April 12, 2024 • 51 mins
Host Eric Allen is joined in the Audi Performance Studio by CBS Analyst/former Jets DL Leger Douzable in the latest installment of the NFL Draft Preview series.
4:00 - If Joe Douglas should make calls to trade up in the upcoming NFL Draft
7:30 - Which team will be the first team to draft a wide receiver?
18:10 - Breakdown of the top offensive tackle prospects
27:40 - Douzable's opinion of the bigger need for the Jets this season between wide receiver and offensive tackle
35:50 - Where Douzable stands on Georgie TE Brock Bowers
39:05 - Day 3 options at quarterback prospects for the Jets
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the Official Jets podcast. Eric own here at
one Jets Drive and I brought jadusible all the way
up from South Florida. How does it feel to be
back in your old environment.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's great. You know. It's started getting a little warm
in South.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Florida, Ea, and I like warm weather, but I don't
like it being this warm this early in April. So
to get a nice little fifty sixty degree weather. Heard
it's supposed to get up to seventy today. It feels
good to be back.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Home, all right, So you have a full day of
taping here inside the studio Audi Performance Studio. Do you
get nostalgic driving back into the facility? It's like one
of the first things you said to me in the
car this morning was players are back next week, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey? You just get that feel, man.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Matter of fact, When I landed last night, Ea, I
called my mom and was like, Yo, I'm in Jersey,
and she I didn't tell I was coming here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's like, what are you doing here? You know, I'm
shooting some stuff with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
When I got Ea, and I just got that feel,
you know, just riding down the road from the Newark
airport back, you know, towards the facility. I stayed not
too far from the facility last night, and, like you said,
the first question I asked you was like, hey, I
think the fellas are back in town next week.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You get that feel, even when you retired, you still
get that feel. You know, it's time to get back
to work.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, a lot of exciting things going on here with
the Jets in the entire organization. The draft now is
about what two weeks away? Two weeks away, we're here
here Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, we're here.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's crazy April twenty fifth or twenty seventh. So we've
kind of done a roster reset in the past, yep.
Where the Jets are after the league year, and how
many moves Joe Douglas made and free agency via trade
and resigning his own players. Where I wanted to start
today was the trade chart. Okay, Like I want to
(01:53):
read off some numbers to you. Get my glasses out
here for those listening. You don't, you don't got to
worry about this. But depending on what trade chart you
go to, the Jets, round one pick is worth thirteen
hundred points. Just to give some background here, dudes, the
Jets obviously don't have that second round pick. So you
go to round three, that's number seventy two overall, that's
(02:16):
two hundred and thirty points. Round four, their first pick
seventy two points. Round four, second pick thirty eight and
a half points, Round six, seventeen point four, Round seven
to one, Round seven, mister irrelevant, one pick. So draft capital,
as far as a couple of the trade draft value
(02:37):
charts out there right now, stands at sixteen hundred fifty
nine points. The reason why I bring that up is
so we go back and say the Jets thirteen hundred
points with that tenth overall.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
This is crazy to say the rest of the totality
is only like three hundred more point.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, you don't like that. You don't like that as
a four round drafted free agent.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, that's a crazy drop off.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So you're saying the first round pick what I get
is worth thirteen because it's the top ten pick. Then
the rest of the six picks in totality are only
worth three hundred Yeah right, goodness great.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So for comparison's sake, Chicago holds the number one overall selection.
Take a stab what that number one overall selection?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Two thousand, three thousand. The math isn't Matthew, isn't Mathew.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You don't like this.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I don't like this at all.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You don't like this chart, and I.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Get it number one overall.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Like, that's in a different strategy, right, You would probably
even say top five picks are in a different strategy there,
but literally to be double a top ten pick, yes,
like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, goodness gracious.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So this is why we start the conversation here. Annie scenario.
If you're Joe Douglas, do you move up? You don't
have a second round pick, Yeah, we just talked about it.
You go to the third, you got two and a fourth.
Those are valuable picks. You got a couple in the
(04:01):
seventh as well, correct. I mean to me, those are
just flyers. But let's just start there in the first round.
Any scenario, to me, it only makes sense.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And this is if the board depending on how it
plays out, right, Yeah, say one of the top three receivers,
two of them are gone by pick seven. Yes, I'd
be picking up the phone calling Chicago at nine or
maybe even Atlanta at eight to see what it would
take to move up one or two spots.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And depending on the chart that we just went over.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You probably have to give up some future picks from
next year, because, like you said, as far as the
Jets having the draft capital to potentially move up this year,
it's going to be extremely tough. Now, you would assume
that third round pick is already going to have to
be part of that package, right, and then what else
would you have to throw in there? Maybe a fourth
and maybe a third from next year. It just depends
on what the part the point chart says. So if
(04:53):
you're Joe Douglas, I mean, it's really interesting, right because
there's so many scenarios here that you can go to.
But that's the only scenario I'll see where he maybe
thinks about it, right, depending on you know, Atlanta Chicago
eight to nine, Right, you don't think Atlanta's going to
take a receiver, most likely going to take an edge
guy because they have three receivers already. They did a
really good job of for to fying that roster this offseason.
(05:14):
So you call it Atlanta, you call Chicago, who could
be in the need for a receiver, so they may
not even pick up your phone call. But that's the
only scenario I see. If by pick seven, two of
the top three receivers are gone.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You said Atlanta, yep. Are they the first team in
the twenty twenty four draft that takes a defensive player?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I believe so.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
When you got Raheem Morris coming over from LA defensive
minded coach, he's been synonymous with having guys being able
to get to the quarterback. Right now, they have Arnold
Bucatio on one side, who took a second year growth
last year, but they need to add somebody next time.
I think a guy like Dallas Turner or Jared Versus
makes too much sense to really build that defense around.
You still got Gary Grady Jarrett inside and David Anyamato,
(05:57):
who are really good defensive tackles, but they need some edge.
You need a consistent guy that can get to the quarterback.
So I think at pick number eight, that would be
the first time that a team takes a defensive player,
and it's going to be the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Speaking of trades, do you think anybody moves off at three, four, five,
starting with the Patriots? So you say that, hey, they
got Jakobe Brissett. He pens some themen as a starter
in year one. It's a perfect situation.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You take a quarterback and that's the team to me.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, I know people are talking about the Arizona Cardinals
being in a sweet spot at the number four spot
because they have Kyler Murray as a quarterback, so they
could trade back. But to me, it's the New England Patriots,
especially if the draft goes Caleb Williams and then goes
Jaden Daniels. Could the Patriots, if they're not in love
with Drake may or JJ McCarthy decide, you know, we
have so many holes on this roster, let's get at
(06:48):
King's ransom to move back. And most presumably it's probably
going to be the Minnesota Vikings who have I believe
pick eleven and twenty three if I'm not mistaken, and
they probably get some draft capital for next year's draft
as well. If you pay, could you gain an extra
first round pick this year and some other picks to
really fill that hole and maybe even take a fire
at a quarterback in the second round, whether it's Bow
Knicks or Spencer Rattler, because like you said, they have
(07:11):
Jacoby Brissett, who I believe can be a starter in
this league and has proved every time people a team
has called upon him. He's been able to play adequate
football and get you in a winning situation.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Arizona, that four you see them going receiver? Is that
the first team that takes a receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, they lost all their receivers. No way, they're not
leaving the first round without a receiver. When you talk
about Hollywood Brown, you know going to the Kansas City
Chiefs and then Rondelle Moore being traded to the Atlanta Falcons.
So you got to give Carlin Murray some help on
that side of the ball. You gotta give him a
big time receiver. I think it'd be hard press for
(07:52):
the Arizona Cardinals to move back just because you can
get a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior. And if you
do trade out of that number four spot and you
get to eleven, you're missing out on the top three.
So if you're that regime, you're Manti awsome for it right,
and you have Kyler Murray, You're gonna build the team
around him. You got to get him a number one playmaker.
So I don't think the Arizona Cardinals we'll move out
(08:14):
of the number four spot. That's why I think it's interesting.
Depending on how the draft falls. I think New England
could be a team that potentially moves back.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, Chargers five Watson Winn is the line of scrimmage,
but you see receiver here as well, because there's been
a lot of movement in that position. Mike Williams resides
here in Florence Park, and you got Keenan Allen now
suiting up for the Bears, which sounds.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Very weird to say, Yeah, that sounds a lot. It
sounds really weird.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But a what we'll learn and what we've learned throughout
the past year is that its smoke screen season right
around this time. It's always about a month before the draft,
maybe even a few weeks. And I remember, you know,
Jim Hallball, I think it was at the owners meetings
coming out and said you got to build through the
line of scrimmage. Right now, they have an all world
left tackle already. My thing is if you take Joe
Alt there and you move him the right, is that
(09:02):
going to really bode well? And if you look at
the you know Chargers current receiving room, right, it's been
goody you talked about it. Mike Williams is here, Keenan
Allen is it with the Chicago Bears. They did take
Quinton Johnston last year in the first round, so you
hope he takes a elape too. But you still have
one of the most gifted quarterbacks in the lead, and
Justin Herbert, you have to get him a number one receiver.
(09:23):
Even if Quentin Johnson does get that, you know, second
year growth, you still need to pair him with somebody.
We know Jim Harball wants to be physical with the
line of scrimmage and run the football, but you gotta
have viable receivers for your big time quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
All right, So you think New England could move out,
you think probably Arizona stays. Chargers probably stay. Yeah, Giants, ooh, Giants,
dependent on what they think at the quarterback position. They
could use a receiver as well. Yeah, okay, and then
(09:58):
we go to Tennessee because I want to talk about
all these teams that potentially have an impact on the
Jets and the positions that really would make a fit
for Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
So when you look at the Giants, like you said,
they still need ain't number one receiver, but there's rumors
that they could be in the quarterback market, right because
let's not forget Joe Shane and Brian day Ball. They
didn't take Daniel Jones, right, they kind of adopted him,
just to use words, they adopted him right.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And every GM and.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Head coach wants to be able to pick their quarterback
of the future right and be stuck with their quarterback
because that's usually how you either keep your job or
lose your job, depending on the quarterback position. So they're
at a really good spot at six where they could
take a quarterback if they do like JJ McCarthy or
saying Drake May's there, or Minnesota ends up trading with
New England to get Drake May, then you may not
(10:46):
even have to trade up to get JJ McCarthy if
that's who you want. But if not, right, if they
decide to go with Danie Jones and maybe take a
quarterback filler in the second round, then this is where
it gets interesting for the Jets, right, because we just
talked about, you know, there is on the Connors maybe
staying pat taking Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Then you would assume the Chargers take Elikue.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Neighbors, So could it be receiver receiver receiver at four,
five and six, That's where it gets really interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
For the Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And that's why I just think every year going into
the drivet, everybody thinks they know, but nobody has.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Nobody has an idea of what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But you started this conversation off by saying talking about receivers,
you're not talking about tackles.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That that's that said something, right, because people people who
have been saying this is a generational type tackle class,
and I think it is. But I think that's another
reason why teams will be more comfortable taking a tackle
in the second round, because there's gonna be some guys
that most likely fall because you got to think in
the teams, there's gonna be some defensive backs. I got
in my my mock drive at least five cornerbacks going
(11:52):
in the first round, right, So you look at that,
you got the offensive tackles and this is a really
good receiver group.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But after the top.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Three there's a off and Brian Thomas is almost in
that tier. He's not in that tier yet, but then
even after him, there's a massive drop off again.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So his numbers were crazy, like, oh, they were insane.
A guy that can really stretch the field can go
up and get the fifty to fifty jump off.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
He's a weapon in the red zone. And I think
it's he's just coming into his own. I think he's
gonna be a better pro, which is crazy to say
what you talk about the numbers that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He had a seventeen receivers last touchdowns like Danielsmon Neighbors,
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
So like, I think he's gonna only get better because
last year was this really first productive year in college football.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So he's just coming into his own.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So he's not at where the top three guys are
when you talk about you know, Harrison Junior, Molik Neighbors,
and Roman Doonze, but he's right under him. And then
I think there's a separation between him and like Ady Mitchell,
Xavier Worthy, and I guess you could even throw Xavier Legett,
Lamb McConkie and then also Keyon Coleman in that group
as well.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I think Tennessee's fascinating to me from a jet's perspective,
just because Bill Callahan is one of the best offensive
line coaches in the history of the National Football League.
They're gonna tell me a lot what they think about
the offensive line class, for sure, but by where they go, yeah,
and potentially Tennessee is a team. I know they spent
(13:17):
some money in certain places this year Calvin Ridley, but
at the same time they feel like a team of transition.
So I wonder if they move out. And I'm wondering
who's on the board there for the Jets at ten.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
My thing is if Joe Autz there at seven, I
don't think they would have got that in their wildest dream.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I think they're running that card. They need a left tackle.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
They swung the miss with Andre Diller last year, yes,
and kudos I ran Cartin by not, you know, compounding
that mistaken and keeping keeping him on the roster. But
if Joe All, I think Aolu Shanu are there, I
think they're running that cart in honestly, because they need
a left tackle. Petit Frairier can play right tackle as well.
He doesn't have to be your left tackle. And then
I think they're solid because they took Peter Skorwaranski at
(13:59):
guard last year or so. You talk about getting a
blue chip guy at pick number seven, where you thought
potentially maybe both of those guys could be gone. Now
it looks like one of the two, or maybe even
both will be there at seven.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Chicago feels like a wild card and a lot of
people are saying, wow, receiver, but you're talking about scenarios
where receivers could go early those exactly, So what is
Chicago going to do? Are they possible trade out candidate?
And then we get back to the Jets again and say, so,
(14:31):
if I'm looking at the top ten, how early is
it realistic for the Jets to move up to That's
that's what far's the number?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, And that's why I said, depending on what happens
in the first seven picks. When you get to Tennessee
and they don't take a receiver and there's only one left,
that's why I think you start getting on the phone calls,
potentially calling the Atlanta Falcons, who you assume it is
going to take a defensive guy.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So sevenrect seven, eight, nine, I think seven is going
to be too rich to move up.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And honestly, I don't think Tennessee moves out of that
spot because they'll be able to get the tackle that
they want in this draft if it pans out the
way we just talked about, or even if they don't
get being able to get Joe All say he does
go to the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You got Olu still there at.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Pick number seven as well as you can really build
your offensive line around, So I don't think they'll move
out of that spot. But when you get to eight
and nine the Atlanta Falcons, you assume is gonna are
going to take a defensive guy right to put on
the edge. And then if I'm the Chicago Bears and
this is not me just being a Jets guy, you
do have Keenan Allen, right, you have co Comet, you
signed Everett in the offseason. You still have a number
(15:38):
one receiver and Dj Moore Yeah right, So like I
know a lot of people saying they could take another receiver,
but I'm like, you have a treat Like Dj Moore
is a number one receiver.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And he proved it last year there too.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, So like to me, we saw how Montest Sweat
transformed this defense. Just imagine if you put somebody on
the opposite side of him, where now you can't just
double Montest? What in the Chicago Bears had the number
one defense the last six weeks of the season, right,
number one scoring defense, number one interceptions and number one
and rushing touchdowns giving up So I think defense just
(16:12):
makes a lot of sense. Ebra Flus, another defensive minded coach,
really wants to lock in and hone in and solidify
that defense.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
With another edge guy.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I think Chicago it could be edge edge, Atlanta, Atlanta
go edge, then Chicago go edge.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Is Olu there attend then?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So that's the question, right if he is there at
ten depending on what the Chargers I think chargers to
me are, the is the biggest wildcard because they could
take Olne, they could take receiver.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That'll determine the rest.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Of the top five picks right in how they kind
of fall. So when you look at it, could Rome
be there, could Olu be there? If Rome isn't there
and Olu's there, this is the scenario that we talked about, right.
He is a scenario where because Olu Forshano probably has
the highest upside fashion for sha has the highest upside
(17:01):
of tackle, do you take him even though this could
be like a red shirt year for him because if
Tymn Smith and also if Borg and Moses are healthy,
even though he went top ten, are you throwing them
in there in front of them?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So it's just like it doesn't essentially help the Jets now,
but it does help them in the future. Or is
this a scenario where you're like, you know what, we
still like to lease Fuaga. There's still Fatinu out there
as well. Do we trade back, get some draft capital
and potentially get another second round pick that we don't
have right now in this year's draft.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I feel like a lot of people haven't talked about
the prospect he just brought up as Fatano from Washington
left tackle.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Now he's in the conversation now.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Nasty brings a versatility. Yeah, okay, so let's go through
the tackles look kind of like a rapid fire. You
don't think all it will be there a ton. I
don't think you think Tennessee makes the most sense. With
that being said, he's a highest floor as far as
tackles or ault No.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Has the highest you know.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Highest ceiling, but the highest floor for alt I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Saying, yeah, yeah, right now, for sure, he's probably he's
the most game ready to play right now, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And he's the guy you figure that he's gonna be
playing ten years correct as a starter.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Left tackles six ' eight, moves well, able to move
guys off the line of scrimmage. My only concern with
him is that Ford Leani has in his past set
at Notre Dame. When you look at his film, there
wasn't a lot of speed rushers he technically played against.
You know, in the league, guys like a Son Radick
are burning the ad. So that Ford lean and it
gave a lot of people. Can't compare him to Mike mcglitchey.
(18:43):
That gave mcglitchy issues at San fran as well, So
that would be my only concern. But as far as
getting a guy that can play from day one, Joe
Alden is the guy professional highest ceiling not even closed.
Only twenty one years old. Yeah, he's still a young pup.
You knowbody reminds me of a lot a guy that
played here for a lot of years. The British offers right,
(19:05):
great positional blocker, does a good job finishing That armlength
is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
It just keeps guys at bay.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And people were saying, you know that Ohio State film
kind of worried them. It didn't really worry me. Like
people were saying he got beat with some power, but
he didn't give anything up though, Like, yes, there was
some some reps that you would like to have back,
but I love his recovery skills. And again he's still
so young. Like I said, the ceilings not even there yet.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
To me, he has the highest upside.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And then him being an honor study to Tyrone Smith.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Makes a lot of sense. Now. I know Jet Nation would, but.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You want a media contributor in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
But that's the thing, like, sometimes when you're in that scenario,
you gotta go best player available, because it's about the
longevity of the team, right and having that sustaining success
going forward. And I know a lot of people will
probably gruff because you'll be like, well, why not take
Troy Fotanu or trade back and get a guy as
or that it could slide into God or to least
Fuaga a guy that's versustil and could slide in. But
(20:05):
just imagine having your left tackle for the next eleven
to fifteen years. Yeah, Like, if you want to have
sustained success, sometimes you gotta go best player available, right,
So if oulu fashion New falls to you, you have
to really consider it. Even though this could be a
retro year where he probably only spot starts for four
or five games, you gotta think about the future of the.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Jets of Fuaga. Oh nasty, just nasty. EA.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Like if you turn on that first game clip versus
Washington State literally decapitates the off off the ball linebacker.
You talk about athletic ability, and people were saying he
could slide in. I think he could just stay at
left tackle, and I know we're gonna talk about another guy, Yeah,
another guy Troy fontonknew, but talking about Fuaga, like, you're
gonna get that nastiness out of him, and you saw
it up the Singer Bowl. Like he's just he's never
(20:54):
in a hurry in his past set, right, He's comfortable
and his pass set isn't passive EA, Like people talk
about past that is being passive.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
No, his passet is aggressive. He puts hands on guys.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
So you talk about bringing a nasty attitude to your
your team in locker room, that's what That's what, uh
you know to least Waga does.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
We talked about the Washington prospect, Troy yeah, yeah, So
why have I feel like the noise is starting to
pick up on him, But I don't know why he's
even kind of like out there. You're like, we've been
talking about for a while.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, like I didn't get it. I think I think
me and Daniel J. Myer, I don't want to say
one of the first few people on him as far
as him going high in the first.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Round, but everybody was talking about this dude moving to guard.
I'm like, did y'all not watch the film? Like the
athletic ability is out of this world, his recovery is
out of this world.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And ea I remember vividly in the.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Michigan game the College Football Playoffs on a screenplay, you
saw him get out and literally just to capitate a safety,
which I don't think people don't understand. When you're three
hund and ten pounds moving in space trying to block
a little guy, it's extremely hard. Not only did he
block him, he put him on his neck.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So like people saying that this guy could move into guard, No,
keep him at tackle. Now, the thing is, with his versatility,
you have that luxury to move him inside.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Believe that dude in left tackle.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
It's rare that you find somebody with that type of
footwork and athletic ability to have the nastiness to finish,
but also gives you the versatility to move inside. So
I would take him at left tackle, but if you
need him to move inside, I think he could be
a really good guard as well too.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Too rich at ten, depending on the situation, I think you.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Could probably move back a few spots and get him
many teens. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
My thing is if you have an opportunity to draft
or get some draft capital, why not. But then, like
I said, yeah, we never know. I really loved Darnall Wright.
I didn't think he was going top ten though, so
you just never know.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Latham and Mems mems very interesting prospect because only games
that by definition is a project.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Project for sure. That's why I think back in the
first round San Francisco makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Uh they just you know, restruct that restructure, but gave
an extension to their right tackle, Colten mckimwick's. He could
stay behind him for a year and learn. He's one
of those guys, Hea, He's the guy that you want
walking off the bus first right. He looks like a
created player, talk about being like six eight, three hundred
and forty pounds, but doesn't look three forty. Looks like
he's too eighty, So a lot to steal gain from him.
(23:35):
Excuse me just because, like you said, only eight starts
so far. But the natural athletic ability is there. The
ability to get out and open space at three forty
is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And J C.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Latham nobody puts hands on people better than jac Latham
talk about he is a body mover. He moves you
against your will. Just go watch that Michigan game and
see what he did to Chris Jenkins. It was tough
sledding for the young defensive.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Tackle out there. And then and passport.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
The only thing that gives me some concerns is some
change direction issues, especially when defensive linement are running pass
rush games. He has some issues there, but I think
that's more communication. I think he's athletic enough, and I've
seen him be athletic enough to be able to keep
rushers at bay.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And sometimes it looks like he's not even trying out
there on the field.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
So I know guys were highed on him coming into
the season. Seems like some of it is tailed off,
but again we truly never know it. Allly takes us
one team to be extremely.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Happy with you.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Like I said last year, darn right being a right tackle,
I didn't see him going in the top ten, even
though I really loved this film, just because people always
talk about left tackle vers right tackle. I think we're
in NFL today where there's equal value in both. I
don't think teams look at one guy and say, you know,
we need a better left tackle than right tackle. I
just think they need somebody that can protect and play
at a high level. And we saw darn Darnall Wright
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do that at Tennessee, took him to the number ten pick.
Could that same thing happen with JC Latham?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
A lot of dudes in National Football League firing off
the ball from that left edge spot. So yes, right
tackle very valuable. How many tackles go on the first round?
Are you of the belief like money out there that
we could see seven.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Six, maybe seven?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
When you look at Joe aall fashion U for Tanu
to lease fu Waga Mims, I think Tyler Geiden, yeah,
maybe gets in there as well. And then there's a
there's another guy, did you have a part of that?
They see Latham at seven, could we get eight? Jordan
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Morgan is another guy from the University of Arizona left tackle.
I think back of the first round when you look
at Pig thirty two. Now we know there's some things
going on with Kansas City and there receiving core right now,
could they go receiver? Could they go offensive tackle because
they need a left tackle now. Yange Morris played some
good reps for them last year but struggled at times
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as well.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
They left.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
You know, Donovan Smith has gone in free agency. Could
they go Jordan Morgan there and potentially show up that
left side for the best player in the NFL and
Patrick Mahomes or do they look at receiver.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
There specifically getting back to the Jets. For you, it
would be two guys that you consider a toen right,
it would be Olu or Alt. You don't think all
it's going to be there.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Olu could be just specifically tackled.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, yes, specifically tackle for you at ten. Now you
consider other dudes if you move back, no doubt. I mean,
man so would be tough. It'd be in a conversation,
would include him in that mix.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I would put him in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
The only thing is, again, if I'm Joe d if
I could move back a couple of spots and still
get him and get draft capital. But I think, just
like teams are gonna get nervous with that quarterback run.
I think teams are gonna get nervous with that tackle run.
You could potentially teams start to move up to get tackles.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yes, because if you wanted him, you don't want to
move back to two three spots.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I think like the Saints are most likely both of
their tackles are Ryan Ramcheck might not play this year,
and then Trevor Penning really struggles, So you know they're
gonna probably take a tackle Denver probably not. They probably
need a playmaker, they need a quarterback, but I think
they're not gonna be able to move up to how
to get one.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
So you just never done.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
All right, We're done with tackle talk. Let's get back
to receivers because here is the critical point today's draft
podcast from a New York Jets perspective, Lejay Dosible, What
is a bigger need for the Jets in twenty twenty
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four and beyond wide receiver or tackle? Mike Williams coming
off in ACL Yeah, one of the best vertical threats
in the National Football League. No doubt they're gonna have
a great plan in place for him. Tyron Smith played
about seventy three percent of snaps last year in Dallas,
thirteen games, all Pro player Morgan Moses coming off with
(27:59):
torn pack and you said surgery as well. Both those
guys thirty three. All those guys have contracts that expire
correct at that end of the season. So Lejay figg
your need for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's a receiver. To me, there's no way even with
Mike Williams signing.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You said coming off in ACL as well, you just
never know how those are gonna respond. There's no way
Garrett Wilson can go out there by himself again after
what he went through last year, even with Aaron Rodgers
at quarterback, and you talked about it, if you get
a receiver in the top ten, if the draft were
to fall the way it falls for the Jets, then.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You're talking about not having to rush on Mike Williams back. Right.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
That gives you time where he can really rehab and
not go out there until he's truly comfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And you know, I brought up a guy Roma Dunes.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I think if it's perfectly for the Jets, just because
it'll allow them to stick Garrett Wilson in the slot
a lot more and he won't have to have that
safety over the top because with Rome's catch rate is
and his ability to go up and get the ball
and it's not fifty to fifty, it's more seventy thirty
when he comes down with the ball. Kind of reminds me,
I know, people probably get me crazy and Larry Fitzgerald
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in that manner as far as being able to come
down with those contested catches, his suddenness at the line
of scrimmage, and he can line up all up and
down as far as lining up in the slot, lining
up at you know, outside, and he can run every
route and his win rate is ridiculous on every route
in the route tree. So it just makes too much sense.
It just depends on how the draft board falls.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
He is what makes Marvin Harrison Junior unique and also
should we even waste our time talking about him, because
in all due respect to Marvin Harrison, you're going to
have to give up what a king's ransom for sure,
I think.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So, okay, Yeah, when you look at Marvin Harrison, he
just does everything really well. Great body control as far
as being able to separate at the top of the
route and go up and get the ball with great
body control, as well. He could take slants the distance, right.
He's a strong receiver, just us everything really well. He's
probably the most polished guy, which makes sense just knowing
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his dad, right, it's the most polished guy. I don't
think it makes sense to trade up just because when
you look at all three of the top guys Harrison Junior,
Eleak Neighbors, and Romandoneza, Like, I don't know if there's
that much difference now, they're different games for sure. It's
all about the flavor that you want. Nobody has the
better stop and start than Elaite Neighbors. He's a big
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play waiting to happen. He literally could take a curl route,
which is like a six or seven yard route eighty
yards right, Like, he has that get up speed. He
kind of reminds me of I'm not talking about the player,
but as far as this aspect Deebo Samuel. As far
as the get up to zero to sixty, nobody does
it quicker than Elak Neighbors. Right, So if you want
that type of explosive play, it kind of reminds me
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of DJ Moore in that aspect as well. So again,
like when people were talking about Chicago and I don't
think my Lage Neighbors is going to fall to number nine,
But if he were there, that wouldn't make sense to
me because him and DJ Moore are similar players and aspect.
And then I just talked about what I felt about
Roman Dunsay. I think he can run every route, his
suddenness at the line of scrimmage to get open.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I don't think it's talked about enough.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I heard one scouts say that that kind of reminds
them them of the Vonte Adams in the way he's
able to get separation at the line of scrimmage right,
and people were saying he doesn't really separate. I'm like,
what film are you watching? Like, yeah, literally, the out
and up versus Boise State literally left the dB like
seven yards behind him, like what he did versus the
University of Texas where there's going to be multiple first
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round picks in that game. He was clearly the best
player on the field that day. So again, it's all
about flavor. I don't think there's like major differences as
far as h what their skill set or what their.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Ceilings could be in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
When you talk about Roma Donsay, Eligue Neighbors and Marvin
Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
But I think Rome is going to be the best
one when it said it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Done, which is saying a lot because there's a lot
of people think those other guys are gonna be stars
as well. All right, so you love Rome? Yeah, Okay,
let's just say Joe Douglas makes the trades on April,
makes the calls on April twenty fifth potential moving off
doesn't happen. Those three receivers are off the board. How
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big of a gap is it from whoever your third
rank receiver in that category is, which for you, I
don't even know who your third would be because he
just said you love Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well he's one of the top three, right right, So
if all three are gone, you're saying, who's the next guy?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
No, I I just thought to myself too when we're
talking about Marvin Neighbors in Rome, you love them all.
It's almost like you love them all he will even
though you think.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That Rome a little bit above har like right now?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So how big of a gap does
it go from whoever that third taking off the board
is to I think we're having consensus now that might
Brian Thomas might be number on.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I don't even think it's consistent. I think every team
in the NFL feels the same way. I think he's
gonna go a lot higher than people originally thought he
would go. And when you talk about tiers, yeah, those
guys are Tier one. I think Brian Thomas, just because
of the upside, is a Tier one point five.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I don't think he's actually in Tier two.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
When you talk about the speed element, think he ran
what four to three to three at the combine and
you see it on tape and literally run by guys,
but he actually is a pretty good route runner on
dig routes and drag routes as well.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And then you talked about it seventeen touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
What he does with his body in the red zone
to contort his body and go up and get the
ball at his highest point, that's where he kind of
separates himself for the rest of the pack, not the
top three guys, but the rest of the pack. That's
why it's like it's not Tier two for him, He's
like Tier one point five. I think teams are starting
to feel that too, and especially if three of the
receivers going in the top ten. Could a team like
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the Buffalo Bills get Anty and try to move up
to get them because they feel like there's probably a
drop off between him and the Lab mcconkey's, Xavier Lagets
the you know, a d Mitchell's.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
What do you think of mcconkee.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I love him. I think he's gonna go in the
back of the first in.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Ky is a team that makes too much sense for
him to be there exactly. So, probably the best purest
route runner in this draft, without a doubt. And I
knew we had as we were saying in the locker room,
he's got some get up about him. Yeah, I didn't
know he was that fast though. The funny thing is
when you put just his numbers from the combine and
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hype weight and everything on the board, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Who was comparable to No. Our number one receiver.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Here, Jarrett Wilson, really had the exact same numbers, which
is crazy, right.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
So Yeah, I think Lab McConkie.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Like you're talking about round one prospect, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I think he's a sleeper to go with the back
of the first round.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think Kansas City is a team that, like I
was talking about earlier, could make some make a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Lab McConkie had picked thirty two.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Loo get where do you staying with him? He's dangerous
after the catch yees, big, big receiver reminds me of
a little bit of a Quincy Noonwhaha.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's so good. I would say that Brandon Marshall.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, big.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Physical receiver can go up and get the fifty to
fifty jump ball. Just turn on the North Carolina film
from week one. I mean him and Spencer Raller, even
though Ratler was under the rest that game, they were
putting in work versus North Carolina. He can run the
dig routes. Physical guy, hard to really bring down. I
think he should stay close to home early in the
second round. The Carolina Panthers make two months. Since they
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have two second round picks, I think only seven picks
apart from each other. I think with their first pick
they should take Xavirieler to get and give Bryce Young
a number one receiver. Now, they did trade for Deontay Johnson,
but they don't have a receiver. That's kind of that's
like Xavirierler to get on their roster.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Where does dudes, we're gonna get back to the receiver
in just second. Stand on brock Bowers.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So very explosive weapon, right, I ain't gonna call him
a tity. He's a weapon on offense, one of the
most explosive weapons in football. We talked about body control earlier.
Just turn on at Auburn tape. He single handedly won
that game for Georgia because they were down, but when
he came out in the third quarter, he was unguardable
and he was tripled in double team.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And we talked about that. But your hierarchy is that
those three receivers, you're taking them in front of Bowers.
You are, But I'm saying, like, if those three are gone,
you're a ten trying to move back. As we talk
about the tackle position, which we know that still is
in need, you're gonna have to edit the tackle here
in the drafts to talk about developing in house as well,
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and also you'd have to get receiver later. But where
do you stand on Bowers?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, positional value is a real thing, right, I think
that's rich Etton, But he is somebody you probably do
consider just because he's that good of an offensive weapon, right,
He's gonna be able to create nightmares in the middle
of the field and down the scene for a safety
or linebacker trying to guard him one on one. And
I think is he is a willing blocker. I know
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people kind of see him as like a flex out
tight end, but he's a willing blocker, like he'll get
in your way and try to get after you something
like even though he isn't the biggest body ever. But
excuse me, as far as explosive ability, there isn't a
tight end that has that what he has in this draft.
And I just think ten is a little rich for
me just because of the position of value. And then
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you look at the tight end room for the Jets.
I love, you know, I love our tight end room,
Jets tight ends room. When you look at a guy
like Tyler Konklin, who all during camp add a real
rapport with Rogers and even with Zach Wilson, had a
really good report, especially down the scene.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And then Jeremy Rutger, I think is going.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
To be a really good tight end, Like I think
he's going to be the future at that position, a
guy that will literally rip your face off in the
run game. And we saw that towards the back of
his rookie year, they started playing the more and we
saw him literally the cleading guys. And then last year,
especially after the cj Usama injury, and then they decided
to bench him like he played a lot more and
you saw the physicality of Jeremy Rutcker, and then Kenny
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you BoA's a really good tight end as well as
a third guy. And then let's not forget they drafted
a guy last year and the seventh and Zach Kon.
So I think the Jets have a really deep tight
end room. So yes, could brock Bauers be generational and
a foundational piece, of course, but I just think at
pick number ten, that's just a little rich for a
tight end.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So it's a luxury pick there.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
You like him as a prospect, Let's be clear here.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I love him as a prospect actually, But.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
For the Jets, you like what your room looks like, correct,
and you have more glaring needs elsewhere for sure, So
that's why you probably you as the GM probably don't
go in that dress.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I wouldn't just because again, positional value is a real thing,
even though people try to make it seem like it's not.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
All right, we got on here on quarterbacks. Okay, Okay,
So we spent a lot of time talking about kay
Love and Drake and Jayden and JJ. Let's go beyond that, Okay.
Do the Jets need a development mental quarterback here in
the draft?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
For sure? They do.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Okay, I think Day three makes a lot of sense
in the fourth round. And a guy that you know,
I have an affinity with, Michael Pratt. I mean, those
with so much touch can throw at all three levels
of the field. Now, doesn't have the biggest arm, right,
and struggle sometimes on throws down the field outside the numbers.
But you talk about being a leader, right, three time captain,
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all he did was win at Twaine. Even after losing
Taj Spears and Doria Williams. He went back to the
American Conference championship with his main receiver, Jawan Jackson, missing
most of the season this year. Jawuan Jackson is probably
gonna be a third round pick this year, so without
him playing on the field, he still took his team
to the conference championship game. We saw what he did
for USC, and now again we know USC doesn't scare
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you on defense, but he still put up a fifty
burger on them boys. So like Michael Pratt with the
intangibles of being a leader right the winning ways. I
think just makes a lot of sense for him to
come in in the fourth round behind a guy like
Tyrod Taylor and Aaron Rodgers for two years and potentially
be the guy two years down the road.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
How about a name that is very popular.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Joe Milton huh okay, and.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Listen, hey, listen, if I want to win a long
ball thrown competition, he is. He's a guy Jordan Travis,
Florida State. Yeah, coming off of devastating what does the
film show you? And would you take a flyer? Where?
(40:37):
Would where do you think he should go on this draft?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
So when you look at Jordan Travis's film, to me,
he was the best quarterback in the ACC last year.
And I'm saying something with Drake May being a guy
that's probably gonna go top five right, Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Too inconsistent with the accuracy. He's what I saw on film,
definitely a playmaker with his legs like and the crazy
thing is he's not even he's not even a big
I want to say he's like five, But when you
turn on a film, he runs like he's two hundred
and twenty fine hours. That could be a concern because
he is a quarterback and you don't want him getting hurt,
which he ended up did. He ended up getting hurt
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last year, and supposedly he should be maybe ready for
the spring when it comes around from what I've been hearing.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
But yeah, there's some stuff there.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Doesn't have the biggest arm sometimes tries the guy the
ball instead of just letting it rip.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think it's because a lack of arm strength as well.
So I know a lot of Jet fans.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Have been, you know, kind of on the Jordan Travis
tell maybe try to take him in the sixth round
if he's there.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, right, or available about him.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, which which I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I just think that's a better prospect and has a
better chance to be a guy in the future than
Jordan Truck.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I don't know if you could consider this guy a
developmental prospect or not, but I thought he was a
good college quarterback. That's Sam Hartman. He transferred to Notre Dame.
I don't I don't think he pops off the charts
as far as physical traits, but I do think there's
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something there.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah. The funny thing is I think if I'm not mistaken,
I think he ran like a four to six or
a four to seven. Come I nobody saw happening.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
The only thing, the only thing that reminded me of
that was I think it was the game from not
mistaken first Duke when it was like third and like
nineteen and he.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Took off for a first down. I was like, where
did that come from? H?
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
So I mean to me, I think he would.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Have actually had a better chance of going high in
the draft if it came out last year after Wake
for it in too many ups and downs. Yeah, when
you talk about it, like even the USC game that
they won, like he didn't actually play well in that game,
Like the Dame's defense played extremely well in that game.
Just too many turnovers, inconsistency with where to go with
the football, and he's another guy that doesn't have the
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biggest arm as well. But you love the intangibles as
far as being a leader, being able to be at
Wake Forest for all the those years and lead them
to a lot of victories and even transferring to Notre
Dame historic program, right and you know, things look kind
of bleak for a second there, but he was able
to finish off the season strong with them as well.
So he's a guy that you know, maybe if you
haven't taken the quarterback, you may be taking filler at
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at the seventh and the seventh round. Because I think
the Jets have two seven round picks, yes, including mister irrelevant,
which I know that's what you're trying to go there.
We saw, you know, we saw Rock Party go mister irrelevant.
Could could say him Sam Hartman be the next Rock
per That's what everybody always wants to ask. But I
just I just think I think they just need to
address the developmental guy, probably with one of.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Their forefront picks.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Pratt is the guy and not a drop off for
you as far as developmental prospects.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, so a lot of people will say Joe Milton
has the highest ceiling at quarterback just because he has.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
But I feel like that I'm not busted on Joe Milton.
I think that bet saying that for years. As far
as his ability, Yes, a lot of like monster parts
where you're like, oh my god, guy you throw the
ball at the stadium, Oh my god, he's fast, he's big. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
The accuracy, the accuracy is all over the place. The
one thing I do love about Joe Millon. He doesn't
put the ball in harm's way, So you like that
as a quarterback, But again, you got to be able
to control that that bazooka of an arm right as
far as throwing with accurate especially underneath throws, intermediate throws,
we know he could throw the ball down the field
like he could throw the leather off the ball. He
can literally be on his knees and probably throw it
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eighty yards. But it's more than like you said, it's
not just about the longest throw competition playing quarterback.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
There's so much more than that. So know a lot
of people have been enamory with him.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Because he does have the physical traits also to run
the ball as well.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
He's a really good athlete.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
But I just think when you look at Michael Pratt's
game and I didn't even talk about his athletic ability.
They used him in quarterback runs and you see the
toughness for Michael Pratt as well. I just think as
a developmental guy, he makes the most sense.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I'm actually worried now the more you talk about Pratt
and the more I read about he's gonna go in
the third round round a third last fourth round pick,
so he could go in the third. And it's an
interesting dynamic for the Jets because you're not sitting there
with the second round pick. So that third round pick,
it's big in today's day and age. You want a
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third round pick, ain't you come in and contribute immediately?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, you really do.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, we talked about this the other day. Your third
four fifth round picks have to eventually be spot starters
or turn into stutters. And the third round pick is
more of like on that cust on that teen leering
in the line, because first the second round you want
them to come in to make immediate impacts, whether it's
either you know, your second round pick on special teams
or he's a third receiver, maybe even fourth receiver, but
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making a you know, impact on special teams. But the
third round pick is always that you're gonna develop them,
but you kind of want them to turn into being
a guy. Right, So, like, I know we're gonna get
into this the third round pick. In my mock draft.
A lot of people got mad at me, uh, but
they obviously haven't looked at the roster.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
I went Cold Bishop from Utah. It was one of
my favorite players. In this draft.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
You know, I talked to Charles Davis about him at
lead meetings.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
People that know no, people that know no, Like that
would be a home run pick in the third round
for the just because if you currently look at the roster, right,
you got Chuck Clark coming off of major injury, Tony Adams,
and then who.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Else do you have? JB Yeah, exactly so, and I
think played corner right and made a transition so like
and didn't play at all last year.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Oh, Robert said last week they'll carry four. They don't
have four right now?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
You don't even.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
So I don't even know how you get mad at
me from mocking Cole Bishop to the Jets in the
third round, because if you look at with jeff Aulbrick
and also Robert Halla, do a lot of three safety
says did y'all?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Y'all forget Ashton Davis played a.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Lot on defense last year, especially in the back half
of the season.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
So like, right now, if one of your safeties get hurt,
who's coming in? All right?
Speaker 1 (46:57):
So we're here, sweak and we're going to do an
entire first round mock draft, and that's how we're going
to finish our pre draft podcast series here, But dudes,
how do you rank the Jets' needs added into the draft? Hum?
Speaker 2 (47:15):
So when you look at it, I would say receiver one,
safety are close to close to like I think, I
don't think people understand how big safety is the need
for this team. Now again, purpose time by saying there's
a lot of good safety still on the market and
Joe Deeck is probably still working behind you know, the
(47:35):
phone line, so we'll see how that pans out.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
But just going into the draft as today, right, safety
is a big need I think. And people get mad
at me about this detackle even though they signed three guys,
they're all on one year deals. Again, if you want
to have sustained success, you got to have somebody that
can grow with Quinn Williams inside. And then I think
office a tackle and I say that and people look
(47:57):
at me crazy. My thing is, just have a first
round pick and a third round pick right if you
take it. If you don't take an offensive tackle in
the first round, let mean just taking them in the third, fourth,
or sixth round or the two seventh rounds, which means
he's gonna be a developmental guy.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
That doesn't mean he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Most likely play this year, or you're hoping that he
doesn't play or is forcing the action. So you know,
people got bad at me because I didn't mark a
tackle until the sixth round for the Jets. But my
thing is when you take a Max Mitchell in the
fourth and you take a Carter Warren in the fourth,
good teams are able to develop third, fourth and fifth
round picks to become spot starters or starters. You would
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think Carter Warren, second year in this in this offense,
would take a step. Max Mitchell's was his first time
with his offensive line coach last year, so you think
his second year with this offensive line coach, he would
take a major step.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So if those are your third and fourth tackles, that's
how you build sustained success. Right.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
If you look at our teams do it. The Baltimore Ravens,
they do it all the time. Like they were willing
to trade away Morgan Moses because they took Dagian Fool
a few years ago and they're hoping that he can
step into the tackle. If not, they'll draft the first
round tackle.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
So keep on replenishing.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Also, you gotta develop guys.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
And also you're paying younger guys to correct because once
you start getting that second contract, then that the dollars
come exactly, pay everybody exactly.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
So like, people are like, you didn't addrest the whole lot.
So to me, you have to think about this in
roster building. If you take a guy in a third, fourth,
or fifth round, are you really expecting him to be
the guy at offensive tackle in year one? No, you're
not so Like to me, I took a guy Tyler Grabile.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
If you are your roster is not good, you're.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Being You're struggling. You're struggling.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I took Tyler Grable from UCF in the sixth round,
who blew up the combine very athletic tackle as a
developmental guy, and nobody talked about it. They're like, you
didn't adjust the tackle is I'm like, we're not getting
a tackle to start unless we take him at number ten, right,
So like, and then even we take him at number ten,
if the other two guys stay healthy, he's not playing
this year. So like, to me, you have to understand
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in regards to building a roster, it's all about developing
your third, fourth, fifth round picks to eventually be starters
or spot starters at worse.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
All right, So the synopsis of today is, dudes wants
a receiver here first round? Oh yeah, he likes Rock Bowers.
I do a lot, but probably not for the Jets.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
To Richard tackle, yes, but not necessarily early correct and
developmental quarterback late.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
That's gonna happen for sure. And safety and safety is
a sneaky.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I don't even think it's sneaky. I think it's monumental.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Monumental.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Okay, we lost Jordan Whitehead, who got it?
Speaker 3 (50:44):
I mean again, we got Chuck Clark, but he's coming
off of major knee injury. So it's just like you
have to address that issue now. I know you had,
you know, talk to my guy Salah and you know
he put it out there asking me, we love you,
we love it.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
That would be great that they can sign. Even if
they do something, I think they still need to draft.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
To die good stuff. Next week it's time for a
Minck draft.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Who is almost here? Yeah, it's almost here.
Welcome into the Official Jets podcast. Eric own here at
one Jets Drive and I brought jadusible all the way
up from South Florida. How does it feel to be
back in your old environment.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's great. You know. It's started getting a little warm
in South.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Florida, Ea, and I like warm weather, but I don't
like it being this warm this early in April. So
to get a nice little fifty sixty degree weather. Heard
it's supposed to get up to seventy today. It feels
good to be back.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Home, all right, So you have a full day of
taping here inside the studio Audi Performance Studio. Do you
get nostalgic driving back into the facility? It's like one
of the first things you said to me in the
car this morning was players are back next week, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey? You just get that feel, man.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Matter of fact, When I landed last night, Ea, I
called my mom and was like, Yo, I'm in Jersey,
and she I didn't tell I was coming here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's like, what are you doing here? You know, I'm
shooting some stuff with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
When I got Ea, and I just got that feel,
you know, just riding down the road from the Newark
airport back, you know, towards the facility. I stayed not
too far from the facility last night, and, like you said,
the first question I asked you was like, hey, I
think the fellas are back in town next week.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You get that feel, even when you retired, you still
get that feel. You know, it's time to get back
to work.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, a lot of exciting things going on here with
the Jets in the entire organization. The draft now is
about what two weeks away? Two weeks away, we're here
here Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, we're here.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's crazy April twenty fifth or twenty seventh. So we've
kind of done a roster reset in the past, yep.
Where the Jets are after the league year, and how
many moves Joe Douglas made and free agency via trade
and resigning his own players. Where I wanted to start
today was the trade chart. Okay, Like I want to
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read off some numbers to you. Get my glasses out
here for those listening. You don't, you don't got to
worry about this. But depending on what trade chart you
go to, the Jets, round one pick is worth thirteen
hundred points. Just to give some background here, dudes, the
Jets obviously don't have that second round pick. So you
go to round three, that's number seventy two overall, that's
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two hundred and thirty points. Round four, their first pick
seventy two points. Round four, second pick thirty eight and
a half points, Round six, seventeen point four, Round seven
to one, Round seven, mister irrelevant, one pick. So draft capital,
as far as a couple of the trade draft value
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charts out there right now, stands at sixteen hundred fifty
nine points. The reason why I bring that up is
so we go back and say the Jets thirteen hundred
points with that tenth overall.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
This is crazy to say the rest of the totality
is only like three hundred more point.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, you don't like that. You don't like that as
a four round drafted free agent.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, that's a crazy drop off.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So you're saying the first round pick what I get
is worth thirteen because it's the top ten pick. Then
the rest of the six picks in totality are only
worth three hundred Yeah right, goodness great.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So for comparison's sake, Chicago holds the number one overall selection.
Take a stab what that number one overall selection?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Two thousand, three thousand. The math isn't Matthew, isn't Mathew.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You don't like this.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I don't like this at all.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You don't like this chart, and I.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Get it number one overall.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Like, that's in a different strategy, right, You would probably
even say top five picks are in a different strategy there,
but literally to be double a top ten pick, yes,
like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, goodness gracious.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So this is why we start the conversation here. Annie scenario.
If you're Joe Douglas, do you move up? You don't
have a second round pick, Yeah, we just talked about it.
You go to the third, you got two and a fourth.
Those are valuable picks. You got a couple in the
(04:01):
seventh as well, correct. I mean to me, those are
just flyers. But let's just start there in the first round.
Any scenario, to me, it only makes sense.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And this is if the board depending on how it
plays out, right, Yeah, say one of the top three receivers,
two of them are gone by pick seven. Yes, I'd
be picking up the phone calling Chicago at nine or
maybe even Atlanta at eight to see what it would
take to move up one or two spots.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And depending on the chart that we just went over.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You probably have to give up some future picks from
next year, because, like you said, as far as the
Jets having the draft capital to potentially move up this year,
it's going to be extremely tough. Now, you would assume
that third round pick is already going to have to
be part of that package, right, and then what else
would you have to throw in there? Maybe a fourth
and maybe a third from next year. It just depends
on what the part the point chart says. So if
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you're Joe Douglas, I mean, it's really interesting, right because
there's so many scenarios here that you can go to.
But that's the only scenario I'll see where he maybe
thinks about it, right, depending on you know, Atlanta Chicago
eight to nine, Right, you don't think Atlanta's going to
take a receiver, most likely going to take an edge
guy because they have three receivers already. They did a
really good job of for to fying that roster this offseason.
(05:14):
So you call it Atlanta, you call Chicago, who could
be in the need for a receiver, so they may
not even pick up your phone call. But that's the
only scenario I see. If by pick seven, two of
the top three receivers are gone.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You said Atlanta, yep. Are they the first team in
the twenty twenty four draft that takes a defensive player?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I believe so.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
When you got Raheem Morris coming over from LA defensive
minded coach, he's been synonymous with having guys being able
to get to the quarterback. Right now, they have Arnold
Bucatio on one side, who took a second year growth
last year, but they need to add somebody next time.
I think a guy like Dallas Turner or Jared Versus
makes too much sense to really build that defense around.
You still got Gary Grady Jarrett inside and David Anyamato,
(05:57):
who are really good defensive tackles, but they need some edge.
You need a consistent guy that can get to the quarterback.
So I think at pick number eight, that would be
the first time that a team takes a defensive player,
and it's going to be the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Speaking of trades, do you think anybody moves off at three, four, five,
starting with the Patriots? So you say that, hey, they
got Jakobe Brissett. He pens some themen as a starter
in year one. It's a perfect situation.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You take a quarterback and that's the team to me.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, I know people are talking about the Arizona Cardinals
being in a sweet spot at the number four spot
because they have Kyler Murray as a quarterback, so they
could trade back. But to me, it's the New England Patriots,
especially if the draft goes Caleb Williams and then goes
Jaden Daniels. Could the Patriots, if they're not in love
with Drake may or JJ McCarthy decide, you know, we
have so many holes on this roster, let's get at
(06:48):
King's ransom to move back. And most presumably it's probably
going to be the Minnesota Vikings who have I believe
pick eleven and twenty three if I'm not mistaken, and
they probably get some draft capital for next year's draft
as well. If you pay, could you gain an extra
first round pick this year and some other picks to
really fill that hole and maybe even take a fire
at a quarterback in the second round, whether it's Bow
Knicks or Spencer Rattler, because like you said, they have
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Jacoby Brissett, who I believe can be a starter in
this league and has proved every time people a team
has called upon him. He's been able to play adequate
football and get you in a winning situation.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Arizona, that four you see them going receiver? Is that
the first team that takes a receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, they lost all their receivers. No way, they're not
leaving the first round without a receiver. When you talk
about Hollywood Brown, you know going to the Kansas City
Chiefs and then Rondelle Moore being traded to the Atlanta Falcons.
So you got to give Carlin Murray some help on
that side of the ball. You gotta give him a
big time receiver. I think it'd be hard press for
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the Arizona Cardinals to move back just because you can
get a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior. And if you
do trade out of that number four spot and you
get to eleven, you're missing out on the top three.
So if you're that regime, you're Manti awsome for it right,
and you have Kyler Murray, You're gonna build the team
around him. You got to get him a number one playmaker.
So I don't think the Arizona Cardinals we'll move out
(08:14):
of the number four spot. That's why I think it's interesting.
Depending on how the draft falls. I think New England
could be a team that potentially moves back.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, Chargers five Watson Winn is the line of scrimmage,
but you see receiver here as well, because there's been
a lot of movement in that position. Mike Williams resides
here in Florence Park, and you got Keenan Allen now
suiting up for the Bears, which sounds.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Very weird to say, Yeah, that sounds a lot. It
sounds really weird.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But a what we'll learn and what we've learned throughout
the past year is that its smoke screen season right
around this time. It's always about a month before the draft,
maybe even a few weeks. And I remember, you know,
Jim Hallball, I think it was at the owners meetings
coming out and said you got to build through the
line of scrimmage. Right now, they have an all world
left tackle already. My thing is if you take Joe
Alt there and you move him the right, is that
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going to really bode well? And if you look at
the you know Chargers current receiving room, right, it's been
goody you talked about it. Mike Williams is here, Keenan
Allen is it with the Chicago Bears. They did take
Quinton Johnston last year in the first round, so you
hope he takes a elape too. But you still have
one of the most gifted quarterbacks in the lead, and
Justin Herbert, you have to get him a number one receiver.
(09:23):
Even if Quentin Johnson does get that, you know, second
year growth, you still need to pair him with somebody.
We know Jim Harball wants to be physical with the
line of scrimmage and run the football, but you gotta
have viable receivers for your big time quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
All right, So you think New England could move out,
you think probably Arizona stays. Chargers probably stay. Yeah, Giants, ooh, Giants,
dependent on what they think at the quarterback position. They
could use a receiver as well. Yeah, okay, and then
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we go to Tennessee because I want to talk about
all these teams that potentially have an impact on the
Jets and the positions that really would make a fit
for Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
So when you look at the Giants, like you said,
they still need ain't number one receiver, but there's rumors
that they could be in the quarterback market, right because
let's not forget Joe Shane and Brian day Ball. They
didn't take Daniel Jones, right, they kind of adopted him,
just to use words, they adopted him right.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And every GM and.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Head coach wants to be able to pick their quarterback
of the future right and be stuck with their quarterback
because that's usually how you either keep your job or
lose your job, depending on the quarterback position. So they're
at a really good spot at six where they could
take a quarterback if they do like JJ McCarthy or
saying Drake May's there, or Minnesota ends up trading with
New England to get Drake May, then you may not
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even have to trade up to get JJ McCarthy if
that's who you want. But if not, right, if they
decide to go with Danie Jones and maybe take a
quarterback filler in the second round, then this is where
it gets interesting for the Jets, right, because we just
talked about, you know, there is on the Connors maybe
staying pat taking Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Then you would assume the Chargers take Elikue.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Neighbors, So could it be receiver receiver receiver at four,
five and six, That's where it gets really interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
For the Jets.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And that's why I just think every year going into
the drivet, everybody thinks they know, but nobody has.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Nobody has an idea of what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But you started this conversation off by saying talking about receivers,
you're not talking about tackles.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That that's that said something, right, because people people who
have been saying this is a generational type tackle class,
and I think it is. But I think that's another
reason why teams will be more comfortable taking a tackle
in the second round, because there's gonna be some guys
that most likely fall because you got to think in
the teams, there's gonna be some defensive backs. I got
in my my mock drive at least five cornerbacks going
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in the first round, right, So you look at that,
you got the offensive tackles and this is a really
good receiver group.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But after the top.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Three there's a off and Brian Thomas is almost in
that tier. He's not in that tier yet, but then
even after him, there's a massive drop off again.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So his numbers were crazy, like, oh, they were insane.
A guy that can really stretch the field can go
up and get the fifty to fifty jump off.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
He's a weapon in the red zone. And I think
it's he's just coming into his own. I think he's
gonna be a better pro, which is crazy to say
what you talk about the numbers that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He had a seventeen receivers last touchdowns like Danielsmon Neighbors,
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
So like, I think he's gonna only get better because
last year was this really first productive year in college football.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So he's just coming into his own.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So he's not at where the top three guys are
when you talk about you know, Harrison Junior, Molik Neighbors,
and Roman Doonze, but he's right under him. And then
I think there's a separation between him and like Ady Mitchell,
Xavier Worthy, and I guess you could even throw Xavier Legett,
Lamb McConkie and then also Keyon Coleman in that group
as well.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I think Tennessee's fascinating to me from a jet's perspective,
just because Bill Callahan is one of the best offensive
line coaches in the history of the National Football League.
They're gonna tell me a lot what they think about
the offensive line class, for sure, but by where they go, yeah,
and potentially Tennessee is a team. I know they spent
(13:17):
some money in certain places this year Calvin Ridley, but
at the same time they feel like a team of transition.
So I wonder if they move out. And I'm wondering
who's on the board there for the Jets at ten.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
My thing is if Joe Autz there at seven, I
don't think they would have got that in their wildest dream.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I think they're running that card. They need a left tackle.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
They swung the miss with Andre Diller last year, yes,
and kudos I ran Cartin by not, you know, compounding
that mistaken and keeping keeping him on the roster. But
if Joe All, I think Aolu Shanu are there, I
think they're running that cart in honestly, because they need
a left tackle. Petit Frairier can play right tackle as well.
He doesn't have to be your left tackle. And then
I think they're solid because they took Peter Skorwaranski at
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guard last year or so. You talk about getting a
blue chip guy at pick number seven, where you thought
potentially maybe both of those guys could be gone. Now
it looks like one of the two, or maybe even
both will be there at seven.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Chicago feels like a wild card and a lot of
people are saying, wow, receiver, but you're talking about scenarios
where receivers could go early those exactly, So what is
Chicago going to do? Are they possible trade out candidate?
And then we get back to the Jets again and say, so,
(14:31):
if I'm looking at the top ten, how early is
it realistic for the Jets to move up to That's
that's what far's the number?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, And that's why I said, depending on what happens
in the first seven picks. When you get to Tennessee
and they don't take a receiver and there's only one left,
that's why I think you start getting on the phone calls,
potentially calling the Atlanta Falcons, who you assume it is
going to take a defensive guy.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So sevenrect seven, eight, nine, I think seven is going
to be too rich to move up.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And honestly, I don't think Tennessee moves out of that
spot because they'll be able to get the tackle that
they want in this draft if it pans out the
way we just talked about, or even if they don't
get being able to get Joe All say he does
go to the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You got Olu still there at.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Pick number seven as well as you can really build
your offensive line around, So I don't think they'll move
out of that spot. But when you get to eight
and nine the Atlanta Falcons, you assume is gonna are
going to take a defensive guy right to put on
the edge. And then if I'm the Chicago Bears and
this is not me just being a Jets guy, you
do have Keenan Allen, right, you have co Comet, you
signed Everett in the offseason. You still have a number
(15:38):
one receiver and Dj Moore Yeah right, So like I
know a lot of people saying they could take another receiver,
but I'm like, you have a treat Like Dj Moore
is a number one receiver.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And he proved it last year there too.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, So like to me, we saw how Montest Sweat
transformed this defense. Just imagine if you put somebody on
the opposite side of him, where now you can't just
double Montest? What in the Chicago Bears had the number
one defense the last six weeks of the season, right,
number one scoring defense, number one interceptions and number one
and rushing touchdowns giving up So I think defense just
(16:12):
makes a lot of sense. Ebra Flus, another defensive minded coach,
really wants to lock in and hone in and solidify
that defense.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
With another edge guy.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I think Chicago it could be edge edge, Atlanta, Atlanta
go edge, then Chicago go edge.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Is Olu there attend then?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So that's the question, right if he is there at
ten depending on what the Chargers I think chargers to
me are, the is the biggest wildcard because they could
take Olne, they could take receiver.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That'll determine the rest.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Of the top five picks right in how they kind
of fall. So when you look at it, could Rome
be there, could Olu be there? If Rome isn't there
and Olu's there, this is the scenario that we talked about, right.
He is a scenario where because Olu Forshano probably has
the highest upside fashion for sha has the highest upside
(17:01):
of tackle, do you take him even though this could
be like a red shirt year for him because if
Tymn Smith and also if Borg and Moses are healthy,
even though he went top ten, are you throwing them
in there in front of them?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So it's just like it doesn't essentially help the Jets now,
but it does help them in the future. Or is
this a scenario where you're like, you know what, we
still like to lease Fuaga. There's still Fatinu out there
as well. Do we trade back, get some draft capital
and potentially get another second round pick that we don't
have right now in this year's draft.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I feel like a lot of people haven't talked about
the prospect he just brought up as Fatano from Washington
left tackle.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Now he's in the conversation now.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Nasty brings a versatility. Yeah, okay, so let's go through
the tackles look kind of like a rapid fire. You
don't think all it will be there a ton. I
don't think you think Tennessee makes the most sense. With
that being said, he's a highest floor as far as
tackles or ault No.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Has the highest you know.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Highest ceiling, but the highest floor for alt I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Saying, yeah, yeah, right now, for sure, he's probably he's
the most game ready to play right now, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And he's the guy you figure that he's gonna be
playing ten years correct as a starter.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Left tackles six ' eight, moves well, able to move
guys off the line of scrimmage. My only concern with
him is that Ford Leani has in his past set
at Notre Dame. When you look at his film, there
wasn't a lot of speed rushers he technically played against.
You know, in the league, guys like a Son Radick
are burning the ad. So that Ford lean and it
gave a lot of people. Can't compare him to Mike mcglitchey.
(18:43):
That gave mcglitchy issues at San fran as well, So
that would be my only concern. But as far as
getting a guy that can play from day one, Joe
Alden is the guy professional highest ceiling not even closed.
Only twenty one years old. Yeah, he's still a young pup.
You knowbody reminds me of a lot a guy that
played here for a lot of years. The British offers right,
(19:05):
great positional blocker, does a good job finishing That armlength
is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
It just keeps guys at bay.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And people were saying, you know that Ohio State film
kind of worried them. It didn't really worry me. Like
people were saying he got beat with some power, but
he didn't give anything up though, Like, yes, there was
some some reps that you would like to have back,
but I love his recovery skills. And again he's still
so young. Like I said, the ceilings not even there yet.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
To me, he has the highest upside.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And then him being an honor study to Tyrone Smith.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Makes a lot of sense. Now. I know Jet Nation would, but.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You want a media contributor in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
But that's the thing, like, sometimes when you're in that scenario,
you gotta go best player available, because it's about the
longevity of the team, right and having that sustaining success
going forward. And I know a lot of people will
probably gruff because you'll be like, well, why not take
Troy Fotanu or trade back and get a guy as
or that it could slide into God or to least
Fuaga a guy that's versustil and could slide in. But
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just imagine having your left tackle for the next eleven
to fifteen years. Yeah, Like, if you want to have
sustained success, sometimes you gotta go best player available, right,
So if oulu fashion New falls to you, you have
to really consider it. Even though this could be a
retro year where he probably only spot starts for four
or five games, you gotta think about the future of the.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Jets of Fuaga. Oh nasty, just nasty. EA.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Like if you turn on that first game clip versus
Washington State literally decapitates the off off the ball linebacker.
You talk about athletic ability, and people were saying he
could slide in. I think he could just stay at
left tackle, and I know we're gonna talk about another guy, Yeah,
another guy Troy fontonknew, but talking about Fuaga, like, you're
gonna get that nastiness out of him, and you saw
it up the Singer Bowl. Like he's just he's never
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in a hurry in his past set, right, He's comfortable
and his pass set isn't passive EA, Like people talk
about past that is being passive.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
No, his passet is aggressive. He puts hands on guys.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
So you talk about bringing a nasty attitude to your
your team in locker room, that's what That's what, uh
you know to least Waga does.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
We talked about the Washington prospect, Troy yeah, yeah, So
why have I feel like the noise is starting to
pick up on him, But I don't know why he's
even kind of like out there. You're like, we've been
talking about for a while.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, like I didn't get it. I think I think
me and Daniel J. Myer, I don't want to say
one of the first few people on him as far
as him going high in the first.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Round, but everybody was talking about this dude moving to guard.
I'm like, did y'all not watch the film? Like the
athletic ability is out of this world, his recovery is
out of this world.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And ea I remember vividly in the.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Michigan game the College Football Playoffs on a screenplay, you
saw him get out and literally just to capitate a safety,
which I don't think people don't understand. When you're three
hund and ten pounds moving in space trying to block
a little guy, it's extremely hard. Not only did he
block him, he put him on his neck.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
So like people saying that this guy could move into guard, No,
keep him at tackle. Now, the thing is, with his versatility,
you have that luxury to move him inside.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Believe that dude in left tackle.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
It's rare that you find somebody with that type of
footwork and athletic ability to have the nastiness to finish,
but also gives you the versatility to move inside. So
I would take him at left tackle, but if you
need him to move inside, I think he could be
a really good guard as well too.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Too rich at ten, depending on the situation, I think you.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Could probably move back a few spots and get him
many teens. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
My thing is if you have an opportunity to draft
or get some draft capital, why not. But then, like
I said, yeah, we never know. I really loved Darnall Wright.
I didn't think he was going top ten though, so
you just never know.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Latham and Mems mems very interesting prospect because only games
that by definition is a project.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Project for sure. That's why I think back in the
first round San Francisco makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Uh they just you know, restruct that restructure, but gave
an extension to their right tackle, Colten mckimwick's. He could
stay behind him for a year and learn. He's one
of those guys, Hea, He's the guy that you want
walking off the bus first right. He looks like a
created player, talk about being like six eight, three hundred
and forty pounds, but doesn't look three forty. Looks like
he's too eighty, So a lot to steal gain from him.
(23:35):
Excuse me just because, like you said, only eight starts
so far. But the natural athletic ability is there. The
ability to get out and open space at three forty
is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And J C.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Latham nobody puts hands on people better than jac Latham
talk about he is a body mover. He moves you
against your will. Just go watch that Michigan game and
see what he did to Chris Jenkins. It was tough
sledding for the young defensive.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Tackle out there. And then and passport.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
The only thing that gives me some concerns is some
change direction issues, especially when defensive linement are running pass
rush games. He has some issues there, but I think
that's more communication. I think he's athletic enough, and I've
seen him be athletic enough to be able to keep
rushers at bay.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And sometimes it looks like he's not even trying out
there on the field.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
So I know guys were highed on him coming into
the season. Seems like some of it is tailed off,
but again we truly never know it. Allly takes us
one team to be extremely.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Happy with you.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Like I said last year, darn right being a right tackle,
I didn't see him going in the top ten, even
though I really loved this film, just because people always
talk about left tackle vers right tackle. I think we're
in NFL today where there's equal value in both. I
don't think teams look at one guy and say, you know,
we need a better left tackle than right tackle. I
just think they need somebody that can protect and play
at a high level. And we saw darn Darnall Wright
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do that at Tennessee, took him to the number ten pick.
Could that same thing happen with JC Latham?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
A lot of dudes in National Football League firing off
the ball from that left edge spot. So yes, right
tackle very valuable. How many tackles go on the first round?
Are you of the belief like money out there that
we could see seven.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Six, maybe seven?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
When you look at Joe aall fashion U for Tanu
to lease fu Waga Mims, I think Tyler Geiden, yeah,
maybe gets in there as well. And then there's a
there's another guy, did you have a part of that?
They see Latham at seven, could we get eight? Jordan
(25:29):
Morgan is another guy from the University of Arizona left tackle.
I think back of the first round when you look
at Pig thirty two. Now we know there's some things
going on with Kansas City and there receiving core right now,
could they go receiver? Could they go offensive tackle because
they need a left tackle now. Yange Morris played some
good reps for them last year but struggled at times
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as well.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
They left.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
You know, Donovan Smith has gone in free agency. Could
they go Jordan Morgan there and potentially show up that
left side for the best player in the NFL and
Patrick Mahomes or do they look at receiver.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
There specifically getting back to the Jets. For you, it
would be two guys that you consider a toen right,
it would be Olu or Alt. You don't think all
it's going to be there.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Olu could be just specifically tackled.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, yes, specifically tackle for you at ten. Now you
consider other dudes if you move back, no doubt. I mean,
man so would be tough. It'd be in a conversation,
would include him in that mix.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I would put him in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
The only thing is, again, if I'm Joe d if
I could move back a couple of spots and still
get him and get draft capital. But I think, just
like teams are gonna get nervous with that quarterback run.
I think teams are gonna get nervous with that tackle run.
You could potentially teams start to move up to get tackles.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yes, because if you wanted him, you don't want to
move back to two three spots.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I think like the Saints are most likely both of
their tackles are Ryan Ramcheck might not play this year,
and then Trevor Penning really struggles, So you know they're
gonna probably take a tackle Denver probably not. They probably
need a playmaker, they need a quarterback, but I think
they're not gonna be able to move up to how
to get one.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
So you just never done.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
All right, We're done with tackle talk. Let's get back
to receivers because here is the critical point today's draft
podcast from a New York Jets perspective, Lejay Dosible, What
is a bigger need for the Jets in twenty twenty
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four and beyond wide receiver or tackle? Mike Williams coming
off in ACL Yeah, one of the best vertical threats
in the National Football League. No doubt they're gonna have
a great plan in place for him. Tyron Smith played
about seventy three percent of snaps last year in Dallas,
thirteen games, all Pro player Morgan Moses coming off with
(27:59):
torn pack and you said surgery as well. Both those
guys thirty three. All those guys have contracts that expire
correct at that end of the season. So Lejay figg
your need for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's a receiver. To me, there's no way even with
Mike Williams signing.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You said coming off in ACL as well, you just
never know how those are gonna respond. There's no way
Garrett Wilson can go out there by himself again after
what he went through last year, even with Aaron Rodgers
at quarterback, and you talked about it, if you get
a receiver in the top ten, if the draft were
to fall the way it falls for the Jets, then.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You're talking about not having to rush on Mike Williams back. Right.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
That gives you time where he can really rehab and
not go out there until he's truly comfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And you know, I brought up a guy Roma Dunes.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I think if it's perfectly for the Jets, just because
it'll allow them to stick Garrett Wilson in the slot
a lot more and he won't have to have that
safety over the top because with Rome's catch rate is
and his ability to go up and get the ball
and it's not fifty to fifty, it's more seventy thirty
when he comes down with the ball. Kind of reminds me,
I know, people probably get me crazy and Larry Fitzgerald
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in that manner as far as being able to come
down with those contested catches, his suddenness at the line
of scrimmage, and he can line up all up and
down as far as lining up in the slot, lining
up at you know, outside, and he can run every
route and his win rate is ridiculous on every route
in the route tree. So it just makes too much sense.
It just depends on how the draft board falls.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
He is what makes Marvin Harrison Junior unique and also
should we even waste our time talking about him, because
in all due respect to Marvin Harrison, you're going to
have to give up what a king's ransom for sure,
I think.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So, okay, Yeah, when you look at Marvin Harrison, he
just does everything really well. Great body control as far
as being able to separate at the top of the
route and go up and get the ball with great
body control, as well. He could take slants the distance, right.
He's a strong receiver, just us everything really well. He's
probably the most polished guy, which makes sense just knowing
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his dad, right, it's the most polished guy. I don't
think it makes sense to trade up just because when
you look at all three of the top guys Harrison Junior,
Eleak Neighbors, and Romandoneza, Like, I don't know if there's
that much difference now, they're different games for sure. It's
all about the flavor that you want. Nobody has the
better stop and start than Elaite Neighbors. He's a big
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play waiting to happen. He literally could take a curl route,
which is like a six or seven yard route eighty
yards right, Like, he has that get up speed. He
kind of reminds me of I'm not talking about the player,
but as far as this aspect Deebo Samuel. As far
as the get up to zero to sixty, nobody does
it quicker than Elak Neighbors. Right, So if you want
that type of explosive play, it kind of reminds me
(30:48):
of DJ Moore in that aspect as well. So again,
like when people were talking about Chicago and I don't
think my Lage Neighbors is going to fall to number nine,
But if he were there, that wouldn't make sense to
me because him and DJ Moore are similar players and aspect.
And then I just talked about what I felt about
Roman Dunsay. I think he can run every route, his
suddenness at the line of scrimmage to get open.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I don't think it's talked about enough.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I heard one scouts say that that kind of reminds
them them of the Vonte Adams in the way he's
able to get separation at the line of scrimmage right,
and people were saying he doesn't really separate. I'm like,
what film are you watching? Like, yeah, literally, the out
and up versus Boise State literally left the dB like
seven yards behind him, like what he did versus the
University of Texas where there's going to be multiple first
(31:30):
round picks in that game. He was clearly the best
player on the field that day. So again, it's all
about flavor. I don't think there's like major differences as
far as h what their skill set or what their.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Ceilings could be in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
When you talk about Roma Donsay, Eligue Neighbors and Marvin
Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
But I think Rome is going to be the best
one when it said it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Done, which is saying a lot because there's a lot
of people think those other guys are gonna be stars
as well. All right, so you love Rome? Yeah, Okay,
let's just say Joe Douglas makes the trades on April,
makes the calls on April twenty fifth potential moving off
doesn't happen. Those three receivers are off the board. How
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big of a gap is it from whoever your third
rank receiver in that category is, which for you, I
don't even know who your third would be because he
just said you love Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Well he's one of the top three, right right, So
if all three are gone, you're saying, who's the next guy?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
No, I I just thought to myself too when we're
talking about Marvin Neighbors in Rome, you love them all.
It's almost like you love them all he will even
though you think.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That Rome a little bit above har like right now?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So how big of a gap does
it go from whoever that third taking off the board
is to I think we're having consensus now that might
Brian Thomas might be number on.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I don't even think it's consistent. I think every team
in the NFL feels the same way. I think he's
gonna go a lot higher than people originally thought he
would go. And when you talk about tiers, yeah, those
guys are Tier one. I think Brian Thomas, just because
of the upside, is a Tier one point five.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I don't think he's actually in Tier two.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
When you talk about the speed element, think he ran
what four to three to three at the combine and
you see it on tape and literally run by guys,
but he actually is a pretty good route runner on
dig routes and drag routes as well.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And then you talked about it seventeen touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
What he does with his body in the red zone
to contort his body and go up and get the
ball at his highest point, that's where he kind of
separates himself for the rest of the pack, not the
top three guys, but the rest of the pack. That's
why it's like it's not Tier two for him, He's
like Tier one point five. I think teams are starting
to feel that too, and especially if three of the
receivers going in the top ten. Could a team like
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the Buffalo Bills get Anty and try to move up
to get them because they feel like there's probably a
drop off between him and the Lab mcconkey's, Xavier Lagets
the you know, a d Mitchell's.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
What do you think of mcconkee.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I love him. I think he's gonna go in the
back of the first in.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Ky is a team that makes too much sense for
him to be there exactly. So, probably the best purest
route runner in this draft, without a doubt. And I
knew we had as we were saying in the locker room,
he's got some get up about him. Yeah, I didn't
know he was that fast though. The funny thing is
when you put just his numbers from the combine and
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hype weight and everything on the board, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Who was comparable to No. Our number one receiver.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Here, Jarrett Wilson, really had the exact same numbers, which
is crazy, right.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
So Yeah, I think Lab McConkie.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Like you're talking about round one prospect, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I think he's a sleeper to go with the back
of the first round.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think Kansas City is a team that, like I
was talking about earlier, could make some make a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Lab McConkie had picked thirty two.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Loo get where do you staying with him? He's dangerous
after the catch yees, big, big receiver reminds me of
a little bit of a Quincy Noonwhaha.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's so good. I would say that Brandon Marshall.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, big.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Physical receiver can go up and get the fifty to
fifty jump ball. Just turn on the North Carolina film
from week one. I mean him and Spencer Raller, even
though Ratler was under the rest that game, they were
putting in work versus North Carolina. He can run the
dig routes. Physical guy, hard to really bring down. I
think he should stay close to home early in the
second round. The Carolina Panthers make two months. Since they
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have two second round picks, I think only seven picks
apart from each other. I think with their first pick
they should take Xavirieler to get and give Bryce Young
a number one receiver. Now, they did trade for Deontay Johnson,
but they don't have a receiver. That's kind of that's
like Xavirierler to get on their roster.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Where does dudes, we're gonna get back to the receiver
in just second. Stand on brock Bowers.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So very explosive weapon, right, I ain't gonna call him
a tity. He's a weapon on offense, one of the
most explosive weapons in football. We talked about body control earlier.
Just turn on at Auburn tape. He single handedly won
that game for Georgia because they were down, but when
he came out in the third quarter, he was unguardable
and he was tripled in double team.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And we talked about that. But your hierarchy is that
those three receivers, you're taking them in front of Bowers.
You are, But I'm saying, like, if those three are gone,
you're a ten trying to move back. As we talk
about the tackle position, which we know that still is
in need, you're gonna have to edit the tackle here
in the drafts to talk about developing in house as well,
(36:34):
and also you'd have to get receiver later. But where
do you stand on Bowers?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, positional value is a real thing, right, I think
that's rich Etton, But he is somebody you probably do
consider just because he's that good of an offensive weapon, right,
He's gonna be able to create nightmares in the middle
of the field and down the scene for a safety
or linebacker trying to guard him one on one. And
I think is he is a willing blocker. I know
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people kind of see him as like a flex out
tight end, but he's a willing blocker, like he'll get
in your way and try to get after you something
like even though he isn't the biggest body ever. But
excuse me, as far as explosive ability, there isn't a
tight end that has that what he has in this draft.
And I just think ten is a little rich for
me just because of the position of value. And then
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you look at the tight end room for the Jets.
I love, you know, I love our tight end room,
Jets tight ends room. When you look at a guy
like Tyler Konklin, who all during camp add a real
rapport with Rogers and even with Zach Wilson, had a
really good report, especially down the scene.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And then Jeremy Rutger, I think is going.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
To be a really good tight end, Like I think
he's going to be the future at that position, a
guy that will literally rip your face off in the
run game. And we saw that towards the back of
his rookie year, they started playing the more and we
saw him literally the cleading guys. And then last year,
especially after the cj Usama injury, and then they decided
to bench him like he played a lot more and
you saw the physicality of Jeremy Rutcker, and then Kenny
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you BoA's a really good tight end as well as
a third guy. And then let's not forget they drafted
a guy last year and the seventh and Zach Kon.
So I think the Jets have a really deep tight
end room. So yes, could brock Bauers be generational and
a foundational piece, of course, but I just think at
pick number ten, that's just a little rich for a
tight end.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So it's a luxury pick there.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
You like him as a prospect, Let's be clear here.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I love him as a prospect actually, But.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
For the Jets, you like what your room looks like, correct,
and you have more glaring needs elsewhere for sure, So
that's why you probably you as the GM probably don't
go in that dress.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I wouldn't just because again, positional value is a real thing,
even though people try to make it seem like it's not.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
All right, we got on here on quarterbacks. Okay, Okay,
So we spent a lot of time talking about kay
Love and Drake and Jayden and JJ. Let's go beyond that, Okay.
Do the Jets need a development mental quarterback here in
the draft?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
For sure? They do.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Okay, I think Day three makes a lot of sense
in the fourth round. And a guy that you know,
I have an affinity with, Michael Pratt. I mean, those
with so much touch can throw at all three levels
of the field. Now, doesn't have the biggest arm, right,
and struggle sometimes on throws down the field outside the numbers.
But you talk about being a leader, right, three time captain,
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all he did was win at Twaine. Even after losing
Taj Spears and Doria Williams. He went back to the
American Conference championship with his main receiver, Jawan Jackson, missing
most of the season this year. Jawuan Jackson is probably
gonna be a third round pick this year, so without
him playing on the field, he still took his team
to the conference championship game. We saw what he did
for USC, and now again we know USC doesn't scare
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you on defense, but he still put up a fifty
burger on them boys. So like Michael Pratt with the
intangibles of being a leader right the winning ways. I
think just makes a lot of sense for him to
come in in the fourth round behind a guy like
Tyrod Taylor and Aaron Rodgers for two years and potentially
be the guy two years down the road.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
How about a name that is very popular.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Joe Milton huh okay, and.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Listen, hey, listen, if I want to win a long
ball thrown competition, he is. He's a guy Jordan Travis,
Florida State. Yeah, coming off of devastating what does the
film show you? And would you take a flyer? Where?
(40:37):
Would where do you think he should go on this draft?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
So when you look at Jordan Travis's film, to me,
he was the best quarterback in the ACC last year.
And I'm saying something with Drake May being a guy
that's probably gonna go top five right, Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Too inconsistent with the accuracy. He's what I saw on film,
definitely a playmaker with his legs like and the crazy
thing is he's not even he's not even a big
I want to say he's like five, But when you
turn on a film, he runs like he's two hundred
and twenty fine hours. That could be a concern because
he is a quarterback and you don't want him getting hurt,
which he ended up did. He ended up getting hurt
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last year, and supposedly he should be maybe ready for
the spring when it comes around from what I've been hearing.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
But yeah, there's some stuff there.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Doesn't have the biggest arm sometimes tries the guy the
ball instead of just letting it rip.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think it's because a lack of arm strength as well.
So I know a lot of Jet fans.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Have been, you know, kind of on the Jordan Travis
tell maybe try to take him in the sixth round
if he's there.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, right, or available about him.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, which which I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I just think that's a better prospect and has a
better chance to be a guy in the future than
Jordan Truck.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I don't know if you could consider this guy a
developmental prospect or not, but I thought he was a
good college quarterback. That's Sam Hartman. He transferred to Notre Dame.
I don't I don't think he pops off the charts
as far as physical traits, but I do think there's
(42:08):
something there.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah. The funny thing is I think if I'm not mistaken,
I think he ran like a four to six or
a four to seven. Come I nobody saw happening.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
The only thing, the only thing that reminded me of
that was I think it was the game from not
mistaken first Duke when it was like third and like
nineteen and he.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Took off for a first down. I was like, where
did that come from? H?
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
So I mean to me, I think he would.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Have actually had a better chance of going high in
the draft if it came out last year after Wake
for it in too many ups and downs. Yeah, when
you talk about it, like even the USC game that
they won, like he didn't actually play well in that game,
Like the Dame's defense played extremely well in that game.
Just too many turnovers, inconsistency with where to go with
the football, and he's another guy that doesn't have the
(42:54):
biggest arm as well. But you love the intangibles as
far as being a leader, being able to be at
Wake Forest for all the those years and lead them
to a lot of victories and even transferring to Notre
Dame historic program, right and you know, things look kind
of bleak for a second there, but he was able
to finish off the season strong with them as well.
So he's a guy that you know, maybe if you
haven't taken the quarterback, you may be taking filler at
(43:15):
at the seventh and the seventh round. Because I think
the Jets have two seven round picks, yes, including mister irrelevant,
which I know that's what you're trying to go there.
We saw, you know, we saw Rock Party go mister irrelevant.
Could could say him Sam Hartman be the next Rock
per That's what everybody always wants to ask. But I
just I just think I think they just need to
address the developmental guy, probably with one of.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Their forefront picks.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Pratt is the guy and not a drop off for
you as far as developmental prospects.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, so a lot of people will say Joe Milton
has the highest ceiling at quarterback just because he has.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
But I feel like that I'm not busted on Joe Milton.
I think that bet saying that for years. As far
as his ability, Yes, a lot of like monster parts
where you're like, oh my god, guy you throw the
ball at the stadium, Oh my god, he's fast, he's big. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
The accuracy, the accuracy is all over the place. The
one thing I do love about Joe Millon. He doesn't
put the ball in harm's way, So you like that
as a quarterback, But again, you got to be able
to control that that bazooka of an arm right as
far as throwing with accurate especially underneath throws, intermediate throws,
we know he could throw the ball down the field
like he could throw the leather off the ball. He
can literally be on his knees and probably throw it
(44:28):
eighty yards. But it's more than like you said, it's
not just about the longest throw competition playing quarterback.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
There's so much more than that. So know a lot
of people have been enamory with him.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Because he does have the physical traits also to run
the ball as well.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
He's a really good athlete.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
But I just think when you look at Michael Pratt's
game and I didn't even talk about his athletic ability.
They used him in quarterback runs and you see the
toughness for Michael Pratt as well. I just think as
a developmental guy, he makes the most sense.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I'm actually worried now the more you talk about Pratt
and the more I read about he's gonna go in
the third round round a third last fourth round pick,
so he could go in the third. And it's an
interesting dynamic for the Jets because you're not sitting there
with the second round pick. So that third round pick,
it's big in today's day and age. You want a
(45:17):
third round pick, ain't you come in and contribute immediately?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, you really do.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, we talked about this the other day. Your third
four fifth round picks have to eventually be spot starters
or turn into stutters. And the third round pick is
more of like on that cust on that teen leering
in the line, because first the second round you want
them to come in to make immediate impacts, whether it's
either you know, your second round pick on special teams
or he's a third receiver, maybe even fourth receiver, but
(45:42):
making a you know, impact on special teams. But the
third round pick is always that you're gonna develop them,
but you kind of want them to turn into being
a guy. Right, So, like, I know we're gonna get
into this the third round pick. In my mock draft.
A lot of people got mad at me, uh, but
they obviously haven't looked at the roster.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
I went Cold Bishop from Utah. It was one of
my favorite players. In this draft.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
You know, I talked to Charles Davis about him at
lead meetings.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
People that know no, people that know no, Like that
would be a home run pick in the third round
for the just because if you currently look at the roster, right,
you got Chuck Clark coming off of major injury, Tony Adams,
and then who.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Else do you have? JB Yeah, exactly so, and I
think played corner right and made a transition so like
and didn't play at all last year.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Oh, Robert said last week they'll carry four. They don't
have four right now?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
You don't even.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
So I don't even know how you get mad at
me from mocking Cole Bishop to the Jets in the
third round, because if you look at with jeff Aulbrick
and also Robert Halla, do a lot of three safety
says did y'all?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Y'all forget Ashton Davis played a.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Lot on defense last year, especially in the back half
of the season.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
So like, right now, if one of your safeties get hurt,
who's coming in? All right?
Speaker 1 (46:57):
So we're here, sweak and we're going to do an
entire first round mock draft, and that's how we're going
to finish our pre draft podcast series here, But dudes,
how do you rank the Jets' needs added into the draft? Hum?
Speaker 2 (47:15):
So when you look at it, I would say receiver one,
safety are close to close to like I think, I
don't think people understand how big safety is the need
for this team. Now again, purpose time by saying there's
a lot of good safety still on the market and
Joe Deeck is probably still working behind you know, the
(47:35):
phone line, so we'll see how that pans out.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
But just going into the draft as today, right, safety
is a big need I think. And people get mad
at me about this detackle even though they signed three guys,
they're all on one year deals. Again, if you want
to have sustained success, you got to have somebody that
can grow with Quinn Williams inside. And then I think
office a tackle and I say that and people look
(47:57):
at me crazy. My thing is, just have a first
round pick and a third round pick right if you
take it. If you don't take an offensive tackle in
the first round, let mean just taking them in the third, fourth,
or sixth round or the two seventh rounds, which means
he's gonna be a developmental guy.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
That doesn't mean he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Most likely play this year, or you're hoping that he
doesn't play or is forcing the action. So you know,
people got bad at me because I didn't mark a
tackle until the sixth round for the Jets. But my
thing is when you take a Max Mitchell in the
fourth and you take a Carter Warren in the fourth,
good teams are able to develop third, fourth and fifth
round picks to become spot starters or starters. You would
(48:32):
think Carter Warren, second year in this in this offense,
would take a step. Max Mitchell's was his first time
with his offensive line coach last year, so you think
his second year with this offensive line coach, he would
take a major step.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So if those are your third and fourth tackles, that's
how you build sustained success. Right.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
If you look at our teams do it. The Baltimore Ravens,
they do it all the time. Like they were willing
to trade away Morgan Moses because they took Dagian Fool
a few years ago and they're hoping that he can
step into the tackle. If not, they'll draft the first
round tackle.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
So keep on replenishing.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Also, you gotta develop guys.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
And also you're paying younger guys to correct because once
you start getting that second contract, then that the dollars
come exactly, pay everybody exactly.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
So like, people are like, you didn't addrest the whole lot.
So to me, you have to think about this in
roster building. If you take a guy in a third, fourth,
or fifth round, are you really expecting him to be
the guy at offensive tackle in year one? No, you're
not so Like to me, I took a guy Tyler Grabile.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
If you are your roster is not good, you're.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Being You're struggling. You're struggling.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I took Tyler Grable from UCF in the sixth round,
who blew up the combine very athletic tackle as a
developmental guy, and nobody talked about it. They're like, you
didn't adjust the tackle is I'm like, we're not getting
a tackle to start unless we take him at number ten, right,
So like, and then even we take him at number ten,
if the other two guys stay healthy, he's not playing
this year. So like, to me, you have to understand
(49:57):
in regards to building a roster, it's all about developing
your third, fourth, fifth round picks to eventually be starters
or spot starters at worse.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
All right, So the synopsis of today is, dudes wants
a receiver here first round? Oh yeah, he likes Rock Bowers.
I do a lot, but probably not for the Jets.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
To Richard tackle, yes, but not necessarily early correct and
developmental quarterback late.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
That's gonna happen for sure. And safety and safety is
a sneaky.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I don't even think it's sneaky. I think it's monumental.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Monumental.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Okay, we lost Jordan Whitehead, who got it?
Speaker 3 (50:44):
I mean again, we got Chuck Clark, but he's coming
off of major knee injury. So it's just like you
have to address that issue now. I know you had,
you know, talk to my guy Salah and you know
he put it out there asking me, we love you,
we love it.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
That would be great that they can sign. Even if
they do something, I think they still need to draft.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
To die good stuff. Next week it's time for a
Minck draft.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Who is almost here? Yeah, it's almost here.
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