11 | Matt Slap | Symbolism, Sorcery, and Societal Norms | "The Why is Where The Power Lies" - Conspiracy and Chill Podcast

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Mike Straus (00:00):
Anticon.
So here we are.

Tom Higgins (00:21):
We got a good episode today from a guy I've
chatted with in person, mattSlaps.
Matt-o-mat some art shows, andI wish we could have recorded
the conversations that we had inperson, but that's why we got
him on the show and I think thatthe listeners will enjoy this
as well.
This was probably one of myfavorite episodes.

Yeah, he's an artist.
He's an amazing artist.
You guys should definitelycheck out his Instagram, matt
Slap.
Just search Matt Slap.
I mean some crazy cool trippyconspiracy.
I mean, how would you describehis art dude?
I would say like psychedelicconspiracy.

Yeah, occulted symbolic clothing line in art.
And, like he said, he wants hisart to kind of wake people up,
and now we gave him the abilityto do that with his words.

Yeah, this one was fun.
I liked it because you guys aresuper knowledgeable in this
lane.
Not that it doesn't interest me, it absolutely does.
I just have spent my time, youknow, looking at other areas, so
I was enjoying the ride, man,and a lot of things he said
clicked with me, obviously, asyou mentioned too during the
podcast.
Yeah, this was fun, bro.
Enjoy the episode.

We have a guest who I've had some interesting
conversations in person with,Matt Sheck.
He's a creator.
He owns the brand and companySlapass Creations.
He's an artist.
I met him at an art show and wehad some conversations that
definitely opened my eyes tosome things and caused me to go

(01:53):
down some extreme deep diveroutes, so this is an episode
I'm looking forward to.
How are you doing today, bro?

Mat Slap (02:00):
Doing great man.

How are you guys doing?

Pretty good.

Excellent, this is going to be quite the deep dive,
so check me.
We're going to start off whereyou kind of specialize the
occult magic, secret societies,symbolism.

Hold on, hold on.
I want to know who Matt is.

Mat Slap (02:20):
Well, I'm an artist and I've always, you know, like
making people react.
You know, just, I've alwaysliked making people go inwards,
I've always liked making peoplethink.
You know, that's been like abig motto of my company is

(02:40):
making people wonder since 2005.
So I've always tried to, youknow, just cause a reaction, you
know, change people'satmospheres.
But yeah, I just love creating.
I do all sorts of kind of art.
I do, you name it, like acrylic, colored pencil, sculpt,

(03:03):
digital, anything that I cancreate with my hands from the
ideas of my head, you know.

Good shit, I didn't mean to cut you off, Tom, I'm
sorry.
I just people are listening.
They might not know who MattSlap is.
I know I didn't know who MattSlap is.
Now I do.
I have a better understandingof who we're talking to, right
brother?

I was going to say I have a shirt that I bought
from you at one of your showsand it was the vaccine one with
the reptilian and I've worn that.
I've got some hilarious,hilarious there, so secondhand
influence in people'sconsciousness with that shirt.

Mat Slap (03:40):
Yeah, that 2020, you know, had a funny way of waking
people up, you know, and I had agood year before, like 2019 is
when I started to open my eyesto a lot of things.
A lot of things changed withinmyself and then I just started

(04:02):
going deep, diving into allsorts of things that, like, I
already knew, I knew about themand I never, like, anytime
anything conspiracy came up, Inever shut it down, like a lot
of people are like, oh, that'sjust a conspiracy.
I'm like, hey, it can happen,why not?
You know, I just was alwaysopen to the supernatural stuff.

(04:24):
I was always open to, I wasalways drawn to horror movies.
Heavy metal, skateboarding andall those things had a way of
delving into the supernaturalrealm and I always I always love
monsters.
I've always loved all that kindof stuff because I just think
it's a good way of openingpeople's eyes.

(04:47):
Alec Warakley can teach peoplea lot about themselves and other
people and I always love horrormovies because it was like one
of those things like my favoritehorror movies are like the
classics that were, you know,the unexplained forces that just
kept coming evil that just keptcoming and no one knew why and

(05:08):
they couldn't explain it.
And then there was always thatlike one, the one person, that
one friend that always seemed toknow what the heck was going on
with shit, and everybodythought that he was crazy.
But then he was the one that,like, came in and saved the day
and was just like I told you.

You're definitely talking to the two guys who
share the same interests, that'sfor sure.
The skateboarding or movies,the metal, that's definitely me
and Mike's cup of tea.
And I was going to say, likeyou said, it was things that you
kind of already knew about butyou didn't truly deep dive it.
I feel like recently and samehere, like I've consumed like

(05:48):
literally anything andeverything conspiracy related
over the years.
But I remember the first timewe talked and something that
always comes up is you find outthat these cults and like the
global elite and stuff, they'reobsessed with Saturn and
symbolism of Saturn, and Ididn't really have a deep
understanding of that and we hada conversation and you were

(06:08):
kind of elaborating on it.
So I think that would be a goodplace to start.
What is it with the globalelite and Saturn or what was?
How would you sum it up?
To people who aren't familiarwith that concept that even
sounds crazy to say itself.

Mat Slap (06:22):
You know Saturn is the .
You know the Lord of the Rings,you know it is the.
There's so many differentavenues you can go down with and
everybody has their own takewith.
With Saturn, it's the planetthat rules.
You know it's the judgment.

(06:42):
It's the planet that how wouldyou say it it's.
You know, if you don't deal withyour shit, you know it's going
to judge you and you know, fromwhat I've come to understand,
that these things are all just.
You know they have an effect onour consciousness, the planets
and where they were when youwere born.

(07:04):
And you know, you get, startgetting into astrology and stuff
, and these elites are superobsessed with Saturn.
Satan, you know, and it'ssimply the opposer, right, it's
the, that state of consciousnesswithin yourself.
You know that the Hebrews wouldlike to call Chetan.

(07:25):
You know, and it simply meansthe opposer.
It's when you start goingagainst the truth and you're
causing that friction withinyourself between your thoughts,
emotions and actions, and whenyou are doing dark shit and when
you're doing that stuff, you'regoing against the truth.
That's that which is likened toGod.

(07:46):
Any time you go against thetruth is what leads to suffering
.
So you know, there's, there'sso many, there's so many things
when it comes down toconspiracies with Saturn, and I
wouldn't say I'm an expert withit.
All I know is that they, thatthey all worship it.
You know they all have thatbecause it's a giant planet that

(08:09):
that rules us, you know.

Right, I was going to say it's clear that the
people in control areinversionists, so they love to
go against the natural order ofthings.
So it makes sense that thatwould be, you know, like the
talisman or whatever you want tocall it, the body that they
choose to identify with, andlike the black cube, symbolism.
And the planet Saturn itselfhas that hexagon, a perfectly

(08:35):
shaped hexagon, on its northpole.
I don't know if you knew that,Mike or some of the listeners
knew that there's a perfectlyshaped black hexagon.
They say it's a storm on thenorth pole of Saturn.

Yeah, I do.

Like a 3D cube and that's like it's related to the,
the hexagram star, like whatyou would call the star of David
or the star of Remfan, and yousee that symbol all over like
Freemasonry and even like ourdollar bill and just all types
of stuff.
So the black cube, the sixpointed star, the eye some

(09:10):
people think like Sauron fromLord of the Rings, again like
Mads at Lord of the Rings, thatSaturn is basically just like a
big cosmic eye, like watching us.

Mat Slap (09:19):
Yeah, and what they, what they do too, is with that.
You know it's, if you look atthe star of David or the blazing
star is what they would call,that it looks it is Saturn.
If you look at it, it is likethe hexagram is in the middle
and around it.

(09:39):
You got all the points whichmakes a.
What makes Saturn.
If you, if you look at it, andthat hexagram makes a cube right
, and the way that these globalelites, these, these satanists,
these dark, these darkLuciferians, you name it,
they're pissed at God becausethey can't do whatever they want
here.

(09:59):
So they, they look at this placeas a big imprisonment of matter
.
Like you're, you're imprisonedinto this, this matter, and you
can't do whatever you wantbecause natural law governs it.
So it's like you got the sevenprinciples of natural law and
what governs our soul here andthat's the most occulted stuff,

(10:22):
that's the most occulted thingis what, what binds our soul,
what governs our soul here, youknow, and these people, they
think that they can get awaywith doing whatever, or I don't
say they can get away with doingwith whatever they want, but
since they can't do whateverthey want, they're going to,
they look at this place as aprison and they're going to rule

(10:44):
over it like a gang in a prison.
So they've been.
They know how to bend naturallaw and they got all the police,
the military, all all thisstuff that we're policing
ourselves.
And you got all these peoplewhispering just in their ear
like, hey, go do this, and thatgets them out of their karmic

(11:04):
brunt, because other people areactually carrying out the orders
in which they are saying youknow, because they're, they're
bribing them, they're doing it,and it's all about power and
it's all about control at theend of the day, because they're
the ones that made up money.

Oh yeah, and it really is such an all
encompassing like, like peopletypically will describe the
conspiracy world or Illuminatithey're like a better term as
like a pyramid, but the very topis like the few who know and
they influence everyone from thetop down and the inferiors
don't even really know, likewhat they're doing.
They're just carrying out theorders of the higher ups.

(11:43):
And the prison thing that yousaid.
That's a really good analogybecause, yeah, they, they are
trying to rebel against God intheir own way by doing the most
important things possible.
Like we know about the humansacrifice from way back, when it
never really stopped likethere's plenty of conspiracies
leading to that, child sacrifice, stuff like that.

(12:06):
I don't know if people know thatSaturn, the Roman God,
literally like as he wasworshiped in Rome, was his story
he ate his own children so thatthey couldn't take his throne
and he was the God of, like,time and discipline and just
yeah, you know, like keepingeverything under control and you
know I don't know if you cansee that and it gets, it gets
dark, but when you really lookat the bigger picture, you can
tell that there is a very evilcult.

(12:28):
I wouldn't even say behind thescenes because the symbolism and
everything.
You don't have to do a ton ofhomework.
I know all of us here have been, you know, researching this
type of thing for a long timebut doesn't take a lot to
realize something very sinisteris kind of pulling the strings.

Mat Slap (12:46):
I mean that's absolutely sure, you know that's
for sure.
I mean, once you wake up to it,you start learning, and just
learning their symbolism.
You know, because oursubconscious mind, it speaks in
symbols, it doesn't speak inlanguage, it doesn't know
anything, and it's what webelieve, right, that we manifest

(13:09):
in this world.
I mean, just look at ourculture, like everybody is
divided.
It's like a big schism in thebrain, right, and it's a big
schism in the world.
These people want to keeppeople divided from within
themselves, within their family,within society.
And if you can do that and youcan make people believe the lie,

(13:31):
they're just going to keep onsuffering and suffering until
they come to find the truth fromtheir suffering.
You know what I mean, and it'sall comes down to morality.
You know, being a good person,you know all these secret
societies and all that stuff.
It all comes down to magic.
At the end of the day, we'reall magicians, right?

(13:52):
We all create this reality,individually and collectively.
And the reason that we're inthe mess that we're in is
because we're letting it happen,we're consenting to it and
nobody knows any different,because, you know, they can just
, they're incrementalists.
These, these people, though,they just they just do it over

(14:14):
time.
But we're witnessing them tospeed this shit up like crazy
within the last three years.
It's just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
People are like shit's happening, societies being demoralized.
I mean, just look at all thiswe got.
We got during the lockdown.
You got all these chicks doingonly fans.

(14:35):
You got all these people.
I want to be a boy when I'm agirl and I want to be a girl
when I'm a boy.
You know they're going againstthese fundamental laws of nature
.
And when you look at all thesepeople and they're and there's
so much suffering going on andpeople are like Well, I just got
, I just got depression and I'vegot anxiety and I got all of

(14:59):
this.
And they just want to do.
They take drugs, they take allthis other stuff because it runs
in my family, it's genetic.
Well, you got to break thatcurse.
And we're coming into a timewhere people are going to start
owning their shit and siftingthrough all that generational
trauma and just start owningtheir stuff, healing themselves,

(15:24):
their family, all this kind ofstuff like it's been talked
about.
And we're getting a ton of stuffjust from like the 19, like
1920s and and earlier, wherethey talk about this aquarium
age that we just are now in andwe're witnessing people lose
their fucking minds because andthis chick was talking about in

(15:47):
her book magician Dion fortuneshe was talking about you know
there's going to come a timewhen we get into this aquarium
age where people are going tocheck themselves in mental
facilities because they'relosing their shit, because
they're going against that whichis, you know, the return of the

(16:08):
Knights of the Round Table, thereturn of Christ, the return of
, you know, states.
These are all just like statesof consciousness within all of
us that, like, pretty much, weall just need to become more
people and start doing the rightthing and fuck around and find
out.
You know, it's like you gotpeople that want to control
every everybody and people arejust letting it happen, and so

(16:31):
we're trying to get a little bitof aggregate where we're all
consenting to.

I took a couple notes because, first off, man,
you said incrementally and Ithink that's that's crazy,
because I always try to, Ialways try to tell people too,
it's that's what they do theydon't, they don't go after your
freedoms, they don't go aftereverything all at once.
What they do is they nudge youoff the center ever so slightly

(17:01):
for, like you said, for a longperiod of time, until before you
know it, you're so fucking faroff center.
You're like, how did we gethere?
And then we're trying, like wefucking told you you want we
were crazy, but are we crazy now?
And then, the other thing thatyou said was about how people
should own their shit, and I'm afirm believer.

(17:22):
I don't believe addiction is adisease.
I believe you got to own it.
Like what exactly what you said, man?
I you know it's like, okay,maybe I was born into a bad
situation and this happened andthat happened.
Whatever the fuck, dude, it'sgot to stop somewhere might as
well be me now, right, you saida lot of good shit there, dude.
I don't have much to add in theway of like the occult, and you

(17:45):
guys are so far beyond me with,I mean, dude, I love it all.
You know me, I go hard and intopainting a lot of different
areas, and this is somethingthat I'm super fucking
fascinated by, but I definitelybow to you guys when it comes to
this and knowledge, so I'mlearning a fucking lot today.

Mat Slap (18:03):
This is cool and I'll tell you too, I took, I took
some notes from your guys'spodcast and I really like that
you brought that about, broughtthat up about addiction, because
I've grown up I've been arounddrugs my whole life.
My whole life I've had friends.
I've always been putting thesesituations where I'm able to

(18:24):
hang out with my friends thatare heroin addicts, people that
are doing crack and all thisstuff, and I'm like you know,
and it always comes down towhere I'm like, hey, guys, I can
only help you so much, andthere's gonna come a time where
I can't help you at all, youknow, because no one's gonna be
able to pull you out of this butyourself, because it's until
you get out of that victimhoodand that frame of mind you're

(18:48):
never gonna heal and you'renever gonna be well.
And so when you said that youdon't believe addiction is a
disease, I'm I 100% believe you,because there comes a lot of
like spiritual bypassing withthat kind of shit and I hate, I
can't stand AA when they tellyou you've got a disease and

(19:09):
you're, you're always gonna havea disease.
I'm like, well, that is aprogram that you're gonna be
telling yourself for the rest ofyour fucking life and you're
never gonna become well becauseyou're not changing your, your
stream of thought and that wayyou're never gonna break the
curse, you're never gonna breakthe cycle and it's all and it's
all this in the box that youkeep yourself in.

(19:30):
You know, and it comes back tothat cube.
You know, and people have beenunder such an enchantment and
such a big spell.
We witness the biggest spellcast in 2020 over the whole
world and it blew my mind.
I couldn't believe it washappening.
I'm like I'm sitting aroundwhen they made this announcement

(19:52):
that we're we're having alockdown and this is a pandemic
and all this stuff.
And I remember sitting in, Iwas at work and I watched
everybody at my work freak thefuck out like the front lady,
the, the lady in front.
She's making a new messagewe're closed from the indefinite
future for the foreseeablefuture.

(20:13):
And I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa.
You guys, this is magic.
What they're doing is they'remaking you react, because,
within all magic right they talkabout, within my studies of
this, is that it is all aboutyour state of mind, and are you

(20:34):
reacting to your environment oryou making your environment
react to you?
Because if you can make yourenvironment react to you.
You are in control and you arethe king of yourself and we.
I watched this and I'm like holyshit, people are just freaking
the fuck out and and believingthis stuff because people want
to be led and they they thinkthat this world is something.

(20:55):
Then then what they think andit's totally not what we think
it is and we're totally way morepowerful than what we have been
led to believe and who we areand what's going on here.
You guys, we're talking aboutAI and whatnot.
So, like, look at the internet,well, what, what is powering AI

(21:16):
?
Well, I like, in the internet,to like consciousness to what
are to our body.
The internet is the home, like,of consciousness, of AI and now
, like, people don't have agrasp on where that can go and
what they can do.
I've been around people mywhole life that had some kind of
trauma which led to addictionand it, and what I've learned to

(21:40):
about people with addiction isthose people are usually so
connected and so psychic thatthey feel like the.
They're the black sheep of thefamily, because they can see and
go in and grab into thesedifferent realms and be able to
see these things for what theyare.

(22:00):
But people are so enchanted tothink that our reality, like
fantasy, is, is just it's, it'sjust a thing in the movies, but
like they're taking the realityand selling it to us fantasy, so
you don't take action at all.

I think when you say word magic, a lot of people
immediately go like think thatthat's more, or like all this
guy's crazy wasn't talking aboutmagic is not real.
But I mean, it's very clearthat these like groups, these
secret societies, these peoplethey're, they're highly advanced
and they believe in it and they, you know, put a lot of power

(22:37):
and energy into it.
And if you could kind ofelaborate on what magic is,
because I would think, like mythoughts on it is kind of like
even what you do with your art,like you come up with an idea in
your head and you make it andyou turn it into reality.
That's kind of magic.
You have an idea for somethingyou, you bring it into you know

(22:58):
the physical realm.
Or like even us making thispodcast, you could argue that
that's a form of magicinfluencing your, you know your
reality.
So 100%.

Mat Slap (23:09):
Anything that we do within this world requires it
all starts in the mind first.
Everything starts in mind.
So you go outside, you look ateverything the infrastructure,
the buildings, the cars,everything.
Everything comes from mind.
Right, we live in a mentaluniverse and that's the first.

(23:29):
Like cosmic law is mentalism,everything is mine and it has to
start in mind first before itcan be created.
So you're, you're pulling downfrom this infinite source, the
ethers, all of it, and you'reable to create and show people
through allegory, throughcreation itself, because we're

(23:50):
like, we're the little G of thebig G, right, that's the beauty
of it.
Like, elsa Crawley's definitionof magic is the art and science
of affecting change with thewill, and in my study of magic
is it all comes down to what doyou want?

(24:13):
And you have to be veryspecific, because this place
gives you exactly what you want.
But you have to be veryspecific and you can't just let
the world decide for you,because then you're just never
gonna go anywhere, you're justgonna be a victim of
circumstance or you're just thispassive person.
But, like, if you get veryspecific and what you want to do

(24:34):
, it requires focus and itrequires honed in attention.
It's like a laser beam when youbecome a focused person and a
driven person and you're awrestler and you know exactly
what it takes because itinvolves focus, determination
and perseverance to get to likehow bad do you want it?

(24:55):
Do you want it?
Are you gonna get it?
Are you gonna go out there andmake, make the best of the time
that you have here, or are youjust gonna go around and let
everybody else tell you what todo?
And and that's what all magicis it's a study of consciousness
, because I've always been drawnto that.
And then, as I started learningabout it, is it?

(25:17):
It's psychology, but on such adeeper level and then you start
practicing this stuff and youstart getting into breathing
techniques and meditation andyou know, in all these rituals,
like ceremonial magic and allthese different fraternities and
secret societies do is it's allabout.
These rituals are for you tohelp you focus and put it

(25:42):
without any bullshit, chatter,tell, talk to you right, because
your mind right is not.
All your thoughts are yours andhow we work here is like I can
go.
I can go around, like who areyou surrounding yourself with?
You know you can be hangingaround with a bunch of people
and all of a sudden, you getlike this intrusive thought

(26:04):
that's super negative and you'relike where did that fucking
come from?
I guarantee you, all of us, ifanybody thinks about it's like
well, yeah, I've had thoughtslike that, like where the fuck
did that come from?
Well, our auric field, ourenergy we got like a big torsion
field of energy.
Right, we got like thisinvisible egg around us and like
we're powering this matter.

(26:26):
And that's crazy enough,because when I start talking to
people, especially atheists oranybody that doesn't believe
that there's a higher power, Ialways go, oh, that's cool.
But like, well, just answer methis.
It's like when you die, whenyou die here and your soul
leaves this body, your bodyoperates on totally different

(26:49):
sets of laws and becomes onewith the earth again.
That alone, just that thought,is enough to like blow your mind
of being like holy shit, likethat's right, like we generate
heat off of our body.
You know we generate all thisstuff and it's just, it's just
crazy.
We're so much more powerful andwe're all creators.

(27:13):
That's the, the, the one thingthat's special about all of us.
All of us are creators, all ofus are artists, all of us are
magicians, because we literallycreate the world in which we see
fit and we're adaptable.
We can change our mindset.
We can become and do anything,but requires a change of mindset

(27:34):
to do it like.
You want to be a lawyer okay,well, what do you got to do?
Well, if I change and learn tobe a lawyer.
You want to be a wrestler?
Well, what do you got to do?
Well, you got to go set yourmind to be a wrestler.
You want to be an ours?
You want to do that?
People tell me I wish I coulddo what you do.
I'm like we'll just do it, justfucking do it.
You're thinking way too muchabout this.

(27:55):
Do it.
Go, align yourself.
We're radios, right, we areliterally radios.
To where?
What station are you tuninginto to do what it is that we do
?
What do you?
What is it?
What is it?
What are you listening to?
What that, what?
What is that chatter in yourhead?
Is it your chatter?

(28:16):
Is it your own thoughts?
You know and that goes intodifferent technologies and
what's going on in the world.
You know we got all these 5gtowers everywhere.
We've got our, our, our skiesare weaponized against us and we
and you know, and most peopledon't even know how fucking wifi
works or how any of thesedevices work.

(28:38):
Just think it.
It just happens.
But like there's informationaround us and it's all in
radiation in the unseen realm.

I think it's.
It's fairly obvious that thepower of the mind is what
they're after to with one oftheir comes to just direct
propaganda, like, or themtelling you what you can or
can't say or think and what'sallowed, you know, like almost
like 1984 thought crime, andthen down to like the symbolism
that they constantly blast uswith and what you said tuning

(29:09):
into the right frequency.
So, yeah, you could think thatthe towers or the wifi or maybe
harp or whatever, like peoplelike to say you know good vibes,
bad vibes, like quite literallytrying to keep us in low vibes
or influence us with literalfrequencies, like blasting us
with wifi and all this stuff,your cell phone being right near

(29:29):
your nuts in your pocket orbeing right up to your head on
your brain.
That's an obvious, you know,manipulation of us.
But then, when it comes to themagic, to something I think that
a lot and I'm passionate aboutis the Celtic Druids, and they
were obviously had like a lot oflegends of magic and the
stories of what they were doingand it's all super mystical and

(29:53):
mysterious and there's thesuppression of their history.
I connected a lot to secretsocieties.
Basically, every time that theywould conquer like the ruling
class, would conquer like apeople or a nation or a tribe,
they would wipe out their youknow, like sacred knowledge, if
you will, to the public but thenincorporate it into their own

(30:14):
schools and try to convinceeveryone else like no, that's
not real, that was just no, thatwas just fake.
And then meanwhile they'retrying to use it against us and
like make us seem much lesspowerful.
To go back to that, likeHollywood itself I'm sure you
guys have come across the videoI think it was Jordan Maxwell or
something to explain howHollywood quite literally is

(30:34):
magic, because the Hollywoodtree was what the Druids used to
, you know, make wands out of todo their spells and their
incantations.
With their rituals and the ideaof broadcasting movies or shows
or stuff to people that they'recasting a broad spell across.
You know, everybody who'switnessing it and mind and

(30:57):
attention and intention isreally like the starting point
for everything.
If they could control whatyou're thinking or implant
things into your head or moviesor symbols, through, you know,
subliminal messages orfrequencies that we can't really
hear in the music, likeeveryone talks about, how the
music industry is like one ofthe focal points where people

(31:18):
are like, oh, the Illuminati,look, they're doing this, jay-z,
lady Gaga.
It seems funny and absurd andsilly when you're pointing out
like that, obviously, but itreally is.
Like who would be some of themain agents to brainwash people
other than you know?
These people that literallybecome idols that people quote,
unquote, worship and you know,are constantly hitting us with

(31:42):
subliminal messages in theirvideos and their songs.
It's just, it's so deep andthey clearly were clearly
dealing with high up position.
What I was trying to say is itdoesn't matter if you believe it
or you think it's real.
The people who are in controland influence us, they believe
it is very real and theiractions are gonna reflect their
belief in that yeah, and who andwho are they always using to to

(32:07):
influence the masses?

Mat Slap (32:09):
who are they always exploiting?
It's the artists, it's alwaysthe artists.
Because I was watching a series.
It's called magical Egypt andthey're they're coming out with
their fourth season and it'sabsolutely mind blowing.
If you want to know about Egyptand you want to know what,
where magic has come from andall that stuff, I suggest

(32:31):
anybody watch that, because theyhad this one magician on there
on season two and he it was likeat the end of one of the
episodes he says the artist isthe prophet in all cultures and
all everything.
Because they're the ones thatcan reach up from this, these
different realms, and pull stuffdown and show people through

(32:55):
their talent, through whatthey've honed, through them, and
to communicate these deeplyspiritual ideas just through
their own allegory.
And I mean look at, look ateverything.
I mean you look at anythingfrom sports to artists, to
musicians, to actors and movies.

(33:18):
And you know and movies aremovies and music are like some
of the highest forms of magic,because, especially if you go to
a live show, because it's all,it's all ceremonial magic,
they're, they're, they'recreating an atmosphere and
they're holding your attentionand all.
And then when you get a groupof people holding it and

(33:39):
attention, all of a sudden itwas just like you're having a
spiritual experience, becauseeverybody is is being moved
through this frequency and andpeople don't even like in that,
you know, anybody goes that goesto church, right, that's
ceremonial magic.
You know, I get into toconversations with Christians.

(34:01):
Well, when I hear Christians belike oh, you know, magic that's
that's all evil, and crystalsand all this stuff, and I'm like
whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm likelisten, that's just your form of
magic.
I'm like, and we all have ourdifferent forms of magic, right,
like people think that you haveto like stick within these

(34:22):
certain guidelines and thesecertain things, but like it's
what we do with our mind andwhat we, what we want to do with
this reality field, that whichwe can carve out.
And do you know, I think PabloPicasso, I think, said this he's
like learn all the rules so youcan break them like an artist.

(34:42):
And that, right there is themost powerful thing.
Because, you know, I look atall this magic stuff and I'm
learning.
I'm learning all thesedifferent systems of magic and
none of them, none of them, havelike caught me, but they've all
helped me develop my form ofmagic and what I'm doing with my

(35:04):
life, and it's all honedattention.
And what do you want to do?
Because it always comes down tolike what kind of world are we
going to create?
And are you going to help theupliftment of humanity, or are
you going to which would be amagician, or are you going to be

(35:25):
a sorcerer and hold thisknowledge for, to have an upper
hand on the rest of your, yourfellow men, and make them do?
And that's what we'rewitnessing now.
Is this power differential andpeople are coming privy to all
of this knowledge and people arestarting to understand that
there's more beyond religion.
There's more beyond to thisworld and and who we are, this

(35:49):
place is.
We're way older than whatpeople let like scientists say
that we are.
You know, it stops at like whatSamaritan, the Babylonian,
samaritan stuff.
I think it goes way fartherthan that and I think all these
religions are all the same story, just regurgitated, and some
some other culture.

(36:09):
I try not to bash anybody'sreligion, but I try to tell them
to go deeper into the esoteric,deeper meanings of it, because
there's so much more to us thanjust being like Well, I just
live by this one book and Ithink that this is the way to go
.
So well, that's fine, butcontinue to keep learning,
because if you think you've gotit all you're going to, you've

(36:31):
been duped, because there therecan be one thing that you're
into, that you master, but thenthere's all these other realms
and worlds that people make upand do that you have no idea
about.
But like, what is your purpose?
What are you drawn to?

Do you think we live in a simulation?

Mat Slap (36:51):
I think we live I wouldn't say so much of a
simulation, but I think thatconsciousness is been enslaved
because you could just thinkabout like hey, we live here and
we're creating our world, right, and we were doing all this
stuff.
But we're creating the world inwhich we want to do and all

(37:13):
this stuff and I've come acrossdifferent things, you know, with
, like the moon being.
It's keeping us here so theycan be fed off of.
I honestly think we live in abig farm Like.
I think we're being fed off ofbecause we all feed off of other
beings, so why wouldn't otherbeings being fed off of us?

(37:35):
You know, like David Ike is aprime example of being like oh
yeah, we got reptilians on justjust outside of our frequency
zone, just feeding off of ourloosh, you know, and all the
religions and all the differentteachings talk about these
deities, whether they'rereptilian or whatever, chimeras

(37:56):
or.
I've seen enough weird shit inmy life to be like yeah, I can
see that, you know.

I love how it seems to all come back to ideas when
you were talking about it alittle earlier got me thinking.
I used to study philosophy alot and Plato has something
that's called a divided line andessentially what that is is he
broke the line down into what isthe most real to him or to
people, and it essentially goesfrom the least.

(38:25):
Real is like images, then itgoes to like your beliefs and
then ultimately, ideas are thehighest form of intelligence and
that leads you to truth andclarity.
So I just thought that was sointeresting because, you know,
plato obviously is one of thegreatest minds to ever live and
he came to that same conclusionthat it's all about ideas.

(38:46):
And I love, I love how you youalmost got like a quasi quasi
determinism point of view whenit comes to just like, just just
get it done.
I agree with a lot of that dude.
Very cool stuff.

Mat Slap (38:58):
You know, it's not just all this wishful, like
people wish a lot and think thatthings are just going to happen
for them, but like it takesaction Right and what?
What's going on?
Society?
You got TikTok, social media,all this stuff.
You got all these distractionsand it's just making people
short minded and and havingshort memory spans and they're

(39:20):
not doing anything becausethey're just waiting for the
next video, they're scrolling,they're just.
You know, why don't you take alook up sometime and look at the
sky?
Why don't you go deeper in somethings?
But that you know.
You got these black screenseverywhere and I remember

(39:41):
reading about john D themagician and his most prized
possession was a flat, polishedobsidian stone, which is?
Which is a black screen.
It's in everybody's pockets.
You know what is being.
We got sorcery everywhere.

(40:02):
It's, it's.
People will go on.
I read this and I saw this andI got all this from, from these
screens, and I always come backto well, who do you, who do you
think makes these screens?
Because the same people thatmake the technology.
They own the media, they ownall the information that you're

(40:22):
getting on this stuff.
They're starting to crack downon stuff and if you don't take
in multiple, vast variety ofeclectic view of different
sources of information.
You're never going to come tothe truth because you got, you
got all these little nuggetswrapped in poison everywhere,

(40:44):
but you got to have an open mind.
And Jordan Maxwell said themost he was saying you know,
your mind is like a parachute,it's like a work unless it's
open, and I love that line, Iuse it all the time.
I quote, I quote Jordan Maxwellall the time.
When I went into art school,like my first, my first week

(41:04):
there, I got put in my placebecause I thought I knew I
didn't want to be questioned andI didn't want to understand a
lot of things because I just, Ijust got things.
I didn't.
I didn't understand the why.
And what I've come to learn isthat the why is where the power
lies.
Because if you, if you can dosomething but not know why you,

(41:29):
you don't have the power and youcan't have any understanding.
Your it's just your foundationis shit.
But if you can know why thisall works and you know how you
work, then you're going to startfinding yourself closer to that
truth and the understanding ofthese unseen realms and the

(41:50):
things that like oh, this isjust a coincidence and it's like
, well, no, that's just a lawthat's going unnoticed.

And then you go back to the technology that you
brought up.
Mike and I were just talkingthe other day I honestly can't
remember if it was on an episodethat hasn't come out yet or we
were just, you know bullshitwith each other about how the
Apple logo is, the the bittenApple from basically represented
the Garden of Eden and theforbidden knowledge from the
serpent.
And so many, especiallyespecially techno tech

(42:21):
corporations, their symbols,their logos, are occult symbols
for sure.
And then the logos are back toSaturn, like they're either a
hexagon or they're a circle withlike a ring going through it.
People say the Nike logo isrepresenting like Saturn's ring
kind of going around.
Like you look or you can Googlethat a lot of corporate logos

(42:41):
are just occult and somethingthat creeps me out that I like
to bring up a lot of them mostpeople think it's it's a big
stretch is if you look at likecircuit boards or microchips and
stuff like that they look like.
If you look at like an occultbook, like Solomon seal or like
the book where Solomon had allthese you know symbols to summon

(43:03):
demons, and like you look inhere grim bars of ancient magic
and every deity or demon haslike a crazy little sigil symbol
to associate with that being orthat deity, and it's just like
a bunch of circles and lines andit looks awfully similar to how
like a microchip or somethingwould look and I don't think
that's any coincidence like wehave the little scrying mirror

(43:25):
in our pocket, the phone with AIand internet and the ability to
just like get any informationat hand.
It's like a genie's bottle orsomething like that.
And when you look at cities tocities look like they kind of
look like a circuit board orlike if you get like the aerial
view of all the building poppingout, it looks like a chip that

(43:46):
could be like harnessing ourenergy or something.
It's just, it's crazy man.

Mat Slap (43:50):
Well, yeah, and you look at, you look at all of this
, right, and I'm coming back towhat I was talking about how we
create the reality field that welive in.
And there's a reason why youknow you look at all these
phones and there's a reasonthey're collecting your data and
there's a reason that they'retrying to sell you on stuff and

(44:10):
they're just feeding you stuffthat you like because a they
want, they want to make moneyoff you and enslave you, and
then they want they also want usto generate the world that they
want.
It's not the world that we want.
It's the world that they wantbecause they've kept people so
divided from themselves withwith all these SSRI drugs and

(44:35):
keeping people sedated and deadend and made into these harsh
like shells, soulless bodies,and because they don't want to
deal with their shit, becausethey don't want to look at their
shadow, they don't want to lookat the bad things that they did
.
But, like, what people don'tunderstand is you don't have the

(44:57):
right to look at something, apart of you, and deny it,
because then you're really goingto suffer, because you're like
I can't accept myself, I can'taccept those things and I don't
want to do that and and thatreally sucks, because then
they're just searching and, likeyou know, they become addicts

(45:19):
in one way or the other, or theyare just into these, these
drones, and people are beingspoon fed what they want to be
going on.
You look at all these thinktank organizations and it's like
look at the Fabian society,right?
The Fabian society is this likebig left leaning think tank

(45:45):
organization and their logo is awolf and sheep's clothing and
they talk up and they stated ontheir website that, listen, we
do things gradually over time,because if you can do it
gradually over time, it's likeyou fucked up by two or three
generations and they think that,well, this is just the way the

(46:06):
world is.
And now we're living in thisshitty hell and people don't
understand where and why thatthey're so depressed and they
can't feel and they're sodetached from nature or the
reality in which we live in.
You know and I don't mean justlike nature with the trees, I'm
talking about the reality inwhich we live in and your

(46:29):
perception isn't reality.
There is an objective realityto this place and that's where
people are being really heldback.
It all comes down to being amoral person and making right
choices and being correct, notbeing wrong like not taking
wrong action and be.

(46:49):
You know, all the religionstalk about it.
You know, and that's what Jesuswas saying and his thing like
you can be like me if you walkin my footsteps and say you need
to worship me and you need tothink that I am God.
It's like all these things and,in simplistic terms, it just
comes down to being a goodperson and not holding yourself

(47:13):
back by wrong choices andaccepting truth.
You know, because you got a lotof, you got a lot of movements
out here where people are like,well, my truth, my truth, well,
I don't believe that.
Well, just because you don'tbelieve doesn't make it true.
You know, like less true, likethat's where you're going to
suffer.

(47:33):
And you look at all these peoplethat are just triggered, just
triggered on stuff, and I wantto be this and I want reality to
be that way.
I'm like, well, is it that way?
Are you in line with it?
Are you?
Have you?
Have you discovered truth andhave you aligned perception to
it, or are you going to keepgoing against all these other

(47:54):
things and you're just going tokeep?
You know, just being broke down,that's what these people want.
They want to break people downto the most incremental little
piece and then they want tobreak that down even more.
You know, like you look at allthese SRA the ritual satanic
abuse people you know that's thewhole MK ultra, the trauma

(48:15):
based mind control.
It's all about scarringpeople's brains and then
compartmentalizing a part ofyourself, a part of your
consciousness, and then beingable to trigger it.
Right, it's like hypnotism.
You know, it's like that movie.
Get out that.
That movie was like 100%.
I just watched it the othernight with my girlfriend and I'm

(48:40):
like, holy shit, they're justtelling you all about the occult
right here and that shithappens.

When it comes to COVID too, I think the whole
Psyop thing, it literallychanged some people forever.
Like it changed the way thatthey function, the way they see
the world.
It's like like we were sayingthere, they incrementally try to
do these things, but over thepast couple of years they really
ramp it up and try to.
You know, they almostoverstepped it, because it did

(49:08):
cause a lot of people to wake up, and I think that it caused a
lot of people to do the opposite, though I don't know if it was.
Maybe what was in the shots arejust they're afraid to face the
reality.
The darker it gets, the furtherthey bury their head in the
sand because they have toconfront all these so called
conspiracies that they, you know, ignored for so long, and even
the most clearingly obvious,like you know, alarming or

(49:33):
suspicious things surroundingthe whole pandemic, or just like
there is a doughnut up andeverything else that came as a
result of it, and I think thatsome people went further away
from waking up, but it's not alldoing the way we like to talk
to that.
We think that, like, obviouslyit woke a lot of people up and
right now there's probably morepeople than ever that are open

(49:54):
to these types of things and youknow, recognizing it, it's
pretty fun to speculate.
Now I'll ask, over you too, whatdo you think is going to be
their, their next big boy andplan to, you know, cause
hysteria or implement their nextchaotic side-off or false flag

(50:14):
type of event?
I think that we're definitelygonna get some aliens, some
bluebeam, some fake disclosuretype of stuff.
I was ready for that last yeararound this time, when they were
so-called shooting down UFOsand blasting that in there.
If I was, I was so excited Iwas like, oh no, this is the day
, like we real conspiracytheorists that have put the
script and nothing that you knowUFOs are gonna be the, the next

(50:37):
you know fake scythe to try andget the public to believe in
that.
But I'll ask you first, mike,and then you Matt, what do you
think is gonna be the very nextclay in the?
I guess we're like a betterterm elites playbook.

I think it depends on how this year's presidential
campaign race plays out.
I really do.
I think it could either beanother.
You know we're seeing thisdisease X.
You know that's kind of like anencompassing term they're using
for the next big.
So I think it could be that.
But what I really lean towardsis some kind of there's gonna be

(51:17):
some kind of invasion.
They've let so many militaryaged men through the borders
these last few months thatthey've essentially conquered
our country without raising afinger and I think we're gonna
start to see that play out sadly.

Mat Slap (51:37):
I would.
I would agree with you on allon that, completely.
You know, I think you know thiswhole disclosure community is
they want it's like a bigdistraction, right, like they're
doing.
They're telling you whatthey're doing while having an
it's like a double-speak, right,like, oh there, there's gonna

(51:58):
be these aliens coming in.
Well, there are aliens herecoming in over the border, like,
and they're just waiting.
They're just sleeper cells,they're just.
They're just what.
We're gonna see some crazy chaoswith people like cuz, you know,
you people think that they sawsome chaos with the riots in
2020 and all that stuff.

(52:18):
They haven't seen shit yet.
Like, and people are gonna go,oh my gosh, and then, and then
they're gonna really scare theshit out of people because, like
, look at this, they're you gomy bullshit meter has been going
off like crazy the last coupleyears of all the different
psyops between aliens and all ofthis stuff.
But, like, I'm like blown awaywith that.

(52:38):
People aren't outraged of whathappened.
Everybody was do like it justwent back to normal.
It just like this killerhappened and then it just went
back to normal.
But meanwhile they're they'vebeen bringing people in here,

(52:59):
trafficking people left andright, trafficking people into
the country and it's all gonnabe to stir up chaos, and it's
all chaos magic, right, like,look at, they're just they're
pulling people's attention everywhich way then to themselves,

(53:19):
and it's that's the.
The scary part of it is, if youknew yourself, if you got to
know who you are and how, howyou work, how your mind works,
how to focus, then you'relifting that veil and then
you're able to see this shit,because now you're raising your
frequency to that truth.

(53:40):
Right, I can see him pullingsome shit, because they can
literally make our whole sky ahologram.
It all the patents are outthere, all the sky seating that
they'd be doing, all the heavymetals that are in our sky.
They're trying to block out theSun.
I mean, it's straight out ofthe matrix.
That's what they did in thematrix.
They blotted out the Sun, theyblotted out the sky with with a

(54:04):
black sky.

I can probably speak for all of us and many
people listen we kind of have,you know, the anti-authoritarian
and revolutionary rebel spiritthat, like a revolution would be
needed.
But it's like I feel likeduring, you know, 2020 and
everything that was happeningwhether it was, you know, like
the racially motivated riots andlockdowns, everything else that
was going on it was like theywere.

(54:27):
They were intentionally tryingto provoke people to revolt and
thinking that we'd be, you know,so outraged by everything that
was going on and then infringingon our rights that we would
step up and revolt.
And they're just like, come on,when are they gonna do it?
Are they gonna, like, be pissedat us stepping on their rights?
Or, come on, just you know,it's like they want it to happen
, but on their terms, so thatthey can control it, that they

(54:49):
have to hold off and then, youknow, declare martial law and
come to come and clean up theproblem, like problem reaction,
solution, and they were probablysurprised to that.
People didn't bite on it andthey're just letting everything
happen.
But I don't know if you guyshave seen Ireland and I was just
over there and shit popped offlike a week after I left in

(55:11):
Dublin, like in the places thatI was staying to that they were
clashing with police and theywere fighting over immigration
stuff because Ireland's beengetting flooded like it's a very
small country that you know it.
So if you bring I don't know,let's say, a couple hundred
thousand people in, that wouldbe like bringing multiple
millions into America.
And again it's fighting Asianmales from like third-world
countries or countries where youknow like rape, murder, shit

(55:34):
like that is a lot more commonand then they're just bringing.
They're not bringing families,like women and children and
refugees to escape this.
They're bringing in like males,like already they know we're
gonna come cause chaos.
And then when the Irish peopleare trying to point that out or
push back against it, theypassed laws just recently about
hate speech or, you know,offensive speech, to where you

(55:55):
can go to jail in Ireland.
Now I don't know if it's fullypassed, but they're trying to.
You can go to jail for havingmemes on your phone or posting
something or even just sharingsomething like between you and
your wife or your friends.
Like you don't give them accessto your phone or your social
media password.
Say it like the airport or ifyou get stopped or something,
that they have something andthere's not, even, like a you

(56:16):
know, a set jurisdiction on whatis acceptable and what's not.
It's anything they declareoffensive or hate speech can get
you thrown in jail, and that'sjust a curtail.
Anyone who's trying to pushback against what's happening.
They could just literally labelanything like oh you don't.
You don't believe that we shouldbe teaching children to cut the

(56:36):
dicks off hate speech 12 monthsago.
Oh you don't think it's goodthat a little girl got stabbed
by a migrant who was living onwelfare.
You fucking big it jail likethat.
Shit is ridiculous.

Mat Slap (56:48):
Team Mulk just passed something in their terms and
conditions about if you can getfined if you post something on
your social media.
You send a text that they don'tlike, they they'll find you.
You'll be billed for it.
Wow, yeah, it's wild like we'reliving yeah, yeah, look at us I

(57:09):
saw that I was like holy shitand I got team Mulk Dude that's
so crazy.

Listen to this Right now, man, you're gonna
rack up a bill.

Mat Slap (57:18):
Yeah, oh yeah, I know just it being by me.
Right next to me it's rackingup a bill between myself and my
girlfriend.
It's ridiculous.

I know I'm not crazy, so we know that they
target fucking.
You know ads like you'll betalking about something with
someone or whatever, and thenyou get those ads later when you
haven't even searched it andtalked about it, I swear dude,
even just thinking aboutsomething, and then it shows up.

Mat Slap (57:45):
Yep, 100%.
It happened to me and it's it'sreading your mind, it's reading
your eyes, it's reading yourconsciousness, and that's what
I'm saying.
Is like not all your thoughtsare yours and people can't
distinguish between what istheir, what is their thought,
and you, you can be come theobserver of your thoughts while

(58:10):
they're happening, as crazy asthat sounds.
I do it all the time where I'mlike why am I having all these
thoughts?
And then I find myself likejust mulling shit over or just,
you know, constantly being stuckin some kind of funky vibe, and
then I'm like, why am I?
Why am I?
I don't like this, I don't, it'snot my thought, I don't want it

(58:32):
, and you try to change yourmind.
But then you like, observe itand you're like, oh wait.
And then you observe yoursurrounding and you're like it's
that person or it's what areyou looking at?
You know, are you around 5Gtowers, are you?
You know, and I got crazystories about I, I've got a
crazy story aboutinterdimensional shit with 5G

(58:55):
and I I feel like I felt theforce of what powers it grew,
the 5G tower, and it was like itfelt like cosmic, love, crafty
and shit, shit you may have toelaborate on that.
Alright, so I went to my, my, mydrummer.

(59:17):
I've been in a band on and offthroughout, just through my
whole, my whole life.

I'm just a guitarist Time plays the skin
flute.

Mat Slap (59:32):
Oh, we've all mastered that.
So he had a practice spot wasin Park Ridge and the back there
was a 5G tower, like literallyright behind the building that
we're in, and I go there and Iwas.
I was with my one buddy, coop,and we were we get there before

(59:57):
he got to the spot and we werekind of jamming and I'm like,
hey, man, I've got, I've gotsome of these this concentrated
mushrooms like psilocybin.
I'm like you want to take some,like we.
Let's just not take a lot,let's just take a little bit.
And he's like, okay, so we takesome.
And it's weird, like psilocybinfor me is like one of the.

(01:00:18):
I never take a crazy amount, Ialways take just a little bit.
But my buddy he's, he's likesix, three.
He's a big guy.
I gave him the same amount thatI took and I was just like
having a body buzz and feelinggood and my buddy starts
tripping out and then my, mydrummer comes in and he he was

(01:00:40):
in like a funky mood, he hadlike some low vibrational energy
and he came in.
He was pissed off aboutsomething and my buddy had he's
like I'm gonna go outside andsmoke.
I can't.
I can't even play my guitarright now.
I'm like, alright, so I'mplaying with my, my drummer, and
all of a sudden I feel like theatmosphere in the whole room

(01:01:01):
change.
I felt something come in and Ifelt like it came.
Whatever came in came inthrough that tower, honed in
through my, my buddy's lowvibrational energy, and then I
felt this thing like wrap aroundlike my essence, like your,
your light body, right like Ifeel it like coil around like a

(01:01:24):
snake and it like stopped rightin my ear and it wanted me to
invite it in.
And I'm like, whoa, what theheck is this?
And we get done playing.
I'm like I need to go to thebathroom, go to the bathroom.
And I'm like man, I just hadthis urge that I had to get out
of there.
And I'm like man, I gotta, Igotta get out of here.

(01:01:46):
But am I too messed up?
And then this, my, my internalvoice was like yeah, dude,
you're too messed up, you needto stay here.
But as that was being said, Iobserved it and I'm like that's
not my voice, that's not me.
And I caught it.
And as it was saying, yeah,you're too messed up, I started
getting visuals of like thingsstarting to get wavy and like

(01:02:08):
almost like tripping out my ohno, I'm like wait a minute, this
isn't me and you're fuckingwith me.
Whatever you are, you'refucking with me.
I caught it, and then,immediately, my vision went back
straight and then I like gotout of the bathroom and I went,
I be lined it outside to mybuddy and I started telling him
what I felt.
He's like that same thinghappened to me and I'm ready to

(01:02:30):
get the fuck out of here.
When you are, I'm like allright, let's go now.
And then, once we decided thatwe were gonna leave, it felt
like the urgency to get out ofthere was like like an atomic
bomb was gonna go off and youneed to get out as fast as you
can.
Like get in your car andfucking book it out of the city
before this thing blows.
That's that's how it felt, andthe further as soon as I got to

(01:02:54):
90 and the further away I got,it felt like like a sticky, icky
energy or like, oh, you shookit off and you felt like you
were violated.
It was like a demonic feeling,like when, anytime you hear
anybody talk about beingdisaster violated spiritually is
what that was.
But it was weird though,because I'm on my drive home,

(01:03:19):
like we get back to my buddy'shouse and he and his his chick
was there and she was talkingabout stuff and she was trying
to tell me what I was like.
Oh, it was this.
I'm like, no, I want you toshut up and I need you to listen
to me, because when this thingwrapped around me and I found
out what it was, it was like youneed to get the fuck out of

(01:03:39):
there, because it is way morepowerful than you and whatever
energy that you had at that timeto hold it off was gone.
You had to go because somethingwas gonna happen.
I'm like, and what I got fromthis thing was it felt like it
was the force that was behind AI, like this cosmic, cosmic

(01:04:02):
entity that has been here for avery long time it always has
been and I feel like it crackedthrough our reality field and I
was like, holy shit, and they'reputting these fucking towers
everywhere, you know, becauseyou start, you start traveling,
and you're like holy shit, likethey're fucking everywhere and

(01:04:26):
they're cell towers, right, likewe all grew up with cell phones
, we all grew up watching thesetowers we put up, but they
weren't anything to what theyare now, since they, since they
passed 5g, these things.
Not only does the technologylook alien and out of this world
, but no one seems to be fuckingquestioning it Like the very

(01:04:48):
small.
There's a small group of peoplethat are like, hey, this shit
ain't fucking right and I feltthat force that they're
channeling through those thingsand it made total sense of, like
Lovecraftian dimensional beings.
Like you have these ideas ofdemons and stuff, but like this

(01:05:11):
was like a totally differentlevel of sci fi, like a totally
different level of evil of, likeyou know, Star Trek and the
Borg that wants you to mergewith the machine, but like that
force that powers.
That is what I felt and I neverfelt anything like that, ever.
That is nuts.

Tom Higgins (01:05:32):
So I've got a two question on that.
Do you have a new jam spot as aresult of that, and did you get
like a visual in your head ofwhat you thought that this might
have looked like?

Mat Slap (01:05:44):
I didn't, I didn't get a visual of it.
I I got the sense of like snake, like snake, like, because it
coiled around me like a serpent.
But it wasn't like a snake, itwas like this weird, this weird
energy and it, like this force,wants you to welcome it in like

(01:06:06):
a vampire.
It wants you, it doesn't wantto have anything to do with you.
If you don't want, if you don'tconsent to it, right.
And then you look at, like, howthe power structure of this
world is.
It takes our consent Because,like, that is like the lost
sacred word is no, because ifyou don't fucking want it, you

(01:06:27):
can have that sacred power andbe like fuck, no, that warrior,
that, that, that being of being,like, yeah, you want to do that
.
Well, guess what?
We're gonna fucking, we'regonna go and it's not gonna be
pretty, you know.
So this thing, it was the forceof ultimate evil and nothing

(01:06:49):
like my perception of what evilwas at this.
From from that point, from thatpoint before, before that point
, I should say, was totallydifferent from like.
You know, you have these ideasof horror movies and you know
demonic rituals, all this darkmagic and all that stuff.
This, this thing, was like thisis like new technocratic like

(01:07:11):
Atlantean.
Like this is like back backengineered Atlantean technology
that John D was trying to summonentities to get the knowledge
to what we have now.

Yeah, how much we're on to something with
technology.
Because they thought it wasevil and even all down to simple
electricity.
It's like they knew that thiswas coming.

Mat Slap (01:07:33):
Well, yeah, and we're conductors, right?
So, like, what people realizeis like this body is the true
technology and just the gift ofhaving sound and being able to
speak things into the ether andspeak things into existence like
there were.
We're way more powerful thananybody can absolutely fathom

(01:07:56):
and the things that we're allcapable of doing.
And then you look at all thesedifferent shamanic, you know
people dancing with thesecertain vibrations and drum
beats and breathing and doingall this stuff.
Like that can heart.
You can project yourconsciousness into another realm
, into another thing.
We all have that power to dothat kind of shit.

(01:08:19):
And these people at the top,these dark sorcerers this is a
dark priest class at the top.
That is just like they ownpeople's minds.
They just own them and it's,they're hijacking it, right,
because they're hijacking ourreality field, because they're
making us create the world thatthey want through this

(01:08:41):
technology.
And people aren't even thinkinganything of it Because of how
these things operate with theunseen world, and people aren't
even like questioning that.
They're like, oh yeah, it'sjust, it's just so.
If you can think that we can dothis with energy, we can do it

(01:09:03):
with our consciousness 100%.

I really think that over time, the technology is
going to backfire on them,though I don't think they know.
When it comes to AI and allthis shit, they're trying to use
it as a tool for them tofurther their agenda.
But let's be real.
If they're dealing with demonstoo, and like ancient entities
and intelligences, they'redealing with something a lot

(01:09:29):
smarter and a lot moremanipulative than them, so
they're getting playedthemselves.

Mat Slap (01:09:34):
I agree with you on the what did you say in the
other interview?
That you were talking about thedeluge?
You know, like you know, thisplace, this planet, like
creation, only lets us, like ushumans, like, at a certain point

(01:09:54):
, we have to evolveconsciousness, right, because
that's what all these, you know,the Freemasons and all this
stuff.
It's all about being the bestperson possible and leveling up.
And as we evolve spiritually,so does we bring the matter with
us.
So we're making the matterevolve with our consciousness,

(01:10:15):
and I think that what this placeand what creation has in mind
is well, you only have a certaintime to do things, and this
place gives you, you know,everything that you want, and it
were either in harmony with itor not, and it only lets us be
in disharmony for so long, andthen it wants to eradicate

(01:10:36):
whatever it is.
So it's like, and I believethat these, these Satanists,
these Luciferians and these areall just like new terms for it.
It's called the old religion.
They didn't even call itanything.
They don't even.
They don't even have a name forit.
They just rebrand it and giveit out for these, these
ideologies, for these people toto do, and so they can get

(01:10:58):
people to do their work for themand inject these ideas into the
subconscious mind of the humanpopulace for them to create the
world, because they need us tocreate it.
They need to whisper thesethings into our ears for us to
create this world in which theythey see fit, because they think
that they're God.
They don't like that God orcreation has these laws of

(01:11:25):
nature in order and they can'tbreak them.
They can't do whatever theywant.
So I feel like they.
They steer humanity into adestruction because inevitably,
this place is going to reclaimitself and it's going to start
over until consciousness canhave another go.
Because the time, you know,creation with time ain't shit.

(01:11:46):
They're like, all right, cool,we'll just wipe it out and do it
again.
But then you know these people,these dark priest class, they
hold all the knowledge and thenthey were like, okay, the cool
deluge was coming and guess whatwe're going to be?
We're going to take all thisknowledge and we're going to
hold it and we're, when wereemerge from something we're
going to, we're going to do itagain and we're going to tap

(01:12:09):
into these different things.
You know, you said somethingabout the Nephilim, about when
they die.
Those are the demons, those arethe grimoires, right, these
seals, you know, like theSolomon seals and the whole 72
demons of the Goetia, which isthere's way, way more but like

(01:12:33):
there's theories that that's theNephilim, those demons that
died, they're stuck here andthey want.
They want to be informed againso they can possess people.
And you said something you askedin one of your things about do
you think that drugs do theyhave an influence on, on people

(01:12:56):
of possession?
And I 100% know that, justbeing around my friends like I
had one of my friends recently,within the last couple of years,
get really into cocaine andthen he went down to smoke and
crack, got his wife involvedwith it, and then I started

(01:13:18):
coming around and seeing allthese pictures that there's
their, their son was drawing,and they were all this like
really dark shit, like darkstuff.
And I'm like looking at all thestuff and I kept sending
pictures to my buddy and I'mlike, hey, man, you should ask
your son about these becausethis is fucked up.

(01:13:39):
He's too young, like, do youlet him watch horror movies and
stuff?
He's like, no, I don't knowwhere he's getting that.
And like, so he was, like, youknow, brushing it off.
And then all of a sudden he haslike a wake up moment where
he's like, dude, you need tocome over here because this shit
is everywhere.
And I get over there andthere's, there's these dark

(01:14:00):
things everywhere.
Because he like what he did,was he?
He set his son up on his iPadso I can, so that me and him can
talk, so his son would besending me pictures, and I'm
like, oh, cool.
And then all of a sudden I'mlike at first I was like, oh, he
likes Uncle Matt's drawings,because I draw a lot of monsters

(01:14:23):
and he likes that.
I'm like, okay, cool, but hewas starting to draw like
monsters eating babies andmonsters ripping legs off and
all this stuff.
And I was like, dude, where isthis coming from, you know?
And then when my buddy tells meto come over, check out our
stuff and go into the basement,and next thing, you know,
there's like mini altar setupand it and it, whatever was it

(01:14:46):
was coming through, his son wasusing his son and they're like
little talismans all over thehouse for this thing to take
form, for this thing, and allthis paranormal shit started
happening in his house and onething leads to another.
Then I find out that like I'mlike, hey, let me ask you

(01:15:08):
something.
I'm like, are you using and howmuch are you using?
And I'm like, dude, I don'tcare if you are using, like I'm
not going to judge you for using, but you need to be honest with
me because this has to do withwhat's going on.
Just just from what I read inthe occult, just with what's

(01:15:30):
going on.
You know, it's all about yourstate of mind and when you avoid
something, you create a voidwithin yourself for these things
to come in and act through.
You Turns out he was.
He was smoking a lot of crack atthe house.
His wife gets involved andthey're both doing it and she
gets totally possessed.
I didn't, I couldn't see her inthe eyes.

(01:15:55):
I was like you are not in adriver's seat, you are not there
.
And I did that for a betterhalf than a year and a half with
him.
And then his buddies that hewas using, like they get
involved with some kind of witchdoctor from Ethiopia.
That starts.
He's like, yeah, I paid thisguy because I want, I want this,

(01:16:18):
this paranormal stuff, to act.
I'm like wait a minute, wait aminute.
What, what, what's going on,he's like we got this witch
doctor.
I'm like, well, who didn't?
They're like our, our onegirlfriend, so-and-so she got
involved and her, her master,got her this witch doctor.
And then I find out that thisdoc, this witch doctor,

(01:16:40):
sacrificed some dogs for certainthings.
And I'm like, well, okay,listen, dude, I need you to
listen to me because if, if you,they're sacrificing, and
they're using blood.
That's black magic.
You're fucking with shit thatyou shouldn't be.
I'm like did you get consent tothis?
He was like no.
I'm like, okay, yeah, that'sblack magic and this shit's.

(01:17:02):
And he's like, yeah, she gotcrazy in my house ever since
they've done it.
I'm like, well, yeah, dude.
So then one thing leads toanother, crazy shit still
happens.
And it got, and it got to thepoint where I told him, like
dude, I'm only going to be ableto help you so much.
And I'm telling him like yougot to stop, you got to stop
smoking, you got to stop doingthis, you got to, like, clean up
your mind and you got to dealwith that shit within yourself.

(01:17:25):
Man, because, like, he's highlypsychic and these things were
using it against him and thesethings were like I mean, I'm
talking about ghost shit, I'mtalking about alien shit, I'm
talking about spaceships comingaround.
Like I saw the footage.
I was in his house when shitstarted going crazy and I go
listen, this isn't justhappening to you, you are

(01:17:48):
creating this.
This is happening because ofyou.
I'm like it's not, it's notanything else, it is happening
because of you.
And he would go back and forthwith me.
He's like, oh, I think it's.
It's not the crack, it's notthis.
I'm like, dude, you know whatyou sound like right now, sound
like an addict.
And he's like, well, I'm goingto have to disagree.
I'm like you can disagree withme all you want, man, but like

(01:18:12):
she got, she got real.
And then his, his wife, endedup getting herself out of the
situation, got the kids out ofthe house.
She's all good.
I don't know how he's doingright now, but yeah, that shit's
100% real and I got to witnessit firsthand.
And the whole time that that wasgoing on, like I ended up
getting involved with anotherdude that was a practicing

(01:18:33):
magenta ceremonial magician andthe whole.
The whole theme of the lastlike four to five years for me
was there's something that youneed to see.
That voice kept coming.
There's something you need tosee and calm down.
And there's something you needto see and I, all the stuff that
I was learning and resonatingwith all started coming to me

(01:18:55):
because I needed to seefirsthand and have firsthand
experience of what like hey,what kind of, what kind of magic
do you want to fuck with?
Because when you start fuckingwith like invocation and
incantation and summoning things, you don't want to fuck with
that shit, because that shit'sreal and it can fuck your world

(01:19:15):
up and I witnessed it, I watchedit and it's nuts.
I wouldn't wish that uponanybody and that that's a big, a
big focus of what I do with,with my, with my company, is,
since all this shit hit the fanis I want to help people come
back to themselves.
I want people to go inward andbe able to master their thoughts

(01:19:38):
and most emotions and actionsand become one again and really
heal themselves.
And you know, I want to plantseeds.
I don't want to tell peoplelike, hey, this is what it is.
And I don't want to tell,because if people don't want to
hear it, you know people don'twant to listen to people that
are telling them.
You just want to, you want toplant seeds so people can be

(01:20:00):
like, oh shit, I never thoughtabout it that way.
Oh shit.
You know I listen to people allthe time when they look at my
art and they blow my mindbecause they make me think about
shit that I didn't think aboutin my artwork and I'm like, holy
crap, that's awesome, you justtaught me something.
Those are my stories ofparanormal and crazy shit, and I

(01:20:22):
think the world's in for a bigsurprise, I think you're doing a
great job with that too, man.

To kind of sum up everything we're talking about,
it's almost like the cliche ofyou got the little demon on one
shoulder, you got the littleangel on one shoulder.
You have to discern which oneyou're going to be listening to
and which one you're going tofollow, and you definitely
dropped probably two of thecraziest intense stories that
we've had so far on this podcast, and I think that's a good time

(01:20:51):
to realize that want to keepyou too long.
You know.
I know we could do this allnight.
This was a great episode.
We'll definitely do it againevery time you and I talk at the
conversation.
So anything you want to kind ofplug here, your your site store
where people can get yourshirts or merch or anything.

Mike Straus (01:21:10):
Your Instagram is fricking awesome.
Dude love it.

Mat Slap (01:21:13):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate that.
I have a website that's underconstruction right now, but it's
kind of a landing page.
So if you just go to slap basscreationscom, I'll send you a
link to my Instagram.
My Instagram's at Matt slap.
I got a Facebook.
Just type in slap as creationsor just go to the landing page

(01:21:33):
and I'll bring it to toeverything.

Thank you so much for doing this, brother.

And we're back.

All right, so that was Mr Matt.
Slap your mom in the face.
That was good dude, he got deep.

Yeah, two of the craziest stories dropped on this
podcast yet, and that's sayinga lot considering the guests
that we've had in the topicswe've talked about.
Definitely going to have themback.
Let us know what you thinkabout the episode.
Let us know if you'd like tohave Matt back.
I know we do want him back, sowe're going to have him back
regardless.
But give us your thoughts, asalways like, subscribe, share.

(01:22:12):
Give us that five stars.

Yes, following all the social media platforms,
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good stuff either conspiracy andchill or two truth seekers,
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Also, patreon we're gettingthat up and rolling too.
So, yeah, big things coming.
We've got a bunch of recordedepisodes ready to come out and

(01:22:35):
future ones coming up.
So things are, things arelooking good.
We thank all the listeners.
We see all you guys out there,all the different countries.
We appreciate every last one ofyou guys.

Stay away from the damn 5G towers.

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