Episode 319 "Tye Tribbett"

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
I go by the name of Farri. I go by
the name you know, bt CEE T for that time,
driven and the build.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Shriven man, grab you.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
Time. He got.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Three of them, the father then all three you're supposed
say amen. After that you can do whatever you want.
You hold it down.

Speaker 6 (01:00):
That's all I said, hey man, before Kurk Franklin, I
mean with Kirk Franklin, I feel like kicked it off
when he like kind of merged like you know, hip
hop with gospel like made it kind of cool.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
And you know I knew him when I was like
very very young, but I knew that type of music.
But you know, it seemed like a shift happened, you know,
after him and it was like, you know, you had
Mary Mary, and then you had Ti Trivia, and it's
like you guys just had a like a new way
of like relating to everybody, like especially the culture you

(01:35):
know what I'm saying, and mixing it with gospel and
making it cool.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Thank you for that. It's just crazy to be in
that line when you say kurk the Mary marry and
then time, Oh that's me.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
And you brought the energy.

Speaker 7 (01:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
You was always like that.

Speaker 8 (01:51):
So my dad played the organ in the church, you
know what I mean. My mom was at the choir director.
So I always wild see them like you know, So
when I started playing or whatever, I just always energetic,
always brought it. So I didn't know I was energetic
or crazy till I went like outside my little family church,
you know what I mean, with our fifty members, they
oh that's my cousin.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
They all know time crazy. But when I when I
would go out, whoa, I'm like what what? You know
what I'm saying?

Speaker 8 (02:14):
So I always had this energy. I've always had this
like this thing. And you know, I'm glad people don't
kick me out of churches no more.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
Can we go back now, we can't assume everybody know
like this is this is the Barler Show and you
know what's up?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Team Aquarius in the building, Late Aquarius.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
But you know you late to the party that we
got in Courage. Yeah. Yeah, man, New Jersey, the rural
streets of Camden, New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Uh. Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
My church, like I said, was a very small church
growing up in Camden.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:52):
Of course I was acquainted with the culture, but we
were so legalistic, very rich, strict and uh because you
had you was at Pentecostal. Yeah, nothing the earrings, no,
no pants for the girls, no make up for the girls.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
No.

Speaker 8 (03:06):
I couldn't basketball, bowling, none of that stuff. Can't go
to movies or none, none of that stuff. So I
wasn't really in them streets, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I was in the church. And that's why they had
church every day that we couldn't do nothing else. You
had church six days a week.

Speaker 8 (03:21):
Seriously, yeah literally literally it's not like services, but like
but you just had stuff to do, enough to do
every every day because my parents were like the leader.
So it was like either a rehearsal or a meeting
and then.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
All this stuff. Every every day. How did that make
you feel? It was normal to me? I didn't know.
I didn't know.

Speaker 8 (03:37):
Yeah, I didn't know. It wasn't I didn't know it
was abnormal. You know what I'm saying. I grew up
in that system. I grew up in that way of life,
so I thought, you know, holiness and coming out of
the world meant staying in the church, not at on
the streets. I didn't realize it was a mindset or
a heart set.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
So it was strict.

Speaker 8 (03:54):
But I didn't realize it was strict until you know,
freedom was presented, and then it's like, oh, hold on,
I don't have to do it that way.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I can. You know, what do you mean freedom was presented?

Speaker 8 (04:02):
Well, what I mean by that is an enlightenment, like
when I when I started traveling and seeing the world
outside of my church, I started seeing God more broad.
How old were you around this, sixteen seventeen. Yeah, I
started playing very young for other groups, other groups and
stuff like that. And when I just went to the
let's just say the Baptist church, not even let's not
even talk about seeing the rest of the world. That's

(04:25):
my Pentecostal church. And then the group that I'm playing
for like a little choir in the area is singing
at a Baptist church.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Very different, okay, extreme, the extreme culture shock, like whoa,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (04:39):
Because we weren't allowed to go to Baptist church and
Joey was crazy back then. So it's like to experience that,
it's like hold on, man, you know, it kind of
broke me out of just that that rigid thought process, like, yo,
God is bigger than my church.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yo, God is bigger than that. That's it. Don't have
to be that way. So I see that as an
option to freedom God.

Speaker 8 (04:57):
You understand what I'm saying, Like just the thought process
or other the other ways of thinking is an option
to me. So when I saw it, I took it.
I took it because I never want to don't. I
don't do go with handcuffs. I don't like bondage.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
I don't likes y'all like y'all freedom. But it you know,
it's all good.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
This is happening and you're seeing this freedom. What about
your parents?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
They were that was that a challenge?

Speaker 8 (05:21):
They were supportive? Okay, they were supportive. They say, hey, man,
go do it. You know they knew I was grounded.
They knew I was anchored in you know, holiness and
righteousness and I was saved. So it was like, uh,
they trusted me in those environments and still holding on
to my you know, integrity, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
And for the most part, I did.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
You know, and you are the second son of four kids,
so you were like an example, like, you know, they
trust you to kind of lead in a way, right
as girl.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Boy me and then little sister, little brother.

Speaker 8 (05:49):
So girl boy, girl boy. So me and my sister
always fought because she's the oldest girl and I'm like
I'm the man, you know, you know what I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Saying, right, So yeah, the leadership kind of like fell
to me.

Speaker 8 (06:00):
I'm my father's namesake, I'm the second, I'm junior or whatever.
So it kind of just kind of even now I'm
being real with y'all, this week and my father had
a health scare, so you know, heart failure and all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
He had a heart attack. He had several heart attacks
about twelve years ago, so we just been monitoring him.
So it's been real.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
This weekend was scare. Like literally each the Sunday, you know,
I'm a preaching like what you know, since my family scrambled.
So anyway, just on the leadership tip. Now everybody's like,
you know, Tye.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know what we're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, And I'm just like, you know, I'm just as
fragile as everybody else. But you know, I've been that.
I've been that for the family since I can remember.
To be honest.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Where are they at now?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Wow? Great question.

Speaker 8 (06:44):
My family to my younger siblings moved to Orlando with me,
and my sister was in town this weekend looking at
the houses this stuff too.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
So all the siblings are about to.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Be in Florida, and then your parents are still and
my mom came down as well for Resurrection Sunday and
she's also looking to move to Florida.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Oh wow, everybody.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
Yeah, And I'm trying if my dad can do it,
you know what I mean. I'm like, Yo, I said
it straight up, live or die, do it in Florida.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
You're on the radio in Orlando, Yeah, on iHeart Radio.

Speaker 9 (07:15):
Yeah, what's up that radio station that you're on. You're
on on Sunday morning? Yeah, yea yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go,
let's go. We connected it too many different ways.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Extremes Okay, yeah, I'll wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Whatever you mess up, I'll fix it.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Real know, how is your dad doing today?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
He's doing better, Thank you so much. He's doing way better.

Speaker 8 (07:39):
He's responding. He's responding well to the medicine and everything.
So he's had scarce like this throughout the twelve years
and he bounced back. So this is another bounce back day. Literally,
I got the text someware, so I'm like, thank you God.
We just want to get him healthy enough to get
him to.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Florida for sure. Yeah, because sometimes that's different.

Speaker 8 (07:54):
He's in Jersey, like Camden area, New Jersey, so still
that familiar environment.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, I mean where he was born and raised.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
Sometimes you just need to go somewhere to see a
palm tree and just something different and that'll spark healthy.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I heard that that palm tree.

Speaker 10 (08:08):
I tell you something.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
No, I feel you.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
But going back to Camden, New Jersey and your journey
to the TI tribute that we know, uh, you know,
you had like a traumatic moment when your parents divorced
and you went out, you went to the clubs, and
you kind of you know, got into a situation that
kind of shaped your career because you got with Vivian
Green and that whole story.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Can you let us know about that?

Speaker 8 (08:32):
Yeah, so of coase you we wasn't allowed to do nothing,
no no, no. Parents split up and that was like
a culture shock to us. I say it now like
when my parents got a divorce. People like, okay. Back
then it was like, especially in the Pentecostal church, you
never respected leadership to da da da da da, just
before social media and all of that.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
So that was a shock to me.

Speaker 8 (08:49):
And I was kind of like everything they've been telling
me is a lineman bumped the yo. I don't care
about none of this stuff. I'm going to the clubs.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
And so I went to clubs. I went. I went
to the club because they only I can't.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Go to club man, ask you you went to the club.
Which club did you go to? And what year and
what songs did you who?

Speaker 8 (09:06):
I went to the five spot in Philly, everywhere in Philly.
I got you, bro, I got the song. The songs
that I heard was mostly the ones that I played.
So I went to like live band clubs with DJs too.
So when I'm talking tough like I went to clubs,
I really went to just play.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
What Jesus.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
He was in the Time and the Air were Freeway,
and then.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
In the Roots. In the Roots, yeah, j Dillo, all them,
all all them. So how about you talking about though, Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 8 (09:41):
I was playing for most of them, the Roots and
Jill Scott and Music Soul Child and Floyd Trees and Green,
yeah blow all all of them was all in that,
you know, same CIRCLEA good music right there, very good
Neil Soul was. I was definitely heavily into that, and
so that that kind of again expanded my view of
God and all of that stuff, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
And so when I got with Vivian Green, her and
my cousin were kind of.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Like talking and then uh we relationship talking, relationship talking
romantic relationship.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Roller Coaster.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
Yes, that song is actually dedicated to him, but anyway, no,
I already got a text before about that, so I'm
not going there anyway. Yeah, So she was going to
get her record deal with Columbia Records, like, y'all, you know, toy,
I want you to come do the music, I said, Okay,
I grabbed a couple of people from my choir, y'all
did the background. A couple of people from the band

(10:34):
you know, uh, we just rocked out and Tommy Matola
and Donnie Einer and then what's over you know, Sony Records,
and they was in there.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was like VIVI and we love you. That's amazing.
Who's that guy?

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Because remember I'm still on there, like y'all, I'm still
let's do it, and I'm doing all these custy stuff
like that. So they're looking at Viv and looking at
me like so they were like her producers was like,
that's a gospel guy.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know, Viv is the focus. Like we're gonna sign
viv and the gospel guy. I'm like, what in the world.

Speaker 8 (11:03):
I didn't have no black and white, I had no
demo tapes, I have nothing. And in about ninety days
we had a contract sent to my house. They haven't
heard a song, they didn't hear it, they didn't see
the group, they did nothing. So I got signed to
Columbia Records off of that. So that's like kind of miraculous. Yeah,
they heard my music after.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I got signed.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, and they didn't really have very many gospel artists
on the label.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
They only had Mary Mary at the time on the
Columbia thing. And then it was myself. Then they had
of Kimbarell and then men are standing in a couple
of other people.

Speaker 8 (11:33):
So that was a very unique situation. So when people
ask me what do you do to get signed, I'm like,
I don't know what you gotta do to get signed? Well,
especially today, everything is just wide over. But to day
you just go online and go viral on them.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
A story like that is very rare now literally how
does it happen now?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Or is it?

Speaker 7 (11:47):
Like?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's very numbers driven too, so they're.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Looking social media, looking at social.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Media numbers, and if you have a brand that can
sustained without them, then they're gonna do is package you up,
repackage you up, and then.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Put out Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it because
it helps.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Labels don't want to take chances anymore, they don't want
to take investing money.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
So it's the money that because if they don't get
that money back, they don't get that money back. The
money back on the chef.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm pretty sure they curated to you a little bit.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
It's literally like maybe a thousand artists on the l
maybe and they're going to go to whoever has the
most smokes.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
Yeah, I had a lot of attention when we first
and that's what I say. That's a good thing. When
you were like number two. Yeah, all the tensions on you.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yep, we was like the we was like the piggyback
off of Mary Mary stuff. You know what I'm saying.
They were killing it. So did y'all have artists development?

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Artist development in the church is church?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Gotcha develop yourself in the word.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
You want to get a new artist in the gospel,
go send them to a revival, I mean you feel
you gotta be on point though, No, for.

Speaker 8 (12:58):
Real, those are the hardest audience is yo. I'm not
talking spiritual nothing like that, just a regular yo. And
I grew up Philly Jersey, New York. Like the Apollo audiences.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
We would go up there and have to find out
how to get through to this audience y'all, you know
what I mean. And so they'll just sit there and
look at you like yes.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
So that really helped my presentational performance because growing up
in that and that was my regular I had to
learn how to any crowd, any age, how to get
through to you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
So you get the teenager and bit mama right right.
I appreciate it now, but it was hell then, it's
a different ground.

Speaker 8 (13:34):
Really, Yeah, he was doing that's like Lebron. That's like
you're saying Lebron's dunks look easy easy.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
No, but that's just all the respect to you and
appreciate everybody you know who came before us, and appreciate it.
You didn't have Instagram or anything that at your disposal
that you can stuff out.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
You had to be this your own street team.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Flyers.

Speaker 8 (13:54):
We had flyers, right, let's get the color paper flowers.
I used to draw the fall and all that stuff
on there, the little bubble words. I used to literally
be like come see time TRIPU da da da da. Yeah,
And we used to give our flyers and stuff like that.
I'm like, man, was how you built your audience?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah? Yeah, literally doing that literally going around literally.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Just because people heard about you.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, like I have to go see that.

Speaker 8 (14:16):
Yes, Yes, we had a huge like ground swell. We
had a huge, like little movement going on. Like people
would come to our rehearsals. It was every Monday night
and I would start with like a little Bible study
type thing because everybody was just from everywhere and I
just make sure we're on the same page mentally and spiritually.
So that turned into the preacher I am today, just
trying to make sure we are good. I used to

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call it tag session. Let's just talk about God. It
wasn't nothing deep, but it was like, yo, did you
know that when I think of the goodness of Jesus
and all these that's not in the Bible?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Did y'all know that?

Speaker 8 (14:44):
Little stuff like that? And then we would just talk
about God for a minute. Then that turned into Bible studies.
Then I just turned into whatever. But anyway, that was
all Mondays and then we would rehearse. So some people
just came for that little Bible study moment and left out.
Some people came late and just came for the rehearsal
performed part, and we would just be like literally flicking
lights and stuff in there, so people like get a
little show going on. So that kind of grew us

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as well. Again, no social media, so you had to
be there to experience it.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
You learn about it, and then ye made more people.

Speaker 8 (15:13):
Come exactly exactly. It wasn't even no direct TV like
are recording now and watching later. If you're not in
that moment, you missed the moment. So people came from Delaware,
New York, Connecticut, Baltimore just to come to our rehearsals.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Man, it was such a thing. Yo. Wow, it was
such a thing.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
So when you got your deal and you know, you know,
you had the Life album, it was a different experience
as far as being signed.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
But how did that change you?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I didn't like, I'm sorry to cut you. I'm sorry
about that. I didn't. I didn't like that experience too much.

Speaker 8 (15:46):
I was already ready to not be changed by the industry,
you know what I'm saying. So I already had this
thing like, all right, we got signed. You know how
these labels do they tryed to So I had, you know,
my crew and were like, we ain't changed.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
D da da da da.

Speaker 8 (15:58):
So it's like almost like anything he did, I kind
of bucked up against, even if it was better for me.
So from the product from the production of that album,
they had James Poyser, who's part of the Roots crew.
You see him every night on Jimmy Fallon.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
That's so he produced that first album and.

Speaker 8 (16:14):
I kind of was like because it was more Neil
soul sound, more how how de'angelo and how everybody he
was producing Lauren Hill.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
It sounded more like that. It didn't sound like how
I get down. It was very controlled. It was very
But what I mean by that is, if I have
a dunt.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Got the bet bet bet bet he said, take all
the bet bet bettos out. Just duned dune simplified, simplified,
not controlled.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Thank you. He simplified it.

Speaker 8 (16:40):
And I learned a lot in production from the from
him simplifying a lot later on. But in the moment,
I was just like, you trying to change me control,
you know what I mean, Like, well, let them understand
you first, and then they need to understand. So I
was we were bucking heads a whole lot. I had
like fifty people with old do you at the time?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Twenty one?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
So do you think the age kind of played a
part into it too?

Speaker 8 (17:07):
I was immature maybe, yeah, yeah, I thought I already
knew you know, kids know everything.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
And then I'm on this demonic label. You know what everything.
Don't forget I've been a constant. Don't forget. Yeah, these
demons ain't changing.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
What you're trying to do. He was trying to take
my symbols out. Well, you heard what Michael Jackson said,
about so, well, that's.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Michael talking about this. You're gonna get me. So that
experience was kind.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
Of like oil and water because of my immaturity and
me just trying to be tires. What got me signed tires?
What's gonna people gonna love? But that really he really
helped me. That whole thing kind of helped me package
myself and present myself to people who had no idea
who I was outside of the church.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
So but then the Victory Live album, now I was.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Like, I'm producing this one now.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
That was hoy, yeah, said I'm doing this, So I said,
y'all did so are live performances from the Life project.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Were like crazy because I put on my arrangements back
in there. Now you put in the bout it.

Speaker 8 (18:15):
So a lot of performances way bigger than the album
because I put everything back in there, and then people
started to love that. So now I'm like, let me
do this album my way now. So Victory was like
my first one that I produced, and that was like
they try to categorize it, like what is this this
gospel R and B? This gospel hip hop? Because I
got some some like Celtic type stuff in there. And

(18:37):
then I got some straight up revival type church stuff.
Then I got like, some cool what is this? I said,
I just it's just Kingdom music. I just said it's
just Kingdom music because I think every style should be
represented in the Kingdom of God. Every preach, every type
of everything should be representing the Kingdom. So I just
call it Kingdom music and that kind of call.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
And people love Big Three every to this day classic.
When you hear Big Day, I'm like, how did that happen?
You know what I'm saying, Because I had a guy
in the choir who became a sudden to me, y'all.
I can't. I don't know how it happened.

Speaker 8 (19:08):
He just stay on my crib. You know, his mom
was a single mother. His mom was already at my church.
I already knew the family whatever. He was about to
get married, and he was in a car going to
do the seating arrangements for the reception with him as
his fiance on a Sunday after church, got in a
car accident, passed away back just like that, like thirty

(19:31):
days before his wedding, and we were preparing for what
is now called the Victory Album.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I didn't have the song Victory at that time. We
just had that a little bit.

Speaker 8 (19:40):
He came to me he was going to school at
HU and Hampton and DC. It said, Tye, yo, if
you do a.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Go Go song, the DNV gonna go craze. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (19:52):
I was like, what, Like, all right, No, I'm telling you,
ty you gotta do this song. Virginia, Maryland, DC will
go crazy, Houston, Dallas.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Boy, So I came out with that.

Speaker 8 (20:04):
I tried it, like and the first I kind of
heard like a cab Calloway long suits, Harlem nights, like.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
With the horns that I just changed the put that
beat on it. When I started feeling when I feel
it at the house, I know, well, I.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
Don't care when I feel it, I don't care how
it affects nobody else.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
It already blessed me.

Speaker 8 (20:29):
I'm already in it, and that's the purpose of the
song to me at the moment, and then my family
feel it.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'm good, yell to me. I don't really project it's
gonna be a hit.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
If I'm satisfied, I'm like, thank you God, I'm good.
And when Victory hit like that, I knew it was
gonna be something.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that caintapulted you success wise. How did
you handle that? That that that success that came from
that album Good and Bad?

Speaker 8 (20:58):
You say the bad part first, I'm about to you know,
I was because the good could be assumed. The day
Victory came out, I was in jail. What oh way,
that's the song on a life album. No way, but anyway,
we're talking about victory though I was in jail. I

(21:18):
was in jail for traffic tickets. So my wife and
I get married. We live in this apartment for a year.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Leasa's up. We moved a little bit higher. You know, good,
we're good.

Speaker 8 (21:27):
Times a little you know what I'm saying. So I'm
getting tickets and warrants sent to these to that apartment.
I ain't there no more. So by the time Victory here,
we're in the house, you know what I'm saying. Or
we're about victory about hit, we're in the house. We're
a little more settled. So all my males coming to
the right place now. So I got like all these warrants.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
It was. It was bad, y'all.

Speaker 8 (21:50):
I must have been late to every rehearsal I've ever
had in my life. How fast I was speeding, getting
these tickets. So I had to do like a tour
of courts, like I had to go to the Candy Court,
the Philly Court, Dinner, the morths Yo. So I had
to do community service first, out there picking up cigarette
butts and out there cleaning up beaches and drug and
all the needles and stuff off that.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I'm doing that first and my last court. It was
literally my last one, and I'm thinking he gonna let
me even eat the pay it. Probably have to do
some more community service. He was like, I guess.

Speaker 8 (22:22):
He was like, yo, you think you could get away
with it because I don't know. I was like, hey, sir,
I'm a reverend.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I can't. I can't go I can't go to jail.
I'm a reverend.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
You know what I'm saying. He didn't care about that.
And the more stuff I said I was doing, it
was like it felt like he was like it was
I'm gonna teach you a lesson, brother, yeah example, yeah, Like, well, Sir,
I do that.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I was like, okay.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
So I felt that from him, like, oh, let me
stop saying what I'm doing that. Let me shut up
for a minute. So he gave me thirty days, like bang,
you gotta do thirty days. So worse than thirty days, y'all,
he said, because your reverend will let you get off
Saturday and Sunday. So I had like I had, like

(23:02):
when people got to work, sometimes they let you through
your week and then you got to go in Saturday
and Sunday to serve your time. I got out Saturdays
and Sunday. So by noon Saturday, I clopped out, and
by Monday morning, seven am.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I had to check.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
That's the worst part, checking myself back in there every Monday,
Yo at seven am. So I was on a six
Flags Great Adventure tour at that time, So that's Saturday
or whatever Sunday I would do six Flags. I would
do Great Adventure. People say, Toddie taking pictures. I'm like,
y'all have no idea I'm going tomorrow. Y'all have no
idea where I'm going tomorrow. I got in a nice

(23:38):
suit on the day, but I'm having an orange suit
on tomorrow. So during this is when albums came.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Out on Tuesdays.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
So that Tuesday, June or May or whatever it was,
I was literally in jail and my wife called me,
like baby, well, I called her, I said, that's one
of my calls for that day. Baby's selling out everywhere.
You know that, I said, I don't I don't care
that I'm selling out everywhere. I'm you know what I'm saying,
I'm locked.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I'm locked up right now. I got an RN sat
on with some Orange Vans on and I don't care
about nothing.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
So you were locked up when victory dropped.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Wow, I was losing.

Speaker 8 (24:12):
When victory came out when everybody was winning off that,
I was in the worst position in the world. It
was like, Hell, it's smelled horrible to people. My whole experience,
my family knows. I call it jail tales.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So I'd be like, oh, come on, your dad's talking
about jail, Like, come on, jail tales. In my house.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
I got stories after story after story, and the whole
time I'm in there, Bobby Jones is still like playing me.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So when I come back in, they like, church, Hey
you church, We just saw you yesterday on b ET.
What you doing in there?

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Like, so did you say any souls in there?

Speaker 8 (24:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
God, did something Okay? When you preaching? I had got
a couple of like counsel counseling sessions.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
You know what I mean, people were like just confess
to me like I was a pope or something, you
know what I mean, Like you know what I mean, Like,
hey man, you know I stole from my mom. They
would just tell me stuff and I would just like
talk to them, and I prayed with a couple of them.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
But yes, I need to pray.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
When I got to go y'all by.

Speaker 8 (25:06):
I love y'all visiting, I was over for me. So
that was that was That was one thing. And then
at the same time, I'm dropped Tuesday. I had my
second child that Thursday. So the last month of my
wife carrying I was in it, stressing her out, doing
all that.

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Speaker 2 (25:29):
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Speaker 3 (25:33):
I really have to ask you question. It's not gonna
be fun. I'm not trying to do your thing, brother,
And you did all this and you didn't cuss one time.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I didn't cuss one time, and I was been cussing
up the storm like bro, like what, No, I've.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Got to go to jail on.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I didn't cut one time. That was not my vocaboy
at that time, that was not in my sight force.
You never even thought, no, that wasn't in my second No, no,
because I did that to myself when people.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
Not too long after that, my wife and I almost divorced, right,
so infidelity, right, So I stepped out of the marriage,
and she's home with the baby, and I'm out here
being the king of the world. I'm getting all this attention.
This never happened to me. I'm going from a small
church to everybody screaming my name. People know me at
the airport, and I did not know how to handle
that attention. I could not handle that attention. I was

(26:23):
the ugly duck when I was the buck, too skinny
black guy in school. All my life, I wish somebody
would look at me. Twice nobody ever looked at me out.
I ain't gonna prom I wasn't the JV either, I
wasn't nothing. Nobody looked at me unless I played or
did some type of some music or something like that.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
There's no excuse. I made a horrible.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Decision, But the success brought that attention exactly.

Speaker 8 (26:42):
So that's why the success of victory was amazing, but
it comes with a lot of temptations. And if you
ain't ready for that, your character don't stand up, you
gift think on mean nothing.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
In hindsight, how could you have avoided that?

Speaker 8 (26:54):
More boundaries? More boundaries? Like after that, Now I got
all this accountability circle around me. I got this this
in place and this in place, and I got people
to talk to if I have accountability and boundary systems
in place now since then. But if I'd have known
it then, I would have been died it then. And
then she was going through postpartum. I didn't know what
postpartum was. She was just a crazy woman to me,

(27:14):
you know what I mean? Now everybody has understanding of
knowledge of postprodum or PSD. They are all these letters,
you know what I'm saying. Add eight you know hg TV.
You know we can explain people's psyche and emotions. Now
that wasn't you know what I'm saying. This is four
or six, So you know we didn't.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I didn't. I didn't know she.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
I didn't know about postpartum. She didn't know about it.
I just thought she was tripping. She's like, yeah, you're right,
leave me.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I'm crazy.

Speaker 8 (27:39):
I don't know what's going on. And it was it
was just kind of like that type of dynamic going on.
And then being a religion, having a religious mindset, you
just take everything to Jesus and you just pray. And
I'm not saying nothing that's wrong with that, but that's
not it. That could be the first step, but that
cannot be the last step.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
You need to get help professional health.

Speaker 8 (27:55):
Yes, talk to somebody. I don't care if it's Grandma
or a therapist or somebody. But under standing the Bible
setting all by getting get understanding. And we don't do
that in the church. We just pray and praise things
off and it's not off us. So I had that
type of mentality and practice. It'll get better if I
just praise them and pray, it'll get better. Like Nah,
sit down, understand your mind, understand her, understand her body,

(28:16):
Understand all of that, and get understanding so you can
get wisdom so that this stuff don't happen again.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
How did you guys get through that?

Speaker 6 (28:22):
I mean, because you're on the road, Like you said,
you have obligations that you have to do for work.
Did you stop everything to do.

Speaker 8 (28:30):
Ap sblutely, everything just stopped for three to four months,
everything just stop. I ended, I had a group with me,
you know, a little choir with me. I ended that
I just started all over. I cut my management. At
the time. Everything was it was just me and her again,
building again. I said, we're gonna build this thing again.
You know what I mean, cause it became my thing,

(28:51):
and it was you know, I just kind.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Of like enjoyed my space regardless of what my family,
you know, what was going on. So we built it together.
And you know what I'm saying. So she became my
manager first after all.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Of that, and she held you She was the first
one holds you down. What do you understand, y'all?

Speaker 8 (29:07):
When we first got married, I didn't have I was
making two hundred and fifty dollars a week at my
family church. Her father passed her. Her stepfather looked like
the father since she was two years old. He passed
and left her some money. So when she was when
she was eighteen, she got it. I married her at eighteen.
I was twenty one.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I said, I got you.

Speaker 8 (29:27):
Bathed on Worr everybody on making two and fifty dollars
a week whatever, she took her money, of course, gave
it to us. She helped me get the first apartment,
She helped get the first furniture.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
She she like, I got it. I got it, bang
bang bang bang bang bang. And all I had was
a vision and a gift.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
And she told her.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I told her so. She had a job at a bakery.
We had a gig at Sesame Street the day she
had to work, and.

Speaker 8 (29:49):
The baker, the boss was like, Yo, you either gonna
do your your husband's thing or you're gonna build your
thing here. And I'm like, how she giving you an ultimatum.
You're nineteen, Like you know what I mean. So I said, Babe,
if you don't go to work today, if you sing
with me, you ain't never got to worry about that again.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
You ain't never got to worry about money ever again.
I don't even know what made me say that, y'all,
because I was like, you ain't never got But I
was shaking it.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
He ain't never gonna work, God, for real, God, I
was shaking in my books, like, trust me.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
He was nervous. But she said, I'm coming with you,
and she's been holding me down ever since you had her. Yeah.
Period period so that's just.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
What it is.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Period, like we ain't gonna know where we twenty seven
this year. I love that, yes years wow black love.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Yes, yes that it can work a lot of hearing
out stuff like that, Like no woman is about to
hold nobody down. No molds different now these days, right, Ye,
it's like a man now he gotta pay for everything,
he gotta do for everything. He ain't got no money,
he gotta leave more he at Really they don't have
no well you know what with social media.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, it's very different now. My daughter fifty to fifty
with a man.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
What you got about that? As a dad trying to
have your daughters.

Speaker 8 (30:57):
She's twenty, I got a twenty one about to be
twenty two, and seventeen out to be eighteen. So they're
starting to bring little you know, guys around at the
house and stuff like that. It's different from me because
their friends know who I am a little bit, so
it's a little different respects a little I don't know.
I don't get all the drama.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Are their guy friends from churches or one is.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
Okay and then one is not. Yeah, my theres are
two very different ones like me and one is like
her mother.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So I don't know. I just I'm just not scared.

Speaker 8 (31:27):
But I just know the climate is very, very very
different now and now I feel sorry for whoever's dating,
but kind of feel sorry for like what it is
now because it's like, do you meet on social media?
Do you meet in person? Do you have how do
you how do you build trust?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
How do you? I don't know how it is nowadays?

Speaker 6 (31:44):
You're scared the cool world you got like Resa Tisa,
who met a man and who was a liar the
whole time.

Speaker 8 (31:51):
Yo, But quoting scripture, yo, how about that? Be careful
for the Bible thumpers watch for the fruit, not just
what they say. Look for that fruit, y'all in their life.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm telling you. So it's bad. I feel I felt,
I felt you're paying a little bit. Brother. I don't
know what you're going through.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
I was just I just look at social media and
I see what social media is, and I, you know,
I listen to your story and then I see what,
you know, what society is today to where you know,
women are talking about like you know, they don't want
to go fifty fifty on bills. They want a man
that's gonna, you know, pay for everything.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
You feel like it's because they got so many options now,
like options now get somebody, you can date somebody in Russia.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, I definitely.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
I definitely think social media has made it a more
variety of people to say, Okay, you want to do this,
but this guy, you know over here in this country,
he begging.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
To pay my he went that green card.

Speaker 8 (32:45):
I hate that it makes people dispensable, the fact that
we have so many options now, people are dispensable.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'm good. I'm good.

Speaker 8 (32:51):
I'm good because you know you could just you know,
go on your DMS and find so the value of people,
the value of human beings, the value of love, the
value of trust, the value friendship and authenticity to.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Me has gone down.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
How did you meet your wife?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Rehearsal.

Speaker 8 (33:08):
Our families was in the she was in Canada. Candon
is this big. So her family had a church. Our
family had a church. Our families knew each other. My grandmother,
who was a reverend, did the ceremony for her grandmother's wedding.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Oh wow, so my.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
Grandmother married her grandmother and her her husband. So that's
how close our families are. I remember seeing her maybe
here or there. If our churches did something together. And
she was a little you know what I mean, little kids,
A little cute girl. She gonna get me the time
of day anyway. So when I started the choir, she
was like hey, she came to rehearsal, like, hey, I
want to join the choir, but I don't have a ride.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
To rehearsal, Like could you pick me up? I'm like,
anybody here, you're gonna ask me to pick you up?
I know, ire't know what this is. Pick rehearsal on Saturday.
You calling me Tuesday? Yeah, I know what this is.
So she's how. That's how we kind of started kicking
it like that.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
And y'all were young too.

Speaker 8 (33:56):
He was like sixteen, yeah, she I had to be nineteen.
She had to be sixteen seventeen when we started.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Talking because y'all married at eighteen.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
She was eighteen. I was twenty one one. Yeah, so
I had to be like going on twenty and she
was like going on, you know, six seventeen.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
What advice do you guys give your daughters.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
With relationships or yeah, like you know, picking somebody because
they're at your they're you know, almost one of your
daughters is past almost past age that you guys got married.
So do you like, you know, do you recommend people
getting married young? Do you want them to find their way?

Speaker 8 (34:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's pros and consta both. You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (34:35):
Somebody has to be worth whatever, Like somebody's gonna annoy you,
somebody's gonna irritate you, somebody's going whatever. Somebody has to
be worth you loving past the offense. I don't think
we can get past offense in.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Our society today.

Speaker 8 (34:50):
So our advice to our daughters is, if you can
find somebody that you can still love beyond an offense,
your love for them is more than regular.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (34:59):
People get cut off or your gar space as soon
as the defence happens. But a sense offense offense, like
somebody offends you, hurts you, disappoints you. I'm not going
to the party. He went to the party. I'll be
back at ten. You got back whatever it is that
would offend you. Most people can't get past that type
of betrayal or hurt or anything like that. If you
can find somebody that you can still that you still

(35:21):
want to pursue after an offense or a disappointment or
I would go as far as to say a betrayal,
but that's like in marriage.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
That person, to me is worth that space in your
heart and in your life.

Speaker 8 (35:37):
What do I tell them though? What I tell my kids,
I don't have like a general thing for them. They
just have over communication with me anything.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
It just we talk. We talk.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
So it's not like a find somebody in dark skin,
you know what I'm saying, or find somebody like skin.
It's just like, whatever's going on, talk to pops. So
we got that type of relationship. They can keep it
real with me. It ain't no judgment. So we walk
with them through every relationship. Even if been heartbroken, which
has happened, we were there with them through everything.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Question. So I'm approaching five years married and Congress wife, Yeah,
what advice do you have for married couples, because it's
hard to see people be together, let alone five years,
ten years, twenty years, thirty years.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I don't really hear or see that on social media.
It's kind of like not normal anymore to me. Yeah,
as I'm scrolling on my timeline, Yeah, yeah, I don't
see people I think married for a long time and
happily married at that.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
Yeah, I think the temperature of our culture is just
so hot right now that if you touch anything, you'll
get burned. What I mean by that is, I think
what's necessary in any relationship, especially marriage, humility.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
That's like.

Speaker 8 (36:47):
If my wife does something I don't enjoy, or let's
just go to the extreme and say she lied to me?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Right, I first think have I lied to her? How
many times have I lied to her? Why did think that?
That's to me, a humble approach to the how could
you do that to me? People don't have that. It's
just how could you do that to me?

Speaker 8 (37:07):
So humility, knowing yourself, knowing, being aware of how and
who you are can help you deal with those situations
you might argue over whatever. So humility, honesty. That's hard,
you know what I'm saying, Because you don't want to
reveal yourself all the time. You don't want to get
naked with somebody. You know they the one where you
get naked with them and you're not ashamed, you know
what I mean. Adam and Eve was in.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
The garden, they was naked and not ashamed. That's the point.

Speaker 8 (37:31):
So if I can show you the real me and
not be shamed, you the one honesty, patience. Everybody's not
on the same All of these are hard, bro. This
is why we don't see it. Patience, bro Yo, everybody's
not on the same journey. Y'all could be married for
twenty seven years and she's still got a soul separate.

(37:53):
You could feel like you should get you should have
had it by now, seel, you should know that by now,
and then she could feel the same way about you.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
You.

Speaker 8 (38:01):
So it's that dance of considering yourself while you're walking
with somebody else, you know what I mean, considering you
while you walk with somebody else.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I don't think we do that. We just think of
what we.

Speaker 8 (38:11):
Expect from them, what we want from them, what we
desire from them. And it's a very narcissistic view of
a relationship where the Bible says that it's not good
for men to be alone.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'm gonna send him help. So the reason why another
human being.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
Exists is for a help, not for sex. So I
need her to help. I got blind spots. I'm the man,
I'm the king, I'm all that, I'm the bread, but
I got blind spots. Not in life, you need to
watch out for Corey watch out for Stacy. Those blind
spots too, but blind spots in me. So a lot
of times the wife will reveal the blind spots in you.
And I don't mean having a conversation like babe, I've

(38:46):
seen it'll just come out in relationships. So how she
expresses it, how he expresses it is a problem. Okay,
Last thing I'll say, communicate versus express. We express our
feelings but don't communicate. So you, babe, what's wrong. You're
expressing any emotion, but you're not communicating it. The husband

(39:09):
coming in, you're expressing something but you're not communicating it.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
So I'm learning now to not just express because I
could be very clear in my expression, not to just
express what and how I feel, but to communicate it
because I'm not been used to that growing up. Communicating
my feelings. I could communicate my thoughts, but how I
feel about it is another deeper level. And again that's

(39:36):
getting naked with somebody, So we can't be afraid of that.
And I don't think people are able to reach those
levels in their relationships, which is why it just either
stays on a certain level or it doesn't last.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
If it don't have that depth of patience, humility and honesty,
I don't know how I was going to thank you.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
And I really like the concept that you and your
wife did when you wrote the vision out.

Speaker 8 (39:58):
I literally wrote it like I literally wrote on a
piece of paper like this division for our live this
was gonna happen in our life, and I put it
in this. She has her commercial baking license, so it
was this cake glass up there. I just put it
in there and just sat it in there, and we
moved from house to house. I don't know what happened
to that thing, but everything got fulfilled.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
That's in it. So now we write our next you
know what I'm saying in forty years or whatever.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
And that's leadership. That's why she trusts you. But did
she have any bakeries or do you know for investing
one or.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
At our shows? At my shows like taste cupcakes, so
something like that cakes or whatever.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
She never wanted to go back into that.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
I think she really dove into motherhood and when she
had when she had our kids, she like stopped singing
with me and she just focused on that to be
the mother.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
A lot of what happened with my wife.

Speaker 8 (40:46):
She growing up without her father again, her her stepfather
died and then her natural father. She didn't really have
a relationship with growing up without that dynamic. As you know,
you wrestle with identity and who you are, like she
wrestles with that and still some time a tennis match
to this day with her struggling to know who she
is and know her identity and be confident in that.

(41:07):
I say that to say, if you don't really know
who you are, she thinks a mother, I gotta be
a mother. However, she defines mother to herself. She just
you understand what I mean, went like totally overborn, because
this is gonna identify me.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
So I got a kids over.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
Yeah, she did really assessed over it in order to
gain an identity or validity in life, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Or how do you support her? Navigate her through.

Speaker 8 (41:31):
That, encouraging her, letting her know like, oh, you did this,
you're doing this, and you're not just that, you know
what I mean. You're an amazing mother, but you're also
very creative, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
There's a oh, y'all got me going a little deep.
But let me just just just just a little bit
Bible study for you guys. In heaven.

Speaker 8 (41:48):
There's a four faced angel, right face of a man,
face of a lion, face of an ox, face of
an eagle. The man represents humanity. Jesus is human. The
ox represents serving.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Or plow on the field. Jesus was a serve, he
was humble. The eagle represents like the bird's eye view,
he was like a prophet revelation. And the lion represents kingship.
Jesus was royalty. I said all that to say, not
to just explain Jesus, but Jesus is our example to me,
so we have at least four expressions.

Speaker 8 (42:19):
There's something about for a winterspring, summer fall, north south
east west, four winds, four time zones, four chambers.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
To our heart, I just believe you're not just one face.

Speaker 8 (42:30):
You're not just the mother, even though you're an amazing mother.
You're also an entrepreneur and the queen. And you never
lose the mother face, even though you're focusing on the
entrepreneur face.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
You're creative, and you ain't got to lose the mother,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (42:42):
I'm trying to I like to explain it like that
on one creature, there were four different expressions. So I
think to not just not to just make one everything
you are, you more free than bound, just to try
to be the best that.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Man.

Speaker 8 (42:55):
I'm a creator, I'm a speaker, I'm a musician, you know.
I mean, I'm a writer, a comedian to my kids.
I just I embrace my different expressions and not just
trying to make one thing who I am.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Amen, And you guys are expressing it and live church
in Orlando?

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Man?

Speaker 6 (43:15):
And did you and your wife one of that? When
did you guys want to do that? Decide to open
a church in Orlando out of all places?

Speaker 8 (43:22):
We left Jersey and went to Houston for a year,
not for a year. I thought it was gonna be
there for a minute. I took like a youth pastor
job in Houston. It was like oil and water situation
situation there. So it didn't quite work out. So we
was like, let's let's just go somewhere. I'm not going
back to Jersey. I'm not going back to Philly. I
fell in love with shorts, you know what I mean,
in the in the winter. I fell in love with

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a short. Yeah, a T shirt the birds. Yeah right,
So I want to shovel no more. I got two girls,
I got no sounds to help me shovel. We're not
going back to Jersey. So most of her family's from
West Palm Beach, Boca, uh, Indian Town, all that stuff
down there. Her family is very heavily in South Florida,
really all of Florida. So I like Orlando. I remember

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doing the show in Orlando.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I just like the vibes. I like the people, like
the multiculturalism. It wasn't just black. I'm like Walter, Yeah,
I said, baby, what about Orlando. Let's go to Orlando.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
It's central. You wanted a little upbeat, you can hit Miami,
you know what I mean. I still travel, So that's
the perfect temperament, uh in tempo for my family. And
my kids were way younger at the time, so we
chose Orlando. And it's been, it's been. It's been amazing.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
It's been amazing.

Speaker 8 (44:31):
So when I traveled then at the time, she had
support of the family and the kids are like, what.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Disney is twenty minutes away, and let me tell you,
they went every day. Yo.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
Yeahs whoa, it's expensive. Yeah, they get the passing on
that stuff like two hundred dollars, and then they had
a nerve to eat, to eat.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I said, what, so you don't put three gushers in
your pocket and all of the day, so you can't.
We fell in love with Orlando.

Speaker 8 (45:04):
And then after a while I started feeling this, I
guess the spiritual climate of Orlando.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
And I just heard God.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
I believe I heard God say, speak to the dry bones,
you know, and command them to live.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
That the scripture in the Bible that says can these
dry bones live?

Speaker 8 (45:17):
And the prophets spoke and then like these bones like
came back to life, and they stood up and there
was a great army. So God was telling me some
dry bones here, they've been through a lot, they've been hurt,
they've been it's time to speak to them and bring
them back to life.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
So we called the church Live based off of that.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
And what kind of churches is?

Speaker 5 (45:33):
It is?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Old school?

Speaker 10 (45:35):
Is it is?

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I tell you that it is youth. Ain't nobody fall
asleep in there? Right? I don't think.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
So.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
Now they sing, they open up, they sing. I jump
up at the end of the singing, I speak, we
out of there. We do offering them out of there.
There's no program, there's no whole lot of hoopline stuff
like that. They sing, I speak, we fellowship love on
each other, and we were out of it. I say,
it's about ninety minutes. Okay, Oh that's great because we
be kicking it, we be jamming, just having a good time.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I love the culture of live. I love the flow
of it is.

Speaker 8 (46:13):
My whole family is involved in this now, not just
me on the road singing, and they support me, go
dad on TV.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
We're all in it.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
My daughter's doing dance there, and my other daughter's doing
children's ministry, helping the kids.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
My wife is a you know, family affair.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
Yeah, no, you know, it never reminds me of kind
of like Eric Campbell and her husband and literally their church.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
And it's so funny how you guys came up on
the same label and you.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Guys are kind of like doing it even think about that. Yeah,
that's literally what's happening right now. Yeah, it's I love it.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Man.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
We live in a city girl world filled with all
the dogs. You know, how does church fit in?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
How do city girls fit in? I believe you know?
Oh man, how does church fit in.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
I think church fits in because at some point every
city girl is gonna need help beyond anybody around them.
They gonna need some type of soul mental help that
even you can get the best therapist. God is going
to make sure he's needed.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yo, I'm trying not to bang your table. He's a
jealous gud Yo. He don't play.

Speaker 8 (47:18):
He don't play nobody else getting his shine. He don't
play nobody else getting So you're gonna blow up. You're
gonna be a citygo You're gonna be the hottest you're
gonna be at until something hit your life that's gonna
make you fold your hands and seek.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Something higher than anybody.

Speaker 10 (47:33):
You know.

Speaker 8 (47:34):
So God makes hisself relevant just through storms, and he
don't like causing them, but he allows them to be relevant.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
This is so good right now.

Speaker 8 (47:43):
They Jesus said go to the other side, and the
disciples were going on the boat to the other side
and a storm comes. It's like we obeying Jesus and
we went right into a storm. But then Jesus come
walking on the water and then Peter, you know, walks
on the water with him. God sent them into a
storm just to show them another side of hisself, you
know what I'm saying. So sometimes storms come to reveal

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him in another way. So even in the city girl
world and in all this crazy and.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
The baddies, you know all that stuff. You know, my
daughter just be watching this. Sometimes it's entertainment, right, are
y'all not becoming this?

Speaker 8 (48:16):
So in that type of world, in their real lives
off camera, something is hitting them even on camera, you see, Like, man,
they're gonna need the help and the strength and the
wisdom of the Lord.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And whether they realize that now or later, I think
we're all gonna come to that.

Speaker 8 (48:31):
The bombses, every niche, shehell bow, every tonshell confess that
Jesus Christ is Lord.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I'd just rather do it now then later.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Yeah, because it's like you know, like you said, even
your daughter is indulgent.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
It's kind of hard to not see it, you know
when you have Instagram in so many social platforms, TikTok.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
How do you feel about it though, y'all? Are we
laughing at are we entertained?

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Or is it like, man, this is sad or it's
like that's just like my cousin to me, that's entertainment.
I feel like people should know the difference between what
entertainment what real life really is.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
But kids don't know. Yeah, and that's why I'm asking,
like how do you navigate that? You know, especially having
a church as a pastor.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
You know, it starts at home. Yeah, our kids been new.
It's the difference between.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Our grandmother's made us go to church.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But it's just like now they're not going.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
You watching it on TV. You're not. You don't feel obligated.
And even if you're in there, you on your phone.

Speaker 8 (49:24):
It starts with the parents, man, which they don't have
a lot. They just got their mom and dads and
da da da da dah. But nothing and no one
will be more influential than your parents between a certain
age that's the fact, the age of when you start.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Knowing who you are. Forgot what that's called.

Speaker 8 (49:38):
My wife will kill me right now, adolescence or the
age of accountabil whatever, between zero to five ors little twelve,
no one will be more influential than your than your parents.
You know what I'm saying. If you don't have that,
you don't have an attachment to this world. You just
come out the womb and.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Just like who who should I be? Like what should
I be like, okay, sexual read yes, I have something
to it.

Speaker 8 (50:02):
So if you don't create that attachment, if you don't
create that influence, and I'm not talking witchcraft and controlling
your kids, I mean healthy attachments with them. If you
don't have that, they won't know the difference between crazy
or entertainment and real life. So the parents have to
instill that into them. All the goodness, all the purity,
all integrity, all the character stuff. And I don't mean

(50:24):
like a nun, but I mean a well balanced understanding
of the world and the way the world.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
Should be, because, like you said, I don't remember verbat
on what you said, but it's like, you know, just
because you see something, you're not of it.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Or yea yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
The Bible says we're in the world, but not of
the world.

Speaker 8 (50:46):
So it's so so challenging to be surrounded by and
enclosed by something that you're you're not, You're not made
from the inside. You didn't see what I'm saying. So
but what you be, you be come what you behold, Right,
I say that a lot. You become what you behold.
If I keep watching that, I'm going to become what

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I'm laying my eyes on. You know what I'm saying.
They say you're five closest friends. You become like them
the more you spend time with them, you know what
I'm saying. So the more our kids spend time in
front of this, the more they're gonna become that. But
if they're yeah, but if they're spending time with their
aunt or their uncle or you, they're spending time with you. Hey,
no phone dinners, we have no phone dinners at the crib,
no phone dinners. They're spending that time, and they're going

(51:27):
to become who they're beholding. At least at that age
is until they can make their own choices. And some
still rebel and be like, I'm not gonna do that,
but at least they have the option. I don't think
we have the option today, and that's scary to me.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:39):
You know, another thing that was scary was when you
went viral for what people heard you say as far
as the church is whack, and that's what that is
what they said, that's what they heard you say. What
you said so much more than that, Yeah, So how
did you feel when that went viral? Shocked in that
same interview. I talked about how I visited a strip club,

(52:00):
and I thought that would go viral. But obviously people
didn't see the interview. They just saw that the clip,
and that's why they did that. That's why they chose
that clip, and that's why I did what it did.
I'm still from Candence. A part of me was like,
you know what I.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Mean, y'all gotta pray for me. Bro I was like,
hold on, oh, it was right there, but rushing cuss
and I might have custed my sleep. I don't know.
Very just like to me, I'm like, y'all know what

(52:35):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 10 (52:37):
The church.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
Person that had an issue with what I said, first
of all, didn't hear what I said. I never said
the church was whack because I don't believe that. I
believe we are the church. We are the body of Christ.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
The systems, the politics, the all of that dumb stuff.
Oh see, I'm doing it again. It's whack to me.
What's the dumb stuff? That's why that's what.

Speaker 8 (52:56):
Let's let's say I'm thinking more psychologic, psychological than then theologically.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
So the thought process.

Speaker 8 (53:04):
Around church when the like the rules, the rules, the perception,
when the bishop comes in. It's like, oh, it's like, yo,
you know what I'm saying stuff like that, if you
serve your church, you're serving God.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
That's not true.

Speaker 8 (53:20):
You can serve God by serving the church. But it
don't mean you when you join. When you when you
get saved at a church. They ain't nothing wrong with this, y'all.
I'm just saying stuff like this. They put you like
on a growth track. So you you you get saved
in the church, your life has changed.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Thank you Lord. I'm trying to cleanse myself.

Speaker 8 (53:38):
Then they put you on a growth track in their church,
and then you kind of become a position in their church.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Now you the youth.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
So the proof almost that God is in your life
is by like what you're doing in the church, or
how you're serving in the church.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Or he used to be a drug dealer, but now
you're deacon in the church.

Speaker 8 (53:56):
Well do we have patience? Like does he forgive? Like
it's not about what I do in this building. And
I hear a lot of people say I love my church.
I love my church, and I ain't nothing wrong with that.
I don't hear a whole lot of I love God, yo,
I love my God, yo.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
God. The focus is these businesses with God's name on it. Everybody.

Speaker 8 (54:16):
I'm not talking about everybody. There's a lot of great gatherings,
you know what I'm saying. Live churches one of them.
But for the most part, what I've seen in my
forty eight years on this earth is a whole lot
of stuff that.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
I don't think Jesus was talking about. And I'm gonna
just leave it at that. What do you how do
you feel about mega churches?

Speaker 4 (54:35):
What you mean like like the big churches with ATMs
in the.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Lobby, ATMs in the lobby.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Uh, you know, passes getting on private jets and this
murky period because.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
The church's money. I don't do God, I don't get
on private church's money.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Put the cash on the screen.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
It's murky because the church. It's the two.

Speaker 8 (55:00):
What I was saying is a business. The church ministry
is not. I'm here to serve you and help you, period.
But in order to do that, do I need a
building to do that?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Okay? I might need a building. Now need my mortgage? Pig,
can y'all help you with?

Speaker 5 (55:13):
That?

Speaker 8 (55:14):
Should be the dialogue, not five people staying with one
hundred dollars. So God can bless you. That's what I'm
talking about. You feel what I'm saying. Just say, hey,
we need windows on the joint because y'all help d
D you know, we just we just got keys to
our building. We're gonna move in there probably September. But
it's like, hey, we thank you. It's like, hey, we
need you, thank you so much, we need yours. They

(55:34):
about a ninety dollars who're gonna sponsor instead.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Of being a transparent versus just trasing.

Speaker 8 (55:41):
God to fulfill your thing. You understand what I'm saying,
that's what God told you, or be honest with them,
like this ain't got this ain't about y'all. But God
told me I need to have legit.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
I got you thought you feel.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Me because I think people get rocked with you. I
think people he tried to get me out there the
whole day. I'm not going out there. He tried.

Speaker 8 (56:07):
I think people will rock with you if you're really
because they understand it takes money to do certain things.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
It takes money.

Speaker 8 (56:13):
So that's the that's the fine line between church and
just serving people and helping people.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
And we still need that.

Speaker 8 (56:19):
We still need that money because now, what do you
need that money for your lifestyle or for what's what
we're doing here.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
That's the thing.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
It always been always look kind of weird to me
growing up when I always you know, come from the hood,
and then I go to church and I'll be like, Mama,
why are we driving in this?

Speaker 2 (56:36):
And the pastor we just gave him, ain't him my
twenty dollars for my lunch?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
And that right there makes people not even want to
come back exactly.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
I'm like, rid the pastor say, living better than ninety
percent of the people in the church.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
So I guess I have to ask how you feel
about that? Because you're telling me how you feel about it.
That's not fair or equal.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
We don't feel the same way with bosses at Popeye's right.

Speaker 8 (57:05):
They can have a bends and their their their employees
can have aut right, I guess because we understand that's
a work environment.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Uh, what's what would be fair?

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Then I would ask, I mean to me, what I
feel like what would be fair is that if you're
going to use God and you're gonna have people to
give you money for God.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Then my life should be changing.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Well, I feel like we should all be on the
same plan field you know, if that's if that's really
what the goal is, is to preach God and the prosperity.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I can't argue with that.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
It's the prosperity while.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
You driving, you know, you got passes on Instagram driving Lamborghinis.
And then you know the people that's at their church
is barely affording to pay their bills, but they still
going to church and they giving up their money and
stuff like that.

Speaker 8 (57:54):
That's one uh if if if you go to a
church and who gives you money, like your job gives
you money, right, right, So you're gonna get what your
job gives you because that's your income from one place.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I'm not saying that's all you got.

Speaker 8 (58:10):
But if if a pastor is getting money from thousands,
it's gonna be more.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
You're saying it shouldn't all go to him.

Speaker 7 (58:19):
I just I just feel like at least act like
I fail you right, act like we equal, Like you
understand what I'm saying. Because thousand people are giving me
a dollar versus one person, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Have a thousand and you're gonna have one. Right.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
I don't think that you're saying that you want you
want a piece of a pot I don't think BT
saying he wants a piece of the blessings. Yeah, Like
if you're telling me one thing and saying if I
do this, if I pray, then my life is gonna change,
and then it hasn't changed.

Speaker 8 (58:50):
And you know, so how do you feel about people
who have UH programs and what is it called seminars
and all that stuff they selling onlines?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
But they not using God to get my mind one
hundred they using God.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
They not making me feel like, Okay, if I don't
do this, God is not gonna love me. And what
I'm saying is that all these kids that's in the
hood and in the projects, and they family is making
them come to church, they're looking at their family struggling.
And what I'm saying is like I'm not telling you
like the pastors shouldn't want to be good. I'm saying
that health these people don't just take their money. And

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then you see somebody struggling or somebody parents can't pay
their bills, and.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Then you're just taking their money.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
You're driving off in a nice car and you know
they mom is a single parent looking for Jordan just
gave you their last And I think that's what we're
seeing in the climate now the pride of man.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
People being frustrated with the pride of man.

Speaker 8 (59:46):
I've heard people say like, Yo, this situation wouldn't have
got that far had so and so humbled themselves or
came love. But they still pride. Like the pride is
frustrating the the victims. You know what I'm saying, So
that I don't mind my pastor having it, but you
walking by, the pride of man is really on display

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right now, and it's frustrating people who.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Know what it really is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
It's like, you want your pastor to be French, you
know what I'm saying. But it's like, come on, man,
we know such and such in this church. We know
she's struggling. You know she got five kids. We know
she's a single mother.

Speaker 8 (01:00:23):
And it's let me ask you this, if you had
a better house with your than your pastor, would you
try to help him or would you be like God
got him?

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I'll probably say God got you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
See how it's turned, See how it's turned exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I think I think, in.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
All seriousness, I feel like that's when the church should
come together to uplift. Like I feel like if we
all in church, and we all want together and we
all you know, worshiping the same God.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I feel like we should all help each other.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
So if my house is better than my pastor house,
I feel like I should come to him and say, Yo,
what do you need from me?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
How can I help you?

Speaker 8 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I honestly feel like some of these megachurches have
systems in place to help give care to those who
are in need. I've seen that, and I've seen the
what I call wax side as well, and what you're
talking about. But I have seen systems in place where
if anybody in the church has a need, you contact
such and such. They go through a process and their
service gotcha want you. This is just me in the hoods,

(01:01:26):
just just what I saying. And I know a lot
of people like you. It's a lot of people feel
like I feel. So that makes you not want to
go to church, Like if it's a bad if it's
a bad waffle house here, do you not go to?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
No waffle houses? No knowlogy, No, No, I don't. I don't.
I don't think that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
I just think that people people sometimes in this day
and age, miss missed the message with the lifestyle. Okay,
you know what I mean, like, yeah, God, they missed
the message, and you said they miss it. They missed
a message with the lifestyle that you're seeing on social media.
So now it's like now you're saying, like pastors like these,

(01:02:04):
these pastors have all this money. So now if you
looking on social media, you not even really paying attention
what they preaching. You paying it, You're paying attention what
they have. And I'm just being honest because this this
is how I know a lot of young people feel
so and and some pastors attempt to be relevant.

Speaker 8 (01:02:22):
They probably do put on a chain because if you
scrolling and I look humble, would you stop? You know
what I'm saying, if Drake is the next one looking,
if that's what the young people, I'm not saying they
should do that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I'm just talking.

Speaker 8 (01:02:33):
I haven't even talked to anybody about this. I'm just
thinking objectively right now. The pastor's attempt to be fly,
he gonna have on a lowis shirt and speaking in
place a wag surfing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Y'all not gonna get me, y'all, don't get me. Y'all
not gonna want a pastor.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Got on a shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
What's wrong? What's wrong with the pastor having a Louis
Baton show wear that when you going to date, no
wear in front of people. That's browing it. Come on, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
So when a drug dealer get money and they go
back to their hood and the is that disrespectful? He
not selling god, he's selling dope.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
So it's that, it's that part. It's what you what,
It's what you shot you.

Speaker 8 (01:03:11):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
For me though, for me it's also the bad the
ones that get in trouble, hunt it and make headlines.
That sometimes messes up my mind. So now when I
see something, I'm half.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
All right, he on point? Can I be quick?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Always is this money coming from because he's actually doing
good or is this money coming from he's getting it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
From or even pastors who have you know, do things
that are not right to kids or or to their
their spouses.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
So it's a lot of that that kind of messes
with the people's mind. So then when you see a
really good pastor, sometimes you almost.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Like skeptical and it's and it's the money too, because
we talk about the success that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
You had, care about the money that a man Listen,
I want you.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
But you can always keep it real with us, Yeah,
is it a god complex or a man complex?

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
To me? Because if you all think.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
They present one thing, but they're really just.

Speaker 8 (01:04:13):
But are you gonna be like are you gonna be like, Oh,
he ain't right. But I want God so bad I'm
gonna find somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Whoever told me never to play with God? So therefore
when I meet someone I never met before, who would be,
let's just go to a new church. My grandma should
never play with God.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
So that's a possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
This man could be playing with God in my face,
and I'm gonna be like, nah, now I'm gonna fall.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Back from God, No, from this God. That's what that's
his point.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
That's an example of this is kind of like when
your parents got divorced and you thought one way the
whole time, you kind of straight away, but then you
always came back. You didn't do anything bad when you
were gone, like at the clubs, but you found your
way back because.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
That was embedded in you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
This is beautiful and it wasn't better than me in
that space.

Speaker 8 (01:05:05):
I literally, to me for the first time, heard the
voice of God and he said, I know your father
hurt you, but have I ever heard you? I'm like, oh,
who is that I've been playing. I know a flat
C in F sharp. I don't know the voice of God.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I knew church.

Speaker 8 (01:05:21):
I didn't know God until that happened. And when I
heard the voice of God, then it arrested me. It
gave me all that stuff. I began to develop a
real relationship with God, like just talking straight up, y'a,
I'm gonna hurt man and building my a real prayer life,
not a religious father. I had religious prayers before that.
I heard Grandma and them prayer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I have religious praise before. Oh Glory.

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
Now since that I left, everything I thought was real
about God was fake because maybe it wasn't real to
me because I didn't even know. I thought I knew
his voice because I knew church atmosphere. So if it's like,
oh he's here, he ain't run around the church.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
God is here. But for myself, yo, I had to
go through that to know for myself that God is real.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
So now in any environment, fake preach, a real preacher
phony corny da da da whack on point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I know from in here how to connect. I know
from there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
He is not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:06:18):
Don't let it to turn you from God, because you're
gonna need that anchor in you to know how to
move in any atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yo, whether you're in the hood or you're in the church,
you're gonna need that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
You're gonna need that compass and that that that that
God from within to protect you, to guide you, and
so you never be lost.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
You always know what to do and just to piggyback off.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
That is just like over you know, Easter Sunday at
my church, the pastor was saying, you know, who do
you run to for forgiveness? Because you know he's preaching
the when Judas had portrayed Jesus and he tried to
go back and give back the money, and they wasn't
trying to hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
They didn't accept him, nobody. He couldn't run to nobody,
you know what I'm saying. So he's out like he
could fix it hisself.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
And then he hung him hung himself, and it's just
like you know who he was just asking the people
and who do you run to? Like I think like
when these people, like you said, the kids and stuff,
you know, they looking at sexy reds and all these
people and what they think they want. But when it's
something really happens in their lives. They need to know

(01:07:23):
who to run to, and that's Jesus because he is
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
That's good.

Speaker 8 (01:07:26):
Yeah, that's that's literally what they should be hearing from
zero years old. You understand what I'm saying. When we did,
like when we did the prayer Sunday for resurrection Sunday,
he was like, man, who wants to be safe, who
wants to just start a relationship with God? So we
prayed them or whatever, and I was like, hey, don't
they don't stop here. Your journey starts here, y'all. So
I said, so just pick up a Bible, pray, pray

(01:07:48):
without knowing what you're doing. Read the Bible without understanding everything.
Because we talk to our kids before they understand what
we're saying until they understand us. So keep talking to
God til you understand. Keep reading the Bible until you
get it, because that's our father.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
So we do have him to run to.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
But everybody don't see or or not taught that option,
so they're forced to not force themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
And that is not the case. And had Judas waited
three days.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Don't preach to me, girl, don't preach to me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Up in here, right. I have a seven month old
she about to be eight months old. I mean, I
got five kids, but this is number five. But I
just say, she doesn't know English. I'm talking to her
until she understands Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
And God is doing the same thing, bro.

Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
It's a lot of people who just don't understand his voice.
It's a little we say, ooh, something told me not
to go there when they had a shoot out there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
So that's something.

Speaker 8 (01:08:40):
Is God that little that little we call it intuition, vibes, energy,
whatever you want to call it. I believe it's the
spirit of God leading us to safety, protection, wisdom, and prosperity.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
For him.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Yeah, because you know, you know that may go wrong.
Only last for the night, only one night though.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
But.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Joy coming to the producer of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
So joy come in the morning.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
You have like a pastor community like are y'all like
in the community pastor community cool with oaths that are
that are like you. Yeah, Yo, yo, y'all got I
got comedian beef, He said, Yo.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Yes and no Wow, I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yo, I got you. You have punchlines, man, I said, Yo,
it's yes and no for me.

Speaker 8 (01:09:40):
I don't I don't meet with all the pastors in
the community and all that stuff. We don't have like
meetings and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
They they do. I'm not always invited, and I'm cool
with everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:09:51):
Before I became the pastor in that church, I've probably
been to their churches or events, so we we we
probably crossed paths here there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
So I'm cool with every body, but we don't have
like a network. Gotcha.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Yeah, Now this is this random, but how did y'all
feel about Kanye West? Been a pastor for two years?
He was a pastor whatever he was trying to do
Sunday services. He was trying to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Did that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Did that? Bother you? What he was doing this Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
I think he wanted to come to to live at
that time, we.

Speaker 8 (01:10:20):
Rant a bigger church and on that to shoot the
video to do. Yeah, he was going to different church.
He was singing and doing their Sunday morning services.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
He did a couple in Atlanta.

Speaker 8 (01:10:29):
Yeah, and I was like, Yo, you know, I've never
met him. I'll say I would like to have a
conversation with him first before something like that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
You know what I'm saying. I love what he's saying. Jesus.

Speaker 8 (01:10:37):
Everything is like on point, but I just want to
have a conversation before I just be like, yeah, you
know what I mean, I say, Kanye here, So.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
That never happened. I didn't feel bad. I loved it.
I was like, this guy screaming.

Speaker 8 (01:10:48):
Everything he was saying was on point. Everything the songs
was glorifying God. I had no real choirs what he
does now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
I mean in that and that time, it was a
little more.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
In that moment in time, it was exactly what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
It was what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
I remember it because I was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Like, oh wow, he was I was I was like,
this is dope.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
But I always wondered, like, how does other churches and
pastors feel about the way he's preaching it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yeah, a little bit, I love a little.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
Bit different after but it was a cleanup after he
made a mess with the black community.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
And then he went into see I know what black
people love God?

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Is that what Trump doing?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
I'm just saying, was we just talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Selling bibles? Now he wasn't talking about using God. He's
selling Trump selling shoes. Black people love shoes.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
It's like, you know, it's kind of blasphemous at the
so you felt like that was I'm just saying it
was like a cleanup for you know what, Well, I
done pissed the black people off.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
What the black people love more than anything. God, I'm
going to preach that now.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
It's kind of like I'm off of that and I
got my wife round here naked. You know, I'm not
sure that that is aligned with the word you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Yeah, it's kind of that's just outrageous all the way, Lizus,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
He said, you know, I got a problem with Jesus
because when I when I pray, he didn't come through
for me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I was like, whoa, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Anybody just doing Sunday service, Yeah, a year and a
half ago.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
So I just wish I could have a conversation with him,
you know what I mean. But I love when he
was doing it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
I loved it at least Jesus was getting the attention
like I hate Jesus or yeah, look I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I just love that it was being talked about on
that platform. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
So what would you say to him?

Speaker 8 (01:12:29):
I would say, we are his children more than he's
our God. He's not obligated to do what we want
him to do. We're obligated to do what he wants
us to do. That I would open that by I
got not my own on my on my arm, because
I need that remind him the tattoo pastor.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Oh my lord, I've been here the whole day. I'm
so dark.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
You ain't no yeah a sleep on ye.

Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
I would just encourage that humility in approaching God, like, Bro,
he didn't come through for you when you wanted him to,
Like he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
He doesn't work for us, He doesn't serve us. We
serve him.

Speaker 8 (01:13:05):
You understand what I'm saying. And that would be the
first layer that I would try to communicate with him
in another way. I don't know how it will say
it throughout the conversation. That would be my theme like.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
This, basically, just because it doesn't go your way doesn't
mean that you stray.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
One week they screamed Hosanna.

Speaker 8 (01:13:21):
The next week they said crucify him because they thought
we were getting the king that was gonna kill Caesar.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Where your army at you? Here on a donkey? You
got these twelve guys with you? Wear your army. Are
you're supposed to save us from this work?

Speaker 8 (01:13:34):
So because Jesus did not do what they expected him
to do or how they wanted him to do it,
he didn't have no army.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
He actually respected Caesar.

Speaker 8 (01:13:41):
He said render under Caesar with Caesars, give him his tax,
give him his money. They're like, what, crucify him? He
can't be because he's not doing it our way. And
we always do that. We don't scream, crucify him, but
we turned the arm We turned from him if he
doesn't do things how we want him to do it.
But we're his children more than he's our god, you

(01:14:02):
know what I mean. We belong to him more than
he belongs to us. If that makes any sense, that
makes it respective?

Speaker 10 (01:14:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, We'll be right back. Stay tuned
with more of The Baller Alert Show. You're listening to
a special edition of The Baller Alert Show.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
What's up?

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
Everybody tie tribute here. Make sure you stay tuned to
The Baller Alert Show.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Only one night though. This is yeah right right, the
tours popping.

Speaker 6 (01:14:28):
You know you're gonna be back here in Atlanta June sixth,
I believe, yeah, tune second. I'm sorry June second June today, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
The something that, oh we have a church that day, y'all. Hey,
the only one night though tour.

Speaker 8 (01:14:41):
I'm excited about it, going out starting May seventeenth, going
throughout June again. It's a big deal to me because
I'm going out by myself again. I'm grabbing some friends
in certain areas. So when I'm here, I'll probably pull on,
you know, some of the artists around here, and then
when I'm in other cities, I'll do the same. But
primarily I'm I doing this myself, So that means a

(01:15:02):
lot to me that people are supporting it, that people
are buying tickets and people like we're gonna go see Tide.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
That means a lot to me.

Speaker 8 (01:15:08):
And on the business side, with the people we're partnering with,
they can see that and be like okay, and they'll
put more resources and other things I want to do,
like if I want to travel and do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
A podcast or a service somewhere.

Speaker 8 (01:15:18):
You know, it means a lot to me that people
are supporting this tour because it opens the door to
more things that I want to do. Only one night
though tour, y'all coming to a city they you it's
about to be crazy. I'm speaking, and the spirit. The
theme what I want to say overall that whole night
is basically, well, my theme is freeligious. I'm starting this

(01:15:38):
movement called f religious freedom, from religious practices, from the culture, church,
and your family. Those are three things that tend to
bind us. We already talked about the church. Culture can
be binding to. We talked about culture too, the you know,
the shabby yeah. And then family sometimes could just be
a stronghold you can't move forward because this is how

(01:16:01):
we do here. This is da da da da, not
causing separation, but just an option of freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
So free legions is the theme. I'm doing new songs, y'all.
I'm doing new songs, y'all.

Speaker 8 (01:16:11):
It should be out, the single should be I don't know,
but anyway, new songs, new music coming soon.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Only one night though, sitting near you. I'm too excited
about this.

Speaker 8 (01:16:20):
We're already planning it and we're already getting a little
setless and stuff together.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Like you said, books maybe come in podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
All this stuff. Yeah, books coming.

Speaker 8 (01:16:31):
I got a book coming called A Secret Place, and
it's basically what we talked about. The Bible says when
you pray. Don't pray like these pharisees all out in
the open. Go in the closet. Shut the door. And
your father, who is in secret, and if he sees
in secret, he'll reward you openly. I'm like he is
in secret. There's a secret place that we all have
where the Father speaks to us everybody, not everybody, not

(01:16:53):
just everybody, but every thing. God can speak and does
speak to everything he created. He looked at the wor
orders and says, stand up, my kids are coming through
with the red sea. He told the well, open your mouth,
swallow my prophet. He he, he told that, He told,
he cursed the fig tree. He he could speak to things,
and he speaks to people. I don't care if you're
in the hood. I don't care if you never had
a Bible in your life. I don't care if you've

(01:17:14):
never heard of Jesus. That's something that secret place. God
is speaking to you. So we all have access to
God church are not religious or not. He loves us
enough to draw him to himself. So secret Place is
a book. Coming out is kind of just letting everybody
know you already, you already got them.

Speaker 6 (01:17:31):
You know what I'm saying, and uh, you need to
we need to support that, get you on the best
seller list, you know, attribute to all your other trophies
that you yeah, because you are a success.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
Mann appreciate you so much. And I was gonna say,
for the only uh the only one night though, Are
you sure gonna say?

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
Luther van Drass is in my head for one night
for you know who has a great voice. But and
that's another thing Man R and B has changed a lot,
I feel like because a lot of the older singers
used to come from the church, you know, and it's
it's you know, that's the conversation within itself. But the
Only one night though song was that like in the

(01:18:14):
midst of a word or something, because the way it
comes on, it's like cold, and that's like immediately for
people who don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I got a song a week gon b all right, yeah, right,
So after that song, we're gonna be all right, it's
gonna be alright. And I was just flowing, it's gonna
be all right. We've been man doing for tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:18:29):
It just happened in that whole moment the song comes on,
We've been man doing fortnight, but it came from We're
Gonna be all right. You know we've been mean doing
for at night, but joy comes in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
That whole song was a freestyle, y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
It sounded like it because I was just like he
just preaching it, just saying that, and they just put
the music to it.

Speaker 8 (01:18:45):
Was like everybody was like that whole thing happened in
that moment, and we just decided to leave it just
as long as it is. The radio radio cut is different,
but it's just like ten minutes long. Yeah, which just
leave it all over.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
You could pass forward if you want.

Speaker 10 (01:19:00):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
People love it. They feel it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
It's cool though it's a vibe.

Speaker 8 (01:19:03):
Yes, people are feeling it because it just can't It
was like a direct download. I think people just kind
of feel that that is happening in the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
And yeah, only one night though. Tour on the way. Sure, man,
we appreciate you betiding bother.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Thank you for I appreciate y'all. Please listen. We gotta
get the jail tales. Next time you come back and
you get.

Speaker 8 (01:19:22):
Ready to promote your book, because you got some I
gotta tell you these stories.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Though.

Speaker 6 (01:19:27):
We're gonna talk about it a little make a deal
you give a jill tell betill, you give a church, tale.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Church and tail jail. I definitely got church. I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
Yes, before we get out of here that we do
have to have a pep talk.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
What's up everybody? This is tied trippit. Listen.

Speaker 8 (01:19:43):
No matter what you've been through or no matter what
you're going through, let me give you a little bit
of hope.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Right now. There is a guy who cares.

Speaker 8 (01:19:50):
I'm thinking of a Bible verse that says, cast all
your cares upon him, for he cares for you any
care that you have.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
It says cast it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:58):
That means throw it, get it off of you, get
the anxiety off of you, get the stress off of you,
and give it to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
The one who not only can handle it, not only
can God handle it, yo, But that scripture says he cares. Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:20:13):
I love the fact that you can give your cares
to somebody who actually cares for you. And remember that
weeping only endorsed for one night, but joy comes in
the morning. I remember being in Atlanta and it was
raining so hard and I was going crazy, and my
friend said, don't worry. If it's raining is hard, it
can't last long. And I want you to know that
in your life, if it's raining really really hard, that's

(01:20:35):
just because the enemy know his time is all most up.
Be blessed, be encouraged, and God.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Is with you. Peace. Can't get enough of baller Alert.

Speaker 10 (01:20:45):
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