April 2, 2025 • 38 mins
This week we sit down with Pretty Little Liar's star, Troian Bellisario, who shares how she never expected to land the role of Spencer Hastings—but the moment she stepped into the audition room, everything changed. She opens up about the challenges of navigating early success, battling imposter syndrome, and the pressure of stepping into a role beloved by book fans. Troian also shares insights into life after PLL, her experience on, “On Call,” and her transition into directing. She gets candid about working alongside her husband, Patrick J. Adams, including the unique challenges of watching each other in intimate scenes, and shares what’s next on the horizon.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What is up, guys, Welcome back to Post Friend High.
I am so excited for today's episode because we're here
with Troy and Bellisario aka to my twelve to thirteen
year old self, Spencer Hastings from Pretty Little Liars.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm just so excited to be sitting down with you today.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm so excited to be talking to you too.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We're currently in Troyan's house. We're in her beautiful living room,
and last night, as I was prepping for this interview,
I stumbled upon your architectural digest.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh my god video. Thank you. It's very cozy as
you can see, and I really appreciate you guys making
the trip.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How was the walk for you?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It was great. We had a lot.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You know, you were kind enough to let me bring
bea my dog. She had some moments, she found a friend,
they had a moment, But it was a great walk.
I love I love walking in La. I mean, you
know there's a song like nobody walks in La but
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
No, it's so nice and it's so nice being in
a sidewalk community where you can. I loved finding out
on our walk that you are an avid runner. Yes,
when did you get into running, and how did you
get into.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Running growing up?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
It was just like my father would go out and
go in these like epically long runs. When we lived
in New York. He would run all the way around
Central Park. He was the one who started me running
because my dad would go out. We grew up in
Laurel Canyon and particularly Friman, and so there's this really
wonderful park, Fryman Canyon, and there's this great running trail
and my dad would go out and run it every morning.
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When I wanted to be with my dad, I had
to start running. So I remember being like, I can run,
I can keep up with you dad, who's been like
a lifetime runner. And then I it just became like
a lifelong habit.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And I know your dad was. Was he a director
and producer, director and producer writer. Yeah, it's stressful, right,
So it's nice to have like an activity like going
for a run to keep you grounded totally.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And it's cool when.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
There's a parent in your life that sets that example
of like working out is not only good for the
body to make you feel good, but good for like
the mental you know totally.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, he really set that for me. Which was like
he had something to stew over. He went out for
a run or like a really long walk with our dogs.
And so that's definitely something that I've taken over and
my poor girls because I do that same thing where
you know, it's like the weekend and we haven't been
out of the house and I'm like, we're going for
a walk with bea and they're like, oh, but hopefully
it'll take it, and it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Will, it will.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I grew up with parents that were also super fit
and active, and it wasn't the focal point of our life.
It was just kind of like a part of our lifestyle,
and it was it was always ingrained in me, which
is probably why I I'll have a running interview show.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But did you play sports growing up?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I did, but I was like sports agnostic. I didn't
have a sport that I really gravitated to. I was
just like I'd try anything once. I played everything. I
was even on my middle school football team. I was
the only girl on the football team. And then it
kind of was a bit of a bummer because when
we got into high school, obviously it was tackle football,
so they were like, we're not putting a girl on
the team. So then my mom was like, why don't
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you try out for cheerleading, which was really fun and
I loved I'm a dancer too, so I love the dances,
but I could not get behind the cheers because I
was like, if I'm not out there playing, I don't
want to just yell at the people who are. But
I love sports, dance, running, all of it.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I played sports growing up, same thing, like so many
different sports, I definitely took to on the East Coast,
lacrosse is really big.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I am hugely interested in lacrosse.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Really yes, well, because it was it was sort of
let go of in the early parts of the show,
but originally Spencer Hastings was a lacrosse player, and so
in like the first episodes, I had a lacrosse coach
and I was like.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Doing practice on you know.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And then slowly our lives got taken over by being stocked,
and I guess the girls didn't have time for extracurricular activities.
But it was one of those hilarious moments where they
were like, do you have any experience with lacrosse? And
I was like, no, I'm a West Coast kid, like
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Right now, I have to learn how to like thro
and catch and pick up ground balls for the show.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Totally. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Was there one actor in the show that was a swimmer.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Or Emily Emily Shae Shane Mitchell was a swimmer and
Shae is also an incredibly athletic person, and so she Yeah,
I remember we had to do some she would swim,
she would train, and.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Then we had like one episode where we all went
out to like a swim meet of hers. It was
it was really cool to get to watch her because
she'd been like training for a while and like getting
the form down, so it was it was awesome. It's
like you're cheering on your friend in front of and
behind the camera.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Was acting more.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
The focal point in your teens and then when you
got to college, when did you kind of start prioritizing
acting and saying to yourself, Okay, this is what I
want to do.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So because I grew up, I was fortunate enough to
grow up in the industry. Both my parents are writer, producers, directors.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I was on a lot of sets and it was
kind of just the family business, but it was also
to me.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I was like, oh, that's a business.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Know, if I want to be involved in acting as
a you know, as a hobby, I need to get
into theater. I need to you know, do acting classes.
So I really wanted to do that, but my parents
also were very into me preparing for what if you
don't want to go into this, Like you need to
be well rounded. So my academic career, you know, all
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the way through high school was very very focused on
classes and studying, and then when I got to school college,
my parents were like, we don't care what you study,
but you have to go to college. And I was like, cool,
kind of study acting finally, and they were like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So then, like you said, college became totally theater.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I felt like I'd been waiting my whole life to
do that, and so it was really wonderful to just
be in a course that was totally you know, conservatory
style training and I was just doing plays all day long.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It is so cool to grow up with with parents
in the industry and then take kind of after them,
because I feel like it's not always that kids will
take after their parents that are in the industry. So
it's cool knowing that you were like no, I actually
really like this acting thing, and yeah, let's give it
a go. What was the audition process like when you
auditioned for Pretty Little Liars?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So I had just graduated college, and like I said,
television to me was kind of my parents' space. And
as I had described it to them, you know, they
were incredibly supportive from the jump, but they were also like, look,
when you come to our sets, you're seeing the point
zero one percent of actors who are on here. It
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has nothing to do with talent. It is right time,
right place, and you've got talent and you're right for
the role.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Like it's everything.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
So I thought of theater as my space that I
could carve out. So my plan was to move to
New York because I grew up in LA So I
was like, okay, cool, So after college, I'm going to
go do theater in New York and like TV will
be over here.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So I thought I was going to move to New
York to do theater.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
And while I was on my first job in LA
doing theater, it was pilot season, which is something that
we don't have anymore. Really, my boyfriend at the time,
who's from New York, was like, let's just do one
pilot season, like, so we have the experience before we go.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
To New York.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So my first audition of my first pilot season was
for Spencer Hastings.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Oh wow, so you auditioned for Spencer.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I did not have any other auditions, and so I
was like, I went in and I went into the
audition being like, they're never I'm not the girl for
this cause I knew from the little bit that I
knew about the books. I knew Spencer was the all
American girl in the books. She's blonde haired, blue eyed,
she's the lacrosse player, she's the you know, the valedictorian.
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So I connected a lot to her as far as
like sports academics, perfectionist. But I was like, I'm not
what the books say. So I just went in and
I did my take on it. And Marlene has very
famously told me that when I walked into the room, she.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Was like, I completely wrote you off. You were totally wrong.
And then you did the scene and I thought that's Spencer. Wow,
it was so bizarre.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
She was just like, Oh, that's wild that I just
completely thought this person is totally wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And then you came in and it was just like,
in my mind, you were Spencer.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
So I then you know, went to the callback and
went then you do the test and you do the
network test, and it's like so many different things. But again,
it was always under the guise of like, I'm not
this girl. I'm not like the I didn't think I
was TV. I thought I was just like, that's my parents' world.
I'm not going to be in it. I'm going to
go to New York. And then I remember getting the
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call and they were like, you're you got the role,
and I said, no, that's a mistake.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Wait.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I literally have chills because it's because I was going
to ask you when you first got the part, did
you see yourself in the role, And it's no. It's
knowing though that some of her characteristics, Spencer's characteristics you
did see. Yeah, I didn't realize that in the books
she was a blonde and you know.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, And I like, it's funny because when we were
shooting the pilot, I was looking you know, we didn't
have like social media really back then, but there were
online comment boards, and the comment boards were insane because
everybody was just like, you cast this girl speaking about me.
They were like, she's so wrong, she can't be Spencer. Actually,
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Hannah's character was brown hair, it was brown eyes. Yeah,
so they were like, Ashley Benson's wrong, you gotta switch them.
And it was like really brutal and kind of affirming
everything that I already thought, which was like, somehow these
people who are making this show have made a horrible mistake,
and like, after I do this job, they're gonna see
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And they were nothing but supportive and they the whole time.
And then now it's funny because it's to the point
where now people are like, what do you mean Spencer
had blonde hair and blue wies, Like what, that's so weird?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So it is. It's wild how stuff can change.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, definitely, And I feel like that is so hard
because coming off of an iconic book series, yeah, book fandom,
when you are transforming anything into a movie or a show,
they do go so hard. And you know, with the
casting and who's picked and all of that, how did
you deal with that going into filming the first season?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It still kind of felt like a weird experiment. The
first season.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I remember we were doing the show and we were
shooting it, and we were all together and we were
getting closer and closer, you know, the girls and the
writers and and and you know, all of the incredible
like our cast mates. And then the show came out
and we were just kind of locked away on us
studio stage in Burbank. And I remember the first time
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I was in Canada with my husband and we were
at like a bulk grocery store and I was like
putting almonds in a bag and I looked up and
this girl was like staring at me. And I had
never been recognized before ever in my life, and so
I was like.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I must be doing something bad to the almonds, Like
did I sneeze on them? Am I dirty? Why is
she staring at me?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
And she was just like your spencer, And I was like,
I'm so sorry, what are you talking about? Like it
didn't track, and I was like, oh my god, maybe
this is being watched by people. Like again, it just
didn't track. I was like, what do you mean you've
seen the show? Like this is actually a thing.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It turned into this massive, iconic show that has spanned generations. Now,
you know, it's so cool seeing like this new wave
of people that are just getting introduced to pretty.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Little liary fun When you were filming.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Was there a gut feeling kind of amongst the girls
that you were like, wait, this actually might be something.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It was funny because it was like everybody kept on
telling that to us. You know again, like I said,
we were just on these stages. We were doing our
work and becoming friends. But every step of the way
it was incredibly easy. It was one of those things
where it was like we shot the pilot not knowing
if we were going to get picked up, and then
all of a sudden it was like, you're getting picked up.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You're doing a first season.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And then when we were like a couple of episodes
into the first season, or maybe it was a little
bit more when the show came out, they were like,
you're getting a second season. So it was Oftentimes in
television things are really drawn out and they're very mysterious.
It's kind of like, well, we got to see how.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
People react, and even if they react, and it's really good,
like we don't know, we'll let you know. Every step
of the way.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
With PLL, it felt like everybody making it was very
much like we did something, we did something that's really
going to last, and it kept on like snowballing very quickly.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Was there any really challenge scene that you had to
shoot that you remember being like, how am I gonna
do this?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I'm sure you could talk to any of the girls
on the show and they might have the same answer.
But I always felt, like I said from the very beginning,
like I was wrong, And so I felt like, oh,
I totally get why Lucy Hale is here, Like I've
seen her on a TV show. I've seen Ashley Benson,
Shaye Mitchell is just like gorgeous. She walks into a
room and it's like ridiculous, you know, she takes the
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air out of it. And so I was like, oh,
those girls make sense, and then but so are you? Well?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
But I didn't feel that way. You had impossible syndrome
total totally.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And I have it for everything in my life. I
mean it's like I'm still experiencing it on the show
on call that I'm on, which like we'll get to
like I still have imposter syndrome. I'm every time somebody
who's a creative comes up to me on that set,
I'm like, you're.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Gonna fire me, right, Like did you figure it out?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Did? I not?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Wull you?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
But so it was all of the scenes that were
to me the hardest were when we had to be
like the pretty little liars, you know what I mean,
Like all the photo shoots and the interviews where it
was like I was just looking at my cast mates
and I was like, I get you guys in this world.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You guys all look like.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You stepped off the cover of seventeen magazine, and I
didn't understand where I fit into it. And so that
was really interesting because then in playing Spencer, there's a
lot of Spencer's insecurities and imposter syndrome as kind of
being like, you know, she she doesn't fit into her
family and she's constantly trying to, you know, fit into
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the girls in a weird way, and so those really
tracked for me. You know, I really understood that. And
it's been really cool because I feel like every time
I talk to a fan and they are very sweet
and they're like, I really identified with Spencer. That's kind
of what they bring up that they're like, I feel like,
you know, I have imposter syndrome or I have a perfectionism,
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and I, you know, I have this drive to be
some thing or get somewhere that I don't feel like
I'm there, So yeah, I'd say that was that was
like the parts where I felt the most that were
the most challenging was where I had to be like,
I'm a pretty little liar and that's totally fine with me,
Like I'm belong here.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It's hard to see yourself in the light that you are,
you know, and if you talk to Shay, she probably
felt the same way, or if you talk to ZOSSI, like,
I'm sure it was a similar experience with every single
girl in Hannah. But imposter syndrome is so real. So
many people that I interview talk about it. How do
you deal with imposter syndrome when you are casted for
these big roles and you're like, well, I am here, Yeah,
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this is me, and you.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Have to do a job.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
It's I mean, it's I think so much of it
is it's that like fake it till you make it
kind of thing with no guarantee that you will ever
make it, you know, but it's it's the feel of.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Fear and do it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Anyways, as I've gotten older, I just understand that feeling
like I'm not supposed to be in a place is
just the way my brain works. And it might be
a defense mechanism, or it might be a way that
like I've taught myself to think so that I can
be really prepared for situations. But whatever it is, it's
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just the way my neurological pathways work. It's just like
I'm going to tell myself, you don't belong here, so
you have to work x times harder to fit in.
And that's you know, as long as hopefully the catch
up is getting faster and faster as I grow older
and it's not weighing me down, that's that's the win
for me.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It's such a relatable experience and I feel like so
many people deal with this. Nobody is the perfect fit
for anything. Everybody's like has to work hard to get
a certain way, you know, and it's like imposter syndromes.
Sometimes you feel like, well, there's all these other people
that are better than me, But at the same time,
it's like all of those people feel the same way
they do. It's important to just kind of rise up
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to the challenge and attack it head on.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, and that's all you can do.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It's like, I remember one of the things that gave
me the most comfort is not that long ago. I
was speaking with my acting coach, talking to her about
my imposter syndrome, just being like, I don't know how
to do this because I inherently think I'm wrong. And
she works with a lot of really successful actors and
she was working with somebody who won an Academy award
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and she was like, I want to tell you that
on that job, I got this same call from them.
Everybody experiences this, and really what we as human beings
reward people for is when they step into who they are.
You know, we love theudiosyncrasies. We love the weird things
that you think like you're growing up in your ears
are too big, you know, and then all of a
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sudden you're out in the world and you find out like,
actually that's my favorite part of you, yes, you know,
and it's when you stop trying to hide your ears.
You know that, Like all of a sudden, people are like,
I love you, I love that you're you, and that's
so cool and you inspire me to be more me.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
How do you feel like pretty little liars formed you
and set you up for success in your other.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Roles in the specific industry that we work in. An entertainment.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
People want to categorize you, and they want to put
you in these little boxes because that's easier for them
to understand. Right, everybody's dealing with their own things, and
they're moving so fast through life, and so particularly I
think with casting. When I came off of PLL, a
lot of people were like, great, she's a teen you know,
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she's a teen actress. But the weird thing was when
I ended PL I was thirty and I was getting
married and then I started having kids, and so a
lot of what I came up against was like I
was kind of getting these auditions for really early twenties
or like very young feeling girls, and I was like, Okay,
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I still mentally feel like I'm seventeen, but I know
physically i'm not. And so how I'm going to have
to start proving myself, start proving to people that I'm
in a different part of my life. It was really
interesting when I got on call this most recent show. Again,
like I said, I felt the whole time, I was like,
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they're making a mistake.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm never going to get this job. But I related
to things.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
In her that were, you know, woman in a male
dominated industry, somebody who's leading with intelligence, not necessarily appearance,
and somebody who has a lot of maternal feelings. She's
not a mother, but like at this point in my life,
I am, and so I felt really good stepping into
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those roles and saying, now I can show this side
of myself and people might be ready to see it.
So yeah, it was interesting because PLL was a great
launching pad, but it also is something that I need to, like,
you know, like kind of not get away from, but
like be in reaction to.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And it's cool because I feel like your fans have
been able to grow with you, and I love that
you kind of set that hard bar for yourself and
you were like, you know what, I'm ready to play
more mature characters.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And it's also just so liberating because a big thing
for me on the show, because I was always older
playing younger, something that was you know, this industry is
brutal on women and aging, and one of the things
that was really hard was that, like I said, I
feel seventeen at heart, but I know I'm at that
time was a woman in my mid twenties.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You is that the weird thing about being in your
mid twenties oh my god, you're literally you still feel
so young.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, absolutely, and so but the interesting thing was, like
a lot of the show, a lot of the notes
were like how can we make Troy and like look younger,
you know what I mean? Or like appear younger, And
it was really hard because I was not, and I
was trying to mature in my life and my and
accept the way that my face was maturing and my
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body was maturing.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
But yet for this.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
She's not aging, and so you kind of have to
hold yourself up to a interesting standard. And so it
was very, very liberating to then get subsequent roles where
it was like, oh, you're you know, even with on Call,
like Tracy Harmon is older than me, and so it
was so liberating to be like, oh my gosh, I
don't have to pretend to be younger.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You know. It was lovely.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And I want to talk about On Call for a second,
because is it true that you trained like a real
police officer, like you shadowed police officers.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
We did shadow police officers.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I wish we could say that we went through training like,
but that takes months. And it was really wild because
we actually got Brandon and I were cast and then
we were shooting two and a half weeks later, so
it was a trial by fire and it was really
it was cool. And I don't think I'm speaking out
of turn he said this, but it's like with Diaz's character,
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he is it's his first day on the job, so
he's learned these things, but they don't have to be innate.
It was really wild for me to have, you know,
a few days of amazing training, but then to pretend
like I've been doing this for thirteen years, you know
what I mean. Like it was a really intimidating thing
to do. But we did get to go on ride
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alongs with police officers. They were absolutely wonderful in like
being such open books and sharing their experiences and their feelings,
and yeah, it was a really wonderful experience.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And for people listening that don't know the premise of
the show, give us a little teaser of what people
can expect from on Call.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So the show is really cool in that it is
a centers around to police officers. My character, Tracy Harmon,
is a field training officer, and then it is my trainee,
Alex Diaz, who's played by Brandon Leraquente, who's amazing, and
it is his.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
First day on the job.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So it's about a veteran police officer and a rookie
going out and going on calls. And the thing that
I really love about the show is that it's really
about just real time experiences that they're you know, having,
and it really invites you in almost in like a
documentary style, to see what it's like to live as
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a police officer.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
If the show continues with more seasons, is there an
evolution that you'd like to see with your character, like
kind of growth that you'd want to see within the lea.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, Well it's.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Hard because it's like, so so my character's desire, you know,
she's been a patrol cop for twelve years, and so
she's just getting a call and responding and getting a
call and responding in this very fast turnover rate, and
her desire is to become somebody who's a part of
a larger team, whether that's you know, a drug and
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trafficking team or whether it's a detective, you know, some
of the things where you get to work on a
case for a much longer time period. The challenging thing
is that's what I want to see for my character
and that's what my character wants. But then at the
same time, I wouldn't get to be working with Brandon
and he wouldn't get to be my rookie. So I
don't I don't want that in a way because I
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want to continue the show and see the relationship as
it buds between these two characters. But it's just really
funny that, like we have these overlapping desires, but they're
sort of like contra the show.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It's interesting. Wait, I'm curious too with that to Pretty
Little Liars? Did you ever predict the ending of Pretty
Little Liars?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I wish I could say that I did, but I so,
I'm incredibly nosy. And I loved our writing staff. They
were just so magnificent and I'm so grateful to have
worked with all of them are so talented. And so
what I would do is while we would shoot on
a stage and then like twenty feet away where the
offices and up the stairs was the writing room. And
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we were not really supposed to be in the writer's room.
It's not like we were not allowed, but I don't
know if you remember, but like when the show was
coming out, it was so tightly guarded as far as
secrets and twists and reveals, so they didn't want to
let anybody in, and so I would kind of like
find excuses to come up to the office and like
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poke my head in the writer's room and like try
to steal a look at the storylines on the board
or like ask them casually. When they came down to
go get a coffee from set, I was like, so, like,
what's happening with Spencer this season?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know what I mean? And they saw right through me.
They were like, you know, we can't tell you that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So it's interesting that you can't know as the one
playing the show was.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
That was something that we did come up against a lot,
and I know I'm not the only one, you know.
It was like for a lot of the characters because
they would suddenly reveal like this person's been a all along,
and the person who was playing that character was like, wait,
I haven't been thinking that.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I've just been like existing in my own world. What
do you mean, I've been.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Torturing my best friend. So it was really funny kind
of have these like catchups. And then I was really
fortunate in that there was one I think I just
got her on a good day and I was shooting
a scene with Keegan Allen, who played Toby.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
It was just the two of us, and Marlene King
came down, our creator, and.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
We were like, Marlene, like, what's gonna happen on this show?
Ultimately like who's the big battie? And I guess she
was just in a really good mood because she was like,
sit down, children, I'll tell you a story of what
I hope to have happen. And so that was in
our fourth year, and that was when she told me
about the possibility of Alex Drake and she but she
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told me she was like, look if I if this
ever gets out, we can't do it. So if you
are interested in playing two characters and being twins and
having this whole ending, you got to keep your trap
shut for like three years.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
It was It was really fun.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I love knowing that it was you and Keegan that
found out. Yeah, so that's just funny. Based on your
the storyline, people were obsessed with what is the name?
It was like, so be Boby Boby. Yeah, that took
on a world of its own.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It totally did.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
And I love knowing how you wanted to sneak into
the writer's room, because it's cool seeing like your progression
as like a business woman and as an entrepreneur, Like
you love writing, you love directing. I know you even
directed one episode of Pretty Little Liars. Yes, and you've
gone on to direct your own movies. What about directing?
Do you feel like you love?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You know, it's really funny.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I I love directing, But it wasn't something that came
naturally to me, because I grew up surrounded by directors, right.
My mom's a director, my dad's a director, my husband's
a director, my best friend's a director, and so growing
up I was just like, oh, I'll be I'll be
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the writer or I'll be the actress, and then you
guys will take care of the rest and all that.
And it wasn't actually until I was on PLL and
I would be my usual no and I would be
talking to the directors and I would say like, what
lens are you using?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Or why are you shooting like this? Or oh, are
you going to get coverage from over here? What if
I did this?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
And it was a really wonderful sound person named Jill
who would tell me she was like Bella, Sorry.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
When are you gonna direct? And I was like, Jill,
I'm never directing. What are you talking about.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
She was like okay, and she just kind of like
laid into me over many seasons, you just like I
don't know, I'm just waiting for you to get in
that chair. And I was like, Jill, it's never happening.
I don't have any interest. And then once we started
getting to the final seasons, I realized I was like, oh,
I might never have another show where I'm this comfortable
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with all the creative entities, where I know these characters
so well, where I have this relationship with the actors
and with the creative, you know, side of things. Maybe
I should throw my hat in the ring. And they
were just so endlessly supportive, and they set me up
at Warner Brothers and I got to take the Director's Workshop,
which was like a crash course in filmmaking, and did
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television production, which I'm I learned everything. And then it
really was wonderful because it felt like making a home
movie like with your friends, you know. It was really
like it was so awesome to be able to get
into a scene and be like Shay Sasha, like you
know exactly what you're doing, Like I'm just gonna set
up the shot like, you know, and they would you know, they'd.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Either do that or they'd be like, well what about
if I do this?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
And I was like, yes, absolutely, So it was It
was such a wonderful springboard for me to learn that craft.
And then after that, you know, I got the chance
to direct an episode of Famous in Love, which was
wonderful because it was new storylines, new actors, but a
really similar you know, producers. Marlene was the creator of that.
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And then after that I got Good Trouble. And the
wonderful thing about Good Trouble was it was totally new actors,
totally new creatives. But by that time I had had
topisodes under my belt to be like, Okay, I know
a little bit how this works, and then it's just
been growing from there.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, it's incredible. We talked a little bit about Patrick
for contact. Troyan's husband is Patrick Jay Adams, who plays
Michael Ross famously in Suits. Is it true that he
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was originally casted for something within the pl universe and
then was showing up too much on set and ended
up getting cut before Is that true?
Speaker 4 (30:38):
That is a hilarious rumor. Oh my god, I want
to go tell that to Patrick immediately. Do you imagine
I'm like, sorry, you're stalking the set too.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I feel like that.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So what happened was we were together.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
We met on a play, and then I got PLL
and we were together, and then in between the season,
like going into season one, we broke up.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
It like immediately the day.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
After we break up, he gets an audition for a
role on my show. Okay, he's obviously an incredible actor,
and he knew our amazing casting directors, Bonnie Zane and
Gil Pillsbury, and so he went in knocked it out
of the park and then told them he was like
I really want this role, and they were like okay,
Like okay, sure, And so then he got the role,
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and then he called me and he was like, hey,
I'm going to be on your show, so we should
probably like talk because it I don't want it to
be weird when we're on set together. And then of
course we talk and we end up getting back together,
and then we did not shoot it all together. I
wasn't even on set that day. We never would have
seen each other, but we were back in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Very clearly. We were meant to be, but that was
why I no.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
So he had a role, and I think one of
the fun things about his role too, is that there
was a lot of I think now looking back at
the show, there's a lot of controversy around the Ezra
Aria storyline. You know, it's yes, yes, what's so funny
because it's like, at the time, it was like ezraa forever,
like these two are endgame and they do they end
up getting married. But now several years later, we're like,
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m that was a really not cool relationship. And it
was funny because he was the only character who said
this is not cool, and he was playing like Ezra's
friend and he was just like, you cannot be dating
a high schooler, Like he was the one voice of
reason in.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The entirety of our show.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, so it's like he came from the future to
be like, hmm, I don't know about this.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Okay, So he was in pretty Little Liars.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
He was in pretty Little Liars for one episode and
then he got suits.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, okay, got it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
What is it like working together because I know you guys, yes,
unmarried and then married, have been on sets together collaborating
in film.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yes, So what is it like working with your partner.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
It's a blast. I mean, it is.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
It's so fun because originally, like I you know, like
I told you on our walk, we were seven years
long distance, and so the only time when we would
really get to see each other was when I miraculously
had a day off or he had a day off,
and we'd fly to each other's sets, but usually the
other person would be working. So I spent so much
time hanging out on the suit set, just like sitting
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in a chair just.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Being like, no, honey, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
And and so it was really wonderful because I got
to know the whole cast of suits, and I got
to know the writers and the directors really well from
just like being there. And then they suddenly like had
a role for me, And it was so wonderful because
I was like, wait, now we're guaranteed to spend time
together because we'll be like, you have to work, and
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I'll be there.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
So it was so much fun.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And then since then it's just been a really wonderful different,
you know, kinds of collaboration where we'll have a movie
and suddenly you know, he'll be cast and they'll be like,
well what if you come along? And I'm like, great,
Now we're guaranteed to hang out together, so it's it's
a real joy and it's really fun. The last time
we worked together was on a show in Canada and
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we were actually playing like we were having an affair
with each other, which was very funny because he had
like a different wife and I was having an affair
with me.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
What is that like?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I interviewed Henry Golding and we talked about this because
he wasn't an actor before booking Crazy Rigasions, Oh my god.
And I remember him saying it was hard for his
wife because he was She was like, you were never
an actor, and all of a sudden, you're falling in
love on screen. Sure, what is it like seeing your
partner have a romantic relationship on screen?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
You know? I feel very fortunate.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, yeah, what is it like?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Do you want to do you want to talk to that?
You have no problem? Tell me what it's like. You
have no albums together, so we've been together so long.
I'm kind of like, get it, babe, have fun.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
No, that was the perfect question to come in for. Okay,
that's great, great, great.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's what it's like.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
No, honestly, it is like, you know, I think I
think both of us truly understand how awkward love scenes are,
and so the last thing I ever want to do
is provide an additional thing in his head when you're
having to shoot a love scene. You know, I don't
want him to be thinking like, oh, what does Troy
and think about this?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So I've been I feel very confident and no, yeah,
you know what I mean. It's one of the worst things.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
But I can't even dance on camera. So, like the
whole love scene thing is crazy to me.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It is deeply embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
And I will say the funny thing about it is like,
obviously I don't love watching him make out with another
person or have sex with another person. And it's always
really weird because like, you know, you're the most intimate,
like we.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Have two kids together.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah, so it's like super weird when I'm hearing him
kiss and like I'm like, that's that sound is very familiar,
you know what I mean, Or like he'll do like
a little sign and I'm like, I.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Know that side. That's creepy. So it is.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah, they are like weird, you know, intimacies that are
a little bit like tough to swallow, and.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You're like I thought, I thought only I heard that sound.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Literally, and then it's like everybody watch, Oh gosh, yeah, no,
it's likely embarrassing. Yeah, I get I like that. I
like that term deeply embarrassing. That was that would be
how I feel. I'm like, did you watch Aurora Aurora Yura?
And no, no, that's okay, my DA's name is yes,
I do, Okay, did you watch?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I'm so impressed by how she maneuvered that role.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I have never had to do like that kind of
a role, that kind of and so I have so
much respect for that, like so deeply vulnerable and it is,
you know, obviously like for that role. It's so necessary
and her vulnerability and her like also just her dance skills,
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her training, like the way she carried herself, like it
is the Brooklyn accent, the Brooklyn accents, learning Russian, like
it's so clear why she won the Academy Award for
Best Actress, Like it's you know it. But it's really
amazing to get to see a character and get to
see somebody because I don't know Mikey personally, but it
would be so interesting to meet her and see who
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she is outside of that character, because I bet she's
a totally different person.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We have been filming for so long. Yeah, so I
feel like Spencer and I could talk forever. We talked
about this a little bit before, but Spencer's a scorpio
and I'm a cancer, and they're like the most compatible signs.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
So I really feel like we could talk forever. But
let's wrap up.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
What do you have coming up that you're excited about
that you want us to be on the lookout for.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Oh my gosh, Well, if you haven't seen on Call
on Amazon, please watch it. It's so much fun and
we had so much fun making it, and so we're
really looking forward to Fingers Crossed A Season two and
getting back into work because I love all of those
people and I love the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
It was just such a different world to film in.
And then what do I have coming up?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Like you said, I'm a writer, so I'm just constantly
writing and trying to create my own things, and so
I can't wait to hopefully have some good news in
that sphere as well.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
And yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I love it so much. Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Thank you for being so much, Thanks for coming to
my house. I really appreciate it. M.
What is up, guys, Welcome back to Post Friend High.
I am so excited for today's episode because we're here
with Troy and Bellisario aka to my twelve to thirteen
year old self, Spencer Hastings from Pretty Little Liars.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm just so excited to be sitting down with you today.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm so excited to be talking to you too.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We're currently in Troyan's house. We're in her beautiful living room,
and last night, as I was prepping for this interview,
I stumbled upon your architectural digest.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh my god video. Thank you. It's very cozy as
you can see, and I really appreciate you guys making
the trip.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How was the walk for you?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It was great. We had a lot.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You know, you were kind enough to let me bring
bea my dog. She had some moments, she found a friend,
they had a moment, But it was a great walk.
I love I love walking in La. I mean, you
know there's a song like nobody walks in La but
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
No, it's so nice and it's so nice being in
a sidewalk community where you can. I loved finding out
on our walk that you are an avid runner. Yes,
when did you get into running, and how did you
get into.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Running growing up?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
It was just like my father would go out and
go in these like epically long runs. When we lived
in New York. He would run all the way around
Central Park. He was the one who started me running
because my dad would go out. We grew up in
Laurel Canyon and particularly Friman, and so there's this really
wonderful park, Fryman Canyon, and there's this great running trail
and my dad would go out and run it every morning.
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When I wanted to be with my dad, I had
to start running. So I remember being like, I can run,
I can keep up with you dad, who's been like
a lifetime runner. And then I it just became like
a lifelong habit.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And I know your dad was. Was he a director
and producer, director and producer writer. Yeah, it's stressful, right,
So it's nice to have like an activity like going
for a run to keep you grounded totally.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And it's cool when.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
There's a parent in your life that sets that example
of like working out is not only good for the
body to make you feel good, but good for like
the mental you know totally.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, he really set that for me. Which was like
he had something to stew over. He went out for
a run or like a really long walk with our dogs.
And so that's definitely something that I've taken over and
my poor girls because I do that same thing where
you know, it's like the weekend and we haven't been
out of the house and I'm like, we're going for
a walk with bea and they're like, oh, but hopefully
it'll take it, and it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Will, it will.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I grew up with parents that were also super fit
and active, and it wasn't the focal point of our life.
It was just kind of like a part of our lifestyle,
and it was it was always ingrained in me, which
is probably why I I'll have a running interview show.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But did you play sports growing up?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I did, but I was like sports agnostic. I didn't
have a sport that I really gravitated to. I was
just like I'd try anything once. I played everything. I
was even on my middle school football team. I was
the only girl on the football team. And then it
kind of was a bit of a bummer because when
we got into high school, obviously it was tackle football,
so they were like, we're not putting a girl on
the team. So then my mom was like, why don't
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you try out for cheerleading, which was really fun and
I loved I'm a dancer too, so I love the dances,
but I could not get behind the cheers because I
was like, if I'm not out there playing, I don't
want to just yell at the people who are. But
I love sports, dance, running, all of it.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I played sports growing up, same thing, like so many
different sports, I definitely took to on the East Coast,
lacrosse is really big.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I am hugely interested in lacrosse.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Really yes, well, because it was it was sort of
let go of in the early parts of the show,
but originally Spencer Hastings was a lacrosse player, and so
in like the first episodes, I had a lacrosse coach
and I was like.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Doing practice on you know.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And then slowly our lives got taken over by being stocked,
and I guess the girls didn't have time for extracurricular activities.
But it was one of those hilarious moments where they
were like, do you have any experience with lacrosse? And
I was like, no, I'm a West Coast kid, like
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Right now, I have to learn how to like thro
and catch and pick up ground balls for the show.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Totally. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Was there one actor in the show that was a swimmer.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Or Emily Emily Shae Shane Mitchell was a swimmer and
Shae is also an incredibly athletic person, and so she Yeah,
I remember we had to do some she would swim,
she would train, and.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Then we had like one episode where we all went
out to like a swim meet of hers. It was
it was really cool to get to watch her because
she'd been like training for a while and like getting
the form down, so it was it was awesome. It's
like you're cheering on your friend in front of and
behind the camera.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Was acting more.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
The focal point in your teens and then when you
got to college, when did you kind of start prioritizing
acting and saying to yourself, Okay, this is what I
want to do.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So because I grew up, I was fortunate enough to
grow up in the industry. Both my parents are writer, producers, directors.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I was on a lot of sets and it was
kind of just the family business, but it was also
to me.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I was like, oh, that's a business.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Know, if I want to be involved in acting as
a you know, as a hobby, I need to get
into theater. I need to you know, do acting classes.
So I really wanted to do that, but my parents
also were very into me preparing for what if you
don't want to go into this, Like you need to
be well rounded. So my academic career, you know, all
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the way through high school was very very focused on
classes and studying, and then when I got to school college,
my parents were like, we don't care what you study,
but you have to go to college. And I was like, cool,
kind of study acting finally, and they were like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So then, like you said, college became totally theater.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I felt like I'd been waiting my whole life to
do that, and so it was really wonderful to just
be in a course that was totally you know, conservatory
style training and I was just doing plays all day long.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It is so cool to grow up with with parents
in the industry and then take kind of after them,
because I feel like it's not always that kids will
take after their parents that are in the industry. So
it's cool knowing that you were like no, I actually
really like this acting thing, and yeah, let's give it
a go. What was the audition process like when you
auditioned for Pretty Little Liars?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So I had just graduated college, and like I said,
television to me was kind of my parents' space. And
as I had described it to them, you know, they
were incredibly supportive from the jump, but they were also like, look,
when you come to our sets, you're seeing the point
zero one percent of actors who are on here. It
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has nothing to do with talent. It is right time,
right place, and you've got talent and you're right for
the role.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Like it's everything.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
So I thought of theater as my space that I
could carve out. So my plan was to move to
New York because I grew up in LA So I
was like, okay, cool, So after college, I'm going to
go do theater in New York and like TV will
be over here.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So I thought I was going to move to New
York to do theater.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
And while I was on my first job in LA
doing theater, it was pilot season, which is something that
we don't have anymore. Really, my boyfriend at the time,
who's from New York, was like, let's just do one
pilot season, like, so we have the experience before we go.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
To New York.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
So my first audition of my first pilot season was
for Spencer Hastings.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Oh wow, so you auditioned for Spencer.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I did not have any other auditions, and so I
was like, I went in and I went into the
audition being like, they're never I'm not the girl for
this cause I knew from the little bit that I
knew about the books. I knew Spencer was the all
American girl in the books. She's blonde haired, blue eyed,
she's the lacrosse player, she's the you know, the valedictorian.
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So I connected a lot to her as far as
like sports academics, perfectionist. But I was like, I'm not
what the books say. So I just went in and
I did my take on it. And Marlene has very
famously told me that when I walked into the room, she.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Was like, I completely wrote you off. You were totally wrong.
And then you did the scene and I thought that's Spencer. Wow,
it was so bizarre.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
She was just like, Oh, that's wild that I just
completely thought this person is totally wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And then you came in and it was just like,
in my mind, you were Spencer.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
So I then you know, went to the callback and
went then you do the test and you do the
network test, and it's like so many different things. But again,
it was always under the guise of like, I'm not
this girl. I'm not like the I didn't think I
was TV. I thought I was just like, that's my parents' world.
I'm not going to be in it. I'm going to
go to New York. And then I remember getting the
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call and they were like, you're you got the role,
and I said, no, that's a mistake.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Wait.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I literally have chills because it's because I was going
to ask you when you first got the part, did
you see yourself in the role, And it's no. It's
knowing though that some of her characteristics, Spencer's characteristics you
did see. Yeah, I didn't realize that in the books
she was a blonde and you know.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, And I like, it's funny because when we were
shooting the pilot, I was looking you know, we didn't
have like social media really back then, but there were
online comment boards, and the comment boards were insane because
everybody was just like, you cast this girl speaking about me.
They were like, she's so wrong, she can't be Spencer. Actually,
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Hannah's character was brown hair, it was brown eyes. Yeah,
so they were like, Ashley Benson's wrong, you gotta switch them.
And it was like really brutal and kind of affirming
everything that I already thought, which was like, somehow these
people who are making this show have made a horrible mistake,
and like, after I do this job, they're gonna see
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And they were nothing but supportive and they the whole time.
And then now it's funny because it's to the point
where now people are like, what do you mean Spencer
had blonde hair and blue wies, Like what, that's so weird?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So it is. It's wild how stuff can change.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, definitely, And I feel like that is so hard
because coming off of an iconic book series, yeah, book fandom,
when you are transforming anything into a movie or a show,
they do go so hard. And you know, with the
casting and who's picked and all of that, how did
you deal with that going into filming the first season?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It still kind of felt like a weird experiment. The
first season.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I remember we were doing the show and we were
shooting it, and we were all together and we were
getting closer and closer, you know, the girls and the
writers and and and you know, all of the incredible
like our cast mates. And then the show came out
and we were just kind of locked away on us
studio stage in Burbank. And I remember the first time
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I was in Canada with my husband and we were
at like a bulk grocery store and I was like
putting almonds in a bag and I looked up and
this girl was like staring at me. And I had
never been recognized before ever in my life, and so
I was like.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I must be doing something bad to the almonds, Like
did I sneeze on them? Am I dirty? Why is
she staring at me?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
And she was just like your spencer, And I was like,
I'm so sorry, what are you talking about? Like it
didn't track, and I was like, oh my god, maybe
this is being watched by people. Like again, it just
didn't track. I was like, what do you mean you've
seen the show? Like this is actually a thing.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It turned into this massive, iconic show that has spanned generations. Now,
you know, it's so cool seeing like this new wave
of people that are just getting introduced to pretty.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Little liary fun When you were filming.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Was there a gut feeling kind of amongst the girls
that you were like, wait, this actually might be something.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It was funny because it was like everybody kept on
telling that to us. You know again, like I said,
we were just on these stages. We were doing our
work and becoming friends. But every step of the way
it was incredibly easy. It was one of those things
where it was like we shot the pilot not knowing
if we were going to get picked up, and then
all of a sudden it was like, you're getting picked up.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You're doing a first season.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And then when we were like a couple of episodes
into the first season, or maybe it was a little
bit more when the show came out, they were like,
you're getting a second season. So it was Oftentimes in
television things are really drawn out and they're very mysterious.
It's kind of like, well, we got to see how.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
People react, and even if they react, and it's really good,
like we don't know, we'll let you know. Every step
of the way.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
With PLL, it felt like everybody making it was very
much like we did something, we did something that's really
going to last, and it kept on like snowballing very quickly.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Was there any really challenge scene that you had to
shoot that you remember being like, how am I gonna
do this?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I'm sure you could talk to any of the girls
on the show and they might have the same answer.
But I always felt, like I said from the very beginning,
like I was wrong, And so I felt like, oh,
I totally get why Lucy Hale is here, Like I've
seen her on a TV show. I've seen Ashley Benson,
Shaye Mitchell is just like gorgeous. She walks into a
room and it's like ridiculous, you know, she takes the
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air out of it. And so I was like, oh,
those girls make sense, and then but so are you? Well?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
But I didn't feel that way. You had impossible syndrome
total totally.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And I have it for everything in my life. I
mean it's like I'm still experiencing it on the show
on call that I'm on, which like we'll get to
like I still have imposter syndrome. I'm every time somebody
who's a creative comes up to me on that set,
I'm like, you're.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Gonna fire me, right, Like did you figure it out?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Did? I not?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Wull you?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
But so it was all of the scenes that were
to me the hardest were when we had to be
like the pretty little liars, you know what I mean,
Like all the photo shoots and the interviews where it
was like I was just looking at my cast mates
and I was like, I get you guys in this world.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You guys all look like.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You stepped off the cover of seventeen magazine, and I
didn't understand where I fit into it. And so that
was really interesting because then in playing Spencer, there's a
lot of Spencer's insecurities and imposter syndrome as kind of
being like, you know, she she doesn't fit into her
family and she's constantly trying to, you know, fit into
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the girls in a weird way, and so those really
tracked for me. You know, I really understood that. And
it's been really cool because I feel like every time
I talk to a fan and they are very sweet
and they're like, I really identified with Spencer. That's kind
of what they bring up that they're like, I feel like,
you know, I have imposter syndrome or I have a perfectionism,
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and I, you know, I have this drive to be
some thing or get somewhere that I don't feel like
I'm there, So yeah, I'd say that was that was
like the parts where I felt the most that were
the most challenging was where I had to be like,
I'm a pretty little liar and that's totally fine with me,
Like I'm belong here.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It's hard to see yourself in the light that you are,
you know, and if you talk to Shay, she probably
felt the same way, or if you talk to ZOSSI, like,
I'm sure it was a similar experience with every single
girl in Hannah. But imposter syndrome is so real. So
many people that I interview talk about it. How do
you deal with imposter syndrome when you are casted for
these big roles and you're like, well, I am here, Yeah,
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this is me, and you.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Have to do a job.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
It's I mean, it's I think so much of it
is it's that like fake it till you make it
kind of thing with no guarantee that you will ever
make it, you know, but it's it's the feel of.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Fear and do it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Anyways, as I've gotten older, I just understand that feeling
like I'm not supposed to be in a place is
just the way my brain works. And it might be
a defense mechanism, or it might be a way that
like I've taught myself to think so that I can
be really prepared for situations. But whatever it is, it's
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just the way my neurological pathways work. It's just like
I'm going to tell myself, you don't belong here, so
you have to work x times harder to fit in.
And that's you know, as long as hopefully the catch
up is getting faster and faster as I grow older
and it's not weighing me down, that's that's the win
for me.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It's such a relatable experience and I feel like so
many people deal with this. Nobody is the perfect fit
for anything. Everybody's like has to work hard to get
a certain way, you know, and it's like imposter syndromes.
Sometimes you feel like, well, there's all these other people
that are better than me, But at the same time,
it's like all of those people feel the same way
they do. It's important to just kind of rise up
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to the challenge and attack it head on.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, and that's all you can do.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It's like, I remember one of the things that gave
me the most comfort is not that long ago. I
was speaking with my acting coach, talking to her about
my imposter syndrome, just being like, I don't know how
to do this because I inherently think I'm wrong. And
she works with a lot of really successful actors and
she was working with somebody who won an Academy award
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and she was like, I want to tell you that
on that job, I got this same call from them.
Everybody experiences this, and really what we as human beings
reward people for is when they step into who they are.
You know, we love theudiosyncrasies. We love the weird things
that you think like you're growing up in your ears
are too big, you know, and then all of a
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sudden you're out in the world and you find out like,
actually that's my favorite part of you, yes, you know,
and it's when you stop trying to hide your ears.
You know that, Like all of a sudden, people are like,
I love you, I love that you're you, and that's
so cool and you inspire me to be more me.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
How do you feel like pretty little liars formed you
and set you up for success in your other.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Roles in the specific industry that we work in. An entertainment.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
People want to categorize you, and they want to put
you in these little boxes because that's easier for them
to understand. Right, everybody's dealing with their own things, and
they're moving so fast through life, and so particularly I
think with casting. When I came off of PLL, a
lot of people were like, great, she's a teen you know,
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she's a teen actress. But the weird thing was when
I ended PL I was thirty and I was getting
married and then I started having kids, and so a
lot of what I came up against was like I
was kind of getting these auditions for really early twenties
or like very young feeling girls, and I was like, Okay,
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I still mentally feel like I'm seventeen, but I know
physically i'm not. And so how I'm going to have
to start proving myself, start proving to people that I'm
in a different part of my life. It was really
interesting when I got on call this most recent show. Again,
like I said, I felt the whole time, I was like,
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they're making a mistake.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm never going to get this job. But I related
to things.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
In her that were, you know, woman in a male
dominated industry, somebody who's leading with intelligence, not necessarily appearance,
and somebody who has a lot of maternal feelings. She's
not a mother, but like at this point in my life,
I am, and so I felt really good stepping into
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those roles and saying, now I can show this side
of myself and people might be ready to see it.
So yeah, it was interesting because PLL was a great
launching pad, but it also is something that I need to, like,
you know, like kind of not get away from, but
like be in reaction to.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And it's cool because I feel like your fans have
been able to grow with you, and I love that
you kind of set that hard bar for yourself and
you were like, you know what, I'm ready to play
more mature characters.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And it's also just so liberating because a big thing
for me on the show, because I was always older
playing younger, something that was you know, this industry is
brutal on women and aging, and one of the things
that was really hard was that, like I said, I
feel seventeen at heart, but I know I'm at that
time was a woman in my mid twenties.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You is that the weird thing about being in your
mid twenties oh my god, you're literally you still feel
so young.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, absolutely, and so but the interesting thing was, like
a lot of the show, a lot of the notes
were like how can we make Troy and like look younger,
you know what I mean? Or like appear younger, And
it was really hard because I was not, and I
was trying to mature in my life and my and
accept the way that my face was maturing and my
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body was maturing.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
But yet for this.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
She's not aging, and so you kind of have to
hold yourself up to a interesting standard. And so it
was very, very liberating to then get subsequent roles where
it was like, oh, you're you know, even with on Call,
like Tracy Harmon is older than me, and so it
was so liberating to be like, oh my gosh, I
don't have to pretend to be younger.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You know. It was lovely.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And I want to talk about On Call for a second,
because is it true that you trained like a real
police officer, like you shadowed police officers.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
We did shadow police officers.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I wish we could say that we went through training like,
but that takes months. And it was really wild because
we actually got Brandon and I were cast and then
we were shooting two and a half weeks later, so
it was a trial by fire and it was really
it was cool. And I don't think I'm speaking out
of turn he said this, but it's like with Diaz's character,
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he is it's his first day on the job, so
he's learned these things, but they don't have to be innate.
It was really wild for me to have, you know,
a few days of amazing training, but then to pretend
like I've been doing this for thirteen years, you know
what I mean. Like it was a really intimidating thing
to do. But we did get to go on ride
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alongs with police officers. They were absolutely wonderful in like
being such open books and sharing their experiences and their feelings,
and yeah, it was a really wonderful experience.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And for people listening that don't know the premise of
the show, give us a little teaser of what people
can expect from on Call.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So the show is really cool in that it is
a centers around to police officers. My character, Tracy Harmon,
is a field training officer, and then it is my trainee,
Alex Diaz, who's played by Brandon Leraquente, who's amazing, and
it is his.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
First day on the job.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So it's about a veteran police officer and a rookie
going out and going on calls. And the thing that
I really love about the show is that it's really
about just real time experiences that they're you know, having,
and it really invites you in almost in like a
documentary style, to see what it's like to live as
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a police officer.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
If the show continues with more seasons, is there an
evolution that you'd like to see with your character, like
kind of growth that you'd want to see within the lea.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, Well it's.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Hard because it's like, so so my character's desire, you know,
she's been a patrol cop for twelve years, and so
she's just getting a call and responding and getting a
call and responding in this very fast turnover rate, and
her desire is to become somebody who's a part of
a larger team, whether that's you know, a drug and
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trafficking team or whether it's a detective, you know, some
of the things where you get to work on a
case for a much longer time period. The challenging thing
is that's what I want to see for my character
and that's what my character wants. But then at the
same time, I wouldn't get to be working with Brandon
and he wouldn't get to be my rookie. So I
don't I don't want that in a way because I
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want to continue the show and see the relationship as
it buds between these two characters. But it's just really
funny that, like we have these overlapping desires, but they're
sort of like contra the show.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It's interesting. Wait, I'm curious too with that to Pretty
Little Liars? Did you ever predict the ending of Pretty
Little Liars?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I wish I could say that I did, but I so,
I'm incredibly nosy. And I loved our writing staff. They
were just so magnificent and I'm so grateful to have
worked with all of them are so talented. And so
what I would do is while we would shoot on
a stage and then like twenty feet away where the
offices and up the stairs was the writing room. And
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we were not really supposed to be in the writer's room.
It's not like we were not allowed, but I don't
know if you remember, but like when the show was
coming out, it was so tightly guarded as far as
secrets and twists and reveals, so they didn't want to
let anybody in, and so I would kind of like
find excuses to come up to the office and like
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poke my head in the writer's room and like try
to steal a look at the storylines on the board
or like ask them casually. When they came down to
go get a coffee from set, I was like, so, like,
what's happening with Spencer this season?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know what I mean? And they saw right through me.
They were like, you know, we can't tell you that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So it's interesting that you can't know as the one
playing the show was.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
That was something that we did come up against a lot,
and I know I'm not the only one, you know.
It was like for a lot of the characters because
they would suddenly reveal like this person's been a all along,
and the person who was playing that character was like, wait,
I haven't been thinking that.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I've just been like existing in my own world. What
do you mean, I've been.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Torturing my best friend. So it was really funny kind
of have these like catchups. And then I was really
fortunate in that there was one I think I just
got her on a good day and I was shooting
a scene with Keegan Allen, who played Toby.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
It was just the two of us, and Marlene King
came down, our creator, and.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
We were like, Marlene, like, what's gonna happen on this show?
Ultimately like who's the big battie? And I guess she
was just in a really good mood because she was like,
sit down, children, I'll tell you a story of what
I hope to have happen. And so that was in
our fourth year, and that was when she told me
about the possibility of Alex Drake and she but she
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told me she was like, look if I if this
ever gets out, we can't do it. So if you
are interested in playing two characters and being twins and
having this whole ending, you got to keep your trap
shut for like three years.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
It was It was really fun.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I love knowing that it was you and Keegan that
found out. Yeah, so that's just funny. Based on your
the storyline, people were obsessed with what is the name?
It was like, so be Boby Boby. Yeah, that took
on a world of its own.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It totally did.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
And I love knowing how you wanted to sneak into
the writer's room, because it's cool seeing like your progression
as like a business woman and as an entrepreneur, Like
you love writing, you love directing. I know you even
directed one episode of Pretty Little Liars. Yes, and you've
gone on to direct your own movies. What about directing?
Do you feel like you love?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You know, it's really funny.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I I love directing, But it wasn't something that came
naturally to me, because I grew up surrounded by directors, right.
My mom's a director, my dad's a director, my husband's
a director, my best friend's a director, and so growing
up I was just like, oh, I'll be I'll be
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the writer or I'll be the actress, and then you
guys will take care of the rest and all that.
And it wasn't actually until I was on PLL and
I would be my usual no and I would be
talking to the directors and I would say like, what
lens are you using?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Or why are you shooting like this? Or oh, are
you going to get coverage from over here? What if
I did this?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
And it was a really wonderful sound person named Jill
who would tell me she was like Bella, Sorry.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
When are you gonna direct? And I was like, Jill,
I'm never directing. What are you talking about.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
She was like okay, and she just kind of like
laid into me over many seasons, you just like I
don't know, I'm just waiting for you to get in
that chair. And I was like, Jill, it's never happening.
I don't have any interest. And then once we started
getting to the final seasons, I realized I was like, oh,
I might never have another show where I'm this comfortable
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with all the creative entities, where I know these characters
so well, where I have this relationship with the actors
and with the creative, you know, side of things. Maybe
I should throw my hat in the ring. And they
were just so endlessly supportive, and they set me up
at Warner Brothers and I got to take the Director's Workshop,
which was like a crash course in filmmaking, and did
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television production, which I'm I learned everything. And then it
really was wonderful because it felt like making a home
movie like with your friends, you know. It was really
like it was so awesome to be able to get
into a scene and be like Shay Sasha, like you
know exactly what you're doing, Like I'm just gonna set
up the shot like, you know, and they would you know, they'd.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Either do that or they'd be like, well what about
if I do this?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
And I was like, yes, absolutely, So it was It
was such a wonderful springboard for me to learn that craft.
And then after that, you know, I got the chance
to direct an episode of Famous in Love, which was
wonderful because it was new storylines, new actors, but a
really similar you know, producers. Marlene was the creator of that.
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And then after that I got Good Trouble. And the
wonderful thing about Good Trouble was it was totally new actors,
totally new creatives. But by that time I had had
topisodes under my belt to be like, Okay, I know
a little bit how this works, and then it's just
been growing from there.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, it's incredible. We talked a little bit about Patrick
for contact. Troyan's husband is Patrick Jay Adams, who plays
Michael Ross famously in Suits. Is it true that he
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was originally casted for something within the pl universe and
then was showing up too much on set and ended
up getting cut before Is that true?
Speaker 4 (30:38):
That is a hilarious rumor. Oh my god, I want
to go tell that to Patrick immediately. Do you imagine
I'm like, sorry, you're stalking the set too.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I feel like that.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So what happened was we were together.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
We met on a play, and then I got PLL
and we were together, and then in between the season,
like going into season one, we broke up.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
It like immediately the day.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
After we break up, he gets an audition for a
role on my show. Okay, he's obviously an incredible actor,
and he knew our amazing casting directors, Bonnie Zane and
Gil Pillsbury, and so he went in knocked it out
of the park and then told them he was like
I really want this role, and they were like okay,
Like okay, sure, And so then he got the role,
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and then he called me and he was like, hey,
I'm going to be on your show, so we should
probably like talk because it I don't want it to
be weird when we're on set together. And then of
course we talk and we end up getting back together,
and then we did not shoot it all together. I
wasn't even on set that day. We never would have
seen each other, but we were back in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Very clearly. We were meant to be, but that was
why I no.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
So he had a role, and I think one of
the fun things about his role too, is that there
was a lot of I think now looking back at
the show, there's a lot of controversy around the Ezra
Aria storyline. You know, it's yes, yes, what's so funny
because it's like, at the time, it was like ezraa forever,
like these two are endgame and they do they end
up getting married. But now several years later, we're like,
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m that was a really not cool relationship. And it
was funny because he was the only character who said
this is not cool, and he was playing like Ezra's
friend and he was just like, you cannot be dating
a high schooler, Like he was the one voice of
reason in.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The entirety of our show.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, so it's like he came from the future to
be like, hmm, I don't know about this.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Okay, So he was in pretty Little Liars.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
He was in pretty Little Liars for one episode and
then he got suits.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, okay, got it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
What is it like working together because I know you guys, yes,
unmarried and then married, have been on sets together collaborating
in film.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yes, So what is it like working with your partner.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
It's a blast. I mean, it is.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
It's so fun because originally, like I you know, like
I told you on our walk, we were seven years
long distance, and so the only time when we would
really get to see each other was when I miraculously
had a day off or he had a day off,
and we'd fly to each other's sets, but usually the
other person would be working. So I spent so much
time hanging out on the suit set, just like sitting
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in a chair just.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Being like, no, honey, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
And and so it was really wonderful because I got
to know the whole cast of suits, and I got
to know the writers and the directors really well from
just like being there. And then they suddenly like had
a role for me, And it was so wonderful because
I was like, wait, now we're guaranteed to spend time
together because we'll be like, you have to work, and
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I'll be there.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
So it was so much fun.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And then since then it's just been a really wonderful different,
you know, kinds of collaboration where we'll have a movie
and suddenly you know, he'll be cast and they'll be like,
well what if you come along? And I'm like, great,
Now we're guaranteed to hang out together, so it's it's
a real joy and it's really fun. The last time
we worked together was on a show in Canada and
(34:07):
we were actually playing like we were having an affair
with each other, which was very funny because he had
like a different wife and I was having an affair
with me.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
What is that like?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I interviewed Henry Golding and we talked about this because
he wasn't an actor before booking Crazy Rigasions, Oh my god.
And I remember him saying it was hard for his
wife because he was She was like, you were never
an actor, and all of a sudden, you're falling in
love on screen. Sure, what is it like seeing your
partner have a romantic relationship on screen?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
You know? I feel very fortunate.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, yeah, what is it like?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Do you want to do you want to talk to that?
You have no problem? Tell me what it's like. You
have no albums together, so we've been together so long.
I'm kind of like, get it, babe, have fun.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
No, that was the perfect question to come in for. Okay,
that's great, great, great.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's what it's like.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
No, honestly, it is like, you know, I think I
think both of us truly understand how awkward love scenes are,
and so the last thing I ever want to do
is provide an additional thing in his head when you're
having to shoot a love scene. You know, I don't
want him to be thinking like, oh, what does Troy
and think about this?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So I've been I feel very confident and no, yeah,
you know what I mean. It's one of the worst things.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
But I can't even dance on camera. So, like the
whole love scene thing is crazy to me.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It is deeply embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
And I will say the funny thing about it is like,
obviously I don't love watching him make out with another
person or have sex with another person. And it's always
really weird because like, you know, you're the most intimate,
like we.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Have two kids together.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah, so it's like super weird when I'm hearing him
kiss and like I'm like, that's that sound is very familiar,
you know what I mean, Or like he'll do like
a little sign and I'm like, I.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Know that side. That's creepy. So it is.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah, they are like weird, you know, intimacies that are
a little bit like tough to swallow, and.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You're like I thought, I thought only I heard that sound.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Literally, and then it's like everybody watch, Oh gosh, yeah, no,
it's likely embarrassing. Yeah, I get I like that. I
like that term deeply embarrassing. That was that would be
how I feel. I'm like, did you watch Aurora Aurora Yura?
And no, no, that's okay, my DA's name is yes,
I do, Okay, did you watch?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I'm so impressed by how she maneuvered that role.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I have never had to do like that kind of
a role, that kind of and so I have so
much respect for that, like so deeply vulnerable and it is,
you know, obviously like for that role. It's so necessary
and her vulnerability and her like also just her dance skills,
(36:38):
her training, like the way she carried herself, like it
is the Brooklyn accent, the Brooklyn accents, learning Russian, like
it's so clear why she won the Academy Award for
Best Actress, Like it's you know it. But it's really
amazing to get to see a character and get to
see somebody because I don't know Mikey personally, but it
would be so interesting to meet her and see who
(37:00):
she is outside of that character, because I bet she's
a totally different person.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We have been filming for so long. Yeah, so I
feel like Spencer and I could talk forever. We talked
about this a little bit before, but Spencer's a scorpio
and I'm a cancer, and they're like the most compatible signs.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
So I really feel like we could talk forever. But
let's wrap up.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
What do you have coming up that you're excited about
that you want us to be on the lookout for.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Oh my gosh, Well, if you haven't seen on Call
on Amazon, please watch it. It's so much fun and
we had so much fun making it, and so we're
really looking forward to Fingers Crossed A Season two and
getting back into work because I love all of those
people and I love the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
It was just such a different world to film in.
And then what do I have coming up?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Like you said, I'm a writer, so I'm just constantly
writing and trying to create my own things, and so
I can't wait to hopefully have some good news in
that sphere as well.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
And yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I love it so much. Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Thank you for being so much, Thanks for coming to
my house. I really appreciate it. M.
Host
Kate Mackz
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