EP #18: A busy news day on the latest Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. Cam reacts to news of the Saints firing offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael plus two other offensive coaches. He also salutes Eagles center Jason Kelce who, reportedly, has told teammates he will retire after 13 NFL seasons. Cam is then joined by his teammate, linebacker Demario Davis. Cam gives Demario his flowers for making the All-Pro team for the fifth time in his career. Demario shares how he’s still training as if he’ll play in the Super Bowl even though the Saints season is over. He also delves into his fandom of LeBron James, and how he uses James as motivation for why he plans to play another four to five years. Demario reflects on his transformation from being burned out and on the brink of retirement at 27 to becoming a perineal All-Pro in his thirties. And, even though he’s made a name for himself as an NFL star, Demario explains why his legacy will extend beyond the gridiron. Cam ends the show by picking his personal All-Pro defensive team.
00:00 - Start of show
00:11 - Cam teases what’s to come on the episode
00:45 - Cam reacts to Saints coaching moves
3:10 - Cam reacts to Jason Kelce telling teammates he will retire
5:24 - Cam’s big takeaways from each playoff game
15:16 - Start of Demario Davis interview
16:20- Demario’s reaction to the news about the Saints coaches getting fired
18:44- Demario on how he’s spending his first week of off-season
20:25 - Demario on his plans to play 4-5 more years
21:10- Demario’s revelation
23:20 -Demario reflects on a conversation he had with God before almost retiring in 2016
27:09 - Demario on how the term “Hybreed” came about
29:43 - Demario on how their loss against the Packers in week 3 slowed their momentum
34:22 - Demario on the lasting impact of playing alongside players like Darrelle Revis, David Harris, and Antonio Cromartie his rookie year
37:47 - Demario on the Saints' defense having several seasoned vets and the hurdles that come with different communication styles between different generations
49:22 - Demario on balancing football and faith and how he ultimately wants to be remembered
53:15 - End of Demario Davis interview
53:32 - Cam picks his personal All-Pro defensive team.
57:30 - Cam closes the show
58:31 - end of show
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Here we go, Episode eighteen, Cam Jordan, Off the Edge
of the podcast. I appreciate y'all tuning in on this episode.
We're gonna talk about Saints coaching moves, there's a few
of them. We're gonna talk about Jason Kelcey and his retirement,
and then we're gonna talk about, you know, the Super
Wildcard weekend. And I mean, once you're in the dance,
(00:25):
anybody can get it, as you saw this past weekend.
Of course, then I'm bringing my guy, my dog, you know,
man of God, the hero, the leader, the linebacker, the
All Pro tomorrow Davis. So stick with me. Here we
go on Off the Edge with me, your host, Cam Jordan.
Let's start this off. I mean I wake up this
(00:47):
morning and I sort of scroll through the Twitter feed,
you know, so just picking up news. I'm not sure why,
Like I guess, you know, my dad's age, they had newspapers.
I'm going through the Twitter feed, like, all right, what's
pertinent from meet you know, the Saints. That was going
on with AK, that's going on with DC Derek Carr,
or what's going on you know with DA Dennis Allen,
(01:08):
whatever whatever that is, you know, just quickly scrolling, and
I see that. We ended up letting go Pete Carmichael,
who's been a part of the Saints for the last
eighteen seasons, you know, fifteen as a OC for the
New Orleans Saints. It's tough to see somebody go. I
know there was a lot of shade thrown Pete's way
over the last year or two about being more aggressive
(01:30):
with the play calls. But he was a mad scientist,
you know, when his plays worked. There was a reason
why him and Sean Payton made a lot of special
moments happen over the years. There was times where it
just seemed like everything was clicking. In the last couple
of years, things haven't been clicking. Three years with no playoffs.
I guess it's time to change, and so let go
Pete Carmichael. Let go assistant offensive senior offensive offensive assistant
(01:55):
Bob Bicknill. And then one that I didn't see for
real coming was a wide receiver coach Cody Burns. I
was like, man like, I was like, I thought Cody
he was been here for the last two years, you know,
so you say, Chris o'lave two years, thousand yards of piece.
I thought he was doing something got a Mashishi heat.
I didn't see that one coming, you know. And then
(02:16):
in the same situation there was you know, lateral movement.
You had a running back coach that's been here forever,
Joel Thomas go over to the New York Giants who
probably won't have se Kwan Barkley next year, where we'll
still have the most one of the most talented running
backs in the game. Ak. Yeah, So the things happen
this morning, and I'm still perplexed about two of those moves.
(02:40):
You know, I was like Joe, all right, good for
him that he's going, but you know you're fired. You
just went lateral, okay. And then of course, you know Cody,
I was like young receiver coach with young receivers with
a lot of potential. And you know, Rashishi he was
a pro bowler. I'll be it on special team side.
He was still you know, the need for speed, you know,
for she she So it just is what it is.
(03:03):
In this business. It's a game of winning, and you
know when you don't win, things have to shake, all right.
So you know, we're taking this on a Tuesday night,
and as of now, reports are that the Eagle center.
Jason Kelsey told his teammates after the loss that he
plans to retire. We'll see if he changes his mind.
(03:24):
I'm sure you know a Star Wars center like Jason Kelcey.
I mean that that's somebody you probably can't let go.
If you see that super Bowl window, super Bowl window
so alive last year's Super Bowl. They lose this year,
you know, first round exit, but that's just it. That's
still the playoffs. There's still chances. As long as you're
in the dance, you have a chance. Think about Jason
Kelcey probably a future Hall of Famer, and that's just
(03:45):
not because he's a you know, twenty eleven draft pick,
coming from the sixth round, the depths of the of
the rounds. But he's a seven time Pro Bowler, six
time first team All Pro, a Super Bowl champ. You know,
he had the gester, he had the fire speech. Philly
still talks about that fiery speech. You know, if the
Kelsey brothers are no for anything, it's that after they
(04:05):
win a super Bowl, they talk about that good stuff
while they got the mic in their hand. I mean,
if Jason Kelsey calls it a career, what a career?
Thirteen years in the sixth round. Nobody really sees you
going that far. And there he is, you know, super
Bowl champion. There he is at thirteen years. There he
is a seven time pro bowler in the NFC when
there was some great centers for a long time, and
(04:26):
he's clearly one of the best ones. I mean, center
does a lot with the communication with quarterbacks. And he
had a couple at Helm. You know, Nick Foles as
Super Bowl champion, he had Carson Wentz, talk about Jalen Hurts,
he might even Yeah, he definitely had Mike Vick over there.
Man's that's legendary to begin with, Ansime, you mentioned Mike Vick.
(04:47):
I just assume it's legendary. You know, he's been he
was undersized. Anytime we'd have the scouts come in and
give us those dots, those hey man, this guy's this
guy's a smart guy. This guy's you know, intelligent. They'd
hit him with all that, but they didn't say, Hey,
he's crafty with his work. He switches up his sets,
he put he's a guy who can id the defense,
(05:08):
you know. So he's everything that you would in the center,
and it showed out. So if it's his last playing day.
Salute man the game be sad to see you go,
but maybe he as an opposing defensive lineman. I'm just
gonna say salute and let you ride off to the sunset.
This section, we're gonna talk about one big takeaway from
each playoff game. You know, let's just get into it
(05:29):
and talk about this first game, the Packers beating the
Cowboys forty eight to thirty two. On the fake Love
zips it in there, it's caught for the touchdown. Romeo
tops and the route is on and tell us, wow,
(05:50):
M I mean, this is a game that I stopped
watching right before halftime. I didn't know the Packers want
to convincingly beat the Cowboys like that. I just felt like,
like Dak is clear cut better quarterback, been playing his
butt off the whole year. Jordan Love was abysmal at
the beginning of the year when we played them. They
ended up beating US seventeen to eighteen, and I was,
(06:12):
I'm styling, still sort of sick about it. I'm not
going to drop the embarrassed word, but like I was, like,
this kid has a lot to figure out, and he
figured it out by the end of the year. He
was playing really really well, you know. Uh, and clearly
now he's in playoff and he's in playoff form for
them to go forty eight thirty two, it really was
like forty eight sixteen somewhere in that fourth quarter. It
was a convincing win. Yeah, Jordan, if he's playing the
(06:34):
way he did this past weekend, you can see him
going deep into the playoffs. Now how deep, but for
his first year at Helm, that's what you'd like to
see as a as a as a franchise. Our second game,
I'm gonna talk about the Lions beating the Rams twenty
four to twenty three five Still timeout Rams one fifty
(06:59):
two game is not over yet, so it's very very close.
Almon Ross, Saint Brown brother Equadnamious. That being said, we're
gonna talk about First of all, he came in with
blue hair. He went super saying god for you know,
he was going crazy Detroit blue. Whatever you want to
(07:21):
call what he did to his hair. But I mean,
let's just take away. Chauncey Gardner Johnson aka Doosey Safety
comes in you had you know, been hurt, comes in
active in the playoff game, shows up big with the
with the game sealing interception. Come on, that's my dog.
Chauncey Defense came to play. Offense, came to play Jared Goff,
Go Bears beats mass evert it was the quarterback swap.
(07:43):
It was a lot of hype around this game and
it was probably the only Wild Card game that didn't disappoint.
Like this was electric the whole way through. You had
to watch this game. Well, you know, we could we
could talk about how the next game where the Eagles,
you know, the night before watched the Packers beat the Cowboys.
They go into the Bucks and I'm like, all right,
that's a clear cut advantage the Eagles. We're ten and one,
(08:05):
begin with finish you know, one and five, and it
sort of bit them in the butt. You know you
figure Bucks finished strong the last you know, their last
game against Carolina. I guess gave him some confidence and
peaked at the right time heading into the playoffs. He
just convincingly beat the Eagles. Toush push did not work,
but I did not see coming. You know, shout out
(08:29):
to my guy Darius Slay, big play sleigh. Hope he
you know, hope he's okay. Anytime there's an injury, you
hate you hate to see it, which leads us to
our fourth game, the Texans beating the Browns. Play action
for Stroud, good protection, loads.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It up, fires down the field, excellent touch.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Perfectly delivered, touchdown the tun Shutz.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Stroud strikes again for thirty seven.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yards with the mobile quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Like c J.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Stroud you saw, you know, when we played the same
I saw how they've tried to work off their runs,
their play actions, and it seemingly was working versus the
Browns and Joe Flack of the way he fit came
to the Browns and finish. I thought there was gonna
be short up of a battle there. It was not.
Forty five to fourteen tells me everything I need to know.
Texas Texans a real deal. Will Anderson, you know, Sheldon Rankins,
(09:20):
You've got a whole gambit of players out there. C J.
Stroud on the office side, man Demiica Ryans is leading
the team, and I think that's gonna be one of
them to beat. We'll see what happens, which leads us
to our fifth game, you know, our fifth game being
the Chiefs beating the Dolphins across nice springs it in
(09:42):
touchdown Kansas City what can you say about this? This
game was a super cold game. I didn't like it
For the Miami Dolphins. I was like, yo, this is
a hot weather team. Shared they played the Jets, Share
they played the Bills, but like they've also put together
a great season to play the Chiefs and have to
play them there. It was like negative what twenty five?
(10:05):
Negative thirty? It was disgusting. It was so cold. I like,
it's not a game that you get excited for when
it's that cold. You know it's gonna be a run game,
or it's gonna be a ground and pound type game,
when of those dirty in between the lineman type games,
Like it's gonna be better running. And I was like,
all right, maybe that even is a playing field for
the Chiefs. And then Mahomes came out there tossing that
(10:27):
tater you know, through through the ball forty forty one times.
I was like, well, there goes that ground pound. I
was thinking, Nah, that's out of there. Well he's playoff
p What do you do against Patrick Mahomes? You know,
I think Tua had a great season. Well, you're going
against a guy who's been the Super Bowl multiple times,
who's won won the Super Bowl multiple times and it's
only like six or seven years in the league. You
(10:49):
gotta bring a you gotta bring you a one. Miami
was a little cold, the mandstreets couldn't stretch out like
they wanted to. The Chiefs took advantage the Dolphins twenty
sixty seven. That was that which leads us too. Somewhere
in that game, Pat Mahomes helmet cracked.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It was so cold.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It wasn't like it was an electric kit. You're like, ooh, dang,
that's a crazy hit. That was a great form, great hit,
But the helmet cracks ain't my mind. Nobody should play
a game if it's negative anything. When it gets to
the twenties and thirties, teams should like be like, we
should be demanding as players as much as you know,
as players unify against turf. It should be those negative
(11:26):
thirty degree games or those games where it's twenty degrees
raining and windshield like these these games that are affecting
what people came to see. My Best eleven version of
your Best eleven. I just feel like it affects the game,
you know, it switches things up. Pat's helmet cracked, Peace
flew off chip, what are we doing out there? No, no,
(11:47):
don't don't don't say it was a helmet that's cold
negative something helmet froze. We had a freeze over last
night in New Orleans and I saw ice on the
on the windshield. I don't even know how to get
that off. I'm a warm wether person. I was like,
what do you pour water on? Know? That's dumb, you know,
like you probably freeze over. I didn't even know what
to do. I had to go get a book to
scrape it off because I don't have one of those
scraper things that I've seen in videos. I had to
(12:07):
figure that out of mom negative negative whatever it was
at Kent City clearly helped him out versus Dolphins, and
you know Pat Mahomes playoff pete which leads us to
our final game the Bills versus Steelers, second and nine
rust the middle, surefield was not that I was Shakir,
(12:28):
not down inside the town. Oh what it effort, but
playing the night Khalil Sakir broke.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Away from the all people.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Mika Fetchpatrick, Honestly, for the games, I did tune in.
I didn't really tune in on this one because I
just figured you know the Bills used to the cold
playing the Steelers, who their quarterback highlight would be Miles
Garrett chasing after him. Anyways, and I think I think
the Steelers have a great defense, but Bills were an
(13:01):
all fours, but a better team offense, defense, special teams.
And it showed they came to play. They brought their
a one game. Man, there's a reason why they're on
to the next stage. At that note, I'm sort of
looking forward to the next you know, to the next round.
You say, everybody's been talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes,
you know, them facing off Josh Allen a regular season
three three to one versus the Kansas City Chiefs and
(13:24):
Pat Mahomes. And then you'd also say, in the playoffs,
no success versus Pat Mahomes, Pat Mahome, boy, Josh Allen
going at it. It might be time for switch switch up.
You know, maybe he's three on one Pat Mahomes versus
Josh Allen by this time next week. So one in
three sounds pretty good. If it's the current one, I
don't know. I'm looking for. If the world's gonna say
(13:46):
Kansas City, I'm looking for upset alert. If the world gone,
Bills probably gonna rock with the world. Von Miller coming
off the edge and he's you know healthy, get you know,
back to being himself at the right time when the
team needs them. Aj Epanessa, you got you know, big
Ed Oliver down low, Greg Russeau on defense. I might
(14:07):
have to tilt to the Bill's defensive side for the win.
All right, So up next, I'm gonna bring in my
guy Tomorrow Davis. We're gonna wrap about everything that's supposed
to be, you know, the team, where the team stands now,
you know how he plays at such a high level.
Amazing man, a guy that you know, we've gone on
(14:29):
a family vacation with. I've got four kids. He makes
me feel like I don't have enough kids. But a
man of God, you know, a guy who takes his
face seriously. Coming from junior college, going to the Arkansas State,
being led into being drafted by the Jets, ends up
with the Browns where everybody disappears at that time, and
(14:50):
then goes back to the Jets to then come to
Nororlean Saints. My teammate, my dog, the Mario Davis, All
Pro Pro bowler, every accolade that you could think of
when we come back stick with us. I appreciate you
(15:17):
tapping in. This is off the edge with Cam Jordan.
I get to bring to you my guy, my dog,
probably probably my ace on the team, like this year,
like if I'm gonna talk to somebody, it's gonna be
this dude. If I'm gonna need you know, if I
need help, it's gonna be this guy. And if he
needs to come talk to my d line he can't
talk to me. There's an open line of communication with
my guy, Tomorrow Davis, All Pro, five time All Pro Tomorrow, Like,
(15:39):
let's not be light on that five time All Pro
only got one pro bo, which is not adding up,
like the talent and the way that Tomorrow Davis's name
holds in the NFL is still only one pro bo
so far, maybe two this maybe two this year. But
like for sure he should be a multiple, multiple time
pro bowler. He's a multiple multiple All Pro double d.
Appreciate you for happened in my guy.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
My God actually having me all man then is all mine.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Man. Let's let's just let's talk about this. You and
you keep up to date, like if anybody keeps up
to date with the Saints and what's going on in
the NFL. It's you like a student of the game,
a master of a lot. You know, when we talk
about current events, you're usually up to par since you've
heard you've heard the news. As of today, we've had
some we've had some coaches let go, how you feeling
(16:27):
like it's all offensive side? But a couple of them gone, I.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Mean, it's it's it's it's the business. It's the business
of the game. You know, it's tough because it's a
reminder that we dropped the ball as a whole. Like,
what you want to happen is to have success, and
everybody's getting promoted, which we've seen have success. Other guys
(16:52):
go get big time jobs and now they win and
playoff games. That's what you want to be. You want
to be in the sweet spot. Guys getting contracts, guys
uh you know, going getting resigned, Guys going to other
teams getting getting paid, which has been our experience in
(17:13):
the past. But when you have an off season like
this because of multiple years not getting it done, and
now there's man, it's mandatory that something has to change,
and who is that gonna be? Man, it's gonna look
different on the roster. From the players side, it's gonna
look different from the coaching side. And it's just a
reminder that we dropped the ball as a whole. I mean,
(17:36):
at any point when you don't get it done, somebody's
gonna be the one that has to fall on the
sword or be the scapegoat. And and and we're seeing
that it's happening. I think this is the beginning of
that attempt to make a change or that attempt to
something has to be done. And it's unfortunate, you know,
(17:59):
like uh, you know, Pete, Bob Cody, my.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Guy Joel Thomas went to the Giants, Joe I fired,
but just like just like ladder movement, and I'm not
even thinking lad it was like going to like let's
let's keep that a b you know, like when when
officer guys go, I mean I had, I was like,
what I said, what did Bob do? What Pete?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
It's like, I guess they felt like he was gonna
be a mold or something.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Man if I got rid of gotta gotta get rid
of his man's Okay, Okay, that makes sense, all right, man,
I'm sorry I had like that was just off my mind.
First question I asked, but this week off? How you living? Man? Like?
What what's your first week of off season? Off? Is
it off season?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Is it the same every year? How do you process
the end of a season into off season? Because that
dynamic changes for you tremendously. For me, I just go
back to the you're back in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, that's the career for me now. I think every
year is different. I traditionally keep the same framework, but
it's a season by season thing just because of the
emotional part. So as for me, like I'll keep training.
I'll stay doing my recovery regimen all the way through
the Super Bowl, like I trained specifically so my body
(19:25):
is ready for this time of year. And so it's
like I'm like a I'm like a Ferrari just sitting
in the garage right now, Like I'm meant to be
on the road going fast right now, Like That's what
I'm trained for. And so it's disappointing when we're not
doing it because my body feels fresh, it feels like
like I can go and I'm throwing my kids up.
(19:46):
It ain't like I'm in shutdown mode or tired mode,
like I'm out playing in the snow with my kids
earlier to day, like running around, my legs feel fresh,
and I'm like, outside, yeah, it's it got like seven
eight inches. I heard that's why my.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Hot hot seven eight. Bro, that's disgusting. I do not
just like that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And the horrible part is is the dry snow so
like you can't even make a snowball or a snowman,
like you just pick it up and it just crumbles
in your hands. So I keep training all the way through,
but I processed different. So it just depends on like
where I'm emotion and I think, you know, at this
just finished my twelfth season, thirty, just turned thirty five
(20:30):
years old, have a comp a lot in the game,
and now it's where where do I want to go?
And so's now it's man, I want to process. My
goal is to do forty five more like that's a goal. Yeah,
you said you.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And you said that earlier this year for the first time,
and I looked at you because we've talked about it
over the years. You're like, I don't know how many
more left? And I was like, bro, what you mean
you're not playing at such a high level? What are
you talking about no man, And I was like, oh,
all right, and this year you hit me with the
forty five more so, oh, I love to hear You're like,
(21:07):
what brought you to that?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
There was a revelation, man, it was a revelation. Man.
My favorite player in the NBA is Lebron, of course,
and I've tracked him my whole life. I mean his
whole career. I've tracked him. I can give you almost
every statistic, every playoff game like. But now I have
(21:29):
a reason to track him, Like it was like, I
want to play two years after Lebron finished, and I'm
just so mesmerized by his longevity, his durability. He's still
playing at a high level, though they team not doing
as good as good as my team. Okay, see, let's
make sure we have clarity there. The Lakers beat us
(21:49):
the other night. But I admire his longevity, his durability
is his constant being at the top of his game.
But last year he led the league in past broad points.
Who does at thirty seven, thirty eight years old? And
I'm like, man, if you running and jumping with these
young boys is coming in the league, I don't have
no excuse being I'm four years younger than him, and
(22:12):
so I'm like, well, Bron probably gonna play two more years.
We know he want to play with Ronnie. And so
if I say I want to be in the game
two years after he's done, they give me fourty five
more years. And so I just just give me a
rabbit to chase. When I have a rabbit, it makes me,
it makes me go. And so I got a gold
in mine and it's just rejuvenated.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I was like, I'm not gonna lie to you. I
was be wondering because I said, what so you not
even changed somebody like like lateral in your position? You like, nah,
I see the greatest of all time, Lebron. So I'm
gonna outplay. I'm gonna outlay his longevity. That's crazy to
think about. Forty five years. Gonna put you in like
year sixteen, seventeen. I love that for you. I'm gonna
watch you. I'm gonna watch you know year fifteen.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Come on, bro, come on out.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
W I told you this revelation of mine I had
two years ago.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I was here to push you.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Hey, I love you. My body God knows, God know you.
My man's it's gonna take it's gonna take Wifey to
say a lot for me to come back after year
fifteen because I love I love football, and I'm willing to
give it by all fifteen is gonna be the mental
the mental hurdle that we'll talk about later. Let's just
talk about, you know, not even just the long jetsy
been playing, but at the high level you've been playing.
Like you didn't even hit your first All Pro till
(23:25):
you turned thirty. You was at the New Orleans Saints.
You you know, you were from the Jets, where you know,
you would say it's a heavy market, you know, one
of those those marketing places that all you have to
do is be semi quasi, you know, explosive, stand out
on the field, and you're gonna get your accolade immediately,
you know, to be I don't know, I still don't
know how you went why or how you went to
(23:46):
the Browns back to the Jets, but then you came
to New Orleans and you've played your best football. It
just is what it is. Five All pros gives you
direct access, and it's hard to make All Pro, especially
in the Saints, like it's a hard market to excel
it in terms of the eyes and terms of the accolades,
whatever comes, you have to earn it, and you've you've
done all of that. Like I said, so five pro
but like five all pros? How did you like, how
(24:08):
did you reflect on reaching this milestone, because there's I
think there's only like four or five Sames players that
ever reached five All pros.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
In general, I think it goes back to twenty sixteen
me and a conversation, a conversation that I had with God.
I was ready to retire in twenty sixteen, my year
one year with the Browns. I feel like, you know,
playing with the Browns when they was the Browns that
I was on and to make anybody want to retire.
(24:34):
But man, I was ready to throw it in. I
didn't have I didn't have the mindset to change greatness
no more. My body was hurting and I went into
my pre clauset. Man I just said, God, I'm done,
I'm finished. But I knew he wasn't done with me yet.
So it was like I was throwing in the towel,
just like, if you don't want me to do more,
you wanna have to do it. I was like, God,
you got to rejuvenate my mind. You got to rejuven
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in my body. And I literally prayed that, and it
was like I heard an audible of God just say like,
thank you for throwing in the town. I got it
from here, and don't forget that you threw in the town.
That's why I tell that story so often, because I can't.
I have to give credit to what it's due. And slowly,
but surely, man, I just started training different and I
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found a way to be more efficient in my game. Now.
I've been always been doing the numbers, go back to
my second year, my early years with the Jets, I
was always doing one hundred tackles. I was always doing
three to four sacks. I was doing the numbers, but
my game was just sloppy. Plus I was with the
Jets twenty seventeen. After that moment, I come back, and
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not only do I got the production, I got the
efficiency to match. So I'm not missing as many tackles.
I'm not getting beatn coverage. You know, I'm making my
plays in the backfield versus you know, three or four
yards down the line, down the field. Just cleaning my
game up a lot. And that was problem. Statistically, one
of my best seasons, but the same time I was
with the Jets and nobody saw it. Fast forward twenty eighteen.
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I come to the Saints and we go to the
conference championship game. I'm doing the same thing, but everybody
sees it, and now it's welcome to is welcome to
the NFL per se?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I kind of to me, Welcome to the NFL. Welcome
to the NFL. Twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, because twenty seventeen was really like my rookie season
because after that humbling moment, there was a new that
was a new beast that was awake and that was retroduceable.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, and so twenty seventeen twenty eighteen was kind of that,
you know, putting it on display. They might have thought
twenty seventeen was a fluke, and I did it again
in twenty eighteen, and then when it happened in twenty nineteen,
we didn't go as far as the team, but the
production was still there. And I think that's when the
Notarioty game and since then it just hasn't been no
drop off. I think they thought because it was thirty
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that there was going to be drop off, but there wasn't.
But I think it's because I'm running on something different
and it's the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
We're not going to just run through like that was
a time where you know, Man of God, I come
to the house and now he got the Man of
God headband on there. I said, that's how you know
it's official when everybody in the house body. When did
high breed come come about?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Man? Hybrid probably came in my training in twenty nineteen,
I believe, so twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, my goal was
just to be the best linebackers in the league. But
twenty nineteen, I believe it was just a lot of
linebackers that was in that conversation, and so it was
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Bobby Wagner, I think Fred was on the scene. Then
twenty twenty you had guys like Shaq Leonard in that
conversation of David Dead or White started jumping into conversation.
So it was a lot of people. And if you see,
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it's always this best linebacker conversation, who's the best linebacker?
And so for me it became him about differentiation and
what is What was differentiation for me was it's a
lot of hybrid players in the league, and a hybrid
is someone who can kind of be a twiner. Right,
you have a guy who can be a D lineman,
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but he can be also outside linebacker. You have uh
a safety slash nickel or nickel slash corner. You know,
Uh that Simmons guy that got drafted, Uh that was
playing a Z I think he's a different team now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
He was a high Yeah he's never at the Giants
now yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah. And UH with the hybrid was like, I feel
like I can go into a game and play one
position and dominate on all three levels. Like I feel
like they can put me in the game and safety
and I'd be a great box safety. Like I know
all the coverages. I know how to come up and fit.
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I can cover one on one on tight ends or
running back that get put out at number two every
now and then if it's a slide, I can I
can handle that. At the same time, I can go
and play the defensive line. I feel like I can
be on the edge all game, whish they did for
us one time we played the Rams. I just had
to sit out there on the edge and ain't gonna
talk about that game. But I can.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It's difficut on the edge. Now we gotta hold that
hold the edge.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I got respect for all positions. I'm not trying to
say that, but that's what I feel like when I'm
saying high Breed is like I can truly I'm not
like a twer. I can play a line back, I
can play defensive line and I can play.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
D B for not a high brid high Breed like built.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Different, Yes, sir different. It's like a transformer. I'm transforming
whatever you need.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Is there any game that this year that you you
saw as like the changing moving for our season? Like
I'm clearly going to say, you know, the Week three
matchup versus the Packers, right, because at that time we
talked about it. I was like we could take advantage
of Jordan Love like this is he's really a rookie
and you know that to me, we were up seventeen
oh and Lambeau was silent. Could hear me snap fingers,
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you know, in the middle of the field to the sidelines,
quiet as hell? And then we ended up losing eighteen
to seventeen. Is there a game that you look back like,
how do we lose? Like? How did we do this?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
That was a tough game because we were looking to
put it all together, and you just think about like momentum.
I'm a big basketball fan. I feel like this is
one of the best sports where you can see momentum change.
And man, the momentum in that game and the way
it suck the air out of my season early on.
It was like it took us a minute to grapple
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after that because we had just kind of been being
played our best football yet and then it looked like
we had put it together for a half and we
were ready to come out the second half, and then
DC go down on the first drive. We started reeling
as a defense, and they come back and they put
some drives together. I mean, we had them shut down
the first half, and then all of a sudden they
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just get life, and uh man, you just you weren't
expecting a game like that, to realize that you gave
this game up when when you had it in the back,
and you kind of not want to let one game
turn into two games, you know. But like when I
think about the momentum of that, I think about that
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that kind of reminds me of like Colorado. Everybody followed
Colorado football, but they had kind of had like an
up and down season and then they played I think
was Stanford. Was this Stanford that they blew out in
the first half and then they came all the way
back and and gave that game up.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Might I think with Stafford, But they started off like
four to roh and then all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
They started hot. But then you know they played.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Uh usc before, but then they played.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Like come back, and I think that was the Stanford game.
So they won one more than they played Stanford. After
that game, they never recovered. It didn't seem like they
were covered after that. And so I feel like that
was kind of us in Green Bay. We got it
in parts, but we never really got back to that
stride until late in the season. But I did like
the way that we finished. If we could have found
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that earlier in the year.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I could have swore we found that when we when
we trounced the Patriots. Now we beat him thirty five.
I said, ah, I said, this is a Bill Belichick
led team like this, it don't matter, like you don't
do this to Bill Belichick minus the players, because you
know they got Matt juwide on over there, they got
the other air rusher. Then you know running back was
running when the game was all right. I was like,
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we thirty five zero the Patriots. That doesn't happen. And
then but it was like, like we said, bro, like
you know, the inconsistencies of it all, We really didn't
catch that consistent. All right, this is what we're gonna
do on offense, is going to do on defense until
the end. And I was like, well, that's where you
want to peak anyways, so all we need is a ticket.
And then that didn't happen our way. But what you're
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you're a lot more even killed than I am. Like
you know me, bro, I'm amped up on on ten
for everything. And you be like, yeah, so this is
what we got to do during the week, and then
on then on game day you on you on like twelve,
you become highbrid you know what I'm saying. You go
in that thing and you what we got to do it.
I'm like, you wasn't acting like this Monday through Saturday.
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There is now I did on.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
The work, man. I think we just the word was
just inconsistent.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Man.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
We were just too inconsistent this year. And it was
it was very disappointing because we didn't achieve our goals
and we're living in the results of that because of inconsistency,
And for me, my process is I want to be
consistent during the week so that I can get the
same results on Sunday. And individually I felt like I
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was able to do that, but it's in vain because
collectively we didn't achieve that. And like, when I'm in
that's what my reflective time looks like, it's could I
have done more on that collective piece? And that's how
I'm approaching the off season to figure out if I can,
if I can achieve consistency for myself, how do I
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how do I spread that? And I don't think I
did a good enough job.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
And uh yeah, when you come to that revelation, it
didn't start when you were like how do you? How
did you become so even killed? Like you've been able
to step back and look at the game as as
a whole. That started off from your jet days, like
the younger days when you had I'm just thinking about
it in your locker room. You had what Darrell rewis
back in the gap. You had like original Antonio Commarty,
like stone cold Antonio Commarti, like Crow Reavers Island.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, I had great I had great vets Man. It
was Reeves, was Crow. I had Dave Harris who did
ten years, Bart Scott who's see O TV now, Calvin Pace,
the Brickershaw Ferguson on the offensive side, So I wasn't
just dealing with defensive guys. The Brickershaw Ferguson on the offense,
Nick Mango, Nick Folk, who's still kicking now.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I just had a full of veterans that you can
just go and pull information from. I played with DeMont
and Lauren Landry. Uh man. I had some guys man
that he was just learned so much from guys who
had had a ton of success. A Antonio Holmes was
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on that team. Mhm uh that you could just pull
information from. You can learn a lot of things of
what to do, You can learn a lot of things
and what not to do. But everybody was on my
team was at seven eight years, and I'm like, dang,
they ain't doing it like they passed the threshold. You know.
It was that fear of man, I just trying to
make it three three and three games. Let me just
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get my my pension, you know. But I was able
to pull from them guys just from recovery from approach,
you know, just how to how to stay in the game.
And I still rely on a lot of those baseline principles,
but I put my own in. I put my own
work in, you know, I found my own lane. I
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found what works for me, and I do a lot
of mental training and I think that's what allows me
to be more reflective. So all throughout the season, I'm
meeting with our team with our team site, which I
just called my mental performance coach, and we were just
talking about the game. We would talk about week to
weeks how to find that consistency and how I was
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finding that consistency was in practice, and I just felt
like if I if my routine was working, don't change it.
If it was something that wasn't working, changing and uh,
that's kind of the mode I stayed in. And that's
why you see me even keill. And then when it's
game time, you know, it's all about bringing the warrior
out like, ain't no flinch, ain't no fear. Let's go,
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and now it's time to bring everything that you to
meditate it on out for the public. Ain't no time
to think about it. It's time to go. And that's
what you saw game day.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
You know what I mean. I come to bring hands
every day. That's practice, that's breakfast, that's lunch, that's dinner.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I lived my life so absolutely it's a walk through it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm looking for smoke, looking for smoke. Already, I go
home looking for smoke. I come back, look for smoke.
I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna learn how to be even killed.
Won't be like you when I grow up. I'm gonna
learn how tomna learn how to chill out.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I tell you all the time, Bro, I asked you
that all the time, Like, how does it feel to
wake up and be camp Jordan?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Well, I know what I mean. Now that I got
a son who's just like me, I can see how
can be taxing? See take wake up and wake up
earlier than I do. Just okay, yes, sir, got your
swag all over here? Oh man, Bro, did you think
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about our locker room this year? Just safe defense alone?
We had what three or four veta over thirty you
know our team had what five or six? Was with me?
You tie Derek Carr what thirty two? Jimmy Graham thirty five,
thirty six that I feel like they had to help.
But just mixing in the season vets with just that
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that young talent like that had to have helped the
team for sure. Let's just talk about our defensive side,
like you talk about it on every level. There's there's
your again, you go to the safeties, there's Tyrant Marsham
probably just what eight, he's still young. But there's you
on linebackers, me at D line. So that open line
of communication, bro it was has always been there, especially
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during the games or practice whatever it was. I feel
like that's what I'm I'm looking harping on. I'm like,
we have open line of communication. How like, how do
we take that next step? But in terms of just
talking to younger guys, do you find that it's hard
to relate to them? Do like when you talk about
year one, year two type players?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh yeah, I think, man, it is. The great piece
is like when you have it at all levels, you
got Pro Bowl at all levels. So when I when
I look at you on the defensive line, like I know,
I don't have to go talk to all the guys
on D line. I can take a missione to you
and it's gonna go to all the guys. The same
thing with Tying, I don't have to talk to the DBS.
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I'll just go to him and he will pass it on,
whether it's mess for practice, mess for the game, and
so having that is great. I do think that there's
a communication gap that just exists in society because of
the way that we learned how to communicate. I'm a
I guess me and you kind of the same boat.
We're kind of like a middle generation, and so we
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got pieces of the old school, and we're dealing with
people who are all the way digitals. Like one of
the guys in the locker room wasn't born when nine
eleven happened, like.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Some of the guy was one of the guys, some
of the guys.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Some of the guys, But we have a conversation about it,
Like he didn't even know what date it was. No,
like it's called not eleven.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
He was like not they have no Yeah, I ever.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Put nobody on the spot. But he was like, I said,
do you know when not Living happened? He's like, yeah,
it was like November right. No no, no, no, no, no,
you're trying to fix it. But it was a real
conversation and everybody was like yo, wow, And it was
one of those moments like, man, we are we're kind
of like in a in a.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Time war and yeah, but I think.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's still the onus of the responsibility of figuring out
that that communication. One of the things that one of
my mentors was helping me learn, he said, what language
was God talking to Adam and even in the garden.
And I was like, yo, and that everybody has a
language because they're human. And though it may be a
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digital language, though it may be uh, you know, more choppy,
more emojis, right, you know what means that you communicate through,
it's still communication. And to figure out that language is
the responsibility of a leader to figure out and you
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just learn how to reach guys. And that's what I
was in my reflective time. I'm looking and I'm like,
I don't think I did a good enough job, you know.
And I think it's easier to be dismissive and just
be like, oh, they're a young generation, they'll figure it
out or they.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Got to figure it out now, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
But I think it's it's this game has always been
the older guys teach the younger guys what is supposed
to look like.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And I think it was so much easier to do
that when we were younger because you had to be
in the meeting rooms. And now it's a digital age
where everybody has iPads, you know, Microsoft tablets and can
watch film, do everything else isolated. And I think that
isolation is also causing a divide as well.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I agree that's that's one of the things is socially
we communicate different, right, Like how we grew up. You
go to the playground, you go to the park, you compete,
you go outside. It's a it's a it's a it's
an unnecessary Rougherens football game going on, throw it up
and running. You don't get it how you live Like
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what you see the kids, our kids attempting to do
when they play football after the game, right, but they
don't do that just other than that event. They're not
just outside other after that, they're going to organize sports,
Like it was so much play that was unorganized.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
There ain't no neighborhood football no more. Like i'm.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
A know, ain't no just pick up basketball game going
on them down on the corner at the park. You know,
like everything is organized right, like you go to you
go to a lifetime gym. Now they got they don't
move to basketball. Course, they got pickball games going on,
and pick aball has a system. It's a system to
get in the game. Have you ever been to a
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pickball game? No, a pickup pick a ball game. You
don't just go and be like I got next.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
You gotta go.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
You gotta put your racket in a certain spot. That's
how they know. And then they have like pro courts,
and then they have like the amateur courts, and it's like,
it's a system, bro. Like, you can't just show up
at pickleball and just be like I got nixed, like
basketball courts, it's all. They've moved the basketball courts out.
Pickball is what's he in and so like, But this
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is this is our society now, right, It's it's much
more digital, organized structure versus just random and so like.
What that does is I don't even know how to
communicate with you unless it's under a certain format, right,
I only know how to meet you on this app.
I only know how to meet you in a space
that's organized, like a team meeting is where I'm gonna
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see you. And but then no team meeting going on
while we're still at the building. That's that's a that's
a mentality, that's a mindset, right Whereas what four years ago,
five years ago, meetings and meetings been over for four hours,
everybody still in the locker room, some people watching, some
people Nintendo, some people shooting basketball. But we all just
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building that chemistry. So it's just different. And so it's like, Okay, well,
how do you reach this generation that's under kind of
a different mindset when it comes to camaraderie. You still
have to find a way to meet him. And I
think that's that is a struggle. I haven't haven't found
that yet, but it gotta be.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Some absolutely bro. Like you know, I had two rookie
d linemen uh this year and one you know, one
loves the FaceTime. You know, mydther Ze. Hey, hey bro,
I told him when he first got team and said, hey,
if you need me FaceTime, if you need like, don't
do dumb stuff. If you need me in the middle
of night, you can call me. I'll come get you.
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I'll figure it out whatever needs to happen. He just hey, Bro,
I just want to say, man, I appreciate you, bro,
And like, I have never had a rookie to call
me in the middle of night just to just to
want to talk ball. He's the first one I love.
I love Brian. Yeah, I got you know, I got
Isaiah Foski and Foscar is. You know, he's a cerebral
notre dame guy stuck in his head. You know, I gotta,
(45:10):
I gotta, Like it's like pulling blood. But like you
have to figure out who, like you have to figure
out their communication, like Breeze super easy. You know, like
he wants to be he wants to be a great
football player. You know he's absorbing anything. Fosk not saying
that he doesn't. He's just like you have to go
to him, you know, like, hey man, come on, this
is what we're doing. And he'll hop in the car
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immediately for the but them first, like four weeks, I
was trying to figure him out. I said, hey man,
like I got it, Like I don't. I'm not getting
nothing from him, like, hey man, what you see on
this film? Yeah? But if I text him about something,
I get a paragraph. I'm like this don't make okay, Okay,
I'll see what I gotta do here, Like you just
got It's weird bro to to think that I get
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digital age bro like this, you know, watch film, see
things differently, talk to players like. It's just trying to
figure it out. I'm like, oh man, it's such a
huge gap. But at the end of today, at least
in terms of defensive line, there's always been different cats
on the D line. You know, you have one that's outgoing,
one that's not one this So this is just a
different way to look at it. And how do I
reach my guy? Well, if he likes to eat, then
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I guess we're eating. And if he likes, you know,
if he likes if he likes to watch film, then
that's how we watch film. Like it's it's time consuming,
that's an effort.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
It's a lot more attactical. And I think you just
helped me with something that Communication now is a lot
more individualized because society is much more custom Whereas everybody
had before had to conform to society, now society conforms
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to the consumer. Right. Think about all the algorithms that
present themselves. It knows how to present itself to you,
the shopper, versus the customer having to go to the store.
Like Black Friday, you got it, You got it if
you could get there early enough and.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Get it in everybody there five everybody had to conform
to the marketplace, not a marketplace. Marketplace conforms to the consumer.
And so I think that's the same way when you
think about like being.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
A being a teammate, right, the teammates used to all
the teammates conformed to whatever the team was on. Whatever
you have a team, you gotta be able to conform
to all the individuals, right, So you have to make
sure you still hold onto your principles and stuff that
you're not gonna sway on the course. So it's not
just saying like you you just kind of rolling, yeah,
(47:35):
but I think you have to be willing to go
and meet individuals where they're at, and you gotta that's
just what society is, right if you just think about, like,
you know, look at all the guys who come in.
They played in college and the college didn't conform to
them what they do, Hey, transporport them.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm going transport them.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
And they talented enough, they're gonna they're gonna make it in.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
It ain't got or yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
And uh that's not the case for everybody, but for
a lot of them. And so that everybody's just used
to everything being catered to them, and so like I
can see how you're dealing with different lanes of communication
and something that's gonna benefit some is not. And I
think just being able to communicate a message to them
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that this is what the league is about, this is
what it stands on. I'm conforming to you because I
want to give you the principals that's gonna get help
me be successful. I'm not conforming to you to think
that it's your way because it's game.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
It's I'm not acquiescing. I'm not saying hey, I'm doing
your way. No, I'm coming to you so you could
take this information better, this how this is how we're
moving on. You might just help me a little bit.
I feel like I'm acquiescing at the times. I'm like, bro,
Like when I was a rookie old event would be like, hey,
this is how it's getting done. You'd be like all
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right now, like you know, we're talking to them like
hey man, this was this was what is the tradition,
this is why we're doing it. And I'm having to
explain myself more, you know, like you know, get home,
be trying to tell wife you talk, I'm talking out baby,
like I'm tied that lead, that leadership role, like it
takes it takes something about you. But no, you knows
(49:18):
as much as you just helped me there. You know,
whatever it was, or you've been, You've been an outstanding
teammate yourself, you know, uh, a great leader for the
linebacker corps. You talk about the pregame speeches even in
locker room when it's time. You know, uh, you were born.
You were born for this role as as a man
of God, and that goes probably hand in hand with
(49:39):
being a leader of faith as well, just in terms
of you know, uh p ao as well as your
uh not not even your ministry work, but your devoted
dream dreamers and the you know, the I almost called
a flag, the seven h seventeen that you got, or
the way you stacked everything up, but just balancing the
demands of football and your faith. How does the how
do you ultimately want to be remembered?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Oh man, I want to be I want to be
remembered as a man who tried to as best he
could live for something that was greater than himself. Like
my legacy has little to do with me than me
trying to be a representation of God. It's about how
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my wife remembers me and is able to tell my story.
And if you haven't seen Hamilton, bro, Hamilton is the
greatest play ever. Like I used to be online king,
I graduated. Hamilton is the best. But it's a little
it's a little playing there, a little playing on words
in there that I'm saying, you know, how my wife
(50:47):
is able to remember me, how she's able to tell
my story, How my kids the lessons that they get
from me, and everything after that is a secondary really,
you know, if I could be a good enough representation
of God that my kids get it and they want
to reflect God and they own lives. Man, it's worth it.
(51:10):
It's worth it all. It's life will live.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, look, you used to talk to you talked about
Hamilton a few times this year. You go see the person, right.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, we went with New York. My daughter, actually my
my ten year old daughter, oldest, she was on it,
and she she's musically inclined and musically gifted. She memorized
the whole I mean, if you listen to these songs,
they like little rap songs, and they got so many words.
But she memorized the soundtrack front to back, like you
(51:38):
start playing out any part, pick any song, she gonna
start singing it.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
That's her jam.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
And so we had to go see it. So we
went to New York. Not to mention my kids, was like,
we're back at home and that's where we were born.
My oldest too, and uh, we took them to see the play.
When saw Hamilton, win saw Lion King, and I was
just blown away. I had always heard of Hamilton, but
I never went saw it. But definitely something that's it's
(52:06):
as many people talk about Hamilton, it's still underrated, that's
how good it is.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Hmm. Yeah, I feel like I've seen not on one
of the apps, so it was like a Hamilton live
music whatever, and I was like, nah, do you see
I feel like yeah, like I said, one of the
maps had it, and I was just like, I just
feel like it's one of the things you have to
see in person. Like if I watch, you know.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Don't don't somebody your statue.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Definitely, man, you know, my sisters may only last five
to ten.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Wat yourself watching on the app and then try to
go see the person. Yeah, definitely, man, definitely say you
get a chance to go see the person.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
They just do it a full disservice. I moved so
fast being.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
In America and not having the chief Burder not seeing.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Him is okay, big, big standard. Okay. I'm like I said,
next time in New York, I'm gonna look up a lifetime.
Is it still going? It's probably still going, But I'm
I appreciate you tapping in, Brom. I'm gonna get you
out of here because I know it's getting rather late,
and with you know, all seventy five kids yours, kidd,
(53:15):
I'm kidding. I appreciate WD for tapping in with me.
Like I said, my guys gonna be profound at every level.
I mean all in the field and off the field.
You're gonna leave like I can be a better person.
But I also want to transition to you know, the
all Pro selections came out, and I've got discrepancies, so
(53:38):
I'd rather just create my own liss. You know. Maybe
maybe it's because I really don't agree with this edge
rusher situation, which they always gonna leave on. Like, Bro,
there should be outside linebackers or edge rushers and then
defensive ends, you know, like defensive ends forwards. Like so
I'm gonna say edge rusher. You're gonna throw your Miles Garretts,
your t J. Watts, you know, defensive end, i' musa
(54:00):
say Max Crosby, you know, and I might even you know,
throw a ringer in the way class Campbell was playing
this year towards the end of the year like that
would that would probably give him a second team All
Pro as a defensive end, but again that's not what
they do. So interior lineman, of course, I think, you know, big,
big Dexter Lawrence is a monstrosity that needs respect. Now
(54:24):
I think he got like second team All Pro, but noah,
in terms of interior complete rusher and passer him. Then
I'd also throw in, you know, you can't not talk
about Chris Jones what he was doing. And Aaron Donald
is a force to be reckoned with at every place.
So then it's it's anonymous, you know. So maybe I'll
switch up that order. I go Dexter Lawrence for sure,
and I'll may give Chris Jones, and then I put
(54:45):
Aaron Donald right after. Uh lead us to linebackers. So
if I had to go, I guess I say Dexter Lawrence,
Chris Jones, boom, then linebackers of course, you know, I know,
there's so many great people out there, but double D
is in the category of his own. I mean, he
had six and a half sacks as a linebacker, blitzing linebacker,
whatever you wanna call linebacker. Don't put a running back
(55:06):
on him because he's going through as well as all
the tackles in the world. And then, of course, you
know I agree with I like Fred Warner. I think
man bar none. He's elite at every level. But I'm
gonna throw in the middle linebacker from the Giants, which
I feel like this isn't get enough love. Now. I
(55:26):
don't know how to say his last name, but Bobby,
oh Carrie. I hope I didn't butcher that. But we
played him and it tuned me to his game. I
wasn't aware, but I'm aware of now, and I like
the way he played. Then, of course, you talk about
your corners and the kid from Dallas, Darren bland Mento
(55:50):
from Dallas Cowboys elite. But I'm gonna throw in Pausing
a debo. For some reason, nobody's talking about the type
of year that he had. My man was bawling, you know,
four deceptions, going crazy, lowest percentage of completions like top
three ish, Top four ish. There was no corner doing
(56:11):
he was doing. You know, there was a lot of
guys who might have had higher interceptions, but now of
them completion rates will higher too. Paulson Adebo deserved an
All Pro nod this year, a probo nod or something nod.
Are you going to give it to a Jayalen Ramsey
or you know, Sauce Gardener because nobody's targeting them because
they know better. But when they did a Paulstling, he
earned each and every one of them, which leads me
(56:34):
to a slot quarter Like I don't get how you
can have corners in the slot corner all pro, but
you have edge rushers just period not defensive ends and
then out you know, outside linebacker edge rusher types. But
you say, a slot corner, how you can leave that there?
Kansas City's McDuffie. That works. And then safeties of course,
(56:55):
you know Kyle Hamilton out of Baltimore, you know, coming
from another Dames Prizing pick. For me, I'm clearly not
watching enough Baltimore defense film because in my mind, where
you think about a safety of free safety, I'm thinking
Marcus Williams out of Baltimore and then you know Tampa Bay.
The safety they had Antoine Winfield Junior was him this year.
(57:18):
No doubt. He was balling at our extremely high level.
Couldn't never really left the tape. He deserved that one.
And that's gonna be my list for you know what
I think should be all pros. I appreciate y'all tuning
in with me. This is off the Edge of Cam Jordan.
Don't forget tell a teammate, tell a cousin, tell a
(57:38):
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Cam Jordan
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Batrame, the True batt
Here we go, Episode eighteen, Cam Jordan, Off the Edge
of the podcast. I appreciate y'all tuning in on this episode.
We're gonna talk about Saints coaching moves, there's a few
of them. We're gonna talk about Jason Kelcey and his retirement,
and then we're gonna talk about, you know, the Super
Wildcard weekend. And I mean, once you're in the dance,
(00:25):
anybody can get it, as you saw this past weekend.
Of course, then I'm bringing my guy, my dog, you know,
man of God, the hero, the leader, the linebacker, the
All Pro tomorrow Davis. So stick with me. Here we
go on Off the Edge with me, your host, Cam Jordan.
Let's start this off. I mean I wake up this
(00:47):
morning and I sort of scroll through the Twitter feed,
you know, so just picking up news. I'm not sure why,
Like I guess, you know, my dad's age, they had newspapers.
I'm going through the Twitter feed, like, all right, what's
pertinent from meet you know, the Saints. That was going
on with AK, that's going on with DC Derek Carr,
or what's going on you know with DA Dennis Allen,
(01:08):
whatever whatever that is, you know, just quickly scrolling, and
I see that. We ended up letting go Pete Carmichael,
who's been a part of the Saints for the last
eighteen seasons, you know, fifteen as a OC for the
New Orleans Saints. It's tough to see somebody go. I
know there was a lot of shade thrown Pete's way
over the last year or two about being more aggressive
(01:30):
with the play calls. But he was a mad scientist,
you know, when his plays worked. There was a reason
why him and Sean Payton made a lot of special
moments happen over the years. There was times where it
just seemed like everything was clicking. In the last couple
of years, things haven't been clicking. Three years with no playoffs.
I guess it's time to change, and so let go
Pete Carmichael. Let go assistant offensive senior offensive offensive assistant
(01:55):
Bob Bicknill. And then one that I didn't see for
real coming was a wide receiver coach Cody Burns. I
was like, man like, I was like, I thought Cody
he was been here for the last two years, you know,
so you say, Chris o'lave two years, thousand yards of piece.
I thought he was doing something got a Mashishi heat.
I didn't see that one coming, you know. And then
(02:16):
in the same situation there was you know, lateral movement.
You had a running back coach that's been here forever,
Joel Thomas go over to the New York Giants who
probably won't have se Kwan Barkley next year, where we'll
still have the most one of the most talented running
backs in the game. Ak. Yeah, So the things happen
this morning, and I'm still perplexed about two of those moves.
(02:40):
You know, I was like Joe, all right, good for
him that he's going, but you know you're fired. You
just went lateral, okay. And then of course, you know Cody,
I was like young receiver coach with young receivers with
a lot of potential. And you know, Rashishi he was
a pro bowler. I'll be it on special team side.
He was still you know, the need for speed, you know,
for she she So it just is what it is.
(03:03):
In this business. It's a game of winning, and you
know when you don't win, things have to shake, all right.
So you know, we're taking this on a Tuesday night,
and as of now, reports are that the Eagle center.
Jason Kelsey told his teammates after the loss that he
plans to retire. We'll see if he changes his mind.
(03:24):
I'm sure you know a Star Wars center like Jason Kelcey.
I mean that that's somebody you probably can't let go.
If you see that super Bowl window, super Bowl window
so alive last year's Super Bowl. They lose this year,
you know, first round exit, but that's just it. That's
still the playoffs. There's still chances. As long as you're
in the dance, you have a chance. Think about Jason
Kelcey probably a future Hall of Famer, and that's just
(03:45):
not because he's a you know, twenty eleven draft pick,
coming from the sixth round, the depths of the of
the rounds. But he's a seven time Pro Bowler, six
time first team All Pro, a Super Bowl champ. You know,
he had the gester, he had the fire speech. Philly
still talks about that fiery speech. You know, if the
Kelsey brothers are no for anything, it's that after they
(04:05):
win a super Bowl, they talk about that good stuff
while they got the mic in their hand. I mean,
if Jason Kelsey calls it a career, what a career?
Thirteen years in the sixth round. Nobody really sees you
going that far. And there he is, you know, super
Bowl champion. There he is at thirteen years. There he
is a seven time pro bowler in the NFC when
there was some great centers for a long time, and
(04:26):
he's clearly one of the best ones. I mean, center
does a lot with the communication with quarterbacks. And he
had a couple at Helm. You know, Nick Foles as
Super Bowl champion, he had Carson Wentz, talk about Jalen Hurts,
he might even Yeah, he definitely had Mike Vick over there.
Man's that's legendary to begin with, Ansime, you mentioned Mike Vick.
(04:47):
I just assume it's legendary. You know, he's been he
was undersized. Anytime we'd have the scouts come in and
give us those dots, those hey man, this guy's this
guy's a smart guy. This guy's you know, intelligent. They'd
hit him with all that, but they didn't say, Hey,
he's crafty with his work. He switches up his sets,
he put he's a guy who can id the defense,
(05:08):
you know. So he's everything that you would in the center,
and it showed out. So if it's his last playing day.
Salute man the game be sad to see you go,
but maybe he as an opposing defensive lineman. I'm just
gonna say salute and let you ride off to the sunset.
This section, we're gonna talk about one big takeaway from
each playoff game. You know, let's just get into it
(05:29):
and talk about this first game, the Packers beating the
Cowboys forty eight to thirty two. On the fake Love
zips it in there, it's caught for the touchdown. Romeo
tops and the route is on and tell us, wow,
(05:50):
M I mean, this is a game that I stopped
watching right before halftime. I didn't know the Packers want
to convincingly beat the Cowboys like that. I just felt like,
like Dak is clear cut better quarterback, been playing his
butt off the whole year. Jordan Love was abysmal at
the beginning of the year when we played them. They
ended up beating US seventeen to eighteen, and I was,
(06:12):
I'm styling, still sort of sick about it. I'm not
going to drop the embarrassed word, but like I was, like,
this kid has a lot to figure out, and he
figured it out by the end of the year. He
was playing really really well, you know. Uh, and clearly
now he's in playoff and he's in playoff form for
them to go forty eight thirty two, it really was
like forty eight sixteen somewhere in that fourth quarter. It
was a convincing win. Yeah, Jordan, if he's playing the
(06:34):
way he did this past weekend, you can see him
going deep into the playoffs. Now how deep, but for
his first year at Helm, that's what you'd like to
see as a as a as a franchise. Our second game,
I'm gonna talk about the Lions beating the Rams twenty
four to twenty three five Still timeout Rams one fifty
(06:59):
two game is not over yet, so it's very very close.
Almon Ross, Saint Brown brother Equadnamious. That being said, we're
gonna talk about First of all, he came in with
blue hair. He went super saying god for you know,
he was going crazy Detroit blue. Whatever you want to
(07:21):
call what he did to his hair. But I mean,
let's just take away. Chauncey Gardner Johnson aka Doosey Safety
comes in you had you know, been hurt, comes in
active in the playoff game, shows up big with the
with the game sealing interception. Come on, that's my dog.
Chauncey Defense came to play. Offense, came to play Jared Goff,
Go Bears beats mass evert it was the quarterback swap.
(07:43):
It was a lot of hype around this game and
it was probably the only Wild Card game that didn't disappoint.
Like this was electric the whole way through. You had
to watch this game. Well, you know, we could we
could talk about how the next game where the Eagles,
you know, the night before watched the Packers beat the Cowboys.
They go into the Bucks and I'm like, all right,
that's a clear cut advantage the Eagles. We're ten and one,
(08:05):
begin with finish you know, one and five, and it
sort of bit them in the butt. You know you
figure Bucks finished strong the last you know, their last
game against Carolina. I guess gave him some confidence and
peaked at the right time heading into the playoffs. He
just convincingly beat the Eagles. Toush push did not work,
but I did not see coming. You know, shout out
(08:29):
to my guy Darius Slay, big play sleigh. Hope he
you know, hope he's okay. Anytime there's an injury, you
hate you hate to see it, which leads us to
our fourth game, the Texans beating the Browns. Play action
for Stroud, good protection, loads.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It up, fires down the field, excellent touch.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Perfectly delivered, touchdown the tun Shutz.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Stroud strikes again for thirty seven.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yards with the mobile quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Like c J.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Stroud you saw, you know, when we played the same
I saw how they've tried to work off their runs,
their play actions, and it seemingly was working versus the
Browns and Joe Flack of the way he fit came
to the Browns and finish. I thought there was gonna
be short up of a battle there. It was not.
Forty five to fourteen tells me everything I need to know.
Texas Texans a real deal. Will Anderson, you know, Sheldon Rankins,
(09:20):
You've got a whole gambit of players out there. C J.
Stroud on the office side, man Demiica Ryans is leading
the team, and I think that's gonna be one of
them to beat. We'll see what happens, which leads us
to our fifth game, you know, our fifth game being
the Chiefs beating the Dolphins across nice springs it in
(09:42):
touchdown Kansas City what can you say about this? This
game was a super cold game. I didn't like it
For the Miami Dolphins. I was like, yo, this is
a hot weather team. Shared they played the Jets, Share
they played the Bills, but like they've also put together
a great season to play the Chiefs and have to
play them there. It was like negative what twenty five?
(10:05):
Negative thirty? It was disgusting. It was so cold. I like,
it's not a game that you get excited for when
it's that cold. You know it's gonna be a run game,
or it's gonna be a ground and pound type game,
when of those dirty in between the lineman type games,
Like it's gonna be better running. And I was like,
all right, maybe that even is a playing field for
the Chiefs. And then Mahomes came out there tossing that
(10:27):
tater you know, through through the ball forty forty one times.
I was like, well, there goes that ground pound. I
was thinking, Nah, that's out of there. Well he's playoff
p What do you do against Patrick Mahomes? You know,
I think Tua had a great season. Well, you're going
against a guy who's been the Super Bowl multiple times,
who's won won the Super Bowl multiple times and it's
only like six or seven years in the league. You
(10:49):
gotta bring a you gotta bring you a one. Miami
was a little cold, the mandstreets couldn't stretch out like
they wanted to. The Chiefs took advantage the Dolphins twenty
sixty seven. That was that which leads us too. Somewhere
in that game, Pat Mahomes helmet cracked.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It was so cold.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It wasn't like it was an electric kit. You're like, ooh, dang,
that's a crazy hit. That was a great form, great hit,
But the helmet cracks ain't my mind. Nobody should play
a game if it's negative anything. When it gets to
the twenties and thirties, teams should like be like, we
should be demanding as players as much as you know,
as players unify against turf. It should be those negative
(11:26):
thirty degree games or those games where it's twenty degrees
raining and windshield like these these games that are affecting
what people came to see. My Best eleven version of
your Best eleven. I just feel like it affects the game,
you know, it switches things up. Pat's helmet cracked, Peace
flew off chip, what are we doing out there? No, no,
(11:47):
don't don't don't say it was a helmet that's cold
negative something helmet froze. We had a freeze over last
night in New Orleans and I saw ice on the
on the windshield. I don't even know how to get
that off. I'm a warm wether person. I was like,
what do you pour water on? Know? That's dumb, you know,
like you probably freeze over. I didn't even know what
to do. I had to go get a book to
scrape it off because I don't have one of those
scraper things that I've seen in videos. I had to
(12:07):
figure that out of mom negative negative whatever it was
at Kent City clearly helped him out versus Dolphins, and
you know Pat Mahomes playoff pete which leads us to
our final game the Bills versus Steelers, second and nine
rust the middle, surefield was not that I was Shakir,
(12:28):
not down inside the town. Oh what it effort, but
playing the night Khalil Sakir broke.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Away from the all people.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Mika Fetchpatrick, Honestly, for the games, I did tune in.
I didn't really tune in on this one because I
just figured you know the Bills used to the cold
playing the Steelers, who their quarterback highlight would be Miles
Garrett chasing after him. Anyways, and I think I think
the Steelers have a great defense, but Bills were an
(13:01):
all fours, but a better team offense, defense, special teams.
And it showed they came to play. They brought their
a one game. Man, there's a reason why they're on
to the next stage. At that note, I'm sort of
looking forward to the next you know, to the next round.
You say, everybody's been talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes,
you know, them facing off Josh Allen a regular season
three three to one versus the Kansas City Chiefs and
(13:24):
Pat Mahomes. And then you'd also say, in the playoffs,
no success versus Pat Mahomes, Pat Mahome, boy, Josh Allen
going at it. It might be time for switch switch up.
You know, maybe he's three on one Pat Mahomes versus
Josh Allen by this time next week. So one in
three sounds pretty good. If it's the current one, I
don't know. I'm looking for. If the world's gonna say
(13:46):
Kansas City, I'm looking for upset alert. If the world gone,
Bills probably gonna rock with the world. Von Miller coming
off the edge and he's you know healthy, get you know,
back to being himself at the right time when the
team needs them. Aj Epanessa, you got you know, big
Ed Oliver down low, Greg Russeau on defense. I might
(14:07):
have to tilt to the Bill's defensive side for the win.
All right, So up next, I'm gonna bring in my
guy Tomorrow Davis. We're gonna wrap about everything that's supposed
to be, you know, the team, where the team stands now,
you know how he plays at such a high level.
Amazing man, a guy that you know, we've gone on
(14:29):
a family vacation with. I've got four kids. He makes
me feel like I don't have enough kids. But a
man of God, you know, a guy who takes his
face seriously. Coming from junior college, going to the Arkansas State,
being led into being drafted by the Jets, ends up
with the Browns where everybody disappears at that time, and
(14:50):
then goes back to the Jets to then come to
Nororlean Saints. My teammate, my dog, the Mario Davis, All
Pro Pro bowler, every accolade that you could think of
when we come back stick with us. I appreciate you
(15:17):
tapping in. This is off the edge with Cam Jordan.
I get to bring to you my guy, my dog,
probably probably my ace on the team, like this year,
like if I'm gonna talk to somebody, it's gonna be
this dude. If I'm gonna need you know, if I
need help, it's gonna be this guy. And if he
needs to come talk to my d line he can't
talk to me. There's an open line of communication with
my guy, Tomorrow Davis, All Pro, five time All Pro Tomorrow, Like,
(15:39):
let's not be light on that five time All Pro
only got one pro bo, which is not adding up,
like the talent and the way that Tomorrow Davis's name
holds in the NFL is still only one pro bo
so far, maybe two this maybe two this year. But
like for sure he should be a multiple, multiple time
pro bowler. He's a multiple multiple All Pro double d.
Appreciate you for happened in my guy.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
My God actually having me all man then is all mine.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Man. Let's let's just let's talk about this. You and
you keep up to date, like if anybody keeps up
to date with the Saints and what's going on in
the NFL. It's you like a student of the game,
a master of a lot. You know, when we talk
about current events, you're usually up to par since you've
heard you've heard the news. As of today, we've had
some we've had some coaches let go, how you feeling
(16:27):
like it's all offensive side? But a couple of them gone, I.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Mean, it's it's it's it's the business. It's the business
of the game. You know, it's tough because it's a
reminder that we dropped the ball as a whole. Like,
what you want to happen is to have success, and
everybody's getting promoted, which we've seen have success. Other guys
(16:52):
go get big time jobs and now they win and
playoff games. That's what you want to be. You want
to be in the sweet spot. Guys getting contracts, guys
uh you know, going getting resigned, Guys going to other
teams getting getting paid, which has been our experience in
(17:13):
the past. But when you have an off season like
this because of multiple years not getting it done, and
now there's man, it's mandatory that something has to change,
and who is that gonna be? Man, it's gonna look
different on the roster. From the players side, it's gonna
look different from the coaching side. And it's just a
reminder that we dropped the ball as a whole. I mean,
(17:36):
at any point when you don't get it done, somebody's
gonna be the one that has to fall on the
sword or be the scapegoat. And and and we're seeing
that it's happening. I think this is the beginning of
that attempt to make a change or that attempt to
something has to be done. And it's unfortunate, you know,
(17:59):
like uh, you know, Pete, Bob Cody, my.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Guy Joel Thomas went to the Giants, Joe I fired,
but just like just like ladder movement, and I'm not
even thinking lad it was like going to like let's
let's keep that a b you know, like when when
officer guys go, I mean I had, I was like,
what I said, what did Bob do? What Pete?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
It's like, I guess they felt like he was gonna
be a mold or something.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Man if I got rid of gotta gotta get rid
of his man's Okay, Okay, that makes sense, all right, man,
I'm sorry I had like that was just off my mind.
First question I asked, but this week off? How you living? Man? Like?
What what's your first week of off season? Off? Is
it off season?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Is it the same every year? How do you process
the end of a season into off season? Because that
dynamic changes for you tremendously. For me, I just go
back to the you're back in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, that's the career for me now. I think every
year is different. I traditionally keep the same framework, but
it's a season by season thing just because of the
emotional part. So as for me, like I'll keep training.
I'll stay doing my recovery regimen all the way through
the Super Bowl, like I trained specifically so my body
(19:25):
is ready for this time of year. And so it's
like I'm like a I'm like a Ferrari just sitting
in the garage right now, Like I'm meant to be
on the road going fast right now, Like That's what
I'm trained for. And so it's disappointing when we're not
doing it because my body feels fresh, it feels like
like I can go and I'm throwing my kids up.
(19:46):
It ain't like I'm in shutdown mode or tired mode,
like I'm out playing in the snow with my kids
earlier to day, like running around, my legs feel fresh,
and I'm like, outside, yeah, it's it got like seven
eight inches. I heard that's why my.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Hot hot seven eight. Bro, that's disgusting. I do not
just like that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And the horrible part is is the dry snow so
like you can't even make a snowball or a snowman,
like you just pick it up and it just crumbles
in your hands. So I keep training all the way through,
but I processed different. So it just depends on like
where I'm emotion and I think, you know, at this
just finished my twelfth season, thirty, just turned thirty five
(20:30):
years old, have a comp a lot in the game,
and now it's where where do I want to go?
And so's now it's man, I want to process. My
goal is to do forty five more like that's a goal. Yeah,
you said you.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And you said that earlier this year for the first time,
and I looked at you because we've talked about it
over the years. You're like, I don't know how many
more left? And I was like, bro, what you mean
you're not playing at such a high level? What are
you talking about no man, And I was like, oh,
all right, and this year you hit me with the
forty five more so, oh, I love to hear You're like,
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what brought you to that?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
There was a revelation, man, it was a revelation. Man.
My favorite player in the NBA is Lebron, of course,
and I've tracked him my whole life. I mean his
whole career. I've tracked him. I can give you almost
every statistic, every playoff game like. But now I have
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a reason to track him, Like it was like, I
want to play two years after Lebron finished, and I'm
just so mesmerized by his longevity, his durability. He's still
playing at a high level, though they team not doing
as good as good as my team. Okay, see, let's
make sure we have clarity there. The Lakers beat us
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the other night. But I admire his longevity, his durability
is his constant being at the top of his game.
But last year he led the league in past broad points.
Who does at thirty seven, thirty eight years old? And
I'm like, man, if you running and jumping with these
young boys is coming in the league, I don't have
no excuse being I'm four years younger than him, and
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so I'm like, well, Bron probably gonna play two more years.
We know he want to play with Ronnie. And so
if I say I want to be in the game
two years after he's done, they give me fourty five
more years. And so I just just give me a
rabbit to chase. When I have a rabbit, it makes me,
it makes me go. And so I got a gold
in mine and it's just rejuvenated.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I was like, I'm not gonna lie to you. I
was be wondering because I said, what so you not
even changed somebody like like lateral in your position? You like, nah,
I see the greatest of all time, Lebron. So I'm
gonna outplay. I'm gonna outlay his longevity. That's crazy to
think about. Forty five years. Gonna put you in like
year sixteen, seventeen. I love that for you. I'm gonna
watch you. I'm gonna watch you know year fifteen.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Come on, bro, come on out.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
W I told you this revelation of mine I had
two years ago.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I was here to push you.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Hey, I love you. My body God knows, God know you.
My man's it's gonna take it's gonna take Wifey to
say a lot for me to come back after year
fifteen because I love I love football, and I'm willing to
give it by all fifteen is gonna be the mental
the mental hurdle that we'll talk about later. Let's just
talk about, you know, not even just the long jetsy
been playing, but at the high level you've been playing.
Like you didn't even hit your first All Pro till
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you turned thirty. You was at the New Orleans Saints.
You you know, you were from the Jets, where you know,
you would say it's a heavy market, you know, one
of those those marketing places that all you have to
do is be semi quasi, you know, explosive, stand out
on the field, and you're gonna get your accolade immediately,
you know, to be I don't know, I still don't
know how you went why or how you went to
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the Browns back to the Jets, but then you came
to New Orleans and you've played your best football. It
just is what it is. Five All pros gives you
direct access, and it's hard to make All Pro, especially
in the Saints, like it's a hard market to excel
it in terms of the eyes and terms of the accolades,
whatever comes, you have to earn it, and you've you've
done all of that. Like I said, so five pro
but like five all pros? How did you like, how
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did you reflect on reaching this milestone, because there's I
think there's only like four or five Sames players that
ever reached five All pros.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
In general, I think it goes back to twenty sixteen
me and a conversation, a conversation that I had with God.
I was ready to retire in twenty sixteen, my year
one year with the Browns. I feel like, you know,
playing with the Browns when they was the Browns that
I was on and to make anybody want to retire.
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But man, I was ready to throw it in. I
didn't have I didn't have the mindset to change greatness
no more. My body was hurting and I went into
my pre clauset. Man I just said, God, I'm done,
I'm finished. But I knew he wasn't done with me yet.
So it was like I was throwing in the towel,
just like, if you don't want me to do more,
you wanna have to do it. I was like, God,
you got to rejuvenate my mind. You got to rejuven
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in my body. And I literally prayed that, and it
was like I heard an audible of God just say like,
thank you for throwing in the town. I got it
from here, and don't forget that you threw in the town.
That's why I tell that story so often, because I can't.
I have to give credit to what it's due. And slowly,
but surely, man, I just started training different and I
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found a way to be more efficient in my game. Now.
I've been always been doing the numbers, go back to
my second year, my early years with the Jets, I
was always doing one hundred tackles. I was always doing
three to four sacks. I was doing the numbers, but
my game was just sloppy. Plus I was with the
Jets twenty seventeen. After that moment, I come back, and
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not only do I got the production, I got the
efficiency to match. So I'm not missing as many tackles.
I'm not getting beatn coverage. You know, I'm making my
plays in the backfield versus you know, three or four
yards down the line, down the field. Just cleaning my
game up a lot. And that was problem. Statistically, one
of my best seasons, but the same time I was
with the Jets and nobody saw it. Fast forward twenty eighteen.
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I come to the Saints and we go to the
conference championship game. I'm doing the same thing, but everybody
sees it, and now it's welcome to is welcome to
the NFL per se?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I kind of to me, Welcome to the NFL. Welcome
to the NFL. Twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, because twenty seventeen was really like my rookie season
because after that humbling moment, there was a new that
was a new beast that was awake and that was retroduceable.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, and so twenty seventeen twenty eighteen was kind of that,
you know, putting it on display. They might have thought
twenty seventeen was a fluke, and I did it again
in twenty eighteen, and then when it happened in twenty nineteen,
we didn't go as far as the team, but the
production was still there. And I think that's when the
Notarioty game and since then it just hasn't been no
drop off. I think they thought because it was thirty
(26:51):
that there was going to be drop off, but there wasn't.
But I think it's because I'm running on something different
and it's the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
We're not going to just run through like that was
a time where you know, Man of God, I come
to the house and now he got the Man of
God headband on there. I said, that's how you know
it's official when everybody in the house body. When did
high breed come come about?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Man? Hybrid probably came in my training in twenty nineteen,
I believe, so twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, my goal was
just to be the best linebackers in the league. But
twenty nineteen, I believe it was just a lot of
linebackers that was in that conversation, and so it was
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Bobby Wagner, I think Fred was on the scene. Then
twenty twenty you had guys like Shaq Leonard in that
conversation of David Dead or White started jumping into conversation.
So it was a lot of people. And if you see,
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it's always this best linebacker conversation, who's the best linebacker?
And so for me it became him about differentiation and
what is What was differentiation for me was it's a
lot of hybrid players in the league, and a hybrid
is someone who can kind of be a twiner. Right,
you have a guy who can be a D lineman,
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but he can be also outside linebacker. You have uh
a safety slash nickel or nickel slash corner. You know,
Uh that Simmons guy that got drafted, Uh that was
playing a Z I think he's a different team now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
He was a high Yeah he's never at the Giants
now yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah. And UH with the hybrid was like, I feel
like I can go into a game and play one
position and dominate on all three levels. Like I feel
like they can put me in the game and safety
and I'd be a great box safety. Like I know
all the coverages. I know how to come up and fit.
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I can cover one on one on tight ends or
running back that get put out at number two every
now and then if it's a slide, I can I
can handle that. At the same time, I can go
and play the defensive line. I feel like I can
be on the edge all game, whish they did for
us one time we played the Rams. I just had
to sit out there on the edge and ain't gonna
talk about that game. But I can.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It's difficut on the edge. Now we gotta hold that
hold the edge.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I got respect for all positions. I'm not trying to
say that, but that's what I feel like when I'm
saying high Breed is like I can truly I'm not
like a twer. I can play a line back, I
can play defensive line and I can play.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
D B for not a high brid high Breed like built.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Different, Yes, sir different. It's like a transformer. I'm transforming
whatever you need.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Is there any game that this year that you you
saw as like the changing moving for our season? Like
I'm clearly going to say, you know, the Week three
matchup versus the Packers, right, because at that time we
talked about it. I was like we could take advantage
of Jordan Love like this is he's really a rookie
and you know that to me, we were up seventeen
oh and Lambeau was silent. Could hear me snap fingers,
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you know, in the middle of the field to the sidelines,
quiet as hell? And then we ended up losing eighteen
to seventeen. Is there a game that you look back like,
how do we lose? Like? How did we do this?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
That was a tough game because we were looking to
put it all together, and you just think about like momentum.
I'm a big basketball fan. I feel like this is
one of the best sports where you can see momentum change.
And man, the momentum in that game and the way
it suck the air out of my season early on.
It was like it took us a minute to grapple
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after that because we had just kind of been being
played our best football yet and then it looked like
we had put it together for a half and we
were ready to come out the second half, and then
DC go down on the first drive. We started reeling
as a defense, and they come back and they put
some drives together. I mean, we had them shut down
the first half, and then all of a sudden they
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just get life, and uh man, you just you weren't
expecting a game like that, to realize that you gave
this game up when when you had it in the back,
and you kind of not want to let one game
turn into two games, you know. But like when I
think about the momentum of that, I think about that
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that kind of reminds me of like Colorado. Everybody followed
Colorado football, but they had kind of had like an
up and down season and then they played I think
was Stanford. Was this Stanford that they blew out in
the first half and then they came all the way
back and and gave that game up.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Might I think with Stafford, But they started off like
four to roh and then all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
They started hot. But then you know they played.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Uh usc before, but then they played.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Like come back, and I think that was the Stanford game.
So they won one more than they played Stanford. After
that game, they never recovered. It didn't seem like they
were covered after that. And so I feel like that
was kind of us in Green Bay. We got it
in parts, but we never really got back to that
stride until late in the season. But I did like
the way that we finished. If we could have found
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that earlier in the year.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I could have swore we found that when we when
we trounced the Patriots. Now we beat him thirty five.
I said, ah, I said, this is a Bill Belichick
led team like this, it don't matter, like you don't
do this to Bill Belichick minus the players, because you
know they got Matt juwide on over there, they got
the other air rusher. Then you know running back was
running when the game was all right. I was like,
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we thirty five zero the Patriots. That doesn't happen. And
then but it was like, like we said, bro, like
you know, the inconsistencies of it all, We really didn't
catch that consistent. All right, this is what we're gonna
do on offense, is going to do on defense until
the end. And I was like, well, that's where you
want to peak anyways, so all we need is a ticket.
And then that didn't happen our way. But what you're
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you're a lot more even killed than I am. Like
you know me, bro, I'm amped up on on ten
for everything. And you be like, yeah, so this is
what we got to do during the week, and then
on then on game day you on you on like twelve,
you become highbrid you know what I'm saying. You go
in that thing and you what we got to do it.
I'm like, you wasn't acting like this Monday through Saturday.
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There is now I did on.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
The work, man. I think we just the word was
just inconsistent.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Man.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
We were just too inconsistent this year. And it was
it was very disappointing because we didn't achieve our goals
and we're living in the results of that because of inconsistency,
And for me, my process is I want to be
consistent during the week so that I can get the
same results on Sunday. And individually I felt like I
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was able to do that, but it's in vain because
collectively we didn't achieve that. And like, when I'm in
that's what my reflective time looks like, it's could I
have done more on that collective piece? And that's how
I'm approaching the off season to figure out if I can,
if I can achieve consistency for myself, how do I
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how do I spread that? And I don't think I
did a good enough job.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
And uh yeah, when you come to that revelation, it
didn't start when you were like how do you? How
did you become so even killed? Like you've been able
to step back and look at the game as as
a whole. That started off from your jet days, like
the younger days when you had I'm just thinking about
it in your locker room. You had what Darrell rewis
back in the gap. You had like original Antonio Commarty,
like stone cold Antonio Commarti, like Crow Reavers Island.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, I had great I had great vets Man. It
was Reeves, was Crow. I had Dave Harris who did
ten years, Bart Scott who's see O TV now, Calvin Pace,
the Brickershaw Ferguson on the offensive side, So I wasn't
just dealing with defensive guys. The Brickershaw Ferguson on the offense,
Nick Mango, Nick Folk, who's still kicking now.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I just had a full of veterans that you can
just go and pull information from. I played with DeMont
and Lauren Landry. Uh man. I had some guys man
that he was just learned so much from guys who
had had a ton of success. A Antonio Holmes was
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on that team. Mhm uh that you could just pull
information from. You can learn a lot of things of
what to do, You can learn a lot of things
and what not to do. But everybody was on my
team was at seven eight years, and I'm like, dang,
they ain't doing it like they passed the threshold. You know.
It was that fear of man, I just trying to
make it three three and three games. Let me just
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get my my pension, you know. But I was able
to pull from them guys just from recovery from approach,
you know, just how to how to stay in the game.
And I still rely on a lot of those baseline principles,
but I put my own in. I put my own
work in, you know, I found my own lane. I
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found what works for me, and I do a lot
of mental training and I think that's what allows me
to be more reflective. So all throughout the season, I'm
meeting with our team with our team site, which I
just called my mental performance coach, and we were just
talking about the game. We would talk about week to
weeks how to find that consistency and how I was
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finding that consistency was in practice, and I just felt
like if I if my routine was working, don't change it.
If it was something that wasn't working, changing and uh,
that's kind of the mode I stayed in. And that's
why you see me even keill. And then when it's
game time, you know, it's all about bringing the warrior
out like, ain't no flinch, ain't no fear. Let's go,
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and now it's time to bring everything that you to
meditate it on out for the public. Ain't no time
to think about it. It's time to go. And that's
what you saw game day.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
You know what I mean. I come to bring hands
every day. That's practice, that's breakfast, that's lunch, that's dinner.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I lived my life so absolutely it's a walk through it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm looking for smoke, looking for smoke. Already, I go
home looking for smoke. I come back, look for smoke.
I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna learn how to be even killed.
Won't be like you when I grow up. I'm gonna
learn how tomna learn how to chill out.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I tell you all the time, Bro, I asked you
that all the time, Like, how does it feel to
wake up and be camp Jordan?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Well, I know what I mean. Now that I got
a son who's just like me, I can see how
can be taxing? See take wake up and wake up
earlier than I do. Just okay, yes, sir, got your
swag all over here? Oh man, Bro, did you think
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about our locker room this year? Just safe defense alone?
We had what three or four veta over thirty you
know our team had what five or six? Was with me?
You tie Derek Carr what thirty two? Jimmy Graham thirty five,
thirty six that I feel like they had to help.
But just mixing in the season vets with just that
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that young talent like that had to have helped the
team for sure. Let's just talk about our defensive side,
like you talk about it on every level. There's there's
your again, you go to the safeties, there's Tyrant Marsham
probably just what eight, he's still young. But there's you
on linebackers, me at D line. So that open line
of communication, bro it was has always been there, especially
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during the games or practice whatever it was. I feel
like that's what I'm I'm looking harping on. I'm like,
we have open line of communication. How like, how do
we take that next step? But in terms of just
talking to younger guys, do you find that it's hard
to relate to them? Do like when you talk about
year one, year two type players?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh yeah, I think, man, it is. The great piece
is like when you have it at all levels, you
got Pro Bowl at all levels. So when I when
I look at you on the defensive line, like I know,
I don't have to go talk to all the guys
on D line. I can take a missione to you
and it's gonna go to all the guys. The same
thing with Tying, I don't have to talk to the DBS.
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I'll just go to him and he will pass it on,
whether it's mess for practice, mess for the game, and
so having that is great. I do think that there's
a communication gap that just exists in society because of
the way that we learned how to communicate. I'm a
I guess me and you kind of the same boat.
We're kind of like a middle generation, and so we
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got pieces of the old school, and we're dealing with
people who are all the way digitals. Like one of
the guys in the locker room wasn't born when nine
eleven happened, like.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Some of the guy was one of the guys, some
of the guys.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Some of the guys, But we have a conversation about it,
Like he didn't even know what date it was. No,
like it's called not eleven.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
He was like not they have no Yeah, I ever.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Put nobody on the spot. But he was like, I said,
do you know when not Living happened? He's like, yeah,
it was like November right. No no, no, no, no, no,
you're trying to fix it. But it was a real
conversation and everybody was like yo, wow, And it was
one of those moments like, man, we are we're kind
of like in a in a.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Time war and yeah, but I think.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's still the onus of the responsibility of figuring out
that that communication. One of the things that one of
my mentors was helping me learn, he said, what language
was God talking to Adam and even in the garden.
And I was like, yo, and that everybody has a
language because they're human. And though it may be a
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digital language, though it may be uh, you know, more choppy,
more emojis, right, you know what means that you communicate through,
it's still communication. And to figure out that language is
the responsibility of a leader to figure out and you
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just learn how to reach guys. And that's what I
was in my reflective time. I'm looking and I'm like,
I don't think I did a good enough job, you know.
And I think it's easier to be dismissive and just
be like, oh, they're a young generation, they'll figure it
out or they.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Got to figure it out now, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
But I think it's it's this game has always been
the older guys teach the younger guys what is supposed
to look like.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And I think it was so much easier to do
that when we were younger because you had to be
in the meeting rooms. And now it's a digital age
where everybody has iPads, you know, Microsoft tablets and can
watch film, do everything else isolated. And I think that
isolation is also causing a divide as well.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I agree that's that's one of the things is socially
we communicate different, right, Like how we grew up. You
go to the playground, you go to the park, you compete,
you go outside. It's a it's a it's a it's
an unnecessary Rougherens football game going on, throw it up
and running. You don't get it how you live Like
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what you see the kids, our kids attempting to do
when they play football after the game, right, but they
don't do that just other than that event. They're not
just outside other after that, they're going to organize sports,
Like it was so much play that was unorganized.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
There ain't no neighborhood football no more. Like i'm.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
A know, ain't no just pick up basketball game going
on them down on the corner at the park. You know,
like everything is organized right, like you go to you
go to a lifetime gym. Now they got they don't
move to basketball. Course, they got pickball games going on,
and pick aball has a system. It's a system to
get in the game. Have you ever been to a
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pickball game? No, a pickup pick a ball game. You
don't just go and be like I got next.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
You gotta go.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
You gotta put your racket in a certain spot. That's
how they know. And then they have like pro courts,
and then they have like the amateur courts, and it's like,
it's a system, bro. Like, you can't just show up
at pickleball and just be like I got nixed, like
basketball courts, it's all. They've moved the basketball courts out.
Pickball is what's he in and so like, But this
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is this is our society now, right, It's it's much
more digital, organized structure versus just random and so like.
What that does is I don't even know how to
communicate with you unless it's under a certain format, right,
I only know how to meet you on this app.
I only know how to meet you in a space
that's organized, like a team meeting is where I'm gonna
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see you. And but then no team meeting going on
while we're still at the building. That's that's a that's
a mentality, that's a mindset, right Whereas what four years ago,
five years ago, meetings and meetings been over for four hours,
everybody still in the locker room, some people watching, some
people Nintendo, some people shooting basketball. But we all just
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building that chemistry. So it's just different. And so it's like, Okay, well,
how do you reach this generation that's under kind of
a different mindset when it comes to camaraderie. You still
have to find a way to meet him. And I
think that's that is a struggle. I haven't haven't found
that yet, but it gotta be.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Some absolutely bro. Like you know, I had two rookie
d linemen uh this year and one you know, one
loves the FaceTime. You know, mydther Ze. Hey, hey bro,
I told him when he first got team and said, hey,
if you need me FaceTime, if you need like, don't
do dumb stuff. If you need me in the middle
of night, you can call me. I'll come get you.
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I'll figure it out whatever needs to happen. He just hey, Bro,
I just want to say, man, I appreciate you, bro,
And like, I have never had a rookie to call
me in the middle of night just to just to
want to talk ball. He's the first one I love.
I love Brian. Yeah, I got you know, I got
Isaiah Foski and Foscar is. You know, he's a cerebral
notre dame guy stuck in his head. You know, I gotta,
(45:10):
I gotta, Like it's like pulling blood. But like you
have to figure out who, like you have to figure
out their communication, like Breeze super easy. You know, like
he wants to be he wants to be a great
football player. You know he's absorbing anything. Fosk not saying
that he doesn't. He's just like you have to go
to him, you know, like, hey man, come on, this
is what we're doing. And he'll hop in the car
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immediately for the but them first, like four weeks, I
was trying to figure him out. I said, hey man,
like I got it, Like I don't. I'm not getting
nothing from him, like, hey man, what you see on
this film? Yeah? But if I text him about something,
I get a paragraph. I'm like this don't make okay, Okay,
I'll see what I gotta do here, Like you just
got It's weird bro to to think that I get
(45:51):
digital age bro like this, you know, watch film, see
things differently, talk to players like. It's just trying to
figure it out. I'm like, oh man, it's such a
huge gap. But at the end of today, at least
in terms of defensive line, there's always been different cats
on the D line. You know, you have one that's outgoing,
one that's not one this So this is just a
different way to look at it. And how do I
reach my guy? Well, if he likes to eat, then
(46:12):
I guess we're eating. And if he likes, you know,
if he likes if he likes to watch film, then
that's how we watch film. Like it's it's time consuming,
that's an effort.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
It's a lot more attactical. And I think you just
helped me with something that Communication now is a lot
more individualized because society is much more custom Whereas everybody
had before had to conform to society, now society conforms
(46:42):
to the consumer. Right. Think about all the algorithms that
present themselves. It knows how to present itself to you,
the shopper, versus the customer having to go to the store.
Like Black Friday, you got it, You got it if
you could get there early enough and.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Get it in everybody there five everybody had to conform
to the marketplace, not a marketplace. Marketplace conforms to the consumer.
And so I think that's the same way when you
think about like being.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
A being a teammate, right, the teammates used to all
the teammates conformed to whatever the team was on. Whatever
you have a team, you gotta be able to conform
to all the individuals, right, So you have to make
sure you still hold onto your principles and stuff that
you're not gonna sway on the course. So it's not
just saying like you you just kind of rolling, yeah,
(47:35):
but I think you have to be willing to go
and meet individuals where they're at, and you gotta that's
just what society is, right if you just think about, like,
you know, look at all the guys who come in.
They played in college and the college didn't conform to
them what they do, Hey, transporport them.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm going transport them.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
And they talented enough, they're gonna they're gonna make it in.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
It ain't got or yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
And uh that's not the case for everybody, but for
a lot of them. And so that everybody's just used
to everything being catered to them, and so like I
can see how you're dealing with different lanes of communication
and something that's gonna benefit some is not. And I
think just being able to communicate a message to them
(48:20):
that this is what the league is about, this is
what it stands on. I'm conforming to you because I
want to give you the principals that's gonna get help
me be successful. I'm not conforming to you to think
that it's your way because it's game.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
It's I'm not acquiescing. I'm not saying hey, I'm doing
your way. No, I'm coming to you so you could
take this information better, this how this is how we're
moving on. You might just help me a little bit.
I feel like I'm acquiescing at the times. I'm like, bro,
Like when I was a rookie old event would be like, hey,
this is how it's getting done. You'd be like all
(48:56):
right now, like you know, we're talking to them like
hey man, this was this was what is the tradition,
this is why we're doing it. And I'm having to
explain myself more, you know, like you know, get home,
be trying to tell wife you talk, I'm talking out baby,
like I'm tied that lead, that leadership role, like it
takes it takes something about you. But no, you knows
(49:18):
as much as you just helped me there. You know,
whatever it was, or you've been, You've been an outstanding
teammate yourself, you know, uh, a great leader for the
linebacker corps. You talk about the pregame speeches even in
locker room when it's time. You know, uh, you were born.
You were born for this role as as a man
of God, and that goes probably hand in hand with
(49:39):
being a leader of faith as well, just in terms
of you know, uh p ao as well as your
uh not not even your ministry work, but your devoted
dream dreamers and the you know, the I almost called
a flag, the seven h seventeen that you got, or
the way you stacked everything up, but just balancing the
demands of football and your faith. How does the how
do you ultimately want to be remembered?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Oh man, I want to be I want to be
remembered as a man who tried to as best he
could live for something that was greater than himself. Like
my legacy has little to do with me than me
trying to be a representation of God. It's about how
(50:26):
my wife remembers me and is able to tell my story.
And if you haven't seen Hamilton, bro, Hamilton is the
greatest play ever. Like I used to be online king,
I graduated. Hamilton is the best. But it's a little
it's a little playing there, a little playing on words
in there that I'm saying, you know, how my wife
(50:47):
is able to remember me, how she's able to tell
my story, How my kids the lessons that they get
from me, and everything after that is a secondary really,
you know, if I could be a good enough representation
of God that my kids get it and they want
to reflect God and they own lives. Man, it's worth it.
(51:10):
It's worth it all. It's life will live.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, look, you used to talk to you talked about
Hamilton a few times this year. You go see the person, right.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, we went with New York. My daughter, actually my
my ten year old daughter, oldest, she was on it,
and she she's musically inclined and musically gifted. She memorized
the whole I mean, if you listen to these songs,
they like little rap songs, and they got so many words.
But she memorized the soundtrack front to back, like you
(51:38):
start playing out any part, pick any song, she gonna
start singing it.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
That's her jam.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
And so we had to go see it. So we
went to New York. Not to mention my kids, was like,
we're back at home and that's where we were born.
My oldest too, and uh, we took them to see the play.
When saw Hamilton, win saw Lion King, and I was
just blown away. I had always heard of Hamilton, but
I never went saw it. But definitely something that's it's
(52:06):
as many people talk about Hamilton, it's still underrated, that's
how good it is.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Hmm. Yeah, I feel like I've seen not on one
of the apps, so it was like a Hamilton live
music whatever, and I was like, nah, do you see
I feel like yeah, like I said, one of the
maps had it, and I was just like, I just
feel like it's one of the things you have to
see in person. Like if I watch, you know.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Don't don't somebody your statue.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Definitely, man, you know, my sisters may only last five
to ten.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Wat yourself watching on the app and then try to
go see the person. Yeah, definitely, man, definitely say you
get a chance to go see the person.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
They just do it a full disservice. I moved so
fast being.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
In America and not having the chief Burder not seeing.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Him is okay, big, big standard. Okay. I'm like I said,
next time in New York, I'm gonna look up a lifetime.
Is it still going? It's probably still going, But I'm
I appreciate you tapping in, Brom. I'm gonna get you
out of here because I know it's getting rather late,
and with you know, all seventy five kids yours, kidd,
(53:15):
I'm kidding. I appreciate WD for tapping in with me.
Like I said, my guys gonna be profound at every level.
I mean all in the field and off the field.
You're gonna leave like I can be a better person.
But I also want to transition to you know, the
all Pro selections came out, and I've got discrepancies, so
(53:38):
I'd rather just create my own liss. You know. Maybe
maybe it's because I really don't agree with this edge
rusher situation, which they always gonna leave on. Like, Bro,
there should be outside linebackers or edge rushers and then
defensive ends, you know, like defensive ends forwards. Like so
I'm gonna say edge rusher. You're gonna throw your Miles Garretts,
your t J. Watts, you know, defensive end, i' musa
(54:00):
say Max Crosby, you know, and I might even you know,
throw a ringer in the way class Campbell was playing
this year towards the end of the year like that
would that would probably give him a second team All
Pro as a defensive end, but again that's not what
they do. So interior lineman, of course, I think, you know, big,
big Dexter Lawrence is a monstrosity that needs respect. Now
(54:24):
I think he got like second team All Pro, but noah,
in terms of interior complete rusher and passer him. Then
I'd also throw in, you know, you can't not talk
about Chris Jones what he was doing. And Aaron Donald
is a force to be reckoned with at every place.
So then it's it's anonymous, you know. So maybe I'll
switch up that order. I go Dexter Lawrence for sure,
and I'll may give Chris Jones, and then I put
(54:45):
Aaron Donald right after. Uh lead us to linebackers. So
if I had to go, I guess I say Dexter Lawrence,
Chris Jones, boom, then linebackers of course, you know, I know,
there's so many great people out there, but double D
is in the category of his own. I mean, he
had six and a half sacks as a linebacker, blitzing linebacker,
whatever you wanna call linebacker. Don't put a running back
(55:06):
on him because he's going through as well as all
the tackles in the world. And then, of course, you
know I agree with I like Fred Warner. I think
man bar none. He's elite at every level. But I'm
gonna throw in the middle linebacker from the Giants, which
I feel like this isn't get enough love. Now. I
(55:26):
don't know how to say his last name, but Bobby,
oh Carrie. I hope I didn't butcher that. But we
played him and it tuned me to his game. I
wasn't aware, but I'm aware of now, and I like
the way he played. Then, of course, you talk about
your corners and the kid from Dallas, Darren bland Mento
(55:50):
from Dallas Cowboys elite. But I'm gonna throw in Pausing
a debo. For some reason, nobody's talking about the type
of year that he had. My man was bawling, you know,
four deceptions, going crazy, lowest percentage of completions like top
three ish, Top four ish. There was no corner doing
(56:11):
he was doing. You know, there was a lot of
guys who might have had higher interceptions, but now of
them completion rates will higher too. Paulson Adebo deserved an
All Pro nod this year, a probo nod or something nod.
Are you going to give it to a Jayalen Ramsey
or you know, Sauce Gardener because nobody's targeting them because
they know better. But when they did a Paulstling, he
earned each and every one of them, which leads me
(56:34):
to a slot quarter Like I don't get how you
can have corners in the slot corner all pro, but
you have edge rushers just period not defensive ends and
then out you know, outside linebacker edge rusher types. But
you say, a slot corner, how you can leave that there?
Kansas City's McDuffie. That works. And then safeties of course,
(56:55):
you know Kyle Hamilton out of Baltimore, you know, coming
from another Dames Prizing pick. For me, I'm clearly not
watching enough Baltimore defense film because in my mind, where
you think about a safety of free safety, I'm thinking
Marcus Williams out of Baltimore and then you know Tampa Bay.
The safety they had Antoine Winfield Junior was him this year.
(57:18):
No doubt. He was balling at our extremely high level.
Couldn't never really left the tape. He deserved that one.
And that's gonna be my list for you know what
I think should be all pros. I appreciate y'all tuning
in with me. This is off the Edge of Cam Jordan.
Don't forget tell a teammate, tell a cousin, tell a
(57:38):
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Speaker 2 (58:17):
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