out to Australia with me.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
We were blonde girl and other blonde girl.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So they called us and we worked on all this
crazy stuff. And then when we went because in the
beginning when we were doing Scooby Do, I was still
on we were still doing Buffy. So we would do
two weeks Australia, two weeks LA and we would just
fly back and forth and Melissa then I would learn
these wire tricks and if we didn't use them.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
For Scooby, we would uh she would call ahead to.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Our stunt coordinator and then he would rig it and
we could do the wire work for Buffy. Then that
was like when we started to bring in wire work
because we were training with this like ridiculously incredible team.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, those guys are ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
We had a stunt guy Chad Stahowski on Charmed and yeah,
who was Keanu Reeves, you know stunt man and obviously
worked with that whole wire crew and then went on
to direct John Wick. It was really weird when he
doubled for you though it worked somehow, but he him
(32:05):
and Dave Huggins and it was like a whole crew
Mike over there. Those guys all taught me how to
do the wirework, and it was truly some of the
most fun stuff I've ever been able to do in
my entire career. And I always say that before I die,
I just want to be an old John Wick.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
That's it, Okay, we can abably make that happen.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't want like the you know, hardcore drama anymore.
I just not interested in winning awards. Just want to
be an old lady John Wick who kicks ass.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
You should make it happen. So how was that set
to work on?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Because again, back then, for me personally, it wasn't as
if you met We talked about this a lot of
women that were super supportive of each other. You are
the star of a show. You are clearly the star.
It's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That is the name the
show is now writing on you your shoulders along with Joss,
(33:02):
And if I recall correctly from our conversations and from
seeing you after work sometimes or on the weekends, you're
working extremely long hours.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
It was a difficult time, you know, it was it
was a hard show. I it was a it was
a it was a tough show. It was tough hours.
It was tough emotionally, right, it was tough, you know,
it was it was, It was hard, and it was.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I think anytime that somebody is working eighteen hours a
day is extremely extremely, extremely hard. And it's sort of
the first season a Charmed we worked ridiculously long hours
as well, and it drains you. And it doesn't matter
how much you absolutely love your job. Doesn't matter how
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much you love going to the set and playing that
character and how much how appreciative you are. At the
end of the day, you go home and you're exhausted,
especially when then you're taking on doing your own stunts
and everything else, it just becomes it becomes tiring, which
is I think why our silly moments, our Ricky Martin
(34:16):
concerts and our bowling alleys was such a relief because
it was able to sort of shed everything else and
just kind of go out and be normal girls, our
age and have fun.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, and it was a good time too, because it
was before you know, cell phones, before everybody took pictures
of you and video of you and you didn't know it,
and you were allowed to have private moments. But what
I will say about that time is while we may
not have been a super close female cast on the
(34:52):
show as adults, I mean, I guess a lot of
them were adults non but like as grown ups now
we've all found and our ways back to each other,
and it's the support of each other exists now, yes,
and that's kind of really cool. I mean, I joke
that I'm going to hire Emma as my publicist because
(35:13):
she's she might be my biggest hype woman. And you know,
supporting Alison on Dancing with the Stars, and you know.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
She was great on it.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I told her, I said, you were the reason for
that show. Like that show has gone to a place
now where it's just like everyone's had professional dancing or
cheerleading and it's not fun. What that show was originally
about was taking somebody out of their comfort zone and
making them a dancer. And I can tell you I
did a musical episode with Alison, right, musicality was not
her thing, and she would run away from it. And
(35:44):
to watch how much she loved being on that show
and to watch her body transform and her dancing transform
like she was in my opinion, and I told her,
this is the real winner of that season.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
So she doesn't have a mirror ball. But she was
the winner. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I mean people were in love with her for she
and she was just a ray of light. Literally she
was You could tell how excited she was after each dance.
Her positivity shined through. I agree with you, obviously. I
(36:19):
did it for a very very very short period of time,
and it is really about those people that don't have
any of that experience and to watch them blossom and
find and find music and find their body and that
they can move their body in a different way and
(36:39):
embrace dance and how it sort of fulfills them and
makes them so incredibly happy.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I hope that.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
They hear this on Dance Think with the Stars and
find more people like that and less people that have
that dance experience, because as the audience, that's what you
want to see.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I completely agree. All right, So you now have you?
I remember you calling me and you're like, I'm going
(37:15):
back to work again, which I love about you because
you are so family oriented that you will take chunks
of time off. You're like, Okay, my kids really need
me for this. My kids really need me for that.
My husband needs me. And by the way, your husband,
who you know, I love Freddie Prinn's like love love, love,
love love him. And you said to me, I'm going
(37:39):
back to work this great show, wolf Pack, and I
got all excited for you.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And you were sending me.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Photos from the set in Atlanta and and where you
were staying in food shots because you're like you're you're
a foodie. Oh yeah, you love food and you love
adventure adventurous food. And I had to tell you, I
became addicted to the show.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You know, it was it's it was just a great
experience all around.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Like Jeff Davis reminded me how much fun it is
to make TV, and he really let me executive produce
that show and and and be involved in every you know,
like last second of it. I loved the kids made
me their like new excitement about the job, and you
(38:35):
know that that sort of.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
That youthful hope, and it rubbed off on me.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
And Freddie says it rubbed off on him too, just
like the kids and how just excited they were every
day to be there. And you know, a lot of
times with kids, it can be a harder experience, right
because they you know, they want to get to the
fame quickly, because that's how their that generation is, you know,
with social media and all that. And I have these
four kids. I mean they are adults, but they worked
(39:02):
so hard every day. They came in on days off
to learn stuff. They asked if they could come to
production meetings, if they could sit behind the director, the DP.
It was just they were exactly what you hope for
and those experiences and we just read a blast.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well I had a blast watching it, and I went
to your I'm just going to give a quick breakdown.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I went to your wedding, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Without without divulging too much, because I feel like I
keep on saying one of the things I love about you,
so I should have just have created a list and
gotten it over with from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
You can send it to me for Christmas. It's time
I will.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
That will be a Christmas present is how closely you
guard your privacy and how closely you guard your family
and particularly your children, and even just now with me,
of there's some things that we don't need to talk
about because it's not going to serve anybody well.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
And I love that.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I love that you are not a closed book with
your close friends, but very respectful of the boundaries that
you have set for yourself and what access people have
to your life, which I think also continues to give
you mystery as an actor.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
You know, it's interesting. I for me just know that
I'm not a strong enough person to be able to
take that pulling apart of my of who I really am.
But I look at you and how brave you are
sharing all of your experiences and doing this show and
(40:45):
really telling the truth, because it's so hard sometimes now
to get the truth out there. And there's parts of
me that wish I could be more like you and
be able to share those experiences because I know how
much it helps other peop people, and I know that
I'm not that person that can do it, and so
(41:07):
that's I think why I've had to set those boundaries
for myself. But I hope you know, like there's not
a day that goes by that people don't come up
to me on the street and talk to me about
you and talk to me about.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
How you know.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
The hope that you give them, that you remind them
that we all have to live and that bad stuff
happens even to famous people. And you know, you tell
your truth in such a way that I don't know
if you know the reach that you have and how
important it is. And even when I get down about
(41:45):
dumb things like I think about you and I mean, look,
let's be honest, like you're gonna outlive me.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like we all know this. You're gonna be telling me
to do things until I'm a hundred. I don't think
I'll be.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Like forcing you to write a memoir. At some point
You're gonna be like, no, I'm still not doing it.
I'm gonna be like, come on, no.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
That's not me. But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I just I think you're one of the bravest people
that I know, and the way you hit life head on,
and it's that we should all have a little a
little more Shannon.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
In ourselves think you.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I mean, listen, bravery comes in all sorts of different forms, right.
I think there's my form of bravery, and there's your
form of bravery. And pausing an incredibly successful career to
focus on your children to focus on your family is
(42:49):
also very brave. Starting a company like you did with
foodstores is incredibly brave. And setting boundaries early in this
day and age where I think everybody is expecting full
access to your life because so many people are giving
full access to their life. You know, they're literally conducting
(43:12):
their lives on TikTok or Twitter, which I guess is
called x or any of these social media platforms. The
only one I participate in is Instagram, okay, but my
MySpace page is a fire. I eat on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I love that. We actually I meant my space. I
eat on friends or.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
We are we we we were around during MySpace.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's frightening. I didn't have one. You didn't somebody made
me one. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
I don't even think I had an email then I
would like to even have an email address.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I did. It was an but it's an AOL like.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I missed all of Aol like by the time I
got an email address, it was Yahoo. Really yeah, I didn't,
I yeah, No, I love I still.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Have my AOL email. I know you do. I know you.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
It's you know, I use my Gmail more, but I
have it there, particularly because there's so many things that
came to that email that I don't delete anything. I
like paper trails, I'm a big fan of boats, so
all that stuff is still saved on that AOL account.
(44:24):
But anyway, going back to the being brave, you know,
it's I would imagine and from women that I've spoken
to in the business that have families, it can be
really hard to sort of juggle both, and I think
you have juggled it with a lot of grace and
(44:45):
been brave enough to take time off when you felt
like your kids needed it the most, and take time
off to charge into new adventures. And that is brave
as well.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I mean, I I try. I you know, I'm grateful.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Being a mom for me has really been the most
rewarding part of my life.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Definitely the hardest. Working is way easier. But I have
really good kids.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
And I have a really great husband, and it does
make wanting to do that easier.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You do. I love your family, you know that.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
And my family loves you. I'm not sure which Freddie
or I which one loves you more. There's always been
just this like brother sister crazy love between Freddy and myself.
It's the oddest thing, but I just adore him. And
I remember that we first bonded over gaming. Oh yeah,
(45:42):
you are both big gamers, yes, ye, yeah, every quest
In those days when you were there were days where
I'd be like Shannon, we have to go. She's like,
I can't. The dragon's going to lay the egg. I'm like,
oh my god, not you too. It was like I
got it on both ends. I got it from him,
I got it from you. And do you remember I
joined that group?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (45:57):
It was called Wow Widows? No? What was whoa widows
have ever? Yes? Because I was a double widow.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I was a widow from him and from you and
from me and I and then and then Mkoley oh yeah,
another one and Meila.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
It was we were all sort of gamers and I
was left out in the cold. You were left out
in the cold. You were not interested in the gaming world.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
We were.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I'm really glad I got out of that, although I
revisited a little bit during COVID and then had to
pull myself out.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I was like, okay, that's enough. Wed a lot of
board games in COVID.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
You with the jigsaw puzzles is brilliant, and I still
have two of them that you left here untouched.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
We played a lot of Remy Cube.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
We did, we did, but yeah, those other jigsaw puzzles
you're going to have to come over and help me with.
And here for our listeners is another fun fact real quick,
before I let Sarah go, Sarah does.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Not do podcasts. It's like her rule. She does not
do podcasts.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
And when I called her and was like I think
it was actually text, I was like, dude, are you
going to do my podcast? And she was like, are
you really going to make me break my role of
no podcasts for you? And I said, well, do I
need to pull out the cancer card? And you were
like yes, I mean I'm pulling out the card.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
I mean, I'm telling you I'm going to be like
ninety five and you're going to be like, no, we're
going to this bingo night.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I'm like, I don't want to go, and you're going
to be like, I have cancer.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
This is this is going to be our relationship until
you're gonna Yeah, you're gonna make it's drag queen bingo night.
We are going and I'll be like, I can't move.
I broke my hip yesterday, and you'll be like, I
have cancer.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
We're going I have cancer. You have to come. It's
a broken hip compared to cancer. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
That's what you're going to do. No, I totally know
this for the rest of my life, and it's only
don't do podcasts. I've done a few. It's just that
so many people that I love really dearly have them,
and it's so hard to be like to juggle all
the time, and you want to do like.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
I Although I asked Freddy a couple.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Of times if he would like me on his and
he has declined just for the record, which I think
is really funny.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I was like, because he has this really cool.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
You know, horror podcast, and so I've asked him and
I'm like, you know, I've been in a few horror movies.
It's like no, Maybe, I'm like, we could do the grudge,
Like he's no interest in having me.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
And we didn't even go through your entire resume, but
we don't have to because we're friends, and anybody can
go look up your bio and see, you know how
great waiting your career is. For the episode where I
get to interview you, anytime that you want, you can
interview me. That's season two. But I love you, and
thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for
(48:37):
letting me pull the cancer card on you.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I would have done it without the honest and I
just want to say this to all of your listeners like,
You're so lucky to get to see this part of Shannon,
because this is the part of Shannon that I have
known my entire adult life, which is a lot longer
than you probably realize because I'm old. But you have
so much to give, so much to share. And this
(49:03):
Shannon now is like the best Shannon I've ever seen.
And I've seen a lot of incantations of Shannon, but
you are living your truth. You are happier and later
even though there's been this has been an awful year, this.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Year, absolutely awful year for you.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, and the Shannon of twenty years ago would be
angry about it and would would fight it, and this
Shannon is like, well, these are my cards.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
So this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
And I'm going to get through this too, and I
can and I'm gonna do it with grace, and I'm
gonna be honest, and I I'm telling you, like, you
don't know how many people you reach and how many
people on the street.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Every day, Like Shannon's awesome. We want the best for her.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
You need to like, this is a constant in my life.
And I get prouder and prouder all the time. When
people say it to me and of just like just
how you've.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Handled this year.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Thank you, thank you, I love you, I love you.
You'll make me cry. So I'm going to stop right there.
I love you and thank you, and I mean I will.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I'll drive with Charlotte. It's fine. I mean, I'm not
going to I'll do it. It's okay, I'll do it all right. Well,
thank you so much for being on everybody that was.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Let's be clear with Shannon Doherty and Sarah Michelle Geller,
who we all adore and love, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Sarah,
This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi, everyone, welcome back to another episode of Let's Be
Clear with Shannon Doherty. I know that you guys have
all been asking me when are you going to have
this person on? And she's on you guys. It's Sarah
Michelle Geller. Hello, Hi you. And I know what's really
funny is that I was looking through like comments on
my Instagram the other day for some strange reason, because
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I've kind of stopped doing that, but I think I
was super bored, and I saw someone say, oh, it's
such a shame that you and Sarah aren't friends anymore.
We never see you guys on social media, And I thought,
do people think that we live our lives out on
social media and if we're not posting photos of us together,
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that it means we're not friends. It was the oddest
sort of aha moment that I had where I was like, Wow,
they like people really do think that anybody who's important
to each of us, we're always going to be posting
like pictures on social media.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I've tried also really hard to limit the comments because
it's just so hard to please everyone nowadays. I feel
like it's really hard to please anyone. Yeah, And I've
almost I've taken like a big step back from social
media lately and I've just been more work focused. But
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it's hard because you want to please the fans that
are really there for you and support you, but at
the same time, it takes a big chunk out of you.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, I mean I think emotionally it can be very
draining and it's very time consuming. And I've said this
a bunch of times so far that it's always the
most negative voice that seems to be the loudest, even
though it's you know, so few of them. But that
friendship thing was just so interesting to me because it's
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not as if you and I don't check him with
each other. It's not as if you didn't invite me
to like this wonderful you know, dinner with a bunch
of people recently.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But you know, you have kids.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I have no life, I am. I really just realized
that I have absolutely no life. I don't think I
went to the bathroom yesterday. I don't know if there's
time in my schedule to actually.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Do that yesterday. And it's it gets harder.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I'm hoping that soon enough Charlotte will drive, which is
also a scary prospect. But and then I might have
a little bit more time because right now I'm pretty
much an unpaid Uber driver.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I gotta be honest with you, Charlotte driving doesn't scare
me as much as Rocky driving.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think you think that because you think that Rocky
would be like the fast driver. But Charlotte is like
so easily distracted, right like.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh, radio Butterfly.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Oh, Rocky is like on the driving, like he just
didn't you know he's gonna be on the road.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So I think in a weird way, actually you should
be more worried about being in Charlotte's car, and she
will expect you to be in her car, by the way,
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But you know, I'm probably going to give it like
a good six months of her driving before I actually
jump in the car with her. Just seems a little
bit more on the safer side. May I do that
you put Freddy in the car?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Perfect?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean that my dad taught me how to drive,
Like that's that's what you do. The Dad's going I
was also thinking today as I was showering and then
blowing my nose because I'm a little sick.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I love that you think of you when you shower.
I know well that.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I was like, Wow, this is a friendship that we've
had for a very long time that has had zero competitiveness,
that has just been nothing but love and support and
standing by each other, giving each other space when we
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needed space, giving each other love when we needed love,
and that when we met, the time period that we met,
it wasn't really that much of like a female friendly
time period at all. And yet you really kind of
want to say, took me under your wing, right because
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you were it was the WB, correct, Yeah, the Devadava
and we did that big WB promo shoot and he
kind of just like scooped me up like a little
baby bird, and You're like, we got this, we got this.
And that continued throughout my career and more importantly, like
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through throughout our lives.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's so interesting because I didn't grow up around supportive
women in this industry, right, I mean, I started in soaps,
which was the most competitive, and it now because I've
been doing like a lot of thinking about the past
and and just how things have changed lately, and I
don't know, I think the only reason that I did that, honestly,
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was just I was such a huge fan because that
was out of my comfort zone to go up to
another woman and try to make friends because I always
thought women didn't like me or want to be friends
or there was like I didn't have a lot of
I had my you know, my female friends like from
childhood that you know, one of them and a couple
like like crew female friends, but I just didn't have
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that many. But I honestly, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Just I it was such a fan.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
But I think that's how it actually started. I just
couldn't pass up the opportunity to like talk to you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I mean maybe then then it must have been the
same on both sides, because I just remember being like, Okay,
the girl who literally kicks ass wants to hang out
with me?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And it wasn't just hang out. You took me to
one of my rap parties because I wasn't going to go.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Which is no bunny because I never went to mine.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I know, I know, I know, I've never gone to
one of mine. But we're going to yours, which turned
out to be a lot of fun for the hour
that we were there.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Anytime I've gotten a job or You've gotten a job,
it's or anything significant has happened in our lives. It's
just been nothing but love and support and either you know,
you driving out to Malibu and during cancer during treatments
and taking me to lunch and just hanging out and
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just sitting around and talking to our you know COVID
pod that we had, which was a blast.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I mean, you gave.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
My children such a life and COVID and I was
really struggling with how to give them that freedom and
that room to be kids and to have adventures. And
you opened your home to us and COVID in a
way that I will for the rest of my.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Life be grateful for.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I You gave them adventures and just freedom, and I
I can never repay that because that was such a
difficult time and so seeing my kids that happy and
giving me a break. Whether I mean people don't know this,
I mean Chan hadn't sat there sometimes when they were
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on Zoom school and help them, and you know, we
would have blackouts and she would plan adventures and we
just it was such a special time. And while that
time period was so stressful, and I never want to
repeat that I never want homeschooling again. There are times
where I miss that slow life and just like being
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able to to be like that and having your kids
spend that time with you too, right now if I
you know, they want to go see you and spend
a whole day, but they've got dance and football and basketball,
and you know, it's like it's just a it's such
a time suck life and and h.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I there are days I really miss it.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, I mean, interestingly enough, I kind of feel the
same COVID was. It was incredibly stressful, and you know,
far more stressful I think for people with kids, or
people with compromised health or people with compromised health.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
A slower pace and you get you did get to
connect in a way that once life resumes its normal pace,
you don't you don't have necessarily the time to connect
like you did during COVID. And uh, you know, you
guys helped me quite a bit through that time as well,
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because it's hard being isolated, especially as someone who's immune compromised,
and you were all so incredibly careful about sort of
who you were around and all of that in order
to actually come here and hang out and go swimming
and do wine challenges, which you know we're way overdue.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yes, we need a new one.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
That'll be my New Year's resolution. Just figure out what
the next one is.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The push up.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
One was pretty good that I sent you, but you
were far too confident in your ability to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
How I do that? I know you're like, yeah, I
got that, and I'm like, we need a harder one. No,
my push ups haven't gotten really good. I'm you look amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well I've had I've had a few months off from
work to be able to focus on training while my
kids are in school.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And you've had It's so funny. So my producer Lorraine
sends me notes on everyone doesn't.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Matter if I like that you got notes on me.
I did.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I got notes on you, and it was It's pretty
historical because some are like, oh hey, fun facts, and
some is you know, your entire bio, which is a crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Long, long, long bioe on you. You don't get notes.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know from like doing a TV movie called an
Invasion of Privacy at the age of six, which I'm
now going to figure out how I get to watch it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know who was in that movie? It was a
crazy cast.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Richard Masser, Carol Caine, Jerry Orbach, Valerie Harper.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like that was my first big job and it was
a crazy cast. That's like a pretty huge cast. Yeah,
and that was your very first job. Yeah, that's wild.
And then you were on All My Children, which I knew,
which is to me, soap actors might work the absolute hardest, oh.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Without question.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And what's funny too, is that because you know you're
doing an episode a day, so you have massive amounts
of lines to remember and hit your marks, and they
only do it once maybe twice. I used to learn
that if you cursed, they had to do a second take.
But my character had no friends, so my character only
did monologues.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
To herself and mirrors.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So it was just like just the most massive amount
of dialogue always because I had nobody talked to.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, that was And how how was that? Because soaps
are and I know that you're wasn't Kelly Rippa on
with you?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah? I I and you guys are really good friends.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah and Eva Laru Yes, I mean we had we
had good times. Like I had a really good group up.
Rebecca Gayheart was across the hall, like you just it
was it.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Was really fun. I mean I was a little young, so.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Sometimes I missed out on stuff because I was still
only fifteen and sixteen, I was still in school. But
I made incredible friends that I still dendre like, there's
so many people that you know, I still see and
it was like it was exciting time. It was a
lot of work and I was trying to jungle high
school too.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Kelly is awesome because she I just saw her when
I did her show and at the commercial break, she
was like, are you ready? Are you ready to date?
Are you ready for a boyfriend? I'm going to find
you someone. And she started like taking like asking me,
like what's your list? What do you need? She was like, oh,
I think I got somebody in mind. I was like, dude,
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just just text me and and you can. You You're
one hundred percent the right person to start setting me up.
I'm fine with that. Fun fact about you was that
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you graduated because you just mentioned that you were doing
all my children while you were actually still finishing high
school as well, and you graduated with straight a's.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I did early. I was a couple weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
After my sixteenth birthday, and do you know who through
my graduation party.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Who Kelly? How do I not know any of this?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Because it was I was it wasn't really the public eye,
so it wasn't you know, it wasn't like a big thing.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
But I actually saw Kelly.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I saw Kelly right after you did, because she came
out here for a party for Elsa's daughter. And we
were talking about, like Charlotte is the age where Mark
and Kelly you know, met me? And they were talking
about like they were just sort of blown away because
they hadn't seen I don't Kelly's maybe she shows, but
I think Mark had seen Charlotte since she was like littler,
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and so Mark was just like he like was finding
his words, and I was like, yeah, we were talking
about my graduation that they threw.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
How was that?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
What did they do for you? Do you remember it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Her, Well, they were all at the ceremony at Lincoln Center.
They were all there, and then they rented It was
like at slash sixteenth birthday graduation party. I forget, I
bet one of them I will. Kelly won't, but it
maybe even remembers where it was. I'm sure it was
like some like bar they rented out that I couldn't
drink at that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Everybody else could.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Your school had a graduation at Lincoln Center.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Well, you grew up in New York City. It's not
you know, yeah, that's like the local hall, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's not right.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But to me, you hear Lincoln Center and you're like,
oh my god, it's Lincoln Center. That's pretty amazing at
this school have that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
It wasn't Alice Tully Hall. It was one of the
smaller gotcha was it? Like, you know, thank you for
clarifying that for me.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I know I did people just imagining just like just
you know, and we were a small grade, just like
being dwarfed on the stage now.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And so obviously one of the absolute biggest things, not
the but one of the biggest TV shows that in
your career was Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh that's the biggest television show.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I mean, that's yeah, I mean that's I challenge you
to find a bigger one than I did.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, I personally am like the crazy ones. Working with
Robin Williams, that to me is you know, you got
to work with a comedic genius, a genius sort of
all the way around. And I watched the show every
single week, and I really loved it. So I understand
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that it may not have been as much of a
pulp pop culture iconic show as Buffy, but that was
a critically acclaimed show for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It also changed my life.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
That's what eventually made me take the break was, you know,
we were doing the show Rocky when I did the
pilot was three months old. Like, I went back to
work right away because I was.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Desperate to work with Robin.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I mean, when when that opportunity came my way, I
there was no way to pass it up. Yeah, And
I was one of the few people that knew while
we were doing the show that he was really struggling,
that he wasn't well, and I soaked up every moment
I could with him and just I felt like the
work was the easy part for me. It was just
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making sure that you know, he was okay and that
they weren't working him too hard. And you know, the
couple people that were around him on the show that knew,
we were very protective because you you know, it worked
on the show is a hard job, and you don't
you want to without spilling his secrets. You want to
protect him. And when he passed away. Just everything stopped
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for me and I, I mean, you were there through this,
but I just said, what am I doing? Like my
kids are really young, I've worked my whole life, like
I don't want to miss I don't want to miss this.
I don't you know, I don't want to be gone
when Rocky takes this first step, I don't want to
be And that's what made.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Me take all those years off.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Was was Robin and not just him, but just you know,
those moments in your life stop you in your tracks and.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You gives you a different sort of a clarity. Yeah, yeah,
and your priorities shift a little bit. Yeah, And during
that time, didn't you? Isn't that also when you started
Foodstars start.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Of Foosters right after that, when I was like what
else should I? And part of that was like based
on the show, as I got so interested in advertising
and products and how you you know that that sort
of sparked that side of it, and it was great
because it allowed me to, you know, be with the
kids when they really needed and when they wanted to
be with me when I wasn't just like can you
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take me to supporta or can you take me to
jiggle ball. That's a huge one, right, that's a big
one that I get, or Wingo tango speaking of iHeart
and you know, and now it was like the right
time because they have easier lives than me, and so
it was like, oh, I can.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Go back to work now.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I also loved Foodstirs because you would send me food
food all the time.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I would get like all the batters and so I
loved that time. I was like, this is amazing. I
don't have to do any sort of hard baking. Sarah's
got me covered. Just boxes of stuff would come or
I would come to like the offices and snag a
whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, it was a good time, and it was you know,
it was funny. I say this a lot. It really
helped me when I went back to work because I
went back to a different business, you know, I went
back to a business that went from being really entertainment
based to a lot of it being tech bas and
it gave me a sort of deeper understanding of how
streamers work and churn and ROI and all of those
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things that I don't think I would have had, especially
as I now say so much more into producing as well,
that I do have this very deep understanding of how
that works that I never would have had otherwise.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, I mean you just said a whole bunch of
stuff in there that I'm like, what did she just say?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I would have thought.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
ROI was the camping store, but I think that's our
EI goes to show you how much I camp.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm like, what is she talking about? Right now?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I do know that, Like, you're the one person I call.
You and am Marie are probably the two people that
I call when I have any questions about computers or
Instagram or any of it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I am the tech person in this house. I am
t Yes you are, and you're really really really good
at it good, But I just use it as I
don't I don't get frustrated and I don't give up.
Like there's two kinds of personalities right Like you're like Freddie,
You're like it doesn't work, you know, like that's you
two are similar and for me, I'm like my I'm
like I want to figure out what's Like I'm the
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person that would take apart toys to see how they worked. Yeah,
I actually, do you ever a tender shy about my
Emmy No, I heard a sound in my Emmy, which
is somewhere of the subs.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Why isn't it like displayed directly behind you my.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
People's choice of my MTV are, which it's what my
MTV awards are right there?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Wait, there's one behind me. I think too.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Maybe they're not because for me, the awards that are
voted on by the fans, like the reason I do
what I do, just always held more importance to me.
And so I have more of my awards around me,
like my Glamour Women of the Years by like I
don't know. Those to me just are the ones that
are like right by me, and the other ones, well,
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I'm super appreciative and very grateful that I have them.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I don't know, it's just not the same to me.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But the Emmy, I was convinced that there was like
something inside of it, right, and it's like a surprise
that only Emmy winners know. I convinced myself of this,
so I decided to take apart my Emmy and see
that the surprise that like only Emmy winners know.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Can I never tell you this? No? And was that
a story that had gotten passed down to you or
is it just a story you came up with and
convinced yourself of.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
A story I came up with and convinced myself that
there was a secret society of Emmy winners that know
what's inside the Emmy. And so I opened it up
and it was a loose screw and when I put
it back together, I could never get it to line
up right. So my Emmy's like, haad to crook it?
Like they go like this in mine sort of welky.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, they would probably be happy to fix up for you. Yeah,
but mind it original it is it is. And now
you have this story where you convinced yourself that there
was a secret society of Emmy winners who just knew
that there was like a prize, a prize like the
Emmy wasn't enough. There's like a prize somewhere in there. Yeah, yeah, no,
there's not that, is it? And what did you win
the Emmy for?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh? My children?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Okay, So now let's go back to Buffy for a minute,
because from what I was reading on your bio you originally,
I know it's so weird that I just read your bio.
I could write your you could write my bio and
you would do a much better job than I would
writing my own.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You're very good with words as well. You auditioned for
a different part than Buffy originally, is what I read. Yeah,
edition for Cordelia.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Because I had come off all my children playing like
the bad character, and I had dyed my hair pitch black.
I was this, like, you know, emo New York girl
living in LA and so Cordelia seemed like the right choice,
and so I auditioned and I went to the process
and I screened tested at the studio at the network,
and then they offered me the job and they said
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they still could I said, well, who's gonna be Buffy?
And they said, well, we can't find anyone. We're still looking.
And I was like, well could I audition for Buffy?
And my representative at my manager at the time, was like, no, no, no,
don't do that because you can confuse them and then
they could like not give you Cordelia. And I was like,
but I think I could do Buffy. And I was like,
you know, I have a background in taekwondo, I know
the movie, like just because I look a certain way.
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And my manager was like, don't do it, don't do it.
But Joey, and my agent was like, she should totally
do it. And I went in and I auditioned eleven
more times and a bunch more screen tests, and on
the last screen test they said, okay, can you come
back in one more they send the other girl home.
I said, can you come back in one more time?
And I just broke down in tears to the casting director,
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to Marcia and I just said, okay, I can't. I'll
be Cordelia, Like this process has been insane, Like I
don't know what I'm doing. You obviously don't want me,
Like I'm out, just just sign my deal for Cordelia.
And She's like, no, just come back one more time.
And I'm like, I can't. I'm as literally bawling at
scare running down my eyes, and she said she dragged
me into the room and it was like thirty five
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people in the room because you know what screen tests
were like in those tys. And I walked in and
they all clapped and said, we found our Buffy.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And there I was looking like a total wreck.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But eleven times, like why eleven times were you auditioning
with other people?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Were you? Oh? I was getting notes.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I was dying my hair through that process because they
could see what I looked like. It was just a
pretty brutal process for a mid season replacement show on
a network no one had heard of, but based on
a movie that was not successful.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So it was quite a process.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
But yeah, I mean eleven times at that age for
you know, everything that you said, a network that nobody
had heard of, mid season replacement. I don't think people
really understand what the auditioning process is like and how rough,
and certainly, like you said, back then, it was far
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more difficult. It wasn't necessarily actor friendly. It was thirty
five people in a room, all sitting there, all judging you,
stone faced, stone faced. If you got a laugh out
of them, you walked out going like, oh my god,
I nailed the job, and then you didn't nail it.
So then all of a sudden, you're saying to yourself, well,
I can't judge anything based off of their reactions because
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they're either stone face or they're doing a fake laugh.
That is, and then to have to like dye your
hair and go through all of that was Joss Whedon
sort of the one really pulling for you. Did you
ever find out if he was the guy that was like,
this is my Buffy or was it? He had to
be convinced through those eleven auditions that were brutal to
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go through as well.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Oh no, I think I never wanted to relive that
period again, and of the audition prose as that I
was just done with it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I just didn't want to talk about anything about it.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I don't know. And you said that you had a
brown belt in taekwondo, which is huge.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, Richard Chun Studio on East eighty sixth Street. And
I loved it, but I got it. I got to
like middle school, and I was a competitive figure skater.
I was doing competitive taekwondo, I was acting, and I
was in school, and my mom said, you have to
pick two, like we can't do this anymore. And I
went out and she went one of them has to
be school. I thought maybe that was my out and
(24:56):
I can skip one. Yeah, but no, alas, And that's
when I dropped taekwondo and ice skating because my future
was you know, I was never going to be an
Olympic ice skater.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I'll tell you that. I was not that good, and.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I just figured i'd have a little more success making
a life for myself in entertainment than in taekwondo, But
it all worked out in the end.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
They both worked out for me. Yeah, it all worked
out for you.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And I can one hundred percent see you taking on
all those different things all at one time because you
are one of the most disciplined human beings I've ever met.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You have such ridiculous work ethic. She's being really nice
to just not call me type A. That's our way
of like being nice about the fact that I'm so
type A that like they wrote it, probably wrote a
book about me. Or if you'd look in the definition
and Websters of what is type A? Just says right
under Reese Witherspoot, It just says Sarah Michelle Geller.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's just the two of us. It's very true you
are type A. But I mean I admire that a lot.
I think that there have been times in my life
(26:15):
where I probably could have benefited from a little bit
more discipline, and you always, always, always had it. You
were just this is what I'm gonna do, and you
and I watch it with your kids. And how you manage,
i mean, your husband, how you manage to keep your
family your priority but still work still support friends, still
(26:41):
do creative things. You just somehow managed to do it all.
And what you can cram into one day and go
work out, I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Like you would. You'd be like, hey, we're going to
go work out at eight o'clock in the morning. I
was like, have fun.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, that's not your great rip, But you know what,
it was funny. I just think to like back to
the time when we first met. I'm glad you weren't
as disciplined as you are now then because you showed
me fun. I never I didn't go out. I just worked,
and because of you, I had fun adventures and I
went out and had friends. And you know, whether it
(27:19):
was like bowling at one in the morning at the
old Jerry's Deli, you.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Know, or Ricky Martin that was all you Ricky Martin
concert that was my friend of mine from soaps. Yeah,
that was that was Those pictures still circulate everywhere of
us at the Ricky Martin concert.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
You know what's funny. I always remember these boots that
I had that the concert. I had my first pair
of product boots ever, and they had this little like
wallet on the side, like I remember on the boot,
and I just shoved my credit card.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You drove. I shoved my credit card and like a
couple dollars in it.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And we didn't have cell phones then, so like my
pager was, I probably left it at home and they
just read.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You remember my pager number had the best pager number
in the world.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yes, you won three two oh two two one best
page number. And they just re release those boots. Those
boots are like super popular again. I was like, if
only I'd saved those.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
You didn't save them, no, because.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I I think I still have a New York mentality,
like an apartment mentality, which is there's no room to
save anything, and so I've just never.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Been a saveror like that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Like I just you have, like you know, your warehouses
of stuff. I have nothing, yeah, storage units, Like I
don't have that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, I mean I I there's just those certain like
pieces that I will never get rid of, even even
when I can't fit into them anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm like, I'm going to keep it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
One of them was the Doulce Gabana skirt silk long,
tight like skirt that I wore for the WB promosat
and I have it.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I have probably tried it on at least, let's say
in this year five times.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You can't fit into it. I certainly can't.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
The like, maybe I can get it over my butt,
but nope, still no go. Even after infusions, and after
a couple of days of sickness, I'm like, Okay, now
I can't.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Now it'll fit.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Little known fact about you is you will like go
shopping and see the sixth dining room table and you'll
be like, I might need that someday, and you will
because it's so beautiful you can't pass it up. Meanwhile,
I'm still waiting to get a dining room table because
I still haven't ordered anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I mean I do have a furniture fetish. I
know it's pretty bad. It's really bad, and it's a.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Really good taste. Thank you so.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And you did did you do a lot of your
stunts on Buffy as much as I.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Was allowed to and I was capable of.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I mean I didn't fall off buildings and stuff, but
I did a lot of like the hand to hand combat,
And yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
That's what I call doing your own stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
You just ask that like you didn't know that I
did because you were there on SAT. But Okay, I
there's a professional shan I am. I'm trying to be
very professional and.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I can't wait to be on your late night talk show.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I know right well, by the way, hair just one
of my nose. My nose is running. It's all a
mess over here today. But yes, I did know that
you did most of your stunts that you could do.
Falling off buildings is not something I opted to do either,
and I think it was one of the things that
was so cool about the two of us. I like
(30:23):
to say that we had a cool period, or at
least I did, was that we were doing a lot
of our own stunts. We were girls that actually knew
how to kick ass and to do all of that
hand to hand combat. I got to do all of
the wire work. You were, you know, stabbing people with steaks.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I got to do fun wire work.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
When I did Scooby Doo, they hired the Japanese team
from Matrix, Yes, and they flew them to Australia. And
I didn't work that much in the first movie, and
so I would spend all my free time learning tricks
with them. And it was great too because they spoke
very little English. So my stunt double who was from
Buffy I brought out to Australia with me.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
We were blonde girl and other blonde girl.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So they called us and we worked on all this
crazy stuff. And then when we went because in the
beginning when we were doing Scooby Do, I was still
on we were still doing Buffy. So we would do
two weeks Australia, two weeks LA and we would just
fly back and forth and Melissa then I would learn
these wire tricks and if we didn't use them.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
For Scooby, we would uh she would call ahead to.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Our stunt coordinator and then he would rig it and
we could do the wire work for Buffy. Then that
was like when we started to bring in wire work
because we were training with this like ridiculously incredible team.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, those guys are ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
We had a stunt guy Chad Stahowski on Charmed and yeah,
who was Keanu Reeves, you know stunt man and obviously
worked with that whole wire crew and then went on
to direct John Wick. It was really weird when he
doubled for you though it worked somehow, but he him
(32:05):
and Dave Huggins and it was like a whole crew
Mike over there. Those guys all taught me how to
do the wirework, and it was truly some of the
most fun stuff I've ever been able to do in
my entire career. And I always say that before I die,
I just want to be an old John Wick.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
That's it, Okay, we can abably make that happen.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't want like the you know, hardcore drama anymore.
I just not interested in winning awards. Just want to
be an old lady John Wick who kicks ass.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
You should make it happen. So how was that set
to work on?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Because again, back then, for me personally, it wasn't as
if you met We talked about this a lot of
women that were super supportive of each other. You are
the star of a show. You are clearly the star.
It's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That is the name the
show is now writing on you your shoulders along with Joss,
(33:02):
And if I recall correctly from our conversations and from
seeing you after work sometimes or on the weekends, you're
working extremely long hours.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
It was a difficult time, you know, it was it
was a hard show. I it was a it was
a it was a tough show. It was tough hours.
It was tough emotionally, right, it was tough, you know,
it was it was, It was hard, and it was.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I think anytime that somebody is working eighteen hours a
day is extremely extremely, extremely hard. And it's sort of
the first season a Charmed we worked ridiculously long hours
as well, and it drains you. And it doesn't matter
how much you absolutely love your job. Doesn't matter how
(33:52):
much you love going to the set and playing that
character and how much how appreciative you are. At the
end of the day, you go home and you're exhausted,
especially when then you're taking on doing your own stunts
and everything else, it just becomes it becomes tiring, which
is I think why our silly moments, our Ricky Martin
(34:16):
concerts and our bowling alleys was such a relief because
it was able to sort of shed everything else and
just kind of go out and be normal girls, our
age and have fun.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, and it was a good time too, because it
was before you know, cell phones, before everybody took pictures
of you and video of you and you didn't know it,
and you were allowed to have private moments. But what
I will say about that time is while we may
not have been a super close female cast on the
(34:52):
show as adults, I mean, I guess a lot of
them were adults non but like as grown ups now
we've all found and our ways back to each other,
and it's the support of each other exists now, yes,
and that's kind of really cool. I mean, I joke
that I'm going to hire Emma as my publicist because
(35:13):
she's she might be my biggest hype woman. And you know,
supporting Alison on Dancing with the Stars, and you know.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
She was great on it.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I told her, I said, you were the reason for
that show. Like that show has gone to a place
now where it's just like everyone's had professional dancing or
cheerleading and it's not fun. What that show was originally
about was taking somebody out of their comfort zone and
making them a dancer. And I can tell you I
did a musical episode with Alison, right, musicality was not
her thing, and she would run away from it. And
(35:44):
to watch how much she loved being on that show
and to watch her body transform and her dancing transform
like she was in my opinion, and I told her,
this is the real winner of that season.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
So she doesn't have a mirror ball. But she was
the winner. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I mean people were in love with her for she
and she was just a ray of light. Literally she
was You could tell how excited she was after each dance.
Her positivity shined through. I agree with you, obviously. I
(36:19):
did it for a very very very short period of time,
and it is really about those people that don't have
any of that experience and to watch them blossom and
find and find music and find their body and that
they can move their body in a different way and
(36:39):
embrace dance and how it sort of fulfills them and
makes them so incredibly happy.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I hope that.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
They hear this on Dance Think with the Stars and
find more people like that and less people that have
that dance experience, because as the audience, that's what you
want to see.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I completely agree. All right, So you now have you?
I remember you calling me and you're like, I'm going
(37:15):
back to work again, which I love about you because
you are so family oriented that you will take chunks
of time off. You're like, Okay, my kids really need
me for this. My kids really need me for that.
My husband needs me. And by the way, your husband,
who you know, I love Freddie Prinn's like love love, love,
love love him. And you said to me, I'm going
(37:39):
back to work this great show, wolf Pack, and I
got all excited for you.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And you were sending me.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Photos from the set in Atlanta and and where you
were staying in food shots because you're like you're you're
a foodie. Oh yeah, you love food and you love
adventure adventurous food. And I had to tell you, I
became addicted to the show.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You know, it was it's it was just a great
experience all around.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Like Jeff Davis reminded me how much fun it is
to make TV, and he really let me executive produce
that show and and and be involved in every you know,
like last second of it. I loved the kids made
me their like new excitement about the job, and you
(38:35):
know that that sort of.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
That youthful hope, and it rubbed off on me.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
And Freddie says it rubbed off on him too, just
like the kids and how just excited they were every
day to be there. And you know, a lot of
times with kids, it can be a harder experience, right
because they you know, they want to get to the
fame quickly, because that's how their that generation is, you know,
with social media and all that. And I have these
four kids. I mean they are adults, but they worked
(39:02):
so hard every day. They came in on days off
to learn stuff. They asked if they could come to
production meetings, if they could sit behind the director, the DP.
It was just they were exactly what you hope for
and those experiences and we just read a blast.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well I had a blast watching it, and I went
to your I'm just going to give a quick breakdown.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I went to your wedding, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Without without divulging too much, because I feel like I
keep on saying one of the things I love about you,
so I should have just have created a list and
gotten it over with from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
You can send it to me for Christmas. It's time
I will.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
That will be a Christmas present is how closely you
guard your privacy and how closely you guard your family
and particularly your children, and even just now with me,
of there's some things that we don't need to talk
about because it's not going to serve anybody well.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
And I love that.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I love that you are not a closed book with
your close friends, but very respectful of the boundaries that
you have set for yourself and what access people have
to your life, which I think also continues to give
you mystery as an actor.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
You know, it's interesting. I for me just know that
I'm not a strong enough person to be able to
take that pulling apart of my of who I really am.
But I look at you and how brave you are
sharing all of your experiences and doing this show and
(40:45):
really telling the truth, because it's so hard sometimes now
to get the truth out there. And there's parts of
me that wish I could be more like you and
be able to share those experiences because I know how
much it helps other peop people, and I know that
I'm not that person that can do it, and so
(41:07):
that's I think why I've had to set those boundaries
for myself. But I hope you know, like there's not
a day that goes by that people don't come up
to me on the street and talk to me about
you and talk to me about.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
How you know.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
The hope that you give them, that you remind them
that we all have to live and that bad stuff
happens even to famous people. And you know, you tell
your truth in such a way that I don't know
if you know the reach that you have and how
important it is. And even when I get down about
(41:45):
dumb things like I think about you and I mean, look,
let's be honest, like you're gonna outlive me.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like we all know this. You're gonna be telling me
to do things until I'm a hundred. I don't think
I'll be.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Like forcing you to write a memoir. At some point
You're gonna be like, no, I'm still not doing it.
I'm gonna be like, come on, no.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
That's not me. But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I just I think you're one of the bravest people
that I know, and the way you hit life head on,
and it's that we should all have a little a
little more Shannon.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
In ourselves think you.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I mean, listen, bravery comes in all sorts of different forms, right.
I think there's my form of bravery, and there's your
form of bravery. And pausing an incredibly successful career to
focus on your children to focus on your family is
(42:49):
also very brave. Starting a company like you did with
foodstores is incredibly brave. And setting boundaries early in this
day and age where I think everybody is expecting full
access to your life because so many people are giving
full access to their life. You know, they're literally conducting
(43:12):
their lives on TikTok or Twitter, which I guess is
called x or any of these social media platforms. The
only one I participate in is Instagram, okay, but my
MySpace page is a fire. I eat on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I love that. We actually I meant my space. I
eat on friends or.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
We are we we we were around during MySpace.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's frightening. I didn't have one. You didn't somebody made
me one. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
I don't even think I had an email then I
would like to even have an email address.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I did. It was an but it's an AOL like.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I missed all of Aol like by the time I
got an email address, it was Yahoo. Really yeah, I didn't,
I yeah, No, I love I still.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Have my AOL email. I know you do. I know you.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
It's you know, I use my Gmail more, but I
have it there, particularly because there's so many things that
came to that email that I don't delete anything. I
like paper trails, I'm a big fan of boats, so
all that stuff is still saved on that AOL account.
(44:24):
But anyway, going back to the being brave, you know,
it's I would imagine and from women that I've spoken
to in the business that have families, it can be
really hard to sort of juggle both, and I think
you have juggled it with a lot of grace and
(44:45):
been brave enough to take time off when you felt
like your kids needed it the most, and take time
off to charge into new adventures. And that is brave
as well.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I mean, I I try. I you know, I'm grateful.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Being a mom for me has really been the most
rewarding part of my life.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Definitely the hardest. Working is way easier. But I have
really good kids.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
And I have a really great husband, and it does
make wanting to do that easier.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You do. I love your family, you know that.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
And my family loves you. I'm not sure which Freddie
or I which one loves you more. There's always been
just this like brother sister crazy love between Freddy and myself.
It's the oddest thing, but I just adore him. And
I remember that we first bonded over gaming. Oh yeah,
(45:42):
you are both big gamers, yes, ye, yeah, every quest
In those days when you were there were days where
I'd be like Shannon, we have to go. She's like,
I can't. The dragon's going to lay the egg. I'm like,
oh my god, not you too. It was like I
got it on both ends. I got it from him,
I got it from you. And do you remember I
joined that group?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (45:57):
It was called Wow Widows? No? What was whoa widows
have ever? Yes? Because I was a double widow.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I was a widow from him and from you and
from me and I and then and then Mkoley oh yeah,
another one and Meila.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
It was we were all sort of gamers and I
was left out in the cold. You were left out
in the cold. You were not interested in the gaming world.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
We were.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I'm really glad I got out of that, although I
revisited a little bit during COVID and then had to
pull myself out.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I was like, okay, that's enough. Wed a lot of
board games in COVID.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
You with the jigsaw puzzles is brilliant, and I still
have two of them that you left here untouched.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
We played a lot of Remy Cube.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
We did, we did, but yeah, those other jigsaw puzzles
you're going to have to come over and help me with.
And here for our listeners is another fun fact real quick,
before I let Sarah go, Sarah does.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Not do podcasts. It's like her rule. She does not
do podcasts.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
And when I called her and was like I think
it was actually text, I was like, dude, are you
going to do my podcast? And she was like, are
you really going to make me break my role of
no podcasts for you? And I said, well, do I
need to pull out the cancer card? And you were
like yes, I mean I'm pulling out the card.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
I mean, I'm telling you I'm going to be like
ninety five and you're going to be like, no, we're
going to this bingo night.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I'm like, I don't want to go, and you're going
to be like, I have cancer.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
This is this is going to be our relationship until
you're gonna Yeah, you're gonna make it's drag queen bingo night.
We are going and I'll be like, I can't move.
I broke my hip yesterday, and you'll be like, I
have cancer.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
We're going I have cancer. You have to come. It's
a broken hip compared to cancer. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
That's what you're going to do. No, I totally know
this for the rest of my life, and it's only
don't do podcasts. I've done a few. It's just that
so many people that I love really dearly have them,
and it's so hard to be like to juggle all
the time, and you want to do like.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
I Although I asked Freddy a couple.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Of times if he would like me on his and
he has declined just for the record, which I think
is really funny.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I was like, because he has this really cool.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
You know, horror podcast, and so I've asked him and
I'm like, you know, I've been in a few horror movies.
It's like no, Maybe, I'm like, we could do the grudge,
Like he's no interest in having me.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
And we didn't even go through your entire resume, but
we don't have to because we're friends, and anybody can
go look up your bio and see, you know how
great waiting your career is. For the episode where I
get to interview you, anytime that you want, you can
interview me. That's season two. But I love you, and
thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for
(48:37):
letting me pull the cancer card on you.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I would have done it without the honest and I
just want to say this to all of your listeners like,
You're so lucky to get to see this part of Shannon,
because this is the part of Shannon that I have
known my entire adult life, which is a lot longer
than you probably realize because I'm old. But you have
so much to give, so much to share. And this
(49:03):
Shannon now is like the best Shannon I've ever seen.
And I've seen a lot of incantations of Shannon, but
you are living your truth. You are happier and later
even though there's been this has been an awful year, this.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Year, absolutely awful year for you.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, and the Shannon of twenty years ago would be
angry about it and would would fight it, and this
Shannon is like, well, these are my cards.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
So this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
And I'm going to get through this too, and I
can and I'm gonna do it with grace, and I'm
gonna be honest, and I I'm telling you, like, you
don't know how many people you reach and how many
people on the street.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Every day, Like Shannon's awesome. We want the best for her.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
You need to like, this is a constant in my life.
And I get prouder and prouder all the time. When
people say it to me and of just like just
how you've.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Handled this year.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Thank you, thank you, I love you, I love you.
You'll make me cry. So I'm going to stop right there.
I love you and thank you, and I mean I will.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I'll drive with Charlotte. It's fine. I mean, I'm not
going to I'll do it. It's okay, I'll do it all right. Well,
thank you so much for being on everybody that was.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Let's be clear with Shannon Doherty and Sarah Michelle Geller,
who we all adore and love, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Sarah,
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