19 | David Keohan "Indiana Stones" | Irish Stone Lifting, Giants , and Earth Energy | "It's Not a Stone Its a Story" - Conspiracy and Chill Podcast

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And we've got another Irishbadass on the show today, david

(01:28):
Kioen.
A stone lifting researcher, astrongman, a kettlebell world
champion, a finder of Irishstones and strength Definitely a
unique journey, one that I canrelate to, with trying to revive
the Irish collar and elbowwrestling.
That's fantastic.
I have a love for that too.

(01:51):
I'm nowhere near as strong orbrutal as you when it comes to
the stones, but I have a thingfor lifting stones as well, and
I always felt like this seemslike a Irish or a Celtic thing
and the Scottish tradition ofthat kind of stayed alive and,
as your work kind of shows, itkind of fell off with Ireland.
Why don't you get into a littlebit of how you got started and

(02:14):
the stone lifting and trying toreally revive it on the cultural
side of things, because you'renot just out there picking up
rocks, you're doing a lot coolerand a storied thing than that.

Yeah , it's been quite a journey,
lads.
It started off so innocent.
It started off like I watchedthose stone land documentaries,
the one they made.
Rogue Fitness made threedocumentaries.
I don't know if you watch them.
Did you watch those the stonesand ones?
If you didn't, they'refantastic.
They made one in Scotland calledStone Land, they made one in
Iceland called Full Sturker andthey made one in the Basque
region in Spain called theLevante Doris and it's all about

(02:46):
the culture of stone lifting inthese countries.
So it wasn't about the actualphysicality of lifting, it was
about the culture and thehistory around stone lifting.
You know these are rights ofpassage.
They were.
You know there were trials ofstrength.
They were almost like jobinterviews getting onto like
fishing boats or becoming a farmhand or becoming, you know,

(03:08):
like a stone mason.
You had to be able to lift acertain stone to get onto a boat
or to lift, you know, to get acertain amount of money or share
of the catch.
You had to be able to lift,like they called the Full
Sturker stone in Iceland.
So I just thought all thesestories behind them were
absolutely phenomenal and I waslooking across that kind of
longitudinal line Like there waslike this Iceland, and then you

(03:28):
had like Scotland and the FairOylons and Sweden and Norway,
and it was like hold on a second.
Why are we the broken link ofthe chain here?
Why is there a break?
Why is Ireland not known forstone lifting?
So I was thinking, sure, I mean, if it's in these countries, it
has to be in ours.
You know, if we're, we'repractically the same people as
the Scots people.

(03:48):
We're very, very similar in ourtour DNA and history to the
Icelandic and the Fair Oylonspeople.
So it was like there has to be aculture here.
It was just very deep and Ijust got looking at it and I
just wrapped it on earth and amassive, massive culture of
stone lifting and history andmythology here.
That was just this culture andthe easier can happen over the

(04:08):
past 100 years, 150 years.
It's just awesome they'rebringing it back.
I'm sure, like the same withthe Colourne elbow, the same
thing was such a huge part ofday-to-day life but it just fell
out with the nationalconsciousness.
So to be able to bring thatstuff back is just it's a gift,
you know.

Do you know Nathan Featherstone, the
rambling Kern?
Are you familiar with him?

Yeah , I'm friends with Ron Laine.
No, no, but I'm friends withRon Laine.

Same.
We just talked to him yesterdayand got into how not just
Colourne elbow or even the stonelifting, but the language and
all types of Irish culture justkind of got stamped out or
forgotten and just Will it be.

Yeah , for sure, you know.
I mean there was a policy toget rid of it, you know, from
the British state.
You know the 16th and 17thcentury, the penal laws I don't
know if you probably talk aboutthat as well, but like there was
the penal law system whichmeant that the British
government were activelystamping out Irish language,
culture and religion and waysyou know.
So I mean it was an active lawto make Ireland more British,

(05:03):
you know, through imperialismand colonialism.
So I mean it was a tough.
I mean the past four or 500years here have been almost like
a.
They've been a horror storyreally.
You know what I mean.
Up until like the 19, say the1920s, I mean Ireland is only a
republic, we're only a nation.
Like 100 years here, you know,I mean people forget that like

(05:24):
we're only our own independentnation For like just over 100
years, you know.
So we're still kind of tryingto figure out who we are and
kind of.
But what I love a lot is thatthe culture has come back.
Especially in the last 15 years, 10 years especially, there's
been a real looking backwards atwho were we before colonialism,

(05:45):
who were we before the CatholicChurch took an iron you know,
an iron fist of our culture aswell and we've kind of climbed
out from underneath those twovery ways.
He's motoring blankets over thepast, only the past 15, 20 years
, and it's kind of like right,who am I now?
Like what does it mean to be anIrish person now?
You know what does it mean tobe Irish now?
Because I mean, I don't knowlike this is a weird tangent,

(06:07):
like just if you don't mind,I'll chat about it for a while
then, because I remember when Iwas growing up, the troubles
were still up in the North.
We got into troubles.
There was still ProtestantCatholic punishment, beatings,
knee campings, bombings, likeget the IRA, yet all that stuff
was still active.
When I was growing up, it wasthe party, our day-to-day life,

(06:29):
and it's only really thisgeneration, like the last people
under the age of 25, whohaven't been brought up with
that, fighting the Britishmentality in their lives,
probably for the first time inabout fucking 600 to 800 years,
because we've defined ourselvesthrough the struggle.
For as long as I can remember,for as long as my parents, my

(06:49):
grandparents can remember, we'vedefined ourselves through the
struggle.
All our songs, our rebel songs,you know, everything is rebel
songs and fighting against theBritish and stuff, but that
isn't happening now.
So it looks like.
What does it mean to be anIrish person now?
You know we don't have thatfight anymore.
It's not ongoing.
You know, it's not part of mykid's day-to-day life Tankfuck,

(07:11):
you know.
So I think the best way tofigure out who am I now is to
look back the way through all ofthat, and that's where I think
the likes of the Coloradowrestling, the stone lifting and
these old ways.
People are really, reallyhungry for that now, and that's
why I think this is just hit atthe right time.
It just I didn't plan it thatway.
It just happened that way thatpeople are hungry for culture.

(07:33):
They're like who am I?
What does it mean to be me?
You know, in this country wecall Ireland yeah, it's been a
really wee interest in the pastcouple of years, definitely.

Absolutely .
My great grandparents, all ofthem, immigrated from Ireland
and I always was kind of I feltconnected to the culture, but
kind of same I didn't reallyknow like where to begin,
because especially likeAmericans, like a lot of
Americans, you know, they liketo identify with their ancestry
but like here, the whole Irishthing is really only once a year
, st Patrick's Day, and eventhen it's just drinking, wearing

(08:05):
green and there's really notmuch else to it.

Yeah , as you touched on, there's way
more, way more stuff to beproud of and culture you know
there really is, and I think Imean people over here.
Some people tend to be a littlebit dismissive of American
people and their love of beingIrish.
It's almost like a run of joketo some people here.
But I'm like no man.
I mean a lot of these people,all of these American Irish

(08:29):
people.
They're fucking Irish people.
They have to move.
You know, when you think back inthe 1840s, two million fucking
people died or immigrated inthree years because they you
know what I mean peopleimmigrated because they had to.
Where did they go?
Most people went to Americancarpentries.
So these are people who fuckingdidn't want to leave but had to
leave.
So they were right, they'rerightly proud of their Irish

(08:50):
roots and they fucking should beyou know what I mean and like
we should be proud to bringthese people back and just be
able to talk to these people aswell and wait in the back into
that, you know, into yournational heritage, because it's
your national heritage as well,you know.

Definitely I've never, you know, thought
and experienced that a littlebit myself, like I'm a third
generation American.
Am I really Irish?
Am I an imposter or whatever?
But like then you look at myfamily had like done the DNA
test and it's like 89% Irish,like a little bit of Scottish, a
little bit of Welsh, a littlebit of Polish, so like it's in
there.
I feel very connected to it andI know Mike, my co-host.

(09:24):
He was living most of his lifethinking he was mostly Irish and
then uh, the tailing in EnglishDNA test, so otherwise yeah.

I'm 32% Italian, but then I'm 25% Irish and I
think another 31% Scottish.
So I'm, you know, mostlyScottish and Irish.
It's just crazy because mywhole life my grandmother always
rejected that she would alwaysbe repulsed.
I'm English, I'm British, I'myou know it's like, yeah, okay.

Well , you were wrong your whole life
.

Yeah, one thing I wanted to ask you about, or
more of a comment, I suppose Iobviously find that you have a
very deep and robust knowledgeand understanding of the lost
culture, if you will, ofstonelifting.
I was reading an article theIrish Times that featured you
and I found it very interestingthat it appears that you just
started to get into this whenyour gym closed because of the

(10:14):
uh Radio edit.
Is that true?
You just kind of started todive into it as a way to uh to
stay fit.

Yeah , you're right, you're exactly
right there, because I don'tknow how you guys what it was
like over in America, but I meanRadio edit, the laws here were
just so fucking strange.
I think we were like the moststringent laws in the world.
That's what I remember from itbecause, like we had a 2K
lockdown so I mean we couldn'tleave two kilometers from our
house.
We had a lot of cars patrol,cars patrol on the streets.
You couldn't move outside ofyour house a couple of hundred

(10:43):
years on it.
You know, it was fucking weird.
It was like just weird,totalitarian is kind of Voivode
got on it.
It's like fucking, this is thecommunist China or something.
I just didn't like it, you know, but nobody did, obviously, you
know.
But I mean Around that time,that's just that they back it up
.
As a mother, like I wascompeting for my country in
kettlebell sport, which is andthis weird Russian endurance
sport that I just fell intoabout 10 years ago through just

(11:05):
pure chance, and it's endurance,kettlebell lifting.
So it's like two heavykettlebells to 32 kilo
kettlebells for time, 10 minutes, clean and jerk.
So I was competing in that forand for for many years and Coach
that traveled the world with us, you know, won a world
Championship, you know, set aworld record at all, is really
cool stuff happen and I justfinished but bowed out of that

(11:27):
at about 2019, 2020 and it wasjust a really cool part of my
life and I was tipping away inthe gym for a couple of months
after that.
I kind of like wonder what I'mgonna do now, you know, because
I mean something part of yourlife or for almost a decade, and
You're kind of like, okay, Istick with that's a little bit,
but the passion is kind of gone,the edge is kind of blunted,
kind of don't want to do withthem, and then Struckers like no

(11:48):
, you can't go to the gym at all.
It's like, what are you gonnado now?
I mean, training was part of mylife.
I trained four days a week inthe gym.
So Because we couldn't moveoutside of 2k, I was just at the
back and like I met my wife inour college and she has these
stone carvings.
I go back and please, and juststarted picking them up.
Like wait them.
And they're picking them upJust as a board human being, you
know, because there was nothingelse to do.

(12:08):
There's not an answer.
Lift, I only have one or twoKettles because I mean all my my
gym stuff, like was all in thegym, well, the gear, all the
equipment on the weights, Ididn't need to buy anything like
.
I was going to the gym for daysa week so it didn't matter.
Like I nothing, I like to getbuzz and three rocks at the back
, so just started picking uprocks.
Like I said, as a board humanand Fending over the
functionality of it, fell inlove with the kind of the primal
aspect of lifting your outside,get out in the grass and the

(12:31):
mud at the back.
You're lifting something that'sawkward and heavy.
There was it's kind of flick toswitch.
To me it was like a real primalmovement.
So that was the beginning of it.
And then, because I was liftingstones, I became aware of the,
the documentaries and by byrogue fitness, and then I was
like no, this isn't just a primephysical movement, there's a
whole lot of culture attach tothis as well, which I love.
I love history and stuff, youknow.

(12:52):
So I was like the history ofthat Lulema Mines.
So I trained for six months andthen I went to the lockdowns
ease office, well, but went toScotland.
I lifted like 16 of thosedifferent stones over in
Scotland and including the Finastone.
And which was the light switchmoment for me, it was like this
is a Fina warriors testing stone.
So I'm sure you guys are awareof the Fina warriors, oh yeah,

(13:13):
yeah.
And so like these are therebranch now it's the Irish
rebranch now.
So these are like the ancientIrish warrior cast.
You know these ramblingwarriors from the land.
You know I loved, like we wererare, those stories of the Fina
here and early in primary schoolwe're taught about cool Colin,
we're taught about people whocool, we thought about the Fina
or she the daked, all that.
So like this is part of who weare, you know.

(13:33):
So I was like you tell methere's a Fina stone in the
fucking field over in Glen Lion.
Like this is like culture andmythology and reality Coming
together.
I was like I can't believethat's there, you know.
So like I have to see this.
So I mean we trained, I trainedfor six months and I lifted,
like it was, 14 of thosedifferent stones in one day over
in Scotland and the last stonewas the Fina stone, because I

(13:54):
wanted that to give my lastmemory.
So we meant to the Fina stonewas just a spiritual experience.
I lifted that stone and in afield in Glen Lion and was like
Maybe, hopefully, but maybe,like a Fina warrior 1500 years
ago, picked this song up andlifted it like going to know.
You know, so you weren'treading about history.
You know you're you're pickingup history.

(14:14):
You know you're fucking puttingyour hands on history.
You know it's not a toasty book, it's.
That's the, that's the stonethere.
Take it up.
And it was just the mostamazing thing.
So I mean, when I heard in bigFina, fina warriors was like
there has to be something.
There has to be.
So that's when I really startedin a research.
That's really two years ago,exactly two years, probably two
years and about three weeks ago.

Yeah, that is brutal man.
I love that and, like you said,that lifting the stone really
does kind of wake something upin You're like that primal.
I love it.
It's so fun and it is like anawkward test of strength.
It's very functional, like Ifeel like it translates well to
wrestling.
So I've dabbled in the woods,pick it up and, like you said,
it's what's what could be olderthan a stone.

(14:56):
So, yeah, how many great heroesor like legendary figures and
stuff picked up that very rockthat you did so spiritual and
just like the connection, likeit woke up something Ancestrally
in you too and kind of sent youdown this whole road.
And I see that you kind of likemade a map of the ones in
Ireland and you kind of piecethose together just from like

(15:17):
folk tales and like littlestories and stuff, and then to
go actually find the rocks likeHoly shit at the rock.
Elaborate on that a little bit.
That's incredible.

David Keohan "Indiana Stones" (15:25):
I mean it was like I call myself
Indiana's the ones.
I know you because it feelslike a quest.
Like you go on an adventure.
You're going on an adventurefor these the ones because I
mean I found my first See myfirst six or eight I found for
old folklore, old Irish folktales, and we were looking off
like the best thing that yourscome in ever done was back in
the late 1930s.

(15:46):
They said 11 and 12 year oldschool kids, the task of
collecting all the folk or thenation.
So they went to sit at it like12 year old kids, like six
baskets, here's a, here's anotebook.
But back and ask your parentsor grandparents or great
grandparents, whoever's stillalive, about folk or in your
area, anything, anything at all.
So it could be about likebattles that happen in your area
.
It could have been oldmedicines, old cures and you

(16:10):
know recipes, but also likefeats of strength or feats of
agility or anything at all.
So they gave me a whole list oftopics, but one of the one of
the list of topics whether we'recalled Dean of Calula or local
heroes or Famous people of thearea, so not at the times the
famous people in the area.
They've been noted dancers.
They'd be great singers.
Verse of fires are to be likegreat leapers or jumpers or

(16:30):
swimmers, but also great strongpeople and stone lifters.
So I just kept coming acrossbecause I was like I was looking
through these old stories.
Someone told me that go on tothis cycle, do because and have
a look at it, because likethere's probably 200,000 stories
on this, this site, becauseevery school child in Ireland
took all these stories gettingto our teacher who sent To the
Dublin, to the national folk artcollection which is in the wing

(16:52):
of UCD University CollegeDublin.
So I started scanning through.
It is because they had to havean online about 10 years.
And I scan through all this andwas like Jesus Christ came out,
the stories about stone liftinghere across roads and at
Funeral games and you knowweddings and a few funerals, and
it's like Jesus Christ hasloads of these stories here.
So I scanned through for monthsand months and months and

(17:14):
eventually came across Maybefive or six stories that like
seems okay.
They gave a maybe like adescription of the stone or
where it was or what crossroadsare, our cemetery it was in, and
then it was just a matter ofjust getting up and instead of
sitting around, lazing around ona Saturday in a day, after
getting up early and driving tothese places.
You know, driving to a cemeteryin Tipper area, driving up to

(17:35):
west of the Galway air and Justgoing looking around for these
stones, it's like you're going,you're following a cold case
lead, like a lead is almost 90years old, but you're getting to
these Cemetery's and somebodysent for cemeteries like that,
the graver from the 1600s, likefrom the 1700s, and you're going
into the ancient cemeteries,like step back in the past and

(17:55):
then in the corner of thecemetery, or like in front of a
grave, there's this massivestone to sew out a place like
why is that there?
That has to be there, for itwas the stone of the funeral
games.
There was the lifting stone inthe area and and it was.
And I just when I found thefirst two or three was just a
revelation, I couldn't believethat, like 80s, things were real
, because you're just followingstories and you're reading

(18:16):
stories, but written by a schoolkid in the 1930s, but even
though going you're finding thedamn things like fucking hell,
that was.
That's incredible.
And take all the stones, theones I've taken the first one I
found.
I'll tell you that story in aminute.
That story is incredible.
I mean, the lean limo flag doyou want?
But they're all around like 170kilo average massive.
They're absolutely huge andthat's what I've come across

(18:36):
with all the Irish differentstones.
They're so heavy, all of them.
You know, because when I foundthe first two or three of the
Jesus outliers maybe you knowthis is just a freak 170, 180,
190 kilos, but all of the ones Ifilmed they're all in that kind
of way it's just, it's beenincredible.
But, like I said, followingthose leads and following the
folklore is just such anadventure, you know it's.
It's almost like you're goingon a quest on the weekends.

(18:57):
You know absolutely.

Sounds exactly like a Indiana Jones
type of quest, so the name isvery fitting and you're going
off of, like you said, purefolklore or mythology, and to
actually go there and see it toto be like holy shit, it's there
, like you didn't know if youwere actually gonna find it, and
then to actually lift it andthen to actually lift it that's
probably one of the most primal,just awesome things ever.

David Keohan "Indiana Stone (19:19):
You know you get to.
This thing is like nobody haseven probably laid hands on this
in a hundred years, you know,and I found one down in Kerry
which is an old iron ingot.
There's actually the only oneof those in Ireland, an old iron
steel ingot that hadn't beenlifted in 300 years.
So I mean it's, you're puttingyour hands on something that
hasn't been touched in incenturies and you're picking it

(19:41):
up.
It's.
It's nearly impossible todescribe the feeling, but it's
just, it's incredible, it'sabsolutely incredible, you know.

And to our American listeners who don't
know the kilograms, all theseare over 300 pounds, pretty much
so like put 300 pounds on a baralone.
Yeah, it's hard enough, but topick up an awkward rock from the
ground and get it off, and getit up to chest or shoulder, even
just inch it off the ground, isinsanely difficult.
So you're listening to a verystrong fellow here.

The way you describe it to anybody
is when you look at the Arnold's, you know you look at the
world's strongest.
The world's strongest men go tothe Arnold's the strong man
games, you know and they'repicking up the Bill Adam Stone
which is 186 kilos and it's thestone to shoulder part of that,
the strong man.
You know what I mean Like.
But these guys are deadliftinglike well over 400 kilos.
You know they're deadliftingalmost up around a thousand

(20:32):
pounds.
A lot of these guys, but a lotof them can pick up that 186
kilo stone off the ground.
You know there's two or threeguys couldn't even break it off
the ground and some guys couldonly get it to their lap.
Some guys one or two guys, ofcourse like the least of kilos
you can just get it to shoulderfive times in 90 seconds.
But some guys have a realstruggle with it and I just
found it was really interestingthat these guys who are so

(20:54):
strong, so strong off the groundwith deadlifting, can't pick up
a stone that's almost a thirdlighter than what they did lift,
you know.
So just goes to show you howawkward it is to become
something that's that dense andawkwardly shaped.

You know it really brings it home and you
see something like that have youever traveled to the States or
traveled further outside of theUK region to look for stones?

David Keohan "Indiana Stones (21:17):
No , no, I haven't.
Like I said, I'm only on thistwo years now, but it's my goal.
We're hoping to, this year, goto Iceland and live some of the
stones over there Like I said,the Hosefell stones and Pripyk
stones and like the amount ofwork that, like an American guy,
sean Orkart I don't know ifyou're familiar with Sean, if
you're not, you should be he'sone of the best guys in the
world of stonelifting and he'salso one of the best historians

(21:37):
and he's found stonelifting andstonelifting culture, like you
name it all over the world,everywhere you know, all the way
through Russia, siberia, allthe way through, like Kyrgyzstan
, across to you know, nepal, allthe way through Japan, china,
tibet.
I mean it's everywhere.
I supposed to see all this froma train and really I mean gyms

(21:58):
are a relatively new thing whenyou think about it.
So I mean stonelifting iseverywhere.
So like I'd love to go todifferent places and what's
happening now?
That is, I'm getting so muchonline kind of notoriety through
this over the past six months,which has just been really weird
because I was just doing it,because I enjoyed doing it, but
it's like the whole Irish publichas kind of fucking taken this
on board over the past sixmonths and it's becoming some
kind of cultural thing now, youknow, and like I've got guys on

(22:21):
the daily now going to visitthese stones and lifting them
and I've been on, like some ofthe biggest TV shows in Ireland
and there's talks and makingdocumentaries and the talks of
traveling.
So I mean, like series one, thetalk of series one, is going to
be like lifting the stones onIreland.
Series two could be travelingaround the world.
So I mean I don't know where mylife is going to go on the next
one.
I don't know where my life isgoing to go in the next 12
months, but that must have beenan interest in the journey, you

(22:42):
know, because something thatstarted off with just me and my
car, with a billhawk slashingthrough edges, following over
folklore, because I just thoughtit was a nice thing to do.
Certainly this game, this onecultural identity, it's just,
it's been incredible.

Absolutely .
And when I visited Ireland, Imade it a point like because I
was only there for a little bitand then I went to go compete in
a World Championship Wrestlingtournament in England.
So like that whole weekbeforehand I was just trying to
go to as many like lots andstuff that I could.
And some people who are likewatching my Instagram stories or
following what I was doingthey're like dude, you're

(23:13):
driving all over the country togo look at rocks, like to go to
these standing stones or likestone circles and stuff.

It was powerful, though.
Oh man, it's incredible.
I mean, where did you go?

So when I had my rental car, I started off
in Dublin Like that's justwhere I, you know landed and
stayed for the first night ortwo and grappled.
And then I made it a point inwhen I first reached out to you,
because I saw you were at theCuckolyn Stone too, just like a
day or two after me or before meLike I made sure I wanted to go
there because I was inspired byyou know the story of Cuckolyn.
I'm like this really was, ifthis really was the stone that

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you know he strapped himself toand died on and stuff like
that's going to have somepowerful energy.
I could use that energy beforeI go and compete for a World
Championship, you know, in myancestral homeland.
So I kind of just wanted to gothere as like a power up.
And you won, and you won, I did,yeah, I had, I probably had
easily the best performance ofmy life and I just thought super

(24:07):
powerful, and I remember, Irecall you saying too, the day
after you went to the CuckolynStone you lifted the heaviest
stone you ever lifted, right.

Oh man, it was the same day.
Oh, wow, it was the same day.
So we were going up to oh man,we're going to hear this one
like we're going up to um, up tothe north, up to Derry, to lift
a stone that was picked up byFjernmökull, the legend has it
so like this is called the SefinStone.
So Sefin literally means sea,fin, so sea in Irish means sea,

(24:37):
and fin is Fjernmökull, so it'sthe sea of fin, so Fjernmökull,
sea.
So even the land is named afterFjernmökull, right.
So this hill is called SefinHill, and on top of Sefin Hill
was this pillar stone and thatfjernm was meant to have thrown
from a nearby mountaintop, right.
So that's the folklore.
But the actual history is thatthe Chieftains, the local
Chieftains, were coronated atthat stone.

(24:58):
So ancient Irish Chieftainsascended that hilltop with their
hand in that stone andannounced their leadership,
their clanship rights, you know.
So it's like that is justfucking incredible.
What an incredible story.
And it's also attached to likeone of the greatest series of
Irish mythology, fjernmökull,like he's actually after picking
that stone up himself.
I have to see this.

(25:20):
So I was driving up that morning, up with a film crew we're
shooting a documentary and I sawthat we were passing through
Cooley, like the CooleyPeninsula, like the Tom Bokulia,
the famous Tom story with CooCullen.
We were passing by thatpeninsula and it was like look,
an open scene, was thereanything to do with Coo Cullen
in that area?
Like some straight or someforward.

(25:40):
I could even just walk in thesame footsteps as Coo Cullen,
but then I found like there'sthe actual stone where he died
at, you know there, the KluckFarrow Moor, like the stone of
the big man, and it was like soI couldn't believe because I
never heard of it before.
So it was like lads, we'repassing this is literally five
minutes after off the main roadgoing up towards the north.
We have to see this thing.

(26:00):
So we went in that morning andgot to that stone and it was
like the land just put on a show.
It was like mist just sweepingacross the ground.
It was like fucking dry ice,dry ice, kind of sweeping across
the ground and it was swirlingaround the stone.
I was like this is just.
I mean, it was probably themost fucking spiritual thing I
think I've ever done and I waslike this is just incredible.

(26:22):
And, like you know, you layhands in that stone, then you
feel the energy drop, you feelit.
I mean that's that field I wasknown as the field of slaughter,
you know and like they foundall bones and all spearheads and
ax heads and swords and stuffin that field.
So I mean it could be me.
What's mentality, what'sreality, who knows?
Like it's all guesswork.
So it's like I really feel thatthat was the stone that he died
at.
It's named after him, so like.

(26:43):
So I put my hands on that stone.
It was like that was just themost incredibly intense
experience and I was going tolift that stone.
Then that was touched byFumacool later that day.
You know, in one day you'relaying hands on stones that were
touched by probably the samemost famous people in Irish
mythology.
So we went to that stone up inthem up in Derry.

(27:04):
Then it was about another twoand a half hour drive up the
very, very north of the countryand we found that stone and I
was like, talk about, it'sabsolutely massive.
I couldn't get over the size ofit.
It's like it's like the samesize as me, you know, it's as
tall as a man.
It's a pillar stone, it's aboutthe same width as me and it's
about maybe I don't know maybe afoot and a half take.
You know, it's just like thisthing is just absolutely how the

(27:25):
heck could anybody pick thisthing up?
But and I tried three times andI couldn't do it and the film
crew was there and was like,when I first walked up to that
stone I saw it was like there'sno man could pick that up.
It's too fucking heavy.
You're looking at it going.
That thing has to weigh 600pounds.
You know what I mean?
Like it's absolutely monstrous.
You know, I went to, I gatheredmy thoughts and I came back to

(27:46):
this stone and I felt an energygo through me.
I thought about the day thatI've had and it's like I had an
out of body experience and Iwrapped my hands around the
stone and I picked it up and itcame up about maybe about three
inches off the ground and it'slike I came back and then I felt
the weight of it and it camestraight back down again.
But it was like I couldn't getover the fact that I could lift
something that heavy.
I mean, because it has to be atleast 50 pounds.

(28:09):
You know, I'm putting it uparound 600 pounds before I get
officially weighed on it, youknow, but something that big has
to be that kind of weight andit was like it was just the most
amazing experience lifting thatstone.
And what we're going to do thisyear is we're going to put that
stone back up on the hillbecause it's kind of rolled down
the hill over the past 150years.
The glass person lift that wasin the 1830s, so like it rolled
back down the hill and so we'regoing to bring that back up to

(28:32):
the top of the hill in thesummertime this year.
We're actually going to drag itup on log rollers and do it and
we're going to put that back upon the top of the hill and have
a kind of ceremony this yearand with local archaeologists
and stuff.
So I mean that's just going tobe class.
But I mean it's like in one dayyou had just this amazing,
powerful, mythological day andit's like you came back from a

(28:54):
week and dream I was drivinghome going.
Did that actually happen?
You know it's like this ismythology and reality and,
lauren, you know the lines justblowered.
I mean it became the same thing.
You became part of thisincredibly old, old story.
Yeah, man, I think you're backto working one day.
You know what.

I mean it's so fucking strange.

But yeah, I mean, what an
experience.
You know, I'm like that's justtwo lifting stones.
I mean there's just 33, sorry,35 I found now and every one of
them has an incredible story,every single one of them.
I mean I could talk about itfor like five hours because
every one of them has theseamazing stories.
Maybe not as amazing as that,because that is pretty special,
but there's just the history,the mythology, the culture, the

(29:37):
folk, the artistry, these things.
It's not just a way, it's theweight of history you're picking
up as well.
You know?

Yeah for sure, that is a supernatural
experience, to say the least.

Oh fuck, I mean it was mind
blowing.
You know what I mean Absolutelymind blowing.
And it's like that stone isjust a shit, shit stone.
So it's like a silver, so puresilver, and we were there like
the golden hours, but it waslike five, five or six am and it
was like just twilight and thegolden sun was shining down on
this stone and because it was sosilver, it was glowing amber.

(30:11):
It was just one was justglowing amber.
I said this is somesupernatural shit going on here.
Absolutely incredible.

I have a bit of a crazy story too.
So like throughout that week,like I said, I was kind of
driving all over.
I went to Giant's Causeway Iwas just kind of like looking on
my phone like random megalithicsites and a few stone circles,
some I don't really recall thename of, and then there was a,
so I did get to the Hill of Tarathis was the day before the
tournament and before I got tothe Hill of Tara there was

(30:40):
another, just like random.
It was called like the Kairnsor something I can't.
Are you familiar with that?
Like it was somewhere near theHill of Tara, probably about
like 30 minutes away, and it was.
It was like a big stone mound ontop of an insanely steep hill.
So like I went there and I wasclimbing up this hill yeah, it
was incredibly steep, it mightas well have been a mountain,
just like a grassy mountain, andat the top was like the stack

(31:01):
of hundreds, thousands of stoneswhich were all pretty big on
their own.
So you think, like did theycarry these one by one up here?
Like that would have beeninsane endurance workout too to
get them up there, and like tothe highest point in the land
and you know, just building thismound and I was up there by
myself and, like you said, justthe landscape looked so mystical
it was extremely just misty andfoggy, like earlier in the

(31:22):
morning, and incredible view, soit just kind of felt like
mystical itself.
But as I was coming down, therewas like a tour bus of people
making their way up and, like Isaid, it was extremely steep, so
they were coming in their ownlittle groups.
As I'm coming down and at thevery bottom the last guy coming
up was like an older man and hehad like a Gandalf white beard,
like a huge, long, mysticalwhite beard.

(31:43):
So like he stood out to meright away and I'm like, oh,
this guy's, this guy's a legend,like he just looked really cool
.
And as I get down he's like hesays this to me.
He says Now, you are the man ofall men among us.
And I was just like, well, Ijust got a blessing from the
druid right before, right beforethis tournament, and I'm about
to go to the the hill of Tara.
So and I was honestly thinkingabout what that guy said, like

(32:04):
the whole time was I was gettingready for the tournament, like
like I was literally part offolklore.

Yeah , man, I mean that's.
I mean I always say it and I'vebeen talking about this a lot,
you know, but I mean I reallyfeel that like there is a bit of
magic left in this world.
You know, we're kind of thebridge between, you know,
between that magic and realityover here.
You know, I think there's somuch mythology and there's so
much buried history here.
You know that we are, that wehave, we are that bridge between
both.
You only got to go out in themorning, say we're here on here.

(32:29):
Sometimes they can see thatmystery rising off the ground
and go to these ancientmegalithic sites.
I mean these sites, I meanthey're four, five thousand
years old.
I mean you're talking athousand years older than the
pyramids.
You know a new range and youknow some of these, these donons
have been to, you know, andthose donons are incredible.
I mean, how did they build them?
I mean it's the same as, likeyou know, the new granaries,

(32:50):
like, and all these stones arelike 40, 50 tonne weighters,
like how, what the name of God,did they move those things?
How did they put them there?
Those donons, like they'rethree stones, like one, two, one
at the back and then there's amassive capstone on top like,
resting on these knife edges,like, and it could be 60 tons,
it's like.
You know.
How did they levitate it upthere?

(33:10):
How did it get?
up there and it's still thereFive thousand years later.
And they could go to thesesites and it's like, again, you
put your hands out and it gets.
It's a really kind of humblingexperience because, like, that
thing has been around so long,you know, it's been around
millennia and you weren't herefor a short while, you know.
So it's a pretty humblingexperience to go to these places
, you know.

Definitely , and who?

David Keohan "Indiana Sto (33:30):
knows if it was a giant or what.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I honestly don't know how theydon't you know?
They're like same as Stonehengein England.
You know what the pyramidsthemselves and stuff.
Nobody knows.
We're just guessing, we justdon't know.

Seems like a perfect time to segue, with
this being conspiracy and chillshow.
We get in there All thingsparanormal and mystical and
weird.
So, mike, why don't you?

take it away.
Well, I guess we can start with.
Do you have any unexplainablecrazy things that may have
happened, like maybe somethingin the sky that maybe they
didn't know what it was, ormaybe you thought you might have
seen a ghost, or do you haveany kind of crazy stories like
that, possibly?

No , but I tell you one, and it's
not to do with lifting the stone.
I live in Waterford, which isdown the southeast of Wern, and
like we have these old what theycall fairy rinks or fairy
mounds, where the true Irishmythology to Athedere, danon
would be the Irish kind of side,or the fairies would live in
these forts.

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So it was always like don'ttouch the forts and even to this
day people don't go into theseforts.
If they're on someone's landthey'll kind of play with land
around them, they'll farm aroundthem, but they won't go into
them because there's a respectfor them.
Even now I mean they've.
Actually they moved a motorwaygoing from Galway to Clare

(34:51):
around one of these fairy mounds.
It was planned to go straightthrough it but the workers
wouldn't Bulldoze the mountain.
Like no fucking way, mybulldoze in the fairy mountain.
Joke me, I'm going to get badluck for my family for the rest
of my life.
No, so they actually built afucking motorway around the
fairy mountain so I was not totouch it.
So there's still a huge respectfor these places here.

(35:11):
But I found this one, this guy'sland, in Piltown, which is just
about 20 minutes away from myhouse, so I went out to this
guy's land with an archaeologist.
He said no, whenever I visitthis because it's on this guy's
land and not many people knowabout it.
So he told me this is a largeanvil stone.
So I mean we went into thisplace and this anvil stone like
the size of the table I'msitting at, probably weight
about 40 tons, totally out ofplace, like where they got it

(35:35):
from.
How they moved it there, nobodyknows.
But he put a spirit level on itand it was absolutely perfectly
level.
You know it's like how did theydo that?
How did they bring it there?
What's it there for?
Nobody knows.
But there was also what lookedlike a lifting stone under this
white hawthorn tree.
Now, the white hawthorn treewould be a tree very much
associated with the fairy peopleas well.

(35:57):
So it's like if there's a whiteor a black hawthorn tree, you
don't go near the tree.
You know you don't go nearanything under the tree.
That's a special tree to thefairy people.
So I didn't see the tree.
I went over, I saw this stone.
I started moving it about.
I was like fuck, that lookslike a lifting stone down the
top and I saw it was a whitehawthorn tree.
He's like shit.
So put the stone down.
I said look, I'm getting out ofhere, chairman.
He's like okay, no problem.

(36:18):
I didn't say why, but as I waswalking back to the car, there
was this flock of small birdsthere must have been about a
thousand of them Followed me,down, over my, over me, they got
into my car and for about twomiles I was driving back into
town, this flock of birds stayedover the car and it freaked me

(36:39):
to fuck out.
It was like.
It was like they were sayingwon't touch that fucking stone,
don't come here again.
Are we fucking haunt you?
They went.
So I was like okay.
So, yeah, definitely the shiton it.

I love that.

And I mean it actually happened.
So it was like and it's neverhappened to me before, anything
like that, or never happened tome since.
So it was like it can't be thatmuch of a coincidence, you know
.

I believe it.
Yeah, we tend not to believe incoincidences on this show too
often.
So there are so many instancesof large stone megaliths and
monoliths around the world and alot of them, as you mentioned,
are in places that defy logic.
Some of them probably can beexplained by really strong men

(37:28):
or a group of really strong men,but some of them are really
hard, at least in my mind, toexplain away.
By that, do you think thatthere might have been some kind
of ancient lost technology, saymaybe like levitation devices or
anything like that could beresponsible for some of these
that we see?

David Keohan "Indiana Sto (37:45):
Again , it's hard to know.
I mean, I have gone down thisparticular rabbit hole hard
myself that's a couple of monthsand like the likes of fucking
Graham Hancock and all that kindof stuff and we could go into
Randall Carrollson and all theseguys and looking at this kind
of stuff and I like that they'retrying to come up with an idea
of how they've done it.
You know, with maybe vibrationor some ancient way of lifting

(38:08):
rocks or moving rocks, because Imean, even looking at something
as simple not as simple, butsomething as simple as the
diamond and they say, like youknow that they had to.
What they done was they built amound of earth and then placed
these stone on the top of themand the earth and dug it away.
That doesn't sound right.
First of all, these things arelike eight foot height.
What kind of a size of a moundof earth would you have to make

(38:32):
to get that stone up on top?
How would you get the stone upon top?
And then how would you balanceit?
You know, I mean it's.
It doesn't make any sense.
So I mean there had to be someway that they knew how to do
these things.
You know what that was, Icouldn't tell you, but I mean
some of the size of some ofthese stones.
You're like there wasdefinitely something fucking
that we don't understand goingon.

Well, like the one that you lifted that,
you were like how, how couldanyone lift this?
And you had the little out ofbody experience to do it.
And it's Finn McCool is, and hewas literally said to be a
giant, so maybe it was somegiants lifting these.
There's plenty of stories ofgiants in not just Ireland but
all over so many stones.

I mean, like Irish mythology is
just full of stories of giants,you know.
I mean, should the Giants causeit built by a giant?
Mythology?
You know that was like ifyou're McCool was throwing
stones to get over to Ben andDonner, the Scottish giant can
make a pathway to get over tohim.
And he was doing the same withthe Fingals Cave or Fjons Cave
in the Scottish side.
Also, like the, the Isle of manwas meant to be thrown by Fjell

(39:32):
McCool and where he picked upthat piece of piece of earth is
now Lock Aira up in Lock Ney upin the North.
So they got it Ireland's eye,so it's like that's.
He was meant to pick it up withthat huge piece of earth thrown
out to sea and that's the Isleof man, you know.
So I mean all these stories areall to do with Irish giants and
the Irish giants have literallyshaped the land through

(39:52):
mythology of Ireland, I mean,and there's Giants throwing
stones.
That's just every village inevery town in Ireland has a
Giants throwing stone attachedto it and I've gone to about 30
of these sites myself.
You're talking these large likeglacial erratics.
That probably are, but I meanthere are these huge stones
sitting out in the middle of afield or on top of a hill that
are just incredibly out of placeAnything up to 200 tons or like

(40:16):
500 tons monstrous stones.
And local mythology is built uparound them that they were
thrown by Fjell and thrown byOshin and thrown by Diermiddler,
thrown by one of the Defina.
But I mean, I also found this agiant throwing stone that was a
lifting stone for the man up inCounty Mayo called a
Clockandara or the Clockandre,and that was Andra's throwing

(40:39):
stone and the legend behind itwas that this giant used to
throw the stone around like apebble.
It was so light from it youcould up to it.
It went over a shoulder, butthe men then would try and lift
that stone off the ground to seewhere they as strong as the
other giant.
So again, there's mythology andreality combining, you know.
So these guys were farming oldmetallurgies to see if they
lived this stone to be as strongas the giant.

(41:00):
And I found that stone throughthe old folk art collection up
in County Mayo in a place calledLa Hagaure, and the stone was
just being used as a siege inthe middle of the village green.
It was just this massive,beautiful, massive stone about
185 kilos, close on 400 pounds,sitting in the middle of the
green and being used as a siegeby the kids, and it was like

(41:20):
that's the giant, strong stoneand they got that verification
from locals there and I was likewhy aren't you guys didn't
making more of it?
Why aren't you guys putting upa plaque?
Why aren't you advertising?
You've got this incrediblestory, this incredible stone
here.
This mythological ties to itand it's like nobody really gave
a shit, you know.
But that's what I've been doingis bringing the shit back and

(41:40):
getting it on the map.
And now this guy's coming fromall over the world and wants to
see if they lived this stone, tosee if they're as strong as the
night.
You know it's a really coolstory.
It's up there with some of thebest living stories in the world
.
You know, like they went overan Iceland and that kind of
stuff to the lake steam and it'sjust, it's wonderful and it's
great that again, like you said,this has this mythological and
physical toy in this stone andthat's the bridge.

(42:01):
You know, it's just class.

So I'm assuming you got it up right,
You're as strong as the giant.

I mean the first time I couldn't.
It was just too big, it wasjust so awkward.
It was only about the fifthstone that I found that I was
only start majority because Imean when I was lifting
kettlebells it was only like 78kilos.
It was in the 70 78 kg category.
You know, I'm like a hundredkilos.
I've had to put on a lot ofweight to lift these stones.
You know, weight was weight butI'm forced to make it lifted.
I got my best lift on it aboutthree weeks ago.

(42:27):
We went up in a film crew andwe lifted that.
I got it about maybe aboutthree feet off the ground, two
or three feet off the ground.
So that was just such a coollift.
And it was lashing rain.
The same day it was in themiddle of a storm, rain, wind,
but still managed to pick thatsong up.
It was just such an awesomefeeling, you know.
And then we went down to theguys.
We went down to the local pub.
We just got chatting.
They're like what are you herefor the really bad day?
And so I was down lifting thestone and they showed him like

(42:50):
fuck, I was crowned around, lookat the phone.
This guy lifted the stone, andthen it was a guy who went on to
go down and try it themselvesand stuff, and that's what I'm
loving.
It's like all you got to do isgo down and find these things,
get them back on the map, liftthem, and then everybody wants
to come and lift them again.
You know it, all it took wassomeone to light the spark.
Thank God it was me, and it'sso happy.

Would you be for or against if they decided to
put stone lifting in theOlympics In?

the Olympics.
What I'd love to see is I don'tknow Olympics, I don't think
that I'd ever walk or what I'dlove to see is like Joe, have
you seen Magnus or Magnusondoing his classic over in
Iceland?
Oh yeah, magnus is doingliterally a stone lifting event,
a stone lifting whole event.
There's like eight or 10different events in it, but it's

(43:36):
all based around stone lifting.
So I just think that's a really, really cool idea and I think
it's a really proper strongmanthing to do.
You're not lifting calorieweights, lifting awkward weights
, so I just think it's soawesome.
So I'd love to see somethinglike that.
I was actually trying toorganize something like that
here last year, but I had a bitof a problem getting insurance.
No one would ensure me to liftMagnuson's stone.

(44:01):
Go figure, go figure.
But I'd love to see some eventslike that.
I'd love to see one say if youhad an Irish one or an English
one, a Scottish one, a Welsh one, an Icelandic one, maybe we all
get together and lift the seat,which is the strongest?
That'd be a really cool idea.
But another part of me thinksno, it's nice to just have these
things as a test of strength.

(44:22):
That is just you against nature, it's just you against the
stone.
You lifting the stone.
I think there's something quitebeautiful about just doing that
as well Going out into nature,finding these stones, going to
these old cemeteries andcrossroads and just testing
yourself, like the men testedthemselves 150 to 200 years ago.
So a part of me likes that ideaas well.

Did you always have an appreciation for geology
and rocks?
Because you sound, when youtalk about the rocks you talk
about it with passion, so muchmore than I would about rocks
say.
But it does sound like you havea deep appreciation for geology
and rocks, so I was justwondering if that was something
that you've always had and it'sjust lately.

(45:03):
Your last few years has reallyexploded.

Yeah , geology I've always been
interested in your megalithicsites here and Irish mythology
Ever since I was a kid, becausewe were thought in school and I
kind of took it a bit furthergetting books and stuff when I
was younger.
So I loved our Dalmonds, ourCromlecs, our standing stones,
our megalithic tombs and, like Ilived beside the sea in my

(45:26):
former years, so I lived out bythe sea in Anstown and I always
loved them.
They were stone beaches, likethey're not sand beaches.
We used to go down to swim inthe stone beaches four or five
months a week before I went toschool and so I always loved the
stone and I loved nature andthat's always part of who I am.
So this is just kind of takingthat to an order level, I

(45:47):
suppose.
But yeah, it was always in medefinitely.

Like he said or like I said, people were
telling me like really, you'regoing around driving looking for
rocks, but it does seem like asacred and a spiritual thing,
like people nowadays or whatever, like whether it's like New Age
or like hippy-ish type ofpeople and their crystals and
they, you know, they love tohave their different minerals
and crystals and stuff, and likeit doesn't get any more raw

(46:09):
than a giant rock that's beenaround for thousands of years or
been shaped over time.
And yeah, I understand theconnection.

David Keohan "Indiana S (46:18):
Exactly .
I mean, people think I'mfucking mental, but they have
for ages you remember the lastprice started doing this, like
people saying you're driving tofucking County Mayo, which is
like a five hour drive from herethrough shitty, winding roads.
You're driving to Mayo to lookat a fucking stone and then
you're driving home the same day.
Yeah, I'm a happy man, you knowwhat I mean.
But like, it's not just a stoneto anybody else is just a stone

(46:43):
, you know, but it's the historyand the stories and the
metallurgies made them so muchmore than that.
It's not a stone, it's a story,you know.
Relic.

And you are definitely not alone with
people thinking you're crazy asa guest on this show, and that's
why you were a perfect guest.

I got a question that just came to me.
Sure, if you could cast a magicspell on any rock, and
basically what the spell woulddo is that would allow that rock
to speak to you and tell youabout everything it's seen and
witnessed, what rock would youpick and why no?

David Keohan "Indiana St (47:21):
that's a good one.
That's a very good question.
Hard to me wants to say theClock Far and More because it
was to do with with Cook Hollandand to know the history and the
story behind one of thegreatest warriors in Irish
mythology and history.
But another hard to me wouldlike to know all about the flag

(47:44):
of den up in County Cabinbecause there's so much history
and stories touching that oneand the fact that a
pre-Christian it used to be whatwe call a coursing stone, like
a pagan coursing stone.
So like in Ireland, like theseare scattered all over and like
that you could lay a course.
It was like voodoo you couldlay a course against someone.
If you could move the stone acertain way or flip the stone

(48:07):
over, you could lay a course orwe call a pisho against someone
who done your wrong.
So that stone was always apagan, was always a coursing
stone, and then it became analder stone when we were under
Pina Lough by the British.
So like we had people likekeeping an eye out because there
was priest hunters who'd comeover and hunt the priests.
So the Irish were plumblyCatholic, so they were saying

(48:29):
Catholic mass not in churchesbut in cemeteries or in hedges.
So we had what we call hedgepriests.
I mean at hedge schools we'reteaching Irish in Irish ways.
It literally it digs us.
And we had people looking outfor the red coats for the
British would come and literallythere's people implied to come
over and kill the priests thepriest hunters they were called.
So that stone was used as analder stone when there was a

(48:49):
priest hunters.
So again, the stories thatthing could tell and it was also
used as a lifting stone at thefunerals.
Then in the 1800s the man wouldsee, could they lift this
massive flagstone?
And they said in old ways itwas 500 weights, so like 100
weight is like 50 kilos, whichis 120 pounds.
So it was 500 weights, sothat's 250 kilos, so 500, well,

(49:14):
550, maybe 560 pounds.
So they delayed for us to getthat massive flagstone up into
your knees and there's somegreat stories about men picking
it up and some men being hit toput it on his back and walk it
around a graveyard.
So that stone was like it was apagan stone, like a druidic
stone, a pagan stone.
It was an altar stone.
It was like almost like atouchstone to our fight against

(49:38):
oppression and it was astrongman stone.
So it's got so much easier ithas to be.
Some part of me thinks itshould be in a museum, but
another part of me thinks no,should be just there.
People should go and lift itand admire it and get all the
stories behind it, and I'd loveto hear what that stone could
tell me, going on the way backlike thousands of years.

It's almost unfair to ask you to only pick
one.
You know.

That's one you know, and there's just
so many, just so many.
That's something to ask, andpick your favorite choice.
They all mean so much so.

Do you guys know about the stone of
destiny?
Yeah, that he fought the onethat's under the royal throne of
the Queen and King, correct?

That's called the Leofold.
So that's what they call thestone of destiny.
In Irish mythology, the realstone of destiny is the Leofold
upon the hill of Tarra.

The hill of Tarra.
Yeah, that's standing stone.
I went up there and touchedthat.
That was.
That was a big sight as well,and I know it didn't swing with
you.
No, that would have been easy.
You're not behind me.

A word and so, okay, that's all
right, easy trade.

Very cool, yeah, from my understanding.
So, mike, or any of thelisteners, if you guys aren't
familiar with this, the thronethat the Queen or the King of
England would sit on, and forthousands, or maybe just like
500 years, I think, is the talethe last 500 years that the
English have had it.
There's a slot underneath thewooden throne, the actual chair

(51:05):
they sit on, and there's a slotwhere this rock sits.
And they put this rock thatthey call the stone of destiny,
that they think either came fromthe Toatha de Danaen or some
people even say it's like thestone from the Bible that Jacob
put his head on and, like, sawhis vision of heaven, and it was
brought to Ireland and thensubsequently it was taken to
Scotland when, like, because,like, at a certain time, like if

(51:28):
you were the King of Ireland,you were also the King of
Scotland and parts of Britain orWales or whatever.
So then, when the seat of powerwas in Scotland, they took that
stone with them and then, downthe line from there, they took
it, the English took it from theScottish.
So they believe they have thisold, like you know, powerful
relic stone under their thronewhich gives them some sort of

(51:48):
like right to rule.

But it's not amazing that that's
still happening.
I mean, like the coronation ofthe current King of England and
that stone was brought fromScotland to England and there
was a whole procession and itwas put onto the fucking throne
and I was only like, well, twoyears ago, a year and a half ago
, and then that's stillhappening.
So these are all practices,that's still fucking happening.

(52:12):
But they believe that that'sthe Leopold.
We believe that we have theLeopold, the original one, up in
the Eilatira.
So there's a whole kind ofthing about it.
But yeah, I just think it'samazing that the stone and
coronation there's such a tie inthere because, like the Irish
one was like the High King ofIreland had to touch the Leopold

(52:32):
and the stone would cry out ifit was the rightful King.
And that was the history behindthat one.
That one I found in the Seffinstone, like this whole ascension
to hill tops and touching thestone.
That's like the NorthernIreland version of the Leopold.
Again, this guy had to get theclimb to the top of his hill, he
lay handed on the stone andannounces his right to be

(52:54):
achieved.
And you have, like a year and ahalf ago in Britain, the
current fucking monarch also hadto have that stone as part of
the coronation ceremony.
So you're going to show you thepower that are in these stones
and the veneration that there isfor them still and something
that's kind of we can't put ourfinger on point they're so
powerful, but they are.
I suppose it's the fact they'rea martyr.

(53:14):
They're a martyr, you're not.
You're just one part of thestone story.
So that's what I love goingfucking lifting these stones.
You become the next link in thechain.
You kind of reach them back tothe last person who lifted it
through the midst of time itcould be fucking 200 years and
then you're reaching forward tothe next person who's going to
lift it and you're that nextlink, you know.
So that's just somethingbeautiful.
You're going to step it intothe stream of history of these

(53:35):
things.

Yeah, that is amazing, dude, and you
touched on it a little that youwere trying to organize some
sort of event.
Do you have any other likeplans or visions of where you're
trying to take this or whereyou're trying to spread it,
other than just kind of doingyour thing and getting the story
out?

When I started like I had no man.
It was just I wanted to findthem.
I wanted to see it because itwas here and that was it right.
But in the past 12 months it'skind of become.
You become like almost like theguardian of this.
You become like the gatekeeperof this whole knowledge, you
know.
So my main thing now is tospread that knowledge, just in

(54:14):
case that happens.
You know what I mean, becauseyou're the person who's done all
the work.
You've done all the research.
So when I'm writing a book atthe moment like the book
hopefully will be released atthe end of this year and I've
written the first draft aboutall these stories and finds and
stones and everything thatpretty much like a lot of the
stuff that we talked about here,but I mean for all of them and
I want to get that out and sharethe story with people.

(54:34):
That's what I want to do now.
And so now we're makingdocumentaries, we're making TV
programs.
I'm going on to late night TVshows and talking about this
thing and it's my main aim nowis to spread the knowledge as
much as possible.
You know, when there's a GQmagazine getting on board and
doing an interview, I mean, thatwas incredible, you know, just
get international attention toit.
So my goal for this next 12months because I don't want to

(54:55):
look too far ahead is just tospread the knowledge as much as
possible and then we'll see whatwe take from there, what we can
do next.
But yeah, it's, it's did.
I think I'd be getting thisamount of international
attention about it.
Not a bit, but am I happy?
Yeah, it's awesome.
Thought a little bit fuckingmentally jarring.
You know what I mean Becauseyou are still working on a
normal job they're not the fivejob but on the weekends you

(55:19):
could be talking to fuckinganybody Archaeologists,
professionals, historians,strong men strongest men are the
strongest woman in the latenight TV shows fucking anybody.
Biggest podcast in the worldanybody.
And then you're back to work onMonday.
So it's kind of weird AlcantStiltman Void going on at the
moment.
But I just want to get thisknowledge out as much as
possible over the next 12 monthsand I guess it's see what's

(55:41):
going on there.

That is awesome, dude, and I can relate
in my own way.
I like, after I did that wholetrip and I was there in Ireland
first time, visiting, going toall these sites, like I go do
this you know storied wrestlingstyle to and win the world
championship, go climb the HolyMountain, crow Patrick, on
Halloween in the county that myfamily was from, and then come

(56:04):
back to real life and work inand stuff and I'm like man, I
just I feel like I just lived awhole lifetime over there.
But another goal that I had inmind for years, even before I
figured out about the collarnobo, like that was a big wake
up and inspiration for meBecause like I knew that Ireland
didn't have, you know, likewrestling and grammar school and
like they don't have likeinternational representation for

(56:24):
just like other styles ofwrestling, not even just the
folk style that was, like youknow, unique to Ireland, which
is collar nobo, but as far asjust like general wrestling,
like we have it here in theStates and like it's a big thing
growing up.
So I always had to go in mindlike I'd really love to go to
Ireland one day and like teachmy wrestling that I grew up
doing and like share it and kindof like help that be a thing.

(56:46):
And I did get to teach aseminar when I was out there and
it was, it was great.
That was a very, you know,rewarding feeling, and then
doing the collar and elbow thinghere.
So like I'm planning to comeback this year and go compete in
that same world championship inEngland, hopefully competing
other tournaments, and, you know, teach, maybe, have a little
bit longer, stay this time.
And I'm telling Mike, get yourpassport, mike, so you can come

(57:08):
with and you can document it andcome hang out.

If you guys are coming over, let
me know.
We organize a day to meet up.
If you do, if you come over, wemake that happen.

That's what I was going to kind of get
to.
A stone lift with you would belegendary or even some sort of a
collaboration, because Nathanand I were talking to we were
going to do a collar and elbowmatch in Phoenix Park because
they used to hold collar andelbow matches there and like the
17 1800s, that'd be like thefirst one there in hundreds of
years.
And the guy, ruan McFadden,who's the author, who kind of

(57:44):
like revived collar and elbow,who really like put the info out
there to kickstart the revival.
Like his work was talking aboutthe, the Talcian Games, which
was like before the Olympics inIreland, where they had stone
lifting, they had wrestling,they had running, they had all.
It was like a to honor agoddess, kind of like the
Olympics, but long before theOlympics.
And who knows, maybe we cankick start some sort of revival

(58:06):
of that type of thing, includingstone lifting, including
wrestling and whatnot.
You never know what the futureholds.

You're not the fourth person to say it
to me, you're not the fourthperson to say it to me.
So I think there's a hunger forthat stuff.
They did try and bring theChattanooga games back in the
1920s and it was great, but itjust kind of fizzled out with
everything that was happeningwith World Wars and the massive,
massive immigration.
But I mean, I think there's ahunger for that.
So I think that's a genuinepossibility in the next you know
five to 10 years.
You know, we could bring backthese ancient games and we could

(58:32):
fucking really really make itgo over and get some fucking you
know funding and getting maybesome grants involved.
So, yeah, actually that ballhas started to roll a little bit
of rail out.
So yeah, I think that coulddefinitely, that could
definitely happen.

You guys lift the stones and I will lift the
camera to document it.

And then we go on going to the
points out towards the soundslike a plan, definitely.

Definitely .
I think that we got the horsesto pull it off just a couple of
passionate and crazy fellowsthat like history and want to
bring it back.
Man.

And look, I mean, all it takes is
passion.
I mean I'm passionate,passionate works, you know what
I mean?
People follow it.
So I mean, like I found that,especially over the past 12
months, that if you're justpassionate about something, no
matter how obscure it is, thatpeople just get interested in it
because that it exudes, youknow.
So let's just let's do that,let's fucking let's see how far
we can take it, absolutely.

Passion is contagious.
Exactly, man, exactly.

I'm hoping probably end of summer around
fall.
So I'll definitely be in touchwith you about coming out there
meeting up hopefully get myhands on some stones.

Yeah , man, we pick out a few.
I mean again, give me a coupleof weeks notice when you're
coming over and we organize aweekend or something that I'm
off and we can just go.
We can go pick, I can send youon a few wherever you're staying
, and we can pick somethingclose and make a day of it.

Yeah, definitely will do.
And kind of getting wrappingthis episode up, what's the name
of your book going to be called?

David Keohan "Indiana Stone (01:00:00):
I'm going to call it the Wind Under
, which I think is becauseyou're literally getting the
wind under the stone, but you'realso getting the wind under the
old culture.
You're on our fingertips again.
So I'm going to call it theWind Under and, like I said,
first draft for it and pleaseGod, it'll be up at the end of
the year.

"Headhunter" Higgins (01:00:16):
Awesome, Mike.
You got anything else you wantto ask this strong fellow?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:00:21):
No man, this was fun and educational.
Thank you so much for doingthis, man, and your YouTube
channel again for everybody.

David Keohan "Indiana Ston (01:00:27):
Yeah , so I mean we can hit me up on.
Instagram is the main thing I'mon, so I'm doing that as
Indiana Stones.
Anybody wants to follow alongthe journey out of the quest
that I'm on, and then who getsto on ironically say they're
going on a quest on the weekends.
So if you only want us tofollow along, just just hit me
up on Indiana Stones or check meout.
Like I said, the GQ stuff, justtake me in to Google, it comes
up.

Definitely be sure to check them out.
I will be in touch for sure.
I'll be definitely looking andgaining some inspiration.
I'm about to go hit a trainingsession in a little bit here and
I'm feeling inspired by thisconversation.
It was great having you, man.
Thank you for coming on dude.

David Keohan "Indiana Sto (01:00:59):
Thank you so much, Really appreciate
it.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:01:00):
Let's find ourselves.
Good luck.
Indiana Stones I liked hisaccent.
His accent was good.

Definitely it's a treat for the listeners
to get to Irish dudes back toback, whether they, like you
said, if they're released backto back or not, but it's just a
good listening experience andthe dude had a lot of
interesting stuff to talk aboutand him just talking about the
rocks with such passion and shitit makes me want to go pick up
some rocks.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:01:24):
What kind of rocks?

Definitely not.
Some crack rocks there you goyeah, those are.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:01:29):
Those are not as light or, I'm sorry, those are
not as heavy, those are notnearly as heavy.

Dude is strong as fuck he looks slow,
you can tell for sure, and Iwonder how long it took.
I should have asked him howlong it took to adapt from just
lifting like kettlebells tolifting some of these crazy
rocks.
I wanted to ask him if therewas any he wasn't able to pick
up to.
So I guess we'll just have toget to that next time.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:01:54):
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to ask him too about some
of his tattoos.
But yeah, you know, if there'salways next time, I'm happy that
people are starting torecognize him and starting to,
you know, like he's the last sixmonths, he's kind of starting
to blow up and just from thelittle bit of research I did,
you know, I brought, I broughtup to one article that was in
the Irish Times, which is apretty big publication, and then

(01:02:15):
, GQ too.
So he definitely is breakingthrough the fringe and kind of
into the mainstream with that.
So I really think that bigthings are in in his future for
real, dude, I think that forreal.

Gotta get that passport, Mike.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:02:31):
Yeah, I can, I can.
That's a.
It takes a little bit of time,though.
Right Was it take like sixweeks or something they say.

It'll probably yeah.
So if you get on it now, we'llbe ready to go.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:02:41):
Yeah, my wife's been talking about wanting to do
that for everybody in our ourhouse too, so, yeah, I got to
get on it.
I feel like a broken record,but this was another good one,
definitely.
Eventually, maybe we'll saythis was a, this was a bad one,
but this was another good one.
Until then.

Hopefully not.
Great great guest list so farand definitely was up my alley.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:03:03):
You know we could always just not fucking
release it too, you know, if wehave a bad one.
So there's that.
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You know we don't discriminate,so we're equal opportunity
destroyer.

We are here for your requests, as long
as you don't make them too weird.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:03:55):
Yeah, you know well, no gay things, except more
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We can take gay requests.
We're weird here, but just keepit appropriate, guys.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:04:06):
Super weird Indiana Stones.
His knowledge is very robust.
It's very impressive for a guythat's really only been digging
into this for what?
Three, three, four years, Imean.
I found that to be.
One of the most impressivethings about it is he's very,

(01:04:26):
he's very, very knowledgeable,you know, and he's gone down
some rabbit holes.
As he mentioned about possiblelevitation, and that's kind of
where I was going with it.
I wanted to see what histhoughts were, because what do
you think, man, they're, they'rehad?
You know some of these are justhow do you explain them?

you know some of the sites I wish I could
explain it, I don't know.
Giants, like literally in thefolklore.
Most of it is attributed togiants, or maybe a druid, magic
of some sort, levitation,atlantean technology, who the
fuck knows it's.
That's part of the mystery ofit itself and, yeah, I think the
passion is what's reallypossessing them.

(01:05:04):
He's, he's so into the stonesand like I know how he feels.
Dude, like doing the collar andelbow and like Roman those
sites like he's insertinghimself into like a modern
mythology, so that's justfucking legendary.
I love what he's doing.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:05:17):
Yeah, I like what he's doing too.
I like that we had back to backdudes from Ireland, and I like
where we're going.
We're trending in a gooddirection.
I like that we have a small butloyal group of diehards.
We definitely have the therandos to what.
We fucking love you all and wewant to hear from you all.
So it's about all I got, man.

Come back for some deep dives and chill
vibes.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:05:40):
Yes, and stay away from pedophiles.

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