July 21, 2023 • 29 mins
Honey and Carolina break down the SAG/AFTRA and WGA strike, what it means to be an actor and what fair compensation means for all those involved.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I'm Honey Jermy. My parents are dominicant. I was born
and raised in New York City. I love speakers and
I'm a body positive advocate.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Carolina Bermudez, Soy Nika a wendsay, but I was
born and raised in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm a wife, a mama, and a worker. Bee. This
is life and Spanglish.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, Honey, you and I are still working, which is great,
but you know, I know there are a lot of
people right now that are out of work, and I
wanted to talk to you about what is happening with
this sag after strike before we get started with the episode.
I do want to say. You may be a long
time Life and Spanguish listener. You may think to yourself
before we start, and before Honey even gets to say
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a word, I know. I'm sorry, I'm coming in hot.
This doesn't matter to me. Ugh, all of these things
that may be.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Going through your mind.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Please please please just give us, give us ten minutes
of your time to try to explain what this is
so we can educate you on why this means so
much to us. Now I say hello to Honey. Sorry,
I had to get that all out.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
She is fired. Up today, and she want to let
you know that even though you're aspiring and swiping and
turning off the volume when it comes on, it affects
all of us and you should care absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So you know, let's give you guys a proper welcome,
welcome to life in Spanglish, and thank you guys so much.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
We love being here with you every Friday. Now.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I do think that it's so important for us to
discuss this strike because like, it's current, it's happening, it's now,
and I know that there's a lot of confusion out
there where people really don't know why Sack after It
is striking. We get why the WGA is striking, right,
because those are the writers, and you know, I think
that people are kind of up to date with that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But I was having a discussion. Actually, the reason why.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I wanted to do this episode so value was I
was speaking to my friend the other day and we
were talking about, like, you know what I missed while
I was away, And she said it.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Not thinking that I am a part of the union, right.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Because she goes, ugh, She's like nothing, you know, She's like,
now the actors are striking.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Uh, She's like these rich people She's like, what do
they need more money for? Thinking?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And by the way, I'm using her accent because I
told her I'm going to talk about it in this episode.
And I said to her, I go, you think that
they're striking because like Brad Pitt isn't making enough money.
And she's like, no, you know, like these actors, like
what else do they want? And I said to her,
I go, well, first of all, girl, I'm a member
of SAGA.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
After I said, here, I have worked.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, both of us are paying members of this union,
I said, And I have worked on TV sets, I said,
and I can tell you firsthand that I fully support
in back this strike, and more importantly, as a Latina,
I support this strike. So it was it was a
moment of clarity, like a light bulb moment for her
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because then she was embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So please don't be embarrassed. I said, this is actually
really great.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I said, if you don't mind, I'm going to bring
it up on the podcast with Honey. So I sat
there the next twenty minutes just trying to break it
down and explain what exactly this strike is for. So
you know, Honey, I wanted you I want to take
over the podcast, So I wanted you talk like.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What have you heard from people that have been like
talking about this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You know what is a lot of people immediately go
to the top and they're like, oh, you want the
Rock to make more money. He made two hundred and
seventy million dollars just for twenty twenty two alone. He's
one of the highest paid actors. Donis No, that is
not the case at all. The average actor Carolina makes
about twenty seven seventy three an hour out in California
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for the year of twenty twenty two. Like people have
it all twisted. It is regular people that are out
there acting our people, Latinos, Latinas that are out here
working and struggling to even pay their rent. Absolutely not
top notch actors are struggling.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Absolutely And honey, you know what you said it. I
can't say it any better than you because this is
not affecting the top tier, which are the Brad Pitts,
the Tom Cruises, the Rock. You know, on the women's side,
you're Jennifer Lawrence's, Reese Witherspoon, you know, you're j Low's.
You know, all of these people they're okay, they're not exactly.
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They're not well, they're not worried about this as much
except for when it comes to AI, okay, and that
is something that is really really big, yes, that that
SAG after is fighting for because as a background actor,
which by the way, I got my SAG card because
I was a background actor when I worked in LA.
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When you're a background actor, you get a call time.
Your call time could be three o'clock in the morning,
it can be six o'clock in the morning. It is
whatever time it is. You have to put in so
many hours of background work. I believe it was for
five times. Don't quote me on that, But back in
the day when I tried to get my side card,
it was like you had to do a certain number
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of appearances as a background actor before you could qualify
to get into the union. After you get into the union,
you then have to pay dues. When you are a
dues paying member of the union, then you have to
make a certain amount of money to qualify for health insurance.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, guys.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So there are many, many, many, many layers to this,
and there are many reasons why people are fighting for
not only fair representation, fair wage, but also to protect
their likeness, their image and their ability.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
To earn more money. Boom. I'm sorry, I'm like so
fat to myces.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You know, it's crazy that you mentioned background acting, because
one of the things that they're trying to do is
you're a background actor. You're in a crowd. They're trying
to use those same crowd shots in the future and
pay you one time.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So now, for example, I'll give you, guys, just like
a little bit of insight into kind of the things
that I've done in the past. So I'll use an
appearance that I filmed for Madam Secretary. Okay, Madam Secretary
was a drama on CBS Prime Time CBS.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They needed a reporter, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So or somebody to play a news anchor on a
television in a scene. So now I want you guys
to get the full picture. So I was booked to
be that anchor that news anchor again, showed up on
set at a certain time. You are there until they
get their shot basically, you know, and then of course
you do get overtime and things because you are a
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part of a union.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yes, the pay is minimal.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Do you remember how much you would it was hourly?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Do you remember no, I got a day rate. I
do believe I got a day rate because I had
five lines. So if you have five lines in a
TV show like that, then you get paid a certain amount.
If you have no lines, you get paid a different amount.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So I'm just giving you.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Guys kind of like a bigger picture of what you know,
you guys think happens and what really happens. So I
show up on set, get ready, you go there. I mean, look,
they have a green room, not just for you, you're
basically with the other background actors. You may get a
folding chair, you know, like there's a craft services table
with some snacks for you.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Of course they're going to feed you.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So there are laws that have been put in place
for these things. That's what I think is really important
for people to remember. A lot of these advancements have
happened because people in the past have fought for these things. Before,
you wouldn't get craft services, you know, or you wouldn't
get hair and makeup. So now you show up, I
get hair and makeup, I do my scenes, you know,
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I end I make the day rate. Okay, Now, every
time that show is replayed, there's something that's called a residual,
and that's what you get paid every time that use
is run, you know, anywhere domestically or internationally. Okay, but
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the residual is bigger at the beginning, right after you
shot it, okay, and then it gradually reduces as the
years go on. When we come back from this break,
I'm going to tell you how much a recent check
was for Madam's Secretary. And maybe this will shed some
more lights on why people are striking right now.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So we'll get into that right after this.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
All right, honey, So you're you're following along with me, right,
I did this appearance for Secretary. I get the day rates.
You know, everything happens great whatever. I'm literally on the screen,
maybe for twelve seconds, if I'm lucky, I'm on a
television in the background in a scene. But hey, I
made my money, right Like, I got my five lines.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You got your bread, you went home.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I got my bread. I just got a check. And
this is not a lie.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I actually have an instagram that was sent to me
by an old intern that was like, oh my gosh,
I saw you.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I'm adam Secretary.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It was a rerun and you were like, Money's coming.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I was like Okay, checks in the mail. I got
a check for twenty one cents.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, the paper and envelope and stamp were worth more
than what you got paid.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
God, you took the words out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And at that point I said, I need people to
gain a better understanding that those residuals are sometimes what
keep people afloat. So you're working a waitressing job, you're
doing a dog walking job, and then you're counting on
some of those residuals to help you, I don't know
for cost of living vers So when people think this
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is so glamorous and that you get paid a lot
of money and that you go and they cater to you,
that is not the case at all. And that's what
I think is really important for people to see. So
now with streaming, you're completely eliminating that revenue for an actor,
so that twenty one sense won't even come to you. Honey,
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if you do the same thing for a Netflix show.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Nah, Netflix, do you feel me taking all the bread?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So that's where I think that people need to understand that,
like number one, there needs to be minimum earnings just
to keep up with inflation. That's why I said, it's
like just even for cost of living, like there have
not been any races for the cost of living. They
are also, by the way, I do want to say,
they're fighting against these studio heads like you know, Bob
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Iger from Walt Disney and the streaming giants you know,
Netflix and Hulu and all of these other big corporations.
So performers now are asking, hey, I want to protect
my image. And this goes back to exactly what you
were saying, honey. Not only do they want to take
like a crowd. Let's say that they get, however, many
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people into a Yankee stadium for crowd shot for a movie.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Okay, they're not even saying that they're just going to
use the crowd.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
What I understand is that they will scan your face,
and that face through a I can now be used
for different situations.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now they own your image and they can repurpose that image.
You could be a person waiting in a doctor's waiting room.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Nah, this is a huge problem.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, that's why people are saying, like, no, I do
not want to give you consent to have my physical
likeness in perpetuity that you can reuse and repurpose. And
I'm not gonna get paid for that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And that's what I was gonna say, Yeah, you're gonna reuse,
repurpose and I'm not gonna get repaid and repaid.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And they And by the way, the other thing is
without your consent, they don't even need to notify you
that they're gonna do That's why I wanted to give
that example, that broad example that like, you could be
a person in the background previous and be a background actor.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You were walking across the street and whatever. You had
your two seconds of airtime. But now what they would
do is you're sitting in Yankee Stadium, you're a part
of this big shot. Then what they can do is
then they can put you in a totally different scenario.
Not you could be a person in a store, okay,
and not notify you that they're going to be using
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your likeness, your face for a different shot for a
different project.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And also you're not going to get paid for it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
They're like, seriously, not, this is not going to work
at all, especially with the amount of money that these
actors are being paid hourly. That is abuso Carolina.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, but you know what it is, though, honey, I
do have to say this, and I know I'm coming
like I said, I'm coming in hot, I'm coming off
strong today because I'm passionate about this. But I think
that that's where this argument lies, is that actors have
a passion and they have a purpose.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
They think they believe that this is what they were
made to do.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right, and not everybody is going to be a multi
millionaire actor, but these are the people who go in
day in and day out and go to auditions and
and do that because they have that passion.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
They want to do.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
This, so they don't care that they're working to other
jobs in order to support their passion.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Do you see what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So I think it's incredibly selfish of these companies to
think like, oh, well, what's the big deal. Well, the
big deal is that that's what somebody feels like their
life purpose is. And now you're.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Taking away their ability to live. You're really wiping away.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
The potential that they have to earn for themselves and
their families and their future.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And you know, it's like when you all come together,
that's when there's forced Because I was watching a report
and they were like, oh, the potential I make impact
of this could be like four billion dollars. I'm like, well,
Pett the people and you won't loose four billion dollars
in damages, easy fix.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It's you know what it is. I think that it
just comes down to greed. And I also think I mean, obviously,
like the studios don't want to give any more money,
the actors obviously want to gain more money, but they
are are being looked at as like, oh, you're being greedy.
But really it's more about like survival, cost of living,
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health insurance, I mean, all of those things we should
be able to work for and to be able to
provide for ourselves and our families for, you know what
I mean. So yeah, this, these these rules will make
it harder for people to simply live a life that
they that they want to live, doing what they love.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And it's like, these are just people working, trying to
make a living. They're just trying to pay their rent,
They're just trying to put food on the table, get
their kids to go off to school. Everybody we watch
on TV is no out of megastar and making big money.
So we've got to stand up and stand behind these.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
People one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know, I was thinking to myself because they send
out these like emails where we're gonna pick it next,
where we're gonna do next.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You know, it's it's it's interesting because.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The E news gig that I have is I'm allowed
to work on that, by the way, because I did
want to make sure.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I was like, wait a minute, I'm a part of
the union, but it's considered under news. Our radio shows
are actually cleared by the union. We can do the
radio shows. We are not expected to strike.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So this is primarily affecting the television and movie side,
but the radio side is not far behind, honey. Because
we've discussed this in an earlier episode when I was
talking about.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
AI with you. Now, this shit is getting super real.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And with AI Carolina, it's getting dangerous. I know, I
had said a couple episodes past that I loved it,
but it's getting dangerous and in terms of TV writers,
AI is going to cause major problems too.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well. That's why the WGA went on strike.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And I think that a lot of people can understand
that because like, listen, you don't have a writer, you
don't have a story.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Okay. Like the other thing too that people are saying
is like, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, AI, chat, GBT, these systems, they can they're fully
capable of writing a story.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But I saw somebody on and his.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Name was Escaping Me, and I apologized. But he was
on CBS Sunday Morning and they were talking about like, sure, yes,
a program can come up with a story, but a
program doesn't know what it's like to fall in love
and have your heart broken and to touch on those
emotions and to really help paint that picture of what
a person goes through after a heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And I was like, wow, I mean, if that.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Doesn't make you stop and think about the things that
we're consuming, you know what I mean, Like the things
that you enjoy.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
What is like one movie that you're like just obsessed with,
Like is there one?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, No, is there a movie that comes to mind
for you that you're just like, oh my gosh, Like
this was one of the best movies I've ever seen,
Like the comic.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Purple is my movie. I've watched it like twenty times.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Okay, that's a masterpiece. Okay, that is a masterpiece. That's
based off of a book that a lot of people
have known and read, but you needed a scriptwriter to
translate that and to make that into the movie, the
spectacular movie that it became. So you know, when you
look at the WGA, yes, like everybody, everybody I think
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has a better understanding.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But I just I was.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Kind of offended because I feel like people are just
they're they're generalizing and they're not informing themselves, and they
really don't know why the actors are striking and why
it is so important.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And with AI Carolina, here's my fear, you know, with
so many few Latin shows to really draw from these
AI software that they're going to use, what are they
gonna do? They're gonna pin us again as they're gonna
paint this again us tired, you know, limited stereotypes. Are
we still going to be the maid? Are we still
going to be the driver? Are we still going to
be the prostitute, the drug dealer?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
What's going to happen? It scares me. I need live
people to paint us in the light that we're living
in right now, not past history when we weren't even
historically included in film.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, we're going to get into that after this break,
because you know, I did want to wrap that up
on why this is so important to our stories and
the stories that we want to tell, so we'll do
that right after that as well. Honey, you were talking
about representation and we were discussing it, and I think
that if you've listened to our podcast for the past
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couple of seasons, you know that we've touched on this
subject many, many times, about how underrepresented we are in Hollywood,
not just in front of the screen, behind the.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Scenes, on the cruise, writing, all of these things.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And we have discussed before you and I at least
how little, how how little programming is. There's very few
shows that you can catch on primetime television in the
United States, where Latinos are becoming the majority, you're still
not seeing sitcoms, dramas you know that revolve.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Around our lives are costumbre.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's like what we know, our stories and the things
that relate to us. Yes, you get a wilmerball drama
as a main character on one show or you.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Know what account I'm sorry, I love him, but that
does character just don't count for me, Carolina.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
No, I know, but what That's why I'm saying, like people, people,
you will use that as an excuse he's on or
you know, Mary Lopez or you know, like whoever they
want to like throw out there, right, that's a big name.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
And what what what.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We are seeing in the Union itself is that there
are a large number of different ethnicities that are represented,
and Latinos are underrepresented in every single area. So what
we should be fighting for is more representation, obviously, more
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people in the writer's seats, more people that can produce
the shows that are representative of who we are and
what we are.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I discovered a show recently, Carolina, and it was just
so beautifully crafted. The horrors of the Laurs roach, it's
a lime oh my god. And it's set uptown, it's Bodiquas,
it's Dominicans, the Spanish is on point. Justina Machado is
the lead. It was just amazing, and this is what
we need and we're finally getting there. We're finally getting
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some type of visibility. Latin writers, you know, are now
getting into seats that they couldn't get into before and
now they want to incorporate AI. No, we need live
Latin writers that know what we're living through currently in
twenty twenty three. Because that show, the lingo, everything was
like I was like, wow, they must have done this
last week the writers did an exceptional job, and that's
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what I want to see continue.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, and so I think that that's why it's important
for us to make sure that you know, look, somebody,
there was an article that we said, or that you
and I both read that was talking about squid Game,
and obviously the writer of squid Game is it's not Latino.
But just to give you the perspective, this man was
making just enough money to get food on the table.
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Netflix made nine hundred million dollars off of squid Game.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
That's insane. I read that article and he was just like, listen,
I barely was making ends meet. Like these corporations, they
can't get away with what they're getting away away right now.
So this stripe is necessary and mandatory.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, And I just think that when it comes down
to it, we need more content for us by us,
and more representation. And so I think that if we
were already behind talking about Latinos in general in the Hollywood,
and if this strike doesn't go through, or if they
don't come to an agreement, it's just going to put
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us even further behind because they're not worried about us,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Like there were yes as a greater whole.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
They're worried about all of their actors, and I understand that,
but they're not particularly saying like, you know, we're fighting
for this group or we're fighting which you know, I
think that they need to do.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
That as a whole, Like, yes, what they're doing the
right thing.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
They're looking at the union as a whole, and they're like, look,
we're fighting for everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
But when you look at like when you really really.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Dissect it, there is a real vacancy when it comes
to our stories, and nobody is rushing to help us
get them out there, you know. So I think that
the people that are in the industry now that have
been established, they get it.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
They're trying. But you know, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
The whole reason why I wanted to like just touch
on this subject for this episode.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
We got to give a big shout out to our girl,
sag after a president Frank Dreshman.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Oh, she put it down. She was not playing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
She is outside, no makeup, baseball cap. She is with
the people.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
She is.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I'm proud of her right now because I'm like, yo,
she's not sitting at a desk. She's speaking out for
these union members.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
No she definitely is. And a lot of you guys
might know that name fran Dresher.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
It is the actress from The Nanny. She is now
the president of sag AFT and she is fighting. She
said I was an actress. No I wasn't, and she
said I am an actor, like I know, I know
what we are facing, you know. And so she did
that press conference, and I'm sorry for mis quoting her,
but she did that press conference and I felt I
felt that, I felt.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
How strongly she felt about it. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
So Fran Dresher is doing her thing. Jason Sudeikis was
just out at thirty Rock. Did you see that they
had him out there? He was out there on the
picket line striking in front of thirty Rock where he.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Was on SNL sell a Caroline. And it's necessary right now,
it's it's necessary that everyone banded together.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Absolutely. But that's why I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
It's like there are so many people who are like, oh,
don't bite the hand and the feeds, and it's like, well, no, yeah,
I know that I came. I'm not speaking for Jason Sudeikas,
but it's just like in front of thirty Rock for me,
that is such symbolism, you know, because it's like you
gotta be willing to speak up for yourself to get
the things that you want. So like I just saw
Hillary Duff was on the picket line, Olivia Wilde, Mark Ruffalo.
(24:31):
These are like big name actors that are going out
there to throw their support behind this.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
So you know, I just encourage you and for me too.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You know that's what made me think because I told
you a little bit earlier, I was thinking should I
go out there and should I represent? You know what
I told Greg Tea, we should go out there after
the show one day, even as it's for an hour.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That's a fact, Carolina, because it's just, you know, we
got to get outside. We got to stand for something,
you know, the same way we go outside and you know,
we boycott and we pick it. These are people trying
to make a living. It's their livelihood, it's their image,
it's how they make a living. And it's unfair what
these big studios are trying to do.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Definitely, And you know, I feel like we can apply
this even to you know, every day life, Like you
may work in a place where you have an administrator
and you constantly feel like they're just taking shit away
from you, you know what I mean, you feel like
you're getting stripped down, like you No, they're not going
to match your four one k No, they're not going
to give you, uh you know, flex spending. No, like
(25:31):
I'm making up things. I'm saying like there are all
of these scenarios where we go through this in life,
and it's like you got to stick up for yourself
at some point and say, you know, I'm not willing
to work for you anymore if you're not going to
take care of me. And I think that that's what
this really comes down to.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
If you didn't understand what's going down. I hope that
you know right now it's crystal clear for you and
that you support and you repost and you understand and
you're sympathetic. People are just out here trying to make
a living. That's it. It's not the Wrap, it's not
Tom Hanks, it's not the other one anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
It's Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Throw him because he makes hell.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
He makes I mean, come on mission impossible, just as
like globally right now, it just broke more records. So
you know, I do think that this is so important too.
It's like a learning lesson, you know, because like I
could have shamed my friend and the real reason for
this podcast was, like I said, our conversation, but instead
it's like we sat there, I educated.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
She's like, oh my gosh, She's like, thank you for
like giving me that perspective. You know. She was like
I would have never known. She's like, I know you
were in the Union.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I said, yes, like that have union dos right, that's
what you're told me.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Well, yeah, yes, I told her.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I was just like probaly even a part of the union.
So it's like I don't even remember. I don't want
to quote myself like early two thousands, you know. So
I just think it's like it's also a learning opportunity
where you know, it doesn't have to necessarily be about
the actors. Like I said, you can apply it to
your own life or you know, teach your children that
times in life you do have to stand up for
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things and what a strike really is about, you know.
So there are a number of ways that you can
spend this and make it a learning opportunity. But you know,
I stand with Saga Aftra. I support my fellow actors,
and I say it like as if I want a daytime.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I'm or something. You know, I asign one life to live.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But listen, you are you when you give out your resume?
Is this actor on it? That is all that matters? Carolina?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Listen, I was on a soap opera I've done.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I need to slip dramas.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yes, honey, you know what, I am an actor and
I will say that proudbly, and you know what with
from from.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Your lips to God's ears.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I hope I get more roles after this is all
worked out, so you know, well, I'll send you the clips.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Honey, I got you.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You better get back outside to auditioning once they get
this raisin order? Was this a situation? Is all situated?
I want you back to acting because everywhere I go
in New York there's something being shot. So you don't
have to move to Hollywood again, Karlina, you can act here, Honey.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I'm not even kidding you.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I on this vacation when I was talking to Mark,
I said, you know, because we all joke about it,
and I know that people are like, oh.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, she's not an actress. You know what I actually study.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
But I did study theater in college and I moved
out to La to act, and I auditioned and I
told you guys the story.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh there's dogs.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I told you guys the stories many times. You know,
I saw a different side of Hollywood as a young lady,
and to be able to work in the industry in
my thirties and even early forties, it's just like, it's
such a gift for me and to be a Latina
and to represent as a I don't care if I'm
on the background of a TV I'm representing as a
Latina anchor.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
On a major national network show. You know what I'm saying.
So it's like, I don't ever.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I don't ever want to minimize my work. But I
did tell Mark. I was like, you know, I would
love to get back into the acting. I said, you know,
I would love to start working with a coach again,
you know, because there's something about it. And that's why
I was saying, It's like there's something about it that
when you go out there and.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You do a great job and you deliver your line
and you know you did great your life. I got this,
you know, so you never know where you'll see me next.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Thank you, thank you if you made it to the
end of this week's episode. I really hope you did,
and I hope you joined us next Friday. But you
can also continue the conversation with us. I'm at the
Real Carolina on all social media.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Hit me up on Instagram It's I am Honey German,
and make sure to follow and subscribe Life and Spanglish
on all platforms, including all the streaming platforms.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yes, please do. Hell no, we won't go. I'm gonna
get ready. I gotta go out there. I gotta pick it,
so I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Lifens Banglish is a production of Life and Spanglish productions
in partnership with Iheart's Micuda podcast network.
I'm Honey Jermy. My parents are dominicant. I was born
and raised in New York City. I love speakers and
I'm a body positive advocate.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Carolina Bermudez, Soy Nika a wendsay, but I was
born and raised in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm a wife, a mama, and a worker. Bee. This
is life and Spanglish.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, Honey, you and I are still working, which is great,
but you know, I know there are a lot of
people right now that are out of work, and I
wanted to talk to you about what is happening with
this sag after strike before we get started with the episode.
I do want to say. You may be a long
time Life and Spanguish listener. You may think to yourself
before we start, and before Honey even gets to say
(00:42):
a word, I know. I'm sorry, I'm coming in hot.
This doesn't matter to me. Ugh, all of these things
that may be.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Going through your mind.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Please please please just give us, give us ten minutes
of your time to try to explain what this is
so we can educate you on why this means so
much to us. Now I say hello to Honey. Sorry,
I had to get that all out.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
She is fired. Up today, and she want to let
you know that even though you're aspiring and swiping and
turning off the volume when it comes on, it affects
all of us and you should care absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So you know, let's give you guys a proper welcome,
welcome to life in Spanglish, and thank you guys so much.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
We love being here with you every Friday. Now.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I do think that it's so important for us to
discuss this strike because like, it's current, it's happening, it's now,
and I know that there's a lot of confusion out
there where people really don't know why Sack after It
is striking. We get why the WGA is striking, right,
because those are the writers, and you know, I think
that people are kind of up to date with that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But I was having a discussion. Actually, the reason why.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I wanted to do this episode so value was I
was speaking to my friend the other day and we
were talking about, like, you know what I missed while
I was away, And she said it.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Not thinking that I am a part of the union, right.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Because she goes, ugh, She's like nothing, you know, She's like,
now the actors are striking.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Uh, She's like these rich people She's like, what do
they need more money for? Thinking?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And by the way, I'm using her accent because I
told her I'm going to talk about it in this episode.
And I said to her, I go, you think that
they're striking because like Brad Pitt isn't making enough money.
And she's like, no, you know, like these actors, like
what else do they want? And I said to her,
I go, well, first of all, girl, I'm a member
of SAGA.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
After I said, here, I have worked.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, both of us are paying members of this union,
I said, And I have worked on TV sets, I said,
and I can tell you firsthand that I fully support
in back this strike, and more importantly, as a Latina,
I support this strike. So it was it was a
moment of clarity, like a light bulb moment for her
(02:52):
because then she was embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So please don't be embarrassed. I said, this is actually
really great.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I said, if you don't mind, I'm going to bring
it up on the podcast with Honey. So I sat
there the next twenty minutes just trying to break it
down and explain what exactly this strike is for. So
you know, Honey, I wanted you I want to take
over the podcast, So I wanted you talk like.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What have you heard from people that have been like
talking about this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You know what is a lot of people immediately go
to the top and they're like, oh, you want the
Rock to make more money. He made two hundred and
seventy million dollars just for twenty twenty two alone. He's
one of the highest paid actors. Donis No, that is
not the case at all. The average actor Carolina makes
about twenty seven seventy three an hour out in California
(03:38):
for the year of twenty twenty two. Like people have
it all twisted. It is regular people that are out
there acting our people, Latinos, Latinas that are out here
working and struggling to even pay their rent. Absolutely not
top notch actors are struggling.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Absolutely And honey, you know what you said it. I
can't say it any better than you because this is
not affecting the top tier, which are the Brad Pitts,
the Tom Cruises, the Rock. You know, on the women's side,
you're Jennifer Lawrence's, Reese Witherspoon, you know, you're j Low's.
You know, all of these people they're okay, they're not exactly.
(04:20):
They're not well, they're not worried about this as much
except for when it comes to AI, okay, and that
is something that is really really big, yes, that that
SAG after is fighting for because as a background actor,
which by the way, I got my SAG card because
I was a background actor when I worked in LA.
(04:43):
When you're a background actor, you get a call time.
Your call time could be three o'clock in the morning,
it can be six o'clock in the morning. It is
whatever time it is. You have to put in so
many hours of background work. I believe it was for
five times. Don't quote me on that, But back in
the day when I tried to get my side card,
it was like you had to do a certain number
(05:04):
of appearances as a background actor before you could qualify
to get into the union. After you get into the union,
you then have to pay dues. When you are a
dues paying member of the union, then you have to
make a certain amount of money to qualify for health insurance.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, guys.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So there are many, many, many, many layers to this,
and there are many reasons why people are fighting for
not only fair representation, fair wage, but also to protect
their likeness, their image and their ability.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
To earn more money. Boom. I'm sorry, I'm like so
fat to myces.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You know, it's crazy that you mentioned background acting, because
one of the things that they're trying to do is
you're a background actor. You're in a crowd. They're trying
to use those same crowd shots in the future and
pay you one time.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So now, for example, I'll give you, guys, just like
a little bit of insight into kind of the things
that I've done in the past. So I'll use an
appearance that I filmed for Madam Secretary. Okay, Madam Secretary
was a drama on CBS Prime Time CBS.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They needed a reporter, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So or somebody to play a news anchor on a
television in a scene. So now I want you guys
to get the full picture. So I was booked to
be that anchor that news anchor again, showed up on
set at a certain time. You are there until they
get their shot basically, you know, and then of course
you do get overtime and things because you are a
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part of a union.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yes, the pay is minimal.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Do you remember how much you would it was hourly?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Do you remember no, I got a day rate. I
do believe I got a day rate because I had
five lines. So if you have five lines in a
TV show like that, then you get paid a certain amount.
If you have no lines, you get paid a different amount.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So I'm just giving you.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Guys kind of like a bigger picture of what you know,
you guys think happens and what really happens. So I
show up on set, get ready, you go there. I mean, look,
they have a green room, not just for you, you're
basically with the other background actors. You may get a
folding chair, you know, like there's a craft services table
with some snacks for you.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Of course they're going to feed you.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So there are laws that have been put in place
for these things. That's what I think is really important
for people to remember. A lot of these advancements have
happened because people in the past have fought for these things. Before,
you wouldn't get craft services, you know, or you wouldn't
get hair and makeup. So now you show up, I
get hair and makeup, I do my scenes, you know,
(07:46):
I end I make the day rate. Okay, Now, every
time that show is replayed, there's something that's called a residual,
and that's what you get paid every time that use
is run, you know, anywhere domestically or internationally. Okay, but
(08:08):
the residual is bigger at the beginning, right after you
shot it, okay, and then it gradually reduces as the
years go on. When we come back from this break,
I'm going to tell you how much a recent check
was for Madam's Secretary. And maybe this will shed some
more lights on why people are striking right now.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So we'll get into that right after this.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
All right, honey, So you're you're following along with me, right,
I did this appearance for Secretary. I get the day rates.
You know, everything happens great whatever. I'm literally on the screen,
maybe for twelve seconds, if I'm lucky, I'm on a
television in the background in a scene. But hey, I
made my money, right Like, I got my five lines.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You got your bread, you went home.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I got my bread. I just got a check. And
this is not a lie.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I actually have an instagram that was sent to me
by an old intern that was like, oh my gosh,
I saw you.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I'm adam Secretary.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It was a rerun and you were like, Money's coming.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I was like Okay, checks in the mail. I got
a check for twenty one cents.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, the paper and envelope and stamp were worth more
than what you got paid.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
God, you took the words out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And at that point I said, I need people to
gain a better understanding that those residuals are sometimes what
keep people afloat. So you're working a waitressing job, you're
doing a dog walking job, and then you're counting on
some of those residuals to help you, I don't know
for cost of living vers So when people think this
(09:46):
is so glamorous and that you get paid a lot
of money and that you go and they cater to you,
that is not the case at all. And that's what
I think is really important for people to see. So
now with streaming, you're completely eliminating that revenue for an actor,
so that twenty one sense won't even come to you. Honey,
(10:07):
if you do the same thing for a Netflix show.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Nah, Netflix, do you feel me taking all the bread?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So that's where I think that people need to understand that,
like number one, there needs to be minimum earnings just
to keep up with inflation. That's why I said, it's
like just even for cost of living, like there have
not been any races for the cost of living. They
are also, by the way, I do want to say,
they're fighting against these studio heads like you know, Bob
(10:34):
Iger from Walt Disney and the streaming giants you know,
Netflix and Hulu and all of these other big corporations.
So performers now are asking, hey, I want to protect
my image. And this goes back to exactly what you
were saying, honey. Not only do they want to take
like a crowd. Let's say that they get, however, many
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people into a Yankee stadium for crowd shot for a movie.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Okay, they're not even saying that they're just going to
use the crowd.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
What I understand is that they will scan your face,
and that face through a I can now be used
for different situations.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now they own your image and they can repurpose that image.
You could be a person waiting in a doctor's waiting room.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Nah, this is a huge problem.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, that's why people are saying, like, no, I do
not want to give you consent to have my physical
likeness in perpetuity that you can reuse and repurpose. And
I'm not gonna get paid for that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And that's what I was gonna say, Yeah, you're gonna reuse,
repurpose and I'm not gonna get repaid and repaid.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And they And by the way, the other thing is
without your consent, they don't even need to notify you
that they're gonna do That's why I wanted to give
that example, that broad example that like, you could be
a person in the background previous and be a background actor.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You were walking across the street and whatever. You had
your two seconds of airtime. But now what they would
do is you're sitting in Yankee Stadium, you're a part
of this big shot. Then what they can do is
then they can put you in a totally different scenario.
Not you could be a person in a store, okay,
and not notify you that they're going to be using
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your likeness, your face for a different shot for a
different project.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And also you're not going to get paid for it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
They're like, seriously, not, this is not going to work
at all, especially with the amount of money that these
actors are being paid hourly. That is abuso Carolina.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, but you know what it is, though, honey, I
do have to say this, and I know I'm coming
like I said, I'm coming in hot, I'm coming off
strong today because I'm passionate about this. But I think
that that's where this argument lies, is that actors have
a passion and they have a purpose.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
They think they believe that this is what they were
made to do.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right, and not everybody is going to be a multi
millionaire actor, but these are the people who go in
day in and day out and go to auditions and
and do that because they have that passion.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
They want to do.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
This, so they don't care that they're working to other
jobs in order to support their passion.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Do you see what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So I think it's incredibly selfish of these companies to
think like, oh, well, what's the big deal. Well, the
big deal is that that's what somebody feels like their
life purpose is. And now you're.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Taking away their ability to live. You're really wiping away.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
The potential that they have to earn for themselves and
their families and their future.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And you know, it's like when you all come together,
that's when there's forced Because I was watching a report
and they were like, oh, the potential I make impact
of this could be like four billion dollars. I'm like, well,
Pett the people and you won't loose four billion dollars
in damages, easy fix.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It's you know what it is. I think that it
just comes down to greed. And I also think I mean, obviously,
like the studios don't want to give any more money,
the actors obviously want to gain more money, but they
are are being looked at as like, oh, you're being greedy.
But really it's more about like survival, cost of living,
(14:29):
health insurance, I mean, all of those things we should
be able to work for and to be able to
provide for ourselves and our families for, you know what
I mean. So yeah, this, these these rules will make
it harder for people to simply live a life that
they that they want to live, doing what they love.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And it's like, these are just people working, trying to
make a living. They're just trying to pay their rent,
They're just trying to put food on the table, get
their kids to go off to school. Everybody we watch
on TV is no out of megastar and making big money.
So we've got to stand up and stand behind these.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
People one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know, I was thinking to myself because they send
out these like emails where we're gonna pick it next,
where we're gonna do next.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You know, it's it's it's interesting because.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The E news gig that I have is I'm allowed
to work on that, by the way, because I did
want to make sure.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I was like, wait a minute, I'm a part of
the union, but it's considered under news. Our radio shows
are actually cleared by the union. We can do the
radio shows. We are not expected to strike.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So this is primarily affecting the television and movie side,
but the radio side is not far behind, honey. Because
we've discussed this in an earlier episode when I was
talking about.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
AI with you. Now, this shit is getting super real.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And with AI Carolina, it's getting dangerous. I know, I
had said a couple episodes past that I loved it,
but it's getting dangerous and in terms of TV writers,
AI is going to cause major problems too.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well. That's why the WGA went on strike.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And I think that a lot of people can understand
that because like, listen, you don't have a writer, you
don't have a story.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Okay. Like the other thing too that people are saying
is like, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, AI, chat, GBT, these systems, they can they're fully
capable of writing a story.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But I saw somebody on and his.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Name was Escaping Me, and I apologized. But he was
on CBS Sunday Morning and they were talking about like, sure, yes,
a program can come up with a story, but a
program doesn't know what it's like to fall in love
and have your heart broken and to touch on those
emotions and to really help paint that picture of what
a person goes through after a heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And I was like, wow, I mean, if that.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Doesn't make you stop and think about the things that
we're consuming, you know what I mean, Like the things
that you enjoy.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
What is like one movie that you're like just obsessed with,
Like is there one?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, No, is there a movie that comes to mind
for you that you're just like, oh my gosh, Like
this was one of the best movies I've ever seen,
Like the comic.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Purple is my movie. I've watched it like twenty times.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Okay, that's a masterpiece. Okay, that is a masterpiece. That's
based off of a book that a lot of people
have known and read, but you needed a scriptwriter to
translate that and to make that into the movie, the
spectacular movie that it became. So you know, when you
look at the WGA, yes, like everybody, everybody I think
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has a better understanding.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But I just I was.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Kind of offended because I feel like people are just
they're they're generalizing and they're not informing themselves, and they
really don't know why the actors are striking and why
it is so important.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And with AI Carolina, here's my fear, you know, with
so many few Latin shows to really draw from these
AI software that they're going to use, what are they
gonna do? They're gonna pin us again as they're gonna
paint this again us tired, you know, limited stereotypes. Are
we still going to be the maid? Are we still
going to be the driver? Are we still going to
be the prostitute, the drug dealer?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
What's going to happen? It scares me. I need live
people to paint us in the light that we're living
in right now, not past history when we weren't even
historically included in film.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, we're going to get into that after this break,
because you know, I did want to wrap that up
on why this is so important to our stories and
the stories that we want to tell, so we'll do
that right after that as well. Honey, you were talking
about representation and we were discussing it, and I think
that if you've listened to our podcast for the past
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couple of seasons, you know that we've touched on this
subject many, many times, about how underrepresented we are in Hollywood,
not just in front of the screen, behind the.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Scenes, on the cruise, writing, all of these things.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And we have discussed before you and I at least
how little, how how little programming is. There's very few
shows that you can catch on primetime television in the
United States, where Latinos are becoming the majority, you're still
not seeing sitcoms, dramas you know that revolve.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Around our lives are costumbre.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's like what we know, our stories and the things
that relate to us. Yes, you get a wilmerball drama
as a main character on one show or you.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Know what account I'm sorry, I love him, but that
does character just don't count for me, Carolina.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
No, I know, but what That's why I'm saying, like people, people,
you will use that as an excuse he's on or
you know, Mary Lopez or you know, like whoever they
want to like throw out there, right, that's a big name.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
And what what what.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We are seeing in the Union itself is that there
are a large number of different ethnicities that are represented,
and Latinos are underrepresented in every single area. So what
we should be fighting for is more representation, obviously, more
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people in the writer's seats, more people that can produce
the shows that are representative of who we are and
what we are.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I discovered a show recently, Carolina, and it was just
so beautifully crafted. The horrors of the Laurs roach, it's
a lime oh my god. And it's set uptown, it's Bodiquas,
it's Dominicans, the Spanish is on point. Justina Machado is
the lead. It was just amazing, and this is what
we need and we're finally getting there. We're finally getting
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some type of visibility. Latin writers, you know, are now
getting into seats that they couldn't get into before and
now they want to incorporate AI. No, we need live
Latin writers that know what we're living through currently in
twenty twenty three. Because that show, the lingo, everything was
like I was like, wow, they must have done this
last week the writers did an exceptional job, and that's
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what I want to see continue.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, and so I think that that's why it's important
for us to make sure that you know, look, somebody,
there was an article that we said, or that you
and I both read that was talking about squid Game,
and obviously the writer of squid Game is it's not Latino.
But just to give you the perspective, this man was
making just enough money to get food on the table.
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Netflix made nine hundred million dollars off of squid Game.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
That's insane. I read that article and he was just like, listen,
I barely was making ends meet. Like these corporations, they
can't get away with what they're getting away away right now.
So this stripe is necessary and mandatory.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, And I just think that when it comes down
to it, we need more content for us by us,
and more representation. And so I think that if we
were already behind talking about Latinos in general in the Hollywood,
and if this strike doesn't go through, or if they
don't come to an agreement, it's just going to put
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us even further behind because they're not worried about us,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Like there were yes as a greater whole.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
They're worried about all of their actors, and I understand that,
but they're not particularly saying like, you know, we're fighting
for this group or we're fighting which you know, I
think that they need to do.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
That as a whole, Like, yes, what they're doing the
right thing.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
They're looking at the union as a whole, and they're like, look,
we're fighting for everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
But when you look at like when you really really.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Dissect it, there is a real vacancy when it comes
to our stories, and nobody is rushing to help us
get them out there, you know. So I think that
the people that are in the industry now that have
been established, they get it.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
They're trying. But you know, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
The whole reason why I wanted to like just touch
on this subject for this episode.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
We got to give a big shout out to our girl,
sag after a president Frank Dreshman.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Oh, she put it down. She was not playing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
She is outside, no makeup, baseball cap. She is with
the people.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
She is.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I'm proud of her right now because I'm like, yo,
she's not sitting at a desk. She's speaking out for
these union members.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
No she definitely is. And a lot of you guys
might know that name fran Dresher.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
It is the actress from The Nanny. She is now
the president of sag AFT and she is fighting. She
said I was an actress. No I wasn't, and she
said I am an actor, like I know, I know
what we are facing, you know. And so she did
that press conference, and I'm sorry for mis quoting her,
but she did that press conference and I felt I
felt that, I felt.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
How strongly she felt about it. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
So Fran Dresher is doing her thing. Jason Sudeikis was
just out at thirty Rock. Did you see that they
had him out there? He was out there on the
picket line striking in front of thirty Rock where he.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Was on SNL sell a Caroline. And it's necessary right now,
it's it's necessary that everyone banded together.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Absolutely. But that's why I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
It's like there are so many people who are like, oh,
don't bite the hand and the feeds, and it's like, well, no, yeah,
I know that I came. I'm not speaking for Jason Sudeikas,
but it's just like in front of thirty Rock for me,
that is such symbolism, you know, because it's like you
gotta be willing to speak up for yourself to get
the things that you want. So like I just saw
Hillary Duff was on the picket line, Olivia Wilde, Mark Ruffalo.
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These are like big name actors that are going out
there to throw their support behind this.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
So you know, I just encourage you and for me too.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You know that's what made me think because I told
you a little bit earlier, I was thinking should I
go out there and should I represent? You know what
I told Greg Tea, we should go out there after
the show one day, even as it's for an hour.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That's a fact, Carolina, because it's just, you know, we
got to get outside. We got to stand for something,
you know, the same way we go outside and you know,
we boycott and we pick it. These are people trying
to make a living. It's their livelihood, it's their image,
it's how they make a living. And it's unfair what
these big studios are trying to do.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Definitely, And you know, I feel like we can apply
this even to you know, every day life, Like you
may work in a place where you have an administrator
and you constantly feel like they're just taking shit away
from you, you know what I mean, you feel like
you're getting stripped down, like you No, they're not going
to match your four one k No, they're not going
to give you, uh you know, flex spending. No, like
(25:31):
I'm making up things. I'm saying like there are all
of these scenarios where we go through this in life,
and it's like you got to stick up for yourself
at some point and say, you know, I'm not willing
to work for you anymore if you're not going to
take care of me. And I think that that's what
this really comes down to.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
If you didn't understand what's going down. I hope that
you know right now it's crystal clear for you and
that you support and you repost and you understand and
you're sympathetic. People are just out here trying to make
a living. That's it. It's not the Wrap, it's not
Tom Hanks, it's not the other one anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
It's Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Throw him because he makes hell.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
He makes I mean, come on mission impossible, just as
like globally right now, it just broke more records. So
you know, I do think that this is so important too.
It's like a learning lesson, you know, because like I
could have shamed my friend and the real reason for
this podcast was, like I said, our conversation, but instead
it's like we sat there, I educated.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
She's like, oh my gosh, She's like, thank you for
like giving me that perspective. You know. She was like
I would have never known. She's like, I know you
were in the Union.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I said, yes, like that have union dos right, that's
what you're told me.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Well, yeah, yes, I told her.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I was just like probaly even a part of the union.
So it's like I don't even remember. I don't want
to quote myself like early two thousands, you know. So
I just think it's like it's also a learning opportunity
where you know, it doesn't have to necessarily be about
the actors. Like I said, you can apply it to
your own life or you know, teach your children that
times in life you do have to stand up for
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things and what a strike really is about, you know.
So there are a number of ways that you can
spend this and make it a learning opportunity. But you know,
I stand with Saga Aftra. I support my fellow actors,
and I say it like as if I want a daytime.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I'm or something. You know, I asign one life to live.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But listen, you are you when you give out your resume?
Is this actor on it? That is all that matters? Carolina?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Listen, I was on a soap opera I've done.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I need to slip dramas.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yes, honey, you know what, I am an actor and
I will say that proudbly, and you know what with
from from.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Your lips to God's ears.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I hope I get more roles after this is all
worked out, so you know, well, I'll send you the clips.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Honey, I got you.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You better get back outside to auditioning once they get
this raisin order? Was this a situation? Is all situated?
I want you back to acting because everywhere I go
in New York there's something being shot. So you don't
have to move to Hollywood again, Karlina, you can act here, Honey.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I'm not even kidding you.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I on this vacation when I was talking to Mark,
I said, you know, because we all joke about it,
and I know that people are like, oh.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, she's not an actress. You know what I actually study.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
But I did study theater in college and I moved
out to La to act, and I auditioned and I
told you guys the story.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh there's dogs.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I told you guys the stories many times. You know,
I saw a different side of Hollywood as a young lady,
and to be able to work in the industry in
my thirties and even early forties, it's just like, it's
such a gift for me and to be a Latina
and to represent as a I don't care if I'm
on the background of a TV I'm representing as a
Latina anchor.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
On a major national network show. You know what I'm saying.
So it's like, I don't ever.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I don't ever want to minimize my work. But I
did tell Mark. I was like, you know, I would
love to get back into the acting. I said, you know,
I would love to start working with a coach again,
you know, because there's something about it. And that's why
I was saying, It's like there's something about it that
when you go out there and.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You do a great job and you deliver your line
and you know you did great your life. I got this,
you know, so you never know where you'll see me next.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Thank you, thank you if you made it to the
end of this week's episode. I really hope you did,
and I hope you joined us next Friday. But you
can also continue the conversation with us. I'm at the
Real Carolina on all social media.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Hit me up on Instagram It's I am Honey German,
and make sure to follow and subscribe Life and Spanglish
on all platforms, including all the streaming platforms.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yes, please do. Hell no, we won't go. I'm gonna
get ready. I gotta go out there. I gotta pick it,
so I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
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