January 22, 2025 • 54 mins
Kate and Jeremy sit down and unpack the full story of how Kate got to where she is today. Kate starts her story at 12 years old, playing lacrosse in Glen Rock, New Jersey. She recounts the traumatic experiences of tearing her ACL twice and how it forced her to pivot from her goal of becoming a D1 lacrosse player to pursuing a creative career. Kate shares what her experience at college was like and her early jobs after graduating. The two of them recall wanting to create an online show and how the idea of The Running Interview Show ultimately came to be.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What is up, Runner Gang. Welcome back to Post run High.
This is my first semi solo episode of twenty twenty five,
and I say semi solo episode because we filmed this
conversation in two parts. Currently, I'm sitting here in my
office in Brooklyn, New York. But three weeks ago, I
(00:23):
was in Joshua Tree, California with my fiance and he
had the idea of doing a reverse interview on me,
where we do a deep dive into my life and
kind of unpack all the things that make me me
and make me who I am today. On top of that,
at the end of this episode, Jeremy is going to
(00:45):
sit back down with me here in New York and
we are going to go over some takeaways from the
episode and any key learnings that I think can apply
to your guys's life. Without further ado, Please make sure
you guys subscribe to this channel. Your support means the
world to me, and also follow me across social media
Instagram and TikTok at Kate Max. Let's get into the
(01:09):
full story of me. So for context, Jeremy and I
are currently in Joshua Tree, California. We come here every
year over the holidays, and it's actually where we got
engaged last year, so it's a very special place to us.
(01:30):
And we did go for a four mile run. Got
to keep it authentic, guys. It's called post run high
for a reason.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Elevation here is no joke. Yeah, the airs, then maybe
I'm just am I out of shape. It was tough
keeping up with Kate today was a struggle.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I think Jeremy always asks me after a run. He's like,
how are you feeling? Was that hard for you? And
I feel like you forget that. I literally do this
every single day for a job, so it's.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Like quite aware of what you do for HELLOAI.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So my stamina is there. But I do have to
say today was kind of hard. I was definitely breathing heavy,
and it was so cold outside. I feel like whenever
I'm running in cold weather, I just feel it more
in my lungs.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
We're at Walmart yesterday and Kate asked to check out person.
She's like, we're in California, said it's supposed to be
warm here. He's like, I mean, we're in the desert.
In the summer it's really really hot and in the
winter it's really really cold.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, so if you're planning a trip to josh Wit Tree,
you just know that all year round it's beautiful. The
summer apparently is very very hot, and the winter is chilly.
It kind of feels like late fall. Here is the
weather I would describe like if you're a New Yorker,
which I feel like a lot of my listeners are
New Yorkers, or you're in a city that gets cold
in the late fall winter, that's that's kind of what
(02:43):
it feels like here in Joshua Tree.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, it is beautiful, and I'm so thankful to be here.
We're at a house that Frank Sinatra supposedly lived in.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Which, by the way, I've been very freaked out by.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yes, the ghost of Frank Sinatra is with us. I'm
personally a big fan of the ghost. I I welcome
the ghosts. If the ghost you know, wherever you are
in the house, you're listening right now, m All, I
love you, You're, You're, You're, You're. Goadd Kate is a little
bit more frightened by the ghost of Frank.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's a very big house. I think I realized really
quickly that I'm so used to apartment living that when
I get into a really big house that just has
all this space, I'm like a little spooked by it.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, let's get into some things.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
So Kate has a lot of valuable things to share
it I think would be pretty insightful for you to
you guys. One of them is definitely not how to drive,
because she can't really help anybody there. But what I
think would be awesome, uh is just like I would
love to hear kind of how you got to where
you are. I mean, you're doing a podcast alongside iHeartRadio.
(03:47):
Your running interview show has probably gotten like maybe even
like a billion views at this point, Like a we
should probably do some do some data on that one.
But you quit your job I guess probably about a
year and a half ago, right, and you're kind of
building a media media company and then producing shows and
(04:08):
you know, pushing the envelope doing some really cool things.
So Kate, like walk us back, like all right, you
were in New Jersey. Yeah, And I think I think
what will be helpful to kind of learn about like
what your initial motivator was and kind of tie that
into running and how running is so authentic to you.
But walk us back to like twelve years old, Like,
(04:30):
what were you doing well at that time? What was
like your life trajectory, and did you have some like
pivotal moment there that really changed things for.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You twelve year old Kate. Let's see, I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Kind of scared at twelve year old Kate personally, are
you maybe twelve year old Kate?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I'll I'll pull my ear muscle on.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I mean, I guess I can give you the backstory
on me as a person because I haven't really done that,
which is so weird. It's like, I feel like so
much of my life is online.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, you're interviewing other people.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, like that's what you do, Like you run interview,
you sit down post run high interview.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's crazy because I feel like so much of my
life is online in a sense, because I post videos
almost every single day of what I'm up to during
that week, you know, running with people, sitting down talking
to people now for post run High. But at the
same time, you guys really don't know that much about me,
and so I'm really excited for this episode because we're
(05:26):
digging into it. I guess, starting with when I was twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Years old to twelve years old, we're in sixth grade. Okay,
which middle school?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay? So growing up. So, I grew up, as I said,
in a small town in New Jersey called Glenarack, New Jersey.
The whole town was a mile by a mile. I'm
one of three kids. I have two older brother sorry,
I have two brothers. They're older than me. But one
of them happens to be my twin brother, Brendan, who's
like one of my best friends. Love Brendan to death.
He's very involved with all of the interviews that I do.
He's always helping me with research. So Brendan and I
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and my older brother we're all super super close. And
and yeah, I grew up in a family of five
with you know, two other siblings, and then I had
my two parents, and we were very active kids. I
would say, like my mom for a majority of my
early life like stayed at home with us, and my
dad worked in the city. So like my day to
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day growing up wash you know, my dad would be
up at probably I think that man wakes up at
like four am and would drive into New York City
and go to work. And then my mom would you know,
take us to school and k through eighth grade. I
went to a Catholic grammar school, which I think is
so strange to think about because most of my friends
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went to public schools where you're in classes with like
or you have grades of, you know, three hundred plus people,
two hundred plus people. But kindergarten through eighth grade I
went to school with I think it was like forty kids.
Maybe it was forty four as the grades, you know,
as we went up in school and more kids kind
of transferred in, but k through eighth grade I was
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with the same let's call it forty kids for that
many years, and it was amazing. It was like such
a blessing. I loved going to school there and that
was my life. And then outside of school, you know,
we did all the extracurricular kind of activities that kids do,
and my parents really loved sports for us. You know,
we were all very active kids, and we took a
liking at a young age two sports. And the main
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sport that I really really liked was lacrosse. And I've
talked about this before, but I come from a family
of all lacrosse players except my parents.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
For context, her brothers were national champion lacrosse players in
college Division one yeah, so not just lacrosse players, but
very good lacrosse players.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh. Got to the point where, like I have, my
parents are so type A to the point where, like
at a certain point in my grade school, like let's
call it eleven twelve years old, my mom would put
together workouts for us to do in the backyard, practicing
our stick skills, like practicing ground balls and really just
playing with each other because she knew that if they
want to be great, they need to be practicing a ton,
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you know, because that's what other kids were doing. That
like really liked lacrosse, which is like so funny to
think about, because when I think about lacrosse, like it's
such a Northeast sport, and like there's so many memes
you can make out of lacrosse. But that was like
my childhood.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I was you were from the Northeast, you were from
a lacrosse town, your brothers played lacrosse.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes, I played lacrosse.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You got good at it?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, And that was my like, that was my life.
Like by the time I was twelve, I mean I
did other sports, right, because I was at this Catholic
grammar school and I always did you know, the wreck
basketball and the wreck volleyball and done. In the spring,
I would do lacrosse in my town, and then in
the summer months, I was traveling around at lacrosse camps
and lacrosse tournaments, all in fucking lax bros. Okay, that's
(08:45):
what we were doing. She was a Lexis, yeah and yeah.
And then I ended up going to high school at
this school called Immaculate Heart Academy for one year. And
I chose the school actually because one of the lacrosse
camps that I went to every summer was at IJ
and I loved the coach there so much, and like
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she took a liking to me. All I wanted to
do was play lacrosse at that high school, like my
entire life. I was like when I was at those camps,
I was like, I want to be like kid of
the week, you know, like I wanted all the older
girls to like me, because all the older girls that
were teaching the camp were girls that went to that
high school. So I remember being a freshman and I
(09:27):
was like, oh my god, I can't wait till the
spring when I can try out try out for the
lacrosse team. But obviously lacrosse is a spring sport, and
I had to figure out something to do in the
fall months and the winter months, and so in the
fall month I started doing cross country for the first time.
And it was funny because I never wanted to identify
as like a cross country runner, because like it was
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just so different than what I was so used to,
which is like contact sports and being on a sports
team and like assisting girls and just having I mean,
playing team sports is just so fun. Field sports it
really you can relate as a basketball player, right, like
field sports are other sports too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, my well, not to talk about me, but my
siblings are. One of them was a college triathlete, the
other one was a college swimmer, and those were actually
as kids, swimming was like the sports our parents put
us into, and I did that versus playing soccer and
masketb when I was like, oh my god, soccer and
masketball are so much more fun. And it's because team sports,
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but they're fun.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah. So I went to high school and when I
was a freshman, I tried out for the or I
didn't try out because anybody could walk on to it.
I did the cross country team, and I very quickly
realized I was a good runner, which I knew because
when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Running up and down that lacrosse field.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yes, when I was younger, every single sport that I did,
like I was that girl that they would call like wheels,
like I was very speedy. You know, that was my thing,
and guys, I lost that. But we'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Her highlight tape is literally like her picking up the
ball behind the goal type.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
In Kate Mackie Lacrosse highlight on YouTube and you can
go down a little.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Worm after this episode.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
This episode right now we are locked in, but like
her videos are literally her picking up the ball like
behind her own goal, sprinting all the way to the
other side, dodging four girls and then nailing at top
right corner, and then next thing, same exact play, just
running one side of the field all the way over
the other.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It was fun back then, and so I think that's
important context to note because like even before cross country,
I loved to run, and like I would growing up,
like go for runs with my mom. I remember her
distinctly in her little tennis skirts and we would do
five k's around the town and you know, I just
I really loved loved to run. Always, whether it was
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in a sport on my own or you know, on
a fields, it just was something that I naturally gravitated
towards and was always kind of known for. And so
when I went to high school and I tried out
for the cross country team and I started racing, I
very quickly realized like, oh, this is something that not
only am I taking a liking to, but I'm actually
like decent at it. And I was actually at this
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school I was on basically the way cross country works,
I don't know if it works the same, but it's
the top seven girls are varsity. And I remember I
was like only doing cross country to have my conditioning
good for when I tried out for the lacrosse team,
but very quickly I made the top seven as a freshman,
and I remember being like, wow, this is kind of interesting,
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like you know, I definitely am taking a liking to this.
And then winter track came around, and same kind of thing,
Like I was decent enough where I was, you know,
one of the top runners on the team. Then I
go on to my lacrosse season, which is that spring,
and I try out and I made varsity and I
was ecstatic. I was like the only girl out of
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all the freshmen that made the varsity team, and I
was actually ended up being a starter. And that was
like my fucking dream. Imagine that, like all throughout my
middle school years, I'm going to this camp and then
all of a sudden, I make the varsity team and
I'm a starter and they were really really good team
in the state. And it was in that freshman season,
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towards the end of it that I had a like
career changing injury. I jumped up to intercept a pass
and before I knew it, I landed and I tore
my ACL, MCL and meniscus. So I went from being
varsity cross country, let's call it varsity winter track, varsity lacrosse.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And getting recruited to play like high division one in college.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
At the time, I was getting looks from college coaches
for lacrosse, and like literally like night and day, like my,
how do I snap my within an instant, like that
was kind of over Honestly, me at twelve was very
different than me at fourteen, because be at twelve was
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like I literally remember, I have this letter that I
wrote to myself in the sixth grade that was kind
of like a letter that our teacher had us write
to ourselves and she mailed it to us when we
were I think seniors in high school, and I have
it in what I called my special box. And in
that letter, I wrote to myself, you know, like you're
gonna go on to be like a d one lacrosse player,
and like I remember, I had this goal of being
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on like lacrosse magazine, like standing next to my brothers,
like I thought that was the coolest thing ever, literally
tearing up talking about this because you know, that was
my dream. And then so that's twelve year old Kate,
as you asked, you know, focused on that. And then
fourteen year old Kate is like, well, that's kind of
over because I just like knew you know, when people
come back from ACL surgeries. But as the story will
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go on, I did my recovery, did my rehab, very
dedicated to wanting to come back and go be performing
at the same level that I was, And during that
year doing rehab, I was so emotional over it that
I was like, I can't be the only person going
through this right now. And through the rehab that I
was doing in the physical therapy kind of after the surgery,
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I quickly realized there's so many kids my age and
so many girls my age that tear their acls. So
I started a blog which doesn't exist anymore, but I
do have some of the old videos that I can share.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
She deleted it when I found it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, it was so embarrassing for me, which I'm like, gosh,
that's cold.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I wish you we got to find it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, but I made this website.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Or belog someone listening, Well, we'll find.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It video please. I don't know how search the dark web.
I don't know. But the website was.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Called so perfectly translates to why you're doing now?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yes it does. So I started documenting my recovery blogging it,
and it was so cool because I literally started this
online community during that year. When I'm fourteen fifteen now
going into my sophomore year of high school, I started
an online community where people would come up to me
and be like, your blog documenting your ACL surgery made
me feel so much better about going into this surgery.
(15:50):
And it was just a really cool thing that I
did when I was that age. And then anyways, I
went back to lacrosse and I ended up retearing my ACL, which.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I can only imagine after a year of training and
blogging it and fun fact, during that year, uh, you
happen to be on the same like ACL recovery timeline
as legend Mariana Rivera.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I did, and we got surgery at the same hospital,
the Hospital for Special Surgery. Shout out to doctor Kurdasco
and doctor Green, They're literally the best of the best.
And yes, I did uh do PTE a couple times
with Marianna Rivera.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
But like, I think that's also fitting for you know,
CAP didn't really make it a big deal. You know,
she was doing pet with Mariano Rivera. When I heard that,
I was like, oh my god, that is epic. I
can only imagine. I mean, I was I like the Yankees,
especially like Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Alex Rodriguez, like that era,
and you were with marian I'm pretty much at the
end of of you know, his era, but he was
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still you know, bawling out like he was still extraordinarily relevant.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But you didn't really make too much of it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know, it was cool, like it was chill, And
I think maybe that translates to kind of what you
do for a living now, which is you know, interacting
with a lot of people who you know might some
might get starstruck vibe.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You really don't.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
This whole thing that we do, like the running interview
show started, So.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's when it started.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Really, I mean, if you were going to find it
through so it was you documenting your journey, it was
it was.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Me documenting my journey, learning how to video edit, really
enjoying video editing, Like there's nothing I love more than
getting into an edit. Storytelling is at the heart of
everything I do. And while I love, you know, sharing
my story with other people in the hopes that it
can inspire help another young girl that maybe is currently
going through what I went through fifteen years ago, I
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love sharing other people's stories because it's like not all
about me. And one of the big parts about my
blog when I was younger was I had a forum
where people could share their own stories, and people started
engaging with one another and it became its community of
its own that honestly, like, yeah, I posted videos to it,
but it completely operated in its own way, and people
made friends from it, and it was a pretty wild thing.
(18:00):
It was by no means like massive, but we had
like a couple thousand people on there.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Pretty niche, pretty niche.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I mean, that's the fact that there are a couple thousand,
like young girls who have torn their ACL at the
same time is remarkable in itself. And fast forward though,
So you did the recovery with marian A fun fact, and.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Then did the recovery retorm my ACL.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And what did that feel like to like walk me through,
like what happened there? And like what what went through
your mind?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I remember it so crystal clear, literally my ACL surgery
and like going through that transformed me into a different person.
Like I swear to god, I jumped timelines because when
the year mark came around and I was back to
playing lacrosse, I was I had done my high school season,
and to keep in mind, I actually transferred from IHA
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back to my public school. It was something my parents
really wanted me to do. They wanted me to be
closer to home. And it was in that summer season
that I was back at like my first practice on
my summer teams, which I played for Steps Lacrosse. If
anybody knows of it, any of you listening are Steps
prior Steps players or current Steps players.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
That was sure that very niche.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
They actually re shared one of my videos one time,
and I was like, but anyways, yeah, and I was back,
and I remember I was playing defense, which is something
that I loved, Like, I loved playing defense. I think
that was like the one thing about me, like as
a midfielder, like I loved scoring goals and like playing
attack and assisting people, but I love defense because I
thought it was so fun. And that's where like you
get kind of technical, because it's either like you have
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it or you don't when it comes to defense. Anyways, sidebar,
But yeah, it was just laterally.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Stepping and being a lacrosse coach might be in Kate's future.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Oh my god, I'd be such a good lacrosse coach,
but I can't. My Yeah, I have coached whatever. I
have toddled a lot of camps even past moving on, though,
I remember the moment that I retored. I was playing
defense on a girl and I laterally stepped and instantly
the graf to retour and I fell to the ground.
And first tearing my ACL was never painful. There was
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not one part of either tear that I remember or
was painful. But I do remember in that moment tearing
my ACL. My mom was actually at the practice in
her car and she like runs over and I obviously
like burst into tears. I'm like, oh my god, I know,
I just retore my ACL, which is kind of funny
because even the year prior, my fourteen year old self
had no fucking idea what an ACL was. And I
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was like, I think I just tore my ACL. So
you just kind of know when it happens. And I
remember saying my mom and that car ride, like we're
gonna go get the MRI. But if it comes back
that like the graft is completely torn again, like I
am not gonna go through with surgery again, and I
am done playing lacrosse. Isn't that sad? Oh my god,
(20:57):
you scrow me. It's okay, gonna make me cry. Oh
my god, you're making me cry.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So you tore it that second time.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
At that point, it was evident one door had closed, Yes,
did another open?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yes? Yes? Yes? Oh my god, yeah, I have something
that can really make you cry. But I won't do
it too.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Do it. Come on, I want to hear it, come on, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So after I tore my AL, my mom was like
I need to distract her and as you know, I
love stores with random shit.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So literally driving back from this steps lacrosse practice and
with a tor yes. And my mom is like a
tiger mom, so like while she was doing good stuff
for me, she was also like telling me how it is.
She was like, if you retore your a cl which
fucking pray you read you didn't, We're gonna have to
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figure out what you're gonna do, you know, because your
grades aren't great and lacrosse was all your folks to
do when you talk about a differentiator college application wise,
I was already end of my sophomore year now in
high school going into my junior year, like I was
somebody that was on track to play deep on the cross.
That's what my older brothers were doing. That's like what
I thought I was gonna do. So I literally had
my mom saying, who's like so type I so tig
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your mom. Right after a doorsl She's like, I don't
know what you're gonna do, Like this is a disaster.
So I'm like already feeling down bad and all of
a sudden, I'm like, oh my god, it's over whatever.
So that was like a bad thing, and then moving forward.
I remember she's whatever. She ends up taking me to
a store on the way back that just like has
a bunch of like random stuff like anything from like
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your random Christmas ornaments to like the cute I don't know,
like just cute knickknacks and shit, like I love that stuff.
I can get lost in one of those stores. And
I see this like plaque. It was like one of
those quote plaques that you put kind of above your
door or wherever you want, and it said life isn't
about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning
to dance in the rain. And she was like, you
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buy one thing, And so I bought that.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Where'd you put it?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So I put it in my room and I looked
at it literally every day, and I was like, well,
I loved video editing, like I loved my blog. And
there was always a side of me growing up that like,
while my parents pushed athletics, like, I was also like
very artistic and I did a lot of oil painting
classes growing up and I loved it, like I loved
painting still lives, and I really liked like Haynd drawing,
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and so I was like, I know what I'm gonna do,
like I'm gonna lean into art, like I'll start applying
to schools because I always thought kind of like after
college I would go into a job in advertising or
something creative. But it was in this moment where I
was no longer playing the sport and going to college
for it, that I was like, I can really figure
out what I want to do in college, you know,
like I can really sit down and like get it
good at an actual skill. And that's exactly what I did.
(23:50):
I worked with this guy, Frank Riley for my junior
year and my senior year, and Frank Riley's this incredible artist,
and we together he helped me, you know, put together
my art portfolio and he really like taught me how
to watercolor, paint and use charcoal and it was really cool.
And we put this vast portfolio together that had like
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all these different mediums, and I shotgunned every single school
that had like a top art program, like I applied
to Parsons Pratt f T, Syracuse's Art School, Boston University,
Boston University's Art School, Risdy, and I got ended up
getting into every single school that I applied to granted.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And then you went to none of them, and.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Then I went to none of them, which is kind
of weird.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
There was some there was some parental influence there, yes, yes, yes,
or maybe safe to say, yeah, your parents didn't want
you as Parsons as much as they wanted you getting
a marketing or you know, finance degree, something more in
line with what they were familiar with.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, my parents ended up really pushing like you should
go to a school for business and marketing and go
into advertising, you know, and you know, in hindsight, in
hindsight twenty twenty, like the schools that I was choosing
between were parsons for the visual arts program and ended
up being foredam and I really wanted a school in
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New York City. I grew up forty five minutes away
from the city. I loved going into the city. I
like after Terry macill and going through all of that.
One of the things that I also did when I
was a junior and senior is I took a lot
of weekend classes at f IT, which I loved so much,
and I would literally after the classes just walk around
the city all day. I remember my dad would give
me like twenty bucks and I would just like you know.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Going in some dollar slice.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah exactly. I would just walk around. There was actually
a place called MEXICU that I loved, going to.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Shout in Mexico. Yeah, but you went to Fordham. He
studied marketing.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Went to Fordham studied marketing. Like, didn't have the best
college experience.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
You met me, but yeah, not at Fordham, but while
you were in college while I was in college.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Oh my gosh, Like, whenever I see content creators and
I've intern you a lot of content creators that have
these incredible college experiences. Even you you had an awesome
college experience, Like I really didn't have that. And I
think it was because, like I was so fucking confused
as a person. Like after like my whole life, my
whole early life was kind of like changed. So suddenly
in my teens, I feel like my late teens in
high school and the beginning of college, like I was
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figuring myself out, you know, like I was figuring out, like, okay,
outside of a sport, who were my friends? You know?
Like who do I hang out with? Because growing up,
like I was always just friends with the girls on
my sports teams. But by my sophomore year, I transferred
to the city campus. I went to Fordham Lincoln Center,
and I loved it, and I realized that the thing
that I just had to do for myself was start
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getting internships. And that's exactly what I did. So I,
you know, worked multiple jobs when I was in college.
I started out as a waitress when I was a freshman,
and then by my sophomore year, I started working at
a creative agency. Shout out Shanda. She was my mentor
and I like owe everything to her in college, and
then she helped me get my next job, which was
at like another creative agency, and I kind of agency bounced.
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And then when I graduated, I started working in advertising.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So you were working in advertising, and I do think
at a certain point you were kind of like you
looked above and said, who are the people who I'm
working for? Who are the people they are working for?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You know? This is this is this is what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah. So I graduated. I graduated a year or early.
I ended up like paying for my last year of college,
so I was like, let me expedite this shit.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
When I met Kate, I think I met going into
our senior year, and you were like taking night classes,
you were working during the day, you were taking like
a full eighteen hour credit load at night, and you
were like, I'm finishing early. Like that was like the
first thing you said. I'm like, geez, girl, you're doing
a lot like everything, Okay, You're like, I got to
finish early.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I was like, let me just nail this job that
I'm doing at these internships, build out my resume, and
graduate early. And it all ended up working out. I
graduated early, and yeah, I started working and advertising. One
job ended up leading to the next, which was this
company called Lippincott that I was so excited to work out,
and for about six months of it, I was thriving.
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There was an older girl that had gone to Fordam
that helps me get the interview, and I just thought
the work they were doing was fascinating. I thought it
was so cool, so many lovely people at the company.
And then this new bitch came into town and she
became my boss, and I don't know what it was
about me, but she did not like me, and I
knew it immediately. It's kind of like dating where you
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just know immediately whether you like him or don.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I feel like I was site.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It was not love at first site, and she was
the worst. I remember she picked on me everything I
did was wrong, and I was like, I just know
everything I'm doing isn't wrong, Like I have so much experience,
Like I'm very creative and like, at least I'm being
proactive and at suggesting ideas and adding value in the
way that I could. Like I knew I wasn't doing
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a bad job, you know, like I'm such a hard worker.
But she just had it out for me.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Well, she probably didn't like that you were suggesting things
and giving ideas. You know, some people some people like that,
they like the initiative. Some people don't. They they go, hey,
who are you to? Who are you to, like tell
me what I did wasn't right, And I don't think
you have like the patience or you're direct, You're very directly.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't know. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I mean at the time, it's not that I was
being super direct, right, like they were my bosses, and
everything I did was like super polite and super nice.
And I actually remember her saying to me in one
of my reviews, like you should work in social media.
And maybe she was right, like maybe she saw something there. Anyway,
she ended up firing me actually during COVID, which was
(29:44):
like the worst time to get fired. That's when you
and I started like hanging out a lot, and I
was scrambling for new work. And what was actually really
lucky is at the time that I got fired, it
was almost okay because I had a lot of other
freelance gigs that I was doing.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Well, we had one big one, Well, I have a couple.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I had a couple. I was helping one of Jeremy's
aunts run her social media business for her Essential Oil company.
After doing the Essential Oil Company for a while, I
was like, this is so fun. Let me see if
I can get a few new clients. So I was like,
I should just go into some businesses around Brooklyn and
New York and like see if they need any help
with their social media. So I went into this one
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company called or one coffee shop called PQ Coffee Roasters,
I think that's what it was called. And it was
so cool, like the whole place was decked out. It
was so aesthetic. It was very colorful. If you live
in Williamsburg, I don't even know if it's still there.
I think it is, because I think they expanded. They
were expanding at the time, but I walked in and
I was like, you know, I just said, hey, you know,
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I would love to help you guys with your social media,
and very quickly they became one of my clients as well,
and that was really cool. I was being so scrappy.
I went in with like my dad's old camera and
I was taking pictures and editing the photos and taking videos,
and yeah, I was kind of awesome. But it was
just also showed that, you know, while a lot of
this stuff at the time was also online sending resumes around,
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I also just walked right into the storefront and I said, hey,
I need a job, and I think I can help you.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And at the time, you had started posting social media
around around this time from your own account.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, and it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Wasn't it's not what you're doing today. Yeah, it was
very much you like building your base.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yes, yeah, so I started, I, like so many of
you guys, like, I love social media. I think it's
so fun. I was sharing, you know, what I eat
in the day and day in the life. And I
was also training for the New York City Marathon. For
the twenty twenty one New York City Marathon, and I
was like, let me document this, so I started documenting my.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I remember your like your the Squid Games. I think
that was your first video that ever like went viral.
Was like you're like three two one, run fast for
your done the fast you done it? It was it
was electric. Yeah, and it was the start of the
New York City Marathon. Uh huh, yeah, started the New
York It was like your watch. It was your Apple
Watch going like three two one and then like panning
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up in fifty thousand runners.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, it was sick over the Arizonto Bridge and yeah,
that's that. Training for the New York City Marathon was
what kicked off me experimenting on social media because I
started posting vlogs and I started, you know, putting myself
out there, putting myself on camera and realizing, oh, I
actually really like this, just like I liked it when
I was in high school. It was almost like I
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lost myself and I had to come back to myself.
You know. It's people talk about connecting with your inner child.
Video editing and vlogging was something I loved when I
was fourteen and fifteen and sixteen, and then I kind
of lost touch with it. Because I was figuring out,
you know, what's next, and then I came back to it.
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
How did you like what was the start for like
what we know you for today, which is the running
interview show.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, so you know, Jeremy and I had the idea
to start a series online and I really wanted to
do running interview show. It was something that I was
kind of set on. And I just remember you and
I back in our teeny tiny apartment in Greenwich Village brainstorming,
(33:09):
you know, what is it that we could do with
running interviews that you know would allow me to make money?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Because allow me to make money even if I.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Had gotten fired from Lippincott, I very quickly got another
at Omnicom at an advertising agency.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
But you did not.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
You did not feel super passionate. That one was like
healthcare is something.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't love it. It just the
it just there was no growth.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, And I think so this so this may have
been where it's like, all right, we need to find
a way. We're like, yeah, I can make the side
hustle money, like work with clients, but really need a
way for social media to become like something that I
can do full time because I loved.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It, like and I knew that I could provide like
a confident, strong voice for women.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And you did you want to say, I want to
do something that's like very positive and authentic to my self,
and you know, I think Kate. Another takeaway was also
like we have some some friends who were doing social media,
had just started doing social media full time, and would
make sure to like call them or you know, I'll
give a special shout out to Chris Chilawney or our
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friend who passed away. But we had a weekend with
Chris in North Carolina. Chris and I are both from
North Carolina where probably like four or five hours of
the weekend where Chris, you know, myself and yourself really
just being like, how can we how can we make
this something that like works, that works? And Chris had
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recently created like a quote unquote like viral content series
or viral show. So he explained like his process for
coming up you know, with the you know his ideas
and you know his iterations, and it was he was
the guy who did like, hey, can I give you
a dollar double a gift to the next person. He
started out doing in Washington Square Park. Within like two months,
(35:02):
he had probably quit his job, and I think he
had a brand deal that you know, gave him the
confidence to really dive into it full time. But I
would say Kate was vocal with like, all right, who
which of our friends, like has has done this? And
you know, let's get our heads together and let's like
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let's figure something out.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, that's exactly what.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
And Chris was the first one I think who ever
did a run with you?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Right, Yes, he was in my old format. And all
you and Chris and everybody would say is like, you
need to come up with a hook, Like you need
to come up with a format that you.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Can do over and over again with.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Each person's different obviously, but let's come up with a format.
And I literally remember the moment where we were getting
into a cab in New York City because I was
like forcing you to view an apartment with me, which
is a whole.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Other st that's its own podcast. We have a beautiful
apartment with our cat nowadays.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yes, I miss him so much. I remember the moment
we were getting into a cab and I say to Jeremy,
oh my god, I know what I'm gonna do. I'm
gonna buy everybody's speakers. Yeah, that runs with me as
a prize, like that'll be the prize. Kicked off the
show literally the next day with our roommate Yordy. He
ran eight miles with me. He does not run, and
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the video did well enough for me to say, all right,
let me do it another.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
You just knew it was like, this is gonna work.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I just knew, and I knew it was gonna work
because in the first month we got eighty million hits.
That's insane. It was awesome, and the show started doing
really well, and you know, like social media is, there's
there's highs, and there's lows, and there's highs and there's lows.
And we definitely rode this really high wave for a while,
got a really great base of you guys, you know,
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enjoying the guests.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
People thought, you know, made people feel good and inspired
people to run. Yeah, like all positive things.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And that's it. The show started, and I never want
to stop it. It's literally so fun for me. I
get to run with people for a living. I keep
in mind, like I don't even think we really touched
on this, but like after I tore my ACL in
high school, just like backtracking a second, I leaned into
running full force, like running was and always will be
like my happy place. It helped me like find my
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spark again, literally, and it's been the most consistent thing
in my life for the longest time. Like you can't
say I'm not consistent. I literally have run almost every
single day since I was fourteen.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
So you're running with people, you have your tripod, your
selfie stick, you're documenting their journey.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So for about I don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Eight months, would you say it was just you doing
that every day, editing the videos.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And then at what point were you like, oh.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
My god, it was such a grind. I was waking
up every day before my nine to five at like
six am. Some days go going for two runs in
the morning, some days, you know, just doing one and
then laying in bed, edit the video, posting the video
by tenant or on the couch or on the couch
wherever I was, and then I would go to work
and that was, you know, that was my job.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And then at what point did you have the confidence?
I remember you calling me and being like, I I
quit or here's what happened. They put you on a
performance plan, and oh here's what happened.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
So, as you can imagine, this very quickly took over
my entire focus.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
And my life went zero to one hundred real quick,
like twelve million, eighteen million views, twenty million views.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, and I started getting brand deals and people reaching out,
and you know, a lot of the stuff that happens
on social media happens during normal working hours. So I
was like, I can't possibly have a full time job
while I'm doing all of this, you know, And there's
so much opportunity in front of me, and like, this
is making me feel so good, and it was just
so aligned with me. I just like knew it in
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my core and that was it. Yeah, I ran with it, literally,
and within one month I quit my job. And it
was because I got so busy that my boss could tell.
And I had recently gotten switched on to a new team.
I was a senior account executive, so you have to
be like managing a team of people and you know,
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be really engaged, and I just like my heart just
was not there. And I literally remember at the end
of the first month of me starting my show, my
boss calls me into a meeting with like hr and
was like, we're going to put you on a performance plan.
We're going to walk you through it. And they literally
stopped him right there, and I go, everybody, everybody, I
want to save you thirty minutes. Please, like you do
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not need to walk you through a performance plan. Please,
Dear God, like I'm putting in my two weeks effective
immediately because what I said. We are back in New York.
Thank you so much for listening to my conversation with Jeremy.
We're now sitting down here with Jeremy and we're going
(40:00):
to talk about some key takeaways from our conversation and
just some things that you know, you guys could potentially
learn from it and implement into your own lives.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Well back in Brooklyn by way of Bali, Taiwan, Tokyo,
Los Angeles, and now we're back here with our son
John Pierre.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
We first started in Joshua Tree. We were with Jeremy's family,
and then we figured since we were already in California,
we might as well head from California to Asia because
it's an easier flight than flying from New York to Asia.
So we flew from Joshua Tree to Bali. We were
in Bali for a bit, and then we kind of
got the bug to keep exploring other parts of Asia,
(40:40):
so we went to Taiwan, and then we went to
Japan and we went to Tokyo and Kyoto is how you
say it, Yes, Kyoto. We flew back from Japan to
La the fire the wildfires hit basically a couple days
after we had gotten there, and we're kind of settling
in and anyways, now we're back in New York unexpectedly,
but we're here.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, and we were supposed to stay the entire month
of January in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So getting this into the themes.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Of what you've talked about, like just life hitting you
with unexpected things.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I mean, it hits so many people with unexpected things.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
All these people who I mean the Palisades Los Angeles
some of the most you know, successful people and not
just media but in the country. And they've worked so
hard to build these lives for themselves and you know,
have houses and the Palisades are beautiful. It's like right
next to malb and Malibu in same place to live.
But now their homes are gone and they've got they've
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got to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
It's wild how your life can just change in an instant,
you know, like you can put so much planning and
preparation into one thing and then before you know it,
those plans can be taken away from you or just change.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
However, I think with you, well, you know things have
happened to you. You've maintained consistent, especially when it comes
to movement, and no matter what, no matter what you've
gone through, whether it be injuries, whether it be job situations,
to make yourself feel good and to reut, you know,
push yourself back in the right direction. The first thing
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you've done is just get outside, get running.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
There's so much research that shows how good like movement
is for your mind and of course your body. And yeah,
going for a run was always something that got my head,
got my head on right. I definitely believe in the
power of movement, and that's definitely something that I've always
enjoyed doing. But like we talked about it earlier, I
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don't know if I really double clicked into it. But
for me, it was like when lacrosse got taken away
from me at such a young age, and then I
spent most of my time like my form of movement
from that went really into running. It was like running
gave me so much purpose, you know, and really helped
me like collect my thoughts and figure out who I
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wanted to become, you know, because who I thought I
wanted to become was no longer in the realm of possibility.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
And I think the second thing there would be, Like
you just touched on the importance of having purpose to
having goals that you can drive towards, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
It's so important to set goals for yourself, But I
think it's also important to like, like what I did,
you know when I was younger like that, And this
has happened so many times throughout my life, Like sometimes
you need to figure out what makes you feel good
and what's a positive habit to do that could eventually
lead to figuring out what your goals are, you know
what I mean? Like for me, it was like I
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reachore my asal for the second time I felt helpless.
I started running in my free time, started making me
feel good. All of a sudden, I started taking care
of myself more, my life started feeling more put together,
and all of a sudden I was able to figure
out new goals for myself and new aspirations. You know.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Ever since I've known Kate, since the first night I
met her, she has always been very specific with you know,
what she was driving towards at that time. The night
I met her, she talked about how she was trying
to graduate from school early and was taking night classes
in addition to working and internship at a marketing agency
during the day, when she had jobs that maybe weren't
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you know, either paying her what you needed in addition
to weren't providing you that purpose you built, like your
own side hustle, your own you know, marketing consultancy, when
when you got fired.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah. A common theme of my life, outside of movement
and outside of being consistent is like get comfortable being uncomfortable.
And that's something that like my parents always kind of
pushed onto it onto us. And I would say, like
for my brothers they lived, they in their youth had
like a much more comfortable life, like I was constantly
thrown into like discomfort, you know, But at the end
of the day, it's like I grew so much from
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being so uncomfortable, Like I would not be who I
am today if it wasn't for kind of like what
I experienced and like grew through you've all didn't have.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
This, no matter what your goal has changed, but you've
always had a goal.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I've always had a goal, yeah, whether it was graduating
early or you know, getting an internship in the city.
I do think I always had a goal. And I'm
somebody that's like such a hard worker. If you guys
were to watch my old blog videos when I was
like recovering from ACL surgeries, I was like, such a
hard oh. Like I've always been such a hard oh.
And I think it's like it's one of my flaws
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
She was like, she was like, Okay, on Tuesdays, every Tuesday,
Wednesday Thursday at the school gets out at three thirty.
From three thirty to four thirty, I'm in pt Then
from four thirty to five thirty, I'm icing. From five
thirty to six, I'm preparing for dinner.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, that was me. But it was cute.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
It was cute. It was cute. I was kind of like, oh,
my goodness.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
But it's cool seeing that stuff because like, I feel
like as we get older, we forget about these core things,
Like I feel like now I'm twenty seven and I
just now, like, you know, within the past two years
have started to connect with my inner child in a
way and the things that have always been a core
of me. I think you know that conversation alone was
(46:03):
really me with Jeremy reflecting on my life. If you're
somebody that's like struggling with purpose right now, find one
of your really good friends, unpack your life with them,
you know, walk them step through step through step, like
what you were like at each age starting at twelve,
like what we just did, and that might help you
like figure out kind of what your purpose is.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
And if you all have part of the run A gang,
you're probably probably already getting moving and you know the
importance of getting moving, but you can.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Always get moving more. And also you can always find
more purpose every.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Time I meet one of you guys, like whether it's
at one of the group events that I've hosted or
just out in public, Like I'm always so impressed by
you guys, Like you guys are such more impressed, like
way more impressive people than I am. You know, I'm
always like, oh my god, this is so cool that
we've fostered a community of such smart, active women.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
And men and men there are pretty it's like thirty
percent men at these events.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Absolutely, Yeah, there's always guys.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
There, strong, strong, strong.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Smart men social like I don't know, it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
So with that being said, how are we moving forward?
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Well, I guess a we're moving forward as closer friends
because you guys just learned like my deepest, darkest secrets
and everything about me, which was kind of scary, but
it's okay because I'm comfortable with you guys. And second
of all, I think, like, if there's anything that you
can learn from my story that I will continue to
ingrain in you guys, it's that the power of the
pivot is so fucking real. Something happens in your life
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and you have to redirect, Like see that as an opportunity,
Like having to redirect your life is not a failure,
It's an opportunity to succeed in a different way. It's like,
I mean, I'm religious, so I would say it's God
pushing you in a different direction for a reason. And
then the second thing is the obvious. But you know,
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Runner gang, let's be consistent with our movement. Get that
mind right this year?
Speaker 3 (47:56):
What specific what can we look for you? Like, what
what are you working on?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Well?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Having the conversation with you in Joshua Tree definitely, like
as we kind of said, got me rethinking about my
purpose and things that I want to focus on. And
I think in twenty twenty five, one of the big
things that I want to focus on is like a
not comparing myself to other people, you know, and I
really want to be like living my true individual like
authentic self, and like showing up as that person, because
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I think anytime we try to be something that we're not,
or you know, force a square into a circle, which
I think happens a lot with social media, when we're
constantly comparing ourselves to other people, I think that is
when we fail. So I think, like the biggest thing
for me is like living my truth, showing up as
Kate Mackie, Kate Max in every single.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Way, you know, changing maybe changing my name.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Soon my name will not change to you guys. But yeah,
there's a lot of things that I'm working on. Like
I'm one of those people like I think you learned
from our conversation we just had, Like I'm constantly working
on myself, Like I am the last person that's going
to say perfect, you know, while I try to be
so optimistic and I do always see the glass half full,
Like that is something.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
About critical on yourself.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I am critical on myself and like I'm constantly challenging
myself to be better, you know, and that it's just
living in this constant mode of be comfortably being uncomfortable.
Like I think if I was too comfortable in life,
I wouldn't be happy because I enjoy a challenge, you know,
and I enjoy like getting better and like learning more
and listening to other people, making more friends. Like so anyways,
(49:28):
that's one of the big things I'm working on, is
like really showing up as myself, especially to all of
you guys. The second is about the shows, Like I
just want to continue making great content, like continue to
become an even better storyteller. I think one of the
things that I learned about myself is that I love
like storytelling, and I love sitting down with people, and
(49:50):
I feel like I'm just at the forefront of doing
what I'm meant to be doing. And who knows, maybe
that's just me being crazy and too ambitious, but I
really do believe that my baby right now really is
getting the running interview show into the long form format
that we've been doing. If you guys are listening or
watching this right now. I'd love for you guys to
(50:12):
check out the Gabby Thomas video that's, you know, the
one of the first that we've rolled out in our
long form. But I'm so excited to be taking the
Running interview show long form this year, taking it to YouTube.
I am so excited because you guys don't realize, like
I have such long conversations with every single person that
I've run with, and because of the nature of short
form content, I have to cut so much of that
(50:34):
conversation out, and the conversations are gold like the conversations
you have on the run with people, Like people are
so vulnerable, they open up so much, they say things
that they probably wouldn't in just a traditional sit down podcast.
And it's not like I'm getting tea on anybody. That's like,
not what I'm trying to say. But it's like people
really open up and get comfortable with you, and I
feel like I get to see people's true authentic self
(50:56):
in a way that a traditional interview doesn't get to see.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Tying that in.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
So you talk short so short form long form and
it's like we talk about short form brain versus long
form brain. And the way you need to think, in
the way you need to produce content for a fifteen
or ten minute plus video or for a podcast is
totally different. Yeah, but what are your thoughts on that, well,
just short form in general, like TikTok, like you're obviously
it's it's been huge for you.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, I mean the past few weeks have been crazy
and I have no idea what's going to happen, guys, Like,
it was hard for me because TikTok is like what
brought me, guys, you and like helped me connect with
you guys, and TikTok helped me find my voice, Like
TikTok helped me define my purpose in a lot of ways.
So when I found out that and now knowing that
(51:41):
we could potentially lose, that was definitely like a really
emotional experience. Like we bootstrapped this business on TikTok, and
of course I'm so blessed that we've been able to
translate onto different platforms like Instagram and YouTube, and that
we've grown such a loyal audience and you know, group
of you guys and we've got this runner gang. But
but yeah, it was really sad when I found out
(52:02):
about the TikTok News. It was a bummer, but I
do have to say, like again, glass have full girl.
I'm like, when one problem happens, I'm literally already onto
the next, the solution, and like working hard at something else.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
We're all in on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
We're all in on YouTube. We are all in on YouTube,
and this is the year that we're gonna make YouTube
our primary platform. And in terms of short form brain
versus long form brain, I really love long form brain. Like.
I think it's just healthier for our minds to be
thinking in long form brain. Like for a while, it's
very hard for me to have like sit down conversations
like this, and I think that was because I was
(52:37):
filming so much content thinking short form first, you know.
But long form is just giving me the opportunity to
show those longer conversations that we already have on the run.
So anyways, I just want to show you guys more
and I hope you're just as excited as me about it,
because I think we're gonna have some really fun runs
in the future and post run conversations.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
And post run high And I did go.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
For a run today. It's snowed to New York and
it's freezing outside, so I ran three miles on the treadmill.
It was fine. I got through it. So take this
as you're signed to move your body today. And thank
you guys so much for listening. I know this was
a ramble, and I hope you guys enjoyed learning about me.
I promise we will do more deep dive episodes like
(53:22):
this in the future. I am an open book, so seriously,
if you guys have any questions about me or anything
that you want me to talk about, whether it's like
my business or dive even deeper into my college internship experience.
I know I've gotten a lot of dms about that
as well. Like there's so many things that we talked
about today that I know I could double click into
for you guys, so please let me know. My inbox
(53:42):
on Instagram is an open forum, and the comment section
on YouTube please comment let us know there. Make sure
you guys subscribe to my YouTube channel and follow me
on TikTok and Instagram at Kate Max. I love you
guys so much. Thanks for watching.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Later again,
What is up, Runner Gang. Welcome back to Post run High.
This is my first semi solo episode of twenty twenty five,
and I say semi solo episode because we filmed this
conversation in two parts. Currently, I'm sitting here in my
office in Brooklyn, New York. But three weeks ago, I
(00:23):
was in Joshua Tree, California with my fiance and he
had the idea of doing a reverse interview on me,
where we do a deep dive into my life and
kind of unpack all the things that make me me
and make me who I am today. On top of that,
at the end of this episode, Jeremy is going to
(00:45):
sit back down with me here in New York and
we are going to go over some takeaways from the
episode and any key learnings that I think can apply
to your guys's life. Without further ado, Please make sure
you guys subscribe to this channel. Your support means the
world to me, and also follow me across social media
Instagram and TikTok at Kate Max. Let's get into the
(01:09):
full story of me. So for context, Jeremy and I
are currently in Joshua Tree, California. We come here every
year over the holidays, and it's actually where we got
engaged last year, so it's a very special place to us.
(01:30):
And we did go for a four mile run. Got
to keep it authentic, guys. It's called post run high
for a reason.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Elevation here is no joke. Yeah, the airs, then maybe
I'm just am I out of shape. It was tough
keeping up with Kate today was a struggle.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I think Jeremy always asks me after a run. He's like,
how are you feeling? Was that hard for you? And
I feel like you forget that. I literally do this
every single day for a job, so it's.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Like quite aware of what you do for HELLOAI.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So my stamina is there. But I do have to
say today was kind of hard. I was definitely breathing heavy,
and it was so cold outside. I feel like whenever
I'm running in cold weather, I just feel it more
in my lungs.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
We're at Walmart yesterday and Kate asked to check out person.
She's like, we're in California, said it's supposed to be
warm here. He's like, I mean, we're in the desert.
In the summer it's really really hot and in the
winter it's really really cold.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, so if you're planning a trip to josh Wit Tree,
you just know that all year round it's beautiful. The
summer apparently is very very hot, and the winter is chilly.
It kind of feels like late fall. Here is the
weather I would describe like if you're a New Yorker,
which I feel like a lot of my listeners are
New Yorkers, or you're in a city that gets cold
in the late fall winter, that's that's kind of what
(02:43):
it feels like here in Joshua Tree.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, it is beautiful, and I'm so thankful to be here.
We're at a house that Frank Sinatra supposedly lived in.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Which, by the way, I've been very freaked out by.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yes, the ghost of Frank Sinatra is with us. I'm
personally a big fan of the ghost. I I welcome
the ghosts. If the ghost you know, wherever you are
in the house, you're listening right now, m All, I
love you, You're, You're, You're, You're. Goadd Kate is a little
bit more frightened by the ghost of Frank.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's a very big house. I think I realized really
quickly that I'm so used to apartment living that when
I get into a really big house that just has
all this space, I'm like a little spooked by it.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, let's get into some things.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
So Kate has a lot of valuable things to share
it I think would be pretty insightful for you to
you guys. One of them is definitely not how to drive,
because she can't really help anybody there. But what I
think would be awesome, uh is just like I would
love to hear kind of how you got to where
you are. I mean, you're doing a podcast alongside iHeartRadio.
(03:47):
Your running interview show has probably gotten like maybe even
like a billion views at this point, Like a we
should probably do some do some data on that one.
But you quit your job I guess probably about a
year and a half ago, right, and you're kind of
building a media media company and then producing shows and
(04:08):
you know, pushing the envelope doing some really cool things.
So Kate, like walk us back, like all right, you
were in New Jersey. Yeah, And I think I think
what will be helpful to kind of learn about like
what your initial motivator was and kind of tie that
into running and how running is so authentic to you.
But walk us back to like twelve years old, Like,
(04:30):
what were you doing well at that time? What was
like your life trajectory, and did you have some like
pivotal moment there that really changed things for.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You twelve year old Kate. Let's see, I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Kind of scared at twelve year old Kate personally, are
you maybe twelve year old Kate?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I'll I'll pull my ear muscle on.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I mean, I guess I can give you the backstory
on me as a person because I haven't really done that,
which is so weird. It's like, I feel like so
much of my life is online.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, you're interviewing other people.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, like that's what you do, Like you run interview,
you sit down post run high interview.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's crazy because I feel like so much of my
life is online in a sense, because I post videos
almost every single day of what I'm up to during
that week, you know, running with people, sitting down talking
to people now for post run High. But at the
same time, you guys really don't know that much about me,
and so I'm really excited for this episode because we're
(05:26):
digging into it. I guess, starting with when I was twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Years old to twelve years old, we're in sixth grade. Okay,
which middle school?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay? So growing up. So, I grew up, as I said,
in a small town in New Jersey called Glenarack, New Jersey.
The whole town was a mile by a mile. I'm
one of three kids. I have two older brother sorry,
I have two brothers. They're older than me. But one
of them happens to be my twin brother, Brendan, who's
like one of my best friends. Love Brendan to death.
He's very involved with all of the interviews that I do.
He's always helping me with research. So Brendan and I
(05:56):
and my older brother we're all super super close. And
and yeah, I grew up in a family of five
with you know, two other siblings, and then I had
my two parents, and we were very active kids. I
would say, like my mom for a majority of my
early life like stayed at home with us, and my
dad worked in the city. So like my day to
(06:17):
day growing up wash you know, my dad would be
up at probably I think that man wakes up at
like four am and would drive into New York City
and go to work. And then my mom would you know,
take us to school and k through eighth grade. I
went to a Catholic grammar school, which I think is
so strange to think about because most of my friends
(06:40):
went to public schools where you're in classes with like
or you have grades of, you know, three hundred plus people,
two hundred plus people. But kindergarten through eighth grade I
went to school with I think it was like forty kids.
Maybe it was forty four as the grades, you know,
as we went up in school and more kids kind
of transferred in, but k through eighth grade I was
(07:02):
with the same let's call it forty kids for that
many years, and it was amazing. It was like such
a blessing. I loved going to school there and that
was my life. And then outside of school, you know,
we did all the extracurricular kind of activities that kids do,
and my parents really loved sports for us. You know,
we were all very active kids, and we took a
liking at a young age two sports. And the main
(07:24):
sport that I really really liked was lacrosse. And I've
talked about this before, but I come from a family
of all lacrosse players except my parents.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
For context, her brothers were national champion lacrosse players in
college Division one yeah, so not just lacrosse players, but
very good lacrosse players.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh. Got to the point where, like I have, my
parents are so type A to the point where, like
at a certain point in my grade school, like let's
call it eleven twelve years old, my mom would put
together workouts for us to do in the backyard, practicing
our stick skills, like practicing ground balls and really just
playing with each other because she knew that if they
want to be great, they need to be practicing a ton,
(08:02):
you know, because that's what other kids were doing. That
like really liked lacrosse, which is like so funny to
think about, because when I think about lacrosse, like it's
such a Northeast sport, and like there's so many memes
you can make out of lacrosse. But that was like
my childhood.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I was you were from the Northeast, you were from
a lacrosse town, your brothers played lacrosse.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes, I played lacrosse.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You got good at it?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, And that was my like, that was my life.
Like by the time I was twelve, I mean I
did other sports, right, because I was at this Catholic
grammar school and I always did you know, the wreck
basketball and the wreck volleyball and done. In the spring,
I would do lacrosse in my town, and then in
the summer months, I was traveling around at lacrosse camps
and lacrosse tournaments, all in fucking lax bros. Okay, that's
(08:45):
what we were doing. She was a Lexis, yeah and yeah.
And then I ended up going to high school at
this school called Immaculate Heart Academy for one year. And
I chose the school actually because one of the lacrosse
camps that I went to every summer was at IJ
and I loved the coach there so much, and like
(09:06):
she took a liking to me. All I wanted to
do was play lacrosse at that high school, like my
entire life. I was like when I was at those camps,
I was like, I want to be like kid of
the week, you know, like I wanted all the older
girls to like me, because all the older girls that
were teaching the camp were girls that went to that
high school. So I remember being a freshman and I
(09:27):
was like, oh my god, I can't wait till the
spring when I can try out try out for the
lacrosse team. But obviously lacrosse is a spring sport, and
I had to figure out something to do in the
fall months and the winter months, and so in the
fall month I started doing cross country for the first time.
And it was funny because I never wanted to identify
as like a cross country runner, because like it was
(09:50):
just so different than what I was so used to,
which is like contact sports and being on a sports
team and like assisting girls and just having I mean,
playing team sports is just so fun. Field sports it
really you can relate as a basketball player, right, like
field sports are other sports too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, my well, not to talk about me, but my
siblings are. One of them was a college triathlete, the
other one was a college swimmer, and those were actually
as kids, swimming was like the sports our parents put
us into, and I did that versus playing soccer and
masketb when I was like, oh my god, soccer and
masketball are so much more fun. And it's because team sports,
(10:26):
but they're fun.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah. So I went to high school and when I
was a freshman, I tried out for the or I
didn't try out because anybody could walk on to it.
I did the cross country team, and I very quickly
realized I was a good runner, which I knew because
when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Running up and down that lacrosse field.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yes, when I was younger, every single sport that I did,
like I was that girl that they would call like wheels,
like I was very speedy. You know, that was my thing,
and guys, I lost that. But we'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Her highlight tape is literally like her picking up the
ball behind the goal type.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
In Kate Mackie Lacrosse highlight on YouTube and you can
go down a little.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Worm after this episode.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
This episode right now we are locked in, but like
her videos are literally her picking up the ball like
behind her own goal, sprinting all the way to the
other side, dodging four girls and then nailing at top
right corner, and then next thing, same exact play, just
running one side of the field all the way over
the other.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It was fun back then, and so I think that's
important context to note because like even before cross country,
I loved to run, and like I would growing up,
like go for runs with my mom. I remember her
distinctly in her little tennis skirts and we would do
five k's around the town and you know, I just
I really loved loved to run. Always, whether it was
(11:36):
in a sport on my own or you know, on
a fields, it just was something that I naturally gravitated
towards and was always kind of known for. And so
when I went to high school and I tried out
for the cross country team and I started racing, I
very quickly realized like, oh, this is something that not
only am I taking a liking to, but I'm actually
like decent at it. And I was actually at this
(11:57):
school I was on basically the way cross country works,
I don't know if it works the same, but it's
the top seven girls are varsity. And I remember I
was like only doing cross country to have my conditioning
good for when I tried out for the lacrosse team,
but very quickly I made the top seven as a freshman,
and I remember being like, wow, this is kind of interesting,
(12:21):
like you know, I definitely am taking a liking to this.
And then winter track came around, and same kind of thing,
Like I was decent enough where I was, you know,
one of the top runners on the team. Then I
go on to my lacrosse season, which is that spring,
and I try out and I made varsity and I
was ecstatic. I was like the only girl out of
(12:43):
all the freshmen that made the varsity team, and I
was actually ended up being a starter. And that was
like my fucking dream. Imagine that, like all throughout my
middle school years, I'm going to this camp and then
all of a sudden, I make the varsity team and
I'm a starter and they were really really good team
in the state. And it was in that freshman season,
(13:04):
towards the end of it that I had a like
career changing injury. I jumped up to intercept a pass
and before I knew it, I landed and I tore
my ACL, MCL and meniscus. So I went from being
varsity cross country, let's call it varsity winter track, varsity lacrosse.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And getting recruited to play like high division one in college.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
At the time, I was getting looks from college coaches
for lacrosse, and like literally like night and day, like my,
how do I snap my within an instant, like that
was kind of over Honestly, me at twelve was very
different than me at fourteen, because be at twelve was
(13:47):
like I literally remember, I have this letter that I
wrote to myself in the sixth grade that was kind
of like a letter that our teacher had us write
to ourselves and she mailed it to us when we
were I think seniors in high school, and I have
it in what I called my special box. And in
that letter, I wrote to myself, you know, like you're
gonna go on to be like a d one lacrosse player,
and like I remember, I had this goal of being
(14:09):
on like lacrosse magazine, like standing next to my brothers,
like I thought that was the coolest thing ever, literally
tearing up talking about this because you know, that was
my dream. And then so that's twelve year old Kate,
as you asked, you know, focused on that. And then
fourteen year old Kate is like, well, that's kind of
over because I just like knew you know, when people
come back from ACL surgeries. But as the story will
(14:32):
go on, I did my recovery, did my rehab, very
dedicated to wanting to come back and go be performing
at the same level that I was, And during that
year doing rehab, I was so emotional over it that
I was like, I can't be the only person going
through this right now. And through the rehab that I
was doing in the physical therapy kind of after the surgery,
(14:54):
I quickly realized there's so many kids my age and
so many girls my age that tear their acls. So
I started a blog which doesn't exist anymore, but I
do have some of the old videos that I can share.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
She deleted it when I found it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, it was so embarrassing for me, which I'm like, gosh,
that's cold.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I wish you we got to find it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, but I made this website.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Or belog someone listening, Well, we'll find.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It video please. I don't know how search the dark web.
I don't know. But the website was.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Called so perfectly translates to why you're doing now?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yes it does. So I started documenting my recovery blogging it,
and it was so cool because I literally started this
online community during that year. When I'm fourteen fifteen now
going into my sophomore year of high school, I started
an online community where people would come up to me
and be like, your blog documenting your ACL surgery made
me feel so much better about going into this surgery.
(15:50):
And it was just a really cool thing that I
did when I was that age. And then anyways, I
went back to lacrosse and I ended up retearing my ACL, which.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I can only imagine after a year of training and
blogging it and fun fact, during that year, uh, you
happen to be on the same like ACL recovery timeline
as legend Mariana Rivera.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I did, and we got surgery at the same hospital,
the Hospital for Special Surgery. Shout out to doctor Kurdasco
and doctor Green, They're literally the best of the best.
And yes, I did uh do PTE a couple times
with Marianna Rivera.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
But like, I think that's also fitting for you know,
CAP didn't really make it a big deal. You know,
she was doing pet with Mariano Rivera. When I heard that,
I was like, oh my god, that is epic. I
can only imagine. I mean, I was I like the Yankees,
especially like Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Alex Rodriguez, like that era,
and you were with marian I'm pretty much at the
end of of you know, his era, but he was
(16:47):
still you know, bawling out like he was still extraordinarily relevant.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But you didn't really make too much of it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know, it was cool, like it was chill, And
I think maybe that translates to kind of what you
do for a living now, which is you know, interacting
with a lot of people who you know might some
might get starstruck vibe.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You really don't.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
This whole thing that we do, like the running interview
show started, So.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's when it started.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Really, I mean, if you were going to find it
through so it was you documenting your journey, it was
it was.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Me documenting my journey, learning how to video edit, really
enjoying video editing, Like there's nothing I love more than
getting into an edit. Storytelling is at the heart of
everything I do. And while I love, you know, sharing
my story with other people in the hopes that it
can inspire help another young girl that maybe is currently
going through what I went through fifteen years ago, I
(17:37):
love sharing other people's stories because it's like not all
about me. And one of the big parts about my
blog when I was younger was I had a forum
where people could share their own stories, and people started
engaging with one another and it became its community of
its own that honestly, like, yeah, I posted videos to it,
but it completely operated in its own way, and people
made friends from it, and it was a pretty wild thing.
(18:00):
It was by no means like massive, but we had
like a couple thousand people on there.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Pretty niche, pretty niche.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I mean, that's the fact that there are a couple thousand,
like young girls who have torn their ACL at the
same time is remarkable in itself. And fast forward though,
So you did the recovery with marian A fun fact, and.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Then did the recovery retorm my ACL.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And what did that feel like to like walk me through,
like what happened there? And like what what went through
your mind?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I remember it so crystal clear, literally my ACL surgery
and like going through that transformed me into a different person.
Like I swear to god, I jumped timelines because when
the year mark came around and I was back to
playing lacrosse, I was I had done my high school season,
and to keep in mind, I actually transferred from IHA
(18:54):
back to my public school. It was something my parents
really wanted me to do. They wanted me to be
closer to home. And it was in that summer season
that I was back at like my first practice on
my summer teams, which I played for Steps Lacrosse. If
anybody knows of it, any of you listening are Steps
prior Steps players or current Steps players.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
That was sure that very niche.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
They actually re shared one of my videos one time,
and I was like, but anyways, yeah, and I was back,
and I remember I was playing defense, which is something
that I loved, Like, I loved playing defense. I think
that was like the one thing about me, like as
a midfielder, like I loved scoring goals and like playing
attack and assisting people, but I love defense because I
thought it was so fun. And that's where like you
get kind of technical, because it's either like you have
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it or you don't when it comes to defense. Anyways, sidebar,
But yeah, it was just laterally.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Stepping and being a lacrosse coach might be in Kate's future.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Oh my god, I'd be such a good lacrosse coach,
but I can't. My Yeah, I have coached whatever. I
have toddled a lot of camps even past moving on, though,
I remember the moment that I retored. I was playing
defense on a girl and I laterally stepped and instantly
the graf to retour and I fell to the ground.
And first tearing my ACL was never painful. There was
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not one part of either tear that I remember or
was painful. But I do remember in that moment tearing
my ACL. My mom was actually at the practice in
her car and she like runs over and I obviously
like burst into tears. I'm like, oh my god, I know,
I just retore my ACL, which is kind of funny
because even the year prior, my fourteen year old self
had no fucking idea what an ACL was. And I
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was like, I think I just tore my ACL. So
you just kind of know when it happens. And I
remember saying my mom and that car ride, like we're
gonna go get the MRI. But if it comes back
that like the graft is completely torn again, like I
am not gonna go through with surgery again, and I
am done playing lacrosse. Isn't that sad? Oh my god,
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you scrow me. It's okay, gonna make me cry. Oh
my god, you're making me cry.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So you tore it that second time.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
At that point, it was evident one door had closed, Yes,
did another open?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yes? Yes? Yes? Oh my god, yeah, I have something
that can really make you cry. But I won't do
it too.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Do it. Come on, I want to hear it, come on, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So after I tore my AL, my mom was like
I need to distract her and as you know, I
love stores with random shit.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So literally driving back from this steps lacrosse practice and
with a tor yes. And my mom is like a
tiger mom, so like while she was doing good stuff
for me, she was also like telling me how it is.
She was like, if you retore your a cl which
fucking pray you read you didn't, We're gonna have to
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figure out what you're gonna do, you know, because your
grades aren't great and lacrosse was all your folks to
do when you talk about a differentiator college application wise,
I was already end of my sophomore year now in
high school going into my junior year, like I was
somebody that was on track to play deep on the cross.
That's what my older brothers were doing. That's like what
I thought I was gonna do. So I literally had
my mom saying, who's like so type I so tig
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your mom. Right after a doorsl She's like, I don't
know what you're gonna do, Like this is a disaster.
So I'm like already feeling down bad and all of
a sudden, I'm like, oh my god, it's over whatever.
So that was like a bad thing, and then moving forward.
I remember she's whatever. She ends up taking me to
a store on the way back that just like has
a bunch of like random stuff like anything from like
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your random Christmas ornaments to like the cute I don't know,
like just cute knickknacks and shit, like I love that stuff.
I can get lost in one of those stores. And
I see this like plaque. It was like one of
those quote plaques that you put kind of above your
door or wherever you want, and it said life isn't
about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning
to dance in the rain. And she was like, you
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buy one thing, And so I bought that.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Where'd you put it?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So I put it in my room and I looked
at it literally every day, and I was like, well,
I loved video editing, like I loved my blog. And
there was always a side of me growing up that like,
while my parents pushed athletics, like, I was also like
very artistic and I did a lot of oil painting
classes growing up and I loved it, like I loved
painting still lives, and I really liked like Haynd drawing,
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and so I was like, I know what I'm gonna do,
like I'm gonna lean into art, like I'll start applying
to schools because I always thought kind of like after
college I would go into a job in advertising or
something creative. But it was in this moment where I
was no longer playing the sport and going to college
for it, that I was like, I can really figure
out what I want to do in college, you know,
like I can really sit down and like get it
good at an actual skill. And that's exactly what I did.
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I worked with this guy, Frank Riley for my junior
year and my senior year, and Frank Riley's this incredible artist,
and we together he helped me, you know, put together
my art portfolio and he really like taught me how
to watercolor, paint and use charcoal and it was really cool.
And we put this vast portfolio together that had like
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all these different mediums, and I shotgunned every single school
that had like a top art program, like I applied
to Parsons Pratt f T, Syracuse's Art School, Boston University,
Boston University's Art School, Risdy, and I got ended up
getting into every single school that I applied to granted.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And then you went to none of them, and.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Then I went to none of them, which is kind
of weird.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
There was some there was some parental influence there, yes, yes, yes,
or maybe safe to say, yeah, your parents didn't want
you as Parsons as much as they wanted you getting
a marketing or you know, finance degree, something more in
line with what they were familiar with.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, my parents ended up really pushing like you should
go to a school for business and marketing and go
into advertising, you know, and you know, in hindsight, in
hindsight twenty twenty, like the schools that I was choosing
between were parsons for the visual arts program and ended
up being foredam and I really wanted a school in
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New York City. I grew up forty five minutes away
from the city. I loved going into the city. I
like after Terry macill and going through all of that.
One of the things that I also did when I
was a junior and senior is I took a lot
of weekend classes at f IT, which I loved so much,
and I would literally after the classes just walk around
the city all day. I remember my dad would give
me like twenty bucks and I would just like you know.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Going in some dollar slice.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah exactly. I would just walk around. There was actually
a place called MEXICU that I loved, going to.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Shout in Mexico. Yeah, but you went to Fordham. He
studied marketing.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Went to Fordham studied marketing. Like, didn't have the best
college experience.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
You met me, but yeah, not at Fordham, but while
you were in college while I was in college.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Oh my gosh, Like, whenever I see content creators and
I've intern you a lot of content creators that have
these incredible college experiences. Even you you had an awesome
college experience, Like I really didn't have that. And I
think it was because, like I was so fucking confused
as a person. Like after like my whole life, my
whole early life was kind of like changed. So suddenly
in my teens, I feel like my late teens in
high school and the beginning of college, like I was
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figuring myself out, you know, like I was figuring out, like, okay,
outside of a sport, who were my friends? You know?
Like who do I hang out with? Because growing up,
like I was always just friends with the girls on
my sports teams. But by my sophomore year, I transferred
to the city campus. I went to Fordham Lincoln Center,
and I loved it, and I realized that the thing
that I just had to do for myself was start
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getting internships. And that's exactly what I did. So I,
you know, worked multiple jobs when I was in college.
I started out as a waitress when I was a freshman,
and then by my sophomore year, I started working at
a creative agency. Shout out Shanda. She was my mentor
and I like owe everything to her in college, and
then she helped me get my next job, which was
at like another creative agency, and I kind of agency bounced.
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And then when I graduated, I started working in advertising.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So you were working in advertising, and I do think
at a certain point you were kind of like you
looked above and said, who are the people who I'm
working for? Who are the people they are working for?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You know? This is this is this is what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah. So I graduated. I graduated a year or early.
I ended up like paying for my last year of college,
so I was like, let me expedite this shit.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
When I met Kate, I think I met going into
our senior year, and you were like taking night classes,
you were working during the day, you were taking like
a full eighteen hour credit load at night, and you
were like, I'm finishing early. Like that was like the
first thing you said. I'm like, geez, girl, you're doing
a lot like everything, Okay, You're like, I got to
finish early.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I was like, let me just nail this job that
I'm doing at these internships, build out my resume, and
graduate early. And it all ended up working out. I
graduated early, and yeah, I started working and advertising. One
job ended up leading to the next, which was this
company called Lippincott that I was so excited to work out,
and for about six months of it, I was thriving.
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There was an older girl that had gone to Fordam
that helps me get the interview, and I just thought
the work they were doing was fascinating. I thought it
was so cool, so many lovely people at the company.
And then this new bitch came into town and she
became my boss, and I don't know what it was
about me, but she did not like me, and I
knew it immediately. It's kind of like dating where you
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just know immediately whether you like him or don.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I feel like I was site.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It was not love at first site, and she was
the worst. I remember she picked on me everything I
did was wrong, and I was like, I just know
everything I'm doing isn't wrong, Like I have so much experience,
Like I'm very creative and like, at least I'm being
proactive and at suggesting ideas and adding value in the
way that I could. Like I knew I wasn't doing
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a bad job, you know, like I'm such a hard worker.
But she just had it out for me.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Well, she probably didn't like that you were suggesting things
and giving ideas. You know, some people some people like that,
they like the initiative. Some people don't. They they go, hey,
who are you to? Who are you to, like tell
me what I did wasn't right, And I don't think
you have like the patience or you're direct, You're very directly.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't know. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I mean at the time, it's not that I was
being super direct, right, like they were my bosses, and
everything I did was like super polite and super nice.
And I actually remember her saying to me in one
of my reviews, like you should work in social media.
And maybe she was right, like maybe she saw something there. Anyway,
she ended up firing me actually during COVID, which was
(29:44):
like the worst time to get fired. That's when you
and I started like hanging out a lot, and I
was scrambling for new work. And what was actually really
lucky is at the time that I got fired, it
was almost okay because I had a lot of other
freelance gigs that I was doing.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Well, we had one big one, Well, I have a couple.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I had a couple. I was helping one of Jeremy's
aunts run her social media business for her Essential Oil company.
After doing the Essential Oil Company for a while, I
was like, this is so fun. Let me see if
I can get a few new clients. So I was like,
I should just go into some businesses around Brooklyn and
New York and like see if they need any help
with their social media. So I went into this one
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company called or one coffee shop called PQ Coffee Roasters,
I think that's what it was called. And it was
so cool, like the whole place was decked out. It
was so aesthetic. It was very colorful. If you live
in Williamsburg, I don't even know if it's still there.
I think it is, because I think they expanded. They
were expanding at the time, but I walked in and
I was like, you know, I just said, hey, you know,
(30:46):
I would love to help you guys with your social media,
and very quickly they became one of my clients as well,
and that was really cool. I was being so scrappy.
I went in with like my dad's old camera and
I was taking pictures and editing the photos and taking videos,
and yeah, I was kind of awesome. But it was
just also showed that, you know, while a lot of
this stuff at the time was also online sending resumes around,
(31:08):
I also just walked right into the storefront and I said, hey,
I need a job, and I think I can help you.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And at the time, you had started posting social media
around around this time from your own account.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, and it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Wasn't it's not what you're doing today. Yeah, it was
very much you like building your base.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yes, yeah, so I started, I, like so many of
you guys, like, I love social media. I think it's
so fun. I was sharing, you know, what I eat
in the day and day in the life. And I
was also training for the New York City Marathon. For
the twenty twenty one New York City Marathon, and I
was like, let me document this, so I started documenting my.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I remember your like your the Squid Games. I think
that was your first video that ever like went viral.
Was like you're like three two one, run fast for
your done the fast you done it? It was it
was electric. Yeah, and it was the start of the
New York City Marathon. Uh huh, yeah, started the New
York It was like your watch. It was your Apple
Watch going like three two one and then like panning
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up in fifty thousand runners.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, it was sick over the Arizonto Bridge and yeah,
that's that. Training for the New York City Marathon was
what kicked off me experimenting on social media because I
started posting vlogs and I started, you know, putting myself
out there, putting myself on camera and realizing, oh, I
actually really like this, just like I liked it when
I was in high school. It was almost like I
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lost myself and I had to come back to myself.
You know. It's people talk about connecting with your inner child.
Video editing and vlogging was something I loved when I
was fourteen and fifteen and sixteen, and then I kind
of lost touch with it. Because I was figuring out,
you know, what's next, and then I came back to it.
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
How did you like what was the start for like
what we know you for today, which is the running
interview show.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, so you know, Jeremy and I had the idea
to start a series online and I really wanted to
do running interview show. It was something that I was
kind of set on. And I just remember you and
I back in our teeny tiny apartment in Greenwich Village brainstorming,
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you know, what is it that we could do with
running interviews that you know would allow me to make money?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Because allow me to make money even if I.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Had gotten fired from Lippincott, I very quickly got another
at Omnicom at an advertising agency.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
But you did not.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
You did not feel super passionate. That one was like
healthcare is something.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't love it. It just the
it just there was no growth.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, And I think so this so this may have
been where it's like, all right, we need to find
a way. We're like, yeah, I can make the side
hustle money, like work with clients, but really need a
way for social media to become like something that I
can do full time because I loved.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It, like and I knew that I could provide like
a confident, strong voice for women.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And you did you want to say, I want to
do something that's like very positive and authentic to my self,
and you know, I think Kate. Another takeaway was also
like we have some some friends who were doing social media,
had just started doing social media full time, and would
make sure to like call them or you know, I'll
give a special shout out to Chris Chilawney or our
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friend who passed away. But we had a weekend with
Chris in North Carolina. Chris and I are both from
North Carolina where probably like four or five hours of
the weekend where Chris, you know, myself and yourself really
just being like, how can we how can we make
this something that like works, that works? And Chris had
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recently created like a quote unquote like viral content series
or viral show. So he explained like his process for
coming up you know, with the you know his ideas
and you know his iterations, and it was he was
the guy who did like, hey, can I give you
a dollar double a gift to the next person. He
started out doing in Washington Square Park. Within like two months,
(35:02):
he had probably quit his job, and I think he
had a brand deal that you know, gave him the
confidence to really dive into it full time. But I
would say Kate was vocal with like, all right, who
which of our friends, like has has done this? And
you know, let's get our heads together and let's like
(35:23):
let's figure something out.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, that's exactly what.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
And Chris was the first one I think who ever
did a run with you?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Right, Yes, he was in my old format. And all
you and Chris and everybody would say is like, you
need to come up with a hook, Like you need
to come up with a format that you.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Can do over and over again with.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Each person's different obviously, but let's come up with a format.
And I literally remember the moment where we were getting
into a cab in New York City because I was
like forcing you to view an apartment with me, which
is a whole.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Other st that's its own podcast. We have a beautiful
apartment with our cat nowadays.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yes, I miss him so much. I remember the moment
we were getting into a cab and I say to Jeremy,
oh my god, I know what I'm gonna do. I'm
gonna buy everybody's speakers. Yeah, that runs with me as
a prize, like that'll be the prize. Kicked off the
show literally the next day with our roommate Yordy. He
ran eight miles with me. He does not run, and
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the video did well enough for me to say, all right,
let me do it another.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
You just knew it was like, this is gonna work.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I just knew, and I knew it was gonna work
because in the first month we got eighty million hits.
That's insane. It was awesome, and the show started doing
really well, and you know, like social media is, there's
there's highs, and there's lows, and there's highs and there's lows.
And we definitely rode this really high wave for a while,
got a really great base of you guys, you know,
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enjoying the guests.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
People thought, you know, made people feel good and inspired
people to run. Yeah, like all positive things.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And that's it. The show started, and I never want
to stop it. It's literally so fun for me. I
get to run with people for a living. I keep
in mind, like I don't even think we really touched
on this, but like after I tore my ACL in
high school, just like backtracking a second, I leaned into
running full force, like running was and always will be
like my happy place. It helped me like find my
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spark again, literally, and it's been the most consistent thing
in my life for the longest time. Like you can't
say I'm not consistent. I literally have run almost every
single day since I was fourteen.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
So you're running with people, you have your tripod, your
selfie stick, you're documenting their journey.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So for about I don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Eight months, would you say it was just you doing
that every day, editing the videos.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And then at what point were you like, oh.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
My god, it was such a grind. I was waking
up every day before my nine to five at like
six am. Some days go going for two runs in
the morning, some days, you know, just doing one and
then laying in bed, edit the video, posting the video
by tenant or on the couch or on the couch
wherever I was, and then I would go to work
and that was, you know, that was my job.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And then at what point did you have the confidence?
I remember you calling me and being like, I I
quit or here's what happened. They put you on a
performance plan, and oh here's what happened.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
So, as you can imagine, this very quickly took over
my entire focus.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
And my life went zero to one hundred real quick,
like twelve million, eighteen million views, twenty million views.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, and I started getting brand deals and people reaching out,
and you know, a lot of the stuff that happens
on social media happens during normal working hours. So I
was like, I can't possibly have a full time job
while I'm doing all of this, you know, And there's
so much opportunity in front of me, and like, this
is making me feel so good, and it was just
so aligned with me. I just like knew it in
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my core and that was it. Yeah, I ran with it, literally,
and within one month I quit my job. And it
was because I got so busy that my boss could tell.
And I had recently gotten switched on to a new team.
I was a senior account executive, so you have to
be like managing a team of people and you know,
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be really engaged, and I just like my heart just
was not there. And I literally remember at the end
of the first month of me starting my show, my
boss calls me into a meeting with like hr and
was like, we're going to put you on a performance plan.
We're going to walk you through it. And they literally
stopped him right there, and I go, everybody, everybody, I
want to save you thirty minutes. Please, like you do
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not need to walk you through a performance plan. Please,
Dear God, like I'm putting in my two weeks effective
immediately because what I said. We are back in New York.
Thank you so much for listening to my conversation with Jeremy.
We're now sitting down here with Jeremy and we're going
(40:00):
to talk about some key takeaways from our conversation and
just some things that you know, you guys could potentially
learn from it and implement into your own lives.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Well back in Brooklyn by way of Bali, Taiwan, Tokyo,
Los Angeles, and now we're back here with our son
John Pierre.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
We first started in Joshua Tree. We were with Jeremy's family,
and then we figured since we were already in California,
we might as well head from California to Asia because
it's an easier flight than flying from New York to Asia.
So we flew from Joshua Tree to Bali. We were
in Bali for a bit, and then we kind of
got the bug to keep exploring other parts of Asia,
(40:40):
so we went to Taiwan, and then we went to
Japan and we went to Tokyo and Kyoto is how you
say it, Yes, Kyoto. We flew back from Japan to
La the fire the wildfires hit basically a couple days
after we had gotten there, and we're kind of settling
in and anyways, now we're back in New York unexpectedly,
but we're here.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, and we were supposed to stay the entire month
of January in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So getting this into the themes.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Of what you've talked about, like just life hitting you
with unexpected things.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I mean, it hits so many people with unexpected things.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
All these people who I mean the Palisades Los Angeles
some of the most you know, successful people and not
just media but in the country. And they've worked so
hard to build these lives for themselves and you know,
have houses and the Palisades are beautiful. It's like right
next to malb and Malibu in same place to live.
But now their homes are gone and they've got they've
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got to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
It's wild how your life can just change in an instant,
you know, like you can put so much planning and
preparation into one thing and then before you know it,
those plans can be taken away from you or just change.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
However, I think with you, well, you know things have
happened to you. You've maintained consistent, especially when it comes
to movement, and no matter what, no matter what you've
gone through, whether it be injuries, whether it be job situations,
to make yourself feel good and to reut, you know,
push yourself back in the right direction. The first thing
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you've done is just get outside, get running.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
There's so much research that shows how good like movement
is for your mind and of course your body. And yeah,
going for a run was always something that got my head,
got my head on right. I definitely believe in the
power of movement, and that's definitely something that I've always
enjoyed doing. But like we talked about it earlier, I
(42:37):
don't know if I really double clicked into it. But
for me, it was like when lacrosse got taken away
from me at such a young age, and then I
spent most of my time like my form of movement
from that went really into running. It was like running
gave me so much purpose, you know, and really helped
me like collect my thoughts and figure out who I
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wanted to become, you know, because who I thought I
wanted to become was no longer in the realm of possibility.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
And I think the second thing there would be, Like
you just touched on the importance of having purpose to
having goals that you can drive towards, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
It's so important to set goals for yourself, But I
think it's also important to like, like what I did,
you know when I was younger like that, And this
has happened so many times throughout my life, Like sometimes
you need to figure out what makes you feel good
and what's a positive habit to do that could eventually
lead to figuring out what your goals are, you know
what I mean? Like for me, it was like I
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reachore my asal for the second time I felt helpless.
I started running in my free time, started making me
feel good. All of a sudden, I started taking care
of myself more, my life started feeling more put together,
and all of a sudden I was able to figure
out new goals for myself and new aspirations. You know.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Ever since I've known Kate, since the first night I
met her, she has always been very specific with you know,
what she was driving towards at that time. The night
I met her, she talked about how she was trying
to graduate from school early and was taking night classes
in addition to working and internship at a marketing agency
during the day, when she had jobs that maybe weren't
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you know, either paying her what you needed in addition
to weren't providing you that purpose you built, like your
own side hustle, your own you know, marketing consultancy, when
when you got fired.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah. A common theme of my life, outside of movement
and outside of being consistent is like get comfortable being uncomfortable.
And that's something that like my parents always kind of
pushed onto it onto us. And I would say, like
for my brothers they lived, they in their youth had
like a much more comfortable life, like I was constantly
thrown into like discomfort, you know, But at the end
of the day, it's like I grew so much from
(44:49):
being so uncomfortable, Like I would not be who I
am today if it wasn't for kind of like what
I experienced and like grew through you've all didn't have.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
This, no matter what your goal has changed, but you've
always had a goal.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I've always had a goal, yeah, whether it was graduating
early or you know, getting an internship in the city.
I do think I always had a goal. And I'm
somebody that's like such a hard worker. If you guys
were to watch my old blog videos when I was
like recovering from ACL surgeries, I was like, such a
hard oh. Like I've always been such a hard oh.
And I think it's like it's one of my flaws
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
She was like, she was like, Okay, on Tuesdays, every Tuesday,
Wednesday Thursday at the school gets out at three thirty.
From three thirty to four thirty, I'm in pt Then
from four thirty to five thirty, I'm icing. From five
thirty to six, I'm preparing for dinner.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, that was me. But it was cute.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
It was cute. It was cute. I was kind of like, oh,
my goodness.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
But it's cool seeing that stuff because like, I feel
like as we get older, we forget about these core things,
Like I feel like now I'm twenty seven and I
just now, like, you know, within the past two years
have started to connect with my inner child in a
way and the things that have always been a core
of me. I think you know that conversation alone was
(46:03):
really me with Jeremy reflecting on my life. If you're
somebody that's like struggling with purpose right now, find one
of your really good friends, unpack your life with them,
you know, walk them step through step through step, like
what you were like at each age starting at twelve,
like what we just did, and that might help you
like figure out kind of what your purpose is.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
And if you all have part of the run A gang,
you're probably probably already getting moving and you know the
importance of getting moving, but you can.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Always get moving more. And also you can always find
more purpose every.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Time I meet one of you guys, like whether it's
at one of the group events that I've hosted or
just out in public, Like I'm always so impressed by
you guys, Like you guys are such more impressed, like
way more impressive people than I am. You know, I'm
always like, oh my god, this is so cool that
we've fostered a community of such smart, active women.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
And men and men there are pretty it's like thirty
percent men at these events.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Absolutely, Yeah, there's always guys.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
There, strong, strong, strong.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Smart men social like I don't know, it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
So with that being said, how are we moving forward?
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Well, I guess a we're moving forward as closer friends
because you guys just learned like my deepest, darkest secrets
and everything about me, which was kind of scary, but
it's okay because I'm comfortable with you guys. And second
of all, I think, like, if there's anything that you
can learn from my story that I will continue to
ingrain in you guys, it's that the power of the
pivot is so fucking real. Something happens in your life
(47:31):
and you have to redirect, Like see that as an opportunity,
Like having to redirect your life is not a failure,
It's an opportunity to succeed in a different way. It's like,
I mean, I'm religious, so I would say it's God
pushing you in a different direction for a reason. And
then the second thing is the obvious. But you know,
(47:52):
Runner gang, let's be consistent with our movement. Get that
mind right this year?
Speaker 3 (47:56):
What specific what can we look for you? Like, what
what are you working on?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Well?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Having the conversation with you in Joshua Tree definitely, like
as we kind of said, got me rethinking about my
purpose and things that I want to focus on. And
I think in twenty twenty five, one of the big
things that I want to focus on is like a
not comparing myself to other people, you know, and I
really want to be like living my true individual like
authentic self, and like showing up as that person, because
(48:22):
I think anytime we try to be something that we're not,
or you know, force a square into a circle, which
I think happens a lot with social media, when we're
constantly comparing ourselves to other people, I think that is
when we fail. So I think, like the biggest thing
for me is like living my truth, showing up as
Kate Mackie, Kate Max in every single.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Way, you know, changing maybe changing my name.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Soon my name will not change to you guys. But yeah,
there's a lot of things that I'm working on. Like
I'm one of those people like I think you learned
from our conversation we just had, Like I'm constantly working
on myself, Like I am the last person that's going
to say perfect, you know, while I try to be
so optimistic and I do always see the glass half full,
Like that is something.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
About critical on yourself.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I am critical on myself and like I'm constantly challenging
myself to be better, you know, and that it's just
living in this constant mode of be comfortably being uncomfortable.
Like I think if I was too comfortable in life,
I wouldn't be happy because I enjoy a challenge, you know,
and I enjoy like getting better and like learning more
and listening to other people, making more friends. Like so anyways,
(49:28):
that's one of the big things I'm working on, is
like really showing up as myself, especially to all of
you guys. The second is about the shows, Like I
just want to continue making great content, like continue to
become an even better storyteller. I think one of the
things that I learned about myself is that I love
like storytelling, and I love sitting down with people, and
(49:50):
I feel like I'm just at the forefront of doing
what I'm meant to be doing. And who knows, maybe
that's just me being crazy and too ambitious, but I
really do believe that my baby right now really is
getting the running interview show into the long form format
that we've been doing. If you guys are listening or
watching this right now. I'd love for you guys to
(50:12):
check out the Gabby Thomas video that's, you know, the
one of the first that we've rolled out in our
long form. But I'm so excited to be taking the
Running interview show long form this year, taking it to YouTube.
I am so excited because you guys don't realize, like
I have such long conversations with every single person that
I've run with, and because of the nature of short
form content, I have to cut so much of that
(50:34):
conversation out, and the conversations are gold like the conversations
you have on the run with people, Like people are
so vulnerable, they open up so much, they say things
that they probably wouldn't in just a traditional sit down podcast.
And it's not like I'm getting tea on anybody. That's like,
not what I'm trying to say. But it's like people
really open up and get comfortable with you, and I
feel like I get to see people's true authentic self
(50:56):
in a way that a traditional interview doesn't get to see.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Tying that in.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
So you talk short so short form long form and
it's like we talk about short form brain versus long
form brain. And the way you need to think, in
the way you need to produce content for a fifteen
or ten minute plus video or for a podcast is
totally different. Yeah, but what are your thoughts on that, well,
just short form in general, like TikTok, like you're obviously
it's it's been huge for you.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, I mean the past few weeks have been crazy
and I have no idea what's going to happen, guys, Like,
it was hard for me because TikTok is like what
brought me, guys, you and like helped me connect with
you guys, and TikTok helped me find my voice, Like
TikTok helped me define my purpose in a lot of ways.
So when I found out that and now knowing that
(51:41):
we could potentially lose, that was definitely like a really
emotional experience. Like we bootstrapped this business on TikTok, and
of course I'm so blessed that we've been able to
translate onto different platforms like Instagram and YouTube, and that
we've grown such a loyal audience and you know, group
of you guys and we've got this runner gang. But
but yeah, it was really sad when I found out
(52:02):
about the TikTok News. It was a bummer, but I
do have to say, like again, glass have full girl.
I'm like, when one problem happens, I'm literally already onto
the next, the solution, and like working hard at something else.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
We're all in on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
We're all in on YouTube. We are all in on YouTube,
and this is the year that we're gonna make YouTube
our primary platform. And in terms of short form brain
versus long form brain, I really love long form brain. Like.
I think it's just healthier for our minds to be
thinking in long form brain. Like for a while, it's
very hard for me to have like sit down conversations
like this, and I think that was because I was
(52:37):
filming so much content thinking short form first, you know.
But long form is just giving me the opportunity to
show those longer conversations that we already have on the run.
So anyways, I just want to show you guys more
and I hope you're just as excited as me about it,
because I think we're gonna have some really fun runs
in the future and post run conversations.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
And post run high And I did go.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
For a run today. It's snowed to New York and
it's freezing outside, so I ran three miles on the treadmill.
It was fine. I got through it. So take this
as you're signed to move your body today. And thank
you guys so much for listening. I know this was
a ramble, and I hope you guys enjoyed learning about me.
I promise we will do more deep dive episodes like
(53:22):
this in the future. I am an open book, so seriously,
if you guys have any questions about me or anything
that you want me to talk about, whether it's like
my business or dive even deeper into my college internship experience.
I know I've gotten a lot of dms about that
as well. Like there's so many things that we talked
about today that I know I could double click into
for you guys, so please let me know. My inbox
(53:42):
on Instagram is an open forum, and the comment section
on YouTube please comment let us know there. Make sure
you guys subscribe to my YouTube channel and follow me
on TikTok and Instagram at Kate Max. I love you
guys so much. Thanks for watching.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Later again,
Host
Kate Mackz
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