May 11, 2021 • 52 mins
The hags deliver you a morning Poog. Colonics are the primary concern. Jacqueline had one. Kate wants one. Can they get one together? Early surgery and the romance of dying on the table, any table. Being awake while under anesthesia. The importance of Astral Projection. Pre-biotics, pro-biotics, leaky gut and extinction events. Glyphosate and Round Up causing our cells to forget their identity. Lingering in the the hypnogogic phase for creative gains.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm caper Land, I'm Jacqueline Novak, And this is poog,
an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends, two
untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell,
This is our naked desire for free products. This is
today's topics, loosely speaking, got health death by bus Kubla Khan. Well,
(00:23):
by the way, I know not always going to say
morning poog, but this is actually the earliest morning poog.
Well A true, yeah, this is this is probably the
biggest morning poog experience for me. I did one of
my classics of like I had ten alarms set, you know,
every eight minutes in the last hour to make sure.
And then I got into the shower, not in it,
(00:45):
but on its edge. I sit there, it runs on
my feet, it burns my feet, the steam warms me,
and I drink my coffee and they're huddled against the
wall of the shower. Like it's this thing of enacting
the horror of being awake and the feeling it helps
me to wake up into the world as a cold,
cold experience, even here in sunny l A. Wow, Well,
(01:07):
I woke up, Um hang on, let me think here,
I'm a little bit brain dead today. Really fine, it'll
be fine. I haven't washed my hair in um, I
guess I watched it on Saturday. Now it's Tuesday, that's
what day. Oh no, I think that's nothing. That's totally like,
don't you know, don't tell you I know that. But
(01:28):
my hair becomes you can't imagine the rat's nest in
the backroom, and it's so and I was somewhere people
were smoking cigarettes, and so I have this like cigarettes
rats nest. I mean, it's disgusting the fact that I
got into my bed with that head. But cigarettes in
the hair is so specific and such a feeling of
like it's a little glamorous to like totally totally you know,
(01:50):
have cigarettes smoked trapped in your rats nest. Absolutely really
glamor of waking up a corene or whatever like a
chorus girl in the nineteen twenties. I saw you just
using your your compact, your Westmini little bit of and
because I don't have a stitch on, and I like,
I feel like I really look and feel particularly haggard
(02:14):
this morning. And my plan was like, after we do this.
I haven't done any physical exercise in a week at least,
and so I was thinking I would do that after
pooga and then wash my hair. And this is when
we get into how you know it takes four hours
to work out. My entire day now focused around the hair,
washing of the hair post workout. Also, I won't even
(02:34):
sweat doing low impact floor plates. Not a bead will form.
Not a bead and sweating, I'm now, you know, there's
a lot of talk daytox right, shedding the toxins right,
and then I hear people say it's completely fake, it's bullshit.
Your body does that like you're not doing you know,
but the sweating thing is real, and I'm now, of
course terrified. I think I'm finally ready to get a colonic.
(02:56):
I think I've done the emotional work. Are you scared?
Not at all excited to have the conversation I've tons
to Okay, Okay, I thought you got scared. And so
I've always been scared because I've inherited that fear from
my mother among her other fears and her kind of
being like yeah, yeah, I mean like it washes out
the good bacteria are also just like it seems scary,
(03:17):
and I've always been scared that if I were to
get a calonic, it would like rupture my in tests
and I die on the table, right, I I always
go straight to death on the table. And so I'm
trying to so fabulous because I'm convinced I have like
Thanksgiving dinner from two thousand nine lodged in my upper intestine,
like it's all And you know, I'll this talk about
(03:39):
the poison in the air and the water and the food.
You know, even if you eat even if you eat
organic and even if you eat organic food, the toxins
are in the water. That it's like it's over right,
So I guess we'll talk about it during act. But
so I'm now like, okay, I need the calonic, you know,
(04:00):
maybe once a year for the rest of my life.
But it's okay. Thoughts so many one. I had a
huge problem. No, no, no, go, you got one. Dying
on the table is so fabulous. Again, the only way
to say it. I mean to imagine dying during early surgery,
like during an expert, like when they were pioneers, such
(04:23):
as the Nick my favorite, my favorite program, okay, Nick
was sensational, The Renegade Surgeon, But just generally the concept
of dying on a metal table in that way, screaming
while they you know, try to tie your you know,
your intestine work together. You're not even screaming. I think
it's worse than not screaming. It's just being you're knocked out.
You don't even know you're dying. Well, the true, the
(04:44):
true death on the table. And we might have to
return to this because because I'll forget, but but we
should talk about near death experiences on the operating table
because that's probably my favorite subject. But let's let's go there,
because talk about not knowing you're dying. You're walking down
the hallway of the room, like but wait, take me back, okay,
are you ready? One your fear of rupturing is by
(05:04):
virtue of what material? Like the clonic hose? Yeah, just
some fear. This is already so healing. You're helping me
face the fear because it's like it's not going to happen.
But yeah, I fear because I'm calm. I fear that
the water will the water itself, how shoot the Yeah,
the sheer force of the water, or there's something wrong
with me where like you know, some issue that I
have lurking in there will become dislodged, right exposed. Well,
(05:29):
a couple of things. One, it's not a hose down,
it's not a pressure wash. It's not just my pronunciation today.
Maybe maybe because you're so close to sleep and you
were just dreaming of another lifetime okay, where you had
that accent. Oh god, don't you wish to would be
(05:51):
one of those people that gets knocked on the head
and wakes up speaking another language. Imagine Imagine the indignity
of the fact that I don't that that's never happened
to me when I wanted so badly, much like a
streak of traumatized white hair. You know that, what's that?
You know there was a boy who got into an
accident and could and come to school. But when you
(06:15):
know that song, you're not you're not referencing anything. I
can pull it up to my head, but anyway, it's
it's um the shock of you know, when they get
the shock of white hair, of trauma, wake up in
the morning the day after the birds flew through the
window And okay, so so anyway, Franco, I don't know. Yeah, no,
that was just me speaking. You thought was in the
(06:35):
lyrics again? Oh no, earlier it was, but I can't
pull the name of that um that song maybe to data.
Can I just have to know now not? Of course
you're not interested. You never interested. If I bring up
a song you don't know, of course you wouldn't be
It's fair. My literacy with musicals is once again, not
a musical. This is hysterical. Okay, it's merely a song
from But it's a song that I will send you
(06:58):
later and we'll discuss it her on food because it's
really it's interesting, all right. So it's not a hose
down right, Okay, Okay, it's not pressure washing the walls
like someone doing your roof. So so it's not it's
actually a slow filling. Oh god, I'm gonna throw up.
Really you're saying slow filling. I mean that is enough
to make me just talk about diet on the table.
I just well, I mean burying the lead. I'm sorry,
(07:21):
I'm sorry skipping over a huge detail. Have you done it? Yes?
More than once? No? I mean classically, I got a
three pack or whatever on life booker. Okay, I I'm
not afraid to life. Go for a deal, even when
it when it's a minor surgery or whatever. You want
to call this. Okay, it's like literally life booker whatever,
you know what, what's that other one that whatever? Doesn't matter?
(07:43):
Thank you? I think it was group on in New
York City. It was pretty sensational and exciting experience. Um my,
my energy levels had plummeted, okay, and my abdomen was distended.
You know, two regularly of course being asked from preg
and a constant story of my life. Remind me later
(08:03):
maybe to tell you about the phone store man and
what he said. Okay. So I opted to go to
the woman's apartment okay, because she had an option of
like go downtown to the office, or she has a
set up in her home, and the set up in
her home was two blocks away. So I went to
this high rise Upper West Side. I went in. The
(08:24):
husband opens the door, he sawed haying, um, something being saute,
probably about nine ft from the hallway bathroom. The hallway bathroom. Okay,
this was set up in the hallway bathroom. Okay. So
but it was cozy, okay, And I went in and
I go like, yeah, my, you know, my stomach is
really bloated. I can't access that. For some reason in
(08:47):
my memory, it definitely wasn't the dead of winter, and
I don't recall, I'm picture maybe it was. I feel
like it was a summer feels like summer. So he
stawed haying and he's kind of like cozy and he's
like she's the best, you know, like about like she's
the best in the bibs kind of thing about about
his wife. And then I go into the little hull
bathroom and there's like a folding table in the yeah,
(09:12):
and then there's whatever is hooked up to the toilet,
like a tank or something after the sink, and I
get on the table and it's like you're getting the
fetal position trowel. Right, I don't even remember dropping trout.
It's interesting, but of course I was right. I mean
I had to nake it from the waist down. I mean,
(09:33):
I don't want call a pulling the underwear aside situation
to exactly particularly like like what the underwear is. And
I would argue it's like worse if like I feel
like there's a certain type of woman that wears like,
you know, the hanky panky, like like lace thong whatever
(09:55):
into the beauty treatments, and I'm like, I'm not that woman.
You know, it's like like a child's baggy pair of
Haines or whatever occasionally, So this is the key, okay.
And I talked about this in my book because it
was partly and I just say that as the encumulation
obviously of Jesus. It's already in text. But on the table,
(10:16):
she's going up, so I'm ready for her to insert
the tube, right, and she goes. She goes on push. Okay,
She's a push push, push, push, okay, And so I
start flexing, I start bearing guys, are flexing my anus
at her to open up the to open it up
(10:38):
like a book, like a mute frog to the night
and opening at her. And she's like push, and I'm like,
I assume she means bear down to open it up
for her, and so I'm just saying, like, I'm just
croaking it at her. And she sees she's looking at
my butt. Okay, she sees the movement and she's like, no,
(11:00):
push it in. She has to grab my hand because
she's trying to say, here, you insert it. She's only
trying to hand me. You have to do your own insertion.
That seems completely well. And so I was like, oh,
it's like the humiliation of just croaking my anus and
her like a flower singing okay in silence. So something
(11:21):
was I mean for someone to see that a movement,
for someone to see that small of a movement, and
there's an intention there. It was deeply in eminent. So
then you insert it, you had you had to physically
insert yourself. I went right there, what am I paying?
It's not going deep? And well maybe no, it's deep
because again it's a must have been just picturing like
(11:43):
a dry dry plastic shoving into your ripping. Will they
open the plastic of you know, oh this is your
fresh tube? Like you know what the problem is? You
know what the problem is, Kate. We all know. We
all now have access to like home lamination or is
(12:04):
this we all have systems now they tell she's doing,
can put their vegetables in their own plastic wrap and
seal the edges. Okay, so the technology it's no longer
factory seal. We can no longer trust it. They rip
open the plastic, scream until excited. Factory seal does not
(12:30):
the promise you think it is, okay shows down there.
I mean they say, you know the amount of trace
DNA from the jambon a documentaries you ut of trace
DNA underpants from the factory. There's trace DNA needs everywhere.
I think Tracy is like impossible to not have. Oh god,
(12:50):
it's like inspected number four to six. It's like they're
like they cough on your yes, Oh my god, of course,
And you know, in some ways it's almost comforting. I
always I was actually gonna say, there's something nice about
that artisan not full automation. Yeah, Like I saw toilet
paper going by on a video about toilet paper presumption
(13:13):
the other day, okay, and I saw it, like literally
couldn't remember the word. I was gonna say, bales of
toilet paper gay, meaning the individuals not even and they're
riding by an open air and the open air of
the factory were never protecting like of course, like they're
not sealed at every step. It's not like the papers
(13:35):
created there in the factory and open air. It's like
there is something that the erotics of capitalism. Even when
we reached the heights of automation, the human human trace
cannot be scan. Flesh will not absolute nature will find
a way. Yeah, labor inherently has sweat on it labor
(13:55):
and cannot be separated from the human body, right because
what is what is? Or no, No, I'm really I'm
just following this because um and also, I mean, you know,
a huge question is despite you know, occasional factory visits
of the school variety of Ben and Jerry's store, Okay,
I mean, can you imagine getting less like less of
(14:17):
a penetrating view of what factory work must be like
then going to the Ben and Jerry's factory, Yeah, exactly,
and they're like they have like eight people grinning, like
we get to make ice cream all day, yes, okay,
and like giving a little samples and like whatever is
there's just I guess what I'm saying is who knows,
uh god, factory life. I've just realized I have a
(14:37):
rich envisionment of factory life that is probably not accurate.
Oh yeah, we don't know what the hell is going on.
So she puts it in, she starts filling me up, okay, okay,
or I put it in. She's not a deep insertion, okay, okay, okay, anyway,
it's just you know, okay, and and then instantly starts
start filling you okay. So she flips the switch and
(14:58):
the water starts flowing in. And it's not pressure host feeling, Okay,
it's just a you'll feel a bit of pressure, light pressure, fullness. Yeah,
truly woozy Jack, you're talking, I'm like gonna fall off
my chair, But I feel like this is the exposure
you need for going to go in. No, I don't
keep going because I'm surely getting dizzy sliding down from frame.
(15:20):
Ok I mean I don't have to. I'm just keep going,
keep going. So so it's filling up, and she goes,
let me know when you need to release, Okay, when
the urge to expel comes on you. Okay. And I'm
like waiting and I'm wanting my money's worth. Do do
you understand? So I don't want paint is the classic.
(15:40):
I don't want them to stop because they think I'm uncomfortable.
Not I'm like last week with I was worried they're
gonna pull off my lash gel early and I'm gonna
have less good lash. So I'm like determined to grin
and Barrett. But I'm actually feeling almost nothing. I mean
it's slightly feeling, but I'm really not feeling anything. She's
like waiting for me to be like, She's like, now, like,
how you doing, Like wow, oh you're good, you know,
(16:02):
because I'm letting it fill me up to the neck.
Right the water is bubbling at my chin out your
mouth and shops are plumping okay, and I'm coughing it
out and win and red in the face, and and
she's just acting like I'm good. So I'm like grinning
and bearing it even further. And then I'm like, all right,
it's getting a little tight here, balloon might burst and
(16:24):
so yeah, so I release whatever, and then it's just
the water. What does she do? Pulls the hose out,
so this is still this is still via the hose,
it shoots back in. The ship goes through these well
it's not just ship. The water has to come out.
I believe the water went back the other direction. God,
that sounds unsanitary, but yeah, whats right into the box shop.
(16:46):
But when she hits release right right into the west
the reservoir, right into the box choy literally bout choice
season like and honestly didn't even gross me out, Like
it just didn't. It was really honestly comforting. The sounds
of the sette they're like, okay, you know, the garlic,
the onion in the pants. One of the greatest smells
(17:07):
in the universe. So God, I wonder if I'm misremembering this.
But she flips the switch. You're still on the table,
is my point? Right? Something has to come back out
as far as I ever call. And then and then
I think she's like, get off, get on the toilet, okay,
and her home toilet, I mean Jesus, yeah. So I'm like,
(17:28):
or maybe it was like this, Maybe it was like
do you need to go or something, and I was
like not really, like I was still fine. I hadn't
triggered the peristalsias that are whatever, And so it was like,
by the way, I acknowledge something, which is we're diving
into the world of chlonics without even once raising the
question of what the benefit of doing it is. Do
you know what? I think that's interesting And I'm not
(17:49):
even sure. I mean, there's a variety of promise benefits,
but it's like it's not even about that. It's about
like the experience. For me, I wanted blow to decrease,
I wanted digestion to improve, okay, because the blow was
the idea. Yeah, no, the idea to me was about
because you talk about Thanksgiving dinner, you want to get it.
You want to get even better detail. Sometimes you hear
(18:11):
stories about like a cram from kindergarten coming out. Now,
that's the ship that gets me hooked. Okay, that's yeah,
from but from the eighties. Yeah, like my mother's jewelry
just comes pouring out of me. Yeah. Not, that's the
ship that gets me to sign up. Oh god, I
(18:31):
think we got to go to break. There's so much
on the horizon for us. All right, off you go,
Welcome home boys, welllcome home home right now. Hello, I'll
wrap it up with the colonic. I'm trying to think,
(18:53):
what is the key detail? Right? I want to go
more detailed. I want to slow it down. All right,
we'll pull from you what you want from you. What
she goes what. So there's something like do you need
to get on the toilet. I'm like no, I'm still
not feeling anything really okay, And so then I think
I go to the the toilet and she leaves me to
go chat with the husband while I go on and
it's like nothing's really happening, or maybe a little bit whatever,
(19:14):
but it's not like some major release, and so she
comes back in. I'm like, all right, get back on
the table. She's gonna fill me up again. Okay. She
fills me up again, and this time she sort of
grabs this was when and press grabs your thighs, grabs
my belly okay, like as if by the belly fat itself. Okay,
but like a hard grip like you're trying to get
a basketball. And she starts shaking it okay, shaking with
(19:40):
the oh God, like I'm a jar of rowse okay,
to fill it up more, No, like the jar of
rowse sauce. Okay, to to to clean it out, like
there's a little left in the thing. You fill it
in the sink, you close it, You shake it up
to get the looser, to loosen it. So she's starts
shaking my belly okay, and then we start to get
(20:00):
some you know, the cramps of paristalsis or whatever. Okay,
and threw that in. Um no, I know what that.
That feels familiar. But what is that? Oh, you'll be reminded.
It's the it's the muscular the wave like muscular movements
that draw food through the through the digestion track. Doubt
(20:21):
or esophagus. It massages it down and so we got
it going. And what she said was you have a
sluggish system, like if you shoot water up your ass,
your body like should want to start booting it out, yeah,
or start like paristalcing. Mine just sat there like a bag. Okay,
what happened? And I'm like, this is my issue, right,
(20:43):
this is this is why I'm here. Okay. So it's
almost like she gets it going. It finally stimulates something. Okay,
there's like the feelings and now it's like I'm like,
go go whatever. I would never say that, it's I
would never yell go go. But it's like it's more
like me smiling like and her being like do you
need to use the toilet now, me being like thank you, okay,
you are leaving, and then me getting on the toilet
(21:04):
and whatever. Release I guess okay, but anyway I did it.
She's like, you know, come back. You know what was
devastating is I go I'm here because I'm bloated. The
guy at the phone store said I thought I was pregnant. Whatever.
I just She's like I could see you know. It's
just the brutality of the practitioner or the esthetician or
whatever acknowledging the problem that you're there to solve, like
(21:27):
it's so scary. I got I had a facial and
I was like, oh my god, my skin. Right, it's
been over a year since I'm facial. It's really And
she's like, yeah, you're really congested or something like bitch,
how do you feel about? Well you're here now, that's
a big dentist Like I've been a lot. Well you're
here now, that's the important thing. My dentist, I just
want to quickly brag. Was like, I can tell you've
(21:48):
really been fostering. Wow, And I just want to say
that I know. Oh no, this is actually quick just
to pivot to my dentist because I talked about him
on Poog and when I went I went into the office,
the receptionist goes, Hi, Kate, because we've been seeing a
lot of your friends. Literally, Hi, k I'm a celebrity
at the dentist office. Luccio Kim here in Glendale. Name
meant poo listeners, Yes, the Poog listeners. And this dentist, Lucio,
(22:12):
such a class act. If you refer someone to him,
he sends you a five dollar Starbucks gift card. I
neither stack it up and I got and at first
I got, I would get, I would get them in
the mail. Oh, thanks for referring. You know, it would
be the name of a friend who I remember referencing.
But now I'm getting you know, thanks for referencing Sean.
And I'm like, Sean, you know I'm serious. Yeah, yeah,
so so MI stoes on me. Yeah yeah, I cannot
(22:36):
the leapwall. I'm shocked whenever you mentioned by name, because
I'm like, you know, other people seeking appointments. You know,
that's the competition right there, gonna get your time slots.
So it's very bold the way you share your practitioner names. Wow,
you have a dentist, you know, every six months, although
I don't want to. I want to go three times
a year to get the full cleaning. Yeah, well, sorry,
we went off. We went off. We have way more
(22:58):
to go about clinic. So has my tell me everything? Okay,
so I'm now by the way, of course, as you
can knowing me. My first thought, can we go together?
Right immediately? I know what. We can't be side by
side on the table, although I would, but I just
want to. I just I'm just gonna ask you straight.
Do you want to get one? Do you have interests?
Do you want to get back on the table? Okay,
I want to get I heard about somebody I was,
(23:19):
I was somebody recommended. Somebody said she's really mean, which perfect,
that's what I want. They were like, she's really good,
but she's really she's mean and like kind of angry.
That's a dream. That's the dream. That's what you want
to see. I kind of feel like I really want
someone to like lovingly like scrape you out. That's no, lovingly, Yeah,
put the hose in. Want like soft gentle eyes looking
(23:42):
at me like really, yeah, I don't want it like
some bedding my hair, like it makes you brave. Maybe
I need someone a little brusque who's gonna like make
me brave. Recently who's yeah, someone maybe braves? Oh, I
know what it was. It was just you talked about
someone saying like, you know, you need to be direc
with your language and that like that like booting brilliant
(24:04):
therapist was It was like it was like, I don't
know what you're saying. You do be more specific with
your language. We have to have a greed upon meaning
here because the word that you say could mean something
completely different. It was. I was like, you know, it's
deep postmodern therapy, right, just like language, like language, right,
and she is trying to bring you back to modern language.
I guess right. Also, it is a brilliant thing of
like so much guests lost in conversation because we don't
(24:25):
have agreed upon meaning truly, like this idea that like
we're all running around with like the words meaning the
same thing. It's like ridiculous shared meaning. Since when? Since when?
Good luck? Sweet? It's like, good luck having a conversation
in your goddamn life, let alone, let alone an emotional conversation,
or trying to express herself or receive someone else's emotional reality.
It's work, kids, to work. Okay, So back to colonics.
(24:48):
I'm now desperate for it, wanted now. And so my
friend the thing that really got me excited is that
my friend went and said that. Then for like months afterwards,
she was excuse my French shipping like a rock star.
M remember that, just like you know, you shared that
with me, And I was like, you know what, I
You're gonna love this. Maybe you know I've been talking
(25:10):
about since the eighties you know my constipation. Maybe I'm
not constipated. Maybe what I'm striving for is like Mariah
carry level. I don't know, like like maybe I'm actually
maybe I'm fine. You know, you just mean rock star.
You just we're trying to say, like I don't know
carry level ships. Yeah, I don't know, continuing the sort
of I just you realize maybe a false expectation. I
(25:34):
want to because I've heard, you know, people go, oh,
well here's what you want. You want three times a day,
twice a day, to have soft serve. Right, you want
like the snake. You want the like smooth like twice
a day, right, And I'm like, well, who's doing that?
(25:54):
So are you telling you having a soft served snake? Sorry?
When things are right, yeah, and I hate talking about
ship but yeah, I mean too and I feel immediately
embarrassed and like oh my god, like there are hot
people listening, but like I I don't know, Well, the
question is what's more attractive ultimately, right, because it's like
(26:15):
the more monstrous, Okay, the more more you know, the
soft serve okay, the whatever winding whatever it is, right,
the more monstrous and theory like would be a grosser okay,
But honestly, if you had to walk into a lover's toilet, okay,
and their ship didn't go down, right, would you rather
see like a smooth pellets thing or would you see
(26:36):
would you rather see like a bunch of pellet rocks,
like smashed together, like in the horrible suitcase of of
various You know what I mean? You ever, I'm so horrifying.
I remember once accidentally seeing a lover's bowl and it
was like, actually, I was immediately yeah, I felt fine
(26:59):
to be on Why am I trying? I'm trying to
and I was never the same, and I was like,
it actually did nothing that the dials didn't move. Yeah,
he's hav an adult. Okay, No, but I have I mean,
oh my god, I find shit less offensive than gas.
And not just because you know, one one is sent
into the toilet and one into the air. Yeah, no,
(27:19):
I happ't. It's not just I happen to believe that
gas should be sent into the toilet and that's the
only perfect place for its release. I can't be you
should it should be shot into the bowl that directly
into the center land. It's it's air, so it's not
gonna I mean if molecules must be dense from the
regular air, so in theory it should sink toilet word,
I really, but they just so much. But it's healing,
(27:42):
it's healing to do it. It's healing to do it,
I think. But I've I've in a situation and like
a lover proximity to a lover situation, held it for
days three days? Is my is my gas? Uh? No, sweetheart?
Something but full into a lada? No? Well, I know
I've said this before. You're probably a thousand times because
(28:02):
it's the most suffering um image. But the disturbing concept
that your body has to hydrate fecal matter. Okay, so
it doesn't turn into a rocket your belly. So basically
like ship is like dehydrating new because it's like your
body keeps flooding like flooding water and to keep it
soft so like you're watering. No, it's disgusting though, because
(28:23):
it's like it's like you're carrying. It's like either get
it out or care for it for the rest of
your life, your internally, not for a week. Okay. Part
of your hydration is going to keep that thing soft.
What Yeah, And so you're oh god, I just can't
believe we're embodied and that were It's just it's so
(28:43):
shocking when you think about I mean blood, blood alone,
and then the organs all of it, and then on
top of it ship. I mean, it's just I needed calonic.
I'm going in June. Whether you like it or not,
Let's go in June. I just now, I have my
dream for the Calonic again, it just doesn't exist, but
would be us lying in two chambers. But there's a
small I can do it drunk, although I think that
(29:07):
I think that's like a depressant to the system. So
you don't want that. Alcohol is poison, so you don't
want that. I think anything you want caffeineated peristalsis. Do
you see what I'm saying, Well, like you know, caffeine
gets the paristalsis going, Oh don't I know it? Doll Yeah?
Wait wait what were just saying? Wait? Oh, my dream
(29:28):
for the calotic is you and me in separate chambers.
But there's a small window at small door near just
our faces. Again, you can open that door and so
we can see each of these faces were obscured. I
want that so bad, A little door with a window.
So just so I could just see I just want
your eyes, like your sweet little face poking through. And
(29:48):
then but what's the audio though? Ship interesting question. I
think I think headphones so that we can just be
we recorded podcasts. Essentially, the audio is in the headphones. Also,
then I don't have to hear the sound of whatever
the tube is making. And all of them. It was
absolutely silent, as I recall, it was absolutely silent. Um.
(30:08):
The imagery of the Calonic for me is in is
it um? Oh my god? What's the movie with Steve
Martin and Sara Jessica Parker she has she talks about
getting colonic and she's like her tiny little body and
she's like, oh, it's wonderful and she's like six r
arms in the air and she's like this little her
like losers no ballet body. Yeah, because she was, you know,
famous for sort of keeping toned via ballet based workouts.
(30:32):
Really is that her secret? Always? Always? That was always
the thing, like it was always with her. She has
one of those bodies whom like she didn't even have
to work for it. It It just feels like, you know
what I mean, It just feels like that just is her.
She just is tending. Yeah, she's very tending already. Just
is that she has like I'm as you know, we're
watching sex in the City and a truly we're moving on.
(30:53):
I just was going to say, there's this one episode
where she's wearing this dress and her asses like so
incredible that it sent me into a depression permanently never
to return. Yeah, like it was. She pays like dark
grade Jess. She's leaving. I'll tell you right now, episode
shortcoming season two, She's leaving. The famous thing of Justin
Thorowe plays two different characters on the same show. He
(31:14):
plays one character in season one and the return season
two to play different character. So shocking they needed him
that bad we got we got it's Justin. It's Justin.
I mean, it's unimaginable. It's unimaginable bringing him in to
play different characters. I mean, is that not shocking? Maybe
someone fell out and he had to love that. I
love that. Maybe they're like Justin, They're like see that's
(31:35):
like when I would be like, I mean, what is this?
This is no different than if we were a theater
troupe of actors and their hundreds, you know, like we
play all the characters i'd go there. Sorry, I got
distracted because I was thinking like if that was like
I was imagining Sex and City, but all the characters
just play each other like that's useless. It's a useless
you know idea. I don't find it useless at all.
I think I appreciate that whatever. She's wearing this dress,
(31:57):
she's the final um scene of the episode in her
asses insane and it really captivated me. Interesting you you
really are consumed. It continues to come up with you.
I hear it in my head all the time. You're
going in my head, You're going I want a new
ass by Thursday or whatever. You're always like a new ass.
It's like your Callie action or something like, oh wait,
(32:21):
was it gonna say about colonics? Oh fuck, I don't know.
I lost it. There was something about you in California.
I don't know. Whatever does What do you think? Are
you impressed that I got a group on one? Because
I am is impressed? The word I would use. I
was walking down the street. I was walking down the
street and I saw this place I walked by and
it was it was just like Coons in front and Chris,
(32:47):
and I'm like, oh, my god, look like right in
the neighborhood, you know, like that kind of thing. Yeah,
why though, Like, why do I inherently fear the strip
mall calonic shop? Why why do I believe I know
that it's inherently dirty or bad. I remember hearing once
that the clonic you want is the gravity one that
a lot of times it's kind of like fancy places.
(33:09):
It's like the ship's like running horizontal, and that you
actually wanted to be the mark of like a truly
good colonic or serious colon assists or whatever the hell
you call them is. It's like gravitational. So it's up.
It's like the bag is up. Now you're laying down still,
but the water is going is pouring downwards, the water
pouring out of you. It's pouring downwards again. I have
(33:30):
no coloration. I just know I was watching. I just
do look for verticality. Speaking of verticality and the bowl,
somebody has two pepe. All right, I think we can
go to a break. You go to a break on
this kick us and BacT three pretty soon. Okay, all right,
(33:56):
welcome back, welcome back. Um we mentioned glecos fate. Okay,
I was radical. I can't get it right. What is
it like? Lifeo sate? Life life sate? But I was
radicalize round it it's a word glyph of skate going Okay,
(34:18):
I find my way. I'll just you know Kate has
been talking about it for years, okay, that she won't
eat what was the food? You would't eat a piece
of broccoli? I think oats? Well, the graph of state
is very present and a lot of conventional oats I
don't care your organic oats go to hell. The glyph
of state and them is through the roof. And what
is glyphosate? And so glepho say is uh okay? So
(34:40):
so round up it's like the chemical used and round
up and round up. I believe round up is whatever
exactly exactly, which is like a proven carcinogen and a
super toxic in an absolute nightmare. And so yeah, you
can test glyphosate levels and there's like a legal amount
of glyph of state, but really don't want any of
it and it's going through the roof. Kids can't save you? Organic, yeah,
(35:04):
organic can save you. And this week the glyphos sate
really hit me because I watched this videos. Big extinction
event is coming because of it, but don't worry, humanity
will pick up again and adapt and stop with this
bad farming practices. But it's like, yeah, we're we're we're
(35:25):
all kind of fucked. But also it's the whole thing
when I do this, when I don't get into it fully,
it's it's even more boring than getting into a fully.
So I'm not gonna get in the one pulling out
and we'll talk about near the experiences on the table.
Experiences on the table. And I want to tell you
the phone the phone store thing. The guy who said
us the store, Now, okay, you're ready, so so think
about it. Go into the phone store. I'm wearing a
(35:47):
classic pregnant tip off the Empire waste style dress, sleeveless
summer denim, so it's kind of you know, bando talk
and then it's flowing free down below. And and I
go into this store to return the energy Healer boss
I was working for at the time that you've worked
for as well, Anita, to return her phone. And the guy,
(36:08):
the guy, um, I was like, oh, sorry, yeah, I
don't have that number, and he did something really gross
and misogynist first of all, and he goes he goes um, Oh,
you can blame it. I'm being pregnant, like basically, blame
your fuzzy mind. Oh my god, blame it. I'm being pregnant,
which is its own insult. First of all, he's like,
and then and I just like, I'm not pregnant. Okay,
(36:29):
And then oh no, no, no, are you readybody said
so I'm not just say I'm gonna let's play out
the scene for fine. Okay, Well, blame it. I'm being pregnant.
I guess I'm not pregnant. It's not a bad thing.
Oh he was. He was. He was spiraling. It's not
not deranged. He was spiraling almost like pregnant women are
beautiful or like or like to carry a baby's in
(36:50):
honor makes no sense. He didn't know what to do.
He didn't know what to do. It's just I'd never
understand if, like, why anyone comments on anyone's body ever
cover but why why who reacts out loud or aloud?
It's out loud to me, you know what I mean,
sort of like buck naked or no butt naked as
(37:12):
a kid like naked. Yeah, and then they're like, find
out it's buck naked, which is a meaningless term like
in modern society and yet child, So anyway, that was something.
Are you familiar with near death experiences? Two things? Oh,
I actually don't want to tell you. Well, I don't
(37:34):
want to tell you. I just realized something that will
terrify you. I'm sure you've heard of it, and it'll
make you never want to get surgery. And I'm so
I'm actually wondering if I shouldn't tell you. I mean,
I'm going to just go. We know it's coming. You
probably already know about this. Are you familiar with the thing,
this horrifying thing I ever saw? Oh? No, okay, so
there's a thing you've probably heard of it where they
put you out for a surgery and you appear to
(37:55):
be out, but you're not. Stop. Okay, let's I'll stop
you right there to say I'll never forget this. I
have once heard an adult this is actually I'm glad
this is a memory coming up. I'm at a dinner party.
I'm at some party. I'm young, like you know, ten,
and I'm listening to this woman talk recount her recent
knee surgery. They put her out. She came to felt nothing,
but could feel her entire body quaking as they with
(38:18):
a you know, with a hammer basically go to her knee,
and she was just aware that the surgery was happening,
and she was completely conscious, painless, painless, thank god, but painless,
but unable to speak, and felt her whole body ricocheting
under the force of the hammer and never the same.
And as somebody who has had sleep paralysis, It's like
(38:39):
I've known what it feels like. I have been in
a state where I'm completely unable to move with I'm
aware that I'm you know, they're in my body, but
can't you know, trying to scream, scream, scream, can't, trying
to move, can't. So I've been there, Okay, it's how well,
it's truly hell to go even worse. I'm pretty sure
that the particular syndrome I'm talking about, you feel the pain,
(39:01):
oh Jesus, So you're fully experiencing it. You merely can't move,
scream or alert them that that you're there, So you're
trapped in your body screaming to the heavens now. The
good news is this is how I and I watched
them a movie about this. I'll have to find it
figure out what it was. But the good news is,
and this is what I take comfort in. This is
(39:21):
probably reason I like to try to ask or project
at night. Okay, what I want to learn how to
leave my body so that in such a situation I
want to pop out immediately. Okay, so the body is
I'm experiencing, you know, massive trauma via surgery. I want
to leap and throlling down the hallway, listening in on
the conversation area. I mean, this, this is this is
(39:42):
almost like it couldn't be more well, doc news, what
you're like, the good news is what you can ask
you'll project out? Is that I think that in that
level of pain, I think you'll slip out of your
body or essentially pass out inside of the prison of
the past, out for warm. But I'm like the brainwaves people,
(40:02):
actually I can't remember if the brain waves are visibly firing. Yeah,
like like no one's looking at it, like in the movie,
like like the monitors behind and the brainwaves are going
crazy as they're screaming internally. Is that not the most
hideous thing you've ever that that botched anesthesia? What is? It?
Always makes me laugh? Bosch is a great one. I'm
(40:25):
not sure. I mean it's it must be because you know,
aren't they sort of depressing different elements of the nervous system. Also,
what the funk is anesthesia? No clue? Like what is that?
Have you ever gotten? When I got it once? For
my wisdom teeth And I just remember getting into the chair.
I started lapping manically, really nervous because I was going under,
and I was like, couldn't stop laughing, And I'm like, okay,
(40:47):
you know, count down ten, nine out. You know, is
this in dignity that our bodies are capable, that our
consciousness is capable of just being turned off like that?
Just I know it's humili just splip a switch and
you're gone. Yeah, I mean, I think it's weird that
sleep even does that, Like, I like really embarrassing that
(41:08):
the body, over the course of the day literally cannot
maintain Like that's crazy that we can't survive without sleep,
Like I know, like our body like we'll fall to
the ground. Remember one time, like I was on this
school trip and I'd stayed up all night. It's like
I had like hide the fact that I had been
up all night and I was so tired that we
(41:29):
were walking along on my knees were buckling in the street,
okay literally, and then we're in a warm museum with
the other classmates between two friends, like my knees get
going down, cute and like the body can't you know
what I mean? Like sleep is it is very sci fi.
It's like sleep is. And don't get me started on
the fact that we dreamed during it. I mean, it's
(41:50):
just absolutely insane. No one knows what the hell is
going on. I remember watching this video to Science Museum
about like eight and it was like it was like
the brains, the Final Frontier and all that kind of stuff.
It really just I love language about love. When things
are called the final frontier, that excites you. It excites me,
like it's like the last taboo is another one that
excites me. Like someone being like like gut health is
(42:12):
the last taboo? Yeah, well, gut health. By the way,
if we don't get serious about it now I'm joking, obviously,
get health is. I know. If we don't get serious
about gut health now, we're not. We won't get serious
about it. We have to, and is it people don't care.
I care, and I'm scared. Hence the probiotics. Oh no,
I got so well buying them, and I took you know,
(42:36):
I was on the seed wave, you know, when Seed
came out eighteen thousand years ago. I was there. It's
like this expensive probiotic brand seed, and I was, you know,
did it? And then of course there were like no
changes or like no noticeable difference. So I stopped, even
though it's not the goal, Like noticeable difference isn't necessarily
(42:56):
the goal, I guess, but I stopped in probiotics for
one of those things that me daily well, probiotics, pre biotics.
I saw some pre biotics, you know, the whole question
of okay, now we got to load with pre. The
ways you can go wrong, the ways you can go wrong.
Apparently an unripe banana loaded with it with what pre
or both pre with pre, okay with pre, and then
super ripe is pro okay, So we follow up followed
(43:20):
by yeah, one after the next. I mean, there's other
ways to get pre biotics, which I think isn't pre biotic,
just like fiber or something. It's a mess. And but
here's the reason that I'm motivated, because I see the
digestive system, I know, like or like keeping things running.
I'm like, in my mind, we can come back from that.
But the devastation about why we have to heal them
micro birome, as far as I can tell, is has
(43:42):
to do like leaky gut. Laky gut syndrome. Leaky gut
syndrome is like minor perforations in the digestives track and
it leaks the talk like leaks your ship into your blood.
And and then is that what it is? Authority? Authority?
I don't think it's that you leak your ship in
your But isn't it that nutrients don't That's the different
thing that's not leaky gut. That's the lining of the
(44:05):
intestine is covered with crans from kindergarten, okay, and so
it's like there's nothing it can't digest it. But leaky
gut is literally and this is the thing that this
week with the glyphs fate okay, glepha state, is that
these microspaces in these structures the blood blain geez, the
blood brain that wasn't even a fake one. The second one,
(44:28):
you know, you know, it's a pet peeve of mine.
The whole like someone misspeaks, and I'm like, I really
prefer to just hear a little flip in the word
I don't need this performing. I'm not full, you know.
It was like I can't talk. Yeah, it's the worst.
People are so frag wit what we're talking about? Oh
(44:49):
so blood brain barrier? Uh gut k And then like
some other ones, they're all everything's leaking okay, and the
chemical is coursing through us. And what this I said?
And we'll find that, I'll find the source text is
that our cells are forgetting their self identity. Oh Christ,
like it's actually rewiring where autoimmune comes in. It's it's
(45:13):
this isn't my body, this is not my body. God,
that's so that's so scary. But what is the key?
What is the thing? What? What is it? I mean,
also die joyously right, like soaked me in chemicals and
take me out? Who cares? Right? I mean, wait, that's
not true. I forgot about other people. I forgot about
other people. I was testing out the concept okay of
(45:35):
who cares. I'm like, oh right, right right, But these
like globally funk everyone not everyone wants to just die
with a martini in their hands. Not an option for all. Yeah,
this is when I get when I spiral into you know, water, water, water,
you know, it's like anything just the talk, no, no,
just the toxins. Like it's like the poisons in the water,
(45:55):
the poisons in the air, the poisons in the rain,
the porters, the poisons there like the song, poisons in
the air, the poisons in the rain. The port is
in the food, and the port is in the rain
the rain, Okay, and then like if we can't do
anything about it, will all die Martinian hand. Yeah, and
(46:15):
they are personal narrative. Yeah, yeah, so do the goddamn
shuffle because it's over soon anyway. Yeah, that's why it's
like I'm not a survivalist, like right, like yes, I
want to optimize, but not so much that I like waste,
Like I don't want to waste my time optimizing them
to get to die by coconut to the head. Right,
It's like like that's the ultimate kind of horror. It
(46:38):
would be like over emphasis on health and food purity
and then you get you're taken out by a bus. Right,
So yeah, it's kind of like don't go too crazy
because you're almost begging the universe to take you out
the old fashion the gods. You're tempting the gods with
your hubris. Okay, you're probiotic hubris, you're just asking to
have an anvil fall. But then you know, that becomes
(46:59):
a some crazy superstition right where it's almost like when
someone's like says they won't quit smoking or whatever because
they could get And by the way, this is another
pet peeve of mine. It's always hit by a bus
tomorrow every time, right right, Okay, you get hit by
a bus tomorrow, an keep smoking. It's always hit by
a bus tomorrow. And it's like, first of all, like
they're acting like they're facing the reality of the fact
they could die anytime, but they still put it off
(47:21):
to tomorrow. Do you see it's too harsh. I can't
say I could be hit by a bus, or they
don't say I could have an aneurysm right now, right now.
It's always I could have an aneurysm tomorrow, you know, right, Yeah,
the bus is like really big for people. And then
it's it's almost like they're rooting for their own death
by bus because that would legitimize the cigarette smoking. It's
like they're hoping to die, not of the cigarettes. To
(47:43):
make the point that it was a great choice all along,
so I was getting lost thinking about and aneurysms, as
you know, always top of the list for me, top
of the list. Also an adult to let me know,
remember being on my friend's house and her parents being like, oh,
so and so I hadn't aneurysm out of nowhere, just
(48:05):
died right there at the kitchen table or whatever. And
I was like, okay, well, I'll never recover from this,
so thank you. The fear, though, I'm like that to
me is like kind of like being hit on the
have with a coconut. Well, actually no, because I actually
feel like you can avoid the coconut a little better
if you keep your wits about you. We're a strong
sp advisor, okay something No, you can protect. Cocon to
(48:26):
the head though, to me is kind of romantic because
in it I'm imagining, you know, oh, you're you're having
a beautiful afternoon on the beach. Coconut hits you, it's over.
How do you feel about afternoon? A sensation of afternoon? Afternoon?
Afternoon once again be obviously deeply depressing and terrifying. Thank you.
The liminal space between sleeps, you know, like not yet asleep,
(48:50):
you're fully awake. The afternoon of the day, right at
the hypnogogic the hypnogogic state of the day. You know,
that's that place where he wrote Kubla Khan. However, wrote Kublaican.
I always forget color ridge, cold color ridge, color ridge.
In every I have no clue. But in every book
I read on creative practices. Ublicans friends, they love to
talk about him writing Kubla Khan in the dreamsty Oh wait,
(49:14):
I love this. There's another one. I read some of
these guys around this time. So they would try to
get into the hypnagoguic gaget whatever um jogi state and
to write and to have visions and whatever, and so
they what someone what they would do is they would
like relax, They put they balance a spoon on their hand, okay,
and beneath the spoon was a pot on the ground
or something, and they dropped the spoon because they're actually
(49:37):
truly falling asleep. The clatter would wake them up, so
they keep themselves from falling into a true sleep. Why
the pot underneath? So it claims, yeah, we wouldn't just
hit the floor make the same sound. Not enough, actually,
loud clan. Surely a wooden floor, clang clang clang goes
the trolley and the gog to stay in hypnagogue. It
(50:01):
is not very attractive to me. To me, it is
to linger there. I mean it sounds like a nightmare
but not be able to slip into sleep. Yeah, but
that's here's here's what happens. Playing clang clang goes to trolley.
Now you're right, and it goes. Now you then you
jot down Kubla Khan or whatever. Okay, you jot down
your epic call. That's very real. That's that's real because
(50:22):
then you can sleep, then you can listen, because don't
you have that experience. There is that thing right before
you fall asleep where you start having crazy ideas and
it's just start forming that makes no sense, or you
start having I mean, that is incredible. That is so real.
I think that's the hypnagogue. Oh, it's the real sweet
spot because that's when narrative like collapses and you're able
to just like words just start forming and ideas like
(50:44):
I've had I get like into these kind of emphatic
monologues right in that space. But I'm talking about like
what I'm talking about makes no sense, much like poog. Yeah,
but hi, dare I dare that? How dare you do
a good podcast? How is that? I thought I heard
a little bit of your irish When you do that?
(51:06):
You know I can't do it if it's requested. I mean,
there's nothing worse, of course not. I would never. I
would never right after wrap in a second, so I'm
gonna have to wrap it up. But there was something
in closing. What it was Kate just talking about polling
you asleep doing the Yeah, yeah, the hypnogogiah yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want to explore that further, and I want to
maybe one day we'll do we'll do the clanger on poog,
(51:27):
like we'll go there, we'll whisper the visions, like we'll
basically try to go to sleep on poog. I think
the listeners would really enjoy that, as attempting a nap
on poog could be revolutionary. All right, it's all I
got revolutionary. Jesus, try a new word. I need six
new words now, I need them yesterday. I need like
new words to enter because because we are suffering under
(51:50):
our own, our coats have become I haven't read for
I can't read the last couple of days. I can't
do it, won't do it, Okay, honestly, I thought this
was a joy. I want everyone to know first. Well,
I don't think ship is funny, Okay, I don't like
bathroom humor as we think. It's very serious and we're
very serious. And I'm going to listen to me klonic
in June's happening. Sure, i'll go today. Don't even tempt me, sweetie,
(52:14):
because I know a place. Why your bye? All right,
we gotta wrap up. I don't know. I'm scared still,
I guess Okay, I'll bring you. I'll deliver you. Okay, great,
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(00:23):
by the way, I know not always going to say
morning poog, but this is actually the earliest morning poog.
Well A true, yeah, this is this is probably the
biggest morning poog experience for me. I did one of
my classics of like I had ten alarms set, you know,
every eight minutes in the last hour to make sure.
And then I got into the shower, not in it,
(00:45):
but on its edge. I sit there, it runs on
my feet, it burns my feet, the steam warms me,
and I drink my coffee and they're huddled against the
wall of the shower. Like it's this thing of enacting
the horror of being awake and the feeling it helps
me to wake up into the world as a cold,
cold experience, even here in sunny l A. Wow, Well,
(01:07):
I woke up, Um hang on, let me think here,
I'm a little bit brain dead today. Really fine, it'll
be fine. I haven't washed my hair in um, I
guess I watched it on Saturday. Now it's Tuesday, that's
what day. Oh no, I think that's nothing. That's totally like,
don't you know, don't tell you I know that. But
(01:28):
my hair becomes you can't imagine the rat's nest in
the backroom, and it's so and I was somewhere people
were smoking cigarettes, and so I have this like cigarettes
rats nest. I mean, it's disgusting the fact that I
got into my bed with that head. But cigarettes in
the hair is so specific and such a feeling of
like it's a little glamorous to like totally totally you know,
(01:50):
have cigarettes smoked trapped in your rats nest. Absolutely really
glamor of waking up a corene or whatever like a
chorus girl in the nineteen twenties. I saw you just
using your your compact, your Westmini little bit of and
because I don't have a stitch on, and I like,
I feel like I really look and feel particularly haggard
(02:14):
this morning. And my plan was like, after we do this.
I haven't done any physical exercise in a week at least,
and so I was thinking I would do that after
pooga and then wash my hair. And this is when
we get into how you know it takes four hours
to work out. My entire day now focused around the hair,
washing of the hair post workout. Also, I won't even
(02:34):
sweat doing low impact floor plates. Not a bead will form.
Not a bead and sweating, I'm now, you know, there's
a lot of talk daytox right, shedding the toxins right,
and then I hear people say it's completely fake, it's bullshit.
Your body does that like you're not doing you know,
but the sweating thing is real, and I'm now, of
course terrified. I think I'm finally ready to get a colonic.
(02:56):
I think I've done the emotional work. Are you scared?
Not at all excited to have the conversation I've tons
to Okay, Okay, I thought you got scared. And so
I've always been scared because I've inherited that fear from
my mother among her other fears and her kind of
being like yeah, yeah, I mean like it washes out
the good bacteria are also just like it seems scary,
(03:17):
and I've always been scared that if I were to
get a calonic, it would like rupture my in tests
and I die on the table, right, I I always
go straight to death on the table. And so I'm
trying to so fabulous because I'm convinced I have like
Thanksgiving dinner from two thousand nine lodged in my upper intestine,
like it's all And you know, I'll this talk about
(03:39):
the poison in the air and the water and the food.
You know, even if you eat even if you eat
organic and even if you eat organic food, the toxins
are in the water. That it's like it's over right,
So I guess we'll talk about it during act. But
so I'm now like, okay, I need the calonic, you know,
(04:00):
maybe once a year for the rest of my life.
But it's okay. Thoughts so many one. I had a
huge problem. No, no, no, go, you got one. Dying
on the table is so fabulous. Again, the only way
to say it. I mean to imagine dying during early surgery,
like during an expert, like when they were pioneers, such
(04:23):
as the Nick my favorite, my favorite program, okay, Nick
was sensational, The Renegade Surgeon, But just generally the concept
of dying on a metal table in that way, screaming
while they you know, try to tie your you know,
your intestine work together. You're not even screaming. I think
it's worse than not screaming. It's just being you're knocked out.
You don't even know you're dying. Well, the true, the
(04:44):
true death on the table. And we might have to
return to this because because I'll forget, but but we
should talk about near death experiences on the operating table
because that's probably my favorite subject. But let's let's go there,
because talk about not knowing you're dying. You're walking down
the hallway of the room, like but wait, take me back, okay,
are you ready? One your fear of rupturing is by
(05:04):
virtue of what material? Like the clonic hose? Yeah, just
some fear. This is already so healing. You're helping me
face the fear because it's like it's not going to happen.
But yeah, I fear because I'm calm. I fear that
the water will the water itself, how shoot the Yeah,
the sheer force of the water, or there's something wrong
with me where like you know, some issue that I
have lurking in there will become dislodged, right exposed. Well,
(05:29):
a couple of things. One, it's not a hose down,
it's not a pressure wash. It's not just my pronunciation today.
Maybe maybe because you're so close to sleep and you
were just dreaming of another lifetime okay, where you had
that accent. Oh god, don't you wish to would be
(05:51):
one of those people that gets knocked on the head
and wakes up speaking another language. Imagine Imagine the indignity
of the fact that I don't that that's never happened
to me when I wanted so badly, much like a
streak of traumatized white hair. You know that, what's that?
You know there was a boy who got into an
accident and could and come to school. But when you
(06:15):
know that song, you're not you're not referencing anything. I
can pull it up to my head, but anyway, it's
it's um the shock of you know, when they get
the shock of white hair, of trauma, wake up in
the morning the day after the birds flew through the
window And okay, so so anyway, Franco, I don't know. Yeah, no,
that was just me speaking. You thought was in the
(06:35):
lyrics again? Oh no, earlier it was, but I can't
pull the name of that um that song maybe to data.
Can I just have to know now not? Of course
you're not interested. You never interested. If I bring up
a song you don't know, of course you wouldn't be
It's fair. My literacy with musicals is once again, not
a musical. This is hysterical. Okay, it's merely a song
from But it's a song that I will send you
(06:58):
later and we'll discuss it her on food because it's
really it's interesting, all right. So it's not a hose
down right, Okay, Okay, it's not pressure washing the walls
like someone doing your roof. So so it's not it's
actually a slow filling. Oh god, I'm gonna throw up.
Really you're saying slow filling. I mean that is enough
to make me just talk about diet on the table.
I just well, I mean burying the lead. I'm sorry,
(07:21):
I'm sorry skipping over a huge detail. Have you done it? Yes?
More than once? No? I mean classically, I got a
three pack or whatever on life booker. Okay, I I'm
not afraid to life. Go for a deal, even when
it when it's a minor surgery or whatever. You want
to call this. Okay, it's like literally life booker whatever,
you know what, what's that other one that whatever? Doesn't matter?
(07:43):
Thank you? I think it was group on in New
York City. It was pretty sensational and exciting experience. Um my,
my energy levels had plummeted, okay, and my abdomen was distended.
You know, two regularly of course being asked from preg
and a constant story of my life. Remind me later
(08:03):
maybe to tell you about the phone store man and
what he said. Okay. So I opted to go to
the woman's apartment okay, because she had an option of
like go downtown to the office, or she has a
set up in her home, and the set up in
her home was two blocks away. So I went to
this high rise Upper West Side. I went in. The
(08:24):
husband opens the door, he sawed haying, um, something being saute,
probably about nine ft from the hallway bathroom. The hallway bathroom. Okay,
this was set up in the hallway bathroom. Okay. So
but it was cozy, okay, And I went in and
I go like, yeah, my, you know, my stomach is
really bloated. I can't access that. For some reason in
(08:47):
my memory, it definitely wasn't the dead of winter, and
I don't recall, I'm picture maybe it was. I feel
like it was a summer feels like summer. So he
stawed haying and he's kind of like cozy and he's
like she's the best, you know, like about like she's
the best in the bibs kind of thing about about
his wife. And then I go into the little hull
bathroom and there's like a folding table in the yeah,
(09:12):
and then there's whatever is hooked up to the toilet,
like a tank or something after the sink, and I
get on the table and it's like you're getting the
fetal position trowel. Right, I don't even remember dropping trout.
It's interesting, but of course I was right. I mean
I had to nake it from the waist down. I mean,
(09:33):
I don't want call a pulling the underwear aside situation
to exactly particularly like like what the underwear is. And
I would argue it's like worse if like I feel
like there's a certain type of woman that wears like,
you know, the hanky panky, like like lace thong whatever
(09:55):
into the beauty treatments, and I'm like, I'm not that woman.
You know, it's like like a child's baggy pair of
Haines or whatever occasionally, So this is the key, okay.
And I talked about this in my book because it
was partly and I just say that as the encumulation
obviously of Jesus. It's already in text. But on the table,
(10:16):
she's going up, so I'm ready for her to insert
the tube, right, and she goes. She goes on push. Okay,
She's a push push, push, push, okay, And so I
start flexing, I start bearing guys, are flexing my anus
at her to open up the to open it up
(10:38):
like a book, like a mute frog to the night
and opening at her. And she's like push, and I'm like,
I assume she means bear down to open it up
for her, and so I'm just saying, like, I'm just
croaking it at her. And she sees she's looking at
my butt. Okay, she sees the movement and she's like, no,
(11:00):
push it in. She has to grab my hand because
she's trying to say, here, you insert it. She's only
trying to hand me. You have to do your own insertion.
That seems completely well. And so I was like, oh,
it's like the humiliation of just croaking my anus and
her like a flower singing okay in silence. So something
(11:21):
was I mean for someone to see that a movement,
for someone to see that small of a movement, and
there's an intention there. It was deeply in eminent. So
then you insert it, you had you had to physically
insert yourself. I went right there, what am I paying?
It's not going deep? And well maybe no, it's deep
because again it's a must have been just picturing like
(11:43):
a dry dry plastic shoving into your ripping. Will they
open the plastic of you know, oh this is your
fresh tube? Like you know what the problem is? You
know what the problem is, Kate. We all know. We
all now have access to like home lamination or is
(12:04):
this we all have systems now they tell she's doing,
can put their vegetables in their own plastic wrap and
seal the edges. Okay, so the technology it's no longer
factory seal. We can no longer trust it. They rip
open the plastic, scream until excited. Factory seal does not
(12:30):
the promise you think it is, okay shows down there.
I mean they say, you know the amount of trace
DNA from the jambon a documentaries you ut of trace
DNA underpants from the factory. There's trace DNA needs everywhere.
I think Tracy is like impossible to not have. Oh god,
(12:50):
it's like inspected number four to six. It's like they're
like they cough on your yes, Oh my god, of course,
And you know, in some ways it's almost comforting. I
always I was actually gonna say, there's something nice about
that artisan not full automation. Yeah, Like I saw toilet
paper going by on a video about toilet paper presumption
(13:13):
the other day, okay, and I saw it, like literally
couldn't remember the word. I was gonna say, bales of
toilet paper gay, meaning the individuals not even and they're
riding by an open air and the open air of
the factory were never protecting like of course, like they're
not sealed at every step. It's not like the papers
(13:35):
created there in the factory and open air. It's like
there is something that the erotics of capitalism. Even when
we reached the heights of automation, the human human trace
cannot be scan. Flesh will not absolute nature will find
a way. Yeah, labor inherently has sweat on it labor
(13:55):
and cannot be separated from the human body, right because
what is what is? Or no, No, I'm really I'm
just following this because um and also, I mean, you know,
a huge question is despite you know, occasional factory visits
of the school variety of Ben and Jerry's store, Okay,
I mean, can you imagine getting less like less of
(14:17):
a penetrating view of what factory work must be like
then going to the Ben and Jerry's factory, Yeah, exactly,
and they're like they have like eight people grinning, like
we get to make ice cream all day, yes, okay,
and like giving a little samples and like whatever is
there's just I guess what I'm saying is who knows,
uh god, factory life. I've just realized I have a
(14:37):
rich envisionment of factory life that is probably not accurate.
Oh yeah, we don't know what the hell is going on.
So she puts it in, she starts filling me up, okay, okay,
or I put it in. She's not a deep insertion, okay, okay, okay, anyway,
it's just you know, okay, and and then instantly starts
start filling you okay. So she flips the switch and
(14:58):
the water starts flowing in. And it's not pressure host feeling, Okay,
it's just a you'll feel a bit of pressure, light pressure, fullness. Yeah,
truly woozy Jack, you're talking, I'm like gonna fall off
my chair, But I feel like this is the exposure
you need for going to go in. No, I don't
keep going because I'm surely getting dizzy sliding down from frame.
(15:20):
Ok I mean I don't have to. I'm just keep going,
keep going. So so it's filling up, and she goes,
let me know when you need to release, Okay, when
the urge to expel comes on you. Okay. And I'm
like waiting and I'm wanting my money's worth. Do do
you understand? So I don't want paint is the classic.
(15:40):
I don't want them to stop because they think I'm uncomfortable.
Not I'm like last week with I was worried they're
gonna pull off my lash gel early and I'm gonna
have less good lash. So I'm like determined to grin
and Barrett. But I'm actually feeling almost nothing. I mean
it's slightly feeling, but I'm really not feeling anything. She's
like waiting for me to be like, She's like, now, like,
how you doing, Like wow, oh you're good, you know,
(16:02):
because I'm letting it fill me up to the neck.
Right the water is bubbling at my chin out your
mouth and shops are plumping okay, and I'm coughing it
out and win and red in the face, and and
she's just acting like I'm good. So I'm like grinning
and bearing it even further. And then I'm like, all right,
it's getting a little tight here, balloon might burst and
(16:24):
so yeah, so I release whatever, and then it's just
the water. What does she do? Pulls the hose out,
so this is still this is still via the hose,
it shoots back in. The ship goes through these well
it's not just ship. The water has to come out.
I believe the water went back the other direction. God,
that sounds unsanitary, but yeah, whats right into the box shop.
(16:46):
But when she hits release right right into the west
the reservoir, right into the box choy literally bout choice
season like and honestly didn't even gross me out, Like
it just didn't. It was really honestly comforting. The sounds
of the sette they're like, okay, you know, the garlic,
the onion in the pants. One of the greatest smells
(17:07):
in the universe. So God, I wonder if I'm misremembering this.
But she flips the switch. You're still on the table,
is my point? Right? Something has to come back out
as far as I ever call. And then and then
I think she's like, get off, get on the toilet, okay,
and her home toilet, I mean Jesus, yeah. So I'm like,
(17:28):
or maybe it was like this, Maybe it was like
do you need to go or something, and I was
like not really, like I was still fine. I hadn't
triggered the peristalsias that are whatever, And so it was like,
by the way, I acknowledge something, which is we're diving
into the world of chlonics without even once raising the
question of what the benefit of doing it is. Do
you know what? I think that's interesting And I'm not
(17:49):
even sure. I mean, there's a variety of promise benefits,
but it's like it's not even about that. It's about
like the experience. For me, I wanted blow to decrease,
I wanted digestion to improve, okay, because the blow was
the idea. Yeah, no, the idea to me was about
because you talk about Thanksgiving dinner, you want to get it.
You want to get even better detail. Sometimes you hear
(18:11):
stories about like a cram from kindergarten coming out. Now,
that's the ship that gets me hooked. Okay, that's yeah,
from but from the eighties. Yeah, like my mother's jewelry
just comes pouring out of me. Yeah. Not, that's the
ship that gets me to sign up. Oh god, I
(18:31):
think we got to go to break. There's so much
on the horizon for us. All right, off you go,
Welcome home boys, welllcome home home right now. Hello, I'll
wrap it up with the colonic. I'm trying to think,
(18:53):
what is the key detail? Right? I want to go
more detailed. I want to slow it down. All right,
we'll pull from you what you want from you. What
she goes what. So there's something like do you need
to get on the toilet. I'm like no, I'm still
not feeling anything really okay, And so then I think
I go to the the toilet and she leaves me to
go chat with the husband while I go on and
it's like nothing's really happening, or maybe a little bit whatever,
(19:14):
but it's not like some major release, and so she
comes back in. I'm like, all right, get back on
the table. She's gonna fill me up again. Okay. She
fills me up again, and this time she sort of
grabs this was when and press grabs your thighs, grabs
my belly okay, like as if by the belly fat itself. Okay,
but like a hard grip like you're trying to get
a basketball. And she starts shaking it okay, shaking with
(19:40):
the oh God, like I'm a jar of rowse okay,
to fill it up more, No, like the jar of
rowse sauce. Okay, to to to clean it out, like
there's a little left in the thing. You fill it
in the sink, you close it, You shake it up
to get the looser, to loosen it. So she's starts
shaking my belly okay, and then we start to get
(20:00):
some you know, the cramps of paristalsis or whatever. Okay,
and threw that in. Um no, I know what that.
That feels familiar. But what is that? Oh, you'll be reminded.
It's the it's the muscular the wave like muscular movements
that draw food through the through the digestion track. Doubt
(20:21):
or esophagus. It massages it down and so we got
it going. And what she said was you have a
sluggish system, like if you shoot water up your ass,
your body like should want to start booting it out, yeah,
or start like paristalcing. Mine just sat there like a bag. Okay,
what happened? And I'm like, this is my issue, right,
(20:43):
this is this is why I'm here. Okay. So it's
almost like she gets it going. It finally stimulates something. Okay,
there's like the feelings and now it's like I'm like,
go go whatever. I would never say that, it's I
would never yell go go. But it's like it's more
like me smiling like and her being like do you
need to use the toilet now, me being like thank you, okay,
you are leaving, and then me getting on the toilet
(21:04):
and whatever. Release I guess okay, but anyway I did it.
She's like, you know, come back. You know what was
devastating is I go I'm here because I'm bloated. The
guy at the phone store said I thought I was pregnant. Whatever.
I just She's like I could see you know. It's
just the brutality of the practitioner or the esthetician or
whatever acknowledging the problem that you're there to solve, like
(21:27):
it's so scary. I got I had a facial and
I was like, oh my god, my skin. Right, it's
been over a year since I'm facial. It's really And
she's like, yeah, you're really congested or something like bitch,
how do you feel about? Well you're here now, that's
a big dentist Like I've been a lot. Well you're
here now, that's the important thing. My dentist, I just
want to quickly brag. Was like, I can tell you've
(21:48):
really been fostering. Wow, And I just want to say
that I know. Oh no, this is actually quick just
to pivot to my dentist because I talked about him
on Poog and when I went I went into the office,
the receptionist goes, Hi, Kate, because we've been seeing a
lot of your friends. Literally, Hi, k I'm a celebrity
at the dentist office. Luccio Kim here in Glendale. Name
meant poo listeners, Yes, the Poog listeners. And this dentist, Lucio,
(22:12):
such a class act. If you refer someone to him,
he sends you a five dollar Starbucks gift card. I
neither stack it up and I got and at first
I got, I would get, I would get them in
the mail. Oh, thanks for referring. You know, it would
be the name of a friend who I remember referencing.
But now I'm getting you know, thanks for referencing Sean.
And I'm like, Sean, you know I'm serious. Yeah, yeah,
so so MI stoes on me. Yeah yeah, I cannot
(22:36):
the leapwall. I'm shocked whenever you mentioned by name, because
I'm like, you know, other people seeking appointments. You know,
that's the competition right there, gonna get your time slots.
So it's very bold the way you share your practitioner names. Wow,
you have a dentist, you know, every six months, although
I don't want to. I want to go three times
a year to get the full cleaning. Yeah, well, sorry,
we went off. We went off. We have way more
(22:58):
to go about clinic. So has my tell me everything? Okay,
so I'm now by the way, of course, as you
can knowing me. My first thought, can we go together?
Right immediately? I know what. We can't be side by
side on the table, although I would, but I just
want to. I just I'm just gonna ask you straight.
Do you want to get one? Do you have interests?
Do you want to get back on the table? Okay,
I want to get I heard about somebody I was,
(23:19):
I was somebody recommended. Somebody said she's really mean, which perfect,
that's what I want. They were like, she's really good,
but she's really she's mean and like kind of angry.
That's a dream. That's the dream. That's what you want
to see. I kind of feel like I really want
someone to like lovingly like scrape you out. That's no, lovingly, Yeah,
put the hose in. Want like soft gentle eyes looking
(23:42):
at me like really, yeah, I don't want it like
some bedding my hair, like it makes you brave. Maybe
I need someone a little brusque who's gonna like make
me brave. Recently who's yeah, someone maybe braves? Oh, I
know what it was. It was just you talked about
someone saying like, you know, you need to be direc
with your language and that like that like booting brilliant
(24:04):
therapist was It was like it was like, I don't
know what you're saying. You do be more specific with
your language. We have to have a greed upon meaning
here because the word that you say could mean something
completely different. It was. I was like, you know, it's
deep postmodern therapy, right, just like language, like language, right,
and she is trying to bring you back to modern language.
I guess right. Also, it is a brilliant thing of
like so much guests lost in conversation because we don't
(24:25):
have agreed upon meaning truly, like this idea that like
we're all running around with like the words meaning the
same thing. It's like ridiculous shared meaning. Since when? Since when?
Good luck? Sweet? It's like, good luck having a conversation
in your goddamn life, let alone, let alone an emotional conversation,
or trying to express herself or receive someone else's emotional reality.
It's work, kids, to work. Okay, So back to colonics.
(24:48):
I'm now desperate for it, wanted now. And so my
friend the thing that really got me excited is that
my friend went and said that. Then for like months afterwards,
she was excuse my French shipping like a rock star.
M remember that, just like you know, you shared that
with me, And I was like, you know what, I
You're gonna love this. Maybe you know I've been talking
(25:10):
about since the eighties you know my constipation. Maybe I'm
not constipated. Maybe what I'm striving for is like Mariah
carry level. I don't know, like like maybe I'm actually
maybe I'm fine. You know, you just mean rock star.
You just we're trying to say, like I don't know
carry level ships. Yeah, I don't know, continuing the sort
of I just you realize maybe a false expectation. I
(25:34):
want to because I've heard, you know, people go, oh,
well here's what you want. You want three times a day,
twice a day, to have soft serve. Right, you want
like the snake. You want the like smooth like twice
a day, right, And I'm like, well, who's doing that?
(25:54):
So are you telling you having a soft served snake? Sorry?
When things are right, yeah, and I hate talking about
ship but yeah, I mean too and I feel immediately
embarrassed and like oh my god, like there are hot
people listening, but like I I don't know, Well, the
question is what's more attractive ultimately, right, because it's like
(26:15):
the more monstrous, Okay, the more more you know, the
soft serve okay, the whatever winding whatever it is, right,
the more monstrous and theory like would be a grosser okay,
But honestly, if you had to walk into a lover's toilet, okay,
and their ship didn't go down, right, would you rather
see like a smooth pellets thing or would you see
(26:36):
would you rather see like a bunch of pellet rocks,
like smashed together, like in the horrible suitcase of of
various You know what I mean? You ever, I'm so horrifying.
I remember once accidentally seeing a lover's bowl and it
was like, actually, I was immediately yeah, I felt fine
(26:59):
to be on Why am I trying? I'm trying to
and I was never the same, and I was like,
it actually did nothing that the dials didn't move. Yeah,
he's hav an adult. Okay, No, but I have I mean,
oh my god, I find shit less offensive than gas.
And not just because you know, one one is sent
into the toilet and one into the air. Yeah, no,
(27:19):
I happ't. It's not just I happen to believe that
gas should be sent into the toilet and that's the
only perfect place for its release. I can't be you
should it should be shot into the bowl that directly
into the center land. It's it's air, so it's not
gonna I mean if molecules must be dense from the
regular air, so in theory it should sink toilet word,
I really, but they just so much. But it's healing,
(27:42):
it's healing to do it. It's healing to do it,
I think. But I've I've in a situation and like
a lover proximity to a lover situation, held it for
days three days? Is my is my gas? Uh? No, sweetheart?
Something but full into a lada? No? Well, I know
I've said this before. You're probably a thousand times because
(28:02):
it's the most suffering um image. But the disturbing concept
that your body has to hydrate fecal matter. Okay, so
it doesn't turn into a rocket your belly. So basically
like ship is like dehydrating new because it's like your
body keeps flooding like flooding water and to keep it
soft so like you're watering. No, it's disgusting though, because
(28:23):
it's like it's like you're carrying. It's like either get
it out or care for it for the rest of
your life, your internally, not for a week. Okay. Part
of your hydration is going to keep that thing soft.
What Yeah, And so you're oh god, I just can't
believe we're embodied and that were It's just it's so
(28:43):
shocking when you think about I mean blood, blood alone,
and then the organs all of it, and then on
top of it ship. I mean, it's just I needed calonic.
I'm going in June. Whether you like it or not,
Let's go in June. I just now, I have my
dream for the Calonic again, it just doesn't exist, but
would be us lying in two chambers. But there's a
small I can do it drunk, although I think that
(29:07):
I think that's like a depressant to the system. So
you don't want that. Alcohol is poison, so you don't
want that. I think anything you want caffeineated peristalsis. Do
you see what I'm saying, Well, like you know, caffeine
gets the paristalsis going, Oh don't I know it? Doll Yeah?
Wait wait what were just saying? Wait? Oh, my dream
(29:28):
for the calotic is you and me in separate chambers.
But there's a small window at small door near just
our faces. Again, you can open that door and so
we can see each of these faces were obscured. I
want that so bad, A little door with a window.
So just so I could just see I just want
your eyes, like your sweet little face poking through. And
(29:48):
then but what's the audio though? Ship interesting question. I
think I think headphones so that we can just be
we recorded podcasts. Essentially, the audio is in the headphones. Also,
then I don't have to hear the sound of whatever
the tube is making. And all of them. It was
absolutely silent, as I recall, it was absolutely silent. Um.
(30:08):
The imagery of the Calonic for me is in is
it um? Oh my god? What's the movie with Steve
Martin and Sara Jessica Parker she has she talks about
getting colonic and she's like her tiny little body and
she's like, oh, it's wonderful and she's like six r
arms in the air and she's like this little her
like losers no ballet body. Yeah, because she was, you know,
famous for sort of keeping toned via ballet based workouts.
(30:32):
Really is that her secret? Always? Always? That was always
the thing, like it was always with her. She has
one of those bodies whom like she didn't even have
to work for it. It It just feels like, you know
what I mean, It just feels like that just is her.
She just is tending. Yeah, she's very tending already. Just
is that she has like I'm as you know, we're
watching sex in the City and a truly we're moving on.
(30:53):
I just was going to say, there's this one episode
where she's wearing this dress and her asses like so
incredible that it sent me into a depression permanently never
to return. Yeah, like it was. She pays like dark
grade Jess. She's leaving. I'll tell you right now, episode
shortcoming season two, She's leaving. The famous thing of Justin
Thorowe plays two different characters on the same show. He
(31:14):
plays one character in season one and the return season
two to play different character. So shocking they needed him
that bad we got we got it's Justin. It's Justin.
I mean, it's unimaginable. It's unimaginable bringing him in to
play different characters. I mean, is that not shocking? Maybe
someone fell out and he had to love that. I
love that. Maybe they're like Justin, They're like see that's
(31:35):
like when I would be like, I mean, what is this?
This is no different than if we were a theater
troupe of actors and their hundreds, you know, like we
play all the characters i'd go there. Sorry, I got
distracted because I was thinking like if that was like
I was imagining Sex and City, but all the characters
just play each other like that's useless. It's a useless
you know idea. I don't find it useless at all.
I think I appreciate that whatever. She's wearing this dress,
(31:57):
she's the final um scene of the episode in her
asses insane and it really captivated me. Interesting you you
really are consumed. It continues to come up with you.
I hear it in my head all the time. You're
going in my head, You're going I want a new
ass by Thursday or whatever. You're always like a new ass.
It's like your Callie action or something like, oh wait,
(32:21):
was it gonna say about colonics? Oh fuck, I don't know.
I lost it. There was something about you in California.
I don't know. Whatever does What do you think? Are
you impressed that I got a group on one? Because
I am is impressed? The word I would use. I
was walking down the street. I was walking down the
street and I saw this place I walked by and
it was it was just like Coons in front and Chris,
(32:47):
and I'm like, oh, my god, look like right in
the neighborhood, you know, like that kind of thing. Yeah,
why though, Like, why do I inherently fear the strip
mall calonic shop? Why why do I believe I know
that it's inherently dirty or bad. I remember hearing once
that the clonic you want is the gravity one that
a lot of times it's kind of like fancy places.
(33:09):
It's like the ship's like running horizontal, and that you
actually wanted to be the mark of like a truly
good colonic or serious colon assists or whatever the hell
you call them is. It's like gravitational. So it's up.
It's like the bag is up. Now you're laying down still,
but the water is going is pouring downwards, the water
pouring out of you. It's pouring downwards again. I have
(33:30):
no coloration. I just know I was watching. I just
do look for verticality. Speaking of verticality and the bowl,
somebody has two pepe. All right, I think we can
go to a break. You go to a break on
this kick us and BacT three pretty soon. Okay, all right,
(33:56):
welcome back, welcome back. Um we mentioned glecos fate. Okay,
I was radical. I can't get it right. What is
it like? Lifeo sate? Life life sate? But I was
radicalize round it it's a word glyph of skate going Okay,
(34:18):
I find my way. I'll just you know Kate has
been talking about it for years, okay, that she won't
eat what was the food? You would't eat a piece
of broccoli? I think oats? Well, the graph of state
is very present and a lot of conventional oats I
don't care your organic oats go to hell. The glyph
of state and them is through the roof. And what
is glyphosate? And so glepho say is uh okay? So
(34:40):
so round up it's like the chemical used and round
up and round up. I believe round up is whatever
exactly exactly, which is like a proven carcinogen and a
super toxic in an absolute nightmare. And so yeah, you
can test glyphosate levels and there's like a legal amount
of glyph of state, but really don't want any of
it and it's going through the roof. Kids can't save you? Organic, yeah,
(35:04):
organic can save you. And this week the glyphos sate
really hit me because I watched this videos. Big extinction
event is coming because of it, but don't worry, humanity
will pick up again and adapt and stop with this
bad farming practices. But it's like, yeah, we're we're we're
(35:25):
all kind of fucked. But also it's the whole thing
when I do this, when I don't get into it fully,
it's it's even more boring than getting into a fully.
So I'm not gonna get in the one pulling out
and we'll talk about near the experiences on the table.
Experiences on the table. And I want to tell you
the phone the phone store thing. The guy who said
us the store, Now, okay, you're ready, so so think
about it. Go into the phone store. I'm wearing a
(35:47):
classic pregnant tip off the Empire waste style dress, sleeveless
summer denim, so it's kind of you know, bando talk
and then it's flowing free down below. And and I
go into this store to return the energy Healer boss
I was working for at the time that you've worked
for as well, Anita, to return her phone. And the guy,
(36:08):
the guy, um, I was like, oh, sorry, yeah, I
don't have that number, and he did something really gross
and misogynist first of all, and he goes he goes um, Oh,
you can blame it. I'm being pregnant, like basically, blame
your fuzzy mind. Oh my god, blame it. I'm being pregnant,
which is its own insult. First of all, he's like,
and then and I just like, I'm not pregnant. Okay,
(36:29):
And then oh no, no, no, are you readybody said
so I'm not just say I'm gonna let's play out
the scene for fine. Okay, Well, blame it. I'm being pregnant.
I guess I'm not pregnant. It's not a bad thing.
Oh he was. He was. He was spiraling. It's not
not deranged. He was spiraling almost like pregnant women are
beautiful or like or like to carry a baby's in
(36:50):
honor makes no sense. He didn't know what to do.
He didn't know what to do. It's just I'd never
understand if, like, why anyone comments on anyone's body ever
cover but why why who reacts out loud or aloud?
It's out loud to me, you know what I mean,
sort of like buck naked or no butt naked as
(37:12):
a kid like naked. Yeah, and then they're like, find
out it's buck naked, which is a meaningless term like
in modern society and yet child, So anyway, that was something.
Are you familiar with near death experiences? Two things? Oh,
I actually don't want to tell you. Well, I don't
(37:34):
want to tell you. I just realized something that will
terrify you. I'm sure you've heard of it, and it'll
make you never want to get surgery. And I'm so
I'm actually wondering if I shouldn't tell you. I mean,
I'm going to just go. We know it's coming. You
probably already know about this. Are you familiar with the thing,
this horrifying thing I ever saw? Oh? No, okay, so
there's a thing you've probably heard of it where they
put you out for a surgery and you appear to
(37:55):
be out, but you're not. Stop. Okay, let's I'll stop
you right there to say I'll never forget this. I
have once heard an adult this is actually I'm glad
this is a memory coming up. I'm at a dinner party.
I'm at some party. I'm young, like you know, ten,
and I'm listening to this woman talk recount her recent
knee surgery. They put her out. She came to felt nothing,
but could feel her entire body quaking as they with
(38:18):
a you know, with a hammer basically go to her knee,
and she was just aware that the surgery was happening,
and she was completely conscious, painless, painless, thank god, but painless,
but unable to speak, and felt her whole body ricocheting
under the force of the hammer and never the same.
And as somebody who has had sleep paralysis, It's like
(38:39):
I've known what it feels like. I have been in
a state where I'm completely unable to move with I'm
aware that I'm you know, they're in my body, but
can't you know, trying to scream, scream, scream, can't, trying
to move, can't. So I've been there, Okay, it's how well,
it's truly hell to go even worse. I'm pretty sure
that the particular syndrome I'm talking about, you feel the pain,
(39:01):
oh Jesus, So you're fully experiencing it. You merely can't move,
scream or alert them that that you're there, So you're
trapped in your body screaming to the heavens now. The
good news is this is how I and I watched
them a movie about this. I'll have to find it
figure out what it was. But the good news is,
and this is what I take comfort in. This is
(39:21):
probably reason I like to try to ask or project
at night. Okay, what I want to learn how to
leave my body so that in such a situation I
want to pop out immediately. Okay, so the body is
I'm experiencing, you know, massive trauma via surgery. I want
to leap and throlling down the hallway, listening in on
the conversation area. I mean, this, this is this is
(39:42):
almost like it couldn't be more well, doc news, what
you're like, the good news is what you can ask
you'll project out? Is that I think that in that
level of pain, I think you'll slip out of your
body or essentially pass out inside of the prison of
the past, out for warm. But I'm like the brainwaves people,
(40:02):
actually I can't remember if the brain waves are visibly firing. Yeah,
like like no one's looking at it, like in the movie,
like like the monitors behind and the brainwaves are going
crazy as they're screaming internally. Is that not the most
hideous thing you've ever that that botched anesthesia? What is? It?
Always makes me laugh? Bosch is a great one. I'm
(40:25):
not sure. I mean it's it must be because you know,
aren't they sort of depressing different elements of the nervous system. Also,
what the funk is anesthesia? No clue? Like what is that?
Have you ever gotten? When I got it once? For
my wisdom teeth And I just remember getting into the chair.
I started lapping manically, really nervous because I was going under,
and I was like, couldn't stop laughing, And I'm like, okay,
(40:47):
you know, count down ten, nine out. You know, is
this in dignity that our bodies are capable, that our
consciousness is capable of just being turned off like that?
Just I know it's humili just splip a switch and
you're gone. Yeah, I mean, I think it's weird that
sleep even does that, Like, I like really embarrassing that
(41:08):
the body, over the course of the day literally cannot
maintain Like that's crazy that we can't survive without sleep,
Like I know, like our body like we'll fall to
the ground. Remember one time, like I was on this
school trip and I'd stayed up all night. It's like
I had like hide the fact that I had been
up all night and I was so tired that we
(41:29):
were walking along on my knees were buckling in the street,
okay literally, and then we're in a warm museum with
the other classmates between two friends, like my knees get
going down, cute and like the body can't you know
what I mean? Like sleep is it is very sci fi.
It's like sleep is. And don't get me started on
the fact that we dreamed during it. I mean, it's
(41:50):
just absolutely insane. No one knows what the hell is
going on. I remember watching this video to Science Museum
about like eight and it was like it was like
the brains, the Final Frontier and all that kind of stuff.
It really just I love language about love. When things
are called the final frontier, that excites you. It excites me,
like it's like the last taboo is another one that
excites me. Like someone being like like gut health is
(42:12):
the last taboo? Yeah, well, gut health. By the way,
if we don't get serious about it now I'm joking, obviously,
get health is. I know. If we don't get serious
about gut health now, we're not. We won't get serious
about it. We have to, and is it people don't care.
I care, and I'm scared. Hence the probiotics. Oh no,
I got so well buying them, and I took you know,
(42:36):
I was on the seed wave, you know, when Seed
came out eighteen thousand years ago. I was there. It's
like this expensive probiotic brand seed, and I was, you know,
did it? And then of course there were like no
changes or like no noticeable difference. So I stopped, even
though it's not the goal, Like noticeable difference isn't necessarily
(42:56):
the goal, I guess, but I stopped in probiotics for
one of those things that me daily well, probiotics, pre biotics.
I saw some pre biotics, you know, the whole question
of okay, now we got to load with pre. The
ways you can go wrong, the ways you can go wrong.
Apparently an unripe banana loaded with it with what pre
or both pre with pre, okay with pre, and then
super ripe is pro okay, So we follow up followed
(43:20):
by yeah, one after the next. I mean, there's other
ways to get pre biotics, which I think isn't pre biotic,
just like fiber or something. It's a mess. And but
here's the reason that I'm motivated, because I see the
digestive system, I know, like or like keeping things running.
I'm like, in my mind, we can come back from that.
But the devastation about why we have to heal them
micro birome, as far as I can tell, is has
(43:42):
to do like leaky gut. Laky gut syndrome. Leaky gut
syndrome is like minor perforations in the digestives track and
it leaks the talk like leaks your ship into your blood.
And and then is that what it is? Authority? Authority?
I don't think it's that you leak your ship in
your But isn't it that nutrients don't That's the different
thing that's not leaky gut. That's the lining of the
(44:05):
intestine is covered with crans from kindergarten, okay, and so
it's like there's nothing it can't digest it. But leaky
gut is literally and this is the thing that this
week with the glyphs fate okay, glepha state, is that
these microspaces in these structures the blood blain geez, the
blood brain that wasn't even a fake one. The second one,
(44:28):
you know, you know, it's a pet peeve of mine.
The whole like someone misspeaks, and I'm like, I really
prefer to just hear a little flip in the word
I don't need this performing. I'm not full, you know.
It was like I can't talk. Yeah, it's the worst.
People are so frag wit what we're talking about? Oh
(44:49):
so blood brain barrier? Uh gut k And then like
some other ones, they're all everything's leaking okay, and the
chemical is coursing through us. And what this I said?
And we'll find that, I'll find the source text is
that our cells are forgetting their self identity. Oh Christ,
like it's actually rewiring where autoimmune comes in. It's it's
(45:13):
this isn't my body, this is not my body. God,
that's so that's so scary. But what is the key?
What is the thing? What? What is it? I mean,
also die joyously right, like soaked me in chemicals and
take me out? Who cares? Right? I mean, wait, that's
not true. I forgot about other people. I forgot about
other people. I was testing out the concept okay of
(45:35):
who cares. I'm like, oh right, right right, But these
like globally funk everyone not everyone wants to just die
with a martini in their hands. Not an option for all. Yeah,
this is when I get when I spiral into you know, water, water, water,
you know, it's like anything just the talk, no, no,
just the toxins. Like it's like the poisons in the water,
(45:55):
the poisons in the air, the poisons in the rain,
the porters, the poisons there like the song, poisons in
the air, the poisons in the rain. The port is
in the food, and the port is in the rain
the rain, Okay, and then like if we can't do
anything about it, will all die Martinian hand. Yeah, and
(46:15):
they are personal narrative. Yeah, yeah, so do the goddamn
shuffle because it's over soon anyway. Yeah, that's why it's
like I'm not a survivalist, like right, like yes, I
want to optimize, but not so much that I like waste,
Like I don't want to waste my time optimizing them
to get to die by coconut to the head. Right,
It's like like that's the ultimate kind of horror. It
(46:38):
would be like over emphasis on health and food purity
and then you get you're taken out by a bus. Right,
So yeah, it's kind of like don't go too crazy
because you're almost begging the universe to take you out
the old fashion the gods. You're tempting the gods with
your hubris. Okay, you're probiotic hubris, you're just asking to
have an anvil fall. But then you know, that becomes
(46:59):
a some crazy superstition right where it's almost like when
someone's like says they won't quit smoking or whatever because
they could get And by the way, this is another
pet peeve of mine. It's always hit by a bus
tomorrow every time, right right, Okay, you get hit by
a bus tomorrow, an keep smoking. It's always hit by
a bus tomorrow. And it's like, first of all, like
they're acting like they're facing the reality of the fact
they could die anytime, but they still put it off
(47:21):
to tomorrow. Do you see it's too harsh. I can't
say I could be hit by a bus, or they
don't say I could have an aneurysm right now, right now.
It's always I could have an aneurysm tomorrow, you know, right, Yeah,
the bus is like really big for people. And then
it's it's almost like they're rooting for their own death
by bus because that would legitimize the cigarette smoking. It's
like they're hoping to die, not of the cigarettes. To
(47:43):
make the point that it was a great choice all along,
so I was getting lost thinking about and aneurysms, as
you know, always top of the list for me, top
of the list. Also an adult to let me know,
remember being on my friend's house and her parents being like, oh,
so and so I hadn't aneurysm out of nowhere, just
(48:05):
died right there at the kitchen table or whatever. And
I was like, okay, well, I'll never recover from this,
so thank you. The fear, though, I'm like that to
me is like kind of like being hit on the
have with a coconut. Well, actually no, because I actually
feel like you can avoid the coconut a little better
if you keep your wits about you. We're a strong
sp advisor, okay something No, you can protect. Cocon to
(48:26):
the head though, to me is kind of romantic because
in it I'm imagining, you know, oh, you're you're having
a beautiful afternoon on the beach. Coconut hits you, it's over.
How do you feel about afternoon? A sensation of afternoon? Afternoon?
Afternoon once again be obviously deeply depressing and terrifying. Thank you.
The liminal space between sleeps, you know, like not yet asleep,
(48:50):
you're fully awake. The afternoon of the day, right at
the hypnogogic the hypnogogic state of the day. You know,
that's that place where he wrote Kubla Khan. However, wrote Kublaican.
I always forget color ridge, cold color ridge, color ridge.
In every I have no clue. But in every book
I read on creative practices. Ublicans friends, they love to
talk about him writing Kubla Khan in the dreamsty Oh wait,
(49:14):
I love this. There's another one. I read some of
these guys around this time. So they would try to
get into the hypnagoguic gaget whatever um jogi state and
to write and to have visions and whatever, and so
they what someone what they would do is they would
like relax, They put they balance a spoon on their hand, okay,
and beneath the spoon was a pot on the ground
or something, and they dropped the spoon because they're actually
(49:37):
truly falling asleep. The clatter would wake them up, so
they keep themselves from falling into a true sleep. Why
the pot underneath? So it claims, yeah, we wouldn't just
hit the floor make the same sound. Not enough, actually,
loud clan. Surely a wooden floor, clang clang clang goes
the trolley and the gog to stay in hypnagogue. It
(50:01):
is not very attractive to me. To me, it is
to linger there. I mean it sounds like a nightmare
but not be able to slip into sleep. Yeah, but
that's here's here's what happens. Playing clang clang goes to trolley.
Now you're right, and it goes. Now you then you
jot down Kubla Khan or whatever. Okay, you jot down
your epic call. That's very real. That's that's real because
(50:22):
then you can sleep, then you can listen, because don't
you have that experience. There is that thing right before
you fall asleep where you start having crazy ideas and
it's just start forming that makes no sense, or you
start having I mean, that is incredible. That is so real.
I think that's the hypnagogue. Oh, it's the real sweet
spot because that's when narrative like collapses and you're able
to just like words just start forming and ideas like
(50:44):
I've had I get like into these kind of emphatic
monologues right in that space. But I'm talking about like
what I'm talking about makes no sense, much like poog. Yeah,
but hi, dare I dare that? How dare you do
a good podcast? How is that? I thought I heard
a little bit of your irish When you do that?
(51:06):
You know I can't do it if it's requested. I mean,
there's nothing worse, of course not. I would never. I
would never right after wrap in a second, so I'm
gonna have to wrap it up. But there was something
in closing. What it was Kate just talking about polling
you asleep doing the Yeah, yeah, the hypnogogiah yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want to explore that further, and I want to
maybe one day we'll do we'll do the clanger on poog,
(51:27):
like we'll go there, we'll whisper the visions, like we'll
basically try to go to sleep on poog. I think
the listeners would really enjoy that, as attempting a nap
on poog could be revolutionary. All right, it's all I
got revolutionary. Jesus, try a new word. I need six
new words now, I need them yesterday. I need like
new words to enter because because we are suffering under
(51:50):
our own, our coats have become I haven't read for
I can't read the last couple of days. I can't
do it, won't do it, Okay, honestly, I thought this
was a joy. I want everyone to know first. Well,
I don't think ship is funny, Okay, I don't like
bathroom humor as we think. It's very serious and we're
very serious. And I'm going to listen to me klonic
in June's happening. Sure, i'll go today. Don't even tempt me, sweetie,
(52:14):
because I know a place. Why your bye? All right,
we gotta wrap up. I don't know. I'm scared still,
I guess Okay, I'll bring you. I'll deliver you. Okay, great,
all right, I love you. I love you. That was food.
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