June 7, 2022 • 55 mins
If you dream of fish, does that mean you're pregnant? Langston and guest Danielle Pinnock (CBS Ghosts) swim into this conspiracy theory and unravel what our dreams are really trying to tell us.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
But I'm like, I used to be so tight. I
was like, damn, I want to go to these sleepovers.
But my grandma she was not. She was never into
that sleepover stuff. And like, I was like, y'all have
the nerve to send me to private school. Y'all know
these white people be loving sleepovers and doing all this stuff,
and I can't go to that one. What's going on?
She was like, I don't know what's going on in
their house. I know what's going on my house. You
want to you have people come to my house? Nobody,
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I'm nobody's trying to come to our house. We don't
have cable. We got illegal cable. Nothing works at the house.
I was like, who am I trying to get to
come to the house. What's happening? Chips in your sept
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you can't tell me? Yep, yep, yep, there it is.
There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal
episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we
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ever clears his throat, he is going to sound exactly
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and if he just would would go him, he'll sound
like a like a girl from the Bronx, like like
he's back back on the block, Danny from the Bronx.
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That's what we used to call him back when I
was a kid. Anyway, I'm your host Leaves and Kerney,
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my guest today. She's so funny, so talented, an actor,
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a writer, a talented in many ways, so many ways,
and you know her specifically from the show Ghost on
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up from Ms Daniel Pinna. Thank you having me, Yeah,
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hell yeah, yeah, you know. I I try to. I
try to make them nice and warm for people. Well listen,
I'm warmed. This is good. This is good, and I'm
such a huge fan of you and the podcast. Oh
thank you. I I say so many irreverent things that
I'd never want people to feel like are tied to
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the bullshit that I'm putting out in the world, you
know what I mean. Like, whatever I'm doing, you don't
have to you don't have to be a part of that.
I'll give you a decent intro and then if you
decide to play along in it, that's on your sister.
You're trapped in this hell with me too. And shout
out to Danny Glover and on that. Give that man
a cough, drop a sath please just get him, get
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him a one were the ones the regular? Get him
or some music next. Please come on, Danny, you gotta
the allergies. They can't be all season. Danny, there's there
is a winter somewhere. You gotta clear your throat. That's
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so we can't. We can't keep riffing on Danny Glover
all day, although I would happily do that for an
entire podcast, because you came with a conspiracy theory, and
maybe it's even a we're putting a little bit of
a wider breath on how we think about conspiracy theory
in this case. But you came with I think it's
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a really interesting, exciting conspiracy theory. You said, my mama
told me, if you dream a fish, I mean someone
is pregnant. Yes, without question. My whole family is Jamaican,
so I mean we are conspiracy theorists. We love it.
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But the fish thing is a huge thing in my
family and my mom every time she dreams of fish,
a cousin is pregnant. It's wild, like literally it's wild.
And then like she'll like call people and be like,
this is the day, date and time I dreamed of it,
write it down, and then sure enough a month later, boom,
somebody's pregners. It's quite so your mom in this case,
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your mom specifically is the fish whisperer. She is the
She's the one that's that's the key to everybody's fish
omens exactly exactly. She's wild. I mean, she's a seer.
She definitely is a prophet in her own mind. So
shout out to mom. I love you know very It's
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I would say, more rare than I would even expect
on this show. Are people actually giving us conspiracy theories
their mother told them or their mothers are putting out
in the world. So this is is very exciting a
lot of times in the barbershop that said, and we
gotta follow that train, you know what I mean. No,
this is definitely something that's been passed down in my family.
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And yeah, I do. I kind of believe it. Nobody's
dreamed of fish for me yet. And I'm like, thank you.
Let me continue to get my ghost checks, my student loans.
Don't dream of no, damn Sam. And I'm good as
a as a recent father, I can assure you it
does change the way those checks cut up and and
the doing that check. And you know what I mean,
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enjoy the prophet you're making from CBS. Yeah, I got
a couple more things I gotta fix up, finished off
paying my suit and loans, and you know, just enjoying
having coins for the first time. I love that. Let
me ask you this question because you're you're saying your
mom has these dreams and then and she's had a
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multiple times for you said cousins that ended up pregnant.
So she has the dream, does she then like, first
thing in the morning, call them and be like, yo, pregnant. Well,
the Caribbean thing really is in a call. It's a WhatsApp.
So she's all her biblical scripture of the morning with
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Jesus and the cross glowing um. And then she'll be like, look,
I just had a dream of fish. Christine is about
to be pregnant. Get ready. And we were like okay,
but my aunts are like okay, boom, great. Everybody starts
going into like power range of form. They're like, Okay,
this is gonna happen. She's kind of like this it
on where she's like, this is happening, y'all get into formation.
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It's just her head in a window, pregnant. It's go time.
My favorite thing about What's app is uh that the
memes are are always just a skew from what everyone
else is doing on every other app. So my mom
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lives in Ghana and almost exclusively uses What'sapp and it's
the same ship we got, but there's something a little
funked up about it, and you're like, it's like when
you know those games where they'll be like spot what's
wrong in this picture and it's like, Oh, that's what's
that memes? That's I wish HBO would do a documentary
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on these people who are making these memes for WhatsApp
because they are so specific, like who's doing all of
these religious memes? Like they're putting the time into it
in photoshop. It's like it's like, Wow, one wife of
a pastor learned basic photoshop and was like, I got it.
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I'm gonna take care of is on campa. She's on
the campa and really she's getting it in on camera
and shout out to her. She works ALLRD okay, so
your mom is sending people into action she she calls them.
Is there ever a point that that someone has been
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at all resentful of the phone call where they were like, Hey,
don't call me, don't call me with that ship. They
leave me, leave me the funk alone with these not
because you know what the thing is, It's like Caribbean moms.
All they want is grandkids, like literally that is their
whole lot in life. Like, my mom comes from a
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huge family. She has twelve brothers and sisters. Okay, and
everybody ever got pregnant everybody, Yes, I have how many
cousins and even cousins I probably don't even know about,
and like I grew up as an only child, but
like the block was hot with Auntie's so it was
just like we were one big family. And yeah, I know,
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like everybody's just happy to be pregnant. I think, to
be honest, I'm the only one that's like because I'm
in the arts and like in the entertainment industry where
I'm like, hold on now, wait wait, So I'm so
happy my my cousins have kids. So the attention, the
spotlight is on them right now, but cousins, the attention
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it can be spread out over many decades to make
sure that you no longer you are never the focal
point of this whole thing exactly. I'm scared though, because
my grandmother actually called my mom two weeks ago and
was like, I think Danielle is about to have a son.
She's like write the day down. I had a dream
it wasn't a fish. She had actually a dream of
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the actual child and me and labor and she was like,
it's a boy. See these Jamaicans. I'm trying to tell you.
It's just it's always something. It's always something. As somebody
who grew up strictly African American, a lot of that
should be scaring me, where it's like, not I got
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a service, like a type of like ancestry and sort
of like rules that don't exist for us, you know
what I mean. I used to hate when I was
like in middle school of high school, when I'll try
to go to sleepover and I'd be like, all right,
I'm about to go, and my mom be like I
had a dream, You're staying home and I'm like doing nothing.
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She'd like, stay home, stay home, and nothing was happening
in the day I'll sleep over. There was there ever
a point where like your mom would stay home and
then it was like a final destination thing where like
a house fell on the girls that were sleeping on nothing.
They were there watching cruel into engines like that was
literally all that was happening. That was it, That was it.
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It's also one of those things where it's like, basically,
you are now being tasked with the ability to prove
her dream wrong. And it's like, I wasn't even there
for whatever you're you know what I mean, I'm not
in your brand. I can't prove nothing that you're saying wrong.
I'm I'm exactly exactly. Yo. My family used to be
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so oh d Like I just wanted to do normal
things like where juicy couture and paint my nails, but
they had me looking like Maxine Waters and Steve Harvey's
child and he's like Burlinton Co Factory three piece suits
with a pocket square, Like I used to look so
crazy in school coming up and I was just like,
what's the point. What's the point? Damn? So at any point,
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because I feel like you have to have at least
addressed this with your mom to be like, Yo, what
was up with the pocket squares in the in the
shoulder pads? Like what was happening? Has she? Has she
ever been like, Yo, You're right, I was bugging. I
shouldn't have done that to you. No, because people are dramatic, right,
so when they see dress code, they're like, boom, Sunday's
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best And I was like, that's not what it means.
We could just do a nice little skirt and a
little card. Again, it doesn't need to be all that.
My grandma when she saw dress code, she was like
she about to be sharp, but I'm like, Grandma, I
look crazy. Why are we shopping at Land's And when
I'm nine years they're literally not even making these clothes
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for me. This is literally in the limited like school suits.
My mom us say, Hemmy, I don't know if y'all
know this store, but Annie says, which was like a
store exclusively for suits. It was literally if you were
a lawyer, that's where you went if you wanted to discount.
So you went to Andy says, And my mom would
get the two for one, she would get one for
her on one for me, And I'll be like, why
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are we matching? This shouldn't. Yes, not only should you
not be putting me in a suit, but but to
make me wear the same suit as you is maybe
the rudest thing any human could possibly due to a child.
We looked like the Caribbean version of Twins. Like I
was clearly Danny to be like, I looked a mess,
and I was like, I look like a freaking district
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attorney at ten years old. Y'all are playing me. I'm
trying to get a boyfriend. I'm trying to have crushes.
I'm not gonna get no crushes at kickball in panty
holes and a slip. It's not happening. I will say
that that I'm sorry that that happened to you. I
hope that that you have fully recovered. It is giving
me some idea of what I planned to do to
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my own daughter, uh, in preparation for any point where
she starts to become attracted to the opposite sector, any sex. Frankly,
I don't want her to find joy ever. So na
matching suits. Yeah, you're gonna me and her, We're gonna
be both dressed like Detroit red walking around, you know
what I mean, just just looking red, diculous, big old zos. Listen,
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don't do that, her, Please, don't do that. Don't do it.
Don't We're gonna have big zoot suits and fedoras and
pocket watches and that's gonna be our style. Dear God,
help send help police. Like I I got you exactly
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hate it, hated it so so. Your mom. Your mom
is a dreamer of sorts. Your grandmother it sounds like
has has a little bit of the same energy. Did
you at all absorb some of this? Did you ever
become a little bit of a seer? You know? Hilariously, Yes,
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I have incredible moments of deja vu. And what I
started actually doing in the Endemic is writing some of
the dreams down and like I would like things would happen.
Like I definitely had a dream ten years before I
met my husband, and I was just like, oh, I
just think this is like so stupid because my husband
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is white. He's the first white person I ever dated
in my life. And I was like, this is never
going to happen. And I was like, this is clearly
just a dream and it must be because I was
listening to Justin timber Lake. There's no reason, Like I
was like, it has to me just as fault. Okay,
that was a weird dream. Who is this white man
that I'm married? There's no way. And like when I
went to school on our first date, I was like, yo,
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I think we're about to get married and he was like,
what you were about to get married? I was like
I did because this white man you walked up there,
Like I think we get married? You know. I was like,
I think we're about to get married, and I was like,
I was like, I don't want to get married. But
I had this dream and you look just like this
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guy in the dream, and he was laughing so hard,
and I was like, thank god, he doesn't think I'm
like out of my mind. And then sure enough, two
and a half years later, marriage, Damn, I thought say,
And sure enough I was out of my mind. And
that's how I ended up here. I was crazy as
a souper sandwich the whole time. Exactly, exactly. No, I
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think truly if my wife would my wife would have
come up to me and been like, I think we're
gonna get married, I'd be like, all right, well this
has been a lovely chance. I'll cherish this bond forever,
but I'm going elsewhere with my introduces goodbye. So it
sounds like you met the perfect person for you. Yeah,
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he's any just like me. We're a bag of tricks
in real time. Hell yeah? Is he at all nervous
about about your grandmother and your mother foreseeing your future
in any kind of way? Does he buy into this?
Is he a leaver? He is? Now? Because you know
he's British, so they're very skeptical about everything. They see
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the glass as non existent. It's not half full, it's
not it's not even there, do you know what I mean?
So um, at first he was just like, Okay, this
is weird. And then my mom, when she first met him,
had had a dream about this is this is how
deep this goes. My grandmother, like when I was sixteen
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years old, was like, you're about to marry this white
man with red hair. And I was like, you're on drugs.
I was like, you're bluffing to take your kills. Wait
a minute, that's how they get That's how they get you.
It's like you're on drugs. And then my mom had
a similar dream while I was in college, didn't tell me,
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wrote it down though, and then when she met Jack
in person, she was like, wow, that's so crazy. That's
my son in law. And never said anything, said that
to him and he was laughing, y'all are crazy. Literally
wrote it down and I had a dream about to
marry this man with red hair, and so she red
hair in her dream as well in her dream too,
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And I was like this, these are jokes, yeah, But
but poor Jack, this whole time just keeps being bombarded
with various women from your family, being like, you know
you're getting married. He's like, dog, I just met y'all.
And that's the thing for me. I never wanted to
get married. That was never my my thing. I knew
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because my mom. You know, my mom and dad they
got divorced. I said, I have no interest. I just
want to have a whole phase for the rest of
my life. That's all I wanted. And I was like,
and I can have a couple of friends. I could
go and see my boo in Brooklyn, I can see
my boo in l A. I can go to Canada,
have a boo in Canada. That was where I was
trying to live for myself. And I was like, Oh,
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this guy is so cute. It's gonna be cute for England.
It's gonna be my boo in England, and then gonna
meet my interest Alba and it's gonna be fine, right
And Yo, we got to this relationship and I was like, Yo,
this man is actually really dope, but I'm scared because
he's outside of my race and I've never done that before.
And I was like, I don't know what the expectations
are what is his family about to be? Like, I
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have an absolute fear of white women, like truly terrified.
You don't like true true, I think I'll do it,
you know, life private school. So I was like, oh,
what's his mom about to be? What's about to be?
And um? When I met his family, they were so loving.
They're a modern family. His sister is married to somebody
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from Mumbai. He got to lesbian Auntie's his mom and
dad they're they're like the like they own they own
a farm. Like it's just really it's a lot going
on in the family. So I was like, okay, yeah, okay,
I got you. You're not a mean I was like,
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it's not like it's not giving life. Get out okay,
because you know I came in there like hello, I
was like um. But like his mom, I was like,
what's talking to to me? Like what's gonna happen? I
was so freaking out every five minutes. But his mom
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is like the sweetest human being in the world. I
love his family so much, but like it was wild.
I did not know this man was going to be
my husband. I and so in that way, he was
exactly who they should have been dreaming of because not
only is he is he this red hair white man
of time, but he also is the type of person
who who legitimately could embrace some of the things that
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otherwise you might scare a different person off. Yeah, he
was just like, yo, this girl is funny, like and
I'm like, I'm telling you, like, this is wild. But
everything that I wanted in a husband, because I was
in this face in college where they were like, oh right,
what do you want down? And I was like, okay,
well I'm just gonna write what I want down and
like a partner because I'm not trying to get married.
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Everything was on that list from like plays an instrument, compassionate,
you know what I mean, Like it's in the arts,
but not an actor. You don't want to do that
just there. It is some real specific things on the list.
And like the one thing that I forgot to be
put on the list was must be black because that
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it's like I just assumed. I just assumed that the
partner was just gonna be black. And I was like, oh,
that's that's that's a given. And how white guy works.
White God gives you, gives you white men. That's how
white guy works. No, But I believe in black Jesus.
Well you don't believe enough. I played myself. Your black
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Jesus got blue eyes. Your black Jesus looks like No,
I rebuke white Jesus. Like Jesus looks like Michael Eally.
And that's how you ended up with with this white
man on you on your side. But that's okay. It's
a beautiful love story. I love it so much. And
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you know what, this is a perfect way for us
to take a break. We're gonna We're gonna be back
with more, my mama told me. And more Danielle Pinnock.
And we are back. Yeah, We're back here with more,
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Danielle Pinnock. More. My mama told me. We're still talking
about the possibility that a dream of fish implies. Tells you,
that's not an implication, motherfucker. It is a certainty that
somebody in your life is pregnant. Have you yourself ever
dreamt of fish? Is that it has fish ever come
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up in your dreams? I mean, like cravings wise, just
because I'm like breeding and I love crab legs and
like actual shrimp and stuff, like if I'm if I'm
dreaming of fish, it's like usually in a in a
like a little plastic bag occasion spice, Like, it's never
like fishual roaming and doing stuff. No, it's like I've
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had that tonight. I got you. It's it's fish sticks.
It ain't fishing exactly exactly. That's well, it's interesting you
bring that up, because I actually think that that that
segue is really nicely into some of the research that
I found. So I wanted to really unpack, right, where
does this come from? Who's who? Why? Fish? All of
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these things are really important questions for me to to understand.
And one of the things that I read is that
fish are almost universally seen as a sim of fertility
because of a number of reasons. But one of the
reasons they point to is the large amount of eggs
that they lay. Right that, like, fish have a ship
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ton of eggs, which I think implies like fertility and subsequently,
you know, the possibility of privacy being high. Wow, that's deep.
I had no clue. I didn't know that. I was like,
fish seems random as fun. But then this is the
other part that messed me up was they said that
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the the other thing that it could be is that
the fish in the dream symbolizes the fetus as a
water dwelling being, just as fishes, you know, as the
fish live inside of our watery bodies. You know what
I mean? That's wild. I mean, my thing is like,
what kind of fish do you have to dream of?
Is it like talapia? Do you know what I mean? Like?
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What is the dream like? Is it like salmon? Is
it a sore fish? Like? I just kind of want
to get are specific on, Like does the swordfish mean twins?
You know what I mean? What is the thing? What
is it? Or is it just a myriad of fish
just all chilling? You know what I mean? That's the thing.
I don't know. First of all, I don't know why
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a swordfish would be twins. But I hope that that
is the case. I hope you're a hundred percent correct
that the fish and then the sword are somehow equal
to twins. I don't I don't know the math there,
but I love it. I love it so much. What
I will say, like, how do we do this? No,
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I hear you, And there are a lot of when
you dig into some of the research, there are a
lot of different caveats that they'll say caveats that they
add to what type of fish and and what sort
of form the fish coming. That actually changes the type
of baby, changes the certainty of the child, changes the
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scumstances for the child. All of this comes into play
depending on how your dream plays out. That's amazing, Yeah,
it's it's cool. And then it starts to get a
little haunting, you know what I mean, Like, it's not
all great and and some of it because there are
other reasons that they say fish right, and I want
to get into I want to finish those before I
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get into the specifics of the others. But it does
get a little scary where it starts being like if
a fish got three eyes, then that means this, and
if a fish got half a fin, then that means
you're gonna be broken with a baby and a gonna
fall off. And it's like, all right, dog, relax, you're
your truly making my life living hell more than helping
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me comfort myself inside of these germs. I'm sure half
a fan. Oh my gosh, I need full fans. I
need full fans. I would love a fish with full fans. Dang,
I'm sure I guess this is and this is a
good question before we get into the specifics, But are
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you the type of person who sort of like lives
by these various omens? Are you? Are you a person
who looks to the stars and your your moon signs
and all the things to to make sense of your world?
Are you truly like NA be fine either way? You know,
it varies, like sometimes I'm just like, Okay, my my
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mom is being dramatic, or like these people are being
dramatic with all this stuff. But I have seen some
wild stuff. I mean, I think like when you grow
up in the church, like these prophems, some of these prophecies,
you'd be like all right, but then they become some
of them becoming true, and I'm like, wait, like I remember,
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my this is so wild bro my mom, because I
just came out this relationship and my mom was like,
you need to you need Christ in your life. We're
gonna go on a gospel cruise. And I was like,
dear God, this is the last thing. I'm sorry, hold on,
wait a minute. She was like, you you're in the
middle of a breakup. You're obviously spiraling from literally very
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difficult relationship ending, and your mom's thinking was you need
God and the only way to find God is on
a gospel cruise. Jesus. It was huh hilarious. Mind you,
B B and C. C. Winings were there and like
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all these like Kirk Franklin was there and all the
pastors and stuff like. It was kind of like this
like elite black gospel cruise. And even though I was like, yo, mom,
this is a lot, I kind of was jamming to
the concert because Kirk Franklin was stop came on. I
was like, I was like, this ain't bad. But there
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was this guy who was there that was doing prophecies,
which I was like, I can't even deal with this day.
But he has like a I'm gonna keep asking more
questions because some of this is is not easy to process.
And man, doing prophecies, do you have like a tent
set up on the deck, Like what do you mean?
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He literally was on the deck with a marker and
a dryer raised board and he was kind of like
like the like the psychic from Netflix h Tyler Henry
when he's just and scrimbles and he's like, okay, this
is how he died? Is there chest pressure? Like kind
of like that. So my mom was like, you need
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a prophecy, and I'm like, I don't want to do
this team looking man on the deck. I was like,
this man got too many curls from me to prophecy
over my life. I'm not feeling it at all. But
one of the things that he did say, which still
to this day has freaked me out. He was like,
you're gonna be in a there's there's gonna be a
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rough time globally far in your future. And are you
an actor? And I was like barely, because at that
point I was just kind of like doing little gigs
and stuff. He was like, you're gonna be an actor
on a major broadcast television show. And he was like
the title of the show. He's gonna make people nervous
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in the Christian world, but it's gonna be family friendly
and it's gonna make you a lot of money. That's
what he said. As soon as you heard a lot
of money, she was like, Praise Jesus. And then when
I booked Goes, I remember telling my family the time
of Goal, like, oh, it's called Goals. And there's this
thing in Jamaica called Duppy, which is basically basically just
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like it's a ghost but say evil. So they're like,
oh god, it's says that she's all it's all about
saith that And I was like, oh my god, I
think that man was right. I think he really. I
was like, that's crazy. And at first I was like, Yo,
this man is on drugs. I was like, there's no way.
I was like, there no way I could ever be
on TV because I was such a theater girl through
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and through, like did comedy, you know, and all that stuff.
And I never wanted to be on TV. And then
for him to say I was gonna be on TV,
I was like, he's on drugs and there's no way.
And then when I booked Ghosts, I was like, yo,
I think that proft got some jewels. Wait a minute,
I had no idea. It's so. And he kept on
doing like these little dollar sides. How are you not
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hunting down this man's church to like worship at his
at his you know what I mean? Like you you
got to be a part of whatever he's offering. Now.
I wouldn't even know where to find that man. And
Ralph's okay, I wouldn't know where to find that man.
I wouldn't even know where that man with them little
curls are I couldn't even tell you, but I remember that,
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and I remember my mom being like, write it in
your journal, and I'm like, oh my god. And I
remember finding the journal and being like he was right,
this is crazy, this is crazy, and like he was
like and yeah, he I mean, he really got very specific.
And I was shook because I never had a reading before,
and I never really I've always kind of been on
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the fence with church because I just be in church
all weekend and I was like, can I just have
a regular please? But it was like the first time
where I was like, oh, yeah, I think there's stuff
that's beyond us. I was like, I think that. I
think there is stuff beyond us that we really can't comprehend.
That's so scary and and beautiful. I think it has
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a level of like beauty too. I'm gonna look up
the Dryer Race pastor. I'm gonna see if I can
find I'm down the dry Race pastor and see if
I can find him, because I want to I want
to Prophecy read Listen. It was wild. It was wild.
It truly was. How many years are we talking in
between your dryer Race prophecy too to the booking of Ghosts.
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It was about fourteen years fuck, so he was really
down the line on that bad Boy. Yeah, yeah, that's
what he was like. It's gonna be a minute. He
was like, but there's a thing. It's a broadcast show.
And I was like, the fun is he talking a
broadcast show? I was like, Jamie Fox Show, like what
are we talking about? Like what are you? What are
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you talking about? Broad And I was like, because you know,
when you're coming from theater, you don't really know what
the TV vocabulary is. So I was like broadcast? What
is broadcast? Do you know what I mean? I was like,
what is that? Even? I was like, yo, I'm I
talking radio show. It might be like Wendy Williams like
what's going on? Yeah? I had no clue, but it
was just it was wild. Like when I booked Gohols,
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my mom was like, remember that prophet? Like, Mom, no,
I don't do this. My mom be taking because her
roll of her memory roller dads, it's serious. She remember
that prophet. And I'm like, yo, Mom, I'm dead. I'm dead.
She's so serious. But yeah, it was funny and wild there. Okay,
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so back let's we gotta go back to these goddamn fish.
And I'm sorry to say goddamn now after such a beautiful,
very Christian prophecy was shared with me. But uh, there
are others who argue, and I think this is important,
there are others who argue that the fish streams may
result and you talked about this earlier, actually may result
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from the foods you can't eat when you're pregnant. That
because of large predatory fish often carrying higher levels of mercury.
You know, tuna, stored fish, sharks, all the things that
potentially have a ship ton of mercury in them. Women
are often told to avoid them when pregnant. And the
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suggestion is that your body has a natural instinct towards
warning women even before they're aware of these restrictions. I'm sure. Yeah,
So like your body could be like, yo, you can't
you don't tuna fish. It's a warning from not eating
the tuna fish because you can't eat the tune of fish.
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I pray I don't have any dreams about shrimp. Have
to have it, that's my prayer. I have to have it,
like well, probably once every two weeks. Well to comfort
to you actually shrimp is not on the list of
high mercury. So you're good, You're fine. Yeah, I think
you can keep eating shrimp y ways. And uh, for you,
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it was protecting shrimp at all costs. Dad, I'm Dad.
That's it. Shrimp is that's it. Love it, keep loving
on shrimp. There are also other suggestions that the fish
can relate to memories from fish of your past, you
know what I mean. So our dreams in some ways
are suggested to be hidden codes for our past and
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in our deepest desires. And perhaps they're saying the fish
is merely a little bit of a puzzle piece for
your brain. So it's it's a little bit of like
a Da Vinci code sort of thing happening where you
don't know why it means what it means, but something
from your history would help you understand that this has
in fact led to some kind of pregnancy, either in
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you or around you. Sure, yeah, this is a lot
of way deeper than I thought. Oh my god. Yes,
you can make anything deep if you just if you
make a bunch of different answers to it, you can
be like, yeah, it could be any of these things.
And you're and I think that is where as we're
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talking about whether or not you buy in or don't
buy into all of like the prophecies and all the things.
This is where I struggle, Right, It's not that there
aren't moments where these amazing things happen exactly like what
you're talking about. A man with the dry race board
tells you all the things that are going to happen,
both in a a global future and your specific future,
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and then it comes true. That's fucking crazy. But then
there's a another part of me that goes, yeah, but
he told you twenty five other things that you don't
remember and that had no actual connection to anything that's
become of you. And so it just is like throwing
darts and he just it is. You'll hit it is
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it is. And that's the thing I think. I really
want to go around like I don't think I could
ever really be a psychic, but I have kind of
a spirit and a face where people can't believe me,
and I think, like, like, I think that really could be.
It's like the ultimate hustle, Like I really do think
like psychics. It's like the ultimate hustle where you can
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be like you have somebody in your life name with
the letter m am I right, and you're like, oh
my god, my uncle Michael. Yeah, that's it. That's it.
One out of six chance that I was gonna name
a letter, and we've got we most of us have
more than you know, one of the six people in
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our lives. Exactly. I gotta I got him somewhere in here, somewhere,
somewhere in it. That's the thing. Like I it's hard
because I'm also very much so on the fence with
a lot of these things. But then there are some
things where I see and I'm like, wow, that really
did happen? Do you know what I mean? Like the prophecy,
(38:24):
my mom, This just I love that your mom be
throwing she's got she'd be going, she goes in and
I'd be like, I think this is why I'm always
so skeptical, But this one actually took me out. I
was still living in her house. My mom was like
super obviously super Christian, and I remember when I lost
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my virgin my virginity, and she two weeks like literally
two weeks later, came up into my room at three
o'clock in the morning and was like, lost your virginity,
And I was like, no, I didn't. I didn't. Please,
(39:05):
please don't throw me out this house because I don't
have no money for friends. She's like, you lost your
virginity and she was like, I just had a dream.
She was like, and you lost it in the car.
She was like, I said no. I was like, I
did it. Shirley did. And she was like, and how
dare you lose it to gospel people? Oh? No, which
(39:29):
c C one is Alabaster box randomly came on in
the middle of it. To this day takes me out.
She was like, We're going to church first thing in
the morning. It was like a Tuesday. So I'm like,
why are we in church on Wednesday just to be here?
Nobody else is there. Now we're just praying together. Like
it took me down. I was gonna be all secretive
(39:53):
and there was like no evidence, there was nothing in there.
She just woke up three am. She was like, you
lost it. She was like, let me let me say
this is the fact that on that boat cruise you
didn't go up to CC windings and tell her this
story feels like a failure on your part. I'll say this,
I'm fine with you losing your virginity. I'm certainly fine
(40:15):
with you losing it in the car, who amongst us
didn't I'm even okay with CC Windings coming on, but
the fact that you didn't immediately make it your journey
to go to CC Windings and be like, you know,
I'm bone to your music. Cecie and my mama found
out in a prophecy anyway I love you. That is
(40:35):
a cold open and I ever, oh man, God, truly,
these prophecies are actually starting to get a little chilling
for me. We're gonna take a break. We'll be back
with more Danielle Penock and more. My mama told me.
(40:59):
He and we are back. How are you please help me? Yeah,
we're back here with Mary and more. My mama told me.
We're still talking about the possibility that fish fish dreams
of fish lead to pregnancy. That is the the theory
(41:24):
that is on the table, and we are digging deep
into this research. And I want to now throw you
a bunch of the examples that I found of like
specifics around the fish and what I'd love to do
with you because some of them, as I mentioned, get
very specific and very weird as you unpack them. I
would just love your thoughts, your general thoughts. As we
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go through each one, I'll lay I'll throw one your way.
You tell me what you're thinking. Is it right, is
it wrong, is it weird? Is it heartbreaking? I don't know.
You tell me what you're seeing, and if you've ever
had any experience like it, love it great. So let's
start easy. There are suggestions about the the colors of
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the fish, right. They say, if the fish you're dreaming
about is black, then it is said that you're set
to give birth to a baby boy. That's the theory,
baby boy. Black fish means baby boy, and literally any
other color is a girl. That's what I read. Oh wow,
First of all, black fish, that's this gives me real
(42:29):
edges shan gay for colud fish when the blast fish,
I'm not mad at it. Also, have you seen that
documentary about that black fish that was that was a
metal black people in real time? That's how I feel.
(42:51):
They dragged that ship fish from home, his homeland and
then put him down South for people to be umc
to look. Come. Yeah, yeah, old the big old killer
whale killer whale killer whale. Yeah. I think that was
a metaphor for black people. Yeah, it was. They snatched him,
(43:12):
brought him down south. He wouldn't accept in slavery. Uh,
lying down he was really gonna some people up on
his way out. Yeah, you know, rest in peace to
that trainer. But you know, let's say, you know rum
But yeah, I'm trying to tell you I think that
was a metaphor that time. The country really had me
(43:32):
in my feelings in real time. Okay, black fish, so
that means a boy boom, black fish means boy literally
any other color is is a girl, which feels a
little rude to women. I guess in the of it all,
it's not specific, and it's like, I want to know
what kind of woman, you know what I mean? It's
a black woman. Is a woman from the Latino culture,
South Asian women like which fish think that you think
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that the parents colors are not determ make the color
of this baby and race of this baby. It is,
in fact more the dream that decides if this nice
Asian couple is going to end up with a a
black girl baby. I'm trying to tell you, Jordan Keele
call Us, that's it, baby, Like I'm not mad at that.
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I'm not mad at it either. I think I think
we've got something here. Here's here's another one that I'd
love to hear your thoughts on. They say, if oh,
this is a scary one. They say, a dead fish
in a dream is said to be a warning of
a warning sign of something unhealthy happening to the baby,
or the baby being lost, a dead fish lost like
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but miscarriage or I was like I thought, like stolen
at the hospital. I don't think it's that, God, I
don't think the baby. I don't think the baby is
on a on an purgatory island with a smoke monster.
I think it's more Oh my god, no longer with us. Okay, Okay,
(45:12):
now I'm okay. I'm stressed, but I'm not as stressed
as the baby from the hospital. And I need to
know which fish is that isn't like mahy mahy, like
what that's the thing? Like we gotta kind of they
gotta get specific on these fish for us, so then
we can kind of make some note cards and know
in advance. Okay, salmon means this right if you you
(45:32):
know what I mean? And I do think that might
be something we could work on. Is just putting together
a chart where It's like you have pictures of various
fish that after you have the dream, you wake up,
you're like, oh God, damn it, salmon. Oh no, this
is okay. No, this is okay. Salmon's fine, this is okay. Yeah,
I would buy that. I mean, I've got anything on Amazon.
Are you kidding? The fish Diaries? I would literally combing
(45:55):
through that. Yeah, I need to know. We've got a
lot to work on. We've got this color pitch that
we're we've got going, We've got this chart for women
that are waking up with fish dreams. This is this
is a lot of tasks for us to take on,
and I I wouldn't be surprised if there are more
that we add on as we go along through this list.
I'll throw this one your way. I'd love to hear
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your thoughts on this. There they say that a salty fish,
which I didn't know what the funk that meant a
salty fish, but they said a fish with salt on
it was an option. It suggests either lasting richness or
or a fear that your child will be a burden
to you. That's it, and we have we have saltfish
(46:36):
in Jamaica. But they also couldn't they also call a bakalu.
So that's it. That's it. So you think so that
specifically is talking about saltfish and if you dream of saltfish,
and this is where it sucked me up, or at
least I had, I struggled a little bit. It's that
that or it's a big divergence in the ore. One
(46:58):
is like lastingness, like you're gonna you're gaining eternal wealth,
or your child is going to be an absolute burden
in your life, like they're not close in their meaning. Yeah,
that's seen. I'm trying to tell you that either or
will get you. That's the psychic Yes, it's literally like
(47:21):
you never know. It's literally that's the scam where it's
like it could be selfish but it could not. And
then for me who has anxiety, I'm like, what is it?
I need to know? I need to know dang selfish? Okay.
It truly will leave you stuck for a long time
being like okay, well I'm either going to be the
richest man in history or uh my kids I'm going
(47:43):
to resent them forever and always. I don't know period.
That's it. That's literally it dang, okay, come on selfish,
Come on, selfish, give me give me a good answer, selfish.
Here's here's another crazy one. Large fish. Large fish could
be positive benefits or evil lurking in your life. Yo,
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It's like, can we get a chance? Yes? Can we live?
Can we breathe? Life was good? Like evil lurking? Yeah,
these people don't know a middle ground at all. They're
not they're not hitting the middle class in any of
these conversations. That truly is just either or the most
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the best thing that could happen to you or the
worst thing that could happen to you. See, and that's
the thing. It's like the scam. It's good or bad.
You know, if you see Flounder you know what I mean?
From Little Dormaid in a dream, It's like, yes, Flounder
is about to be your best friend, So that means
your child is gonna be your best friend. But also
Flownder means that you can meet Ursula by accident. What
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which one is it? You know what I mean? Like,
I'm trying to have the best friend, but now Ersula
is lurking. This it's a scam. Now is you're gonna
steal my voice? And I'm gonna I'm gonna have to
kiss a man on the boat exactly exactly. I hate it.
I hate this scam. I don't like this. So it
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doesn't it doesn't get easier because there are also this
This additional caveat of a large fish and a small
pond is said to mean that money, money that you
are grasping for but not yet ready to reach. And
in the description they say that that when you get
this big fish in the small pond, you're often in
the dream attempting to catch the big fish but cannot
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reach it, can't catch the fish at all. See, I
need the coins when I need the coins, you know
what I mean. It's like the way Sally May is
set up. She needs her money on time credit. But
actually that's a good excuse if you think about it.
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Like Sally, I dreamed of the shark, so sorry, Yeah,
I dreamed of a shark I couldn't catch, so I
I unfortunately I will not have your three hundred dollars
this week. Apologies in advance, Apologies in advance. Be blessed.
We love you, Sally, we love you. Thanks for everything
you do for us, exactly exactly. Dang. Okay, so this
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one gets weird. There is also apparently dreams of human
looking fish that if if you're fish that you're dreaming
of either is humanoid or has a human face allah
shape of water type thing, this is said to represent
people of good character, or if they have an ugly face,
it could represent someone bad in your life. So if
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they're a beautiful, handsome fish, then it's like, oh, you've
got good people in your life. And then if they're ugly,
it means you got you got a trickster in your
in your ship. Okay, So I wake up from a
dream and the fish looks like shack, what does that
mean for me? Ugly fish? I'm gonna be honest with you,
but that's an ugly mother. It's kind of like, okay,
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like what now you gotta check all you gotta look
around and be like, who the funk amongst me? Is
also like Michael B. Jordan's He's fine, but like, you know,
a fish with a mustache that's kind of scary. I'm
not gonna hold you. Like I don't know, I truly
don't know if there's a person beautiful enough on earth
to be a fish and I'm like, yo, that's a
(51:30):
bad fish. Uh, nah, nah, well, I don't have it.
I I don't know. There's no way like a sea
bass with with a Steve Harvey mustache, Like I'm scared.
It's not good. Yeah, I agree. Good. I read this
and I was like, this seems it feels like y'all
(51:50):
are stretching here, y'all. I I don't know. Every time,
this don't feel good to me. But okay, here's the
one of the last ones. Treasure in a fish dream.
Apparently you can have a fish dream and then sometimes
there's like treasure, like a fucking like a treasure box
somewhere in the dream. And I thought that that was
gonna be like really good. But apparently that's more of
(52:14):
a struggle for power or like a recent gain in
like knowledge. So like it. It's like you're attempting to
get to get paid or get power out of some ship.
This is tough. So, like Scrooge McDuck fishes, that's not good.
It's not as good as you would think. You would
think that's gonna be pretty sweet. I don't like this.
(52:37):
I don't know who did this Google doc for um
all these fishes that did the research, but they tried
it because it's like, can't we want to be honest?
Can't we win? It feels like someone in your family
put this together, and I think you got to hold
them accountable more than no. I think it's the I
think it's the WhatsApp pastor. Pastor is that question? She
(53:01):
was like, boom, got it, ugly fish with a human face.
I'll have this trending and what's that? Exactly? Exactly? Dang,
that's hilarious. The last one that I'll share with you
is that fishing. If you are in your dream and
(53:22):
you are fishing, not not catching fish necessarily, but if
you're fishing in your dream, it is said to be
you trying to catch someone in real life, or even
confronting repressed emotions. Okay, m hmmm. So that's the burnet
brown fish. That's a therapy fish. That that fish has
(53:44):
a short blonde haircut. Okay, I'm not mad at it.
I'm not mad at it. Man. Yes, I'm telling you
vulnerability imperfection. That's that fish. Yeah, that fish has a talk,
and I'm not mad at it. You don't my deficient
dream these other ones. You are a little more opposed to.
This is what you're like. Now, I can deal with this.
(54:05):
I don't mind it. I don't mind it. Right, yeah,
this is we did it. I think these that's as
many prophecies as I think either of us can probably handle.
Could you? Could you tell the lovely people at home
where they can find you and what cool ship you
have going on? Listen, hey, lovely people. You can find
me on social media at body Courage, b O, d
(54:27):
y c O. You r a g And if you
want to laugh about, you know, the misadventures black people
go through in the industry, follow me at hashtag booked
on Instagram. Hell yeah, so yeah, dope. Follow Follow Danielle.
She's hilarious and as always or we're not as always,
I don't say it every week, but I'm gonna say
it this week. Watch Ghosts on CPS on Thursdays, and
(54:50):
you can follow me at Langston Kerman and I don't
know what I'm doing on there, but bust out causing
come on making the world a slightly worse place with
the stupid things me and my friends made. And uh,
as always, you can send us your drops, your conspiracy theories,
(55:10):
any of your your fucked up opinions on what we
have going on here at my Mama pot at gmail
dot com. I would love to hear from you. Otherwise,
that's it. Bye, bitch. My crop chips in your qual
(55:30):
bears are racist. The most money stuff I can't tell
me
But I'm like, I used to be so tight. I
was like, damn, I want to go to these sleepovers.
But my grandma she was not. She was never into
that sleepover stuff. And like, I was like, y'all have
the nerve to send me to private school. Y'all know
these white people be loving sleepovers and doing all this stuff,
and I can't go to that one. What's going on?
She was like, I don't know what's going on in
their house. I know what's going on my house. You
want to you have people come to my house? Nobody,
(00:23):
I'm nobody's trying to come to our house. We don't
have cable. We got illegal cable. Nothing works at the house.
I was like, who am I trying to get to
come to the house. What's happening? Chips in your sept
(00:52):
you can't tell me? Yep, yep, yep, there it is.
There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal
episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we
died deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories
and we finally work to prove that if Danny Glover
(01:14):
ever clears his throat, he is going to sound exactly
like Cardi b I swear to God there is a
hundred and five years of dust caughting that man's windpipe,
and if he just would would go him, he'll sound
like a like a girl from the Bronx, like like
he's back back on the block, Danny from the Bronx.
(01:35):
That's what we used to call him back when I
was a kid. Anyway, I'm your host Leaves and Kerney,
and I'm coming in hot as always making fun of
our elders. You know how I misbehave it, truly is
I'm not getting better. Folks, everybody you know, you tweet
me and you tell me you gotta fix your personality.
I say, fuck you. This is me for the rest
of my life. And I shouldn't speak to you that way.
(01:56):
You're a fan, and I should be more careful with
my fans, but I'm not. You know who is careful,
I think with her fans. You know who seems like
she's very kind and very responsible with everyone who speaks
to her, and and so far I can say with
absolute certainties, you've been nothing behind in our interactions. It's
my guest today. She's so funny, so talented, an actor,
(02:20):
a writer, a talented in many ways, so many ways,
and you know her specifically from the show Ghost on
CBS Thursdays. So talent, so goddamn talented. Please give it
up from Ms Daniel Pinna. Thank you having me, Yeah,
(02:41):
hell yeah, yeah, you know. I I try to. I
try to make them nice and warm for people. Well listen,
I'm warmed. This is good. This is good, and I'm
such a huge fan of you and the podcast. Oh
thank you. I I say so many irreverent things that
I'd never want people to feel like are tied to
(03:01):
the bullshit that I'm putting out in the world, you
know what I mean. Like, whatever I'm doing, you don't
have to you don't have to be a part of that.
I'll give you a decent intro and then if you
decide to play along in it, that's on your sister.
You're trapped in this hell with me too. And shout
out to Danny Glover and on that. Give that man
a cough, drop a sath please just get him, get
(03:24):
him a one were the ones the regular? Get him
or some music next. Please come on, Danny, you gotta
the allergies. They can't be all season. Danny, there's there
is a winter somewhere. You gotta clear your throat. That's
(03:44):
so we can't. We can't keep riffing on Danny Glover
all day, although I would happily do that for an
entire podcast, because you came with a conspiracy theory, and
maybe it's even a we're putting a little bit of
a wider breath on how we think about conspiracy theory
in this case. But you came with I think it's
(04:06):
a really interesting, exciting conspiracy theory. You said, my mama
told me, if you dream a fish, I mean someone
is pregnant. Yes, without question. My whole family is Jamaican,
so I mean we are conspiracy theorists. We love it.
(04:28):
But the fish thing is a huge thing in my
family and my mom every time she dreams of fish,
a cousin is pregnant. It's wild, like literally it's wild.
And then like she'll like call people and be like,
this is the day, date and time I dreamed of it,
write it down, and then sure enough a month later, boom,
somebody's pregners. It's quite so your mom in this case,
(04:52):
your mom specifically is the fish whisperer. She is the
She's the one that's that's the key to everybody's fish
omens exactly exactly. She's wild. I mean, she's a seer.
She definitely is a prophet in her own mind. So
shout out to mom. I love you know very It's
(05:15):
I would say, more rare than I would even expect
on this show. Are people actually giving us conspiracy theories
their mother told them or their mothers are putting out
in the world. So this is is very exciting a
lot of times in the barbershop that said, and we
gotta follow that train, you know what I mean. No,
this is definitely something that's been passed down in my family.
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And yeah, I do. I kind of believe it. Nobody's
dreamed of fish for me yet. And I'm like, thank you.
Let me continue to get my ghost checks, my student loans.
Don't dream of no, damn Sam. And I'm good as
a as a recent father, I can assure you it
does change the way those checks cut up and and
the doing that check. And you know what I mean,
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enjoy the prophet you're making from CBS. Yeah, I got
a couple more things I gotta fix up, finished off
paying my suit and loans, and you know, just enjoying
having coins for the first time. I love that. Let
me ask you this question because you're you're saying your
mom has these dreams and then and she's had a
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multiple times for you said cousins that ended up pregnant.
So she has the dream, does she then like, first
thing in the morning, call them and be like, yo, pregnant. Well,
the Caribbean thing really is in a call. It's a WhatsApp.
So she's all her biblical scripture of the morning with
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Jesus and the cross glowing um. And then she'll be like, look,
I just had a dream of fish. Christine is about
to be pregnant. Get ready. And we were like okay,
but my aunts are like okay, boom, great. Everybody starts
going into like power range of form. They're like, Okay,
this is gonna happen. She's kind of like this it
on where she's like, this is happening, y'all get into formation.
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It's just her head in a window, pregnant. It's go time.
My favorite thing about What's app is uh that the
memes are are always just a skew from what everyone
else is doing on every other app. So my mom
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lives in Ghana and almost exclusively uses What'sapp and it's
the same ship we got, but there's something a little
funked up about it, and you're like, it's like when
you know those games where they'll be like spot what's
wrong in this picture and it's like, Oh, that's what's
that memes? That's I wish HBO would do a documentary
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on these people who are making these memes for WhatsApp
because they are so specific, like who's doing all of
these religious memes? Like they're putting the time into it
in photoshop. It's like it's like, Wow, one wife of
a pastor learned basic photoshop and was like, I got it.
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I'm gonna take care of is on campa. She's on
the campa and really she's getting it in on camera
and shout out to her. She works ALLRD okay, so
your mom is sending people into action she she calls them.
Is there ever a point that that someone has been
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at all resentful of the phone call where they were like, Hey,
don't call me, don't call me with that ship. They
leave me, leave me the funk alone with these not
because you know what the thing is, It's like Caribbean moms.
All they want is grandkids, like literally that is their
whole lot in life. Like, my mom comes from a
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huge family. She has twelve brothers and sisters. Okay, and
everybody ever got pregnant everybody, Yes, I have how many
cousins and even cousins I probably don't even know about,
and like I grew up as an only child, but
like the block was hot with Auntie's so it was
just like we were one big family. And yeah, I know,
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like everybody's just happy to be pregnant. I think, to
be honest, I'm the only one that's like because I'm
in the arts and like in the entertainment industry where
I'm like, hold on now, wait wait, So I'm so
happy my my cousins have kids. So the attention, the
spotlight is on them right now, but cousins, the attention
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it can be spread out over many decades to make
sure that you no longer you are never the focal
point of this whole thing exactly. I'm scared though, because
my grandmother actually called my mom two weeks ago and
was like, I think Danielle is about to have a son.
She's like write the day down. I had a dream
it wasn't a fish. She had actually a dream of
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the actual child and me and labor and she was like,
it's a boy. See these Jamaicans. I'm trying to tell you.
It's just it's always something. It's always something. As somebody
who grew up strictly African American, a lot of that
should be scaring me, where it's like, not I got
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a service, like a type of like ancestry and sort
of like rules that don't exist for us, you know
what I mean. I used to hate when I was
like in middle school of high school, when I'll try
to go to sleepover and I'd be like, all right,
I'm about to go, and my mom be like I
had a dream, You're staying home and I'm like doing nothing.
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She'd like, stay home, stay home, and nothing was happening
in the day I'll sleep over. There was there ever
a point where like your mom would stay home and
then it was like a final destination thing where like
a house fell on the girls that were sleeping on nothing.
They were there watching cruel into engines like that was
literally all that was happening. That was it, That was it.
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It's also one of those things where it's like, basically,
you are now being tasked with the ability to prove
her dream wrong. And it's like, I wasn't even there
for whatever you're you know what I mean, I'm not
in your brand. I can't prove nothing that you're saying wrong.
I'm I'm exactly exactly. Yo. My family used to be
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so oh d Like I just wanted to do normal
things like where juicy couture and paint my nails, but
they had me looking like Maxine Waters and Steve Harvey's
child and he's like Burlinton Co Factory three piece suits
with a pocket square, Like I used to look so
crazy in school coming up and I was just like,
what's the point. What's the point? Damn? So at any point,
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because I feel like you have to have at least
addressed this with your mom to be like, Yo, what
was up with the pocket squares in the in the
shoulder pads? Like what was happening? Has she? Has she
ever been like, Yo, You're right, I was bugging. I
shouldn't have done that to you. No, because people are dramatic, right,
so when they see dress code, they're like, boom, Sunday's
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best And I was like, that's not what it means.
We could just do a nice little skirt and a
little card. Again, it doesn't need to be all that.
My grandma when she saw dress code, she was like
she about to be sharp, but I'm like, Grandma, I
look crazy. Why are we shopping at Land's And when
I'm nine years they're literally not even making these clothes
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for me. This is literally in the limited like school suits.
My mom us say, Hemmy, I don't know if y'all
know this store, but Annie says, which was like a
store exclusively for suits. It was literally if you were
a lawyer, that's where you went if you wanted to discount.
So you went to Andy says, And my mom would
get the two for one, she would get one for
her on one for me, And I'll be like, why
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are we matching? This shouldn't. Yes, not only should you
not be putting me in a suit, but but to
make me wear the same suit as you is maybe
the rudest thing any human could possibly due to a child.
We looked like the Caribbean version of Twins. Like I
was clearly Danny to be like, I looked a mess,
and I was like, I look like a freaking district
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attorney at ten years old. Y'all are playing me. I'm
trying to get a boyfriend. I'm trying to have crushes.
I'm not gonna get no crushes at kickball in panty
holes and a slip. It's not happening. I will say
that that I'm sorry that that happened to you. I
hope that that you have fully recovered. It is giving
me some idea of what I planned to do to
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my own daughter, uh, in preparation for any point where
she starts to become attracted to the opposite sector, any sex. Frankly,
I don't want her to find joy ever. So na
matching suits. Yeah, you're gonna me and her, We're gonna
be both dressed like Detroit red walking around, you know
what I mean, just just looking red, diculous, big old zos. Listen,
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don't do that, her, Please, don't do that. Don't do it.
Don't We're gonna have big zoot suits and fedoras and
pocket watches and that's gonna be our style. Dear God,
help send help police. Like I I got you exactly
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hate it, hated it so so. Your mom. Your mom
is a dreamer of sorts. Your grandmother it sounds like
has has a little bit of the same energy. Did
you at all absorb some of this? Did you ever
become a little bit of a seer? You know? Hilariously, Yes,
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I have incredible moments of deja vu. And what I
started actually doing in the Endemic is writing some of
the dreams down and like I would like things would happen.
Like I definitely had a dream ten years before I
met my husband, and I was just like, oh, I
just think this is like so stupid because my husband
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is white. He's the first white person I ever dated
in my life. And I was like, this is never
going to happen. And I was like, this is clearly
just a dream and it must be because I was
listening to Justin timber Lake. There's no reason, Like I
was like, it has to me just as fault. Okay,
that was a weird dream. Who is this white man
that I'm married? There's no way. And like when I
went to school on our first date, I was like, yo,
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I think we're about to get married and he was like,
what you were about to get married? I was like
I did because this white man you walked up there,
Like I think we get married? You know. I was like,
I think we're about to get married, and I was like,
I was like, I don't want to get married. But
I had this dream and you look just like this
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guy in the dream, and he was laughing so hard,
and I was like, thank god, he doesn't think I'm
like out of my mind. And then sure enough, two
and a half years later, marriage, Damn, I thought say,
And sure enough I was out of my mind. And
that's how I ended up here. I was crazy as
a souper sandwich the whole time. Exactly, exactly. No, I
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think truly if my wife would my wife would have
come up to me and been like, I think we're
gonna get married, I'd be like, all right, well this
has been a lovely chance. I'll cherish this bond forever,
but I'm going elsewhere with my introduces goodbye. So it
sounds like you met the perfect person for you. Yeah,
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he's any just like me. We're a bag of tricks
in real time. Hell yeah? Is he at all nervous
about about your grandmother and your mother foreseeing your future
in any kind of way? Does he buy into this?
Is he a leaver? He is? Now? Because you know
he's British, so they're very skeptical about everything. They see
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the glass as non existent. It's not half full, it's
not it's not even there, do you know what I mean?
So um, at first he was just like, Okay, this
is weird. And then my mom, when she first met him,
had had a dream about this is this is how
deep this goes. My grandmother, like when I was sixteen
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years old, was like, you're about to marry this white
man with red hair. And I was like, you're on drugs.
I was like, you're bluffing to take your kills. Wait
a minute, that's how they get That's how they get you.
It's like you're on drugs. And then my mom had
a similar dream while I was in college, didn't tell me,
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wrote it down though, and then when she met Jack
in person, she was like, wow, that's so crazy. That's
my son in law. And never said anything, said that
to him and he was laughing, y'all are crazy. Literally
wrote it down and I had a dream about to
marry this man with red hair, and so she red
hair in her dream as well in her dream too,
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And I was like this, these are jokes, yeah, But
but poor Jack, this whole time just keeps being bombarded
with various women from your family, being like, you know
you're getting married. He's like, dog, I just met y'all.
And that's the thing for me. I never wanted to
get married. That was never my my thing. I knew
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because my mom. You know, my mom and dad they
got divorced. I said, I have no interest. I just
want to have a whole phase for the rest of
my life. That's all I wanted. And I was like,
and I can have a couple of friends. I could
go and see my boo in Brooklyn, I can see
my boo in l A. I can go to Canada,
have a boo in Canada. That was where I was
trying to live for myself. And I was like, Oh,
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this guy is so cute. It's gonna be cute for England.
It's gonna be my boo in England, and then gonna
meet my interest Alba and it's gonna be fine, right
And Yo, we got to this relationship and I was like, Yo,
this man is actually really dope, but I'm scared because
he's outside of my race and I've never done that before.
And I was like, I don't know what the expectations
are what is his family about to be? Like, I
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have an absolute fear of white women, like truly terrified.
You don't like true true, I think I'll do it,
you know, life private school. So I was like, oh,
what's his mom about to be? What's about to be?
And um? When I met his family, they were so loving.
They're a modern family. His sister is married to somebody
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from Mumbai. He got to lesbian Auntie's his mom and
dad they're they're like the like they own they own
a farm. Like it's just really it's a lot going
on in the family. So I was like, okay, yeah, okay,
I got you. You're not a mean I was like,
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it's not like it's not giving life. Get out okay,
because you know I came in there like hello, I
was like um. But like his mom, I was like,
what's talking to to me? Like what's gonna happen? I
was so freaking out every five minutes. But his mom
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is like the sweetest human being in the world. I
love his family so much, but like it was wild.
I did not know this man was going to be
my husband. I and so in that way, he was
exactly who they should have been dreaming of because not
only is he is he this red hair white man
of time, but he also is the type of person
who who legitimately could embrace some of the things that
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otherwise you might scare a different person off. Yeah, he
was just like, yo, this girl is funny, like and
I'm like, I'm telling you, like, this is wild. But
everything that I wanted in a husband, because I was
in this face in college where they were like, oh right,
what do you want down? And I was like, okay,
well I'm just gonna write what I want down and
like a partner because I'm not trying to get married.
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Everything was on that list from like plays an instrument, compassionate,
you know what I mean, Like it's in the arts,
but not an actor. You don't want to do that
just there. It is some real specific things on the list.
And like the one thing that I forgot to be
put on the list was must be black because that
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it's like I just assumed. I just assumed that the
partner was just gonna be black. And I was like, oh,
that's that's that's a given. And how white guy works.
White God gives you, gives you white men. That's how
white guy works. No, But I believe in black Jesus.
Well you don't believe enough. I played myself. Your black
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Jesus got blue eyes. Your black Jesus looks like No,
I rebuke white Jesus. Like Jesus looks like Michael Eally.
And that's how you ended up with with this white
man on you on your side. But that's okay. It's
a beautiful love story. I love it so much. And
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you know what, this is a perfect way for us
to take a break. We're gonna We're gonna be back
with more, my mama told me. And more Danielle Pinnock.
And we are back. Yeah, We're back here with more,
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Danielle Pinnock. More. My mama told me. We're still talking
about the possibility that a dream of fish implies. Tells you,
that's not an implication, motherfucker. It is a certainty that
somebody in your life is pregnant. Have you yourself ever
dreamt of fish? Is that it has fish ever come
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up in your dreams? I mean, like cravings wise, just
because I'm like breeding and I love crab legs and
like actual shrimp and stuff, like if I'm if I'm
dreaming of fish, it's like usually in a in a
like a little plastic bag occasion spice, Like, it's never
like fishual roaming and doing stuff. No, it's like I've
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had that tonight. I got you. It's it's fish sticks.
It ain't fishing exactly exactly. That's well, it's interesting you
bring that up, because I actually think that that that
segue is really nicely into some of the research that
I found. So I wanted to really unpack, right, where
does this come from? Who's who? Why? Fish? All of
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these things are really important questions for me to to understand.
And one of the things that I read is that
fish are almost universally seen as a sim of fertility
because of a number of reasons. But one of the
reasons they point to is the large amount of eggs
that they lay. Right that, like, fish have a ship
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ton of eggs, which I think implies like fertility and subsequently,
you know, the possibility of privacy being high. Wow, that's deep.
I had no clue. I didn't know that. I was like,
fish seems random as fun. But then this is the
other part that messed me up was they said that
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the the other thing that it could be is that
the fish in the dream symbolizes the fetus as a
water dwelling being, just as fishes, you know, as the
fish live inside of our watery bodies. You know what
I mean? That's wild. I mean, my thing is like,
what kind of fish do you have to dream of?
Is it like talapia? Do you know what I mean? Like?
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What is the dream like? Is it like salmon? Is
it a sore fish? Like? I just kind of want
to get are specific on, Like does the swordfish mean twins?
You know what I mean? What is the thing? What
is it? Or is it just a myriad of fish
just all chilling? You know what I mean? That's the thing.
I don't know. First of all, I don't know why
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a swordfish would be twins. But I hope that that
is the case. I hope you're a hundred percent correct
that the fish and then the sword are somehow equal
to twins. I don't I don't know the math there,
but I love it. I love it so much. What
I will say, like, how do we do this? No,
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I hear you, And there are a lot of when
you dig into some of the research, there are a
lot of different caveats that they'll say caveats that they
add to what type of fish and and what sort
of form the fish coming. That actually changes the type
of baby, changes the certainty of the child, changes the
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scumstances for the child. All of this comes into play
depending on how your dream plays out. That's amazing, Yeah,
it's it's cool. And then it starts to get a
little haunting, you know what I mean, Like, it's not
all great and and some of it because there are
other reasons that they say fish right, and I want
to get into I want to finish those before I
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get into the specifics of the others. But it does
get a little scary where it starts being like if
a fish got three eyes, then that means this, and
if a fish got half a fin, then that means
you're gonna be broken with a baby and a gonna
fall off. And it's like, all right, dog, relax, you're
your truly making my life living hell more than helping
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me comfort myself inside of these germs. I'm sure half
a fan. Oh my gosh, I need full fans. I
need full fans. I would love a fish with full fans. Dang,
I'm sure I guess this is and this is a
good question before we get into the specifics, But are
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you the type of person who sort of like lives
by these various omens? Are you? Are you a person
who looks to the stars and your your moon signs
and all the things to to make sense of your world?
Are you truly like NA be fine either way? You know,
it varies, like sometimes I'm just like, Okay, my my
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mom is being dramatic, or like these people are being
dramatic with all this stuff. But I have seen some
wild stuff. I mean, I think like when you grow
up in the church, like these prophems, some of these prophecies,
you'd be like all right, but then they become some
of them becoming true, and I'm like, wait, like I remember,
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my this is so wild bro my mom, because I
just came out this relationship and my mom was like,
you need to you need Christ in your life. We're
gonna go on a gospel cruise. And I was like,
dear God, this is the last thing. I'm sorry, hold on,
wait a minute. She was like, you you're in the
middle of a breakup. You're obviously spiraling from literally very
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difficult relationship ending, and your mom's thinking was you need
God and the only way to find God is on
a gospel cruise. Jesus. It was huh hilarious. Mind you,
B B and C. C. Winings were there and like
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all these like Kirk Franklin was there and all the
pastors and stuff like. It was kind of like this
like elite black gospel cruise. And even though I was like, yo, mom,
this is a lot, I kind of was jamming to
the concert because Kirk Franklin was stop came on. I
was like, I was like, this ain't bad. But there
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was this guy who was there that was doing prophecies,
which I was like, I can't even deal with this day.
But he has like a I'm gonna keep asking more
questions because some of this is is not easy to process.
And man, doing prophecies, do you have like a tent
set up on the deck, Like what do you mean?
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He literally was on the deck with a marker and
a dryer raised board and he was kind of like
like the like the psychic from Netflix h Tyler Henry
when he's just and scrimbles and he's like, okay, this
is how he died? Is there chest pressure? Like kind
of like that. So my mom was like, you need
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a prophecy, and I'm like, I don't want to do
this team looking man on the deck. I was like,
this man got too many curls from me to prophecy
over my life. I'm not feeling it at all. But
one of the things that he did say, which still
to this day has freaked me out. He was like,
you're gonna be in a there's there's gonna be a
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rough time globally far in your future. And are you
an actor? And I was like barely, because at that
point I was just kind of like doing little gigs
and stuff. He was like, you're gonna be an actor
on a major broadcast television show. And he was like
the title of the show. He's gonna make people nervous
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in the Christian world, but it's gonna be family friendly
and it's gonna make you a lot of money. That's
what he said. As soon as you heard a lot
of money, she was like, Praise Jesus. And then when
I booked Goes, I remember telling my family the time
of Goal, like, oh, it's called Goals. And there's this
thing in Jamaica called Duppy, which is basically basically just
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like it's a ghost but say evil. So they're like,
oh god, it's says that she's all it's all about
saith that And I was like, oh my god, I
think that man was right. I think he really. I
was like, that's crazy. And at first I was like, Yo,
this man is on drugs. I was like, there's no way.
I was like, there no way I could ever be
on TV because I was such a theater girl through
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and through, like did comedy, you know, and all that stuff.
And I never wanted to be on TV. And then
for him to say I was gonna be on TV,
I was like, he's on drugs and there's no way.
And then when I booked Ghosts, I was like, yo,
I think that proft got some jewels. Wait a minute,
I had no idea. It's so. And he kept on
doing like these little dollar sides. How are you not
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hunting down this man's church to like worship at his
at his you know what I mean? Like you you
got to be a part of whatever he's offering. Now.
I wouldn't even know where to find that man. And
Ralph's okay, I wouldn't know where to find that man.
I wouldn't even know where that man with them little
curls are I couldn't even tell you, but I remember that,
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and I remember my mom being like, write it in
your journal, and I'm like, oh my god. And I
remember finding the journal and being like he was right,
this is crazy, this is crazy, and like he was
like and yeah, he I mean, he really got very specific.
And I was shook because I never had a reading before,
and I never really I've always kind of been on
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the fence with church because I just be in church
all weekend and I was like, can I just have
a regular please? But it was like the first time
where I was like, oh, yeah, I think there's stuff
that's beyond us. I was like, I think that. I
think there is stuff beyond us that we really can't comprehend.
That's so scary and and beautiful. I think it has
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a level of like beauty too. I'm gonna look up
the Dryer Race pastor. I'm gonna see if I can
find I'm down the dry Race pastor and see if
I can find him, because I want to I want
to Prophecy read Listen. It was wild. It was wild.
It truly was. How many years are we talking in
between your dryer Race prophecy too to the booking of Ghosts.
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It was about fourteen years fuck, so he was really
down the line on that bad Boy. Yeah, yeah, that's
what he was like. It's gonna be a minute. He
was like, but there's a thing. It's a broadcast show.
And I was like, the fun is he talking a
broadcast show? I was like, Jamie Fox Show, like what
are we talking about? Like what are you? What are
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you talking about? Broad And I was like, because you know,
when you're coming from theater, you don't really know what
the TV vocabulary is. So I was like broadcast? What
is broadcast? Do you know what I mean? I was like,
what is that? Even? I was like, yo, I'm I
talking radio show. It might be like Wendy Williams like
what's going on? Yeah? I had no clue, but it
was just it was wild. Like when I booked Gohols,
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my mom was like, remember that prophet? Like, Mom, no,
I don't do this. My mom be taking because her
roll of her memory roller dads, it's serious. She remember
that prophet. And I'm like, yo, Mom, I'm dead. I'm dead.
She's so serious. But yeah, it was funny and wild there. Okay,
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so back let's we gotta go back to these goddamn fish.
And I'm sorry to say goddamn now after such a beautiful,
very Christian prophecy was shared with me. But uh, there
are others who argue, and I think this is important,
there are others who argue that the fish streams may
result and you talked about this earlier, actually may result
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from the foods you can't eat when you're pregnant. That
because of large predatory fish often carrying higher levels of mercury.
You know, tuna, stored fish, sharks, all the things that
potentially have a ship ton of mercury in them. Women
are often told to avoid them when pregnant. And the
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suggestion is that your body has a natural instinct towards
warning women even before they're aware of these restrictions. I'm sure. Yeah,
So like your body could be like, yo, you can't
you don't tuna fish. It's a warning from not eating
the tuna fish because you can't eat the tune of fish.
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I pray I don't have any dreams about shrimp. Have
to have it, that's my prayer. I have to have it,
like well, probably once every two weeks. Well to comfort
to you actually shrimp is not on the list of
high mercury. So you're good, You're fine. Yeah, I think
you can keep eating shrimp y ways. And uh, for you,
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it was protecting shrimp at all costs. Dad, I'm Dad.
That's it. Shrimp is that's it. Love it, keep loving
on shrimp. There are also other suggestions that the fish
can relate to memories from fish of your past, you
know what I mean. So our dreams in some ways
are suggested to be hidden codes for our past and
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in our deepest desires. And perhaps they're saying the fish
is merely a little bit of a puzzle piece for
your brain. So it's it's a little bit of like
a Da Vinci code sort of thing happening where you
don't know why it means what it means, but something
from your history would help you understand that this has
in fact led to some kind of pregnancy, either in
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you or around you. Sure, yeah, this is a lot
of way deeper than I thought. Oh my god. Yes,
you can make anything deep if you just if you
make a bunch of different answers to it, you can
be like, yeah, it could be any of these things.
And you're and I think that is where as we're
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talking about whether or not you buy in or don't
buy into all of like the prophecies and all the things.
This is where I struggle, Right, It's not that there
aren't moments where these amazing things happen exactly like what
you're talking about. A man with the dry race board
tells you all the things that are going to happen,
both in a a global future and your specific future,
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and then it comes true. That's fucking crazy. But then
there's a another part of me that goes, yeah, but
he told you twenty five other things that you don't
remember and that had no actual connection to anything that's
become of you. And so it just is like throwing
darts and he just it is. You'll hit it is
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it is. And that's the thing I think. I really
want to go around like I don't think I could
ever really be a psychic, but I have kind of
a spirit and a face where people can't believe me,
and I think, like, like, I think that really could be.
It's like the ultimate hustle, Like I really do think
like psychics. It's like the ultimate hustle where you can
(37:38):
be like you have somebody in your life name with
the letter m am I right, and you're like, oh
my god, my uncle Michael. Yeah, that's it. That's it.
One out of six chance that I was gonna name
a letter, and we've got we most of us have
more than you know, one of the six people in
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our lives. Exactly. I gotta I got him somewhere in here, somewhere,
somewhere in it. That's the thing. Like I it's hard
because I'm also very much so on the fence with
a lot of these things. But then there are some
things where I see and I'm like, wow, that really
did happen? Do you know what I mean? Like the prophecy,
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my mom, This just I love that your mom be
throwing she's got she'd be going, she goes in and
I'd be like, I think this is why I'm always
so skeptical, But this one actually took me out. I
was still living in her house. My mom was like
super obviously super Christian, and I remember when I lost
(38:45):
my virgin my virginity, and she two weeks like literally
two weeks later, came up into my room at three
o'clock in the morning and was like, lost your virginity,
And I was like, no, I didn't. I didn't. Please,
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please don't throw me out this house because I don't
have no money for friends. She's like, you lost your
virginity and she was like, I just had a dream.
She was like, and you lost it in the car.
She was like, I said no. I was like, I
did it. Shirley did. And she was like, and how
dare you lose it to gospel people? Oh? No, which
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c C one is Alabaster box randomly came on in
the middle of it. To this day takes me out.
She was like, We're going to church first thing in
the morning. It was like a Tuesday. So I'm like,
why are we in church on Wednesday just to be here?
Nobody else is there. Now we're just praying together. Like
it took me down. I was gonna be all secretive
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and there was like no evidence, there was nothing in there.
She just woke up three am. She was like, you
lost it. She was like, let me let me say
this is the fact that on that boat cruise you
didn't go up to CC windings and tell her this
story feels like a failure on your part. I'll say this,
I'm fine with you losing your virginity. I'm certainly fine
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with you losing it in the car, who amongst us
didn't I'm even okay with CC Windings coming on, but
the fact that you didn't immediately make it your journey
to go to CC Windings and be like, you know,
I'm bone to your music. Cecie and my mama found
out in a prophecy anyway I love you. That is
(40:35):
a cold open and I ever, oh man, God, truly,
these prophecies are actually starting to get a little chilling
for me. We're gonna take a break. We'll be back
with more Danielle Penock and more. My mama told me.
(40:59):
He and we are back. How are you please help me? Yeah,
we're back here with Mary and more. My mama told me.
We're still talking about the possibility that fish fish dreams
of fish lead to pregnancy. That is the the theory
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that is on the table, and we are digging deep
into this research. And I want to now throw you
a bunch of the examples that I found of like
specifics around the fish and what I'd love to do
with you because some of them, as I mentioned, get
very specific and very weird as you unpack them. I
would just love your thoughts, your general thoughts. As we
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go through each one, I'll lay I'll throw one your way.
You tell me what you're thinking. Is it right, is
it wrong, is it weird? Is it heartbreaking? I don't know.
You tell me what you're seeing, and if you've ever
had any experience like it, love it great. So let's
start easy. There are suggestions about the the colors of
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the fish, right. They say, if the fish you're dreaming
about is black, then it is said that you're set
to give birth to a baby boy. That's the theory,
baby boy. Black fish means baby boy, and literally any
other color is a girl. That's what I read. Oh wow,
First of all, black fish, that's this gives me real
(42:29):
edges shan gay for colud fish when the blast fish,
I'm not mad at it. Also, have you seen that
documentary about that black fish that was that was a
metal black people in real time? That's how I feel.
(42:51):
They dragged that ship fish from home, his homeland and
then put him down South for people to be umc
to look. Come. Yeah, yeah, old the big old killer
whale killer whale killer whale. Yeah. I think that was
a metaphor for black people. Yeah, it was. They snatched him,
(43:12):
brought him down south. He wouldn't accept in slavery. Uh,
lying down he was really gonna some people up on
his way out. Yeah, you know, rest in peace to
that trainer. But you know, let's say, you know rum
But yeah, I'm trying to tell you I think that
was a metaphor that time. The country really had me
(43:32):
in my feelings in real time. Okay, black fish, so
that means a boy boom, black fish means boy literally
any other color is is a girl, which feels a
little rude to women. I guess in the of it all,
it's not specific, and it's like, I want to know
what kind of woman, you know what I mean? It's
a black woman. Is a woman from the Latino culture,
South Asian women like which fish think that you think
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that the parents colors are not determ make the color
of this baby and race of this baby. It is,
in fact more the dream that decides if this nice
Asian couple is going to end up with a a
black girl baby. I'm trying to tell you, Jordan Keele
call Us, that's it, baby, Like I'm not mad at that.
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I'm not mad at it either. I think I think
we've got something here. Here's here's another one that I'd
love to hear your thoughts on. They say, if oh,
this is a scary one. They say, a dead fish
in a dream is said to be a warning of
a warning sign of something unhealthy happening to the baby,
or the baby being lost, a dead fish lost like
(44:49):
but miscarriage or I was like I thought, like stolen
at the hospital. I don't think it's that, God, I
don't think the baby. I don't think the baby is
on a on an purgatory island with a smoke monster.
I think it's more Oh my god, no longer with us. Okay, Okay,
(45:12):
now I'm okay. I'm stressed, but I'm not as stressed
as the baby from the hospital. And I need to
know which fish is that isn't like mahy mahy, like
what that's the thing? Like we gotta kind of they
gotta get specific on these fish for us, so then
we can kind of make some note cards and know
in advance. Okay, salmon means this right if you you
(45:32):
know what I mean? And I do think that might
be something we could work on. Is just putting together
a chart where It's like you have pictures of various
fish that after you have the dream, you wake up,
you're like, oh God, damn it, salmon. Oh no, this
is okay. No, this is okay. Salmon's fine, this is okay. Yeah,
I would buy that. I mean, I've got anything on Amazon.
Are you kidding? The fish Diaries? I would literally combing
(45:55):
through that. Yeah, I need to know. We've got a
lot to work on. We've got this color pitch that
we're we've got going, We've got this chart for women
that are waking up with fish dreams. This is this
is a lot of tasks for us to take on,
and I I wouldn't be surprised if there are more
that we add on as we go along through this list.
I'll throw this one your way. I'd love to hear
(46:16):
your thoughts on this. There they say that a salty fish,
which I didn't know what the funk that meant a
salty fish, but they said a fish with salt on
it was an option. It suggests either lasting richness or
or a fear that your child will be a burden
to you. That's it, and we have we have saltfish
(46:36):
in Jamaica. But they also couldn't they also call a bakalu.
So that's it. That's it. So you think so that
specifically is talking about saltfish and if you dream of saltfish,
and this is where it sucked me up, or at
least I had, I struggled a little bit. It's that
that or it's a big divergence in the ore. One
(46:58):
is like lastingness, like you're gonna you're gaining eternal wealth,
or your child is going to be an absolute burden
in your life, like they're not close in their meaning. Yeah,
that's seen. I'm trying to tell you that either or
will get you. That's the psychic Yes, it's literally like
(47:21):
you never know. It's literally that's the scam where it's
like it could be selfish but it could not. And
then for me who has anxiety, I'm like, what is it?
I need to know? I need to know dang selfish? Okay.
It truly will leave you stuck for a long time
being like okay, well I'm either going to be the
richest man in history or uh my kids I'm going
(47:43):
to resent them forever and always. I don't know period.
That's it. That's literally it dang, okay, come on selfish,
Come on, selfish, give me give me a good answer, selfish.
Here's here's another crazy one. Large fish. Large fish could
be positive benefits or evil lurking in your life. Yo,
(48:08):
It's like, can we get a chance? Yes? Can we live?
Can we breathe? Life was good? Like evil lurking? Yeah,
these people don't know a middle ground at all. They're
not they're not hitting the middle class in any of
these conversations. That truly is just either or the most
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the best thing that could happen to you or the
worst thing that could happen to you. See, and that's
the thing. It's like the scam. It's good or bad.
You know, if you see Flounder you know what I mean?
From Little Dormaid in a dream, It's like, yes, Flounder
is about to be your best friend, So that means
your child is gonna be your best friend. But also
Flownder means that you can meet Ursula by accident. What
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which one is it? You know what I mean? Like,
I'm trying to have the best friend, but now Ersula
is lurking. This it's a scam. Now is you're gonna
steal my voice? And I'm gonna I'm gonna have to
kiss a man on the boat exactly exactly. I hate it.
I hate this scam. I don't like this. So it
(49:15):
doesn't it doesn't get easier because there are also this
This additional caveat of a large fish and a small
pond is said to mean that money, money that you
are grasping for but not yet ready to reach. And
in the description they say that that when you get
this big fish in the small pond, you're often in
the dream attempting to catch the big fish but cannot
(49:38):
reach it, can't catch the fish at all. See, I
need the coins when I need the coins, you know
what I mean. It's like the way Sally May is
set up. She needs her money on time credit. But
actually that's a good excuse if you think about it.
(49:58):
Like Sally, I dreamed of the shark, so sorry, Yeah,
I dreamed of a shark I couldn't catch, so I
I unfortunately I will not have your three hundred dollars
this week. Apologies in advance, Apologies in advance. Be blessed.
We love you, Sally, we love you. Thanks for everything
you do for us, exactly exactly. Dang. Okay, so this
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one gets weird. There is also apparently dreams of human
looking fish that if if you're fish that you're dreaming
of either is humanoid or has a human face allah
shape of water type thing, this is said to represent
people of good character, or if they have an ugly face,
it could represent someone bad in your life. So if
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they're a beautiful, handsome fish, then it's like, oh, you've
got good people in your life. And then if they're ugly,
it means you got you got a trickster in your
in your ship. Okay, So I wake up from a
dream and the fish looks like shack, what does that
mean for me? Ugly fish? I'm gonna be honest with you,
but that's an ugly mother. It's kind of like, okay,
(51:09):
like what now you gotta check all you gotta look
around and be like, who the funk amongst me? Is
also like Michael B. Jordan's He's fine, but like, you know,
a fish with a mustache that's kind of scary. I'm
not gonna hold you. Like I don't know, I truly
don't know if there's a person beautiful enough on earth
to be a fish and I'm like, yo, that's a
(51:30):
bad fish. Uh, nah, nah, well, I don't have it.
I I don't know. There's no way like a sea
bass with with a Steve Harvey mustache, Like I'm scared.
It's not good. Yeah, I agree. Good. I read this
and I was like, this seems it feels like y'all
(51:50):
are stretching here, y'all. I I don't know. Every time,
this don't feel good to me. But okay, here's the
one of the last ones. Treasure in a fish dream.
Apparently you can have a fish dream and then sometimes
there's like treasure, like a fucking like a treasure box
somewhere in the dream. And I thought that that was
gonna be like really good. But apparently that's more of
(52:14):
a struggle for power or like a recent gain in
like knowledge. So like it. It's like you're attempting to
get to get paid or get power out of some ship.
This is tough. So, like Scrooge McDuck fishes, that's not good.
It's not as good as you would think. You would
think that's gonna be pretty sweet. I don't like this.
(52:37):
I don't know who did this Google doc for um
all these fishes that did the research, but they tried
it because it's like, can't we want to be honest?
Can't we win? It feels like someone in your family
put this together, and I think you got to hold
them accountable more than no. I think it's the I
think it's the WhatsApp pastor. Pastor is that question? She
(53:01):
was like, boom, got it, ugly fish with a human face.
I'll have this trending and what's that? Exactly? Exactly? Dang,
that's hilarious. The last one that I'll share with you
is that fishing. If you are in your dream and
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you are fishing, not not catching fish necessarily, but if
you're fishing in your dream, it is said to be
you trying to catch someone in real life, or even
confronting repressed emotions. Okay, m hmmm. So that's the burnet
brown fish. That's a therapy fish. That that fish has
(53:44):
a short blonde haircut. Okay, I'm not mad at it.
I'm not mad at it. Man. Yes, I'm telling you
vulnerability imperfection. That's that fish. Yeah, that fish has a talk,
and I'm not mad at it. You don't my deficient
dream these other ones. You are a little more opposed to.
This is what you're like. Now, I can deal with this.
(54:05):
I don't mind it. I don't mind it. Right, yeah,
this is we did it. I think these that's as
many prophecies as I think either of us can probably handle.
Could you? Could you tell the lovely people at home
where they can find you and what cool ship you
have going on? Listen, hey, lovely people. You can find
me on social media at body Courage, b O, d
(54:27):
y c O. You r a g And if you
want to laugh about, you know, the misadventures black people
go through in the industry, follow me at hashtag booked
on Instagram. Hell yeah, so yeah, dope. Follow Follow Danielle.
She's hilarious and as always or we're not as always,
I don't say it every week, but I'm gonna say
it this week. Watch Ghosts on CPS on Thursdays, and
(54:50):
you can follow me at Langston Kerman and I don't
know what I'm doing on there, but bust out causing
come on making the world a slightly worse place with
the stupid things me and my friends made. And uh,
as always, you can send us your drops, your conspiracy theories,
(55:10):
any of your your fucked up opinions on what we
have going on here at my Mama pot at gmail
dot com. I would love to hear from you. Otherwise,
that's it. Bye, bitch. My crop chips in your qual
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