February 6, 2024 • 56 mins
In this episode, hosts Brock O'Hurn and Will Meldman dive deep into the world of Bay Area hip hop with none other than the rising star, LaRussell. Hailing from Vallejo, California, LaRussell has quickly become one of the biggest independent rap artists making waves in the industry.
In this episode, join the dynamic duo as they embark on a captivating journey through the history of Bay Area hip hop and explore its promising future, guided by trailblazers like our guest, LaRussell. Get ready for an insightful conversation as they discuss the unique cultural influences that have shaped the sound of this iconic region.
Discover how LaRussell has defied industry norms by leveraging the power of social media to skyrocket his career without the backing of a record label or major distribution. Uncover the secrets behind his ingenious use of platforms to connect with fans and build a loyal following and a successful business in Good Compenny.
But that's not all – the episode takes a deep dive into LaRussell's game-changing approach to live performances. Learn how his intimate backyard shows and innovative donation-based payment model are challenging traditional industry standards and creating a revolution in the music scene. The hosts and LaRussell discuss the impact of this grassroots movement on both artists and fans, offering a fresh perspective on the evolving landscape of the music industry.
Join us in Studio 22 for a conversation that goes beyond the beats, exploring the passion, determination, and creativity that define the Bay Area hip hop scene. Don't miss out on this exclusive episode featuring one of the Bay's brightest stars, LaRussell! #Studio22 #BayAreaHipHop #LaRussell #MusicRevolution
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to Studio twenty two.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to Studio twenty two. I'm your host, Will Meldman
here as always with the beautiful Brock O'Hearn.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh, I'm beautiful.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's great to be beautiful, man.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You look beautiful. You sound terrible.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Though I feel I feel great, sound terrible for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We are joined tonight with a very special guest, a fellow.
They are your native, which is very close to my heart,
A legendary recording artist, l Russell.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Come on now, we got out good. I was. I
was waiting to see where you go.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He put he put the pressure on right, so good.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, came on legendary recording artists.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We'll take that, no, man, thanks for coming on, dude. Yeah,
I appreciate you. H Are you guys in town just
for the day or you came down.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Here till Sunday so we didn't now today? And then
I just did an album with hit Boys, so we
want to be shooting all the content for it Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
That's all videos or visualizers.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, a bunch of videos.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
How much how much goes into that? From from your
side creatively? Do you help them to make everything happen
or is it?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah? I mean my team is filming all of these,
so we're gonna use tomorrow to kind of scout and
go find some dope spots and then just shoot shit
on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Hell yeah, is that going to be local or is it?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, we're gonna be around here. I like to just
we'll just be driving, Like I said, we'll point from shit,
and it's like, that's a fucking shot, man, don't knock
it out.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
That's cool man, that's the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, that's like improvised location scouting.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah. Yeah, now it's dope because we be at home
and like we probably shot like a hundred plus and
we haven't left home really, Like this is just around
the neighborhood. Like every time were driving, we're seeing shit
and we're like next day we shoot, we hit now
and now and now and then we just run through them.
And these pieces been going viral and we haven't left home.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's amazing, is you guys first time leaving and doing
this then leaving home.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I mean, well we'll do like when I have shows,
like we we went to Charlotte recently and we shot
some out there, but usually we don't go shoot in
the other places. So yeah, this is one of our
first times doing like this big dump outside.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's great expanding. Yeah, it's gonna be that's cool. Man.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Have you been doing a lot of traveling and touring
or watch the schedule?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Last year we was on the road like crazy, and
I don't really love it. So we've been kind of
we've been home a lot motives, but still out a
little bit, but but more local.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
We just had to go from Charlotte and I'm like, yeah,
I don't want to go back to that side for
a while. The flight's too long. And ship we need
a new way to.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Travel, especially after a lot of traveling, right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Touring in general tough on people, right, Yeah, it's tall.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
You whooped, and then like when you get home you
just want to like sit there. You gotta get work
done still, and ship it's just is to I'd rather
be at home.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, if you don't, a man, if you don't got
to leave, why do it? You know?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Right, That's why we've been building like everything there, like
the venue and every I'm building everything at home, so
it's like we don't ever have to leave.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's cool. Man, yeah, I saw that in uh, North
Carolina with dam McBride. He brought Hollywood to him, you know,
so he didn't have to leave home, he said, with
his kids, his family, everything like that, and started building
out sets and filmed the whole show there. Now they're
doing all kinds of stuff, right, Damn. That's how you
do it, man, You bring it to you.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right everything Tyler has done too.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Right Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
They're doing a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was on set of a film in Vancouver too.
They're they're shooting so much stuff up there now and
it's really spread out and yeah, people are localizing it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah man, ud well, yeah, this I mean you kind
of pick and choose what you want to do and
how you want to create, right, there's no there's no
limitations to it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
And that shit is dope when you bring industry to
places where industry don't exist, like Balao has no industry infrastructure,
like this is the first that ship like this exists,
Like the fact that something that's happening of this magnitude
going out coming from the city is like a first,
like that ship should be. We shouldn't always have to
(04:20):
move to like La and Hollywood to to make to
get access to that resource.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I mean, you know, one of my favorite I guess
DVDs back in the day was Trial TV.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Watch it over again and like, you know, literally filming
around the Bay area right right, like right, And do
you feel like you're doing something similar in that regard
of just.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Content. Hell, especially now that we've been docking a lot more,
Like we just we just came from now and a
guy came up to me and he was like, I'll
be walking because your stroll like every day we do
these day Strove videos where I just walked and we
just talked and he was like, I'll be walking down
because those videos you feel me. So I feel like
that was the effect of Trial TV. It made niggas
(05:09):
want to be outside, like it's it's just a different
experience when you feel like you get to watch somebody
in their element.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Definitely in the zone doing their thing. Yeah yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Inspiring fans and inspiring people out there. It's got to
be fulfilling as hell, definitely.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I know we got a lot, We're going to cover
a lot to talk about, man, but I want to
know where did it start for you? You know, like
what was your first interest into making music, What was
your influence? You know, like where'd you get started, when'd
you take the first leap? You know, like what is
it for you?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
My intro into music my parents of course, of course,
like you grew up in there playing hell of shit,
but like a core memory, I remember where I was like,
I want to do something music. Well, naw, even before then,
I used to me and my sister had this boombox
(06:06):
and like we used to burn CDs with like instrumentals
and shit. Actually I don't even think we had the
instrumental and we were just rapping over the song while
but like that was like some early shit. I remember.
I just kind of enjoyed rapping with her. And then
like time passed and I didn't really do it much.
And I remember going on YouTube and I seen this
(06:26):
video Kanye West making this beat in the studio, and
it took me down this rabbit hole, Ryan Leslie and
all this different shit, and I was like, damn, I
want to produce, and that sent me down. It's on
whirlwind And I ended up finding the fl studio and
my sister had a boyfriend at the time who came
over and just taught me the basics. So I started
(06:47):
making hellt beats and then that shit kind of grew
and escalated and I started rapping over them and start
riding songs and it just kind of went from there.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's awesome, man.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, so really like a three hundred and sixty degree
angle on everything, right, You're like experimenting with every aspect
of music feeling and growing from that kind of definitely.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I mean just are in general like filming shit, writing
shit right in the middle. Like music is just music
is one branch on my tree, and the tree just
got hell of shit. Like I write books and everything.
I just do whatever the fuck comes to me creatively.
I just be trying to execute it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Wall I love that. What type of books are you writing?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Life books? My first book was called The Bullshit We
Tell Ourselves and then my last book I release is
called Limitless, and I'm about to release another book called
Leave Empty, and it's just be a life shit, just
shit like I'll be experiencing and little gems I come
across the life and I just put them all in
a little book. You know.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's cool?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Here?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, is your mind just going twenty four to seven?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Hell yeah? Sometimes it'd be tough. You're trying to sleep
and that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, I get it, bro, I get it. That's funny man.
Even even thinking about how you start with music too.
That was a very similar line with me with movies.
You know, I took a I wanted to do it
since I was young because that's what really what raised
me and that's why I grew up. That's what I
fell in love with since I could walk, talk any
of that. First thing I did was get a video camera.
Second I could and you know, film my brothers and sisters,
man do scenes and stuff. Man be a movie, uh
(08:29):
like Superheroes and stuff like that. Had my little brother
run and we had we had tapes, right, we didn't
even have I movie yet, so it was a video
cassette tape. You're filming. I'd have my brother sit in
one side and then I'd have him do a move
and then pose it and then moved the other side
and made it look like he ran really fast. Right,
It's like little things.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What what made you like? Did you study something or
you were just.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That was just me? Yeah, yeah, And then eventually I
got into I did like one year of theater, you know,
when I was twelve and not really like I had
a teacher that, you know, not so much influence for
my parents, but this one teacher just paid a lot
of attention to me and believed in me, and just
that he made me think I could be great. You
(09:15):
know that's hard. Yeah, And there was a brief time
in my life that I had the first time anyone
ever did that for me and I I was twelve
at that time, and I wanted to do that kind
of stuff since before I was since I was five,
you know, So that.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
It is so pivotal because it only takes one person
to do that for you throughout your journey. It only
takes one to do that, and it ascends you. Yeah,
is the reason you're doing what the fuck you're doing
today exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And then just like what you're doing, Man, imagine how
many people you're touching through your music, through your work,
through your art, through your books, you know, getting people,
like you said, getting them to you, just filming your
daily activities, inspiring them people do other stuff, you know,
even the walks right like that. It's just you got
to just create, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Right, just live live like that. That's why I like
the documenting process. I love the creation process. Too, because
when we go through visualizing, it's fun like being strategic,
but the docking process is just like it's a different
form of creation because it creates itself, like you do
nothing but whatever you do and and the pieces that
you give from that, it's like, you can't beat that
(10:16):
ship because I know I'm gonna have to wake up
and be me the rest of my life. So it's
like figuring that ship out it changed everything.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's one of the coolest things to though, you're waking
up and being you. You know, I feel like so
many people put on a face to try and be
somebody else. They're afraid to be themselves, right, I think
to a degree a lot of times. But if you
have the courage to stand and say this is me, dude,
that's that's when people make moves. That's when people inspire.
They do things that are remembered, you.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Know, right, And that's a process getting to that point,
the process, right you vulnerable?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Man? Right? Yeah? Creatively too. You saying with with all
the filming, how important is content now? Especially now? You
know we kind of talked about it before we started
the podcast, right with just creating in general, but man,
with content, how much has that become a part of
everything that you do.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I think content is as important as it's always been
in our lives. You grew up wanting to be an
actor because you've seen a piece of content like that.
It's always had that significance, but it didn't have the
word attached to it. So it's like, man, it's always
been important and vital, Like we're we thrive on great art,
(11:32):
like we need things to move us, and that's all
content is. How am I going to move you today?
That's all it is. It's nothing deeper, and it's always
existed throughout our journey. I seen Kanye making a VI
that was content and it was like, oh that changed
my life. It's still the same thing today. That never changed.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Do you think there's like a new kind of resurgence
with like video and music kind of combined, Like back
in the day there was like music videos and MTV right,
and now it's like social media and music. Do you
think that's like kind of this new renaissance with that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah. I feel like it's just transcended into a new form.
Like now, Man, when you come across the timeline and
you find something very aesthetically pleasing, and the sound is right.
It gets you. And that's always been the thing. I Uh.
One of my favorite songs is call Me, Call Me,
Call Me any anytime, Call Me, because the fucking Bride
(12:31):
of Chucky. I used to always watched that movie when
I was younger, and that song was in it. I
don't know that song from anything else, but that content,
that marriage of the visual and the sound. It did
it and that shit, that's how it works today. It's like, bro,
that's what you Those are the things that you want
to make. Like when we shoot some shit that's fired,
(12:52):
we all huddled up like, oh shit, because you get
that feeling.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah. Yeah, it's such a good point.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's such a stroke.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's a strong feeling that like, and it's got to
be executed right for it to stick. Like you hear
songs and a lot of shit throughout your journey, but
only certain ones stick to you, bruh. And the it's
the art with it. I remember I was watching it
was like an HBO special on Floyd Mayweather. He was
(13:21):
about to have a fight and they had this song
by an artist named Rory in it. It's called Devil's Prayer.
One of my favorite fucking songs because it's just like
they encompassed the feeling, the image, everything and it's stuck.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah. It's funny too because I've played around with that
a lot on different sets with friends, just filming stuff,
whatever it may be, even even scoring in movies. The
music that you attached to it changes everything, everything everything.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
You could put some funny ass music on some shit
and it changes the entire tone of the clip versus
something that's like deep and intimate, like it said, the move.
It really changes everything.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I have movies without sound.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah before hid.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, that's kind of wow. That's kind of wow.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, I'm just thinking this time and we were on
set and uh, it was Kentucky or something, filming something. Uh,
it was all vikings and everything and that. So there
was this one scene, this big fire. My buddies got
around the fire and we all had swords and stuff
like that. We're like battling, right, just like it was
all slow mo. It was epic, right, And I was
just messing around when we got back with the footage
and I started putting different songs on it, and like before,
(14:31):
it was like Metallica and it was all hardcore. It
was crazy, right, But then I put I put My
Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion, you know, from Titan,
And it was like it turned into like this romantic
dance these guys were I was like this, this is
not what we were going for. But it's amazing, you know,
like we were just having fun. Everyone was crying, laughing.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
You know, you can really get your message across exactly
if you want to paint the narrative or a certain messaging,
like having the right visual in the song's And it's
always been that way. Our favorite movies is just musicals.
It's just visuals. They got the right songs to them.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, and even like you can go even deeper too,
to like sound effects and or like a villain's voice,
right yeah, and like those things too will like stand out,
like Darth Vader's voice right like that everyone James Earl
Jones legend like that is just so glued to that
(15:28):
video in that image.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Right man, it's so deep sound design, like you get
we used to film, after we film the scene, we'll
go behind the scene with the boom mic and redo
it and kind of capture all the audio and just
adding those elements in after like right, it changes everything.
But it's it's like you're always trying to replicate the
(15:50):
world you know, and in the world, you don't just
see things. You see things, you hear things, you feel
things right, and you have to replicate that and in
your visual and if one thing's missing, that that takes
away that feeling like it be all it bey all.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I remember spending so much time on check like getting
those and being tracks.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like you're saying, it's just interesting to think about because
I have this quote that I love it. We don't
see the world as it is, we see it as
we are. I'm thinking about art that you're creating. Right,
You're showing your perception. You're showing your vision what you
see that maybe nobody else in the world can see, right,
but then other people can connect to You're doing it
in your own way and it's cool.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And that's why it's important for like everybody to have
their own form of art. Like you. You should never
be trying to create what someone else is created, because
it's like that steals the essence of everything that's going
to be special about your art. You have to make
shit that because all of us see the world completely different.
(16:49):
It's like if you grow up in the hood. You
don't see it as the hood until someone comes in
They're like, oh, you live in a hood, and it's like,
I do, you know? Like but like, because you you
only see things from your perspective.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's on that point too, you know, Like I found
that traveling changed my perspective. You know, we grew up
and now I really didn't have much at all, and
I had five brothers and sisters and moving all over
the place and kind of not so. I mean, they
a lot of them weren't very good areas. But when
I started traveling and I started seeing people in different cultures,
in different cities, you know. The first place I like,
(17:23):
I had a friend who's like, where do you want
to go? You know, And I made started making a
little bit of money, like just enough to travel on
one trip, right, And I never traveled anywhere. The farthest
place I could think I grew up in California was
New York, New York. I'm like, dude, I could have
gone to Spain, I could have gone to Brazil. I
thought New York Man. But it changed my life, you know,
it changed my perspective, and it was it was because
of that.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Same a trip to New York change my entire career. Yeah,
how so I had after I had put my job,
I had got a message. I used to go on Instagram,
Like anytime I see a music video or any piece
of content that I love, I looked for the credits
and for everybody, and then I go on Instagram and
message every single person I found in those credits right,
(18:04):
And I end up finding this guy named Michael Bickham,
and he worked for Vivo at the time, and I've
reached out and I was like, yo, I got this
sent my links and he was like, yo, this shit
is dope. And he was new there and they were
giving him the opportunity to pitch a series. So he
was like, I want to do this series called a Liftoff.
I want you to do the pilot so I could
(18:26):
pitch it to Vivo and he was like, I can't
pay you, but you could keep all the content that
we made. So I ended up going out of there,
out there and I'll take some of my homies and
it changed my life. Like what we did, I was like,
I have spent my last money. But when I was
on the way home, I was like, I need to
(18:46):
do this At home. I know I could do this,
and we just did three live performance sessions. But it
gave me just the blueprint and the idea for everything
I was doing the next few years.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's like we were talking about. You know, even I've
had that, I've had to pay you to be in something, right,
Like sometimes you gotta you're investing in yourself in that moment, right,
but look at the value that you got out of that.
That right invaluable long term where it's like, or you
could be stressing over the money, which is a very
normal thing to do, right, or you take the risk
and say I'm gonna spend it and I'm gonna try
this and see what happens on my fef fall fight
(19:19):
like fall flat on my ass. But you take the risk,
Look what happens.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You got to pay your dues. You gotta pay your dues.
Like everything you have to do and sacrifice to become
successful is the cost of success, right, and you have
to pay those dudes. And sometimes that shit look crazy,
but you have to.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
When you said it clicked, right, is that how much
of that is like songwriting and how much of that
is like video production? Is it just kind of all
at once? Like just that inspiration as a whole everything.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, everything, everything.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
From a producing standpoint, I mean, what did you do?
I mean what I said, what I've seen with at
least nine albums last year? Right, I think we did eight?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah, we did eight last year?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Eight or nine? Yea? How crazy is that? Man?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Man, I'd be having now one song.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I'd be having that bug. And I really, I really
try to embrace it, especially because it's funny. I was
just tweeting earlier about it because in twenty twenty one,
I have really six albums, and then that was like unprecedented,
You're gonna keep dropping. And every time we had meetings
it was like a man, he used to slow down
(20:34):
and this and if you did and you know, just
all this shit. And I recently had a call with
a distro and he was like, you know, we just
don't know if we can give you this because you've
done thirty albums and you know, it's like it's not there,
and it's like, bro, I've amassed a million followers and
I live in a company and I sell out shows.
It's like, yeah, I did thirty albums and I fucking
(20:55):
made it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
And like they it's just like it's not as embraced,
which is so crazy because in every other field they're
scoring titles, like they encourage you to score more of it.
In music, it's like tone it down. But it's like
I can't, I can't. That shit just be coming to
me and I got to share it, yea.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And you should. You should keep sharing them, man, you should.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Right. It's like it's like I'm painting and I'm just like, hey,
you just want to show what I paid, right, you
should never stop showing when.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
One of the best pieces of advice I got very
early on before I decided to commit to chasing my
dream right was I was clean this guy's trash out
of his backyard. I was like a trash harn company
at the time. And he was a professor and he
said I asked him. At the end of it, I
was like, because I found out his professor, I was like,
you have any good advice for me and my brother?
I hired my brother too. You were working here, man,
(21:45):
he said to me. He said, bring your own uniqueness
to the world. He said it to me, and I'm like, huh, well,
I'm not going to forget that one, right, And it
is that it's like you're doing you keep doing you,
and that's its own uniqueness to the look at anybody.
For me, obviously, it's easy for me to relate to
the film industry because I'm so in me and Will
are so in that world. Right when all of us
(22:08):
to a degree, right, everyone is to a degree. But
look at the people that you can think of that
stand out. They're the ones that made a difference. Right,
There's Tyler Perry, you got, you know, Sylvester Sloan, You've
got like Taylor shared, you got all these people that
are doing stuff that, like everyone said, don't do. Even
the Rock he's like earlier on he said they told
him to, you know, stop working out, stop doing this,
(22:29):
stop doing that. And it's the same thing they told
me coming in. I'm like, dude, I ain't doing that.
And because even me, my career is obviously not the Rocks.
But because I didn't listen, because I didn't cut my hair,
didn't stop working out and stop being me, dressing the
way and do whatever I hit on social media, and
that changed my life. If I kept doing that, I
would have maybe fit into a little box for a
little while that you know, wouldn't really gone anywhere. It
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didn't feel right, but right because I decided to be
me because I heard that quote.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Man, we were just me And Splash was talking with
his grandfather the other day. The quote that came out
of conversation was, you're only replaceable if you're not impactful.
People only replace the people who aren't impactful. But like
bringing your own uniqueness to the world, is that like
if you make a difference in anything, if you no
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one gets rid of the people who make a difference.
You know, that's always the way that you win.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And sometimes making an impact is taking a risk, right
like your New York trip or you know, like plenty
of other examples, it's like you got to put yourself
out there, and it's being vulnerable, it's you know, spending resources,
it's taking a risk.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think so many people, even and Lard, Even if
you do it on a high level, you can struggle
making and then it gets more stressful as you have
more eyeballs and more everything just grows and grows and grows.
But what you're doing, though, like from my perspective, I
would say is more important because if you have the
ability to put out that much some people don't put
out nine albums or eight albums in your career and
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to have to be good to like it's different.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
And that's the thing, Like I don't I don't cheat
the process for myself. Like if I don't love it,
I don't share it. So I have to make things
I love for me to even put it out into
the world. Like that's an agreement with myself. If I
don't love it, it's not coming out. So like for me,
it's like I have to share it because I enjoy these,
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I really love them. You know, I'm not making shit.
It's just like I just record today and need to
get something done. I don't even I don't even record often.
It's just like when I finally do get in whatever
I love in that pack is we got it, it gotta
come out. And I just think it's a disservice to
the world when you're making shit you love and you
don't share it, it doesn't It don't help nobody when
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it's just on your hard drive.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, I had it reminds me when I did this
audition this morning. The guy was like, there it is.
You're in the pocket.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
It's like when you get in it, man, and you're
getting a flow state, whatever it is, just run with.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
It, run with it. And you have to really, you
have to really put a blinder on in ear and
ear plugs in because everything will try to take you
out of that state, and even people who've never been
in that state will try to convince you that you
should operate in that state differently, you know, but you
just have to stay in that state because everyone don't
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get it, Like every every player doesn't get in the
game and get hot. Tell me. So it's like, if
you finally get hot, you have to shoot.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, that's for sure. How's it? Uh, how's the impact
been on you know, on people man, on the fans,
on your the how's of the response been to your
music being shared? Like? How how has that been for you? Man?
Is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Incredible. We recently started doing testimonials at the end of
our rehearsals and shows. And I went to a good
friend of mine's house for his birthday and he had
everyone due to testimonies, and I was like, man, we
used to do that shit. So we start doing it.
And I think the first one we did was the
kind of light show we did it at like this,
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but I did a candle light show in my backyard,
like really intimate, and we did the testimonies and they
were so special and deep, and it was like you
get to really see how much deeper it is than
you could ever really imagine. Like for me, it's like
I'm writing songs that I love and expressing my life
when I'm going through and I like to go make
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visualizers that I enjoy, But you don't know how that
should affect someone on the other end until they're really
on the mic sharing that and just man, it's so
much bigger than it takes. It so much deeper than
like a rapper fan connection, Like it's no longer just
data and numbers. It's like, nah, this shit, It's just
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it's so much bigger. It's so much bigger.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
That's got to be such like a driving force man
to keep going right, validation and you know this is
what I'm supposed to be doing. It's gotta be such
a great feeling.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Fact.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I think a fulfilled life is if you can even
help one person change their life for the better and
help them myself, you're able to do it on a
bigger scale than that which even you got the testimonies
to prove it all that that's everything, man, right, and
that's even anything that's more of a sign from wherever
you want to call it to keep going.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Man, And I'll be having to remind myself that that's
the win. It's like that is you did it. Like
once you get that, you made it right, and there's
nothing after. And I have to constantly remind myself that
when I get in that state of seeking, like, no, bro,
that's that's what everyone's truly after. And that's the thing
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you try to mask with money when you don't get
to get that feeling. Boy, I got really rich and
it's like you're not. You're not a great Yeah, but
that's really what it is. And I'll be reminding myself
of that, like, yeah, man.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
The w that it's that quote from Jim Carrey. He says,
I wish everyone could be rich and famous so they
could realize that it's not the answer. It doesn't It
doesn't make you happy. It doesn't you know, it might
be have a little bit of fun here and that, right,
but it's not everything, you know, right, That relationship that
we have with each other, with our community, with people
around us around the world. There's that's invaluable, man, real
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reason we're here, and.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
When you make when you make real impact, it just
hits a different part of your human that you don't get,
you don't get to tap into until you do something worthy.
You know, like you you just you don't get that
feeling unless you do something that earn you got to
earn that feeling.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, Oh absolutely, dude.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I mean the Bay Area has such a great group
of musicians coming out of there, right, not only hip
hop but classic rock.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I got the Grateful Dead.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Warriors hoodie on right here, but you know, hip hop
and raps specifically. When I think of they Area artists,
it's like each one is also incredibly unique.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Right right, Like they're only compared to that they don't
exist nowhere else on the hemisphere. Like forty is a
one of one E forty is from Valleo and has
an accent you can't like that's universal special sauce. You know,
it's like he's from Valleo. How does he talk like that?
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You feel me like that? That special sauce is just
it's very unique. Dre is very unique. It's like fucking UFOs.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, it's that, you know, being a part of that
like rich culture and like past, present, future, all of it.
Like how do you kind of see yourself in it? Stylistically?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Man, I feel like I'm a gumbo pop of all
of our favorite Bay Area.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Artists one of my favorite trade.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I feel like I'm that mix and balance of all
of our favorite Bay Area artists combined with some of
our favorite artists that are just regionally. I really, man,
I really feel like we're about to do something incredibly
special that hasn't been done in the region in a
very long time. Like we haven't. We just haven't had
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this moment that we're about to have this kind of
infrastructure coming out the city. It just hasn't existed yet,
you know. And it's beautiful to see because we had
so many people like building blocks for me to exist,
Like I got a lot of strong backs to be
able to stand on and be like this set the tone.
But I really feel like it's a special moment coming
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out that that we're overdoe on. The Bay Area contributes
so much the culture that is just it's overdue.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's awesome to hear. Man, It's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Honestly, Like growing up as you know, the mach Ray fan,
two short fan, E forty fan, all that, and then
seeing you come up on social media, you know, years ago,
and then being able to sit here and talk to
you about this. It's really really cool and special and
like I totally agree with you, man, Like the Bay
area is making moves right now, and you're obviously leading
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the charge in my in my wave.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
It's a wave, and it's a wave, and you could
you could feel it, you could feel that energy like
just when we be moving around the bay, like everybody
is so imbrasive and like it's just it's a wave
about to happen. It's gonna be beautiful.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Hell yeahs as far as that goes for anybody who listening,
whatever you can share, well, what how could you explain
what's happening up there, what's going on or what's next
for the band?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
For you, man, it's unexplainable. But if you come to
a backyard show or you come to my compound to
a rehearsal that we do, you'll get it. Even if
you just go on YouTube and you type in rehearsal
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and you watch one, you'll get it. It's something that
can't even really be elaborated with words. It's just it's
an experience. It's what content does for us. When it's
like you have to experience it for it to give
give you what it is. And it's like all you
got to do is take thirty minutes out your day
and go watch one of those, and you're gonna be
like fuck right, Like we really built, We've added our uniqueness,
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Like I've curated something at home in hip hop and
culture that you can't get nowhere else. There's nowhere else
in the world you could click on someone's live and
they're in a nigga's backyard rapping with Spice Wand or
Richie rich or you know, you never know. It don't
exist no more, especially in hip hop. We don't get
to see people rapping collaboratively, like together, having fun, live,
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like being their human cells. We only get to see
them in their superhero uniforms. Right, So it's like this
shit is met. It's hit. Like when we look back
in twenty thirty years and people are able to go
on YouTube and still see those videos, it's going to
be like, fuck, this was you know, this was a
special moment that you know, it's as special as the
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dmx is and the jay Z moments and it's just
having its time to cultivate. But it's it's incredble. We're
in the backyard.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, where did that spark from? Where did the backyard
shows come from? Or?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Man? I was I was spinning to a show in
Oakland and the venue I was using, the owner caused
me before the show and it's just hyper negative. It
was one of my first shows and I was doing
like tickets at the door and on it and it
was just so much negativity. I was like, I don't
even want to do the fucking show no more. And
I hated the feeling of someone talking me out of
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what I want to do and my passion. I didn't
enjoy him having that power because it made me feel powerless,
you know. And after that, I was just like, I
have to have my own shit. And it just to
me it's like the same as a studio, and I
was justized like I gotta have my own studio. This
is the only way is gonna make sense. And that
was just the inception. It was like I have to
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have my own shit.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah that's cool man.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, man, if you're if you're on a mission like that,
and you know you have all that energy behind you
and there's an obstacle there. I can only imagine, right,
I'm doing this regardless.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Right, And I would say on that note too, you
know it's YouTube is cool, right, It's great to reach
people that maybe wouldn't be able to come there. But
there's a power we're in presence. Man, There's there's something different,
a different energy when you show up to something like that.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
And we I remember when I first start doing the
live streams and throwing everything on YouTube. My pops was like,
you don't think He was like, do you think you
should give you know, people so much here if you're
doing it, hear and you want to come here? And
I was like, Nah, that shit promotional Like that's gonna
make you if you see a dope trailer you want
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to go see the movie, Like no one just sees
adult trailer, Like I don't want to see that. What
that shit does is like us live stream and make
people like I've gotta go. Like we literally built we
literally built the buzz of the backyard shows by showing
people clips of the backyard show. Right. The fact that
you can go watch a backyard show is the reason
you want to come to one.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
So I'm a total film thered and I like love
the fact that you know, like videos and videography is
such a big part of what you're doing. Who are
some of your favorite directors? Like what are some of
your favorite films? Like how did that kind of start?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Too?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I know we kind of covered how you got into shooting,
but like when it comes to are you a centophile.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
I don't. I don't really know a lot of directors
by name. I just know movies I love. But with
companies that start I remember Jason Blum Bloom or Bloom Bloom.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Dude, I've heard it, right, I.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Hear it both ways, right, But I was going, man,
me and me and my daughter's mom used to have
like a fucking cinemat pass, so we was always going
to see I love fucking movies, right, and I love
horror and Blumhouse was on a fucking run. It was like,
what the fuck they're doing everything? I kept seeing it
and it was like I love their ship and they
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get like horror is so intricate because the sound has
to be right, the lighting, the like every I have.
Really I start for a year because I wrote ap.
I wrote a couple of horror films, but I wrote
like a really dope one based on Valleo. So I
was just studying how you know, things had to be executed.
So Blumhouse. I love that ship. I love Jordan Peel ship.
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The Monkey part. I think it's is. I don't know
who produces these, but I really love the Knives Out film.
Oh yeah, that's always shot really well, and the story
and ship.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
He did the last Jedi the director, Oh yeah, was
it Guy Richie?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
No, no close, it's uh dude, I know I've.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Literally n.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
R I A.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
But yeah, like movies that ship and then music videos
Hype Williams of course wasn't big like all of our
fucking iconic music videos that we remember. It's like Hype
Williams ship. I love some of the younger I love
Cole Bennett ship like he always does New Intricate ship.
But yeah, I just be watching like I don't really
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I just like I see some ship and I'm like, wow,
that ship is really fucking doping. Yeah, you know, I
become a fan through that horror films that man my mama, man,
I used to be up like this. I fucking love horror.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Do you have I remember I got a couple of
moments with horror films growing up as a kid, and
maybe I shouldn't have been watching, but I'll never forget.
Do you have moments like that or do you have.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
A yeah, you remember there was an insurgence where paranormal
feels was the way like somebody figured out and we
ain't got to do ship, Like we ain't gotta do ship.
It was fucking up paranormal activity. I think it was.
It was like you know, and it just kind of
went from there, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
What, because everybody thinks they say a door shut or
something happening around the corner. Everybody thinks we all got
that ship to have.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Me the fuck up and then conjuring that was conjuring
was man, that was our ship for a minute, because
it was it was like.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
That was the first as an adult, I think even
that's the first movie I watched. I was like, as
I think it's the first time I actually got scared
from a horror. I was actually like, I like slept
on the couch that night. I'm like, we're not going to.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Watch It's about when the two kids go to their grandparents' house,
but it's not their grandparents.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
What I know. I know.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
So their mom sends them to like their parents house
on the train and ship, and then they ended up
getting there she's like, oh, you stay on there, grand
but she never sees them, and then she finally seem
she's like, that's not your grandparents, and it's like the
whole time they.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
They don't, they don't even tell you.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I forgot good ass one though, night Shyamalan did it right.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's sense. I'm pretty sure I don't.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Think this one them. Knight just did a movie called
Old Though, did y'all the olde the Beach? They that
ship is great? Yeah, he's great. Yeah, man, trying to
like getting that bad. I like writing ship like that.
Like I wrote a film called Nightmare on Mayor Island,
Nightmare Island based on Valayo, based on Mayor Island, and.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I like, can't we got to talk about these I'm
trying to figure out what the name of that movie? What?
What's your favorite? What's favorite horror movie? Is it Chucky?
Because the song.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
My favorite?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
And it's hard to pick a favorite, but like.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, extracist. That one scared the hell out of me.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
For sure, it'xtra just good. It got me when I
was little really Yeah. Well, I had like a cousin
that went outside in the backyard of my in my room.
I didn't even know he was there and just started
banging on the door.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I'm like, I think I had seen it was like, uh,
probably Child's play or it's.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Halloween too, Yeah, Halloween, dude.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
They did it.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
They did it.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
They figured that out.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Still doing it, man, still doing.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Dud Yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis still killing it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, they're crushing.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Man, dude.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I watched Spanish film Evil Lyrics here. I'll put it
up top three scariest movies I've ever seen, like its Possession,
It's animals and like, dude, I watched it with my
friend the other night and like I've never I don't
think I've been that scared watching the movie.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
And in twenty years.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Maybe what was that movie that we watched. I think
it's like Australian directors or something so babaduck that was Australian.
It's the one where where they have the hand and
they get.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
At the very end.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's a good one that it was good.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Fuck, bro, that was a great movie and it was
like Scar.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah that was.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
As forget the name too, but.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
It's not a scary movie. But y'all seen Parasite.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, great movie.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Phenomenal Korea.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Oh man, I don't. I mean, we gotta jump. We
can keep going on, but but uh, tell us about
uh your company, make Good Company?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Where did it come from? Like what is it? And
you know, tell us more about it.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
I don't remember like the exact inception, but I know
I got a logo from twenty sixteen, which is like
the first ship and uh, I remember I just like
to saying your mama, say just by the company you keep,
you know, like Penny's just like undervalue type ship, underdog
type ship. And yeah, I don't really remember why I
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made it in particularly, but it was just a home.
It just felt like since high school, I've always kind
of made like just groups for me and my homies
to kind of exist within you feel me. A Good
Company Company was one of those. And it was just
like I was just doing my homies do art, I
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do art, make cool shit, and it's like let's all
put it under here, you feel me, and it just
kind of built out. It's start building out into like
a full service thing. And then I met Tiata and
newer people who helped me with the marketing and social
media and that, and it just kind of built into
this resource hub.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
I think coming together as creatives too, it's like so important.
Like we talked about that a lot, like that team
building process, right.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Bro, I love. We'll be filming and it'll start with
one idea from one person and then everybody you just
start seeing the boom boom boom boom and it and
it ends up just all those hundred ideas make this
one big thing. It's like a fucking house. The house
is made up of twenty thousand pieces of material to
make one house, you know, And that that's how it
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feels when you're working with your homies.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
And you can and one person can build a house, yes,
but to build a real house, or to get it
done or in the way that you want to envisions
something like this, not one dude's not building us.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
And you know, if you if you if you built
the whole house alone and you got to the end
and you looked at that house and there's no one
to high five besides you, It's just like.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Unless you really just want to be alone.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, it's it's who you share with. Man, right, and
that's any good I mean, great songs, right, great film,
great companies, great like things that have changed the world
have come from. Yeah, sometimes there's one person spearheaded leading
the way. But at the same time, if you're a
good leader, you're also able to take you know, advice
and opinions and be not be not let your ego
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take over, but say, hey, man, let the best idea
win and let's do this collaboratively to make something great.
So everybody rises.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
You know, all your fingers are useful. Yeah, it's like, bro,
you need all of them.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
But this little guy that's cool. Man, how h I know,
there's there's obviously been a lot of highs and a
lot more coming, but how would have been some lows?
It would have been some difficult challenges that you've had
to overcome on your journey. If you want to share.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Being broke, yeah, it's always yeah, that's always a challenge.
Really just I mean, nothing's really a low, you know,
like it's just a part of the journey and the
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process and life life kind of takes you through that
and ship, every everything, everything has duality to me, everything
I experience has a high end a low. It's like
making a lot of money gives me high, and it
also comes with a low, like all of this pressure
and and everything that comes to making money, like everything
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everything that comes, everything that comes with being successful, Like
becoming successful as a high. It's like you know, you
want to succeed, but it's also like there's so many
things that come with that ship and and it's always
a sacrifice, right, Like your cost of success sometimes is
your your privacy, your freedom. Yet every everything you know
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you have changes, So every everything I experienced in life
has like this high and low, and I'm always figuring
out you know, I always got to figure out how
to navigate and it into a space where you know,
I understand it and I'm okay with with the choices
I made.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
I mean, that's life too. Life is filled with ebs
and flows, right, It's not it's never linear, so and
that makes it not boring also.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Right Yeah, man, Like that was so well said with
that duality part of it of like, you know, it's
all a journey, so it's all about how you look
at it, what you're going to take from it, and
you know, moving forward, for sure.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
And I think a lot of those lows too, especially
for an artist, you know, like I have. I have
known broke very me and me and being broke have
been very close for a long time, like I know,
And it changes you in a way, you know, and
it changes your perspective and then your gratitude and then
the way you respond to things. And you know, we
had over a year where we only ate top Romans,
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that's all we could afford, right, And you sit there
and you're like, I don't know how in the hell
I still like top Ramen, right, but it's damn good. Right.
But but it's like I don't want that, you know,
I don't want that from I don't want to have to,
you know, steal food or bake somebody to buy me,
you know, groceries or something like that. It sucks. It's
but at the same time, like if I didn't have
that scale, man, yeah, you know, and also knowing what
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it's like to be in those shoes, dude, you know,
it's like not everyone gets that. And I'm grateful for
those experiences. I'm grateful because as it taught me lessons, right,
and life is filled with these lessons and failure for
me and what I've adopted. You know, it's only the
opportunity to more intelligently begin again. You take that. It's
not a loss. Man. Every great that's ever been has
failed over and over and over to become great. Right,
(48:16):
you fail one hundred times more than you succeed. But
that's the difference between a winner and loser. Is just
a loser that went one more time, right, somebody that
doesn't quit. And that's where great art comes from. Man, really.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Well elaborated.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
In that flow state. Man, sitting with you, man, talking
with you. Listen to your mind, man, listening to your process,
your journey. It's like it's inspiring, it's exciting. I'm excited
for you, bro, Like you have a you know they
don't see it, but you know, a whole entourage with you.
People you can tell just you man, Yeah, you guys
are doing cool stuff. You're doing great stuff. You're out
here doing stuff.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Man, that that is my thing I'd like to execute.
I don't like the talk about it like yeah, gotta
I gotta get it done, because it's just so much
easier to show you, you feel me, Like, it's so
much easier to show somebody and man, that's really the
let That's why I was asking you. And now I'm like, man,
do you shoot in India? Do you go pitch it first?
(49:12):
Cause I've been I've been in that state where now
I'm like, man, just get it done. And then that
that's all the pitching and proof that you need. You know,
even the conversations you get to have are different when
you've done it versus you telling someone you're going to
do it.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
It's crazy, Like, dude, I look back at myself sometimes
I'm like I just I could.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Have done that, right, or like, but it's you're right, man.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I think that's why, like we were talking about earlier,
like mentors and stuff and whether it's a mentor or
a friend or something like one little piece of advice
or conversation you know, can lead to so many different things,
not referencing what we were just discussing, but like just
in general for people out there, right, And it's that's
(50:00):
why we always try to say, you know, you never
know how you're going to affect someone's day, so just
always you know, try to stay positive, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
It's that impact, right, It's just like I've always called them,
you know, for me in my life defining moments. You know.
It's like that video with Kanye that you saw is
a defining memory exactly, core memory that you lashed on.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
The memory is from out.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah. Yeah, that's it, man, that's it.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
That's the way you get it to stick.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah. Yeah. And that philosophy of I'd rather show you
than tell you. You know, I can't tell you. You already
know how valuable it is. I can't even begin to
tell you valuable is especially like I can't tell you
trying to come up in Hollywood, trying to make away,
try to book anything, trying to tell someone I'm an
actor when I've never acted anything. You know, it doesn't
it doesn't make any sense. But at the same time,
(50:54):
you across the world, there's so many people that will say,
I'm gonna I'm a writer you know right now, Well
you've been writing for eight years, but you never wrote
a word, you know, Or they'll talk about it, but
they won't do it right. And it's scary. You know,
success is scary for people. Man, It's scary for a
lot of people to take that leap to get out
of your comfort zone where you're at, you know, but.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
You know, sometimes I'm extremely grateful for like the process
I had to go through, because I used to be
in meetings trying to explain everything I'm doing now, and
it's just it's like you can't explain some shit that
hasn't been done. It's just very difficult for anyone to
(51:33):
believe you. And it forced me to have to go
get it done just so I could be like, this
is what I'm talking about, and this is what I
need for you know.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Hell yeah, with that position too, that say you're in
that meeting, Well you talking about in the beginning, when
you have that meeting and everyone thinks you're crazy, or
they don't understand it, or they don't identify with it.
Whatever the thing is, you went and did it. Now
you can show it, you can prove it, and now
you're in that mean it's a different meeting. It's a
much different meeting. It even puts you in a difference,
and I think that's important, you know, And that's something
(52:03):
to think about too with people that are out there
trying to create, trying to make stuff, trying to make
a dream happen, doing something. It's not easy to build
a dream man, There's no guarantee there's no you know,
seat real like there's no real path that you can
follow the blueprint print. Yeah, and it could take you
on any which way. And that's really it's not a
linear thing. It takes you every way, you know, Like
(52:24):
this conversation where to change.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Art, there's no one way to win the game. Yeah,
with art, there's a million ways to get a trophy,
and you just have to figure out when that works
for you.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
When I'm like editing a video or something, I just
get so lost and like I could change the background
and then I can change the color of the background,
and then I can make the clips shorter or long,
like I just I go crazy and telling like no, no,
like this is good. Like I'll go ask Brocket's opinion, right,
and then I'll know we're shop it.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
But yeah, it's like it's it's like chasing perfection, but
you never there is no perfection. You can't you can't
achieve that, you know. And the beauty in that too
is the same thing as us in our in our
human life and our experience here. It's that's what makes
us great, is none of us are perfect. How boring
would perfect be? You know, it's that imperfection that makes
(53:22):
someone beautiful, their little quirks, the way they think, the
music they put out, like the way they see the world,
you know, Like that's the stuff that's cool, right yeah?
Hell yeah bro, yeah man, this is dope.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
But yeah, man, what's uh? So? You got the backyard shows,
you got all You're gonna change the world, you know what?
What are some exciting things coming up for you? What
are some things that we can help promote for you? Dude?
Is there anything like?
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Man, I've just been on a musical run lately and
I've been making a lot of shit I love. You know.
We're about to drop a hit boy album to Go
and it's about to come out, and it's gonna be
a moment. It's a really dope moment for me because
Hippoy made niggas in Paris, you know, and me and
my pop when I was young and used to ride
(54:11):
around when I was with him on his runs and
we used to play that ship that whole album, but
that used to always hit. And it's like for me
to get to a point now where we're in the
same studio creating things together, and my creative opinion has
been valued and respective for what I do. It's just like, yeah, man,
it's that reminder, like, Bro, everything and anything is possible,
(54:36):
go forward, Like I would have never imagine when I
was watching those fucking Kanye videos. You know that I
at this point, but it's like I did nothing but
the work.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
That's it right there. Man, that's so cool. I'm so
excited for you. Man, I can't wait to hear that.
It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
That's cool man, and you are that and you're gonna
be that for for other people too, man, you know before,
how cool is that? Right? I can definitely resonate with that.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
I've worked with some people where I was like, Bro,
I watched you growing up and I'm standing across from
you doing that. What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (55:09):
You can't beat that. No, you can't beat that feeling.
And those are it's one of those earned feelings like
you have to work your ass off to even get that. Yeah,
but it's you can't beat that feeling, like those are
the ones you live for, like you have to go
make things happen.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, man, The Life of a Dreamer. Man, it's good.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
That's his episode title.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, that was it there we go. It all right man,
Well how we've been cruising? Right? That's good?
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Yeah? Good yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Of course, of course I'm inspired. Thank you for watching
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to Studio twenty two. I'm your host, Will Meldman
here as always with the beautiful Brock O'Hearn.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh, I'm beautiful.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's great to be beautiful, man.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You look beautiful. You sound terrible.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Though I feel I feel great, sound terrible for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We are joined tonight with a very special guest, a fellow.
They are your native, which is very close to my heart,
A legendary recording artist, l Russell.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Come on now, we got out good. I was. I
was waiting to see where you go.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He put he put the pressure on right, so good.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, came on legendary recording artists.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We'll take that, no, man, thanks for coming on, dude. Yeah,
I appreciate you. H Are you guys in town just
for the day or you came down.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Here till Sunday so we didn't now today? And then
I just did an album with hit Boys, so we
want to be shooting all the content for it Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
That's all videos or visualizers.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, a bunch of videos.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
How much how much goes into that? From from your
side creatively? Do you help them to make everything happen
or is it?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah? I mean my team is filming all of these,
so we're gonna use tomorrow to kind of scout and
go find some dope spots and then just shoot shit
on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Hell yeah, is that going to be local or is it?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, we're gonna be around here. I like to just
we'll just be driving, Like I said, we'll point from shit,
and it's like, that's a fucking shot, man, don't knock
it out.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
That's cool man, that's the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, that's like improvised location scouting.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah. Yeah, now it's dope because we be at home
and like we probably shot like a hundred plus and
we haven't left home really, Like this is just around
the neighborhood. Like every time were driving, we're seeing shit
and we're like next day we shoot, we hit now
and now and now and then we just run through them.
And these pieces been going viral and we haven't left home.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's amazing, is you guys first time leaving and doing
this then leaving home.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I mean, well we'll do like when I have shows,
like we we went to Charlotte recently and we shot
some out there, but usually we don't go shoot in
the other places. So yeah, this is one of our
first times doing like this big dump outside.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's great expanding. Yeah, it's gonna be that's cool. Man.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Have you been doing a lot of traveling and touring
or watch the schedule?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Last year we was on the road like crazy, and
I don't really love it. So we've been kind of
we've been home a lot motives, but still out a
little bit, but but more local.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
We just had to go from Charlotte and I'm like, yeah,
I don't want to go back to that side for
a while. The flight's too long. And ship we need
a new way to.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Travel, especially after a lot of traveling, right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Touring in general tough on people, right, Yeah, it's tall.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
You whooped, and then like when you get home you
just want to like sit there. You gotta get work
done still, and ship it's just is to I'd rather
be at home.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, if you don't, a man, if you don't got
to leave, why do it? You know?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Right, That's why we've been building like everything there, like
the venue and every I'm building everything at home, so
it's like we don't ever have to leave.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's cool. Man, yeah, I saw that in uh, North
Carolina with dam McBride. He brought Hollywood to him, you know,
so he didn't have to leave home, he said, with
his kids, his family, everything like that, and started building
out sets and filmed the whole show there. Now they're
doing all kinds of stuff, right, Damn. That's how you
do it, man, You bring it to you.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right everything Tyler has done too.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Right Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
They're doing a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was on set of a film in Vancouver too.
They're they're shooting so much stuff up there now and
it's really spread out and yeah, people are localizing it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah man, ud well, yeah, this I mean you kind
of pick and choose what you want to do and
how you want to create, right, there's no there's no
limitations to it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
And that shit is dope when you bring industry to
places where industry don't exist, like Balao has no industry infrastructure,
like this is the first that ship like this exists,
Like the fact that something that's happening of this magnitude
going out coming from the city is like a first,
like that ship should be. We shouldn't always have to
(04:20):
move to like La and Hollywood to to make to
get access to that resource.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I mean, you know, one of my favorite I guess
DVDs back in the day was Trial TV.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Watch it over again and like, you know, literally filming
around the Bay area right right, like right, And do
you feel like you're doing something similar in that regard
of just.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Content. Hell, especially now that we've been docking a lot more,
Like we just we just came from now and a
guy came up to me and he was like, I'll
be walking because your stroll like every day we do
these day Strove videos where I just walked and we
just talked and he was like, I'll be walking down
because those videos you feel me. So I feel like
that was the effect of Trial TV. It made niggas
(05:09):
want to be outside, like it's it's just a different
experience when you feel like you get to watch somebody
in their element.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Definitely in the zone doing their thing. Yeah yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Inspiring fans and inspiring people out there. It's got to
be fulfilling as hell, definitely.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I know we got a lot, We're going to cover
a lot to talk about, man, but I want to
know where did it start for you? You know, like
what was your first interest into making music, What was
your influence? You know, like where'd you get started, when'd
you take the first leap? You know, like what is
it for you?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
My intro into music my parents of course, of course,
like you grew up in there playing hell of shit,
but like a core memory, I remember where I was like,
I want to do something music. Well, naw, even before then,
I used to me and my sister had this boombox
(06:06):
and like we used to burn CDs with like instrumentals
and shit. Actually I don't even think we had the
instrumental and we were just rapping over the song while
but like that was like some early shit. I remember.
I just kind of enjoyed rapping with her. And then
like time passed and I didn't really do it much.
And I remember going on YouTube and I seen this
(06:26):
video Kanye West making this beat in the studio, and
it took me down this rabbit hole, Ryan Leslie and
all this different shit, and I was like, damn, I
want to produce, and that sent me down. It's on
whirlwind And I ended up finding the fl studio and
my sister had a boyfriend at the time who came
over and just taught me the basics. So I started
(06:47):
making hellt beats and then that shit kind of grew
and escalated and I started rapping over them and start
riding songs and it just kind of went from there.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's awesome, man.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, so really like a three hundred and sixty degree
angle on everything, right, You're like experimenting with every aspect
of music feeling and growing from that kind of definitely.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I mean just are in general like filming shit, writing
shit right in the middle. Like music is just music
is one branch on my tree, and the tree just
got hell of shit. Like I write books and everything.
I just do whatever the fuck comes to me creatively.
I just be trying to execute it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Wall I love that. What type of books are you writing?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Life books? My first book was called The Bullshit We
Tell Ourselves and then my last book I release is
called Limitless, and I'm about to release another book called
Leave Empty, and it's just be a life shit, just
shit like I'll be experiencing and little gems I come
across the life and I just put them all in
a little book. You know.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's cool?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Here?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, is your mind just going twenty four to seven?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Hell yeah? Sometimes it'd be tough. You're trying to sleep
and that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, I get it, bro, I get it. That's funny man.
Even even thinking about how you start with music too.
That was a very similar line with me with movies.
You know, I took a I wanted to do it
since I was young because that's what really what raised
me and that's why I grew up. That's what I
fell in love with since I could walk, talk any
of that. First thing I did was get a video camera.
Second I could and you know, film my brothers and sisters,
man do scenes and stuff. Man be a movie, uh
(08:29):
like Superheroes and stuff like that. Had my little brother
run and we had we had tapes, right, we didn't
even have I movie yet, so it was a video
cassette tape. You're filming. I'd have my brother sit in
one side and then I'd have him do a move
and then pose it and then moved the other side
and made it look like he ran really fast. Right,
It's like little things.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What what made you like? Did you study something or
you were just.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That was just me? Yeah, yeah, And then eventually I
got into I did like one year of theater, you know,
when I was twelve and not really like I had
a teacher that, you know, not so much influence for
my parents, but this one teacher just paid a lot
of attention to me and believed in me, and just
that he made me think I could be great. You
(09:15):
know that's hard. Yeah, And there was a brief time
in my life that I had the first time anyone
ever did that for me and I I was twelve
at that time, and I wanted to do that kind
of stuff since before I was since I was five,
you know, So that.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
It is so pivotal because it only takes one person
to do that for you throughout your journey. It only
takes one to do that, and it ascends you. Yeah,
is the reason you're doing what the fuck you're doing
today exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And then just like what you're doing, Man, imagine how
many people you're touching through your music, through your work,
through your art, through your books, you know, getting people,
like you said, getting them to you, just filming your
daily activities, inspiring them people do other stuff, you know,
even the walks right like that. It's just you got
to just create, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Right, just live live like that. That's why I like
the documenting process. I love the creation process. Too, because
when we go through visualizing, it's fun like being strategic,
but the docking process is just like it's a different
form of creation because it creates itself, like you do
nothing but whatever you do and and the pieces that
you give from that, it's like, you can't beat that
(10:16):
ship because I know I'm gonna have to wake up
and be me the rest of my life. So it's
like figuring that ship out it changed everything.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's one of the coolest things to though, you're waking
up and being you. You know, I feel like so
many people put on a face to try and be
somebody else. They're afraid to be themselves, right, I think
to a degree a lot of times. But if you
have the courage to stand and say this is me, dude,
that's that's when people make moves. That's when people inspire.
They do things that are remembered, you.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Know, right, And that's a process getting to that point,
the process, right you vulnerable?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Man? Right? Yeah? Creatively too. You saying with with all
the filming, how important is content now? Especially now? You
know we kind of talked about it before we started
the podcast, right with just creating in general, but man,
with content, how much has that become a part of
everything that you do.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I think content is as important as it's always been
in our lives. You grew up wanting to be an
actor because you've seen a piece of content like that.
It's always had that significance, but it didn't have the
word attached to it. So it's like, man, it's always
been important and vital, Like we're we thrive on great art,
(11:32):
like we need things to move us, and that's all
content is. How am I going to move you today?
That's all it is. It's nothing deeper, and it's always
existed throughout our journey. I seen Kanye making a VI
that was content and it was like, oh that changed
my life. It's still the same thing today. That never changed.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Do you think there's like a new kind of resurgence
with like video and music kind of combined, Like back
in the day there was like music videos and MTV right,
and now it's like social media and music. Do you
think that's like kind of this new renaissance with that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah. I feel like it's just transcended into a new form.
Like now, Man, when you come across the timeline and
you find something very aesthetically pleasing, and the sound is right.
It gets you. And that's always been the thing. I Uh.
One of my favorite songs is call Me, Call Me,
Call Me any anytime, Call Me, because the fucking Bride
(12:31):
of Chucky. I used to always watched that movie when
I was younger, and that song was in it. I
don't know that song from anything else, but that content,
that marriage of the visual and the sound. It did
it and that shit, that's how it works today. It's like, bro,
that's what you Those are the things that you want
to make. Like when we shoot some shit that's fired,
(12:52):
we all huddled up like, oh shit, because you get
that feeling.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah. Yeah, it's such a good point.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's such a stroke.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's a strong feeling that like, and it's got to
be executed right for it to stick. Like you hear
songs and a lot of shit throughout your journey, but
only certain ones stick to you, bruh. And the it's
the art with it. I remember I was watching it
was like an HBO special on Floyd Mayweather. He was
(13:21):
about to have a fight and they had this song
by an artist named Rory in it. It's called Devil's Prayer.
One of my favorite fucking songs because it's just like
they encompassed the feeling, the image, everything and it's stuck.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah. It's funny too because I've played around with that
a lot on different sets with friends, just filming stuff,
whatever it may be, even even scoring in movies. The
music that you attached to it changes everything, everything everything.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
You could put some funny ass music on some shit
and it changes the entire tone of the clip versus
something that's like deep and intimate, like it said, the move.
It really changes everything.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I have movies without sound.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah before hid.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, that's kind of wow. That's kind of wow.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, I'm just thinking this time and we were on
set and uh, it was Kentucky or something, filming something. Uh,
it was all vikings and everything and that. So there
was this one scene, this big fire. My buddies got
around the fire and we all had swords and stuff
like that. We're like battling, right, just like it was
all slow mo. It was epic, right, And I was
just messing around when we got back with the footage
and I started putting different songs on it, and like before,
(14:31):
it was like Metallica and it was all hardcore. It
was crazy, right, But then I put I put My
Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion, you know, from Titan,
And it was like it turned into like this romantic
dance these guys were I was like this, this is
not what we were going for. But it's amazing, you know,
like we were just having fun. Everyone was crying, laughing.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
You know, you can really get your message across exactly
if you want to paint the narrative or a certain messaging,
like having the right visual in the song's And it's
always been that way. Our favorite movies is just musicals.
It's just visuals. They got the right songs to them.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, and even like you can go even deeper too,
to like sound effects and or like a villain's voice,
right yeah, and like those things too will like stand out,
like Darth Vader's voice right like that everyone James Earl
Jones legend like that is just so glued to that
(15:28):
video in that image.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Right man, it's so deep sound design, like you get
we used to film, after we film the scene, we'll
go behind the scene with the boom mic and redo
it and kind of capture all the audio and just
adding those elements in after like right, it changes everything.
But it's it's like you're always trying to replicate the
(15:50):
world you know, and in the world, you don't just
see things. You see things, you hear things, you feel
things right, and you have to replicate that and in
your visual and if one thing's missing, that that takes
away that feeling like it be all it bey all.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I remember spending so much time on check like getting
those and being tracks.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like you're saying, it's just interesting to think about because
I have this quote that I love it. We don't
see the world as it is, we see it as
we are. I'm thinking about art that you're creating. Right,
You're showing your perception. You're showing your vision what you
see that maybe nobody else in the world can see, right,
but then other people can connect to You're doing it
in your own way and it's cool.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And that's why it's important for like everybody to have
their own form of art. Like you. You should never
be trying to create what someone else is created, because
it's like that steals the essence of everything that's going
to be special about your art. You have to make
shit that because all of us see the world completely different.
(16:49):
It's like if you grow up in the hood. You
don't see it as the hood until someone comes in
They're like, oh, you live in a hood, and it's like,
I do, you know? Like but like, because you you
only see things from your perspective.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's on that point too, you know, Like I found
that traveling changed my perspective. You know, we grew up
and now I really didn't have much at all, and
I had five brothers and sisters and moving all over
the place and kind of not so. I mean, they
a lot of them weren't very good areas. But when
I started traveling and I started seeing people in different cultures,
in different cities, you know. The first place I like,
(17:23):
I had a friend who's like, where do you want
to go? You know, And I made started making a
little bit of money, like just enough to travel on
one trip, right, And I never traveled anywhere. The farthest
place I could think I grew up in California was
New York, New York. I'm like, dude, I could have
gone to Spain, I could have gone to Brazil. I
thought New York Man. But it changed my life, you know,
it changed my perspective, and it was it was because
of that.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Same a trip to New York change my entire career. Yeah,
how so I had after I had put my job,
I had got a message. I used to go on Instagram,
Like anytime I see a music video or any piece
of content that I love, I looked for the credits
and for everybody, and then I go on Instagram and
message every single person I found in those credits right,
(18:04):
And I end up finding this guy named Michael Bickham,
and he worked for Vivo at the time, and I've
reached out and I was like, yo, I got this
sent my links and he was like, yo, this shit
is dope. And he was new there and they were
giving him the opportunity to pitch a series. So he
was like, I want to do this series called a Liftoff.
I want you to do the pilot so I could
(18:26):
pitch it to Vivo and he was like, I can't
pay you, but you could keep all the content that
we made. So I ended up going out of there,
out there and I'll take some of my homies and
it changed my life. Like what we did, I was like,
I have spent my last money. But when I was
on the way home, I was like, I need to
(18:46):
do this At home. I know I could do this,
and we just did three live performance sessions. But it
gave me just the blueprint and the idea for everything
I was doing the next few years.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's like we were talking about. You know, even I've
had that, I've had to pay you to be in something, right,
Like sometimes you gotta you're investing in yourself in that moment, right,
but look at the value that you got out of that.
That right invaluable long term where it's like, or you
could be stressing over the money, which is a very
normal thing to do, right, or you take the risk
and say I'm gonna spend it and I'm gonna try
this and see what happens on my fef fall fight
(19:19):
like fall flat on my ass. But you take the risk,
Look what happens.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You got to pay your dues. You gotta pay your dues.
Like everything you have to do and sacrifice to become
successful is the cost of success, right, and you have
to pay those dudes. And sometimes that shit look crazy,
but you have to.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
When you said it clicked, right, is that how much
of that is like songwriting and how much of that
is like video production? Is it just kind of all
at once? Like just that inspiration as a whole everything.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, everything, everything.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
From a producing standpoint, I mean, what did you do?
I mean what I said, what I've seen with at
least nine albums last year? Right, I think we did eight?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah, we did eight last year?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Eight or nine? Yea? How crazy is that? Man?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Man, I'd be having now one song.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I'd be having that bug. And I really, I really
try to embrace it, especially because it's funny. I was
just tweeting earlier about it because in twenty twenty one,
I have really six albums, and then that was like unprecedented,
You're gonna keep dropping. And every time we had meetings
it was like a man, he used to slow down
(20:34):
and this and if you did and you know, just
all this shit. And I recently had a call with
a distro and he was like, you know, we just
don't know if we can give you this because you've
done thirty albums and you know, it's like it's not there,
and it's like, bro, I've amassed a million followers and
I live in a company and I sell out shows.
It's like, yeah, I did thirty albums and I fucking
(20:55):
made it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You feel me?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
And like they it's just like it's not as embraced,
which is so crazy because in every other field they're
scoring titles, like they encourage you to score more of it.
In music, it's like tone it down. But it's like
I can't, I can't. That shit just be coming to
me and I got to share it, yea.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And you should. You should keep sharing them, man, you should.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Right. It's like it's like I'm painting and I'm just like, hey,
you just want to show what I paid, right, you
should never stop showing when.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
One of the best pieces of advice I got very
early on before I decided to commit to chasing my
dream right was I was clean this guy's trash out
of his backyard. I was like a trash harn company
at the time. And he was a professor and he
said I asked him. At the end of it, I
was like, because I found out his professor, I was like,
you have any good advice for me and my brother?
I hired my brother too. You were working here, man,
(21:45):
he said to me. He said, bring your own uniqueness
to the world. He said it to me, and I'm like, huh, well,
I'm not going to forget that one, right, And it
is that it's like you're doing you keep doing you,
and that's its own uniqueness to the look at anybody.
For me, obviously, it's easy for me to relate to
the film industry because I'm so in me and Will
are so in that world. Right when all of us
(22:08):
to a degree, right, everyone is to a degree. But
look at the people that you can think of that
stand out. They're the ones that made a difference. Right,
There's Tyler Perry, you got, you know, Sylvester Sloan, You've
got like Taylor shared, you got all these people that
are doing stuff that, like everyone said, don't do. Even
the Rock he's like earlier on he said they told
him to, you know, stop working out, stop doing this,
(22:29):
stop doing that. And it's the same thing they told
me coming in. I'm like, dude, I ain't doing that.
And because even me, my career is obviously not the Rocks.
But because I didn't listen, because I didn't cut my hair,
didn't stop working out and stop being me, dressing the
way and do whatever I hit on social media, and
that changed my life. If I kept doing that, I
would have maybe fit into a little box for a
little while that you know, wouldn't really gone anywhere. It
(22:51):
didn't feel right, but right because I decided to be
me because I heard that quote.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Man, we were just me And Splash was talking with
his grandfather the other day. The quote that came out
of conversation was, you're only replaceable if you're not impactful.
People only replace the people who aren't impactful. But like
bringing your own uniqueness to the world, is that like
if you make a difference in anything, if you no
(23:18):
one gets rid of the people who make a difference.
You know, that's always the way that you win.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And sometimes making an impact is taking a risk, right
like your New York trip or you know, like plenty
of other examples, it's like you got to put yourself
out there, and it's being vulnerable, it's you know, spending resources,
it's taking a risk.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think so many people, even and Lard, Even if
you do it on a high level, you can struggle
making and then it gets more stressful as you have
more eyeballs and more everything just grows and grows and grows.
But what you're doing, though, like from my perspective, I
would say is more important because if you have the
ability to put out that much some people don't put
out nine albums or eight albums in your career and
(24:03):
to have to be good to like it's different.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
And that's the thing, Like I don't I don't cheat
the process for myself. Like if I don't love it,
I don't share it. So I have to make things
I love for me to even put it out into
the world. Like that's an agreement with myself. If I
don't love it, it's not coming out. So like for me,
it's like I have to share it because I enjoy these,
(24:26):
I really love them. You know, I'm not making shit.
It's just like I just record today and need to
get something done. I don't even I don't even record often.
It's just like when I finally do get in whatever
I love in that pack is we got it, it gotta
come out. And I just think it's a disservice to
the world when you're making shit you love and you
don't share it, it doesn't It don't help nobody when
(24:48):
it's just on your hard drive.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, I had it reminds me when I did this
audition this morning. The guy was like, there it is.
You're in the pocket.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
It's like when you get in it, man, and you're
getting a flow state, whatever it is, just run with.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
It, run with it. And you have to really, you
have to really put a blinder on in ear and
ear plugs in because everything will try to take you
out of that state, and even people who've never been
in that state will try to convince you that you
should operate in that state differently, you know, but you
just have to stay in that state because everyone don't
(25:23):
get it, Like every every player doesn't get in the
game and get hot. Tell me. So it's like, if
you finally get hot, you have to shoot.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, that's for sure. How's it? Uh, how's the impact
been on you know, on people man, on the fans,
on your the how's of the response been to your
music being shared? Like? How how has that been for you? Man?
Is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Incredible. We recently started doing testimonials at the end of
our rehearsals and shows. And I went to a good
friend of mine's house for his birthday and he had
everyone due to testimonies, and I was like, man, we
used to do that shit. So we start doing it.
And I think the first one we did was the
kind of light show we did it at like this,
(26:08):
but I did a candle light show in my backyard,
like really intimate, and we did the testimonies and they
were so special and deep, and it was like you
get to really see how much deeper it is than
you could ever really imagine. Like for me, it's like
I'm writing songs that I love and expressing my life
when I'm going through and I like to go make
(26:28):
visualizers that I enjoy, But you don't know how that
should affect someone on the other end until they're really
on the mic sharing that and just man, it's so
much bigger than it takes. It so much deeper than
like a rapper fan connection, Like it's no longer just
data and numbers. It's like, nah, this shit, It's just
(26:52):
it's so much bigger. It's so much bigger.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
That's got to be such like a driving force man
to keep going right, validation and you know this is
what I'm supposed to be doing. It's gotta be such
a great feeling.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Fact.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I think a fulfilled life is if you can even
help one person change their life for the better and
help them myself, you're able to do it on a
bigger scale than that which even you got the testimonies
to prove it all that that's everything, man, right, and
that's even anything that's more of a sign from wherever
you want to call it to keep going.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Man, And I'll be having to remind myself that that's
the win. It's like that is you did it. Like
once you get that, you made it right, and there's
nothing after. And I have to constantly remind myself that
when I get in that state of seeking, like, no, bro,
that's that's what everyone's truly after. And that's the thing
(27:47):
you try to mask with money when you don't get
to get that feeling. Boy, I got really rich and
it's like you're not. You're not a great Yeah, but
that's really what it is. And I'll be reminding myself
of that, like, yeah, man.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
The w that it's that quote from Jim Carrey. He says,
I wish everyone could be rich and famous so they
could realize that it's not the answer. It doesn't It
doesn't make you happy. It doesn't you know, it might
be have a little bit of fun here and that, right,
but it's not everything, you know, right, That relationship that
we have with each other, with our community, with people
around us around the world. There's that's invaluable, man, real
(28:23):
reason we're here, and.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
When you make when you make real impact, it just
hits a different part of your human that you don't get,
you don't get to tap into until you do something worthy.
You know, like you you just you don't get that
feeling unless you do something that earn you got to
earn that feeling.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, Oh absolutely, dude.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I mean the Bay Area has such a great group
of musicians coming out of there, right, not only hip
hop but classic rock.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I got the Grateful Dead.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Warriors hoodie on right here, but you know, hip hop
and raps specifically. When I think of they Area artists,
it's like each one is also incredibly unique.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Right right, Like they're only compared to that they don't
exist nowhere else on the hemisphere. Like forty is a
one of one E forty is from Valleo and has
an accent you can't like that's universal special sauce. You know,
it's like he's from Valleo. How does he talk like that?
(29:37):
You feel me like that? That special sauce is just
it's very unique. Dre is very unique. It's like fucking UFOs.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, it's that, you know, being a part of that
like rich culture and like past, present, future, all of it.
Like how do you kind of see yourself in it? Stylistically?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Man, I feel like I'm a gumbo pop of all
of our favorite Bay Area.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Artists one of my favorite trade.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I feel like I'm that mix and balance of all
of our favorite Bay Area artists combined with some of
our favorite artists that are just regionally. I really, man,
I really feel like we're about to do something incredibly
special that hasn't been done in the region in a
very long time. Like we haven't. We just haven't had
(30:42):
this moment that we're about to have this kind of
infrastructure coming out the city. It just hasn't existed yet,
you know. And it's beautiful to see because we had
so many people like building blocks for me to exist,
Like I got a lot of strong backs to be
able to stand on and be like this set the tone.
But I really feel like it's a special moment coming
(31:03):
out that that we're overdoe on. The Bay Area contributes
so much the culture that is just it's overdue.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's awesome to hear. Man, It's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Honestly, Like growing up as you know, the mach Ray fan,
two short fan, E forty fan, all that, and then
seeing you come up on social media, you know, years ago,
and then being able to sit here and talk to
you about this. It's really really cool and special and
like I totally agree with you, man, Like the Bay
area is making moves right now, and you're obviously leading
(31:37):
the charge in my in my wave.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
It's a wave, and it's a wave, and you could
you could feel it, you could feel that energy like
just when we be moving around the bay, like everybody
is so imbrasive and like it's just it's a wave
about to happen. It's gonna be beautiful.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Hell yeahs as far as that goes for anybody who listening,
whatever you can share, well, what how could you explain
what's happening up there, what's going on or what's next
for the band?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
For you, man, it's unexplainable. But if you come to
a backyard show or you come to my compound to
a rehearsal that we do, you'll get it. Even if
you just go on YouTube and you type in rehearsal
(32:28):
and you watch one, you'll get it. It's something that
can't even really be elaborated with words. It's just it's
an experience. It's what content does for us. When it's
like you have to experience it for it to give
give you what it is. And it's like all you
got to do is take thirty minutes out your day
and go watch one of those, and you're gonna be
like fuck right, Like we really built, We've added our uniqueness,
(32:54):
Like I've curated something at home in hip hop and
culture that you can't get nowhere else. There's nowhere else
in the world you could click on someone's live and
they're in a nigga's backyard rapping with Spice Wand or
Richie rich or you know, you never know. It don't
exist no more, especially in hip hop. We don't get
to see people rapping collaboratively, like together, having fun, live,
(33:18):
like being their human cells. We only get to see
them in their superhero uniforms. Right, So it's like this
shit is met. It's hit. Like when we look back
in twenty thirty years and people are able to go
on YouTube and still see those videos, it's going to
be like, fuck, this was you know, this was a
special moment that you know, it's as special as the
(33:38):
dmx is and the jay Z moments and it's just
having its time to cultivate. But it's it's incredble. We're
in the backyard.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, where did that spark from? Where did the backyard
shows come from? Or?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Man? I was I was spinning to a show in
Oakland and the venue I was using, the owner caused
me before the show and it's just hyper negative. It
was one of my first shows and I was doing
like tickets at the door and on it and it
was just so much negativity. I was like, I don't
even want to do the fucking show no more. And
I hated the feeling of someone talking me out of
(34:14):
what I want to do and my passion. I didn't
enjoy him having that power because it made me feel powerless,
you know. And after that, I was just like, I
have to have my own shit. And it just to
me it's like the same as a studio, and I
was justized like I gotta have my own studio. This
is the only way is gonna make sense. And that
was just the inception. It was like I have to
(34:35):
have my own shit.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah that's cool man.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, man, if you're if you're on a mission like that,
and you know you have all that energy behind you
and there's an obstacle there. I can only imagine, right,
I'm doing this regardless.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Right, And I would say on that note too, you
know it's YouTube is cool, right, It's great to reach
people that maybe wouldn't be able to come there. But
there's a power we're in presence. Man, There's there's something different,
a different energy when you show up to something like that.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
And we I remember when I first start doing the
live streams and throwing everything on YouTube. My pops was like,
you don't think He was like, do you think you
should give you know, people so much here if you're
doing it, hear and you want to come here? And
I was like, Nah, that shit promotional Like that's gonna
make you if you see a dope trailer you want
(35:25):
to go see the movie, Like no one just sees
adult trailer, Like I don't want to see that. What
that shit does is like us live stream and make
people like I've gotta go. Like we literally built we
literally built the buzz of the backyard shows by showing
people clips of the backyard show. Right. The fact that
you can go watch a backyard show is the reason
you want to come to one.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
So I'm a total film thered and I like love
the fact that you know, like videos and videography is
such a big part of what you're doing. Who are
some of your favorite directors? Like what are some of
your favorite films? Like how did that kind of start?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Too?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I know we kind of covered how you got into shooting,
but like when it comes to are you a centophile.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
I don't. I don't really know a lot of directors
by name. I just know movies I love. But with
companies that start I remember Jason Blum Bloom or Bloom Bloom.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Dude, I've heard it, right, I.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Hear it both ways, right, But I was going, man,
me and me and my daughter's mom used to have
like a fucking cinemat pass, so we was always going
to see I love fucking movies, right, and I love
horror and Blumhouse was on a fucking run. It was like,
what the fuck they're doing everything? I kept seeing it
and it was like I love their ship and they
(36:47):
get like horror is so intricate because the sound has
to be right, the lighting, the like every I have.
Really I start for a year because I wrote ap.
I wrote a couple of horror films, but I wrote
like a really dope one based on Valleo. So I
was just studying how you know, things had to be executed.
So Blumhouse. I love that ship. I love Jordan Peel ship.
(37:11):
The Monkey part. I think it's is. I don't know
who produces these, but I really love the Knives Out film.
Oh yeah, that's always shot really well, and the story
and ship.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
He did the last Jedi the director, Oh yeah, was
it Guy Richie?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
No, no close, it's uh dude, I know I've.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Literally n.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
R I A.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
But yeah, like movies that ship and then music videos
Hype Williams of course wasn't big like all of our
fucking iconic music videos that we remember. It's like Hype
Williams ship. I love some of the younger I love
Cole Bennett ship like he always does New Intricate ship.
But yeah, I just be watching like I don't really
(38:05):
I just like I see some ship and I'm like, wow,
that ship is really fucking doping. Yeah, you know, I
become a fan through that horror films that man my mama, man,
I used to be up like this. I fucking love horror.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Do you have I remember I got a couple of
moments with horror films growing up as a kid, and
maybe I shouldn't have been watching, but I'll never forget.
Do you have moments like that or do you have.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
A yeah, you remember there was an insurgence where paranormal
feels was the way like somebody figured out and we
ain't got to do ship, Like we ain't gotta do ship.
It was fucking up paranormal activity. I think it was.
It was like you know, and it just kind of
went from there, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
What, because everybody thinks they say a door shut or
something happening around the corner. Everybody thinks we all got
that ship to have.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Me the fuck up and then conjuring that was conjuring
was man, that was our ship for a minute, because
it was it was like.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
That was the first as an adult, I think even
that's the first movie I watched. I was like, as
I think it's the first time I actually got scared
from a horror. I was actually like, I like slept
on the couch that night. I'm like, we're not going to.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Watch It's about when the two kids go to their grandparents' house,
but it's not their grandparents.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
What I know. I know.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
So their mom sends them to like their parents house
on the train and ship, and then they ended up
getting there she's like, oh, you stay on there, grand
but she never sees them, and then she finally seem
she's like, that's not your grandparents, and it's like the
whole time they.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
They don't, they don't even tell you.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I forgot good ass one though, night Shyamalan did it right.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's sense. I'm pretty sure I don't.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Think this one them. Knight just did a movie called
Old Though, did y'all the olde the Beach? They that
ship is great? Yeah, he's great. Yeah, man, trying to
like getting that bad. I like writing ship like that.
Like I wrote a film called Nightmare on Mayor Island,
Nightmare Island based on Valayo, based on Mayor Island, and.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I like, can't we got to talk about these I'm
trying to figure out what the name of that movie? What?
What's your favorite? What's favorite horror movie? Is it Chucky?
Because the song.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
My favorite?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
And it's hard to pick a favorite, but like.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, extracist. That one scared the hell out of me.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
For sure, it'xtra just good. It got me when I
was little really Yeah. Well, I had like a cousin
that went outside in the backyard of my in my room.
I didn't even know he was there and just started
banging on the door.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I'm like, I think I had seen it was like, uh,
probably Child's play or it's.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Halloween too, Yeah, Halloween, dude.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
They did it.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
They did it.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
They figured that out.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Still doing it, man, still doing.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Dud Yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis still killing it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, they're crushing.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Man, dude.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I watched Spanish film Evil Lyrics here. I'll put it
up top three scariest movies I've ever seen, like its Possession,
It's animals and like, dude, I watched it with my
friend the other night and like I've never I don't
think I've been that scared watching the movie.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
And in twenty years.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Maybe what was that movie that we watched. I think
it's like Australian directors or something so babaduck that was Australian.
It's the one where where they have the hand and
they get.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
At the very end.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's a good one that it was good.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Fuck, bro, that was a great movie and it was
like Scar.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah that was.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
As forget the name too, but.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
It's not a scary movie. But y'all seen Parasite.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, great movie.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Phenomenal Korea.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Oh man, I don't. I mean, we gotta jump. We
can keep going on, but but uh, tell us about
uh your company, make Good Company?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Where did it come from? Like what is it? And
you know, tell us more about it.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
I don't remember like the exact inception, but I know
I got a logo from twenty sixteen, which is like
the first ship and uh, I remember I just like
to saying your mama, say just by the company you keep,
you know, like Penny's just like undervalue type ship, underdog
type ship. And yeah, I don't really remember why I
(42:55):
made it in particularly, but it was just a home.
It just felt like since high school, I've always kind
of made like just groups for me and my homies
to kind of exist within you feel me. A Good
Company Company was one of those. And it was just
like I was just doing my homies do art, I
(43:16):
do art, make cool shit, and it's like let's all
put it under here, you feel me, and it just
kind of built out. It's start building out into like
a full service thing. And then I met Tiata and
newer people who helped me with the marketing and social
media and that, and it just kind of built into
this resource hub.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
I think coming together as creatives too, it's like so important.
Like we talked about that a lot, like that team
building process, right.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Bro, I love. We'll be filming and it'll start with
one idea from one person and then everybody you just
start seeing the boom boom boom boom and it and
it ends up just all those hundred ideas make this
one big thing. It's like a fucking house. The house
is made up of twenty thousand pieces of material to
make one house, you know, And that that's how it
(44:07):
feels when you're working with your homies.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
And you can and one person can build a house, yes,
but to build a real house, or to get it
done or in the way that you want to envisions
something like this, not one dude's not building us.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
And you know, if you if you if you built
the whole house alone and you got to the end
and you looked at that house and there's no one
to high five besides you, It's just like.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Unless you really just want to be alone.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, it's it's who you share with. Man, right, and
that's any good I mean, great songs, right, great film,
great companies, great like things that have changed the world
have come from. Yeah, sometimes there's one person spearheaded leading
the way. But at the same time, if you're a
good leader, you're also able to take you know, advice
and opinions and be not be not let your ego
(44:57):
take over, but say, hey, man, let the best idea
win and let's do this collaboratively to make something great.
So everybody rises.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
You know, all your fingers are useful. Yeah, it's like, bro,
you need all of them.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
But this little guy that's cool. Man, how h I know,
there's there's obviously been a lot of highs and a
lot more coming, but how would have been some lows?
It would have been some difficult challenges that you've had
to overcome on your journey. If you want to share.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Being broke, yeah, it's always yeah, that's always a challenge.
Really just I mean, nothing's really a low, you know,
like it's just a part of the journey and the
(45:48):
process and life life kind of takes you through that
and ship, every everything, everything has duality to me, everything
I experience has a high end a low. It's like
making a lot of money gives me high, and it
also comes with a low, like all of this pressure
and and everything that comes to making money, like everything
(46:11):
everything that comes, everything that comes with being successful, Like
becoming successful as a high. It's like you know, you
want to succeed, but it's also like there's so many
things that come with that ship and and it's always
a sacrifice, right, Like your cost of success sometimes is
your your privacy, your freedom. Yet every everything you know
(46:33):
you have changes, So every everything I experienced in life
has like this high and low, and I'm always figuring
out you know, I always got to figure out how
to navigate and it into a space where you know,
I understand it and I'm okay with with the choices
I made.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
I mean, that's life too. Life is filled with ebs
and flows, right, It's not it's never linear, so and
that makes it not boring also.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Right Yeah, man, Like that was so well said with
that duality part of it of like, you know, it's
all a journey, so it's all about how you look
at it, what you're going to take from it, and
you know, moving forward, for sure.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
And I think a lot of those lows too, especially
for an artist, you know, like I have. I have
known broke very me and me and being broke have
been very close for a long time, like I know,
And it changes you in a way, you know, and
it changes your perspective and then your gratitude and then
the way you respond to things. And you know, we
had over a year where we only ate top Romans,
(47:30):
that's all we could afford, right, And you sit there
and you're like, I don't know how in the hell
I still like top Ramen, right, but it's damn good. Right.
But but it's like I don't want that, you know,
I don't want that from I don't want to have to,
you know, steal food or bake somebody to buy me,
you know, groceries or something like that. It sucks. It's
but at the same time, like if I didn't have
that scale, man, yeah, you know, and also knowing what
(47:53):
it's like to be in those shoes, dude, you know,
it's like not everyone gets that. And I'm grateful for
those experiences. I'm grateful because as it taught me lessons, right,
and life is filled with these lessons and failure for
me and what I've adopted. You know, it's only the
opportunity to more intelligently begin again. You take that. It's
not a loss. Man. Every great that's ever been has
failed over and over and over to become great. Right,
(48:16):
you fail one hundred times more than you succeed. But
that's the difference between a winner and loser. Is just
a loser that went one more time, right, somebody that
doesn't quit. And that's where great art comes from. Man, really.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Well elaborated.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
In that flow state. Man, sitting with you, man, talking
with you. Listen to your mind, man, listening to your process,
your journey. It's like it's inspiring, it's exciting. I'm excited
for you, bro, Like you have a you know they
don't see it, but you know, a whole entourage with you.
People you can tell just you man, Yeah, you guys
are doing cool stuff. You're doing great stuff. You're out
here doing stuff.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Man, that that is my thing I'd like to execute.
I don't like the talk about it like yeah, gotta
I gotta get it done, because it's just so much
easier to show you, you feel me, Like, it's so
much easier to show somebody and man, that's really the
let That's why I was asking you. And now I'm like, man,
do you shoot in India? Do you go pitch it first?
(49:12):
Cause I've been I've been in that state where now
I'm like, man, just get it done. And then that
that's all the pitching and proof that you need. You know,
even the conversations you get to have are different when
you've done it versus you telling someone you're going to
do it.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
It's crazy, Like, dude, I look back at myself sometimes
I'm like I just I could.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Have done that, right, or like, but it's you're right, man.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I think that's why, like we were talking about earlier,
like mentors and stuff and whether it's a mentor or
a friend or something like one little piece of advice
or conversation you know, can lead to so many different things,
not referencing what we were just discussing, but like just
in general for people out there, right, And it's that's
(50:00):
why we always try to say, you know, you never
know how you're going to affect someone's day, so just
always you know, try to stay positive, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
It's that impact, right, It's just like I've always called them,
you know, for me in my life defining moments. You know.
It's like that video with Kanye that you saw is
a defining memory exactly, core memory that you lashed on.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
The memory is from out.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah. Yeah, that's it, man, that's it.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
That's the way you get it to stick.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah. Yeah. And that philosophy of I'd rather show you
than tell you. You know, I can't tell you. You already
know how valuable it is. I can't even begin to
tell you valuable is especially like I can't tell you
trying to come up in Hollywood, trying to make away,
try to book anything, trying to tell someone I'm an
actor when I've never acted anything. You know, it doesn't
it doesn't make any sense. But at the same time,
(50:54):
you across the world, there's so many people that will say,
I'm gonna I'm a writer you know right now, Well
you've been writing for eight years, but you never wrote
a word, you know, Or they'll talk about it, but
they won't do it right. And it's scary. You know,
success is scary for people. Man, It's scary for a
lot of people to take that leap to get out
of your comfort zone where you're at, you know, but.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
You know, sometimes I'm extremely grateful for like the process
I had to go through, because I used to be
in meetings trying to explain everything I'm doing now, and
it's just it's like you can't explain some shit that
hasn't been done. It's just very difficult for anyone to
(51:33):
believe you. And it forced me to have to go
get it done just so I could be like, this
is what I'm talking about, and this is what I
need for you know.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Hell yeah, with that position too, that say you're in
that meeting, Well you talking about in the beginning, when
you have that meeting and everyone thinks you're crazy, or
they don't understand it, or they don't identify with it.
Whatever the thing is, you went and did it. Now
you can show it, you can prove it, and now
you're in that mean it's a different meeting. It's a
much different meeting. It even puts you in a difference,
and I think that's important, you know, And that's something
(52:03):
to think about too with people that are out there
trying to create, trying to make stuff, trying to make
a dream happen, doing something. It's not easy to build
a dream man, There's no guarantee there's no you know,
seat real like there's no real path that you can
follow the blueprint print. Yeah, and it could take you
on any which way. And that's really it's not a
linear thing. It takes you every way, you know, Like
(52:24):
this conversation where to change.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Art, there's no one way to win the game. Yeah,
with art, there's a million ways to get a trophy,
and you just have to figure out when that works
for you.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
When I'm like editing a video or something, I just
get so lost and like I could change the background
and then I can change the color of the background,
and then I can make the clips shorter or long,
like I just I go crazy and telling like no, no,
like this is good. Like I'll go ask Brocket's opinion, right,
and then I'll know we're shop it.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
But yeah, it's like it's it's like chasing perfection, but
you never there is no perfection. You can't you can't
achieve that, you know. And the beauty in that too
is the same thing as us in our in our
human life and our experience here. It's that's what makes
us great, is none of us are perfect. How boring
would perfect be? You know, it's that imperfection that makes
(53:22):
someone beautiful, their little quirks, the way they think, the
music they put out, like the way they see the world,
you know, Like that's the stuff that's cool, right yeah?
Hell yeah bro, yeah man, this is dope.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
But yeah, man, what's uh? So? You got the backyard shows,
you got all You're gonna change the world, you know what?
What are some exciting things coming up for you? What
are some things that we can help promote for you? Dude?
Is there anything like?
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Man, I've just been on a musical run lately and
I've been making a lot of shit I love. You know.
We're about to drop a hit boy album to Go
and it's about to come out, and it's gonna be
a moment. It's a really dope moment for me because
Hippoy made niggas in Paris, you know, and me and
my pop when I was young and used to ride
(54:11):
around when I was with him on his runs and
we used to play that ship that whole album, but
that used to always hit. And it's like for me
to get to a point now where we're in the
same studio creating things together, and my creative opinion has
been valued and respective for what I do. It's just like, yeah, man,
it's that reminder, like, Bro, everything and anything is possible,
(54:36):
go forward, Like I would have never imagine when I
was watching those fucking Kanye videos. You know that I
at this point, but it's like I did nothing but
the work.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
That's it right there. Man, that's so cool. I'm so
excited for you. Man, I can't wait to hear that.
It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
That's cool man, and you are that and you're gonna
be that for for other people too, man, you know before,
how cool is that? Right? I can definitely resonate with that.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
I've worked with some people where I was like, Bro,
I watched you growing up and I'm standing across from
you doing that. What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (55:09):
You can't beat that. No, you can't beat that feeling.
And those are it's one of those earned feelings like
you have to work your ass off to even get that. Yeah,
but it's you can't beat that feeling, like those are
the ones you live for, like you have to go
make things happen.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, man, The Life of a Dreamer. Man, it's good.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
That's his episode title.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, that was it there we go. It all right man,
Well how we've been cruising? Right? That's good?
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Yeah? Good yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Of course, of course I'm inspired. Thank you for watching
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