January 15, 2025 • 49 mins
Can being a peacemaker really change lives? Join us in this episode to see how Barnabas bridged gaps in the early church and what we can learn today!
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hi and welcome to the Cheer Up Podcast.
I am your host, kara R Hunt,and with me is the beautiful and
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How are you today, Sherri?
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, because I'm not on that, but Iam very flattered so thank you,
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welcome to all of our listenersout there.
Just welcome to Chirp Nation.
We so appreciate you tuning inevery week, liking, subscribing,
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say thank you.
And today we are getting readyto continue our discussions into
in deep dives well, I can't saydeep dives because, honestly,
we're just really skimming thesurfaces of some of the biblical
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figures we have been coveringthis year, some of the biblical
figures we have been coveringthis year.
And again we're doing it thisyear, excuse me and again we're
doing this because in the Bible,in these biblical figures Old
Testament and New gosh we'vejust been learning so much and a
lot of them we didn't even do adeep, deep dive into because
that would just take onebiblical figure could easily
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take up to a month or more ofepisodes.
So you know, we've just beenkind of pointing out some of the
major things that God had seenthem through and how, even
though that was thousands ofyears ago, how God is still
doing that for us today.
And last week we did Paul, ohmy goodness, and that was just
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such an awesome, awesome,awesome episode that Sherri did.
And so if you haven't heard ityet, then you can easily just
just wherever you are, just kindof go to last week's episode
and you'll be able to see Paul.
And if you're interested in anyother biblical figures that we
did, just kind of scroll down orup.
However, the platform you're onhas them organized and you can
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just click on any of the onesthat you listen to, or you can
listen to all of them.
So and we would greatlyappreciate it if you did Today
we are going to be talking aboutBarnabas B-A-R-N-A-B-A-S.
Barnabas.
It is definitely one of thosenames where you think the ending
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should be B-U-S and not B-A-S,but it's actually Barnabas, you
know, which means son ofencouragement, of encouragement,
you know, and just a little bitof the notes that I found as I
was researching a little bit onBarnabas is that he was a very
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and I was just talking with thisabout Sherry, excuse me, with
Sherry he was a very importantfigure in the early Christian
church.
He doesn't have a book of theBible named after him, like
Matthew, mark, luke and John, sohe doesn't have that, but he
was such an important figure.
You can hear he's, I think,initially introduced in Acts,
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chapter 4, I think Don't quoteme on that but surely when you
start reading Acts you're goingto come across Paul.
He was a native of Cyprus andhe was a Jewish Christian.
His original name was Joseph,but he was later given the
nickname Barnabas, which means,like I mentioned earlier, son of
encouragement in Aramaic.
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He played a key role in theearly Christian community by
introducing the newly convertedSaul.
Saul was later known as Paul.
Barnabas played a key role inthe Christian community by
introducing the newly convertedSaul to the apostles in
Jerusalem and vouching for hissincerity.
The apostles in Jerusalem andvouching for his sincerity.
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And you can find that in Acts,chapter 9, verses 27 and 28,.
I believe I actually had itright there in front of me but I
put it away and it'll makeprobably some noise if I was to
get up right now and try to godigging for it.
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And he actually vouched for theapostle formerly known as Saul
as Paul, and he did that.
He had to do that.
And again, this is in Acts,chapter 9, verses 27 and 28.
He introduced him to thembecause they were afraid of him.
They were afraid of Paul.
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And so when Paul after hisconversion at Damascus, after
his road to Damascus moment, youknow, and he became a full-on
believer in the Lord JesusChrist of Nazareth and he was
living that life and he wantedto kind of get involved with the
disciples and things like that.
But he was.
They were just like what youWait a minute, you're known for
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killing Christians, not justkilling them, torturing them,
stoning them, murdering them,and you want to be so.
They were a little bitapprehensive, they were a little
bit scared, they were a littlebit nervous Probably some
anxiety there too about lettinghim into the boat.
But it was Barnabas thatactually said hey, I've
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witnessed some things this guyhas done.
I've seen him, I've heard himpreach, I've seen him do some
things.
I'm telling you he's the realdeal.
So Barnabas was huge in doingthat and he was also known.
Barnabas was also known for hisgenerosity, which is
demonstrated in Acts, chapter 4,when he sells a piece of
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property.
Because he was a wealthy man orhe came from wealth, I should
say.
But he owned a piece ofproperty that he sold to the
church in Jerusalem and heactually supported the apostles
with that, if I'm not mistaken.
But he was also known as apeacemaker, which I want to talk
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about a bit later.
But he was also known as apeacemaker and he was an
encourager and to me when youhave encouragement, when you
pair the two gifts ofencouragement and peacemaker
together, that just makes for awonderful, wonderful human being
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, if you ask me, because theyjust seem to coincide so much
together.
So again, he was just a keyfigure in early church.
He was known for hisencouragement, generosity and
peacemaking efforts and heplayed an important role in
introducing Paul to the apostlesand partnering with him in
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early missionary work of churchExcuse me, of the early
Christian church.
Like they say, he was anencourager.
He definitely was that.
He was definitely generous andas you read through the book of
Acts on him you'll be able tosee that pretty clearly.
But I kind of wanted to talkabout his peacemaking, because
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I'm just in awe of it, and oneof them was he was a peacemaker
between a disagreement betweenPaul and Peter and that's in
Galatians 2, 13, over the issueof Gentile believers observing
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Jewish customs, and so there waslike that little disagreement
there with Paul and Peter and Iguess it was there to what the
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King James Version calls it withPaul himself, and again, this
is in Galatians 2.13.
They had a quarrel because Paulblasted him and I believe it was
him and Peter for going astrayand being hypocrites.
And Paul didn't just do thislike on the side of a mountain
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or a hill or at the sea and he'stalking to like Barnabas and
Peter and just saying, hey guys,you know you're being a little
bit hypocritical with some ofthe things you're saying and
things you're doing no, heblasted them, paul blasted them
and called them out, basicallyin front of the church at
Antioch.
I think Ain't that right,sherry, I think he was.
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He just blasted it, he justblasted them, he just called
them out, you know there.
And he did it in such a waythat I'm just thinking like wow,
because afterwards it wasn'tlong afterwards that him and
Paul were back in good gracesagain and he was able to make
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peace with Paul and I'm going,wow.
I just don't know.
I would have had some feelingsemotionally about that and I
don't know if the scriptures saythis in the book of Acts.
So, sherry, let me know if itdoes.
But I don't think Paul talkedto them quietly about it at
first at all.
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I think he just kind of putthem on public notice and blast
right there when he was talkingto the church of Antioch, put
them on public notice and blastright there when he was talking
to the church of Antioch.
And so I would have been like,wow, really, paul, you're my
friend, you're my best friend.
Like I introduced you to thedisciples and the apostles and I
vouch for you, you couldn'teven give me a heads up that you
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think I was maybe heading inthe wrong direction with
something.
You couldn't just whisper myear.
You can call me over for dinner.
The wrong direction withsomething.
You couldn't just whisper in myear, you couldn't call me over
for dinner.
We talk about it.
But you got to put me on blastlike that in front of the very
church that we've all beenministering to, like I don't
know, and I don't know if Iwould have been quite as
forgiving.
But remember Barnabas, he's apeacemaker.
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He made peace between Paul andPeter because Peter was quite
upset about that whole ordeal.
He made peace when John Mark,barnabas's cousin, he made peace
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with John Mark and Paul.
So Paul seemed to, you know,kind of stir the ire up in
people from time to time, butyet he was always there for Paul
and he kept forgiving him.
And maybe he was mad at firstafter they quarreled about what
happened I think they're inAntioch but he obviously he
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forgave him and he just moved on.
He was more concerned aboutjust keeping the peace than you
know his own feelings.
And this was even after,because he not only just vouched
for Paul and pretty much waslike hey, you know, this is who
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he is, you know and all of thisstuff, but he also what's the
word I'm looking for Now?
He didn't mentor Paul, sothat's not the word I'm looking
for, but he vouched for Paul andin Paul's ministry like, excuse
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me, in Paul's ministry justkind of took off like fire.
Barnabas didn't necessarily getthe same attention, I guess I
could say, as Paul did.
I mean, paul went on to writeall these books of the Bible and
a lot of his trials andtriumphs are very much well
documented, you know, and thingslike that.
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So Barnabas didn't quite getthat same attention that he did,
but yet he was responsible forbringing Paul, like into the
disciples, you know, fold andeverything else.
So then, if someone called you ahypocrite in front of people,
that takes a lot, but it alwaysmakes me question am I a
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peacekeeper, you know?
Am I able to just forgive andjust put peace above everything
else?
I know the answer to that.
I don't know if I'm willing toshare it right now, but you know
I might, but in any otherquestion.
If I saw two people arguing too.
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Um, if I saw two people arguingand it depends on whether they
were family or friends then Iwould immediately um put a stop
to it, um, like Barnabas didbetween Peter and Paul and his
cousin John, mark, mark and Paul.
But if it was two people I knewthem, but I wasn't necessarily
close to, but we were allworking on a project together I
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wouldn't pursue peace first, andone of the reasons is I'm going
to sit back and I'm going tolisten, not because I'm enjoying
them arguing, but because Ibelieve so much truth can come
out in the heat of the momentthem arguing.
But because I believe so muchtruth can come out in the heat
of the moment.
The way people really feel, theway people really think the
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truth of what they did and whycomes out when the pressure's on
, in the heat of the moment,when high anger is involved,
when emotions are involved, whenthey're confronted with
something and they haven't had achance to prepare an answer.
I think truth comes out becausethey're not able to fake it or
phony their way out of it,because someone's really just
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calling them out right then andthere, or confronting them or
asking them something.
And in the heat of the momentthe truth tends to come out.
They just haven't had a chanceto run it through all their
mental and emotional filters.
You know when the pressure's on.
So it wouldn't be because I'menjoying them arguing, but
especially if we were working onsomething together or we had a
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mission not necessarily amission, but we were all
supposed to do somethingtogether I want to know who I'm
involved with, I want to knowwhat kind of people I'm dealing
with, and so I would probablyjust sit back and just listen,
because I'm mentally takingnotes, I'm mentally seeing what
these people are made of.
If there's anything hidden thatI probably need to, you know.
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Hmm, do I need to look moreinto this, or?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
is this the right?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
person for me to be working on this project with.
So I do it, you know, for thosereasons.
However, if it ever got to thepoint where it got heated enough
to become the fisticuffs whereyou know they just are brawling
or it looks like it wasdefinitely going to be headed
that way, of course I'm going tointervene, but in the beginning
no, because I find out a lot ofinformation when people are in
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the heat of the moment, you knowand the scripture talks about
how the heart, the mouth speaksand truth comes out when you put
the pressure on.
There's a reason so many showslike Metlock, perry Mason Murder
, she Wrote shows like that.
Perry Mason Murder, she Wroteshows like that.
It's like when they'reconfronted with something and
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they don't have a time to repaira lie or escape or anything
like that, they just come forthwith the truth, and so that's
one of the reasons why I wouldprobably let it go on for a
little while, because I'mmentally taking notes and making
observations, but again, beforeI got physical, I would
intervene.
What about you, sherry?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
There's just so much to to focus on with Barnabas.
Like I didn't know that partabout um Paul calling him out,
but I can totally see Paul doingthat after talking about Paul.
Um, but the thing that reallystruck me the most about what
you were talking about was howGod uses every single one of us
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in each assignment that Godgives us.
Even if it's not out in thespotlight, it is so vitally
important.
Not out in the spotlight, it isso vitally important Barnabas
had said to God.
When God said hey, I want youto introduce and I want you to
pave the way, because you are,you're the cool head in in this
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group People look up to.
So it's your up to you topresent Paul to these people who
think that he's going to killthem, and you need to make it
right and you need to help themfeel less intimidated or less
uneasy or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Afraid.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Right, you need to pave the road for Paul, because
I need somebody and you're theperfect person to do it, because
I need somebody and you're theperfect person to do it.
So that job was more vitallyimportant, I would say, than
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Paul writing all the differentbooks in the Bible, because he
wouldn't have been able to doany of that if he hadn't been
accepted by the disciples andhad been a part of that part of
God's plans that was in his life.
So I think, yeah, I thinkthat's the part that really
speaks to me the most out ofwhat you've been talking about
that.
And then I think, becauseBarnabas is, I get the
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impression and I don't think theBible specifically says this,
but just from what you've beensaying about him, I get the
impression that he had a verysoft heart, and by that I mean
soft towards God.
So, yeah, he screwed up and hewas doing things he shouldn't
have been doing and Paul calledhim out, probably not the way he
was supposed to.
You're supposed to call outanother believer.
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Was that Paul?
I wonder if Paul wrote thatafter the fact going um, I kind
of screwed this up with Barnabas, I think.
I thought he wanted to do itdifferently, like how fun would
that be if that was really thecase?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't know, I know, I think, I think the scripture
you're referring to is uh,confront each other in love.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Right, yeah, and I don't know if that was Paul or
not, because, yeah, I'm prettysure, you know, I like what you
just said about Barnabas, how hemust have had a tender heart.
He had a calm spirit, you know,and he had like a tender heart,
a soft heart towards God andtowards Paul.
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And you know what's so funny?
Because I think Paul neededBarnabas, like you said.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
He needed Barnabas because he could be hot.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I mean, he already got into it already.
Look, barnabas introduced them.
And then Paul goes and getsinto arguments with them and
calls them out for beinghypocrites, you know, calls them
out for being hypocrites, youknow.
And so yeah, but that wasPaul's personality, right?
He didn't walk on eggshellsaround anyone, and so I think he
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needed.
It's just so funny.
I could just imagine God beingup in heaven and be like man.
Paul's going to do some.
Paul's going to do some greatthings.
But I need to put Barnabas inhis path.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
He's a little rough around the edges and he needs a
little help.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Right, you know he's going to need a Barnabas.
He's going to yell at Barnabas,he's going to scream at him,
but yet he still needs him.
You know he's still going toneed him to kind of soften out.
You know his rough edges, youknow, and things like that.
And so it's just funny how Godjust puts those people in a path
we need and we think we don'tneed them.
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And they probably annoy usbecause they're always so calm,
cool, collected.
You know, nothing reallyrattles their cage, so to speak.
And yet you're all passionate,passionate and you're ready to
just read the riot act toeverybody who deserves it, breed
or foe.
And you know you have Barnabasthere and he's like, hey, just
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let's calm down.
You know like it don't have tobe this way, let's.
You know we can work this allout.
And it even says you know thatthey quarreled.
So you know we can work thisall out.
And it even says you know thatthey quarreled.
So he obviously said a fewthings, but I think his heart
was so soft towards God and hisfellow disciples that he just
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didn't let those feelings get inthe way.
What do you think, sherry?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I think you're right.
It reminds me of my pastor.
He always is talking about howhe tries to wake up every
morning and live unoffendable.
And I kind of get thatimpression from the way that
you're describing Barnabas, thathe wasn't perfect, he made
mistakes, but that he tried tolive life unoffendable.
So, in other words, yeah, paulcalled him out.
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So, in other words, yeah, paulcalled him out.
Yeah, there were times when, youknow, he argued with people and
didn't agree with everythingthat they said, which, if you
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agree with everything thatpeople say, then you have a
problem, then you're prettyunhealthy, because if you are
truly living the way that Godwants you to live, then you're
going to disagree with people atsome point, because that's just
, that's his life, so.
So he's going to disagree withpeople.
He's going to, you know, haveissues with people or have an
opinion or whatever, whatever.
But I just kind of get the'mthinking to myself.
Paul lived that way too, likePaul's personality was on one
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side of the spectrum, barnabas'personality was on the other
side of the spectrum, but theirgoals were exactly the same.
It was to live life the waythat God wanted them to live, to
be on point and to fulfill themission and the purpose that God
gave them.
And while it looks different,it was the same.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Oh yeah, it was the same purpose, just they had
different things on how to do it.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Right, exactly, and they were both working for the
same goal.
God would be saying well donemy good and faithful servant to
both of them and it would lookcompletely different.
So there would be times whenthey would clash, because one
would be coming at it from oneside of the spectrum, one would
be coming at it from the otherside of the spectrum, but yet
God would be pleased with bothExactly.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And then when you look at the situation where he
had to make peace between hiscousin Mark, who wrote the
Gospel of Mark, and Paul, whowrote a significant amount of
the New Testament, I think thedisagreement was along.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Paul didn't want Mark to come along, right, he was
mad at him because he was bailedon him before, so he didn't
want to bail on him again yeah,he he was, he was pretty.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's so funny because he was mad at him.
So let's, so.
It's obvious he still had agrudge.
Right, paul did, and barnabas.
I could just see him goingseriously, paul, like can't we
just forget about that?
That was the past, let's moveon.
You know, and I know that weneed, we need Mark with us.
You know, and I could just seePaul being adamant like nope,
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never again not going to do it.
You know, and you have to be atrue peacemaker to be able to
work with someone who could bethat obstinate and stubborn even
though they have a good reasonfor it.
right, you have to.
There's like a, I think, aspecial anointing for
peacemakers who can deal withpeople like that, you know, but
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he wasn't able to make Paul seehis and Mark's view on things.
So they parted, you know, andyou know Barnabas and Mark went
one way and then John ended upgoing another.
But you know what happened theyended up in two different
missionary journeys instead ofone, and God blessed that and
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even more people came to knowChrist.
So it was like it was almost asif God said, oh my gosh, really
, you guys, but that's okay,that's okay.
You know, I'm going to redeemthis.
And it's going to work, it'sgoing to all work.
It's going to even work better.
You know Not that you guys are,you know, are apart.
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But have you ever had to makepeace with someone, Sherry, that
they just weren't the kind,they just didn't want peace in
that particular situation?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't know if I'm very good at that, but something
you just said, I think I wantto be better at that than I am.
But one of the things that yousaid struck me.
So I'm thinking in the Biblehow sometimes and I can't off
the top of my head come up withan example in the Bible, but I
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know there are examples butsometimes I think in life we get
too comfortable and sometimes Ithink god will use conflict to
move us in the direction that hewanted us to go to begin with,
because without the conflict wewouldn't move, because we're too
comfortable so I'm wondering ifit wasn't even part of god's
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plan to begin with, because theyweren't moving, he knew that he
wanted double the spread of thegospel.
They weren't out, they weren'tgetting the memo, so he was like
I'll go ahead and let normalhuman nature, normal human
conflict happen so that I canaccomplish the goal that I
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wanted to.
Not that I think that henecessarily wanted them to fight
, but I think that he used thatfor his good.
Because they weren't, maybe,for whatever reason, they
weren't willing to look at theoption of hey, maybe we need to
do this separately instead oftogether.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You know what that is so true?
Because they were socomfortable and they had been
doing this for a while, andthose mission journeys that they
went on, they weren't likeovernight, they were long
journeys.
You know, they were longjourneys and not only when
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you're with someone for thatlong period of time or you're
going to have disagreementsright, you generally do but then
you become comfortable withthem, right, like you said.
And when you become comfortable, I think we kind of just always
assume, oh, this is the way Godwants it, when he's like yeah,
I need you guys to split upbecause I got bigger plans.
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Yeah, I'm not seeing a biggerpicture, you know.
So I can definitely.
I can definitely see that, and Ican't help but admire people
who can and I said this beforebut who can just deal with
difficult, stubborn, obstinate.
You know, people that won'tbend, and in this case it wasn't
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just Paul.
It doesn't look like John Markwas being bendable either, right
, and so eventually Barnabas hadto make a choice and he chose
his cousin.
But it all worked out because,you know, god is good and
Barnabas ended up making peacewith Paul again.
You knowoffendable, you know,as you said earlier, and as you
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said, excuse me, how your pastorsays he tries to live earlier
and just staying focused on themission, because a lot of times,
sherry, you and I both knowthose offenses can keep us
stagnant for a very long timefor a very long time.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Well, and that makes me think about a modern day
example, and that is how many ofus serve at church and I'm just
going to use serving at churchas an example right now but how
many of us serve at church, howmany of us get comfortable with
the people that we serve with?
How many of us get comfortablein the roles that we're in.
What about if, one Sunday, inthe roles that we're in, what
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about if, one Sunday, the peoplewho so I'm going to talk about
serving in the nursery, becausethat's what works for me, that's
what I'm comfortable with.
So you're in the two andthree-year-old room and you're
with your family, because weserved as a family for many,
many, many years.
So you're with your family.
Well, all of a sudden, thepeople in the baby room, the
infant room, don't show up.
So you're being asked to goover there or say, for instance,
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the people in the baby room arehaving surgery and they won't
be around for six months.
They have six months of feelingand they aren't allowed to
listen to anything.
So you get approached by yourleader and said hey, you're so
good, would you be willing to goserve in the infant room for
six months?
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God wants us to be flexible.
God wants us to be willing togo where he can use us the most.
So we need to be willing tohave an open mind, be
unoffendable and to not look atit as but this is where I always
serve, this is my family, thisis my friend, this is what I
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want to do.
It's not about us.
The missions they went on werenot about them.
The missions were about who.
Who is going to be um, who'sgoing to be reached like we're
talking about eternity thingshere and we're talking about
eternity things.
If you're serving at camp withkids, oh absolutely.
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If you're talking about servingin the nursery, you might say,
well, yeah, but their babies aregoing to heaven anyway.
Yeah, but their parents need tosit and listen to the service
on the um uninterrupted insteadof having it either somebody
very inexperienced, so that theparents are called every week,
or somebody who doesn't go in atall, and then the parents have
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to take the kid in with them andthen the kids, the parents are
distracted.
Like we're talking.
Like we're talking majoreternity stuff here.
We're not talking comfort.
So I think that's somethingelse that we really need to
think about.
When we're called and challengedto do something that we don't
necessarily want to do or that'soutside of our comfort zone, or
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we worked with so-and-so before, or so-and-so has a reputation
for not working and just sittingon their phone for an hour.
I don't want to work with thatperson Really, because maybe God
wants you to, maybe you need tobe, maybe you're in the
position where you were mentoredand now it's time for you to
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mentor.
We need to step outside ofwhat's in it for us and what's
the best, most comfortable forus, and instead be like okay,
what does God want me to do?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know what?
That reminds me of a Beth Moorestudy, excuse me, a Beth Moore
Bible study.
I was in a couple of years,actually several years ago, and
again, I don't work for BethMoore, I don't work for her
ministry, we're not sponsored bythem.
I just happened to be in awomen's Bible study who was
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using one of her Bible studiesthat she designed for women and
I honestly cannot think of thename of it, so I apologize of
which study of hers we weredoing.
So I apologize for that, but Iremember there was a part in
there that really struck me tothe core and it piggybacks off
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of what Sherry had just said.
In this particular Bible studyyou know Beth Moore was and for
those who don't know, beth Mooreis like a Bible teacher and,
excuse me, bible study, women'sBible study teacher.
But anyway, she had mentionedin there how sometimes God puts
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people in our life to kill us,and I just remember that.
That struck me to my corebecause she wasn't talking about
physically kill us, right, shemeant spiritually to kill off
stuff that didn't need to bethere in the first place.
And that can be done by whenyou have to work with someone
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you don't like someone youdisagree with, someone who
annoys you, someone whoirritates you, someone who
pushes you to your limit,someone who brings out your sin
nature, everybody else.
You're this good Christian,you're happy, you're joyful.
You're this wonderful personand that's your natural self.
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You're this wonderful personand that's your natural self.
You know, until you're rubbedthe wrong way by the wrong
person on the wrong day at thewrong time, you know.
And so, basically, what she wasjust saying was that sometimes
God put those people in ourlives to kill off the rough
edges you know, to bring them tolight so that you could see
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like, oh, my goodness, lord, Ithought I dealt with that anger
a long time ago.
I thought I dealt with mytemper a long time ago.
I thought I, you know, dealtwith dismissing people I don't
like a long time ago, you know.
But this person is in my pathand I'm starting to recognize
that old sin nature come back up.
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And so that's what she meantwhy sometimes God put people in
your life to kill you.
Right Now, you have to toleratetheir nonsense or their
shenanigans, but it's a learningexperience for us, and so, like
Sherry said, sometimes we justneed to change our perspectives
on it and not be so offended andtrust and believe there are a
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lot of people out there.
Sometimes we just need tochange our perspectives on it
and not be so offended and trustand believe.
There are a lot of people outthere who say things
intentionally to offend you andthey get joy from it.
You know they're not saying itabsentmindedly or anything like
that.
They know it's going to getunder your skin and they do it
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simply to watch your facebreathe in pain, right, so there
are those people out there, butlet's take those opportunities
right To see how we feel.
Does love come out or does thatold sin nature come out, the one
that God has redeemed us from,you know?
Does that old sin nature comeout?
Do you snap back at them?
Do you start offending them inanother way?
Do you start plotting your them?
Do you start offending them inanother way?
Do you start plotting yourrevenge on them for saying what
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they said or did what they did?
If that, if that you startseeing more of that than just,
than love and or peace, likewith Barnabas, you know, in a
way, you, you, you, you respondto them, not saying, accepting
what they said, not sayingaccepting what they're doing,
but you no longer have a heartfor them.
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You have just hatred, just purehatred.
Then that's part of us thatneeds to be killed off.
God is letting us see that thatthat's a part of us that needs
to be killed off, so thosepeople can really be beneficial
to us, and I think sometimes Goduses that to help us open our
eyes, to see that that part isstill there and that he can move
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us a lot further and a lotfaster in our Christian journey.
If we dealt with it.
Did that make sense, sherri?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh, absolutely, and I think, when we find ourselves
in those types of situations, Ithink one of the prayers that I
like to pray myself is God whatdo you want to teach me in this
situation?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
What do?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
you need me to learn, because we're not going to like
look at all the differentmissions and so forth that God
had the disciples on in theearly church, where he's not
going to graduate us and promoteus to the next place until
we're ready.
And we won't be ready until wekill off some of those negative
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parts.
In fact, in the ministry that Imyself do, I have to be patient
.
Well, two things.
One, I want to be patientbecause I don't want to step
into full-time ministry untilGod is ready for me to step into
full-time ministry.
I don't want to be ill prepared,I don't want to be um, I don't
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want to have not learned thelessons that God wants me to
learn.
And I can feel, because Istarted, I've shifted and
instead of God, I want to be infull-time ministry right now.
Make it happen.
I've shifted and I've said okay, god, what is it that you still
need to teach me that I haven'tlearned yet?
Because I don't want to.
I don't want to be put in aposition prematurely to where
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I'm not ready, and then I fallmiserably.
And not only is it that I don'twant to fall myself, but I
don't want to take anybody withme.
Right, right, exactly.
I think we need to really,really focus on that.
And that was one of the thingsthat Barnabas like.
Barnabas did a lot of wonderfulthings.
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They were under, yeah, underthe radar.
He wasn't held in highaccolades, but he did a lot of
wonderful things that God wasvery pleased with him for, but
he never once had to take thecredit leave with him for but he
never once had to take thecredit.
Never once, in any of ourdiscussion today, have I heard
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anything about Barnabas beingprideful or needing attention or
any of those things Like heknew his place, he was happy in
his place and when he was farfrom perfect which I love how
God points that out, so that wedon't, they were all far from
perfect, which I love how Godpoints that out they were all
far from perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
They were arguing, they were quarreling, and
sometimes we kind of think thatthe disciples and stuff were
saints.
Far from it, right.
You know, and it's just nice tosee that they were regular,
everyday people.
Who has to deal?
And this brings us to the endof this discussion and the
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reason why we're talking aboutbiblical figures it's just nice
to see that they were humanbeings as well.
They didn't have halos overtheir heads, they didn't have
wings on their back.
They were flawed people, justlike all of us, but yet God used
them all.
He used them anyway.
He taught them major things andhe blessed them to do mighty
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things for his kingdom.
And, like Sherry said, barnabasdidn't even cry about the
credit.
He didn't.
He was another person who didnot complain.
We talked about that with Paullast week.
He didn't, he didn't.
He was another person who didnot complain.
We talked about that with Paullast week.
He didn't complain Like Lord.
Why is Paul getting all theattention?
And you know they wouldn't evenknow.
You know he wouldn't be in withthe disciples or whatever it
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was for me.
He didn't do any of that.
You know he, yeah, he knew hislane and he stayed in it.
He knew his lane and he stayedin it.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
And I think he liked his lane, he seemed happy in his
lane.
He you know that goes back toand we do need to wrap it up
because we could talk for hours,but that goes back.
I'm pretty sure Barnabas knewwho he was in Christ.
He knew his identity in Christand Paul definitely knew his
identity in Christ.
He knew what it was like to benot in Christ and knew what it
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was like to be in Christ, andthat, right there, I think, is
the perfect way to end.
When we know our identity inChrist, we have a godly
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confidence that we cannot haveany other way, and when we have
that God's confidence, then weknow who we are, we know what
our mission is and we can stayon point, because that that is
what our focus is.
Our focus is not to be anotherPaul.
Our focus is not to be anotherBarnabas.
Our focus is to be SherryFalwell and Kara R Hunt, and you
know whoever you are, fill inthe blank.
Whatever your name is we.
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So, actually, I think that thatmight be the real challenge
today that I want to leave youwith is do you know your
identity in Christ?
If you, don't we have a seriesthat you can go back and listen
to.
All you got to do is is, youknow, look on the whatever
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platform that you're using, lookback to past episodes, because
we have we have a whole seriesthat we did on the identity of
Christ and ask the Holy Spiritto show you what your gifts are,
to show you what your missionand your purpose is.
And he might not answer youimmediately, but that's part of
the fun, that's part of theadventure.
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The journey, the discovery isthat God wants you to dig deep
with him.
He wants you to have that closerelationship with him and you
will not disappoint.
So that's my, that's mychallenge to you this week is to
, if you don't know what youridentity in Christ is, then ask
the Holy Spirit and go back andlisten to the episode and if you
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do, if you are confident inyour identity in Christ, then
live it, absolutely, step out.
You have confidence that youare where God wants you to be.
You ask God to open the doorsthat he wants to open and live
expectantly.
We had a guest speaker at ourchurch a couple weeks ago and
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it's funny because every time hecomes he brings a word from the
Holy Spirit and I was soexcited when I saw that he was
coming and before he startedpreaching, I remember I bowed my
head.
It was after worship, before hegot on stage and I said to God.
I said God, I am hereexpectantly this morning.
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I know you're going to show up,I know you're going to speak and
I can't wait to hear what it is.
And not two minutes later hesaid man, I hope you guys are
here expectantly this morning.
I go.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yes, I already did, I'm here, I'm ready, I am
expectant.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And you know what God brought it.
And there is nothing thatbrings more enthusiasm and more
joy and more hope and moreexcitement than knowing that you
are where God wants you to be,even if you don't know all the
details of where God wants youto be, but knowing that you are
where God wants you to be andthat he is going to open the
doors in his timing and he isgoing to do great and mighty
miracle signs and wonders, andyou get to be a part of it.
There is nothing better, andyou know what.
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That is not just something fromthe Bible, that is not just
something that well, thathappened way back then but
that's not ever going to happennow.
Nope, not true.
God did miracle signs andwonders way back when and he
does miracle signs and wondersagain now.
Karen and I could both sit hereand talk to you for hours about
ways that God has done miraclesin our lives and in the lives
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of others If not days.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
What was that?
I said if not day?
You said hours.
I said if not days, it wouldtake forever.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
The way God has done miracles in our lives and in our
family's lives, and he wants todo the exact same thing for you
.
So on that note, I am going toend it today, because otherwise
we would continue to go on andon and on.
But I hope that you got aglimpse a little bit more into
Barnabas's life and how vitallyimportant he was.
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He seemed like he was a minorcharacter, but far from it.
How vitally important he wasfor the mission of God, for
God's purpose of humanity andmankind, but also for the
purpose and destiny that he hadfor Barnabas' life himself.
So John 16, 33 tells us thesethings I have spoken to you that
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in me you may have peace Inthis world.
You will have tribulation, butbe of good cheer.
I have overcome the world.
No matter what happens in thislife, god is right, there with
us and he's taking care of usand I am so, so grateful that we
don't have to go through lifealone.
If you have been listening tothe podcast, or if the Holy
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Spirit has just been stirring inyour heart that you want what
other people have, you want thatrelationship instead of that
religion.
You don't exactly know what itis, but you know that you want
it.
You don't exactly know what itis, but you know that you want
it.
I want to take a few minutestoday and invite you to say a
prayer with us.
It's not the saying of thewords that brings you to
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salvation.
It's believing it in your heart.
It's saying the words andbelieving them in your heart,
and God says, you will be saved.
So if that is something thatyou want to do today, then I
invite you to pray this prayerwith us.
If you want to start arelationship with God or move
from going through the motionsof a religion into stepping into
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a relationship with a HeavenlyFather, I'll tell you what it is
one decision that you will makethat will change your life
forever, and it will be the bestdecision that you will make.
That will change your lifeforever and it will be the best
decision that you have ever evermade.
So if that is, you, then repeatthis prayer after me oh
Heavenly Father, I come to youin Jesus' name.
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I believe you died on the crossand that you rose again and
you're seated on the throne.
Jesus, forgive me for all thatI have done wrong and I choose
to forgive all others Come intomy life today and forever.
I am yours In Jesus' name, amen.
If that was you, would youreach out to us and email us at
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cheeruppodcasts at gmailcom andjust say I prayed that prayer
today.
We are so happy for you, we areso happy that you did that and
we say welcome to the family.
The next step is finding a Biblebelieving church, getting into
a group, a community ofbelievers who believe the way
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you do, and growing your faith.
And part of growing your faithis um opening up your Bible and
reading it, and I hope that, asyou have um listened to us
throughout the different weeksand we've been talking about the
different Bible figures or thefigures in the Bible that you've
gotten excited and you want tostart reading the Bible.
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If you don't know where tobegin in reading the Bible,
reach out to us again atcheeruppodcasts, at gmailcom,
and I have a gift that I cangive you that can just kind of
be a little helpmate.
Come alongside you to just kindof give you that little extra
support of maybe you want tostart here type of a thing.
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Kara and I are here for you.
We are so grateful for theopportunity to encourage you
every week and point you back tothe one who loves you more than
anybody else ever could.
Head over to Kara's website,kararhuntcom, and she will, or
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you can find out all thewonderful things that's going on
in her ministry and with herbook.
You can also head over toSherrySwalwellcom there's a
membership if you're interestedin checking that out.
There's fiction, nonfiction,and we both have YouTube
channels, so you can check thoseout as well.
We I just I don't think we cansay it enough how much we enjoy
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spending every week with you all, um, spending every Wednesday
with you all, um, so enjoy therest of your Wednesday.
Today, um, it is August 14th.
It is August 14th, so this isthe last week of freedom that we
have here at our family.
Full starts next Monday, so weare going to have an extra
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special rest of our week.
I hope that you all do too, andwe will talk to you next week
when we start talking aboutTennessee.
Hi and welcome to the Cheer Up Podcast.
I am your host, kara R Hunt,and with me is the beautiful and
kind and glamorous and fabulousSherri Swalwell.
How are you today, Sherri?
I think that you might betalking about a different Sherri
, because I'm not on that, but Iam very flattered so thank you,
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but I am very flattered sothank you and hello and hi and
welcome to all of our listenersout there.
Just welcome to Chirp Nation.
We so appreciate you tuning inevery week, liking, subscribing,
downloading.
We're available, sharing withyour friends and we just want to
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say thank you.
And today we are getting readyto continue our discussions into
in deep dives well, I can't saydeep dives because, honestly,
we're just really skimming thesurfaces of some of the biblical
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figures we have been coveringthis year, some of the biblical
figures we have been coveringthis year.
And again we're doing it thisyear, excuse me and again we're
doing this because in the Bible,in these biblical figures Old
Testament and New gosh we'vejust been learning so much and a
lot of them we didn't even do adeep, deep dive into because
that would just take onebiblical figure could easily
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take up to a month or more ofepisodes.
So you know, we've just beenkind of pointing out some of the
major things that God had seenthem through and how, even
though that was thousands ofyears ago, how God is still
doing that for us today.
And last week we did Paul, ohmy goodness, and that was just
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such an awesome, awesome,awesome episode that Sherri did.
And so if you haven't heard ityet, then you can easily just
just wherever you are, just kindof go to last week's episode
and you'll be able to see Paul.
And if you're interested in anyother biblical figures that we
did, just kind of scroll down orup.
However, the platform you're onhas them organized and you can
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just click on any of the onesthat you listen to, or you can
listen to all of them.
So and we would greatlyappreciate it if you did Today
we are going to be talking aboutBarnabas B-A-R-N-A-B-A-S.
Barnabas.
It is definitely one of thosenames where you think the ending
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should be B-U-S and not B-A-S,but it's actually Barnabas, you
know, which means son ofencouragement, of encouragement,
you know, and just a little bitof the notes that I found as I
was researching a little bit onBarnabas is that he was a very
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and I was just talking with thisabout Sherry, excuse me, with
Sherry he was a very importantfigure in the early Christian
church.
He doesn't have a book of theBible named after him, like
Matthew, mark, luke and John, sohe doesn't have that, but he
was such an important figure.
You can hear he's, I think,initially introduced in Acts,
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chapter 4, I think Don't quoteme on that but surely when you
start reading Acts you're goingto come across Paul.
He was a native of Cyprus andhe was a Jewish Christian.
His original name was Joseph,but he was later given the
nickname Barnabas, which means,like I mentioned earlier, son of
encouragement in Aramaic.
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He played a key role in theearly Christian community by
introducing the newly convertedSaul.
Saul was later known as Paul.
Barnabas played a key role inthe Christian community by
introducing the newly convertedSaul to the apostles in
Jerusalem and vouching for hissincerity.
The apostles in Jerusalem andvouching for his sincerity.
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And you can find that in Acts,chapter 9, verses 27 and 28,.
I believe I actually had itright there in front of me but I
put it away and it'll makeprobably some noise if I was to
get up right now and try to godigging for it.
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And he actually vouched for theapostle formerly known as Saul
as Paul, and he did that.
He had to do that.
And again, this is in Acts,chapter 9, verses 27 and 28.
He introduced him to thembecause they were afraid of him.
They were afraid of Paul.
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And so when Paul after hisconversion at Damascus, after
his road to Damascus moment, youknow, and he became a full-on
believer in the Lord JesusChrist of Nazareth and he was
living that life and he wantedto kind of get involved with the
disciples and things like that.
But he was.
They were just like what youWait a minute, you're known for
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killing Christians, not justkilling them, torturing them,
stoning them, murdering them,and you want to be so.
They were a little bitapprehensive, they were a little
bit scared, they were a littlebit nervous Probably some
anxiety there too about lettinghim into the boat.
But it was Barnabas thatactually said hey, I've
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witnessed some things this guyhas done.
I've seen him, I've heard himpreach, I've seen him do some
things.
I'm telling you he's the realdeal.
So Barnabas was huge in doingthat and he was also known.
Barnabas was also known for hisgenerosity, which is
demonstrated in Acts, chapter 4,when he sells a piece of
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property.
Because he was a wealthy man orhe came from wealth, I should
say.
But he owned a piece ofproperty that he sold to the
church in Jerusalem and heactually supported the apostles
with that, if I'm not mistaken.
But he was also known as apeacemaker, which I want to talk
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about a bit later.
But he was also known as apeacemaker and he was an
encourager and to me when youhave encouragement, when you
pair the two gifts ofencouragement and peacemaker
together, that just makes for awonderful, wonderful human being
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, if you ask me, because theyjust seem to coincide so much
together.
So again, he was just a keyfigure in early church.
He was known for hisencouragement, generosity and
peacemaking efforts and heplayed an important role in
introducing Paul to the apostlesand partnering with him in
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early missionary work of churchExcuse me, of the early
Christian church.
Like they say, he was anencourager.
He definitely was that.
He was definitely generous andas you read through the book of
Acts on him you'll be able tosee that pretty clearly.
But I kind of wanted to talkabout his peacemaking, because
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I'm just in awe of it, and oneof them was he was a peacemaker
between a disagreement betweenPaul and Peter and that's in
Galatians 2, 13, over the issueof Gentile believers observing
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Jewish customs, and so there waslike that little disagreement
there with Paul and Peter and Iguess it was there to what the
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King James Version calls it withPaul himself, and again, this
is in Galatians 2.13.
They had a quarrel because Paulblasted him and I believe it was
him and Peter for going astrayand being hypocrites.
And Paul didn't just do thislike on the side of a mountain
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or a hill or at the sea and he'stalking to like Barnabas and
Peter and just saying, hey guys,you know you're being a little
bit hypocritical with some ofthe things you're saying and
things you're doing no, heblasted them, paul blasted them
and called them out, basicallyin front of the church at
Antioch.
I think Ain't that right,sherry, I think he was.
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He just blasted it, he justblasted them, he just called
them out, you know there.
And he did it in such a waythat I'm just thinking like wow,
because afterwards it wasn'tlong afterwards that him and
Paul were back in good gracesagain and he was able to make
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peace with Paul and I'm going,wow.
I just don't know.
I would have had some feelingsemotionally about that and I
don't know if the scriptures saythis in the book of Acts.
So, sherry, let me know if itdoes.
But I don't think Paul talkedto them quietly about it at
first at all.
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I think he just kind of putthem on public notice and blast
right there when he was talkingto the church of Antioch, put
them on public notice and blastright there when he was talking
to the church of Antioch.
And so I would have been like,wow, really, paul, you're my
friend, you're my best friend.
Like I introduced you to thedisciples and the apostles and I
vouch for you, you couldn'teven give me a heads up that you
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think I was maybe heading inthe wrong direction with
something.
You couldn't just whisper myear.
You can call me over for dinner.
The wrong direction withsomething.
You couldn't just whisper in myear, you couldn't call me over
for dinner.
We talk about it.
But you got to put me on blastlike that in front of the very
church that we've all beenministering to, like I don't
know, and I don't know if Iwould have been quite as
forgiving.
But remember Barnabas, he's apeacemaker.
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He made peace between Paul andPeter because Peter was quite
upset about that whole ordeal.
He made peace when John Mark,barnabas's cousin, he made peace
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with John Mark and Paul.
So Paul seemed to, you know,kind of stir the ire up in
people from time to time, butyet he was always there for Paul
and he kept forgiving him.
And maybe he was mad at firstafter they quarreled about what
happened I think they're inAntioch but he obviously he
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forgave him and he just moved on.
He was more concerned aboutjust keeping the peace than you
know his own feelings.
And this was even after,because he not only just vouched
for Paul and pretty much waslike hey, you know, this is who
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he is, you know and all of thisstuff, but he also what's the
word I'm looking for Now?
He didn't mentor Paul, sothat's not the word I'm looking
for, but he vouched for Paul andin Paul's ministry like, excuse
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me, in Paul's ministry justkind of took off like fire.
Barnabas didn't necessarily getthe same attention, I guess I
could say, as Paul did.
I mean, paul went on to writeall these books of the Bible and
a lot of his trials andtriumphs are very much well
documented, you know, and thingslike that.
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So Barnabas didn't quite getthat same attention that he did,
but yet he was responsible forbringing Paul, like into the
disciples, you know, fold andeverything else.
So then, if someone called you ahypocrite in front of people,
that takes a lot, but it alwaysmakes me question am I a
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peacekeeper, you know?
Am I able to just forgive andjust put peace above everything
else?
I know the answer to that.
I don't know if I'm willing toshare it right now, but you know
I might, but in any otherquestion.
If I saw two people arguing too.
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Um, if I saw two people arguingand it depends on whether they
were family or friends then Iwould immediately um put a stop
to it, um, like Barnabas didbetween Peter and Paul and his
cousin John, mark, mark and Paul.
But if it was two people I knewthem, but I wasn't necessarily
close to, but we were allworking on a project together I
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wouldn't pursue peace first, andone of the reasons is I'm going
to sit back and I'm going tolisten, not because I'm enjoying
them arguing, but because Ibelieve so much truth can come
out in the heat of the momentthem arguing.
But because I believe so muchtruth can come out in the heat
of the moment.
The way people really feel, theway people really think the
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truth of what they did and whycomes out when the pressure's on
, in the heat of the moment,when high anger is involved,
when emotions are involved, whenthey're confronted with
something and they haven't had achance to prepare an answer.
I think truth comes out becausethey're not able to fake it or
phony their way out of it,because someone's really just
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calling them out right then andthere, or confronting them or
asking them something.
And in the heat of the momentthe truth tends to come out.
They just haven't had a chanceto run it through all their
mental and emotional filters.
You know when the pressure's on.
So it wouldn't be because I'menjoying them arguing, but
especially if we were working onsomething together or we had a
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mission not necessarily amission, but we were all
supposed to do somethingtogether I want to know who I'm
involved with, I want to knowwhat kind of people I'm dealing
with, and so I would probablyjust sit back and just listen,
because I'm mentally takingnotes, I'm mentally seeing what
these people are made of.
If there's anything hidden thatI probably need to, you know.
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Hmm, do I need to look moreinto this, or?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
is this the right?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
person for me to be working on this project with.
So I do it, you know, for thosereasons.
However, if it ever got to thepoint where it got heated enough
to become the fisticuffs whereyou know they just are brawling
or it looks like it wasdefinitely going to be headed
that way, of course I'm going tointervene, but in the beginning
no, because I find out a lot ofinformation when people are in
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the heat of the moment, you knowand the scripture talks about
how the heart, the mouth speaksand truth comes out when you put
the pressure on.
There's a reason so many showslike Metlock, perry Mason Murder
, she Wrote shows like that.
Perry Mason Murder, she Wroteshows like that.
It's like when they'reconfronted with something and
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they don't have a time to repaira lie or escape or anything
like that, they just come forthwith the truth, and so that's
one of the reasons why I wouldprobably let it go on for a
little while, because I'mmentally taking notes and making
observations, but again, beforeI got physical, I would
intervene.
What about you, sherry?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
There's just so much to to focus on with Barnabas.
Like I didn't know that partabout um Paul calling him out,
but I can totally see Paul doingthat after talking about Paul.
Um, but the thing that reallystruck me the most about what
you were talking about was howGod uses every single one of us
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in each assignment that Godgives us.
Even if it's not out in thespotlight, it is so vitally
important.
Not out in the spotlight, it isso vitally important Barnabas
had said to God.
When God said hey, I want youto introduce and I want you to
pave the way, because you are,you're the cool head in in this
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group People look up to.
So it's your up to you topresent Paul to these people who
think that he's going to killthem, and you need to make it
right and you need to help themfeel less intimidated or less
uneasy or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Afraid.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Right, you need to pave the road for Paul, because
I need somebody and you're theperfect person to do it, because
I need somebody and you're theperfect person to do it.
So that job was more vitallyimportant, I would say, than
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Paul writing all the differentbooks in the Bible, because he
wouldn't have been able to doany of that if he hadn't been
accepted by the disciples andhad been a part of that part of
God's plans that was in his life.
So I think, yeah, I thinkthat's the part that really
speaks to me the most out ofwhat you've been talking about
that.
And then I think, becauseBarnabas is, I get the
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impression and I don't think theBible specifically says this,
but just from what you've beensaying about him, I get the
impression that he had a verysoft heart, and by that I mean
soft towards God.
So, yeah, he screwed up and hewas doing things he shouldn't
have been doing and Paul calledhim out, probably not the way he
was supposed to.
You're supposed to call outanother believer.
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Was that Paul?
I wonder if Paul wrote thatafter the fact going um, I kind
of screwed this up with Barnabas, I think.
I thought he wanted to do itdifferently, like how fun would
that be if that was really thecase?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't know, I know, I think, I think the scripture
you're referring to is uh,confront each other in love.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Right, yeah, and I don't know if that was Paul or
not, because, yeah, I'm prettysure, you know, I like what you
just said about Barnabas, how hemust have had a tender heart.
He had a calm spirit, you know,and he had like a tender heart,
a soft heart towards God andtowards Paul.
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And you know what's so funny?
Because I think Paul neededBarnabas, like you said.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
He needed Barnabas because he could be hot.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I mean, he already got into it already.
Look, barnabas introduced them.
And then Paul goes and getsinto arguments with them and
calls them out for beinghypocrites, you know, calls them
out for being hypocrites, youknow.
And so yeah, but that wasPaul's personality, right?
He didn't walk on eggshellsaround anyone, and so I think he
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needed.
It's just so funny.
I could just imagine God beingup in heaven and be like man.
Paul's going to do some.
Paul's going to do some greatthings.
But I need to put Barnabas inhis path.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
He's a little rough around the edges and he needs a
little help.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Right, you know he's going to need a Barnabas.
He's going to yell at Barnabas,he's going to scream at him,
but yet he still needs him.
You know he's still going toneed him to kind of soften out.
You know his rough edges, youknow, and things like that.
And so it's just funny how Godjust puts those people in a path
we need and we think we don'tneed them.
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And they probably annoy usbecause they're always so calm,
cool, collected.
You know, nothing reallyrattles their cage, so to speak.
And yet you're all passionate,passionate and you're ready to
just read the riot act toeverybody who deserves it, breed
or foe.
And you know you have Barnabasthere and he's like, hey, just
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let's calm down.
You know like it don't have tobe this way, let's.
You know we can work this allout.
And it even says you know thatthey quarreled.
So you know we can work thisall out.
And it even says you know thatthey quarreled.
So he obviously said a fewthings, but I think his heart
was so soft towards God and hisfellow disciples that he just
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didn't let those feelings get inthe way.
What do you think, sherry?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I think you're right.
It reminds me of my pastor.
He always is talking about howhe tries to wake up every
morning and live unoffendable.
And I kind of get thatimpression from the way that
you're describing Barnabas, thathe wasn't perfect, he made
mistakes, but that he tried tolive life unoffendable.
So, in other words, yeah, paulcalled him out.
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So, in other words, yeah, paulcalled him out.
Yeah, there were times when, youknow, he argued with people and
didn't agree with everythingthat they said, which, if you
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agree with everything thatpeople say, then you have a
problem, then you're prettyunhealthy, because if you are
truly living the way that Godwants you to live, then you're
going to disagree with people atsome point, because that's just
, that's his life, so.
So he's going to disagree withpeople.
He's going to, you know, haveissues with people or have an
opinion or whatever, whatever.
But I just kind of get the'mthinking to myself.
Paul lived that way too, likePaul's personality was on one
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side of the spectrum, barnabas'personality was on the other
side of the spectrum, but theirgoals were exactly the same.
It was to live life the waythat God wanted them to live, to
be on point and to fulfill themission and the purpose that God
gave them.
And while it looks different,it was the same.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Oh yeah, it was the same purpose, just they had
different things on how to do it.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Right, exactly, and they were both working for the
same goal.
God would be saying well donemy good and faithful servant to
both of them and it would lookcompletely different.
So there would be times whenthey would clash, because one
would be coming at it from oneside of the spectrum, one would
be coming at it from the otherside of the spectrum, but yet
God would be pleased with bothExactly.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And then when you look at the situation where he
had to make peace between hiscousin Mark, who wrote the
Gospel of Mark, and Paul, whowrote a significant amount of
the New Testament, I think thedisagreement was along.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Paul didn't want Mark to come along, right, he was
mad at him because he was bailedon him before, so he didn't
want to bail on him again yeah,he he was, he was pretty.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's so funny because he was mad at him.
So let's, so.
It's obvious he still had agrudge.
Right, paul did, and barnabas.
I could just see him goingseriously, paul, like can't we
just forget about that?
That was the past, let's moveon.
You know, and I know that weneed, we need Mark with us.
You know, and I could just seePaul being adamant like nope,
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never again not going to do it.
You know, and you have to be atrue peacemaker to be able to
work with someone who could bethat obstinate and stubborn even
though they have a good reasonfor it.
right, you have to.
There's like a, I think, aspecial anointing for
peacemakers who can deal withpeople like that, you know, but
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he wasn't able to make Paul seehis and Mark's view on things.
So they parted, you know, andyou know Barnabas and Mark went
one way and then John ended upgoing another.
But you know what happened theyended up in two different
missionary journeys instead ofone, and God blessed that and
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even more people came to knowChrist.
So it was like it was almost asif God said, oh my gosh, really
, you guys, but that's okay,that's okay.
You know, I'm going to redeemthis.
And it's going to work, it'sgoing to all work.
It's going to even work better.
You know Not that you guys are,you know, are apart.
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But have you ever had to makepeace with someone, Sherry, that
they just weren't the kind,they just didn't want peace in
that particular situation?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't know if I'm very good at that, but something
you just said, I think I wantto be better at that than I am.
But one of the things that yousaid struck me.
So I'm thinking in the Biblehow sometimes and I can't off
the top of my head come up withan example in the Bible, but I
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know there are examples butsometimes I think in life we get
too comfortable and sometimes Ithink god will use conflict to
move us in the direction that hewanted us to go to begin with,
because without the conflict wewouldn't move, because we're too
comfortable so I'm wondering ifit wasn't even part of god's
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plan to begin with, because theyweren't moving, he knew that he
wanted double the spread of thegospel.
They weren't out, they weren'tgetting the memo, so he was like
I'll go ahead and let normalhuman nature, normal human
conflict happen so that I canaccomplish the goal that I
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wanted to.
Not that I think that henecessarily wanted them to fight
, but I think that he used thatfor his good.
Because they weren't, maybe,for whatever reason, they
weren't willing to look at theoption of hey, maybe we need to
do this separately instead oftogether.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You know what that is so true?
Because they were socomfortable and they had been
doing this for a while, andthose mission journeys that they
went on, they weren't likeovernight, they were long
journeys.
You know, they were longjourneys and not only when
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you're with someone for thatlong period of time or you're
going to have disagreementsright, you generally do but then
you become comfortable withthem, right, like you said.
And when you become comfortable, I think we kind of just always
assume, oh, this is the way Godwants it, when he's like yeah,
I need you guys to split upbecause I got bigger plans.
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Yeah, I'm not seeing a biggerpicture, you know.
So I can definitely.
I can definitely see that, and Ican't help but admire people
who can and I said this beforebut who can just deal with
difficult, stubborn, obstinate.
You know, people that won'tbend, and in this case it wasn't
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just Paul.
It doesn't look like John Markwas being bendable either, right
, and so eventually Barnabas hadto make a choice and he chose
his cousin.
But it all worked out because,you know, god is good and
Barnabas ended up making peacewith Paul again.
You knowoffendable, you know,as you said earlier, and as you
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said, excuse me, how your pastorsays he tries to live earlier
and just staying focused on themission, because a lot of times,
sherry, you and I both knowthose offenses can keep us
stagnant for a very long timefor a very long time.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Well, and that makes me think about a modern day
example, and that is how many ofus serve at church and I'm just
going to use serving at churchas an example right now but how
many of us serve at church, howmany of us get comfortable with
the people that we serve with?
How many of us get comfortablein the roles that we're in.
What about if, one Sunday, inthe roles that we're in, what
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about if, one Sunday, the peoplewho so I'm going to talk about
serving in the nursery, becausethat's what works for me, that's
what I'm comfortable with.
So you're in the two andthree-year-old room and you're
with your family, because weserved as a family for many,
many, many years.
So you're with your family.
Well, all of a sudden, thepeople in the baby room, the
infant room, don't show up.
So you're being asked to goover there or say, for instance,
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the people in the baby room arehaving surgery and they won't
be around for six months.
They have six months of feelingand they aren't allowed to
listen to anything.
So you get approached by yourleader and said hey, you're so
good, would you be willing to goserve in the infant room for
six months?
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God wants us to be flexible.
God wants us to be willing togo where he can use us the most.
So we need to be willing tohave an open mind, be
unoffendable and to not look atit as but this is where I always
serve, this is my family, thisis my friend, this is what I
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want to do.
It's not about us.
The missions they went on werenot about them.
The missions were about who.
Who is going to be um, who'sgoing to be reached like we're
talking about eternity thingshere and we're talking about
eternity things.
If you're serving at camp withkids, oh absolutely.
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If you're talking about servingin the nursery, you might say,
well, yeah, but their babies aregoing to heaven anyway.
Yeah, but their parents need tosit and listen to the service
on the um uninterrupted insteadof having it either somebody
very inexperienced, so that theparents are called every week,
or somebody who doesn't go in atall, and then the parents have
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to take the kid in with them andthen the kids, the parents are
distracted.
Like we're talking.
Like we're talking majoreternity stuff here.
We're not talking comfort.
So I think that's somethingelse that we really need to
think about.
When we're called and challengedto do something that we don't
necessarily want to do or that'soutside of our comfort zone, or
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we worked with so-and-so before, or so-and-so has a reputation
for not working and just sittingon their phone for an hour.
I don't want to work with thatperson Really, because maybe God
wants you to, maybe you need tobe, maybe you're in the
position where you were mentoredand now it's time for you to
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mentor.
We need to step outside ofwhat's in it for us and what's
the best, most comfortable forus, and instead be like okay,
what does God want me to do?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know what?
That reminds me of a Beth Moorestudy, excuse me, a Beth Moore
Bible study.
I was in a couple of years,actually several years ago, and
again, I don't work for BethMoore, I don't work for her
ministry, we're not sponsored bythem.
I just happened to be in awomen's Bible study who was
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using one of her Bible studiesthat she designed for women and
I honestly cannot think of thename of it, so I apologize of
which study of hers we weredoing.
So I apologize for that, but Iremember there was a part in
there that really struck me tothe core and it piggybacks off
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of what Sherry had just said.
In this particular Bible studyyou know Beth Moore was and for
those who don't know, beth Mooreis like a Bible teacher and,
excuse me, bible study, women'sBible study teacher.
But anyway, she had mentionedin there how sometimes God puts
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people in our life to kill us,and I just remember that.
That struck me to my corebecause she wasn't talking about
physically kill us, right, shemeant spiritually to kill off
stuff that didn't need to bethere in the first place.
And that can be done by whenyou have to work with someone
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you don't like someone youdisagree with, someone who
annoys you, someone whoirritates you, someone who
pushes you to your limit,someone who brings out your sin
nature, everybody else.
You're this good Christian,you're happy, you're joyful.
You're this wonderful personand that's your natural self.
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You're this wonderful personand that's your natural self.
You know, until you're rubbedthe wrong way by the wrong
person on the wrong day at thewrong time, you know.
And so, basically, what she wasjust saying was that sometimes
God put those people in ourlives to kill off the rough
edges you know, to bring them tolight so that you could see
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like, oh, my goodness, lord, Ithought I dealt with that anger
a long time ago.
I thought I dealt with mytemper a long time ago.
I thought I, you know, dealtwith dismissing people I don't
like a long time ago, you know.
But this person is in my pathand I'm starting to recognize
that old sin nature come back up.
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And so that's what she meantwhy sometimes God put people in
your life to kill you.
Right Now, you have to toleratetheir nonsense or their
shenanigans, but it's a learningexperience for us, and so, like
Sherry said, sometimes we justneed to change our perspectives
on it and not be so offended andtrust and believe there are a
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lot of people out there.
Sometimes we just need tochange our perspectives on it
and not be so offended and trustand believe.
There are a lot of people outthere who say things
intentionally to offend you andthey get joy from it.
You know they're not saying itabsentmindedly or anything like
that.
They know it's going to getunder your skin and they do it
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simply to watch your facebreathe in pain, right, so there
are those people out there, butlet's take those opportunities
right To see how we feel.
Does love come out or does thatold sin nature come out, the one
that God has redeemed us from,you know?
Does that old sin nature comeout?
Do you snap back at them?
Do you start offending them inanother way?
Do you start plotting your them?
Do you start offending them inanother way?
Do you start plotting yourrevenge on them for saying what
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they said or did what they did?
If that, if that you startseeing more of that than just,
than love and or peace, likewith Barnabas, you know, in a
way, you, you, you, you respondto them, not saying, accepting
what they said, not sayingaccepting what they're doing,
but you no longer have a heartfor them.
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You have just hatred, just purehatred.
Then that's part of us thatneeds to be killed off.
God is letting us see that thatthat's a part of us that needs
to be killed off, so thosepeople can really be beneficial
to us, and I think sometimes Goduses that to help us open our
eyes, to see that that part isstill there and that he can move
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us a lot further and a lotfaster in our Christian journey.
If we dealt with it.
Did that make sense, sherri?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh, absolutely, and I think, when we find ourselves
in those types of situations, Ithink one of the prayers that I
like to pray myself is God whatdo you want to teach me in this
situation?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
What do?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
you need me to learn, because we're not going to like
look at all the differentmissions and so forth that God
had the disciples on in theearly church, where he's not
going to graduate us and promoteus to the next place until
we're ready.
And we won't be ready until wekill off some of those negative
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parts.
In fact, in the ministry that Imyself do, I have to be patient
.
Well, two things.
One, I want to be patientbecause I don't want to step
into full-time ministry untilGod is ready for me to step into
full-time ministry.
I don't want to be ill prepared,I don't want to be um, I don't
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want to have not learned thelessons that God wants me to
learn.
And I can feel, because Istarted, I've shifted and
instead of God, I want to be infull-time ministry right now.
Make it happen.
I've shifted and I've said okay, god, what is it that you still
need to teach me that I haven'tlearned yet?
Because I don't want to.
I don't want to be put in aposition prematurely to where
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I'm not ready, and then I fallmiserably.
And not only is it that I don'twant to fall myself, but I
don't want to take anybody withme.
Right, right, exactly.
I think we need to really,really focus on that.
And that was one of the thingsthat Barnabas like.
Barnabas did a lot of wonderfulthings.
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They were under, yeah, underthe radar.
He wasn't held in highaccolades, but he did a lot of
wonderful things that God wasvery pleased with him for, but
he never once had to take thecredit leave with him for but he
never once had to take thecredit.
Never once, in any of ourdiscussion today, have I heard
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anything about Barnabas beingprideful or needing attention or
any of those things Like heknew his place, he was happy in
his place and when he was farfrom perfect which I love how
God points that out, so that wedon't, they were all far from
perfect, which I love how Godpoints that out they were all
far from perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
They were arguing, they were quarreling, and
sometimes we kind of think thatthe disciples and stuff were
saints.
Far from it, right.
You know, and it's just nice tosee that they were regular,
everyday people.
Who has to deal?
And this brings us to the endof this discussion and the
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reason why we're talking aboutbiblical figures it's just nice
to see that they were humanbeings as well.
They didn't have halos overtheir heads, they didn't have
wings on their back.
They were flawed people, justlike all of us, but yet God used
them all.
He used them anyway.
He taught them major things andhe blessed them to do mighty
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things for his kingdom.
And, like Sherry said, barnabasdidn't even cry about the
credit.
He didn't.
He was another person who didnot complain.
We talked about that with Paullast week.
He didn't, he didn't.
He was another person who didnot complain.
We talked about that with Paullast week.
He didn't complain Like Lord.
Why is Paul getting all theattention?
And you know they wouldn't evenknow.
You know he wouldn't be in withthe disciples or whatever it
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was for me.
He didn't do any of that.
You know he, yeah, he knew hislane and he stayed in it.
He knew his lane and he stayedin it.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
And I think he liked his lane, he seemed happy in his
lane.
He you know that goes back toand we do need to wrap it up
because we could talk for hours,but that goes back.
I'm pretty sure Barnabas knewwho he was in Christ.
He knew his identity in Christand Paul definitely knew his
identity in Christ.
He knew what it was like to benot in Christ and knew what it
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was like to be in Christ, andthat, right there, I think, is
the perfect way to end.
When we know our identity inChrist, we have a godly
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confidence that we cannot haveany other way, and when we have
that God's confidence, then weknow who we are, we know what
our mission is and we can stayon point, because that that is
what our focus is.
Our focus is not to be anotherPaul.
Our focus is not to be anotherBarnabas.
Our focus is to be SherryFalwell and Kara R Hunt, and you
know whoever you are, fill inthe blank.
Whatever your name is we.
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So, actually, I think that thatmight be the real challenge
today that I want to leave youwith is do you know your
identity in Christ?
If you, don't we have a seriesthat you can go back and listen
to.
All you got to do is is, youknow, look on the whatever
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platform that you're using, lookback to past episodes, because
we have we have a whole seriesthat we did on the identity of
Christ and ask the Holy Spiritto show you what your gifts are,
to show you what your missionand your purpose is.
And he might not answer youimmediately, but that's part of
the fun, that's part of theadventure.
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The journey, the discovery isthat God wants you to dig deep
with him.
He wants you to have that closerelationship with him and you
will not disappoint.
So that's my, that's mychallenge to you this week is to
, if you don't know what youridentity in Christ is, then ask
the Holy Spirit and go back andlisten to the episode and if you
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do, if you are confident inyour identity in Christ, then
live it, absolutely, step out.
You have confidence that youare where God wants you to be.
You ask God to open the doorsthat he wants to open and live
expectantly.
We had a guest speaker at ourchurch a couple weeks ago and
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it's funny because every time hecomes he brings a word from the
Holy Spirit and I was soexcited when I saw that he was
coming and before he startedpreaching, I remember I bowed my
head.
It was after worship, before hegot on stage and I said to God.
I said God, I am hereexpectantly this morning.
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I know you're going to show up,I know you're going to speak and
I can't wait to hear what it is.
And not two minutes later hesaid man, I hope you guys are
here expectantly this morning.
I go.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yes, I already did, I'm here, I'm ready, I am
expectant.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And you know what God brought it.
And there is nothing thatbrings more enthusiasm and more
joy and more hope and moreexcitement than knowing that you
are where God wants you to be,even if you don't know all the
details of where God wants youto be, but knowing that you are
where God wants you to be andthat he is going to open the
doors in his timing and he isgoing to do great and mighty
miracle signs and wonders, andyou get to be a part of it.
There is nothing better, andyou know what.
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That is not just something fromthe Bible, that is not just
something that well, thathappened way back then but
that's not ever going to happennow.
Nope, not true.
God did miracle signs andwonders way back when and he
does miracle signs and wondersagain now.
Karen and I could both sit hereand talk to you for hours about
ways that God has done miraclesin our lives and in the lives
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of others If not days.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
What was that?
I said if not day?
You said hours.
I said if not days, it wouldtake forever.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
The way God has done miracles in our lives and in our
family's lives, and he wants todo the exact same thing for you
.
So on that note, I am going toend it today, because otherwise
we would continue to go on andon and on.
But I hope that you got aglimpse a little bit more into
Barnabas's life and how vitallyimportant he was.
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He seemed like he was a minorcharacter, but far from it.
How vitally important he wasfor the mission of God, for
God's purpose of humanity andmankind, but also for the
purpose and destiny that he hadfor Barnabas' life himself.
So John 16, 33 tells us thesethings I have spoken to you that
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in me you may have peace Inthis world.
You will have tribulation, butbe of good cheer.
I have overcome the world.
No matter what happens in thislife, god is right, there with
us and he's taking care of usand I am so, so grateful that we
don't have to go through lifealone.
If you have been listening tothe podcast, or if the Holy
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Spirit has just been stirring inyour heart that you want what
other people have, you want thatrelationship instead of that
religion.
You don't exactly know what itis, but you know that you want
it.
You don't exactly know what itis, but you know that you want
it.
I want to take a few minutestoday and invite you to say a
prayer with us.
It's not the saying of thewords that brings you to
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salvation.
It's believing it in your heart.
It's saying the words andbelieving them in your heart,
and God says, you will be saved.
So if that is something thatyou want to do today, then I
invite you to pray this prayerwith us.
If you want to start arelationship with God or move
from going through the motionsof a religion into stepping into
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a relationship with a HeavenlyFather, I'll tell you what it is
one decision that you will makethat will change your life
forever, and it will be the bestdecision that you will make.
That will change your lifeforever and it will be the best
decision that you have ever evermade.
So if that is, you, then repeatthis prayer after me oh
Heavenly Father, I come to youin Jesus' name.
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I believe you died on the crossand that you rose again and
you're seated on the throne.
Jesus, forgive me for all thatI have done wrong and I choose
to forgive all others Come intomy life today and forever.
I am yours In Jesus' name, amen.
If that was you, would youreach out to us and email us at
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cheeruppodcasts at gmailcom andjust say I prayed that prayer
today.
We are so happy for you, we areso happy that you did that and
we say welcome to the family.
The next step is finding a Biblebelieving church, getting into
a group, a community ofbelievers who believe the way
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you do, and growing your faith.
And part of growing your faithis um opening up your Bible and
reading it, and I hope that, asyou have um listened to us
throughout the different weeksand we've been talking about the
different Bible figures or thefigures in the Bible that you've
gotten excited and you want tostart reading the Bible.
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If you don't know where tobegin in reading the Bible,
reach out to us again atcheeruppodcasts, at gmailcom,
and I have a gift that I cangive you that can just kind of
be a little helpmate.
Come alongside you to just kindof give you that little extra
support of maybe you want tostart here type of a thing.
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Kara and I are here for you.
We are so grateful for theopportunity to encourage you
every week and point you back tothe one who loves you more than
anybody else ever could.
Head over to Kara's website,kararhuntcom, and she will, or
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you can find out all thewonderful things that's going on
in her ministry and with herbook.
You can also head over toSherrySwalwellcom there's a
membership if you're interestedin checking that out.
There's fiction, nonfiction,and we both have YouTube
channels, so you can check thoseout as well.
We I just I don't think we cansay it enough how much we enjoy
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spending every week with you all, um, spending every Wednesday
with you all, um, so enjoy therest of your Wednesday.
Today, um, it is August 14th.
It is August 14th, so this isthe last week of freedom that we
have here at our family.
Full starts next Monday, so weare going to have an extra
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special rest of our week.
I hope that you all do too, andwe will talk to you next week
when we start talking aboutTennessee.
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