July 18, 2023 • 47 mins
Kate and community. Her social, caffeinated mornings in the neighborhood. The inherently Jewish ability to dazzle a coffee shop. Kate's interested in Prolon, Jacqueline's famously done the Master Cleanse and broke it with cream. Pure curiosity and… maybe abs. The 'wonder of it all' is actually in the way. Bootcamp for brushing your teeth and getting good at the mail. Writing like the chair is about to be pulled out from under you. The philosophical purpose of quotes/advice. A reading from Ralph Waldo Emerson is shared. Screenshot statistics and frozen cocktail recipes in preparation of the binging bacchanalia.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kate Berlan, I'm Jacqueline Novak, And this is.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Friends, two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is
our hell, This is our naked desire for free products.
This is poog. Today's topics, loosely speaking, the usual huffed
to the moon, remain curious. Greetings, greetings, good afternoon. You know,
(00:29):
people ask me why I say greetings, and I think
it is sometimes, Hey, it's too much, you know what
I mean? Hi, Yeah, it's too much. Shift to sing? Yeah,
a tone? Hey, like greetings, you can say an a
tone and something's built into it. I can really greetings
and it's like there's something kind built into it, being
(00:51):
formal language. I think, yeah, let's just see do it?
Did I screen grab some stuff?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I have something right out of the gate. Two things, Yeah,
let's hear it. Contact.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
There's three things.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But first of all, have you heard about this this
wellness hack? This thing that's that you shouldn't drin coffee
right when you wake up. Are you aware of this?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah? I've pitched it on pood before. It's Huberman is
big on this you have to wait ninety minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So I have a friend who is always mystifying to
me because he parties constantly, yeah, like up all night,
but then hikes every day and like but uh he
was like, oh yeah, like you can't drink coffee right
when you wake up? He does like the nineties didn't
give her a single reason. No, And then I mean,
Huberman has reasons. I you know, I don't exactly recall
(01:37):
it there. I'll just say I tried twice and I've
been And what he says is start pushing by fifteen
minutes because I'm wake up. Let's get the water boiling immediately.
It's like, course, okay, push, push push. And then I
had this experience the other day where I woke up, say,
an hour and fifteen minutes past, and I just was like,
let's approach this with curiosity.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Right, We're gonna hate curiosity, I know, I mean, just
non judgmental curiosity, trust foundation.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Out What if I were curious about this instead of
just going straight to the judgment and pain or the reaction. Yeah,
but I did remain curious and it worked. And then
I also had shocking community levels at all time high.
So I live walking distance to two major coffee shops. Yes,
and I'd go there sometimes, but I really make my
own coffee at home, and so this was part of
my kind of wake up. I put on some jeans,
(02:23):
threw on some clothes, walked to the coffee shop with
a book.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
This was maybe eight thirty. Am you believe it? Are
you carrying it in your hand or in a bag?
I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
In my hand I only had because I had Can
you believe this left my house unlocked?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well? Locked?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I had like a key hidden right like true small
town life?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Went with my book. Are you sitting down all the listeners?
You don't lock your home rightly? Ive?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
From now on, I went without my phone.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You can believe it? Really?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Nineteen oh four level? Oh my god, I'll be curious.
There off no exactly. And I sit there drinking my
coffee outside, and there are these two people that I
see in my neighborhood, and I've noticed them from time
to time. We've never spoken, but I am sitting there
and then they come and sit and then I'm not
(03:12):
kidding everyone that walks by, Hey, Hey, how you doing
by name? Hey Chuck? How's the fucking really house? Yeah,
but you want part of it? No, no, no, I'm
observing this. These two neighbors. Oh you guys want a town,
right Yeah, yeah, I'm not kidding. Okay, and I'm going
what so that I start kind of feeling like I
want to get in on this. So I'm sitting there,
I'm reading. Eventually, so it's an older man with a
(03:34):
younger who I assume is his girlfriend. Okay, and he
does the classic what you're reading to me?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Wait? Is he one of the ones that was partaking already?
He was in the he was one of the his.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Girlfriend, the ones planted at the coffee shop talking to
everyone who walks by.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, got it, got it? Got it? So now they
decide to add to their rogue gallery.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah. So that he turns behind there and he goes,
what you're reading? Okay, and I go I normally i'd
be like he's christ, but I'm feeling like I want
to connect with the neighbors. Yeah, we start talking about
Carl Young. He starts saying stuff it's like not really accurate.
I'm just like I'm not going to crack to him
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I'm like, yeah, I know about Young, yeah, or just
kind of like Freud.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's just like, I'm like, this is not really it,
but you know, God bless the attempt to talk. And
then of course it is what always happens, right, It's like,
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So, oh no, here we go. And then I keep
it vague. We're talking about creativity whatever. She's a musician,
But the point is ultimately a positive experience introduced by name.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I then start to wrap up. I sat out there
for an hour outside yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Then I leave, and then immediately I have the wow
that I'm so transformed by community.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And then immediately I have this gut punch.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I can never go back to the coffee shop because
now I'm gonna have to talk to him for an
hour every time, which is not real. I can set
those boundaries. But I did get scared. Yeah, but I
love being able to walk down the street.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Hey, by name.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That is everything and happened to me at a coffee shop,
not my usual. I walk up, the guy behind the
counter goes the usual, and everyone hurts see you, Yes,
here we go, and then I'm sailing yeah and I've
been Then you wept wept instantly turned behind me to
the other patrons. Can you believe that did a whole thing?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, oh you did one of those started doing the
meta that you're doing here. Yeah, community, Am I right, folks?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah? Yeah, I went hard.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Did I love it? Did they give you.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Up? Left to me on their shoulders practically?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And then I.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Sometimes feel like the Jewish culture has given me a
skill that allows me to dazzle in those scenarios. And
I can't help but feel like that, like like it's
a secret weapon and obligation. It's kind of like, oh
I can sort of instantly like transgress charmingly with a stranger.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, yeah, I understand completely.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And I just I associate it with the kind of
worsh belt. I don't know, Yeah, I feel like it
came down from through the borsch belt.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, by the way it did, it's insane strolling you
miss honor the ancestors through carrying on that tradition. Okay,
So that was the coffee community I formed. And then
oh sorry, sorry, sorry, Oh look at that she's back
on Celsius, folks. And then the next day, the next day,
I go, I'm going to go to the rival coffee shop,
the other one, okay, which for some reason like that
one's ways more crowded. I don't want to partake in that.
I felt like I was in Europe. No, I was embarrassed.
(06:21):
It was packed. I sat off to the corner, damn
with a Americano for here in the porcelain cup. Oh wow, wow,
sat there, unbelievable, ran into someone wasn't scary.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
In fact, I saw them come in. I could have
I could have done an ignore. Instead, I went, hey,
holy sh I was feeling so yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Can you believe that I didn't turn away. I didn't
turn away, I didn't hide. I went for it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
We end up talking for I would say four minutes,
four to six minutes, learn a little bit about them.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I thought you were from Oh you're kidding, I'm sailing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Oh my god, yeah, talking about our lives, talking about
or from.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh sorry, I'm just gonna be sharp, shooting pain in
the head. Oh oh whatever, take me back to the
coffee shop.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So this coffee shop felt like Paris, and I was
really amazed, and I thought, Okay, I'm gonna start coming
here every single day.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Hey, coffee shop. Someone seated with a here not to go, okay,
cup screams out. I mean, that's almost like that's like
they should be afraid. I know a woman with a
here cup porcelain.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I know I need to Then I saw something happen
that warmed me. Where there was a table in the shade.
There was a it was like a fore top. There's
a woman sitting there, I will say, discouraged by the
amount of laptops. Of course, everyone's on their screens, devastating.
And then there's a woman sitting there at the table.
And then I see this other coffee shop goer come
over with her tablet.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
She's looking around, where do I sit?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I'm watching this. I'm watching this. Oh, first day of
school cafeteria? Right where do I sit? And she goes
up to the woman says, do you mind if I
perch her on the end of the table.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
She said, purchase. That sounds like Camber Lentley.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah. Maybe she didn't say yeah she, but I heard
her say kind of laughed. I promise not to bother you.
Oh no, of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
They hit it off. No, you heard them hitting it off.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I watched them talking, talking, laughing. Oh yeah. And then quietly,
as we call parallel play, what kids do next to
each other, having separate experiences. I watched them doing their works.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They settled into their works. Huge because if it had
been like a they hit it off. But fuck now
I have a cafe to get out of this. Yeah, yeah,
and I guess I didn't get my work day at
the cafe. The fact that they were able to descend
into parallel play.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The sweetest thing I've ever seen is huge, huge, huge,
And they were still there when I left, tapping away
and yeah, that was so.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Then I was like, well, this is what I'm we
do every day.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I haven't been back since, of course, but that was
only about four days ago, the other huge, very Poog
(09:06):
related event. So I texted you, so, has anyone have
the eavesdroppers heard of prolong? This is a fasting mimicking
five day plan that I've heard about since.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And you mentioned, yeah, like since the eighties. I've heard
it come out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Oneith used to talk about it, okay, Pamela Salzman, who
I used to follow a lot her online recipes.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm familiar but okay, used to.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Talk about it. I've seen it forever. You know. It's
like Jen Aniston swears my prolong you know whatever. Okay,
So it's basically like state sanctioned starvation. You know, it's
like one day, it's five days.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
They whittle you down. You don't get it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's like they whittle you down, like like day one
is like your big girl day and you get like crackers, olives,
powdered soup in like two bars.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Is big girl meaning I mean your big girl pants
and fast like a fuckoh? Or is it?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I was saying big girl day because the first day,
which is still starvation, is like the most you're going
to get in five days.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh, like you're a big you need to get your
crack crow. Today is slob.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So I was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So I talked to a few friends who'd done this
and they were like both men, they were like mental
clarity reach. It's like astonishing course. And then my other
friend was like, you know, what's amazing just five days
where you aren't thinking about like your meals because that's
such a huge and I was like right, right, right.
So it's like I'm kind of curious here, and I'm like, okay,
I'm gonna do it. And I tell a few people
I'm like I've tried to get I believe I tried
(10:32):
to rope you in.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I tried to rope Gohn really interesting. You didn't explicitly
say do you want to do this now? I did
immediately go wait did this get sent you for free?
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And I was like, I pay it, I pay it,
I pay yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah. So I'm kind of like, okay, I'm looking at
my schedule, going all right, you know these are two
days I'm going to hang out with my parents a lot,
you know, not going to be super social. I'll be
able to do just genuinely.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
We're like curious.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes, I swear I've been curious about this thing for years.
I'm like, what if I'm like reaching new heights and
I you know, what.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Is about spiritual clarity? I'm just gonna not something you
decided was self breiat.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And if my abs are rock hard by the.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
End, yeah, back from Rome, you.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Know, by the way, absolutely I thought, Oh, back from Rome,
I'm gonna want to you know, kind of pull back.
Needless to say, I got more ripped in Roman i've
ever been in my life. There's no need And the
food was the cleanest, most indulgent, as ever, indulgent as
ever and never been better. Let's just say didn't last
the full day. Let's just say broke night one. So
(11:37):
cut that text for you. And at some point and
it didn't. I never replied.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I was just like, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I was weak, and I was like, well, I can't
have that. I was hungry, which of course I just
didn't expect that one. I mean, i mean, day one
is the hardest.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, well, of course you're not going to I mean
it wouldn't be at yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
When I was like I'm really gonna I did do
the Master Cleanse. I mean, let's just oh my god,
course for about eight days.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Eight days of cayenne. Oh, and then I remember you
broke it with a white Russian.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, because I forgot I was on the fast. I
was at a stand up comedy event and I go,
that looks like just the drink I want. And then
was like, fuck and have the most exquisite fucking Chinese food.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Days on the Master Cleanse.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Jesus, I was doing my Kundolini yoga video dance, the
chakras et cetera setting on my parents rug, you know, meditation,
you know, the whole thing, and I mean part of
it was just I was so fucking frustrated with how
I could not eat even the lightest meal without immediately
(12:48):
needing to fucking sleep with my feeling. And so it
was like it was just sort of like, I don't know,
it was a lot of things. It was interesting, but yeah,
I mean, it's it's definite. Is like you know, you
settle into it and you and you're there. It is
I don't know, it's like but yeah, it's like it's
(13:09):
like shocking at first and then like you adjust. But
I don't think I mean, I I couldn't do that
as a integrated like well, I'm having a busy week,
so I'll just remove food from the week, Like it
would have to be like retreating cartile no even even
like maybe that, I guess, but like it would have
(13:31):
to be more like I don't want to have a
regular week in which like I'm fasting to the point
where I could have mental clarity, but I'm like in
the middle of doing some shit, like I want to
be like, Okay, you're going to this cabin. Yeah, and
you know, I don't even know, I mean, because the
other thing is like what am I hoping for? Like
(13:53):
at this point, what am I looking for? Right? I
mean here, it is here, it is. I don't need enlightenment, okay,
and I know what's what That's not the issue, you
know what I'm saying, like soaring to heights, like seeing
like the glory of it all, like yeah, like I
feel that often.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, the problem is the day to day getting through that.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
The problem is like the basics. Yeah, so like I
would be better served by a week of boot camp
of like, well, a week of boot camp. I guess
I was gonna say boot camp of like you know,
getting up, brushing my teeth, putting on my clothes, Okay,
and then it was just like, yeah, I'd be better
(14:36):
served by that. I'm more like the wonder of it
all is what's in my way if anything. You know,
it's like constant epiphanies. Like it's like, yeah, I know,
I know you're getting.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
In this spiritual you know, the spiritual material constantly, is
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, so like you know, the medicine isn't I mean
because I would go off in theory, I would go
off and do the thing, the whatever the fuck it is, right,
whether the fast or the ayahuasca or something or whatever,
go in this spiritual retreat like if you could promise
me that when I came home, Like, boy, was I
good at mailing things?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah, Like that's the executive functioning? Is that
an all time low? The forms? I really?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Continually I got one of these forms, I got one
of these things in the mail. It's like, oh, you
gotta get your car, get this mag check.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You're fucking kidding me. You're fucking kidding me. You think, oh,
I got to take this thing in. And then it
was like, see there's a number on the bottom of
call that number.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah. And by the way, this like registration every year laughable.
You have to are you guys? Who the fuck? You
don't even have I don't even have kids. I don't
have a job where I have to keep regular hours.
I live like a fucking swab, right, or like I'm
like this glorified pig. Yes, and I can't imagine what
(16:08):
if I Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Right, you just mean technically the flexibility.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes, I don't have the daily anchors of got to
get the kids up, which told you I considered having
kids just to be reproductive, right, just to get my schedules.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Limit the time so that you could only write between
seven and nine exactly, well, really, your productivity goes to
the roof with Carymond Carver said that you should always
feel like the chair is about to be pulled out
from under you because like, oh you're writing. Yeah yeah,
oh my god. But he also said everything you need
I think to write, you know, life experience wise, like
happens before you're eighteen. Shut up. I like that. And
(16:43):
also that's cool. Yeah, like you don't need to I mean,
intemous writer, it's like, yeah, take you know who fucking cares?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, this guy's so sadlf go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
But if it's good, if you like it, then you
take it and you keep on moving. Uh. You know
these quotes, right, they serve to legitimize whichever side you're
living at the moment. Yes, so if it's okay, you're
gonna have kids, Oh, my artistry is gonna be fucked
well so and so you know or fucking what's his name?
Fucking Jesus new Heart Bob Newhart, Bob new Heart. Yeah,
(17:18):
sounds weird like an accountant and can only write write
his jokes like you know, like that kind of shit.
Oh I understand what, Bob? What Let me just double
jack Chris Chris Bob Newhart accountant had to write his
jokes like in the evenings. Yeah, it's true, that's cool
(17:38):
something like that. Okay, that's so that's where you go.
You know, that's like, you know where my dad's telling
me to get seek gameful employment when you know what
I mean, like whatever, it's like you need you know, no,
just flying through my mind. I remember like advice, man,
Advice I mean should only be seen as perhaps it's
(17:59):
either a thought you you've already had or a thought
you didn't already have. But just because you didn't already
have it doesn't mean it's it's not good. So it's
just another option of a way of thinking about things
all fucking is. I don't know, I like googled like
the words self reliance, like in the fucking middle of
the night a couple of weeks back, and then was
like what popped up, you know, immediately served Ralph Waldo
(18:21):
Emerson self Reliance that essay which has there you're going
but literally have you read because it has a couple
of quotes in it that I've clung to over the year.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I'm revisiting the thing like what like what hunger for
the quotes.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, let me see if I can pull them up,
because I have a sloppy version of them. And then
let's see where did I download it? Classic eyebook eyebooks
scenario reading a book called The Talent Code. Greatness isn't born,
It's grown. Here's how Okay, self reliance and other essays.
I'll explain why I was reading that too, bookmarks and highlights. Okay,
(19:01):
Oh yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You know what I think I've really gotten from you?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
What?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
All right? You're you're you saying?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
All right? Oh really I really need notice. I do
that constantly, and I do that. Did I get that
from you? All right?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Like alone?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Like I'll be like doing things. I'm like, okay, all right,
all right, I hear it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's funny. I don't know. All right, So I'm going
to redo a good solid two did I just do it? Okay?
I'm going to read good solid two paragraphs? Go okay,
because I think it's fucking worth it. Here we go,
all right, and stop me if you if you space,
if you're driving, pull over. Okay. So this is him
(19:38):
giving an anecdote that leads into our idea. Okay, I
read the other day some verses written by an eminent
painter which were original and not conventional. Slow down, okay, yeah, no,
let's let's let's okay. So I tried to because it's
written in weird language. In that way, I'm trying to
give you the vibe. Okay, But so let's go piece
by piece. They got it all the time in the
world is pook?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I read the other day some verses written by an
eminent painter, got it which were original and not conventional. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
By the way, the acting that you're doing really helping
me metabolize the material.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Okay, that's what I'm trying to do. That's what acted out,
act it out. Okay, Okay, are you ready? Okay? The
soul always hears an admonition in such lines. Let the
subject be what it may Okay, Okay. So I read
some good verses by an eminent painter that were original,
and the soul here is in you know, original lines
(20:34):
like that, a latent admonition, right, yeah, no matter what
the subject is. Okay, now I'm translating in full, okay,
but the sentiment they instill is of more value than
any thought they may contain Okay, okay, and that's still
just setting up the sentiment. And here's what it is.
I'd say, to believe your own thought, to believe that
what is true for you in your private heart is
(20:55):
true for all men. That is genius. Oh fuck yeah, Okay,
does this honey, Okay, Okay, speak your latent conviction and
it shall be the universal sense.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
For the inmost, in due time becomes the utmost, and
our first thought is rendered back to us by the
trumpets of the last judgment. Okay, whatever, whatever, Okay, I
don't have to cling too heavy to this, okay, because
we're getting to the part that's key familiar, as the
voice of the mind is to each the highest merit.
We ascribe to Moses, Plato and Milton Space. Okay, I didn't,
(21:30):
and my acting was because I went off Christ Judas.
I was like, I need I need to learn more
about Judas. Yeah, go back way is that they said it?
Not that, not books and tradition, and this book not
what men what they thought. Okay, So wait n A
U g H T not like as in nary few. Okay,
(21:53):
I think anyway, it doesn't matter, it works kind of
work through it Okay. Ready, So he's saying saying that
we ascribe this genius to them, when in fact they're
just speaking the universal, familiar, interior mind with courage kind
of I think. Okay, So we ascribe the highest merit
to Moses, Plato, and Milton, and they set at not
books and traditions, and spoke not what men, but what
(22:13):
they thought. Okay, okay, so here we go. This is
actually the part I highlighted. Okay, and we'll stop, okay,
but stop as needed. Okay. Actually, let's let it wash
over once, because you do a washover, then the meaning
might come about versus trying to go word by word.
Let's try this once. A man should learn to detect
and watch that gleam of light which flashes across his
(22:36):
mind from within, more than the luster of the firmanent
of bards and sages. Yet he dismisses without notice his
thought because it is his. Okay, In every that this
is where it is, this is what fucking are you ready?
In every work of genius, we recognize our own rejected thoughts. Huge, huge,
(22:59):
I know the line. I know that line. Okay. They
come back to us with a certain alienated majesty. Hi, No,
I guess I have chills. Okay, Yeah, that's the line
that I always Okay, that I've probably brought up on POV.
So I have an anecdote here. Okay. So great works
of art have no more affecting lesson for us than this.
They teach us to abide by our spontaneous impression. Okay,
(23:23):
this is actually huge, and I'm gonna because this is
the next level. Okay, but let me just let me
say it again. So great works of art have no
more affecting lesson for us than this. They teach us
to abide by our spontaneous impression with good humored inflexibility.
Then most when the whole cry of voices is on
the other side. Okay, good humored inflexibility. That's cool, because
(23:45):
that's like the not saying no to the rejected thought, right,
and then here it goes Otherwise. I'm translating because it
says else. Okay, but else Tomorrow a stranger will say,
with masterly good sense, precisely what we have thought and
felt all the time, and we should be forced to
take with shame our opinion from another, our own, from another,
(24:07):
our own. I left it for another fuck brutal.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
This is good. This is really good. So by the
way I'm loving is that it I'm loving that a
little more. And I remember that alienated all this, Well,
this is just what it's reminding me of.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Is in a cabalistic tradition.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yes, there's an idea when in like rabbinical kabala, when
they talk about reincarnation, because I've been I've been on
a real reincarnation kick.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, here we go. Okay, well here we fucking go.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, but one thing I'll say in Kabbala, there's
this idea. It's like, you don't say you believe. It's
not I believe in reincarnation. I believe in God or something.
It's knowing. It's what you already know. It's not belief,
it's knowing. Right, So it's like knowing. It's like what
you're what you're saying with that with what you just read.
(24:57):
It's like that internal the recognition what's come before, which
is what wisdom is. And they say when you're reading
a book and you go, oh fuck, I love this recognition.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You knew it. Yeah, it's what you already know. Yes,
And that's to say belief. And I'm just interpreting. But
like belief creates a separation between you and an idea,
right it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Actually the idea is like, you know, if someone says, like,
if I look at you, Jack, I'm like, yeah, you
were a fucking you were on ships in your past life. Yeah,
in like in the past life you were on a
goddamn ship. You go, yeah, right, it's not like you're
because it strikes you.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Know that, Yeah, I mean and it only it only
I mean yeah. And the evidence continues to mount, and
the evidence continues to mount.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
But I like that idea of attaining wisdom is or
whatever as as just knowing, a recognition and knowing as
a as a returning to a knowing exactly, a return
to knowing, not some kind of like not a belief
in something outside yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And here he's talking about great works of art, right,
and he's saying like they remind us that we already knew,
you know, And I love it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's so brutal. What do you say, you have to
endure your idea in someone else's voice.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Or you have to take else Tomorrow a stranger will
stay with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought
and felt all the time, and we shall be forced
to take with shame our own opinion from another horrifying right,
that is, but.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
There's also a pleasure in that, right, there's a pleasure there,
like when you're talking to someone.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
With I think, not when you have you ever articulated something?
I don't know. Maybe it's Cadenan's over content we talked
about with.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Direct consumer marketing.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, you just kind of roll out the thing and
then the other person replies and you I don't know,
I think. I don't think it's always full tragedy. There
are different layers of it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
One side of every pleasure is pain, right.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And then you know, secondarily, you know there's a time
in every men's education. And it's funny how I get
a distinct pleasure from reading these old fucking works where
they talk of humankind as man and mankind. I get
a fucking kick out of that. There's something like I
(27:12):
enjoy walking around with like a notion about like or
I shall be forced to take from another man like
I think, I don't know. I guess what I'm responding
to is a common thing would be that, Oh you know,
I'm reading that, and I should be going, what about women?
But I get this pleasure about it sort of. Maybe
it's like I think I'm pulling something not intended for me,
(27:33):
and like ha I am. I don't know. You know,
this has always been a thing, but one face, one character.
I want to make some pressure on another non sculpture
as the memory. I'm hungry. God will not have his
work made manifest by cowards. I'm saying that to lure
you in Okay, to the next concept, which is just
(27:55):
you know, there's a time in every man's education when
he arrives at the conviction the envious ignorance and imitation
is suicide, et cetera. He must take himself for better
or worse as his portion right. Imitation is suicide.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
That was something I remember writing down as a youth.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, and then look how it served you. You know,
though the wide universe is full of good, no kernel
of nourishing corn can come to him, but through his
toil bestowed on that plot of ground which is given
him to till right, thank you?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Okay, hold on, that's a crack open a can a Dolmas,
what's that, dolmas? You know?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
No, the grape leaves, rice wrapped in grape.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
A container of it when you said that I was picturing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That amazing Tahini from soom oh yeah, if I'm saying
they sent incredible to hei really s o o M.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Let me just pull up my screen grab for you.
I saw a thing. So now I'm getting served all
these add ADHD content things. And it was like AGD
and like it was like check your phone thing if
it like media types, you know, videos, selfie's, live photos, whatever,
and it was like if you have like a high
ratio of screenshots.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Of a ton, yeah, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Add Like like it's more about the feeling the rush
of this is interesting, I want to pursue this. Let
me screen grab this for later. Yeah yeah, and having
so many of those and obviously you can't go visit
all of them, so it's like that's the like tragic
add feeling of constant loss in mourning all the interesting things. Yeah.
(29:38):
And it's like I go through and it's like photos
whatever whatever, and then like screenshots twenty two thousand, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm not coming screenshots that I have. This is fun,
Like what are the ones you have? Twenty two thousand?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Damn bitch, And like I'm pretty sure I deleted like
I did, like, oh.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
My god, I have nineteen thousand, four hundred and twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
There it is. Fuck, I didn't realize I have that many. Okay,
I saw an insane So one of the things I
hold up combined cottage cheese and blender or food processor
mix egg, white powder with water and cinnamon. This is
one of these three ingredient bread loaves. I've seen this
cottage cheese, egg white powder, fold and raisins and then
(30:19):
this sicko you know can eat. Uh you know what.
I have been making frozen cocktails for myself at night.
Oh my god, I want to hear about this.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Because I was looking at a recipe for a frozen
espresso martini.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I decided to join in and say what we do
at the same time because we saw the same shit.
It is actually disturbing. Our brains have been infiltrated. Okay.
We both got served literally in like Discovery view and
I saw and I got the screen.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I got the screen.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
If I have the same screen grab, it's like insane.
It sent me down to then a Google search, where
then I started Google searching for others because.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That one was have you done the espresso yet?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
No, becauselast night I was I was in Ralph's looking
for espresso powder because I found my way to nom
norm g n O M g n O M with
a dash in between for her recipes. Okay, because I
knew she had a the frozen piece can be achieved
by anyone. So I went and wanted to go to her. Right,
I wanted to go to her and do a sugar
(31:20):
free Aliolos sweetened version so that I could have ninety
yeah and my blood sugar and not notice. Okay. Yeah,
So she says you can make a fake k yes
by doing rum because rum is in Kalua. I guess
doing rum and a pinch of espresso powder. Okay, so
(31:40):
you do that. That's your substance there. Aliolos is the
you know, the sweetener I choose, okay because it literally
doesn't have a bad taste. So that's nice. We've been
suffering with fucking refer tall and Stevia's bitterness for years, okay,
acting like it's working, and and last night I made
a frozen strawberry margarita for myself. Yum. It's always a
(32:03):
second if you keep that thing out on the counter,
and you do because you got a vita mix. Yep,
it just takes a quick second. You just drop it
in some frozen strawberries.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Oh my god, Jacqueline, Wait, you were gonna make me
pina clatdas like years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I haven't forgotten the other day I was going to
and then my coconut cream cans were expired.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yu fuck. I think I'm gonna come by like in
the next two weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I'll prepare, I'll make sure I have the ingredients, and
I want you to make me nachos and then yeah, easily.
And then it's funny because it's like all of the
education is all too like it's all in preparation for
the fantasy of this kind of buckan allience. Bitch. It's
(32:44):
like the whole thing is okay, so that I could
eat a loaf of bread. So I'm picture myself there
with a huge picture of frozen cocktail, a loaf of
bread for me, a loaf of bread for you, okay,
and we just and we just eat till we're sick
and with no pack. You know, at all times when
you're obsessively doing something like what what is the end
(33:06):
thing that you have latched onto that you're no longer
even questioning, right, yeah, yeah, that's your end goal. But
espresso Martini.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I can't wait to get espresso martinis zen frozen bitch.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Remember when we had those frozen peanutiladas at the at
the airport. One of the best pina coladas I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I repeat outdoor airport bar in turks and cake disordering them.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I gave us the courage, I said, we're doing. I
don't see a blender. I go, it's on the fucking man.
It's back there somewhere. And by the way, not only
was it back there, it was to the front. He
whipped those up so quickly. Oh my god, the rum
floater on top. Fuck that? Will you know? It's interesting?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
By the way, that will turn your dad around, I
would argue, a penia colada not only turns the present,
A pinia colada will wretch so actively improve the sins
of the day. A frozen pinu clata has this ability
to lift unlike anything else.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Well, it's you know, to bring vacation home. It's it's
that whole thing. I mean what I feel I'm getting
away with when I make a frozen cocktail at home,
like like I couldn't fucking believe it. Last night, like
I was like, and I don't even have all the
ingredients I need, Like, oh, you know what I did
at home a mojito okay, because I had. I was like,
I don't fresh mint. All I needed was mint lime,
I think, and rum okay, and I got to go in.
(34:30):
Then I was like, let's turn it into a frozen
threw it in the blender. Delicious. There's something else I
was trying. And what did I else that I want
to make? I mean, I've been really enjoying actually my
vitea chocolate you know with Aulgien Dumpty with the bone broth,
vanilla protein and you're into it. I mean, what's not
to like? And chocolate delicious powder?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
We haven't talked about it. I recommended it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And then it's a full yes, and it's a full.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
What vanilla powder are you using? Because I need a
good protein powder.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
The one the one I paid one hundred bucks for. Remember, Wait,
how's it working out? I mean, oh wait, I have
going to say. Here's a huge answer, a letter but
one one word arm or Okay, here we go, here
we go, here we go. And by the way, Armor
Corporate needs to hear this. I've paid out of pocket
now multiple weeks. I bought to start.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
The thirty the travel pack thirty day ran through that,
I reapped for the at home canister and the thirty
day pack.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So I just want to take So I recommended this
to you, I said, Kate.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Now it is colostrum, yeah, which is like whatever the
vine cock. It's like, it's like it's both the cockst cow.
It's I think it's more of the are you sitting down?
Are you sitting down? I put it right in my mouth.
I don't mix it into something else. I remember reading
on the back. On the back, they go, you can
(35:53):
put it right in your mouth or in a drink.
I go, well, I'm not an animal, s i'all we
mix it into a drink cut too, and why not
give it the un flavored regular kind right in the mouth.
Tastes like milk, tastes like powdered milk. It's kind of
kind of love it. I also know, I say, you
can up to two scoops a day.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, I know. And now I'm gonna up it. Okay,
I'm starting to up it around here because so I
was also going to joy I'm experience.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Sorry, I've been feeling a new level kind of some
some positive joy.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And is it italy?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Is that my life?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Is it the personal work? What is it?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Is it armor?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
The arm?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I've been having a huge Is it armor?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, if you want to let the placebo effect like
boost you further go into the testimonials, Oh I did
before I purchased them. Lives change. So another thing I'll
say about the armor is that so I was dumping
into my so the vanilla bone broth powder right that
I ordered, the vital chocolates, proteins right, and the armor
(36:45):
powder in that now an ice okay, in water okay, Now,
I was blending that thing up and it was filling
like six cups. Okay, it was. It was blowing so
blowing up so much that it was like I was
pouring for Chris and I'm like, sorry, there's two more
cupfuls coming your way. Wait, what do you mean? It
was just like you know, like like like okay, Like
here's a classic tip. If you ask for espresso dropped
(37:08):
into your frappuccino, a grande frappuccino at Starbucks, Okay, it
causes it to swell and puff up to a point
where it can't fit in the grande cup. So I
would have to say, I get back in the day,
you know, get the grande frappuccino with two shots of
espresso in there. If I can have that an event
ee cup, thanks, because I want everything load from from
those volumes. The volume. Yeah, so you know they might
(37:30):
not understand, and then they then they do when they
go to make it. So it was puffing up and
I was taking that for granted, and then I think
I forgot to put the armor in it. I think
that's the puff up because I'm going, where's my volume?
So the armor might be like the key to having
Bacchanalia chocolate shake, And I'm wondering if it's If it's
(37:53):
the armor is like, what's puffing it to the moon.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Speaking of puffing to the moon, I would like I'm
forgetting what the brand is called. But I saw on Instagram.
I know that you're gonna want those, a little missy.
It's already silicon wrapped glass vessel that has a built in.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Whisk What Yeah, okay, glass.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Vessel wrapped in smooth, silky silicon. Yes, built in whisk
And by the way, I'm gonna just find out what
it is because I want I want to formally bake.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Boom boom boom boom, not ba. This is going to
do the work of mix.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I'm gonna find it right now because I want to
do a formal on air post because I want it
in my hands in the next seven business days.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Okay, I I think we've been slacking on begging.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
By the way, it's somewhere in my screenshots, don't we
know we have the sart of the v I feel Okay,
keep going.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
So the purpose of that, let's just take a minute,
is what.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, what you're describing so you could have if you
want to go, Yeah, mix up your powers in there,
ostensible your macha.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I doubt it on the go. Why though, because you've
got four kids? Why I like, remember the blendjet Okay, yeah,
that failed you and the whole thing with that. No,
that was because I was trying to create lemon drink
on the road and it's like it's crazy like psychosis. Okay, yeah,
you know I found it VISP.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I know it started with the v VISP, the bottle
that whisks your protein shakes, whisk and enjoy your superfoods.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
In fifteen seconds. Do you think they tested bisp a
bottle of wisps and it wasn't really working bisp Oh
yeah maybe, I mean because it doesn't sound good. So
it's so it whisks. It's going to create froth. It's
going to create a bit of oh key key thing.
According to Pawlla of No No, okay, if you make
your espresso martini, you need to use hot espresso, just
(39:41):
just made because when you dump that in the hot
espresso and shake it up with the ice. Okay, yeah,
that's what creates that froth. Oh if the espresso is
cold or room temperature, you're not gonna get the froth.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Okay, this is huge news, by the way, huge news.
I got confused because the frozen espresso. They're frozen in
an ice cube tray. Yes, I'm talking about you're talking
about a classic. A classic, I mean because imagine mixing
it up at home and there's no frod. I'm just
gonna say this. You and I are getting Italian food
on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I'm so excited. They have an espresso martini. Will you
be getting one with me? And do you believe because
I was with John in New York we had espresso
Martini's top of the meal wasn't the right move? Too
much sweetness for the top.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's a dessert drink, isn't it right? Right? But also
I hate a dessert drink when you're like already full.
It's sort of like, technically, even though it's worse for
blood sugar, it's probably why I love it. I kind
of almost think, you know, it's exactly not how you're
supposed to do it, but like, nothing better than like
an ice cream colnor and an empty stomach. It's fucking phenomenal. Instead,
it's like I'm super full for my meal and I'm
(40:47):
trying to like force down and see something, and the
sweetness is like petting my mouth to soothe my stomach.
It's like, yeah, I'm like, oh, okay, it tastes good.
So all to say, what would I start with? How
sweet are they? An espresso martini? Oh, I've had some
(41:08):
bad I had a bad margarita at the Grove.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Where'd you go, honey?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I went to I forget what it's called, but it
was a it's like the one that is just like
a literal freestanding bar.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, I know, shoo by the fountain.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And I went to Sephora, purchased something, brought it home.
The box was empty. I repurchased Benefit twenty four hour browjel,
which I love.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, the box was empty.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Which was Is it Carmik retribution for all the shoplifting
I've done? I mean, by the way, I'm gonna have
to take the box back and go Guys, are they
gonna think I'm lying?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Are you afraid that they'll doubt you?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Well, I'm gonna say to them, are you absolutely out
of your mind?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I did a test of a product that was like
outside at the grill of like a like someone and
they're like, and if you decide to buy, we walk
you over to Sephora personal nightmare, you know, and then
you buy, Like this is a promotion we're doing. You know,
It's like I can't remember it, can't remember. Walk you
to Sephora. You like, we'll walk you over and get
the foundation whatever. Okay, here's a question, Kate. I purchased
(42:11):
the Ilia serum tinted and serum SPF. I'm on my
fourth bottle. I'd say, so something amiss because it stinks. Wait, okay,
someone else has said this to me. Am I crazy?
I don't notice it.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I opened up and I was like, so it's rotted. Wait,
you're joking. I'm intended to go smell one. I'm very
sensitive to smell, go sniff it. I wonder what right
now on.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Air, I'm going because you were not.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Someone else was like, yeah, it just smells so bad,
and I lied, I went, oh, I know, but I thought,
what smells like absolutely normal cosmetics to me. So either
I've been lucky, maybe there are some weird batches floating around.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I don't know. I mean mine smells like makeup, just
very regular makeup. Really, yeah, you don't smell it kind
of how would I describe it? Kind of?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Oh no, it smells like lipstick. It smells like the
is completely inoffensive.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
So this is a serious question, and I think it
Alien needs to answer for it by sending large batches
to HQ over here, right because and I was like,
fuck it. I was like, maybe this is the good stuff,
clean beauty, you know. I was like, it's fermented, I
don't know, like weird like and it's not. It's once
(43:34):
it's on the skin, I don't smell it. I'm not
walking around sniffing it on my own upper lip. You
know what I mean. Yeah, but when I'm applying it,
it's still wet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
When it's wet for me, it is smells just like makeup,
and I wear that constantly.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I just think, yeah, I think something's amiss here clearly.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
By the way, I went in there with like this
idea that you put in my head of like you're
probably formosa okay, because I'm I went in and that
form rasel was like number two. Yeah, and I go
like to the people like let's just see you know
what I mean, Like what do you think? And they
like give me like fucking number nine. Shut up. Yeah.
It was like what's your name? It was like ten away.
I was like ten away from what you thought. No.
(44:14):
But the other thing was hustle. She was like you
can get you can kind of get away with like
lighter a series of these because they are so sheer.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
You know, it's pretty solid, full proof folks. The thing
about ilia, which the skin serum, it does make you
like there's the shininess of it. Does that bother you?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
No, because you know me, I'm always choosing oiled up
like yeah, moisture, you know, preparing for the day it
matters instead of of course the daily there's another like
product thing. Oh you know what I have been using.
I think it was sent to us and I think
it is moon juices pump like jelly or something or hyaluronic.
(44:54):
You know, I'm been slapping that on.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
How was it?
Speaker 1 (44:56):
You know? Good? Good, no complaints.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I need a new serum. This is a formal call
out to everyone. All right, I need a new serum.
What serum are you using?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well? Are you all done? Yeah? With everything that's been
sent you're.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
From the Storm. I didn't get a Storm serrum. Oh
I'm through my Storm serum.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Years ago, like glow drops or something. Yeah, I didn't
get glow jobs. I got night jobs.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
We've got different products from Storm because we asked for them.
What do you mean they just sent us different things?
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Are you fucking joking? They just went rogue. We've been
through this. We've been through this. Rog They went rogue
and decided caper Lant will give her this. Yep, they
went rogue. But I need a new cave But with
fucking caveats, I guess.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I'm out of my dow skin, which I really like serum?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Which one do skin?
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Remember?
Speaker 2 (45:39):
I was trying to get you.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Oh yeah, d I e U Actually, so I followed
the account. Take a hag center recommendation to follow the account.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I'm out of the most recent serum.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Like they like, what's like triple triple serenity or something
like that. I love it. So I followed a hag
Center recommendation to follow. I believe the woman who is
the creator of that line because of the way she
talks about skincare I may have chatted on and I
was following her account, and I was getting even more
(46:12):
excited about that brand because I was seeing the thinking
behind it, you know what I mean. I want to
read about that.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I love also the serenity of using a full line,
and I like that it's the serum. They have the
under eye and they have the cream, which I really like.
That moisturizer comes in that big tube.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I'm just looking at their the options.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
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pharmacy finds that are actually worth it. I mean, this
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Speaker 2 (46:47):
I have to leave like now, actually because I'm looking
up where I have to go, and I have to
I'm naked.
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Speaker 2 (46:57):
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Hi, I'm Kate Berlan, I'm Jacqueline Novak, And this is.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Friends, two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is
our hell, This is our naked desire for free products.
This is poog. Today's topics, loosely speaking, the usual huffed
to the moon, remain curious. Greetings, greetings, good afternoon. You know,
(00:29):
people ask me why I say greetings, and I think
it is sometimes, Hey, it's too much, you know what
I mean? Hi, Yeah, it's too much. Shift to sing? Yeah,
a tone? Hey, like greetings, you can say an a
tone and something's built into it. I can really greetings
and it's like there's something kind built into it, being
(00:51):
formal language. I think, yeah, let's just see do it?
Did I screen grab some stuff?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I have something right out of the gate. Two things, Yeah,
let's hear it. Contact.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
There's three things.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But first of all, have you heard about this this
wellness hack? This thing that's that you shouldn't drin coffee
right when you wake up. Are you aware of this?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah? I've pitched it on pood before. It's Huberman is
big on this you have to wait ninety minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So I have a friend who is always mystifying to
me because he parties constantly, yeah, like up all night,
but then hikes every day and like but uh he
was like, oh yeah, like you can't drink coffee right
when you wake up? He does like the nineties didn't
give her a single reason. No, And then I mean,
Huberman has reasons. I you know, I don't exactly recall
(01:37):
it there. I'll just say I tried twice and I've
been And what he says is start pushing by fifteen
minutes because I'm wake up. Let's get the water boiling immediately.
It's like, course, okay, push, push push. And then I
had this experience the other day where I woke up, say,
an hour and fifteen minutes past, and I just was like,
let's approach this with curiosity.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Right, We're gonna hate curiosity, I know, I mean, just
non judgmental curiosity, trust foundation.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Out What if I were curious about this instead of
just going straight to the judgment and pain or the reaction. Yeah,
but I did remain curious and it worked. And then
I also had shocking community levels at all time high.
So I live walking distance to two major coffee shops. Yes,
and I'd go there sometimes, but I really make my
own coffee at home, and so this was part of
my kind of wake up. I put on some jeans,
(02:23):
threw on some clothes, walked to the coffee shop with
a book.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
This was maybe eight thirty. Am you believe it? Are
you carrying it in your hand or in a bag?
I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
In my hand I only had because I had Can
you believe this left my house unlocked?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well? Locked?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I had like a key hidden right like true small
town life?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Went with my book. Are you sitting down all the listeners?
You don't lock your home rightly? Ive?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
From now on, I went without my phone.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You can believe it? Really?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Nineteen oh four level? Oh my god, I'll be curious.
There off no exactly. And I sit there drinking my
coffee outside, and there are these two people that I
see in my neighborhood, and I've noticed them from time
to time. We've never spoken, but I am sitting there
and then they come and sit and then I'm not
(03:12):
kidding everyone that walks by, Hey, Hey, how you doing
by name? Hey Chuck? How's the fucking really house? Yeah,
but you want part of it? No, no, no, I'm
observing this. These two neighbors. Oh you guys want a town,
right Yeah, yeah, I'm not kidding. Okay, and I'm going
what so that I start kind of feeling like I
want to get in on this. So I'm sitting there,
I'm reading. Eventually, so it's an older man with a
(03:34):
younger who I assume is his girlfriend. Okay, and he
does the classic what you're reading to me?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Wait? Is he one of the ones that was partaking already?
He was in the he was one of the his.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Girlfriend, the ones planted at the coffee shop talking to
everyone who walks by.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, got it, got it? Got it? So now they
decide to add to their rogue gallery.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah. So that he turns behind there and he goes,
what you're reading? Okay, and I go I normally i'd
be like he's christ, but I'm feeling like I want
to connect with the neighbors. Yeah, we start talking about
Carl Young. He starts saying stuff it's like not really accurate.
I'm just like I'm not going to crack to him
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I'm like, yeah, I know about Young, yeah, or just
kind of like Freud.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's just like, I'm like, this is not really it,
but you know, God bless the attempt to talk. And
then of course it is what always happens, right, It's like,
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So, oh no, here we go. And then I keep
it vague. We're talking about creativity whatever. She's a musician,
But the point is ultimately a positive experience introduced by name.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I then start to wrap up. I sat out there
for an hour outside yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Then I leave, and then immediately I have the wow
that I'm so transformed by community.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And then immediately I have this gut punch.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I can never go back to the coffee shop because
now I'm gonna have to talk to him for an
hour every time, which is not real. I can set
those boundaries. But I did get scared. Yeah, but I
love being able to walk down the street.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Hey, by name.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That is everything and happened to me at a coffee shop,
not my usual. I walk up, the guy behind the
counter goes the usual, and everyone hurts see you, Yes,
here we go, and then I'm sailing yeah and I've
been Then you wept wept instantly turned behind me to
the other patrons. Can you believe that did a whole thing?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, oh you did one of those started doing the
meta that you're doing here. Yeah, community, Am I right, folks?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah? Yeah, I went hard.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Did I love it? Did they give you.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Up? Left to me on their shoulders practically?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And then I.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Sometimes feel like the Jewish culture has given me a
skill that allows me to dazzle in those scenarios. And
I can't help but feel like that, like like it's
a secret weapon and obligation. It's kind of like, oh
I can sort of instantly like transgress charmingly with a stranger.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, yeah, I understand completely.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And I just I associate it with the kind of
worsh belt. I don't know, Yeah, I feel like it
came down from through the borsch belt.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, by the way it did, it's insane strolling you
miss honor the ancestors through carrying on that tradition. Okay,
So that was the coffee community I formed. And then
oh sorry, sorry, sorry, Oh look at that she's back
on Celsius, folks. And then the next day, the next day,
I go, I'm going to go to the rival coffee shop,
the other one, okay, which for some reason like that
one's ways more crowded. I don't want to partake in that.
I felt like I was in Europe. No, I was embarrassed.
(06:21):
It was packed. I sat off to the corner, damn
with a Americano for here in the porcelain cup. Oh wow, wow,
sat there, unbelievable, ran into someone wasn't scary.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
In fact, I saw them come in. I could have
I could have done an ignore. Instead, I went, hey,
holy sh I was feeling so yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Can you believe that I didn't turn away. I didn't
turn away, I didn't hide. I went for it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
We end up talking for I would say four minutes,
four to six minutes, learn a little bit about them.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I thought you were from Oh you're kidding, I'm sailing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Oh my god, yeah, talking about our lives, talking about
or from.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh sorry, I'm just gonna be sharp, shooting pain in
the head. Oh oh whatever, take me back to the
coffee shop.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So this coffee shop felt like Paris, and I was
really amazed, and I thought, Okay, I'm gonna start coming
here every single day.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Hey, coffee shop. Someone seated with a here not to go, okay,
cup screams out. I mean, that's almost like that's like
they should be afraid. I know a woman with a
here cup porcelain.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I know I need to Then I saw something happen
that warmed me. Where there was a table in the shade.
There was a it was like a fore top. There's
a woman sitting there, I will say, discouraged by the
amount of laptops. Of course, everyone's on their screens, devastating.
And then there's a woman sitting there at the table.
And then I see this other coffee shop goer come
over with her tablet.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
She's looking around, where do I sit?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I'm watching this. I'm watching this. Oh, first day of
school cafeteria? Right where do I sit? And she goes
up to the woman says, do you mind if I
perch her on the end of the table.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
She said, purchase. That sounds like Camber Lentley.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah. Maybe she didn't say yeah she, but I heard
her say kind of laughed. I promise not to bother you.
Oh no, of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
They hit it off. No, you heard them hitting it off.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I watched them talking, talking, laughing. Oh yeah. And then quietly,
as we call parallel play, what kids do next to
each other, having separate experiences. I watched them doing their works.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They settled into their works. Huge because if it had
been like a they hit it off. But fuck now
I have a cafe to get out of this. Yeah, yeah,
and I guess I didn't get my work day at
the cafe. The fact that they were able to descend
into parallel play.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The sweetest thing I've ever seen is huge, huge, huge,
And they were still there when I left, tapping away
and yeah, that was so.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Then I was like, well, this is what I'm we
do every day.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I haven't been back since, of course, but that was
only about four days ago, the other huge, very Poog
(09:06):
related event. So I texted you, so, has anyone have
the eavesdroppers heard of prolong? This is a fasting mimicking
five day plan that I've heard about since.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And you mentioned, yeah, like since the eighties. I've heard
it come out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Oneith used to talk about it, okay, Pamela Salzman, who
I used to follow a lot her online recipes.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm familiar but okay, used to.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Talk about it. I've seen it forever. You know. It's
like Jen Aniston swears my prolong you know whatever. Okay,
So it's basically like state sanctioned starvation. You know, it's
like one day, it's five days.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
They whittle you down. You don't get it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's like they whittle you down, like like day one
is like your big girl day and you get like crackers, olives,
powdered soup in like two bars.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Is big girl meaning I mean your big girl pants
and fast like a fuckoh? Or is it?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I was saying big girl day because the first day,
which is still starvation, is like the most you're going
to get in five days.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh, like you're a big you need to get your
crack crow. Today is slob.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So I was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So I talked to a few friends who'd done this
and they were like both men, they were like mental
clarity reach. It's like astonishing course. And then my other
friend was like, you know, what's amazing just five days
where you aren't thinking about like your meals because that's
such a huge and I was like right, right, right.
So it's like I'm kind of curious here, and I'm like, okay,
I'm gonna do it. And I tell a few people
I'm like I've tried to get I believe I tried
(10:32):
to rope you in.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I tried to rope Gohn really interesting. You didn't explicitly
say do you want to do this now? I did
immediately go wait did this get sent you for free?
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And I was like, I pay it, I pay it,
I pay yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah. So I'm kind of like, okay, I'm looking at
my schedule, going all right, you know these are two
days I'm going to hang out with my parents a lot,
you know, not going to be super social. I'll be
able to do just genuinely.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
We're like curious.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes, I swear I've been curious about this thing for years.
I'm like, what if I'm like reaching new heights and
I you know, what.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Is about spiritual clarity? I'm just gonna not something you
decided was self breiat.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And if my abs are rock hard by the.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
End, yeah, back from Rome, you.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Know, by the way, absolutely I thought, Oh, back from Rome,
I'm gonna want to you know, kind of pull back.
Needless to say, I got more ripped in Roman i've
ever been in my life. There's no need And the
food was the cleanest, most indulgent, as ever, indulgent as
ever and never been better. Let's just say didn't last
the full day. Let's just say broke night one. So
(11:37):
cut that text for you. And at some point and
it didn't. I never replied.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I was just like, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I was weak, and I was like, well, I can't
have that. I was hungry, which of course I just
didn't expect that one. I mean, i mean, day one
is the hardest.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, well, of course you're not going to I mean
it wouldn't be at yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
When I was like I'm really gonna I did do
the Master Cleanse. I mean, let's just oh my god,
course for about eight days.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Eight days of cayenne. Oh, and then I remember you
broke it with a white Russian.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, because I forgot I was on the fast. I
was at a stand up comedy event and I go,
that looks like just the drink I want. And then
was like, fuck and have the most exquisite fucking Chinese food.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Days on the Master Cleanse.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Jesus, I was doing my Kundolini yoga video dance, the
chakras et cetera setting on my parents rug, you know, meditation,
you know, the whole thing, and I mean part of
it was just I was so fucking frustrated with how
I could not eat even the lightest meal without immediately
(12:48):
needing to fucking sleep with my feeling. And so it
was like it was just sort of like, I don't know,
it was a lot of things. It was interesting, but yeah,
I mean, it's it's definite. Is like you know, you
settle into it and you and you're there. It is
I don't know, it's like but yeah, it's like it's
(13:09):
like shocking at first and then like you adjust. But
I don't think I mean, I I couldn't do that
as a integrated like well, I'm having a busy week,
so I'll just remove food from the week, Like it
would have to be like retreating cartile no even even
like maybe that, I guess, but like it would have
(13:31):
to be more like I don't want to have a
regular week in which like I'm fasting to the point
where I could have mental clarity, but I'm like in
the middle of doing some shit, like I want to
be like, Okay, you're going to this cabin. Yeah, and
you know, I don't even know, I mean, because the
other thing is like what am I hoping for? Like
(13:53):
at this point, what am I looking for? Right? I
mean here, it is here, it is. I don't need enlightenment, okay,
and I know what's what That's not the issue, you
know what I'm saying, like soaring to heights, like seeing
like the glory of it all, like yeah, like I
feel that often.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, the problem is the day to day getting through that.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
The problem is like the basics. Yeah, so like I
would be better served by a week of boot camp
of like, well, a week of boot camp. I guess
I was gonna say boot camp of like you know,
getting up, brushing my teeth, putting on my clothes, Okay,
and then it was just like, yeah, I'd be better
(14:36):
served by that. I'm more like the wonder of it
all is what's in my way if anything. You know,
it's like constant epiphanies. Like it's like, yeah, I know,
I know you're getting.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
In this spiritual you know, the spiritual material constantly, is
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, so like you know, the medicine isn't I mean
because I would go off in theory, I would go
off and do the thing, the whatever the fuck it is, right,
whether the fast or the ayahuasca or something or whatever,
go in this spiritual retreat like if you could promise
me that when I came home, Like, boy, was I
good at mailing things?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah, Like that's the executive functioning? Is that
an all time low? The forms? I really?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Continually I got one of these forms, I got one
of these things in the mail. It's like, oh, you
gotta get your car, get this mag check.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You're fucking kidding me. You're fucking kidding me. You think, oh,
I got to take this thing in. And then it
was like, see there's a number on the bottom of
call that number.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah. And by the way, this like registration every year laughable.
You have to are you guys? Who the fuck? You
don't even have I don't even have kids. I don't
have a job where I have to keep regular hours.
I live like a fucking swab, right, or like I'm
like this glorified pig. Yes, and I can't imagine what
(16:08):
if I Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Right, you just mean technically the flexibility.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes, I don't have the daily anchors of got to
get the kids up, which told you I considered having
kids just to be reproductive, right, just to get my schedules.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Limit the time so that you could only write between
seven and nine exactly, well, really, your productivity goes to
the roof with Carymond Carver said that you should always
feel like the chair is about to be pulled out
from under you because like, oh you're writing. Yeah yeah,
oh my god. But he also said everything you need
I think to write, you know, life experience wise, like
happens before you're eighteen. Shut up. I like that. And
(16:43):
also that's cool. Yeah, like you don't need to I mean,
intemous writer, it's like, yeah, take you know who fucking cares?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, this guy's so sadlf go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
But if it's good, if you like it, then you
take it and you keep on moving. Uh. You know
these quotes, right, they serve to legitimize whichever side you're
living at the moment. Yes, so if it's okay, you're
gonna have kids, Oh, my artistry is gonna be fucked
well so and so you know or fucking what's his name?
Fucking Jesus new Heart Bob Newhart, Bob new Heart. Yeah,
(17:18):
sounds weird like an accountant and can only write write
his jokes like you know, like that kind of shit.
Oh I understand what, Bob? What Let me just double
jack Chris Chris Bob Newhart accountant had to write his
jokes like in the evenings. Yeah, it's true, that's cool
(17:38):
something like that. Okay, that's so that's where you go.
You know, that's like, you know where my dad's telling
me to get seek gameful employment when you know what
I mean, like whatever, it's like you need you know, no,
just flying through my mind. I remember like advice, man,
Advice I mean should only be seen as perhaps it's
(17:59):
either a thought you you've already had or a thought
you didn't already have. But just because you didn't already
have it doesn't mean it's it's not good. So it's
just another option of a way of thinking about things
all fucking is. I don't know, I like googled like
the words self reliance, like in the fucking middle of
the night a couple of weeks back, and then was
like what popped up, you know, immediately served Ralph Waldo
(18:21):
Emerson self Reliance that essay which has there you're going
but literally have you read because it has a couple
of quotes in it that I've clung to over the year.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I'm revisiting the thing like what like what hunger for
the quotes.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, let me see if I can pull them up,
because I have a sloppy version of them. And then
let's see where did I download it? Classic eyebook eyebooks
scenario reading a book called The Talent Code. Greatness isn't born,
It's grown. Here's how Okay, self reliance and other essays.
I'll explain why I was reading that too, bookmarks and highlights. Okay,
(19:01):
Oh yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You know what I think I've really gotten from you?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
What?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
All right? You're you're you saying?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
All right? Oh really I really need notice. I do
that constantly, and I do that. Did I get that
from you? All right?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Like alone?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Like I'll be like doing things. I'm like, okay, all right,
all right, I hear it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's funny. I don't know. All right, So I'm going
to redo a good solid two did I just do it? Okay?
I'm going to read good solid two paragraphs? Go okay,
because I think it's fucking worth it. Here we go,
all right, and stop me if you if you space,
if you're driving, pull over. Okay. So this is him
(19:38):
giving an anecdote that leads into our idea. Okay, I
read the other day some verses written by an eminent
painter which were original and not conventional. Slow down, okay, yeah, no,
let's let's let's okay. So I tried to because it's
written in weird language. In that way, I'm trying to
give you the vibe. Okay, But so let's go piece
by piece. They got it all the time in the
world is pook?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I read the other day some verses written by an
eminent painter, got it which were original and not conventional. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
By the way, the acting that you're doing really helping
me metabolize the material.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Okay, that's what I'm trying to do. That's what acted out,
act it out. Okay, Okay, are you ready? Okay? The
soul always hears an admonition in such lines. Let the
subject be what it may Okay, Okay. So I read
some good verses by an eminent painter that were original,
and the soul here is in you know, original lines
(20:34):
like that, a latent admonition, right, yeah, no matter what
the subject is. Okay, now I'm translating in full, okay,
but the sentiment they instill is of more value than
any thought they may contain Okay, okay, and that's still
just setting up the sentiment. And here's what it is.
I'd say, to believe your own thought, to believe that
what is true for you in your private heart is
(20:55):
true for all men. That is genius. Oh fuck yeah, Okay,
does this honey, Okay, Okay, speak your latent conviction and
it shall be the universal sense.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
For the inmost, in due time becomes the utmost, and
our first thought is rendered back to us by the
trumpets of the last judgment. Okay, whatever, whatever, Okay, I
don't have to cling too heavy to this, okay, because
we're getting to the part that's key familiar, as the
voice of the mind is to each the highest merit.
We ascribe to Moses, Plato and Milton Space. Okay, I didn't,
(21:30):
and my acting was because I went off Christ Judas.
I was like, I need I need to learn more
about Judas. Yeah, go back way is that they said it?
Not that, not books and tradition, and this book not
what men what they thought. Okay, So wait n A
U g H T not like as in nary few. Okay,
(21:53):
I think anyway, it doesn't matter, it works kind of
work through it Okay. Ready, So he's saying saying that
we ascribe this genius to them, when in fact they're
just speaking the universal, familiar, interior mind with courage kind
of I think. Okay, So we ascribe the highest merit
to Moses, Plato, and Milton, and they set at not
books and traditions, and spoke not what men, but what
(22:13):
they thought. Okay, okay, so here we go. This is
actually the part I highlighted. Okay, and we'll stop, okay,
but stop as needed. Okay. Actually, let's let it wash
over once, because you do a washover, then the meaning
might come about versus trying to go word by word.
Let's try this once. A man should learn to detect
and watch that gleam of light which flashes across his
(22:36):
mind from within, more than the luster of the firmanent
of bards and sages. Yet he dismisses without notice his
thought because it is his. Okay, In every that this
is where it is, this is what fucking are you ready?
In every work of genius, we recognize our own rejected thoughts. Huge, huge,
(22:59):
I know the line. I know that line. Okay. They
come back to us with a certain alienated majesty. Hi, No,
I guess I have chills. Okay, Yeah, that's the line
that I always Okay, that I've probably brought up on POV.
So I have an anecdote here. Okay. So great works
of art have no more affecting lesson for us than this.
They teach us to abide by our spontaneous impression. Okay,
(23:23):
this is actually huge, and I'm gonna because this is
the next level. Okay, but let me just let me
say it again. So great works of art have no
more affecting lesson for us than this. They teach us
to abide by our spontaneous impression with good humored inflexibility.
Then most when the whole cry of voices is on
the other side. Okay, good humored inflexibility. That's cool, because
(23:45):
that's like the not saying no to the rejected thought, right,
and then here it goes Otherwise. I'm translating because it
says else. Okay, but else Tomorrow a stranger will say,
with masterly good sense, precisely what we have thought and
felt all the time, and we should be forced to
take with shame our opinion from another, our own, from another,
(24:07):
our own. I left it for another fuck brutal.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
This is good. This is really good. So by the
way I'm loving is that it I'm loving that a
little more. And I remember that alienated all this, Well,
this is just what it's reminding me of.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Is in a cabalistic tradition.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yes, there's an idea when in like rabbinical kabala, when
they talk about reincarnation, because I've been I've been on
a real reincarnation kick.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, here we go. Okay, well here we fucking go.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, but one thing I'll say in Kabbala, there's
this idea. It's like, you don't say you believe. It's
not I believe in reincarnation. I believe in God or something.
It's knowing. It's what you already know. It's not belief,
it's knowing. Right, So it's like knowing. It's like what
you're what you're saying with that with what you just read.
(24:57):
It's like that internal the recognition what's come before, which
is what wisdom is. And they say when you're reading
a book and you go, oh fuck, I love this recognition.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You knew it. Yeah, it's what you already know. Yes,
And that's to say belief. And I'm just interpreting. But
like belief creates a separation between you and an idea,
right it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Actually the idea is like, you know, if someone says, like,
if I look at you, Jack, I'm like, yeah, you
were a fucking you were on ships in your past life. Yeah,
in like in the past life you were on a
goddamn ship. You go, yeah, right, it's not like you're
because it strikes you.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Know that, Yeah, I mean and it only it only
I mean yeah. And the evidence continues to mount, and
the evidence continues to mount.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
But I like that idea of attaining wisdom is or
whatever as as just knowing, a recognition and knowing as
a as a returning to a knowing exactly, a return
to knowing, not some kind of like not a belief
in something outside yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And here he's talking about great works of art, right,
and he's saying like they remind us that we already knew,
you know, And I love it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's so brutal. What do you say, you have to
endure your idea in someone else's voice.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Or you have to take else Tomorrow a stranger will
stay with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought
and felt all the time, and we shall be forced
to take with shame our own opinion from another horrifying right,
that is, but.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
There's also a pleasure in that, right, there's a pleasure there,
like when you're talking to someone.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
With I think, not when you have you ever articulated something?
I don't know. Maybe it's Cadenan's over content we talked
about with.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Direct consumer marketing.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, you just kind of roll out the thing and
then the other person replies and you I don't know,
I think. I don't think it's always full tragedy. There
are different layers of it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
One side of every pleasure is pain, right.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And then you know, secondarily, you know there's a time
in every men's education. And it's funny how I get
a distinct pleasure from reading these old fucking works where
they talk of humankind as man and mankind. I get
a fucking kick out of that. There's something like I
(27:12):
enjoy walking around with like a notion about like or
I shall be forced to take from another man like
I think, I don't know. I guess what I'm responding
to is a common thing would be that, Oh you know,
I'm reading that, and I should be going, what about women?
But I get this pleasure about it sort of. Maybe
it's like I think I'm pulling something not intended for me,
(27:33):
and like ha I am. I don't know. You know,
this has always been a thing, but one face, one character.
I want to make some pressure on another non sculpture
as the memory. I'm hungry. God will not have his
work made manifest by cowards. I'm saying that to lure
you in Okay, to the next concept, which is just
(27:55):
you know, there's a time in every man's education when
he arrives at the conviction the envious ignorance and imitation
is suicide, et cetera. He must take himself for better
or worse as his portion right. Imitation is suicide.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
That was something I remember writing down as a youth.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, and then look how it served you. You know,
though the wide universe is full of good, no kernel
of nourishing corn can come to him, but through his
toil bestowed on that plot of ground which is given
him to till right, thank you?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Okay, hold on, that's a crack open a can a Dolmas,
what's that, dolmas? You know?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
No, the grape leaves, rice wrapped in grape.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
A container of it when you said that I was picturing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That amazing Tahini from soom oh yeah, if I'm saying
they sent incredible to hei really s o o M.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Let me just pull up my screen grab for you.
I saw a thing. So now I'm getting served all
these add ADHD content things. And it was like AGD
and like it was like check your phone thing if
it like media types, you know, videos, selfie's, live photos, whatever,
and it was like if you have like a high
ratio of screenshots.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Of a ton, yeah, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Add Like like it's more about the feeling the rush
of this is interesting, I want to pursue this. Let
me screen grab this for later. Yeah yeah, and having
so many of those and obviously you can't go visit
all of them, so it's like that's the like tragic
add feeling of constant loss in mourning all the interesting things. Yeah.
(29:38):
And it's like I go through and it's like photos
whatever whatever, and then like screenshots twenty two thousand, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm not coming screenshots that I have. This is fun,
Like what are the ones you have? Twenty two thousand?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Damn bitch, And like I'm pretty sure I deleted like
I did, like, oh.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
My god, I have nineteen thousand, four hundred and twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
There it is. Fuck, I didn't realize I have that many. Okay,
I saw an insane So one of the things I
hold up combined cottage cheese and blender or food processor
mix egg, white powder with water and cinnamon. This is
one of these three ingredient bread loaves. I've seen this
cottage cheese, egg white powder, fold and raisins and then
(30:19):
this sicko you know can eat. Uh you know what.
I have been making frozen cocktails for myself at night.
Oh my god, I want to hear about this.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Because I was looking at a recipe for a frozen
espresso martini.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I decided to join in and say what we do
at the same time because we saw the same shit.
It is actually disturbing. Our brains have been infiltrated. Okay.
We both got served literally in like Discovery view and
I saw and I got the screen.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I got the screen.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
If I have the same screen grab, it's like insane.
It sent me down to then a Google search, where
then I started Google searching for others because.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That one was have you done the espresso yet?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
No, becauselast night I was I was in Ralph's looking
for espresso powder because I found my way to nom
norm g n O M g n O M with
a dash in between for her recipes. Okay, because I
knew she had a the frozen piece can be achieved
by anyone. So I went and wanted to go to her. Right,
I wanted to go to her and do a sugar
(31:20):
free Aliolos sweetened version so that I could have ninety
yeah and my blood sugar and not notice. Okay. Yeah,
So she says you can make a fake k yes
by doing rum because rum is in Kalua. I guess
doing rum and a pinch of espresso powder. Okay, so
(31:40):
you do that. That's your substance there. Aliolos is the
you know, the sweetener I choose, okay because it literally
doesn't have a bad taste. So that's nice. We've been
suffering with fucking refer tall and Stevia's bitterness for years, okay,
acting like it's working, and and last night I made
a frozen strawberry margarita for myself. Yum. It's always a
(32:03):
second if you keep that thing out on the counter,
and you do because you got a vita mix. Yep,
it just takes a quick second. You just drop it
in some frozen strawberries.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Oh my god, Jacqueline, Wait, you were gonna make me
pina clatdas like years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I haven't forgotten the other day I was going to
and then my coconut cream cans were expired.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yu fuck. I think I'm gonna come by like in
the next two weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I'll prepare, I'll make sure I have the ingredients, and
I want you to make me nachos and then yeah, easily.
And then it's funny because it's like all of the
education is all too like it's all in preparation for
the fantasy of this kind of buckan allience. Bitch. It's
(32:44):
like the whole thing is okay, so that I could
eat a loaf of bread. So I'm picture myself there
with a huge picture of frozen cocktail, a loaf of
bread for me, a loaf of bread for you, okay,
and we just and we just eat till we're sick
and with no pack. You know, at all times when
you're obsessively doing something like what what is the end
(33:06):
thing that you have latched onto that you're no longer
even questioning, right, yeah, yeah, that's your end goal. But
espresso Martini.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I can't wait to get espresso martinis zen frozen bitch.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Remember when we had those frozen peanutiladas at the at
the airport. One of the best pina coladas I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I repeat outdoor airport bar in turks and cake disordering them.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I gave us the courage, I said, we're doing. I
don't see a blender. I go, it's on the fucking man.
It's back there somewhere. And by the way, not only
was it back there, it was to the front. He
whipped those up so quickly. Oh my god, the rum
floater on top. Fuck that? Will you know? It's interesting?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
By the way, that will turn your dad around, I
would argue, a penia colada not only turns the present,
A pinia colada will wretch so actively improve the sins
of the day. A frozen pinu clata has this ability
to lift unlike anything else.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Well, it's you know, to bring vacation home. It's it's
that whole thing. I mean what I feel I'm getting
away with when I make a frozen cocktail at home,
like like I couldn't fucking believe it. Last night, like
I was like, and I don't even have all the
ingredients I need, Like, oh, you know what I did
at home a mojito okay, because I had. I was like,
I don't fresh mint. All I needed was mint lime,
I think, and rum okay, and I got to go in.
(34:30):
Then I was like, let's turn it into a frozen
threw it in the blender. Delicious. There's something else I
was trying. And what did I else that I want
to make? I mean, I've been really enjoying actually my
vitea chocolate you know with Aulgien Dumpty with the bone broth,
vanilla protein and you're into it. I mean, what's not
to like? And chocolate delicious powder?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
We haven't talked about it. I recommended it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And then it's a full yes, and it's a full.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
What vanilla powder are you using? Because I need a
good protein powder.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
The one the one I paid one hundred bucks for. Remember, Wait,
how's it working out? I mean, oh wait, I have
going to say. Here's a huge answer, a letter but
one one word arm or Okay, here we go, here
we go, here we go. And by the way, Armor
Corporate needs to hear this. I've paid out of pocket
now multiple weeks. I bought to start.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
The thirty the travel pack thirty day ran through that,
I reapped for the at home canister and the thirty
day pack.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So I just want to take So I recommended this
to you, I said, Kate.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Now it is colostrum, yeah, which is like whatever the
vine cock. It's like, it's like it's both the cockst cow.
It's I think it's more of the are you sitting down?
Are you sitting down? I put it right in my mouth.
I don't mix it into something else. I remember reading
on the back. On the back, they go, you can
(35:53):
put it right in your mouth or in a drink.
I go, well, I'm not an animal, s i'all we
mix it into a drink cut too, and why not
give it the un flavored regular kind right in the mouth.
Tastes like milk, tastes like powdered milk. It's kind of
kind of love it. I also know, I say, you
can up to two scoops a day.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, I know. And now I'm gonna up it. Okay,
I'm starting to up it around here because so I
was also going to joy I'm experience.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Sorry, I've been feeling a new level kind of some
some positive joy.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And is it italy?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Is that my life?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Is it the personal work? What is it?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Is it armor?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
The arm?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I've been having a huge Is it armor?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, if you want to let the placebo effect like
boost you further go into the testimonials, Oh I did
before I purchased them. Lives change. So another thing I'll
say about the armor is that so I was dumping
into my so the vanilla bone broth powder right that
I ordered, the vital chocolates, proteins right, and the armor
(36:45):
powder in that now an ice okay, in water okay, Now,
I was blending that thing up and it was filling
like six cups. Okay, it was. It was blowing so
blowing up so much that it was like I was
pouring for Chris and I'm like, sorry, there's two more
cupfuls coming your way. Wait, what do you mean? It
was just like you know, like like like okay, Like
here's a classic tip. If you ask for espresso dropped
(37:08):
into your frappuccino, a grande frappuccino at Starbucks, Okay, it
causes it to swell and puff up to a point
where it can't fit in the grande cup. So I
would have to say, I get back in the day,
you know, get the grande frappuccino with two shots of
espresso in there. If I can have that an event
ee cup, thanks, because I want everything load from from
those volumes. The volume. Yeah, so you know they might
(37:30):
not understand, and then they then they do when they
go to make it. So it was puffing up and
I was taking that for granted, and then I think
I forgot to put the armor in it. I think
that's the puff up because I'm going, where's my volume?
So the armor might be like the key to having
Bacchanalia chocolate shake, And I'm wondering if it's If it's
(37:53):
the armor is like, what's puffing it to the moon.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Speaking of puffing to the moon, I would like I'm
forgetting what the brand is called. But I saw on Instagram.
I know that you're gonna want those, a little missy.
It's already silicon wrapped glass vessel that has a built in.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Whisk What Yeah, okay, glass.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Vessel wrapped in smooth, silky silicon. Yes, built in whisk
And by the way, I'm gonna just find out what
it is because I want I want to formally bake.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Boom boom boom boom, not ba. This is going to
do the work of mix.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I'm gonna find it right now because I want to
do a formal on air post because I want it
in my hands in the next seven business days.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Okay, I I think we've been slacking on begging.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
By the way, it's somewhere in my screenshots, don't we
know we have the sart of the v I feel Okay,
keep going.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
So the purpose of that, let's just take a minute,
is what.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, what you're describing so you could have if you
want to go, Yeah, mix up your powers in there,
ostensible your macha.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I doubt it on the go. Why though, because you've
got four kids? Why I like, remember the blendjet Okay, yeah,
that failed you and the whole thing with that. No,
that was because I was trying to create lemon drink
on the road and it's like it's crazy like psychosis. Okay, yeah,
you know I found it VISP.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I know it started with the v VISP, the bottle
that whisks your protein shakes, whisk and enjoy your superfoods.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
In fifteen seconds. Do you think they tested bisp a
bottle of wisps and it wasn't really working bisp Oh
yeah maybe, I mean because it doesn't sound good. So
it's so it whisks. It's going to create froth. It's
going to create a bit of oh key key thing.
According to Pawlla of No No, okay, if you make
your espresso martini, you need to use hot espresso, just
(39:41):
just made because when you dump that in the hot
espresso and shake it up with the ice. Okay, yeah,
that's what creates that froth. Oh if the espresso is
cold or room temperature, you're not gonna get the froth.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Okay, this is huge news, by the way, huge news.
I got confused because the frozen espresso. They're frozen in
an ice cube tray. Yes, I'm talking about you're talking
about a classic. A classic, I mean because imagine mixing
it up at home and there's no frod. I'm just
gonna say this. You and I are getting Italian food
on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I'm so excited. They have an espresso martini. Will you
be getting one with me? And do you believe because
I was with John in New York we had espresso
Martini's top of the meal wasn't the right move? Too
much sweetness for the top.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's a dessert drink, isn't it right? Right? But also
I hate a dessert drink when you're like already full.
It's sort of like, technically, even though it's worse for
blood sugar, it's probably why I love it. I kind
of almost think, you know, it's exactly not how you're
supposed to do it, but like, nothing better than like
an ice cream colnor and an empty stomach. It's fucking phenomenal. Instead,
it's like I'm super full for my meal and I'm
(40:47):
trying to like force down and see something, and the
sweetness is like petting my mouth to soothe my stomach.
It's like, yeah, I'm like, oh, okay, it tastes good.
So all to say, what would I start with? How
sweet are they? An espresso martini? Oh, I've had some
(41:08):
bad I had a bad margarita at the Grove.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Where'd you go, honey?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I went to I forget what it's called, but it
was a it's like the one that is just like
a literal freestanding bar.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, I know, shoo by the fountain.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And I went to Sephora, purchased something, brought it home.
The box was empty. I repurchased Benefit twenty four hour browjel,
which I love.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, the box was empty.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Which was Is it Carmik retribution for all the shoplifting
I've done? I mean, by the way, I'm gonna have
to take the box back and go Guys, are they
gonna think I'm lying?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Are you afraid that they'll doubt you?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Well, I'm gonna say to them, are you absolutely out
of your mind?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I did a test of a product that was like
outside at the grill of like a like someone and
they're like, and if you decide to buy, we walk
you over to Sephora personal nightmare, you know, and then
you buy, Like this is a promotion we're doing. You know,
It's like I can't remember it, can't remember. Walk you
to Sephora. You like, we'll walk you over and get
the foundation whatever. Okay, here's a question, Kate. I purchased
(42:11):
the Ilia serum tinted and serum SPF. I'm on my
fourth bottle. I'd say, so something amiss because it stinks. Wait, okay,
someone else has said this to me. Am I crazy?
I don't notice it.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I opened up and I was like, so it's rotted. Wait,
you're joking. I'm intended to go smell one. I'm very
sensitive to smell, go sniff it. I wonder what right
now on.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Air, I'm going because you were not.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Someone else was like, yeah, it just smells so bad,
and I lied, I went, oh, I know, but I thought,
what smells like absolutely normal cosmetics to me. So either
I've been lucky, maybe there are some weird batches floating around.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I don't know. I mean mine smells like makeup, just
very regular makeup. Really, yeah, you don't smell it kind
of how would I describe it? Kind of?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Oh no, it smells like lipstick. It smells like the
is completely inoffensive.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
So this is a serious question, and I think it
Alien needs to answer for it by sending large batches
to HQ over here, right because and I was like,
fuck it. I was like, maybe this is the good stuff,
clean beauty, you know. I was like, it's fermented, I
don't know, like weird like and it's not. It's once
(43:34):
it's on the skin, I don't smell it. I'm not
walking around sniffing it on my own upper lip. You
know what I mean. Yeah, but when I'm applying it,
it's still wet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
When it's wet for me, it is smells just like makeup,
and I wear that constantly.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I just think, yeah, I think something's amiss here clearly.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
By the way, I went in there with like this
idea that you put in my head of like you're
probably formosa okay, because I'm I went in and that
form rasel was like number two. Yeah, and I go
like to the people like let's just see you know
what I mean, Like what do you think? And they
like give me like fucking number nine. Shut up. Yeah.
It was like what's your name? It was like ten away.
I was like ten away from what you thought. No.
(44:14):
But the other thing was hustle. She was like you
can get you can kind of get away with like
lighter a series of these because they are so sheer.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
You know, it's pretty solid, full proof folks. The thing
about ilia, which the skin serum, it does make you
like there's the shininess of it. Does that bother you?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
No, because you know me, I'm always choosing oiled up
like yeah, moisture, you know, preparing for the day it
matters instead of of course the daily there's another like
product thing. Oh you know what I have been using.
I think it was sent to us and I think
it is moon juices pump like jelly or something or hyaluronic.
(44:54):
You know, I'm been slapping that on.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
How was it?
Speaker 1 (44:56):
You know? Good? Good, no complaints.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I need a new serum. This is a formal call
out to everyone. All right, I need a new serum.
What serum are you using?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well? Are you all done? Yeah? With everything that's been
sent you're.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
From the Storm. I didn't get a Storm serrum. Oh
I'm through my Storm serum.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Years ago, like glow drops or something. Yeah, I didn't
get glow jobs. I got night jobs.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
We've got different products from Storm because we asked for them.
What do you mean they just sent us different things?
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Are you fucking joking? They just went rogue. We've been
through this. We've been through this. Rog They went rogue
and decided caper Lant will give her this. Yep, they
went rogue. But I need a new cave But with
fucking caveats, I guess.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I'm out of my dow skin, which I really like serum?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Which one do skin?
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Remember?
Speaker 2 (45:39):
I was trying to get you.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Oh yeah, d I e U Actually, so I followed
the account. Take a hag center recommendation to follow the account.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I'm out of the most recent serum.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Like they like, what's like triple triple serenity or something
like that. I love it. So I followed a hag
Center recommendation to follow. I believe the woman who is
the creator of that line because of the way she
talks about skincare I may have chatted on and I
was following her account, and I was getting even more
(46:12):
excited about that brand because I was seeing the thinking
behind it, you know what I mean. I want to
read about that.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I love also the serenity of using a full line,
and I like that it's the serum. They have the
under eye and they have the cream, which I really like.
That moisturizer comes in that big tube.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I'm just looking at their the options.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
My cousin turned me on to it.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Here she is Charlotte Pallermino. Yeah, it's good shit. French
pharmacy finds that are actually worth it. I mean, this
is where you go Instagram. You've got my number. She
recommends an SPF.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I have to leave like now, actually because I'm looking
up where I have to go, and I have to
I'm naked.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Okay, Well that was fun, all right, love y'all.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Sorry to jump off so soon. Okay, bye, That was pood.
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Speaker 1 (47:07):
If not, we will press charges
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