October 16, 2023 • 30 mins
In this episode we talk about the pressure to pick sides in complex issues and examine the role of the United States in these ongoing conflicts.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This Reggie atl, coming to you from love city of
Atlanta, georgia, going out tothe always beautiful weather
City of Los Angeles with the nowLewis to know how's it going.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
No, I'm splendid, you know I'm not here enjoying
everything nice, sunny, warm.
I mean, it's winter, so it'swarm.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
What are we guys doing with 70?
There is like 68.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Frigid, frigid 76, I don't oh.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm so glad that you were even able to join us for
this show.
I appreciate you.
You take us some time out there.
Yeah, I should make some othercheck on you first and be like,
hey, I was the weather out thereand if it's, like you know, 73
will we'll schedule for anotherweek, see.
So there's been some crazythings going on around the world
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and and somebody I wasn'treally gonna do a show on On
this particular subject, becausethere's a touchy subject on
both sides of the issue,especially what's going on
Israel, with Israel andPalestine right now, and that's
been, I, kind of an ongoingsituation for anybody's even
remotely paid attention to that.
It's been an ongoing situation,I think, since Israel was
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established here 1947, like it'sbeen on every since then, like
it's been issues every since,every since its inception.
So We'll kind of talk aboutthat a little bit.
I had a coworker who was kind oflike the we're gonna go to war
and it's like it's gonna be thatthis world war and they're just
thinking like the world'salready gonna come to an end and
stuff like that.
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And those are some of myyounger coworkers, I mean he's
coerced like like 19 and 20.
They just like it's over, likeit there's no, there's no reason
to go on.
Have you know?
I know you haven't lived on therock, but not everybody pays
attention to this stuff?
Have you looked into our sceneand get asked up on on the news
and stuff to even watch the news?
And now, not everybody Watchthe news like I do.
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I'm on news junkie.
You watch?
Yeah, I watch.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, I watch news.
I want to be informed aboutwhat's going on, even the good,
the bad, whatever.
But I do know people who willnot watch the news.
I was like, how, like?
How do you, how do you exist?
How are you not?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
right, it's oblivious to stuff, right, it's walking
around.
I mean that must be a nice life, though right to just not know
what's going on ever.
Just know who our lastpresident was like?
Do you even know what that waslike?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Nobody told him.
No, it's weird, I guess Allexposed.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I mean it's it's it's a tragic situation and, you
know, even with the Russian andUkraine situation situation,
because I feel like that's itthat kind of ties in, because
you have all these Factors right, not just what's going on with
Israel and Palestine.
It's not like the RussiaUkraine situation came to a head
, because that's something thatstarted.
It's something that's kind ofongoing as well.
And then you have North Koreasaid they're gonna be probably
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testing news, like they alwayssay.
South Korea said they're likethat they're going to Try to
remove the regime.
If they do, you have all theseissues, you know, and China's
always constant I don't messwith us, no matter what.
So you have all these issueskind of kind of come to a head.
Do you remember a time in ourlifetime where there was just so
much stuff happening at thesame time?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I don't.
I mean, maybe because I wasyounger I was unaware of all of
that, because you know, whenyou're your kid you're like out
of sight, out of mind, you know.
But now it's just, I don't.
I don't feel like there was atime like like we have now.
I have nothing to relate it to.
So I think that's why I'm justlike this is this is kind of
crazy, like this.
Just the last couple of years,the last five years, I just been
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wild right.
Wow, I'm like how are they gonnatell people about this?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's interesting because you think about the
times in the past, right?
So when you think about pasttimes, past wars, past times of
conflict, civil rights era herein the United States and things
like that and even other, you goback to these ancient Eras.
Are they like bubonic plagueand certain things that have
just changed whole, wholecultures and countries and in
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areas and people live throughthem?
You know and you wonder, likeman, what was that like?
But here we are and we're notliving to something like the bug
play, but People and you dohave what hopefully won't be a
world war but a ton of differentongoing conflicts at the same
time.
I don't know if I feel likethis is the closest we've been
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to like an actual war situation,only because we I Don't really
want to say that until itactually happens.
You know to me like I feel likethere's so much with people,
everybody having nukes andeverything.
I think there's like a mutualinterest in that not happening.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What are your no, I would definitely agree, like
self-preservation is the way theUS likes to go.
So I just don't see us reallygoing all out for anything.
But I also think we havedifferent technology available
to us that wasn't around beforeInternet, all the end to cut
things off.
You know there's, there'sdifferent, there's a whole this,
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a whole nother set ofcircumstances that I just think,
even if we did go to pull onmore, it was just I don't know
if it would be the same asbefore.
I mean not that I remember itbefore, but I'm just saying like
, would it be it?
Would it?
It would be Cyber war.
I don't think it would be.
Just, you know boots to theground, all kind of stuff like
drones and everything else.
Like you'd actually you, wemight be shocked to see what the
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US has in store for people,like what they've been working
on in the military and all ofthat, because you know a lot of
that stuff.
They don't really disseminatethat information everybody.
But I'm like we might beshocked to find out like, whoa,
y'all, y'all have thatcapability.
Oh, you could do that like Isthat okay, is this ethical?
I feel like that would reallythat would be the way that the
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US would go and it's a littlescary, it honestly, to see
Distance of a be on the, on theedge of that, like to be so
close to that kind of reality.
It's kind of crazy.
Because then I'm thinking as akid, you never even thought
about that, I wouldn't, thatwould seem so distant right.
Yes, and now it's like it'spresent.
And if you don't watch the news, you don't read these things
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you don't know, educate yourselfon that.
You would have no clue and justbe shocked.
I'm like, oh, what's, what'sthat Something dropping on my
city like oh, they warned uslast week on the news.
You didn't hear about it, boblike.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So do you think to know that, because these things
are, can be very nuanced and andactually no, before I even ask
you that, what question I wasgonna ask you?
There are people that I'vetalked to with the, with the
current situation going on, thatare very passionate on both
sides of that issue.
Have you had anybody in yourlife, or no, anybody like that.
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It was just very Passionateeither.
On the Israel side are verypassionate on the Palestinian
side has been.
Both seem to have sympathizers,no matter what has happened.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, I do, and it's kind of a weird place to be
because I understand theirfeelings on it as far as, like
you know, these are your people,this is your culture, this is,
this is your life and it's sodeeply affected.
But also having the other sideof the coin, being like like
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being Israeli, being Palestinian, and they, like I don't even I
Am not well versed up to reallypick a side on those matter
what's going on with them?
Because it's their life, it'snot mine, you know.
But I also understand likethere's gonna be so many people
affected and Like how do you,how do you come to resolution
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for this kind of thing?
Like there's nothing that'sgonna appease both sides,
because so many people have loststuff and when you're hurt, her
people hurt people correct so IDon't know.
It's hard.
It is hard.
You want to be apathetic.
I want to have a listening ear.
That's like who?
Like Are you there?
Are they gonna force people?
Like you know you got to bewith us or you got to be with
them and that's.
It was like it's so complex.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I Do you think that there's a tasteful way to
discuss these topics withoutsomebody just getting absolutely
upset about it?
Because I think what?
Sometimes you're just at leastwith me.
A lot of times when I'mlistening to people discuss
topics, it's just trying to geta better understanding for their
perspective and for their wayof viewing it, without just
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looking at the news.
You know what I mean.
And then coming to my ownconclusion, because just look at
the news.
I'm still very far from removed,I think, for Americans we've
been very privileged to watchwars because somebody told me
they were like I think we'regoing to war, or they'll know.
Somebody told me that they'retheir parents.
I think we're going to war andI'm like.
You know, we're in America.
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We watch wars here.
We don't go to them.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
We're very third party.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, exactly Like we see it from a distance and
we've had the privilege of beingable to see these things from a
distance.
So when discussing thesesituations with other people, I
try to keep that in mind.
You know what I mean, that I'mjust watching it through a
screen, no matter where thatnews source may be, because I do
like to watch very new sourcesso I can get different
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perspectives.
You know, what you're seeing onCNN is not going to be the same
thing you see on Al Jazeera, soto speak.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
mean Like you're going to see very different
perspectives here.
So what I like to watch is tosee the different perspectives,
because it gives you a morenuance view of things you know
and then you can kind of try tohave these conversations.
Do you think there's a tastefulway to have these conversations
without like disagreements,because it's been troubling for
some people.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
No, because the people, the feelings are always
there and you can't get past it.
So I guess I would pose to youready Is there a way to care for
the people and not the cause?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's interesting because I think so right, like
because the human cost, nomatter what, is catastrophic, so
to speak, like the human costand the cost of having to
rebuild infrastructure and stufflike that and of course you'd
rather buildings be knocked downthan people killed, but at the
same time it does take, it doesaffect their life and their
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livelihood and the way they seeit, there is the hope that some
of these people, in having thesecountries, may be drastically
diminished when everythingaround you is crumbling.
You know what I mean For whatyou feel like your future may be
.
So I think that you can carefor the human cost.
What ends up happening is and Ithink in this situation
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especially, you'll havesomething like Hamas and then
you'll have people identifyingHamas with Palestinian people
and kind of lumping themtogether.
You know what I mean.
And they're not the same thing.
It'd be like a particular groupin the United States and that
group representing the whole ofthe United States.
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You know what I mean.
Just because it's a group thatoriginated in the United States,
it might have nationalist typeviews or whatever kind of views
they have, because they'll havepeople who speak for these
organizations, who come on andspeak and they're given their
perspective for what they thinkthese are.
And I think, ultimately, if thehuman cost is always kind of
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like your North Star, so tospeak, if you're always just
discussing just what that humancost may be, then you're able to
discuss these things a littlebit more.
I kind of agree with you in asense that for people who have
family in either area it's goingto be harder for them, right?
Because it's realer to them.
To us it's just a conversation,you know what I mean.
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We can talk about it, then wecan go on with our lives.
For them it's realer to them,and if they lost somebody,
forget about it, right?
Because if you lost somebodyyou're not in a mood to really
talk because that's been a majorcost that you've got to pay,
your family's paid, you paidfriends, family and emotionally
that you've paid and also justmoving forward.
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In general, it doesn't seemlike there's anything changing
on the horizon soon enough.
Do you see it that way, or isthere anything?
Do you see it coming to aquicker solution?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, I don't.
I think it's because I don'tknow the resources that Hamas
has behind them and I think thatwould play a major role in how
long this is going to be and theoutcome itself.
Who's going to support who?
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Pretty much, and I thinkbecause there's other third
parties that have vestedinterests, this could be a long
drawn out thing.
As to the level and severity ofit, I don't know.
I would hope it would beminimized as far as human cost
and the lives that are impactedand involved and all of that.
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You don't want to see millionslost Nobody wants to see that.
But I really couldn't say rightnow, like I really couldn't say
it's so unpredictable at themoment, because everybody is
saying a lot of things aboutwhat's going on and you see the
TikToks, you see all the videoslike this is what's really
happening or no, this is what'sreally happening.
And then, oh no, this wasdebunked, it wasn't a real.
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There's propaganda and it'slike what do you whirlwind of
information?
How do you say so much time tosift through it all and inform
of the plane after that?
But I would, but then it's hardto say because I would want it
to be short.
But I'm like then again, who'sgoing to win, like who's going
to come out on top?
And then you don't know whatside to go for, or if there even
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is a side.
I mean I guess you could saythe human side, but that's like
that's such a that's on bothsides in it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Right, because that that does.
It's like that.
The non-answer answer rightyeah.
When you know like that and Ican do, people would say that
you, if you were ahead thatperspective, I don't know if
it's actually fair, but Iunderstand it if people feel
like you're waffling when yousay that, but I wouldn't be
personally that would genuinelybe it, because I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I haven't my experience.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I haven't lived it to really be able to give an
educated answer on which side isright, because sometimes it
depends on where you come alongin a conflict.
Right, if you were to see andI'm gonna give the Russian and
Ukraine conflict as an exampleif you were to see Ukraine
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Moving tanks and stuff intoRussia and seeing what the human
cost there is, if you were tosee that now it's more
understandable because you knowRussian, was.
It was there first in Ukraine.
But if you're a person thatdoesn't really understand that
and you only see that and you'renot really educated on how the
situation started, because someof these situations whether
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you're talking about Issuesaround the world or the
situation that's happening withwith Palestine and Israel
started so long ago that it justdepends on where you are caught
up at, like where did you comealong in this in in, in the
whole picture.
So if the whole picture is 70something years or or 60, 50, 60
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, 70 years, the last biggestattack is like big roughly 50
years ago in Israel.
Yeah, you have.
Depending on where you comealong on that timeline, you
might switch to blame or switchyour perspective.
It's depending on where alongon that timeline you come.
So I think that you couldalways care about the people
because, as we are in thiscountry and this is something
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that when, when Trump was ourpresident, you know, people
looked at us as like a countrywhere Trump was our leader,
despite the fact that most humanbeings in our country did not
vote for the guy, but that waslike the representative.
And if you were looked at itfrom the outside of the country,
you might have lumped all thateverybody into that Together.
And I feel like you know init's very easy to do in our
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country to look at othercountries and kind of just lump
them all, like you know.
Well, we'll just lump it alltogether, but it's not
necessarily that easy.
A terrorist organization or anorganization from a place May
not represent what the actualhuman beings there want.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, yeah, they don't speak for everyone.
Um, let me say same thing theykind of do for the black
community.
See that one guy sayingsomething is like up, he's the
leader of them.
Now, we know we just metyesterday, let's reel it in.
But no, I think I candefinitely see and understand
that and I think that's the hardpart right now.
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It was like who everybody'slooking for, who's the voice of
the Palestinian people Outsideof what Hamas is doing there?
Like and then seeing them asseparate, seeing, seeing them
for who they are and whatthey're going through and what
they've been going through.
But it goes back to what you'resaying is like who, who side
are you on?
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Who?
Which one do you support?
You don't know because who youdon't know.
The retaliation about the thing, like who's been retaliating?
It's that we did this becausethey did that, you did this,
they did that.
It was like ever that's beengoing on for so long.
Who knows who was the beginningact, what is the start?
Um, it is so muddy, like, howdo you even begin?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Do you think it's even worth?
Because you see a lot of peopleon social media jumping on one
side or the other right, I standbehind X or I stand behind X or
like whatever side they standbehind.
Do you feel?
And then maybe something aboutthe walk of back, because
they're not really.
You know it was a knee-jerkreaction.
They see the text, see thepictures and stuff like that.
They do a knee-jerk reactionand even though the intent may
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have been there, the way thatthey're going about expressing
that is not necessarily in anintelligent fashion, because
they're not really hip toeverything that's going on.
You know what I mean.
Or the history, you know.
You just listen, look, reactingto everybody else's reaction,
so to speak.
Have you seen any of thatonline?
There have been some of thecelebrities that have been
forced to kind of walk thatstuff back.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, pretty much.
Or people forcing them to saysomething well, you, you're
Palestinian or you're Israeli,so you should be saying
something about this.
And they're like they'reAmerican all their lives.
They're like.
They're like what are we goingto do?
Yes, I support my family living, but it's like what do you want
me to do?
Like I've never been like thatperson before.
So how do you expect me to speakfor these people, have that
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kind of connection with them?
And it's like everybody wantsyou to pick a side and stand on
it with a whole chest and youcan't really do that right now
because once again, it's likenot everybody's well-versed on
what's actually going on.
They're only hearing personalstatements, personal stories and
things like that.
So how can you really beexpected to draw a well-rounded
conclusion as to how you shouldbelieve on something?
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But then it's also like, if youdo say something and you're
like okay, this is what it is, Isupport these people and all
this other stuff, you can'twaffle, because if you go back
they're like well, you're notreally true for the cause and
you're just saying this now justtrying to please everybody, but
then again you can't be neutraleither.
So damned if you knew, damnedif you don't.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, that's true.
And with this this has beencharged, super charged, like
when you look at other conflictsaround the world.
Let's just take South and NorthKorea right, because that's
been a conflict for a while onthe Korean Peninsula and they've
been divided for quite sometime.
So when you look at just that,you either are for the I
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wouldn't say dictatorship, butit's kind of like that.
I want to look at it and seeexactly how that government is
structured, but it's definitelya dictator type government
structure there Communists, Ithink maybe it is with the
official or would be either forthat or democracy.
And there's such a contrastthere between those two right.
So a big contrast between NorthKorea and South Korea and some
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of these other areas and some ofthe other conflicts.
They go a little bit deeper.
Some of them have likereligious undertones and stuff
like that.
It goes so much deeper.
And when it comes to the Israeland Palestine situation, that's
been such a tinderbox for solong.
You know what I mean.
It's been such a divisive issuefor so long.
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Even before this happened, theNL people would get very
passionate about one side or theother when discussing these
things, and maybe social mediamakes it where we all feel like
we just have to contribute to acertain degree.
Right and say something, or wejust come compliance if we're
just silent.
You know, silent compliance.
You're just not saying anything.
But I don't think there'sanything wrong with not talking
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out of turn about things thatyou don't know all the way about
.
I've watched a ton ofdocumentaries on these type of
stuff because I'm a documentaryjunkie, but that doesn't mean I
live it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You know what I mean, like watching a documentary or
something.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's not a lived experience, right, exactly, it's
not like the same, it's notnowhere near the same.
I can know certain thingsbecause it's an interesting
conflict to me, so it'sinteresting to look at, but at
the same time I'm never going tolose the fact that I'm not
there.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'm not having to deal with the real world
consequences of this issue.
So me just running out andsaying, hey, I support one or
the other, I'm like an idiot.
You can have an awareness.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Right, like a skin, like a very thin layer of
awareness.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I feel like in all of the other conflicts, that will
most recent conflicts that we'veseen, it's been a clear this is
bad and this is good.
Because you see the Russia, yousee the Korean stuff for years,
right, and you've heard, russiais bad.
You see the North Korea stuffthey're the social estate and
one party and they're bad.
We don't go with them andthat's been.
It's easier for Americans toget behind that because that's
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what the rhetoric has been forso long, versus what's going on
with Palestine and for thePalestinians and the Israelis,
we don't know.
Because you see the stuff yousee in documentaries, you see
the Tik Toks, all the kind ofstuff in social media that's
kind of showed you like it'shumanized these people and
because of that it's been harderfor us to pick a clear like no,
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this is bad, no, this is good.
Because you see that actuallyit's hard to separate the people
themselves from what their,their governments or everything
else is doing.
So when you see that is likewell, I see these people as
humans, as living their lives,just trying to, you know, make a
living, just trying to get by,trying to survive, trying to
make sure they got food, water,all kind of take care of their
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families, and then you see howthey are mistreated and
disrespected and not supportedor the government's picking one
side or the other type stuff andit's hard to really boost one
side without like no puttingdown the other side.
And it's really hard to pick aside for for something like that
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because, like I said, it goesback to it's not my lived
experience.
I'm not well versed ineverything that's going on, but
I do see these people as peopleso it's like you don't want them
to get hurt.
I know all anything Live withthe trauma, the PTSD, the lost
loved ones, all of that.
I mean.
If you've gone through loss,you know, understand how that is
, in grief and pain and and thenjust wanted to get by and
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survive in the world.
It's already hard enough.
It's so complicated.
Right now it's like it's aweird time to be around and see.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It is.
It is because I think that alsoit's the you just touched on
something that a difference isthe, the sea part.
There's so many different waysto see that.
Lived experience now, so youbefore, when we read one of
these other wars, I feel likeI'm seeing more about World War,
the world, the World War II andstuff like that.
Now that some of the stuff iscoming out and they're read,
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they're re doing the footage andcolor and all that stuff, I
feel like we, being so farremoved, are actually seeing
more of it than some of thepeople who were living at that
time because there weren't asmany mediums to see it.
We can now we can go on likeYouTube and see what happened in
several wars, right, we can goback to certain documentaries
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and a lot of footage that youcan go and see now that people
from a technological standpointback in the day just weren't
able to see.
And in this particular case,with social media, you get to
see the real world?
We don't we don't have to talkto nobody, right?
Like, yeah, like you, therethey are, they're live streaming
from where they are.
Like you don't have to like, goto a reporter, you don't have
to go to a news organization,you can literally go to social
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media and see some of theatrocities.
And I think that the humanitypart is the tie that binds, so
to speak, because that's thepart that's.
That's on both sides.
There's humanity andcatastrophic loss on both sides
of the issue, no matter whereyou stand.
I think that's a horriblesituation.
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Do you think there's any way,because, people, it's a very
polarizing issue.
Is there any way to bringanybody to the other side of
that issue?
I've seen several of over theweekend.
There's been several of marchesand stuff like that that may
happen in different cities, instates, here, and they'll be
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support on both sides of thesethings.
Do you think there's any way toever just have that, I want to
say like a unifying, becausethis is not like a kumbaya, I
don't want to like you know Idon't do that.
It's so once the bloodshed hashappened?
I'm kind of answering my ownquestion here, because once the
bloodshed has happened and onceyou've had it, where one just
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just giving their perspective,from what I've seen One person
from Palestine, they were on anews organization and they were
expressing that they feel likethey're in the largest open air
prison.
You know what I mean.
If they can't do anything,can't go anywhere, if they're
oppressed, feel like they'rebeing occupied and stuff like
that.
And then you have the otherside where they'll come on and
(25:56):
it's for, like you know,straight up, like they just been
murdering.
You know they want to murderall of us all together, though
there's no real prospect ofpeace at all.
So, apart, does the country,the US, have to play in any of
this?
And a lot of times people lookat these situations around the
(26:19):
world and I'm going to separatethe Russia Ukraine situation,
because I definitely feel likewe would rather fight that war
with our money than our soldiers.
If we could support and sendweapons and fighters to Ukraine,
it's definitely better thansending human beings to Ukraine.
And the Ukraine situation hadshades of what?
(26:41):
Of Nazi Germany, because that'swhat Hitler did back in the day
.
He took over certain areas.
He annexed certain areas, tookover certain areas until it
couldn't be ignored anymore at acertain point.
I'm not saying that that's whatVladimir Putin would have done,
but I think that once it's done, once, once you kind of see it
being what we did see back inwith the Nazi Germany situation,
people have a heightened senseof we need to do something about
(27:02):
it as soon as you see any kindof scintilla of it.
It's very different than what'sgoing on in the Palestine Israel
situation and especially giventhat Israel is a friendly
country, a ally, so to speak, tothe United States, and people
are like I don't know why we'resending money and that's what
I've got some coworkers likethey really, really infuriates
(27:24):
me that we're sending money toIsrael and I get both sides.
I understand that because youfeel like they may be sending
money to Israel, support Israel,and in turn they're using that
support to kill human beings onthe other side and you feel like
you're you kind of have some ofthat blood on your hand.
Understandable perspective fromthat side of things and from
the other side of things, toknow you.
(27:45):
This is kind of the way itworks with other countries, when
your allies with othercountries and they get into
conflicts, you're kind ofobligated to come to their aid.
That's the point, like if youdon't come to their aid when
there's conflict, there's nopoint to be an ally.
You know what I mean?
Like that's kind of what it,what it entails, puts the US in
a crazy situation.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
No, I would.
It does put us in a reallycrazy situation, but it I feel
like that's what we factored inwhen we became allies with him,
and that's almost like yourcountry is picking a side for
you.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
And that's an interesting perspective.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's hard to go for the other side when that's what
you see it was like.
Well, my government think thisis good, so I'm going to go
along with what they think andgo from there and seeing or
hearing what's going on to thePalestinians as far as being
corralled and cornered andalmost squeezed out.
I can understand that aspect ofit and how frustrating that is,
(28:48):
how infuriating and howaggravating that can be,
Especially when growing up inthe US and how they've treated
their minority groups andeverything else.
Yeah absolutely so I get it, andespecially when it comes to the
propaganda of things andwanting to seem like, no, we're
the good side and we're doingeverything right, we're just
complaining, or just doinglittle things and being extra or
(29:09):
whatever, and I was like, no,there's truth in there.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You're right, there's some substance to that.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You know what I mean?
Yes, and it's like how do youchoose a side when both of them
are right and who becomes amediator as an ally is that our
role is to be the mediator andkind of settle things.
But I feel like, like you saidbefore, nothing is ever going to
settle this, because there'sbeen blood loss, there's been or
there's been lives lost,there's been so much hurt and
(29:38):
anger and frustration, and soyou're never going to appease
everyone.
So how do you, how do you evenwork that out?
Like what's the beginning ofthat?
I'd hate to be negotiated inthis whole process.
Like I quit, I'm done.
Somebody else take over.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
It definitely seems like there's no real like right
answer there and I think that'sjust due to the heavily nuanced
situation here and to somepeople on one side.
They don't think it's nuancedat all, they think it's very
clear cut, so that just makesthings more complicated.
We have two sides of the fight.
They have a very clear cutperspective, yeah, and they
(30:16):
don't really want to move offthat.
I definitely appreciate youtaking some time out to join us
on a little bit of a heaviersubject.
We'll get back to maybe fun orfun or subjects next time, but I
appreciate you taking some timehere to know.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
No, thank you for having me.
This is definitely somethingthat is crazy for the times that
we live in, and we'll see howit plays out in the future.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
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This Reggie atl, coming to you from love city of
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City of Los Angeles with the nowLewis to know how's it going.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
No, I'm splendid, you know I'm not here enjoying
everything nice, sunny, warm.
I mean, it's winter, so it'swarm.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
What are we guys doing with 70?
There is like 68.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Frigid, frigid 76, I don't oh.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm so glad that you were even able to join us for
this show.
I appreciate you.
You take us some time out there.
Yeah, I should make some othercheck on you first and be like,
hey, I was the weather out thereand if it's, like you know, 73
will we'll schedule for anotherweek, see.
So there's been some crazythings going on around the world
(00:50):
and and somebody I wasn'treally gonna do a show on On
this particular subject, becausethere's a touchy subject on
both sides of the issue,especially what's going on
Israel, with Israel andPalestine right now, and that's
been, I, kind of an ongoingsituation for anybody's even
remotely paid attention to that.
It's been an ongoing situation,I think, since Israel was
(01:12):
established here 1947, like it'sbeen on every since then, like
it's been issues every since,every since its inception.
So We'll kind of talk aboutthat a little bit.
I had a coworker who was kind oflike the we're gonna go to war
and it's like it's gonna be thatthis world war and they're just
thinking like the world'salready gonna come to an end and
stuff like that.
(01:32):
And those are some of myyounger coworkers, I mean he's
coerced like like 19 and 20.
They just like it's over, likeit there's no, there's no reason
to go on.
Have you know?
I know you haven't lived on therock, but not everybody pays
attention to this stuff?
Have you looked into our sceneand get asked up on on the news
and stuff to even watch the news?
And now, not everybody Watchthe news like I do.
(01:53):
I'm on news junkie.
You watch?
Yeah, I watch.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, I watch news.
I want to be informed aboutwhat's going on, even the good,
the bad, whatever.
But I do know people who willnot watch the news.
I was like, how, like?
How do you, how do you exist?
How are you not?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
right, it's oblivious to stuff, right, it's walking
around.
I mean that must be a nice life, though right to just not know
what's going on ever.
Just know who our lastpresident was like?
Do you even know what that waslike?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Nobody told him.
No, it's weird, I guess Allexposed.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I mean it's it's it's a tragic situation and, you
know, even with the Russian andUkraine situation situation,
because I feel like that's itthat kind of ties in, because
you have all these Factors right, not just what's going on with
Israel and Palestine.
It's not like the RussiaUkraine situation came to a head
, because that's something thatstarted.
It's something that's kind ofongoing as well.
And then you have North Koreasaid they're gonna be probably
(02:46):
testing news, like they alwayssay.
South Korea said they're likethat they're going to Try to
remove the regime.
If they do, you have all theseissues, you know, and China's
always constant I don't messwith us, no matter what.
So you have all these issueskind of kind of come to a head.
Do you remember a time in ourlifetime where there was just so
much stuff happening at thesame time?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I don't.
I mean, maybe because I wasyounger I was unaware of all of
that, because you know, whenyou're your kid you're like out
of sight, out of mind, you know.
But now it's just, I don't.
I don't feel like there was atime like like we have now.
I have nothing to relate it to.
So I think that's why I'm justlike this is this is kind of
crazy, like this.
Just the last couple of years,the last five years, I just been
(03:28):
wild right.
Wow, I'm like how are they gonnatell people about this?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's interesting because you think about the
times in the past, right?
So when you think about pasttimes, past wars, past times of
conflict, civil rights era herein the United States and things
like that and even other, you goback to these ancient Eras.
Are they like bubonic plagueand certain things that have
just changed whole, wholecultures and countries and in
(03:54):
areas and people live throughthem?
You know and you wonder, likeman, what was that like?
But here we are and we're notliving to something like the bug
play, but People and you dohave what hopefully won't be a
world war but a ton of differentongoing conflicts at the same
time.
I don't know if I feel likethis is the closest we've been
(04:20):
to like an actual war situation,only because we I Don't really
want to say that until itactually happens.
You know to me like I feel likethere's so much with people,
everybody having nukes andeverything.
I think there's like a mutualinterest in that not happening.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What are your no, I would definitely agree, like
self-preservation is the way theUS likes to go.
So I just don't see us reallygoing all out for anything.
But I also think we havedifferent technology available
to us that wasn't around beforeInternet, all the end to cut
things off.
You know there's, there'sdifferent, there's a whole this,
(04:57):
a whole nother set ofcircumstances that I just think,
even if we did go to pull onmore, it was just I don't know
if it would be the same asbefore.
I mean not that I remember itbefore, but I'm just saying like
, would it be it?
Would it?
It would be Cyber war.
I don't think it would be.
Just, you know boots to theground, all kind of stuff like
drones and everything else.
Like you'd actually you, wemight be shocked to see what the
(05:21):
US has in store for people,like what they've been working
on in the military and all ofthat, because you know a lot of
that stuff.
They don't really disseminatethat information everybody.
But I'm like we might beshocked to find out like, whoa,
y'all, y'all have thatcapability.
Oh, you could do that like Isthat okay, is this ethical?
I feel like that would reallythat would be the way that the
(05:42):
US would go and it's a littlescary, it honestly, to see
Distance of a be on the, on theedge of that, like to be so
close to that kind of reality.
It's kind of crazy.
Because then I'm thinking as akid, you never even thought
about that, I wouldn't, thatwould seem so distant right.
Yes, and now it's like it'spresent.
And if you don't watch the news, you don't read these things
(06:03):
you don't know, educate yourselfon that.
You would have no clue and justbe shocked.
I'm like, oh, what's, what'sthat Something dropping on my
city like oh, they warned uslast week on the news.
You didn't hear about it, boblike.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So do you think to know that, because these things
are, can be very nuanced and andactually no, before I even ask
you that, what question I wasgonna ask you?
There are people that I'vetalked to with the, with the
current situation going on, thatare very passionate on both
sides of that issue.
Have you had anybody in yourlife, or no, anybody like that.
(06:38):
It was just very Passionateeither.
On the Israel side are verypassionate on the Palestinian
side has been.
Both seem to have sympathizers,no matter what has happened.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, I do, and it's kind of a weird place to be
because I understand theirfeelings on it as far as, like
you know, these are your people,this is your culture, this is,
this is your life and it's sodeeply affected.
But also having the other sideof the coin, being like like
(07:11):
being Israeli, being Palestinian, and they, like I don't even I
Am not well versed up to reallypick a side on those matter
what's going on with them?
Because it's their life, it'snot mine, you know.
But I also understand likethere's gonna be so many people
affected and Like how do you,how do you come to resolution
(07:33):
for this kind of thing?
Like there's nothing that'sgonna appease both sides,
because so many people have loststuff and when you're hurt, her
people hurt people correct so IDon't know.
It's hard.
It is hard.
You want to be apathetic.
I want to have a listening ear.
That's like who?
Like Are you there?
Are they gonna force people?
Like you know you got to bewith us or you got to be with
them and that's.
It was like it's so complex.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I Do you think that there's a tasteful way to
discuss these topics withoutsomebody just getting absolutely
upset about it?
Because I think what?
Sometimes you're just at leastwith me.
A lot of times when I'mlistening to people discuss
topics, it's just trying to geta better understanding for their
perspective and for their wayof viewing it, without just
(08:17):
looking at the news.
You know what I mean.
And then coming to my ownconclusion, because just look at
the news.
I'm still very far from removed,I think, for Americans we've
been very privileged to watchwars because somebody told me
they were like I think we'regoing to war, or they'll know.
Somebody told me that they'retheir parents.
I think we're going to war andI'm like.
You know, we're in America.
(08:37):
We watch wars here.
We don't go to them.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
We're very third party.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, exactly Like we see it from a distance and
we've had the privilege of beingable to see these things from a
distance.
So when discussing thesesituations with other people, I
try to keep that in mind.
You know what I mean, that I'mjust watching it through a
screen, no matter where thatnews source may be, because I do
like to watch very new sourcesso I can get different
(09:02):
perspectives.
You know, what you're seeing onCNN is not going to be the same
thing you see on Al Jazeera, soto speak.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
mean Like you're going to see very different
perspectives here.
So what I like to watch is tosee the different perspectives,
because it gives you a morenuance view of things you know
and then you can kind of try tohave these conversations.
Do you think there's a tastefulway to have these conversations
without like disagreements,because it's been troubling for
some people.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
No, because the people, the feelings are always
there and you can't get past it.
So I guess I would pose to youready Is there a way to care for
the people and not the cause?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's interesting because I think so right, like
because the human cost, nomatter what, is catastrophic, so
to speak, like the human costand the cost of having to
rebuild infrastructure and stufflike that and of course you'd
rather buildings be knocked downthan people killed, but at the
same time it does take, it doesaffect their life and their
(10:03):
livelihood and the way they seeit, there is the hope that some
of these people, in having thesecountries, may be drastically
diminished when everythingaround you is crumbling.
You know what I mean For whatyou feel like your future may be
.
So I think that you can carefor the human cost.
What ends up happening is and Ithink in this situation
(10:25):
especially, you'll havesomething like Hamas and then
you'll have people identifyingHamas with Palestinian people
and kind of lumping themtogether.
You know what I mean.
And they're not the same thing.
It'd be like a particular groupin the United States and that
group representing the whole ofthe United States.
(10:47):
You know what I mean.
Just because it's a group thatoriginated in the United States,
it might have nationalist typeviews or whatever kind of views
they have, because they'll havepeople who speak for these
organizations, who come on andspeak and they're given their
perspective for what they thinkthese are.
And I think, ultimately, if thehuman cost is always kind of
(11:09):
like your North Star, so tospeak, if you're always just
discussing just what that humancost may be, then you're able to
discuss these things a littlebit more.
I kind of agree with you in asense that for people who have
family in either area it's goingto be harder for them, right?
Because it's realer to them.
To us it's just a conversation,you know what I mean.
(11:30):
We can talk about it, then wecan go on with our lives.
For them it's realer to them,and if they lost somebody,
forget about it, right?
Because if you lost somebodyyou're not in a mood to really
talk because that's been a majorcost that you've got to pay,
your family's paid, you paidfriends, family and emotionally
that you've paid and also justmoving forward.
(11:52):
In general, it doesn't seemlike there's anything changing
on the horizon soon enough.
Do you see it that way, or isthere anything?
Do you see it coming to aquicker solution?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, I don't.
I think it's because I don'tknow the resources that Hamas
has behind them and I think thatwould play a major role in how
long this is going to be and theoutcome itself.
Who's going to support who?
(12:28):
Pretty much, and I thinkbecause there's other third
parties that have vestedinterests, this could be a long
drawn out thing.
As to the level and severity ofit, I don't know.
I would hope it would beminimized as far as human cost
and the lives that are impactedand involved and all of that.
(12:49):
You don't want to see millionslost Nobody wants to see that.
But I really couldn't say rightnow, like I really couldn't say
it's so unpredictable at themoment, because everybody is
saying a lot of things aboutwhat's going on and you see the
TikToks, you see all the videoslike this is what's really
happening or no, this is what'sreally happening.
And then, oh no, this wasdebunked, it wasn't a real.
(13:10):
There's propaganda and it'slike what do you whirlwind of
information?
How do you say so much time tosift through it all and inform
of the plane after that?
But I would, but then it's hardto say because I would want it
to be short.
But I'm like then again, who'sgoing to win, like who's going
to come out on top?
And then you don't know whatside to go for, or if there even
(13:36):
is a side.
I mean I guess you could saythe human side, but that's like
that's such a that's on bothsides in it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Right, because that that does.
It's like that.
The non-answer answer rightyeah.
When you know like that and Ican do, people would say that
you, if you were ahead thatperspective, I don't know if
it's actually fair, but Iunderstand it if people feel
like you're waffling when yousay that, but I wouldn't be
personally that would genuinelybe it, because I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I haven't my experience.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I haven't lived it to really be able to give an
educated answer on which side isright, because sometimes it
depends on where you come alongin a conflict.
Right, if you were to see andI'm gonna give the Russian and
Ukraine conflict as an exampleif you were to see Ukraine
(14:24):
Moving tanks and stuff intoRussia and seeing what the human
cost there is, if you were tosee that now it's more
understandable because you knowRussian, was.
It was there first in Ukraine.
But if you're a person thatdoesn't really understand that
and you only see that and you'renot really educated on how the
situation started, because someof these situations whether
(14:46):
you're talking about Issuesaround the world or the
situation that's happening withwith Palestine and Israel
started so long ago that it justdepends on where you are caught
up at, like where did you comealong in this in in, in the
whole picture.
So if the whole picture is 70something years or or 60, 50, 60
(15:07):
, 70 years, the last biggestattack is like big roughly 50
years ago in Israel.
Yeah, you have.
Depending on where you comealong on that timeline, you
might switch to blame or switchyour perspective.
It's depending on where alongon that timeline you come.
So I think that you couldalways care about the people
because, as we are in thiscountry and this is something
(15:30):
that when, when Trump was ourpresident, you know, people
looked at us as like a countrywhere Trump was our leader,
despite the fact that most humanbeings in our country did not
vote for the guy, but that waslike the representative.
And if you were looked at itfrom the outside of the country,
you might have lumped all thateverybody into that Together.
And I feel like you know init's very easy to do in our
(15:54):
country to look at othercountries and kind of just lump
them all, like you know.
Well, we'll just lump it alltogether, but it's not
necessarily that easy.
A terrorist organization or anorganization from a place May
not represent what the actualhuman beings there want.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, yeah, they don't speak for everyone.
Um, let me say same thing theykind of do for the black
community.
See that one guy sayingsomething is like up, he's the
leader of them.
Now, we know we just metyesterday, let's reel it in.
But no, I think I candefinitely see and understand
that and I think that's the hardpart right now.
(16:33):
It was like who everybody'slooking for, who's the voice of
the Palestinian people Outsideof what Hamas is doing there?
Like and then seeing them asseparate, seeing, seeing them
for who they are and whatthey're going through and what
they've been going through.
But it goes back to what you'resaying is like who, who side
are you on?
(16:53):
Who?
Which one do you support?
You don't know because who youdon't know.
The retaliation about the thing, like who's been retaliating?
It's that we did this becausethey did that, you did this,
they did that.
It was like ever that's beengoing on for so long.
Who knows who was the beginningact, what is the start?
Um, it is so muddy, like, howdo you even begin?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Do you think it's even worth?
Because you see a lot of peopleon social media jumping on one
side or the other right, I standbehind X or I stand behind X or
like whatever side they standbehind.
Do you feel?
And then maybe something aboutthe walk of back, because
they're not really.
You know it was a knee-jerkreaction.
They see the text, see thepictures and stuff like that.
They do a knee-jerk reactionand even though the intent may
(17:36):
have been there, the way thatthey're going about expressing
that is not necessarily in anintelligent fashion, because
they're not really hip toeverything that's going on.
You know what I mean.
Or the history, you know.
You just listen, look, reactingto everybody else's reaction,
so to speak.
Have you seen any of thatonline?
There have been some of thecelebrities that have been
forced to kind of walk thatstuff back.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, pretty much.
Or people forcing them to saysomething well, you, you're
Palestinian or you're Israeli,so you should be saying
something about this.
And they're like they'reAmerican all their lives.
They're like.
They're like what are we goingto do?
Yes, I support my family living, but it's like what do you want
me to do?
Like I've never been like thatperson before.
So how do you expect me to speakfor these people, have that
(18:19):
kind of connection with them?
And it's like everybody wantsyou to pick a side and stand on
it with a whole chest and youcan't really do that right now
because once again, it's likenot everybody's well-versed on
what's actually going on.
They're only hearing personalstatements, personal stories and
things like that.
So how can you really beexpected to draw a well-rounded
conclusion as to how you shouldbelieve on something?
(18:41):
But then it's also like, if youdo say something and you're
like okay, this is what it is, Isupport these people and all
this other stuff, you can'twaffle, because if you go back
they're like well, you're notreally true for the cause and
you're just saying this now justtrying to please everybody, but
then again you can't be neutraleither.
So damned if you knew, damnedif you don't.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, that's true.
And with this this has beencharged, super charged, like
when you look at other conflictsaround the world.
Let's just take South and NorthKorea right, because that's
been a conflict for a while onthe Korean Peninsula and they've
been divided for quite sometime.
So when you look at just that,you either are for the I
(19:27):
wouldn't say dictatorship, butit's kind of like that.
I want to look at it and seeexactly how that government is
structured, but it's definitelya dictator type government
structure there Communists, Ithink maybe it is with the
official or would be either forthat or democracy.
And there's such a contrastthere between those two right.
So a big contrast between NorthKorea and South Korea and some
(19:48):
of these other areas and some ofthe other conflicts.
They go a little bit deeper.
Some of them have likereligious undertones and stuff
like that.
It goes so much deeper.
And when it comes to the Israeland Palestine situation, that's
been such a tinderbox for solong.
You know what I mean.
It's been such a divisive issuefor so long.
(20:11):
Even before this happened, theNL people would get very
passionate about one side or theother when discussing these
things, and maybe social mediamakes it where we all feel like
we just have to contribute to acertain degree.
Right and say something, or wejust come compliance if we're
just silent.
You know, silent compliance.
You're just not saying anything.
But I don't think there'sanything wrong with not talking
(20:36):
out of turn about things thatyou don't know all the way about
.
I've watched a ton ofdocumentaries on these type of
stuff because I'm a documentaryjunkie, but that doesn't mean I
live it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You know what I mean, like watching a documentary or
something.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's not a lived experience, right, exactly, it's
not like the same, it's notnowhere near the same.
I can know certain thingsbecause it's an interesting
conflict to me, so it'sinteresting to look at, but at
the same time I'm never going tolose the fact that I'm not
there.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'm not having to deal with the real world
consequences of this issue.
So me just running out andsaying, hey, I support one or
the other, I'm like an idiot.
You can have an awareness.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Right, like a skin, like a very thin layer of
awareness.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I feel like in all of the other conflicts, that will
most recent conflicts that we'veseen, it's been a clear this is
bad and this is good.
Because you see the Russia, yousee the Korean stuff for years,
right, and you've heard, russiais bad.
You see the North Korea stuffthey're the social estate and
one party and they're bad.
We don't go with them andthat's been.
It's easier for Americans toget behind that because that's
(21:46):
what the rhetoric has been forso long, versus what's going on
with Palestine and for thePalestinians and the Israelis,
we don't know.
Because you see the stuff yousee in documentaries, you see
the Tik Toks, all the kind ofstuff in social media that's
kind of showed you like it'shumanized these people and
because of that it's been harderfor us to pick a clear like no,
(22:09):
this is bad, no, this is good.
Because you see that actuallyit's hard to separate the people
themselves from what their,their governments or everything
else is doing.
So when you see that is likewell, I see these people as
humans, as living their lives,just trying to, you know, make a
living, just trying to get by,trying to survive, trying to
make sure they got food, water,all kind of take care of their
(22:30):
families, and then you see howthey are mistreated and
disrespected and not supportedor the government's picking one
side or the other type stuff andit's hard to really boost one
side without like no puttingdown the other side.
And it's really hard to pick aside for for something like that
(22:53):
because, like I said, it goesback to it's not my lived
experience.
I'm not well versed ineverything that's going on, but
I do see these people as peopleso it's like you don't want them
to get hurt.
I know all anything Live withthe trauma, the PTSD, the lost
loved ones, all of that.
I mean.
If you've gone through loss,you know, understand how that is
, in grief and pain and and thenjust wanted to get by and
(23:14):
survive in the world.
It's already hard enough.
It's so complicated.
Right now it's like it's aweird time to be around and see.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It is.
It is because I think that alsoit's the you just touched on
something that a difference isthe, the sea part.
There's so many different waysto see that.
Lived experience now, so youbefore, when we read one of
these other wars, I feel likeI'm seeing more about World War,
the world, the World War II andstuff like that.
Now that some of the stuff iscoming out and they're read,
(23:46):
they're re doing the footage andcolor and all that stuff, I
feel like we, being so farremoved, are actually seeing
more of it than some of thepeople who were living at that
time because there weren't asmany mediums to see it.
We can now we can go on likeYouTube and see what happened in
several wars, right, we can goback to certain documentaries
(24:07):
and a lot of footage that youcan go and see now that people
from a technological standpointback in the day just weren't
able to see.
And in this particular case,with social media, you get to
see the real world?
We don't we don't have to talkto nobody, right?
Like, yeah, like you, therethey are, they're live streaming
from where they are.
Like you don't have to like, goto a reporter, you don't have
to go to a news organization,you can literally go to social
(24:29):
media and see some of theatrocities.
And I think that the humanitypart is the tie that binds, so
to speak, because that's thepart that's.
That's on both sides.
There's humanity andcatastrophic loss on both sides
of the issue, no matter whereyou stand.
I think that's a horriblesituation.
(24:50):
Do you think there's any way,because, people, it's a very
polarizing issue.
Is there any way to bringanybody to the other side of
that issue?
I've seen several of over theweekend.
There's been several of marchesand stuff like that that may
happen in different cities, instates, here, and they'll be
(25:11):
support on both sides of thesethings.
Do you think there's any way toever just have that, I want to
say like a unifying, becausethis is not like a kumbaya, I
don't want to like you know Idon't do that.
It's so once the bloodshed hashappened?
I'm kind of answering my ownquestion here, because once the
bloodshed has happened and onceyou've had it, where one just
(25:34):
just giving their perspective,from what I've seen One person
from Palestine, they were on anews organization and they were
expressing that they feel likethey're in the largest open air
prison.
You know what I mean.
If they can't do anything,can't go anywhere, if they're
oppressed, feel like they'rebeing occupied and stuff like
that.
And then you have the otherside where they'll come on and
(25:56):
it's for, like you know,straight up, like they just been
murdering.
You know they want to murderall of us all together, though
there's no real prospect ofpeace at all.
So, apart, does the country,the US, have to play in any of
this?
And a lot of times people lookat these situations around the
(26:19):
world and I'm going to separatethe Russia Ukraine situation,
because I definitely feel likewe would rather fight that war
with our money than our soldiers.
If we could support and sendweapons and fighters to Ukraine,
it's definitely better thansending human beings to Ukraine.
And the Ukraine situation hadshades of what?
(26:41):
Of Nazi Germany, because that'swhat Hitler did back in the day
.
He took over certain areas.
He annexed certain areas, tookover certain areas until it
couldn't be ignored anymore at acertain point.
I'm not saying that that's whatVladimir Putin would have done,
but I think that once it's done, once, once you kind of see it
being what we did see back inwith the Nazi Germany situation,
people have a heightened senseof we need to do something about
(27:02):
it as soon as you see any kindof scintilla of it.
It's very different than what'sgoing on in the Palestine Israel
situation and especially giventhat Israel is a friendly
country, a ally, so to speak, tothe United States, and people
are like I don't know why we'resending money and that's what
I've got some coworkers likethey really, really infuriates
(27:24):
me that we're sending money toIsrael and I get both sides.
I understand that because youfeel like they may be sending
money to Israel, support Israel,and in turn they're using that
support to kill human beings onthe other side and you feel like
you're you kind of have some ofthat blood on your hand.
Understandable perspective fromthat side of things and from
the other side of things, toknow you.
(27:45):
This is kind of the way itworks with other countries, when
your allies with othercountries and they get into
conflicts, you're kind ofobligated to come to their aid.
That's the point, like if youdon't come to their aid when
there's conflict, there's nopoint to be an ally.
You know what I mean?
Like that's kind of what it,what it entails, puts the US in
a crazy situation.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
No, I would.
It does put us in a reallycrazy situation, but it I feel
like that's what we factored inwhen we became allies with him,
and that's almost like yourcountry is picking a side for
you.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
And that's an interesting perspective.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's hard to go for the other side when that's what
you see it was like.
Well, my government think thisis good, so I'm going to go
along with what they think andgo from there and seeing or
hearing what's going on to thePalestinians as far as being
corralled and cornered andalmost squeezed out.
I can understand that aspect ofit and how frustrating that is,
(28:48):
how infuriating and howaggravating that can be,
Especially when growing up inthe US and how they've treated
their minority groups andeverything else.
Yeah absolutely so I get it, andespecially when it comes to the
propaganda of things andwanting to seem like, no, we're
the good side and we're doingeverything right, we're just
complaining, or just doinglittle things and being extra or
(29:09):
whatever, and I was like, no,there's truth in there.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You're right, there's some substance to that.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You know what I mean?
Yes, and it's like how do youchoose a side when both of them
are right and who becomes amediator as an ally is that our
role is to be the mediator andkind of settle things.
But I feel like, like you saidbefore, nothing is ever going to
settle this, because there'sbeen blood loss, there's been or
there's been lives lost,there's been so much hurt and
(29:38):
anger and frustration, and soyou're never going to appease
everyone.
So how do you, how do you evenwork that out?
Like what's the beginning ofthat?
I'd hate to be negotiated inthis whole process.
Like I quit, I'm done.
Somebody else take over.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
It definitely seems like there's no real like right
answer there and I think that'sjust due to the heavily nuanced
situation here and to somepeople on one side.
They don't think it's nuancedat all, they think it's very
clear cut, so that just makesthings more complicated.
We have two sides of the fight.
They have a very clear cutperspective, yeah, and they
(30:16):
don't really want to move offthat.
I definitely appreciate youtaking some time out to join us
on a little bit of a heaviersubject.
We'll get back to maybe fun orfun or subjects next time, but I
appreciate you taking some timehere to know.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
No, thank you for having me.
This is definitely somethingthat is crazy for the times that
we live in, and we'll see howit plays out in the future.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
For sure, this is Reggie T L.
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