EP #20: In this week's edition, Cam breaks down the highs and lows of the NFL conference championship games, offering his candid reactions to the matchups.
Joining Cam in the studio is none other than Giants' defensive end, Kayvon Thibodeaux, who shares his journey from being labeled a rookie bust to a break out 11.5 sack season. He also delves into the intricacies of developing his pass rush techniques.
Kayvon opens up about being among the first college athletes to benefit from NIL deals, and he sheds light on the challenges of managing large sums of money at a young age. Kayvon also discusses the nuances of stepping into a leadership role in just his second season in the league.
Cam ends the show by addressing the latest news on the man convicted in the shooting death of former Saints player Will Smith. Cam reflects on the tragic incident that occurred in New Orleans in April 2016 following an altercation after a car crash and shares his thoughts on the developments surrounding the case.
00:00 - Start of show
00:11 - Cam teases what’s to come on the episode
00:48 Cam reacts to the conference championship matchups
3:24 start of Kayvon interview
4:19 Kayvon on second-year progress
5:57 Kayvon on building confidence with his pass rush moves
8:46 Kayvon’s reaction to the Conference Championship games
12:16 Kayvon reflecting on his development from his rookie year
16:15 Kayvon asks Cam if he’d rather get a 50 million dollar contract and a ring or a hundred million dollar contract with no ring
22:10 Kayvon on the experience of being one of the first to secure a NIL deal
24:22 Kayvon on lack of money management education in college
29:41 Kayvon and Cam on keeping up with the Jones’’ in the lockerroom
41:24 Kayvon on his world tour travels
33:33 Kayvon on taking on the leadership role early in his career
37:07 Kayvon on what he looks forward to in year 3
37:48 Kayvon’s full-circle moment
38:47 Kayvon on perfecting his craft
42:26 End of kayvon interview
43:26 Cam’s thoughts on the jury finding the man guilty of the manslaughter of former Saints Will Smith
48:29 End of show
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's Cam Jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Here we are twentieth episode of Off the Edge of
the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Man, we're here twenty look at us go.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Not only gonna we talk about the SC championship game,
which you know, Baltimore Ravens versus the Kansas City Chiefs.
We're gonna talk about the NFC championship game. Nick Bosa Bowling,
Our Grades Bowling, Eric Arsten Bowling. And then we're gonna
talk about you know who they played in the Detroit Lions.
Tough to watch it, but we'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It as well as you know.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We're just gonna get my guy, Caveon Thibodeau, Young Buck,
Young Bull with the first you know, ten plus sax
season this past season, his second year, turning it up,
turning it on often his second year in the league.
Cavon Thibodeau, Now, let's get into the East Conference championship games.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm not gonna lie to you. I had picked Now.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
In my mind, I was like, I don't care who wins,
Like if the Saints Saint in the I don't care
who wins. But in my mind I was like, all right,
well it's really like Saint Smidwest with Detroit Lions, Dan Campbell,
Aaron Glenn. You know you've got Chauncey Gardner, Johnson, Alex
Anzelone even you know a former og of mine that
played at cal defensive and opposite of me, tyson A.
Lulu had got activated and played in the game and
(01:17):
even had a sack shout out to my dog tyson O.
Lulu and Detroit looked like they were convincingly winning in
the first half, and then the Niners woke up the
giant that they are and got to putting the beat
down on Detroit, which Detroit still had chances to win
the game.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It was.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was an exciting game.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It was one of those games that you can talk
about and like, dang, I did not see this one coming. Uh,
just like you did in the AFC Championship game with
Pat Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift. Every three series they
show her, which I have.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, I feel no, no, no way about it.
I don't. I don't really.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Know her music, but I I'm rooting for my friends,
you know. So I know Travis Kelsey pretty pretty well.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think Charles Men who is was bawling up until
he got hurt in the game. On the other side,
you know Marcus Williams, you know Lamar Jackson, You've got
Arthur Malett.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Formerly of the Saints.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Over there, there's guys you can root for. So I
was rooting for individuals, and yet I was still like,
you know, Lamar Jackson, do one. Pat Mahomes has like two,
has been in three Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But to no avail. Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Pat Mahome Boy then showed up and showed out. Therefore,
you know, Len Leven targets level receptions. Travis Kelsey showed
up and showed out. You know, Marquz, I'm not even
gonna try that one. For all discounting Scantling Valdez, it's
one of the two had the game ceiling catch and
that was it. Somehow, some way, the Chiefs when they
hit the playoffs, they hit it and stride Chris Jones,
(02:46):
killer Monster, George Carter loftus baller.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's just one of those things that.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
There's a reason why the Chiefs have been four Super
Bowls in the last six years. Is it crazy? You
can't count him out. Don't count him out. That's a
problem if you do.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So on that note, we're just gonna talk about my
guests coming up.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Got the young buck, young bull, guy from the Giants,
got drafted out of Oregon.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Talented, top five pick at number five.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
A young bull, young gun, a young.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Killer off the edge, Cavon Thibodeaux from from Oregon. You know,
fifth pick overall in twenty twenty two. Second year ran
boy went for more than ten sacks, Bro, I just
appreciate you tapping in with me. I mean beyond sacks.
You know you still pushed in another fifty tackles.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You know what to work.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We played all this year and you know you were
a menace. You were a minis on the line. I
love them.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I love to see the.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Best of us, the best of us.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This time, Bro, you had a kid named Tommy Cutlet
spinning that thing.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, it's one for the young bulls. You know he
almost got it done.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We gotta keep going absolutely when you have a four
man dollar quarterback that you hope to be playing. Look,
I've been in that position where I've seen our starter
quarterback go down and the next man up have to
go and.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You could win, you could win some, but get away.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Get tough, Yeah, get tough in that and that deep end.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, when you go from a Desert Eagle to a
Smith and West and you're like, all right, we can
get the job.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So the second year, Man, what changed for you this year?
You talk about for the first year you got actily made.
A second year you turned it up.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Oh man, you just the comfortability, you know, you talk
about being second year in the system. Second year, you know,
going against the best guys in the league or the
best guys in the world. I should say, you just
start to feel more comfortable. You get a little more
time to rest, you get more time off. You know.
Obviously coming off college, you got the draft and all
that to prepare for it, so you never actually get
(04:47):
your body time to rest and time to you know,
focus on football. You know. So now I had a
full off season last year. I was able to come in.
I was able to really focus on the game and
how to get better and what I need to get
better at. And then you I was able to and
then playing alongside guys obviously Dexter Lawrence learning how to
rush the passer with you know, other guys Leonard Williams,
(05:08):
he got traded, but you know that was a guy
who kind of helped develop my game, and then Dis's
on the other side and every other man that's kind
of stepped up and been a part of the front,
we just been you know, they've been a vessel and
they've been there to, you know, help me grow, and
we've learned how to rush as a unit. And that's
kind of that's was a testament to you know, the
plays we're making.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
We love that PC answer. Yeah, yeah, give flowers to everybody.
I can't go to big your big erol Step. You
clearly hooped in high school, Big big, big yearo Step.
I see what you did there, big Lag, big Lane.
From the film that I've watched. I mean, you know,
your first year you showed, you showed some glimpses. This
year it seemed like, you know, I don't know how
to say that without having to say pause. You learned
(05:46):
how to use your length more like it's crazy work
to help out, you know, But as a defensive end, bro,
you learn how to extend your arms out, lockout, and
as well as uh, you know, your long arm and
power sort of came into play.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So for me, you know, I used to use long
arm in college. But you start to play against guys
that aren't you know they're not going forward as much
as guys where you got Trent William, you got you know,
Piney Seuwel, you got guys across the league who are
You're not You're not gonna let a guy that's two
hundred and fifty five pounds long arm you you know,
And for me as a rookie, I you know, you
(06:17):
have that kind of in your head, right It's like
you're going to fight Mike Tyson. It's like, Okay, I
know what this guy has, so it kind of intimidates
you and what you can do. So me kind of
coming into the second year, I was able to build
that confidence in the moves that I've already had, but
you know, able to kind of believe in them a
little more and start to you know, put them on display.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
No doubt. Do you have a favorite pass social move now?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I mean I would say long arm. You know that's
always when you got when you are a guy with length, obviously,
you know you got to keep guys at a distance
because I'm not the strongest guy. I can't. You know,
you see a lot of guys kind of just move
guys out the way and dexter Lawrence lenn Williams or
guys examples even you are an example of that. When
you have a little more weight behind you, you can
you know, you can use your moves, you can throw
them around. But me now being able to use the
long arm, keep the link and work off of it.
(07:00):
You know, you start to see how there's so many
moves and it's really just the angles. Your angles are
a lot better off the long arm rather than like
last year I was, there was a lot of running
around the quarterback and it was like I got pressures
and I got you know, hits. But I had to
kind of shorten that angle because you know, guys are
stepping up quarterbacks, they get paid money. They do for
a reason. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Look, I like to switch it up into my mind.
Is it's three really really two different angles. I think
about the speed angle, which is a vertical attack, and
I think about a power angle, which means I'm gonna
sit your ass down, you know, And I say three
at three angles because then like there's sometimes where you
go into a wide nine ish and you still angle
(07:40):
them down. So now instead of you know, meeting no
matter what you think, it would be a speed angle,
it's like a combination coming in you never.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, you never realized how much geometry was in football.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Right at all angles angle?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Hit a girl, look girlfriend out there like so so
so bring that over here, you know, like, oh you
know how you know how to short in a stell?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Come bringing it over here? Or wife in my case
because you know I'm married with four kids.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, that's a good life, man, that's a good life.
I'm not there, yeah, but I'm a crossover soon no, no, yeah,
I mean soon as relative, as soon as relative.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
When that mustache and beard drop and connect, when connect,
we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
No, don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Don't enjoy, Enjoy, enjoy you know, year two, Enjoy year three,
four or five six, Maybe introduce the idea.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Look, I think I got to your I was like
your four before.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
People noticed when when when he started talking, he started whispering,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Because I'm gonna catch flat from wife you regardless. So
let's just you know, where exactly do you want to
go with it? But I'm sure you watch the games
this weekend, bro, what what did you take away from
the conference championship games?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Because basically we all want to be there.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Oh man, obviously, Like, dude, just first, I could you know,
I feel like a lot of a lot of people
were rooting for Lamar and I just off with the
Lamar Patrick Mahons game. A lot of people are rooting
for Lamar because of the flac that he gets right
for his style of play right, and I think us
being players and us knowing how to grind, Like, for example,
you do a swim move. You know, swim move is
(09:14):
better than any swim move I've ever seen. But I
could promise that there are coaches or people that probably
told you along your lines that, oh the swim move
is you know, that's that's not the move, or you know,
like that never gonna work. You've heard that, and you've
made a hundred sacks you know, in counting whatever to
get to that point. But yeah, man, you talk about
a lot of guys seeing a guy like Lamar Jackson
and what he can do and what he brings to
(09:35):
the game, and you know, all the flak that he
gets and all of the scrutiny that he's under even
though he is one of the you know, greatest athletic,
you know, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
I think as far as athleticism, in ability, athleticism crazy.
So you know, I feel like we're all rooted for him,
you know, watching the game. Obviously the Baltimore has a
(09:55):
great defense, but I think, you know, Patrick Mahons, they've
just been there too many times. I hate to say,
you've just been there too many times. You've done it
too many times.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
King of the Hill. You got to prove them, You
got to prove them they're wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Because it's four super Bowls now in five or six years.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You without this one, three super bowls in five.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Or six years. Got Chris Jones in the middle.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Chris Jones in the middle, George carl is just living.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Shout out to Carloftons. He's the boy. You know, we
were in the same Dravet class, right right, man crazy
and then the young guys in the back end, you know,
the dvs. You gotta step up, you gotta make players,
you gotta stop it, and they making plays, man. And
I would say I would say on that, you know,
when you just talk about the game, it's tough when
(10:42):
you know you are fighting that uphill battle, you know,
and they fought, they obviously fought to the end, but
you know, it's it's tough man, So they're gonna get it, right.
I still I still see them being a good team
if you.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Give them back three plays as eight Flowers could have
been touched down the you know, the interception left.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I left the house right when he when he caught
it and he and he did the he got the flag.
I was leaving and I'm like, oh, yeah, they're gonna score.
And I come back and I realized the score was
the same. I'm like, yo, it was the touchback rule.
What do you think about that? That touchback?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It is what it is. Hey, if you follow I
love it. That's what I'm saying, Like, that's just desserts.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Like don't we're not going to reward you for you
Like you're not gonna get rewarded for trying to be Superman.
But at the same time, but say Flowers as young
as he is, bro like a special as the season
as he had as a rookie, Like he's gonna continue
building on that, Like hopefully he uses that as motivation
becomes even like even more of a dog, which he
already was.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It happens to the best of us. That's that's one
of the things that you you wouldn't wish on anybody.
It's just you know, it happens.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Man, you know, and all that look on the same team,
there was Marcus Williams, like I believe his his rookie year,
he had something similar happened like against you know, New
Orleans Saints playing Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
But god, why did you just bring that up exactly?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Because that's like that's like the level that was there, right,
So you can be you know, where you could pivot
one of two ways. You can get down to yourself
and not be a better player than you were before,
or you become like Marcus Williams, who you know, ended
up getting a major contract going crazy, had like seven
picks like two years, two seasons ago.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Like this, This is funny. It's funny how you say that,
because like for me, that was my last year, like
going four and a half sacks, Like that's obviously not
what I wanted to be or what I wanted to do,
but it was like for me, you know, when you
watch the game and you understand football, it's like a scheme.
There's so much that goes into getting a sack.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
There's I mean, it's you can win, you can win
all your reps and still not get sacked.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Let's not get a sack, and that's just that's the
game we play. So for me, it was like at
the time, it's like, damn man, Like people call me bus,
people like, oh, this dude is you know, blah blah
blah the media and.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Your first sack was off, Like let's even talk about it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But if your rookie year, your first sack was off
with lamar jack for the strip sack fumble.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Really to like the.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Game, it was pretty.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Much it was a blessing, like you like, that's what
I'm saying. So there's there's flashes like as a rookie,
you'd be like, all right, bet, this is what we
can build off of.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You can't label you can't label.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
A rookie a bus like I don't think I don't
think there's there should be aiding to do so like
you're one is foundation year, Now show me something else.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It's definitely it's definitely, you know, building grounds. And I
would say it's just tough, you know, when you're a
kid going through like you know, nineteen twenty twenty or
probably nineteen, but twenty twenty one, twenty two, your kid
going through you know, and you got the world at
your hands basically, and it's like even like you know,
like you say, it's a flower situation. Like this kid
is just trying to make as many plays as possible.
You know, he's never been at a stage bigger than this,
(13:39):
so it's like he has to prove, you know, his
legacy in one game. And it's like stuff just man.
You know, sometimes the football guys, you know, sometimes the
game just goes away. It goes and no doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Hey, it's crazy you gonna bring up the football guys.
You know, Hey, them old coaches.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You should swear, man, you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Can go listen to the football guys.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I believe. I believe.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Look, yeah you can. I believe in a football outlying source.
You know what I mean? Look, brother Christian, they can
only be one guy.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, not the word we should use it the football energy.
There we go to respect the game.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Respect, Oh coach, we dropped that joint. I came home
one time, was like, man, the football guys, and my
mom looked at me.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I was like, yes, ma'am, yea not of clear right.
I look football outliers energy. I like, I like energy.
I might use that one. But so then you go
to you know, you checked out that game which Pat mahone. Boys,
just it just is what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
He catches a lot of hate for his outside circumstances,
people like people like.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Did you see his dad smoke a cigar? Did you
see his see his his wife being all happy and chipper?
Can you like?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm like, bro, if people around me are having success,
I'm going to be the most annoying mug out there.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Like I'm Jackson Mahomes. I'm out there on the fifty
yard like dancing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
You can't come on, I'm dancing. I'm super Bowl every year.
Come on, bro, you listen. I went to the I
went to the I went to the Bills, the Bills
Chiefs game. Ruh. These first Taylor Swift got our own thing.
It's it's it's uh, you know, it got the it
got the shade on the glass. Right then, the Mahons
families on the other side, as soon as they opened
(15:18):
their box, snowballs just come flying in. Like the fan
the Bills fans are just lying the snowballs and the dad,
you know, the dad is right in front and it's
just so cold because he's you know, obviously he's not
a part of the Shenanigans and TikTok and all the fun.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He's just Jay. Is that what Jason Kelsey like jumped
on the other side.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Exactly. Yeah. It was definitely a time. But when you
when you're winning, it's nothing people can do other than
look for other reasons to tear you down.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I like him because because I'm a winner, that's it.
He took over from Alex Smith.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And thinking about look, I just I just seen the
tweet that's like, yo, Patrick Mahons is going to be
the Michael Jordan of the NFL. Like, watch how many quarterbacks,
how many great quarterbacks don't have a ring because of
Patrick Mahons. And I was like, yo, that that's true.
It's a bunch of Charles Barkley's and you know all
the rest of the guys. I was out there with
no Michael Jordan. Yeah, your thirteen without a ring. I'm like, yo, hey,
(16:15):
question for you. I got a question for you. So
that was the thing that I saw in the NBA.
I think it was a gilbrid Arenas and they were
talking about would you would you rather get, you know,
a fifty million dollar contract and a ring or one
hundred million dollar contract and no ring.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'd have to answer it.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't answer question. Don't answer it because of what
the media is gonna say. Don't ask.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh, I've got no fear of media. Look, I'm only
going to ask this, does it matter where? Because it's
going to matter where for me? Because there's places in
this world like Buffalo could not offer me enough money
to get there too cold.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Like bro, my my only, my only prayer before I
got drafted was Lord, don't send me anywhere cold Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
They could be like, oh, can, We're gonna make you
the highest paid defensive end at thirty five million dollars
a year, and I'd like, politely thank you for your offer.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I'm gonna take something else.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm not Bro, I'm never gonna play somewhere cold, because
after you think we're fighting over fifty MILLI dollars one
hundred million dollars, that's still.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
More money than I've ever wanted in my life. I
came in this game, I was like, Hey, I leave
with ten million dollars, I'm never gonna have to work again.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
What I was like, yo, I was like, I was like,
if I leave with ten I never have to work again. Mom,
never have to work again.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
We're good man.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I passed that up like by year four or five,
you know. So like so if you say.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Fifty million dollars in one hand, one hundred million dollars
then other no ring, super Bowl ring. I'm taking a
Super Bowl ring. But it's gonna depend on the whare. Yeah,
it's going to depend on where. If you say, yo, Kim,
you can stay in New Orleans for the fifty or
you have to go to New England for a hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I'll be right here in New Orleans jail.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now if you say right, if you say, if you
say fifty Kim at Cleveland or a hunted a Buffalo,
I'm retired.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I'm gonna hit you with that drunk lock.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So look, let's say you saw the future. Let's say
you saw the future. Yeah, it's all got to be
Neworalous four years ago. Four years ago. Yeah, four years ago.
They're like, look, we got two million to come to
come to Kansas City, and you knew that what the
future is gonna be. I'm talking about today nothing, but
you knew they win the Super they're gonna win the
next you know, high ready super Bowls?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
What you're doing I'm staying right here in New Orleans, Cane.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's what I like. That's a great answer. Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But see you already playing the cold half of this
because I'm not playing in the cold. I've seen that thing, Bro,
I ain't playing. You laid my first played my first
cold game, bro at year twelve in Cleveland, negative thirty
and negative twenty five.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It was some dumb stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
It was like it was like it was like three degrees,
but with the windshield it was like negative twenty something.
When I tell you, it affirmed everything I've ever believed in.
I was like, no, I don't play.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I played this game. I hated everybody. I hated myself,
like I'm not a good person in the cold. I
was like, man, screw you, screw you.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I was like, no better when you're losing in this
cold real ba, no better, boy, man. And I was
saying the pain. So so then you talk about the
next game, you talk about the Lions, and you talk
about who they just played, man, Lions Niners, and it's
like you just see like and for for them, it
was at the it was at the forty nine.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Ers right said, probably it was it was in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It was. It was in San Francisco. Yeah, yeh, that's
what I'm saying. You know, that's San Francisco, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So North North Bay not really San Francisco, but like
North Bay whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It ain't that bad. So, but you're talking about like
that turmoil of continuously playing. Like, man, I felt those
Lions players like you going there and it's like, man,
you know you work so hard. It's like you come
up dish short. The check ain't even worth it check
and you can keep my check. Bro.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I stopped watching after halftime. I left it like it
wasn't enjoying my pizza. I was like, man, I was like,
all right, so this game over. I was like playing
with my kids doing some other stuff. I know, in fact,
I think yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I was back by then, bro, Like I was like,
all right, cool, come back. I look at the look up.
It's the fourth quarter and it's tied up.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I said, what yeah, it's some ducks on that and
some ducks on that Niner team. We got some we
got some ducks on the you know, shout out to Pinasu, man,
I mean a great player, great officer player, but you know,
the forty nine has got some of our guys too,
so I'm happy for him.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Scow Ducks and look at the last of the pack, man,
I don't even I don't even. I don't even know
how to feel about that bro in fact, beyond the pack,
Like I was, I think when I left, like that
was the last year of packed ten. Think about that.
So then it went Pack twelve. I've never claimed Colorado
or Utah.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I was like, I mean we beat Utah, but you tah,
they did beat this that last time.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I mean horrible after I left, so like I Cali,
like real bad. And we used to we were scraping,
you know, y'all used to have some We used to
have some battles out out.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
In the Eugene and Eugene.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, man, we used to have some battles.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Deshaun Jackson going crazy my freshman year gets y'all in
Autsen back when it was like really rocking.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean it was right, it's still rocking, you know.
I know, cals not much, but it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It's not the same. It's not the same. I'm trying
to throw.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
When I came back, listen, when I came back, I
got I got ejected from a game.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I'm not talking about for y'all. I'm talking for cal
It's not Yeah, but we used to pack seventy thousand.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's like sixty eight thousand out like people on the
hills out there, you bro, you couldn't buy them tickets.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Boys refused to sell.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Them to you. And I think I see people. I
think more people, more people. Like there's a little there's
a little hill right right outside the stadium. I think
more people sit up there on that hill than in the.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Stadium, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh it's bad Like Cala, I.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Didn't know that was that many bootleggers and their boot legging.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Hey, that's crazy, Like things have changed. But I mean,
you know, Oregon hasn't organ sort of stayed the same.
They got all that Nike money. It was like shout
uncle Phil.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Man, which leads me to nil though, Like what's that
even hitting on?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Like listen, you like you one of the first to
really capture n I L and make make you know
everybody in the world jealous, you know what I'm saying,
Like you had n I L.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Like what did that even feel?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Like? Knowing like you was like you wasn't phenomenally like
the sickest. It was like the sickest. It was the
sickest thing that could have happened, and sick meaning great
just because you know, if you were equipped with the
infrastructure as far as like knowledge and people around you,
I mean, it was dope. So me, you know, I
was able to make money during the time. But you
talk about the money they're making now compared to when
(22:45):
I was making money, it's not even close, not even we've.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Been saying, but you're always gonna say about the next gen.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like that's just you know, it's inflation. It is what
it is, and it's like and that's what I think.
Like even the guys that didn't, you know, in the
league that didn't, it's like, yeah, I'm sorry for them, man,
they have they have to walk so we could run.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Looking at it, looking at cow guys like yeah, man,
you know, like man like compart to all the other schools.
I'm not making anything like hey, I got this deal
and I got like ten grand ten ten grandy.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Hey, but you know what I was done with ten
a test spot in college.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Come on, come on. But see, you know, the real
the real problem is that there's no there's no education infrastructure.
So now you're giving a bunch of a bunch of
young guys who don't have any liabilities. So if I
don't have any liabilities, I don't have to worry about
what I use my assets on as far as my money,
you know. So it's like when you talk about you're
(23:36):
giving guys ten thousand, twenty thousand, and thirty thousand. I
hate two cars in college? Why did I have two
cars in college? Because I could one was free and
I paid for one. Why would I pay for one
when I got one free? But it's just like having knowledge,
having understanding of what's important. And it's like, that's what
I think is what's missing, you know, in that in
that whole level or education, you know, giving guys understanding that,
(23:57):
like you just hit for half a million, you gotta
pay taxes on that big dog to go who how
to pay taxes on that big dog? And they we
don't get, we don't know that, we don't know. I've
never paid tax I've never had a job. So it's like,
you know, when you talk about the it's a it's
a blessing and a curse. And now we just now
that we have all of this, we got to go.
You know, we gotta be proactive about the information, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I'll say, how how is that navigating that space? Does
like does college help out or is it just like
the wild wild West?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You got to figure out? So for how to pay tax?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Again, financial organ specifically we had they created and this
was a year I left, they created something called Division Street,
which is basically what we just talked about. It's an
infrastructure for student athletes to learn about an io, to
learn about business and basically give them resources on you know,
the things they need exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
But do your parents give you a check book? Here's
a checkbook?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Do all schools do that? No? Is it something that's
regulated by the n cub A No, absolutely will it?
Will it be regulated by the n C double A
when they can put taxes on it, they can make
the piece. Yeah, when they can get their touch. But
n C double you find a way to get they
cut of course. Man. They tried to tell us my
first year that like any deal, you get registered in
(25:14):
this uh database. And I raised my hand. I said,
so what's gonna happen if we don't. The lady said, Uh,
they're still kind of figuring out what the repercussions are.
I said, so you I'm not going to tell you
what I'm making. Are you stupid? I was like, what
it makes sense? You want to tell you how much
money I'm bringing in?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So you got come on, there's a reason why you
want this list, baby, And I can't help you.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Ain't no way how much.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I don't know how much you I can't. I don't
even know how to read a contract. Uh. And then
look and then when you talk about you know the resources. Now,
for me, I was the you know, a high draft pick,
so there was already agents. We know, an agent game.
Everybody's reaching out and for me, I'm getting I'm getting knowledge.
I'm not going to steer away these relationships. I'm gonna learn.
I'm going to get everything I can. So when when
(25:59):
the time came, I kind of already had a plan
on what I was gonna do. You know, I was
already a big fan of Lebron, big fan of you know,
the movement of n I L And when it happened,
it was like I was, I was ready for it. Luckily,
the first deal I did was with Phil Knight, and
it was like an n f T at the time.
So it was a space that he didn't know and
I didn't know. But we got people exactly. We got
people who were uh he had people that kind of
(26:21):
showed me the way, and that was kind of that
first step, and then from there it was just like
plug and play.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Right when you're first in nil deal coming from a
man who mastered the business plan, come on and say
you're gonna take you you take five hundred grand or
have a sitting down with Jay Z. I'm gonna sit
down with Phil Knight.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, I'm gonna sit down. I'm still getting there. I
ain't gonna get five hundred but I'm gonna still make
something off of.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You know, man, we love we love that, all right.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So what was that transition like like from from college
to the NFL because pre n I L boys got
the league and had to figure out how to have
the you know, the fiduciary responsibility of the finances to
set aside and figure out your life or you sort
of figured it out in college, so that sort of
was was was it, you know, just neither here nor
there for you when you got to lead? So did
that make it easier for you the transition or because.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's just like more money.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It was definitely, it was definitely easier. I say, the
bad part the only it wasn't really bad, But I say,
the only hard part was that my taste got really
expensive faster than I would have hoped. So it wasn't
that I was a guy who's you know, nobody else
with you, you know, so it's not like I'm a
guy to go blow my money. But it's like, yo,
I might as well just eat the highest quality food
(27:34):
at the highest quality restaurants, at the highest quality you know,
Like it's just you realize, like, man, I can, so
why wouldn't I? You know, And in that part you
have to understand the time management. You know, people don't
really realize like, yeah, you get paid fifty million, forty million,
thirty million, but you still got thirty years left to live.
So it's like it's easy to go spend one thousand
(27:54):
dollars a day, fifteen two hundred, two thousand, one hundred
and ten thousand dollars every two weeks. But then it's like,
you know that's gonna run out.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Or it's good while I'm playing, but what happens beyond
after I'm playing I'm over here.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That was That was my idea. That's been That's been
my whole thing, where it's like, don't keep all my
eggs in one basket, continue to you know, be open
to longevity.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Basically, no, man, Hey, look look I put it like this.
My my rookie year, I probably didn't spend that thing.
I paid for my car cash and was like, this
is my money and I need it now, like I
don't know how much long I'm gonna play. But after
that my second year, I was like, I got to
diversify the portfolio. I need I need a rental property,
I need this, I need this, I need this. After
my fifty year, I was like, bro, I just want
to focus on football. And then I was like, I
(28:39):
like somewhere around like that fifty or six years, I
was like, all right, some moves I've made, Like you know,
the first off season, I go to Vegas and you
have a Vegas weekend the professional way, you know what
I'm saying, like living, living, living or lavishly.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
After your first one, you start thinking like, yeah, I
don't know how many more times I can go to Vegas.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm not doing about again.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Hey, look I was thinking about the super Bowl being
because I'm like, yeah, I got one day. They getting
six hours out of me. I'm going I'm sure my
mama come with me.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
But literally I be like this.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I'm like I'll be I'd be running things off, you know,
off the fam. I'm like, hey, like, hey, bro, how
much you make a here? And I was like, hey,
would you do this? And he'd be like, hey, that's crazy.
If I hear like a hype response from him, yeah,
Like I use other people to ground me.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm like I'm like, hey, Mom, like, oh yeah, I
was thinking about you know, like.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
My secondar in league. I was like, I'm thinking about
this audi right. She's like, I don't even know what is.
I was like, Mama's one hundred eighty one hundred. I said, cool, okay,
bring me back to life. Bring me back to life.
You know, like you gotta have some some some sort
of browning situation.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, because you can get into the locker room and
you know, oh, keeping up with the Joneses, keeping up.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
With the Joneses. When you know your boy broke there
with the with the whatever that keys what big big
coming in.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You're like, I had the same tie for eleven years
and every year I'll be like, bro, like I'm two
models behind. I should I should go ahead? And that's
at some point why I rolled.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
It, Like what what iPhone do you have? Right now?
I have no clue what iPhone? I have no clueteen.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Fourteen, but it's got a crack in it, so the
fifteen is probably happening.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, that's gonna happen. But like once you get it,
it's just like we we upgrade because we can. But
then it's like, you know, you get to a point
where it's like man, oh, this is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Until until the phones starts slowing down on me. I'm
used rocket for My rule is like every.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Two or three years, so like yeah, two or three yeah,
but I got a crack in it, so like it's
gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It's sad because look, if you ask Cam ten years ago,
his phone had a crack in and he was taking
it down to the place on the corner getting it
fixed by one of the one of the places for
sixty bucks. Now he just get a whole phone up.
Ain't you done? Changed up? Can changed up? You? Boo?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Absolutely? Hey boom. There's some there's some things in life
you don't fight. Come on, I feel like I feel
like that one.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Hey, traveling, traveling is that one thing for me? Like
I may be tight, I mean a wad and a
lot of places in my life we travel. I'm here
to sleep, the best eat. The best commercial.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
The best commercial I've ever seen was why save during
your travel when you can save on your travel? I
was like, yeah, I would never want to be that
guy to have to save during the travel. I was
a great commercial. I was a great commercial.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Was there is there any place that you've traveled so
far that you like? Dangne?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I've done kind of my first year, I did like
a world tour. So I did, uh Dominican Republic first
I did, and then I went to where I go Jamaica.
Then I went to Africa. I went to South Africa.
Then I went to Hawaii. Then I went to US.
I went to Botswana. It's the city I went to.
(31:48):
I flew into Johannesburg and then like we drove about
five hours to a small country probably only holds like
I think a million people. It was called Botswana though,
and we drove through they say the caves or the
mountains where the first remains of humans were found, so
literally like, yeah, the first people walked the earth, we
(32:11):
kind of drove past. So that was pretty dope. Uh.
And then this year I'm going to Spain, going to
trying to put something together Nigeria. I just did my
DNA test found out I was Nigerian. So I'm gonna
try to go out there and uh and go get
some knowledge and some you know history. Spain, Yes, span Yeah,
(32:32):
I'm go to Barcelona. Yeah, I'm gona go to Barcelona,
then go down to Uh. Uh, I'm gonna go to
I'm flying to Paris, go to Barcelona, stay in Paris
for a couple of days, go to Barcelona and then uh,
there's another place called something with an end, but it's
an island. Trying it my Mosque Modico.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
There's a few of them.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm gonna just simply say add in San Sebastian. San Sebastian,
it's right there by. If you finding in the France first, right,
it's right there. It's a connection area of France and
Spain on the Yeah, what is the Poconos, Poconese whatever mountains,
he's the worst. It's it's Basque country, but it's one
(33:15):
of the most beautiful spots that I think I've seen
the date, like think of think of a fire city
that meets like beach and whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
It is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Away Sebastian, Bill Bao San Sebastian. You gotta go to
a soccer game. It's this, Yeah, you gotta go check
you gotta check it out. Anyways, it's funny just to
hear you talking, like I've seen you talk before, you know,
pre draft whatever that was going through. But it's like
you talk well beyond your years, bro, and even this year,
it seems like you've become so sort of like a
vocal leader even.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
As a young kid.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Then I say kid, because you know, second year you
got to ten years, you got thirteen two. Hey bro,
that's that's sort of happened to me. Bro, Like my
second third year the league, all the old heads got
sort of pushed out when to another team, got paid
whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I looked around and I was like, from a rookie
to event, like was my life? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Like eh like that.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
So you know you talk about you just being like
a vocal leader early on in this stage, is it
you know? The is it the factors that contribute to
that is like your willingness to be that to step
into it, because I mean you still had up until
halfway through the season, you had Linnl Williams, you got
sexy Dexi over there. You know, you got some old heads.
But it seems like the more you talk, the more
you amped up. You came that spark for your defense.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So you know, I would say, first, you know, when
it talks about leadership is position first based off of quarterback,
running back, middle linebacker, safety, guys who you know kind
of are the focal points of the defense or of
the offense. So that's kind of the initial leadership role.
And then Dexter Lawrence obviously, who's the biggest guy you
know in the room, right, it makes no you know
(34:51):
when a guy. But then it comes to play, right,
And I think that's the big component that you learn
once you start to you you get into the league
that it's all about how much you contribute on the
field and if you're able to contribute on the field.
So even my first year, like you know, you want
to lead guys, but if you ain't making plays anybody listening,
(35:11):
that's the truth behind it. So then once you know,
the second year comes and now it's like, okay, I'm
more of an instrument in the defense. You know, a
couple guys leave, a couple guys get traded. Now it's
like there are voids that have to be filled in
a team chemistry standpoint. You know, that's when you have
to make that decision where you know, are you going
to be that guy to step in? You know, And
it's tough because people think leadership is something that you
(35:35):
can choose. You know, it's not really something you choose.
It's something that your teammates kind of kind of revere
you as you know. So for me, I would say
that it was just learning how to be a leader.
You know, you think you know how to lead until
it's time to lead, right, and you think you have
everything figured out or you think you know what you're
doing until you get in adverse situations. So for me
(35:59):
man first year, you know, I think it was just
understanding the landscape, understanding where I fit in, understand it,
you know people. And then second year it was okay,
how can I help my teammates be their best selves? Right?
So you know, before every game, I'm asking Bobby, you know,
my oft the linebacker. I'm like, what do you need
for me for you to play your best? What? What?
What parts do you think I can support your vision,
(36:21):
you know, as a leader of the team and be
a support on I.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Say, Bobby's last night because I've never tried.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay, exactly that was a
good and I never heard Okay, okay, that's a good.
I like that. I like that. I'm gonna have to
take that back to it. Yeah okay, ok But He's
He's definitely a true leader, and I think, you know,
when it comes to leadership, you have to kind of
emulate certain people. So I'm very blessed to have a
true leader, natural leader that I can you know, emulate
(36:50):
as far as off the field, as far as taking
care of your body, as far as watching film and
things like that to you know, continue to be a
vessel for other teammates, younger teammates coming in and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Facts. Man, Like I said, I love I love to
see the growth.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I'm like, I'm looking forward to your year three. What
are you looking forward to it? And your three?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Man? Honestly, I'm just I'm chasing these sacks. Man you know,
you know how that you know how that uns, but
you know how that feel to be to be in
the hunt. You know, it's it's it's a great feeling
because it's always a new challenge. But that's where I'm at.
You know, obviously it's going in my third year. Third
years year for renegotiations if you're one of those guys, right,
(37:28):
if you're one of the ones. So for me, you know,
Michael Strahan said one great thing to me, seriously, he
said one great to me. Think to me when I
got in the lead. He said, you know, it's easy
to be one of the eleven guys on the field,
but you want to be the one out of the eleven.
And that's that, that's that difference. So that's kind of
what I'm working on this year.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Shout out, Mike, Come on, Mike, Mike, friend that money.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Man, Mike straight ahead. Definitely he's a grow up. Watching
that man, I was like, I want to be like him.
And then I realized, I was like, man, I'm too eighty.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Five, and this is even so, this is even surreal
because I was looking at you like that. Now we're
sitting here on the podcast, were sitting here in the
league together and though for real, it's amazing. I remember
you were talking about it was one. It was really
you and von Miller are two guys that I've always
looked at, just on a vocal standpoint of people who
you know are going to give their tips in pass rush.
But you talk about you know, I think you said
(38:19):
you had something where you like, if you do if
you go fast with bad technique, you're okay. If you
go fast with good technique, you're doing great. But if
you go slow with bad technique, you're gonna be on
the bench somewhere. You said something like that, and that
stuck with me Like that, that stuck with me. That
was something that that I've taken. And then you know,
obviously there there are gems that other, you know, guys
(38:39):
like you have been dropping, and it's just up to
the younger guys to keep you know, using those gems
and implement them into your game.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Man, I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Look, I learned I learned that one early earlier the
your thing because my rookie year, I was out there
like all right, well I got to play the run.
I gotta have this technique. But if you move slow
even if it's the right answer, you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Don't matter, you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
But if you move fast and you'd be like you
it's a b and you missed the wrong one, you
can still be in a right spot.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And you think about a guy like you think about
a guy like Max Crosby, and you know he's a
guy who right now is the epitome of you. Just
do it hard, do it fast. Everything's gonna work out.
He has This is no not to him. He has
one move. That swipe is the most dangerous move I've
ever seen a human. Dude.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
He's got to counterspin too. His his swipe is stupid.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But how many guys are gonna keep getting got with
the swipe?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
How many guys are gonna keep getting got with the
long arm? How many guys gonna keep getting got with
a swim? Look, when you perfect your craft, it doesn't
matter about them. I said this early and often, an
office a lineman is just office a lineman. I'm now
rushing against the quarterback because I need to know how
fast he's releasing the ball because off the lineman their cattle.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
There's gonna be strong. There's gonna be strong ones.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
But whatever I never swiped till I saw Max Crosby
get like thirteen sacks off all swipes. Then I was like,
you know what, I was like, something I need to
figure out. I gotta figure it out. And then he
just plays hard. Man. When you play hard and you
play every snap, dude, you reap the benefits of it.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Absolutely. I was hoping you're going to say, hey, I'm
evolving to a killer run stopper, but.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
You know what, I get it age that's the no, no, no, see,
don't overlook the run. That is the difference to me
between a lot of pass rushers out there and let's
say four down football players. I told myself and I
came in sleep, I'm be a four down guy. I'm
not the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, not the
strongest guy, but I'm going to be trustworthy on first
(40:32):
down all the way to fourth. So when you talk
about run stop and you talk about things like that,
like that's you can't even rush the passer unless you
set in edge.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You got, I'm like, hey, I'll be waiting for the
move on my way. In fact, y'all think I was.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I think I was damaged by then the whole Hiko
Aloyd goes like, all I could do is stop the run.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Look, look the cold the coldest thing is when you
see guys like and to me, I was. I came
out of a system in college where it was like
there was no jumping around blocks to make a play right.
And it's like when you're in the league, though, it's like,
you know, you almost get frustrated a little bit because
it's like, Yo, all these guys are making these tackles
for losses and they're jumping.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Around blocks, and I've been a sea gap and here
you are.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I'm like, but and it's like me, you will, you
take it, you make it. And it's like you start
to realize that when you are a guy who has
the instinct and you have the trust within your coaches,
it's like you gotta go play big and make big plays.
And you know, I always think of a guy like
t J. Watts. TJ wat go to the casino one
time you go, you TJ Wyt get twenty sacks and
(41:36):
he's gonna get ten tackles for losses because he gonna
jump them. He's gonna take it, he gonna he gonna
play his game, and it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
He knows his body type, and he's like, look, what
I'm not here gonna do is is set the edge
every time against somebody who outweys me by eighty to
ninety bounds. But what I can do is give you
all this movement. Oh, I can shoot up the field.
Oh and now you now you're nervous, and now I'm underneath.
And he also has got huge interior y linement like
across the board. But you know, but shoot, I appreciate you, bro.
(42:03):
I'm gonna wrap this up real quick. Bro, I appreciate
you tapping in with with with me on my podcast
Off the Edge. Bro, I see nothing but great things
going for you. So you know, if you have eleven
sacks this year, but I try and tell people, don't
worry about the sacks. Worry about your process because the
sacks are going to come. And I mean your process.
You already built the process. So just keep on believing
and keep on striving for greatness.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Thank you, Thank you for having me. I appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Man appreciate my guy Caveon coming on the pod, you know,
blessing us with his personality.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I think that you know, as a young bull, he
out there sort of leading to charge him. Guys like
Aiden Hutchinson, these young talented past rushers, uh you know
Nick Bose, I guess still technically young, Chase Young. The
league is in good hands right now, you know, George
call offtic but beyond just being a pass rusher, it's
it's great to see their personality off the field. And
(42:58):
so at this point, you know, speaking of off the field,
I want to go through, you know, a New Orleans
current event that's definitely heavy on my mind and my heart.
So we're gonna get We're gonna we're gonna talk about
what happened between you know, New Orleans Saints New Orleans
this week with my guy Will Smith's shooter Cardelles. Earlier
(43:26):
this last week, a guy by the name of Cardele
Cardel Hayes, a New Orleanian who murdered teammate Will Smith
of mine years back, was given a verdict reached upon
by the jury where you.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Know, he was sentenced to what is it, up to
forty years in jail.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I mean he shot somebody in the back eight times.
You know, it was a road rage incident gone wrong,
and it destroyed multiple families. You figure Will Smith's side.
You know, he had he left the world too soon
in his thirties, left the wife, you know, left three kids.
I mean, that's three kids that are growing up with
(44:07):
that the father. Because a man got upset that he
thought he was tapped in the back, or maybe he
was tapped in the back, but either way, it was
an incident that just went awry.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
If you guys don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Will Smith was a defensive en former of the New
Orleans Saints for nine seasons I do believe then I
think a ten season maybe with the Patriots, and was
my og when I first came in. Somewhere in there
in his retirement, you know, he had an accident that
happened in the night, him, his wife, two other people
in a car bumped into possibly bumped into that. I
(44:40):
think that's what the main action was was Cardil Hayes
had felt like Will Smith had tapped into his car
some long lines seen tape video, whatever it is, but
didn't address it properly, and Cardille Hayes.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Goes off into a chase after will Smith.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
They then somewhere catch up to each other because there's
an altercation that happens. Words are said, Will Smith is
going back to his car. Cardil Hayes says he was
fearing for his life and shot this, you know, shot
at my teammate and then his back eight times, ended
up shooting the wife time or two. Just messy on
(45:18):
all accounts, and you try not to be affected by it,
but you always are. I mean, somebodys in their thirties
to be murdered out in the streets of New Orleans
and what I'm sure one side will say is self
defense somehow and the other side would say murder. And
(45:39):
how you can only pray that God sorts it all
out at the end of the day, because that's that's
that's a that's a deal. I mean, shout out to
Smith family for being rock solid. You know, I think,
I don't think you know, the oldest son, Will Smith Junior,
is over at Ohio State as a d lineman, following
his father's footsteps. You know, Winter is young button kid
(46:00):
in high school?
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Daughter? Is she like a senior now?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Like the whole family's grown, Like we've witnessed these kids
grow up for real, for real, so I know that
they're affected. And then of course Cardell Hayes is the
New Orleanians who had tried out for the Saints. So
for him to you know, say he didn't know who
will Smith was. Yeah, all right, now say the New
Orleans lives breeze and eats and sleeps and drinks football,
(46:25):
he knew who he was. But you know that's neither
here nor they're the altercation leveled up to a whole
other spot, you know. So his family's affected, of course,
I'm sure I think he has some kids. He's clearly
got outspoken, you know, family relatives that are fighting for
is just for for his side.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Where there's going to be hurt.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
There's always gonna be people who think they're on the
right side or whatever it is. Again, I'm gonna leave
that that to the jury and the Jesus to figure
that one out because I do not know the intricate
delicacies of that one.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
And that's our show man. I appreciate y'all for.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Tuning in, not even just like this week, let's just
be real. I appreciate everybody who's tapping in with me
on the pod. Off the edge of the podcast, you know,
yours truly going through the gambit of emotions week to week,
through the games of the Highs and lows sitting here.
Over the next couple of weeks, we'll be heading into
Super Bowl week. Just shout out to y'all the listeners
(47:28):
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Speaker 1 (47:32):
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Speaker 1 (48:00):
There's the podcast.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
I appreciate y' all. Major blessings, big vibes, levels to everything.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Peace,
It's Cam Jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Here we are twentieth episode of Off the Edge of
the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Man, we're here twenty look at us go.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Not only gonna we talk about the SC championship game,
which you know, Baltimore Ravens versus the Kansas City Chiefs.
We're gonna talk about the NFC championship game. Nick Bosa Bowling,
Our Grades Bowling, Eric Arsten Bowling. And then we're gonna
talk about you know who they played in the Detroit Lions.
Tough to watch it, but we'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It as well as you know.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We're just gonna get my guy, Caveon Thibodeau, Young Buck,
Young Bull with the first you know, ten plus sax
season this past season, his second year, turning it up,
turning it on often his second year in the league.
Cavon Thibodeau, Now, let's get into the East Conference championship games.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm not gonna lie to you. I had picked Now.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
In my mind, I was like, I don't care who wins,
Like if the Saints Saint in the I don't care
who wins. But in my mind I was like, all right,
well it's really like Saint Smidwest with Detroit Lions, Dan Campbell,
Aaron Glenn. You know you've got Chauncey Gardner, Johnson, Alex
Anzelone even you know a former og of mine that
played at cal defensive and opposite of me, tyson A.
Lulu had got activated and played in the game and
(01:17):
even had a sack shout out to my dog tyson O.
Lulu and Detroit looked like they were convincingly winning in
the first half, and then the Niners woke up the
giant that they are and got to putting the beat
down on Detroit, which Detroit still had chances to win
the game.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It was.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was an exciting game.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It was one of those games that you can talk
about and like, dang, I did not see this one coming. Uh,
just like you did in the AFC Championship game with
Pat Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift. Every three series they
show her, which I have.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, I feel no, no, no way about it.
I don't. I don't really.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Know her music, but I I'm rooting for my friends,
you know. So I know Travis Kelsey pretty pretty well.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think Charles Men who is was bawling up until
he got hurt in the game. On the other side,
you know Marcus Williams, you know Lamar Jackson, You've got
Arthur Malett.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Formerly of the Saints.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Over there, there's guys you can root for. So I
was rooting for individuals, and yet I was still like,
you know, Lamar Jackson, do one. Pat Mahomes has like two,
has been in three Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But to no avail. Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Pat Mahome Boy then showed up and showed out. Therefore,
you know, Len Leven targets level receptions. Travis Kelsey showed
up and showed out. You know, Marquz, I'm not even
gonna try that one. For all discounting Scantling Valdez, it's
one of the two had the game ceiling catch and
that was it. Somehow, some way, the Chiefs when they
hit the playoffs, they hit it and stride Chris Jones,
(02:46):
killer Monster, George Carter loftus baller.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's just one of those things that.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
There's a reason why the Chiefs have been four Super
Bowls in the last six years. Is it crazy? You
can't count him out. Don't count him out. That's a
problem if you do.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So on that note, we're just gonna talk about my
guests coming up.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Got the young buck, young bull, guy from the Giants,
got drafted out of Oregon.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Talented, top five pick at number five.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
A young bull, young gun, a young.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Killer off the edge, Cavon Thibodeaux from from Oregon. You know,
fifth pick overall in twenty twenty two. Second year ran
boy went for more than ten sacks, Bro, I just
appreciate you tapping in with me. I mean beyond sacks.
You know you still pushed in another fifty tackles.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You know what to work.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We played all this year and you know you were
a menace. You were a minis on the line. I
love them.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I love to see the.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Best of us, the best of us.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This time, Bro, you had a kid named Tommy Cutlet
spinning that thing.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, it's one for the young bulls. You know he
almost got it done.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We gotta keep going absolutely when you have a four
man dollar quarterback that you hope to be playing. Look,
I've been in that position where I've seen our starter
quarterback go down and the next man up have to
go and.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You could win, you could win some, but get away.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Get tough, Yeah, get tough in that and that deep end.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, when you go from a Desert Eagle to a
Smith and West and you're like, all right, we can
get the job.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So the second year, Man, what changed for you this year?
You talk about for the first year you got actily made.
A second year you turned it up.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Oh man, you just the comfortability, you know, you talk
about being second year in the system. Second year, you know,
going against the best guys in the league or the
best guys in the world. I should say, you just
start to feel more comfortable. You get a little more
time to rest, you get more time off. You know.
Obviously coming off college, you got the draft and all
that to prepare for it, so you never actually get
(04:47):
your body time to rest and time to you know,
focus on football. You know. So now I had a
full off season last year. I was able to come in.
I was able to really focus on the game and
how to get better and what I need to get
better at. And then you I was able to and
then playing alongside guys obviously Dexter Lawrence learning how to
rush the passer with you know, other guys Leonard Williams,
(05:08):
he got traded, but you know that was a guy
who kind of helped develop my game, and then Dis's
on the other side and every other man that's kind
of stepped up and been a part of the front,
we just been you know, they've been a vessel and
they've been there to, you know, help me grow, and
we've learned how to rush as a unit. And that's
kind of that's was a testament to you know, the
plays we're making.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
We love that PC answer. Yeah, yeah, give flowers to everybody.
I can't go to big your big erol Step. You
clearly hooped in high school, Big big, big yearo Step.
I see what you did there, big Lag, big Lane.
From the film that I've watched. I mean, you know,
your first year you showed, you showed some glimpses. This
year it seemed like, you know, I don't know how
to say that without having to say pause. You learned
(05:46):
how to use your length more like it's crazy work
to help out, you know, But as a defensive end, bro,
you learn how to extend your arms out, lockout, and
as well as uh, you know, your long arm and
power sort of came into play.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So for me, you know, I used to use long
arm in college. But you start to play against guys
that aren't you know they're not going forward as much
as guys where you got Trent William, you got you know,
Piney Seuwel, you got guys across the league who are
You're not You're not gonna let a guy that's two
hundred and fifty five pounds long arm you you know,
And for me as a rookie, I you know, you
(06:17):
have that kind of in your head, right It's like
you're going to fight Mike Tyson. It's like, Okay, I
know what this guy has, so it kind of intimidates
you and what you can do. So me kind of
coming into the second year, I was able to build
that confidence in the moves that I've already had, but
you know, able to kind of believe in them a
little more and start to you know, put them on display.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
No doubt. Do you have a favorite pass social move now?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I mean I would say long arm. You know that's
always when you got when you are a guy with length, obviously,
you know you got to keep guys at a distance
because I'm not the strongest guy. I can't. You know,
you see a lot of guys kind of just move
guys out the way and dexter Lawrence lenn Williams or
guys examples even you are an example of that. When
you have a little more weight behind you, you can
you know, you can use your moves, you can throw
them around. But me now being able to use the
long arm, keep the link and work off of it.
(07:00):
You know, you start to see how there's so many
moves and it's really just the angles. Your angles are
a lot better off the long arm rather than like
last year I was, there was a lot of running
around the quarterback and it was like I got pressures
and I got you know, hits. But I had to
kind of shorten that angle because you know, guys are
stepping up quarterbacks, they get paid money. They do for
a reason. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Look, I like to switch it up into my mind.
Is it's three really really two different angles. I think
about the speed angle, which is a vertical attack, and
I think about a power angle, which means I'm gonna
sit your ass down, you know, And I say three
at three angles because then like there's sometimes where you
go into a wide nine ish and you still angle
(07:40):
them down. So now instead of you know, meeting no
matter what you think, it would be a speed angle,
it's like a combination coming in you never.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, you never realized how much geometry was in football.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Right at all angles angle?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Hit a girl, look girlfriend out there like so so
so bring that over here, you know, like, oh you
know how you know how to short in a stell?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Come bringing it over here? Or wife in my case
because you know I'm married with four kids.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, that's a good life, man, that's a good life.
I'm not there, yeah, but I'm a crossover soon no, no, yeah,
I mean soon as relative, as soon as relative.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
When that mustache and beard drop and connect, when connect,
we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
No, don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Don't enjoy, Enjoy, enjoy you know, year two, Enjoy year three,
four or five six, Maybe introduce the idea.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Look, I think I got to your I was like
your four before.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
People noticed when when when he started talking, he started whispering,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Because I'm gonna catch flat from wife you regardless. So
let's just you know, where exactly do you want to
go with it? But I'm sure you watch the games
this weekend, bro, what what did you take away from
the conference championship games?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Because basically we all want to be there.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Oh man, obviously, Like, dude, just first, I could you know,
I feel like a lot of a lot of people
were rooting for Lamar and I just off with the
Lamar Patrick Mahons game. A lot of people are rooting
for Lamar because of the flac that he gets right
for his style of play right, and I think us
being players and us knowing how to grind, Like, for example,
you do a swim move. You know, swim move is
(09:14):
better than any swim move I've ever seen. But I
could promise that there are coaches or people that probably
told you along your lines that, oh the swim move
is you know, that's that's not the move, or you know,
like that never gonna work. You've heard that, and you've
made a hundred sacks you know, in counting whatever to
get to that point. But yeah, man, you talk about
a lot of guys seeing a guy like Lamar Jackson
and what he can do and what he brings to
(09:35):
the game, and you know, all the flak that he
gets and all of the scrutiny that he's under even
though he is one of the you know, greatest athletic,
you know, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
I think as far as athleticism, in ability, athleticism crazy.
So you know, I feel like we're all rooted for him,
you know, watching the game. Obviously the Baltimore has a
(09:55):
great defense, but I think, you know, Patrick Mahons, they've
just been there too many times. I hate to say,
you've just been there too many times. You've done it
too many times.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
King of the Hill. You got to prove them, You
got to prove them they're wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Because it's four super Bowls now in five or six years.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You without this one, three super bowls in five.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Or six years. Got Chris Jones in the middle.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Chris Jones in the middle, George carl is just living.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Shout out to Carloftons. He's the boy. You know, we
were in the same Dravet class, right right, man crazy
and then the young guys in the back end, you know,
the dvs. You gotta step up, you gotta make players,
you gotta stop it, and they making plays, man. And
I would say I would say on that, you know,
when you just talk about the game, it's tough when
(10:42):
you know you are fighting that uphill battle, you know,
and they fought, they obviously fought to the end, but
you know, it's it's tough man, So they're gonna get it, right.
I still I still see them being a good team
if you.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Give them back three plays as eight Flowers could have
been touched down the you know, the interception left.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I left the house right when he when he caught
it and he and he did the he got the flag.
I was leaving and I'm like, oh, yeah, they're gonna score.
And I come back and I realized the score was
the same. I'm like, yo, it was the touchback rule.
What do you think about that? That touchback?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It is what it is. Hey, if you follow I
love it. That's what I'm saying, Like, that's just desserts.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Like don't we're not going to reward you for you
Like you're not gonna get rewarded for trying to be Superman.
But at the same time, but say Flowers as young
as he is, bro like a special as the season
as he had as a rookie, Like he's gonna continue
building on that, Like hopefully he uses that as motivation
becomes even like even more of a dog, which he
already was.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It happens to the best of us. That's that's one
of the things that you you wouldn't wish on anybody.
It's just you know, it happens.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Man, you know, and all that look on the same team,
there was Marcus Williams, like I believe his his rookie year,
he had something similar happened like against you know, New
Orleans Saints playing Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
But god, why did you just bring that up exactly?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Because that's like that's like the level that was there, right,
So you can be you know, where you could pivot
one of two ways. You can get down to yourself
and not be a better player than you were before,
or you become like Marcus Williams, who you know, ended
up getting a major contract going crazy, had like seven
picks like two years, two seasons ago.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Like this, This is funny. It's funny how you say that,
because like for me, that was my last year, like
going four and a half sacks, Like that's obviously not
what I wanted to be or what I wanted to do,
but it was like for me, you know, when you
watch the game and you understand football, it's like a scheme.
There's so much that goes into getting a sack.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
There's I mean, it's you can win, you can win
all your reps and still not get sacked.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Let's not get a sack, and that's just that's the
game we play. So for me, it was like at
the time, it's like, damn man, Like people call me bus,
people like, oh, this dude is you know, blah blah
blah the media and.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Your first sack was off, Like let's even talk about it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But if your rookie year, your first sack was off
with lamar jack for the strip sack fumble.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Really to like the.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Game, it was pretty.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Much it was a blessing, like you like, that's what
I'm saying. So there's there's flashes like as a rookie,
you'd be like, all right, bet, this is what we
can build off of.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You can't label you can't label.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
A rookie a bus like I don't think I don't
think there's there should be aiding to do so like
you're one is foundation year, Now show me something else.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It's definitely it's definitely, you know, building grounds. And I
would say it's just tough, you know, when you're a
kid going through like you know, nineteen twenty twenty or
probably nineteen, but twenty twenty one, twenty two, your kid
going through you know, and you got the world at
your hands basically, and it's like even like you know,
like you say, it's a flower situation. Like this kid
is just trying to make as many plays as possible.
You know, he's never been at a stage bigger than this,
(13:39):
so it's like he has to prove, you know, his
legacy in one game. And it's like stuff just man.
You know, sometimes the football guys, you know, sometimes the
game just goes away. It goes and no doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Hey, it's crazy you gonna bring up the football guys.
You know, Hey, them old coaches.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You should swear, man, you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Can go listen to the football guys.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I believe. I believe.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Look, yeah you can. I believe in a football outlying source.
You know what I mean? Look, brother Christian, they can
only be one guy.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, not the word we should use it the football energy.
There we go to respect the game.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Respect, Oh coach, we dropped that joint. I came home
one time, was like, man, the football guys, and my
mom looked at me.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I was like, yes, ma'am, yea not of clear right.
I look football outliers energy. I like, I like energy.
I might use that one. But so then you go
to you know, you checked out that game which Pat mahone. Boys,
just it just is what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
He catches a lot of hate for his outside circumstances,
people like people like.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Did you see his dad smoke a cigar? Did you
see his see his his wife being all happy and chipper?
Can you like?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm like, bro, if people around me are having success,
I'm going to be the most annoying mug out there.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Like I'm Jackson Mahomes. I'm out there on the fifty
yard like dancing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
You can't come on, I'm dancing. I'm super Bowl every year.
Come on, bro, you listen. I went to the I
went to the I went to the Bills, the Bills
Chiefs game. Ruh. These first Taylor Swift got our own thing.
It's it's it's uh, you know, it got the it
got the shade on the glass. Right then, the Mahons
families on the other side, as soon as they opened
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their box, snowballs just come flying in. Like the fan
the Bills fans are just lying the snowballs and the dad,
you know, the dad is right in front and it's
just so cold because he's you know, obviously he's not
a part of the Shenanigans and TikTok and all the fun.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He's just Jay. Is that what Jason Kelsey like jumped
on the other side.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Exactly. Yeah. It was definitely a time. But when you
when you're winning, it's nothing people can do other than
look for other reasons to tear you down.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I like him because because I'm a winner, that's it.
He took over from Alex Smith.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And thinking about look, I just I just seen the
tweet that's like, yo, Patrick Mahons is going to be
the Michael Jordan of the NFL. Like, watch how many quarterbacks,
how many great quarterbacks don't have a ring because of
Patrick Mahons. And I was like, yo, that that's true.
It's a bunch of Charles Barkley's and you know all
the rest of the guys. I was out there with
no Michael Jordan. Yeah, your thirteen without a ring. I'm like, yo, hey,
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question for you. I got a question for you. So
that was the thing that I saw in the NBA.
I think it was a gilbrid Arenas and they were
talking about would you would you rather get, you know,
a fifty million dollar contract and a ring or one
hundred million dollar contract and no ring.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'd have to answer it.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't answer question. Don't answer it because of what
the media is gonna say. Don't ask.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh, I've got no fear of media. Look, I'm only
going to ask this, does it matter where? Because it's
going to matter where for me? Because there's places in
this world like Buffalo could not offer me enough money
to get there too cold.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Like bro, my my only, my only prayer before I
got drafted was Lord, don't send me anywhere cold Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
They could be like, oh, can, We're gonna make you
the highest paid defensive end at thirty five million dollars
a year, and I'd like, politely thank you for your offer.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I'm gonna take something else.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm not Bro, I'm never gonna play somewhere cold, because
after you think we're fighting over fifty MILLI dollars one
hundred million dollars, that's still.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
More money than I've ever wanted in my life. I
came in this game, I was like, Hey, I leave
with ten million dollars, I'm never gonna have to work again.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
What I was like, yo, I was like, I was like,
if I leave with ten I never have to work again. Mom,
never have to work again.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
We're good man.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I passed that up like by year four or five,
you know. So like so if you say.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Fifty million dollars in one hand, one hundred million dollars
then other no ring, super Bowl ring. I'm taking a
Super Bowl ring. But it's gonna depend on the whare. Yeah,
it's going to depend on where. If you say, yo, Kim,
you can stay in New Orleans for the fifty or
you have to go to New England for a hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I'll be right here in New Orleans jail.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now if you say right, if you say, if you
say fifty Kim at Cleveland or a hunted a Buffalo,
I'm retired.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I'm gonna hit you with that drunk lock.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So look, let's say you saw the future. Let's say
you saw the future. Yeah, it's all got to be
Neworalous four years ago. Four years ago. Yeah, four years ago.
They're like, look, we got two million to come to
come to Kansas City, and you knew that what the
future is gonna be. I'm talking about today nothing, but
you knew they win the Super they're gonna win the
next you know, high ready super Bowls?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
What you're doing I'm staying right here in New Orleans, Cane.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's what I like. That's a great answer. Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But see you already playing the cold half of this
because I'm not playing in the cold. I've seen that thing, Bro,
I ain't playing. You laid my first played my first
cold game, bro at year twelve in Cleveland, negative thirty
and negative twenty five.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It was some dumb stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
It was like it was like it was like three degrees,
but with the windshield it was like negative twenty something.
When I tell you, it affirmed everything I've ever believed in.
I was like, no, I don't play.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I played this game. I hated everybody. I hated myself,
like I'm not a good person in the cold. I
was like, man, screw you, screw you.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I was like, no better when you're losing in this
cold real ba, no better, boy, man. And I was
saying the pain. So so then you talk about the
next game, you talk about the Lions, and you talk
about who they just played, man, Lions Niners, and it's
like you just see like and for for them, it
was at the it was at the forty nine.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Ers right said, probably it was it was in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It was. It was in San Francisco. Yeah, yeh, that's
what I'm saying. You know, that's San Francisco, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So North North Bay not really San Francisco, but like
North Bay whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It ain't that bad. So, but you're talking about like
that turmoil of continuously playing. Like, man, I felt those
Lions players like you going there and it's like, man,
you know you work so hard. It's like you come
up dish short. The check ain't even worth it check
and you can keep my check. Bro.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I stopped watching after halftime. I left it like it
wasn't enjoying my pizza. I was like, man, I was like,
all right, so this game over. I was like playing
with my kids doing some other stuff. I know, in fact,
I think yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I was back by then, bro, Like I was like,
all right, cool, come back. I look at the look up.
It's the fourth quarter and it's tied up.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I said, what yeah, it's some ducks on that and
some ducks on that Niner team. We got some we
got some ducks on the you know, shout out to Pinasu, man,
I mean a great player, great officer player, but you know,
the forty nine has got some of our guys too,
so I'm happy for him.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Scow Ducks and look at the last of the pack, man,
I don't even I don't even. I don't even know
how to feel about that bro in fact, beyond the pack,
Like I was, I think when I left, like that
was the last year of packed ten. Think about that.
So then it went Pack twelve. I've never claimed Colorado
or Utah.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I was like, I mean we beat Utah, but you tah,
they did beat this that last time.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I mean horrible after I left, so like I Cali,
like real bad. And we used to we were scraping,
you know, y'all used to have some We used to
have some battles out out.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
In the Eugene and Eugene.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, man, we used to have some battles.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Deshaun Jackson going crazy my freshman year gets y'all in
Autsen back when it was like really rocking.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean it was right, it's still rocking, you know.
I know, cals not much, but it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It's not the same. It's not the same. I'm trying
to throw.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
When I came back, listen, when I came back, I
got I got ejected from a game.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I'm not talking about for y'all. I'm talking for cal
It's not Yeah, but we used to pack seventy thousand.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's like sixty eight thousand out like people on the
hills out there, you bro, you couldn't buy them tickets.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Boys refused to sell.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Them to you. And I think I see people. I
think more people, more people. Like there's a little there's
a little hill right right outside the stadium. I think
more people sit up there on that hill than in the.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Stadium, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh it's bad Like Cala, I.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Didn't know that was that many bootleggers and their boot legging.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Hey, that's crazy, Like things have changed. But I mean,
you know, Oregon hasn't organ sort of stayed the same.
They got all that Nike money. It was like shout
uncle Phil.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Man, which leads me to nil though, Like what's that
even hitting on?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Like listen, you like you one of the first to
really capture n I L and make make you know
everybody in the world jealous, you know what I'm saying,
Like you had n I L.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Like what did that even feel?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Like? Knowing like you was like you wasn't phenomenally like
the sickest. It was like the sickest. It was the
sickest thing that could have happened, and sick meaning great
just because you know, if you were equipped with the
infrastructure as far as like knowledge and people around you,
I mean, it was dope. So me, you know, I
was able to make money during the time. But you
talk about the money they're making now compared to when
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I was making money, it's not even close, not even we've.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Been saying, but you're always gonna say about the next gen.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like that's just you know, it's inflation. It is what
it is, and it's like and that's what I think.
Like even the guys that didn't, you know, in the
league that didn't, it's like, yeah, I'm sorry for them, man,
they have they have to walk so we could run.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Looking at it, looking at cow guys like yeah, man,
you know, like man like compart to all the other schools.
I'm not making anything like hey, I got this deal
and I got like ten grand ten ten grandy.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Hey, but you know what I was done with ten
a test spot in college.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Come on, come on. But see, you know, the real
the real problem is that there's no there's no education infrastructure.
So now you're giving a bunch of a bunch of
young guys who don't have any liabilities. So if I
don't have any liabilities, I don't have to worry about
what I use my assets on as far as my money,
you know. So it's like when you talk about you're
(23:36):
giving guys ten thousand, twenty thousand, and thirty thousand. I
hate two cars in college? Why did I have two
cars in college? Because I could one was free and
I paid for one. Why would I pay for one
when I got one free? But it's just like having knowledge,
having understanding of what's important. And it's like, that's what
I think is what's missing, you know, in that in
that whole level or education, you know, giving guys understanding that,
(23:57):
like you just hit for half a million, you gotta
pay taxes on that big dog to go who how
to pay taxes on that big dog? And they we
don't get, we don't know that, we don't know. I've
never paid tax I've never had a job. So it's like,
you know, when you talk about the it's a it's
a blessing and a curse. And now we just now
that we have all of this, we got to go.
You know, we gotta be proactive about the information, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I'll say, how how is that navigating that space? Does
like does college help out or is it just like
the wild wild West?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You got to figure out? So for how to pay tax?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Again, financial organ specifically we had they created and this
was a year I left, they created something called Division Street,
which is basically what we just talked about. It's an
infrastructure for student athletes to learn about an io, to
learn about business and basically give them resources on you know,
the things they need exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
But do your parents give you a check book? Here's
a checkbook?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Do all schools do that? No? Is it something that's
regulated by the n cub A No, absolutely will it?
Will it be regulated by the n C double A
when they can put taxes on it, they can make
the piece. Yeah, when they can get their touch. But
n C double you find a way to get they
cut of course. Man. They tried to tell us my
first year that like any deal, you get registered in
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this uh database. And I raised my hand. I said,
so what's gonna happen if we don't. The lady said, Uh,
they're still kind of figuring out what the repercussions are.
I said, so you I'm not going to tell you
what I'm making. Are you stupid? I was like, what
it makes sense? You want to tell you how much
money I'm bringing in?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So you got come on, there's a reason why you
want this list, baby, And I can't help you.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Ain't no way how much.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I don't know how much you I can't. I don't
even know how to read a contract. Uh. And then
look and then when you talk about you know the resources. Now,
for me, I was the you know, a high draft pick,
so there was already agents. We know, an agent game.
Everybody's reaching out and for me, I'm getting I'm getting knowledge.
I'm not going to steer away these relationships. I'm gonna learn.
I'm going to get everything I can. So when when
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the time came, I kind of already had a plan
on what I was gonna do. You know, I was
already a big fan of Lebron, big fan of you know,
the movement of n I L And when it happened,
it was like I was, I was ready for it. Luckily,
the first deal I did was with Phil Knight, and
it was like an n f T at the time.
So it was a space that he didn't know and
I didn't know. But we got people exactly. We got
people who were uh he had people that kind of
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showed me the way, and that was kind of that
first step, and then from there it was just like
plug and play.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Right when you're first in nil deal coming from a
man who mastered the business plan, come on and say
you're gonna take you you take five hundred grand or
have a sitting down with Jay Z. I'm gonna sit
down with Phil Knight.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, I'm gonna sit down. I'm still getting there. I
ain't gonna get five hundred but I'm gonna still make
something off of.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You know, man, we love we love that, all right.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So what was that transition like like from from college
to the NFL because pre n I L boys got
the league and had to figure out how to have
the you know, the fiduciary responsibility of the finances to
set aside and figure out your life or you sort
of figured it out in college, so that sort of
was was was it, you know, just neither here nor
there for you when you got to lead? So did
that make it easier for you the transition or because.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's just like more money.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It was definitely, it was definitely easier. I say, the
bad part the only it wasn't really bad, But I say,
the only hard part was that my taste got really
expensive faster than I would have hoped. So it wasn't
that I was a guy who's you know, nobody else
with you, you know, so it's not like I'm a
guy to go blow my money. But it's like, yo,
I might as well just eat the highest quality food
(27:34):
at the highest quality restaurants, at the highest quality you know,
Like it's just you realize, like, man, I can, so
why wouldn't I? You know, And in that part you
have to understand the time management. You know, people don't
really realize like, yeah, you get paid fifty million, forty million,
thirty million, but you still got thirty years left to live.
So it's like it's easy to go spend one thousand
(27:54):
dollars a day, fifteen two hundred, two thousand, one hundred
and ten thousand dollars every two weeks. But then it's like,
you know that's gonna run out.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Or it's good while I'm playing, but what happens beyond
after I'm playing I'm over here.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That was That was my idea. That's been That's been
my whole thing, where it's like, don't keep all my
eggs in one basket, continue to you know, be open
to longevity.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Basically, no, man, Hey, look look I put it like this.
My my rookie year, I probably didn't spend that thing.
I paid for my car cash and was like, this
is my money and I need it now, like I
don't know how much long I'm gonna play. But after
that my second year, I was like, I got to
diversify the portfolio. I need I need a rental property,
I need this, I need this, I need this. After
my fifty year, I was like, bro, I just want
to focus on football. And then I was like, I
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like somewhere around like that fifty or six years, I
was like, all right, some moves I've made, Like you know,
the first off season, I go to Vegas and you
have a Vegas weekend the professional way, you know what
I'm saying, like living, living, living or lavishly.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
After your first one, you start thinking like, yeah, I
don't know how many more times I can go to Vegas.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm not doing about again.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Hey, look I was thinking about the super Bowl being
because I'm like, yeah, I got one day. They getting
six hours out of me. I'm going I'm sure my
mama come with me.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
But literally I be like this.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I'm like I'll be I'd be running things off, you know,
off the fam. I'm like, hey, like, hey, bro, how
much you make a here? And I was like, hey,
would you do this? And he'd be like, hey, that's crazy.
If I hear like a hype response from him, yeah,
Like I use other people to ground me.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm like I'm like, hey, Mom, like, oh yeah, I
was thinking about you know, like.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
My secondar in league. I was like, I'm thinking about
this audi right. She's like, I don't even know what is.
I was like, Mama's one hundred eighty one hundred. I said, cool, okay,
bring me back to life. Bring me back to life.
You know, like you gotta have some some some sort
of browning situation.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, because you can get into the locker room and
you know, oh, keeping up with the Joneses, keeping up.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
With the Joneses. When you know your boy broke there
with the with the whatever that keys what big big
coming in.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You're like, I had the same tie for eleven years
and every year I'll be like, bro, like I'm two
models behind. I should I should go ahead? And that's
at some point why I rolled.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
It, Like what what iPhone do you have? Right now?
I have no clue what iPhone? I have no clueteen.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Fourteen, but it's got a crack in it, so the
fifteen is probably happening.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, that's gonna happen. But like once you get it,
it's just like we we upgrade because we can. But
then it's like, you know, you get to a point
where it's like man, oh, this is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Until until the phones starts slowing down on me. I'm
used rocket for My rule is like every.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Two or three years, so like yeah, two or three yeah,
but I got a crack in it, so like it's
gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It's sad because look, if you ask Cam ten years ago,
his phone had a crack in and he was taking
it down to the place on the corner getting it
fixed by one of the one of the places for
sixty bucks. Now he just get a whole phone up.
Ain't you done? Changed up? Can changed up? You? Boo?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Absolutely? Hey boom. There's some there's some things in life
you don't fight. Come on, I feel like I feel
like that one.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Hey, traveling, traveling is that one thing for me? Like
I may be tight, I mean a wad and a
lot of places in my life we travel. I'm here
to sleep, the best eat. The best commercial.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
The best commercial I've ever seen was why save during
your travel when you can save on your travel? I
was like, yeah, I would never want to be that
guy to have to save during the travel. I was
a great commercial. I was a great commercial.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Was there is there any place that you've traveled so
far that you like? Dangne?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I've done kind of my first year, I did like
a world tour. So I did, uh Dominican Republic first
I did, and then I went to where I go Jamaica.
Then I went to Africa. I went to South Africa.
Then I went to Hawaii. Then I went to US.
I went to Botswana. It's the city I went to.
(31:48):
I flew into Johannesburg and then like we drove about
five hours to a small country probably only holds like
I think a million people. It was called Botswana though,
and we drove through they say the caves or the
mountains where the first remains of humans were found, so
literally like, yeah, the first people walked the earth, we
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kind of drove past. So that was pretty dope. Uh.
And then this year I'm going to Spain, going to
trying to put something together Nigeria. I just did my
DNA test found out I was Nigerian. So I'm gonna
try to go out there and uh and go get
some knowledge and some you know history. Spain, Yes, span Yeah,
(32:32):
I'm go to Barcelona. Yeah, I'm gona go to Barcelona,
then go down to Uh. Uh, I'm gonna go to
I'm flying to Paris, go to Barcelona, stay in Paris
for a couple of days, go to Barcelona and then uh,
there's another place called something with an end, but it's
an island. Trying it my Mosque Modico.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
There's a few of them.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm gonna just simply say add in San Sebastian. San Sebastian,
it's right there by. If you finding in the France first, right,
it's right there. It's a connection area of France and
Spain on the Yeah, what is the Poconos, Poconese whatever mountains,
he's the worst. It's it's Basque country, but it's one
(33:15):
of the most beautiful spots that I think I've seen
the date, like think of think of a fire city
that meets like beach and whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
It is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Away Sebastian, Bill Bao San Sebastian. You gotta go to
a soccer game. It's this, Yeah, you gotta go check
you gotta check it out. Anyways, it's funny just to
hear you talking, like I've seen you talk before, you know,
pre draft whatever that was going through. But it's like
you talk well beyond your years, bro, and even this year,
it seems like you've become so sort of like a
vocal leader even.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
As a young kid.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Then I say kid, because you know, second year you
got to ten years, you got thirteen two. Hey bro,
that's that's sort of happened to me. Bro, Like my
second third year the league, all the old heads got
sort of pushed out when to another team, got paid
whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I looked around and I was like, from a rookie
to event, like was my life? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Like eh like that.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
So you know you talk about you just being like
a vocal leader early on in this stage, is it
you know? The is it the factors that contribute to
that is like your willingness to be that to step
into it, because I mean you still had up until
halfway through the season, you had Linnl Williams, you got
sexy Dexi over there. You know, you got some old heads.
But it seems like the more you talk, the more
you amped up. You came that spark for your defense.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So you know, I would say, first, you know, when
it talks about leadership is position first based off of quarterback,
running back, middle linebacker, safety, guys who you know kind
of are the focal points of the defense or of
the offense. So that's kind of the initial leadership role.
And then Dexter Lawrence obviously, who's the biggest guy you
know in the room, right, it makes no you know
(34:51):
when a guy. But then it comes to play, right,
And I think that's the big component that you learn
once you start to you you get into the league
that it's all about how much you contribute on the
field and if you're able to contribute on the field.
So even my first year, like you know, you want
to lead guys, but if you ain't making plays anybody listening,
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that's the truth behind it. So then once you know,
the second year comes and now it's like, okay, I'm
more of an instrument in the defense. You know, a
couple guys leave, a couple guys get traded. Now it's
like there are voids that have to be filled in
a team chemistry standpoint. You know, that's when you have
to make that decision where you know, are you going
to be that guy to step in? You know, And
it's tough because people think leadership is something that you
(35:35):
can choose. You know, it's not really something you choose.
It's something that your teammates kind of kind of revere
you as you know. So for me, I would say
that it was just learning how to be a leader.
You know, you think you know how to lead until
it's time to lead, right, and you think you have
everything figured out or you think you know what you're
doing until you get in adverse situations. So for me
(35:59):
man first year, you know, I think it was just
understanding the landscape, understanding where I fit in, understand it,
you know people. And then second year it was okay,
how can I help my teammates be their best selves? Right?
So you know, before every game, I'm asking Bobby, you know,
my oft the linebacker. I'm like, what do you need
for me for you to play your best? What? What?
What parts do you think I can support your vision,
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you know, as a leader of the team and be
a support on I.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Say, Bobby's last night because I've never tried.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay, exactly that was a
good and I never heard Okay, okay, that's a good.
I like that. I like that. I'm gonna have to
take that back to it. Yeah okay, ok But He's
He's definitely a true leader, and I think, you know,
when it comes to leadership, you have to kind of
emulate certain people. So I'm very blessed to have a
true leader, natural leader that I can you know, emulate
(36:50):
as far as off the field, as far as taking
care of your body, as far as watching film and
things like that to you know, continue to be a
vessel for other teammates, younger teammates coming in and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Facts. Man, Like I said, I love I love to
see the growth.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I'm like, I'm looking forward to your year three. What
are you looking forward to it? And your three?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Man? Honestly, I'm just I'm chasing these sacks. Man you know,
you know how that you know how that uns, but
you know how that feel to be to be in
the hunt. You know, it's it's it's a great feeling
because it's always a new challenge. But that's where I'm at.
You know, obviously it's going in my third year. Third
years year for renegotiations if you're one of those guys, right,
(37:28):
if you're one of the ones. So for me, you know,
Michael Strahan said one great thing to me, seriously, he
said one great to me. Think to me when I
got in the lead. He said, you know, it's easy
to be one of the eleven guys on the field,
but you want to be the one out of the eleven.
And that's that, that's that difference. So that's kind of
what I'm working on this year.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Shout out, Mike, Come on, Mike, Mike, friend that money.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Man, Mike straight ahead. Definitely he's a grow up. Watching
that man, I was like, I want to be like him.
And then I realized, I was like, man, I'm too eighty.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Five, and this is even so, this is even surreal
because I was looking at you like that. Now we're
sitting here on the podcast, were sitting here in the
league together and though for real, it's amazing. I remember
you were talking about it was one. It was really
you and von Miller are two guys that I've always
looked at, just on a vocal standpoint of people who
you know are going to give their tips in pass rush.
But you talk about you know, I think you said
(38:19):
you had something where you like, if you do if
you go fast with bad technique, you're okay. If you
go fast with good technique, you're doing great. But if
you go slow with bad technique, you're gonna be on
the bench somewhere. You said something like that, and that
stuck with me Like that, that stuck with me. That
was something that that I've taken. And then you know,
obviously there there are gems that other, you know, guys
(38:39):
like you have been dropping, and it's just up to
the younger guys to keep you know, using those gems
and implement them into your game.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Man, I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Look, I learned I learned that one early earlier the
your thing because my rookie year, I was out there
like all right, well I got to play the run.
I gotta have this technique. But if you move slow
even if it's the right answer, you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Don't matter, you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
But if you move fast and you'd be like you
it's a b and you missed the wrong one, you
can still be in a right spot.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And you think about a guy like you think about
a guy like Max Crosby, and you know he's a
guy who right now is the epitome of you. Just
do it hard, do it fast. Everything's gonna work out.
He has This is no not to him. He has
one move. That swipe is the most dangerous move I've
ever seen a human. Dude.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
He's got to counterspin too. His his swipe is stupid.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But how many guys are gonna keep getting got with
the swipe?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
How many guys are gonna keep getting got with the
long arm? How many guys gonna keep getting got with
a swim? Look, when you perfect your craft, it doesn't
matter about them. I said this early and often, an
office a lineman is just office a lineman. I'm now
rushing against the quarterback because I need to know how
fast he's releasing the ball because off the lineman their cattle.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
There's gonna be strong. There's gonna be strong ones.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
But whatever I never swiped till I saw Max Crosby
get like thirteen sacks off all swipes. Then I was like,
you know what, I was like, something I need to
figure out. I gotta figure it out. And then he
just plays hard. Man. When you play hard and you
play every snap, dude, you reap the benefits of it.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Absolutely. I was hoping you're going to say, hey, I'm
evolving to a killer run stopper, but.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
You know what, I get it age that's the no, no, no, see,
don't overlook the run. That is the difference to me
between a lot of pass rushers out there and let's
say four down football players. I told myself and I
came in sleep, I'm be a four down guy. I'm
not the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, not the
strongest guy, but I'm going to be trustworthy on first
(40:32):
down all the way to fourth. So when you talk
about run stop and you talk about things like that,
like that's you can't even rush the passer unless you
set in edge.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You got, I'm like, hey, I'll be waiting for the
move on my way. In fact, y'all think I was.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I think I was damaged by then the whole Hiko
Aloyd goes like, all I could do is stop the run.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Look, look the cold the coldest thing is when you
see guys like and to me, I was. I came
out of a system in college where it was like
there was no jumping around blocks to make a play right.
And it's like when you're in the league, though, it's like,
you know, you almost get frustrated a little bit because
it's like, Yo, all these guys are making these tackles
for losses and they're jumping.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Around blocks, and I've been a sea gap and here
you are.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I'm like, but and it's like me, you will, you
take it, you make it. And it's like you start
to realize that when you are a guy who has
the instinct and you have the trust within your coaches,
it's like you gotta go play big and make big plays.
And you know, I always think of a guy like
t J. Watts. TJ wat go to the casino one
time you go, you TJ Wyt get twenty sacks and
(41:36):
he's gonna get ten tackles for losses because he gonna
jump them. He's gonna take it, he gonna he gonna
play his game, and it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
He knows his body type, and he's like, look, what
I'm not here gonna do is is set the edge
every time against somebody who outweys me by eighty to
ninety bounds. But what I can do is give you
all this movement. Oh, I can shoot up the field.
Oh and now you now you're nervous, and now I'm underneath.
And he also has got huge interior y linement like
across the board. But you know, but shoot, I appreciate you, bro.
(42:03):
I'm gonna wrap this up real quick. Bro, I appreciate
you tapping in with with with me on my podcast
Off the Edge. Bro, I see nothing but great things
going for you. So you know, if you have eleven
sacks this year, but I try and tell people, don't
worry about the sacks. Worry about your process because the
sacks are going to come. And I mean your process.
You already built the process. So just keep on believing
and keep on striving for greatness.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Thank you, Thank you for having me. I appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Man appreciate my guy Caveon coming on the pod, you know,
blessing us with his personality.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I think that you know, as a young bull, he
out there sort of leading to charge him. Guys like
Aiden Hutchinson, these young talented past rushers, uh you know
Nick Bose, I guess still technically young, Chase Young. The
league is in good hands right now, you know, George
call offtic but beyond just being a pass rusher, it's
it's great to see their personality off the field. And
(42:58):
so at this point, you know, speaking of off the field,
I want to go through, you know, a New Orleans
current event that's definitely heavy on my mind and my heart.
So we're gonna get We're gonna we're gonna talk about
what happened between you know, New Orleans Saints New Orleans
this week with my guy Will Smith's shooter Cardelles. Earlier
(43:26):
this last week, a guy by the name of Cardele
Cardel Hayes, a New Orleanian who murdered teammate Will Smith
of mine years back, was given a verdict reached upon
by the jury where you.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Know, he was sentenced to what is it, up to
forty years in jail.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I mean he shot somebody in the back eight times.
You know, it was a road rage incident gone wrong,
and it destroyed multiple families. You figure Will Smith's side.
You know, he had he left the world too soon
in his thirties, left the wife, you know, left three kids.
I mean, that's three kids that are growing up with
(44:07):
that the father. Because a man got upset that he
thought he was tapped in the back, or maybe he
was tapped in the back, but either way, it was
an incident that just went awry.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
If you guys don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Will Smith was a defensive en former of the New
Orleans Saints for nine seasons I do believe then I
think a ten season maybe with the Patriots, and was
my og when I first came in. Somewhere in there
in his retirement, you know, he had an accident that
happened in the night, him, his wife, two other people
in a car bumped into possibly bumped into that. I
(44:40):
think that's what the main action was was Cardil Hayes
had felt like Will Smith had tapped into his car
some long lines seen tape video, whatever it is, but
didn't address it properly, and Cardille Hayes.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Goes off into a chase after will Smith.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
They then somewhere catch up to each other because there's
an altercation that happens. Words are said, Will Smith is
going back to his car. Cardil Hayes says he was
fearing for his life and shot this, you know, shot
at my teammate and then his back eight times, ended
up shooting the wife time or two. Just messy on
(45:18):
all accounts, and you try not to be affected by it,
but you always are. I mean, somebodys in their thirties
to be murdered out in the streets of New Orleans
and what I'm sure one side will say is self
defense somehow and the other side would say murder. And
(45:39):
how you can only pray that God sorts it all
out at the end of the day, because that's that's
that's a that's a deal. I mean, shout out to
Smith family for being rock solid. You know, I think,
I don't think you know, the oldest son, Will Smith Junior,
is over at Ohio State as a d lineman, following
his father's footsteps. You know, Winter is young button kid
(46:00):
in high school?
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Daughter? Is she like a senior now?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Like the whole family's grown, Like we've witnessed these kids
grow up for real, for real, so I know that
they're affected. And then of course Cardell Hayes is the
New Orleanians who had tried out for the Saints. So
for him to you know, say he didn't know who
will Smith was. Yeah, all right, now say the New
Orleans lives breeze and eats and sleeps and drinks football,
(46:25):
he knew who he was. But you know that's neither
here nor they're the altercation leveled up to a whole
other spot, you know. So his family's affected, of course,
I'm sure I think he has some kids. He's clearly
got outspoken, you know, family relatives that are fighting for
is just for for his side.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Where there's going to be hurt.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
There's always gonna be people who think they're on the
right side or whatever it is. Again, I'm gonna leave
that that to the jury and the Jesus to figure
that one out because I do not know the intricate
delicacies of that one.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
And that's our show man. I appreciate y'all for.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Tuning in, not even just like this week, let's just
be real. I appreciate everybody who's tapping in with me
on the pod. Off the edge of the podcast, you know,
yours truly going through the gambit of emotions week to week,
through the games of the Highs and lows sitting here.
Over the next couple of weeks, we'll be heading into
Super Bowl week. Just shout out to y'all the listeners
(47:28):
for tapping in with me. So if anything, tell your teammates,
tell your compatriots.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
About the pod. Spread it around.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You know, we're international out here, you know, from from
Africa to America. Let them know, you know, off the
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To the pod. Leave us a five star rating, leave
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Speaker 1 (48:00):
There's the podcast.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
I appreciate y' all. Major blessings, big vibes, levels to everything.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Peace,
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