May 13, 2024 • 45 mins
Today marks day one of staff training for SWO24! Our staff will be arriving throughout the day and we will worship together tonight. To kick off this summer, Brody walks through our mission statement and gives a preview of what staff training will consist of.
This episode is all about why we do what we do — and the story behind it.
Please pray for our staff and pray for the students that will be coming this summer. Pray that the Lord will encourage and equip our Summer Staff for the weeks ahead. And pray that the Lord will prepare the hearts and minds of the students.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh yeah, swo 24,.
It's time for the kickoff.
Here we go.
It's going to be crazy, talkingabout the authority of Jesus.
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This episode of NSR is the SWO24 kickoff, as our staff arrives
today.
So stick around.
I'm excited about this episode.
Thanks for joining us.
I love that.
Well, some of you know most ofour listeners know that I am a
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Virginia Tech Hokies fan, and soif you know anything about
college football, if you're acollege football fan, you know
that the Virginia Tech Hokiesare known for their.
I mean, it's the best entrancein college football and people
might debate that.
But even people that are notvirginia tech fans will admit
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yeah, it's.
It's pretty crazy.
So inner sandman, made famousin the early 90s by metallica
that's their song but butlaunched into superstardom and
legendary status in the world ofvirginia tech football, in the
world of college football.
So so, anyway, it's kickoff time.
That's the theme here.
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Kicking it off today is day oneof the SWO24 staff training
which will take place over thenext two weeks.
Today I just want to kind oftalk about what that looks like
and why we do what we do, theway we do it, methodology, how
we got here, the staff it'sgoing to be awesome, just kind
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of a launch episode for SWO24.
So thank you so much forlistening.
I'm going to give you somethings you can be praying about
for those of you that aresupporters at the end of the
episode.
So let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Welcome to no Sanity Required from the Ministry of
Snowbird Wilderness Outfitters.
A podcast about the Bible,culture and stories from around
the globe.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, we have come to the time where I mean, the
whole year for us revolvesaround the summer program, and
so we've you know, if you're, ifyou're new to this podcast and
you've just tuned in um, I knowa few people that that just
started listening last week andlast week's episode was about,
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just, you know, fightingdiscouragement and staying
positive and and letting theLord guide you through difficult
seasons.
Completely different tone today, completely different direction
for this episode, but it is sofitting that we talk about our
summer staff coming in and whatthe next two weeks of training
are going to look like.
So I want to talk about how wegot to where we're at.
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And first, real quick, ifyou're not familiar with what we
do, nsr is a production ofSnowbird Wilderness Outfitters.
This podcast is a production ofsnowbird wilderness outfitters.
This, this podcast, is aproduction of snowbird
wilderness outfitters, which islocated in Andrews, north
Carolina, just outside of thegreat Smokies national park, and
we are, uh, we're a ministrythat we're a conference and
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retreat center.
Um, we do conferences, camps,we do things for, um, adults, uh
, marriage conferences, men'sconferences, women's conferences
, college conferences, um, we do, uh, events that are geared
towards people that work withyouth or in student ministry.
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But the main, the main, lion'sshare of the traffic that comes
through snowbird outfitters isstudent ministry.
But the main, the main lion'sshare of the traffic that comes
through Snowbird Outfitters isstudent ministry.
So we work with teenagersprimarily and we we jump into
the the cultural current and wehelp students navigate their
Christian faith in a constantlyincreasing current and pressure.
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Um, how do you stay Christianin high school?
How do you stay Christian incollege?
How do you prepare yourselfwhile you're home to leave and
go away?
So we sort of at the center ofthat is our summer camp program.
In the summer the people thatcome to Snowbird are church
youth groups.
During the year we've gotschool groups, public schools,
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private schools.
We do all kinds of things.
We do things that are not asfaith-based, a lot of times
working with public schools,just more activity-driven and
positive influence-driven.
But in the summer it is asummer camp for church youth
groups.
We partner with churches.
One of the lines in our missionstatement is quote to equip the
church, end quote.
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And that's what we're here for.
We're here to partner with andequip the church.
We've been at this for 27 yearsat this location, prior to that
, a few years in studentministry, little and I, my wife
and I and prior to that herfather, who was instrumental in
starting Snowbird was in studentministry going back to the mid
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to late, I think late 80s.
So we're talking gosh.
Close to 40 years of studentministry is driving what we do
here, and we have existed in ourcurrent form for 27 years and
it's what we've done with ourlives.
It's what God called us to at ayoung age.
God gave the vision when I was23 and Little was 22 and went
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and shared it with her folks.
Her dad said man, I've beenpraying about something like
this.
The start to this was we wereworking at a camp in in uh, alta
Vista, virginia, called theMaster's Inn and it was a
smaller camp and it was going.
That camp was going throughundergoing some change in
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leadership and they were lookingfor someone to come in and take
it kind of take it over andmove it in a new direction.
I was working there and so Ireached out to my wife's dad.
I reached out to.
A lot of our listeners wouldknow he was called the big
kahuna and uh and went to bewith the Lord in 2022, but um
was was instrumental in thestartup of snowbird and wouldn't
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happen without him.
Um and was very active atsnowbird until about 2011 or 12,
12, I think.
So for our first 15 years.
He was very, very hands-on andinstrumental in his leadership
early on and visionarycapabilities and giftings were
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so used by the Lord to getSnowbird off the ground and into
the stratosphere of studentministry, to get snowboard off
the ground and and into thestratosphere of student ministry
and and the the background tohow we got here is is so
important because, um, and I'veshared the story before, but
I'll share, uh, just touch onthe highlights of it again today
, and that is uh, there's alesson to be learned here and
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I've uh again, I've covered in acouple of episodes early in our
existence.
I covered this, but I want tojust tell you how we got here in
terms of why we do things theway we do things.
So, when I was about 17, I wentto a youth camp.
It was a church youth camp.
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Now I have two camp experiencesas a kid.
And one was when I was in theseventh grade.
I went to an RA camp which islike a Christian Boy Scout camp
and it was at a place calledBarawala, camp Barawala, right
outside of Hendersonville, northCarolina.
And I can remember that myfondest memory of that week and
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I have shared this before was mydad gave me $10 to spend at
camp that week, which in theearly 80s was a lot of money,
probably be about like getting$30 today.
You know, and I think it was.
He figured $5, you know,today's equivalent would be $5 a
day and I had never my dadnever gave me money to do stuff
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like that.
I had to kind of earn it.
From about sixth or seventhgrade on.
If I wanted to do somethingextracurricular I had to pay my
way and earn the money.
And I remember I was just likein shock, I couldn't believe it
and it was uh anyway.
So I left.
I'll go to camp.
Well, I had seen there was astore called Kmart.
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Some of y'all remember Kmart.
Some of our younger listenersprobably don't.
But Kmart was like um, it waslike Walmart.
But uh, like makes Walmart looklike target.
Uh, like makes Walmart looklike target.
Like makes Walmart look likeuppity, upscale, fancy, you know
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, kind of for suburb people.
Kmart was like you go intoKmart and it looked like the
store had been robbed.
Those shelves were bare,everything was disheveled, kind
of a just a funny store.
It was like an oversized dollargeneral, I guess.
And at Kmart they had thispocket knife that I wanted, and
I wanted it because on the bladeof the pocket knife there was
the picture of the engraving ofa buck, a big buck, a big
10-point buck.
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I was like, ooh, I want to getthat and it was $10.
And so I was like, if I don'tspend any of my money and I get
home on Friday I was going toget home Friday afternoon or
Saturday morning, I don'tremember and on Saturdays we
would go to quote unquote go totown.
We would go to town, we wouldgo to Kmart, we would go.
It was a drive into town maybe20 minutes.
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We would go.
By the way excuse thebackground noise, we are in full
swing getting camp ready, so Ican hear drums going in the
background, I can hear hammersand drills and there's a lot
going on which is exciting.
But you might you might hearsome background noise, but we
would go.
We would go in to town.
So I was thinking I'd get backfrom camp, I can go in and I can
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get this knife and it's goingto be awesome.
So I didn't spend any money.
I remember we go to camp allweek.
We're just having a big time.
I have two memories from campthat I have shared before.
One was this kid named Phillipattacked me and I don't remember
what it was over, but I got ina fight with Phillip.
I didn't really fight back, Iit was.
He was a real small kid and hewas just going crazy, punching
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me and clawing me, anding me andand, uh, I think it was like we
were horse playing in the cabinyou know pillow fighting, horse
playing, you know messingaround and then this kid snapped
and went crazy and I rememberthe the cabin counselor came and
you know, got him, pulled him,pulled him back and we're all
like what?
the heck, you know, this kidjust lost it.
So I remember that.
And then I and he had me.
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I remember I had scratch marksall over me.
And then on the last, oh, andthen I remember one night we're
sitting around the fire andthey're doing guitar, playing
kumbaya sitting around the fireand this song that I knew from
my childhood at church and itwould say, yeah, it was the song
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.
It Only Takes a Spark to get afire going and soon all those
around will warm up and it'sglowing.
I think is how it went.
But it gets to the course andit goes.
I'll shout it from themountaintop, I want the world to
know.
And then it's talking aboutJesus.
And there was this point whereit goes.
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I'll shout it from themountaintop and you're supposed
to stand up and yell praise God,and then he goes.
I want the world to know.
Well, that had been added inlater.
In my church, where I went, wewould sing that song and you
would yell that Well, we gotthere and we're singing at this
campfire and there's maybe 50boys, and it gets to that point.
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I was real bashful, I was veryshy.
And and there's maybe 50 boys,and it gets to that point I was
real bashful, I was very shy andI yell praise God, I was the
only one that did it andeverybody starts laughing.
I remember I was mortified, Iwas so embarrassed.
So I remember that from camp.
And then the other thing is Igot home from camp still had my
$10, didn't buy a snack.
All week they had a shavingcream war in the field and you
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cream war in the field and youcould buy shaving cream for a
dollar and guys were, you know,buying three or four cans big
shaving cream war and afterwardseverybody jumped in the lake.
I'm sure that was good for thefish and the ecosystem, but 50
boys, 100 boys, I don't rememberhow many some you know probably
not more than 100, but um andjust shaving cream war.
I didn't buy shaving cream.
I stood and watched.
And I get home and I get offthe bus and my dad asked me for
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the change Do I have any change?
And he takes my $10.
So I get no money.
I don't go buy the pocket knife, needless to say.
And so it's funny because thenext time I went on a youth
group trip or a church trip orsomething like that is, we went
to, uh, this place calledTweetsie railroad, went to
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Tweetsie railroad and it was aday trip and uh, I think I had.
I think I had $5 or $10 orwhatever.
I spent it all in the firsthour I was there, went straight
to the store, bought some food,got me a souvenir, a hat, you
know, whatever it's like I ain'ttaking no money home because if
I don't spend it I'm going tolose it, and so that's a funny
story.
But anyway, I went.
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My camp experience as a teenageris I went as a 17, probably 16,
17-year-old high school junior.
I went to camp, to a churchcamp, with a group from my
church and my church the youthpastor at my church was not full
time, he just worked in thesummer.
He was the local high schoolfootball coach, um, and he would
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take the youth in the summer.
He would take over and be theyouth pastor and then, um, so we
would have kind of like a youthactivities based youth ministry
program in the summer and wewould do some things with other
churches.
We would have pool parties, wewould go to camp, we would go to
like carowinds or six flags Iremember we went to six flags on
a Braves game one weekend andthen another time we went.
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We went to this camp and therewas only a handful of us that
went to this camp and I go tothis camp and it really impacted
my life and it impacted my life.
There was very little activity.
It was a really small littleassociation camp for this one
little county, but we weren'tfrom that county and all the
other churches that went.
This was called Camp Marietta.
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Some of you will be familiarwith it.
It's in the upstate SouthCarolina, on the North Carolina
South Carolina border, and itwas an associational camp,
meaning it was a camp that wasaffiliated with the Association
of Baptist Churches in thecounty there.
Maybe it was two or threecounties, you know, and it was
their camp and we had come downfrom North Carolina.
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We drove maybe an hour to getdown there.
We were the only church fromNorth Carolina, from our area,
so we didn't know anybody there,didn't know any of the
leadership and the guy that.
There were two guys.
One was named Dan and he wasthe director and he was, you
know, to me seemed like an olderguy.
He was probably just in hisearly to mid, probably mid-30s
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at the time.
And then the other guy wasnamed Beaker, michael Beaks.
I've talked about these guysbefore and both of those guys
really invested in me, investedin everybody, and took real,
genuine personal ownership inthe investment that they made in
the students there.
There was a lady named Angie.
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I remember she was the samewith the girls.
Angie and Beaker were bothschoolteachers during the school
year.
Beaker, I think, ended up goinginto ministry, became a pastor
and then Dan was.
And this one was camps that onlyrun for eight weeks in the
summer and that's it.
They don't do anything the restof the year.
At that time they didn't.
This was late eighties, but therelational impact really
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affected me.
It really impacted me.
Then I went to work.
During college I spent sometime working with Liberty
Expeditions, which was a highadventure camp, and that camp
was run by a man named RobinCarroll.
He's the first person to eversolo the New River and the Upper
Galley River, rather, in WestVirginia, on an oardeck, which
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is boat that, where one man sitson top of the boat and has an
or a long paddle in each hand.
It's called an or deck and heran that.
His first guy to solo it, hisdaughter Shannon Carroll you can
look her up she's.
She's world-class, legendary umpaddler Um, and in the nineties
and early 2000, she was liketop of the paddling game, her,
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her main kayak, um sort of genreor or discipline or whatever
you call it was waterfall drops.
At one point she held the worldrecord for the highest drop off
of a waterfall.
It was like 70 something feetwhich had been broke several
times now.
But, uh, whitewater royalty andI loved working for them.
And there was.
It was a Christian camp butthere was all.
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All the happen was like alittle devotional around the
fire at the end of the day,crazy, crazy experiences with
recreation, so fun in the newriver gorge in West Virginia.
So it was my first two campexperiences.
The first one as a teenager,relational impact.
The second one, uh, as acollege kid, deep, uh deep roots
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in the outdoor recreation sideof things.
I mean like so incredible lifechanging recreational
experiences.
And then the third was rightafter I got married, I went to
work at this camp in Virginiacalled the master's end and what
they did really well they had,they had pretty good recreation.
We, uh, we good rec.
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But it was not like really highlevel, high adventure rec.
But it's just, it was fun, it'sgood.
It was a good blend of, youknow, a camp experience but then
some recreation.
But what I loved about thatplace is the way they taught the
bible.
They're very faithful in theirteaching and handling of the
scripture.
And a guy named Mark Brown,who's a pastor in California now
, was the guy that did the bulkof the speaking and he I just I
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just noticed I didn't know itwas called exposition or
anything like that, I justnoticed he, he handled the
scripture really well.
And so I had these threeexperiences high school
experience, very relationshipheavy and driven and impactful.
College experience wasrecreation and experiential.
And then early formative yearsin ministry, um, learning how to
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teach the Bible.
And so Snowbird's vision anddream was to put all three of
those components together tohave an incredible experience
recreationally, to have a high,high view of scripture and to
teach the Bible expositionally,which is to very faithfully
handle the scripture.
That's important because well,because it's God's word.
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But in student ministry it'sdone poorly.
It historically has been donepoorly a lot in extra parachurch
ministries.
So, like camps, conferences,there's guys that in the 90s and
early 2000s made a huge livingjust going around and speaking
at student events, but typicallythere was not a lot of depth.
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You'd have very dynamicspeakers who were really
engaging and they'd tell greatstories and they'd pull kids in,
get their attention.
A lot of times there was noreal exposition of a biblical
text, and so so at Snowbird itwas like let's take all these
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events.
I mean all these experiences,rather take all these events.
I mean all these experiences,rather.
This thing where, as a teenager,I was impacted relationally,
this thing where, as a collegekid, I saw people's lives
changed through incrediblewhitewater experiences If you
ever run the new river in WestVirginia or the Galley river,
especially in West Virginia,it's, I mean it, those are,
those are experiences you don'tforget.
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I mean it's, it's incredible.
And then, and then my earlycamp experience, uh, after I got
married, which was seeing theword of God handled faithfully,
and uh, so snowbird does thosethree things.
We we want to invest in peoplerelationally.
We want to have an incrediblehigh adventure experience while
while you're here, and then wewant to really teach the word of
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God, and we want to teach itfaithfully, and so that's what
we aim to do.
And so our mission statement isSnowbird Wilderness Outfitters
exists to proclaim the gospel ofJesus Christ through the
exposition of Scripture andpersonal relationships in order
to equip the church in thisgeneration.
So we want to teach the Word ofGod.
We want to invest relationallyin this generation.
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So we want to.
We want to teach the word of God, we want to invest relationally
and we want to, we want to umgive, give students an
incredible experience inrecreation.
So the relationships and therecreation really, they really
compliment one another, becauseyou know kids going down the
river and their guide is someonethat that might be teaching a
breakout session or leading ashare group with them.
And so it's all just kind ofinterwoven, and so that's that's
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kind of the philosophy behindhow we do what we do and that's
the story behind it.
God used everything in my lifeto sort of prepare me for this,
and then, uh, and then there's acool episode, if you go back um
what we'll.
I'll try'll try to tag this one.
Have Maddie put it in the showdescription down at the bottom.
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It's an early episode where Italk about Kahuna's experiences
in construction and inwastewater management and how
the Lord, literally in the 80sand 90s, was using him to learn
how to do the things he wouldneed to do to then you know, the
construction and operations, orthe construction and
infrastructure side of buildinga camp.
It's just cool.
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The Lord prepared so much forus to be here to do this, and I
can remember the first staffthat we ever had.
You know, how are we going toget these people?
Where are we going to get themfrom?
And so I had some friends fromthe master's end come down and
work.
We had one week of camp thatyear.
And so the folks at themaster's end um, jim Sanders is
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a guy that that owned and ranand directed all of that and he
let us borrow some staff to runour first week of camp.
I'd been down here at that pointfor only for a year.
This is crazy.
I'm working at a camp in thesummer of 97.
As soon as it's over, we leavethe master's inn, move down here
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little and I move to theproperty.
Her parents were living down inAtlanta and kind of commuting
back and forth for differentthings.
And then, gosh, it's crazy, thenext summer we had a week of
camp and um, and it was veryeffective and impactful, and
that was with uh a church calledcenter Grove and the, the, the
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student pastors named DavidThompson.
He's now on staff with summitchurch and in the Raleigh Durham
area, and so just a lot of coolhistory there.
And um, man it's.
It's amazing to me that theLord would, um, would start us
as small as we started, wouldbring us up to speed as quick as
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he brought us up to speed.
And what you know, what wasobvious after that first year
was we're going to have to hireour own staff and how are we
going to choose them and how arewe going to train them.
And so the only connections wehad were the Masters Inn and
then Little and I had gone toLiberty.
So we went up to LibertyUniversity and they got a couple
folks to let us come intoclasses and recruit staff and
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from that we hired Zach Mabry,who to this day works here and
he was a college kid.
Zach Mabry, who to this dayworks here and he was a college
kid and he runs our institute,has spearheaded it, has
pioneered the institute Snowbird.
People know that Little and Istarted Snowbird.
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Little and I and her parentsthe four of us started Snowbird.
But, gosh, there's a lot offirsts and startups at Snowbird.
So we have a team here rightnow that you say who started,
when did the camp start, how didthe camp start?
But gosh, there's a lot offirsts and startups at Snowbird.
So we have a team here rightnow that you say who started.
You know, when did the campstart, how did the camp start?
Well, as it is today, thestartup team is all here, zach
being the guy that started theinstitute, spencer Davis being
the guy that started the old,old school program that merged
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into, eventually, the institute.
So we've got this incredibleteam that that, that all that
started in 2000.
And when they came in, we endedup hiring the majority of our
staff that summer from Liberty.
It was crazy because that tripwas and we only needed about 20
folks, um, and I think we hadmaybe 15 of them were from that
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trip to Liberty and just theLord gave us some favor.
And so a lot of times peopleask man, what's up with all the
Liberty people, libertyconnections, liberty roots?
Well, that's what it goes backto.
It's because little and I hadgone to school there and we
hadn't been far removed fromthat, so that was our only
connection for recruiting.
So we went up there to recruitand we got.
We got some staff, had anincredible summer that year and
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that that summer, 2000, was.
So the first year was 98 whenwe borrowed some staff.
99, the staff was still so smallwe were able to put together a
team from First Baptist Church,woodstock, georgia, where we had
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some connections and that'swhere Little's dad had been the
youth pastor, and we were ableto pull it all together.
But in 2000, and in 99, we hada couple Liberty guys, I think
two Liberty guys, four folksfrom Woodstock, four or five.
A guy named Zach Williams whohas had an awesome music career,
has a touring gig deal act,whatever you call it out of
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Nashville.
Not the Zach Williams.
There's two ZachWilliamsesiams's um.
There's one that's tall guywith a beard.
This zach williams, uh, thatworked at snowbird, went on to
to be a founding member of theband called the lone, the lone
bellow um, incredibly gifted,and he was here that summer.
Um, anyway, um that, that nextsummer 2000 was the third summer
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.
We were going to run a full.
The first year we ran one weekand we borrowed staff from the
master's.
In second summer we ran aboutsix or seven, I think seven
weeks.
The third summer we ran nineweeks and we needed a full, a
full size staff.
And, uh, that second summer wehad run six or seven weeks at
like 60 kids a week, um, and hadhad a few weeks of a hundred
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students.
The third year, 2000, we ran.
We ran like 120 people a weekfor eight weeks, I think, um,
something like that it ended upbeing.
If I remember it ended up beinglike 680 people for the summer.
So we had some bigger weeks andwe had some smaller weeks, but
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it came out to like over 100people a week, which was just on
average, which is crazy, and somaybe it was 880.
Maybe it was 880.
And so we were so blessed fromthe Lord to have that small
start but for it to come up tospeed so quickly.
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And we realized through thoseearly years the importance of
investing in our staff.
And what I've seen happen inministries like this is you, you
bring in, through your staffselection, really qualified,
awesome people, but then thework demands are so heavy.
The ministry stress is so heavy.
You know it's 16 hour work dayswith everything from scrubbing
toilets to um, to run inrecreation, to lead in a share
group where you're dealing withheavy theological issues with
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students.
It's a taxing day.
A normal day working atSnowbird is a taxing day.
We don't have downtime, freetime, nap time.
It's get up and hit the groundrunning in the morning.
If you're going to get somequiet time you've got to get up
early before the day gets goingtime.
You got to get up early beforethe day gets going.
And so we've got a structurefor our staff where they're part
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of small group that's part of alittle bit bigger group, of
multiple small groups that'spart of a larger group that's a
family group.
So our staff is structured sothat a person that's serving on
staff is going to, is going tobe invested in, so somebody that
comes here to serve for asummer, we're going to really
invest in their spiritual growthand development.
It's very important that theygrow while they're here and
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rather than that they just getdrained and at the end they got
nothing left to give, we wantthem to be exhausted but
fulfilled and to grow through it, and, and so that's why we do
once we get our staff in playand it's just, it's a typical
application process we recruit.
We've got a team that goes outand recruits.
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They go to conferences anddifferent colleges and college
ministry events and recruit ourstaff.
We have partnerships withSoutheastern, the college at
Southeastern which is part ofSoutheastern Baptist Theological
Seminary.
We have a partnership withLovell College at New Orleans
Baptist Theological Seminary,liberty University, columbia
International University, northGreenville A lot of colleges
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that are Christian schools thatwe're connected with.
We've had students from UnionUniversity and Covenant College
and Cedarville in Ohio, so a lotof Christian schools, and then
Baptist College of Florida isone, and then we get a lot of
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our staff.
Recruitment comes through formercampers, students that grow up
coming to camp here with theiryouth group, and then they come
back and serve when we havethree facets of serving here and
one of those is the elementprogram.
It's actually an acrostic LMNT.
It stands for Leadership,mentorship, next Generation
Training.
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So that's a team that we'retraining and developing as
leaders.
We're mentoring them, we'retraining them to be the next
generation of leaders atSnowbird and they are high
school students, juniors andseniors.
In high school we have ournormal, traditional summer staff
position, which is the folksthat come in are going to work
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with students that come to camp.
And then we have our leadershipinstitute, which is the year
round program that comes out ofthe Element program and the
Summer Staff program.
So in the summer we've gotInstitute students that have
been here for the last year,that are leading small groups of
Summer Staff students andElement team members, and so
we've got 150 people on deck, onthe deck working to pull
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together the ministry operation.
We've got a dozen food serviceemployees, we've got bus drivers
, we've got directors andmanagers over programs.
We've got an operations team.
We've got, you know, ourmaintenance and construction
team is we got, we got highlygifted, highly talented and
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qualified people that domaintenance, construction,
physical development of theministry facility and everybody
comes together for two weeks andwe have staff training.
Now, a little over a month ago,we had our staff orientation
where everyone came in for theweekend, but what's starting
today is staff training wherefor the next two weeks, every
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day, all day, they're going tolearn ministry philosophy,
they're going to learn ministrymethodology.
Uh, next Monday, our nextepisode we'll give you an update
and then we're going to go.
I'm going to walk you throughour core values, as today we're
looking at our mission statementoverview of our mission
statement.
Next week we're going to jumpback into the mission statement
and look at the core values, andthere's two weeks of just
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getting them ready doctrinal andtheological training, make sure
that they're grounded, thattheir foundation is in place.
Each day our staff will meetwith their fire team that
they're a part of, which isthree or four people.
Uh, two to two to three fireteams make up what's called a
community group that meetsweekly, and then two community
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groups, a girl community groupand a guy.
Fire teams and community groupsare gender specific girls and
guys, um, biological, assignedat birth male and female.
When I say gender, I meanexactly what God means by gender
.
There's dudes, there's girls,and we don't cross those lines.
Um, we don't there.
There's no room for that.
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That's just insanity.
We would never be so dishonestwith somebody as to affirm
something that God did notaffirm for them.
So anyway, there, there there'sthat.
Um, I don't know why I feltcompelled to say that, but
nowadays when you use a wordlike gender, it's like what do
you mean by that?
Gender means male or female,whatever God made you.
So we've got girl groups, guygroups.
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So a fire team is three, threeto four folks with a leader,
through two to three fire teams,equal a community group.
So you take one girl communitygroup, one guy community group.
Now you've got about six fireteams.
This is going to make up about24 to 30 people and those two
community groups come togetherto form a family group and then
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that family group will beassigned a full-time staff
family who's sort of like theirhost family.
So the Parkers, the Joneses,the Schwartings, these families
that host community groups andso on the weekends they might
have a cookout once a month orget together.
So there's a strong relationalconnection within the staff,
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because that relationshipcomponent of ministry, if we're
going to relationally connectwith students, we've got to be
relationally connected as a team, and so that's important.
If we're going to be faithfulin how we handle the scripture
with students.
We got to be faithfully.
You know, theological trainingand discipleship has to be
happening as a team.
And then the other piece to thattwo weeks of training is
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recreational training.
If somebody is going to leadcanoe trips all summer, we're
going to teach them how to loadthe trailer, drive the trailer
back the trailer, unload thecanoes into the lake, how to do
a rescue if somebody flips acanoe, how to get a canoe that's
flipped and full of water, howdo you get that emptied when
you're out in the middle of thelake with 150 feet of water and
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depth underneath, you know.
So training um, you're going torun the aerial park or the
climbing tower.
We're going to learn all theknots and ropes and systems, the
harnesses, the, the points ofthe harness, the helmets.
Somebody's going to run the gunrange.
Somebody's going to run whitewater rafting, whatever you're
going to work in, you're goingto work in, you're going to
learn that.
So staff training is thosethree pieces that we're trying
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to hit Relationships, sharedexperiences through recreation
and exposition of scripture.
We're trying to equip our staffduring the two weeks of staff
training to be able to hit allof those points with students.
So the staff training processis super involved and then
during that we're making surethey understand the mission
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statement, the core values, andthat they're ready to execute at
a high level.
That's how it runs and if you'vebeen here, you've seen it and
that all that all makes sense.
If you've never been here, I'dencourage you to go to SW
outfitterscom and check us out,and there's a ton of information
on that website.
John Reagan runs our websiteand does a phenomenal job with
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it.
I drive him crazy, cause everytime I see a typo or a little
glitch or some little piece thatis is not up to date.
I bug him, but he really doesdo a phenomenal job with it.
There's so much to manage andso many moving parts and so many
things that change constantly.
Very appreciative of JohnReagan, the work he puts into
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the website, but it's reallygood.
We just got a facelift on thatabout a month ago, back in April
, and it's very intuitive.
Tons of media content.
You go listen to sermons frompast summers.
You can listen to some stafftraining talks we've done.
I'll, in fact, include in theNSR episode list coming up in
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the next few weeks for some ofthese NSR episodes.
We'll include some of the talksthat we do with the staff.
That'll be awesome.
Our core values are importantand we'll be covering those in
the next episode.
Our core values are importantbecause they sort of they're how
we measure the effectiveness ofstaff.
Are you doing your job well?
Are you hitting all these marksand these markers?
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But the mission statement isthat we exist to proclaim the
gospel of Jesus Christ.
Snowbird Wilderness Outfittersexists.
That's a miracle that we exist.
That's a sovereign hand of Godthat has guided us to the point
that we are a reality.
Snowbird Wilderness Outfittersexists to proclaim the gospel of
Jesus Christ.
We exist to proclaim Christ.
We exist to proclaim Christ, topreach Jesus and his gospel him
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crucified, buried and risen,exalted and enthroned on high
governing nations ruling over afallen earth that he will one
day bring to complete judgmentand or redemption.
And so we preach Christ.
So snowbird, one of hisoutfitters, exists to proclaim
the gospel of Jesus Christthrough the exposition of
scripture.
So the way we handle the wordof God is so critical, um, and
through the exposition ofscripture.
And then we and and personalrelationships.
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We build relationships withpeople because it's much more
effective to minister whenyou've got relational equity.
I'm not saying that before youever share the gospel with
somebody, you need to build arelationship with them.
Not saying that.
But I am saying that the peoplethat you're invested in you're
going to have their ear more.
They're going to be more intune to what you might have to
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say when it comes to the gospel.
And so our mission statementreally drives what we do.
And our mission statement isheld up by a couple of verses in
Colossians Colossians 1, 28 and29.
Those verses say him weproclaim, warning everyone and
teaching everyone.
You see that first line in ourmission statement that we
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proclaim the gospel.
This number of winners,outfitters, exists to proclaim
the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Colossians 128,.
Him we proclaim.
And then it says warningeveryone and teaching everyone.
Warning everyone and teachingeveryone.
So we say um.
Him we proclaim, um holds upthat line in the mission
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statement snubbered outfittersexist to proclaim the gospel of
Jesus Christ through theexposition of scripture.
That is held up by that verse,that line in Colossians one, 28,
29,.
That says warning everyone andteaching everyone.
Um, there's a warning thatcomes with scripture, there's
instruction that comes withscripture.
And so we want to warn andteach.
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We want people to understandthe word of God.
Think about, I'm looking at myBible here.
I'm looking at it in the NLT.
You guys know I love this.
So we tell others about Christ,warning everyone and teaching
everyone with all the wisdom Godhas given us.
Warn and teach with the wisdomGod gives us.
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The Great Commission says thatwe're to go preach the gospel to
all people, baptizing them inthe name of the Father, son,
holy Spirit, teaching them toobserve all that I've commanded
you, teaching them to observeall that I've commanded you.
So gospel ministry has to bedriven by the proclamation of
Jesus and then the instructionof his word to warn, to teach,
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to instruct, to shape, to mold.
And so that's what we seek todo in a week at Snowbird or a
weekend at Snowbird Warningeveryone, teaching everyone with
all the wisdom that God hasgiven us, so that we might
present them perfect.
In other words, so that wemight present them in their own
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struggle with the gospel and intheir own struggle with the
Christian life.
We want to disciple them whilethey're here.
That's all about sanctification, discipleship and
sanctification.
So, warning everyone andteaching everyone the word of
God.
We're teaching them thescripture because when they
leave here, we want them to becloser to Jesus but have a a
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stronger understanding of whoChrist is, what he expects from
them.
It's not just a good time with alot of hype and energy.
It's grounded, and so, warningeveryone and teaching everyone
with all wisdom that we maypresent everyone mature in
Christ, that's important.
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The goal of someone who's doingministry is to grow the people
they're ministering to to aplace of maturity.
We see kids grow from Monday toFriday or Monday to Saturday in
a week.
It's never we see them reallymake strides in their growth.
But then, year in and year out,coming back to different events
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, following us on social media,listening to our podcast, our
teaching podcast, listening tothis podcast, the NSR podcast
lots of resources for them togrow mature in their faith.
Um, because that's our ultimategoal.
And then verse 29 says this forthis I toil, struggling with
all his energy that hepowerfully works within me.
We labor, we toll, we work sothat we might equip the church.
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It's a it's a labor of love,but it is hard work to do the
ministry God's called us to andthat's what we're here for.
And it all kicks off today.
Staff Some of them startedcoming in over the weekend.
A lot of them are pouring intoday.
Tonight we will unpack themission statement with them and,
and then next week, in thisepisode I mean in this episode,
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I mean in this, in this podcast,the next episode I'm going to
walk you through um real quickoverview of that mission
statement that we just coveredand then get into how, how that
syncs up with our core valuesand uh, and give you an update
on how the first week went andhow the second week is shaping
up.
So, so excited for where we'reat.
Please pray for us, Please comesee us.
Many of our listeners are goingto be coming to see us over the
next few weeks and I will tellyou the teaching focus for this
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summer is going to be theauthority of Jesus.
We're going to be looking atthat through the lens of Luke's
gospel.
We're going to see Jesus, uh,in his authority over Satan and
demons and the natural order andcreation and hell and your life
and my life, and over physicalillness, and his the authority
over the grave and and and it'sgoing to be, uh, you know, the
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last couple of years we were inthe old Testament two summers
ago, swo, uh, swo, 22.
We looked at um, the life ofDavid, swo 23.
We looked at the gospel inGenesis through the life of
Joseph.
This year we're jumping into thenew Testament.
We're going to consider thelife of Christ and the authority
of Jesus which is coming out ofum.
Uh, you know, we we've done theuh this past winter, at winter
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SWO, we did the miracles ofJesus, miracles of Jesus and
then we've got uh, a follow-upteaching season where we'll be
doing the parables of Jesus.
So really taking SWO 24, all of2024, and really just looking
at the life of Christ, teachingmiracles, ministry and life of
Jesus.
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So we'll be putting out a lotof the content in the weeks and
months ahead and hope that it'llbe super helpful and beneficial
for you in the in the weeks andmonths ahead and hope that
it'll be super helpful andbeneficial for you.
Uh, I'll try to uh also, as inthe next few weeks, give you an
update on where things are withconstruction and the new water
line that that we finally or itlooks like we're getting ready
to be able to put in state andthe County and the town and
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everybody's kind of synced upand it's finally going to happen
, and almost two years ofraising the money and getting it
in place and thought we had itand then had to go back to the
drawing.
But anyway, give you an updateon all that it's happening.
Growth is coming.
We're excited.
God's hand is on this ministry.
Couldn't be more excited andpraising Jesus for what he's
doing in the lives he's carryingto change.
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So please pray for us, praywith us.
And uh, not only do we havecoming up episode on our core
values and drilling a littledeeper into our mission
statement, we also are going tobe looking at the Element
Program.
We're going to have a sit-downconversation with some folks
that have come through theElement Program, the Institute
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Program, and give you a littlebit better understanding of how
those programs work, so excitedfor the lineup we've got coming.
Pray for us, come see us andwe'll talk to you soon.
It's kickoff time, so we'll seeyou next Monday.
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Oh yeah, swo 24,.
It's time for the kickoff.
Here we go.
It's going to be crazy, talkingabout the authority of Jesus.
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This episode of NSR is the SWO24 kickoff, as our staff arrives
today.
So stick around.
I'm excited about this episode.
Thanks for joining us.
I love that.
Well, some of you know most ofour listeners know that I am a
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Virginia Tech Hokies fan, and soif you know anything about
college football, if you're acollege football fan, you know
that the Virginia Tech Hokiesare known for their.
I mean, it's the best entrancein college football and people
might debate that.
But even people that are notvirginia tech fans will admit
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yeah, it's.
It's pretty crazy.
So inner sandman, made famousin the early 90s by metallica
that's their song but butlaunched into superstardom and
legendary status in the world ofvirginia tech football, in the
world of college football.
So so, anyway, it's kickoff time.
That's the theme here.
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Kicking it off today is day oneof the SWO24 staff training
which will take place over thenext two weeks.
Today I just want to kind oftalk about what that looks like
and why we do what we do, theway we do it, methodology, how
we got here, the staff it'sgoing to be awesome, just kind
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of a launch episode for SWO24.
So thank you so much forlistening.
I'm going to give you somethings you can be praying about
for those of you that aresupporters at the end of the
episode.
So let's get into it.
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Welcome to no Sanity Required from the Ministry of
Snowbird Wilderness Outfitters.
A podcast about the Bible,culture and stories from around
the globe.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, we have come to the time where I mean, the
whole year for us revolvesaround the summer program, and
so we've you know, if you're, ifyou're new to this podcast and
you've just tuned in um, I knowa few people that that just
started listening last week andlast week's episode was about,
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just, you know, fightingdiscouragement and staying
positive and and letting theLord guide you through difficult
seasons.
Completely different tone today, completely different direction
for this episode, but it is sofitting that we talk about our
summer staff coming in and whatthe next two weeks of training
are going to look like.
So I want to talk about how wegot to where we're at.
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And first, real quick, ifyou're not familiar with what we
do, nsr is a production ofSnowbird Wilderness Outfitters.
This podcast is a production ofsnowbird wilderness outfitters.
This, this podcast, is aproduction of snowbird
wilderness outfitters, which islocated in Andrews, north
Carolina, just outside of thegreat Smokies national park, and
we are, uh, we're a ministrythat we're a conference and
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retreat center.
Um, we do conferences, camps,we do things for, um, adults, uh
, marriage conferences, men'sconferences, women's conferences
, college conferences, um, we do, uh, events that are geared
towards people that work withyouth or in student ministry.
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But the main, the main, lion'sshare of the traffic that comes
through snowbird outfitters isstudent ministry.
But the main, the main lion'sshare of the traffic that comes
through Snowbird Outfitters isstudent ministry.
So we work with teenagersprimarily and we we jump into
the the cultural current and wehelp students navigate their
Christian faith in a constantlyincreasing current and pressure.
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Um, how do you stay Christianin high school?
How do you stay Christian incollege?
How do you prepare yourselfwhile you're home to leave and
go away?
So we sort of at the center ofthat is our summer camp program.
In the summer the people thatcome to Snowbird are church
youth groups.
During the year we've gotschool groups, public schools,
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private schools.
We do all kinds of things.
We do things that are not asfaith-based, a lot of times
working with public schools,just more activity-driven and
positive influence-driven.
But in the summer it is asummer camp for church youth
groups.
We partner with churches.
One of the lines in our missionstatement is quote to equip the
church, end quote.
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And that's what we're here for.
We're here to partner with andequip the church.
We've been at this for 27 yearsat this location, prior to that
, a few years in studentministry, little and I, my wife
and I and prior to that herfather, who was instrumental in
starting Snowbird was in studentministry going back to the mid
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to late, I think late 80s.
So we're talking gosh.
Close to 40 years of studentministry is driving what we do
here, and we have existed in ourcurrent form for 27 years and
it's what we've done with ourlives.
It's what God called us to at ayoung age.
God gave the vision when I was23 and Little was 22 and went
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and shared it with her folks.
Her dad said man, I've beenpraying about something like
this.
The start to this was we wereworking at a camp in in uh, alta
Vista, virginia, called theMaster's Inn and it was a
smaller camp and it was going.
That camp was going throughundergoing some change in
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leadership and they were lookingfor someone to come in and take
it kind of take it over andmove it in a new direction.
I was working there and so Ireached out to my wife's dad.
I reached out to.
A lot of our listeners wouldknow he was called the big
kahuna and uh and went to bewith the Lord in 2022, but um
was was instrumental in thestartup of snowbird and wouldn't
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happen without him.
Um and was very active atsnowbird until about 2011 or 12,
12, I think.
So for our first 15 years.
He was very, very hands-on andinstrumental in his leadership
early on and visionarycapabilities and giftings were
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so used by the Lord to getSnowbird off the ground and into
the stratosphere of studentministry, to get snowboard off
the ground and and into thestratosphere of student ministry
and and the the background tohow we got here is is so
important because, um, and I'veshared the story before, but
I'll share, uh, just touch onthe highlights of it again today
, and that is uh, there's alesson to be learned here and
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I've uh again, I've covered in acouple of episodes early in our
existence.
I covered this, but I want tojust tell you how we got here in
terms of why we do things theway we do things.
So, when I was about 17, I wentto a youth camp.
It was a church youth camp.
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Now I have two camp experiencesas a kid.
And one was when I was in theseventh grade.
I went to an RA camp which islike a Christian Boy Scout camp
and it was at a place calledBarawala, camp Barawala, right
outside of Hendersonville, northCarolina.
And I can remember that myfondest memory of that week and
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I have shared this before was mydad gave me $10 to spend at
camp that week, which in theearly 80s was a lot of money,
probably be about like getting$30 today.
You know, and I think it was.
He figured $5, you know,today's equivalent would be $5 a
day and I had never my dadnever gave me money to do stuff
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like that.
I had to kind of earn it.
From about sixth or seventhgrade on.
If I wanted to do somethingextracurricular I had to pay my
way and earn the money.
And I remember I was just likein shock, I couldn't believe it
and it was uh anyway.
So I left.
I'll go to camp.
Well, I had seen there was astore called Kmart.
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Some of y'all remember Kmart.
Some of our younger listenersprobably don't.
But Kmart was like um, it waslike Walmart.
But uh, like makes Walmart looklike target.
Uh, like makes Walmart looklike target.
Like makes Walmart look likeuppity, upscale, fancy, you know
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, kind of for suburb people.
Kmart was like you go intoKmart and it looked like the
store had been robbed.
Those shelves were bare,everything was disheveled, kind
of a just a funny store.
It was like an oversized dollargeneral, I guess.
And at Kmart they had thispocket knife that I wanted, and
I wanted it because on the bladeof the pocket knife there was
the picture of the engraving ofa buck, a big buck, a big
10-point buck.
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I was like, ooh, I want to getthat and it was $10.
And so I was like, if I don'tspend any of my money and I get
home on Friday I was going toget home Friday afternoon or
Saturday morning, I don'tremember and on Saturdays we
would go to quote unquote go totown.
We would go to town, we wouldgo to Kmart, we would go.
It was a drive into town maybe20 minutes.
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We would go.
By the way excuse thebackground noise, we are in full
swing getting camp ready, so Ican hear drums going in the
background, I can hear hammersand drills and there's a lot
going on which is exciting.
But you might you might hearsome background noise, but we
would go.
We would go in to town.
So I was thinking I'd get backfrom camp, I can go in and I can
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get this knife and it's goingto be awesome.
So I didn't spend any money.
I remember we go to camp allweek.
We're just having a big time.
I have two memories from campthat I have shared before.
One was this kid named Phillipattacked me and I don't remember
what it was over, but I got ina fight with Phillip.
I didn't really fight back, Iit was.
He was a real small kid and hewas just going crazy, punching
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me and clawing me, anding me andand, uh, I think it was like we
were horse playing in the cabinyou know pillow fighting, horse
playing, you know messingaround and then this kid snapped
and went crazy and I rememberthe the cabin counselor came and
you know, got him, pulled him,pulled him back and we're all
like what?
the heck, you know, this kidjust lost it.
So I remember that.
And then I and he had me.
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I remember I had scratch marksall over me.
And then on the last, oh, andthen I remember one night we're
sitting around the fire andthey're doing guitar, playing
kumbaya sitting around the fireand this song that I knew from
my childhood at church and itwould say, yeah, it was the song
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.
It Only Takes a Spark to get afire going and soon all those
around will warm up and it'sglowing.
I think is how it went.
But it gets to the course andit goes.
I'll shout it from themountaintop, I want the world to
know.
And then it's talking aboutJesus.
And there was this point whereit goes.
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I'll shout it from themountaintop and you're supposed
to stand up and yell praise God,and then he goes.
I want the world to know.
Well, that had been added inlater.
In my church, where I went, wewould sing that song and you
would yell that Well, we gotthere and we're singing at this
campfire and there's maybe 50boys, and it gets to that point.
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I was real bashful, I was veryshy.
And and there's maybe 50 boys,and it gets to that point I was
real bashful, I was very shy andI yell praise God, I was the
only one that did it andeverybody starts laughing.
I remember I was mortified, Iwas so embarrassed.
So I remember that from camp.
And then the other thing is Igot home from camp still had my
$10, didn't buy a snack.
All week they had a shavingcream war in the field and you
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cream war in the field and youcould buy shaving cream for a
dollar and guys were, you know,buying three or four cans big
shaving cream war and afterwardseverybody jumped in the lake.
I'm sure that was good for thefish and the ecosystem, but 50
boys, 100 boys, I don't rememberhow many some you know probably
not more than 100, but um andjust shaving cream war.
I didn't buy shaving cream.
I stood and watched.
And I get home and I get offthe bus and my dad asked me for
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the change Do I have any change?
And he takes my $10.
So I get no money.
I don't go buy the pocket knife, needless to say.
And so it's funny because thenext time I went on a youth
group trip or a church trip orsomething like that is, we went
to, uh, this place calledTweetsie railroad, went to
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Tweetsie railroad and it was aday trip and uh, I think I had.
I think I had $5 or $10 orwhatever.
I spent it all in the firsthour I was there, went straight
to the store, bought some food,got me a souvenir, a hat, you
know, whatever it's like I ain'ttaking no money home because if
I don't spend it I'm going tolose it, and so that's a funny
story.
But anyway, I went.
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My camp experience as a teenageris I went as a 17, probably 16,
17-year-old high school junior.
I went to camp, to a churchcamp, with a group from my
church and my church the youthpastor at my church was not full
time, he just worked in thesummer.
He was the local high schoolfootball coach, um, and he would
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take the youth in the summer.
He would take over and be theyouth pastor and then, um, so we
would have kind of like a youthactivities based youth ministry
program in the summer and wewould do some things with other
churches.
We would have pool parties, wewould go to camp, we would go to
like carowinds or six flags Iremember we went to six flags on
a Braves game one weekend andthen another time we went.
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We went to this camp and therewas only a handful of us that
went to this camp and I go tothis camp and it really impacted
my life and it impacted my life.
There was very little activity.
It was a really small littleassociation camp for this one
little county, but we weren'tfrom that county and all the
other churches that went.
This was called Camp Marietta.
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Some of you will be familiarwith it.
It's in the upstate SouthCarolina, on the North Carolina
South Carolina border, and itwas an associational camp,
meaning it was a camp that wasaffiliated with the Association
of Baptist Churches in thecounty there.
Maybe it was two or threecounties, you know, and it was
their camp and we had come downfrom North Carolina.
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We drove maybe an hour to getdown there.
We were the only church fromNorth Carolina, from our area,
so we didn't know anybody there,didn't know any of the
leadership and the guy that.
There were two guys.
One was named Dan and he wasthe director and he was, you
know, to me seemed like an olderguy.
He was probably just in hisearly to mid, probably mid-30s
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at the time.
And then the other guy wasnamed Beaker, michael Beaks.
I've talked about these guysbefore and both of those guys
really invested in me, investedin everybody, and took real,
genuine personal ownership inthe investment that they made in
the students there.
There was a lady named Angie.
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I remember she was the samewith the girls.
Angie and Beaker were bothschoolteachers during the school
year.
Beaker, I think, ended up goinginto ministry, became a pastor
and then Dan was.
And this one was camps that onlyrun for eight weeks in the
summer and that's it.
They don't do anything the restof the year.
At that time they didn't.
This was late eighties, but therelational impact really
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affected me.
It really impacted me.
Then I went to work.
During college I spent sometime working with Liberty
Expeditions, which was a highadventure camp, and that camp
was run by a man named RobinCarroll.
He's the first person to eversolo the New River and the Upper
Galley River, rather, in WestVirginia, on an oardeck, which
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is boat that, where one man sitson top of the boat and has an
or a long paddle in each hand.
It's called an or deck and heran that.
His first guy to solo it, hisdaughter Shannon Carroll you can
look her up she's.
She's world-class, legendary umpaddler Um, and in the nineties
and early 2000, she was liketop of the paddling game, her,
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her main kayak, um sort of genreor or discipline or whatever
you call it was waterfall drops.
At one point she held the worldrecord for the highest drop off
of a waterfall.
It was like 70 something feetwhich had been broke several
times now.
But, uh, whitewater royalty andI loved working for them.
And there was.
It was a Christian camp butthere was all.
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All the happen was like alittle devotional around the
fire at the end of the day,crazy, crazy experiences with
recreation, so fun in the newriver gorge in West Virginia.
So it was my first two campexperiences.
The first one as a teenager,relational impact.
The second one, uh, as acollege kid, deep, uh deep roots
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in the outdoor recreation sideof things.
I mean like so incredible lifechanging recreational
experiences.
And then the third was rightafter I got married, I went to
work at this camp in Virginiacalled the master's end and what
they did really well they had,they had pretty good recreation.
We, uh, we good rec.
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But it was not like really highlevel, high adventure rec.
But it's just, it was fun, it'sgood.
It was a good blend of, youknow, a camp experience but then
some recreation.
But what I loved about thatplace is the way they taught the
bible.
They're very faithful in theirteaching and handling of the
scripture.
And a guy named Mark Brown,who's a pastor in California now
, was the guy that did the bulkof the speaking and he I just I
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just noticed I didn't know itwas called exposition or
anything like that, I justnoticed he, he handled the
scripture really well.
And so I had these threeexperiences high school
experience, very relationshipheavy and driven and impactful.
College experience wasrecreation and experiential.
And then early formative yearsin ministry, um, learning how to
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teach the Bible.
And so Snowbird's vision anddream was to put all three of
those components together tohave an incredible experience
recreationally, to have a high,high view of scripture and to
teach the Bible expositionally,which is to very faithfully
handle the scripture.
That's important because well,because it's God's word.
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But in student ministry it'sdone poorly.
It historically has been donepoorly a lot in extra parachurch
ministries.
So, like camps, conferences,there's guys that in the 90s and
early 2000s made a huge livingjust going around and speaking
at student events, but typicallythere was not a lot of depth.
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You'd have very dynamicspeakers who were really
engaging and they'd tell greatstories and they'd pull kids in,
get their attention.
A lot of times there was noreal exposition of a biblical
text, and so so at Snowbird itwas like let's take all these
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events.
I mean all these experiences,rather take all these events.
I mean all these experiences,rather.
This thing where, as a teenager,I was impacted relationally,
this thing where, as a collegekid, I saw people's lives
changed through incrediblewhitewater experiences If you
ever run the new river in WestVirginia or the Galley river,
especially in West Virginia,it's, I mean it, those are,
those are experiences you don'tforget.
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I mean it's, it's incredible.
And then, and then my earlycamp experience, uh, after I got
married, which was seeing theword of God handled faithfully,
and uh, so snowbird does thosethree things.
We we want to invest in peoplerelationally.
We want to have an incrediblehigh adventure experience while
while you're here, and then wewant to really teach the word of
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God, and we want to teach itfaithfully, and so that's what
we aim to do.
And so our mission statement isSnowbird Wilderness Outfitters
exists to proclaim the gospel ofJesus Christ through the
exposition of Scripture andpersonal relationships in order
to equip the church in thisgeneration.
So we want to teach the Word ofGod.
We want to invest relationallyin this generation.
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So we want to.
We want to teach the word of God, we want to invest relationally
and we want to, we want to umgive, give students an
incredible experience inrecreation.
So the relationships and therecreation really, they really
compliment one another, becauseyou know kids going down the
river and their guide is someonethat that might be teaching a
breakout session or leading ashare group with them.
And so it's all just kind ofinterwoven, and so that's that's
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kind of the philosophy behindhow we do what we do and that's
the story behind it.
God used everything in my lifeto sort of prepare me for this,
and then, uh, and then there's acool episode, if you go back um
what we'll.
I'll try'll try to tag this one.
Have Maddie put it in the showdescription down at the bottom.
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It's an early episode where Italk about Kahuna's experiences
in construction and inwastewater management and how
the Lord, literally in the 80sand 90s, was using him to learn
how to do the things he wouldneed to do to then you know, the
construction and operations, orthe construction and
infrastructure side of buildinga camp.
It's just cool.
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The Lord prepared so much forus to be here to do this, and I
can remember the first staffthat we ever had.
You know, how are we going toget these people?
Where are we going to get themfrom?
And so I had some friends fromthe master's end come down and
work.
We had one week of camp thatyear.
And so the folks at themaster's end um, jim Sanders is
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a guy that that owned and ranand directed all of that and he
let us borrow some staff to runour first week of camp.
I'd been down here at that pointfor only for a year.
This is crazy.
I'm working at a camp in thesummer of 97.
As soon as it's over, we leavethe master's inn, move down here
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little and I move to theproperty.
Her parents were living down inAtlanta and kind of commuting
back and forth for differentthings.
And then, gosh, it's crazy, thenext summer we had a week of
camp and um, and it was veryeffective and impactful, and
that was with uh a church calledcenter Grove and the, the, the
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student pastors named DavidThompson.
He's now on staff with summitchurch and in the Raleigh Durham
area, and so just a lot of coolhistory there.
And um, man it's.
It's amazing to me that theLord would, um, would start us
as small as we started, wouldbring us up to speed as quick as
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he brought us up to speed.
And what you know, what wasobvious after that first year
was we're going to have to hireour own staff and how are we
going to choose them and how arewe going to train them.
And so the only connections wehad were the Masters Inn and
then Little and I had gone toLiberty.
So we went up to LibertyUniversity and they got a couple
folks to let us come intoclasses and recruit staff and
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from that we hired Zach Mabry,who to this day works here and
he was a college kid.
Zach Mabry, who to this dayworks here and he was a college
kid and he runs our institute,has spearheaded it, has
pioneered the institute Snowbird.
People know that Little and Istarted Snowbird.
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Little and I and her parentsthe four of us started Snowbird.
But, gosh, there's a lot offirsts and startups at Snowbird.
So we have a team here rightnow that you say who started,
when did the camp start, how didthe camp start?
But gosh, there's a lot offirsts and startups at Snowbird.
So we have a team here rightnow that you say who started.
You know, when did the campstart, how did the camp start?
Well, as it is today, thestartup team is all here, zach
being the guy that started theinstitute, spencer Davis being
the guy that started the old,old school program that merged
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into, eventually, the institute.
So we've got this incredibleteam that that, that all that
started in 2000.
And when they came in, we endedup hiring the majority of our
staff that summer from Liberty.
It was crazy because that tripwas and we only needed about 20
folks, um, and I think we hadmaybe 15 of them were from that
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trip to Liberty and just theLord gave us some favor.
And so a lot of times peopleask man, what's up with all the
Liberty people, libertyconnections, liberty roots?
Well, that's what it goes backto.
It's because little and I hadgone to school there and we
hadn't been far removed fromthat, so that was our only
connection for recruiting.
So we went up there to recruitand we got.
We got some staff, had anincredible summer that year and
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that that summer, 2000, was.
So the first year was 98 whenwe borrowed some staff.
99, the staff was still so smallwe were able to put together a
team from First Baptist Church,woodstock, georgia, where we had
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some connections and that'swhere Little's dad had been the
youth pastor, and we were ableto pull it all together.
But in 2000, and in 99, we hada couple Liberty guys, I think
two Liberty guys, four folksfrom Woodstock, four or five.
A guy named Zach Williams whohas had an awesome music career,
has a touring gig deal act,whatever you call it out of
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Nashville.
Not the Zach Williams.
There's two ZachWilliamsesiams's um.
There's one that's tall guywith a beard.
This zach williams, uh, thatworked at snowbird, went on to
to be a founding member of theband called the lone, the lone
bellow um, incredibly gifted,and he was here that summer.
Um, anyway, um that, that nextsummer 2000 was the third summer
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.
We were going to run a full.
The first year we ran one weekand we borrowed staff from the
master's.
In second summer we ran aboutsix or seven, I think seven
weeks.
The third summer we ran nineweeks and we needed a full, a
full size staff.
And, uh, that second summer wehad run six or seven weeks at
like 60 kids a week, um, and hadhad a few weeks of a hundred
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students.
The third year, 2000, we ran.
We ran like 120 people a weekfor eight weeks, I think, um,
something like that it ended upbeing.
If I remember it ended up beinglike 680 people for the summer.
So we had some bigger weeks andwe had some smaller weeks, but
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it came out to like over 100people a week, which was just on
average, which is crazy, and somaybe it was 880.
Maybe it was 880.
And so we were so blessed fromthe Lord to have that small
start but for it to come up tospeed so quickly.
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And we realized through thoseearly years the importance of
investing in our staff.
And what I've seen happen inministries like this is you, you
bring in, through your staffselection, really qualified,
awesome people, but then thework demands are so heavy.
The ministry stress is so heavy.
You know it's 16 hour work dayswith everything from scrubbing
toilets to um, to run inrecreation, to lead in a share
group where you're dealing withheavy theological issues with
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students.
It's a taxing day.
A normal day working atSnowbird is a taxing day.
We don't have downtime, freetime, nap time.
It's get up and hit the groundrunning in the morning.
If you're going to get somequiet time you've got to get up
early before the day gets goingtime.
You got to get up early beforethe day gets going.
And so we've got a structurefor our staff where they're part
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of small group that's part of alittle bit bigger group, of
multiple small groups that'spart of a larger group that's a
family group.
So our staff is structured sothat a person that's serving on
staff is going to, is going tobe invested in, so somebody that
comes here to serve for asummer, we're going to really
invest in their spiritual growthand development.
It's very important that theygrow while they're here and
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rather than that they just getdrained and at the end they got
nothing left to give, we wantthem to be exhausted but
fulfilled and to grow through it, and, and so that's why we do
once we get our staff in playand it's just, it's a typical
application process we recruit.
We've got a team that goes outand recruits.
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They go to conferences anddifferent colleges and college
ministry events and recruit ourstaff.
We have partnerships withSoutheastern, the college at
Southeastern which is part ofSoutheastern Baptist Theological
Seminary.
We have a partnership withLovell College at New Orleans
Baptist Theological Seminary,liberty University, columbia
International University, northGreenville A lot of colleges
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that are Christian schools thatwe're connected with.
We've had students from UnionUniversity and Covenant College
and Cedarville in Ohio, so a lotof Christian schools, and then
Baptist College of Florida isone, and then we get a lot of
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our staff.
Recruitment comes through formercampers, students that grow up
coming to camp here with theiryouth group, and then they come
back and serve when we havethree facets of serving here and
one of those is the elementprogram.
It's actually an acrostic LMNT.
It stands for Leadership,mentorship, next Generation
Training.
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So that's a team that we'retraining and developing as
leaders.
We're mentoring them, we'retraining them to be the next
generation of leaders atSnowbird and they are high
school students, juniors andseniors.
In high school we have ournormal, traditional summer staff
position, which is the folksthat come in are going to work
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with students that come to camp.
And then we have our leadershipinstitute, which is the year
round program that comes out ofthe Element program and the
Summer Staff program.
So in the summer we've gotInstitute students that have
been here for the last year,that are leading small groups of
Summer Staff students andElement team members, and so
we've got 150 people on deck, onthe deck working to pull
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together the ministry operation.
We've got a dozen food serviceemployees, we've got bus drivers
, we've got directors andmanagers over programs.
We've got an operations team.
We've got, you know, ourmaintenance and construction
team is we got, we got highlygifted, highly talented and
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qualified people that domaintenance, construction,
physical development of theministry facility and everybody
comes together for two weeks andwe have staff training.
Now, a little over a month ago,we had our staff orientation
where everyone came in for theweekend, but what's starting
today is staff training wherefor the next two weeks, every
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day, all day, they're going tolearn ministry philosophy,
they're going to learn ministrymethodology.
Uh, next Monday, our nextepisode we'll give you an update
and then we're going to go.
I'm going to walk you throughour core values, as today we're
looking at our mission statementoverview of our mission
statement.
Next week we're going to jumpback into the mission statement
and look at the core values, andthere's two weeks of just
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getting them ready doctrinal andtheological training, make sure
that they're grounded, thattheir foundation is in place.
Each day our staff will meetwith their fire team that
they're a part of, which isthree or four people.
Uh, two to two to three fireteams make up what's called a
community group that meetsweekly, and then two community
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groups, a girl community groupand a guy.
Fire teams and community groupsare gender specific girls and
guys, um, biological, assignedat birth male and female.
When I say gender, I meanexactly what God means by gender
.
There's dudes, there's girls,and we don't cross those lines.
Um, we don't there.
There's no room for that.
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That's just insanity.
We would never be so dishonestwith somebody as to affirm
something that God did notaffirm for them.
So anyway, there, there there'sthat.
Um, I don't know why I feltcompelled to say that, but
nowadays when you use a wordlike gender, it's like what do
you mean by that?
Gender means male or female,whatever God made you.
So we've got girl groups, guygroups.
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So a fire team is three, threeto four folks with a leader,
through two to three fire teams,equal a community group.
So you take one girl communitygroup, one guy community group.
Now you've got about six fireteams.
This is going to make up about24 to 30 people and those two
community groups come togetherto form a family group and then
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that family group will beassigned a full-time staff
family who's sort of like theirhost family.
So the Parkers, the Joneses,the Schwartings, these families
that host community groups andso on the weekends they might
have a cookout once a month orget together.
So there's a strong relationalconnection within the staff,
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because that relationshipcomponent of ministry, if we're
going to relationally connectwith students, we've got to be
relationally connected as a team, and so that's important.
If we're going to be faithfulin how we handle the scripture
with students.
We got to be faithfully.
You know, theological trainingand discipleship has to be
happening as a team.
And then the other piece to thattwo weeks of training is
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recreational training.
If somebody is going to leadcanoe trips all summer, we're
going to teach them how to loadthe trailer, drive the trailer
back the trailer, unload thecanoes into the lake, how to do
a rescue if somebody flips acanoe, how to get a canoe that's
flipped and full of water, howdo you get that emptied when
you're out in the middle of thelake with 150 feet of water and
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depth underneath, you know.
So training um, you're going torun the aerial park or the
climbing tower.
We're going to learn all theknots and ropes and systems, the
harnesses, the, the points ofthe harness, the helmets.
Somebody's going to run the gunrange.
Somebody's going to run whitewater rafting, whatever you're
going to work in, you're goingto work in, you're going to
learn that.
So staff training is thosethree pieces that we're trying
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to hit Relationships, sharedexperiences through recreation
and exposition of scripture.
We're trying to equip our staffduring the two weeks of staff
training to be able to hit allof those points with students.
So the staff training processis super involved and then
during that we're making surethey understand the mission
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statement, the core values, andthat they're ready to execute at
a high level.
That's how it runs and if you'vebeen here, you've seen it and
that all that all makes sense.
If you've never been here, I'dencourage you to go to SW
outfitterscom and check us out,and there's a ton of information
on that website.
John Reagan runs our websiteand does a phenomenal job with
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it.
I drive him crazy, cause everytime I see a typo or a little
glitch or some little piece thatis is not up to date.
I bug him, but he really doesdo a phenomenal job with it.
There's so much to manage andso many moving parts and so many
things that change constantly.
Very appreciative of JohnReagan, the work he puts into
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the website, but it's reallygood.
We just got a facelift on thatabout a month ago, back in April
, and it's very intuitive.
Tons of media content.
You go listen to sermons frompast summers.
You can listen to some stafftraining talks we've done.
I'll, in fact, include in theNSR episode list coming up in
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the next few weeks for some ofthese NSR episodes.
We'll include some of the talksthat we do with the staff.
That'll be awesome.
Our core values are importantand we'll be covering those in
the next episode.
Our core values are importantbecause they sort of they're how
we measure the effectiveness ofstaff.
Are you doing your job well?
Are you hitting all these marksand these markers?
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But the mission statement isthat we exist to proclaim the
gospel of Jesus Christ.
Snowbird Wilderness Outfittersexists.
That's a miracle that we exist.
That's a sovereign hand of Godthat has guided us to the point
that we are a reality.
Snowbird Wilderness Outfittersexists to proclaim the gospel of
Jesus Christ.
We exist to proclaim Christ.
We exist to proclaim Christ, topreach Jesus and his gospel him
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crucified, buried and risen,exalted and enthroned on high
governing nations ruling over afallen earth that he will one
day bring to complete judgmentand or redemption.
And so we preach Christ.
So snowbird, one of hisoutfitters, exists to proclaim
the gospel of Jesus Christthrough the exposition of
scripture.
So the way we handle the wordof God is so critical, um, and
through the exposition ofscripture.
And then we and and personalrelationships.
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We build relationships withpeople because it's much more
effective to minister whenyou've got relational equity.
I'm not saying that before youever share the gospel with
somebody, you need to build arelationship with them.
Not saying that.
But I am saying that the peoplethat you're invested in you're
going to have their ear more.
They're going to be more intune to what you might have to
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say when it comes to the gospel.
And so our mission statementreally drives what we do.
And our mission statement isheld up by a couple of verses in
Colossians Colossians 1, 28 and29.
Those verses say him weproclaim, warning everyone and
teaching everyone.
You see that first line in ourmission statement that we
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proclaim the gospel.
This number of winners,outfitters, exists to proclaim
the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Colossians 128,.
Him we proclaim.
And then it says warningeveryone and teaching everyone.
Warning everyone and teachingeveryone.
So we say um.
Him we proclaim, um holds upthat line in the mission
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statement snubbered outfittersexist to proclaim the gospel of
Jesus Christ through theexposition of scripture.
That is held up by that verse,that line in Colossians one, 28,
29,.
That says warning everyone andteaching everyone.
Um, there's a warning thatcomes with scripture, there's
instruction that comes withscripture.
And so we want to warn andteach.
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We want people to understandthe word of God.
Think about, I'm looking at myBible here.
I'm looking at it in the NLT.
You guys know I love this.
So we tell others about Christ,warning everyone and teaching
everyone with all the wisdom Godhas given us.
Warn and teach with the wisdomGod gives us.
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The Great Commission says thatwe're to go preach the gospel to
all people, baptizing them inthe name of the Father, son,
holy Spirit, teaching them toobserve all that I've commanded
you, teaching them to observeall that I've commanded you.
So gospel ministry has to bedriven by the proclamation of
Jesus and then the instructionof his word to warn, to teach,
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to instruct, to shape, to mold.
And so that's what we seek todo in a week at Snowbird or a
weekend at Snowbird Warningeveryone, teaching everyone with
all the wisdom that God hasgiven us, so that we might
present them perfect.
In other words, so that wemight present them in their own
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struggle with the gospel and intheir own struggle with the
Christian life.
We want to disciple them whilethey're here.
That's all about sanctification, discipleship and
sanctification.
So, warning everyone andteaching everyone the word of
God.
We're teaching them thescripture because when they
leave here, we want them to becloser to Jesus but have a a
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stronger understanding of whoChrist is, what he expects from
them.
It's not just a good time with alot of hype and energy.
It's grounded, and so, warningeveryone and teaching everyone
with all wisdom that we maypresent everyone mature in
Christ, that's important.
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The goal of someone who's doingministry is to grow the people
they're ministering to to aplace of maturity.
We see kids grow from Monday toFriday or Monday to Saturday in
a week.
It's never we see them reallymake strides in their growth.
But then, year in and year out,coming back to different events
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, following us on social media,listening to our podcast, our
teaching podcast, listening tothis podcast, the NSR podcast
lots of resources for them togrow mature in their faith.
Um, because that's our ultimategoal.
And then verse 29 says this forthis I toil, struggling with
all his energy that hepowerfully works within me.
We labor, we toll, we work sothat we might equip the church.
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It's a it's a labor of love,but it is hard work to do the
ministry God's called us to andthat's what we're here for.
And it all kicks off today.
Staff Some of them startedcoming in over the weekend.
A lot of them are pouring intoday.
Tonight we will unpack themission statement with them and,
and then next week, in thisepisode I mean in this episode,
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I mean in this, in this podcast,the next episode I'm going to
walk you through um real quickoverview of that mission
statement that we just coveredand then get into how, how that
syncs up with our core valuesand uh, and give you an update
on how the first week went andhow the second week is shaping
up.
So, so excited for where we'reat.
Please pray for us, Please comesee us.
Many of our listeners are goingto be coming to see us over the
next few weeks and I will tellyou the teaching focus for this
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summer is going to be theauthority of Jesus.
We're going to be looking atthat through the lens of Luke's
gospel.
We're going to see Jesus, uh,in his authority over Satan and
demons and the natural order andcreation and hell and your life
and my life, and over physicalillness, and his the authority
over the grave and and and it'sgoing to be, uh, you know, the
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last couple of years we were inthe old Testament two summers
ago, swo, uh, swo, 22.
We looked at um, the life ofDavid, swo 23.
We looked at the gospel inGenesis through the life of
Joseph.
This year we're jumping into thenew Testament.
We're going to consider thelife of Christ and the authority
of Jesus which is coming out ofum.
Uh, you know, we we've done theuh this past winter, at winter
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SWO, we did the miracles ofJesus, miracles of Jesus and
then we've got uh, a follow-upteaching season where we'll be
doing the parables of Jesus.
So really taking SWO 24, all of2024, and really just looking
at the life of Christ, teachingmiracles, ministry and life of
Jesus.
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So we'll be putting out a lotof the content in the weeks and
months ahead and hope that it'llbe super helpful and beneficial
for you in the in the weeks andmonths ahead and hope that
it'll be super helpful andbeneficial for you.
Uh, I'll try to uh also, as inthe next few weeks, give you an
update on where things are withconstruction and the new water
line that that we finally or itlooks like we're getting ready
to be able to put in state andthe County and the town and
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everybody's kind of synced upand it's finally going to happen
, and almost two years ofraising the money and getting it
in place and thought we had itand then had to go back to the
drawing.
But anyway, give you an updateon all that it's happening.
Growth is coming.
We're excited.
God's hand is on this ministry.
Couldn't be more excited andpraising Jesus for what he's
doing in the lives he's carryingto change.
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So please pray for us, praywith us.
And uh, not only do we havecoming up episode on our core
values and drilling a littledeeper into our mission
statement, we also are going tobe looking at the Element
Program.
We're going to have a sit-downconversation with some folks
that have come through theElement Program, the Institute
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Program, and give you a littlebit better understanding of how
those programs work, so excitedfor the lineup we've got coming.
Pray for us, come see us andwe'll talk to you soon.
It's kickoff time, so we'll seeyou next Monday.
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