June 8, 2020 • 64 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Side Hustlers podcast. I'm your host from
my heart Radio, Carlo Murie. I host the Carla Murray
and Anthony Show weekday mornings on one or six point
one Kiss FM in Seattle, So this podcast is also
my side Hustle. If this is your very first time
joining this podcast, thank you so much. I appreciate you
for being here. This podcast will be different than what
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side Hustlers normally is normally each week and side Hustlers
I talked to someone who is following a passion outside
of their day job, or someone who has turned their
passion their side hustle, into their full time job. And
it's been an incredible journey for these last two and
almost two and a half years, hearing from different people
every week. And if you listen to some episodes earlier
(00:43):
this year, you've learned that I haven't stuck to that
formula because when small business is pivoted during the pandemic,
so did this podcast. I wanted to talk to them,
previous guests about how they were pivoting their business and
what they were doing differently and how people could support them.
And now I'm breaking away from the formula again. This
time it's going to be to educate myself to be
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better and hopefully do the same for you in the process.
The world right now is going through and awakening. There
are protests happening right now as I speak. We're all
coming together to support the black community through the Black
Lives Matter movement, which, in my opinion, the movement has
been around for way too long. It shouldn't have to
(01:27):
be a movement anymore. It should just make sense. We
should all matter equally, but right now we apparently don't.
And this comes off the heels of the murder of
George Floyd. He was in police custody and they've all
been arrested at this point, they've all been arrested when
I'm recording this podcast, And if you're listening right now
as this podcast released, you're probably like, yeah, I know
(01:47):
what's happening. But podcasts are around forever and it could
be two years from now. So I want the context
of this podcast to make sense. So what am I
doing differently this episode. Well, first of all, I have
never been more nervous to record an episode of Side
Hustlers than I was today, and we'll get into that
in this episode. I brought back two former guests of
Side Hustlers, Shanika from Cake Colonels and Keita from Successfully,
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as black women who owned businesses, I wanted to hear
from them on what it's like specifically as a black
female owning a business, and that was something we didn't
talk about in their previous episodes, but we talked about
that and so much more in this episode. And I'm
incredibly proud of this episode, more proud than any episode
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of Side Hustlers I've ever had before. And I have
these two women to thank for that. We have those
uncomfortable conversations that everyone needs to be having right now,
and they call me out when necessary and I need that.
We all need that. So Keita and Shanika, I love
you both, and I love you for doing this with
me because I know it was not easy for the
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two of you. And moving forward, I will be a
part of the change with this podcast and with anything
else that I have, my social media, my morning show,
all of it. I will be a part of the change.
I'll be more conscious of the guests on this podcast.
I'll be more deliberate with the questions that I asked
them to get the real story behind their business, and
I hope you can learn from this episode because I
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know I did for a lot of people. You know,
why are you way? Do you know what you want
to do? And this is something you want to do?
You talk about do it. I'm a hustles side side hustle.
Do it. I'm a hustle h do it. I'm a
hustlesde come on, ask about me, yo yo. It's the
side hustless podcast. We call a the Root. So this
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week I am scrapping normal programming and doing an episode
that I am unbelievably excited to share. So I am
joined by Keita, who is based here in Washington. Hello,
Kita Hi. And then on the other side of the
country in Raleigh, North Carolina, we've got Shanika Hi. Shanika Hello.
And if you're listening right now, you know these two.
(04:01):
They've been on the podcast before. Kita has successfully. She
is a professional butt kicker, as she says, and I
agree completely. You are an elite accountability practice. That's what
successfully is and you are the founder and chief strategists.
Did I get it right? Because I don't? Okay, all right?
(04:21):
And Shanika, you are part of my problem of trying
to stay healthy and fit. But you have a gourmet,
untraditional popcorn company and you started that much later in life,
which I love so much about your episode that that
you shared that that you were like, you know what,
why not follow my passion now? And you've got some
updates that I want to get to too in this UM.
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But the reason I'm doing this episode with the two
of you and people are listening. If you just put
on this episode, you may not realize this. I see
them both. I know that they are two beautiful black women,
and thank you guys for being here during this time.
I cannot even imagine what you've experienced your life, let
alone this last week two weeks. So I do want
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to start off with each of you kind of explaining
what you're feeling right now. As we're recording this, I'll
share a little bit of personal information about myself as well.
Five years ago, my oldest son, Lavonte Travn Bihicle was
actually killed by police brutality. So what I'm feeling right
now is anger. It is said that the outrage has
to happen to see another black man be killed, and
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I feel like the reason why there's so much outrage
because they finally see what we've been seeing for hundreds
of years. So to me, I'm angry. I try to
separate my business from my personal life. I said, I
could no longer do that for my son's life, for
my daughter's life, or my mom, my nephew, for just
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my people, I can no longer do that. So this
is a little bit more personal to me because I
experienced it. I had, unfortunately had to see him get killed.
So I'm still angry for people who don't understand it.
I am hopeful because we have never seen this type
of people coming together for our calls. Depending on what
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day it is, you picked me on a good day,
so I'm hopeful. Yesterday it was an angry day, especially
when you have to see his name being months sold
names and you were You're not prepared for it. I
have to basically make sure I'm on my social media
place because I still have to run a business. I
still have I haven't nine up five jobs, I still
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have to go to work. I have to make sure
that nothing's tuggering me. I get Google alerts for his name,
so I've been getting a lot of Google alerts. And
one other thing that angers me is people don't reach
out and get the story. They're using his name while
the story and every person that has been killed by
police brutality and this type of way has a story.
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Every family has a story. There were some one loved ones.
They were your coworkers or dad, your brother, your you know,
he left too gorgeous shirt, and so I'm blessed to
have that. But for me it's very personal. My husband
is six too, he's a tall, big black man. I
worried for him. My youngest son has down syndrome and
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he sometimes it's hard for him to explain things. But
also now I'm worried for my daughters because now they're
coming in the house and killing us. Well, have no explanation.
So yeah, I'm angry. That's that's yeah anymore I'm angry. No,
and you have every right to be. But I had
no idea any of the any of the words you
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just said. I had no idea about you and you
and I have spoken for about forty minutes in the
past in a conversation, and the fact that I, as
a human, didn't dive into that part of your life
is part of the problem, I think, And that's why
we're doing this to be better. I am unbelievd lobally
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sorry for your loss, what you experienced and and what
you're bringing up now about people using your son's name
and not knowing the story. I think that's the first
time I've heard that from anyone, and I think that's
a very important takeaway in this conversation. And I do
want people to learn his story and say his name
and know the story. And I will put his name
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in the description of this podcast so people can learn better.
So so thank you for that. You you shocked me
with that story. And no, do not do not apologize. Yeah,
I want to hug you. Yeah, it's I try not to.
If you go on my social media page, let's post
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that's him. And you know there's been some people content
me where you're gonna lose business what you're not for me,
I don't care anymore. This is not about money. This
is about something I've been fighting. I've finally been fighting
for his justice for five years and we will still fighting.
I um And I hate to say like I feel
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for his family because people I keep sharing this video
over and over again. I have to wake up and
see my son get killed. In my mind every single day,
and by the grace of the God above and my
family and my friends and my loved ones, I am here.
I'll be I'm able to talk. So I think I
understand the movement, but sometimes I feel like that media
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is not getting to the point of it. That's just
gorgeous black lady in front of me. She knows what
I'm talking about. She knows the pain. She I don't
know about her personal life, but she can know that
uneasy feeling that you have in situations. So thank you
for getting us the opportunity to talk about this, because
I think it's time for people to um be quiet
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and listen. You know. That's why I definitely think it's
time for people to do absolutely and and again that
is why we're here today, and I want to do that.
And I'm glad that the people who listen this podcasts
are people who want to support and that's why they
let and I'm so glad to give them another way
to support through your help. So thank you for being here,
Thank you for being honest. Kita, what to that point,
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what are you feeling like today? Well, first, I want
to acknowledge you're allowed to do that. You your family
is in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you, and I
and I know that we are doing what we're called
to do. This is what we're called to do, and
there is an opportunity to create change through the businesses
that we're running. And so so I you, you will,
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you will be in my heart and be on my
my prayers, and um, I cannot imagine your loss. So
I want to first set their arms around you. I'm
giving I feel so honestly, from from my perspective, I
don't know how to feel right now. It has been
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a range of emotions where like, finally we are seen
and we are being heard. This has been going on.
Racism is as American as apple pie. America has been
built on racism. This is systemic. And where I got
very frustrated was that I don't have the answers, Like
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I don't have the answers to fix a broken system.
I don't have the answers. And I was describing this
to one of my friends that it's like we as
a country are naked right now. We are naked, and
that we can't the things that we were pretending we're
not happening, the things that we were trying to overlook
it's all out there now, like whatever coronavirus didn't show us.
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Now this recent awakening around race in America, we are naked,
and we are naked and uncomfortable like that you have
to do something about it. We cannot pretend anymore. I
have this like wave of emotion where I feel like anger, despair.
Then I'm like get to work and it's this this
roller coaster ride for me, and I think the thing
that has been more frustrating, like I get lot of
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inbounds like this is this is what I do for
a living. You know, I'm running a practice that you know,
we're we're in scale mode now, you know, like I
have global clients. This is this is not a cute
little thing anymore, and so like how do we address
this on our platform? Where do we show up? And
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some of the inbound stuff has been additional emotional labor
where it's like I want you to help me understand this,
and they're like, yeah, just how you figured out how
to make sour dough bread during quarantine? You can do
that same you get you Google, you can educate yourself.
(12:44):
You learn how to make bread, but like not to
make night of this, but like people are posting sour
dough bread. When was the last time you made bread?
Like before the quarantine, did you ever met homemade bread? Never?
Once a week now right, so, and it's good bread,
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like I have learned to bake bread. Right, So, not
to make light of the situation, but like just that,
like but like the same way you went down the
Google rabbit hole to educate yourself or how to bake
bread at home, you could use that same energy to
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educate yourself rather than reaching out to the few black
people in your network and asking them to do that
labor for you. And so this is how I need
to share my story on how I how I was
part of that problem, and I want to do that.
I'm glad you brought it up. Last Saturday. I woke
up and was like, I need to do something, but
I don't know what. I don't want to do the
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wrong thing, and and that's part of the problem. Why
where do we start? So I reached out to a
friend from college, Almah, and I said, also a black woman.
I said, please help me. I don't know what to do.
I don't want to do the wrong thing. I have
this platform, I have a voice, and I didn't know
that I needed to use it for this and that's
part of the problem. And she came back with me
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with a whole bunch of stuff and she said, you
have your podcast, so many of these amazing charities that
support the black community, our side hustles, you should reach
out to them. And I was like, you're right, and
then went on her Instagram and she literally had a
post that was like, don't ask your black friends what
to do right now. They're tired. And I was like fuck.
And then I talked like, oh, come on, you know
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and then I was like, you know what, I'm so
glad I learned this as early on as I could
in all of this. And I was like, I'm not.
I'm part of the Oh my god. So it is
a learning process. And I'm so glad that that you
are saying that though, And I'm glad you're speaking up
about it, because I wouldn't have known if she didn't
tell me if I need to say that. So so
thank you to people like Amma and you guys for
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doing that. Um with that, she and I started a
conversation about side hustles in general, because I said, oh,
I thought about side hustlers and I said, oh, you know,
wait a minute, maybe the side hustle as as itself,
is a privilege because I started looking at my list
of people who have been on the podcast, and I
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was like, I've had a lot of white women. And
when I started having so many women period on the podcast,
I was like, I need to have men. Why are there?
Why are there not men? Never did I ever think
why are there no black women or black men? Immediately
I knew that there was a problem. There were no men,
and right there, it's wrong that I didn't notice the
other problem that was happening with my podcast until now.
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And I'm glad I noticed period, but it should have
been noticed sooner. So I started coming up with this idea,
is a side hustle a privilege to be able to say, well,
my career is going so well that I can take
this time to start something else, to follow a passion
when what are all the things stacked up against the
black community that they can't you know, sometimes their second
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job is just so that they and feed their kids.
Not it's not a side hustle, that's just their life.
And that is something I want to talk to you
guys about. As black women who did have a side hustling. Currently,
side hustling is that something that you can support or
believe in that a side hustle alone is a privilege.
I think the way that I would frame this, and
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I can only speak from my experience. I can't speak
for the entire black community folks in the United States.
I can't speak for that. But what I can speak
for is my experiences as a Black woman in corporate America.
With a degree from Northwestern and all the pedigree that
you can handle, the ceiling got very low for me
very quickly. There was no pathway to CEO. I had
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to create it. And what I am seeing more with
my friends who are like hitting that level of leadership
where you not only need a mentor, but you need
an advocate to go behind being those closed doors meetings
and say this is who needs this promotion. We're starting
to transition out of corporate and start our own businesses
because we're stuck at manager. We're not getting that the
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promotion into leadership. And so I'm the CEEO now, well,
actually I don't get a promotion to CEO until we
had a million dollars in revenue. And so to hear
like what my friends who are still in corporate are
experiencing where they're getting the whole conversation of we're gonna
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pay you this, but we can't give you that title,
but you're getting paid like that, But the title impacts
your level of influence. That also impacts your next step
and your earning potential. Right, And so you know, my
side hustle that has turned into my full time job
and has turned into my big vision that is turning
into my legacy. I transitioned out out of necessity. There
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was nowhere else for me to go. It was lateral lateral, lateral,
lateral lateral. And oh yeah, continue to experience micro aggressions
in the office every day, and you know what I
experienced working for myself. Yeah, there there are some days
where I get some funky stuff, but it's not daily
assaults on my blackness. Like if I'm choppered in, if
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an organization hires me and I'm choppered in to do something,
I'm a special guest, you know, and I am hired
directly because of my expertise. So it has been a
really interesting experience in that, you know, the idea of
working for organization until it was time to retire. Was
was not something I could see myself doing or be
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there being space for it. That never even crossed my
mind that you had a side hustle out of necessity.
And that's a whole another world to go about in Janika,
as someone who who is currently still working a full
time job and having a side hustle. What is your
take on what Keeter just said? My take on it is,
And you know, I listened to your podcast and it
was a thing here and I'm speaking from myself that
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as I'm not speaking for all the black people of
America in the world. So here's the thing I said.
That was a thing where I have three kids, I
have a husband, We're a hard working family. I can't
go off of faith that my business is gonna work.
I hear this common theme where you go, I just
went off on faith and I had the power and
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have this and I had a s I can't do that.
I can't because I still have kids to take care of.
And even though I have this dream and I have
this passion, I would love to leave my nice corporate
job to do that, I cannot do that because also
I live in North Carolina. My field is a different
type of service. It's food. So people may not hire
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me if they know I'm black. People may not hire
me if they know then first they may not hire me.
I may not go in the room because I'm a woman.
I definitely may not go in the room because I'm
a black woman. So I have a different take on
it because I hear a lot of people who are
working for themselves for are their own CEOs, Like I
had to go on faith. The real reality the most
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families out here or are not able to work for
the self because they're not being paid enough to go
on faith. It's very hard because I always say, you
to pay chicks away for being poor or out of
the house, and we just recently learned that as so
for everybody, for everybody. So think about it if you're
black and you already have things going against you. With
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my popcorn, everybody loves my popcorn. But I had as
a businesswoman, I had to sit down and say, am
I gonna show my face? It was one of my
questions for you because I went to your about page
today and I didn't notice that you were your face?
Was there your name? I didn't see anything. I quickly
seemed it and it was one of the questions that
I wanted to ask you, and I didn't. I didn't
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know how to ask. I didn't want to say, do
you hide behind your business, because that's that doesn't seem
like the right way to say it. But the oldest
nikka yes, of course, of course, because I want to
make money. Um. Sometimes corporations will not hire me because
I am black. I'm not in there as a special guest.
I'm in an as a service for your employees. When
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you're working around a service community where your competitors are
people of privilege that are able to get investors, are
able to walk in the rooms and get doors open
to you, it's who you know in this world. For me,
you have to have the right You have to know
the right people, the right situations. You have to get
that right information. The hi I got this part is
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by nothing but true grits. Nothing was handed to me.
Nothing was like, well, hey, I know, I know a
girl over here that can help you out. No, it's
true grit and advertisement. So that's how my our businesses,
where we do festivals and stuff, we do encounter racism.
She's very often because you can see people walk by
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and you can just know. You just know that, you
just know that actually makes me sick. And I want
you to know that that I promised to do everything
I can with my platform to teach everything you just
said and not to and get your voice out there,
because in my mind I was like, people don't. People
don't still do that because they're they're scared of being
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labeled racist. Like that's what was in my mind. No
one wants to be labeled racist and clearly didn't give fuck,
and oh god, they don't. It's it's getting worser. Actually
it's getting worse. So yeah, I do. I want to
be working my nine to five job and having a
leally sweet shop and k colonels. No, I don't do.
I want to take that leap, but I'm scared of
taking that leap because I got to have made sure
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that I had I need the income go each year
before I can take that. I have to I have
a family that I have the family to take care of.
And that common thread that I heard on your podcast was, well,
we decided to take the lead and pray and you
know whatever fingers Cross doesn't feed your kids. And I'm
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evy and jealous. I'm looking at her like she just
she took the leap, and I'm like, yeah, it hasn't
always been pretty, always been ready I told me understand,
but you know, and and that's great, but also you
have to um always say what about the people who
have I can't tell my kids like, hey, no matter
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how much marketing I do, you know, how matter how
much money I put in my business. For me being
a black woman, and I'm speaking for myself as my experiences,
I need to know the right people in order to succeed.
That's just simple. That's the way it is. I have
great people around me. I'm meeting great people now. I'm
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going out there in the communities. But from my experiences
and from people my expense around other business owners just
outside it is my field. They always have that I
met this person and there you go. So and I
hate to say that, but that's how my world is
right now. No. Well, and a lot of things we're
seeing right now are support these black owned businesses. I'm
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seeing it everywhere and me as do someone doing this podcast,
I'm like, hell, yes, that's awesome. Ghost. That is a
great way to support someone by shopping their business or
following their business So do you guys right now see
that and be like, well, where have you been this
whole time? Why weren't you supporting me before? Try in here.
I turned forty in August, right, and I know I
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don't look at the over twenties. Yes, I'm like, what
there's a lot of blushed happiness. Blushed happiness. So one
of the things that I promised myself I would do
in my forties was to stay hydrated in my my business.
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And when I say my my business, I mean grow
my business, my physical business, but also keep my blinders
on that you know, I'm not getting caught up in
other people's stuff. But also like, my focus right now
is I'm building something, and so like for me to
lift my head up from that and get into the
commentary of where have you been? What about this? That's
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energy that I need to put in to the work
right and I know previous to you know, things coming
completely undone. So we launched the five Days of Focus,
and I had calls with my movers and shakers and
I said, I'm launching this thing. I need you to
share it. I need you to share it. I'm building
this thing. I need you to share it. That was
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my only ask, my only ask because I didn't ask
you to pull out you wallet. I didn't ask you
to you know, I asked for sharing three people out
of the five I spoke to personally that personally, I
scheduled time with you to tell you I'm taking on
this big project. I need your support. Three people, three people,
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and like that that is the point of frustration to me.
Like my ask was simply share it, Like I don't
necessarily need you to lean in, I need to take
this bigger broader, Like it's a ripple effect, right, and
it didn't cast you. Anything you do is push button.
I wrote the copy for you, you know what. That's
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the hard port, right and so like, and so when
people when I'm getting these inbounds, like what can I do?
Share this? This is how you can support share it
with you. And we we have the five Days of
Focus is going on. We are just we just opened
the doors to our new coaching program. There's a lot
of new stuff going on. We rehabbed everything so that
it is timely based on what we're experiencing in the
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crisis of a country we're living in right now. And
so yeah, that part was like, oh wow, I want
those hours back that I spent on the phone personally
calling people, because those are hours I could have been
invested in the business. So anyway, that's my rant. No, no,
and and listen, the ranting is this is rant and rent,
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Mike Drop. I do keep seeing this support these black
owned businesses. I got an alert from uber eats today
that was like, we're waving delivery fees for black owned businesses.
And I'm like, Okay, that's great. You're encouraging people to
shop these businesses because you're waving the delivery fee. But
I feel like something isn't isn't right here? And why
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weren't you doing that before? And that's what I keep
thinking all that you know, you were waving delivery fees
for small businesses. They were doing that UM and door
dash and all those companies who are doing that during
the pandemic for local businesses, small businesses. But why wasn't
this a thing we saw before? And obviously, you know,
the obvious reason is, well, there's an awakening going on.
But Shanika, as a small business owner, like you just said,
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you weren't the face of your brand. You know, people
may not know that they've shopped me before, and you're
a black female, and yeah, there you go. I guess
as someone who's now seen to support black owned businesses,
what is your take on that person apology email from
these corporations block. I don't want your apology. I just
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want your action the dollars. I'm not trying. I need
you to just spend some money. In a way, it's weird,
so weird. It's like I did a post on Lily
Sweet shop. You know what's so funny? Like if you
need to meet up put down a back black business
to support, then that's a problem there. Like you don't
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even have five black businesses that you know of that
you could just put down. What you need me to
help you again? Is helping you need me to help
you create a list of I mean as Google is
a great friend, it's my best friend. Honestly, I understand
the attempt, but I feel like you're it's a point
being missed. It I don't have the answer to. I
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don't know my my brain and my my dumb motion
that I'm all about energy if you don't want to
the energy when I feel see that email, the energy
when I see that post, I even almost side are you.
I was like, here we go, don't so I actually
like you. We don't want to block my top one.
So well, that is something I wanted to bring up,
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and I'm glad. I'm glad you said that. I there's
two parts of this. I keep seeing your black friends
don't want to tell you. It's okay for feeling like
they don't want to tell They don't want to console you.
Your black friends don't want to console you right now
during your apologies. And this is where I've been struggling,
like I want to reach out, I don't know what
to say. So when I reached out to you guys,
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to everyone behind the scenes, I was listening right now.
I reached out to the black women because I haven't
had a single black man on my podcast, and I said,
I apologize for not better representing other black business owners,
and I apologize for not asking you guys what it's
been like as a black female in this country owning
a business. And I think part of that reason was
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because and this is the easiest blanket thing to say,
but I feel like I was raised to not say that.
You don't you don't say, oh, you're a black person,
which I wouldn't just go up to someone and point that.
But I feel like I was uncomfortable asking that question
and it never even came across my mind. And now
I know that that was wrong, and I should have
asked you what it's like for you, because Shanika, like
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you're saying right now, there is so much more than
you just being a popcorn company. There is so much
more A keto there I did not know. We sat
down and we talked for a very long time why
you left Corporate America. And that's the stuff I am
sorry for. But I don't want you to say it's okay,
because it's not. And I want you to know that
(30:30):
I am acknowledging everything I've done wrong and will pivot
moving forward. I wish I did it sooner, and I
don't expect you guys to waste any time apologizing to
anyone at all. And I toyed around with sending that email,
but I was like, I need to do something with
my platform. I don't need to sit here and prove
that I'm not racist by doing this podcast. That's not
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the point of this podcast at all. It's not to
save face at all. It was I need to support
the people I've been supporting, but support them properly. That
was where I was coming from, and if at all
it didn't seem like that, I apologize. That's why I'm
glad I can use words, real words and not just
type to you guys. But all we have been going
what can I do? What can I do? When I
(31:12):
sat there and looked at my list of people who
have been in this podcast, where people of color period,
or people who are just non white females, I was
not proud of this podcast for the first time, not proud,
and I was like, what the funk have you been doing?
You support small business owners, you support them, but you
don't I'm literally feel like I'm in a therapy session
(31:33):
right now. And that is the opposite of what we're
supposed to be doing. That is the opposite of what
we're saying. But I had this realization. I was like, Okay,
now what do I do? How do I fix this?
Because we have to change moving forward everything we've ever
done as creators on our side of it, we have
to look through things differently now the same way the
pandemic made us. How do how do I operate my
(31:55):
business during the pandemic well, it's like, how do I
operate my business as an anti racist? And I didn't
know that word before these last two weeks, and that's
also wrong. And I am acknowledging that. And I'm now
excited for moving forward in this whole new world that
I'm going to be open to with these amazing business
owners with these amazing stories. But I'm mad at myself
(32:16):
for not having it sooner, because my podcast would have
been way better and Shanika would have been able to
relate to the people as she's listening to them way
better because Keitha. I don't know if you know this,
but Shanika found my podcast. She didn't even know I
had a radio show. She didn't know anything about me.
She listened to my podcast as a listener and reached
out to me. And I was like, wait when you
(32:37):
told me that? And you obviously weren't represented by the
guests on my podcast, so when you were listening at all,
were you Like damn, she's had a lot of white
people on here. Every week. I say it, a little
pepper in your in your podcast. I can't, hey, the personality,
you need a little pepper in your podcast just this show, Like, Hey,
(32:59):
we could, we could and rate some small business. If
we've got some great minds over here, we do all
this stuff and just will take your point on what
k was saying, like, I'm just I can't in order
for me to move forward. The reason why the creation
happened of Kate Kearns wasn't it to my son. It
helped me get out of depression and help with the
anxiety recently a month ago, because I was everywhere because
(33:20):
I mentally didn't take care of myself. I was not
I was not well. So I just had to put
the blinders on. And I just started doing that last
when she said itself, because I just had to put
the blindness on, like I don't care what anybody else
is doing. I don't care what anybody else is saying.
I know this can be a multimillion dollar business, like
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a multimillion dollar US it will be. So you see
that I just stopped caring. If you can tell both
my post someone running the way I didn't want to
run in. I'm not gonna run away. I think it
should be run. I ran trying to talk correctly today.
Um but you know so, And that's the resonated so
well because I just put the binders on, because if
you don't put the blinders one after you said the
(34:04):
blind is out, so much stuff hits you. I'm like, Nope,
no blinders. I don't care anymore. Let's go keep telling myself.
They think skinny pop is great way. So that takes
cake colonels, that is I just yes, that's my motivation
in my head every time I'm doing something wrong, like
it's ok, they think skinny pop great way to the cakes,
kke colonels. So but yeah, no, yeah, And I obviously
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fully support that. And I am so proud of you
for being able to now run your business the way
you want to, which is the right way. The way
you want to run your business is the right way
as long as you're not harming anyone in the process,
you're running your business the right way. And I know
you're not doing that, so I try not know. I mean, listen,
you're fine. If someone chokes on popcorn, that's their own problem,
(34:48):
not yours. They were eating too fast. It happened. But China,
you recently did, and as recently as was it yesterday,
haven't amazing accomplishment? You said Friday? So yesterday was Friday. Yeah,
you had I don't know days an amazing accomplishment for
your business, which is is new since the last time
(35:10):
we talked to you. So talk about what you just did.
So excited and I am so in shock and everything else.
We actually just find at least to our own office.
Oh my god. So we had where we can pick up,
we can have consertations where I can make my creations,
where people it's not an open retail store, but it's
(35:32):
my little space where people can sit down if they
want samples that can come by appointment only. Its Corona
season COVID nineteen. It's oh wow, I'm it's so new.
I'm reading the process of decorating it and I would
never thought, like last year, I would never thought that
obvious saying, oh my god, I have a sign that
(35:55):
says really sweep shop Kate colonels on it and people
can come in and it's my own little baby. Oh.
I'm just it's so new. I wish I could stand
intelligence talking. So I'm just my brain is just like,
what did we do when I did signed the least
of the hell did you just do? Now I'm like,
(36:17):
got this, So I'm very excited. Just never in my
life when I thought about I'm so excited. But when
you were on the podcast talking about k colonels and
everything you guys were doing, you that is something you
were like, I wish one day to have this. You did,
You've had this dream you have and it's actually happening.
It's incredible. It's incredible because it's a couple of situations
(36:38):
fell through, like it just wasn't the right fit. You
just know when things are not the right fit. And
it wasn't the right fit. And then I just said, no,
let me see if they out of space and they
were like yeah, and we and I fell in love instantly.
I wear my heart on my sleeve. My husband, he's
the one, you know, he's you know, we're gonna do
what we need to do. And I were like, say
(36:59):
it so and he was I like, what do I
gotta do it? He said, what's yours? If you want it?
And it's the greatest. My kids, my oldest are like,
I'm so proud of you. And it's just like when
that happens, when your kids say that they're proud of
you because we've been doing um this journey for two
thousand and fourteen. Actually a couple of months ago, I
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was like, I'm gonna give up. I can't keep on fighting.
It feels like I'm fighting and five self back and
I was like, oh, my gosh, situations that would work
out where Um, I'm just going through all the stuff
that went home for the last six months, and so
now to actually know where I can have my stuff
and call my own I have a key. That's to
know it's possible gives me more confident. Is it ever
(37:42):
that's gonna work out? Like we're already starting our own
printing for our backs where it would be, Um, we
already have designs and stuff printed out where we can
just this is gonna be wonderful and so excited about
the new things is coming. I'm excited for you. I
can't wait to see it. For people who didn't listen
to your original episode, you keep saying, leally use big
Shop or really to explain shop, Yeah, okay, I'm a
(38:04):
little crazy. So pretty much what happens is literally sweet
Shop is the bakery side. I mean, so I have
literally sweet shopping. I have Kate Colonels Lially sweet Shop
is bite sizes or we do um dessert bars, cupcakes,
sugar cookies all that type of stuff. Ke Parnels came
out of just doing a holiday's show and we started
up Kate Colonels. Will Carrara up popcorn, I don't laugh,
(38:25):
savory popcorn, and so we decided to make a dessert
inspired popcorn. So that's how when you keep I hear
really sweet shop and Kate Colonels, that's about two babies.
So yeah, two babies among your actual babies that you
have and your shop. Yeah, big, well, I I want
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to come visit when when it's like safe to travel again.
I want to come visit. I want to come see
what you've created. I I and I can't wait. And
I hope people when they are visiting Raleig go find
you and go into your your your your big shop,
your studio and test out whatever they can and when
it's safe obviously, and continue to support online. By the way,
it's k Colonels dot com. Keita, you your business is
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obviously completely different than and then what Shanika does. You
are one on one with so many people, so many
women day to day when you're working with white females
in corporate America versus black females in corporate America. Are
you going about their program? They're they're coaching program differently
(39:27):
for by one on one clients that it's highly personalized.
So we address whatever needs we need to address on
one on one. UH. In our group coaching, we do
our best to to to coach the group and understand
that we are coming to it with different perspectives. I think,
you know, my sweet spot continues to be goal setting
and accountability and that transcends race, gender, create all like
(39:52):
it is. There are some principles of you know, being
clear about what you want, breaking that down at the steps,
and executing right. So yeah, I would say that we
customize as needed when those things come up, because I'm
definitely with with my my black women clients, we we've
had to have the conversation of you know, okay, what's
really going on here, and we've had to have that
(40:12):
relatable conversation. And even with my my clients that are
white women, you know, there are some tough conversations this
week because like suddenly they were well how are you doing?
In a list of like, no, you actually don't want
that right now, I'm your coach. Yeah, but they might
need they might and there's that that side of it
(40:33):
where I think you are in such an amazing position
were not only will you help people with their goals
and their accountability, but as humans, you can better help them,
better help their again that word help, but just be
better people with their coworkers and help their coworkers with
their goals and their accountability in ways that they didn't
(40:53):
understand before. And again, those tough conversations are the conversations
that you need to have, the conversation that we're having
right now. I have never been more nervous than for
a podcast, even my live episode, than when we were
about to start this one. And I was like, I
want to do right by them because they deserve it
and they've earned it, and way more than today, way
more than these last two weeks. On the flip side,
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I was really nervous as well as someone who you know,
I do a lot of I do this, you know,
like I talk all the time. You have you have
a headset with the microphone, like you're a gamer. I
know you do, go live, I do things, and so
it was and similar to I felt the same nervous
energy on Monday because we were launching the five Days
of Focus and it was like we're coming off of
(41:34):
this crazy weekend. We've been planning for this thing for weeks.
Do we cancel? Do we cancel it? What do I say?
I do not have the answers to dismantle, you know,
institutionalized racism. I don't have it. I ain't got it.
I don't have I don't have the power point, I
don't have the plea. Don't have it. Right, So, yeah,
(41:55):
that was just kind of the even today, like I wrote, no,
so like, I want to make sure that I cover
these things because I want to make sure that you
know I'm not coming across as so angry that I'm unreasonable,
right of course, because no one wants to hire an
angry coat. I mean well, and I and to that,
(42:19):
I went into this like, well, I don't want to
sound like help me. I didn't want to sound like
that because that's not what I want. I want to
help you guys. And the same thing, And these are
the conversations that I people listen and be like, I
need to have the same conversation. Well, like one of
the things that I've been trying and I talked about
this quite a bit in my in the coaching arena
(42:39):
of like change is hard, change is uncomfortable, right, and
so we all have to give ourselves grace in space.
You know, like I don't always have the right words
or I feel like I'm stumbling my way through this,
and so like grace and space. Yeah, take your lumps.
It's a learning, it's a learning situation. Are gonna be
(43:00):
times where you step all the way in the ship.
You're gonna they're gonna be where you are ankle deep
in the ship, and you guess what all all in it? Like,
if there's anything entrepreneurship has taught me is that I
failed multiple times a week. Well, I jack something up.
(43:22):
I have never failed so much in my life and
still managed to get it away. Its so so grace
in space that this you know, you're not gonna wake
up and have all the answers, None of us, nobody,
and so like, yeah, we're gonna stumble through it. Yeah
it's gonna be hard, but like, okay, I didn't do
that really, well, what can I do better next time?
(43:45):
And so thank you for your transparency that this was
challenging for you. I wanted you to know it was
challenging for me too, because this is the stuff I
wanted to say all week and I just didn't have
the time. You know, I don't have a platform and
go on Kate Carnel to just say everything I just
said is like, what is scoring well to get your
(44:14):
goal done? But while you're added, we'll listen. I'm glad
that we that you have this place to do that.
And I am gonna blast this out as much as
I can and to that. And this is what something
we're mentioning earlier about people saying support um black owns businesses. Now,
(44:34):
if I'm posting me, i am a white, blonde female.
I even have some pink in my hair right now.
If I'm up there on Instagram saying go support these
two amazing women. They are doing amazing things and blah
blah blah, and I say everything I just said about
how I fucked up with my podcast not doing this right?
Is that the right thing? Or do you look at
(44:54):
that and be like, no, you're not doing it right.
And I'm genuinely asking you guys and alive on this podcast,
how do I properly share this podcast with people? I
think focus on the future. Focus on the future, because
going I didn't do this, I didn't do that I
didn't do that it is if it comes across as
white guilt, right, And so focusing on the future, I
(45:17):
want to in the future with my podcast continue to
amplify voices, voices of women of color, voices of you know,
just a really tight sentence on what you're going to
do in the future. I think all of the I
didn't do this well in the past, that I'm not
here to assuade your guilt, you know, And so that
(45:39):
would be I leave that part out. And I've had
I have a realization that I need to support all
women business owners. And here's the man by the way
to find boys and fine boys are allowed. But like
we all have gotten it wrong self included, we've all
(46:01):
gotten it wrong. So like let's talk about the future.
I actually came up with an acronym. Of course you did.
Of course I did, like three points. I like three points,
so I call it opt. So the first part on
your own education, so that don't don't you know, putting
that burden to explain it to me? How can I
be a better white person? Funnily, I just did. I literally,
(46:26):
for the record, I literally just asked you guys to
help me, like and as we always do, we help blackness.
You should have literally just said, figure out how to
post your own fucking podcast on Instagram is what I
wish you'd say. You know, one day I will today.
(46:50):
This is a safe space. You're Carla Marie. There are
other folks. I'm like dead silence. I ain't got nothing
on your action. There are resources you can google it.
There are you know, there's a lot of posts on
on the interwebs right now with reading material. There's a
um it was an Issioma Olu is based here in Seattle.
(47:11):
She wrote the New York Times bestseller So you want
to talk about race, go ahead, get a copy Boom.
Put your money where your mouth is. That's the that's
the where anyone who can't see this Shanika is doing.
You know, the standard money k K colonels dot com,
Go buy popcorn, no need to organizations that support that
(47:31):
are supporting the effort and support black owned businesses. And
if you can't find any, you can go to websites
the like the Intentional List which is also based here,
and Ye Laura Kleee and find you some businesses to support.
But like, put your money where your mouth is. If
you really want to create change. Cash is king, So
find some businesses owned by uh black folks, and go
(47:54):
ahead and buy stuff. And then the last part of
my opt is the T and the T is turned
up to vote, y, turn up to vote yeah. I
And one of the things like when I'm I'm watching
all of the protests and and and and all of
the organization that's going on right now, I hope the
(48:14):
voting polls look like this. I hope they have a
long line for the sake of humanity period that. So
that's that's my opt. You come with an acronym to
this podcast, How in the world go behind? Just give
him what? I knew she was going to be a
(48:36):
problem when I saw Instagram. I knew she She's gonna
be a problem. My sister problem. What you know, she
said it all. She I don't even know why she
(48:58):
asked me to tag in. We said it all. I
always say, and this is I just said, you know,
leave from the heart. If you know it doesn't feel right,
then don't do it like that. Definitely. I always say excuses, Um,
that's the big thing in my house, So don't give
me excuses. You sunked up. Let's say you talked up. Um.
(49:21):
I don't say fun up to my kids, but that's
what I'm thinking in my head, like anybody in in
my life, just to say it and figure out what
you're gonna do in the future. So you can't suck up,
you know, because we're watching now watching Oh yeah, accountability.
We were We were watching before, you just didn't know.
We're really watching now. So that's the whole You're just
(49:42):
inside for the kitchen talk as I call it. It's
the kitchen talk. You're just inside for it because now
we're really watching. And when people are like, you know,
I want to support more. I want to support more. Okay,
I want to see because in my industry, wedding industries,
there's a lot of vendorless and stuff we'll see and
I always say, okay, we'll see. I sit back and
(50:02):
look because the best thing to do is be quiet
and watch and see what's gonna happen in the more,
what what changes are gonna be made. So that's one
of the things. Also a vote that's like, um, we
always pigging it back off of my my um loss
on my son. The reason why we the DA is
no longer in there because we may sure that he
was no longer there. We voted to make sure the
(50:23):
police cheat is no longer there because or our voices.
You know, certain things and policies are gonna need to
be happen in order for them to change as well.
This is great. I'm glad people are protesting. But what
I need you to do is being your city council,
be at the voting poles. Learn your candidate. Just because
your candidate is a Republican Democrat does not mean there
for you. You need to make sure that they're addressing
(50:46):
the issues that you feel strongly about. That is like
we just go, Okay, I'm anna vote who you're voting for.
We have no clue when you're voting for. So I've
definitely researched as research. Yes, and I'm being crazy. I'm
not gonna do a point, you know, I don't want so. Right, Well,
one of the things I think we've all learned this year,
(51:07):
between the pandemic and and the protests and the awakening
and everything, is how much those um local elections count.
I feel like everyone was just kind of pushed those
off when those were actually the most important. And I
myself am also realizing that and I am very interested
to see how that, how that changes and how you
(51:29):
were saying, Shanika that we're watching now, we're looking let's
see if change actually happens a year from now. I
want to have this same convert not the same conversation hopefully,
but I want the three of us to have a
talk and see what changed. I think that would be
very interesting to compare these episodes. And I'm gonna put
it on my calendar so I don't forget, which is
part of my calendar, which is a part of my
(51:51):
organization that um uh Keita has me as my new
goal that I learned from my five days of focus,
which I highly recommend. Another thing I wanted to mention
because everything the two of you just said, I watched
the video earlier, earlier today, there's um this amazing influence Instagram.
Her name is Everle Brooks, and I don't know if
I'm pronouncing it right. There's a lot of eyes and
(52:11):
els that are hard to read when they're all together,
but it looks like it's Averle Brooks. And she said
a lot of what you guys said, and one of
the other things she mentioned was when you're at brunch
with your friends, and you hear friends say something racist,
call them out, and I know that's not I know
that it's very obvious to you guys to say. But
I think in the past, you know obviously you just laugh.
(52:32):
And one of the things she says is that in
your small group of friends, you may think I don't
have a voice. You know, you don't. Who do you have?
You don't have a platform, You're just posting food picks
on Instagram, You've got a hundred followers. You have a voice,
a literal voice, in your friend group. And by doing that,
of like, that's not okay. I'm not okay with you
saying those things. That's not it's not funny anymore, or
(52:54):
actually never was funny. But I'm telling you now that
it's not funny. And if that person doesn't think it's
okay for you to say that, they're a problem and
they shouldn't be in your life. But you did what
you needed to do, and I promised to continue to
do that. I think at this point in my life,
I am very lucky to lucky and unlucky. I'm lucky
(53:15):
to not have those kind of people in my life.
Unlucky that I can't put those people in their place,
So I'm going to continue doing everything I can. I
have a very loud voice literally because of my job,
and I promised to be on the right side of this,
not only because it's the right thing to do, but
I feel it and I want that. I want what's
(53:35):
best for you guys. I've I just am still mad
at myself for not knowing the real backstory of your
your businesses and and Shanika that you I don't think
you told me you started Kate Colonels because it was
because you were coming out of a depression and it
helped you out of that. I don't think I got
that out of you. And and Kee did the same thing,
and going back to you know it was at of necessity,
(53:58):
Like holy sh it. Those are huge things that people
who have side hustles or want to have side hustles
need to hear. And I am going to continue to
do right by you guys and educate myself. And I
am obviously going to still have conversations with you, but
I'm going to do my best to not ask you
for help. I'm not never going to talk to you again,
by the way, I'm still going to be annoying, but
(54:19):
I will do my best to educate myself. And I
can't thank you guys enough. And Keita, you said that
you had notes that you took because you and things
you wanted to make sure you do you talked about today.
What else is on this list that we didn't know?
I got my acronym. I got my acronym done. I
am a problem. Ye. I made my point about grace
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and space and change is hard and uncomfortable. I wanted
to make sure we talked about the five days of focus.
So we have a lot. We've created a Facebook community
where we have put together a challenge to work through
goal setting and accountability. We do it every eight weeks,
so the community is live. Join us on Facebook for that.
The doors are open for my new coaching program, which
is your ninety day Way. We have a whole program
(55:00):
to walk you through that first ninety days of achieving
your goals. Uh. The door is actually closed on June
tenth because we are actually nearing capacity a coaching roster,
so there will be more than one sex successfully in
the coming weeks and months, So you may or may
not talk to Keyta. That was that was all in
my note, Okay, I'm coming for you. Following up with you,
(55:25):
I'm coming for you. Thank you, thank you. We stretched
that vision. No, no, this is a million dollar company.
We're going to it is. And and you said that
to me Shaniko when we recorded the podcast and originally,
and one of Keta's things is write it down and
(55:49):
it's important. I when I took this five days of focus,
writing down and I said this to her when you
were trying to connect earlier. Writing it down this week
made me realize that I couldn't achieve the goal I
wanted to achieve because I had other goals I had
to hit first, and I would have never done that.
And it's as simple as be more organized, which sounds
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so dumb, but I'm a disaster and I'm supposed to
be doing all these amazing things and I'm never going
to succeed by being a disaster. And doing that this
week and following everything Kita did in her five days
of focus was like, okay, one of everything I'm doing
wrong to to kind of push myself to stop myself
from hitting that goal that I actually have, and it
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was amazing to do. And I have this paperwork now
and and I want people to go to success Bully
dot com and and learn from everything Kita has and
everything she's built to make sure she gets that CEO
title that she's she's aiming for. And then go buy
your popcorn and cake colonels dot com. I'm reaching out
(56:52):
for a client, gets so ready, we we got a
order coming your way. I love that. That is amazing.
I just I love you guys so much for being
able to be here and be honest with me and
with the people who listen to this podcast. And I
there are so many episodes on like that was my
favorite episode. No, really this because I'm so excited for
what's going to come of this. And and I love
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you guys for being a part of this side Hustler's
family and and supporting me no matter what, and and
supporting each other. And and thank you, seriously, thank you
so much. I can say a hundred and fifty thousand
times and it won't be enough. Thank you for being
honest and real and sharing the real stuff, the uncomfortable stuff.
I literally am sweating and weird in my belly button
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right now from this pocket. Okay, it's it's possible. And
the weird no, and possibly also because all my windows
are closed to keep the outside down. Yeah, you know,
thank you guys. And if there is anything at all
that you want people to know right now at you
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know what, say it, this is your your time to
say it, because I know you both said you struggled
this week with sharing it anything on your specific business accounts.
This is the time for people to hear. So please,
by any means, go for it. Keita, you can go first,
can go first, whatever you guys want, go first. Thank you, ma'am.
So definitely check us out at kay colonels dot com.
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We're having some great things happening in the next month,
some subscription boxes. They're finally coming through, finally coming through.
But also I can never eat in this note because
I did speak on my my oldest, my beloved son.
He would have been twenty six on May the twenty seven.
This could happen to you. I want to make sure
people realize this. I know I'm laugh our laughter hills
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is soul and that's why I'm always can never be serious,
only too long. But just to know that he was
a father, he was a son, he was my grandson,
he was a nephew. And if you if you searched
his story and we a My sister actually did a
podcast for her podcast earlier today that I'm gonna share. Okay, colonels,
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just search you see the names. You see the names
of I brought us and sisters that were killed researching,
research them. Don't make a split decision when you see
this wonderful lady Keith what. I'm kind of scared because
I want to take over. I want to do culture whereever.
I'm kind of nervous, you know. Just it's I'm rambling
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because I'm full of emotion, because five years have been emotional.
But this week I've been angry, i have been hopeful,
I've been said, I've been depressed, I've been anxiety, and
I'm just tired. I just want to be at peace
and be and know that my kids and my husband
and everybody that I love and my friends are gonna
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be okay. I don't have time for racism. I don't
have time for bising. I need, I need. I want
to leave my job. I want to make a leave
a legacy for my kids. I can't do that if
just if people keep on having race, this racist antide race,
I can't do that. If y'all keep on remaining quiet,
I can't. It's no more possible way. So you're in
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my way. So either you learn how to get out
of my way, I'm gonna move you out of my way.
Simple is that I love it by some k colonels,
yes and colonels, I would just reiterate that give yourself
the grace in space. Change is hard, but if we
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all do nothing, nothing changes. And you know, one of
the things that I teach as a coach is that
it is baby steps. It's small steps daily that move
things forward. And so I am not asking anyone to
to quit their day job and be a full time advocate.
(01:00:55):
I'm asking you to take daily steps to change. That's
what I'm asking you know, Like visit success bully dot com,
check out the five Days of Focus. Uh. If you
need support, you know I will kick your butt. So
your ninety day way is open. Get involved and and
thank you again, Carla Murief for creating this space that
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we can have this, this uncomfortable conversation with one another. Shanika,
I'm ordering my popcornice and this I hang up you.
I'm yes, I'm a little scare, but definitely should I need,
but I need you in my life. I need you
because I feel like I have no or you're gonna
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come and get me. Literally. I have clients that are like,
I did this because I didn't want to tell you
I didn't do it. It's true, this is true. I
feel like you, like people think they know what they're
signing up for and then they're like, oh crap, nice
about it, like bully, It's not like that mean I
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will ask your permission. I'm like, how do you want it?
I need this in hot, mild medium, how do you
want to ask you? I love you, guys, I and
I know um Kita you you thanked me for creating
this space, but this space wouldn't exist without the two
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of you right now, So thank you both for being here.
And I'm excited to see what's next for you guys,
and what for this freaking world and what we're creating now,
and and thank you for letting me be honest and real.
Thank you, thank you, thank you awesome, thank you all,
love you, and thank you, thank you. Thank you so
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much for listening to this podcast, for listening to Shanika
share her story and getting deep and getting personal. And
Keita for sharing her story and so many different things
that these women touched upon in this podcas cast. I
will be eternally grateful for what they did for me personally.
Even if we didn't record this. I would feel the
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same way if I just had the conversation with them.
But I'm even more grateful because it hopefully changed the
way you think, or helped change the way you think,
or help you understand even just a little bit. And
if you can go support these two women, please, by
all means, please please please do that. If you can't
do that right now, I understand, but if you can
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support an organization or a movement or a group, please
also do that. Um I put the links in the
description of this podcast so you can support Shanika. You
can learn about her son, you can listen to the
podcast Shanika did with her sister. You've got all the
information for Keita for successfully and when her next five
days focus is coming up. I highly suggest doing that.
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It helped me a lot this week. So thank you
so much for listening to this podcast. I am going
to do another episode like this with previous guests, so
if you have questions, please reach out to me. It's
the Carla murray On in Instagram or Side Hustler's Podcast
at gmail dot com. Thank you so much for being here.
I always say keep hustling, so keep doing that, but
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be kind and be better, ye,
Welcome to the Side Hustlers podcast. I'm your host from
my heart Radio, Carlo Murie. I host the Carla Murray
and Anthony Show weekday mornings on one or six point
one Kiss FM in Seattle, So this podcast is also
my side Hustle. If this is your very first time
joining this podcast, thank you so much. I appreciate you
for being here. This podcast will be different than what
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side Hustlers normally is normally each week and side Hustlers
I talked to someone who is following a passion outside
of their day job, or someone who has turned their
passion their side hustle, into their full time job. And
it's been an incredible journey for these last two and
almost two and a half years, hearing from different people
every week. And if you listen to some episodes earlier
(00:43):
this year, you've learned that I haven't stuck to that
formula because when small business is pivoted during the pandemic,
so did this podcast. I wanted to talk to them,
previous guests about how they were pivoting their business and
what they were doing differently and how people could support them.
And now I'm breaking away from the formula again. This
time it's going to be to educate myself to be
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better and hopefully do the same for you in the process.
The world right now is going through and awakening. There
are protests happening right now as I speak. We're all
coming together to support the black community through the Black
Lives Matter movement, which, in my opinion, the movement has
been around for way too long. It shouldn't have to
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be a movement anymore. It should just make sense. We
should all matter equally, but right now we apparently don't.
And this comes off the heels of the murder of
George Floyd. He was in police custody and they've all
been arrested at this point, they've all been arrested when
I'm recording this podcast, And if you're listening right now
as this podcast released, you're probably like, yeah, I know
(01:47):
what's happening. But podcasts are around forever and it could
be two years from now. So I want the context
of this podcast to make sense. So what am I
doing differently this episode. Well, first of all, I have
never been more nervous to record an episode of Side
Hustlers than I was today, and we'll get into that
in this episode. I brought back two former guests of
Side Hustlers, Shanika from Cake Colonels and Keita from Successfully,
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as black women who owned businesses, I wanted to hear
from them on what it's like specifically as a black
female owning a business, and that was something we didn't
talk about in their previous episodes, but we talked about
that and so much more in this episode. And I'm
incredibly proud of this episode, more proud than any episode
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of Side Hustlers I've ever had before. And I have
these two women to thank for that. We have those
uncomfortable conversations that everyone needs to be having right now,
and they call me out when necessary and I need that.
We all need that. So Keita and Shanika, I love
you both, and I love you for doing this with
me because I know it was not easy for the
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two of you. And moving forward, I will be a
part of the change with this podcast and with anything
else that I have, my social media, my morning show,
all of it. I will be a part of the change.
I'll be more conscious of the guests on this podcast.
I'll be more deliberate with the questions that I asked
them to get the real story behind their business, and
I hope you can learn from this episode because I
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know I did for a lot of people. You know,
why are you way? Do you know what you want
to do? And this is something you want to do?
You talk about do it. I'm a hustles side side hustle.
Do it. I'm a hustle h do it. I'm a
hustlesde come on, ask about me, yo yo. It's the
side hustless podcast. We call a the Root. So this
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week I am scrapping normal programming and doing an episode
that I am unbelievably excited to share. So I am
joined by Keita, who is based here in Washington. Hello,
Kita Hi. And then on the other side of the
country in Raleigh, North Carolina, we've got Shanika Hi. Shanika Hello.
And if you're listening right now, you know these two.
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They've been on the podcast before. Kita has successfully. She
is a professional butt kicker, as she says, and I
agree completely. You are an elite accountability practice. That's what
successfully is and you are the founder and chief strategists.
Did I get it right? Because I don't? Okay, all right?
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And Shanika, you are part of my problem of trying
to stay healthy and fit. But you have a gourmet,
untraditional popcorn company and you started that much later in life,
which I love so much about your episode that that
you shared that that you were like, you know what,
why not follow my passion now? And you've got some
updates that I want to get to too in this UM.
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But the reason I'm doing this episode with the two
of you and people are listening. If you just put
on this episode, you may not realize this. I see
them both. I know that they are two beautiful black women,
and thank you guys for being here during this time.
I cannot even imagine what you've experienced your life, let
alone this last week two weeks. So I do want
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to start off with each of you kind of explaining
what you're feeling right now. As we're recording this, I'll
share a little bit of personal information about myself as well.
Five years ago, my oldest son, Lavonte Travn Bihicle was
actually killed by police brutality. So what I'm feeling right
now is anger. It is said that the outrage has
to happen to see another black man be killed, and
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I feel like the reason why there's so much outrage
because they finally see what we've been seeing for hundreds
of years. So to me, I'm angry. I try to
separate my business from my personal life. I said, I
could no longer do that for my son's life, for
my daughter's life, or my mom, my nephew, for just
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my people, I can no longer do that. So this
is a little bit more personal to me because I
experienced it. I had, unfortunately had to see him get killed.
So I'm still angry for people who don't understand it.
I am hopeful because we have never seen this type
of people coming together for our calls. Depending on what
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day it is, you picked me on a good day,
so I'm hopeful. Yesterday it was an angry day, especially
when you have to see his name being months sold
names and you were You're not prepared for it. I
have to basically make sure I'm on my social media
place because I still have to run a business. I
still have I haven't nine up five jobs, I still
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have to go to work. I have to make sure
that nothing's tuggering me. I get Google alerts for his name,
so I've been getting a lot of Google alerts. And
one other thing that angers me is people don't reach
out and get the story. They're using his name while
the story and every person that has been killed by
police brutality and this type of way has a story.
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Every family has a story. There were some one loved ones.
They were your coworkers or dad, your brother, your you know,
he left too gorgeous shirt, and so I'm blessed to
have that. But for me it's very personal. My husband
is six too, he's a tall, big black man. I
worried for him. My youngest son has down syndrome and
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he sometimes it's hard for him to explain things. But
also now I'm worried for my daughters because now they're
coming in the house and killing us. Well, have no explanation.
So yeah, I'm angry. That's that's yeah anymore I'm angry. No,
and you have every right to be. But I had
no idea any of the any of the words you
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just said. I had no idea about you and you
and I have spoken for about forty minutes in the
past in a conversation, and the fact that I, as
a human, didn't dive into that part of your life
is part of the problem, I think, And that's why
we're doing this to be better. I am unbelievd lobally
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sorry for your loss, what you experienced and and what
you're bringing up now about people using your son's name
and not knowing the story. I think that's the first
time I've heard that from anyone, and I think that's
a very important takeaway in this conversation. And I do
want people to learn his story and say his name
and know the story. And I will put his name
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in the description of this podcast so people can learn better.
So so thank you for that. You you shocked me
with that story. And no, do not do not apologize. Yeah,
I want to hug you. Yeah, it's I try not to.
If you go on my social media page, let's post
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that's him. And you know there's been some people content
me where you're gonna lose business what you're not for me,
I don't care anymore. This is not about money. This
is about something I've been fighting. I've finally been fighting
for his justice for five years and we will still fighting.
I um And I hate to say like I feel
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for his family because people I keep sharing this video
over and over again. I have to wake up and
see my son get killed. In my mind every single day,
and by the grace of the God above and my
family and my friends and my loved ones, I am here.
I'll be I'm able to talk. So I think I
understand the movement, but sometimes I feel like that media
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is not getting to the point of it. That's just
gorgeous black lady in front of me. She knows what
I'm talking about. She knows the pain. She I don't
know about her personal life, but she can know that
uneasy feeling that you have in situations. So thank you
for getting us the opportunity to talk about this, because
I think it's time for people to um be quiet
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and listen. You know. That's why I definitely think it's
time for people to do absolutely and and again that
is why we're here today, and I want to do that.
And I'm glad that the people who listen this podcasts
are people who want to support and that's why they
let and I'm so glad to give them another way
to support through your help. So thank you for being here,
Thank you for being honest. Kita, what to that point,
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what are you feeling like today? Well, first, I want
to acknowledge you're allowed to do that. You your family
is in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you, and I
and I know that we are doing what we're called
to do. This is what we're called to do, and
there is an opportunity to create change through the businesses
that we're running. And so so I you, you will,
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you will be in my heart and be on my
my prayers, and um, I cannot imagine your loss. So
I want to first set their arms around you. I'm
giving I feel so honestly, from from my perspective, I
don't know how to feel right now. It has been
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a range of emotions where like, finally we are seen
and we are being heard. This has been going on.
Racism is as American as apple pie. America has been
built on racism. This is systemic. And where I got
very frustrated was that I don't have the answers, Like
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I don't have the answers to fix a broken system.
I don't have the answers. And I was describing this
to one of my friends that it's like we as
a country are naked right now. We are naked, and
that we can't the things that we were pretending we're
not happening, the things that we were trying to overlook
it's all out there now, like whatever coronavirus didn't show us.
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Now this recent awakening around race in America, we are naked,
and we are naked and uncomfortable like that you have
to do something about it. We cannot pretend anymore. I
have this like wave of emotion where I feel like anger, despair.
Then I'm like get to work and it's this this
roller coaster ride for me, and I think the thing
that has been more frustrating, like I get lot of
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inbounds like this is this is what I do for
a living. You know, I'm running a practice that you know,
we're we're in scale mode now, you know, like I
have global clients. This is this is not a cute
little thing anymore, and so like how do we address
this on our platform? Where do we show up? And
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some of the inbound stuff has been additional emotional labor
where it's like I want you to help me understand this,
and they're like, yeah, just how you figured out how
to make sour dough bread during quarantine? You can do
that same you get you Google, you can educate yourself.
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You learn how to make bread, but like not to
make night of this, but like people are posting sour
dough bread. When was the last time you made bread?
Like before the quarantine, did you ever met homemade bread? Never?
Once a week now right, so, and it's good bread,
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like I have learned to bake bread. Right, So, not
to make light of the situation, but like just that,
like but like the same way you went down the
Google rabbit hole to educate yourself or how to bake
bread at home, you could use that same energy to
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educate yourself rather than reaching out to the few black
people in your network and asking them to do that
labor for you. And so this is how I need
to share my story on how I how I was
part of that problem, and I want to do that.
I'm glad you brought it up. Last Saturday. I woke
up and was like, I need to do something, but
I don't know what. I don't want to do the
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wrong thing, and and that's part of the problem. Why
where do we start? So I reached out to a
friend from college, Almah, and I said, also a black woman.
I said, please help me. I don't know what to do.
I don't want to do the wrong thing. I have
this platform, I have a voice, and I didn't know
that I needed to use it for this and that's
part of the problem. And she came back with me
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with a whole bunch of stuff and she said, you
have your podcast, so many of these amazing charities that
support the black community, our side hustles, you should reach
out to them. And I was like, you're right, and
then went on her Instagram and she literally had a
post that was like, don't ask your black friends what
to do right now. They're tired. And I was like fuck.
And then I talked like, oh, come on, you know
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and then I was like, you know what, I'm so
glad I learned this as early on as I could
in all of this. And I was like, I'm not.
I'm part of the Oh my god. So it is
a learning process. And I'm so glad that that you
are saying that though, And I'm glad you're speaking up
about it, because I wouldn't have known if she didn't
tell me if I need to say that. So so
thank you to people like Amma and you guys for
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doing that. Um with that, she and I started a
conversation about side hustles in general, because I said, oh,
I thought about side hustlers and I said, oh, you know,
wait a minute, maybe the side hustle as as itself,
is a privilege because I started looking at my list
of people who have been on the podcast, and I
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was like, I've had a lot of white women. And
when I started having so many women period on the podcast,
I was like, I need to have men. Why are there?
Why are there not men? Never did I ever think
why are there no black women or black men? Immediately
I knew that there was a problem. There were no men,
and right there, it's wrong that I didn't notice the
other problem that was happening with my podcast until now.
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And I'm glad I noticed period, but it should have
been noticed sooner. So I started coming up with this idea,
is a side hustle a privilege to be able to say, well,
my career is going so well that I can take
this time to start something else, to follow a passion
when what are all the things stacked up against the
black community that they can't you know, sometimes their second
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job is just so that they and feed their kids.
Not it's not a side hustle, that's just their life.
And that is something I want to talk to you
guys about. As black women who did have a side hustling. Currently,
side hustling is that something that you can support or
believe in that a side hustle alone is a privilege.
I think the way that I would frame this, and
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I can only speak from my experience. I can't speak
for the entire black community folks in the United States.
I can't speak for that. But what I can speak
for is my experiences as a Black woman in corporate America.
With a degree from Northwestern and all the pedigree that
you can handle, the ceiling got very low for me
very quickly. There was no pathway to CEO. I had
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to create it. And what I am seeing more with
my friends who are like hitting that level of leadership
where you not only need a mentor, but you need
an advocate to go behind being those closed doors meetings
and say this is who needs this promotion. We're starting
to transition out of corporate and start our own businesses
because we're stuck at manager. We're not getting that the
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promotion into leadership. And so I'm the CEEO now, well,
actually I don't get a promotion to CEO until we
had a million dollars in revenue. And so to hear
like what my friends who are still in corporate are
experiencing where they're getting the whole conversation of we're gonna
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pay you this, but we can't give you that title,
but you're getting paid like that, But the title impacts
your level of influence. That also impacts your next step
and your earning potential. Right, And so you know, my
side hustle that has turned into my full time job
and has turned into my big vision that is turning
into my legacy. I transitioned out out of necessity. There
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was nowhere else for me to go. It was lateral lateral, lateral,
lateral lateral. And oh yeah, continue to experience micro aggressions
in the office every day, and you know what I
experienced working for myself. Yeah, there there are some days
where I get some funky stuff, but it's not daily
assaults on my blackness. Like if I'm choppered in, if
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an organization hires me and I'm choppered in to do something,
I'm a special guest, you know, and I am hired
directly because of my expertise. So it has been a
really interesting experience in that, you know, the idea of
working for organization until it was time to retire. Was
was not something I could see myself doing or be
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there being space for it. That never even crossed my
mind that you had a side hustle out of necessity.
And that's a whole another world to go about in Janika,
as someone who who is currently still working a full
time job and having a side hustle. What is your
take on what Keeter just said? My take on it is,
And you know, I listened to your podcast and it
was a thing here and I'm speaking from myself that
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as I'm not speaking for all the black people of
America in the world. So here's the thing I said.
That was a thing where I have three kids, I
have a husband, We're a hard working family. I can't
go off of faith that my business is gonna work.
I hear this common theme where you go, I just
went off on faith and I had the power and
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have this and I had a s I can't do that.
I can't because I still have kids to take care of.
And even though I have this dream and I have
this passion, I would love to leave my nice corporate
job to do that, I cannot do that because also
I live in North Carolina. My field is a different
type of service. It's food. So people may not hire
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me if they know I'm black. People may not hire
me if they know then first they may not hire me.
I may not go in the room because I'm a woman.
I definitely may not go in the room because I'm
a black woman. So I have a different take on
it because I hear a lot of people who are
working for themselves for are their own CEOs, Like I
had to go on faith. The real reality the most
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families out here or are not able to work for
the self because they're not being paid enough to go
on faith. It's very hard because I always say, you
to pay chicks away for being poor or out of
the house, and we just recently learned that as so
for everybody, for everybody. So think about it if you're
black and you already have things going against you. With
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my popcorn, everybody loves my popcorn. But I had as
a businesswoman, I had to sit down and say, am
I gonna show my face? It was one of my
questions for you because I went to your about page
today and I didn't notice that you were your face?
Was there your name? I didn't see anything. I quickly
seemed it and it was one of the questions that
I wanted to ask you, and I didn't. I didn't
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know how to ask. I didn't want to say, do
you hide behind your business, because that's that doesn't seem
like the right way to say it. But the oldest
nikka yes, of course, of course, because I want to
make money. Um. Sometimes corporations will not hire me because
I am black. I'm not in there as a special guest.
I'm in an as a service for your employees. When
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you're working around a service community where your competitors are
people of privilege that are able to get investors, are
able to walk in the rooms and get doors open
to you, it's who you know in this world. For me,
you have to have the right You have to know
the right people, the right situations. You have to get
that right information. The hi I got this part is
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by nothing but true grits. Nothing was handed to me.
Nothing was like, well, hey, I know, I know a
girl over here that can help you out. No, it's
true grit and advertisement. So that's how my our businesses,
where we do festivals and stuff, we do encounter racism.
She's very often because you can see people walk by
(21:44):
and you can just know. You just know that, you
just know that actually makes me sick. And I want
you to know that that I promised to do everything
I can with my platform to teach everything you just
said and not to and get your voice out there,
because in my mind I was like, people don't. People
don't still do that because they're they're scared of being
(22:06):
labeled racist. Like that's what was in my mind. No
one wants to be labeled racist and clearly didn't give fuck,
and oh god, they don't. It's it's getting worser. Actually
it's getting worse. So yeah, I do. I want to
be working my nine to five job and having a
leally sweet shop and k colonels. No, I don't do.
I want to take that leap, but I'm scared of
taking that leap because I got to have made sure
(22:28):
that I had I need the income go each year
before I can take that. I have to I have
a family that I have the family to take care of.
And that common thread that I heard on your podcast was, well,
we decided to take the lead and pray and you
know whatever fingers Cross doesn't feed your kids. And I'm
(22:49):
evy and jealous. I'm looking at her like she just
she took the leap, and I'm like, yeah, it hasn't
always been pretty, always been ready I told me understand,
but you know, and and that's great, but also you
have to um always say what about the people who
have I can't tell my kids like, hey, no matter
(23:09):
how much marketing I do, you know, how matter how
much money I put in my business. For me being
a black woman, and I'm speaking for myself as my experiences,
I need to know the right people in order to succeed.
That's just simple. That's the way it is. I have
great people around me. I'm meeting great people now. I'm
(23:30):
going out there in the communities. But from my experiences
and from people my expense around other business owners just
outside it is my field. They always have that I
met this person and there you go. So and I
hate to say that, but that's how my world is
right now. No. Well, and a lot of things we're
seeing right now are support these black owned businesses. I'm
(23:52):
seeing it everywhere and me as do someone doing this podcast,
I'm like, hell, yes, that's awesome. Ghost. That is a
great way to support someone by shopping their business or
following their business So do you guys right now see
that and be like, well, where have you been this
whole time? Why weren't you supporting me before? Try in here.
I turned forty in August, right, and I know I
(24:15):
don't look at the over twenties. Yes, I'm like, what
there's a lot of blushed happiness. Blushed happiness. So one
of the things that I promised myself I would do
in my forties was to stay hydrated in my my business.
(24:35):
And when I say my my business, I mean grow
my business, my physical business, but also keep my blinders
on that you know, I'm not getting caught up in
other people's stuff. But also like, my focus right now
is I'm building something, and so like for me to
lift my head up from that and get into the
commentary of where have you been? What about this? That's
(24:58):
energy that I need to put in to the work
right and I know previous to you know, things coming
completely undone. So we launched the five Days of Focus,
and I had calls with my movers and shakers and
I said, I'm launching this thing. I need you to
share it. I need you to share it. I'm building
this thing. I need you to share it. That was
(25:20):
my only ask, my only ask because I didn't ask
you to pull out you wallet. I didn't ask you
to you know, I asked for sharing three people out
of the five I spoke to personally that personally, I
scheduled time with you to tell you I'm taking on
this big project. I need your support. Three people, three people,
(25:40):
and like that that is the point of frustration to me.
Like my ask was simply share it, Like I don't
necessarily need you to lean in, I need to take
this bigger broader, Like it's a ripple effect, right, and
it didn't cast you. Anything you do is push button.
I wrote the copy for you, you know what. That's
(26:00):
the hard port, right and so like, and so when
people when I'm getting these inbounds, like what can I do?
Share this? This is how you can support share it
with you. And we we have the five Days of
Focus is going on. We are just we just opened
the doors to our new coaching program. There's a lot
of new stuff going on. We rehabbed everything so that
it is timely based on what we're experiencing in the
(26:24):
crisis of a country we're living in right now. And
so yeah, that part was like, oh wow, I want
those hours back that I spent on the phone personally
calling people, because those are hours I could have been
invested in the business. So anyway, that's my rant. No, no,
and and listen, the ranting is this is rant and rent,
(26:50):
Mike Drop. I do keep seeing this support these black
owned businesses. I got an alert from uber eats today
that was like, we're waving delivery fees for black owned businesses.
And I'm like, Okay, that's great. You're encouraging people to
shop these businesses because you're waving the delivery fee. But
I feel like something isn't isn't right here? And why
(27:11):
weren't you doing that before? And that's what I keep
thinking all that you know, you were waving delivery fees
for small businesses. They were doing that UM and door
dash and all those companies who are doing that during
the pandemic for local businesses, small businesses. But why wasn't
this a thing we saw before? And obviously, you know,
the obvious reason is, well, there's an awakening going on.
But Shanika, as a small business owner, like you just said,
(27:33):
you weren't the face of your brand. You know, people
may not know that they've shopped me before, and you're
a black female, and yeah, there you go. I guess
as someone who's now seen to support black owned businesses,
what is your take on that person apology email from
these corporations block. I don't want your apology. I just
(27:58):
want your action the dollars. I'm not trying. I need
you to just spend some money. In a way, it's weird,
so weird. It's like I did a post on Lily
Sweet shop. You know what's so funny? Like if you
need to meet up put down a back black business
to support, then that's a problem there. Like you don't
(28:20):
even have five black businesses that you know of that
you could just put down. What you need me to
help you again? Is helping you need me to help
you create a list of I mean as Google is
a great friend, it's my best friend. Honestly, I understand
the attempt, but I feel like you're it's a point
being missed. It I don't have the answer to. I
(28:41):
don't know my my brain and my my dumb motion
that I'm all about energy if you don't want to
the energy when I feel see that email, the energy
when I see that post, I even almost side are you.
I was like, here we go, don't so I actually
like you. We don't want to block my top one.
So well, that is something I wanted to bring up,
(29:04):
and I'm glad. I'm glad you said that. I there's
two parts of this. I keep seeing your black friends
don't want to tell you. It's okay for feeling like
they don't want to tell They don't want to console you.
Your black friends don't want to console you right now
during your apologies. And this is where I've been struggling,
like I want to reach out, I don't know what
to say. So when I reached out to you guys,
(29:25):
to everyone behind the scenes, I was listening right now.
I reached out to the black women because I haven't
had a single black man on my podcast, and I said,
I apologize for not better representing other black business owners,
and I apologize for not asking you guys what it's
been like as a black female in this country owning
a business. And I think part of that reason was
(29:48):
because and this is the easiest blanket thing to say,
but I feel like I was raised to not say that.
You don't you don't say, oh, you're a black person,
which I wouldn't just go up to someone and point that.
But I feel like I was uncomfortable asking that question
and it never even came across my mind. And now
I know that that was wrong, and I should have
asked you what it's like for you, because Shanika, like
(30:08):
you're saying right now, there is so much more than
you just being a popcorn company. There is so much
more A keto there I did not know. We sat
down and we talked for a very long time why
you left Corporate America. And that's the stuff I am
sorry for. But I don't want you to say it's okay,
because it's not. And I want you to know that
(30:30):
I am acknowledging everything I've done wrong and will pivot
moving forward. I wish I did it sooner, and I
don't expect you guys to waste any time apologizing to
anyone at all. And I toyed around with sending that email,
but I was like, I need to do something with
my platform. I don't need to sit here and prove
that I'm not racist by doing this podcast. That's not
(30:52):
the point of this podcast at all. It's not to
save face at all. It was I need to support
the people I've been supporting, but support them properly. That
was where I was coming from, and if at all
it didn't seem like that, I apologize. That's why I'm
glad I can use words, real words and not just
type to you guys. But all we have been going
what can I do? What can I do? When I
(31:12):
sat there and looked at my list of people who
have been in this podcast, where people of color period,
or people who are just non white females, I was
not proud of this podcast for the first time, not proud,
and I was like, what the funk have you been doing?
You support small business owners, you support them, but you
don't I'm literally feel like I'm in a therapy session
(31:33):
right now. And that is the opposite of what we're
supposed to be doing. That is the opposite of what
we're saying. But I had this realization. I was like, Okay,
now what do I do? How do I fix this?
Because we have to change moving forward everything we've ever
done as creators on our side of it, we have
to look through things differently now the same way the
pandemic made us. How do how do I operate my
(31:55):
business during the pandemic well, it's like, how do I
operate my business as an anti racist? And I didn't
know that word before these last two weeks, and that's
also wrong. And I am acknowledging that. And I'm now
excited for moving forward in this whole new world that
I'm going to be open to with these amazing business
owners with these amazing stories. But I'm mad at myself
(32:16):
for not having it sooner, because my podcast would have
been way better and Shanika would have been able to
relate to the people as she's listening to them way
better because Keitha. I don't know if you know this,
but Shanika found my podcast. She didn't even know I
had a radio show. She didn't know anything about me.
She listened to my podcast as a listener and reached
out to me. And I was like, wait when you
(32:37):
told me that? And you obviously weren't represented by the
guests on my podcast, so when you were listening at all,
were you Like damn, she's had a lot of white
people on here. Every week. I say it, a little
pepper in your in your podcast. I can't, hey, the personality,
you need a little pepper in your podcast just this show, Like, Hey,
(32:59):
we could, we could and rate some small business. If
we've got some great minds over here, we do all
this stuff and just will take your point on what
k was saying, like, I'm just I can't in order
for me to move forward. The reason why the creation
happened of Kate Kearns wasn't it to my son. It
helped me get out of depression and help with the
anxiety recently a month ago, because I was everywhere because
(33:20):
I mentally didn't take care of myself. I was not
I was not well. So I just had to put
the blinders on. And I just started doing that last
when she said itself, because I just had to put
the blindness on, like I don't care what anybody else
is doing. I don't care what anybody else is saying.
I know this can be a multimillion dollar business, like
(33:42):
a multimillion dollar US it will be. So you see
that I just stopped caring. If you can tell both
my post someone running the way I didn't want to
run in. I'm not gonna run away. I think it
should be run. I ran trying to talk correctly today.
Um but you know so, And that's the resonated so
well because I just put the binders on, because if
you don't put the blinders one after you said the
(34:04):
blind is out, so much stuff hits you. I'm like, Nope,
no blinders. I don't care anymore. Let's go keep telling myself.
They think skinny pop is great way. So that takes
cake colonels, that is I just yes, that's my motivation
in my head every time I'm doing something wrong, like
it's ok, they think skinny pop great way to the cakes,
kke colonels. So but yeah, no, yeah, And I obviously
(34:27):
fully support that. And I am so proud of you
for being able to now run your business the way
you want to, which is the right way. The way
you want to run your business is the right way
as long as you're not harming anyone in the process,
you're running your business the right way. And I know
you're not doing that, so I try not know. I mean, listen,
you're fine. If someone chokes on popcorn, that's their own problem,
(34:48):
not yours. They were eating too fast. It happened. But China,
you recently did, and as recently as was it yesterday,
haven't amazing accomplishment? You said Friday? So yesterday was Friday. Yeah,
you had I don't know days an amazing accomplishment for
your business, which is is new since the last time
(35:10):
we talked to you. So talk about what you just did.
So excited and I am so in shock and everything else.
We actually just find at least to our own office.
Oh my god. So we had where we can pick up,
we can have consertations where I can make my creations,
where people it's not an open retail store, but it's
(35:32):
my little space where people can sit down if they
want samples that can come by appointment only. Its Corona
season COVID nineteen. It's oh wow, I'm it's so new.
I'm reading the process of decorating it and I would
never thought, like last year, I would never thought that
obvious saying, oh my god, I have a sign that
(35:55):
says really sweep shop Kate colonels on it and people
can come in and it's my own little baby. Oh.
I'm just it's so new. I wish I could stand
intelligence talking. So I'm just my brain is just like,
what did we do when I did signed the least
of the hell did you just do? Now I'm like,
(36:17):
got this, So I'm very excited. Just never in my
life when I thought about I'm so excited. But when
you were on the podcast talking about k colonels and
everything you guys were doing, you that is something you
were like, I wish one day to have this. You did,
You've had this dream you have and it's actually happening.
It's incredible. It's incredible because it's a couple of situations
(36:38):
fell through, like it just wasn't the right fit. You
just know when things are not the right fit. And
it wasn't the right fit. And then I just said, no,
let me see if they out of space and they
were like yeah, and we and I fell in love instantly.
I wear my heart on my sleeve. My husband, he's
the one, you know, he's you know, we're gonna do
what we need to do. And I were like, say
(36:59):
it so and he was I like, what do I
gotta do it? He said, what's yours? If you want it?
And it's the greatest. My kids, my oldest are like,
I'm so proud of you. And it's just like when
that happens, when your kids say that they're proud of
you because we've been doing um this journey for two
thousand and fourteen. Actually a couple of months ago, I
(37:19):
was like, I'm gonna give up. I can't keep on fighting.
It feels like I'm fighting and five self back and
I was like, oh, my gosh, situations that would work
out where Um, I'm just going through all the stuff
that went home for the last six months, and so
now to actually know where I can have my stuff
and call my own I have a key. That's to
know it's possible gives me more confident. Is it ever
(37:42):
that's gonna work out? Like we're already starting our own
printing for our backs where it would be, Um, we
already have designs and stuff printed out where we can
just this is gonna be wonderful and so excited about
the new things is coming. I'm excited for you. I
can't wait to see it. For people who didn't listen
to your original episode, you keep saying, leally use big
Shop or really to explain shop, Yeah, okay, I'm a
(38:04):
little crazy. So pretty much what happens is literally sweet
Shop is the bakery side. I mean, so I have
literally sweet shopping. I have Kate Colonels Lially sweet Shop
is bite sizes or we do um dessert bars, cupcakes,
sugar cookies all that type of stuff. Ke Parnels came
out of just doing a holiday's show and we started
up Kate Colonels. Will Carrara up popcorn, I don't laugh,
(38:25):
savory popcorn, and so we decided to make a dessert
inspired popcorn. So that's how when you keep I hear
really sweet shop and Kate Colonels, that's about two babies.
So yeah, two babies among your actual babies that you
have and your shop. Yeah, big, well, I I want
(38:45):
to come visit when when it's like safe to travel again.
I want to come visit. I want to come see
what you've created. I I and I can't wait. And
I hope people when they are visiting Raleig go find
you and go into your your your your big shop,
your studio and test out whatever they can and when
it's safe obviously, and continue to support online. By the way,
it's k Colonels dot com. Keita, you your business is
(39:06):
obviously completely different than and then what Shanika does. You
are one on one with so many people, so many
women day to day when you're working with white females
in corporate America versus black females in corporate America. Are
you going about their program? They're they're coaching program differently
(39:27):
for by one on one clients that it's highly personalized.
So we address whatever needs we need to address on
one on one. UH. In our group coaching, we do
our best to to to coach the group and understand
that we are coming to it with different perspectives. I think,
you know, my sweet spot continues to be goal setting
and accountability and that transcends race, gender, create all like
(39:52):
it is. There are some principles of you know, being
clear about what you want, breaking that down at the steps,
and executing right. So yeah, I would say that we
customize as needed when those things come up, because I'm
definitely with with my my black women clients, we we've
had to have the conversation of you know, okay, what's
really going on here, and we've had to have that
(40:12):
relatable conversation. And even with my my clients that are
white women, you know, there are some tough conversations this
week because like suddenly they were well how are you doing?
In a list of like, no, you actually don't want
that right now, I'm your coach. Yeah, but they might
need they might and there's that that side of it
(40:33):
where I think you are in such an amazing position
were not only will you help people with their goals
and their accountability, but as humans, you can better help them,
better help their again that word help, but just be
better people with their coworkers and help their coworkers with
their goals and their accountability in ways that they didn't
(40:53):
understand before. And again, those tough conversations are the conversations
that you need to have, the conversation that we're having
right now. I have never been more nervous than for
a podcast, even my live episode, than when we were
about to start this one. And I was like, I
want to do right by them because they deserve it
and they've earned it, and way more than today, way
more than these last two weeks. On the flip side,
(41:14):
I was really nervous as well as someone who you know,
I do a lot of I do this, you know,
like I talk all the time. You have you have
a headset with the microphone, like you're a gamer. I
know you do, go live, I do things, and so
it was and similar to I felt the same nervous
energy on Monday because we were launching the five Days
of Focus and it was like we're coming off of
(41:34):
this crazy weekend. We've been planning for this thing for weeks.
Do we cancel? Do we cancel it? What do I say?
I do not have the answers to dismantle, you know,
institutionalized racism. I don't have it. I ain't got it.
I don't have I don't have the power point, I
don't have the plea. Don't have it. Right, So, yeah,
(41:55):
that was just kind of the even today, like I wrote, no,
so like, I want to make sure that I cover
these things because I want to make sure that you
know I'm not coming across as so angry that I'm unreasonable,
right of course, because no one wants to hire an
angry coat. I mean well, and I and to that,
(42:19):
I went into this like, well, I don't want to
sound like help me. I didn't want to sound like
that because that's not what I want. I want to
help you guys. And the same thing, And these are
the conversations that I people listen and be like, I
need to have the same conversation. Well, like one of
the things that I've been trying and I talked about
this quite a bit in my in the coaching arena
(42:39):
of like change is hard, change is uncomfortable, right, and
so we all have to give ourselves grace in space.
You know, like I don't always have the right words
or I feel like I'm stumbling my way through this,
and so like grace and space. Yeah, take your lumps.
It's a learning, it's a learning situation. Are gonna be
(43:00):
times where you step all the way in the ship.
You're gonna they're gonna be where you are ankle deep
in the ship, and you guess what all all in it? Like,
if there's anything entrepreneurship has taught me is that I
failed multiple times a week. Well, I jack something up.
(43:22):
I have never failed so much in my life and
still managed to get it away. Its so so grace
in space that this you know, you're not gonna wake
up and have all the answers, None of us, nobody,
and so like, yeah, we're gonna stumble through it. Yeah
it's gonna be hard, but like, okay, I didn't do
that really, well, what can I do better next time?
(43:45):
And so thank you for your transparency that this was
challenging for you. I wanted you to know it was
challenging for me too, because this is the stuff I
wanted to say all week and I just didn't have
the time. You know, I don't have a platform and
go on Kate Carnel to just say everything I just
said is like, what is scoring well to get your
(44:14):
goal done? But while you're added, we'll listen. I'm glad
that we that you have this place to do that.
And I am gonna blast this out as much as
I can and to that. And this is what something
we're mentioning earlier about people saying support um black owns businesses. Now,
(44:34):
if I'm posting me, i am a white, blonde female.
I even have some pink in my hair right now.
If I'm up there on Instagram saying go support these
two amazing women. They are doing amazing things and blah
blah blah, and I say everything I just said about
how I fucked up with my podcast not doing this right?
Is that the right thing? Or do you look at
(44:54):
that and be like, no, you're not doing it right.
And I'm genuinely asking you guys and alive on this podcast,
how do I properly share this podcast with people? I
think focus on the future. Focus on the future, because
going I didn't do this, I didn't do that I
didn't do that it is if it comes across as
white guilt, right, And so focusing on the future, I
(45:17):
want to in the future with my podcast continue to
amplify voices, voices of women of color, voices of you know,
just a really tight sentence on what you're going to
do in the future. I think all of the I
didn't do this well in the past, that I'm not
here to assuade your guilt, you know, And so that
(45:39):
would be I leave that part out. And I've had
I have a realization that I need to support all
women business owners. And here's the man by the way
to find boys and fine boys are allowed. But like
we all have gotten it wrong self included, we've all
(46:01):
gotten it wrong. So like let's talk about the future.
I actually came up with an acronym. Of course you did.
Of course I did, like three points. I like three points,
so I call it opt. So the first part on
your own education, so that don't don't you know, putting
that burden to explain it to me? How can I
be a better white person? Funnily, I just did. I literally,
(46:26):
for the record, I literally just asked you guys to
help me, like and as we always do, we help blackness.
You should have literally just said, figure out how to
post your own fucking podcast on Instagram is what I
wish you'd say. You know, one day I will today.
(46:50):
This is a safe space. You're Carla Marie. There are
other folks. I'm like dead silence. I ain't got nothing
on your action. There are resources you can google it.
There are you know, there's a lot of posts on
on the interwebs right now with reading material. There's a
um it was an Issioma Olu is based here in Seattle.
(47:11):
She wrote the New York Times bestseller So you want
to talk about race, go ahead, get a copy Boom.
Put your money where your mouth is. That's the that's
the where anyone who can't see this Shanika is doing.
You know, the standard money k K colonels dot com,
Go buy popcorn, no need to organizations that support that
(47:31):
are supporting the effort and support black owned businesses. And
if you can't find any, you can go to websites
the like the Intentional List which is also based here,
and Ye Laura Kleee and find you some businesses to support.
But like, put your money where your mouth is. If
you really want to create change. Cash is king, So
find some businesses owned by uh black folks, and go
(47:54):
ahead and buy stuff. And then the last part of
my opt is the T and the T is turned
up to vote, y, turn up to vote yeah. I
And one of the things like when I'm I'm watching
all of the protests and and and and all of
the organization that's going on right now, I hope the
(48:14):
voting polls look like this. I hope they have a
long line for the sake of humanity period that. So
that's that's my opt. You come with an acronym to
this podcast, How in the world go behind? Just give
him what? I knew she was going to be a
(48:36):
problem when I saw Instagram. I knew she She's gonna
be a problem. My sister problem. What you know, she
said it all. She I don't even know why she
(48:58):
asked me to tag in. We said it all. I
always say, and this is I just said, you know,
leave from the heart. If you know it doesn't feel right,
then don't do it like that. Definitely. I always say excuses, Um,
that's the big thing in my house, So don't give
me excuses. You sunked up. Let's say you talked up. Um.
(49:21):
I don't say fun up to my kids, but that's
what I'm thinking in my head, like anybody in in
my life, just to say it and figure out what
you're gonna do in the future. So you can't suck up,
you know, because we're watching now watching Oh yeah, accountability.
We were We were watching before, you just didn't know.
We're really watching now. So that's the whole You're just
(49:42):
inside for the kitchen talk as I call it. It's
the kitchen talk. You're just inside for it because now
we're really watching. And when people are like, you know,
I want to support more. I want to support more. Okay,
I want to see because in my industry, wedding industries,
there's a lot of vendorless and stuff we'll see and
I always say, okay, we'll see. I sit back and
(50:02):
look because the best thing to do is be quiet
and watch and see what's gonna happen in the more,
what what changes are gonna be made. So that's one
of the things. Also a vote that's like, um, we
always pigging it back off of my my um loss
on my son. The reason why we the DA is
no longer in there because we may sure that he
was no longer there. We voted to make sure the
(50:23):
police cheat is no longer there because or our voices.
You know, certain things and policies are gonna need to
be happen in order for them to change as well.
This is great. I'm glad people are protesting. But what
I need you to do is being your city council,
be at the voting poles. Learn your candidate. Just because
your candidate is a Republican Democrat does not mean there
for you. You need to make sure that they're addressing
(50:46):
the issues that you feel strongly about. That is like
we just go, Okay, I'm anna vote who you're voting for.
We have no clue when you're voting for. So I've
definitely researched as research. Yes, and I'm being crazy. I'm
not gonna do a point, you know, I don't want so. Right, Well,
one of the things I think we've all learned this year,
(51:07):
between the pandemic and and the protests and the awakening
and everything, is how much those um local elections count.
I feel like everyone was just kind of pushed those
off when those were actually the most important. And I
myself am also realizing that and I am very interested
to see how that, how that changes and how you
(51:29):
were saying, Shanika that we're watching now, we're looking let's
see if change actually happens a year from now. I
want to have this same convert not the same conversation hopefully,
but I want the three of us to have a
talk and see what changed. I think that would be
very interesting to compare these episodes. And I'm gonna put
it on my calendar so I don't forget, which is
part of my calendar, which is a part of my
(51:51):
organization that um uh Keita has me as my new
goal that I learned from my five days of focus,
which I highly recommend. Another thing I wanted to mention
because everything the two of you just said, I watched
the video earlier, earlier today, there's um this amazing influence Instagram.
Her name is Everle Brooks, and I don't know if
I'm pronouncing it right. There's a lot of eyes and
(52:11):
els that are hard to read when they're all together,
but it looks like it's Averle Brooks. And she said
a lot of what you guys said, and one of
the other things she mentioned was when you're at brunch
with your friends, and you hear friends say something racist,
call them out, and I know that's not I know
that it's very obvious to you guys to say. But
I think in the past, you know obviously you just laugh.
(52:32):
And one of the things she says is that in
your small group of friends, you may think I don't
have a voice. You know, you don't. Who do you have?
You don't have a platform, You're just posting food picks
on Instagram, You've got a hundred followers. You have a voice,
a literal voice, in your friend group. And by doing that,
of like, that's not okay. I'm not okay with you
saying those things. That's not it's not funny anymore, or
(52:54):
actually never was funny. But I'm telling you now that
it's not funny. And if that person doesn't think it's
okay for you to say that, they're a problem and
they shouldn't be in your life. But you did what
you needed to do, and I promised to continue to
do that. I think at this point in my life,
I am very lucky to lucky and unlucky. I'm lucky
(53:15):
to not have those kind of people in my life.
Unlucky that I can't put those people in their place,
So I'm going to continue doing everything I can. I
have a very loud voice literally because of my job,
and I promised to be on the right side of this,
not only because it's the right thing to do, but
I feel it and I want that. I want what's
(53:35):
best for you guys. I've I just am still mad
at myself for not knowing the real backstory of your
your businesses and and Shanika that you I don't think
you told me you started Kate Colonels because it was
because you were coming out of a depression and it
helped you out of that. I don't think I got
that out of you. And and Kee did the same thing,
and going back to you know it was at of necessity,
(53:58):
Like holy sh it. Those are huge things that people
who have side hustles or want to have side hustles
need to hear. And I am going to continue to
do right by you guys and educate myself. And I
am obviously going to still have conversations with you, but
I'm going to do my best to not ask you
for help. I'm not never going to talk to you again,
by the way, I'm still going to be annoying, but
(54:19):
I will do my best to educate myself. And I
can't thank you guys enough. And Keita, you said that
you had notes that you took because you and things
you wanted to make sure you do you talked about today.
What else is on this list that we didn't know?
I got my acronym. I got my acronym done. I
am a problem. Ye. I made my point about grace
(54:40):
and space and change is hard and uncomfortable. I wanted
to make sure we talked about the five days of focus.
So we have a lot. We've created a Facebook community
where we have put together a challenge to work through
goal setting and accountability. We do it every eight weeks,
so the community is live. Join us on Facebook for that.
The doors are open for my new coaching program, which
is your ninety day Way. We have a whole program
(55:00):
to walk you through that first ninety days of achieving
your goals. Uh. The door is actually closed on June
tenth because we are actually nearing capacity a coaching roster,
so there will be more than one sex successfully in
the coming weeks and months, So you may or may
not talk to Keyta. That was that was all in
my note, Okay, I'm coming for you. Following up with you,
(55:25):
I'm coming for you. Thank you, thank you. We stretched
that vision. No, no, this is a million dollar company.
We're going to it is. And and you said that
to me Shaniko when we recorded the podcast and originally,
and one of Keta's things is write it down and
(55:49):
it's important. I when I took this five days of focus,
writing down and I said this to her when you
were trying to connect earlier. Writing it down this week
made me realize that I couldn't achieve the goal I
wanted to achieve because I had other goals I had
to hit first, and I would have never done that.
And it's as simple as be more organized, which sounds
(56:09):
so dumb, but I'm a disaster and I'm supposed to
be doing all these amazing things and I'm never going
to succeed by being a disaster. And doing that this
week and following everything Kita did in her five days
of focus was like, okay, one of everything I'm doing
wrong to to kind of push myself to stop myself
from hitting that goal that I actually have, and it
(56:31):
was amazing to do. And I have this paperwork now
and and I want people to go to success Bully
dot com and and learn from everything Kita has and
everything she's built to make sure she gets that CEO
title that she's she's aiming for. And then go buy
your popcorn and cake colonels dot com. I'm reaching out
(56:52):
for a client, gets so ready, we we got a
order coming your way. I love that. That is amazing.
I just I love you guys so much for being
able to be here and be honest with me and
with the people who listen to this podcast. And I
there are so many episodes on like that was my
favorite episode. No, really this because I'm so excited for
what's going to come of this. And and I love
(57:14):
you guys for being a part of this side Hustler's
family and and supporting me no matter what, and and
supporting each other. And and thank you, seriously, thank you
so much. I can say a hundred and fifty thousand
times and it won't be enough. Thank you for being
honest and real and sharing the real stuff, the uncomfortable stuff.
I literally am sweating and weird in my belly button
(57:35):
right now from this pocket. Okay, it's it's possible. And
the weird no, and possibly also because all my windows
are closed to keep the outside down. Yeah, you know,
thank you guys. And if there is anything at all
that you want people to know right now at you
(57:57):
know what, say it, this is your your time to
say it, because I know you both said you struggled
this week with sharing it anything on your specific business accounts.
This is the time for people to hear. So please,
by any means, go for it. Keita, you can go first,
can go first, whatever you guys want, go first. Thank you, ma'am.
So definitely check us out at kay colonels dot com.
(58:20):
We're having some great things happening in the next month,
some subscription boxes. They're finally coming through, finally coming through.
But also I can never eat in this note because
I did speak on my my oldest, my beloved son.
He would have been twenty six on May the twenty seven.
This could happen to you. I want to make sure
people realize this. I know I'm laugh our laughter hills
(58:43):
is soul and that's why I'm always can never be serious,
only too long. But just to know that he was
a father, he was a son, he was my grandson,
he was a nephew. And if you if you searched
his story and we a My sister actually did a
podcast for her podcast earlier today that I'm gonna share. Okay, colonels,
(59:07):
just search you see the names. You see the names
of I brought us and sisters that were killed researching,
research them. Don't make a split decision when you see
this wonderful lady Keith what. I'm kind of scared because
I want to take over. I want to do culture whereever.
I'm kind of nervous, you know. Just it's I'm rambling
(59:30):
because I'm full of emotion, because five years have been emotional.
But this week I've been angry, i have been hopeful,
I've been said, I've been depressed, I've been anxiety, and
I'm just tired. I just want to be at peace
and be and know that my kids and my husband
and everybody that I love and my friends are gonna
(59:51):
be okay. I don't have time for racism. I don't
have time for bising. I need, I need. I want
to leave my job. I want to make a leave
a legacy for my kids. I can't do that if
just if people keep on having race, this racist antide race,
I can't do that. If y'all keep on remaining quiet,
I can't. It's no more possible way. So you're in
(01:00:11):
my way. So either you learn how to get out
of my way, I'm gonna move you out of my way.
Simple is that I love it by some k colonels,
yes and colonels, I would just reiterate that give yourself
the grace in space. Change is hard, but if we
(01:00:35):
all do nothing, nothing changes. And you know, one of
the things that I teach as a coach is that
it is baby steps. It's small steps daily that move
things forward. And so I am not asking anyone to
to quit their day job and be a full time advocate.
(01:00:55):
I'm asking you to take daily steps to change. That's
what I'm asking you know, Like visit success bully dot com,
check out the five Days of Focus. Uh. If you
need support, you know I will kick your butt. So
your ninety day way is open. Get involved and and
thank you again, Carla Murief for creating this space that
(01:01:17):
we can have this, this uncomfortable conversation with one another. Shanika,
I'm ordering my popcornice and this I hang up you.
I'm yes, I'm a little scare, but definitely should I need,
but I need you in my life. I need you
because I feel like I have no or you're gonna
(01:01:40):
come and get me. Literally. I have clients that are like,
I did this because I didn't want to tell you
I didn't do it. It's true, this is true. I
feel like you, like people think they know what they're
signing up for and then they're like, oh crap, nice
about it, like bully, It's not like that mean I
(01:02:05):
will ask your permission. I'm like, how do you want it?
I need this in hot, mild medium, how do you
want to ask you? I love you, guys, I and
I know um Kita you you thanked me for creating
this space, but this space wouldn't exist without the two
(01:02:26):
of you right now, So thank you both for being here.
And I'm excited to see what's next for you guys,
and what for this freaking world and what we're creating now,
and and thank you for letting me be honest and real.
Thank you, thank you, thank you awesome, thank you all,
love you, and thank you, thank you. Thank you so
(01:02:47):
much for listening to this podcast, for listening to Shanika
share her story and getting deep and getting personal. And
Keita for sharing her story and so many different things
that these women touched upon in this podcas cast. I
will be eternally grateful for what they did for me personally.
Even if we didn't record this. I would feel the
(01:03:07):
same way if I just had the conversation with them.
But I'm even more grateful because it hopefully changed the
way you think, or helped change the way you think,
or help you understand even just a little bit. And
if you can go support these two women, please, by
all means, please please please do that. If you can't
do that right now, I understand, but if you can
(01:03:28):
support an organization or a movement or a group, please
also do that. Um I put the links in the
description of this podcast so you can support Shanika. You
can learn about her son, you can listen to the
podcast Shanika did with her sister. You've got all the
information for Keita for successfully and when her next five
days focus is coming up. I highly suggest doing that.
(01:03:48):
It helped me a lot this week. So thank you
so much for listening to this podcast. I am going
to do another episode like this with previous guests, so
if you have questions, please reach out to me. It's
the Carla murray On in Instagram or Side Hustler's Podcast
at gmail dot com. Thank you so much for being here.
I always say keep hustling, so keep doing that, but
(01:04:08):
be kind and be better, ye,
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