May 4, 2024 • 37 mins
NYC Mayor Adams blasts protesters for replacing the American flag. Entrepreneur and former presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy joins Clay and Buck to discuss the campus protests and whether he would serve in a Trump administration. UNC fraternity brothers sing National Anthem while protecting flag from anti-Semitic protesters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show,
Hour number three. Just FYI, we already heard from Tulsei
Gabbard in the first hour of the program. She was great.
Encourage you to go check it out on the podcast.
In the third hour, we're going to talk with you
(00:21):
here in about thirty minutes with Babak Ramaswami, who is
certainly actively campaigning on behalf of Donald Trump, and a
little bit of a preview. Donald Trump has touched down
in Walkeshaw, Wisconsin. He is doing a big rally. In
about an hour or so, he will be speaking, and
(00:44):
the Trump team has shared some of his remarks with
us and said we can discuss what he is going
to be discussing. And so I'll read a paragraph that
Trump is going to deliver here in a little bit
that I think is a very winning argument, and he
says that Bidenomics is a flat out failure and that
(01:06):
on day one of his new administration, We're going to
throw out Bidenomics and reinstate Magonomics. Upon taking office, I'll
impose an immediate moratorium on all new spending grants and
giveaways under Biden's mammoth socialist bills like the so called
Inflation Reduction Act. That's a little bit of a preview
(01:28):
for those of us, those of you in Wisconsin who
are going to be hearing from Trump in a little
bit Wednesday. No trial in session, and they are trying
to get rolling with all of these visits that they
can stack together in these locations. We talked earlier, right
(01:48):
as we finished the hour, about the fact that the
protests are not going away. Protesters are already back. And
I do think there are Democrats, reasonable Democrats that are
super fed up about what's going on. And I want
to give him credit. Eric Adams has not been a
fabulous mayor for New York City so far. I think
(02:08):
he's not as bad as de Blasio. You can answer that.
I think it would be hard to be as bad
as Bill de Blasio.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Adams's shortcomings are from a lack of ability to run
the bureaucracy, but they're not out of malice. For the
most part. Bill de Blasio was like, Oh, the city
is great and functions well and everyone wants to be
here and everything is actually going really well. Let's tear
this down. Let's bring a little socialism, let's bring some
(02:35):
Marxist flair to this place.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So he was actively a destructor of New York. The
NYPD shared a video on social which we have shared
and you can check it out at Clayanbuck dot com
of them raising an American flag at the City University
or City College of New York, where they had raised
a Palestinian flag. This also happened at the University of
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North Carolina Chapel Hill, and you may have seen the
viral photo or viral video of a bunch of unc
frat guys coming together to hold the United States flag
up to keep it from being on the ground. That
is an iconic photo. Already. Props to those young men.
But Eric Adams seems I don't think he's acting here,
(03:19):
genuinely disgusted by what he is seeing at Columbia University,
and I would imagine, as we talked about Buck, also
pretty disgusted that whenever they arrest these guys, they immediately
get to come right back on the streets and there
are no consequences. But listen to this. We already said
that he has said that these are outside agitators. He
also said, and this is true, and this is why
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I'm more troubled. I'm not as troubled by stupid young people,
because stupid young people can grow up to be reasonable adults.
The problem here is there are a lot of professors
encouraging this behavior and telling these kids you need to
be protesting like this, which led Eric Adams to say,
there's a real movement to radicalize young people. Play cut fourteen.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
There is a movement to radicalize young people, and I'm
not going to wait until it's done and all of
a sudden acknowledge the existence of it. This is a
global problem that young people are being influenced by those
who are professionals at radicalizing our children, and I'm not
going to allow that to happen as the mayor of
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the City of New York.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
All right, that's cut one. I want to play the
next one for you too. Buck. Here is Eric Adams,
in particular, speaking to a university allowing the Palestinian flag
to be flying on campus as opposed to the United
States flag. Cut fifteen.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Another significant part of the video was at the end,
that's how flag, folks, It's We'll take over our buildings
and put another flag up. That may be fine to
other people, but it's not to me. My uncle died
defending this country, and these men and women put their
lives on the line, and it's suspicable that schools will
(05:02):
allow another country flag to fly in our country. So
blame me for being proud to be an American, and
I think the Commission of Daughtry for putting that flag
back up. We're not surrendering our way of life to anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
As I said, he's not an evil Marxist. Deblasio is
an evil Marxist. Yeah, Adams is just he's a Democrat,
and he has some limitations, I think as a as
a leader of a very complicated bureaucracy and a very
politically challenging place, New York City.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
But I do think that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I do think that overall, on the most basic issues,
he still lives in reality. I think that he still
supports the NYPD.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But he touched on THO.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's something we haven't talked about today, and it's about
the other flag and other country's flag. Do you know
that at Columbia. I've seen different numbers, but I think
it's almost half of the students are on foreign student visas.
There's a huge number of these students at these Ivy
League schools that are foreigners, and I gotta say, why
(06:07):
is that? Okay, Look, what are we doing here as
a country. Don't these universities have a patriotic duty to
Dare I say, educate Americans first?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know they talk about.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
All the oh it's so unfair, and look at all
the you know, we have the disparate impact and not
a representation of minority groups. Why are you taking wealthy
foreign students from all over the world at the expense
of Americans whose parents and families are contributing here and
part of our American family. I think this is a
(06:42):
big deal, and it's been a big deal for a while,
but I think people are recognizing. Hold on a second.
These schools are full of foreigners who are now protesting
on our campuses to tell us what our leadership should
be doing with regard to Israel and a bunch of
savage terrorists in Hamas get the.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Hell out of our country.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
What are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I think is a fantastic question. My suspicion is this
is economic that the foreign students probably pay full to it.
They all pay full, so they do not get money absolutely,
so their their argument will probably be I would think
that these foreign students subsidize their ability to provide a
lower cost education for American students. I think that would
(07:24):
probably be their argument. But it ties in with to me,
the fundamental question.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, wait, before you move past that, just but I mean,
do you see what I mean about how okay? I
understand there's a utilitarian economic garden clay these universities. I mean,
don't just think of it as Columbia. Think of it
as MIT and cal Tech. And they're training people at
the highest levels in technology, in artificial intelligence, in telecommunications,
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higher level math, theoretical physics, you name it, nuclear physics.
And you know that the FBI is supposed to be
trust me, they you know, they're not doing a very
good job of knowing what's going on where and who's
learning what. Why should these schools not have I mean,
this should be looked at much more so, much more closely.
I think if you're going to go back and help
their country compete against US, I think if you're arrested
(08:18):
as a foreign student protesting and violating the law in America,
you should immediately get sent back to your country. I mean,
according to the Center for Immigration Studies in twenty twenty two, Clay,
fifty five percent of Columbia University students were foreigners, non Americans.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
That's outrageous. Well, what, we have.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No obligation to be educating the rest, you know, sure
if we have, you know, some super genius that we
want to bring here because we think, you know, I understand.
I'm not saying no foreign students should be allowed. Fifty
five percent is too high. Okay, that's too much. And
I think what this ties in with what per percentage
of Democrats would be willing to say America is a
(09:05):
great country and our flag should proudly fly. That's the
scary part to me and the young.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I give credit to Eric Adams for saying it in
that clip that his uncle died for this country and
he thinks it's an outrage that any other flag should
be flying over an American campus. I agree with him.
I think the scary thing is what you're really seeing
is that Americans are that America is not beloved by
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huge parts of the Democrat Party. Remember the staff that
came out. What would happen when the Ukraine? Everybody's out
there in the Democrat Party, like, we've got to defend Ukraine.
Let's give them sixty billion, Let's give them six hundred billion.
And they actually did a poll and said would you
defend America if it were invaded? And majorities of Democrats
(09:57):
said no. I mean, these are people who believe this
is the toxic nature of what they're being taught. They
are being taught that our country is evil, that its
foundation is unsupportable because men, white men are awful racist,
and this ties in. I saw this shared by Frank
Lutz yesterday last night. I believe it was. We've talked
(10:21):
about this some on the show, but I think it's
worth illustrating. If you're over sixty five and you're listening
to us right now, you probably legitimately feel like you
live in a different country than the one you grew
up in, and it ain't a good thing. Here's a
stat for you, buck. If you're over sixty five, ninety
three percent of over sixty fives support Israel, seven percent
(10:46):
support Hamas ninety three to seven. If you're sixty five plus.
How about if you're eighteen to twenty four. This is
Frank Lutz, This is from the Hill. Fifty seven percent
support Israel, forty three percent supports Hamas. It's basically fifty
to fifty. If you are eighteen to twenty four in
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this country, who's on the side of good and who's
on the side of evil? How does that happen in
the space of two generations, We've gone from sixty five
plus y'all out there listening to me, you understand good
and evil and the right to defend yourself against terrorists.
Eighteen to twenty four year olds, They're like, this is
a toss up issue for us, whether Israel or Hamas
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is on the right side. That is what is scary
to me, because you would like to think those people
are going to grow up buck and they're going to
turn into Oh, I'm going to be able to see
good and evil when I said at the end of
last hour. Is what scares me. They actually think that
they are seeing good and evil and they're on the
wrong side. Those are the people who are scary people.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
How are it peasible to have any to have any
framework of morality whatsoever, not even just to pick incorrectly,
but to think that Hamas is anything other than a
an evil organization. It's it's hard to it's hard to
wrap your mind around that. I think part of it
is the ignorance of They just don't know. They don't
know what was going on in the Second Intifada. They
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don't know about the suicide bombing campaigns. They don't know
about Hamas's celebration of death. They don't know about its
execution of homosexuals. They don't know about its torture and
murder of political dissonance from within its own ranks. Like
I think they never mind the virtual enslavement of women.
I think they just don't know, and they're very stupid.
But it's still troubling. I mean, they're they're the useful
(12:38):
idiots of this movement, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And you can be troubled by the idiocy of the
young people. That's why the scare. They don't know good
and evil. You would hope that they could be taught.
The problem is the instructors at the universities they attend
are telling them what they are doing is just they're
standing and linking arms to try to keep the police
(13:01):
from stopping them. That is, they're they're being taught this
that I will tell you. I I when I hear
that someone is a.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Professor at a lot of these places in a non
hard science, and you don't know math, physics. I mean,
there still are people who are normal who teach those things.
But when you hear that someone teaches like Middle East
studies somewhere, I just almost always assume to myself this
person is an unimpressive buffoon who is basically a communist,
(13:33):
because that is how present it is at these colleges
and universities. Now it's ninety percent, it's ninety five percent.
You know, there are exceptions, but they're so rare that
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Tulsi in a VP debate with Kamala.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I'm not gonna I don't know if Tulsi would be
a great debater. I couldn't say that that. I think
she'd be competent, but I don't think that that's necessarily her.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I thought she was. I thought she was pretty good
in the Democrat debate. She ran for president. What in uh?
I can't even remember now twenty if everything runs together,
one of the kids, Yeah, I think so. It wasn't sixteen,
it was twenty, everything runs together. And I thought she
savaged Kamala pretty good in a multi candidate debate. If
(16:59):
you remember that, she went after Kamala Harris pretty aggressively.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And like I remember it now, Yeah, was it on
the Kamala was too tough on criminals things. That's kind
of funny in retrospect, Remember that was the thing for
a while.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, it was Kamala has tried to claim now and
she's still doing it. No one should ever be in
jail for smoking weed, and then like she put tons
of people in jail for smoking weed, which is very funny.
I think it was just that Kamala Harris is a
fundamentally dishonest person. Maybe we could grab that clip, because
what I remember is watching that live and thinking, oh,
(17:32):
my goodness, Tulsi Gabbert just pulled out the sword and
just cut Kamala, just like I vaguely sliced that off
my memory. I vaguely remember that.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Joe writes in I have favorite Tulsi for Trump's VP
for a long time, intelligence centered and would help keep
the Deep State from putting the US in perpetual wars.
As a man, albeit an old man, she has a
beautiful voice I could listen to all day. Well, Joe,
from Tulsi to you, Aloha.
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I know you've been all over the country helping out
Donald Trump, but I just want to start with this.
You're in the neighborhood of Buck and myself's ages. You've
been on a lot of these college campuses, I'm sure
on your presidential campaign, but also you were on them
as a student not very long ago. Would you have
believed that we would ever be in a situation where
a place like the UCLA would be banning Jewish students
(19:37):
from being able to walk through the campus, that they
would be pulling down the United States flag and replacing
it with the flag of Palestine all over the country.
Could you have foreseen this? The vake.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
So not with great pleasure. No, but you could see
the direction this was going for a very long time.
And I'm not trying to claim some sort of level
of foresight from before, but even a few years ago,
when I wrote my book Woke Ink, before people really
knew what the word woke was.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's where this road ends.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And I think what many people may misunderstand even about
the current situation is describing it as anti Semitic, while understandable,
misses the point.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Actually, what you're.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Really seeing amongst young people, and you've been seeing this
for the last decade or more, is a deep hunger
for purpose. They are starved for a cause, They are lost.
And when you don't believe in the American flag, you
start pledging allegiance to a different flag instead. It could
be the transgender flag, it could be the Palestinian flag,
it could be, in some cases, even weirdly, the Ukraine flag.
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And I think that that's a separate debate to be had.
But we have this innate hunger for purpose, to be
part of something bigger than ourselves.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And when you want to be part of something bigger.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Than yourself and you no longer believe in God, you
no longer believe in your country, you no longer identify
as a member of a family or see yourself as
an individual. You start believing in new kinds of secular
cults instead. And this is just the latest one, And
so I think that's really what's happening.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
It's not specific to this issue. Most students who are protesting.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
On behalf of Palestine have no idea what the heck
they're actually even protesting for. You have students on campuses
chanting infittata, which they don't realize is actually a complete
inversion of the word they're trying to say, which is intofada,
their word for uprising. They don't even know what they're chanting.
You look at some of those video recordings, that's what
you hear. That's the essence of what's going on is
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these people are lost, and I think we got to
see that before we actually find an actual solution, rather
than just playing whack a mole, which is what I
think many in the conservative movement frankly, have been trying
to do as response.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Hey, Vivek, it's buck.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know all these campuses, we're seeing a level of
madness that is surprising to some, but I think for
those of us who've been paying attention. This is just
the latest iteration of it. This is the latest spasm,
if you will, of their lunacy. And I'm reminded a
little bit of the movie Aliens. Are you an Aliens fan?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Do you remember? I think it just had its like
anniversary recently it was released forty feth anniversary. I think
I saw it was in theaters. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
A great that It was a great, great movie, James
Cameron movie back in the day. But remember when they
say we have to nuke the site from orbit. It's
the only way to be sure. No one's suggesting we
knew these campuses, But I just want to know, is
there a way to fix these things?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Or do we just need to.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Do we just need to separate? Do do people that
have a recognition of how toxic this has become realized
that there's no fixing Columbia University as it currently stands.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
How do you see that?
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Well, look, I think that actually those two things go together.
Is building alternative institutions is a necessary next step, and
some of.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Those institutions are being built.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
When you think about the private sector, corporate America, the
financial services sector, when you think about academic institutions and
universities that competition does one thing. It provides an alternative
where people are able to go the likes of University Austin, Texas,
Ralston College, Hillsdale. Think about even places like Ashland University
here in Ohio, where I spoke recently really smart students,
(23:05):
by the way, completely not the goal to be large,
national name brand institutions, but just pursue excellence in local contexts.
I think as those competitors start to draw great students
away from the esteemed institutions of yesterday, the Columbias, I
mean even I'm ashamed of the alma maters and the
behaviors I've seen in places like Harvard and Yale. That
is going to have an effect not just on providing
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additional choices for students, but I think that's going to
change the behaviors of those existing institutions as well. So
it's the absence of competition that actually breeds this type
of discontent, and so I do think creating new institutions
is an answer. So it's not just separation for the
sake of separation, the separation for the sake of actually
bringing competition in a marketplace of ideas where it has
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been lacking. I think part of that solution, though, is
we have to offer an alternative vision, especially to that
next generation. And this is where the conservative movement has
fallen short. We will sit here complaining about one of
those religions at a time, right, wokeism, transgenderism, climatism, Covidism,
you could have your favoriteism. Anti Semitism now fits that list.
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I think that each of those religions, those cults are
really just symptoms of that deeper void. And I think
we have to as a movement go back to being
firm about what we actually stand for, right the individual, family, nation,
and God, beat race, gender, sexuality and climate. If we
have the courage to actually stand for something. And so
(24:32):
some of this is on the other side, but some
of this is our own problem too, is we've grown
lazy as a movement just criticizing the radical Biden agenda
or whatever it is that we're pontificating about without actually
offering an alternative vision of what it means to be
an American, what it means to be an individual, what.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
It means to be sovereign. I think sovereignty itself.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Sovereignty at the level of the individual and the family
and the nation and being a nation under God. Those
are foreign concepts to the conservative movement of today. It's
not exactly what you're Republican politicians or even commentators talking
about today, as opposed to using whatever the latest trope
was on social media to criticize some.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Flub of Biden.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
That's lazy and it's falling short of what we really
need to be doing if we want to fill that
vacuum of purpose that accounts for a lot of the
lunacy that we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Levig, you are like Buck and myself. You've been very fortunate.
You're building a family. Now you are obviously trying to
spread what I would hope is an antidote to this
issue with a lack of purpose that exists across much
of American youth. What's the best way for you to
do that? In your mind? As we gear up for
(25:42):
the six month basically starting block here of the election
in November, do you think VP is that play? Have
you talked to Trump about that? Do you think that
you're in the mix for that? Are there other cabinet
positions that to you make sense. I know you're going
to be working hard to get Trump elected no matter what.
But on an individual basis, what's the most effective version?
(26:03):
You think of yourself? Where should you go? Where should
you be?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
So look, I think every person's got to look themselves
in the mirror and say, here are my God given gifts.
How am I going to use those to maximize impact
on saving our country at a moment where let's be honest,
if we don't get this right in the next seven years,
it's how it long taw long it took to win
the American Revolution. I don't think we have a country left,
and I do think we're in one of those seventeen
seventy six moments today, and so Donald Trump is now
(26:31):
the George Washington figure of winning that modern American Revolution.
Took all of our founding fathers, many of them to
each wear their own different hats, to really set this
nation into motion. A couple things I look at, what
are the things we need to accomplish that we can
accomplish through executive power if we're successful.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Two mass deportations.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
One is the mass deportations of millions of illegals in
this country who shouldn't be here, sealed the border along
with it, and birthright citizenship and once and for all
fix that immigration issue in our country.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
And the second is the massive.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Deportation of about three million federal bureaucrats out of Washington,
DC that should have never been there in the first place,
cleaning up that fourth branch, that deep state that I
think is the source of the rot and the corruption
that infests every layer of government and even our culture.
So those are two of the things I've been most
passionate about.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
In my own presidential campaign.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
And if I'm able to play a role in doing
one or both or the other of those things, or
both of them, you know, I think I'm going to
do everything I can to play my role to restore
the country. But in terms of what position different people occupy,
that decision belongs to President Trump. It's the beauty of
actually having a chief executive who's been an executive, deserves
to actually staff the administration and the way he runs
the country with the people who he believes are best
(27:40):
in each position. He I've had some great conversations, and
I'll be honored to play some hopefully significant role in
reviving this country.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Just don't forget your friends. When your Treasury secretary or
a catch of the country.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Okay, do you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Think you're still in the running. Do you think you're
still in the running for VP, or do you think
someone else is going to be in that role? And
maybe there's.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Something going to I'm not going to out of respect
to my conversations with President Trump and for the decisions
he needs to make, I'm not going to play the
game of you know, musical chairs of who are speculation.
What I will say is I've told him this is
I'm excited to serve in whatever capacity maximize the impact
for the country. We've had a great relationship, and I
think there's a lot of people, by the way, in
(28:20):
our bench that can play a lot of important roles,
each of which we're going to need to save the country.
And so whether that's people from the White House positions
to the VP to cabinet level positions, all of them
are important and I'm here to play my part.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
And so I just think I'm optimist important to be successful.
We can't count our chickens before they hatch.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
I want to say a word about this too, is
this discussion presumed that there's some sort of victory that
we can take for granted. In November remember, just a
couple of years ago, we had this red wave that
was supposed to come. That red wave never came. And
I think that we're actually potentially on track to being
complacent and seeing that same risk play out unless we
actually step up and do things differently this time around,
(28:58):
both in terms of articulating our all turn a vision
and in terms of the legwork of execution. Right, A
vision without execution is a hallucination. That's what Einstein, That's
what Thomas Edison said, and I think it's true every
bit today in politics, as it is in any other realm.
You don't like early voting too bad, got to play
by the rules to win in order to change the
rules to be what you want them to be. And
(29:19):
so you know, I think that it is important to
have transition plans and what comes afterwards, and I think
President Trump's being very thoughtful about that, and I'm hopeful
to play an important role in saving this country. But
we're only going to get there if we actually succeed
by decisive margins. And let's be honest, a fifty point
one margin doesn't work this time around. I think that,
let's be very frank, a landslide minus some Shenanigans is
(29:41):
still a decisive victory, and that's what we're going to
need at a moment where we're skating on thin ice,
where we have decisive majorities, and not just the Senate
but also the House, to combine that with control of
the White House. That's what it's going to take to
politically revive this country. And so let's not get ahead
of ourselves as well to assume that there's some outcome
we're planning for.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Vivike Ramaswami Viveke, come back, talk to us again soon.
It's going to be an important six months or so here.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Appreciate it, guys, and keep up the good work of
highlighting things that other people aren't talking about. I like
that you guys do it and we need more of that.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Thankk you ch Man. Good to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
You know.
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happy moment, I think Clay for many people and all
this madness that has been going on is.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The Frat Bros.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Fraternity brothers who refused at UNC Chapel Hill to let
the American flag fall into the dirt, and they held
it up and they hoisted it up. And there are
some very amusing memes about this going around as well,
but there are still it's worth noting there are still
college students out there who some of them listen to
(32:52):
this show, who very much are patriots and have respect
and have wisdom and love the country. And they're the
only reason I think that a lot of it feel
like the future might be okay. And you know, sometimes
you got to wear some pastel shorts and flip flops
to stay the country.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I don't know what else to tell you. I think
we have audio. Maybe we should have sent the table
a little bit more. For those of you who don't
know how crazy this has gotten. They raised the Palestinian
flag on the main quad at the University of North
Carolina Chapel Hill. As crazy as you might think that
(33:27):
it happened in New York City, or as crazy as
you might think that it happened in La I'm here
to tell you the North Carolina tar Heels did not
end their alums did not expect for a Palestinian flag
to be rising. This is a battleground state. This is
a state that Trump won narrowly in twenty twenty twenty,
(33:48):
and that will be close in twenty twenty four. And
I believe we have a cut of these kids who
saw what was happening, saw the American flag draped on
the ground, and went over and refused to let it
be on the ground. And here is cut three as
that was happening, So you're getting it there. These kids
(34:29):
buck were being pelted by anti Israel protesters with water,
with screaming, yelling, derisive commentary, and they stepped into the
breach there and they lifted that flag. Now there is
a GoFundMe that is out there right now. I retweeted it.
(34:49):
If you heard that and you think to yourself, that
sounds kind of fun. They're raising money to throw the
frat guys a big party at UNC Chapel Hill. And
if I were advised the Trump campaign, I would be like,
you should pick up the cost of this party. And
I think they had to cancel an event in was
it Raleigh cause of weather? If I'm not mistaken, Somewhere
(35:11):
in North Carolina they had a big event scheduled. If
I were Trump, I'd go to that North Carolina and
I would bring those kids on the stage as a
part of that rally. In North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
We're here today celebrating our beautiful, wonderful fraternity brothers. That
flag was going to hit the dart not with the
fraternity brothers gathered together, probably the best fraternities ever right here,
it would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
How crazy is it that if you are willing to
hold the American flag from falling on the ground, and
if you like the national anthem, I feel like there's
a ninety nine percent chance that you're voting for Trump.
Just think about, I mean, where we are as a country.
I don't think I would have said that in two
thousand and eight. I would whatever side of an equation
(35:59):
you wanted to be on. I don't think you could
have said that a decade ago in this country that
if you like the American flag, or heck, you even
have the American flag flying outside of your home, you
almost certainly are voting for Donald Trump in six months.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think that people on the right take pride in
just being Americans, and I think that the left in
this country takes pride in the belief that they are
better than America.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's a very different thing. It's very well said. I
think that's I think that's exactly right. And by the way,
you can tie that in. It's why they also won't
admit that they were wrong on everything having to do
with COVID, because it's not just that they were wrong,
it's that the people they think are dumb and stupid
and red state rights, yeah, actually were right on them.
(36:47):
That's things even more for them.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
By the way, Yeah, that the people that they try
to look down on somehow have more wisdom, more foresight,
more accuracy.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show,
Hour number three. Just FYI, we already heard from Tulsei
Gabbard in the first hour of the program. She was great.
Encourage you to go check it out on the podcast.
In the third hour, we're going to talk with you
(00:21):
here in about thirty minutes with Babak Ramaswami, who is
certainly actively campaigning on behalf of Donald Trump, and a
little bit of a preview. Donald Trump has touched down
in Walkeshaw, Wisconsin. He is doing a big rally. In
about an hour or so, he will be speaking, and
(00:44):
the Trump team has shared some of his remarks with
us and said we can discuss what he is going
to be discussing. And so I'll read a paragraph that
Trump is going to deliver here in a little bit
that I think is a very winning argument, and he
says that Bidenomics is a flat out failure and that
(01:06):
on day one of his new administration, We're going to
throw out Bidenomics and reinstate Magonomics. Upon taking office, I'll
impose an immediate moratorium on all new spending grants and
giveaways under Biden's mammoth socialist bills like the so called
Inflation Reduction Act. That's a little bit of a preview
(01:28):
for those of us, those of you in Wisconsin who
are going to be hearing from Trump in a little
bit Wednesday. No trial in session, and they are trying
to get rolling with all of these visits that they
can stack together in these locations. We talked earlier, right
(01:48):
as we finished the hour, about the fact that the
protests are not going away. Protesters are already back. And
I do think there are Democrats, reasonable Democrats that are
super fed up about what's going on. And I want
to give him credit. Eric Adams has not been a
fabulous mayor for New York City so far. I think
(02:08):
he's not as bad as de Blasio. You can answer that.
I think it would be hard to be as bad
as Bill de Blasio.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Adams's shortcomings are from a lack of ability to run
the bureaucracy, but they're not out of malice. For the
most part. Bill de Blasio was like, Oh, the city
is great and functions well and everyone wants to be
here and everything is actually going really well. Let's tear
this down. Let's bring a little socialism, let's bring some
(02:35):
Marxist flair to this place.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So he was actively a destructor of New York. The
NYPD shared a video on social which we have shared
and you can check it out at Clayanbuck dot com
of them raising an American flag at the City University
or City College of New York, where they had raised
a Palestinian flag. This also happened at the University of
(02:58):
North Carolina Chapel Hill, and you may have seen the
viral photo or viral video of a bunch of unc
frat guys coming together to hold the United States flag
up to keep it from being on the ground. That
is an iconic photo. Already. Props to those young men.
But Eric Adams seems I don't think he's acting here,
(03:19):
genuinely disgusted by what he is seeing at Columbia University,
and I would imagine, as we talked about Buck, also
pretty disgusted that whenever they arrest these guys, they immediately
get to come right back on the streets and there
are no consequences. But listen to this. We already said
that he has said that these are outside agitators. He
also said, and this is true, and this is why
(03:41):
I'm more troubled. I'm not as troubled by stupid young people,
because stupid young people can grow up to be reasonable adults.
The problem here is there are a lot of professors
encouraging this behavior and telling these kids you need to
be protesting like this, which led Eric Adams to say,
there's a real movement to radicalize young people. Play cut fourteen.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
There is a movement to radicalize young people, and I'm
not going to wait until it's done and all of
a sudden acknowledge the existence of it. This is a
global problem that young people are being influenced by those
who are professionals at radicalizing our children, and I'm not
going to allow that to happen as the mayor of
(04:23):
the City of New York.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
All right, that's cut one. I want to play the
next one for you too. Buck. Here is Eric Adams,
in particular, speaking to a university allowing the Palestinian flag
to be flying on campus as opposed to the United
States flag. Cut fifteen.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Another significant part of the video was at the end,
that's how flag, folks, It's We'll take over our buildings
and put another flag up. That may be fine to
other people, but it's not to me. My uncle died
defending this country, and these men and women put their
lives on the line, and it's suspicable that schools will
(05:02):
allow another country flag to fly in our country. So
blame me for being proud to be an American, and
I think the Commission of Daughtry for putting that flag
back up. We're not surrendering our way of life to anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
As I said, he's not an evil Marxist. Deblasio is
an evil Marxist. Yeah, Adams is just he's a Democrat,
and he has some limitations, I think as a as
a leader of a very complicated bureaucracy and a very
politically challenging place, New York City.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
But I do think that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I do think that overall, on the most basic issues,
he still lives in reality. I think that he still
supports the NYPD.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But he touched on THO.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's something we haven't talked about today, and it's about
the other flag and other country's flag. Do you know
that at Columbia. I've seen different numbers, but I think
it's almost half of the students are on foreign student visas.
There's a huge number of these students at these Ivy
League schools that are foreigners, and I gotta say, why
(06:07):
is that? Okay, Look, what are we doing here as
a country. Don't these universities have a patriotic duty to
Dare I say, educate Americans first?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know they talk about.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
All the oh it's so unfair, and look at all
the you know, we have the disparate impact and not
a representation of minority groups. Why are you taking wealthy
foreign students from all over the world at the expense
of Americans whose parents and families are contributing here and
part of our American family. I think this is a
(06:42):
big deal, and it's been a big deal for a while,
but I think people are recognizing. Hold on a second.
These schools are full of foreigners who are now protesting
on our campuses to tell us what our leadership should
be doing with regard to Israel and a bunch of
savage terrorists in Hamas get the.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Hell out of our country.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
What are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I think is a fantastic question. My suspicion is this
is economic that the foreign students probably pay full to it.
They all pay full, so they do not get money absolutely,
so their their argument will probably be I would think
that these foreign students subsidize their ability to provide a
lower cost education for American students. I think that would
(07:24):
probably be their argument. But it ties in with to me,
the fundamental question.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, wait, before you move past that, just but I mean,
do you see what I mean about how okay? I
understand there's a utilitarian economic garden clay these universities. I mean,
don't just think of it as Columbia. Think of it
as MIT and cal Tech. And they're training people at
the highest levels in technology, in artificial intelligence, in telecommunications,
(07:54):
higher level math, theoretical physics, you name it, nuclear physics.
And you know that the FBI is supposed to be
trust me, they you know, they're not doing a very
good job of knowing what's going on where and who's
learning what. Why should these schools not have I mean,
this should be looked at much more so, much more closely.
I think if you're going to go back and help
their country compete against US, I think if you're arrested
(08:18):
as a foreign student protesting and violating the law in America,
you should immediately get sent back to your country. I mean,
according to the Center for Immigration Studies in twenty twenty two, Clay,
fifty five percent of Columbia University students were foreigners, non Americans.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
That's outrageous. Well, what, we have.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No obligation to be educating the rest, you know, sure
if we have, you know, some super genius that we
want to bring here because we think, you know, I understand.
I'm not saying no foreign students should be allowed. Fifty
five percent is too high. Okay, that's too much. And
I think what this ties in with what per percentage
of Democrats would be willing to say America is a
(09:05):
great country and our flag should proudly fly. That's the
scary part to me and the young.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I give credit to Eric Adams for saying it in
that clip that his uncle died for this country and
he thinks it's an outrage that any other flag should
be flying over an American campus. I agree with him.
I think the scary thing is what you're really seeing
is that Americans are that America is not beloved by
(09:36):
huge parts of the Democrat Party. Remember the staff that
came out. What would happen when the Ukraine? Everybody's out
there in the Democrat Party, like, we've got to defend Ukraine.
Let's give them sixty billion, Let's give them six hundred billion.
And they actually did a poll and said would you
defend America if it were invaded? And majorities of Democrats
(09:57):
said no. I mean, these are people who believe this
is the toxic nature of what they're being taught. They
are being taught that our country is evil, that its
foundation is unsupportable because men, white men are awful racist,
and this ties in. I saw this shared by Frank
Lutz yesterday last night. I believe it was. We've talked
(10:21):
about this some on the show, but I think it's
worth illustrating. If you're over sixty five and you're listening
to us right now, you probably legitimately feel like you
live in a different country than the one you grew
up in, and it ain't a good thing. Here's a
stat for you, buck. If you're over sixty five, ninety
three percent of over sixty fives support Israel, seven percent
(10:46):
support Hamas ninety three to seven. If you're sixty five plus.
How about if you're eighteen to twenty four. This is
Frank Lutz, This is from the Hill. Fifty seven percent
support Israel, forty three percent supports Hamas. It's basically fifty
to fifty. If you are eighteen to twenty four in
(11:09):
this country, who's on the side of good and who's
on the side of evil? How does that happen in
the space of two generations, We've gone from sixty five
plus y'all out there listening to me, you understand good
and evil and the right to defend yourself against terrorists.
Eighteen to twenty four year olds, They're like, this is
a toss up issue for us, whether Israel or Hamas
(11:31):
is on the right side. That is what is scary
to me, because you would like to think those people
are going to grow up buck and they're going to
turn into Oh, I'm going to be able to see
good and evil when I said at the end of
last hour. Is what scares me. They actually think that
they are seeing good and evil and they're on the
wrong side. Those are the people who are scary people.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
How are it peasible to have any to have any
framework of morality whatsoever, not even just to pick incorrectly,
but to think that Hamas is anything other than a
an evil organization. It's it's hard to it's hard to
wrap your mind around that. I think part of it
is the ignorance of They just don't know. They don't
know what was going on in the Second Intifada. They
(12:16):
don't know about the suicide bombing campaigns. They don't know
about Hamas's celebration of death. They don't know about its
execution of homosexuals. They don't know about its torture and
murder of political dissonance from within its own ranks. Like
I think they never mind the virtual enslavement of women.
I think they just don't know, and they're very stupid.
But it's still troubling. I mean, they're they're the useful
(12:38):
idiots of this movement, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And you can be troubled by the idiocy of the
young people. That's why the scare. They don't know good
and evil. You would hope that they could be taught.
The problem is the instructors at the universities they attend
are telling them what they are doing is just they're
standing and linking arms to try to keep the police
(13:01):
from stopping them. That is, they're they're being taught this
that I will tell you. I I when I hear
that someone is a.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Professor at a lot of these places in a non
hard science, and you don't know math, physics. I mean,
there still are people who are normal who teach those things.
But when you hear that someone teaches like Middle East
studies somewhere, I just almost always assume to myself this
person is an unimpressive buffoon who is basically a communist,
(13:33):
because that is how present it is at these colleges
and universities. Now it's ninety percent, it's ninety five percent.
You know, there are exceptions, but they're so rare that
you tend to know about them. And that's what's going
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Tulsi in a VP debate with Kamala.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I'm not gonna I don't know if Tulsi would be
a great debater. I couldn't say that that. I think
she'd be competent, but I don't think that that's necessarily her.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I thought she was. I thought she was pretty good
in the Democrat debate. She ran for president. What in uh?
I can't even remember now twenty if everything runs together,
one of the kids, Yeah, I think so. It wasn't sixteen,
it was twenty, everything runs together. And I thought she
savaged Kamala pretty good in a multi candidate debate. If
(16:59):
you remember that, she went after Kamala Harris pretty aggressively.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And like I remember it now, Yeah, was it on
the Kamala was too tough on criminals things. That's kind
of funny in retrospect, Remember that was the thing for
a while.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, it was Kamala has tried to claim now and
she's still doing it. No one should ever be in
jail for smoking weed, and then like she put tons
of people in jail for smoking weed, which is very funny.
I think it was just that Kamala Harris is a
fundamentally dishonest person. Maybe we could grab that clip, because
what I remember is watching that live and thinking, oh,
(17:32):
my goodness, Tulsi Gabbert just pulled out the sword and
just cut Kamala, just like I vaguely sliced that off
my memory. I vaguely remember that.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Joe writes in I have favorite Tulsi for Trump's VP
for a long time, intelligence centered and would help keep
the Deep State from putting the US in perpetual wars.
As a man, albeit an old man, she has a
beautiful voice I could listen to all day. Well, Joe,
from Tulsi to you, Aloha.
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You're in the neighborhood of Buck and myself's ages. You've
been on a lot of these college campuses, I'm sure
on your presidential campaign, but also you were on them
as a student not very long ago. Would you have
believed that we would ever be in a situation where
a place like the UCLA would be banning Jewish students
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from being able to walk through the campus, that they
would be pulling down the United States flag and replacing
it with the flag of Palestine all over the country.
Could you have foreseen this? The vake.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
So not with great pleasure. No, but you could see
the direction this was going for a very long time.
And I'm not trying to claim some sort of level
of foresight from before, but even a few years ago,
when I wrote my book Woke Ink, before people really
knew what the word woke was.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's where this road ends.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And I think what many people may misunderstand even about
the current situation is describing it as anti Semitic, while understandable,
misses the point.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Actually, what you're.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Really seeing amongst young people, and you've been seeing this
for the last decade or more, is a deep hunger
for purpose. They are starved for a cause, They are lost.
And when you don't believe in the American flag, you
start pledging allegiance to a different flag instead. It could
be the transgender flag, it could be the Palestinian flag,
it could be, in some cases, even weirdly, the Ukraine flag.
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And I think that that's a separate debate to be had.
But we have this innate hunger for purpose, to be
part of something bigger than ourselves.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And when you want to be part of something bigger.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Than yourself and you no longer believe in God, you
no longer believe in your country, you no longer identify
as a member of a family or see yourself as
an individual. You start believing in new kinds of secular
cults instead. And this is just the latest one, And
so I think that's really what's happening.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
It's not specific to this issue. Most students who are protesting.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
On behalf of Palestine have no idea what the heck
they're actually even protesting for. You have students on campuses
chanting infittata, which they don't realize is actually a complete
inversion of the word they're trying to say, which is intofada,
their word for uprising. They don't even know what they're chanting.
You look at some of those video recordings, that's what
you hear. That's the essence of what's going on is
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these people are lost, and I think we got to
see that before we actually find an actual solution, rather
than just playing whack a mole, which is what I
think many in the conservative movement frankly, have been trying
to do as response.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Hey, Vivek, it's buck.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know all these campuses, we're seeing a level of
madness that is surprising to some, but I think for
those of us who've been paying attention. This is just
the latest iteration of it. This is the latest spasm,
if you will, of their lunacy. And I'm reminded a
little bit of the movie Aliens. Are you an Aliens fan?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Do you remember? I think it just had its like
anniversary recently it was released forty feth anniversary. I think
I saw it was in theaters. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
A great that It was a great, great movie, James
Cameron movie back in the day. But remember when they
say we have to nuke the site from orbit. It's
the only way to be sure. No one's suggesting we
knew these campuses, But I just want to know, is
there a way to fix these things?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Or do we just need to.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Do we just need to separate? Do do people that
have a recognition of how toxic this has become realized
that there's no fixing Columbia University as it currently stands.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
How do you see that?
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Well, look, I think that actually those two things go together.
Is building alternative institutions is a necessary next step, and
some of.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Those institutions are being built.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
When you think about the private sector, corporate America, the
financial services sector, when you think about academic institutions and
universities that competition does one thing. It provides an alternative
where people are able to go the likes of University Austin, Texas,
Ralston College, Hillsdale. Think about even places like Ashland University
here in Ohio, where I spoke recently really smart students,
(23:05):
by the way, completely not the goal to be large,
national name brand institutions, but just pursue excellence in local contexts.
I think as those competitors start to draw great students
away from the esteemed institutions of yesterday, the Columbias, I
mean even I'm ashamed of the alma maters and the
behaviors I've seen in places like Harvard and Yale. That
is going to have an effect not just on providing
(23:26):
additional choices for students, but I think that's going to
change the behaviors of those existing institutions as well. So
it's the absence of competition that actually breeds this type
of discontent, and so I do think creating new institutions
is an answer. So it's not just separation for the
sake of separation, the separation for the sake of actually
bringing competition in a marketplace of ideas where it has
(23:46):
been lacking. I think part of that solution, though, is
we have to offer an alternative vision, especially to that
next generation. And this is where the conservative movement has
fallen short. We will sit here complaining about one of
those religions at a time, right, wokeism, transgenderism, climatism, Covidism,
you could have your favoriteism. Anti Semitism now fits that list.
(24:10):
I think that each of those religions, those cults are
really just symptoms of that deeper void. And I think
we have to as a movement go back to being
firm about what we actually stand for, right the individual, family, nation,
and God, beat race, gender, sexuality and climate. If we
have the courage to actually stand for something. And so
(24:32):
some of this is on the other side, but some
of this is our own problem too, is we've grown
lazy as a movement just criticizing the radical Biden agenda
or whatever it is that we're pontificating about without actually
offering an alternative vision of what it means to be
an American, what it means to be an individual, what.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
It means to be sovereign. I think sovereignty itself.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Sovereignty at the level of the individual and the family
and the nation and being a nation under God. Those
are foreign concepts to the conservative movement of today. It's
not exactly what you're Republican politicians or even commentators talking
about today, as opposed to using whatever the latest trope
was on social media to criticize some.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Flub of Biden.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
That's lazy and it's falling short of what we really
need to be doing if we want to fill that
vacuum of purpose that accounts for a lot of the
lunacy that we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Levig, you are like Buck and myself. You've been very fortunate.
You're building a family. Now you are obviously trying to
spread what I would hope is an antidote to this
issue with a lack of purpose that exists across much
of American youth. What's the best way for you to
do that? In your mind? As we gear up for
(25:42):
the six month basically starting block here of the election
in November, do you think VP is that play? Have
you talked to Trump about that? Do you think that
you're in the mix for that? Are there other cabinet
positions that to you make sense. I know you're going
to be working hard to get Trump elected no matter what.
But on an individual basis, what's the most effective version?
(26:03):
You think of yourself? Where should you go? Where should
you be?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
So look, I think every person's got to look themselves
in the mirror and say, here are my God given gifts.
How am I going to use those to maximize impact
on saving our country at a moment where let's be honest,
if we don't get this right in the next seven years,
it's how it long taw long it took to win
the American Revolution. I don't think we have a country left,
and I do think we're in one of those seventeen
seventy six moments today, and so Donald Trump is now
(26:31):
the George Washington figure of winning that modern American Revolution.
Took all of our founding fathers, many of them to
each wear their own different hats, to really set this
nation into motion. A couple things I look at, what
are the things we need to accomplish that we can
accomplish through executive power if we're successful.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Two mass deportations.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
One is the mass deportations of millions of illegals in
this country who shouldn't be here, sealed the border along
with it, and birthright citizenship and once and for all
fix that immigration issue in our country.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
And the second is the massive.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Deportation of about three million federal bureaucrats out of Washington,
DC that should have never been there in the first place,
cleaning up that fourth branch, that deep state that I
think is the source of the rot and the corruption
that infests every layer of government and even our culture.
So those are two of the things I've been most
passionate about.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
In my own presidential campaign.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
And if I'm able to play a role in doing
one or both or the other of those things, or
both of them, you know, I think I'm going to
do everything I can to play my role to restore
the country. But in terms of what position different people occupy,
that decision belongs to President Trump. It's the beauty of
actually having a chief executive who's been an executive, deserves
to actually staff the administration and the way he runs
the country with the people who he believes are best
(27:40):
in each position. He I've had some great conversations, and
I'll be honored to play some hopefully significant role in
reviving this country.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Just don't forget your friends. When your Treasury secretary or
a catch of the country.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Okay, do you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Think you're still in the running. Do you think you're
still in the running for VP, or do you think
someone else is going to be in that role? And
maybe there's.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Something going to I'm not going to out of respect
to my conversations with President Trump and for the decisions
he needs to make, I'm not going to play the
game of you know, musical chairs of who are speculation.
What I will say is I've told him this is
I'm excited to serve in whatever capacity maximize the impact
for the country. We've had a great relationship, and I
think there's a lot of people, by the way, in
(28:20):
our bench that can play a lot of important roles,
each of which we're going to need to save the country.
And so whether that's people from the White House positions
to the VP to cabinet level positions, all of them
are important and I'm here to play my part.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
And so I just think I'm optimist important to be successful.
We can't count our chickens before they hatch.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
I want to say a word about this too, is
this discussion presumed that there's some sort of victory that
we can take for granted. In November remember, just a
couple of years ago, we had this red wave that
was supposed to come. That red wave never came. And
I think that we're actually potentially on track to being
complacent and seeing that same risk play out unless we
actually step up and do things differently this time around,
(28:58):
both in terms of articulating our all turn a vision
and in terms of the legwork of execution. Right, A
vision without execution is a hallucination. That's what Einstein, That's
what Thomas Edison said, and I think it's true every
bit today in politics, as it is in any other realm.
You don't like early voting too bad, got to play
by the rules to win in order to change the
rules to be what you want them to be. And
(29:19):
so you know, I think that it is important to
have transition plans and what comes afterwards, and I think
President Trump's being very thoughtful about that, and I'm hopeful
to play an important role in saving this country. But
we're only going to get there if we actually succeed
by decisive margins. And let's be honest, a fifty point
one margin doesn't work this time around. I think that,
let's be very frank, a landslide minus some Shenanigans is
(29:41):
still a decisive victory, and that's what we're going to
need at a moment where we're skating on thin ice,
where we have decisive majorities, and not just the Senate
but also the House, to combine that with control of
the White House. That's what it's going to take to
politically revive this country. And so let's not get ahead
of ourselves as well to assume that there's some outcome
we're planning for.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Vivike Ramaswami Viveke, come back, talk to us again soon.
It's going to be an important six months or so here.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Appreciate it, guys, and keep up the good work of
highlighting things that other people aren't talking about. I like
that you guys do it and we need more of that.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Thankk you ch Man. Good to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
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happy moment, I think Clay for many people and all
this madness that has been going on is.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The Frat Bros.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Fraternity brothers who refused at UNC Chapel Hill to let
the American flag fall into the dirt, and they held
it up and they hoisted it up. And there are
some very amusing memes about this going around as well,
but there are still it's worth noting there are still
college students out there who some of them listen to
(32:52):
this show, who very much are patriots and have respect
and have wisdom and love the country. And they're the
only reason I think that a lot of it feel
like the future might be okay. And you know, sometimes
you got to wear some pastel shorts and flip flops
to stay the country.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I don't know what else to tell you. I think
we have audio. Maybe we should have sent the table
a little bit more. For those of you who don't
know how crazy this has gotten. They raised the Palestinian
flag on the main quad at the University of North
Carolina Chapel Hill. As crazy as you might think that
(33:27):
it happened in New York City, or as crazy as
you might think that it happened in La I'm here
to tell you the North Carolina tar Heels did not
end their alums did not expect for a Palestinian flag
to be rising. This is a battleground state. This is
a state that Trump won narrowly in twenty twenty twenty,
(33:48):
and that will be close in twenty twenty four. And
I believe we have a cut of these kids who
saw what was happening, saw the American flag draped on
the ground, and went over and refused to let it
be on the ground. And here is cut three as
that was happening, So you're getting it there. These kids
(34:29):
buck were being pelted by anti Israel protesters with water,
with screaming, yelling, derisive commentary, and they stepped into the
breach there and they lifted that flag. Now there is
a GoFundMe that is out there right now. I retweeted it.
(34:49):
If you heard that and you think to yourself, that
sounds kind of fun. They're raising money to throw the
frat guys a big party at UNC Chapel Hill. And
if I were advised the Trump campaign, I would be like,
you should pick up the cost of this party. And
I think they had to cancel an event in was
it Raleigh cause of weather? If I'm not mistaken, Somewhere
(35:11):
in North Carolina they had a big event scheduled. If
I were Trump, I'd go to that North Carolina and
I would bring those kids on the stage as a
part of that rally. In North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
We're here today celebrating our beautiful, wonderful fraternity brothers. That
flag was going to hit the dart not with the
fraternity brothers gathered together, probably the best fraternities ever right here,
it would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
How crazy is it that if you are willing to
hold the American flag from falling on the ground, and
if you like the national anthem, I feel like there's
a ninety nine percent chance that you're voting for Trump.
Just think about, I mean, where we are as a country.
I don't think I would have said that in two
thousand and eight. I would whatever side of an equation
(35:59):
you wanted to be on. I don't think you could
have said that a decade ago in this country that
if you like the American flag, or heck, you even
have the American flag flying outside of your home, you
almost certainly are voting for Donald Trump in six months.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think that people on the right take pride in
just being Americans, and I think that the left in
this country takes pride in the belief that they are
better than America.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's a very different thing. It's very well said. I
think that's I think that's exactly right. And by the way,
you can tie that in. It's why they also won't
admit that they were wrong on everything having to do
with COVID, because it's not just that they were wrong,
it's that the people they think are dumb and stupid
and red state rights, yeah, actually were right on them.
(36:47):
That's things even more for them.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
By the way, Yeah, that the people that they try
to look down on somehow have more wisdom, more foresight,
more accuracy.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
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