Friends or Froze w/ Tori Deal

Devyn and Da'Vonne have been waiting to interview Tori all season and this week it finally happens! From Jordan and Fessy to community theatre and dressing like newscasters: they get into it all. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Hello guys. It's Devin Simone and I'm Davon Rogers
and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Who whoo, we
are here. So glad. I know you guys were glad
to hear Tory enemy, so we told y'all it's a foursome. Okay,
all right, they're here. They're still in the family. It's
not either or it's all of us. So glad that

(00:22):
they're back in the mix. So glad that we are
here with you guys, and excited to talk about this
week's episode, and really excited about this week's guest. But
before we reveal to you this week's guest is um,
let's talk a little bit about the episode. Day. What
are your thoughts. This episode was so good because we're
pretty much at the final, so everybody is itching, okay,

(00:46):
and you can see it. The paranoia is out of control,
everybody's paranoia. Johnny is winning challenges and he looks scared
by the way. Yes, everybody is walking on eggshells because
at this point they can taste that the final is
right there, right right, And and it's true. I forgot
who said it in this episode, but they said the

(01:08):
worst thing than getting eliminated the first week is getting
eliminated the week before the final or like the last one.
And that's true because it's like you've come, you've been
through hell and back and you've come all that way
to go home, which is wild. And we really see
a fear in Bananas at a certain point. Now we've
heard on the back end. We talked about it a
little bit on the podcast that Banana's strategy may or

(01:30):
may not have been for them to kind of lay
low in the dailies in the early weeks and then
to really kind of like ratchet it up and like
you know, pull out all the stops towards the end.
So now we see them winning dailies all of a sudden,
they weren't doing that before. He seems to think that
no one realizes he hasn't been thrown in. Meanwhile, Editor's

(01:54):
cut to every clip with everybody talking about the fact
that he hasn't gone in. So, yeah, it's it's hench
interesting to see that dynamic. What did you think about
the daily they had to do? How do you think
you would have done? I wouldn't have made it. I
wouldn't have made it. How would listen to me, I
wouldn't have made it, like I'd have been sitting there
like if me and Josh really would have went through
with this thing, oh baby, it would have mad. I

(02:15):
could I couldn't survived. You know, I don't know who
my writer dies male partner would be honestly, um, weirdly enough,
the closest first, the firston I'm closest to you probably
of the challenge. You guys would be chet. That's weird.
We not we wouldn't have survived that. Um. So yeah,
I don't like cold water, but I'm pretty I feel like,
which seems to be a Devin trend. I'm pretty good
at strategizing and memory, so I do feel like that

(02:38):
part would have been good. I just the cold water thing,
and see that's the thing. My memory is a one.
But baby, you put me in that water and it's
the cord over the moon. I forgot right. Yeah that
was that was a lot and evil and like it
looked like torture, Like who comes up with these things?
I'm sorry that just because it's already like coldish looking
out there anyway, we see him in coats and layers

(03:00):
and then you got to be in that like maybe
on a hot summer's day, but just seemed painful. But
they managed to kill it. Tory and Devin, you know,
just got up. They were like, oh this time in
and just handled business like nobody's business. Did such a
great job. Then we get down to the deliberation of
it all. Just a lot, a lot was going on

(03:21):
this episode. Who do you give your gold star of
the week? Two? And if you have a time out
of the week, who do you give that too? As well?
You know what this particular episode, surprisingly, I don't have
a timeout person. No one made me feel like you
didn't go sit in a corner child. Nobody made me
feel like that. No one made me feel like that
this particular episode. And my gold star I have two

(03:42):
people actually three, but like one is like, okay, so
who are the three contenders? And then tell us who
the winners? Okaya? Oh, first of all, it's Olivia and
Harassio as a package you deal. I give them my
gold star just because they killed it this season. They
killed it this and when TJ told them that they

(04:02):
were going to the final the look on their faces
after all that they had to go through, constantly being
put in there and showing that look, I can do this.
I'm here to fight, I'm here to play, I'm here
to win. And then finally getting the opportunity to compete
with these heavy hitter Challenge legends. You know what I
mean in a final. I think it's just the amazing
rookie story for them. Now, this one is gonna blow

(04:24):
y'all mind. Okay, y'all know I have since I got baptized,
since I've been delivered, I've developed a soft spot for
I've become real sensitive and I don't really like it,
but it's there. Right, I've become real EXPLUSI and so
my gold star this week goes to Bessie. Here's why.

(04:44):
You know what? Okay, please explain, Please explain your case.
Here's why. When him and Mariah were eliminated, right, he
says in his confessional, I couldn't have made it this
far without her. Now, the when when he said that,
and how he said it, the tone in his voice,
and just looking in his face, I felt that there

(05:05):
was a sense of sincerity there, and I felt like
he really got it at that point that he needed
her and she was the reason he got as far
as he did, even like saying he's so proud of
her and calling her a champ and how he was
hyping her up. Devin is giving me all the faces
right now, y'all, But it really touched my little heart
to hear him speak of her that way because it's

(05:25):
like finally, you know, and so he gets my goal star.
Those three getting my goal star this week. Speaking of touched,
you listeners are challenged, fam y'all were really touched by
a couple of weeks episodes ago with josh On there.
I have never seen more tweets, beefs, Reddit posts. You
guys really feel a type of just wild. To me,

(05:49):
it is absolutely wild. I can't say how many um
dms I got. One was from a numinum I'm probably
not saying that right. But who was happy that we
called out josh Cody lmfao on Instagram also was happy
that we called out Joshua. There was just a lot
going on in in that So wow, you guys really

(06:10):
feel a certain way about a very interesting Now, look,
I'm gonna let y'all and Davon handle that. You can
go find her on Twitter. Now we're going to talk
about my gold Stars and my time out. So for
gold Star I'd have to say, um, my nominees are
Olivia and Arassio because yeah, I mean, I mean, I

(06:34):
don't know that we've really seen this kind of showing
of a rookie rookie pair in seasons, if not ever,
like really just outstanding Anne. They come in still with
an element of grace, which I think is really the bonus,
like meaning they know they've been voted in, they know
there's a lack of loyalty, but they don't come back
with like a huge chip on their shoulder. They come

(06:55):
in ready to suit up and play, and I think
that's so good. I think that's really hard for any
of us to do. So they are my nominees for
gold Star of the Week as well as Tory and Devin.
I mean, they crushed it in the Daily Challenge, so
good I think. Ultimately though, I'm going to give it well.
And one other nominee is Nani Nani and her footwork.

(07:18):
Props of bananas for making that elimination look easy. Nanni
for really getting it done, especially with all that she
was going through at the loss of her mom, and
then you know Casey being out of the game. That
is a strong, strong woman, So all three of them.
Props to you guys, strong contenders. I think I'm gonna
have to give it to Olivia and Arassioo as my
official goat stars, you guys well deserved. And then for

(07:41):
my Time Out of the Week. Okay, I have two
nominees and one clear winner. One of my nominees is Fessie.
We'll get into that momentarily. The other nominee is Devin
for going back on his bromance with Bananas. Now I
understand why he would think that he should throw on Banas,

(08:01):
because Bananas really does pull some stricks out his sleeve
when it comes to the final, So I understand why
he's like, we can't let this man get to a final,
but it just seems a little shady. But he doesn't
do it if what we're seeing is, you know it
just but still even talking about it that like that amount.
If I were watching it back, I might feel a
type of way. But that's okay. Because he didn't win

(08:22):
the Time of the Week. Fessel won the Time of
the Week, and this is why, and kind of Mariah too,
but mainly Fessel and Maria's yes, yes, this is why.
Because the lovey dovey thing that we see at the
end where he's like, I never could have done it
without her. Boy, you're lying. We know you're lying because

(08:43):
we've seen her other interviews and now we've seen what's
been happening on social media also and even Mariah being
like he's so great and wonderful. Like I get he
was standing right there, but you know you didn't like
him anymore, Like you know at that point you already
said he was being mean to you in the house,
like both of y'all lack consists, didn see and for
that reason, you need to go sit in the corner
and think about what you've done. I rolled my eyes

(09:05):
so hard I almost got a headache when I watched
that piece of them being like, oh, I couldn't have
gotten as far with out. It's the perfect team. I'm
so proud. But also let it be known, put it
on the record, Okay. Bessie keeps wanting to say after
the show right that he brought Mariah on, that she
owes him. That was also Josh's terrible, but argument, but

(09:25):
his was an argument that like, he created this opportunity
for Mariah. However, Bessie, out of his own mouth, says,
I wouldn't have gotten this far without you, So, in
my opinion, that cancels it out. You can't keep holding
over her head that you're the reason she's on the
show when she's the reason we're behind. Wasn't cut in
episode three. Okay, that's all I'm gonna say. So therefore

(09:46):
you get to sit out time out in the corner.
I have no real feelings about it. I'm not passionate,
if you can tell um. Overall though, just a mess.
See this is why she's friends like Josh is now
this episode, You guys, we've been waiting for it. We've
had questions all season for this person. Okay, we know

(10:09):
she too illicit strong emotion from some of you. Tory
Elizabeth Anne, Okay, that's not her real middle to deal
is the guest on today's episode. And let me just
tell you this little thing about Tory. Okay, I know
that in the past, she may not have always made
the best challenge game moves, and some people didn't like
her for that. Some people, you know, may have thought

(10:31):
she was manipula or whatever. But I've met a lot
of people in my lifetime. I've interviewed a lot of
people in my lifetime, and Tori is one of the
most genuine people I have ever met. When I met
her for the first time to do an interview is
the first time I'd ever actually met her. We were
doing an aftermath and we were talking about the reunion
that was like coming up or something, and she was like,

(10:51):
you know, I think you're so great. She's like, I
really would love it if you hosted the reader like
I think you know, me and a bunch of challengers
think you should host the reunion. And I was like, oh,
that's really sweet. She's like, you know, you know we
were I have the people that I've spoken to and
the reunions in the past, is what Tory was saying.
She's like, let me get you in contact. That was
so sweet of her. We had only just met, and
think of all the people you meet in your life

(11:12):
who tell you things like I'm rooting for you or
oh I want to help you out, but then don't
do it. Tori pulled up her phone right then and
there and said, let me send you this message. This
is who you should at least try and talk to,
because I think you should do You should host three
years And that was just so sweet. She didn't have
to do that. That is a genuine person. That is
a genuine person who's true and true, and so I'm
excited for those of you who haven't seen that side

(11:34):
of it to get to see that side of it
with her. You know, we asked the questions, even though
we love her, were gonna be nosy. So you know,
Dayvon and I ask her on the questions you've been
wanting to know. Okay, about the terrorist comment, about where
the relationship stands, now, about anything else that happened in
the house regarding her and Jordan that we didn't see,
and she answers at all. She doesn't hold back. So

(11:56):
this is going to be an episode to listen to Bookmarket,
listen to it over and over, clean the house to it,
tell your friends, do whatever. But you're not gonna want
to miss it. So we're gonna go to commercial breakfully quick,
grab us Nat, get nice and cozy and comfy, and
get ready for this amazing interview with Tory. Deal right
after this, I sort of want to start singing Miss

(12:28):
America now that she's back. I don't know why. I
don't know. It's sort of like I forgot what the
movie with Sandra Bullo kids, but it sort of references
to that. But either way, yes, one of my favorites back.
She is here. We have missed her, so we have
done our best to keep her spirit alive. And yes
we have read the comments where y'all are like, where

(12:48):
is Tory. She is here. She's booked and busy, had
a lot of things going on. She is still our
co host and sister in the podcast, but today she
ain't co hosting nothing. He being an interview because she's
a hot seat. Welcome to Oh guys, thank you so
much for having me. I'm so happy to be back.
I missed you guys so much. Thank you for holding
it down. You guys have been doing an incredible job.

(13:11):
No matter how fast you talk, you have been absolutely no.
You guys have been crushing it really so I'm just
happy to be back. Thank you so much. We are
super excited to have you here, not just because we
love you and you are a co host, but also because, girl,
there have been story right day, storyline after storyline about

(13:32):
Tori this season. You are v it girl. This season
the topic of discussion is you, and honestly, I'm glad
you're here because there are a lot of questions that
we have that only you can answer. Like we were
trying to pick Anissa, but she's not you. She's close
to you, but she's not you. We can't pick Jordan,
where are you Jordan? We can't him, And so it's

(13:52):
like there are only things that you can answer, and
so I'm so glad to have you here so you
can share your truth. Oh, thank you. Yeah, thanks for
holding space for me. And I know you guys are
relentless but also but also genuine, So I trust that
this is gonna be you know, nice and relaxing. You know,
our question I don't know about relaxing, but by the end,

(14:13):
our questions come from a genuinely good and place and
so so it's really us just wanting to know, trying
to ask what our listeners would ask. And you know,
I see the d ms from them. I know that
they're curious too, so excited to get into this episode. Also,
this was a good episode. Yeah, like this was a

(14:34):
really interesting episode. We will get into that, but first,
can we talk. So I think we're gonna yeah, we're
gonna go back and forth. Just bear with this. We're
gonna bounce around because there is so much to talk about.
I actually think since it's top of mind, let's get
into the episode first and then we will go back
and ask you some questions about you and a certain

(14:54):
someone who called your terrorist. Okay, now, so talk So
I laugh, girl, I love you, but I laughed. That
was actually hilarious as hail when he pulled that out. Um,
but let's talk about this daily. First of all, congratulations
on the wind, yes, but what exactly, like, what do

(15:15):
you think was the hardest part and what was you
all strategy for winning that? Yeah, so you know, after
we talked to everybody, obviously we won and I'm not kidding.
We probably won the whole thing within like three trips
and it was really it was really, no, it was
it was five trips, okay, because it was the amount
of sides. Okay, let me explain this. As complicated as

(15:36):
it was to watch, it was even harder to understand
and it's going to be even more difficult to try
to explain it to you. But this is basically what
we did. Each block you saw three of them. Instead
of trying to memorize one block at a time, we
memorized each side of a different block. So so we
worked on the same sides every time, which made it, Yeah,
which made it less complicated because you didn't And that

(15:58):
wasn't my strategy, I cannot you guys around. It was
Devin's strategy. Like he is. He is one of those
people when he was smart. He is, Oh, he is
so smart. That is like his best quality about being
a challenger and like the thing that he gets overlooked
for all the time. People think, oh, you know, all
these accolades, all this strength, all this endurance, but when
you have strategy, if it's locked in, you can't beat it.

(16:21):
And he is the best strategist in my opinion. Yeah,
so good. That's actually so brilliant, Davon. Do you think
you would have thought of that? Like, that's actually because
it would simplifies it because what we saw on the
clip right where people getting confused. They'd be like, wait,
this one's pointing which side, and then this thing's pointing
this side, and they seem to be thrown off by
that day. Do you think you would have thought of
that in the moment, would have made it pass the

(16:42):
water let's just dig hey, because that would have been
I would have made it. Josh would have been like okay,
So Davon, I'd have been like, what what better? What
side I'd have been like, Jos, why don't you just
run both and like talk to yourself to do it?
Like it looks like it was a freezing cold. I
do want to add what was it? What was the
weather like that day? Was it hot or was cold too? No,

(17:04):
it was definitely like you see us every single night
were bundled up. During the day, it was a little
bit warmer, but like it's like a pretty it's it's
like a fall day, and a lot of us were sick,
like you can't really see it, but like I think
I had really bad diarrhea that day, Like okay, I'm
really sorry. I'm telling you. Every time I saw Victorious

(17:26):
a diarhia conversation. So I was like, I don't know, man,
like I was not and I wasn't the only one,
Like there was something going around. We were not okay,
so um yeah, to go in a nice bath, like
I think you hear me say it in my OTF.
I'm like, you know, this is really not what anybody
wanted to do today. But you know, once that TJ
blows at horn, you don't think you go. So did

(17:48):
it help your diarrhea? Like, you know what the wind set?
Surely did, the wind actually did. Yeah, I was feeling better.
I like, and how long were you guys? Do you
think you guys were actually sitting each time that you
were submerged in the ice bath, like doing your new side.
How long because obviously, because they can't play the whole

(18:10):
thing and editing, it doesn't seem like you're sitting in
the water that long. But how long do you think
you guys were actually in I think less than thirty seconds? Okay,
it depends. Like me and Devon were in and out,
like the communication, we knew what He didn't have to
explain to me what side we were working on because
we had it all mapped out immediately, So I think

(18:31):
that saved us time. But some people were definitely in
there for at least a minute. Yeah, you can't create
the blueprint in the ice water. You have to do
it before. Yeah, it's that point. And we could see
a lot of people were in the water trying to strategize,
Like he was chilling in that water. Bessie had his
arms up like he was in a lazy boy chair
on the show. Too. They were real comfortable in the
water too. Yeah. Yeah, I know we're celebrating your wind,

(18:56):
but I do want to take a moment to honor
our sister, miss Anissa, because she won back to back
and I know that's your bess friend. How did that
feel seeing her with the back to back wins, Dude, incredible? Like,
and you hear her have that opening conversation with Jordan
and talking about like she feels this is her redemption season.
People count her out all the time, and when Jordan

(19:19):
and her were talking and they said, I don't think
there's any team that would want to see us down
there on the sand. I firmly believe that Anissa has
taken out champ Over champ Over, like Casey is a champ,
Amber was a champ Like these are people that she's
incredible competitors that she's won, and Jordan is obviously, I mean,
we already know he's one of the greatest. So yeah,
I think that they're incredible team. I love. I love

(19:41):
that for her. I'm so happy for her and I too.
I love the communication between you and Devon. However, I
do want to know why is it that when he
brought up the idea of throwing in bananas. You were hesitant.
Why wasn't that a situation for you? Yeah, because, like
I get it, Bananas is a seven time champ. I'm
also really close with Nannie and that didn't feel right

(20:04):
to me. But also aside from relationships, let's just talk
about the minifinal. Like, Devin and I were the second
place team in the minifinal, and we were so far
behind Fessie and Mariah, like so far every other team.
We were like, okay, we could see them, we know
where they are. We were at the last checkpoint and
Fessie and Mariah were finished. So if I'm just focusing

(20:25):
on strategy alone and I want to win, then what
am I talking about? Yeah? I get that. It seemed
too like do you really believe that? Because I feel
like the editors were trying to psych us out. Also
shout out to the editors for a couple of the
shady things that they did. Just got to do a rundown,
which is great. I love seeing the evolution of the
love story between Bananas and Devine and you know, writing

(20:50):
notes and laughing. It was like a nineteen seventies sitcom montage.
I also loved the evolution of the titles of Wes
on his call with Devi and I believe you know,
he was initially described as Banana's best friend ever, then
Banana's life coach, and then at the end they labeled
him scumbag. So just that was all throughout that call.

(21:12):
Go back and rewatch it but hilarious shout out to
that love them. But do you think when we saw
you in deliberation dressed like some power couple whose kid
attended a wealthy private school. I mean, you guys were
giving straight mom and dad vibes in a beautiful I mean,
the cheekbones were popping. Love the hair may ask you

(21:34):
to do my wedding hair now, we'll talk about it later.
And Devin in a suit and a blazer amazing. But
y'all definitely gave mom and dad vibes. But in that moment,
did you really think that Devin was potentially going to
turn on his now bestie or you know, challenge lover
Bananas like or was that just kind of game? No?

(21:58):
I think, like, and like, what after everybody left the
room in deliberation, we all we sit there and we
talk again, right, And I was genuine when I was
like telling him, I feel like, I don't know, I
believe you every time you talk, So what time are
you being honest? Like when in and so I think
that like he was probably processing it too, and so

(22:20):
as he's he's still figuring it out. In my mind,
I'm thinking, is obvious, we're going to go FESSI Mariah.
But the fact that he's still calculating everything, I mean,
that's just the way he plays the game. He really
does want to like go down every possibility to decide
what he thinks is going to be the best. But yeah,
I mean, he's one of those people when he talks,
you just like I just believe him. And Also, we

(22:42):
totally looked like newscasters and literally before we even did
our intro to to interview everybody, we were acting like
we did an entire fake newscast. So I'm just bummed.
I'm bummed that they didn't put that in there. I mean,
i'd say very stylish newscasters say, if anything, think that
was the cheap glove was extra for NEWSCASTI Um, it's

(23:04):
interesting you say that every time Devin talks you believe him.
And because you guys are really really close, you guys
share a duck together, you co parent, and you guys
have expressed that you really are ride or Die friends.
So is it that he's just constantly joking around? Like
because you know, usually when people think of like bestie's
close friends, it's kind of like sometimes they even say

(23:25):
like almost like telepathy, right, like you know, kind of
just like where their head is, what they're thinking. And
it sounds like for you, even as close as you
are with Devin, you're kind of forever like okay, what
are you wait? What is this move? Where are you joking?
Are you being serious? So is it that he jokes
around a lot? Is it that he changes his mind
a lot? What do you think it is? No? I
think that like he I think like, okay, like what

(23:48):
what's said on the phone call. I think Devin will
do whatever is in his best interest, right um, And
that's the way everybody should play the game. So I
don't fault anybody who's played it like that against me either,
because you're playing for a lot of money. But I
do think that like sometimes when he's trying to figure
out what is the best scenario, like he'll he'll put

(24:10):
up ideas that like I would just never be okay
with like I would not be okay with saying Naughty's name,
and the fact that he genuinely was like, I want
to take out bananas potentially, I'm like, I have to
now live out that scenario too, right, it was, so
I just, yeah, it took us a minute to like
finally come to our groove. But I don't know if
you want a little bit of tea. But girl, hello,

(24:33):
you know how we do things here. You're probably family. Yes,
our decision was made obviously based on performance alone, but
it wasn't just that if it came to our attention
that if Fessie and Mariah were in power, they were
going to say our name. And Olivia told us that
because Olivia heard it from Maria. So the whole thing

(24:54):
kind of yeah, And I love Olivia. I don't mean
to like throw like she played at a fantastic game.
Like you're supposed, absolutely, you're supposed to disclose certain information
if it's you, if if if you just met somebody,
you just met somebody, if you've been friends with somebody
for a long time. I don't know, maybe it's a
little different, But when you're playing a game for the
first time. In my opinion, this close, all bets are off.
So yeah, she kind of made it easier for us

(25:16):
to be like okay, and we actually had to sit
down conversation Devin, Fessi, Mariah and I and we talked
to Fessi. We were like, we're gonna throw you guys
in because if you guys had power, you would throw
us in. And they were like, I mean like, they
didn't say no, they didn't. Yeah, they didn't. Yeah. So
I'm like, okay, so what are we talking about here? Like,
did Banana's ever find out that his lover, I mean,

(25:37):
he had two lovers in the house obviously, Maria and Devin.
I wonder if he was cooking breakfast for Devin too.
If not, Devin should definitely complain about that. But did
Banana's ever find out that Devin was really considering putting
him in at any point? Or is that is he
gonna find out now? Right? I think I think he
just found out. Yeah, okay, But the whole plan, it

(26:00):
was amazingly executed, right, it worked out perfect, right, he said,
in two big teams. With the situation with Anissa and Olivia,
the conversations that they were having, I do want to know?
Because Devin is so calculated and you guys are partners
and Anisa is your best friend, did you too have
a hand in that? So actually, if Anisa pulled the dagger,

(26:23):
she wasn't going to save Olivia. She was going to
save Nannie. Yeah, and yeah that's a fact for sure.
Did Olivia know that? I don't think. I mean, Olivia
came up to me and you know, she asked me like, um,
you know, we're going to save them, Like you see
this Rossio and Olivia conversation where Rossio was like, Okay,
well you know obviously it's Tori and Devin are gonna

(26:44):
want to save Anissa in Jordans. So if we say
we're going to protect them, maybe we get them to
tell a Nisa and George, which is smart, Yeah, which
is totally smart. But I told Olivia straight up, I'm like, dude,
you're competing against years of friendship, Like it's just not
going to happen. And so yeah, I mean Anissa and
Jordan we're going to save Naannia bananas for sure. Wow. Yeah,

(27:04):
yeah that's good. I mean, but I feel like Olivia
would have forgiven her though for all those times she
forgave Nelson, you know, I mean, I'm just saying. I
mean she wasn't. She seemed very forgiving. I feel like
she would have forgiven Anissa, but came down to that
before did snuggling and rubbing her down though, So I
mean it's a difference for that. We saw that we
saw Okay, we did see that tight lean in. We

(27:26):
saw a lean in when they were out at the club, okay,
in a slow face touch. And also if you wind
it back, there was a moment that Anissa was posted
up behind somebody's behind that was jiggling. Now I couldn't
fully identify who's behind it was, but when I looked,
it seemed like I sound like my father right now
a way, it seemed like it was Olivia that was

(27:47):
working on a Nissa, so one could say that they
too had a bond. I think it was. But wait,
it was you working in? Was me? Like? Okay, dud
we remember throwing it back and seeing any throwing it back,
not Yes, we do need to make this podcast visual,
all right, Yes, just throw it back now. I like

(28:09):
that You're not asking a circle um back, but a
lot going on. Just when I thought Harassio's hair was
the sexiest thing about this show. No, it is Tory
throwing it back on Anissa. Oh, I will say Anissa
has that effect on people, like I feel like there
is something about Anisa. We almost foe made out on

(28:30):
free agents. They play like a two second glimpse of it,
thankfully for my parents' sake. Um, but she has she
has like a bibe magnetic, which is so great. Okay,
so now let's get to this elimination. When you walk
up and you see it, what are your thoughts elevator? Honestly,

(28:53):
I mean, you know, it's obviously climbing, it's high, there's ropes,
but yeah, I didn't realize, you know that those beams
that you use weren't actually going to be secured in
and you kind of see me have that or you
hear me have that realization, like they slip out so easily.
So yeah, I mean that could have been I don't
even know how I would have done in that. I

(29:13):
think it looked fun initially, it looked it lasted for
like forty five minutes. And see that's where I was
going to ask you, See, I like elimination challenges like
that where you have to restart and do it again,
because I feel personally, the more you do it, the
better you get. Yeah, right with some people, right, because
I don't think that was not with somebody who were
the people you're you're you're specifying that it doesn't apply

(29:35):
to you. I wasn't really working with you, Fessie, And
I didn't want to say it because everybody thinks we
pick on FESSI, But that really wasn't working in his favor.
Now do you guys think it didn't work in his
favor because he stacked or his height or like what
do you think worked against him? I think it was weight.
I think just strictly he is. And also you could
see like Bananas had moments where once it got to

(29:56):
a certain point, Bananas really had to depend on his
flexibility and reached down and like Fessi, once he got
into like rung four, Yeah, like that lean back. I
don't know. I don't know if he had the hamstring
flexibility for it, or I don't even know what muscle required.
But well, that being that tall too, because that center
of gravity for Bessie would be harder, right because he

(30:17):
is so tall that like it shifts, whereas bananas. You know,
when he told Nanni, like, come here, jump up here,
I'm thinking he ain't got to jump that far, like
his center of gravity is lower, so that's probably an advantage, right,
I would guess. I thought her technique, Nanni's technique of
rolling the poll up as opposed to trying to pull
it and accidentally letting this slip, was Oh that's smart. Yeah,

(30:38):
she is rolling it up. That was, and then less
acknowledge her foot catch right because girl, I was like, Okay, Nannie,
I'll see you. She's bad people. She's back. She's got
some circus tricks over there. I don't know what she
in casey, I know she's one out the resume time

(31:00):
about gymnas, you know, cheerleader, all state, best friends with
Gabby Douglas whatever, like she hadn't going on my name.
All right, Before we go any further, we gotta pay
our bills, so we're gonna take a quick break, but
we'll be right back with even more tea after this.

(31:30):
I'm so proud of you for making it to the final.
I'm looking at the teams. It's stacked. Okay, how do
you feel about you and Devin up against these particular
set of people because these teams are stack stacked. Like
usually you'll have some throwaways and we're like, oh, these
people they're layups. Gut, I'm a layup too, or at

(31:54):
least that's what's been said. But it's stacked. So how
do you how how are you feeling? Um? Yeah, intimidated.
But at the same time, I'm not alone, like I'm
with Devin and I am. I compete the best when
I'm with a partner, well pretty much just when I'm
with him, because he knows how to talk to me
and he balances me out as a challenger. I'm not

(32:17):
the person that's going up to a puzzle and like
I mean, sometimes I can, but it's not my best
attribute to walk up to it and just know how
to solve it. Devin's one of those people, and so
with that being my biggest weakness, that being his biggest strength. Together,
I just feel like, Okay, you know what, if it's
for us, it's for us. I want the wind really bad.
Does the wind want me back? We're about to find out,

(32:37):
you know. That's how do we want each other? I
love mutual. I feel like that could be people's mottos
for dating, start asking yourself that what this person really bad?
Do they want me bad? Question? Um, yeah, no, that's
that's That's a really good way to look at it.
I also feel like this is one of the more
recent seasons where you you genuinely are rooting for everyone

(33:00):
in this final. You know, like there is no love loss,
even from how they've played the game this season, because
you know, you can like people and not how like
how they've played the game in that particular season or whatever.
But in this season, like all of you guys have
been great, great to watch and good, yeah, and like
good and fun to watch. So, um yeah, who other

(33:22):
than yourself, who are you rooting for to come out
number one? It's yeah, I mean it's not you know.
But then like a close second is Nannie because she
has been through everything with her mom and she's such
a fighter and I was in the house with her
the entire time, and um, obviously you root for somebody

(33:42):
that's going through something and is still be fighting an
internal challenge and an external challenge and um so yeah.
And then also Olivia and Arassio have just had a
killer season. Like honestly, it's not up to me, it's whoever,
whoever ends up winning at the end, like they deserve it. Yeah,
if they were to win, it be like the icing
on the top for their story of being rookies. Like

(34:04):
it would just like such a perfect ending for them, right,
it would be so right for sure for any Canoes,
say story purposes. And this is why I'm so attached
to this season because I love a good story. Story Wise,
any of you winning is like the perfect full circle moment.
Any of you, any of the team's winning, It's like
the perfect Like you've had a hell of a story

(34:25):
this season, Um, Jordan, Anonissa, hell of a story. Devin
has kind of been in the background this season up
until recently. You know, this episode he started to really
like show out And maybe that's a good thing because
Danny challenge you and say, we didn't really see him
to the end, you know what I mean. And so
you know, and just the whole Bananni of it all,

(34:47):
like everybody has a full Yeah. So I think you know,
anybody winning is gonna be a huge smile on on
the viewers faces. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's tough. I
don't usually root for terrorists, but I'm just kidding. Actually,
I don't arrist Let me add that note for mtdum.

(35:09):
But we are referencing the infamous moment that Jordan called
Toria terrorists and then they had the audacity, not sure
if you know this to but to name the episode
Terrorist of Love. So so they paid, they paid homage
to you in that way. But what were your thoughts
We saw the facial expression, but let's take it back.

(35:32):
What were your thoughts in that moment when you heard
that come out of his mouth? Girl, I just was
I like, was literally processing on the spot, like I
was in utter disbelief. I could not comprehend what was happening.
I'm like, there's no way because I didn't. I personally
did not think the conversation that I had with him
like should have led up to this. It felt it

(35:55):
felt like a like a obviously it was a shot,
but it hurt like the shot hit. And can you
explain your position just to clarify, because I feel like
I kind of got where you were coming from when
you were trying to get Jordan, you know, not to
say Fessie, but I know other people didn't seem to
get that, and felt like you were just leading with

(36:15):
your emotions and wanted him to like be supportive of that.
Can you clarify what was it that you were trying
to accomplish and what it was that you said to
Jordan's regarding voting for Bessie set the record straight? Sure, well,
thanks for giving this space to do it, because of
course I really want to. And so if you go
back to when we initially broke off into teams, it

(36:35):
was that challenge where we were basically haul brawl over
the water, the one where nine he got really hurt. Yes,
So this was the first challenge right after the whole
Nurse and Jordan hookup, right, and I had just blown
up on Jordan a few days prior and we really
hadn't spoken. So my team won that challenge, and so
we were in power and Jordan's name was floating around

(36:57):
and people were like, are we going to take a shot,
and I thinking about it because I was like, you
know what kind of fuck him? And then I was like,
that's petty. We have such a long history. I would
love to revive it. I'm in power right now. I
can hopefully use my relationships with people and like save him.
Let me try to make some leverage here. And so
the deal was. I talked to Fassie on my team.

(37:17):
I said, hey, listen, if we don't say Jordan's saying
this time, and I get him to agree to not
say your name if they ever went on a guy's day,
would you be down for that? And he's like, I'll
play ball. I go to Jordan's say it was a deal.
I said, do you want to play ball? And he said,
I'll play ball. And so when the time came weeks
later and they did have power and I heard it

(37:38):
was going around that Jordan was going to say Fassie's name,
I was like, let me just remind him of this
deal because I vouched for him. I'm over here trying
to in my opinion, this is just my side of
the story, right, But like I'm trying to make something
salvageable out of our relationship. So when Jordan says you're
a terrorist, I don't like people who personal I'd only

(38:01):
people who hang gameplay over personal relationships. I wanted to
be like Jordan. We don't have a personal relationship. We
don't talk outside of the show. We don't, we haven't.
We are in a point right now where we are
either going to mend everything or we're going to debt
it because I can't do I don't want to be
in this space with somebody. So obviously it was pretty extreme.

(38:23):
Like looking back on it, I could have handled the
entire thing with probably even more grace. But regardless, But
did you tell him, did you explicitly tell him, Hey,
if you do vote for Bessie, we won't be friends again.
I'll never talk to you again. I just said it
was going to affect the way I felt about him.
That's what I was trying to deby, and I think
he kind of took that like, oh, you're saying that
we're not going to be friends again. But maybe I

(38:45):
misspoke in the moment, but I didn't even do that.
I just didn't clarify enough with it was just going
to really hurt my feelings because everything what I just
told you to me makes complete sense, right that you
had vouched for him. It's a deal. Yeah, you were
brokering a deal. You were the real estate agent between
the buyer and the seller, and both parties agreed. And
then at the end you were saying, this is going

(39:06):
to have blowback on me because I'm the one who
said you would agree, because you told me you would
agree it had nothing to do with your romantic relationship. Also,
people saying like what I didn't like about that, and look,
y'all can come from me in the DM's about sticking
up for Tori. But I stand on it. I said
what I said in the words of nine Leaks, and
I stand on it. Whenever I think whatever I personally

(39:29):
see to be right in that moment, I it. You know,
Jordan trying to say, like, oh, you can't manipulate personal
relationships in the game. That is literally a part of
the challenge, even when you're doing so unintentionally. How many
times have you heard us say on this pocket Anissa
and Torre or best friends, they also do the podcast together.

(39:50):
They're not going to bote each other in regardless of
if they think their competition because they're best friends, we
are podcast sisters. If I ever went back, won't happen.
But if I ever did, I'd expect them to have
a certain level of grace and not because we have relationships,
So like, yeah, see, you can't help that is a
part of what it is. Unless David start going to
sound crazy. Thing, you know, sometimes you gotta do what

(40:10):
you like, though, is that he gets inciting something because
she's definitely coming back. Tori. We talked about this two
episodes ago. All he has said, you remember said like
I do I listen. Yeah, she's coming back. Um so yeah,
just hopefully not with Josh's a partner, because he got
my d MS blown up from that interview. We'll talk

(40:31):
about that anyway. Um So, I so him trying to
make it seem like it was just about you are
being selfish, or making it about you didn't sit right
and the words in the words of Nellie t he
used me as the escaped goat, you know, I for
the record. For the record, I don't know if he

(40:52):
actually said that. Somebody just said he said that once,
so I probably did, but I don't. I don't just
make his own dictionary. I hate should and then and
then sell that merch. Nelson, I'm gonna have to d
M him about that and sell the merch, make it
and then sell them. When he was on the podcast,
he said it was a pivolement him. I love him
so much. They need to make just like one of

(41:14):
those plush teddy bears, something where you squeeze it and
it says something. It would be one of Nelson's phrases
and Nellie's lightly yes exactly a Nelly is Mum, we
want to cut though Nelson because this was our idea. Um,
so I want more than a dollar. How else was
because a lot. I know it's been a while we've
moved past in the episodes, but um, a lot was

(41:37):
happening regarding your relationship with Jordan in that house. It
just seemed super super yeah, super messy. What were some
things we didn't get to see that played a role
in the drama. Yeah, this is a really good question
because there was actually a pivocal moment here we go

(41:59):
in the Getting actually when Jordan and I, um, okay,
right before him and Maurice cuddle at movie night, right
before that happens, So Jordan was basically talking to people
about how he feels on edge about Devin. This is
when Devin and I were still partners. So I go
up to Jordan and the kitchen and I'm like, hey, listen, like,

(42:19):
can we all talk and get on the same page.
And Jordan was eating and he didn't want to talk
in that moment, and I'm pretty sure I said something like, okay,
well we'll talk. Like when when you're ready, can we talk?
But I think he heard me say we need to
talk right now. That's not even that's not even my character.
I'm not even like that, but I but he was
basically like very shutting me out, like no, no, and I.

(42:41):
So I got up from the table and I was like,
you know what, Jordan's fine, like, if you don't want
to talk ever about this, then whatever. Anyway, he's got
a different side to the story, but whatever, you think
what you want to think. So I walk away in
the kitchen and he goes, fine, you want to talk
right now? You want to talk right now. He goes
out into the courtyard starts screaming Evan's name at the
top of his lungs, Deavin, Davin, and I was like,

(43:04):
what the fuck is happening. Devin runs out, He's like,
is everything okay? And Easter runs out, She's like, what's
going on? The four of us are in the kitchen.
They're trying to de escalate the situation because now it's
just a full blown screaming match between Jordan and I.
And that was the start of Jordan and I'm not talking.
So then three days go by, Jordan and I don't
talk at all. And then I think like the next day,
that's when we had like a movie night, and you know,

(43:27):
the neurising happened. So when the whole nersing happened, listen,
like anything can be talked through. Jordan and I are
great friends. Now we've we're not together, right, we can agree,
but at that point we had not even spoken. We
hadn't come to to a good we hadn't had a
good conversation about what is going on? Can we talk
to each other in a healthy way every time, every

(43:48):
single time we talked, we both got to that point. Yeah.
So yeah, that's what really blew it up. And that's
why I think like the neuries stuff was so emotional
because it was also carrying around that first argument that
really got resolved. It just kind of led into the
next situation. And then then that's what kept happening with us,
Like we never had moments where we got to sit

(44:09):
down and just like and that that actually comes out
later too. So when I'm about to choose between Rossio
and Jordan on the name that I'm going to say,
and I'm that split vote, that day, I had a
whole conversation with Jordan. Finally and we literally bawled our
eyes out to each other and we were like, can

(44:29):
we just stop doing this? And he basically said to
me he doesn't want to do it on camera, and
I was like, I totally understand. This is a really
hard place to have these conversations, but unfortunately we're here
and so we're either going to have them or we're not.
And so we we did have a conversation that that's
finally what I think brought him to that point of
saying sorry and apologizing, because because because it was that

(44:52):
was right before that I walked up to that elimination
bawling my eyes out because the conversation was literally yeah,
well because that conversation that we had was literally twenty
minutes before elimination, before we left for elimination, so he
wasn't even in the right headspace for the elimination. I
wasn't in the right headspace to be in the game.
Like it was just it was so much with this

(45:15):
emotional roller coaster that you two were on. I just
want to go back to the rest triangle of it all.
On that particular episode where you know you vote her in,
you were very adamant this is not personal this is
not personal. This is not personal. I wouldn't blame you
if it was. I wouldn't, you know what I mean.
But now hearing your backstory of the emotional roller coaster

(45:39):
that you and Jordan had been on and how she
just kind of like was a plus one to the party,
do you still stand on it was not personal or
do you want to clarify that in any way? Yeah,
I watch it back and I think, you know, I
really wanted to be bigger than my emotions in the moment,
and I wanted to be not petty, and even though
strategically it still made to throw her in, it's like, yeah,

(46:03):
a part of it, A part of it did feel
good to be, like, you know what, Like this game,
it does come down to having good relationships with people.
So yeah, I don't I don't have anything against her
personally now I really can genuinely say that, like, I'm
thankful for this entire story because it's it's led me
to a lot of healing and a lot of closure.
But um, yeah, I watched it back and I was like,

(46:23):
you know what, fuck it? Like, why why am I
trying to be so nice? Like you know you were?
I was in pain. I was sad, I was hurt,
and I was just trying to be better than I
actually felt in the moment. I have two questions for
you on that and one I love a just how
introspective that you are. Yeah, that's something that we don't
always see, and certainly not from reality TV people. Um,

(46:43):
so I love that. My two questions for you, one
is only only one is mildly petty. I think one
is our Jordan and there still talking today, And by
talking I mean cupcaking, and by cupcaking, I mean you know,
watching have a movie night. You know, I'll say this.

(47:04):
Just wait for the reunion to find out all these answers,
because there's a lot that comes out. M bro. We
watched the social media's I do okay, and we didn't
see that woman all over Johnny Okay, I've seen her
own Jordans Okay. Yeah, it's been on the social of
the media's. I've seen it. That's an interesting choice. Um.

(47:28):
My other question is something actually that Davon has brought
up before. Um, Davon just made a face. If you
guys can see the like, think of all the memes
you've ever seen of Davon and imagine that in this moment,
that is the face you just Davon should have brought
up this point, and I think there may be something

(47:48):
to it, and I just we've speculated a lot on it.
So since you're here, I'd love to get your perspective
on it. Do you think because Jordan's smart, well, everybody
knows Jordan's smart, right, Like, Jordan's not only smart, just
like in the game, but Jordan's just smart, you know.
It's like people smart, right like and perceptive and all
those things. So when he was fighting you so hard

(48:09):
in the house, particularly around like cupcaking with ne Reice,
right like, as an avid challenge watcher or even as
someone who's been in those challenge houses, it's like, we
know that the likelihood of any one of those relationships
lasting now, of course it happens, but the likelihood of
it happening, of even getting as serious as you and
Jordan wants were, it's just like a very small percentage,

(48:31):
very very very small. So anytime you're risking some major
like friendship or something that's just been built over time
for something new, it's always a little side i e. Right,
because it's like, is that really worth the risk you
and ne Reice are likely not going to keep talking.
So he was fighting hard on that and so and
I feel like Jordan's smarter than them. So then the
question became, was Jordan's sort of doing that out of

(48:51):
spite because of you all's history, maybe you and Bessie
back in the days, some of those other things. What
are you're talking on that? I mean truly, because yeah,
the way that Jordan was with me, um after Like,
so obviously Jordan and I broke up, Bessie and I
hang out months later, but I tell Jordan he saw
it on social media first, right, So to be fair,

(49:15):
it's not like I broke the news to him. I
just called him and said, just confirmed it. Wanted to confirm.
I wanted to be heard from me. I felt and
you guys had been broken up, so this wasn't like
but still obviously he felt like, you know, I smeared
it in his face. Um And I think that this
was his response. I do, and and I don't think.
I don't think that the situation, like, I don't think

(49:36):
that he was like I'm gonna pick any random girl
here and I'm gonna fuck it. Yeah, I mean, and
is beautiful. Let's not. I think it's just like the
right the right environment, the right situation. It happened, and
he instead of him being like, you know what, I'm
in a respect tory, he was like, why would I
respect her? She hasn't respected me? Fuck it, that was right.
Let me sell you like I told them. I said,
he told on himself when you two were going at it,

(49:57):
and you said, do you think it's easy for me
to see my ex all over somebody? And he said, oh,
now you see how it feels. I said, oh, this
is on purpose. Yeah, oh he's doing this on purpose.
That that was the green light from Yeah, that's what
made me feel like, oh this is intentional, like he
it's fitful, he's doing it all. Yeah, but I do
think there was a connection between him and her, but
to parade it in your face, that was very much intentional.

(50:20):
My worn Oh my god, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, why
would he respect me? You know, like he felt disrespected
by me? So an eye for an eye I think
is kind of what was served up. Yeah. Well I
love that you do our friends. Yeah, that makes me. Yeah,
tell us about the evolution of that a little bit.
Without giving away any spoilers, but just when you guys,
whenever you exit the show, Um, well, I guess you're

(50:42):
all going to the final now. So at the end
of the show, like, how did this sort of reconciliation
come to be? And exactly you say you're great friends,
but exactly what does that mean? Like what what does
your relationship really look like? Now? Well, there's definitely a
weight lifted off anybody when they make it to a final,
because the entire season you're trying to politic and to
make sure you get to this point, and then when
you get there, it's a whole different feeling. And I

(51:04):
think when you look around and the people you're there with,
if you worked with them, there's a different sense of gratitude.
So thankfully being there with him it helped to be like, Okay,
the game's over, we can breathe now, we just got
to play with our hearts out and whoever wins it.
Basically we're racing our friends from million dollars right now,
and that's kind of the mindset. But like the more
intricate details of how we are obviously will come out

(51:27):
on the reunion too. And yeah, I mean it was
just you know, the waterworks, Like, I'm just grateful that
we are where we are today. And I mean, dude,
it like I can't. I can't even believe it because
I was under the impression Jordan was never going to
come on another show if I was there. That's what
he told me before before we had like a year

(51:47):
and a half or I don't even remember, dude, it's
been so many years. But like you know, when we
actually did when we did break up, he was like, yeah,
I'm never gonna do a show with you. I don't
want to give that storyline to them. So when I
went on Rider Dies and then he pops up as
a special guest, I was like, no, which money did
this motherfucker get paid? Because right, nope, he said he
would never do this, you know, so obviously it was

(52:10):
it was the visit that I never wanted, but I
definitely need it. So I'm thankful. Yeah, I should name
the podcast this episode that they're not going to do it.
I love that the visit I never wanted that I
definitely needed. Um. Okay, so it's heartwarming that we thank
you for clearing that up. Now we want to get

(52:31):
clarification on something else. You know how this goes. We
have a game for you because we love games. I
love games, and especially for you. This time it's gonna
be Pictionary like on the Aftermath. I'm just kidding it.
They were terrible at that game. If you haven't seen it,
go back and just look at the challenge you to.
They were always so terrible. Um, but we do have

(52:52):
a game for you. We have three questions for you
about your partner aka boy Devin. Um. Since you say
that you arrived dies, now we're gonna have you prove it.
Oh god, Davon, do you want to kick off the
first question? Absolutely so. Number one, you and Devon both

(53:13):
did chance first stars? Two? Right? What was the charity
that Devin was playing for on that season? Oh? My god,
that this is cruel. I don't know. It must have
been a really really really nice charity, though I think
ship was it a beer charity? That's a good guess.
What is something else that Devon is in particular? Even

(53:36):
yot I think we're all very he you and him,
we're all okay, calm down, no, no yourself, don't wait.
Is it when you can't read things in a certain
ig that's not Yes, he had dyslexia, dyslexic charity. No,

(53:58):
it's when someone is Davon does fit into this category. Also,
that's why there's so many means of her facial expressions.
What is it we get? We get very fun of
it on social media all the time. We're very hyper.
But because we have a background of I have no
idea why I don't. You guys are very dramatic, drama,

(54:19):
very dramatic, so theater Regamo's community theater. I didn't know that. Yes,
it makes sense now when you look at it, though,
because he is very dramatic. That's why he likes big moments.
What I hadn't that girl, I don't even know him.
What I clearly not literally not. That was such an

(54:40):
unfair question? Is that beer? Like that was a good guess?
That was valid. That was if you know Devin, the
beer one is very valid. I realize like Devin and
I sometimes we can rub each other a little bit
the wrong way. However, it was all mended, and I
knew that there was a special bond there. When at
the last aftermass that we shot in studio, Devin had

(55:03):
I believe it was an additional cocktail that he and Margarita,
and he was like, here, you want mine? And I
was like, oh he offered me and during and I
know what that means to know what that means to Devin,
and from there I have loved him since. All Right,
question number two, Tori. If you didn't get that first one,
I am not hopeful. Don't hear you on this one?
Don't people try? All right? Boy, Devin spent ten days

(55:26):
doing what to prepare for spies? Lies and chicken fries
or you know, ten days doing something like straight I
don't know, I mean to I mean, was it running?
Were the most realistic righted eyes to me? Okay? I

(55:48):
to this point, how I cannot okay, wait ten days
doing Oh my god, I feel like I vaguely remember this,
but guys, these are years ago. He went on a
silent retreat. Oh he did, he did? Wow, I don't question.

(56:08):
It's a question. Mark doesn't even know bars. Oh my god,
you're gonna so you're zero for two? Okay, this is
the one, Okay, the one. I hope that they don't
have this in the final Can I just say I
hope they don't have partner trivia in the final tory,
because then we already know the results. If that's because

(56:29):
you are not doing well? All right? Final question? Is it? Okay?
Devin worked as the sales manager of what in Massachusetts?
Toria Elizabeth, Toria, elizabe not Tory Elizabeth and Elizabeth is
my sisters I don't name and as my mom really

(56:51):
literally the family. There we go. Okay, shit, fuck? Okay?
Was it? Um? Was it um? A retail store? Was it? It?
Just helped me out? Hence here, can I phone a friend?
Can I phone? Should know these things? Okay? Colin put
on speaker answers. I want to see if let's see

(57:13):
if he gets it. Colin, I'm actually going to see
if he even knows. We're gonna call. He better fucking answer.
Oh he's answering, Dave. Hey, listen, I'm on the Challenge
podcast right now, and I'm answering questions about you and
I get to phone a friend. She's cheating right now,

(57:36):
though she's cheating, right answer. This would be very embarrassing
if I didn't. Okay, wait, you got this, Devin. What's
the question again? All right? Devin? You worked as the
sales manager of what in Massachusetts? Okay? Well, first of all,
executive okay, put some respect on my name, and that

(57:58):
would be city Bury. How the fun would I know that?
A good job? Okay? Sorry. They also asked me what challenge?
What charity you wanted to dedicate your Champs First Stars
two Winnings too, and I said a beer charity, beer charity. Well,

(58:20):
actually I tried to do League Legends, but they weren't certified,
so instead I did Ugo almost Community theaternicutt. I got
it right, actually, so that's good. I did not know
you tell him? Why? No? I didn't get it fucking right,
and now everyone think it's going up this trash. All right,

(58:42):
Well I gotta go. We're gonna get back to the podcast,
all right, yeah, yeah, for the record, you got set
up miss you already. Oh that was terrible, terrible. It's
all right though. We still love you even though you
were literally zero for three. I think you done the
worst story out of everyone we pad on this season,

(59:03):
the worst. Yes, I want to show you why actually
Real Rider dies with Devin. Okay, okay, obviously I'm just
gonna have to post this on Instagram when this episode
comes out. But this is why, and this is how
you know that we don't pull up the Social Security
Oh it's a book that I have and it says

(59:25):
you've survived one hundred percent of your bad days. And
it's a picture of Devin's face. That's cute. That's cute.
Where yours? No, it's just it's like a little Chapbooks
picture book. But he's in it. Don't tell me, you
don't tell me that we're not well listen, I'm just
we know that you're right. We see how you guys work,

(59:45):
even if you know nothing about him. We see how
you guys on the episode or on the season, and
it's so lovely to watch. Is there anything else because
there's been so much to happen and we've missed you
about the season, so glad you're here. Is there anything
else before we go that you want to set the
record straight on clarify or just you know, give a

(01:00:05):
little shout out, this is your moment, take all the space. Well, honestly,
I just am at peace with everybody who's watched this
season with me and who's had my back. And I'm
just really thankful because there's so many people who have
given me the benefit of the doubt, and um yeah,
I mean, like, listen, I'm just thankful. I'm thankful it's
over and I can't wait for everybody to see the

(01:00:26):
rest of it because as you saw in that you
know teaser, there's a lot of blood in the final
I know there's a lot of you. So it's going
to be brutal. It's one hundred hours long, and it's
like it's it's like the only way out is through,
and it was truly like the gates of Hell and
we had to go through it. So I'm thankful that
it's over. And yeah, it's it's just been an insane season.

(01:00:50):
So thank you guys for holding on the podcast. This
season had the potential to be very very messy because
it was a lot of friends here this season. Yeah right,
it had would be very very messy. That you walked
away with your friendships still intact, thank you and rekindled. Yeah,
I love that for you. I think that's really really cool.
I think people are getting to see a different side,
at least I hope. I mean the dumb people won't

(01:01:11):
necessarily And it's kind of like what Harry said in
his interview, which is like if you can't realize this
is what's happening, then I don't know what to tell you,
but I think for those who maybe misunderstood you and
for maybe some of the less desirable choices you made
in past, past, past, past years, ago seasons, I'm hoping
people get to see the real Tory, the Tori that
we know, the Tory that I know. And you know,

(01:01:33):
I'll say it again, you are true and true like
just such a genuine person. So yeah, love that about you.
For those who are now Tory Elizabeth Ann fans and
weren't following you before, where can they find you on
social media? You guys can find me at Tory Underscore. Deal.

(01:01:54):
But you know I'll be on this podcast every once
in a while hopping on here with you guys, thankfully,
and yeah, I mean, just stay tuned for the rest
of the season and enjoy it. Whoa, I love it.
I love it. Thank you so much for coming on, Tori,
and we're so glad to have you back. Also, we
are definitely looking forward to the rest of this season. Yes,
thank you guys so much. Seriously, you guys are incredible

(01:02:16):
and yeah, enjoy it. That was a hell of an interview,
a great interview. I love that we got some tea

(01:02:37):
hopefully provided some clarity for people who were wondering about
that whole was she kind of trying to manipulate with
emotions thing? Hopefully you just feel like you came away
knowing a little bit more. So good for those of
you who want to know a little bit more about
my co host Rogers. Oh, yes, that is you. Where
can I find you? You guys can find me in

(01:02:59):
the Twitter straight at Dave Davon Underscore. You can find
me on Instagram island at Devon Diane Underscore. Devin, Where
can the people find you? You know, she didn't say YouTube,
but I feel like she said she was going to
start the YouTube channel back. But is in February, ma'am,
is in February. It's not, it's not. Um. You can

(01:03:21):
find me. You can go to my website Devin Simone
dot com. That's d v y N SI m o
ne dot com and they're at the bottom. You'll see
all my socials. You can find me actually on Amazon. Yes,
I have an Amazon channel. So if you go to
Devin Simone and Amazon just type that in you'll find it,
or you'll find on my website. You can find me
on Instagram that is Devin Simone, Den with the Wi

(01:03:42):
Simon with an Eye and Twitter. I do respond and
or mute people on Twitter, and though that is also
Devin Simone Den with the Wise Simone with an Eye
as well, but just go to my website. It's easier
to find everything. And shout out to the people who
have DMed us and left reviews. They've been so sweet.
I just wanted to give an extra shout out too.
I think I mentioned it earlier, but a Newmanum who

(01:04:03):
is a listener, thank you for the love. Cody s
as well, Crystal Munio, thank you as well all those
that I didn't see. I try my best, but keep
tweeting and dming. And if you liked this episode, rate
review us on Spotify or Apple podcast, I want to
shout out supporting it. Who said Davon is the whole
package on the Apple review Let's see who else. A

(01:04:27):
rad nineteen eighty nine says, I love the mix of Tori, Anissa,
Devin and Davon, which is so great. Ashley B. Jones said,
Davon and Devon are so good at this love that
so thank you guys so much for the love. Miss
World said Miss Tory are you coming back? Yes? She
is here, so thank you guys for the love. Make
sure that you tell a friend rate and your review

(01:04:49):
and Davon, who else should they tell besides just their friends?
Is there anyone else? At this point, everybody should be
able to sing along with me. Come on, Devin, you
can do it too. Here we go, say your Mamma
dad day. Okay, tell everybody chat. We're gonna work that out. Okay.
Make sure you tell everybody about this podcast and catch

(01:05:10):
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