July 24, 2020 • 20 mins
What does it mean for the military to be under civilian control? Jim and Alice talk about obedience, loyalty, and subordination with ethicist Dr. Pauline Shanks Kaurin, author of "On Obedience." Then they catch up with former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral (ret) Michael Mullen to talk about how presidents and senior military officers build, and sometimes lose, trust.
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