Drea De Matteo on the Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy and Why She Started an Onlyfans

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to Studio twenty two.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's okay, this is my interview. I'm gonna introduce the
two of you right now.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yeah, we just let it flow and then yeah, do whatever.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah. Anyway, the intro is, I want you to meet
my friends here, Brock and Will. This is my show.
It's the Drada Mateo Show. I'm just kidding. When you
guys go to comic Con, what are you doing there?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
So we bring our comic books, so we sign books
as writers and creators and I guess stars of the comics.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
What is the name of this comic book?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Cain J.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Caine.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
And so we have a booth with our comic book
company and our distributor and partner, Rogue Matter, another comic
company they own over sixty ips, and all the artists come.
So we do a lot of stuff at the booth.
But then we also incorporated the podcast and we do panels.
We had like a five guest panel, six guest panel

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with other artists and stuff like that, and then we
did a big presentation on the main stage where we
showed like an animated trailer of our comic book. Because
we're doing that animated show of it.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
So you guys, you're shooting here with all the green screens.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
That was for a photo shoot. Actually, that's as surprised
to Brock that I need to show him. That's really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
So and so com Con is like, it's a lot
of good networking, especially in the same space.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
We did some meet and greets.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
You know, fans get to come and you know, get books,
limited editions, stuff like that. But yeah, there's I mean,
there's a ton of different stuff you can do, but
it's really just about getting getting yourself out there a
little more, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Brock's so good with the fans too. It's really cool
to like see the interaction and be out there.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Do you let them jump on your shoulders sometimes?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I've done a lot of picking people up.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Actually, I'm sure you do.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
I realized really quick that I needed to stop doing
that because it low back.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Back after a while.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, but no, it's fun, it's it's it's interesting. It's
a different crowd. It's definitely a different crowd. A lot
of people dressing up and doing so there.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Was a little crazy. Yeah, yeah, I've done a lot
of them, so I know, Oh, for sure, yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's a crowd. It's a crowd.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
It's a big party scene. Actually, I think a lot
of people are there to have fun, which is really cool.
And like I've had some of the most fun after
the convention, you know, just going to the bars with
everyone and and doing all that too.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, I have to be careful at those things. Like
they sometimes they put me in the same hotel as
the conventions. I mean you're talking about the big I'm
talking about like the ones all across America.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, oh cool, But how would you like navigate through
there if you're in the same hotel And.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I always make I'm with Robbie, you know, I'm I'm
with my boyfriend, and I have to get out of
the same I have to get out of the hotel.
They put me in that hotel, right, it's mayhem because
they are partying. And it's not even because they're hunting
me down. They're fucking going for mannuts in the hallways, wasted,
and this old lady is like, hey, yeah, I want
to go to sleep.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Oh yeah, that's so funny. I add a comic con,
you know, Yeah, I've only think about it like.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
That, but wild they're dressed up, they're partying. It's M
D M A l oh wow, you know washrooms forget
about it.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I've only done La and San Diego. But I definitely
want to go check out the ones, you know, like
you're saying, across the country, I want to get out there.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
They're nuts. Man. There's a few great ones. It's like
monster Mania. Is it Monster Mania or Chiller? There's a
there's a few that are really really big.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Have you done like the Dallas one or the Anime
Expo or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I've done a lot of them. I haven't done any
since before the lockdown. Really, maybe I haven't done a
real convention, but I was doing a ton of I
don't remember. There's so many. Yes, yeah, and some of
them are huge, man, I mean.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, they're fine. San Diego's massive. I heard New York's
pretty big too, right.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh yeah, did you have this one? Has done that?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
The Witch New York.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
That the big comic con.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've done that one.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I bet it's.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Cool when you go. Are you going for uh sopranos?
Are you going for other shows or is it like
to promote.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's usually sopranos, but I think when I did New
York it was it might have been Suns that was
with the some of the guys.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, you've been a part of so many legendary shows.
It's like pick your poison, right, It's true.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, they're all very comic con worthy. And now I
heard they're coming out with Adriana pop doll. Oh no,
pop is that right? Funko pop? Listen, I sound like
the most ninety year old person ever.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Those are big. Wow, you know people love those.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
I honestly, I didn't even know what those were until
I went to Comic Con. They had like twenty foot
stacks of them. I'm like, okay, these must be popular.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I have kids too, so I know all about those
fucking things. I have all over my house. Awesome, every
freaking every Naruto one and yeah, how.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Does that feel having those?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
All the pop dolls? Yeah, I mean I like them.
I buying for the kids all the time. I just
get cute. But now I'm over it the kids are older.
I'm like, get the shit out of that. But we
were collecting toys. We have a lot of toy collections,
so that's cool.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well, speaking of the shows, like, when did you first
get into acting and realized that was something you really
were passionate about and wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I was a film student like you. I went to
NYU Film School directly. Oh great, yeah for directing. Yeah.
I didn't want to act really. I mean maybe I
did sort of secretly, but I thought like that was stupid.
I thought it was.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Like, like, I don't know, which is funny, because I
feel like most people that come into the industry they
go in through acting and then they realized, Oh I
like directing, or I like writing, or I like something else.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
You know, it was a different for you as the opposite, right,
I think. So.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, I grew up in the theater. I grew up
My mom's a playwright and she taught playwriting. So I
would have to watch everybody act all day. I fucking
hated it, man. I was like, I want to act,
like I want to play house, you know, do just playhouse?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And so I guess I did like the opposite of
what theater people think is cool, which is to go
try to make movies stuff like that. But but then
I started partying too much because I was a comic
consult I'm just kidding. I was partying too much, and
I never got my films done, so I'd have to
star in my own films. I'd literally literally have to

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figure out how to jack the sixteen millimeter film camera
because that's how old I am. Guys, now, so that's
not even this is your grandma session, this is a
granny show.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
That's that's iconic, though, Like if we can't even we're
trying to get film now to make stuff like that,
that's that's when you're If you say you're shooting someone
on film right now, they're like, that's badass.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, Robbie my boyfriend who's sitting across the rooms so
somebody can see what we're pointing at or whatever. Podcast,
but he shoots on sixteen milimeter.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Rob if he wants get ant of the chair, he's like.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Ah, He's like, I'm happy on the cow, but he
shoots on sixteen milimeters. Yeah, that's insane.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
I've seen a lot of different variations of that. People
doing digital version two, like trying to recreate that. It's
not the same. You know, it's never going to be
the same, but there's something about keeping that art alive
and keeping that film and it's expensive.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Now, yeah, didn't Nolan do it for Oppenheimer, wasn't he
doing I.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Think it was, right, Robbie. Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it,
but I'm sure that's pretty spectacular. But the sixteen is
so kind of degraded. And when we were in film school,
that was like The poor Man's Film. It was like,
they're not making you do it on super eight or
eight millimeters, but they're but they'll give you the sixteen.
Thirty five is like your big wow, they don't even
give you a thirty five in film school, right, You're like,

(07:47):
I have no idea because if my film school we're
we're all on digital. I mean I was editing on
an editing bay and splicing and cutting my film. It
was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Cool, It is really cool.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, it was amazing. And when I met Robbie, I
was trying to, like, you know, impress him with my
film knowledge and how I used to do things. And
he's like, yeah, because he's almost your age, love, He's like, yeah,
I don't know, Like I don't really I never really
did that before. But he does shoot on sixteen, but
he transfers it and then edits it, yes, digitally, and

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then but it's tough it's tough because then you also
don't have the sound, not that the sounds ever clean
on something like that anyway, even with digital you guys
have these microphones, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I mean, I think there's so many reasons why it's
like a good thing to shoot on film too, though,
because it really makes you appreciate like every single shot
you're getting right. It's not just like, oh, we can
delete it and reshoot it or we can you know,
it's like really a part of the craft and a
part of the history of the medium. And I love it.

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It's like I wish I learned it right, and I
wish I had that skill. I just, you know, I
never picked it up.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I actually think that when I watch all this digital
stuff being edited when he's working the film was ten
times easier. It's so much easier. They're developing it for you.
You're getting it back in these you know, in your cans,
and you're just laying it out from spool to spool,
playing it across the thing and you're watching it. It

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was a lot easier. I thought, then I don't understand
any of this.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I can see that though, because you are doing that
digitally now. But then there's nine hundred thousand different variations
of things with color correction and added stuff that you
can transition, like everything you could do now there's there's
almost an overabundance of that versus so there's.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
An overabundance of everything. I agreed with you with these
cars man, like, oh, you got to figure out how
to use this mechanical, weird computerized car. No, just give
me my old Bronco, Like, I don't want to deal
with this.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, I just went with a one hundred percent electric
car and I can't even like drive it to Vegas.
I can, Oh, I'm training it in for you know,
definitely something different, something either a hybrid or gas powered.
But like you just the batteries don't last long enough.
And it's great for like getting around l A but
I you know, road trip a lot and it just.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
You guys been friends also a decade. Now, you didn't
tell him not to buy that electric car.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
It's a least you know, it's your funny is his
mom really has told me he's like you got to
talk him into getting a truck.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
You got to get him a truck and.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I'm getting an AV.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah sure, but you always truck he has.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Man, that thing is that's a really good truck.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Now you guys got a truck, yeah, Robbie, Yeah, the
truck of all trucks.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
We do have the truck. But the only thing is
that trucks. Our truck's going to be hard to maintain
and to really I mean those kind of tires. When
he when he bought it, when Robbie, we bought a
six ton trucks sixty five tons six time, what is it?
Five ton truck? I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Six by six, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Six by six that's what it is. But I thought, oh,
this is going to be great to drive a cross
country Robbie, He's like, this is going to be the
most wretched drive. But those tires, I mean, yeah, they're
like two feet deep inside the the treads. I don't
know about that car. Now, I'm worried, Robbie.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Are they like off road tires?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Like they're just more like they are I don't know,
but they're they're massive.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
I don't even know how big those are. Like I've
got forty's on mine and they wouldn't even compare to
that tall. So finding those tires is tough. And that's
what I was I was talking right about too. There's
these government sites that like gov deals dot com. You
can go on and you they'll auction off stuff. So
you can get lucky and find that whole set for
like four hundred bucks. But you have to look like
you really got to look and hopefully win that auction.

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Otherwise I can't hopefully just keep some good run flat
stuff on you and plug the tires.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
He already sourced them, my guess in Alabama.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
He's driving it from Nashville to here in a couple
of weeks by himself. It's freezing, there's no insane there's
I mean, it is bare bones man.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Oh yeah, it's cool though, but we're going.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
To turn it into into a Ferrari on the inside
because I'm insalient. I'm going to drive him crazy.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
I love that stuff, obviously, I've been into that for
a while. I got that truck and originally I just
kind of lifted it and had it big. But then
I saw a sudden I was like, man, I want
to go off for I want to be able to
go anywhere I want. And now I've got the truck
and the trailer that I have done that and love
doing it. And it's just there's something about it, you know,
just to know you can run someone over if you

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need to.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Ye, he likes that idea. He's got videos already of
the guy that he bought it from running over like
houses and things.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
How is the camper work in the in the all terrain?

Speaker 1 (12:50):
It's insane, I would say.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
I would say it has better suspension than my truck,
and I put a lot into the truck. Yeah, it's
got it's got four tires on it, all dependent and
then airback suspensions. You can change the level of it.
And I mean I got it almost like I thought
I was gonna tip it over at one point because
it was doing some crazy stuff. But it'll go anywhere, really,
it really will. Yeah, and the whole thing. I bought

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a generator for my first time taking it out, uh,
just to power it, and it ended up they this
is a big mistake on my part is I bought
the wrong plug to go in. It was a three
prongs it's a three prong prug instead of the four
that I bought, and it didn't work. So I was
out there for a week. But the thing runs off solar,
so it charged up right every morning. I forgot about

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had full power the whole time.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
And the solar really so it doesn't even come outfitted
with the generator. I thought it would. No, yeah, it doesn't,
so you have to get your own.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's all solar, but it's got battery packs in there, so.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's the solar is really working.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
It's before ten am every day. It was back to
one hundred.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
And this is not OBI. This is their other company.
What's it called.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
This one's called Conqueror. Conqueror Conqueror.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, that's the mother company to OBI.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It's not even it's a it's a separate company. Yeah.
Obi Campers is there.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
It was the more their US version. Oh yeah, this
is the biggest for them, right yeah, which.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Is all yeah, where's my camper? Yeah, but we love them,
we love them, Evance send it watching this ship the cameras.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
But there they are.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
That one's from more of like Australia and South Africa
and they're just more advanced. And that was the first
one of its kind here in in uh in America.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
That was a Conqueror and it's their company. Yep, yeah, Okay,
write that down, Robbie, check it out, so that one's better.
That's what I want.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's what you want.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Okay, I don't want to mess with the other one because.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
We're talking about taking that mobile like not that one,
but we're going to build another one out with the
mobile podcast.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Without the beds inside, like more of a studio set up.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, that's what I've been driving them crazy, saying that
if we get it fixed, that it has to be
able to house the podcast one if we started.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, I mean even with the beds, like you know,
we were operating in there pretty pretty easily.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, there's there's space.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
There is space, but it's definitely not a like you're
not getting four people in there. Yeah, it's not comfortable
in the sense of like we're sitting down at the
table right now.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, you make it work.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Rock and Rampage Jackson like two giant men, and we
were all like relatively coming.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
It was fun, amazing, crazy. Yeah, but we'll get you
on that.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Can you stand in there and you can't?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, Yeah, it's uh it's six seven in there, so.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
You're you're basically skimming.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
There's there's event in there that I hit every now
and again. But other than that, yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Six seven?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, the hell are you people eating?

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Where are you from?

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'm from California, Iceland? Yeah, Iceland? Where is from? But
I'm from from from Iceland? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
I used to drink like a gallon of milk a
day at least when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, I just I craved it. I couldn't. I couldn't
help it. They would buy two gallons.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Just so I could have one of them. And I'm
sure that there is some I don't know whatever they're
pumping in the cows. Yeah, whatever they're pumping in there,
they went into.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Me there you go.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, disgusting. Yeah, thank you. I can't drink it now.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
So I have like a super So I was a
critical studies major. I was less production. I did a
lot of PA work over the summers to like get
that production in, But my main thing was like theory
and crit studies. So I'm gonna like take it really
philosophical here. Playing such iconic female roles, you know, roles

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that have cemented themselves in film, film, and television history forever.
How do you think the role of women has changed
from you know, when the Sopranos launched to Now, when
you think of like movies that just launched, like Madam
Web and stuff like that, how do you think the
female hero in cinema and television has really evolved?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
That's a good question. I you know, I'm so out
of my industry that I don't really pay attention to
what's happening out there. I don't even know what the
last what was Madame?

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Madame? What is that Spider Man?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Oh? Wait? Did I see that? Oh no, I didn't
see it. I saw what was the last Spider Man
that was out no Way Home? I think so. And
there were a bunch of I think there were. I
think there were female spider ladies. What do you call them?
I don't know, spider chicks, spider chicks, I think that.

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I mean, if you want to look at the grand
scope of over time, I think female characters have always
been really important. I mean, if you go back to Shakespeare,
I mean they're pretty powerful. But sopranos in particular, I
know that that's probably the most iconic, and Sons of
Anarchy too, but I guess Desperate Housewives. Okay, now I'm

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literally going. Now I can keep going because all those
women are were beasts. But I guess it's not common
to watch any kind of show or entertainment where the
person is just completely degraded all the time. Although I
do like those roles a lot, because that kind of
woman exists in society. And my character on Sopranos was

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not one of the strong characters. Everyone always like thinks
I played a tough guy, but I didn't. I played
the victim, and in fact, on all those shows I
played the victim, maybe not as much on Desperate Housewives,
but that wasn't a real role that I was around for.
It was just kind of a short thing. But as

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far as women in film, I don't know, because I
don't even consider myself as part of the industry and
I don't pay attention to what's happening in it very much,
which I think that in the last three years things
have gotten really confusing with anything, whether you know, women
consider themselves a minority on some levels, and the whole

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feminist movement and we've gone, we've taken it backwards with
a lot of random ideologies that kind of fit this
strange government situation that we're in. I don't know how
to say any of these things. But I definitely think
there's tons of strong female characters out there. What I

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don't love is when they want to, when they want
to fucking just knock their audiences over the head with it,
because the studio has a marching order to develop a
project where someone is going to be like this and
like that. You know what you're seeing now with like
all these commercials, Like all of a sudden, you're like,

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wait a second, why is like everybody represented in a
group right now? Like it doesn't have to be like
that all the time. It should be organic and natural
and people should just be represented because they're represented, like
not because it's a marching order or an ideology that is.
It's weird to me the whole Hollywood system. What I

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think is weird about the Hollywood system that's not great
is that women don't get paid as much as men.
That part sucks, But as far as the roles go,
you know, women bitching that they don't get to do
all the superhero stuff. There's a lot of female superheroes,
and it's badass when there are, and some do well
and some don't. And I don't know, man, I just
feel like I feel I mean, I don't know how

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to get philosophical about it. I feel like everything kind
of ebbs and flows all the time.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Oh yeah, I appreciate that. That's a great answer. I
definitely think there's cycles and you know, evolving and evolving.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I don't want to play someone who has strength. Yeah,
I don't like it. It's fucking boring.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Well, I think, like you said, like those characters. I
think they were so relatable and iconic because they weren't.
There's a term mary sue where it's like a female
hero with no flaws, right, like a miss Marvel, right,
And it's like, yeah, or Captain Marvel, I should say,
but that's human, right. Humans have flaws, So if you

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make something without flaws, you can't really relate to it.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I like when there's like a bazillion flaws, like really
fucked up, like give me the drug addict. I want
to be the prostitute. I want to be all of
these things.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yeah, that's more fun to play, Like, I think it's
even more fun to play, you know, and the protect
I mean the antagonist, you know, like somebody who's dark
and evil and has some fucked up shit going on
inside they got to deal with and like, how do
they function every day? Like your characters you've played have
been so complex and you've done such a like incredible
job bringing them to life, and it's like, but that's
it's true.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Though, I mean, is with me because I'm here right
now as soon as you watch.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I think I think gets audiences would agree for sure.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, how much of that played into because I was
reading that you're a character Sprano's Adriana was only written
for one episode? Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure I had
this conversation a million times. But how did it go
from the one to what it became?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I got lucky, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Got I was in the right place at the right time,
and David Chase loved me, and that was that she
was never meant to be serious regular If it were,
they would have gone till I I don't know, like
Mira Cervino, Marisa Tome, Debbie Maysar, all the girls that
had already like sort of proven themselves in that role.
They know they can do the accent, because that's a

(22:36):
super specific accent that can be really fake, and that
show could have, you know, had a bunch of caricatures.
But I think David liked that. I never took it
to that level, but I thought I was like, I
would even go to him and be like, can I
not say Christopher today? Can I say Chrissy? So you
hear me say Chrissy through the show, but for the

(22:58):
most part he's like, no, you have to say Christopher
the way you say it. And I'm like, I sound
so phony saying it, but he's like, Nope, that's it.
And now I'm known for how I say. It's like
matt LeBlanc, how you do it? Yeah, you know. But
it was one I auditioned for the pilot. I didn't
get any parts, but he liked me. I auditioned for

(23:20):
the pilot to play Christopher's girlfriend for one scene. It
wasn't even it was never meant to be a regular role.
He was just dating lots of girls. And then I
read for the Russian girl, and then I read for
like four roles in the pilot. Got nothing. And then
he called my agent at that time and said, we

(23:40):
like her because she's Italian, but she doesn't fit the part.
I thought I was auditioning for a show about opera singers.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
So we didn't get the scripts, so I didn't know
what it was, and they always tell you go in
clean slate, nondescript. My hair wasn't a ponytail pulled back,
no makeup, and I'm just going in to be like
a blank canvas. I didn't know I needed to go
in there and fucking tiger stripes and diamonds. So then,
but they offered me the part of the hostess and

(24:12):
some restaurant. Who turns down Lorraine Brocco and James Candelphani.
No one knew who Jim was yet, but everyone knew
who Karen was. Lorraine Brocco, Karen and Goodfellas. So I'm
dying when I have to go save my lines to
her and to tell her she can't come into the restaurant,
even though I'm acting. I felt so bad. I was like,

(24:33):
how can I tell Lorraine Broco that she can't come
into the restaurant? But I did it. I finally got
my lines out, but they had to do my takes,
talk about we were shooting on film. Do you have
any fucking takes just to get this day player to say, sorry, miss,
there's no tables available.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
David Chase was like, you seem like a snooty Connecticut girl,
So we're just gonna have you be the snooty hostess
that turns her down. I was like, okay, So I
did that and then that was it. The show was
over and I left. But I remember reading that script
and calling my mom and being like, mah, I have
a tiny part to like a line, one line, but

(25:12):
you need to read this script. And I brought it
to her because she's a writer and she's a writing teacher.
I was like, this is the most beautiful show I've
ever read. I was like, it'll never get made because
it's it's perfect. It won't ever hit the screen or
network would never pick it up, and it's out there.
I was like, where can this possibly be? It wasn't
a network show, and there were no there was no
cable TV yet there was like we had OZ, which

(25:36):
was amazing. You guys don't know us.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
It's intense.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, you guys are young, maybe for it.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
No, for sure, it's it's I have trouble watching like
really intense prison stuff. So but it's I know how
good of a show it is.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's like, yeah, it was really good. You gotta check
it out.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's nuts, it's.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Fucking it's the best male soap opera of all time,
even better than Ride of Our Lives, which I call
signs of anarchy. Rides of Our Lives anyway, so I
went in for the series. The series got picked up
and they called me again to come in. And I
was at my parents' house in Queen's and they called
me like, was it beeper? I don't know, it was

(26:17):
a beeper. And I call and I'm like, I'm in Queens.
I can't come in. They're like, you need to come
in right now, and I'm like, I'm in Queen's. I'm
not coming in, sorry, and they're like, that's funny because
we're in Queens. And my mother's looking at me across
the room. She's like, what's going on? And I'm like,
they want me to come in for that show again,
that Sopranos show. She goes, do you remember that script?

(26:38):
She goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're going we're
taking you. She goes into the safe. She pulls out
my name plate and diamonds, because you know, I grew
up in Queens, so I had. Of course, all good
Italian girls have their fucking name plate and diamonds on
a rope chain. She puts it around my neck and
she goes, she says, what is your line? And I said, mom,

(26:59):
I had one line. It's al. She goes, you turn
that out into a twelve syllable word like your neighbors. Oh, whoa,
you know one of these things. And my grandma made
us a chicken cutlet parmesan heroes because we were about
to eat chicken cutlets. And I'll never forget. And we
sat in the car outside of Silver Cup Studios eating
chicken cutlet palm heroes. And I went in and I

(27:21):
said al, and I dragged out my owl for like
ten minutes and I got the part. And they will
always say that I got that part because of how
I said ow, which was funny. But I went in
there like real tacky. I knew I was going to
come going in to be. I had my hair up
on one side like I do now. It's like my
signature hand zoo. And I had the accent and I

(27:43):
didn't even when I met them. I wouldn't even speak
with my regular accent. I was like, no, I talk
like this, like I don't even know if you remember
me from the pilot. But they don't think they knew it.
Was the same person. I don't think they knew I
was the same person. And then when they realized it
was the same fucking person, they made her a hostess
in the restaurant. I have to ask David Chase that question.
And then I kept getting script after scripts, he kept
writing more, and he said to me, he said to

(28:06):
me the other day, we were at a panel, the
twenty fifth anniversary panel, and there's dinner after, and he said,
do you remember when I pulled you outside at Craft
Services and told you you were going to be a
big star? And I was like, oh my god, I
don't remember that, But I mean, I love David so much.
That changed my life, you know, I mean forever humbled

(28:28):
by being on that show as a day player. I'll
never forget. Like you know the honey wagons have. It's
a toilet. It's just all toilet bowls, right, and a
cushion on your toilet bowl. That's how all the actors
show up to work. Like the people that are just
the day players and not the series regulars. They sit
in a honeywagon. It's a toilet. And I would sit

(28:51):
on my toilet with my cushion on my toilet and
read the scripts and see what scenes I was in,
because he would call me in again and again and again,
and then finally by episode ten. Maybe it was I
think the music episode, which I know wasn't the best
Sopranos episode, but it was my episode where they really
brought me into the show and I ran to a

(29:11):
phone booth and I was like, mom, I'm on almost
every fucking page. They gotta make me a regular now.
And then I was a regular by the next season.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
So it was cool.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
It was cool, guys, it really was. And I'm still
so grateful.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
That's amazing. Wow.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I mean that's such a good lesson too, of like,
you know, not only seizing an opportunity, but really like
putting your all into it and going out there and
doing it right. Like I think I.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Didn't even know what I was doing. I wasn't even
really an actor. I was coming at a film school.
I didn't really know what I was doing. Michael IMPERIOLDI
was so fantastic. He's such a good actor, and he
carried me. That's how it felt to me. At least,
I felt like he was my acting teacher through that show.
I got nervous when I had to act with other
people on the show. I was very used to just

(29:59):
being with him, and I knew that he had me.
And I also watched my mom teach for so many years,
and watching someone teach writing is not really different than
watching an acting teacher teach acting because you have to
keep your keeping the person active. Even the same as
writing a comic book, Like your comic book's gonna fall
flat if there's no action, right, if you're not doing

(30:19):
something all the time. And it's the same thing for
the writer critiquing the right the writing, you know, the
writing teacher and the actors and all that stuff. A
script has to stay active all the time.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, keep that, keep those characters making those conscious decisions
in the face of conflict, right, always keep driving that
thing forward.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I love it totally. So that's how I learned how
to act, really was listening to her teacher teach act
teach writing.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, you had so much of it around you from
film school and and your mother, and yeah, it's like
you were really.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Good at it. I'm not really good at it. I
will say that I am not I am if anything,
I'm obseral, No.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
No, it's I would argue with you on that, but
that's okay.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Maybe back with soprano days, I can't even watch myself.
But back then, like I felt like even my accent
was so phony and like it was hard for me
to watch it.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
But that's that's a good awareness I think to have
as an actor or an actress. Like it's it's if
you're able to see that and then change because that
become better. Because I know so many people that I
watched their stuff. I've been on shows with them, and
I know I've done some really terrible work in my day.
It's part of it, I think, you know. And also
just evolving as an actor. But I've seen people that

(31:31):
were horrendous and they thought they were God's gift to earth.
And I'm sitting here like, bro we, I how do
we talk about this?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (31:39):
No, you know.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
And it's like if I can sit there and watch
myself and say, I wish I made some different choices
in that situation, you know, But and and try to
evolve and grow. But to have that ability, you know,
that's that's a gift in and of itself. But that
self awareness, you know, And so I think that that
in some way has to pay a huge you know,
I don't know what's the word.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I'm rolling ye, homage.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I think there's something innately human too about like hearing
yourself on a microphone or something, you know. I think
I think everyone just has that. It's harder to judge
yourself than it is to like accept other people's versions
of it. If that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Maybe it's because like you judge yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, I don't even think about myself harder to much anymore.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
About it. Yeah, you're harder on yourself than other people are, right,
it's like.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh, always always. I'm watching my kids now go through
that with like turning, like turning into teenagers and going
from little kids to not giving a shit. It's so
interesting to watch little kids and try to understand how
to get back to acting like that, because when you're
acting or just living your life, when you have no

(32:48):
self awareness and then all of a sudden that self
awareness comes crashing down, it's debilitating. So I do have
self awareness, but I probably don't have that much because
I don't really have a filter an edit button. I've
never been allowed to do press. I'm only doing it,
I'm only doing it lately. I'm probably going to get
even more destroyed for even being out there talking. So

(33:09):
I'm trying to be on my best behavior. Guys today,
I was crazy in New York last night.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Authenticity is the currency of the future.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Let's see about that, because you know now they just
want us to be a bunch of fucking sheeple.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
But I think that that destroys even from an art perspective,
That destroys art. You know, if everyone followed the rules,
we'd have the most.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
We wouldn't have art.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
It'd be the most boring thing in the world, and
nothing would be entertaining.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Nothing.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
And then there's a lot of content, a lot of film, TV,
a lot of art, a lot of everything that does that.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
And then you know nobody's talking about it.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, everything's too saturated. Now.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Is it just about making a dollar?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Now?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Is it just about you know, having an agenda of
what you want to put out there. It's just it's
not it's not real art. And I think that having
the ability to be yourself, your true authentic self, and
show up in the world and not being afraid to
do that. There's not only freedom in that, but there's
your you. You you make a wave, you make a
statement you make, you make it okay for other people

(34:08):
to do that, And I think.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
That's what we need.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I don't like you said sheeple, right, like if everybody
was the same, it'd be the most boring place in
the entire world.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, that's what they've been trying to do for the
last three years in my opinion, in my humble opinion,
with no edit button.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, I mean it reminds me of those like dystopian
novels like The Giver where they take away like all
color and all emotion and all feelings, so the world
is just like black and white and everyone's it's junk.
Oh I should know the author. Actually, I can't remember
Spencer who wrote The Giver.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
The Giver? That's isn't that what Blackjack was just reading?
Am I crazy sci fi? Right? Yes?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Great?

Speaker 2 (34:51):
God no, because my son was just reading it or
I would not have known.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I read it in like fifth or sixth grade, y yeah, seven, yeah,
or seventh probably then seventh or eighth. But like it's
it's stuck with me, that feeling of like blandness, right,
and like like you're saying you got to be yourself
to stand out and and encourage others to do this thing.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
You don't want to get me started on that topic.
I will fucking take it down to China Town. I
will take it down that subject. Yeah, I have I
have a problem with all of that. I feel like
people's unique qualities should have always been unique, Like why
make everybody the same? I mean, I I even it
bummed me out, even with the whole the whole gay

(35:36):
thing that was happening. I'm like, but my gay friends
are so fucking awesome and colorful and unique, and why
does why does it? Why? No, bidn't let them just
be who they were? Why are you turning it into
this other fucking psycho shit. It's like it just got
all too crazy. I love that people are unique and

(35:56):
have their own vibe. Yeah, you know, and everybody doesn't
have to be this doesn't have to equality, yes, but
not like this other thing. It is like everything just
becomes gray after a while.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah, and it's there's there's nothing there, there's no substance,
there's no like I mean, think about like the clothes
we're all wearing, right, the fashion, the choices we make,
the cars we.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Drive, everything safe now safe safe, safe, Yeah, you can't
even make those TV shows anymore. Sopranos couldn't get made today.
There's no way the.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Best entertainment in the world can't get made today.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
No.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, which is such a crazy thing because we had
a comedian friend of ours on yesterday too, and it's
comedy is in that same kind of or it's been
in that same kind of boat where it's not it's
like you have to check every box to make sure
it's okay to talk about the things so people feel comfortable,
you know. And then but that's the problem with that
is you can't make everyone happy because everyone's not happy, right,

(36:52):
and so people are gonna find things to be pissed.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
About, thoroughly unhappy. Lately more than the latter, I would say,
I think these computers have made people really pissed off.
The hatred behind those little fingers going all day, people
just bashing on each other on social media. I'm like, wow, man.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, keyboard Warriors.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
It's insane. I don't even understand it.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
I've I've dreamt many times about if being born in
the wrong era.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I was like, just why can't I just have a sword?
Why can't I a sword?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Right?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
You look like you're I don't know if it's going
to end well for me in that in that.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Case, but you don't even need a sword. Yeah, I
mean you got the you're just thor with your bear
hands man.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
There was a period of my time where I did
throw people very often. There's a I did this trip
in Croatia with some friends and there were some people
that got onto the boat. They weren't supposed to be there,
and they were bugging some of my girlfriends, you know,
and uh, I was like, look, all right, are you done.
I would talk to that to my friend and she'd
be like, look, I'm done talking to this guy.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I'm like, right off to the Atlantic, you go, my friend.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
And I would just is there video of that?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
There might be.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Somewhere I would have liked to see that.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah. I think I threw six people that that weekend.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Oh my goodness. You couldn't do that today.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
No, No, we need to make trus Yeah yeah, we
need to make our own roadhouse that sequel coming out.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Security just called Rock.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, Yeah, that would be would be the I mean, look,
I'm for it.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I'm for that.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
If we can make that happen, I'm in Did you
ever end up directing is that you had no desire
to do it after I never did it.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I had kids. Yeah, so I guess I was direct I'm.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Still directing, directing, directing life.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah. So when I had kids, man, I just didn't
care about anything else anymore. I didn't care about my career.
I didn't care about the art. I didn't care about
I haven't watched films. That's why I didn't even know
what you were talking about before. I haven't watched TV shows.
Everything became hyper focused on these two little people, and
the world went crazy. Yeah, and now I'm even more

(39:03):
focused on them to make sure that they're not a
part of that right, so that they know how to
navigate it.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
So, how would you say that shifted your life? Having kids?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Oh? My god, I joke around that I was born
on the day my daughter was born, my first child.
That was the beginning of my life. I don't even
know what the fuck I was doing before that, and
why I was waiting so long to have children. It
really is the answer to a lot of things, all
the questions that you have that you're like, I don't understand,

(39:33):
I don't why do I feel this way? Why you
have kids? And then you understand everything all of a sudden.
It's so friggin weird. They're your teachers.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I basically made my two best friends and they're also
my teachers. I just have to guide them while they're
teaching me the whole way.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, it's kind of cool. That is cool.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It's beautiful, it really is. It's a great description.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
If you're lucky enough to have cool kids like mine.
Not everybody has the coolest kids like mine, you know,
But maybe it's because I whip them into shape all
time without whipping them take it easy everyone.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, you know they're cool because you're cool. Right, It's like, yeah, they're.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Cool, luckily because they didn't have it. I mean, we
had a breakup and it's not always easy on little kids,
and they had to definitely walk through a lot of
that sort of switching homes, not wanting to do that.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
I know that very well.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
For sure. That was tough.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, it's a different I didn't realize it because it
was such a normal in my in my life as
a kid.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, I don't have that.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
You stayed with both my parents they were crazy too,
so I was raised by nanny.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, my parents got divorced when I was a baby,
and then they each got divorced again after that. Nothing crazy,
just like my through that, right, Yeah. I mean I
was always very close with my brother and my parents,
so I never felt like it was anything that had
any crazy trauma associated with it because we were still

(41:00):
always together.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
That makes I feel like I got really lucky in
that way also, So that was good for them to
be together.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Yeah, yeah, I would say I I moved. I can't
remember a time that we didn't move at least once
a year. Really, Yeah, I switched high school. High school's
nine times, middle school was six times five, six times elementary.
I don't even remember all in La No, no, uh,
some Florida, a lot of southern California, northern California as well.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Army parents crazy, just crazy parents yeah, just crazy yeah
not army yeah oh really yeah. Hippies crazy hippies, No,
just crazy crazy.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
I think my dad could have fit into the Sopranos
or Sunday Anarchy.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
So I was exposed to a lot of stuff early on,
but I ended up It's funny because I think maybe
it was such so normal to me. I ended up
liking being the new guy all the time because I
could just create a new life, a new character. It
kind of sucks now six months in, I'm gonna go,
what am I gonna try this time? You know, And
so I'd move somewhere else and kind of step into
a different person. I think that's where I really fell

(42:09):
in love with acting. Was I just was doing that
in my real life. Yeah, but yeah, it's I think
it's when you get it's there's no blueprint of like
the perfect way to be raised or you know, or
to raise somebody you know, and you kind of figure
out how you do it as you go, I think.
But that exposure to me was a blessing in the
sense that sisters, Ah, there's like nine of us, eight.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Of them, fivemedia together.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Five are immediate.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
And then my parents were divorced over there, it'd split,
you know, time every now and again.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
But uh, this is a gypsy caravan.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, which I fell in love with that.
I fell in love with that life style.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, that's why you have a camper outside exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I'm ready to go, yeah, anytime, make it.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Yeah, But it's I think it's getting that exposure though,
and then that that ability to connect with people I
always wanted to have, you know, those those friends from
childhood that you know, said, I'd go to these schools
and I'd see these people that had been friends for
fifteen years, sixteen years already even after twenty plus, and
I kind I wanted it. But then at the same time,

(43:11):
I was always so focused on growing as a person
and evolving that I realized I started to outgrow people,
outgrow friends, you know, and then all of a sudden,
I ended up landing where with my people, you know,
the people that Okay, we want to go farther, we
want to go higher, we want to evolve, help each
other instead of just like everyone's trying to. There's there's
a lot of people that I think try to get

(43:31):
you down, and they try to pull you.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Down all the time, all day.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Yeah, and if you have a dream too, if you're
a dreamer, they'll they don't want to see you fly.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Nope, can't be around those people.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah, and you shouldn't. You shouldn't. I'm guessing you've dealt
with that a little bit in your life.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Oh my god, I feel like everybody, everybody I even
noticed what I went through in the last three years
has been completely rough, But a lot of people do
like to just keep you in a box or they
like it better one you're down, easier to manage. But
I have definitely jumped around in my lifetime just because

(44:10):
nobody was on the same dreamscape as me. Like I'm
not married, I've jumped around Robbie. Robbie's my new dreamer
over there, most dreaming big about things. My last relationship
was keeping shit small. Yeah, I can't. I can't hang

(44:31):
with that. It's so it's so stifling. Yeah, and I
don't even know where my energy is directed half the time.
But it definitely isn't just stagnation. I'll sit still for
a while trying to figure out what the next moves are.
But don't ever mistake that stillness for nothingness, you know.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
I love that. Yes, it's there's something in even just
being an artist. I think that it's just not you.
Don't you don't think you don't operate the same way.
And I think if you're a big dreamer, and especially
someone who's achieved such big dreams, I feel there's no
sense in limiting yourself because you know it's possible, and
when you could see someone's possible, like why would for me,

(45:14):
when you surround yourself with those people, all they're gonna
do is keep you there, keep you down. I've always
said it as like you're on a ship, right you
have your own ship, and you're trying to get across
the ocean, and people are like anchors to a degree
they can be, and you have to teach people how
to treat you. So what's gonna happen when you teach
people how to treat you is you're either going to
reel them in, they're gonna come with you, They're gonna

(45:34):
treat how you deserve to be treated, and you guys
are all gonna get along, you know, the same place,
or you're gonna realize that person's trying to keep me
stuck right now, So I got to drop the anchor,
you know, And then you keep moving forward and you
can be the most powerful ship in the world. You
might be able to pull three or four anchors, but
it's slowing you down from where you're supposed to go
and how you're supposed to get that.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
So, really being aware of who's in your circle in
your life and how it affects you, and it really
changes I think your trajectory and where you're supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, so right now, what you're saying is really resonating
for Robbie over here. I can tell Robby's going through
He's going through one of those moments in his life
right now. It's about to jump on to the other side.
But I know what you're talking about, and it's that
being held down by certain friends and stuff. It's painful

(46:21):
to have to cut that loose sometimes because you don't
want to hurt anybody, or a lot of people don't
have your best interest and they really don't. And it's
fun tell them to go fuck themselves. Yeah, and that's cool.
But yeah, and I'm also a lot older than you guys,
so people are just gonna come and go.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Man.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, you know, I have some friends from being a kid,
but not many. I moved around too, and my life
changed and evolved and I left a lot of people behind.
And I you know, that's what's great about all your
social media platforms. You can say hi to people every
now and then that you wouldn't normally say hi to,
Like a text message is more formal, but like social media, oh,
I you know, I just saw that. Even But as

(47:02):
far as like really maintaining deep relations with people. I
I have my my friend crew, but I don't have
that crew of people like entourage, you know. I used
to when I was younger, But I also realized that
a lot of it was fucking bullshit and everybody was
just you know, waiting for the party, and then when

(47:22):
the party dies down, shit gets real. I don't know
very many people stick around for that.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Yeah, well, that's when you really realize someone's true character intentions.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Right, It's weird. I think a lot of people recognize
that in the last three years.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
And you kind of on television shows too, they're kind
of like cruise around you as well, like physically, literally
and metaphorically. Right, So like going from a show like
Sopranos to a Sons of Anarchy.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Different families?

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Did that? Did Adriana inform how Wendy was portrayed or
you know, how were those relationship It's different from show
to show. Did it evolve or adapt or.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I think that when a lot of these show creators
and stuff, everybody loves Adriana, it's hard to get away
from that. I don't care. When I was younger, I
did care. I was very precious about being typecast and
playing a role like that again and repeatedly. Now all
I want is to do Adriana again with the accent.

(48:27):
I just want to live in that role for the
rest of my life because it was the best one.
So when I did Sons, that was another situation where
there was no role written.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
They asked me to do the pilot as a favor.
It was John Linson, the Sky John Linson, and he
was friends with an old friend of mine. It was
really just a favor to do their pilot because they
didn't have anybody in it that anybody knew yet except
for Katie So Katie Sigal and it would have been me.
The other actors weren't like super well known on television,

(49:03):
some film actors and stuff and great actors. But I
die in the pilot of that show. I mean I die.
So that's it just dead.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
When FX heard that they got me to do it,
they were like, well would she stay? And they asked
me if i'd stay, and I said, of course I'll stay.
What is there a role? I mean, what are you
going to do with me? I just died. They brought
her back to life and kept her. I didn't know
what they were going to do with her, so that
was a little confusing in the beginning about how where

(49:37):
she was going to go. But we knew she was
a victim, and we knew she was Jack's victim, and
that was and then they then this was a shitty thing.
They this show tested really great, that was a great thing.
But then they didn't need me, and they were paying
me too much money, I guess in their minds just
to stick around for a couple of episodes. And they

(50:00):
were like, we're going to cut your pay in half
because we don't really need you. And when you hear that,
that was my second big show, and I'm like, fuck
this industry, we don't need you. Like, so now we're
going to cut your pay in half? Like the fuck
kind of bullshit is that? It doesn't That doesn't do
wonders for your egos, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Team teamwork, right.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
But I could have stayed, like a lot of actors
might have stayed. I said, fuck you, I'm out of here,
and I went and did Desperate Housewives instead. And then
I watched the show and I and I was like, oh,
my friends are like, Drey, you need to go back
because now it was like our soap opera. And I
watched it while I was sick, and I texted Kurt
Sutter and I, oh, yo, just bring me back for what.

(50:46):
I'll just do it for nothing. I don't care. Just
let's func shit up right now. Bring her back just
to mess with people. And and we didn't. And I
basically did the show for almost nothing.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
And that's the truth. It was more like just going
in to do it. And then the season finale, they
were they needed her to stay and they needed the
character to stay in one place because I was never
in town. He'd call me be like, can you do
it this week? Can you come in? This was always
like a last minute thing. I was never really a

(51:18):
character on Sons. And that's weird because people really associate
me with that show to a large degree, not as
much as Sopranos. But it is funny because I was
never regular on Sons.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah, that is a crazy story and how all that
like worked out?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
And then yeah, the last season was really the only
season where they paid me to stay in one place.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Wow. Where did they film that? Was that out here? Yep?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, in the valley.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Wendy. But Wendy was they even I don't know if
you've watched Sons, but there is a line. I can't
believe they did this, but they've done this on a
couple of shows. But they say it to me like
be careful or all Adrianna you or something. They say it,
wo Wendy, I think I must.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I've just literally seen every episode they say it on
the show.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You can probably google that and you'll find it.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
That's great, I'll yeah, I'll go, I'll go back. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Let's just say it to somebody else. Be careful. A
lot of people say that because it's like, you know,
it's a good reference. But for sure with me there
how Stilly.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
That's a great that's a great Easter egg. I gotta
go back and find that one.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Obviously.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
I know we ran into We met the first time
at Metallica, right, Like I thought.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I met you with the gun Range, but nope, it
was Metallica. But you were with ter friends with Taran.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Yeah, oh you are. He was a part of a film.
I was getting ready for a film actually, and then
so I was training at his place and then we
just you know, became friends and he's a hell of
a shooter.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Oh he is.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I mean that night I remember it because we were
walking and Robbie, my boyfriend, I keeps talking about Robbie. Guys,
Robbie sees Taren. Hi, Robbie, Robbie sees Taran, and he's
like fucking nudging me. He's like this, and then they
I think he went up to Taren like he was

(53:14):
the biggest star at the entire concert. So, yeah, that's
how we met Taren. We met Tarran that night you
had met him.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
He was geeking out the whole night he was. He
was so fired up to meet you guys.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was excited. But he went up
to him and was like, can we please say hello
to you?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Oh I didn't know you guys didn't know each other. No,
we didn't know him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Yeah, teren Tern's a good dude. I like him and
we had fun at that concert, like his like his girlfriend, Tatiana.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, I mean she's a fucking superhero.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, she's a.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Comic book character.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I mean she is the most fucking tough bitch ever.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, she can do anything.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
She's so hot.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
She's jumping off horses and and things upside down and
like that.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I mean, she's shout out.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
I love her.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
She's gonna love that. I'll send it to her because
I'm telling her. I've been telling Tearing and her to
come on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
So yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
She would love it. She's full of piston vinegar. I
love her. Man. I can watch her videos on Instagram
all day.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I gotta check it out.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
She's incredible. She's watching her body just I mean, I
wish I could do the things she does.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Yeah, she can do any She's basically a contortionist, right, like,
she can do anything and graceful.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
She's a which which character she in in the video game?
What video game is it? Do you know? Call of Duty?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I think it's called Duty.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
I think so. And she's like she looks like like
tomb Raider, like it looks like like every superhero is
based on her. Hell yeah, yeah you will like her.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
No, our comic book character McKenna is on it based
off you know, lower Croft and Black Widow and right there.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
With the Big Bobs. Yeah, I'm gonna call McKenna Drey
from now on.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
No, for sure, I haven't met Terryn or Tatiana. But
obviously I hear about them all the time through Brock
and a few other friends that know them. But you know,
they are top of the line when it comes to
stunt work and all ranges and all that. So it
would it would be really cool to meet them.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Every chick that works there training everybody. They're all the
hottest chicks you've ever fucking seen. It's my favorite place
to go.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
And they can all shoot too, like.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
They're badass bitches, James Bond bitches.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, oh they could fit in any one of those yeah,
without even missing a beat.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I like that he is. I've never met a man
training anybody there, have you no?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Besides yeah, it's just.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Chicks. Yeah with guns.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I love it. And they shoot better than all the guys.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, there was sick.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Did you guys. Did you guys get to shoot there?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah? But I'm always like you know, with my nails
and this hurt snip. I love Terrence guns. I don't
like my gun. But Robbie loves shooting there.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
That's awesome. Hell yeah, yeah, Well get back out there
one time.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
You got to take me.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
That'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
It's not it's not, it's not PC We're sorry. Guys,
protect yourself for.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Me too, because a lot of the characters I want
to play, and the one of the roles I'm getting
ready for right now. It's a lot of guns, you know,
Navy seal and all that. So, I mean it's a
part of training our military, every whole Yeah, country was
founded off of it.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I mean, you look like you should be training all day.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
I try.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I try as much as I can, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
There's guns inside your arms, your fingertips shoot bullets just turn.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Into it like a full uh what are called gatlin
gun or something cyborg? Pretty much?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
I mean Arnold something like that, right, But no, I
was talking about music too. Has I feel like music
is You're very connected to music in some ways?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Are you? Have you always been.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Very connected to music? As I stare at Robbie over
there from all them witches, yeah, I know it's true.
I jump around from from uh, I'm going through every
member of the band because I'm a crazy groupie.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Probably's like this fucking bitch, that's not.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
What when I asked the question. But you know I.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Have no other button. Guys, Well, my baby daddy is
shooter Jennings. If you guys know who Shooter Jennings is.
But he's pretty awesome. So he's that was the baby,
that's the baby daddy. So obviously there's a musical family.
My kids both play music, I mean mostly my daughter.
My son can play music but doesn't really. And then

(57:55):
I was I've been dating musicians for a while. I
probably wouldn't have dated another one, but this guy was
too cool. He was too No more musicians ever again,
this is hopefully the last stop. No more musicians. But
because it's heartbreaking, it's a heartbreaking business. It's like our business,
it's nightmare. It's up and down, it's all over the place,

(58:18):
and we always have sort of those bottomless pits of
creativity that you don't know where to put half the time,
which is why he and I started the Ultra Free Company,
which is based a lot in kind of the whole
music world too, because he makes all the merch for
his band and the merch does super well. And now

(58:41):
we're just doing it. But yes, I love music so much.
I feel like it is the one thing that can
unite a group of people that have nothing in common,
and for that, I just think it's magic. I think
music's magic. I probably would have loved who have been

(59:01):
a musician myself, which is maybe why I dated so
many musicians. I'm always like, you can do more, you
can do this. I'm like a micromanager of the musician
in my life. And now I have my daughter, So
now I don't micromanage Robbie or any of the men
that I date anymore as far as their music career codes.
But but I have my baby, and she's probably going

(59:22):
to play music, and I'll do everything to make her
extremely comfortable so she can pursue her art. I think
music's the most important art form. That's not true. I
mean I love all art forms are important.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
No, Well, there's something special, so immediate. Yeah, and music
can take you back to a moment thirty years. Yeah,
just like it's nothing.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
You know, I love it so much. It just gives
you vibes. You know, vibes are everything, man, for sure.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
I mean that's so cool too. You had you know,
film and writing with your mother, and now you can
have music with your daughter. That's great. Yeah, that's special.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
She looks just like my mom too, that's how cool. Yeah,
she's her twin and she's a writer. She can do anything.
She's an insane visual artist. Oh, it's everything with her hands.
Her hands are literal magic. When she was born, I
looked at her hands and I go shoot her. Look
at her fucking hands. Her hands are the most beautiful
hands I've ever seen on a baby. The fingers were

(01:00:18):
so long. And to see her evolve and everything comes
out of her hands.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Is it's cool that creativity? Yeah? God's gift?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Amazing. Yeah, So what do you what do you have
going on right now?

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
You say you got the merch the clothing you got, Uh,
where can people find that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
At ultrafree dot co. There we go, and our Instagram
is ultra free with two AA's, and so is our Twitter.
We might be shadow band already just because the word
free is in there, which no one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Likes that, which is ironic, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Freedom is a four letter word now, so is truth.
They don't like these words.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
We'll put it all in the description in below as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah you'll oh, no, I thought you're going to say,
I'm going to delete all of what you just said
because we don't want to be shadow bandy using the
word freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
If it's going to happen, it's going to happen, so
we'll go out guns blazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Oh yeah, let's go out with me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
But on our one hundredth episode.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
That thanks for having me on the hundredth episode.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm gonna make you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Ultra free here today promote the motherfucking ultra free. The
ultra free is it's everything that we've been talking about
really wrapped up in one message, which is we kind
of have to get back to being kids again and
feeling free. So anything that kind of keeps you caged
in or and it can be anything from something physical,

(01:01:45):
mental state of mind. It can be your government, it
can be you know, too much homework for somebody, it's
it's it's for some something for everybody kind of thing
to get back to feeling whatever makes you feel free
kind of thing. And everybody's been so ultra everything else,
but no one's really been ultra free lately. Everybody's totally

(01:02:06):
caged in. So that's kind of the message behind the brand.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I love that we.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Talk a lot about that too, like having outlets, you know,
for creativity, having outlets for exercise, Like we all have
kind of different ways of call it an outlet, call
it a way to be free, you know, it's it's
all liberating, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
But I think that's also as just as a human
existing here on earth, like it. Freedom is a goal,
you know, like to be able to like there's so
many different goals, right, I'm not going to sum it
up to just that. But if you have the ability
to be free, you had all the time in the
world to do whatever you wanted and you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Feel anything weighing down on you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Taxes and you know, a job, a career like all,
like you know, socially, you know, social systems where you
got to like put up a face and do all
this stuff. If you were just free to exist, Think
about how blissful, how peaceful that is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
That's for me building that truck, and you know, having
a trailer, I can go out in the middle of
the woods and not have a single cell signal or
a person around me and I'm just there. And that
recharge to me is I wouldn't trade it for anything,
you know, And I don't get it enough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
And as much as I'm a part of this world too,
you know, there's something about that that you can't replace,
you know, And so I love that. You know, you
guys have ultra free and that's what you're talking about,
because that is like, that's what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Well, we almost lost everything, so that was you know,
and you're saying taxes and this and that. I mean,
living in California, it's easy to lose at all. We
almost thought we were gonna be living in a trailer,
you know, yeah, not up here in the hills though,
in the flats man, you know, with a bunch of
other trailers. We were this close until I was like,

(01:03:50):
fuck it, how how can I How can I free
myself from this situation? And I not everybody is going
to have a luxury to do what I did. But
that's why I started that only fans page, so that
I could take that, save my house and then free
myself because I felt like I had a fucking noose
around my neck and start putting aside money to build

(01:04:12):
a company where I don't have to work within Hollywood anymore,
because I don't feel like a lot of these people
really nobody cares about each other. And I care about that.
I really care about caring about each other. Yeah, I
think it's important. And these people are savages and not
the good savage, you know, So that's what it was

(01:04:34):
born out of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Really, the greatest political document ever written in human history
is the United States Constitution.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Well all right, you're one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Well fully like die by that thought, like that is
no other time in human history have there been this
amount of people this free. And you know, I think
that's great to you know, have a company that represents
that and stands by that for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah, I mean it is that too. I mean it
is about America to a large degree. I'm I'm listen.
Since I'm a little girl, my favorite colors were red, white,
and blue. I don't know why, but they always were.
And I always said it red, white.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
And blue, you know, And I didn't mean to like
make it political or tie that to the you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Can make it political. Isn't everything political? Look and everything's political.
But I'm such a hippie that I'm just like and
people think that because I'm preaching freedom, that makes me
like a right wing supremacist, and I'm like, but it's
the opposite. Man, Like the fact that you want to
silence so many great journalists that are still out there

(01:05:37):
that are trying to bring you the truth. And now
they're pegged as liars and and even certain politicians that
are trying to help some not all because politicians or politicians,
but there are people out there trying to bring the
truth out there, and a lot of this shit is
not is not constitutional friendly. You know, they're they're trying

(01:05:57):
to mess with all of our rights. I mean, they're
trying to degrade I feel like to a large degree
all by design. And the ultra freedom thing is we
got to get back to you know, I know, the
whole hippie thing. Some people look at it like it
was a big sy op in the sixties. But for
people who don't know that that sort of stuff and

(01:06:18):
just think of hippies, like, we got to get back
to feeling like we're hippies that care about war and
hatred and people hating on each other. Like all these
crazy ideologies that came up where they were meant to
unify and all this equity and inclusivity, and all they
did was alienate everybody from each other. And that's not it.

(01:06:40):
That's not ultra freedom.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
That's yeah, we have this. We're in a time now
with social media and media and just everything in general
that's online. You're able to connect with people like never before,
you know, but I think people feel more disconnected than
they've ever felt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Yeah, it's a wild thing to think about. But it's
also a wild thing to be living in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Yeah, you know, it's really hard. It's really it's such
a deep thing. Like even with the politics of America
right now, I have been speaking out about a lot
of things. I'm not an actor that gets out and
talks about politics, like I would ever give a shit
about that stuff in my lifetime, But now that I
have kids, it's more about watching what happened in the
last three years. This isn't about politics anymore. This is

(01:07:23):
about humanity and what's happening to it in the face
of the politics that are being put forward With technology combined.
I mean, the bad shit's always been happening, but the
technology being out there being able to either manifest shit
for bad or for good, a lot of the bad
stuff's coming through amplifies It's dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
I mean, I look at everything, and I look at
the irony of France passing a law like yesterday where
it's illegal to criticize the vaccine, And now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I'm starting to get all excited. Now now I'm in
my element. I'm sorry, All.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Good, all good. Basically, the same day as a study
is released that you know, there were some adverse effects,
and that's YouTube. That's not me saying it. That's a
report from the Hill that we looked at over one
hundred million people and looked at the studies and the
adverse effects. So you have the same day, right, it's

(01:08:24):
like a lot of ban it, but here's a study
saying there's adverse effects. So like there's hypocrisy everywhere. You
just got to look for the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
I think with the hypocrisy too. It's like, you know,
there's been this whole I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
So excited you got that. You guys wanted me to
talk about acting. Now I'm like the podcast has really begun.
Let me lose.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
I'm just kidding there how much you have? No?

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Yeah, but it's it's been interesting to watch it from
an outside perspective to the degree of like people getting
let's say canceled, right, who chooses that? And why does
it seem like I choose.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
I'm going to be the person to choose to cancel
everybody now my new job.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Okay, just getting your hired.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
I would actually like to see that you But it's
but it's it seems like some people do the same
thing right and then other people, some are praised for it,
in others their entire career in life is destroyed because
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
It's like, how where's the where's the through line in
all of it? How does it make any sense? It's
just to me, I'm trying to trying to understand it
of like choosing these these people to be these examples, right,
these and then they go over and beyond in it.
But how does it? I don't even know what I'm
really trying to say here. Besides, like it's nuts. You

(01:09:48):
can't just be a human and make a mistake anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
I don't. But I don't even I really choose to
have more faith in human beings. I don't know, Like
you know, I've read some comments before of shit the
people say about me, or even stuff that people say
about other people out there, and I cannot believe how
angry society is. And I can't help but think that

(01:10:16):
part of it was created by design and just created
by the powers that be, even not even by design,
but the way they've positioned everything. I mean, everybody's they're
purposely turning people against each other. There's that half of
the people writing on the internet are bots. They're not
even or hired companies to degrade people to discredit them.

(01:10:40):
I mean, they don't want for example, I mean I
probably can't even mention these names on here, but like say,
somebody like Robert Kennedy, who has done so many insanely
amazing things for the environment and society, and he's a lawyer,
you know, he sued the right people for and defended
people who were who had issues with certain things, and

(01:11:02):
he's he was coined a hero if you look at
him at like his magazine covers back in back in
the nineties, and now he's considered this piece of shit
by the media. So whose fault is that? Do you
really think that these journalists said, look at Robert Kennedy,

(01:11:24):
what a piece of shit he is? Now they were
one hundred percent paid to do that, because no one
can look at this man's life path and say this
guy was a piece of shit. It's impossible, not even
and not even the most evil human being. And there
was a Vanity Fair article written about him where they
put him down so much. And then there's this amazing
journalist Jessica Reid Krause. She was the chick who followed

(01:11:46):
the whole Johnny depp amber heard trials, and she I
think her coverage of Johnny Depp basically like she got
the public to like win him over by her coverage.
It was really fucking funny, amazing, And now she's devoted
her life. She's lost half her followers, probably because that
was a pop culture follow and now she's got She's

(01:12:09):
following the whole election. She's following both. She's following Trump
and Kennedy and covering them because nobody will cover them
in the media. It's insane to see how it's just
controlled and it's managed, and it's not I really do
believe that people don't want to be that hateful, although
some of them the way they've been generated, you like,

(01:12:31):
you know, jumping around from going from house to house,
or a lot of these kids are so fucking entitled
and spoiled these days. And I don't really know if
it's the parents that aren't strict enough or I don't
know what it is, but but the sense of entitlement
and not having to work. We were talking about comedians
not having not even being allowed to be funny anymore.

(01:12:55):
I mean, funny is funny, like making fun of each
other and ourselves and everyone around us. That shit's funny.
We went to a comedy thing the other night for
a Kennedy fundraiser, and man, you had to hear them
rip And this is like the hippie crowd. So this
is the crowd of the crowd of people that we

(01:13:15):
used to be kind of thing, but you can't do
that in a regular crowd anymore. But they were ripping
on everyone, especially the whole woke ideology, which was super fun.
But if you do that in front of like some
little woke either gonna start crying and call on their mommy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
I always think of you know, Gina Carano is now
going back and suing Disney over that firing, right, and
like you're starting to see that come back, and like,
you know, it's like it's good to see some accountability
maybe to these large corporations that have done things that
may have not been leading the colleges.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
These colleges did to everybody, all these kids. It's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
You have a very valid point.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
I mean the way that things have been shifted, you know,
in the way that people react to things. It's like
I feel you see it all the time where I
just wish that people were able to heal more, you know,
whether it's through therapy or or whatever version of whatever
they need to get to that point. Because if someone
sits there and says something bad to me, right, it's
fully on me how I react to that. I can

(01:14:26):
get angry, I can I can get physical, I can
brush it off, I can smile, I can laugh at it.
I can be empathetic and understand that person's probably not
in a good place probably why they're saying something that
in the first place. You can have a million reactions
to it, right, So how are we at a point
in society where if you don't like something, or you
don't identify with something, or you don't like somebody did

(01:14:48):
something that made you mad, Now I'm the problem or
I have to deal with Right now, I know, and
I'm not sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
You know what, for the first time, I'm feel trigger.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
It's uncomfortable and this might be a me too moment.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
But that's I'm canceled. You're right, you did take the job.
I'm canceled, But no, it's it's that's on me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
You know that's my reaction, And why would I project
it onto somebody else to make it their problem.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
It's it's not fair. I need to take extreme ownership
of my own life, my own emotions, and yeah, some
things get me upset, something's pissed me off, some things
like make me happy, whatever the thing is. But why is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
It now that it's okay to just be a broken
version and not try to heal and then make that
everyone else's problem. I don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
I just feel like, let's all have confidence in who
we are, and I know that a lot of us don't.
I was one of the people who had no confidence.
We all grow into it, but you have to want
to grow into it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
This I heard it a while ago, and I actually
really enjoyed it. I enjoyed listening to people's answers. It's
if you could have breakfast, lunch, and dinner with three
different people, who would they be and what meal would
you eat with them?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Oh? My god, that is impossible. Yeah, that's a fucking
hard one. I would have to really think about that breakfast, lunch,
and dinner. You know what I'm gonna because I know
I can't come up with a really awesome thing to say.
I mean, I would pull my mother out of dementia,

(01:16:20):
I'd pull my father out of the grave, and then
I would have my two kids in the middle. I
would probably eat with all my with my family. I
love that the rest of these people.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
There you go, there you go. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Well, thanks for having me, guys, thanks for coming on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Yeah, this has been a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I got further canceled just every day, one more, one
podcast at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
No, no, we're gonna we're gonna bleep it out. So
it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Be says USA. We bleep it out freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
So much.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
We're coming. Honestly, that was like, it's been a huge
honor talking to you and hanging and getting a chat.
So I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Well, happy birthday, guys, Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yeah, we guys are older, We are old as shit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Yeah, all right, Penny, get over here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Thanks for tuning in to Studio twenty two.

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