#170 Apprenticeships, Sabbaticals & "Good Work" — Steve Schlafman & Matt Yao on slowing down, deprogramming, unlearning, learning from others, deciding to quit, going on a sabbatical, not being jealous anymore, competitiveness and enoughness, finding good work, ambition, the apprenticeship, Downshift, decelerator, marriage, family and reframing money - The Pathless Path with Paul Millerd

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#170 Apprenticeships, Sabbaticals & "Good Work" — Steve Schlafman & Matt Yao on slowing down, deprogramming, unlearning, learning from others, deciding to quit, going on a sabbatical, not being jealous anymore, competitiveness and enoughness, finding good work, ambition, the apprenticeship, Downshift, decelerator, marriage, family and reframing money

March 18, 2024 • 83 mins

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Steve is a professional coach and the founder of Downshift — the world's first decelerator. He has left a career in venture, but he remains ambitious, it's just that his ambition is now to have a good, multidimentional life, where he can be a good dad for his kids.
Matt has left a traditional path early on to write, travel and discover his own path. When he met Steve, he offered him to become his apprentice and joined Downshift.

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(00:00) - Intro

(02:14) - The scripts that Steve & Matt grew up with

(05:00) - Slowing down, deprogramming and unlearning

(11:52) - The cocoon stage

(14:05) - Deciding to quit

(18:25) - Learning from others on the path and having children

(25:18) - Trust

(28:29) - Matt's sabbatical, finding good work

(34:26) - No jealousy, competitiveness vs enoughness

(39:28) - Matt's apprenticeship with Steve

(48:37) - Putting yourself in a place where it's easy to help you

(52:35) - Downshift & Ambition

(01:03:06) - Marriage & Family

(01:10:54) - Reframing money, skiing and oatmeal

(01:17:15) - Launching decelerator

(01:21:26) - Closing remarks

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