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Matt case is my producer. Matt, how are you doing today? I'm
doing good? Okay, So whatdo you do you having today? Diet
coke pretty simple, straightforward. Getsme through the day on Sundays, not
all days. Not not zero sugarnot zero, you know, coke zero.
You know, I appreciate coke zero. I feel like it's got some
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of the spices in there that makeit yummy. But I like diet coke,
you know, yeah, something likethat, right, yeah, So,
uh look what I got. Lookat what my bottle says, Oh
wow, Sandals. What else didthey say? South Coast Jamaica. Yeah,
there's a Sandals south Coast on thesouth coast of Jamaica. That's what
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it's called. And it's awesome.They gave me this bottle and what's in
the bottle is some freshly brewed homemadesweet tea. So cheers to you.
We're gonna have a good Thursday.And bottoms up. Mmm. Yeah.
Stormy Daniels is done on the standon a scale of one to ten.
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How much do you care about whatStormy Daniels had to say today? Be
honest me, yeah, you Idon't see anybody else in here? Oh,
I thought you met that guy overthere who was always looking in the
mirrors. No, but he can'thear the window. Yeah, yeah,
he can't hear me though, becausethe windows are soundproof. Yeah, you
know, are one protester. Wedon't like Thursday Thursday? Yeah no,
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yeah, enough with the chanting outthere, we can't hear yeah sound proof,
yeah, soundproof. You're wasting yourenergy. Now what do you say?
Uh, you know, I willsay that the people who say,
like, oh, it's not aboutwhat she her experience, I think that.
I think it matters in the sensethat it helps give context to the
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situation. I think that the materialitems of the case, as far as
is why they're there in court generallym yeah, well that's yeah. This
was never This was never brought forwardas a sort of like, are we
questioning consent? Are we questioning anythingand that realm? Are we questioning whether
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this was even though a lot ofthe questioning revolved around stuff like that,
right, because people just one ofthe details on what she said happened or
didn't say happened that she had saidbefore when recounting this episode of her life
over the better part of a decade. Yeah, I don't know. It's
weird. The reason it mattered,it does matter, and the reason it
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does matter isn't because it is goingto make a difference in the trial,
because I don't think it will.It matters because it tells us what is
and isn't important to people. Themost important testimony here, like like whose
testimony is more important to the liketo the trial itself? David Pecker,
who used to be the guy incharge of the National Inquirer, Or Stormy
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Daniels, adult film star who hadan alleged affair with Donald Trump in two
thousand and six. Which one shouldmatter more in this case, probably David's.
David Pecker's testimony should matter infinitely more. But the only thing anybody really
said about his testimony was the catchand kill thing, because people just didn't
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know that that was a thing thatcould be done or was done and is
done regularly. TMZ. How muchmoney do you think TMZ gets or do
you think they care? Because theyget that stuff out so fast it's like
not even negotiable for them. Butthat's the kind of thing, right,
It's like, Okay, this reallyembarrassing thing happened to me, and I'm
going to do anything I possibly canto like protect myself. I am going
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to buy basically the reporting of thisstory. You're going to sell us the
story. You are going to writein contract that you are not going to
say anything about this anymore, andyou get my money. That's kind of
what it is. That makes waymore of a difference I think the exchanging
of money in that situation than anythingthat Jermy Daniels was talking about in regards
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to meeting Donald Trump for the firsttime, him coming on to her,
them getting it on her, hangingaround and keeping him as a contact so
she could try to be on theCelebrity Apprentice, and then her going to
all these publications at various points.And did you know that she did this
thing for a Have you heard ofthe magazine In Touch? No me either,
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But apparently she did an interview intwenty eleven and recounted parts of this
story to In Touch in twenty eleven. Do you remember that? I guess
I was out of touch at thetime. Well done? Thanks? Yeah,
you know why, because nobody caredin twenty eleven, literally no one
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cared. Nobody cared. Why didanybody have to care? Donald Trump wasn't
a politician. He was a celebrityat that point. You know, his
start faded a little bit, right, Like, unless you were watching reruns
of The Apprentice or you know,digging into the USFL history, what did
you need to know? Unless youwere watching WrestleMania five, Life from Trump
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Tower, what did you need toknow? Which, by the way,
underrated The Megapowers Collide, Macho Man, Randy Savage's champion taking on Hulk Hogan
rewatched that one. Savage is incredible, Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse the Body of
Ventura on commentary all time stuff.But unless you're talking about that stuff,
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Donald Trump and twenty eleven, like, who cares about his personal life?
Does anybody? And it's not untilhe's about to run for president and have
a chance to win, does oldStormy Daniels decide she's gonna call it Michael
Lavinatti and start stirring the pot MichaelLavinatti big pot stir an unethical potstir.
He He's also been arrested and chargedwith a bunch of stuff, So it
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shouldn't matter, but it does inthe way that it tells us what people
care about. More juicy details aboutan affair an alleged affair or actually the
exchanging of money and a potential whitecollar crime paper trail that could lead to
the falsifying of business documents, whichis really what he's on trial for.
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That tells you everything you need toknow. If you want to talk a
little bit more about your analysis asto why people care so much about the
Stormy Daniels testimony versus some of theother people that probably have more important things
to say, or if you wantto talk about something completely different in regards
to the Trump trial, I'd loveto hear your perspective on it as we
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roll along merrily. Four h twofive five eight eleven ten is the number.
Four h two five five eight eleventen is the number. We'd love
to chat with you. And ontop of that, you know what,
it's going to be a great day. On news Radio eleven ten Kfab and
Marie's songer on news Radio eleven tenKfab, Susan emailed in. We were
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talking about the falsifying of documents andthe affecting of the twenty sixteen election,
which you know, Stormy Daniels tryingto come out with this story right before
the twenty sixteen election. Want totry to get Donald Trump help herself out
with publicity, you know, allthat stuff that's being mitigated through the court
system. During her testimony today,and Susan says, to affect the outcome
of the twenty sixteen election, Ohheavens, Trump would never attempt to change
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the outcome of an election. Ohwait, there's January sixth. Correct.
I am not a Trump or aBiden fan, but I am a fan
of obeying the laws. Well,Susan, I can tell you're not a
Trump fan, and I believe youthat you're not a Biden fan. But
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the January sixth thing and the affectingof elections, He's actually not been tried
or convicted of any of that,So that's pure speculator speculation. As far
as like the affecting of elections,I don't know, Matt. Do you
think a real saucy story like StormyDaniels having an affair with Donald Trump in
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two thousand and six would have affectedthe way that people voted in twenty sixteen.
Yes, I think I think there'sa historical precedent for that. Okay,
So there would be some gain forStormy Daniels and her people if she
were to of that, that storywould have run exactly. Yeah, well,
I mean that there wouldn't be acatch and kill if they didn't weren't
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worried about the same thing, correct, even if well, and we're in
an environment, even if that didn'thappen. I mean, gosh, do
you remember Patrick Kane. He wasaccused of like sexual assault alter something on
a woman in Buffalo, New York, got all of his endorsements removed from
him, and then they had todrop the charges because there was stacking evidence
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that the people that were accusing himwere setting themselves up basically trying to frame
him to get money out of him. They were real sloppy with trying to
set him up. But he wasguilty until proven innocent in a public in
the court of public opinion, youknow what I mean, it would have
mattered because if that comes out inthe way that it would have come out,
people would have just assumed that itwas true. And he already had
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enough enemies heading into the November twentysixteen election for that to happen. Second
thing, catch and killed not illegal. We were able to establish that with
the David Pecker testimony. It's theway in which the payments were made or
not made right. That's what we'retrying to figure out throughout the rest of
the trial, and the jury's gotto figure that out as well. Not
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sure what the affair itself really hasto do with the falsifying of business documents,
but now they have all the contextI'm sure that they need. Secondly,
the twenty twenty election you want totalk about, Well, first of
all, it took two years forthe Democrats to disprove that Russia actually got
involved in our election in twenty sixteen. Found no evidence of that. Twenty
twenty, obviously, Joe Biden winsthe election. Fishy circumstances in a couple
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of states with their early voting lawsand the way that those were counted,
and the way that people said voteswere being harvested in different ways, and
obviously Donald Trump threw quite a fitabout the whole thing. Make sure everybody
knew what was happening. He's onthe record for having made some phone calls.
Whether or not those are illegal,we haven't tried it and convicted anyone
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of that yet, but certainly therewere some weird things happening keeping him off
the campaign trail for the better partof two months and trying to smear him
again. Matt, do you thinkit has the same effect on the election
if this stuff is believed to betrue in twenty twenty four or are we
beyond that now because he was alreadythe president and people already know what he
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was like as a president. Isaw something like over eighty percent. Don't
care. Yeah, it certainly hasless effect for sure. I don't know.
I don't know. It's weird andlike we said, like, this
isn't the first time. Even ifokay, let's assume this is all true.
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Was there a president that didn't havelike a not necessarily extra marital affairs?
But there generally isn't a president thatdoesn't have some skeletons in the closet
of some kind, right, Imean, Bill Clinton gets brought into the
conversation specifically because it's the same kindof scandal they're talking about, right,
But if you're talking about different typesof scandals, there's all sorts of guys
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that got mixed up and meddled with. I mean, look up the presidency
of Warren G. Harding and TammanyHall. He had to die before anybody
found out what was going on there, But man, it was bad.
There's some American history for you.By the way, Warren G. Harding
twenty ninth presidents of these United Statesof America. He dies Calvin Kooley,
which becomes the president that didn't goso well, and that lends itself to
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the first and only Iowa born president, which is Herbert Hoover. And then
guess what happens right when Herbert Hoovergets elected not ten months later the stock
market crash of twenty nine and thenyou know, the Great Depression. Could
you imagine him winning re election afterthat? Probably not anyway. All right,
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as we move forth, as wefire away, you know, there's
all sorts of cool stuff to talkabout. But the thing in the Trump
testimony that we're seeing now is MadeleineWesterhout, a Trump assistant, is on
the stand now and Miss Madeline isgoing out of her way to kind of
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talk about the details in the hierarchyof some of the stuff that has been
going down in her career with DonaldTrump. And here are some things that
we're learning about Donald Trump. MadelineWesterhouse said, my understanding is that he
was attentive to things that were broughtto his attention even during busy periods.
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And she followed this up and thisgot a smile out of Trump. So
this was reported that he smiled afterthis. Are you ready? M hmm.
It's my understanding he liked to usethe Oxford comma. Okay, you
an Oxford comma guy? Not generally? Why not the Oxford comment. It
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needs to be law. It needsto be law. It's just extra work,
though, isn't it. Everyone knows, no, no, no,
no, no no, not everyoneknows. Not everyone knows. If there's
no comma there, then you couldbe talking about those last two things together
or addressing those two things as onething. Okay, if you put the
comment there, there is no questionabout it. You know, some people
just leave commas out. That's arun on sentence. Some people leave periods
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out too, that's bad punctuation.I agree, but it's what some people
do. Yeah, well, somepeople need to go back to school.
Oxford commas should be the law.And I'll die on that hill. I
need to see a specific situation wherethe lack of an Oxford comma created confusion
by the reader. I want totalk about maybe the fact that putting the
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Oxford comma in created confusion of anykind to anyone ever, because there's no
chance of that happening. You're takingall the guestswork out of anything. Well,
right, but it's less ink,it's less work. If we can
remove it and still have the sameresults, why not. But there's a
chance we wouldn't have the same resulteven if generally we do have the same
result. Are you willing to risklike that one percent of people that might
be confused in the way that thatis written. Are we saying it's one
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percent? Because I don't see anyexamples thus far, I think this is
just fear mongering by I think thisis fear mongering at its finest, quite
frankly by me. Yes, becauseI am advocating for the Oxford comma.
I think that you're trying to drumup this fear that in an Oxford Comma
less world there'll be rampant confus It'sanarchy. It's anarchy. You know what.
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It looks weird even without the Oxfordcomma in the sentence, it looks
weird. I posit that it looksweird with the Oxford comma. At this
point in our society, speaking ofpause, you're supposed to pause after you
say each item in a list,and then you put the last comma there
and then the word, and sopeople know that the list is ending.
It makes all the sense in theworld if you're a fan of the Oxford
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comma, back me up, callin at four, two, five,
five, eight to eleven ten oranything else. I guess on news radio
eleven ten, kfab somehow we goton the Oxford comma. Oh I know
why because uh Madeline western Hout,who is currently being questioned, is being
asked about Donald Trump's you know,practices and things that were happening because she
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was his assistant, and she said, it is my understanding he liked to
use the Oxford comma. And I'mlike, okay, well there we go.
I mean that should everybody rally aroundthe Oxford comma. And then Matt
Case was like, the for commasucks and I hate it. Well,
I didn't say that specifically. Ijust I don't necessarily use it all the
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time. I don't see that itserves a big purpose all the time.
Is that because you're uneducated? Isthere a schoolhouse that you know still teaches
nineteen twenties rhetoric in York Nebraska?Is that where you learn stuff rhetoric?
Hey, don't come after the theshining gem that is the York school system.
Hey, no, no disrespect.York had some great teachers that it
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inspired me to do great things.And look at where I ended up.
Huh. Now, they obviously didn'tteach you properly. Anti Oxford comic commie.
Oh, I see how it is? Four oh two, five,
five, eight to eleven. Tenis the phone number. Russell's on the
line, Russell, what's on yourmind about all this? Well, I
think commics can be very important.They changed the meaning of the trade.
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And I saw a T shirt thatlet's eat grandma. You put a comment
after let's see the changes the phraseof oh me yeah, now see,
Matt. Commas are important. Theydo serve a purpose that that might not
be specifically the Oxford comma, butyou know it's still an important comma.
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Can you imagine if Joe Biden telepronter, oh yeah, let's see grandma.
Pause? Russell, appreciate the callman, Thanks so much. Okay,
James on the line. All right, James, what do you got on
your mind? Well, unfortunately,Emrie, this isn't the first time I've
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had to correct your usage of theEnglish language. Here we go. Last
time you gave me an f SoTrump might not be the only one who
can't get a fair trial right now, That's okay, all right, James?
So what's wrong with the English languagein my use of it? Well?
Specifically, well, last time youused dilute when you should have you
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saturated, and you actually ended upbeing exactly right about that. We were
talking about football teams in the Omahamart market. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But the Oxford quow though the purposeof the Oxford comma was to teach
commoners or peasants how to read andwrite, and so the Earl of Davenport
or someone decided you have to puta comma every single time because these people
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are too stupid to breathe. Thatis no longer the case. Just like
you don't have to be just likeyou don't have to be told to brush
your teeth, and mom, askdid you brush your teeth every day?
You don't do that when you're thirtythree years old? So why are you
still using the Oxford comma? Hey? You know how I live first of
all, James. Yeah, peopleare getting on my behind to brush my
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teeth all the time, not thatI need to help. Secondly, let's
just face the facts, James.It's a tiny little thing that goes in
the perfect spot to help fully punctuatea list. There's no doubt about it.
The risk reward factor of not havingit there absolutely makes no sense to
just omit the Oxford Comma with theidea that oh hey, by the way,
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you have no idea what the contextis potentially of this? And I
have an example, James, Sohold you to your horse. Is somebody
emailed in with a great example ofthis, But I'm I'll go into my
grave. They may put an OxfordComma on my grave. That's that's how
firmly I believe in this. Well, I applaud you for standing by your
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principles. Yeah, despite being sowrong. Oh come on, I see
it, James, Oh, comeon. The emails have been rolling in
Emory akifybe dot com. Are youready to hear some of these? Yeah,
Greg says the Oxford Comma. Probablythe same people that don't that want
to get rid of the Oxford Commaare the same people that have gone to
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college and still say things like I'ddone that. Yeah, yeah, So
what do you have to say foryourself? I, mister, I done
that. I done college too.Stop. You know that's not how you're
supposed to say things. I knowit's not. You know what, though,
I using James James's framing of thisOxford comma debate, I didn't realize
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that this was a debate of elitism. Elitism. It seems rather elitist to
insist people use the Oxford comma.Are you looking down your nose at us,
all commoners who don't? Yeah,you common communists who don't use commas
properly? Uh? You know what? You push around us little folk enough,
and you obviously don't know communication verywell. You ever heard of the
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Bolshevik revolution? That was before mytime? Too soon for that joke is
probably? Yeah? No, okay, So here you go. Mars says,
let's eat kids, and let's eatkids? Which one's got the comment
comma in it? Well, youput the comma after kids, but this
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is that's not the Oxford comma.Don't put the comma after let's eat Oh
wait, after eat? My bad, you want to eat the kids.
No, let's eat comma kids.Yeah, also not the Oxcra comma.
But commas are important, I agree, all right, Susan says, no,
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just know the end is a perfectlygood way to end a list.
That's what I was taught, andit must be the right way. Lol.
No, it's not, and it'sjust not okay. Toy emails in,
and she says, oh my gosh, yes, a rant on the
oxcur comma. She's excited about this. She says, it's the only acceptable
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way to punctuate a list, andit is also ugly to not include it.
But that's beside the point. Howdid we ever come to the point
where a majority of people don't properlyfinish their list for absolutely no reason?
I'm asking the same question. Prettyobvious. This comma communist kami commenter in
communication doesn't not any idea. Whatis colm ming for him? Huh?
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Did you put a comma at theend of that paraphrase? Those were not
Oxford commas, but there needed tobe commas within that. Yes, Well
here you go, Tracey emails in, and here's the example we've all been
waiting for. I live with myparents, cat and dog. That's a
sentence, same sentence, I livewith my parents, cat and dog.
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So with the Oxford comma, Ilive with my parents, cat and dog.
You could really quite easily understand thatI live with my parents, my
cat and my dog. Without theOxford comma, I live with my parents
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cat and dog, which makes itsound like my parents are cat and dog.
And that's how you get the commonersconfused. I see what you mean,
elitist. No, I'm just tellingyou. You're saving a comma.
It's a tiny little thing. You'renot saving a lot of ink, You're
not saving a lot of effort.You're just putting a comma there, and
it immediately clears up any possible confusion. Anyone who's reading this sentence would have.
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That's a good point. Yeah,so boom right there, crotch chop,
no inappropriate. Have one of these, you know, have one of
these. It's a good point.But yeah, very seldom do you.
I don't know. Maybe it's acase by case basis, you know,
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case by case. More like you'rein the case case by case basis case
to forty eight. If you wantto talk about the Oxford comma or anything
about people being done with the Englishlanguage, you can call in it four
h two five five I had eleventen on news radio eleven ten kfab Donald
Trump likes the Oxford comment. Weshould use that as part of his campaign
strategy. Is it on like signs? You know what I mean? Yeah?
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Put a comma anyway? Keith says, why do we need the Oxford
comma? Well? Without it,we'd basically be inviting chaos into our sentences.
Just imagine I'd like to think myparents Oprah Winfrey and God. Or
I'd like to think my parents OprahWinfrey and God without the Oxford comment,
it looks like Oprah and God areyour parents. That'd be quite a family
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reunion. Yeah, So what doyou have to say for yourself? If
if doctor Phil was saying that sentence, I think that'd be correct. Oh
who could be? Doctor Phil wasthe only one I came up with.
Maybe someone's got to be like thesame age as Oprah. Kid over your
Yeah, but she did basically gifthim a career. Yeah, well she
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did that with a lot of people, didn't she. That's the only one
I could think of. James,who called to get after me about my
opinion on the Oxford comma, hasemailed in and says I live with my
parents semi colon cat and dog.You can conclude that their parents are not
cat and dog, because if theywere, a semi colon would have been
used. What it though? Whatit though? I think it wouldn't.
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Uh, that's dumb, that's dumb. That's like those people that say,
I seen you across the street theother day, I've seen that. Yeah,
well that's it correct too. Youonly use the word scene if there
is a have or a hat ina sentence, or a has have has
had have has had has matt ifyou if you if they're like, I
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have seen that person across the streettoday, that's correct. You don't say
I've seen that person across the streettoday. My mom, and this might
be a southern Iowa thing, Idon't know. She said, yeah,
I saw George Washington was like thebest president of all time. Washington.
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Ye, there's no R in thatanywhere. By the way, that's a
very British thing to do, putan R where it doesn't belong. I
don't take the people that put uswhere they don't belong. When when you
hear people from from Britain talk England, Britain, Yeah, great Britain,
Great Britain, England, different differentplaces, but the same place. Sometimes
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you know, they take like MotaCA. But then oh Mota CA.
Yeah, like a motor car.Yeah right. Was there a point to
that or you were just trying todo an English accent? I think I
was just trying to work my wayto do the accent really fair enough,
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fair enough? Yeah. Well,here's the bottom line of this whole thing.
The Oxford com is not killing anybodyput it in there. There's a
lot of people with opinions on this. It was obviously notable for Madeline Western
how to bring this up that DonaldTrump likes to use the Oxford comma.
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He smiled in court, one ofthe few smiles we've seen from from Donald
Trump in court when she brought it. Maybe Donald Trump just needs a lot
of Oxford commas. He's frowning allthe time. Jason says, coma doesn't
matter if you can't spell, getit coma. Coma doesn't matter if you
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can't spell. Yeah, but hemeant comma. He just spelled it like
coma. They just you missed it, am, That's all. That's all
it takes. Bob's on the linereal quick, Bob, what's on your
mind? Uh. This also goesalong with have you had anybody asks you
how to spell something instead of asking? Yeah? Yeah, I've heard a
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lot of people with the axe.Oh, I hate that word. That
is just ignorant. Yeah, andasterisk aster risk Yeah yeah, you don't
understand how to spell Yeah, no, Bob, and I appreciate that as
asterisk yep, see you later,buddy, h aster risk. You know
a lot of people do the asterixthing. That's not right. It's asterisk.
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Stop it. Ze Frank says,I dated an English teacher once.
Worst decision I ever made. Iwas constantly corrected. I could believe that
I could. We're gonna have uh, gonna have a fun conversation coming up
here about elections and how you cantrust elections, and we might get back
to that Oxford common situation because there'sso many people wanted to chime in all
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that, and plenty more stick around. We're gonna have a lot of fun
with you here on news radio eleventen kfa B.
Matt case is my producer. Matt, how are you doing today? I'm
doing good? Okay, So whatdo you do you having today? Diet
coke pretty simple, straightforward. Getsme through the day on Sundays, not
all days. Not not zero sugarnot zero, you know, coke zero.
You know, I appreciate coke zero. I feel like it's got some
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of the spices in there that makeit yummy. But I like diet coke,
you know, yeah, something likethat, right, yeah, So,
uh look what I got. Lookat what my bottle says, Oh
wow, Sandals. What else didthey say? South Coast Jamaica. Yeah,
there's a Sandals south Coast on thesouth coast of Jamaica. That's what
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it's called. And it's awesome.They gave me this bottle and what's in
the bottle is some freshly brewed homemadesweet tea. So cheers to you.
We're gonna have a good Thursday.And bottoms up. Mmm. Yeah.
Stormy Daniels is done on the standon a scale of one to ten.
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How much do you care about whatStormy Daniels had to say today? Be
honest me, yeah, you Idon't see anybody else in here? Oh,
I thought you met that guy overthere who was always looking in the
mirrors. No, but he can'thear the window. Yeah, yeah,
he can't hear me though, becausethe windows are soundproof. Yeah, you
know, are one protester. Wedon't like Thursday Thursday? Yeah no,
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yeah, enough with the chanting outthere, we can't hear yeah sound proof,
yeah, soundproof. You're wasting yourenergy. Now what do you say?
Uh, you know, I willsay that the people who say,
like, oh, it's not aboutwhat she her experience, I think that.
I think it matters in the sensethat it helps give context to the
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situation. I think that the materialitems of the case, as far as
is why they're there in court generallym yeah, well that's yeah. This
was never This was never brought forwardas a sort of like, are we
questioning consent? Are we questioning anythingand that realm? Are we questioning whether
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this was even though a lot ofthe questioning revolved around stuff like that,
right, because people just one ofthe details on what she said happened or
didn't say happened that she had saidbefore when recounting this episode of her life
over the better part of a decade. Yeah, I don't know. It's
weird. The reason it mattered,it does matter, and the reason it
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does matter isn't because it is goingto make a difference in the trial,
because I don't think it will.It matters because it tells us what is
and isn't important to people. Themost important testimony here, like like whose
testimony is more important to the liketo the trial itself? David Pecker,
who used to be the guy incharge of the National Inquirer, Or Stormy
(03:00):
Daniels, adult film star who hadan alleged affair with Donald Trump in two
thousand and six. Which one shouldmatter more in this case, probably David's.
David Pecker's testimony should matter infinitely more. But the only thing anybody really
said about his testimony was the catchand kill thing, because people just didn't
(03:22):
know that that was a thing thatcould be done or was done and is
done regularly. TMZ. How muchmoney do you think TMZ gets or do
you think they care? Because theyget that stuff out so fast it's like
not even negotiable for them. Butthat's the kind of thing, right,
It's like, Okay, this reallyembarrassing thing happened to me, and I'm
going to do anything I possibly canto like protect myself. I am going
(03:50):
to buy basically the reporting of thisstory. You're going to sell us the
story. You are going to writein contract that you are not going to
say anything about this anymore, andyou get my money. That's kind of
what it is. That makes waymore of a difference I think the exchanging
of money in that situation than anythingthat Jermy Daniels was talking about in regards
(04:12):
to meeting Donald Trump for the firsttime, him coming on to her,
them getting it on her, hangingaround and keeping him as a contact so
she could try to be on theCelebrity Apprentice, and then her going to
all these publications at various points.And did you know that she did this
thing for a Have you heard ofthe magazine In Touch? No me either,
(04:33):
But apparently she did an interview intwenty eleven and recounted parts of this
story to In Touch in twenty eleven. Do you remember that? I guess
I was out of touch at thetime. Well done? Thanks? Yeah,
you know why, because nobody caredin twenty eleven, literally no one
(04:57):
cared. Nobody cared. Why didanybody have to care? Donald Trump wasn't
a politician. He was a celebrityat that point. You know, his
start faded a little bit, right, Like, unless you were watching reruns
of The Apprentice or you know,digging into the USFL history, what did
you need to know? Unless youwere watching WrestleMania five, Life from Trump
(05:20):
Tower, what did you need toknow? Which, by the way,
underrated The Megapowers Collide, Macho Man, Randy Savage's champion taking on Hulk Hogan
rewatched that one. Savage is incredible, Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse the Body of
Ventura on commentary all time stuff.But unless you're talking about that stuff,
(05:43):
Donald Trump and twenty eleven, like, who cares about his personal life?
Does anybody? And it's not untilhe's about to run for president and have
a chance to win, does oldStormy Daniels decide she's gonna call it Michael
Lavinatti and start stirring the pot MichaelLavinatti big pot stir an unethical potstir.
He He's also been arrested and chargedwith a bunch of stuff, So it
(06:12):
shouldn't matter, but it does inthe way that it tells us what people
care about. More juicy details aboutan affair an alleged affair or actually the
exchanging of money and a potential whitecollar crime paper trail that could lead to
the falsifying of business documents, whichis really what he's on trial for.
(06:35):
That tells you everything you need toknow. If you want to talk a
little bit more about your analysis asto why people care so much about the
Stormy Daniels testimony versus some of theother people that probably have more important things
to say, or if you wantto talk about something completely different in regards
to the Trump trial, I'd loveto hear your perspective on it as we
(06:55):
roll along merrily. Four h twofive five eight eleven ten is the number.
Four h two five five eight eleventen is the number. We'd love
to chat with you. And ontop of that, you know what,
it's going to be a great day. On news Radio eleven ten Kfab and
Marie's songer on news Radio eleven tenKfab, Susan emailed in. We were
(07:16):
talking about the falsifying of documents andthe affecting of the twenty sixteen election,
which you know, Stormy Daniels tryingto come out with this story right before
the twenty sixteen election. Want totry to get Donald Trump help herself out
with publicity, you know, allthat stuff that's being mitigated through the court
system. During her testimony today,and Susan says, to affect the outcome
of the twenty sixteen election, Ohheavens, Trump would never attempt to change
(07:41):
the outcome of an election. Ohwait, there's January sixth. Correct.
I am not a Trump or aBiden fan, but I am a fan
of obeying the laws. Well,Susan, I can tell you're not a
Trump fan, and I believe youthat you're not a Biden fan. But
(08:03):
the January sixth thing and the affectingof elections, He's actually not been tried
or convicted of any of that,So that's pure speculator speculation. As far
as like the affecting of elections,I don't know, Matt. Do you
think a real saucy story like StormyDaniels having an affair with Donald Trump in
(08:24):
two thousand and six would have affectedthe way that people voted in twenty sixteen.
Yes, I think I think there'sa historical precedent for that. Okay,
So there would be some gain forStormy Daniels and her people if she
were to of that, that storywould have run exactly. Yeah, well,
I mean that there wouldn't be acatch and kill if they didn't weren't
(08:46):
worried about the same thing, correct, even if well, and we're in
an environment, even if that didn'thappen. I mean, gosh, do
you remember Patrick Kane. He wasaccused of like sexual assault alter something on
a woman in Buffalo, New York, got all of his endorsements removed from
him, and then they had todrop the charges because there was stacking evidence
(09:09):
that the people that were accusing himwere setting themselves up basically trying to frame
him to get money out of him. They were real sloppy with trying to
set him up. But he wasguilty until proven innocent in a public in
the court of public opinion, youknow what I mean, it would have
mattered because if that comes out inthe way that it would have come out,
people would have just assumed that itwas true. And he already had
(09:31):
enough enemies heading into the November twentysixteen election for that to happen. Second
thing, catch and killed not illegal. We were able to establish that with
the David Pecker testimony. It's theway in which the payments were made or
not made right. That's what we'retrying to figure out throughout the rest of
the trial, and the jury's gotto figure that out as well. Not
(09:52):
sure what the affair itself really hasto do with the falsifying of business documents,
but now they have all the contextI'm sure that they need. Secondly,
the twenty twenty election you want totalk about, Well, first of
all, it took two years forthe Democrats to disprove that Russia actually got
involved in our election in twenty sixteen. Found no evidence of that. Twenty
twenty, obviously, Joe Biden winsthe election. Fishy circumstances in a couple
(10:16):
of states with their early voting lawsand the way that those were counted,
and the way that people said voteswere being harvested in different ways, and
obviously Donald Trump threw quite a fitabout the whole thing. Make sure everybody
knew what was happening. He's onthe record for having made some phone calls.
Whether or not those are illegal,we haven't tried it and convicted anyone
(10:37):
of that yet, but certainly therewere some weird things happening keeping him off
the campaign trail for the better partof two months and trying to smear him
again. Matt, do you thinkit has the same effect on the election
if this stuff is believed to betrue in twenty twenty four or are we
beyond that now because he was alreadythe president and people already know what he
(10:58):
was like as a president. Isaw something like over eighty percent. Don't
care. Yeah, it certainly hasless effect for sure. I don't know.
I don't know. It's weird andlike we said, like, this
isn't the first time. Even ifokay, let's assume this is all true.
(11:18):
Was there a president that didn't havelike a not necessarily extra marital affairs?
But there generally isn't a president thatdoesn't have some skeletons in the closet
of some kind, right, Imean, Bill Clinton gets brought into the
conversation specifically because it's the same kindof scandal they're talking about, right,
But if you're talking about different typesof scandals, there's all sorts of guys
(11:41):
that got mixed up and meddled with. I mean, look up the presidency
of Warren G. Harding and TammanyHall. He had to die before anybody
found out what was going on there, But man, it was bad.
There's some American history for you.By the way, Warren G. Harding
twenty ninth presidents of these United Statesof America. He dies Calvin Kooley,
which becomes the president that didn't goso well, and that lends itself to
(12:03):
the first and only Iowa born president, which is Herbert Hoover. And then
guess what happens right when Herbert Hoovergets elected not ten months later the stock
market crash of twenty nine and thenyou know, the Great Depression. Could
you imagine him winning re election afterthat? Probably not anyway. All right,
(12:28):
as we move forth, as wefire away, you know, there's
all sorts of cool stuff to talkabout. But the thing in the Trump
testimony that we're seeing now is MadeleineWesterhout, a Trump assistant, is on
the stand now and Miss Madeline isgoing out of her way to kind of
(12:52):
talk about the details in the hierarchyof some of the stuff that has been
going down in her career with DonaldTrump. And here are some things that
we're learning about Donald Trump. MadelineWesterhouse said, my understanding is that he
was attentive to things that were broughtto his attention even during busy periods.
(13:13):
And she followed this up and thisgot a smile out of Trump. So
this was reported that he smiled afterthis. Are you ready? M hmm.
It's my understanding he liked to usethe Oxford comma. Okay, you
an Oxford comma guy? Not generally? Why not the Oxford comment. It
(13:33):
needs to be law. It needsto be law. It's just extra work,
though, isn't it. Everyone knows, no, no, no,
no, no no, not everyoneknows. Not everyone knows. If there's
no comma there, then you couldbe talking about those last two things together
or addressing those two things as onething. Okay, if you put the
comment there, there is no questionabout it. You know, some people
just leave commas out. That's arun on sentence. Some people leave periods
(13:56):
out too, that's bad punctuation.I agree, but it's what some people
do. Yeah, well, somepeople need to go back to school.
Oxford commas should be the law.And I'll die on that hill. I
need to see a specific situation wherethe lack of an Oxford comma created confusion
by the reader. I want totalk about maybe the fact that putting the
(14:18):
Oxford comma in created confusion of anykind to anyone ever, because there's no
chance of that happening. You're takingall the guestswork out of anything. Well,
right, but it's less ink,it's less work. If we can
remove it and still have the sameresults, why not. But there's a
chance we wouldn't have the same resulteven if generally we do have the same
result. Are you willing to risklike that one percent of people that might
be confused in the way that thatis written. Are we saying it's one
(14:41):
percent? Because I don't see anyexamples thus far, I think this is
just fear mongering by I think thisis fear mongering at its finest, quite
frankly by me. Yes, becauseI am advocating for the Oxford comma.
I think that you're trying to drumup this fear that in an Oxford Comma
less world there'll be rampant confus It'sanarchy. It's anarchy. You know what.
(15:03):
It looks weird even without the Oxfordcomma in the sentence, it looks
weird. I posit that it looksweird with the Oxford comma. At this
point in our society, speaking ofpause, you're supposed to pause after you
say each item in a list,and then you put the last comma there
and then the word, and sopeople know that the list is ending.
It makes all the sense in theworld if you're a fan of the Oxford
(15:24):
comma, back me up, callin at four, two, five,
five, eight to eleven ten oranything else. I guess on news radio
eleven ten, kfab somehow we goton the Oxford comma. Oh I know
why because uh Madeline western Hout,who is currently being questioned, is being
asked about Donald Trump's you know,practices and things that were happening because she
(15:46):
was his assistant, and she said, it is my understanding he liked to
use the Oxford comma. And I'mlike, okay, well there we go.
I mean that should everybody rally aroundthe Oxford comma. And then Matt
Case was like, the for commasucks and I hate it. Well,
I didn't say that specifically. Ijust I don't necessarily use it all the
(16:07):
time. I don't see that itserves a big purpose all the time.
Is that because you're uneducated? Isthere a schoolhouse that you know still teaches
nineteen twenties rhetoric in York Nebraska?Is that where you learn stuff rhetoric?
Hey, don't come after the theshining gem that is the York school system.
Hey, no, no disrespect.York had some great teachers that it
(16:29):
inspired me to do great things.And look at where I ended up.
Huh. Now, they obviously didn'tteach you properly. Anti Oxford comic commie.
Oh, I see how it is? Four oh two, five,
five, eight to eleven. Tenis the phone number. Russell's on the
line, Russell, what's on yourmind about all this? Well, I
think commics can be very important.They changed the meaning of the trade.
(16:52):
And I saw a T shirt thatlet's eat grandma. You put a comment
after let's see the changes the phraseof oh me yeah, now see,
Matt. Commas are important. Theydo serve a purpose that that might not
be specifically the Oxford comma, butyou know it's still an important comma.
(17:12):
Can you imagine if Joe Biden telepronter, oh yeah, let's see grandma.
Pause? Russell, appreciate the callman, Thanks so much. Okay,
James on the line. All right, James, what do you got on
your mind? Well, unfortunately,Emrie, this isn't the first time I've
(17:34):
had to correct your usage of theEnglish language. Here we go. Last
time you gave me an f SoTrump might not be the only one who
can't get a fair trial right now, That's okay, all right, James?
So what's wrong with the English languagein my use of it? Well?
Specifically, well, last time youused dilute when you should have you
(17:56):
saturated, and you actually ended upbeing exactly right about that. We were
talking about football teams in the Omahamart market. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But the Oxford quow though the purposeof the Oxford comma was to teach
commoners or peasants how to read andwrite, and so the Earl of Davenport
or someone decided you have to puta comma every single time because these people
(18:19):
are too stupid to breathe. Thatis no longer the case. Just like
you don't have to be just likeyou don't have to be told to brush
your teeth, and mom, askdid you brush your teeth every day?
You don't do that when you're thirtythree years old? So why are you
still using the Oxford comma? Hey? You know how I live first of
all, James. Yeah, peopleare getting on my behind to brush my
(18:40):
teeth all the time, not thatI need to help. Secondly, let's
just face the facts, James.It's a tiny little thing that goes in
the perfect spot to help fully punctuatea list. There's no doubt about it.
The risk reward factor of not havingit there absolutely makes no sense to
just omit the Oxford Comma with theidea that oh hey, by the way,
(19:03):
you have no idea what the contextis potentially of this? And I
have an example, James, Sohold you to your horse. Is somebody
emailed in with a great example ofthis, But I'm I'll go into my
grave. They may put an OxfordComma on my grave. That's that's how
firmly I believe in this. Well, I applaud you for standing by your
(19:25):
principles. Yeah, despite being sowrong. Oh come on, I see
it, James, Oh, comeon. The emails have been rolling in
Emory akifybe dot com. Are youready to hear some of these? Yeah,
Greg says the Oxford Comma. Probablythe same people that don't that want
to get rid of the Oxford Commaare the same people that have gone to
(19:48):
college and still say things like I'ddone that. Yeah, yeah, So
what do you have to say foryourself? I, mister, I done
that. I done college too.Stop. You know that's not how you're
supposed to say things. I knowit's not. You know what, though,
I using James James's framing of thisOxford comma debate, I didn't realize
(20:11):
that this was a debate of elitism. Elitism. It seems rather elitist to
insist people use the Oxford comma.Are you looking down your nose at us,
all commoners who don't? Yeah,you common communists who don't use commas
properly? Uh? You know what? You push around us little folk enough,
and you obviously don't know communication verywell. You ever heard of the
(20:34):
Bolshevik revolution? That was before mytime? Too soon for that joke is
probably? Yeah? No, okay, So here you go. Mars says,
let's eat kids, and let's eatkids? Which one's got the comment
comma in it? Well, youput the comma after kids, but this
(20:56):
is that's not the Oxford comma.Don't put the comma after let's eat Oh
wait, after eat? My bad, you want to eat the kids.
No, let's eat comma kids.Yeah, also not the Oxcra comma.
But commas are important, I agree, all right, Susan says, no,
(21:17):
just know the end is a perfectlygood way to end a list.
That's what I was taught, andit must be the right way. Lol.
No, it's not, and it'sjust not okay. Toy emails in,
and she says, oh my gosh, yes, a rant on the
oxcur comma. She's excited about this. She says, it's the only acceptable
(21:40):
way to punctuate a list, andit is also ugly to not include it.
But that's beside the point. Howdid we ever come to the point
where a majority of people don't properlyfinish their list for absolutely no reason?
I'm asking the same question. Prettyobvious. This comma communist kami commenter in
communication doesn't not any idea. Whatis colm ming for him? Huh?
(22:07):
Did you put a comma at theend of that paraphrase? Those were not
Oxford commas, but there needed tobe commas within that. Yes, Well
here you go, Tracey emails in, and here's the example we've all been
waiting for. I live with myparents, cat and dog. That's a
sentence, same sentence, I livewith my parents, cat and dog.
(22:37):
So with the Oxford comma, Ilive with my parents, cat and dog.
You could really quite easily understand thatI live with my parents, my
cat and my dog. Without theOxford comma, I live with my parents
(23:00):
cat and dog, which makes itsound like my parents are cat and dog.
And that's how you get the commonersconfused. I see what you mean,
elitist. No, I'm just tellingyou. You're saving a comma.
It's a tiny little thing. You'renot saving a lot of ink, You're
not saving a lot of effort.You're just putting a comma there, and
it immediately clears up any possible confusion. Anyone who's reading this sentence would have.
(23:23):
That's a good point. Yeah,so boom right there, crotch chop,
no inappropriate. Have one of these, you know, have one of
these. It's a good point.But yeah, very seldom do you.
I don't know. Maybe it's acase by case basis, you know,
(23:44):
case by case. More like you'rein the case case by case basis case
to forty eight. If you wantto talk about the Oxford comma or anything
about people being done with the Englishlanguage, you can call in it four
h two five five I had eleventen on news radio eleven ten kfab Donald
Trump likes the Oxford comment. Weshould use that as part of his campaign
strategy. Is it on like signs? You know what I mean? Yeah?
(24:11):
Put a comma anyway? Keith says, why do we need the Oxford
comma? Well? Without it,we'd basically be inviting chaos into our sentences.
Just imagine I'd like to think myparents Oprah Winfrey and God. Or
I'd like to think my parents OprahWinfrey and God without the Oxford comment,
it looks like Oprah and God areyour parents. That'd be quite a family
(24:33):
reunion. Yeah, So what doyou have to say for yourself? If
if doctor Phil was saying that sentence, I think that'd be correct. Oh
who could be? Doctor Phil wasthe only one I came up with.
Maybe someone's got to be like thesame age as Oprah. Kid over your
Yeah, but she did basically gifthim a career. Yeah, well she
(24:56):
did that with a lot of people, didn't she. That's the only one
I could think of. James,who called to get after me about my
opinion on the Oxford comma, hasemailed in and says I live with my
parents semi colon cat and dog.You can conclude that their parents are not
cat and dog, because if theywere, a semi colon would have been
used. What it though? Whatit though? I think it wouldn't.
(25:18):
Uh, that's dumb, that's dumb. That's like those people that say,
I seen you across the street theother day, I've seen that. Yeah,
well that's it correct too. Youonly use the word scene if there
is a have or a hat ina sentence, or a has have has
had have has had has matt ifyou if you if they're like, I
(25:41):
have seen that person across the streettoday, that's correct. You don't say
I've seen that person across the streettoday. My mom, and this might
be a southern Iowa thing, Idon't know. She said, yeah,
I saw George Washington was like thebest president of all time. Washington.
(26:02):
Ye, there's no R in thatanywhere. By the way, that's a
very British thing to do, putan R where it doesn't belong. I
don't take the people that put uswhere they don't belong. When when you
hear people from from Britain talk England, Britain, Yeah, great Britain,
Great Britain, England, different differentplaces, but the same place. Sometimes
(26:23):
you know, they take like MotaCA. But then oh Mota CA.
Yeah, like a motor car.Yeah right. Was there a point to
that or you were just trying todo an English accent? I think I
was just trying to work my wayto do the accent really fair enough,
(26:45):
fair enough? Yeah. Well,here's the bottom line of this whole thing.
The Oxford com is not killing anybodyput it in there. There's a
lot of people with opinions on this. It was obviously notable for Madeline Western
how to bring this up that DonaldTrump likes to use the Oxford comma.
(27:06):
He smiled in court, one ofthe few smiles we've seen from from Donald
Trump in court when she brought it. Maybe Donald Trump just needs a lot
of Oxford commas. He's frowning allthe time. Jason says, coma doesn't
matter if you can't spell, getit coma. Coma doesn't matter if you
(27:29):
can't spell. Yeah, but hemeant comma. He just spelled it like
coma. They just you missed it, am, That's all. That's all
it takes. Bob's on the linereal quick, Bob, what's on your
mind? Uh. This also goesalong with have you had anybody asks you
how to spell something instead of asking? Yeah? Yeah, I've heard a
(27:49):
lot of people with the axe.Oh, I hate that word. That
is just ignorant. Yeah, andasterisk aster risk Yeah yeah, you don't
understand how to spell Yeah, no, Bob, and I appreciate that as
asterisk yep, see you later,buddy, h aster risk. You know
a lot of people do the asterixthing. That's not right. It's asterisk.
(28:14):
Stop it. Ze Frank says,I dated an English teacher once.
Worst decision I ever made. Iwas constantly corrected. I could believe that
I could. We're gonna have uh, gonna have a fun conversation coming up
here about elections and how you cantrust elections, and we might get back
to that Oxford common situation because there'sso many people wanted to chime in all
(28:34):
that, and plenty more stick around. We're gonna have a lot of fun
with you here on news radio eleventen kfa B.
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