#35 Quinn Que | Great movies, having a conversation with Hitler, racial dynamics in America's black community - Bang Two Three Podcast

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(00:00):
We are the terrorists. (French accent)

(00:01):
We are going to crash the boat. (French accent)
The French? (laughs)
- That's gotta be French terrorists out there, Quinn.
- I guess.
- I'm sure they exist.
- Fair point.
(upbeat music)
- I think you have enough of whatever is going on.
(laughs)
You got a lot of energy, so you're good.
- Okay, I'll unveil the secret right now, Quinn.
And you may wanna take freaking notes on this
'cause this is hella important, okay?

(00:23):
- Okay. - This is the secret.
- Coffee.
- There you go.
Or Red Bull? - That's it.
- Yeah.
- Or are you a Red Bull guy?
- I used to be.
There's a lot of it at my work,
and so I've been from there myself with a lot of the flavors,
but I'm trying to minimize my caffeine.
Doesn't serve me as well as other people, I think.

(00:45):
- Yeah, I totally agree, man.
I'm trying to minimize it, too, but I think I may actually
like blow up a building if I get off a caffeine,
and so I don't wanna do that.
Yeah. - Yeah, so it's not do that.
- What's the best movie you've ever saw in your life?
And please do not say "Strawshank Redemption."
(laughs)

(01:08):
- Okay.
- Because I like you. - I wasn't good.
- Because I like you right now.
- No. - Just by saying.
- Well, I appreciate that.
I liked it, too.
I wasn't going, too.
I use Letterbox, so I actually have a top four.
In my life is hard, but let's try Iron Giant.
I love the Iron Giant, so my top four,
it had a big impact on me as a kid.

(01:28):
It holds up super well, so let's go Iron Giant.
- Okay, so is that, 'cause it sounds like you're weighing in
like the impact as a kid.
Is that like-- - Well, all of them.
- It holds up.
I watched it again recently.
It's a really good movie.
It's good for kids, good for adults.
It's like a Pixar movie.
It's like a proper, like, it's like a proper film
that happens to be animated, that has depth,

(01:53):
that has subtext.
It works on a lot of levels.
It's not to preach your message.
It talks about what it means to be a person
and to be a kid and to grow up and to have friends
and to feel alienated and growing up in a small town.
It's also a period piece that was written in the,

(02:14):
it was written and released in the '90s,
but it's set in the '15, so I wanna say.
And also, it doesn't feel like,
it isn't lean too heavily into the stereotypes of like,
oh, the '50s were like, I love Lucy and all that.
It's like more real.
It feels like more authentic to the period, so.

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But it's a really good movie.
If you haven't seen it, I'd recommend it.
That's one thing I can say about all my top four.
All my top four are great movies.
I'd recommend them highly, check my letterbox.
I'm not trying to pin my letterbox
all the things I'm not a Pimp today,
but you asked me, so that would say Iron Giant.
- Hey, Pimp, wait.
Listen, Nettin' the Way.
Just Pimp slapped me out the way, dude.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(02:56):
- But okay, this is a good point too,
because one thing that Iron Giant has
and other stuff like maybe Wally and stuff,
it's hard to make a damn good movie
that is good for all age groups.
And I'm talking like 12 to 70.
Like that, you have to give some credit for that.
I think even like really, really great movies,
like people would say stuff like Titanic,
it's like, do you really want your 12 year old

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seeing Titanic and then beautiful red head titties?
I don't think so.
Like that's not appropriate.
And plus, Jack dies at the end.
I feel like Titanic is a bad influence now.
If you were in Jack's situation,
you're in the water, right?
You met this beautiful girl.
What you doing, bro?
Are you taking the bullet?
What's your game plan?

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- So, there's so many strong feelings
about that scene in particular.
I couldn't care less.
I don't know if I'm going to go offense to those
who can feel strongly.
I mean, I've never had a relationship like that

(04:00):
so I don't know.
I wouldn't know until I know.
But I suppose if you really do love someone that much,
someone's more than yourself,
and you kind of have to sacrifice yourself.
And they've done like, they've done the research,
they did the science,
they couldn't have survived on the plank,
and they could have survived.
No, they couldn't have survived.
It wasn't a matter of like,

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could they fit as a matter of like,
could they have both made it to shore,
could they both in rescue,
they wouldn't have been able to survive,
they would have sung or someone would have died.
So, if it has to be me or her,
and I love her that much, I guess it has to be her.
The same way, like, you see what say like,
you know, if it has to be me or him,
it has to be him.
And it's just like whoever,
whoever can trick the other person into looking the other way

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while they sacrifice themselves.
- Yeah, I think we shaped this movie completely wrong.
I think young men should watch this movie,
and it is the perils of falling too fast
for a beautiful woman.
Look what happened to him.
Yo, it was a dog on cruise.
What, how long was it?
How long did they knew each other four days, Max?
Like, I don't care if you made love

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in the old 1950s car.
That's romantic, that's cool.
But like, we need to teach young men, Quinn.
We need to teach young men, damn it.
Don't fall for that.
You push her ass off of the door
and tell her, be like, hey,
you got this big old dress on.
Yo, I got like this little bitty thing,
you go over there or at least we could take turns.

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That's the other thing.
It should be like the tide of the sunset.
- Hey, it turns on the plank, plank of wood, has that worked?
- Yes, yes.
No, the subtitle should be a woman's manipulation tactics
can never be underestimated.
- All right, I'll be this.
That's what I'll take.
That's what I'll take.
- In my off base, dude, put me a place, pit flat.

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I just think that people make way too big a deal
of that scene in that movie in particular.
I get that there was a big impact on people,
but I'm just not pressed about it.
Like, there are things I get pressed about,
but that is just not on, that is like so far down the list.
I get what you're saying about the like,
I guess if you want to take it into a broader span

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of like women and children first,
I could definitely see an argument to like push back
on that a little bit.
Children first make sense,
'cause they're literally younger.
They have a lot of potential, but we'll applaud.
The women first, it made sense more
from a kind of a chivalrous, olden days,
and I think it made sense from a biological imperative.

(06:31):
You can replicate the tribe more easily
with a group of women and like one or two guys
versus like over guys and more than two women.
I get all that.
We've evolved.
I think there's an argument to be made that like,
chivalry has its limits, let's put it that way.
And so if that's where we're going with this, I can see that.
But as far as this like Jack and what's your name again?

(06:55):
I've been going with that.
But you know, as far as like Leo and Kate,
who by the way, what's interesting to me about that movie,
Leo looks so young and he is.
They both are, but like he looks like
comparatively younger than her.
They're about the same age, but he looks so young in that movie.
And she looks the same age.
It's like they both have like not aged visually as much.

(07:19):
Like they both held up really well, but it's like,
you look at her then and you look at her now.
It's like the same person like you're like,
it's like, you know, she was creeping on this young boy
back there, but like you look both in their 20s.
Whereas now it's like, you look at him.
It's like, it's that little boy.
And then you look at him and it's like,
oh yeah, that's a grown man because he's got the mustast

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in the beard and whatever else.
He's got a little puffy, but yeah, I just,
I don't know man, it's a movie.
It's a period piece against it.
It's a movie made in the 90s set in what,
like a Ferris, it is what it is.
- Okay, Quint, no, let's take it to real life here.
Okay, you're on the cruise, right?

(08:01):
You're on the cruise a week from now
and that same damn iceberg hits you, okay?
- Okay.
Everyone's like, oh shit, we're going down, right?
We're going down.
Everyone's seeing Titanic, no, so they know how the story ends.
And you hear over the PA, we need all women and children
to come and get on the life rafts.

(08:21):
What are you doing?
Are you drop kicking these women and saying, fuck you?
(laughs)
- So I don't wanna say anything too abbreviated.
How many people just, how many listeners do you have?
- Literally dozens of people listening to us.
Literally about 17, no, I'm just joking.
- Don't say, what are you doing?
- Quint, this is the joke, bro.

(08:42):
- We want the truth.
All right, all right, counselor.
I don't wanna say anything too abbreviating,
but I've often said that I'm an honest person
more than a nice person, so like going back to what I was saying
about the whole shivery is underrated or overrated thing.
I would probably, okay, let all the kids do their thing,

(09:03):
but if I could slide in somewhere, you know,
around, like in the middle of some of the women,
I might do that, I'm not gonna lie.
Just because at the end of the day, we eat some men, you know?
If it's a disaster, we gotta, you know,
again, back in like the 30s or whatever,
we gotta get ready for the next war,

(09:24):
pop it at the speech, you gotta have some dudes.
So I'll take the bullets and, before I can speak,
I'll be one of the survivors, you know,
I'll live with the guilt and I'll do that.
I'll live with you.
You'll spread your seat, what you say?
And it's, listen, I'll bang all these brawds
and we populate the earth.
I'll do it.
Quinn, you're a shirt, go.

(09:44):
There's not many men like you out there.
Yo, I'll just be out of something like, okay, so, okay.
Okay, so like, here's my math equation that's going on in my head, right?
- I just did the research, sorry.
It was, it was actually like the 1910s.
It was like 20 years earlier, it was like,
whoa, it was before or over or two,
or whatever one, like, oh my god, but anyway, go on.
- Yeah, oh, but this is actually a good point, right?

(10:05):
'Cause back then, all the men, listen,
if you didn't die in more, you're working in a chemical plant
and it's like, oh no, why do I have four eyes and seven toes
at the age of 22?
But, okay, so I'm on the boat, right?
And I'm having a good time.
I'm probably drunk.
I'm not drunk right now, but I'll probably be drunk on this boat.
Yeah, right?
- Yeah, a lot of coffee.

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- Yeah, a lot of coffee in the morning.
You having a good time?
And a little, have a little something in the evening.
- Mostly, you know, stuff like that.
And so, and we're in a cold place and we hit an iceberg.
And I'm like, oh shit, I know how this,
I know exactly how this ends.
And like, we need all the women and children
to come to the lifeboat.
Let's say, okay, women, you all get out the way

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'cause bottom line is, if we fight, I'm gonna win.
So fuck you, I'm just gonna stand boat, okay?
If we fight, I'm good.
Now, I can't beat all of them at once, that's true.
And it's probably like at least five women
on there who would kick my ass, absolutely.
They can go in front of me.
That's it, okay, let's just make it fair.
It's a fighting competition.
Like a quick, like two minute round, you know what I'm saying?

(11:12):
Like, me and you Quinn, two minutes,
whoever wins gets on the boat first.
- Now, ironically, that I could get behind.
I'm not, I mean, I'm not, he's got a violence,
but if it's, you know, me fighting for my right
to survive against other men, ideally, you know,
fair fighting all that, then, yeah, sure.
I'll do that.

(11:33):
But again, thankfully, we live in modern times.
We don't have to deal with like, what was the last
like major boat disaster can I remember?
But it was like, generally speaking, cruise ships
are pretty safe.
They're not as safe as like airplanes, but they're pretty safe.
- That's what they said about that Titanic, bro.
It's unsinkable.

(11:54):
Keep believing that.
- Well, you gotta have, I'll see you have a good driver.
As we've seen with recent news stories about boats,
you need to have good driving
and you need to be very aware of your surroundings.
Let's put that way.
- Yeah, what is up with that, bro?
Like, so I've seen it, like, I think in the gym

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or something like that on news,
and then like, my homies were texting me
and they were like, look at the boat.
It turned into it, like, this is all set up.
Like, they think this shit was like planned
that the boat potentially turned and hit the bridge
and do you think that that's plausible?
- I don't like conspiracy theories.
I don't like hidden or arcane knowledge

(12:37):
'cause that's usually where all that kind of stuff goes,
oh, it's a big, duh, duh, duh.
What I would say is I haven't watched it, you know,
I haven't watched it extensively,
you know, with a microscope, duh, duh, duh,
but I've looked at the video and it looks like
it looks like whoever was driving the boats
was not doing a good job.

(12:57):
It's just put the stuff in that way.
There's people who drive those kinds of boats
into that area every day all the time,
just apparently the first time anything has ever happened
or certainly the first time in a long time.
Maybe they've been near misses,
but not a direct hit.
And it's not like people say it was head,
I don't want to head on.

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It was like on the side, like, you know,
not enough time to turn those boats, fun fact, you know,
doing the research.
Turn those boats, it takes a minute.
It's like turning a train or stopping a train
to stop a train or a boat or any large vehicle.
You have to have like minutes and minutes
and like, like miles basically, miles of like

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preparation to actually like stop or turn or do anything like that.
So by the time they realized that they,
they done goofed, it was too late, whatever.
So I think it was intentional.
I don't think so.
I think it's like the little saying,
never ascribe to miles that just as easily be attributed

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to stupidity.
So I bet you the person was, you know, incompetent,
drunk, both before I'd say that they were like a terrorist.
But certainly there's a problem
when this kind of thing can happen at all.
Frankly, I think this, all people also said the bridge itself

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should have been more reinforced.
I feel really bad for the people who are driving
because there are cars that are on the bridge when it happens.
So like those people, like just went into the ocean,
if you're in a car going into the ocean,
that's all, no way, that's really bad.
So I feel bad for them.
So I don't know, but hopefully we can learn some lessons

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and make sure it doesn't happen again.
- But if there are terrorists, they're the worst terrorists
in the history of the world.
It's like color, red, white, white, white.
- Now that'd be worse.
- Oh yeah, you're right.
Yo, they actually has, man, you are so fucking smart.
That has, but because it's like, okay, all right, listen,
we are the terrorists though.

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We are going to crush the bridge.
There's gotta be French terrorists out there, Quim.
- I guess.
- Oh, sure.
- We've got to crush the door,
but into the bridge.
It's like, oh, I get to, we're going to do it at 2 a.m.
in the morning when there's nobody on the bridge.
It's like that makes no fucking sense.
I don't know at all, right?
I'm not a boat guy.

(15:30):
I don't, I don't fucking know.
I see, I think like the video that everyone is calling
like suspicious is, it looks like it's kind of floating,
floating, and then it turns almost directly
to hit the pylon, but my first impression was
if they would have kept going and not turned,
they would have ran into the shore.
That's what it looked like to me.

(15:50):
I don't fucking know.
I also heard that they lost power and shit like that.
And so, and obviously like, yo, being a boat captain,
you gotta be a smart dude.
There's probably all types of protocols for this.
Hey, whenever you lose power, do this,
when you don't lose power, do that.
When do you reverse this type of stuff?
So I don't know, but it just seems like every time

(16:12):
something happens, there's some interesting 10 foil hat
theories out there.
Why do you think that these people emerge
regardless of the disaster?
Some of them are, and I don't use this term lightly,
I try not to use this term at all, if I can avoid it,
but some of them are like, I was gonna say drifters.
Let's try, let's type motivated actors.

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They're, they're people who benefit from controversy,
and so they'll just be like, you know, it's done,
it's the globalist, it's this or that.
And then they gin up attention, clicks, traffic to their,
you know, blogs, podcasts, websites, whatever,
YouTube channels.

(16:54):
And so there's that, there's also just like,
a lot of mental, let's be honest, a lot of mental illness,
and a lot of like, people who have a platform
and motivate to speak, and for some reason have an audience,
but they're not like, really well, like healthy.

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Sometimes there's some overlap between those things.
And so a particular public figure,
some people would probably think of who's recently gotten,
some judgments against him and gotten unfanned.
Yeah, you're right.
I was trying to be, try to be calling, but yes,
that would be what exactly, that would be what example.
Yeah, and I mean like, the extent to which he's sane,

(17:38):
but crafty versus crazy, ironically,
it's like the crazier he is, the more sympathetic he is
because you can kind of like say, well, you know,
he means well, but he doesn't always think things through
or versus like the extent of which he knows what he's doing
and is just a moral at best is pretty

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incriminating.
And again, those, those judgments against him
have kind of pointed to the latter, but regardless,
excuse me, regardless, people like that exist.
And so people like that get audiences
and their audiences again, who also tend to be not always
the most mentally balanced themselves,

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they respond in kind.
I've tried my best to accept that I even have a platform
and I try to do speak on these things.
I try to like be responsible.
That's why I gave a kind of diplomatic answer to start with this.
I don't think most conspiracy theories are true
or even logical or reasonable, but I will say,

(18:46):
there's always, there's always some room for skepticism
and some room for investigation
and there are literally at least two that I can think of,
just not my head, cases where the official narrative
doesn't make sense.
The official narrative does not entirely make sense
in regard to the JFK assassination.

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The official narrative is not entirely make sense
in regard to the, these air quotes here,
which is already kind of iffy for me to do this,
but the suicide of a certain New York financier.
And so, my cell up T is completely lost with you in the room.

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But yeah, so it's like those two art examples where it's like
a conspiracy theory might have some validity.
Now, it's not to say that like all the most crazy
outlandish explanations for those two instances make sense.
It's not to say like again, it's the global story,

(19:49):
it was the government, it was an inside job,
I'm just saying like, it's a little sus.
If the official narrative is a magic, that's the same thing.
A magic bullet hit three people is largely undamaged
from contact, was a cover, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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and killed a man and fired by not a terrible shot,
but not like exactly the most well-trained guy ever
in doesn't definitely begin his name.
- There you go, you have your yaw's wall.
And all this other stuff, and then the weird stuff

(20:31):
about his, the hard yaw's wall assassinations,
and afterwards, this is like, I don't know man,
this is not all, there's some unanswered questions there.
And then again, with Epstein, it's like, huh.
So the cameras went out and he was placed in proximity
with this really big intimidating guy who seemed

(20:54):
ready and ready to go to mess somebody up and da, da, da, da,
I don't know man, this is just, there's some unanswered questions.
- And so we have stuff like that, it's like, yeah,
there's some unanswered questions,
but where is this versus like, oh, this plane went down,
or this plane disappeared in the Bimuda triangle

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or out in over some Arctic ridge somewhere, it's like,
yeah, that happens, planes go down.
The wreckage is hard to find because it's a giant,
like frozen wasteland where ice covers things up
where things just get destroyed, blah, blah, blah, blah.

(21:37):
Oh yeah, things fall into the sea,
and the sea is really deep and big,
and it's really hard to even just investigate things
for like signs of life, let alone to find wreckage of ships
and whatever the hell, like these aren't grand conspiracies,

(21:58):
it's literally just the most likely answer
doesn't sound as sexy as some people want it to be,
and there's plausibility for there to be something deeper
when reality, it's more likely, more plausible
that the unsexy truth or the unsexy answer is the truth,

(22:19):
so that's kind of my taken conspiracies.
When things don't make sense, yeah,
when things don't make sense, I ask more questions.
When things are plausible, not as they are,
I just kind of leave it alone.
- Just like the ship, right?
The ship is like very plausible, the power went out,
like you know, you can, like you said,
if this was a terrorist attack,
like it could be done better and stuff like that,
I think the other missing piece is that,

(22:41):
I think a lot of institutions are things that,
like we used to trust, we used to look up to,
like we're kind of seeing their warts, like, you know,
for example, like the United States government did do MK Ultra,
like this is the craziest fucking thing ever.
They try to control your mind with LSD and hallucinogens,
like this is fucking real, you know, like they,

(23:03):
the United States government did sell crack in Compton
to fund a war across the fucking world,
and guess what, you go to Compton today, it's still a hood,
it's still all messed up,
and the people who lived back then,
they were like, hey, Compton used to be kind of nice,
but then everybody was drugged out and now it's a shitty ass place,
it's still shit.
So whenever you see like these type of entities

(23:23):
that we used to look up to, and it's like,
hey, these are the people who are looking out for us,
all of this, and it's like, whoa,
there are some really fucked up things they did,
like I think it's plausible to make that jump and say,
well, what else fucked up they did, right?
This is just the stuff we know about.
And so it sucks because it just kind of breaks down
our trust in everything, and then we look at the sky,

(23:45):
we're like, oh, it's blue.
Is it really blue?
You know what I'm saying?
Do we start questioning everything?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's--
- And it becomes mentally ill.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's tough.
I would say, there's also, especially in my community,
in the black community, the black American community,
there's a lot of conspiratorial thinking, unfortunately,

(24:08):
and I think also there's a lot of--
- Why, unfortunately?
- First of all, could you trace it back?
Could you trace it back?
Why does it exist and why is it unfortunate?
- Well, you kind of point to some things, right?
Like, there have been legitimate conspiracy,
conspiracy properly, the definition is just literally,
like, multiple people working in coordination

(24:28):
in somewhat covert or sort of,
chiseled manner to achieve a goal.
So like, a conspiracy could be as simple as like,
hey, we're gonna have a surprise birthday party.
That's a conspiracy.
Versus like a criminal conspiracy, it's like,
hey, we're gonna assassinate this guy.
Yeah, that's a conspiracy too.
Or we're gonna rob this place.
So, I might rob a hotel on behalf of the president,

(24:50):
but so, he didn't call that one out.
But, but like, you know, there's,
there's all kinds of different conspiracies.
And so, the problem is that some of them are true,
some of them are real, but then the problem becomes,
when you've been the victim of,
your community has been the victim of like, real conspiracies.

(25:13):
Then you start to see like,
boogie man under a, under a bed or behind every corner.
And so, I've talked to people,
'cause I've been living in urban and fire
and it's pretty much my entire life.
I've lived in urban environment.
A city, like, I don't use that as code for black,
I just mean like, literally, a city.
A city using with black people in it,

(25:34):
like, I've lived in Los Angeles, I've lived in Atlanta,
I've lived a little, briefly in New York,
which is in Florida, I lived all over the place.
I went to cities and I went to a state.
I've lived in like, what was it?
Not Pensacola.
Jackson, I lived in Jacksonville.
I've lived in Detroit.
So, I've lived in a lot of kind of rough and temple neighborhoods,

(25:55):
and also I haven't had a lot of black people
compared to places where there's literally none.
So, I have spoken to people in the community
and one of the things that comes up is they,
there's this, it's called Hotape.
There's this sort of alternate perspective

(26:15):
on life and society and culture
that can come through urban black communities
where, I get city-dwelling black communities,
where they have a history or an idea
of history and society that exists parallel
to the official narrative, to the mainstream,
according to what the white, really,

(26:37):
it's just like it's white and Asian and Jewish and, you know,
white Latino or like Hispanic
or a number of things narrative of society.
So, for example, they look at the Tuskegee experiments,
they look at the MK Ultra, look at the CIA in Compton

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and drug trade, the cartels and all that,
and they say, "That's just, you know, the tip of the iceberg."
Go back to the tank, that's just, you know,
this is the beginning.
There's all this other stuff and it's like, "Well,
I don't think the fire bombing,"
and forget what it was,
there was this fire bombing of this town back,

(27:24):
the guy looked at it, no.
It was like, "They fire bombed black Wall Street."
And they took him down from the sky, but it's like,
that was literally closer to a riot or, you know,
a police civil conflict, then the way they,

(27:47):
some people would talk about it,
it's like, "The government came down
and they were like trying to destroy our city for no reason."
It's always for no reason.
And the thing I gave you saying, "Compton was great."
Well, you know, there's probably a reason
why they picked Compton as a place to sell.
I don't know if it was perfect beforehand.

(28:10):
You know, like, there's always these things,
it's like, you have to be willing to, in order to,
I think be fair and consistent and just logical.
You have to be willing to call Boston strikes
even when they're not beneficial to your side or to,
again, like an overarching narrative.

(28:31):
It's like, I tell people sometimes,
don't be so open to or be more skeptical of
self-flattering narratives.
So like, "Oh, we were always victim."
Oh, it's a, we was kings.
That's a kind of racist to me, but like, we was kings

(28:53):
and then we came to this country
and we were put into chains at chains and bondage
and listen to that, which is sort of true,
like not everybody was a king on the continent of Africa
because it's a big place and there's a lot of different tribes
and villages and cultures, but anyway.
You know, we were doing fine in the continent of Africa
and they were put in a slavery, brought here, blah, blah,

(29:13):
and then we started to, we were free,
and we fought to the north, we started to rebuild our lives,
and we were doing fine and then the white man came
and did this and that and like, yes, to some extent,
absolutely, there was racism, there was Jim Crow,
there was a number of things like Chris Rock

(29:37):
of all things, you know, about people, right?
The community, literally, the community Chris Rock,
who grew up during integration of the schools
could tell you like his experiences
'cause he went to an integrated school,
he was like one of the only black people at his school
when he was like six or eight years old,
and also his parents grew up during the depression
as black people and like when, the way he put it,

(30:01):
hey, when white people are hungry,
they're not just going straight to the dumpster,
they're going to the people who can't fight back,
so they're going, like you got like angry white man
just bars and down, breaking down our door
and stealing our food, that happened.
So, yes, absolutely, but then it's like, okay,
but on the flip side, why would, for example,

(30:24):
the government, the CIA, whatever, target, content,
in addition to the fact that it was a predominantly
or heavily black area, well, maybe it's because they felt
like they were good target, maybe it was because they think
about the thought they'd be more susceptible
and it's like why are they being more susceptible?
Maybe it's because the data, certain particularities,
whatever, so you have to be willing to call
balls and strikes and not just tell yourself

(30:48):
this flattering story all the time.
That's everybody, that's black people,
that's white people, that's Asians, that's whatever,
you know, Native Americans, Indians,
like they say like, oh, we were all living in peace
and harmony when one would nature, no, you were fighting,
you were fighting each other, you were at war
with each other, the same way, again, tribes in Africa,

(31:10):
you were at war with each other,
all across this continent for decades, if not centuries,
before any white man stepped foot on this land,
you were going to drive the buffalo to extinction
because you were hunting it so mercilessly,
you were killing each other, enslaving each other
as slavery exists outside of just chattel slavery

(31:33):
with Africans in the United States,
but you were doing all this stuff
before any white man stepped foot,
they made worse, I understand Christopher Columbus
and all that, the pilgrims Thanksgiving, I get it,
but I'm just saying, we have to be willing to not always
tell ourselves or believe the self-flattering narratives

(31:55):
that always cast us as the good guys
and always cast somebody else to the bad guys
because the flip side of that is, back in lead you to,
here we go, for example, this is a government excuse
or an excuse example, but for example, Nazi Germany,
where, oh, it's those people, it's those people,
who are the bad guys, yeah, exactly, right?

(32:16):
It's those people who are the bad guys
and we're the good guys and wherever we do to them,
justifies, it's justified, blah, blah, blah,
was taking it all the way back to, or all the way forward to now,
hmm, it sounds like something that's going on
in the Middle East and also something that's being sort of
talked about, stateside and in other countries,

(32:39):
it's like, hmm, maybe it's not great to castigate other people,
as the entire groups of people based on what they look like
or their religion or whatever, or to always say,
oh, I'm good, I'm good, but they're bad.
Maybe we should all be a lot more humble

(33:02):
and a lot more self-critical because the truth
and the story of history is most people
when it was more common, especially,
would have owned slaves, you know,
owning slaves was the equivalent of,
this is guess I'm crazy, but it's true,
owning slaves was at a certain point in time,

(33:22):
the equivalent of owning a car, it was that common.
So it's like, I would never want to own a car,
like do you have money, do you have capital,
do you have a decent job,
do you have decent states in the world in life,
probably what all it's like, it's fine,
but it's not fine, it's a good thing,
but that's just a normal thing.
Most people.

(33:42):
And here's your story.
Sorry, decide if I go on a big tire,
so please go on, go on.
No, I'm on this tire, yeah, load.
(laughing)
And for example, let's just say,
let's just play that forward,
let's say a hundred years from now,
right, we're tearing down Barack Obama statue,
why?
'Cause he's a piece of fucking shit.
Why is he a piece of shit?
Because he ate meat.

(34:03):
I can't believe they used to eat meat back in the day.
(laughing)
That was terrible.
In the 20, in the 20th century, they ate meat,
they were so bad, they killed those cows.
Those cows were real life and stuff like that.
And so that's how like the time changed.
You bet that need to be well, by the way, well done.
(laughing)
That was really, really great going on with that.
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm calling Obama a piece of shit.

(34:23):
No, because like that's what, you know?
No, no, yeah, it is.
It is.
I get you.
Yeah, it is.
There are historical evils that we also,
we can understand in the context of history,
but we can also say like, we can call this,
maybe torture stories, we can call this, we can,
like just say it is what it is.
So it's like, call it for what it is.

(34:45):
So it's like, people talk about, you know?
It's heritage, not hate, you know?
It's my flag, brother, it's my culture.
It's like, well, I mean, your culture is founded on like,
basically being a traitor to your own country
and also trying to own people.
It's kind of fucked up.
She's my friend, it's kind of a mess of culture,

(35:05):
maybe you shouldn't be trying to like,
carry it forward or apologize for it,
or you know, like tell people that their assholes
for a day are getting it because it's kind of messed up.
So like, when people talk about,
oh, you're tearing down the statutes,
you're just storing history.
Well, those statutes are put up

(35:27):
by people who wanted to kind of abuse history
and they were the sentence of people
who wanted to abuse other people and the country at large.
So you have to be willing to flip side, just be honest.
Again, going back to my last thing,
but be honest with yourself and others and just say like,
all right, there's a dividing line.

(35:48):
There are people who knew that slavery was wrong at the time.
Now, they were at times, I mean,
minority, like, like, like, like, like, statistical minority,
they were not, they were not the majority until they were,
but there were people who knew that slavery was wrong,
but the fact that we have abilistonists, proper abilistonists,
existed as well as we get people who just believed
in the union in the United States as a concept

(36:11):
more than they believed in slavery.
It's like the ultimate problem of the Civil War,
if we could really be honest about it and just call us
a spade, a spade, I'm afraid, I guess, was people who believed
in their culture was included slavery.
You can say they include other things fine,

(36:31):
but included definitely slavery more than they believed
in the union.
And I think that in itself is pretty messed up.
Regardless, regardless of the fact--
Does that exist today with something else?
I know it does.
There are people who--
It's not as bad.
Thankfully, there's this--
there's--
Oh, there's human trafficking.

(36:52):
Slavery, slavery, slavery--
Slavery looks like this, yes, but as a cultural touchstone
that people have arguments about, or where people are, like,
pro-orcon in public, no.
That human trafficking is pretty roundly disliked,
certainly in the West.

(37:12):
People aren't standing up and shouting,
yeah, it's cool, man, you can just be living that live--
about that one.
But I would say we need a truth in the United States
about the Civil War to the extent
that there are people who don't want to acknowledge
that it was fought over slavery.
You could say end other things, but it was a--
a slavery went up, went up, went up, went up,
went up, went up, presidential candidate,

(37:33):
just asked that question, like, what was the Civil War
fought about?
And she can't just say it was fought over slavery,
talking like Nick and Haley.
That's a sign of the problem
that we can't even just be honest about, like,
basic history that is over 100 years before she was even born,
let alone, like, came to public prominence.

(37:56):
And so things like, hey, did the person who's currently,
like, running the country-- is a person who's currently
the president of the United States,
he wouldn't be election-- like, stuff like that,
where we were certain groups were about to come to blows
over the idea that someone else won the presidential election

(38:17):
in 2020.
Like, we need to be able to speak honestly to ourselves
and to each other about basic troops of reality,
like where there is room to disagree
where reasonable minds can differ, like, economic policy,
environmental policy.
Hey, does Palestine deserve a state, right?

(38:43):
Versus--
Absolutely not.
I'm just joking.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
Versus versus--
OK.
--does it feel quick observation?
Oh, good.
About-- because I feel like you hearing you talk,
my perception is you kind of feel like you're kind of into
minority here.
And you're going to--
What?

(39:03):
Why does it, like, everyone--
Minority?
What-- you know what I'm saying?
No, in the way you think.
In the way you think.
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, yeah.
Why doesn't everyone-- it sounds like you sound very analytical.
You appear to be very analytical.
You appear to be the type of guy who's like, hey,
I want to make a decision.
Let's land all the facts.
Pros, cons.
Let's think about it for two days and make a decision.

(39:24):
This is awesome.
I'm kind of like that, too.
I'm an engineer.
I'm an nerd.
But what I've noticed with a lot of my black friends,
my poorer area people is they are way more
compelled by stories and narratives than they are facts.

(39:46):
In fact, facts will not change them at all.
I've had these conversations and stuff
about kind of crazy things such as the boat going in
and stuff like that.
For example, I have a really good buddy.
And he watched this video.
He watched his sitcom.
And in the sitcom, before the husband got a divorce,

(40:07):
he transferred all his assets into his mom's name.
And he's like, yeah, bitch, you're not getting nothing.
And so he text me and he's like, bro, this is exactly
what I'm going to do.
And I'm like, I don't think the law works like that.
But you go, right?
But it was just--
It was a compelling narrative to him, like everything.
And so whenever you tell a person who's
compelled by a story or a narrative

(40:30):
or something that--
you're essentially talking to a brick wall.
So how do you get through to these people
where there'd be about civil war, slavery, conspiracy
theories, all of this?
And is that even up to you as being like the agency
in a political person?
Sure, sure, sure.
Or would you just say, hey, go read a book.
How do you fix that?
So unfortunately, and also, it's funny.

(40:51):
This is probably the most political that I've been anywhere.
And no, I'm like, for real.
I've pivoted.
So like, going back to the cybercarns is like, what do you
want to talk about?
Take over the conversation.
I would have been good.
I wrote a comment with like, booby talk?
And like, the arts, because I'm trying

(41:13):
to get my name out there more in terms of that.
I'm a screenwriter, I'm a aspiring author,
haven't really gotten anything optioned yet.
But I don't really do politics publicly anymore.
I used to be very political.
People check my Twitter, like all the links will probably

(41:35):
be in the show, not to whatever, but it's Edo Quinn.
It's pronounced Edo Quinn, for those who don't know.
EDO KWIN.
And it's-- I was for, I would say, it just kind of fell into this.
I was just talking about current events and somehow just
backslid into politics, like writ large.
I quickly started to realize that you can't reason with people.

(41:56):
And I don't know if you're familiar with a streamer
by the name of Asman Gold, aka Zach, but he's on Twitch.
And he's a little weirdo.
Everybody's weirdo on the internet, by the way.
Everybody is weirdo just by default.
One of my things about people in the internet is this applies
to me too.
All of us applies to you.

(42:17):
It applies to everybody.
So we're all weirdos.
And we're all sort of guilty of being weirdos
until proven otherwise, and it's really hard to prove a negative
or whatever.
So don't assume that anybody in the internet is normal.
Don't assume that any streamers, normal,
assume that any podcasters, normal, this-- the world
wears.
But that aside, he's also like--
he lives kind of like a hoarder.

(42:39):
He lives in a mess.
But when you hear him talk, and you hear him talk about events
and the internet drama, he sounds pretty smart and reasonable.
Say all that pre-ambulance to say, I'm not putting him out there
as like the guru, like the greatest sage wisdom,
but he makes sense when he talks oftentimes.
And he says that you can't reason someone out of an opinion

(43:02):
that they didn't reason themselves into.
Meaning if someone believes something
for irrational or emotional factors,
they're not just going to be swayed by logic and arguments.
And I just usually don't.
One of the reasons why I stopped talking about politics
in genos, because I just felt like I was hitting brick walls
just trying to talk to people about basic stuff.

(43:23):
It could be Israel-Palestine, which is--
I forget my friends, it's just a retarded thing in general.
And yes, I would say broadly speaking,
probably the times that they're going to have a state.
Israel does too.
That's obvious.
A state that already exists should not cease to exist.
And it's insane to me sometimes.
People talk about it.
Oh, yeah.
A state that already exists, it just stops existing.
America is just stopping existing.

(43:44):
It's just stopping existing.
China, Russia is just stopping-- no.
What you're talking about is inherently toxic as fuck.
You can't say whatever you want, free of speech, whatever.
But you shouldn't say that.
You shouldn't say that it's normal or defensible or moral.
It's not.
But what I would say is, if you're talking to someone

(44:07):
and you feel like you have some cachet with them,
you have some favor with them that you can quarry.
And you can try to have a reasonable conversation.
Try and talk to them as a person.
Talk to them as a friend.
Don't lecture them.
Don't try to come at it from like, I know this.
And I'm going to download my knowledge into you

(44:27):
and you're just going to be converted.
Just one of the things that a somewhat controversial public
figure himself has said, one of his 12 rules is--
I believe it's number seven--
is assume the person you're talking to knows something you don't.
That's how to have a good conversation.
So it's like, if you talk to somebody,

(44:50):
not from the perspective of like, I'm going to teach you.
But like, you can tell me something.
I can tell you something.
We can have it back and forth.
That's how you go, good conversation.
So it's like, if I was going to talk to somebody
from the South-- technically, I'm in the South right now.
I'm trying to do that.
I'm trying to do that.
But I'm in a secret location in the South currently.
If I was talking to somebody about, frankly,
when the very times this comes up, when people talk

(45:12):
about North or South or whatever, just say, amen.
It's 20, 24.
The Civil War is a log type.
It goes longer for either us or more.
Let's not.
Let's not.
It's like, oh, you know, people ask me sometimes
my accent, like, oh, you know, from here, man, where
you from?
You from the North.
It's like, bro, there's four directions, firstly,
there's East and West, too.
There's four directions.

(45:33):
It's a big country.
Country-sized but continent.
And the Civil War is a long time ago.
We're not doing this.
But if I were to talk to the Civil War with somebody from here,
I just feel like, listen, man, I'm not saying
that you can't be proud of your family
and proud of your local culture, whether that's,
you know, Raleigh or Atlanta or any other, like, Southern

(45:53):
city or even a whole Southern state,
but you gotta let the Confederacy go.
You gotta let it go.
You gotta let it go.
Not just because, like, it's unpopular with it is,
but also just because, like, in your hearts, like, you know,
search your feelings.
You know what to be true in your heart.
You were raised on this because, like, your parents told you

(46:15):
is cool or whatever, but, you know, really believe it.
It's like every successive generation of people
is generally more understanding, generally,
those are exceptions.
Generally, more understanding, more tolerant,
or whatever than their parents.
And so more and more as time goes on,
it's like the younger southerners realize that, like,

(46:37):
the South arrives again, all of those,
those kind of BS.
And so you just, you just kind of lean into that
and then, like, if they ask me, like,
well, why do you feel about, you know,
the war of Northern Aggression?
What's, I sometimes joke when they call out that, you know,
for the memes, but, like, how do you feel about the Civil War?
Do you think that the North, the, the North,
did anything wrong?
It's like, of course, it's a war.
Like, there were war crimes, domestic war crimes on both sides.

(46:59):
There was a Civil War.
That's how that works.
Nobody's hands are clean.
But I think, like, Abe Lincoln was a tyrant, like, no.
I think he was trying to preserve the union.
And if the South had given him, like, quarter,
like, significantly given him, like, options
to preserve the union that did not involve a bloody conflict
or brother or father metaphorically speaking.

(47:19):
And sometimes, literally, like, that would have happened,
but they didn't give much, yes.
And I think, and this is the thing I talked to you
about, like, also, like, the aftermath,
because, like, you look, again, going,
you can go look at the history.
Do your own research is a, is a kind of problematic term,
but I encourage people, as whenever possible,
to, like, look at quality sources

(47:42):
and try to do some research on their own,
not motivated reasoning.
Like, I'm going to look for the stuff that tells me that I'm right.
But, like, look for just, like, general uncycled pedias
and historical accounts from people who don't seem to have
an agenda or have less of an agenda, whatever.
One of the crucial things about that also is people say,

(48:02):
like, oh, you know, a reconstruction sucked,
and, you know, he wasn't going to do that, they killed him.
They killed him, right?
He was assassinated.
He was assassinated by Southern sympathizers
a week after the Civil War, right?
And so it's like, literally, did I give him a chance?
Like, he got to give him more than a week.
It might have been a month, but like, he's like,

(48:24):
goodbye, man.
Like, give him a chance.
So, like, all this stuff happens
and just give people a chance,
just give the person you're talking to a chance to hear your side,
give yourself a chance to hear their side,
have some humility and just remember that, like,

(48:44):
we're all messed up people.
We're all imperfect.
We would have owned slaves.
We would not have, like, been freedom fighters
who, you know, tried to tear down our own country,
quote unquote, to protect a culture of minority,
'cause that's what it would have meant to, like,
be against the Nazis and Nazi Germany.

(49:04):
You would have to have been a revolutionary
trying to fight your own country for a culture minority
that a bunch of people hated.
You wouldn't do that, right?
Like, to put into context in America,
it's like, with the average American go to bat at realistically,
not even for black people, 'cause that'd be the easy example.
No, would you go to bat for the natives?

(49:27):
Like, would you go to bat for the natives?
Like, would you go and like, try to, you know,
raise the capital over like the natives?
Who are doing comparatively so you can like, not great,
but they don't better than they have been the past.
Like, would you do that?
No, you wouldn't.
So it's like, just get off it.
You're all flawed in perfect people.

(49:49):
We try our best, but we have our limits.
We would probably be like, elbowing people to get on the life boats,
even if we didn't deserve to, like, so, yeah.
Just be a person, just be honest.
I tell people all the time, like, especially back in my more
political days, like, preach what you practice.
You usually practice what you preach what you practice.
Don't talk about all the great stuff, the quote,

(50:10):
and what you're doing, or all, you know, your lofty ideals.
Just talk about what you actually do.
It's like, I actually, doing it to charity.
I, like, not a lot, like, you know, little things here and there,
clothing, some, you know, financial items, this and that.
I'm also like, just a broke, like, formally homeless guy myself.
So like, it's because I'm like close to the community that I do it.

(50:31):
I know a lot of like churches and shelters and programs.
So it's like, it's, it's just kind of in my DNA at this point.
But I don't like go out there and say, you all should go to the
just just like, we're all, you know, imperfect.
And I try to give people grace in that regard, but hey,
I'll go myself.

(50:51):
There is no money in that.
Oh my gosh.
You're a great person, but a terrible person.
There's no money being honest.
I've heard that before.
Don't you know you have to, do you reflect on freaking the internet
if you want to make a dime?
Regular people like us, we're broke.
I've made like 12 cents on the internet.
What would you say?
Who?
Like, what would you say if Hitler was right here?

(51:13):
Like you were, you were in the same room as Hitler.
You were talking.
There was no threat of death.
What, what would that conversation sound like?
So fun facts.
Hitler was not co-cat, but he was like addicted to drugs.
His doctor who was, who was a, a quack, he was not actively poisoning
him for like political or you know, like altruistic reasons.

(51:39):
If you wanted to kill Hitler, you know, Fumese, he could have done it easily.
He was literally just like not a regular doctor.
And he was like the equivalent of like, you know, some BS grew type that some people get
around them sometimes.
You know, risk people just like buy into and they shouldn't.
I wouldn't say he was like, well, if Powell, he was like, it's a conference and like, when
if Powell, Joe would put money into us, but that way.

(52:00):
And so that's who was like advising Hitler.
And so he was like, like, coaked up half the time and like nights, nights, nights, like,
I don't even think I could talk to somebody like that because like, I don't do well conversing
to people who are not in their right mind or who are like, you know, drawn for--

(52:21):
Well, he's sober.
He's sober.
Hypothetically, so.
Okay, okay.
So he's, he's, I'm hyperstechely talking to a sober Hitler.
And we're just going to have a reasonable like non-violent communication.
I mean, listen, man, what happened with the painting, man?
Like, what the-- you were a decent artist.
Like, like, for real.
Like, like, just going back to the-- because I'm an artist.
Like, I'm a writer, like, you know, going to the arts.

(52:41):
Like, you were a decent artist, man.
Like, you have the potential to do other stuff like politics.
I get that you're like good at it and since you've had success and want to, you know, want
to like, leave a country and like, take over the world.
That's not, that's not-- come on.
You don't want to be Napoleon.

(53:02):
That's just like something your dad put in your head.
You want, you want to be loved and appreciated.
You shouldn't go back to painting.
You should go back to painting and you should like, really make a go of that.
Because listen, man, listen, man, because this is only like, if we take it all the way back,
like this would be what, the 1930s or 40s.

(53:25):
Like, visual art was still pretty popular back then.
You could be the next-- I don't see the next brand, but you could be like-- you could be,
uh, influencer.
Yeah, yeah, it's because all the names of artists I know are like people--
I don't-- that was Picasso's too, too high.
Because he's around back then.
But like, you could be like, you could be like the best, one of the top 15 Austrian painters

(53:52):
of the 20th century.
You could do that.
It's possible.
It's possible.
We just got a dial back a lot of this, you know, maniacal, you know, Napoleonic stuff and
just like, let's go back to the art man.
That was that was that was your back.
Because honestly, like a lot of people, not to be all like armchair, it's like colleges,

(54:13):
but, or like that, that, that, you know, really cheesy, like, cringe white lady talking
to Putin.
If I was your mother, but like, um, a lot of-- yeah, you know, you know the vibes, you know
the vibes.
It was funny thing is like, I saw her, like she played like this like, thoughty, like, like

(54:34):
femphotol, you know, I mean, she's an actor, like, people play roles.
It's just like, that subtext was not lost.
I mean, it's just like, you're not necessarily the best vehicle for this message.
Even if this message wasn't cringe, you're not sort of the best vehicle for it, just
can be honest, but regardless.
It's like, I'm not going to try and do that with embankments like, hey man, let's

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let's let's let's style it back, you know, we can we can find a way forward that does not
require the depths of millions of people including the Jews who side note, like, just, this is
just by the by, I don't get to talk with this much, so I might as well talk with this,
and we're going to talk about politics.
Let's do it.
My dad was Jewish.
He's passed, unfortunately, this way.

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So I say, was passed that's, but like, I have a close connection to the Jewish people.
Like, I tell people the time, not, what, it, not online, but like, in my personal life,
like, I'm biased about certain things related, in relation to like, say, is your Palestine
or two, you know, like, the chosen people, the Jews and then whatnot, because I have a connection,
I'm not a Jew, but I have like, I'm in a filo semi, I love the Jews, I love the Jewish people,

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the Jewish culture.
And so, like, even if for the sake of argument, Hitler was not also trying to take over the
world and kill a bunch of people, like, he kept everything in house, like, that's still
obviously really bad, and I would want to encourage him to not do that even so, but the

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fact that he was also trying, you know, trying to take over the world just just made it all
the more.
And by the way, here are he, too, and Mussolini, you know, like, they're also pretty fucked
up people, like, it's unfortunate that so much of history is defined by people who are just
really, like, apparently the influencers of the previous, you know, centuries and decades,

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they're just really, like, famous and popular and charismatic, but they're also just really
messed up people and they're acting out their neuroses on society in government with the
power of the military and this and that, that's probably some of that, you know, in America,
too, but definitely some of that.
It's just like, we should all just be better people and try to rein ourselves in and rein

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each other in and remember that, like, we're all just men and women and whatever else,
and like, yeah, that's basically what I'd say, just chill out, man.
Hitler, you got chill out.
But, hey, you got chill, you got chill.

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So that's the thing is like, we're all good people, like in our own story.
I think, like, we, I've heard, like, documentaries and stuff of like mafia hitmen and they were like,
yeah, I kind of knew what I was doing was fucked up.
But if you talk to Hitler, like, wasn't his whole goal was like, listen, Germany's going
the wrong direction.
This is so fucked up.
I can't believe what's going on and I'm going to do something about it.

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Like, which is great.
This is what we teach our young people.
Hey, you have something wrong.
You go to the great again.
Yeah, I don't think that, you know, Donald is eight off.
I don't think that he may be.
He may be.
I don't think he is.
I don't think he is.
I think I think that's a false comparison.
But it was fucked up when he didn't want to step down.

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But so what?
Yes.
Like, that's the thing.
So if I was sitting in a room with Hitler, I'm like, I have to appeal to this, right?
So I don't think your approach would be great.
Just like just be a painter.
He's like, I don't give a shit about painting.
I give a shit about making Germany great again.
So I would be like, look, Hitler.
Yo, first of all, everything you say, you're fucking right.

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You know what?
We do need to make Germany as fuck, bro.
We gotta have something about it.
Okay.
Okay.
No, you got to ease it into it.
You got to ease it into it.
Come on, come on.
We're not being pedantic.
Come on.
Let's do it.
Bro, you're so right.
And you know what?
You have some damn good ideas, Hitler.
But listen, yo, if you use violence for this, you're just as bad as these fuckers who you're

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trying to supplant.
So we can't do that.
Let's do this.
Let's do this.
We are going to spread love through your art.
(laughs)
Through your art.
Listen, no, we're gonna spread love.
And we're gonna, you know what?
We're gonna just give everybody a little bit of weed, a little bit of mushrooms, and
we're all gonna be able to kind of get on the same page.

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Like don't you know that the most diplomatic best leaders win the wars without firing a shot?
That's what you're gonna be, Hitler, damn it.
You're gonna fucking be that.
You're gonna go down in the history books.
So let's do that.
Listen, what we need is influence.
Not blood, bro.
Let's do it.
We'll do it together, bro.
We'll do it.
And then he'll try to give me some drugs.
And I'll be like, okay, I guess.

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Like, could you imagine doing drugs?
I would totally be good.
I would hate that.
A drug angle might be one way in.
I don't think peace and love is gonna get you there.
Because, you know, because they are the thing I'm gonna get you there either, but like the drug
thing is, it's like, we're both, we both got some touches like, you know, appeal to the
like his past with the arts appeal to like his hobbies is present with the drugs, but like,

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I don't think peace and love is gonna get you there.
This is, you know, this is a blood and soil type of guy, you know, you know, you know, I can
get there with blood.
He's like, I'm blood and soil, man, we talk here.
I love blood.
I guess that's, yeah, exactly.
If you've, have you seen, by the way, the, the AI reconstruction, like, you know, translation
of his speeches, like, it actually does, yeah, it actually, it makes sense when you, like,
we take it away from like, you know, the angry German, you know, like, you don't understand

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the language.
It's like, oh, he's basically saying, you know, I fought for you.
I'm with you.
It's like, it does sound almost Trump asking away or like, you know, like, like, other sort
of populist leaders.
Like, you know, now you stand with me.
Will you work with me?
Will you ensure, you know, with us together?
It's like, it makes sense.
I can see that.
I'm not saying it's good.
And that's saying he's not from Hitler, right?

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He's like, it's, I can just stand the appeal from an analytical perspective.
But yeah, like, ultimately, the way to just get to, the way to hopefully reach people, regardless
of whether or not it's the popular thing or the cool thing, the way to reach just like
an individual is how a conversation is just like, talk to as a person, be honest.

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And like, actually listen to what they're saying.
The biggest problem with most conversations is that for most people, they're not actually
listening.
They're not actually listening to what their person is saying.
They just make a chance to, the way in for the chance to talk.
They're waiting for the chance to talk.
And so they're not engaging with what their person is saying.
And when that disconnect, sometimes that disconnect just goes under the radar.

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But when it disconnect, it comes apparent to one of our side of, or both, then it's just
like, oh, fuck this guy.
Fuck that guy.
And then this is just, this is still, if you can,
actually listen to each other and have our conversation.
Even if you don't agree, even if you don't come away agreeing, you can at least see like,
okay, this person's not an asshole.
And that's usually what happens with good conversations.
Like, people don't necessarily just shake hands.

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Oh, we're brothers now.
It's like, okay, this person's not an asshole.
He listens to what I had to say.
That's what, what, like, Hausses and Goetheaters talk about.
It's like, he actually listened.
That's literally what happens is like, they got the Hausses back and maybe they don't
get the money.
But like, he actually listened.
So.
Yeah.
And it's a secret power.
And by the way, fellas, if you're listening, you want more ladies?

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Just fucking listen.
Just listen to them.
And then like, just make one comment on something they said.
Let me ask you a question that I think may suit you well because of how deep of a think
you are.
So I've noticed this phenomenon that goes on and everybody has whether they, whether
it's been brought to mind or not.

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Whenever a black guy or black girl is unjustly killed by the cops, Rodney King, where he was
a killed, just like that, you know, police violence, use of force issues, like what you mean.
Yeah, this type of shit, whenever this happens, I'm going to even say, like, there's controversy.
Not even unjust because I'm not trying to be like, hey, I'm calling, but like, but like,
no, I'm not.

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I'm not.
I'm not.
It just fucking happened, right?
It just happened.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Whenever it happens, the entire, like, black community feels, it's almost like whenever
they watch the George Floyd thing, like they hurt, whenever they watch it, it's like they
hurt.
It's like their brother, even though they've never seen this person in the history of their
life.
Yeah.

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It seems like black folks are the only people to do that, to feel that hurt, to like, embody
that pain that someone who they don't even know, didn't even grow up in their hood,
just so happen to have the same skin color, they feel that why are black people the only
people that seem to do that?
Well, I would, I would first say, I don't think it, that's the entirely true, a few different

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angles, but I would also say like, to the extent, because I would say it, firstly, black people
are a monolith and also that there are other cultures that do that, but what, what can make
it seem that way?
What can make black people seem like a monolith because the, the outsized voices want you
to think that to some extent, the people who want you to think that we all think the same
thing, those are people who are in the community who are black, and they people who are outside

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the community who are not black, but who sort of benefit from that narrative, that's, that
part of it.
But also it's like, we are a minority, like black Americans specifically are a minority,
like, duh, but like we are, it's, it's important to remember like we relate to each other as being
like often one of the only persons who look like us in a given environment, right?

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Like, there are pockets of this country where we are more widely accessible, let's say,
but then you go to like the middle of the country, you go to certain, particularly cold places,
like, you go to New England, or certain parts of, of, you know, I don't know the, the
somewhat settled west, and it's like, oh, there's, there's literally no other black people

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here.
Yes.
Or reasons, like literally, it's not, that's not even just like, racism, it literally is just
like, fuck, it's too fucking cold, it's not cool, it's like, you do, like, like, there's, there's
reasons, it's like, there's like, like, not necessarily like toxic as fuck reasons,
why black people just don't go to certain places.
But so like, I've commonly, even just in like, again, major cities like LA and Detroit and

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whatever, sometimes been the only black guy in the room.
And so when you have those experiences over time, then you go back to like the community
and you're with other black people, you relate to them on those levels.
And then you see like these things, like, I was slept up in the controversy.
This is pre-Jordes for it.
This is like, you know, after like, tre-mon and stuff, whereas like, and when, you know,

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Barack was still in office, well, yeah, no, Barack was still in office.
It's like back in like 2000, you know, 13, 14, 15.
It's like, why are all these like black people getting into like why are all these black people
being killed or being harmed by the police?
And unfortunately, I was also kind of as a lot of work as well.

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Miss Lead, this is where the, you can say like there's a conspiracy of a sort, Miss Lead
by news media potentially, journalism, malpractice that was sort of selling an agenda
of, yes, it's just always an unarmed black guy.
Getting accosted by a police or even, you know, a vigilante in the case of like, you know,
George Zimmerman, they did nothing wrong.

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And they're just like, well, okay, that's again, is that the truth or is that just like a
self-flattering narrative?
So we, we feel these things because it can feel very isolated to be a black American.
Now, like, do I think black Americans don't want to do that?
I don't actually.
I think, again, going back to, you know, the chosen people are going back to the tribe, going

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back to the Jews or the Jewish people going back to certain Asians.
And this is the, like, get to Asians, Americans, they're Americans, they're Americans, they're
both related and this one about to hit on.
It's important to remember they're not a model.
These are especially, they're not a model of, but, do as people will relate to each other
and will relate to public figures who are Jewish or, you know, to stories about Jewish

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people.
But it's like, what is a common news story to hear about a Jewish person?
Besides those tunnels, a common story you'd hear about a Jewish person in the media is like,
hey, this producer had another successful project, like, honestly, and it's a joke, like, it's
real or, or, hey, this rabbi is trying to do something positive and bring people together.

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They're doing something for the state of Israel or they're, you know, talking against the
state of Israel or whatever, you know, because they are their Jewish critics of Israel.
It's fine.
It's fine to make critic of Israel.
It's not, it's not quite as fine to say that Israel certainly exists.
There's a difference there.
But anyway, like, the story of a black person in society is like, this person feels like

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they don't belong.
They themselves feel that way, but the bar society kind of feels that they don't belong
to or can see in that way.
And maybe they're also like just the perpetual victim in their mind.
And so when that's the narrative, then that's, I think, what we all kind of feed into and
feed on.
It's like, we all feel outsiders.
We all feel my mind.

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And then we see a story of our, you know, someone who looks like us getting victimized,
quote unquote, and we relate to on those levels.
And if that was the case with, you know, Latinos to a greater extent, and sometimes it is
the case with them, but not as much.
And that was like one of the primary narratives that you saw in culture as opposed to, let's
say, like, pop culture figures who happen to be Latino or Hispanic and who are cool.

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And we have, we have plenty of black people who are cool, too, like, you know, don't get
wrong.
But it's like, it's, it's always seemed like it's been other narratives around Latinos
besides like the perpetual victim.
And there's also like in the Hispanic aspect where it's like, whoo, here's this like swab
divinare, you know, Don Juan and this is all this other stuff where it's just like the black

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guys either like the bad guy or the victim.
Like that's, that's basically been it.
And then to the latter half of the 20th century, like a lot of the 21st century, there's
also been like the cool guy, you know, Will Smith in particular, but like for a long time,
it's like he's a bad guy as a victim.
That's what it means to be black African-American is a bad guy as a victim.

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So I think that's what it is, but then you go to like agents who, if you talk to agents,
especially like, you know, first generation, you know, people who've come from another country,
they'll talk to you like, I'm not Asian, I'm by country.
I'm Chinese.
I'm Chinese.
I'm not Asian Chinese.
Sorry for the city.
I'm not, I'm not, you know, I'm not Chinese.

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I'm Japanese.
I'm Korean, you know, like, you know, and they'll be very firm on that.
It's like, I'm not Asian.
You know, I'm not, I don't identify with a content like like people like I'm African.
What does that mean?
Are you from Kenya?
I mean, Nigeria like, it's like it's content.
It's not like country.
They'll say, no, I'm from this country.
So like, there's that with agents and then with Native Americans, like, you know, I'm

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not like, like, I'm Native American and like, I identify with that as a sort of race
and sort of like a broader diaspora, but like, I'm from this tribe.
Yeah, like I'm a black foot, you know, I'm, I'm Lakota.
I'm like this and that.
And so, with them, it's harder because similar to black people, their culture has been kind
of erased over time as they've kind of been forced to homogenize and say, we're just

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Native Americans, we're just Indian, we're just where we are.
But if you talk to the people who like know their history, they'll say, like, no, man,
I'm like, you know, I'm Irish in German.
I'm Lakota.
I'm this and that.
Not just like this, like, I'm not European, right?
Like, like, white people like people say sometimes, I'm white.
But they won't say I'm European.
They'll say, I'm white or they'll say like, I'm Irish, I'm German, I'm French, like, they'll

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say that.
And it's like, that's what it is to be like, somewhat in tune with your culture and to identify.
And so like, if you talk to, especially a French person, whether it's like a French American,
French Canadian, that's all other things.
A French Canadian, it's called a boi, that's all the other thing.
But like, you talk to a French person, sort of like the broader, like French culture,

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which is related to Europe and to the Americas.
They'll talk about it in terms that are much more concrete and specific than just like,
I'm a white guy or I'm a European guy.
And I think that's also the problem with Africans, with black people is like, we don't have
that.
You have first generation, like Africans from Africa are like, I'm Nigerian.

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But you don't have like black people who descended from slaves talking about like, I'm Nigerian
because they don't know a lot of us don't know where we're from.
Like, Sam Sharp, Jesse DNA test, he's like, oh, I'm 90% Nigerian, look at that.
He didn't know.
So as crazy, yeah, I actually talked to a real African like a week ago.

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And he wanted to know he was doing like a quarter quarter study.
He's like, what is your African name?
What is it?
And he, that's what he was asking all of the black people.
He didn't know me, but I talked to him for over half hour.
And he was like, what is your African name?
He said, people in America, like Asians still have Asian names, Japanese names or whatever

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like that.
He's like, that's big.
That's big and China.
That's big and China.
How come you don't have African name?
You don't know it.
Of course, Chinese cultures are the same.
And his whole like thesis was that African Americans are lost because they're not in touch
with their culture.
They don't know which country they're from.
They don't know the African name.
And his other big thing was he hates that African Americans are so offended by the

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inward.
He thinks that's complete bullshit.
He said, if you go to Africa right now, he said, he said, you, you, you white man, you call
me inward in Africa is nothing.
No problem.
It's just like calling you white or the table red.
He said, it's just, it's descriptive.
He said, why are you so offended by this?
It's descriptive.
That, that's what he said.
He said, why are you so offended?

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Why is this that?
Why is this that?
Yeah, yeah.
I think that's, that's also more maybe that's definitely the international thing.
And so I've heard that in like, Spanish countries, it's like, you know, you know, you know, it's
descriptive.
It's a color.
It's like, okay.
But this is also, this is this, this is other contextual things.
You'll get this, this, this, this, the same way that like, because there's a word in Chinese

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that sounds like the end word, but it's not, you know, you know, you got, you got, it's
like, it's the equivalent of saying, uh, or what in Chinese, but it sounds like, like,
it's, so it's like, it's a word.
And it's like, like, bringing it back, I was going to say what you were talking.
This is me like thinking, I wasn't, I'll admit it.
I was kind of zoned out.
I was like, wait, my tenses be, but I, I was thinking on this.

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We said, like, we're so offended.
The reality is, sorry, I'm pointing like, why are I pointing?
And I was like, or sooner, but like, we're so offended.
Like, the reality is for not, like, that's the thing.
It's kind of performative.
Like, not kind of it is.
It's performative.
But like, there's a performative nature to it where it's like,
when do we have to cut this?
Oh, no, he's giving us, yo, he's, he's giving us the whole thing.

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I said, this is what's going to get cut.
Oh, my God.
It's your power.
But it's the truth about the N word.
Oh, no.
No, this is tough.
We cannot let white people know this.
That's what I'm saying, Quinn.
This could be dangerous, dammit.
These white people are sociopaths.
They don't give a shit.
They already know.
That's the other thing is, it's just like, here's the two, there's more than two,

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like, here's an example of like two weirdos, like two sort of weird archetypes.
Two weirdos about the N word.
We're number one, typically black person, but sometimes also non-black person.
We're number one is someone who thinks that the word is magic and in a bad way and that
just saying it will unleash horrors and that any black person within air shot will no longer

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be responsible for their actions because they heard the word and they heard it out of
course, crucially, they heard it out of the mouth of someone who wasn't black, right?
If I say it, that's one thing.
Although I have an accent, well, I have an accent, but I have an accent that doesn't always
convey my color, quote unquote.
I don't sound black, whatever that means.
That means it's like, you know, side note, it sounds like, it should be black or it really

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should be a certain subset of the black community in America is to sound like an urban
southerner.
That's what it means.
It's like, bro, whenever I go on Xbox, it's inward, inward, inward, shut up, inward,
shut up.
I look like a backstreet boy, but I'm from Southern Louisiana, right?
And so it's like, it's funny.

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So you hit it on the head.
You could pass on the mic.
You could pass on the mic.
And there's plenty of white people who do have an accent that quote, they sound black.
I've seen asian people who sound black.
But it's really just an accent that sounds like you are, because that's what we call black
culture is just like a subset of the black culture that came from the South because
we came from a lot of those who came up in the South and then we went into urban centers

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like Detroit and Harlem and whatever, but we carried that culture with us.
So we have a urbanized Southern accent.
That's what it means to sound black or whatever, but anyway.
So, but to hear and see a non black person saying the end word, oh no, it's magic.
And now like all hell is breaking loose, you know, if you've cast a spell, that's one

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weirdo with the other weirdo is the white person who wants to say it so badly because because
the other, because of the first group basically, it's like, you know, all the white ladies say
you can't say the end word, all the black guys say you can't say the end word, you know, we
can say you can't say it.
And then this guy said, I want to say it, I want to say it so bad.

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It's like, you're both weird and cringe.
It's like, he can say it, but he shouldn't because it's stupid.
I shouldn't say it either.
Like, I, my philosophy on the end word is like, I'll say it.
I don't think it's magic.
I'll say it.
I know, I'm worried about saying it with you because I'm not sure if you want me to say it
because it's like, even you got to like, that's the one thing you got to sense here.

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No, no, no, say it.
I don't give a shout out to you.
Okay, nika nika nika.
That's not Chinese.
No, I sound Chinese.
No, I sound Chinese.
You do sound Chinese.
Exactly.
But like, literally, I don't care about that word.
There is so many more important things in the world.
You get like, here's your pala style, like the history of Germany, like a history of the American
self.
There's so many more important things to be concerned with than like a word, like a word.

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That's not magic.
And it's like, we should get to a point where we either feel about the way that like, we
should either feel about it's the way we feel about certain slurs, quote unquote, that we've
largely just kind of stopped caring about as much.
We should either feel about like the way we feel like content in the UK where it's just like,

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it's a sort, you know, like in Australia, it's like, it's just that thing you say.
It's a little vulgar, but it's fine.
Or because that's kind of where we are with the black community or like within the black
community, because we see using them for app songs, we use very liberally amongst ourselves.
Or we just get to it where, you know, again, the chosen people feel like the K word, where
it's like, you don't say it.
It's not cool if you say it's bad, but it's like it would be bad.

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Jerry Seinfeld said it or it'd be bad if I said it like, okay, but we got to pick one.
We can't just have this like weird thing where it's like Jerry can say the K word, but I can't
say that's make any sense.
That's what that's what the weirder white guys are like, I can say, but I can't, it's unfair.
It's like, yeah, that's, that's kind of, that's kind of, that's kind of, that's the weird
old white guy is doing it because black people are so fucking cool, specifically the poor

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Southern black people who like, who tend to like control culture, right?
They make the rap music and stuff like that.
They can dance.
Oh my gosh, they got cornrows.
He does.
He have a face tattoo and like, you're little Johnny sitting in the suburbs in Springfield,
Illinois and like, you're fucking lame.
Your whole culture is milk toast and fucking sucks.
And so like, you see all of this and like the coolest thing at your, at your all white school,

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the coolest kid is like, dancing like a black person and he's rapping and stuff.
So it's like, well, fuck that.
So that's why if you don't want a little nerdy white kid saying the N word, stop being so
fucking cool, bro.
Yeah.
What's that meme?
You're, you're, you're drip to fine.
You're, you're ladies too bad.

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Like, yeah, no, we can't help it.
The ors, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the ascension of the cool black guy was again,
I think it started basically like, I mean, technically, it probably started in like, like,
the twang sensory with like black for tasting a little before that, but like it, do you
get it?
That true?
Yeah, definitely.
Definitely.
Yeah, definitely in the 20th century, either way, definitely in the 20th century, definitely

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in the last century, you know, back before either restaurant board, cool black guys were
ascendant, you know, mom and I'll leave, among others.
And so like, something went black people, just like black males were cool, then the idea
of like again, this area type of, he's a bad guy.
He was a victim.
Okay, maybe he's something else.

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And then, and, but he's also still like really countercultured because it's not cool to
be black because it's, because getting like, when mom, I'll leave his black, it's like, man,
we got to get this guy out of box and you got to break right hope in there.
We got to get this like, it's like, it's not cool, but it's cool because it's not cool.
It's like, it's cool because it's countercultural.
Now it's just cool because it's cool.
It's like, it's just in this fashion, whatever, and like trend setting, but yeah, it's, it's

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complicated for sure.
I would hope realistically, I think we're going to trend to the point where where Nega is
going to be like content.
We're just going to say it.
There's still people who are like, essentially an America who are like really sensitive
about the C were two.
So like, it's always going to be a little bit of America.
We have so many things with language, so many things like again, I've used this word
all pretty liberally, you know, in this podcast, but I'll continue to, but like, the people

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who have an issue with the R word, you know, and then like this is, there's the F words
or the F retard retard.
Retard retard.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't say that.
We've, we've, we've, we've, we've, the retards, you know, literally speaking, have
reclaimed that word.
We've reclaimed it.
We can say it again.
But the internet retards quote unquote, I'm autistic, so I think I have a little bit of a
pass.
That's my, that's my R pass.

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That's, that's my autistic.
But, um, but like, there, there's a time, especially like back in the 20, 10s, where it's
like, you can't say that.
That's a story.
You can't say that.
The F slur, the people still don't use that.
And that's fine.
Like, we can, we can let them and die.
It's like, it's fine.
You know, the word that's a bundle of sticks.
No, the F word is fuck.
The F slur is faggot.

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And that's like a bundle of sticks or, you know, a cigarette in the UK.
Yeah, cigarette, I'll smoke a fag.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And it's like, all these things, it's like all these things that Americans are picking,
like, that's actually, that's like, I don't think internationally we actually get enough
shit for is being weird old language police because in Europe, especially going back to,

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you know, like, Kant, the fact it and all this other stuff, they just like let all this
stuff fly.
And I mean, it's like, it's like, it's the kind of thing they say on the news, like on the
BBC or with the queen, but they say this stuff casually to each other, like, and like on TV
and maybe even on the radio, just something like that.
Like they say this stuff, whereas we like, oh, we're cutting our pearls.
Oh my God, he said, the R word, he said the F slur, he said this, he said that.

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So I would actually love going back to my writing.
If I was going to write a piece, a guy, a guy, a guy for my stuff, like, let's do it.
Americans as like forget, you know, team America, world police.
Team America language police.
Americans as like the language police of the world.

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Like we're the most uptight, lame retarded about language because we have all these words
that we feel like we can't say, all these certain people can say it.
Other countries are just like, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,
nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, and,
and you know what you're right?

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And it does seem to be somewhat of a new for now and all right?
So I went to school with an 85% black people, 10% white and 5% other, right?
And so I was around, I was, I don't know, I'm sorry, I don't know who that is.
>> You know, nigga, hell is?
>> What?
>> Dude, I do not vote, I don't follow politics, I don't follow news, none of this is.

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>> You're pretty political throughout this podcast, you don't vote in politics, what the hell?
>> No, bro, I'm listening to you, I'll just listen to you.
>> Of course, that's okay, she's an Indian American politician who famously, within like the last six months said that she couldn't get into a beauty contest.
She was like pretty hot back in her day.
She's all right now.

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>> Would you fuck her?
>> She sees a lot too.
>> [LAUGH]
>> I joke, I joke, I joke, back in my dad is alive, joke that me and my dad had his, he's sorry this and I was kind of, I cringed at it, but
I've become more sympathetic to it since I've gotten older, he's like, he would say that we date the same age.
If a girl is too old for me, it's too old for him.

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So it's like, she's too old for us.
But he's like 20, 30 years older than me.
>> But, you know, like, who girls, are you serious?
They'll suck the skin off of you.
>> It's okay.
>> So it depends, but it's like, if a woman is really,
if a woman of a certain age is attractive to me, the age is not attractive, it's just like a generic thing about her as well as her looks.

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And it's like, you wouldn't know, it's like Kate, I know, she sees, unfortunately, I think for
no reason, it's starting to show on her, maybe it's like a bad makeup or whatever, but
Kate back and sale back and especially like five, 10 years ago, but for the last, I would say 20 years.
For most of her life, Kate back and sale has been super hot, and obviously, at least 20, 15 years older than me.

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She's already had a kid.
But Kate back and sale is hurly.
There's a number of attractive, I think it's always like the prettiest woman.
This is just, American woman too, like, ends the bass set.
There's some, but it's just like, they're just like, generically just beautiful, awesome women.
It's not just like, oh, I'm attracted to you because you're older.
It's like, I'm attracted to you because you're attractive and you just happen to be older.

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But anyway, yeah, Nika Haley just famously said like, she had to check a other on her documents for whatever in school
and trying to get into a beauty contest.
You couldn't get in because it was just like, it's black or white and there's no other category.
It's like, she's the other, because he's Indian, but anyway, sorry.
That is so weird.
I guess the question is, where did, because this speech police or whatever, it does seem like an emerging phenomenon, right?

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It's kind of like, maybe this didn't exist 15 years ago.
When you have 21st century, it started in the 21st century for sure.
It was bubbling up last century, but it didn't really start properly until public, the late 2000s, I want to say.
But what, there wasn't a big moment like that, oh, there wasn't an ah-ha moment.

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Like, what purpose is this serving?
Because it sounds like your thesis is, it's like, hey, these people are not really offended, but they're using this word to black.
Most of them.
Yeah, exactly.
They're using this word to like, wield power or something over you.
Like, what is the motivation for this behavior?
Well, you just, you just said it, you know, these power, power is a great motivator, man.
Power motivated, Hitler, power motivated, most politicians, power motivated, most like, ascendant cultural figures,

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power motivates some influencers to understand, like power motivates, a son, power motivates, I mean,
it probably doesn't motivate Asmond Gold, because I think like, he's like openly said,
I get, not trying to put him out there as like, you know, the guy, but he's openly said, like, I try not to like,
like squeeze by followers from money, I don't run ads to the extent of my channel that I could, blah, blah.

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So like, some people are less motivated by, you know, stuff like that, but power is a great motivator.
So if you can use language and offense and victim status to your benefit, why wouldn't you?
And I think also there's one of the theories, there's a lot of competing fears or competing hypothesis, hypothesis around this is like,

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our generation, you know, millennials and younger, millennials, and so on, people who are, you know, in their 30s, 20s, etc.
We don't have that great war, literally a metaphor.
We don't have that great conflict. We don't have that great struggle that previous generation has had.
Like even Gen X to some extent had had greater struggles than we have had in some regards.
And so we, the myth that we build around ourselves is the myth that we are struggling more than we are.

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And that is bolstered by the idea that like, we have to deal with microaggressions and racism.
You know, it's just as bad as it, for me, as it was for my grandfather, it wasn't at all not even close.
But like we have to tell ourselves that, you know, we haven't really progressed because then I can feel, quote unquote,
like people, something looks like me, you can feel like they are struggling and a great, you know, hero of their own story.

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In the same way as their forefathers, when in reality, it's like, it's capped, like, you're doing okay.
It's like, I tell people economically, we're probably doing worse and you've probably heard stories that affect.
But even that's a little overblown because I've talked to people about that.
And they're like, well, it's also like, we're relatively young.
There's going to be a huge wealth transfer when our parents die.

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It's like, millennials are pro, like all the moments, a lot, not all, a lot of money that boomers have right now is going to end up in the, in millennials' hands.
A lot of the power, you know, they're going to have to die at some point.
Like we don't have the, the, the, the, the infant, the immortality technology just yet.
Eventually Biden's going to die eventually, you know, like all these politicians, et cetera, they're going to die.
They're going to pass their money on, they got to pass the houses on.

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There's going to be a millennial presence. It's going to happen.
Whether you like it or not. So it just a matter of time.
But like for right now, can sometimes feel like, oh, you know, I'm never going to own a house.
I'm never going to have, you know, I'm never going to see someone who looks like me elected into public office.
Just wait. It's going to take time. It's going to happen.
I'm not going to wait, but that's basically what it is. It's like we, we, we, we, we use language policing as a way of getting power and as a way of self a grand disment.

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For my part, I just try to, again, just try to treat people as people and just try to be cool.
There was a time in my life where I was a lot more cringy political in the other way of even saying like, you know, don't say that.
That's a swear. I did. I literally said that people in conversation is like, bro, except the fuck up.
And they were right. Even if I was right on the merits, like, don't say, you know, fact it because it's like kind of fucked up.

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Don't say like gay, to mean lame. It's kind of fucked up. It is. It's the same time.
It's like when you're the guy who says that in a party, it's like, okay, except the fuck up.
Back it. It's lame. So, so I get it. I get it. I think it's the both sides. I can see both sides.
That's the other thing. It's like, that's another meme. Like, you know, both sides, but oftentimes there's like two sides or different things.
Like, it's stupid and lame to use homophobic language to mean things that are stupid and lame to just like,

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dig or date people in general. You don't mean being gay is lame. You don't quote him, "Hey, it's hair. It's not hate, brother."
You know, you don't mean it's hate, but it sounds that way to like the outside observer versus it's also kind of lame to always be the buzzkill in a party trying to language police everybody and say like,
you shouldn't say that. It's like, have a conversation. Like, go back and forth with them. If you really, if this really bothers you and you think you can help, like listen to them and you listen to them and they listen to you and maybe you'll get somewhere with it, but like,

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a lot more can be achieved by listening and learning versus just like talking at people. So, of course, yeah. And that's our true. I've always viewed it as like,
like, they use a lot of people use those slurs in the same way. Like, they're just trying to hurt you, right? And by letting it be known that, hey, this slur is an easy way to piss me off, it's almost like,

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it's like you have a new vulnerability. So, like, for example, growing up, like, I got made fun of because I'm white, people didn't want to pick me on the basketball.
I don't want to white boy in my basketball team. Like, I had girls, but like, I don't want to date no boy with a small white dick, this type of shit. But to me, it was, it always, it never felt like these people had anything against me because I was white.

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They just wanted to make fun of me. Just period point, like, like, they, those same people would make fun of me because I had a pimple, those same people make fun of me.
If I was fat, this type of stuff, it just, to me, whenever I got made fun of for this type of shit, it just always felt like it's the same thing is saying, like, hey, shut up for eyes or something like that.
Sure. Don't ever catch any of my abilities.

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Exactly. That's what it felt like. It never really, like, I've never had someone who I've really felt like hated someone because of the color of their skin or because they were Jewish or something like that.
I definitely have. I definitely think it's real. I'm not going to say like we revolve past it. It's definitely real, but just in my life.
No, yeah, sure. What I, what I would say to that is, I think you're more right than you're wrong, but what I would say, and ironically, this is where, you know, having a malinated shield can be useful because I can say these things.

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And people don't think that I'm just a cringe angry, you know, white gamer. It's like, there is anti-white racism. It does exist.
It's actually like, I mean, I know you're going to mention her name because she's like not a great spokesperson for her cause in this regard, but there's a certain political commentator who has said like just change the headline or change the statement, like, you know, white people shut up, change that to any other ethnicity.

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It's like a fuck of thing you shouldn't say. It's like if it's a fucked up for you to say like, don't you shouldn't have a headline that says black was a shot, isn't people shut up, like, etc.
And then, you know, you know, you shouldn't have a single thing that says white people shut up, you shouldn't have this thing of like, oh, like, it's, it's super cool that we're going to change the race of Isaac Newton in this TV show or going to,

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this is just me of like ginger or ratio, like, it's so weird that it's even like, like, like, so specific, but this is, if you can Google this and this again, it sounds like a weird conspiracy.
But just like, Google like ginger or racer or like, why are so many gingers becoming black people and add up tastes and popping me?
It's like, you look at, as far as I'm, it hasn't already happened with with with Archie, but it's happened with Annie. It's happened with Jimmy Olson. It's happened with like a number of gingers when they get adapted, like, from comics or from books or from cartoons into live action to become black, like, not just they become a different race.

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They become a different gender become black April and Neil. It's like, why is always gingers? I guess it's so fucking weird. But more broadly, like, there are people who would say, hey, man, it's not hate.
It's just like, just how I feel or, you know, just, just, just, just, just bust and balls, but in reality, it's kind of mixture when, when you have black people or other non-white people who will say things that kind of

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are shooting on white people, like, it's because they can. And I would say it's bad in the same way as like a culture of misogyny is bad or a culture of
misandry is bad. It's like, it's not cool to shoot on women just because they're women, it's not cool to shoot on men. It's just a men and having a culture that normalizes discrimination or shitty behavior toward a particular group, a gay, for example, gay people is not great. And we should try to move past that because

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at a certain point, what you're going to see, I'm already seeing this with like, again, the chosen people, the Jews, the Jewish people, like, when you normalize shooting on white people too much, eventually people move on to other groups that are white adjacent. And you get like, Asian hate because they're white adjacent or Jewish hate because they're white adjacent. And then it's just like, oh, wait, this is actually really fucked up when you stop making it white or European. And you say like, hey, I hate the Zionist.

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I hate the Jews or I hate the Asians. It's like, yeah, it was always fucked up. You just didn't appreciate it because it was the appropriate group. It was an acceptable target. So I usually just say like, don't say those fucked up things. Try not to, you know, just think about it for a few more minutes and realize like it's fucked up regardless of who it is. And like also,

(01:35:44):
it's like, it's a thing people say, but it's actually true. Race is a construct. Social construct is not real. Like, we're all human beings. We're all the same species. Melon is literally just, it's more equivalent to hair color or eye color in terms of its genetic impact on our bodies and our lives.
I mean, it's a little more important because it means that I don't sunburn as easily as you do, but it's like really not a big deal versus like gender is more real, but it's also kind of mutable. But like the main thing is stop making people into their identity characteristics.

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Make them into like people like literally Martin Luther King is it's cliche, but treat people as people treat people on their character of the color of their skin, bringing her to the nonsense because.
We're only on this planet again, we're not gonna live forever like I was saying before we're not gonna live forever, we're rolling on this planet for like 100 years or less.
We got to make a count I personally am of the belief that like this is it like I'm sort of atheistic, but I think that this world is really important. We should try to make this life like good for ourselves and for others.

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And if you're spending even a few years collectively like being shitty on someone because of what they look like, it's always the time just just do something else.
And did we just say like, hey man, we need stop policing speech and then we just spent 10 minutes policing speech with a little bit more nuance.

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So I'm never going to tell someone they can't be racist.
No, no, really, I'm not gonna tell someone they can't be racist, I'm never gonna tell someone they can't have a fucked up agenda or fucked up politics.
I'm going to try to have a conversation with them if I feel it's productive.
I don't know, I tell people all the time, I don't debate the internet, I don't know, cringe, but if I can have a dialogue or I can have a talk with somebody, I'll say like, hey man, have you ever stopped and just thought about like how you talk about white people or how you talk about men or how you talk about women.

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It's kind of fun.
Maybe you thought about it, just really, if you thought about it, it's just like, it's asked them questions and then see what that goes anywhere.
I'm not going to tell someone they can't say something, it's going to ask them, have you thought about what you say and how it sounds.
But even that is like people, it's essentially like a synonym for like, hey bro, why are you saying that man?
Like the cringe guy or whatever.

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Just to be clear, the people who would say not picking me on the basketball team because I'm white or the girls who would be like, oh fuck you shrimp dick, it wasn't because they didn't like the color of my skin, it's because they were 15 and assholes and I was a 15 year old asshole too.
Teenagers are weird.
Teenagers are weird as fuck.
Teenagers are weird as fuck.
I've learned the hard way just like talking to, sorry, they're talking to young people and like, like, looking at the young media, it's like, I had no idea, I was homeless school.

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I didn't always like even have a connection to like my peers at that age, but it's like teenagers are so fucking weird.
And they're also like, they're so weird, but they're also like so lacking in self awareness, but also so kind of socially empowered to just like act out as a whole my fucking god.
Like you're not an adult yet, but you're close and you act like it.

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And yet you don't know even have what you think you do, you think you know everything, but you don't know like shit is like, oh my fucking god.
And then you're going to look back on everything you said and did and you're going to cringe so hard, not just because it's lame, but just because like you had so you just knew so little and you thought this mattered and didn't say, oh my god.

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So yeah, you're right, you're right.
Again, it's probably not hates all of them just being like young and stupid, but there are adults who act the same way.
And it's just like, okay, at a certain point, we can't keep apologizing for this when you're saying like, hey, so I just don't hang out.
I just don't hang out with white people because I just think they're lame.
How do you?
What time is it? What day is it?
Yeah, and it always seems to be the people that are like very out of touch.

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Like, yeah, it's like it seems like, like whenever I meet people who actually have hung out with different groups, hey, atheists, Christians, black, white, Jew, all of this, they always just like, hey, like, yeah, just come, come at me where you are.
You know, hey, you're just a person. I'm just a person. It seems like that is whenever people are just like, I can't talk to your white devil.

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Just like, there's something going on there. I don't judge them.
But people who never met an atheist will have the strongest, most cringe opinions of an atheist.
We're just people who never meet, who never hang out with atheists, we'll have the most strong and cringe opinions about atheists.

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People who never hang out with white people have the most strong cringe opinions about white people, people knowing how black people will so on and so on.
It's just like, just hang out with something. Hang out with a gay person, hang out with a white person, hang out with a religious person, hang out with an atheist, hang out with a whatever.
You'll start to realize, hang out with more than one, by the way, because that's tokenism in knowing how one.
But hang out with a bunch and just like realize, you know, they're people. We're all just kind of people.

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Like, it sounds all hippie hippie, but it's true. We're all people.
You know, just chill like, that's that's really what it is. Like they just don't know. That's what I'm saying.
Like, let's say even even if like you hate me because I'm white, I hate you because you're black.
We're so similar, right? We wake up, we brush our teeth, we hate stepping on Legos, we probably like puppy dogs.
Yeah, kids.
No, I do not have kids, but I do have dogs and I hate stepping on dog bones.

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We probably like eating burgers, you know, we probably would eat rather pizza than a time like we're all the same, man.
But let me ask you this, would you go to a party of Diddy and Vydeach?
Well, as Kat said, when Diddy wants the party, he got to tell him no, even if it's $50 million on the line.
So I guess I have to go with Kat and just say no. I'll be honest with you though, the funny thing about all that is, it's not funny.

(01:41:40):
It's actually, you know, very dark and sorted, but like I've never even been close to any situation where I've had to like really test my morals or test my personal, you know, boundaries in that regard.
I've never even come close and and the thing I often say going back to sort of the humility and like to have, you know, civility where the people is like, don't judge people too harshly for making moral compromises that you've never even had to think about.

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It's like, I don't know what it was like for usher or Bieber or whoever in that situation. I don't know, right? I'm not judging.
But, but probably not, probably not based on what I've seen, probably would hang on our Kelly there, wouldn't hang out with Woody for that matter, wouldn't hang out with Woody.
Wouldn't hang out with a lot of people if I could help it. Now, if I didn't know, right, I don't know what I don't know. I could be Tarantino.

(01:42:36):
I could be writing the next great screenplay and directing the next great movie and hang out with some fucked up guys who haven't even produced us.
And then I find out like 10 years later one of these guys, you know, was a touch and Terry Cruz like, all right, I didn't know, man. I didn't know, I'm sorry.
I didn't know.
But, if I know, if I have any idea, I'm going to try to avoid it. I'm going to try to keep my principles and you know, all of my, you know, virgin extremities and whatnot.

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Yeah, yeah, I think I would go because I'm fucking stupid, but I think I would go, but I would bring like two friends and I'd like listen, you know, Zach and Brian or whatever you guys names are, like you do not leave me, okay.
Do not leave me and you have permission to physically punch me if like this guy is trying to give me $50 million to suck his dick or something. Like just fucking punch me, dude. Just do it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I think that is all I have a foreshadowing out of time. Yeah, yeah, I was going to say I didn't want to take too much of your time, either.
No, I'm sorry. And the real reason I'm out of time is because the video editor program that I use can only render up to two hours of video.
147 because I'm a broke bitch, but quit tell people where they could find you and you're also more I'm so sorry, we didn't get to talk more about your writing and whatnot. I think honestly you've done more so by just like,

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you know, I'm not talking about all the random shit I've thrown at you any rank by the way people who's listen, this is not easy, right. I come like out of the field. No, not script. We don't know we're talking about.
Not script at all. I think that this is more of an endorsement for you as a thinker and a writer anything you do include your substake. So please tell people where they could find you.
Yes, OK, so I'm Quinn Q also known as EDOKWIN, EDOKWIN and you can google that.

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I'm primarily I'm Twitter also known as X and that's like my main hub where I just, you know, talk and share like links to my long form content and writing this month in April.
I'm doing a whole script in one month and I'm cataloging it over the course of each day. I'm actually a little behind on my goal. I'm supposed to do eight pages. I only do three. So I'm going to have to make that today and then going forward.

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But that's going to be fun.
And probably when it's done, I'll publish that somewhere.
I am trying to get more happening in the writing world in general and I look forward to I want engaged. I'm not just trying to get like random followers. Just people to click on my profile. I want you to actually engage. I want you to talk to me. I talk back. I, you know, at me.

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I'm not scared. That's one thing I will say. I people are like, don't at me. Leave me alone. Like I, it's like that scene from I know the poverty rambling. So I'll make this quick. But it's like a scene from Jack Reacher the movie on the TV show.
Remember you wanted this. I wanted this. I asked for this. I've made the bargain for the fowl thing bargain that I've made is I would like to be famous if only because I know that I'll facilitate my writing.

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So I would like to get more people to engage with me. And hopefully I can give something to you by way of my, you know, intellectual pursuits. So follow me on Twitter. Check me out on Substack. And yeah, it's all I got.
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