The Official Jets Podcast hits the road as Eric Allen checks in from the 2024 Annual League Meeting in Orlando. He is joined first by NFL Network's Charles Davis, then visits with The MMQB Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer and lastly talks with NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport.
2:30 - Charles Davis breaks down the latest rule changes on kickoffs in the NFL
6:45 - Davis gives his expertise on how the board is shaping up for the Jets in the NFL Draft
12:20 - Day 3 Draft targets at safety for the Jets
14:30 - Davis on the deep wide receiver class in the 2024 NFL Draft
21:40 - MMQB Albert Breer tells his stories of sports reporting legend Peter King
27:45 - Breer's opinion on the work that Joe Douglas has done this offseason
33:30 - The spotlight that surrounds Aaron Rodgers' return from injury
37:00 - Ian Rapoport provides an updated on the NFL rule changes
41:30 - Rapoport's thoughts on the Jets' additions along the offensive line
46:10 - The options the Jets will have with the 10th overall pick
50:15 - What kind of buzz will be around the Jets during the summer
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
They're with a good friend of the Official Tests podcast,
that's Charles Davis.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
How has this week been for you in Orlando?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's been great.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
You know, live in the area, so driving back and
forth has been a lot easier.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Than getting on a plane and being there.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Although if you're getting on a plane and going to
an owner's meeting, usually stand at a pretty nice place. Yes,
pretty nice location, good weather, the whole deal. So no
one's ever going to be that upset if they have
to cover it. But the rules changes that came out
of it, so there's plenty of attention that kicked in. Obviously,
this is different than going to a combine or a
(00:36):
pre draft deal, although that's still hovers right because all
the coaches, they're here doing their thing, but at the
same time they're worried, Okay, what are we doing with
the draft? Free agency is essentially done right, you know,
all those things that kick in, But the rule stuff
is really what I think is coming out of this
is grabbing it all.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Now we're going to be modified kickoff.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
We're going to be able to have that replay assist
that hey, if something is egregiously wrong, un roughing the
passer and things of that nature, we can take it off,
which I think fans are going to like. My only
concern about doing what we're doing, and I'm glad we're
doing it slowly in terms of that replay assist is
because you know, sky Judge immediately comes into play, right,
(01:16):
sky Judge, I've always said, and I still maintain it
is a wonderful idea and concept, but it's going to
be a human being who's going to be the sky Judge.
You tell me, over the course of seventeen games, what
you want is a sky Judge never to be involved,
because that means things are perking along. But let's say
you go two, three, four, or five games and the
(01:37):
sky Judge isn't involved. Human nature is hey, I'm here
at some point, does that sky Judge need when they
don't need to? That's the only thing I worry about
when we get there. But we're not there yet, so
I'm just gonna kick back and watch. But I do
like the fact that, hey, if you didn't hit him
in the head, yeah, take.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It off, yes, and let's keep it moving.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The only thing, the last thing I would say is
we're getting replay assists on other things already. I still
think we can move faster. I don't know how you feel,
but I watch games, I'm doing games and what have you,
and you just see how long it takes to get
in position to make the call.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Let's move it.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, no, offense and officials. No, I'm one of their
biggest advocates. Oh yeah, but I do think that they
can move quicker on stuff like that to keep the
pace of game going. I just don't understand why it
takes a long getting positioned to get the camera shot.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Now you can go quicker.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh, I agree with that. So you mentioned the kickoff.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, what do you.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Think about the change?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Then?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
What do you think this means for special team cordinators
throughout the National Football leagu Right.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Now, I'll start with your second part.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It means that they continue to be employed at the
level that we're employed already. That's the first part. The
second part is I'm excited about it for this reason.
I hated the alternative. The alternative is we were edging
towards taking the kickoff totally game.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'm old school. I like the kickoff.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I I like the opportunity it presents, but where we
were going because of safety, the kickoff was rendered Nolan void.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I understand kickers are too powerful, right.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I don't know how you feel about it, but my
theory on kickers is there's never been a time in
our game when the athletes are as good now kicking
the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
They're flat out athletes.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
This isn't the oldest had historic season for Greg Zerline.
He was incredible, right, And I.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Bet you Greg Greg Zerlines testing in the weight room
is good. I'll bet you if you went on a
basketball court or on you know, on a rank and
maybe he shoots out. I don't know what others other
sports are, but Bay's really good at them.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I don't know what he did in high school because
I haven't looked, But typically when I do a game,
I do a little dive on the kickers and the punters,
and I always find that they're all state, and a
lot of them are all state in position football, not
just kicking. Or this guy was a striker in soccer
and he scored forty seven goals and he did that,
or he was you know, all conference baseball play back
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when I was a kid, he ran over to the
year soccer team and said, can we have someone kick
the ball for us?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
On Friday night.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And the guys off to the side on the field.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And that was it. But now you're getting this whole deal.
But I do like the fact that returners can get
back in it. The special teams, coaches can scheme. Is
it going to look really weird, Yes, But the alternative
is put the ball in twenty five yard line and
we have modified eighth grade scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I hate that. I hate that.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I was just talking to Mike Arra follow about this.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
He said that some of the returners in the past
they could go stretch where you're actually going to have
to look for a different returner.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You got to hit it, right, I think.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And what I like about it is it was announced
also while we're here that the Hall of Fame game
is Houston versus Chicago because of who's going into the
Hall of Fame. Right, one of those people for Chicago's
Devin Hester. That's right, Who's going into Hall of Fame
because of his ability to return to football. We were
not going to get another Devin Hester at the rate
we were going. If you're Cardero Patterson, your phone's probably
(04:56):
ringing off the hook right now with this rule change.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah that hey, we get you.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Back in the game, and you're gonna have a chance
to actually return kicks. That's a whole different deal. So
I can't wait to watch this. I'm excited about it.
I never thought we'd get something from the XFL the USFL.
It'd be worth anything.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Real we are.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
This is what we're getting their ability to put that
type of thing. I can't remember which league it was,
because I'll be honest, I didn't watch a single down
and I had no intention of watching a single down
of XFL and USFL balls. Zero interest. All Right, I've
got enough football. Give it to me for real. If
a guy was gonna make it out of that league, okay,
i'd be able to watch him when he made it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I didn't care. But guess what, I know.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
This rule was there, and this rule allows us now
to keep the kickoff in the game. And I like
the psychological aspect. I wait an entire week to start
a start for a football game. I love the fact
that the final explosion of it starting has been the kickoff.
You know that that anticipation ball on the t You
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know what it's like, All of a sudden, you're at
the edge of your seat, You're standing up in the stadium,
boom ball hits foot and off we go. We haven't
had the second part for a long time, meaning someone
catching it and bringing it out in the first contact
of the game, and here we go.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now we're gonna have it again.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know the draft so well.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I hope, I hope. So you've got a lot of
work to do.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, the Jets.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, after their free agency period, we've had our initial waves.
They have seven overall selections right now, tenth in the
first round. What do you think this is shaping up
from where they are?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
What is the picture for the Jets.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I think it's got multiple places for them.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I know Timon Smith was signed, yep, I know Morgan
Moses was signed, but that doesn't mean that that's long term.
So offensive tackle, there's gonna be a plecor of guys
at ten that the Jets should have there have pick
up if the Chargers at five, and this is without trades, Okay,
if the Chargers at five wanted to go tackle, it
makes sense. If the Titans at seven want to go tackle,
(07:11):
it makes even more sense. The Jets could be in
a position without any movement at all to get one
of the top rated tackles, and there are plenty of
them in this draft. If you want to say, can
I get a receiver? Oh, yes you can. Because if
this draft goes away, we're thinking and now I'm going
to bring a trade into it, we could go one, two,
(07:31):
three four at the top. Yes, Minnesota we know is
marshaled up for it. Las Vegas has made no bones
about the idea. They want to go up and get
a quarterback. Okay, so let's go one, two, three four
right out of the gate. So now those receivers have
been pushed, the tackles have been pushed. Those are both
prime spots for the Jets. And oh, by the way,
(07:53):
the best tight end in the draft. Now people have
talked about are we getting a return on investment for
for that guy? Okay, because Kyle Pitt, Hey, let me
tell youself. Is he not one of the best?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Ye, great people, every outstanding man. I'm looking you never
know it's gonna come by.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I never know. I'm looking forward to watch him do
his thing. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
But the return on investment and the tight end taking
in the top ten hasn't been what we've wanted it
to be.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But this kid Bowers. Could he be that exceptional one.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Heck, I'm thinking again without trades, it starts at five
for him, it starts at five with the Chargers, but
he also could end up going in the twenties. Yeah,
that's what it's like with this because to me, it's
him and Chase at the tight end position. Okay, no
offense to the rest of the tight ends, but there's
not even close between Bowers and the rest of them
in my and my humble opinion. But tackles plenty of them,
(08:51):
receivers plenty of them. You know, if you want an
edge guy, an edge rusher, you might want to go
get him early because there aren't a ton of them.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
In the first round of.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
My opinion, again, I'm looking at at Lay two out
oft of out of UCLA, verse out of Florida State, Dallas,
Turner out of out of Alabama. However, people want to
rank them. Consensus kind of feels like Turner one, Lay
two two, verse three. But everyone has their different opinion
and flavor. If you want one, do you want to
go get him at ten? You know, I mean, that's
(09:22):
that's the question for different people.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Robert Zala never can have enough drus have enough edge rusher,
but the fan base is ready for an offensive playmaker
or off.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
As a playmaker.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It makes it makes perfect sense, and those guys could
be there. And let's face it, if we do go
back to because I'm flipping between no trades and trade right,
So stay with me, everyone, we all, let's let's flips
what Joe talked about yesterday. He's got flexibility. Let's slip
back to trade. Let's go one, two, three, four, quarterback, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten tackles. Receivers are going to get a lot of
(09:54):
play in that time frame. Where do you land on
who's sitting there? What if Roma Dunes they sitting there?
What if Malik Neighbors is sitting there? Whoa Marvin Harrison
junior in an upset doesn't become the first receiver off
the board, which can happen. People have different feelings about
who they like. Wow, okay, what about your tackles. Okay,
(10:15):
we've got Joe wall Olu Fashano right to Lise Fluaga.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Where were going?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And that's just the first chunk of guys that we're
talking about as we sprinkle through the draft. And oh yeah,
let's say that let's play another game one, two, three quarterbacks.
Now the trading starts and what have you. Yep, no
one decides to take quarterback. There the fourth corvet doesn't
come off the board. It's not it's not as eedgton
Stone as it comes off the board.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So now we're pushing that down a little bit. Now
what happens? Guess what?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You're sitting there at ten and that fourth hasn't come
off the board yet. Someone gets itchy. Can Joe Douglas
make that move where? Okay, I can drop a little bit,
accumulate some more and still get the player the.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Type player I want.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
WHOA.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Now, you're right, I think Chica is probably where that
starts at nine to me, because they're not giving away one. Okay,
the card hasn't been written and engraved yet, but we're
pretty sure it's gonna be Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay, I think, uh.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
The league is going to tell them don't turn it
in right away on the first night, so we could
have some time for TV, some suspense, just a little
time for TV, and then they'll give them the nod.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You can turn it in.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But at nine, if you're Chicago and and and all
of a sudden things have kind of flipped in the
right direction.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
If you're if you're Ryan Poles, Hello, yes, hello, I.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Can move a little, accumulate more and continue to get
my team better. And they made a nice move and
last probably where they five and three down the stretch,
they feel good about themselves and they need to continue
to get better because now you're dealing with Detroit, you're
dealing with Green Bay. And Minnesota didn't fall back as
far as we thought, as far as I thought they
would last year. I thought they'd fall back farther. I
(11:52):
give Kevin O'Connell a great deal of credit. He did
a wonderful job. Oh he really is.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Safety is a positions that Jets still are going to.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Be not at ten, not time, but not at ten
probably three.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, what can you tell us about this group overall?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I'm going to tell you a guy that many people
thought we were going to be able to talk about
day three. And again, let's make sure we define day three.
It's round four through seven. So a lot of times
when you just talk you say, oh, he's a Day
three guy, sounds like, oh god, a lot you know better.
I'm just saying fans were aware day three. It's not
bad at all.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
That's where your teams are made. This kid out of
Utah Cole Bishop. I'm crazy about it. You And then
when he ran four four five at the combine, I
think some more people got crazy about him because I
think people liked him a lot, but they weren't sure
athletically what he would be. He comes from the same
school as Eric Weddle, so I don't want to make
that comparison, but you remember the doubts about Weddle coming
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out people, that's one of the few I actually got right.
And I think you can ask Eric Weddle because I
did not realize because a lot of times you don't
think about who's listening to what have you. But he
told me and actually put it out there that I
always believed in him.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, and I did. I loved Eric Weddle coming out,
and you saw the career he had.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Again, this kid isn't Eric Weddle, but coming out of
Utah with some doubts, I just think he cleans up
everything in front of him. He plays the game with intelligence,
he's around the football where he's supposed to be. He
was a prime candidate to be around round four and
be there for you. The four four five might have pushed.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Him a little. We'll just have to see when the
run starts on those safe.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's a good tip.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You always have those guys who aren't necessarily on everybody's radar.
You talked about the top three receivers. How good is
this class? And if you don't, if you're the Jets,
you picked up Mike Williams, You're going to take a
slow approach with him, so he's ready for week one
with you. Always a big time vertical threat and a big,
(13:58):
big body.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh, they're awfully excited about as they should be. I
think Garrett Wilson is probably one of the most excited
people in the building, but.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
They rounds three and beyond. Do you like this wide receiver?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I do? I do.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I've gotten to the point where I've said this and
I'm gonna keep saying it if we're gonna keep playing
ball the way we're playing it, Okay, where seven on
seven is our AAU basketball because that's where we are now.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
If the kids in Texas wake up in the morning
dreaming of throwing.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
It and catching it as opposed to turning around and
handing it and running the football like we did when
I was a kid, okay, or pitching it in the wishbone,
which we're not doing any more. But that's all you
did when you were a Texas kid. Look at all
the Texas quarterbacks coming out now. Used to be Texas
running backs.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Okay, it's Texas quarterbacks and Texas receivers. That's just one state.
It's all across the country. Pitch and catch, pitch and catch.
Everyone's doing it. Everyone's playing it. Kids are getting scholarship
offers off of seven on and seven without people even
watching tape to see if they can play with pads on.
So this is where the game is gone. So as
long as we're gonna keep playing the game this way,
(15:08):
I think you and I will have this conversation for
as long as I'm lucky enough to be employed. Right
that every year we're gonna go. You know, it's a
pretty deep group of receivers. Okay, where you gonna We're
you gonna play a guy like Malakai Corley from Western Kentucky. Okay,
people are doing the Deebo Samuel's Light thing because of
the build and all, maybe not quite as polished as
(15:30):
Debo coming out, but that type of a body frame,
not as strong, but still makes his living off of
catching it short and turning into something big. Yea, you
know where does he end up going for something like that?
You know, it's a kid out of holy Cross coming
out who had had a nice combine and all of
a sudden you find it. K holy Cross is gonna
be a pretty good, pretty good receiver for us. That's
(15:52):
what we're getting now. I think you're gonna look up
and see Pooka Nakua went and what fifth round last year?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I think? Okay, so so we're gonna spend a lot
of time on that.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I would caution people to be careful with Oh yeah,
well you can get him in the fifth round, all right,
yes you can. But Puka was a little bit more
unique for lack of a better word, and here's why
he was heard every single year at BYU. He went
to the Senior Bowl and was the best player on
the field the first day of the Senior Ball I
think you were there, right, and then what happened?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
He got hurt.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
He impracticed the rest of the week, so durability concerns things.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Pushed him to the fifth talent.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
He was already in the second I'm not saying he
was a first round Okay, I don't think he was
going there, but I think he would have been second, third,
and the latest if he didn't have durability concerns.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Kind of reminds me of Taysom Hill.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Taysom Hill has hurt all the time BYU was' less
say you Heardasom Hill heard in the NFL. It's the
craziest thing, right, Puka went through the entire year like this,
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
How about look at yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Now, did you see four to three something at the
combine coming.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
When he ran that?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I can't say.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I can't say that we did, all right, Maybe some
people South Carolina could, but we saw him into Senior
Bowl and you's no way I would have told you
he was going to run someb for for Okay, big strong,
physical guy.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Loved everything there. Memory's a one year starter.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Kind of reminds me a little bit of Kenyan Drake
coming out of Alabama. Made his bones as a special
teams guy, as a gunner, cover guy. Really one year
of production as a runner, went in the third round.
This kid's very similar, all right, announced the old Nukelelus
announced his presence with authority in the season opener against
North Carolina, where he called it seven or eight balls
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well over one hundred yards and people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That was like the first time he really got to
play full time for them, and then he had a
heck of a year with Spencer Rattler. I like him
a lot. Another big frame guy. Again, since we do
compsole all the time. With that frame, that body that's
DK Metcalf light, you know what I mean. And I
have to say light because it's the one year of
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production Metcalf. You know, we knew his biggest concern was
the injury factor coming out. It's a nice COMPI you know,
but I means look at the body, like we know,
you know, we were all in mobile, right, we all
went who When he walks by, he's one of those
kids that did it, you know. And the tight end position,
THEO Johnson's one of those kids at Penn State when
he walks by, go whoa. And I think he's a
(18:18):
developing receiver. I think he got better the week of
the of the Senior Ball. I think that he opened
up some eyes and became that guy remember Brenton Strange
came out of there. Last year was the third round.
I think the Jacksonville THEO followed up. He's not just
a blocker, folks. He he he can go out and
catch it a little bit. But again, remember what I
said in the beginning, it's Brock, Bauers and Chase at
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the tight end position. Can you find good players? Certainly,
Jake Ferguson proves that for you. Right, don't always have
to have a Stopwatch with tight ends. Find out they've
have a ways, if they have ways to get open,
if they're elusive.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
If they have that production in college. I'm a big believer.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I believe that because I like Jake Ferguson better than
a lot of people, just because they ran into the
stop Watch and I was like, that's not what That's
not what his game's about. How's that worked out in Dallas? Okay,
Now we'll do another show sometime. We'll go through all
my misses and that'll be the entire show.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You got more hits than missus.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I'd like to think that, but I've got enough misses
that I'm humble enough to know, Hey, this is what
I evaluated.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
This one I got right, this one, I was way wrong.
Not okay.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So that's that's what evaluation, that's what the scouting all does.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But the good.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Ones, the ones we see year in and year out
that are drafting, those teams that make it work, their
their hit rate is much better.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Charles Davis, his hit rate is always up.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
There.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Not too many misses from this guy. Always fun catching
up with you. Good luck to your volunteers. Yes, yes,
at around a sixteen, we're gonna need it. Those Creighton
Blue Jays are tough.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
New Pulses own Charles Davis, go Huguenots. We're down here
at the league meetings in Orlando, Florida. Eric Allen joined
by Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
How many league meetings is this for you?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
In the sprint, I don't know. God, the first one
would have been for me. I think oh nine, I
didn't go my first few years covering the league, and
then oh nine, it was, believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It was in Los Angeles. It was at the Saint.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Regis, Oh, believe in Monarch Beach, which is like all
the way down in Dana Point.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
YEP. It was unbelievable and I'll never forget.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
What I remember about that most was they were preparing
for the lockout, which was still two years away, and
they were and Roger got up there and was saying
how the economic realities of the league changed.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And TJ. Simers, who had been an old.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Columnist at the La Times you probably remember the name,
basically says Tom Roger look around and like the Pacific
oceans behind him, and there's this unbelievable golf course. It's
like Roger, like, look behind you. Are we sure that
you're having economic problems?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So?
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Uh so, yeah, this would be like fifteen to six them,
So this would have been oh nine, I mean I
I yeah, something like that. Let's be yeah somewhere in there.
How about you personally?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Now, after Peter King announced his retirement, what has that
been like and how much of an influence did he have.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
In career?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I've told people this and I think, well, it's almost
like he doesn't get credit for how good he was
before he did the Monday column. You know what, I
I can remember a story that had an impact on
me as a kid, and this is.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Like a full circle thing for me with his last game.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
So you know, I I remember, I think I was
in high school, and you know, I'm I was the
kid growing up like a lot of us, like the
ran into the mailbox every Thursday to get sports illustrated out,
you know what I mean, Like and and so he
had just unbelievable access to the Packers for an entire week.
And this was like when they at the top of
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the league, with Brett Farves the quarterback and all of that.
And I remember reading that story and thinking, it is
so cool that this guy gets to be inside. And
I wasn't even really thinking about I wasn't even really
thinking about doing this for a living yet, but it
was just so cool to read, like this guy got
behind closed doors and like got to see everything. And so, like,
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you know, a few weeks ago at the Super Bowl,
I think we all had a feeling this might be
it for him, and a lot of us wound up.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
You know, he told some of us, and the.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Fact that I stayed quiet for another couple of weeks
after that it's like a tribute to him too. But
you know, I had sort of done some groundwork to
set up some access after the game with the Chiefs,
and you know, I was hoping to get Andy and
I've got a good relationship with Andy, and you know,
I saw Peter walk in and Peter had kind of
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like had like a tough week just you know, like
it got a little sick and everything. And so Peter
walked by, Peter walked by me with Andy into the office,
and I just like instinctively knew, like I'm not going
to push like that's Peter's Peter's got this great relationship
with him, and you know, it hit me like you know,
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that teenage kid I was was reading that story and
the tight Ends coach in that Packers team was Andy Reid,
and so it was like one of those like definitely,
that's how you do the job, you know, like that's
how you do the job. Is like you build relationships
and you find a way to get people to trust you,
and you get access and you don't burn them when
they give you that access, and then you build and
build and build and people learn.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
To trust you. And that was Peter was so good
at that.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
And you know, like when I came aboard in sixteen
and left NFL Network, and he had sort of sold
me on the idea that you know, hey, you could
you could you know, eventually succeed me and I in
a couple of years, I'm gonna probably hand the call
call him off to you if you do a good enough job,
which you know is what wound up happening in eight team.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It was almost surreal.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
And I can remember telling my agent just negotiating with
NFL Network because I wanted I was like that opportunity
to follow in his footsteps, Like I just kind of
had him up on this pedestal in my head the
same way I did Will McDonough, and I got to
be like that was like to me, like the greatest
thing I've accomplished is like the two guys I maybe
looked up to most or Will McDonough and Peter King,
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and I wound up in both of their jobs. And
you know, like so I felt the pressure every week
of having to keep up with him. I thought, like
in eighteen, like, oh yeah, you're gonna ride off into
the sunset. And then he winds up like like like
winds up at NBC, and now instead of like succeed
just succeeding, it's like I'm competing with him. But that
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was a great gift too, because like you know, the
the gift of competition and I love competition.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I've always been really competitive since I was a little kid.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
And the gift of that pressure and knowing I had
to be on it every week, and like, if I
had a chance to get eyeballs on what I was doing,
I had to clear this bar that he's set and
possibly high. I mean, I don't know that I ever
cleared that bar, but it may be so much better
having to compete with him on a week to week basis.
And I'm like, after six years of doing the Monday thing,
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like staying up all night after games during the season
and all of that, Like, I am in complete of
what he's been able to carry into his sixties. And
he's had the energy and the passion to do it.
He's everything that's right about our business. I think it's
probably the easiest way to put it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So very cool, nice tribute right there.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
How much of that building is on going for you
as we look around at what's happening here this week.
As far as the relationships, yeah, I mean it's an
important I mean the like this, the combine, you know,
the Senior Bowl, those are important weeks just as far
as seeing people, and yeah, I mean I think it's
the power FaceTime is really important, and I, you know,
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I really kind of came to a real I always
knew it, but I came to a realization of during
the pandemic where you know, I felt like, to some
degree I had an advantage over other people because I
did have the roll of decks and so when things
did shut down, my access wasn't cut off, Like I
didn't need to show.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Up to a building to get a hold of somebody.
And I, you know, I was like, this isn't so bad,
Like this works for me. And then the summer twenty one,
you know, I went on my training camp trip and
I just remember like the feeling of being face to
face with people again and interacting with people on that
level again and.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Being able to just you know, shoot with people again.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Sorry for my language, but like no connectivity, but like
the ability to do that like that was priceless. And
I think, like as much as like this isn't as
much as it's like a big event and they're going
to pass the rules and you know, all the coaches
talk on the record, it's it's way more valuable to
me to just be able to see everybody and to
be able to and if there's somebody who's helped me
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with somebody something like being able to thank them in
person for it.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Like all that stuff is so import to what I do.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And I've always liked the league meetings because it's more
of an intimate feel and you do have that opportunity
to go out and speak to people, and maybe you
don't have those opportunities during the regular season when we're
just constantly running. Let me ask you this Jets off season.
We know their twenty twenty four success is going to
be tied to the health of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
What do you make of the way Joe Douglas is
kind of attacked the spring today?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Yeah, I think, like whatere the Jets wanted to be
was in a place where they'd have some flexibility with
a tenth overall pick.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
In other words, like, I think.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
If you had asked me a month ago, Oh, they
have to take a tackle, you know what I mean,
look at ted like, no question about it, mark it down.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Whoever the best tackle is, they're taking them. End of story. Like, A,
that's not the best way to do business, and B
that's a tough spot. To put a rookie in.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
And so I think, you know, part of the idea
here is how do you create a scenario where you
can give yourself flexibility and you don't have to press
a need And if the player that lands at that
position to your spot at ten, if you if you're
not wild about him, you do have other options. And
so I think, you know, what they did on the
offensive line was massive, you know, like I think being
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able to get those three guys in for a base
like a like base pay of eighteen million dollars collectively
now obviously if they play well to wind up being
more than that, but to Travor Morgan, Moses, who you
have who you know, to sign John Simpson who's coming
from a program that you know obviously Joe Douglas knows
that John Harbaugh program really well. And then to be
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able to go and get you know, a Hall of
Fame level player although he's not maybe what he was,
still a really good player in Tyron Smith. I think
they've given themselves the flexibility now where like let's say,
I don't know, let's say Olufashanu and Joe Alt are
gone at ten and they really like Dallas Turner and
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they feel like Dallas Turner can help them replace you
know what they're going to lose with Brice Off then
they can do that, right or they think, okay, like
maybe we want to add a receiver to the group,
right like and I and Mike Williams is another one
that kind of helps give them some flexibility where they
don't have to press the need opposite Garrett Wilson, Well
they could add and they could you know, say like
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Roma Dunze false them. Well there's the flexibility maybe to
take a Roma Dunze. So I think they put themselves
in a position where I don't think there's a spot
where you say, yeah, they have to take care of
that in the first or second round, which is where
you want to be going into the draft.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I know a lot of people watching this and listening
to this, who are Jets fans for the playmaker? At
this point of course everything if one of those top
three receivers are there, maybe even a brock Bauers, where
do you stand because you just talked about the contracts, Yeah,
framed up essentially these are one year deals for Tyrant
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Smith and then Morgan Moses last year of his contract.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
How would you weigh that?
Speaker 6 (30:06):
I mean, I would definitely weigh it, you know, I
think it's something you certainly have to look at. You know,
not only are those guys on one year contracts are
also pretty old, you know, Like so, like you're talking
about guys who you know, it's hard to count on
them for twenty and twenty five, you know, whether they're
signed or not. So I think you absolutely have to
get someone in the pipeline.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
What I'm saying is you don't have to do in
the first round if you don't necessarily want to. You
could pick somebody developmental guy in the third round whatever.
And it's hard to find tackles outside of the first
round than it is other positions. But like I do
think like you have again you have that flexibility where
you know, if it's a Bowers, if it's in a Dunze,
whoever it is that's available, they're at ten, you can
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pull the trigger on something like that and find another
way to address the tackle position or punt till next
season on it. And again, like you know, find a
developmental guy further down the road I think would be
part of that pot.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
How would you go about picking your spots here when
they do have an AFC coach's breakfast.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It started to give it a little background.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Starts at seven forty five and more it goes to
eight fifteen of all the guys talking to the same time,
and I'm asking you.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Jets questions, but you from a national perspective.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Sure, I figure everything that's said in there is going
to be on the internet by noon, Okay, you know
what I mean. Like, so like there's not like this
great value for me and going in there and like hey,
like I'm gonna come out with X, Y or Z,
like it just all that stuff becomes news so quickly.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Everything that's in there becomes news so quickly.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
So I like to say a lot to some people
and then to me, it's like whoever the newsmaker is,
you know, Like today I think it was Harbaugh, Like
going and seeing Jim Harbaugh and like getting to see him,
like getting getting to see him like talk about being
back in the NFL and seeing like his mannerisms and
the excitement on his face, like he looks fired up
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to be back.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Like and obviously he's entertaining too, But it's a different
guy than I remember when he was with the Niners.
Like when he was with the Niners, he's way more reserved,
Like you get him on the wrong day and it
was really tough to crack, and like now it just
seems more relaxed, more open and look like he, like
everybody else in that room's undefeated right now. So we'll see,
you know what I mean, Like but but but but
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but it was like just the idea just getting to
see that, you know, getting to see Mike Tomlin talk about,
just like looking for the mannerisms, the way that like
he's reacting to the questions, like some of that. So
I think you're sort of looking for I I at
least am like what value can I extract from this?
And like, for me, the value isn't like okay, like
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I'm gonna tweet out this or that.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
It's it's more if there's news to follow up on,
or there's somebody who's going to be a newsmaker.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
It's like getting in front of them and seeing them
talk and seeing the way that you know, cause you
can tell the way people kind of the way that
people kind of talk about certain things, the way again
their mannerisms you can read into those sorts of things
and file them away.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So that's part of what I try to do.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Totally different landscape for the Jets this year, because last
year at league meetings we were talking about, ye hey, what's.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Gonna happen with Aaron Rodgers. We know Aaron Rodgers is
going to be back.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Robert Salace said today he's going to be on a mission,
obviously coming back from that Achilles. Do you think that
Robert is embracing being more out of the spotlight here
this offseason?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
The spotlight always can return.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
But you know, I mean, I think I think you know,
the spotlight is going to return the minute to minute
coverage of of his return from the Achilles, and so
I guarantee you there will be no lack of media
at the first availability during OTA is to see how
he's moving around and everything else. And it's not like
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it's not gonna be like it was last year, you know.
But I do think going through that probably helps, you
know what I mean, and having gone through the scrutiny
and you know, understanding what that was last year and
being ready for it this year and being able to
get your players ready for it. You know, I think
that I think that can serve a purpose. So yeah,
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I think I think Robert probably And you know, like
I think he's always been pretty pretty blunt and open
and like, uh like hard on a sleeve type of guy.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I'm not talking out of school when I say that, Like,
you know, I.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Think you can maybe see a little bit of a
more more of a acceptance of like everything that's coming
along with it.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And let's then here, how about the other guy who's
partnered with Joe Douglas. He talked about his moves and
free agency. Uh, he's openly acknowledged. Hey, listen, we got
to win. Both these guys have talked about we have
to win. How do you go about your business if
you're a g I'm your football architect where you're dealing
with the four year old quarterback, you know what that
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window is, but you also want to build in the
long term as well, well.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Right, Yeah, I mean I think it's I think that's
the part that's interesting for Joe. And I think Joe's
actually again like they have to win and he hasn't
made the playoffs yet and it's been it's been a while.
And I think everybody, Robert, Joe, all the guys know
the score on that, but I do think you know,
like part of it is just hitting on your draft picks.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
And it's that simple, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Like, so, when Aaron walks away at whether it's after
this year, after next year, do you have playing in
place at quarterback? Do you have resources to go get one?
And then what does the core around the next quarterback
look like?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Right? And that's where again, like that tenth pick becomes
really important. Right, So is it.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Okay we have Olufashan who is our left tackle of
the future, and now the core is Olu Garrett Wilson,
Quinnin and Williams, Sauce, Gardner, Breese Hall. I think you
can actually start to talk your way through it, and
you can see there are a lot of good pieces.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Like Jermaine Johnson took us a step last year.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
So I think that's the beauty of the spot the
Jets are in. And what's interesting about it too, is
that like, as you're offloading Rogers contract, you're probably going
to be onboarding some more big contracts because like those
guys are not going to be on rookie deals forever. No,
And I think hitting on draft picks has given them
the flexibility to build aggressively around Aaron. But that's it's
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just like when you have the quarterback on a rookie
deal that doesn't last forever. Garrett Wilson's eventually going to
need to be paid. Sauce Gardner is eventually going to
need to be paid. Jermaine Johnson, if he plays well,
could be there too. And obviously Quentnen is there, you know.
So I think that's sort of the dynamic that you're
looking at where it's going to shift in a year
or two from quarterback heaving model to you hope that
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that young core is in place and supports whoever the
next quarterback is.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I appreciate your time as all got it.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
We're now joined by Ian rep Report of NFL Networker.
Of course, what has been the reaction here at the
annual elite meetings to the new hip drop.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
To I think here it's been really positive, you know,
getting it out of the game. To me, it's it's
more of sort of an obvious thing, right, I mean,
it's it's a play that causes far more injuries than
any other similar play. I mean I watched Mark Andrews
go down with the broken leg I've seen Gino Smith
on the sideline. Kenyan Drake was tweeting yesterday about how
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his career was forever altered by hip drop tackle that
broke his leg. I mean, it's it. To me, it's
it's way more dangerous than than almost any other tackle,
and you have a play that's so obviously not right.
Getting it out of the game to me makes sense.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
I see the the defensive players on social media speaking out, Yeah,
definitely get.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
It, and their response is like, what do you expect
me to do?
Speaker 7 (37:49):
And you know, I think the NFL's response is not
that not something where you can so obviously injure a
player plenty of other ways to tackle.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
I don't think it really takes away.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Defender's ability, just hopefully will void of player's legs napig
in a half, which I think is good.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
That certainly would be good unanimous vote by the owners
here don in Orlando, Florida. Yeah, NFC coach's breakfast just
wrapped up. I went over to the Dallas Cowboys table
to hear their coach, Mike McCarthy address reporters. What do
you think about the Jets edition of Tyrone Smith and
free agency?
Speaker 7 (38:22):
I mean, I think it has the possibility to be,
you know, kind of season changing move, right. I mean,
if you Tyron Smith went healthy, is one of the
best tackles in the NFL, you know, top three.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
I mean, he's a rock star and.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Has been throughout his career, and like, you know, there
was some years where he missed significant time with injury
and you're like, what's it going to be like when
he comes back? And then you look at him on
the field and he's the same, He's exactly the same.
Health is going to be a question. I think the
Jets protected themselves with the contract, and you're gonna have
to manage him. You know, he's not gonna practice all
the time. You're gonna have to be okay with that.
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But he is really one of the like experts at
his craft, and you'll see like when like there will
be games when you will basically not notice that he's
on the field. Like that's what it's really like, and
it hasn't been like that for a while for the Jets.
You know, again, if healthy, I think it has a
chance to be an unbelievably significant.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Signing, potential future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know all decade,
like you know, and it's it's like when you're deciding
the Hall of Fame and I don't do that, you know,
but I do follow it very closely. What you always
think about is like did he have an era? Was
he the best tackle of his era? And like tired Smith?
Speaker 5 (39:37):
That an era?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
I mean's you know, all Pro every year, Pro Bowl
every year. I mean that's again like the kind of
guy you literally forget exists because you don't even think
about him.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
One time during the game.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
We knew the Jets were going to address the offensive
line free agency. That was emphasis number one for Joe Douglas.
What do you think about the connection there with Baltimore
John Simpson, twenty six year old guard who's kind of
restarted his career last year after starting off with the Raiders,
and then he comes back and trades for Morgan Moses
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as a former Jet.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
So you know, there are plenty of ways to miss
in free agency.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
We see it every year, right, It's like you take
a guy who you know, you sort of you watch
and you've studied, and you're like, all right, he's in
this system, We're gonna put him on our system.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
And we're gonna go.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
And then sometimes with new coaches or new systems, it
doesn't work. So familiarity is a great way to help
free agent decisions work. Right, So when you have people
you know well, and obviously you know Joe Douglas knows
a lot of people in Baltimore, well, you have some
systems similarities, you know, or let's just say a guy
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has played for the organization before. You're not like no
one's wondering, like for Morgemoses, Like no one's wondering what
kind of person Morgemoses is.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
We know.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
That's how you do well in free agency, I think
is you get guys who you you know well from
places you trust, and you put them in to do
exactly what they did the previous year.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
And one thing that Robert Sala talked about here in
Orlando was the mindset is very important upfront, and I
think that people automatically think addressing an offensive line, you
want to take care of Aaron Rodgers. We know that,
But seems like the Jets are gonna be well equipped
to run the football.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
With these additions in brisall behind them.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
I mean it's the same though, right, It's like great
way to take care of a quarterback is to run
the heck out of the ball and like force the
defense to really defend it and force them to be tired.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
And like there's all it's all complimentary.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
I mean, I'm I'm curious about Breese Hall anyway, because
like what we saw last year was you know, at
times I think he was amazing, but probably not one
hundred percent like himself. Like now the full off season,
no injuries, like he's probably gonna be better, and he
was already very good. So it's like if you you can,
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you know, rely on the running game, not kind of
like used, but like really rely on it, then you
really might have something. And I think historically when you
get older quarterbacks, you know, look, Rogers is going to
make plays to win games.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
He is going to keep the offense running.
Speaker 7 (42:17):
He is going to be I think, really really good,
like he basically always has been. But historically older quarterbacks
have thrived by making plays when you need to, but
really relying on the run game, right, I mean we
saw I mean Peyton Manning and Denver was you know,
is an example that that comes to mind. I Mean
there's plenty of others, but that can really help, and
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you know you talk about like keeping guys healthy, keeping
rogers healthy, like being able to run the heck out
of the bable help.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
A good transition there to Mike Williams because the Jets
brought up the timeline with Bryce Hall. In terms of
Mike Williams, the former Charger signs here and he tore
his ACL week three last year, you're gonna have to
take a slow approach, but they want him ready for
week one and they could have a similar arc what
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we saw from.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Breeze Hall last year. That would be huge.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
Yeah, you're you're gonna you're gonna like Michael Yeah, yeah,
I mean, you were gonna like Michae Williams.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
It's just funny.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
He was briefly an abillity. It seems like a character.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Well yeah, and the whole sandwich thing I thought was
extremely funny. Like I will generally roll my eyes at
like sort of social media creations like that was very
organic and extremely funny.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Are you gonna shout out the Jets social team here?
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (43:36):
I mean I I retweeted it. I thought it was
and it was funny for me. And I know this
isn't what you asked, but like I was that day.
I was doing something else where. I wasn't like staring
at my phone the whole day, and so like, the
Jets retweeted a sandwich, and.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
I'm like, what's happening here? Like I wasly I missed something.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
I don't know what I missed, And I texted Golfer
and I'm like, what's happening here? Like, and so I
like went back and read alt. I'm like, oh my god,
this is so funny. And I was just like and
he played along great and then went to the basketball
game and had the sandwich.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
I thought it was very funny.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
But I'm just saying, like, on the field, you are
going to like him because and you know, like Daniel
Jeremiah and I are pretty close, and he does radio
for the Chargers and it's one of his favorite players.
Tom Telesco, I know, the former general manager for the
Chargers now with the Raiders, one of his favorite players.
I think the main reason is because you know, when
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you get important moments of the game, your quarterback is
going to have to be under pressure and throw it
up and let the receiver go make a catch.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
And he is awesome.
Speaker 7 (44:42):
At just going up and catching it, like on the sideline,
deep routes like big plays like tough as anything, like
you are going to really really like him acl wise,
you know, Okay, you hope that this is a Jets
team that is playing meaningful games in decent in January.
Obviously you would like all the players playing at full
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speed when the season starts.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
If that's not reality, like that's.
Speaker 7 (45:07):
Okay, Yeah, I think the main thing for Mike Williams
whose you have him when the games really matter.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
How interesting?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Now are the Jets at ten in the first round
and you guys continue to talk about quarterbacks at the
top of the draft, and that's where the dominoes start falling,
And then where are the Jets going to be?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Like their situation do.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
You ultimately think because you talked about addressing the offensive line,
which we saw free agency, and then they get a
receiver of Big X and Mike Williams so defensively did
some tinkering. That's going to be an elite unit. But
do you like the options they now have?
Speaker 5 (45:44):
Well?
Speaker 7 (45:44):
Yeah, I mean and I would say, like you talk
about like quarterback, like the Jets have done quarterback work,
you know, like do they take one in the first round,
like I don't know who's going.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
To be there.
Speaker 7 (45:53):
If a top guy they like a lot is there,
like and they could, oh, I don't know, sit him
for two years behind one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
I'm like, we know that can work.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
So if they have a quarterback they like, like, I
would think it'd be great, And I think Rogers would
handle that different than he did early in his career.
But even still, like, you know, if if the Jets
take one and it turns out to be what Jordan
Love is now in Green Bay, that's the biggest win
you could have as an organization. They don't have to
do what they did to get Rogers. So I think,
to me, if the right guy's there, that could be
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an option. They now like the Yes, they address tackle,
but what if a great franchise tackle falls to them.
They're like, could you take one, make them a swing tackle,
play Tyran for a year, and then install them.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
They're like, yeah, you could, Like that's how it works.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
That's literally what the Cowboys did and letting Tyron goes,
they have Tyer Smith come play left tackle. Like, could
you get an elite receiver, you know, one of the
top three guys who somehow falls to ten.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Like, could it's a really really good spot?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Could you see that happening one of the elite receivers?
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Well, let's think about it.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So let's assume the top three.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
Let's assume that quarterbacks go one, two, three, and maybe four. Okay,
so then you have three receivers, you have probably two tackles.
You have at least one edge rusher maybe more like,
there's only so many picks, so someone is going to
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get there, and you know, I would say, you know,
could the Jets jump up a little bit for a
guy they really like?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Could? Could they you know, move back?
Speaker 7 (47:38):
And if someone is like dying to get one of
those receivers, here's the sort of problem or issue whatever
you'd say with having such a deep receiver draft is
you actually don't have to get one early because you'll
get a What are the Jets picking the second round?
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Don't have a pick in the second round right now?
Speaker 1 (47:54):
They got seven selections, that's right, so they'll come back
in the third round. So people are saying, like, to
your point about flexibility and options, maybe go down if you.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Come back and get a second round.
Speaker 7 (48:06):
But let's okay, but let's say I forgot that didn't
have a second rounder, but because that was the Rogers pick.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (48:11):
Yeah, so let's say which I mean, you know, annoying
to not have a second round or thank god it's
not a first round. That was one of the best
things Joe Douglas ever did was keeping that first rounder.
They will get a second round talent receiver in the
third round if that's where they go, so like, they
have plenty of options. I don't think they need one
in the first round.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah. You guys had a segment yesterday where TP Tom
Palisaro was saying a lot of executives here wouldn't be
surprised if Washington went in the direction of Michigan quarterback
JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
I heard that.
Speaker 7 (48:50):
I wouldn't be surprised by anything, because the one thing
I know draft wise is that you know, you get
to this point of the year and everyone's short of envisions.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
They think the draft is gonna go.
Speaker 7 (49:01):
You say, well, obviously Kill's going one, and then you
know it'd be Drake may or Jane Daniels at two
or three, and then McCarthy, you know, probably goes four.
And you're like, well, and everyone sort of says that enough,
and the mock draft said that enough that you think
that's the way it's gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
But like, if JJ McCarthy's good enough to go four,
why would he not be good enough to go two?
Speaker 7 (49:22):
If Jane Daniels is good enough to go three, why
would he not be good enough to go two?
Speaker 5 (49:27):
I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (49:28):
And that's sort of the I mean, the draft is
literally the best. But that's why it's so fun is
because truly nobody knows.
Speaker 5 (49:36):
And if even.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
If Washington liked McCarthy enough to take him at two,
they're not gonna tell anyone until they get to be
on the clock, right.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I know, you got to go do a live spot.
I want to end to hear.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Robert Salah talked about hey being quiet around the jets
right now.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Do you anticipate that picks up again?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
As far as the lights being bright and this franchise
once Aaron Rodgers returns again and he's there in the
spring and in the summer.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
I don't think it'll be like last year.
Speaker 7 (50:09):
I don't think it's gonna be the wild expectations. I
don't think it's gonna you know, it's it's gonna be
a little more measured. Same success is still potentially out there,
you know, I think, but I don't think it's gonna
be like, you know, I'll be at training camp again.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
I'm sure.
Speaker 7 (50:26):
I don't think it'll be the absolute pandemony of like,
oh my god, we got Rogers, which is fine.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Everyone will sort of settle in a little bit.
Speaker 7 (50:32):
The news will be gone and will just be like
a regular good team, which is a great place to be.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
It's never gonna be.
Speaker 7 (50:38):
Quiet because it's New York. So I heard Sala say like, oh,
you know, under the rate. I'm like, no, never gonna be,
but not like last year, which is a totally.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Fine place to be.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Great Senior, thank you so much
Speaker 5 (50:50):
Thank you man, thanks for having me.
They're with a good friend of the Official Tests podcast,
that's Charles Davis.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
How has this week been for you in Orlando?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's been great.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
You know, live in the area, so driving back and
forth has been a lot easier.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Than getting on a plane and being there.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Although if you're getting on a plane and going to
an owner's meeting, usually stand at a pretty nice place. Yes,
pretty nice location, good weather, the whole deal. So no
one's ever going to be that upset if they have
to cover it. But the rules changes that came out
of it, so there's plenty of attention that kicked in. Obviously,
this is different than going to a combine or a
(00:36):
pre draft deal, although that's still hovers right because all
the coaches, they're here doing their thing, but at the
same time they're worried, Okay, what are we doing with
the draft? Free agency is essentially done right, you know,
all those things that kick in, But the rule stuff
is really what I think is coming out of this
is grabbing it all.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Now we're going to be modified kickoff.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
We're going to be able to have that replay assist
that hey, if something is egregiously wrong, un roughing the
passer and things of that nature, we can take it off,
which I think fans are going to like. My only
concern about doing what we're doing, and I'm glad we're
doing it slowly in terms of that replay assist is
because you know, sky Judge immediately comes into play, right,
(01:16):
sky Judge, I've always said, and I still maintain it
is a wonderful idea and concept, but it's going to
be a human being who's going to be the sky Judge.
You tell me, over the course of seventeen games, what
you want is a sky Judge never to be involved,
because that means things are perking along. But let's say
you go two, three, four, or five games and the
(01:37):
sky Judge isn't involved. Human nature is hey, I'm here
at some point, does that sky Judge need when they
don't need to? That's the only thing I worry about
when we get there. But we're not there yet, so
I'm just gonna kick back and watch. But I do
like the fact that, hey, if you didn't hit him
in the head, yeah, take.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It off, yes, and let's keep it moving.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The only thing, the last thing I would say is
we're getting replay assists on other things already. I still
think we can move faster. I don't know how you feel,
but I watch games, I'm doing games and what have you,
and you just see how long it takes to get
in position to make the call.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Let's move it.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, no, offense and officials. No, I'm one of their
biggest advocates. Oh yeah, but I do think that they
can move quicker on stuff like that to keep the
pace of game going. I just don't understand why it
takes a long getting positioned to get the camera shot.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Now you can go quicker.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh, I agree with that. So you mentioned the kickoff.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, what do you.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Think about the change?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Then?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
What do you think this means for special team cordinators
throughout the National Football leagu Right.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Now, I'll start with your second part.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It means that they continue to be employed at the
level that we're employed already. That's the first part. The
second part is I'm excited about it for this reason.
I hated the alternative. The alternative is we were edging
towards taking the kickoff totally game.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'm old school. I like the kickoff.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I I like the opportunity it presents, but where we
were going because of safety, the kickoff was rendered Nolan void.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I understand kickers are too powerful, right.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I don't know how you feel about it, but my
theory on kickers is there's never been a time in
our game when the athletes are as good now kicking
the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
They're flat out athletes.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
This isn't the oldest had historic season for Greg Zerline.
He was incredible, right, And I.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Bet you Greg Greg Zerlines testing in the weight room
is good. I'll bet you if you went on a
basketball court or on you know, on a rank and
maybe he shoots out. I don't know what others other
sports are, but Bay's really good at them.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I don't know what he did in high school because
I haven't looked, But typically when I do a game,
I do a little dive on the kickers and the punters,
and I always find that they're all state, and a
lot of them are all state in position football, not
just kicking. Or this guy was a striker in soccer
and he scored forty seven goals and he did that,
or he was you know, all conference baseball play back
(03:58):
when I was a kid, he ran over to the
year soccer team and said, can we have someone kick
the ball for us?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
On Friday night.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And the guys off to the side on the field.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And that was it. But now you're getting this whole deal.
But I do like the fact that returners can get
back in it. The special teams, coaches can scheme. Is
it going to look really weird, Yes, But the alternative
is put the ball in twenty five yard line and
we have modified eighth grade scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I hate that. I hate that.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I was just talking to Mike Arra follow about this.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
He said that some of the returners in the past
they could go stretch where you're actually going to have
to look for a different returner.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You got to hit it, right, I think.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And what I like about it is it was announced
also while we're here that the Hall of Fame game
is Houston versus Chicago because of who's going into the
Hall of Fame. Right, one of those people for Chicago's
Devin Hester. That's right, Who's going into Hall of Fame
because of his ability to return to football. We were
not going to get another Devin Hester at the rate
we were going. If you're Cardero Patterson, your phone's probably
(04:56):
ringing off the hook right now with this rule change.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah that hey, we get you.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Back in the game, and you're gonna have a chance
to actually return kicks. That's a whole different deal. So
I can't wait to watch this. I'm excited about it.
I never thought we'd get something from the XFL the USFL.
It'd be worth anything.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Real we are.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
This is what we're getting their ability to put that
type of thing. I can't remember which league it was,
because I'll be honest, I didn't watch a single down
and I had no intention of watching a single down
of XFL and USFL balls. Zero interest. All Right, I've
got enough football. Give it to me for real. If
a guy was gonna make it out of that league, okay,
i'd be able to watch him when he made it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I didn't care. But guess what, I know.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
This rule was there, and this rule allows us now
to keep the kickoff in the game. And I like
the psychological aspect. I wait an entire week to start
a start for a football game. I love the fact
that the final explosion of it starting has been the kickoff.
You know that that anticipation ball on the t You
(06:00):
know what it's like, All of a sudden, you're at
the edge of your seat, You're standing up in the stadium,
boom ball hits foot and off we go. We haven't
had the second part for a long time, meaning someone
catching it and bringing it out in the first contact
of the game, and here we go.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now we're gonna have it again.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know the draft so well.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I hope, I hope. So you've got a lot of
work to do.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, the Jets.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, after their free agency period, we've had our initial waves.
They have seven overall selections right now, tenth in the
first round. What do you think this is shaping up
from where they are?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
What is the picture for the Jets.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I think it's got multiple places for them.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I know Timon Smith was signed, yep, I know Morgan
Moses was signed, but that doesn't mean that that's long term.
So offensive tackle, there's gonna be a plecor of guys
at ten that the Jets should have there have pick
up if the Chargers at five, and this is without trades, Okay,
if the Chargers at five wanted to go tackle, it
makes sense. If the Titans at seven want to go tackle,
(07:11):
it makes even more sense. The Jets could be in
a position without any movement at all to get one
of the top rated tackles, and there are plenty of
them in this draft. If you want to say, can
I get a receiver? Oh, yes you can. Because if
this draft goes away, we're thinking and now I'm going
to bring a trade into it, we could go one, two,
(07:31):
three four at the top. Yes, Minnesota we know is
marshaled up for it. Las Vegas has made no bones
about the idea. They want to go up and get
a quarterback. Okay, so let's go one, two, three four
right out of the gate. So now those receivers have
been pushed, the tackles have been pushed. Those are both
prime spots for the Jets. And oh, by the way,
(07:53):
the best tight end in the draft. Now people have
talked about are we getting a return on investment for
for that guy? Okay, because Kyle Pitt, Hey, let me
tell youself. Is he not one of the best?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Ye, great people, every outstanding man. I'm looking you never
know it's gonna come by.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I never know. I'm looking forward to watch him do
his thing. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
But the return on investment and the tight end taking
in the top ten hasn't been what we've wanted it
to be.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But this kid Bowers. Could he be that exceptional one.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Heck, I'm thinking again without trades, it starts at five
for him, it starts at five with the Chargers, but
he also could end up going in the twenties. Yeah,
that's what it's like with this because to me, it's
him and Chase at the tight end position. Okay, no
offense to the rest of the tight ends, but there's
not even close between Bowers and the rest of them
in my and my humble opinion. But tackles plenty of them,
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receivers plenty of them. You know, if you want an
edge guy, an edge rusher, you might want to go
get him early because there aren't a ton of them.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
In the first round of.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
My opinion, again, I'm looking at at Lay two out
oft of out of UCLA, verse out of Florida State, Dallas,
Turner out of out of Alabama. However, people want to
rank them. Consensus kind of feels like Turner one, Lay
two two, verse three. But everyone has their different opinion
and flavor. If you want one, do you want to
go get him at ten? You know, I mean, that's
(09:22):
that's the question for different people.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Robert Zala never can have enough drus have enough edge rusher,
but the fan base is ready for an offensive playmaker
or off.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
As a playmaker.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It makes it makes perfect sense, and those guys could
be there. And let's face it, if we do go
back to because I'm flipping between no trades and trade right,
So stay with me, everyone, we all, let's let's flips
what Joe talked about yesterday. He's got flexibility. Let's slip
back to trade. Let's go one, two, three, four, quarterback, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten tackles. Receivers are going to get a lot of
(09:54):
play in that time frame. Where do you land on
who's sitting there? What if Roma Dunes they sitting there?
What if Malik Neighbors is sitting there? Whoa Marvin Harrison
junior in an upset doesn't become the first receiver off
the board, which can happen. People have different feelings about
who they like. Wow, okay, what about your tackles. Okay,
(10:15):
we've got Joe wall Olu Fashano right to Lise Fluaga.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Where were going?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And that's just the first chunk of guys that we're
talking about as we sprinkle through the draft. And oh yeah,
let's say that let's play another game one, two, three quarterbacks.
Now the trading starts and what have you. Yep, no
one decides to take quarterback. There the fourth corvet doesn't
come off the board. It's not it's not as eedgton
Stone as it comes off the board.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So now we're pushing that down a little bit. Now
what happens? Guess what?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You're sitting there at ten and that fourth hasn't come
off the board yet. Someone gets itchy. Can Joe Douglas
make that move where? Okay, I can drop a little bit,
accumulate some more and still get the player the.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Type player I want.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
WHOA.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Now, you're right, I think Chica is probably where that
starts at nine to me, because they're not giving away one. Okay,
the card hasn't been written and engraved yet, but we're
pretty sure it's gonna be Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay, I think, uh.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
The league is going to tell them don't turn it
in right away on the first night, so we could
have some time for TV, some suspense, just a little
time for TV, and then they'll give them the nod.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You can turn it in.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But at nine, if you're Chicago and and and all
of a sudden things have kind of flipped in the
right direction.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
If you're if you're Ryan Poles, Hello, yes, hello, I.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Can move a little, accumulate more and continue to get
my team better. And they made a nice move and
last probably where they five and three down the stretch,
they feel good about themselves and they need to continue
to get better because now you're dealing with Detroit, you're
dealing with Green Bay. And Minnesota didn't fall back as
far as we thought, as far as I thought they
would last year. I thought they'd fall back farther. I
(11:52):
give Kevin O'Connell a great deal of credit. He did
a wonderful job. Oh he really is.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Safety is a positions that Jets still are going to.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Be not at ten, not time, but not at ten
probably three.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, what can you tell us about this group overall?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I'm going to tell you a guy that many people
thought we were going to be able to talk about
day three. And again, let's make sure we define day three.
It's round four through seven. So a lot of times
when you just talk you say, oh, he's a Day
three guy, sounds like, oh god, a lot you know better.
I'm just saying fans were aware day three. It's not
bad at all.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
That's where your teams are made. This kid out of
Utah Cole Bishop. I'm crazy about it. You And then
when he ran four four five at the combine, I
think some more people got crazy about him because I
think people liked him a lot, but they weren't sure
athletically what he would be. He comes from the same
school as Eric Weddle, so I don't want to make
that comparison, but you remember the doubts about Weddle coming
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out people, that's one of the few I actually got right.
And I think you can ask Eric Weddle because I
did not realize because a lot of times you don't
think about who's listening to what have you. But he
told me and actually put it out there that I
always believed in him.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, and I did. I loved Eric Weddle coming out,
and you saw the career he had.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Again, this kid isn't Eric Weddle, but coming out of
Utah with some doubts, I just think he cleans up
everything in front of him. He plays the game with intelligence,
he's around the football where he's supposed to be. He
was a prime candidate to be around round four and
be there for you. The four four five might have pushed.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Him a little. We'll just have to see when the
run starts on those safe.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's a good tip.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You always have those guys who aren't necessarily on everybody's radar.
You talked about the top three receivers. How good is
this class? And if you don't, if you're the Jets,
you picked up Mike Williams, You're going to take a
slow approach with him, so he's ready for week one
with you. Always a big time vertical threat and a big,
(13:58):
big body.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh, they're awfully excited about as they should be. I
think Garrett Wilson is probably one of the most excited
people in the building, but.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
They rounds three and beyond. Do you like this wide receiver?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I do? I do.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I've gotten to the point where I've said this and
I'm gonna keep saying it if we're gonna keep playing
ball the way we're playing it, Okay, where seven on
seven is our AAU basketball because that's where we are now.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
If the kids in Texas wake up in the morning
dreaming of throwing.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
It and catching it as opposed to turning around and
handing it and running the football like we did when
I was a kid, okay, or pitching it in the wishbone,
which we're not doing any more. But that's all you
did when you were a Texas kid. Look at all
the Texas quarterbacks coming out now. Used to be Texas
running backs.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Okay, it's Texas quarterbacks and Texas receivers. That's just one state.
It's all across the country. Pitch and catch, pitch and catch.
Everyone's doing it. Everyone's playing it. Kids are getting scholarship
offers off of seven on and seven without people even
watching tape to see if they can play with pads on.
So this is where the game is gone. So as
long as we're gonna keep playing the game this way,
(15:08):
I think you and I will have this conversation for
as long as I'm lucky enough to be employed. Right
that every year we're gonna go. You know, it's a
pretty deep group of receivers. Okay, where you gonna We're
you gonna play a guy like Malakai Corley from Western Kentucky. Okay,
people are doing the Deebo Samuel's Light thing because of
the build and all, maybe not quite as polished as
(15:30):
Debo coming out, but that type of a body frame,
not as strong, but still makes his living off of
catching it short and turning into something big. Yea, you
know where does he end up going for something like that?
You know, it's a kid out of holy Cross coming
out who had had a nice combine and all of
a sudden you find it. K holy Cross is gonna
be a pretty good, pretty good receiver for us. That's
(15:52):
what we're getting now. I think you're gonna look up
and see Pooka Nakua went and what fifth round last year?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I think? Okay, so so we're gonna spend a lot
of time on that.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I would caution people to be careful with Oh yeah,
well you can get him in the fifth round, all right,
yes you can. But Puka was a little bit more
unique for lack of a better word, and here's why
he was heard every single year at BYU. He went
to the Senior Bowl and was the best player on
the field the first day of the Senior Ball I
think you were there, right, and then what happened?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
He got hurt.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
He impracticed the rest of the week, so durability concerns things.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Pushed him to the fifth talent.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
He was already in the second I'm not saying he
was a first round Okay, I don't think he was
going there, but I think he would have been second, third,
and the latest if he didn't have durability concerns.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Kind of reminds me of Taysom Hill.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Taysom Hill has hurt all the time BYU was' less
say you Heardasom Hill heard in the NFL. It's the
craziest thing, right, Puka went through the entire year like this,
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
How about look at yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Now, did you see four to three something at the
combine coming.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
When he ran that?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I can't say.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I can't say that we did, all right, Maybe some
people South Carolina could, but we saw him into Senior
Bowl and you's no way I would have told you
he was going to run someb for for Okay, big strong,
physical guy.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Loved everything there. Memory's a one year starter.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Kind of reminds me a little bit of Kenyan Drake
coming out of Alabama. Made his bones as a special
teams guy, as a gunner, cover guy. Really one year
of production as a runner, went in the third round.
This kid's very similar, all right, announced the old Nukelelus
announced his presence with authority in the season opener against
North Carolina, where he called it seven or eight balls
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well over one hundred yards and people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That was like the first time he really got to
play full time for them, and then he had a
heck of a year with Spencer Rattler. I like him
a lot. Another big frame guy. Again, since we do
compsole all the time. With that frame, that body that's
DK Metcalf light, you know what I mean. And I
have to say light because it's the one year of
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production Metcalf. You know, we knew his biggest concern was
the injury factor coming out. It's a nice COMPI you know,
but I means look at the body, like we know,
you know, we were all in mobile, right, we all
went who When he walks by, he's one of those
kids that did it, you know. And the tight end position,
THEO Johnson's one of those kids at Penn State when
he walks by, go whoa. And I think he's a
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developing receiver. I think he got better the week of
the of the Senior Ball. I think that he opened
up some eyes and became that guy remember Brenton Strange
came out of there. Last year was the third round.
I think the Jacksonville THEO followed up. He's not just
a blocker, folks. He he he can go out and
catch it a little bit. But again, remember what I
said in the beginning, it's Brock, Bauers and Chase at
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the tight end position. Can you find good players? Certainly,
Jake Ferguson proves that for you. Right, don't always have
to have a Stopwatch with tight ends. Find out they've
have a ways, if they have ways to get open,
if they're elusive.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
If they have that production in college. I'm a big believer.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I believe that because I like Jake Ferguson better than
a lot of people, just because they ran into the
stop Watch and I was like, that's not what That's
not what his game's about. How's that worked out in Dallas? Okay,
Now we'll do another show sometime. We'll go through all
my misses and that'll be the entire show.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You got more hits than missus.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I'd like to think that, but I've got enough misses
that I'm humble enough to know, Hey, this is what
I evaluated.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
This one I got right, this one, I was way wrong.
Not okay.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So that's that's what evaluation, that's what the scouting all does.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But the good.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Ones, the ones we see year in and year out
that are drafting, those teams that make it work, their
their hit rate is much better.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Charles Davis, his hit rate is always up.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
There.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Not too many misses from this guy. Always fun catching
up with you. Good luck to your volunteers. Yes, yes,
at around a sixteen, we're gonna need it. Those Creighton
Blue Jays are tough.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
New Pulses own Charles Davis, go Huguenots. We're down here
at the league meetings in Orlando, Florida. Eric Allen joined
by Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
How many league meetings is this for you?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
In the sprint, I don't know. God, the first one
would have been for me. I think oh nine, I
didn't go my first few years covering the league, and
then oh nine, it was, believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It was in Los Angeles. It was at the Saint.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Regis, Oh, believe in Monarch Beach, which is like all
the way down in Dana Point.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
YEP. It was unbelievable and I'll never forget.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
What I remember about that most was they were preparing
for the lockout, which was still two years away, and
they were and Roger got up there and was saying
how the economic realities of the league changed.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And TJ. Simers, who had been an old.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Columnist at the La Times you probably remember the name,
basically says Tom Roger look around and like the Pacific
oceans behind him, and there's this unbelievable golf course. It's
like Roger, like, look behind you. Are we sure that
you're having economic problems?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So?
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Uh so, yeah, this would be like fifteen to six them,
So this would have been oh nine, I mean I
I yeah, something like that. Let's be yeah somewhere in there.
How about you personally?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Now, after Peter King announced his retirement, what has that
been like and how much of an influence did he have.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
In career?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I've told people this and I think, well, it's almost
like he doesn't get credit for how good he was
before he did the Monday column. You know what, I
I can remember a story that had an impact on
me as a kid, and this is.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Like a full circle thing for me with his last game.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
So you know, I I remember, I think I was
in high school, and you know, I'm I was the
kid growing up like a lot of us, like the
ran into the mailbox every Thursday to get sports illustrated out,
you know what I mean, Like and and so he
had just unbelievable access to the Packers for an entire week.
And this was like when they at the top of
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the league, with Brett Farves the quarterback and all of that.
And I remember reading that story and thinking, it is
so cool that this guy gets to be inside. And
I wasn't even really thinking about I wasn't even really
thinking about doing this for a living yet, but it
was just so cool to read, like this guy got
behind closed doors and like got to see everything. And so, like,
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you know, a few weeks ago at the Super Bowl,
I think we all had a feeling this might be
it for him, and a lot of us wound up.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
You know, he told some of us, and the.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Fact that I stayed quiet for another couple of weeks
after that it's like a tribute to him too. But
you know, I had sort of done some groundwork to
set up some access after the game with the Chiefs,
and you know, I was hoping to get Andy and
I've got a good relationship with Andy, and you know,
I saw Peter walk in and Peter had kind of
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like had like a tough week just you know, like
it got a little sick and everything. And so Peter
walked by, Peter walked by me with Andy into the office,
and I just like instinctively knew, like I'm not going
to push like that's Peter's Peter's got this great relationship
with him, and you know, it hit me like you know,
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that teenage kid I was was reading that story and
the tight Ends coach in that Packers team was Andy Reid,
and so it was like one of those like definitely,
that's how you do the job, you know, like that's
how you do the job. Is like you build relationships
and you find a way to get people to trust you,
and you get access and you don't burn them when
they give you that access, and then you build and
build and build and people learn.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
To trust you. And that was Peter was so good
at that.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
And you know, like when I came aboard in sixteen
and left NFL Network, and he had sort of sold
me on the idea that you know, hey, you could
you could you know, eventually succeed me and I in
a couple of years, I'm gonna probably hand the call
call him off to you if you do a good enough job,
which you know is what wound up happening in eight team.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It was almost surreal.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
And I can remember telling my agent just negotiating with
NFL Network because I wanted I was like that opportunity
to follow in his footsteps, Like I just kind of
had him up on this pedestal in my head the
same way I did Will McDonough, and I got to
be like that was like to me, like the greatest
thing I've accomplished is like the two guys I maybe
looked up to most or Will McDonough and Peter King,
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and I wound up in both of their jobs. And
you know, like so I felt the pressure every week
of having to keep up with him. I thought, like
in eighteen, like, oh yeah, you're gonna ride off into
the sunset. And then he winds up like like like
winds up at NBC, and now instead of like succeed
just succeeding, it's like I'm competing with him. But that
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was a great gift too, because like you know, the
the gift of competition and I love competition.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I've always been really competitive since I was a little kid.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
And the gift of that pressure and knowing I had
to be on it every week, and like, if I
had a chance to get eyeballs on what I was doing,
I had to clear this bar that he's set and
possibly high. I mean, I don't know that I ever
cleared that bar, but it may be so much better
having to compete with him on a week to week basis.
And I'm like, after six years of doing the Monday thing,
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like staying up all night after games during the season
and all of that, Like, I am in complete of
what he's been able to carry into his sixties. And
he's had the energy and the passion to do it.
He's everything that's right about our business. I think it's
probably the easiest way to put it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So very cool, nice tribute right there.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
How much of that building is on going for you
as we look around at what's happening here this week.
As far as the relationships, yeah, I mean it's an
important I mean the like this, the combine, you know,
the Senior Bowl, those are important weeks just as far
as seeing people, and yeah, I mean I think it's
the power FaceTime is really important, and I, you know,
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I really kind of came to a real I always
knew it, but I came to a realization of during
the pandemic where you know, I felt like, to some
degree I had an advantage over other people because I
did have the roll of decks and so when things
did shut down, my access wasn't cut off, Like I
didn't need to show.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Up to a building to get a hold of somebody.
And I, you know, I was like, this isn't so bad,
Like this works for me. And then the summer twenty one,
you know, I went on my training camp trip and
I just remember like the feeling of being face to
face with people again and interacting with people on that
level again and.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Being able to just you know, shoot with people again.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Sorry for my language, but like no connectivity, but like
the ability to do that like that was priceless. And
I think, like as much as like this isn't as
much as it's like a big event and they're going
to pass the rules and you know, all the coaches
talk on the record, it's it's way more valuable to
me to just be able to see everybody and to
be able to and if there's somebody who's helped me
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with somebody something like being able to thank them in
person for it.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Like all that stuff is so import to what I do.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And I've always liked the league meetings because it's more
of an intimate feel and you do have that opportunity
to go out and speak to people, and maybe you
don't have those opportunities during the regular season when we're
just constantly running. Let me ask you this Jets off season.
We know their twenty twenty four success is going to
be tied to the health of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
What do you make of the way Joe Douglas is
kind of attacked the spring today?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Yeah, I think, like whatere the Jets wanted to be
was in a place where they'd have some flexibility with
a tenth overall pick.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
In other words, like, I think.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
If you had asked me a month ago, Oh, they
have to take a tackle, you know what I mean,
look at ted like, no question about it, mark it down.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Whoever the best tackle is, they're taking them. End of story. Like, A,
that's not the best way to do business, and B
that's a tough spot. To put a rookie in.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
And so I think, you know, part of the idea
here is how do you create a scenario where you
can give yourself flexibility and you don't have to press
a need And if the player that lands at that
position to your spot at ten, if you if you're
not wild about him, you do have other options. And
so I think, you know, what they did on the
offensive line was massive, you know, like I think being
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able to get those three guys in for a base
like a like base pay of eighteen million dollars collectively
now obviously if they play well to wind up being
more than that, but to Travor Morgan, Moses, who you
have who you know, to sign John Simpson who's coming
from a program that you know obviously Joe Douglas knows
that John Harbaugh program really well. And then to be
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able to go and get you know, a Hall of
Fame level player although he's not maybe what he was,
still a really good player in Tyron Smith. I think
they've given themselves the flexibility now where like let's say,
I don't know, let's say Olufashanu and Joe Alt are
gone at ten and they really like Dallas Turner and
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they feel like Dallas Turner can help them replace you
know what they're going to lose with Brice Off then
they can do that, right or they think, okay, like
maybe we want to add a receiver to the group,
right like and I and Mike Williams is another one
that kind of helps give them some flexibility where they
don't have to press the need opposite Garrett Wilson, Well
they could add and they could you know, say like
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Roma Dunze false them. Well there's the flexibility maybe to
take a Roma Dunze. So I think they put themselves
in a position where I don't think there's a spot
where you say, yeah, they have to take care of
that in the first or second round, which is where
you want to be going into the draft.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I know a lot of people watching this and listening
to this, who are Jets fans for the playmaker? At
this point of course everything if one of those top
three receivers are there, maybe even a brock Bauers, where
do you stand because you just talked about the contracts, Yeah,
framed up essentially these are one year deals for Tyrant
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Smith and then Morgan Moses last year of his contract.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
How would you weigh that?
Speaker 6 (30:06):
I mean, I would definitely weigh it, you know, I
think it's something you certainly have to look at. You know,
not only are those guys on one year contracts are
also pretty old, you know, Like so, like you're talking
about guys who you know, it's hard to count on
them for twenty and twenty five, you know, whether they're
signed or not. So I think you absolutely have to
get someone in the pipeline.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
What I'm saying is you don't have to do in
the first round if you don't necessarily want to. You
could pick somebody developmental guy in the third round whatever.
And it's hard to find tackles outside of the first
round than it is other positions. But like I do
think like you have again you have that flexibility where
you know, if it's a Bowers, if it's in a Dunze,
whoever it is that's available, they're at ten, you can
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pull the trigger on something like that and find another
way to address the tackle position or punt till next
season on it. And again, like you know, find a
developmental guy further down the road I think would be
part of that pot.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
How would you go about picking your spots here when
they do have an AFC coach's breakfast.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It started to give it a little background.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Starts at seven forty five and more it goes to
eight fifteen of all the guys talking to the same time,
and I'm asking you.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Jets questions, but you from a national perspective.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Sure, I figure everything that's said in there is going
to be on the internet by noon, Okay, you know
what I mean. Like, so like there's not like this
great value for me and going in there and like hey,
like I'm gonna come out with X, Y or Z,
like it just all that stuff becomes news so quickly.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Everything that's in there becomes news so quickly.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
So I like to say a lot to some people
and then to me, it's like whoever the newsmaker is,
you know, Like today I think it was Harbaugh, Like
going and seeing Jim Harbaugh and like getting to see him,
like getting getting to see him like talk about being
back in the NFL and seeing like his mannerisms and
the excitement on his face, like he looks fired up
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to be back.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Like and obviously he's entertaining too, But it's a different
guy than I remember when he was with the Niners.
Like when he was with the Niners, he's way more reserved,
Like you get him on the wrong day and it
was really tough to crack, and like now it just
seems more relaxed, more open and look like he, like
everybody else in that room's undefeated right now. So we'll see,
you know what I mean, Like but but but but
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but it was like just the idea just getting to
see that, you know, getting to see Mike Tomlin talk about,
just like looking for the mannerisms, the way that like
he's reacting to the questions, like some of that. So
I think you're sort of looking for I I at
least am like what value can I extract from this?
And like, for me, the value isn't like okay, like
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I'm gonna tweet out this or that.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
It's it's more if there's news to follow up on,
or there's somebody who's going to be a newsmaker.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
It's like getting in front of them and seeing them
talk and seeing the way that you know, cause you
can tell the way people kind of the way that
people kind of talk about certain things, the way again
their mannerisms you can read into those sorts of things
and file them away.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So that's part of what I try to do.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Totally different landscape for the Jets this year, because last
year at league meetings we were talking about, ye hey, what's.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Gonna happen with Aaron Rodgers. We know Aaron Rodgers is
going to be back.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Robert Salace said today he's going to be on a mission,
obviously coming back from that Achilles. Do you think that
Robert is embracing being more out of the spotlight here
this offseason?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
The spotlight always can return.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
But you know, I mean, I think I think you know,
the spotlight is going to return the minute to minute
coverage of of his return from the Achilles, and so
I guarantee you there will be no lack of media
at the first availability during OTA is to see how
he's moving around and everything else. And it's not like
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it's not gonna be like it was last year, you know.
But I do think going through that probably helps, you
know what I mean, and having gone through the scrutiny
and you know, understanding what that was last year and
being ready for it this year and being able to
get your players ready for it. You know, I think
that I think that can serve a purpose. So yeah,
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I think I think Robert probably And you know, like
I think he's always been pretty pretty blunt and open
and like, uh like hard on a sleeve type of guy.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I'm not talking out of school when I say that, Like,
you know, I.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Think you can maybe see a little bit of a
more more of a acceptance of like everything that's coming
along with it.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And let's then here, how about the other guy who's
partnered with Joe Douglas. He talked about his moves and
free agency. Uh, he's openly acknowledged. Hey, listen, we got
to win. Both these guys have talked about we have
to win. How do you go about your business if
you're a g I'm your football architect where you're dealing
with the four year old quarterback, you know what that
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window is, but you also want to build in the
long term as well, well.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Right, Yeah, I mean I think it's I think that's
the part that's interesting for Joe. And I think Joe's
actually again like they have to win and he hasn't
made the playoffs yet and it's been it's been a while.
And I think everybody, Robert, Joe, all the guys know
the score on that, but I do think you know,
like part of it is just hitting on your draft picks.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
And it's that simple, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Like, so, when Aaron walks away at whether it's after
this year, after next year, do you have playing in
place at quarterback? Do you have resources to go get one?
And then what does the core around the next quarterback
look like?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Right? And that's where again, like that tenth pick becomes
really important. Right, So is it.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Okay we have Olufashan who is our left tackle of
the future, and now the core is Olu Garrett Wilson,
Quinnin and Williams, Sauce, Gardner, Breese Hall. I think you
can actually start to talk your way through it, and
you can see there are a lot of good pieces.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Like Jermaine Johnson took us a step last year.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
So I think that's the beauty of the spot the
Jets are in. And what's interesting about it too, is
that like, as you're offloading Rogers contract, you're probably going
to be onboarding some more big contracts because like those
guys are not going to be on rookie deals forever. No,
And I think hitting on draft picks has given them
the flexibility to build aggressively around Aaron. But that's it's
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just like when you have the quarterback on a rookie
deal that doesn't last forever. Garrett Wilson's eventually going to
need to be paid. Sauce Gardner is eventually going to
need to be paid. Jermaine Johnson, if he plays well,
could be there too. And obviously Quentnen is there, you know.
So I think that's sort of the dynamic that you're
looking at where it's going to shift in a year
or two from quarterback heaving model to you hope that
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that young core is in place and supports whoever the
next quarterback is.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I appreciate your time as all got it.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
We're now joined by Ian rep Report of NFL Networker.
Of course, what has been the reaction here at the
annual elite meetings to the new hip drop.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
To I think here it's been really positive, you know,
getting it out of the game. To me, it's it's
more of sort of an obvious thing, right, I mean,
it's it's a play that causes far more injuries than
any other similar play. I mean I watched Mark Andrews
go down with the broken leg I've seen Gino Smith
on the sideline. Kenyan Drake was tweeting yesterday about how
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his career was forever altered by hip drop tackle that
broke his leg. I mean, it's it. To me, it's
it's way more dangerous than than almost any other tackle,
and you have a play that's so obviously not right.
Getting it out of the game to me makes sense.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
I see the the defensive players on social media speaking out, Yeah,
definitely get.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
It, and their response is like, what do you expect
me to do?
Speaker 7 (37:49):
And you know, I think the NFL's response is not
that not something where you can so obviously injure a
player plenty of other ways to tackle.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
I don't think it really takes away.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Defender's ability, just hopefully will void of player's legs napig
in a half, which I think is good.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
That certainly would be good unanimous vote by the owners
here don in Orlando, Florida. Yeah, NFC coach's breakfast just
wrapped up. I went over to the Dallas Cowboys table
to hear their coach, Mike McCarthy address reporters. What do
you think about the Jets edition of Tyrone Smith and
free agency?
Speaker 7 (38:22):
I mean, I think it has the possibility to be,
you know, kind of season changing move, right. I mean,
if you Tyron Smith went healthy, is one of the
best tackles in the NFL, you know, top three.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
I mean, he's a rock star and.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
Has been throughout his career, and like, you know, there
was some years where he missed significant time with injury
and you're like, what's it going to be like when
he comes back? And then you look at him on
the field and he's the same, He's exactly the same.
Health is going to be a question. I think the
Jets protected themselves with the contract, and you're gonna have
to manage him. You know, he's not gonna practice all
the time. You're gonna have to be okay with that.
(38:58):
But he is really one of the like experts at
his craft, and you'll see like when like there will
be games when you will basically not notice that he's
on the field. Like that's what it's really like, and
it hasn't been like that for a while for the Jets.
You know, again, if healthy, I think it has a
chance to be an unbelievably significant.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Signing, potential future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know all decade,
like you know, and it's it's like when you're deciding
the Hall of Fame and I don't do that, you know,
but I do follow it very closely. What you always
think about is like did he have an era? Was
he the best tackle of his era? And like tired Smith?
Speaker 5 (39:37):
That an era?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
I mean's you know, all Pro every year, Pro Bowl
every year. I mean that's again like the kind of
guy you literally forget exists because you don't even think
about him.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
One time during the game.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
We knew the Jets were going to address the offensive
line free agency. That was emphasis number one for Joe Douglas.
What do you think about the connection there with Baltimore
John Simpson, twenty six year old guard who's kind of
restarted his career last year after starting off with the Raiders,
and then he comes back and trades for Morgan Moses
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as a former Jet.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
So you know, there are plenty of ways to miss
in free agency.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
We see it every year, right, It's like you take
a guy who you know, you sort of you watch
and you've studied, and you're like, all right, he's in
this system, We're gonna put him on our system.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
And we're gonna go.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
And then sometimes with new coaches or new systems, it
doesn't work. So familiarity is a great way to help
free agent decisions work. Right, So when you have people
you know well, and obviously you know Joe Douglas knows
a lot of people in Baltimore, well, you have some
systems similarities, you know, or let's just say a guy
(40:44):
has played for the organization before. You're not like no
one's wondering, like for Morgemoses, Like no one's wondering what
kind of person Morgemoses is.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
We know.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
That's how you do well in free agency, I think
is you get guys who you you know well from
places you trust, and you put them in to do
exactly what they did the previous year.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
And one thing that Robert Sala talked about here in
Orlando was the mindset is very important upfront, and I
think that people automatically think addressing an offensive line, you
want to take care of Aaron Rodgers. We know that,
But seems like the Jets are gonna be well equipped
to run the football.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
With these additions in brisall behind them.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
I mean it's the same though, right, It's like great
way to take care of a quarterback is to run
the heck out of the ball and like force the
defense to really defend it and force them to be tired.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
And like there's all it's all complimentary.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
I mean, I'm I'm curious about Breese Hall anyway, because
like what we saw last year was you know, at
times I think he was amazing, but probably not one
hundred percent like himself. Like now the full off season,
no injuries, like he's probably gonna be better, and he
was already very good. So it's like if you you can,
(42:01):
you know, rely on the running game, not kind of
like used, but like really rely on it, then you
really might have something. And I think historically when you
get older quarterbacks, you know, look, Rogers is going to
make plays to win games.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
He is going to keep the offense running.
Speaker 7 (42:17):
He is going to be I think, really really good,
like he basically always has been. But historically older quarterbacks
have thrived by making plays when you need to, but
really relying on the run game, right, I mean we
saw I mean Peyton Manning and Denver was you know,
is an example that that comes to mind. I Mean
there's plenty of others, but that can really help, and
(42:40):
you know you talk about like keeping guys healthy, keeping
rogers healthy, like being able to run the heck out
of the bable help.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
A good transition there to Mike Williams because the Jets
brought up the timeline with Bryce Hall. In terms of
Mike Williams, the former Charger signs here and he tore
his ACL week three last year, you're gonna have to
take a slow approach, but they want him ready for
week one and they could have a similar arc what
(43:09):
we saw from.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Breeze Hall last year. That would be huge.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
Yeah, you're you're gonna you're gonna like Michael Yeah, yeah,
I mean, you were gonna like Michae Williams.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
It's just funny.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
He was briefly an abillity. It seems like a character.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Well yeah, and the whole sandwich thing I thought was
extremely funny. Like I will generally roll my eyes at
like sort of social media creations like that was very
organic and extremely funny.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Are you gonna shout out the Jets social team here?
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (43:36):
I mean I I retweeted it. I thought it was
and it was funny for me. And I know this
isn't what you asked, but like I was that day.
I was doing something else where. I wasn't like staring
at my phone the whole day, and so like, the
Jets retweeted a sandwich, and.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
I'm like, what's happening here? Like I wasly I missed something.
Speaker 7 (43:57):
I don't know what I missed, And I texted Golfer
and I'm like, what's happening here? Like, and so I
like went back and read alt. I'm like, oh my god,
this is so funny. And I was just like and
he played along great and then went to the basketball
game and had the sandwich.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
I thought it was very funny.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
But I'm just saying, like, on the field, you are
going to like him because and you know, like Daniel
Jeremiah and I are pretty close, and he does radio
for the Chargers and it's one of his favorite players.
Tom Telesco, I know, the former general manager for the
Chargers now with the Raiders, one of his favorite players.
I think the main reason is because you know, when
(44:34):
you get important moments of the game, your quarterback is
going to have to be under pressure and throw it
up and let the receiver go make a catch.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
And he is awesome.
Speaker 7 (44:42):
At just going up and catching it, like on the sideline,
deep routes like big plays like tough as anything, like
you are going to really really like him acl wise,
you know, Okay, you hope that this is a Jets
team that is playing meaningful games in decent in January.
Obviously you would like all the players playing at full
(45:03):
speed when the season starts.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
If that's not reality, like that's.
Speaker 7 (45:07):
Okay, Yeah, I think the main thing for Mike Williams
whose you have him when the games really matter.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
How interesting?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Now are the Jets at ten in the first round
and you guys continue to talk about quarterbacks at the
top of the draft, and that's where the dominoes start falling,
And then where are the Jets going to be?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Like their situation do.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
You ultimately think because you talked about addressing the offensive line,
which we saw free agency, and then they get a
receiver of Big X and Mike Williams so defensively did
some tinkering. That's going to be an elite unit. But
do you like the options they now have?
Speaker 5 (45:44):
Well?
Speaker 7 (45:44):
Yeah, I mean and I would say, like you talk
about like quarterback, like the Jets have done quarterback work,
you know, like do they take one in the first round,
like I don't know who's going.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
To be there.
Speaker 7 (45:53):
If a top guy they like a lot is there,
like and they could, oh, I don't know, sit him
for two years behind one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
I'm like, we know that can work.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
So if they have a quarterback they like, like, I
would think it'd be great, And I think Rogers would
handle that different than he did early in his career.
But even still, like, you know, if if the Jets
take one and it turns out to be what Jordan
Love is now in Green Bay, that's the biggest win
you could have as an organization. They don't have to
do what they did to get Rogers. So I think,
to me, if the right guy's there, that could be
(46:25):
an option. They now like the Yes, they address tackle,
but what if a great franchise tackle falls to them.
They're like, could you take one, make them a swing tackle,
play Tyran for a year, and then install them.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
They're like, yeah, you could, Like that's how it works.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
That's literally what the Cowboys did and letting Tyron goes,
they have Tyer Smith come play left tackle. Like, could
you get an elite receiver, you know, one of the
top three guys who somehow falls to ten.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Like, could it's a really really good spot?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Could you see that happening one of the elite receivers?
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Well, let's think about it.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So let's assume the top three.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
Let's assume that quarterbacks go one, two, three, and maybe four. Okay,
so then you have three receivers, you have probably two tackles.
You have at least one edge rusher maybe more like,
there's only so many picks, so someone is going to
(47:26):
get there, and you know, I would say, you know,
could the Jets jump up a little bit for a
guy they really like?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Could? Could they you know, move back?
Speaker 7 (47:38):
And if someone is like dying to get one of
those receivers, here's the sort of problem or issue whatever
you'd say with having such a deep receiver draft is
you actually don't have to get one early because you'll
get a What are the Jets picking the second round?
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Don't have a pick in the second round right now?
Speaker 1 (47:54):
They got seven selections, that's right, so they'll come back
in the third round. So people are saying, like, to
your point about flexibility and options, maybe go down if you.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Come back and get a second round.
Speaker 7 (48:06):
But let's okay, but let's say I forgot that didn't
have a second rounder, but because that was the Rogers pick.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (48:11):
Yeah, so let's say which I mean, you know, annoying
to not have a second round or thank god it's
not a first round. That was one of the best
things Joe Douglas ever did was keeping that first rounder.
They will get a second round talent receiver in the
third round if that's where they go, so like, they
have plenty of options. I don't think they need one
in the first round.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah. You guys had a segment yesterday where TP Tom
Palisaro was saying a lot of executives here wouldn't be
surprised if Washington went in the direction of Michigan quarterback
JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
I heard that.
Speaker 7 (48:50):
I wouldn't be surprised by anything, because the one thing
I know draft wise is that you know, you get
to this point of the year and everyone's short of envisions.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
They think the draft is gonna go.
Speaker 7 (49:01):
You say, well, obviously Kill's going one, and then you
know it'd be Drake may or Jane Daniels at two
or three, and then McCarthy, you know, probably goes four.
And you're like, well, and everyone sort of says that enough,
and the mock draft said that enough that you think
that's the way it's gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
But like, if JJ McCarthy's good enough to go four,
why would he not be good enough to go two?
Speaker 7 (49:22):
If Jane Daniels is good enough to go three, why
would he not be good enough to go two?
Speaker 5 (49:27):
I have no idea.
Speaker 7 (49:28):
And that's sort of the I mean, the draft is
literally the best. But that's why it's so fun is
because truly nobody knows.
Speaker 5 (49:36):
And if even.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
If Washington liked McCarthy enough to take him at two,
they're not gonna tell anyone until they get to be
on the clock, right.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I know, you got to go do a live spot.
I want to end to hear.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Robert Salah talked about hey being quiet around the jets
right now.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Do you anticipate that picks up again?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
As far as the lights being bright and this franchise
once Aaron Rodgers returns again and he's there in the
spring and in the summer.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
I don't think it'll be like last year.
Speaker 7 (50:09):
I don't think it's gonna be the wild expectations. I
don't think it's gonna you know, it's it's gonna be
a little more measured. Same success is still potentially out there,
you know, I think, but I don't think it's gonna
be like, you know, I'll be at training camp again.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
I'm sure.
Speaker 7 (50:26):
I don't think it'll be the absolute pandemony of like,
oh my god, we got Rogers, which is fine.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Everyone will sort of settle in a little bit.
Speaker 7 (50:32):
The news will be gone and will just be like
a regular good team, which is a great place to be.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
It's never gonna be.
Speaker 7 (50:38):
Quiet because it's New York. So I heard Sala say like, oh,
you know, under the rate. I'm like, no, never gonna be,
but not like last year, which is a totally.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Fine place to be.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Great Senior, thank you so much
Speaker 5 (50:50):
Thank you man, thanks for having me.
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