Interview With The One And Only Marisa Love

When art, poetry, animal communication, magic and rock & roll all get combined you get Marisa Love.  Payton and Shayla got to spend a wonderful evening connecting with Marisa and sharing her magic with the world.  Marisa is an extremely insightful intuitive who shares with us how she beautifully channels insightful messages through her art, music and poetry. She is our first animal communicator we've interviewed on our show and shares with us how sometimes we over complicate how easy it is to receive insight from the animal kingdom.  Especially, her beloved bunny.  Marisa's magical way of weaving words together was very inspiring during this episode. This even led to discussions about how important our words are when sharing intuitive messages with others.    After sharing with our listeners her fun and expansive journey of rediscovering her gifts, we had a round table discussion touching on a few triggers amongst the spiritual community, a few experiences with Archangel Michael and we poked fun at a few over-used phrases in spiritual lingo.  Please enjoy this very fun and expansive interview.    Connect with Marisa:   Instagram: the_ladybug_line Website: The Ladybug Line Podcast Youtube   Our Links: https://bit.ly/Souly-Links

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome.
You're listening to Souly apodcast, driven by curiosity in
spirituality with intuitive mediums.
Shayla and Payton.
Join us as we ask questions, createconversation, and share in an open
and heart-centered way our personalexperiences and mystical ponderings.

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If you're spiritually curious and wannabe a part of the conversation, then
this is the perfect space for you.
This is Souly.

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Hello, everyone, and we are so excitedtoday to have the one and only Marisa Love
joining us today from The Ladybug Line.
Marisa, how are you?
I'm good.
I'm so excited to be here.
Thank you so much for inviting me.
I squealed when I got thevoice memo from you, Shayla.
I was like,

(01:04):
yeah.
We're so excited to have you onbecause you've You've actually been
listening to our show for quite a while.
And then Payton told me aboutyou and I saw your profile and I
was like, this lady is so cool.
We have to have her on our show.
And Payton was like, yeah, we have tohave her on and just like chat it up.
So we're so excited to have you on today.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, I do.
I'm a big fan of your show.

(01:24):
I just listened today to the most recentone with Mary Beth and it was great.
Yeah, she's awesome.
Yes, she's amazing.
so you reached out to me, pretty earlyon after we, went live with the show.
I think, I mean, you've been listening,I feel since pretty close to the
beginning and it was one of the episodes.
That I can't remember if it was the,evolution astrology episode, or if we were

(01:49):
talking about past life regressions orsomewhere, but I was sharing how I have
had in during my past life regressionsand in readings I've received where
people have looked into my past life.
It keeps coming up that I'm prettysure I was on the Titanic, and then
you reached out to me and shared.
You were like, I was also on the Titanic.

(02:10):
So, yeah,
of all things to connect over
of all things.
It's, it's so funny because, My brotherwho is super supportive of what I do.
That is the one dart he loves to throw.
It's me saying that I was on the Titanic.
So he'll I'm sure we'll love thiswhen he hears this, this episode.
and it's fun because now onsocial media, every time anything

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comes up on our feed, that is.
At all related to Titanic.
we always, share that with each other,which is, which has been really fun.
So, and then, you also have a lot ofconnections with blue herons and stuff.
So you've, you've shared that with meas that being my mediumship handle.
So I, I appreciate how much supportyou've always given and how much
love you've always sent our way.

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And I'm so excited to have you here.
So if you would, would you pleaseshare with our audience a little bit
about yourself, maybe how you came.
Into this world, what it is, all thatyou do, and what you love about it.
Just share your magic, please.
Yeah.
You've gotcha.
thank you for sharing your magicwith me and I love that your brother.

(03:13):
See, if he hears this, he'sgoing to be like, Oh my God,
another Titanic kook out there.
So now you know, exactly.
So my name is Marisa and I haveknown since I was very small, that
at some point in my future, I wouldbe doing some kind of psychic stuff.
That's how I always,framed it on the inside.

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You know what I mean?
As a kid, it's just somekind of psychic stuff.
Some kind of, I just knowthings and I see things.
But I never knew until I was, 20 somethingthat that could actually be a job.
I could do that for real.
I just thought, well, at somepoint, maybe there's going to be
some sort of apocalyptic situation.

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And like, this is me as a kid.
So I've always kind ofcatastrophized life, even though
I find life really magical.
So it's an interesting thing.
But I always thought somethingreally big is going to happen.
And then maybe my superpowerswill come in handy.
but then I got to be, you know, in mytwenties and I had been waiting and
waiting for this knock on the door.
To say, like, it was as if I was waitingfor someone to come say, okay, it's time.

(04:18):
Here are your jobs now.
And here's how you go do it.
And I'll go do it.
And that wasn't happening.
And the knock in my mind wasgetting louder and louder.
And the feelings were growing stronger.
And the more I didn't investigateit or honor it, the sadder I
felt and the more lost I felt.
But I was like, well, you know, I'ma, I'm a three number, like my three,
three, three girl, that's my jam.

(04:39):
So I was like, well, maybe whenI'm 30 and then I was 30 and I had
done some investigating, takingsome classes, read some books, but
like, it still wasn't like, hello.
And then when I was 33, it just.
elevated so much.
And I thought, okay,33, that's still three.
That's fine.
That counts.
and at the time I had been bartendingfor a lot of years and being, I know that

(05:02):
you relate to this being so sensitive.
That is quite the job to haveas a highly sensitive person.
and I noticed that I was drinkingmore than I really would like to be.
Because of all the energies I wasabsorbing in the like 12 hour bartending
shift, you know, it was just a lotand I was like, Hmm, I need to get a

(05:22):
job where the energies I'm absorbingare also feeding me where it's a give
and take and it's a reciprocal processbecause I just felt like I was just being
yanked and drained, you know, as muchas I did enjoy bartending to a point.
When I reached that, that year, Irealized this is toxic for me now.
And the mystical pull was gettingkind of not overwhelming, but it was

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a lot, you know, I was, I was hyperaware of it and I couldn't stuff
it down anymore with booze or, youknow, I had been in a band for years.
So I was just very much livingthat rock and roll lifestyle.
And I had this feeling that I wasgoing to have to give all that up.
In order to really pursue my quote,psychic stuff, I didn't feel that they
could go together until maybe furtherdown the line, you know, I was like,

(06:09):
well, maybe I could do the psychic stuffand maybe in my fifties, they'll find
a way to blend together or something.
but I really held on for dear life, along time to the rock and roll lifestyle
because it was my identity and I liked it.
You know, and it was very much me.
I got to be on stage and I got to sing,and I had that, outlet, you know, and
a lot of the songs I wrote, I didn'tknow at the time, but they were a

(06:32):
form of channeling as well, right?
Like a lot of music is channeling.
Um, especially when people arejust, they can just jam for hours.
I was not a jammer.
but I always just thinkthat is so magical.
And that's serious channeling right there.
Right.
so I was taking classes, and the moreclasses I took, the more, disjointed I
felt in the life I had adopted as mine.

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And I started feeling,like, really out of place.
Even though I'm generally a reallycomfortable person, you know, I can
hang out with any crowd and that's fine.
I'm cool.
but I just started feeling weirder andweirder and it was almost like I was
reverting back to my, like my middleschool days where I just felt like a weird
outcast, even around people who I've beenfriends with for so long, you know, like

(07:16):
the whole crew I would run around with.
I just, I just.
ill.
And it's because, you know, our, ourfrequencies weren't aligning anymore.
so that kind of sucked.
I know you guys are nodding.
I'm sure you very much relate tothis painful journey of expansion.
Um, yeah, like talk about growing pains.
and of course I had no oneto talk about all of this.

(07:37):
With really like my parents are reallymystically inclined, so I'm very blessed
in that way, but I didn't have anypeers to talk about it with and while
like my husband is really supportive.
It's not like his realm, youknow, so to go say to someone.
Oh, this eagle told me.
This weird riddle today andI'm trying to figure it out.

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Do you want to help me?
Like that doesn't fly.
It doesn't go well.
They're like, do youwant to go get a shot?
I'm like, no, I don't want tequila.
I want the Eagles riddle to be solved.
And, right around COVID, whichCOVID was actually declared on
my birthday on March 11th, 2020.
Just how my birthday seemed to go.
Yeah.
I had been wishing for three months ofquiet time, because at that point I felt

(08:22):
like I was crawling out of my skin withthe need to really develop my gifts.
It was just like, You know,it almost physically hurt.
And I said, I just really need threemonths of quiet time so I can actually
get a handle on what this stuff is.
Because at that point it wasstill very much like a messy
collage in my mind of potentials.

(08:43):
But lots of confusion and a veryburning desire to get better., so COVID
came and I got my three months andthen some, and I just dove right into
all the online classes I could take.
And I started going out on my frontporch every morning before the sun came
up and just doing channeled poetry.
And that's really how I came to discoverthat, For me, my strongest form of

(09:07):
channeling is with the written word.
And I was getting messages for myself,for my own personal development
through those poems every single day.
And, you know, reading back on someof them, like, they're not like,
wow, like some of them, like thesesuck, I should get rid of them.
But no, it shows the progress, right?
It shows that I was still very muchfinding my feet with this, I don't

(09:29):
know, modality, if that's the word.
And it took me a really long timeas well to actually be able to say
without wanting to crawl into a balland hide, I do channeling, you know, I,
I thought that for a long time becauseit has such this scary connotation.
but once I really embraced thatwithin myself and was able to share
that with others, which I rememberbeing really, really scared.

(09:52):
The first time I shared oneof my channeled poems on
Instagram, I was freaking out.
But as soon as I hit post.
It was like, you know, I felt like I wasin Mario land and I had just passed the
big boss, you know, I was like, I did it.
I feel the level up.
Okay.
And I discovered that the more Ishowed up in my scary truths, the

(10:15):
stronger, all my gifts became.
And yeah, that's kind ofhow I'm, I'm here today.
And through all of that, I, thought I hadto just be one thing, you know, I thought
I just had to be a psychic, period.
Or, you know, an animalcommunicator, period.
And I got kind of confused therefor a bit about, well, who am I?
I'm all these things.
And then I realized, I am allthese things and that's okay.

(10:36):
And in doing readings, you noticehow all these different aspects of
your gifts work together, right?
They all, they all help each other out.
It's like we all have,we're all octopus or octopi.
We all have all these things.
All these legs and arms,or whatever they are.
Tendrils?
Ugh, such a gross word.
And they all kind of, you know, they helpeach other out where you need it most.

(11:00):
So now I'm just okay with being asmorgasbord of stuff, and um, I know
that I'm always growing, and I knowthat there's still going to be more
scary things out there for me tostep in front of the world, however
that looks, and say, this is me, andI'm doing this, and then gulp, and
then hopefully pass the big boss.
Okay.
I love everything you just said.

(11:22):
I feel like this is an example oflike how storytelling and like just
sharing your life can be so profoundand like so many people I think are
going to resonate with this becausewhile I was listening, I'm like, okay,
that's like totally a lot of the thingsthat I was feeling or going through.
And it's so interesting.
Cause like the band thingthat totally makes sense.
Like you recently, it was aroundyour birthday, I think it was.

(11:44):
Yeah.
You posted a song on Instagramand I was like, Oh my God.
I love this.
And you have a phenomenalvoice, so that makes sense.
You have a background.
Thank you.
And stuff like that.
And just, you know, what you saidabout the channeling in music, I
think that's something that's so true.
I find that in mediumship andeven Mary Beth mentioned that in
the podcast about how spirit willcome through music or channeling.

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I think so many of us are channeling We'rejust not using that word because like you
said it has so many scary connotationsor it sounds weird or like Something
you shouldn't be doing or someone'sgonna think you're crazy because it's
like, oh i'm hearing voices, right?
or something like that, but really itjust channeling comes in so many different
ways and it is It's a way for us toconnect to our higher self, to the spirit

(12:30):
world, to our ancestors, all of that.
And so I think one of the questionsI have for you with that, just going
more into channeling is like, whatdoes channeling feel like for you?
Like, how do you do like,what is the sensation?
How do you know it's channeling?
How do you know it's not reallycoming from Marisa, more so
from like a different source?
Because I think that'ssomething that a lot of people.

(12:51):
Question.
They're like, is this just me oris this, you know, something more?
And am I connecting to something more?
So I'd love to hear like howyou channel in that way and
what it feels like for you.
Yeah, so it's an excellent question.
And it's something that I myself battledwith and I still do honestly sometimes,
you know, I think it's always good to beyour biggest skeptic critic no skeptic.

(13:13):
Yes.
I feel like I'm, I always, yeah.
Right.
I need a lot of evidence.
For myself, even though I'm very muchlike, uh, I believe in everything.
Anything is possible kind of girl.
I, I need that evidence.
so I've been, you know, actively,it's a weird, weird word, but
actively channeling intentionally.
That's what I wanted to say.
Since like 2020 and how I came todiscern the difference is like I can

(13:39):
tell when it's from my prism self,which is what I call my higher self,
because I like the word prism better.
And then there's a spirit.
And then there's also, you know, Icall them cosmic dancers or cosmic
helpers where they're more galacticor they're not necessarily like.
a spirit friend stopping by, they'rea group of energy or something.
Right.

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and then I noticed there was also, I wasgetting messages from animals, like my,
my spirit guides that were my animalsat the time, say an elephant showed
up, a poem would come from an elephant.
And when I sat, I took one day actuallyand I thought, how do I know what is.
From whom and what is just from me.
Cause again, like I am superimaginative, which is why I

(14:22):
have access to this so easily.
I'm always saying, you know,imagination is the gateway drug.
And then I kind of roll my eyes at myself.
I'm like, Oh, 20 year old Marisa islike, just judging you so hard for
saying that right now, but it's thetruth, you know, um, but because
of my imagination, you know, I, Ineed that evidence, as I said, so.
I realized that when it's frommy prison self, it's more like a

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partnered exercise of channeling,where I am participating consciously.
You know, I'll be like, thatword doesn't want to go there.
That word wants to go there.
That's not the right word.
and when I read it back and I alwaysread them out loud, whether it's for
For someone else in a reading or justfor myself on my porch, because I
find that reading it out loud reallyacts as the activator for the message

(15:09):
that sometimes doesn't immediatelypresent with the words, but when I
read them back out loud, I either hearmy voice, like how I would talk or
how I would read a book to a child.
And then I know this is from myprism self, my higher self, but
with the, the cosmic dancers.
And as well as spirit, but it reallydepends on the spirit because they all

(15:30):
have different personalities, right?
If it's like my grandma coming by, it'sgoing to be a different than my friend.
but with the cosmic dancers, they'revery kind of by the book and they
don't, they don't fuss about as much.
It's more eloquent and concise,to the point they don't get
around the bush very much.
They don't rhyme.
they don't use a lot of symbolism They'rejust like, we need to get this teaching

(15:53):
across to this woman, so let's make itsimple for her, you know, and clear.
and then if I'm, if I'm getting amessage from an animal, whether it's
a spirit guide within, you know, theland behind my eyes, or an animal
has actually showed up like on mydoorstep, and I'm like, oh, that's new.
I don't usually see a hedgehog.
here.
So what do you have to share?

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The animal messages are eitherreally packed with symbolism
that I then have to detective, orthey're very playful and rhyming.
And I realized that that's because animalsare so empathic and they're so intuitive.
They immediately pick upon my energy I like play.
I'm super playful and then Ilove stuff that rhymes and the

(16:35):
more childlike the better, right?
because they're operatingon that frequency.
That, to answer your question, Ihope, is sort of how I have discerned
the difference in the writings.
and a lot of times, Like, earlieron when I was very skeptical and I
thought, Have I taken this too far?
Like, am I, is this really happening?
I started asking for writtenevidence from, my star helpers.

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I had like a whole year where Iwas just getting a lot of written
channels from my star helpers.
And once I asked for evidence, Theydelivered, and they would send me
stuff that I had no way of knowingabout, knowing that I would then
go to our friend, the internet, ourfrenemy, the internet, and I would
look up what they had given me, right?

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And I would have to unpack it, andthat would lead me to, you know, what
I call the meat of the message, thatthat would be something so evidential
because I had just been askingthem about that specific question.
so that's how, I mean,this is, this is a huge.
piece of my own growth wasrealizing that evidential stuff
is not just for mediumship.
It's also for connecting with yourprism self, with your guides, with star

(17:42):
beings, with your ancestors on like a, acosmic level and not just in a sitting.
and the more I asked thecrazier, the evidence got.
And at that point I said, okay, let'snot talk ourselves out of this anymore.
This is really happening.
Oh, that answers that answer so much.
When you're saying that,I do have a question.
When you are channeling,what do you feel like after?

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Because I know with mediumship, I canget quite drained after, like, depending
on the situation, And like, you'resaying that there's, there's so many
different things you're tapping into.
Are there, are they eacha little bit different?
That's something I'mcurious to know about that.
Yeah.
Excellent question.
Again, for me, I always feel lighter.
Afterwards, I always feel lighter.
I don't feel drained at all.

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I feel really inspiredwhen I read it back.
It's usually, unless it's, youknow, a partnered writing with,
with me and my prison self.
I have been able to, for the mostpart, check out of this space.
You know what I mean?
All of my worries have just dissipatedmuch like in a mediumship reading, right?
Which is cool that, you know, peoplecome to us for help, and then we

(18:47):
also get a break from our own shit.
You know, it's nice.
Right.
but it's definitely, I feel like Ijust took a bath, or I just meditated.
but even more so than that, Ijust feel like held and lifted up.
Cause when I read it back anddiscover, what has happened.
And I have this physical gift that Iget to keep forever, regardless of if

(19:08):
years later, I'm like, this is shit.
Let's get rid of it.
You know, like, but for me, like ifsomeone said, what is channeling to
you, what does it feel like to you?
And I had only one word to answerwith, I think I would say freedom,
because really anything goes,it's all just a canvas for you.
And the only thing in your way is freedom.

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You not thinking that it's real or notbeing willing to allow yourself to fully
release all your, your inner, your biasesand you know, Oh, that word is stupid.
Why is that there?
Just it's cause complete freedom.
So yeah, it lifts me up.
It makes me feel rejuvenatedrather than drained.

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That's beautiful because like mediumship,you know, we've learned because that,
that is also a form of channeling.
And I love that this conversationis all about channeling because as I
shared before you started, I reallywanted to touch on that topic and kind
of expand on the understanding of whatthat is, for all of our listeners.
but with mediumship, when you finallysurrender to it and you finally just

(20:12):
have faith in what it is, Then spiritcan come through so much easier.
And it, and it's like, it just addsfuel to the whole thing and it just
makes it start working a lot better.
So I imagine when you were channelingthese messages or you're connecting
with these, these, uh, star beingsor your higher self or these animals,
finally, once you got to a place whereyou just trusted in it and you just

(20:32):
let it go, then you probably justsaw it start just going, going nuts.
Cause like the, the poetry and stuffthat you share on your social media is.
It's beautiful.
And there's a number of times I'vereached out to you to be like, wow,
like I needed to hear that today.
Or, you know, that just, that really hits.
So, for you to just surrender to thatand then share it to the world, I

(20:54):
think, I think it's a beautiful gift.
And thank you for, thankyou for doing that.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
I noticed when I go back in myposts, I, and my earlier ones that
I shared, I'm visibly uncomfortable,you know, and I just cringe.
I just cringe watching themand I'm like, I want to delete
this from my whole timeline.
But it's like, it's, it's a good reminderbecause we also often can get in that

(21:18):
mindset of, I'm not making progress.
I'm just where I was two years ago.
And so, you know, for that reason,social media is kind of cool because you
have a cringe diary to go back to andbe like how much more comfortable I am.
I'm going to have a diaryof Marisa quotes here.
I'm trying to write them all down.

(21:38):
They're so good.
They're so good.
Imagination is the gateway drug.
That one, I might, I mighthave a t shirt from that one.
Solid gold.
So what would be, just curiosity.
I, and I believe you are the firstanimal communicator, a specific one

(21:58):
that we've had, to talk to on here.
So what would be like, what wouldbe a story that you could maybe
think of that would be one of themost like magical or surprising or
evidential things that you've gottenthrough an animal communication?
Yeah.
Oh, I'm, I'm honored to be the firstanimal communicator on your show.
Officially.
the first one that comes to mind isreally, it's short and it's simple

(22:21):
and it's direct and it's evidential.
And it has to do with one of myhouse rabbits, which if you know
me, like everything comes backto my fricking bunnies, but I had
just welcomed her into our home.
And this is actually coolbecause this was right.
She came in February of 2020,so this is right during my

(22:43):
like, elevated unfolding, right?
So I had been, you know, doing somepsychic classes here and there,
and I had been battling with myselfthat, no, I'm not a medium, that's
for other people, because my wholelife I knew I was psychic, but the
mediumship, I just thought thatbelongs to someone else, not me, right?
And I was kind of rememberingthe animal communication stuff,

(23:05):
because I had been interested in it.
And I'd always been really connected toanimals my whole life, but I had somehow
forgotten how easy it was to actually dothat when you don't make it seem so hard.
Right?
I had definitely overcomplicatedit by taking a couple classes and
convinced myself, well, I'm goingto have to save this for later.

(23:26):
Right?
so she's here.
I'm worried about ifshe is a lonely rabbit.
And I actually.
I wrote a children's book that's beingillustrated right now called The Lonely
Lagomorph, which is inspired by this.
Awesome.
I was going to ask if you'regoing to write a book.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.

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So we have two cats atthe time, we still do.
And I was just really excited.
fussing about my God, are you lonely?
Like, do you have enough?
hay, are you getting enough greens?
Do you have enough toys?
You get enough attention.
And I was just sort of circlingher in the living room.
I can still go right back there.
Just asking her if any, allthese things, were they enough?

(24:07):
And I wasn't intending forher to actually reply to me.
I was just sort of fretting, you know?
And then I heard her, like,audioly, like so clearly in this.
Beautiful female voice that wasn't likea Spanish speaker, but the words she said
were Spanish and I don't speak Spanish,you know, I count to like 20 maybe.

(24:29):
and like I know how to like Bono,, like bathroom, but it's not my jam.
And I heard her say bastas todos and Ijust stopped and I got this chill, like
from my feet up to my whatever's inbetween your boobs and your belly button.
And I was like.
Oh, what?
And then she said it again, Basta's Todos.
I was like, well, that, that's not aTV, a TV wasn't on, nothing was on.

(24:53):
And she's just looking at mewith her little bunny nose.
Like, are you hearing me?
And I was like, I think I, what?
I don't speak Spanish.
You crazy girl.
Like, what are you doing?
I need answers.
And so I Googled Basta's Todosand it means all is enough.
Wow.
Yeah.
And that, that was a hugemoment for me where I said.

(25:14):
Oh, I was making it too hardand also Spanish, like, really,
where did that come from?
So that's one of my, my favorite littlestories because it's just, she gave
me a moment was pretty mind blowing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.

(25:34):
So whenever I'm calling it tothe not enough, I always remember
that I'm like, Bustos totus.
Bustos totos.
Okay.
Bustos totos.
And then I would love for youto explain The Ladybug Line.
That's your, business name,your Instagram handle.
where did that come from?
Obviously you have a lotof connection with nature.
So, the ladybug, what does,what does that mean for you?

(25:56):
Yeah.
simply, So there's a dandelion and there'sa phone in the middle of the dandelion.
And at the other end, there's a lady,but just for reference for people
that don't know what my logo is.
Um, and I asked actually my, my drummerof that band to draw that up for me.
And he just drew it up for me andhe didn't ask what it was for.

(26:18):
I didn't say it's for my woo woo business.
So it was just like, I need thisto be drawn and I can't do it.
And so he did it and, I paid him 20 bucks.
And to this day, I don't know ifhe realizes what it was used for,
which is just, I think is funny.
but the reason for the lady bugwas just, you know, lucky lady bug.
No one can be sad if there'sa ladybug that lands on you.
You're not like, boo hoo, youknow, I'm depressed ladybug.

(26:39):
You're like, oh, you immediatelyget elevated, right, in your energy.
but I had, like I just said,everything comes back to my bunny.
So I'll make this part short, but it iswhere the ladybug actually came from.
I took my bunny on a trip.
to a tiny town, near Portland,Oregon, where we were living
called Vernonia, which justsounds so like magical Vernonia.

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and we stayed in this miniature redbarn, I think it was called the little
red caboose, maybe at an Airbnb.
And it was our first, you know,trip, just the two of us, like me, a
total psycho, like road tripping withmy bunny, you know, there we were.
And I, we arrived and I got her all setup in her little area and I was like,

(27:20):
okay, you know, I'm going to have abeer, going to lean into this experience.
It's going to be a great getaway.
And there was a little ladybug on thelamp next to my bed and the lamp was on.
And I just thought ladybugand it's the light.
And I thought, why do I feellike I'm going to remember this
moment later for something?
And so I packed it away in my brain.

(27:41):
I took a photo set, but I can'tfind it, which is unfortunate.
and then, you know, a few monthslater I decided, Oh, I need to name
my business if I'm going to do this.
and I don't want to just beMarisa the medium or whatever.
And it just came parachutingin boo, the lady bug line.
And I was like, what?
And then I saw the image ofthe lady bug on the light and
I thought, Oh, and the line.

(28:02):
Is like, you know, we have atelephone line to spirit world, right?
I'm doing mediumship.
And then the dandelion,I just love dandelions.
Like they're so, you know, nutritious.
They're so holistically beneficial.
they get such a bad rap and of coursewe all can make wishes on them.
So I thought, well, The dandelion isall about the opportunity people have.

(28:25):
If they choose to use it for allthe good that it has to offer, you
can use every single part of thedandelion, for some kind of help.
And so I thought, well, I want todo help in a bunch of different
ways with all the pieces ofmyself that are equipped to help.
So that's why it's The Ladybug Line.
And that's why I have that as my logo.
Ooh and I would be remiss if Ididn't mention, and with all spirit

(28:47):
guides, I feel like it's very fluid.
You know, a buffalo doesn't meanthe same thing for everyone.
But for me, ladybugshave always been fluid.
been a symbol of imagination,intuition, and of course, play.
I definitely need to touch on the linepart because well, while it's really
specific and kind of literal withthe telephone line as aligned to the
world of spirit, et cetera, it's alsoimportant, I think, to remember that

(29:11):
a lot of this work that we do is aboutlistening, about listening to ourselves.
about listening to spirit, about listeningto others and their perspectives and
really honoring their own experience.
Because so much of the talkin the spiritual space is
very, this is how it is.
And I think it's, it's key that weallow for differences of opinions.

(29:32):
but mostly my favorite symbologyaspect, metaphor, what have
you, of, my dorky little logosymbol is the ladybug line part.
I noticed some years agothat ladybugs follow a line.
If you draw a line with a pen, right?
It's like something that everyone knows,but we don't know why, why that happens

(29:53):
and we just don't think about it.
Right.
And so I went down a rabbit hole.
And I discovered, and maybe some listenersout there know this, but it blew my mind.
I discovered that the reason for thatis that there are some chemicals in
most pen inks that mimic the pheromonesthat ladybugs use to find each other.

(30:13):
That's so cool.
Right?
Oh, very cool.
I do.
I don't think I did know that reason.
Yeah, I love that.
And to me, that just spoke of.
You know, following thesynchronicities, following the
signs for yourself and journey.
I was like, Oh, that's likefollowing the ladybug line.
And also on top of that, you know,you've, I'm sure you guys have

(30:35):
noticed before that if you're in aroom, whether it's a physical room
or a zoom room, you immediatelyare drawn to a specific person.
It's like, we all have little antennasthat just say, hello, I'm like you.
It's like this magicalmagnet that you can't see.
although I do picture antennas onpeople, so that's a weird thing about me.
I'm like, Oh, look at their antenna.

(30:56):
That's cute.
I like the color.
but I just thought, you know, we'reall just out here following our
own lady bug line, whether it'ssynchronicities for ourselves or finding
and following, not in a stalker way,people that are meant to be stalkers.
You know, do some kindof teaching swap, right?
Like I'm going to learnsomething from you.
You might learn something from meand maybe we'll stay together for

(31:18):
many, many years, or maybe it'lljust be two ships in the night and
we'll say bonk, you know, we'll bonkantennas, say thank you and move along.
So that to me is like the, myfavorite little hidden reason
why it's called the ladybug line.
Oh, I love that even more now becauseI've always associated it with like
the, you know, when you explain thetelephone line part, but like now I

(31:38):
love that even more because that'seven, deeper and it's more meaningful.
So, yeah, thank you.
Yeah.
At the end of my one podcast that Irecorded so far, so much work, you
guys, I don't know how you do this.
I said, follow the effing pheromones.
That was like my sign off.
And I thought people are going tosay, what is she talking about?
You know?
Cause I didn't expect that.
I don't know how to explain it.
I just, just said it.

(31:59):
Right.
Hang there.
Ha
I love that.
Thank you for asking.
Yes.
You're welcome, . Thank you for sharing.
You got it.
Well, I think we had talked about whenwe discussed about doing this interview
that it would be fun with you to notonly share with our listeners how
amazing and magical and inspirationalyou are, but we would love if you

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would join us in a little round tablediscussion where we thought we would
just throw out a couple spiritual topics.
ideas or feelings or questions, and thenwe could all just kind of get together
and discuss our opinions or feelings orthoughts or ideas around, these topics.
So does that sound good with everyone?

(32:45):
Yeah.
Awesome.
Yeah.
I thought we could go
for five hours.
Would you like to begin?
I know this, this onemight be a long episode.
We'll, we'll see where it ends up.
Two hours.
Right.
Okay.
So I think the one thing I want to talkabout because I just had an experience
with it a few days ago is angels.
And if either of you have experienced.

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Angel energy or something that feltlike very high vibration in that
way where it kind of felt angelic.
So I'm going to tell you mystory quickly and then I'd love
to hear like what you guys have.
So I've been going through a reallystressful time in general in my life.
I've had like a lot of differentlosses and things like that.
I found out I have to move.
And so I'm having, or I was havingsome difficulties with my landlord.

(33:30):
She was pressuring mefor certain things going.
off of our contract that we had agreed toand was pressuring me for giving her money
that I didn't have anything to do withthat had to do with her in a contract with
a rental agency that she was using andthen it was like this whole thing where
I didn't know if I would have to eitherGo through court with her, all these
different things, or she'd come over andharass me or all these different things.

(33:52):
It was just very stressful.
And I have like three children and I waslike, Oh my gosh, I just want them to be
safe and not to be going through this.
And so I was just not doing good.
So I was laying in bed a few daysago and I was just thinking like,
I really need some spiritualhelp from this person's energy.
I need some feeling of safety.
So I'm not constantly like shaking.
Like I was literally having like suchbad anxiety that I couldn't stop shaking.

(34:15):
I couldn't eat or anything like that.
So I was laying in bed.
I was like, I need protectionfrom an angel or something.
And then suddenly in my mind's eye, Isaw what at first felt like just this
really strong being in front of my frontdoor, like outside of my front door.
And then I saw it outside of my back door.
It was very tall.
It looked very.
Androgynous, like it didn't reallyfeel female male or whatever.

(34:37):
Like it had this just very like pristineand perfect looking, like very good skin
tone, very strong and very strong build.
And then suddenly I felt this energyaround it and I couldn't see wings, but it
was like this burst of energy around it.
and then this being took these swords.
and then just went like crossed theirarms and it was like kind of these two

(34:58):
swords and then they open their armsand suddenly this big burst of energy.
It's kind of hard to explain becauselike I'm on my podcast here but so their
arms are open with this sword kind ofjust like with their chest out and this
big burst of like, blue and gold energyjust went like all around my house out
around the neighborhood and it was sointeresting because like all the thoughts

(35:21):
like just like mediumship like it cameso instantly and it wasn't me making it
up it was just me being shown this andthe energy kind of reminded me of a sound
wave right like there was It was likealmost vibrating out and then I was like,
oh my gosh, I was like, this is an angel.
I can recognize now this is an angel.
And I was like, I wonderwhich angel this is.
I have to look up likewho carries the sword.
And I was like, who is this?

(35:43):
And then I heard Michael.
I was like, okay, well, like I'veconnected to Michael before, but
it was in a such a different waythat I was like questioning myself.
Is it actually Michael?
And then I, I went the next day.
And I looked it up, andit was archangel Michael.
And that makes sense because ofthe blue energy and all that stuff.
But when that moment happened,I just felt this sense of like

(36:04):
peace and relief in my body.
And I was able to stop shaking.
I was able to eat a lot more.
And then three days later, Ilike, I just knew that everything
was okay at that point.
And then I did, I ended up gettinga text message from my landlord.
I was like, okay, I wonthis battle kind of thing.
Right.
But It was just so vivid the thingsthat I saw in my mind's eye and just

(36:25):
the feeling that it gave me in my body.
And then like, again, giving me a pieceof evidence, like holding these swords,
I guess he actually usually holds likea shield or whatever and like a sword,
but that was the energy was givingwas like this shield of protection.
So that was super cool.
I have never really had such avisceral like angel moment before.
Like I, I can feel angelsaround and stuff like that.

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Nothing where it was just like, Boom.
Like it was very like,don't fuck with me energy.
Like it was really interestinghow it kind of came across.
Um, it just gave my whole body chills.
So that's my story.
I'd love to know, like, if youguys have experienced anything
like that, like angelic energyor something along that lines.
And I know you were saying to me, so likeyou connect to more like cosmic beings, or

(37:07):
it could even be kind of like, Somethinglike that that you've experienced.
Yeah.
First I just want to say that's a,that's a beautiful story and so powerful.
and now I'm just picturing ArchangelMichael entering your area with a
shirt that says don't fuck with me.
Yeah!
interestingly, before we hopped on today,I said to myself, Hmm, I think we're going
to end up talking about Archangel Michael.

(37:29):
That's so funny.
Yeah, here we are.
obviously I do have a lot of,of cosmic beings, star friends.
I do have a lot of stories aboutthat, but I think because of this
Archangel Michael thing, I'm justgoing to go back to my first ever
angel experience that I would label assuch because it was Archangel Michael.

(37:50):
and I think it was in 2020 as well.
And I had never heard of, paidattention to, been aware of
the archangels like at all.
You know, I hadn't read up on it.
It was completely out ofmy realm of like awareness.
and I forget where I was.
I think I was in my livingroom, but I saw this.
flash of blue.

(38:10):
Oh no, no.
I was on my stoop where Istarted my channeling practice.
That's where it was.
I saw this big flash of bluelike so clearly and there was
no reason for that at all.
And it was, it almost seemed likeit was in slow motion just to ensure
that I would have time to see it.
Say, what is that?
Hold on.

(38:31):
Okay.
It's really there.
And then as I was immediately secondguessing it like, well maybe I'm
like having a stroke or like maybeI should get my eyes checked or you
know, whatever, it happened again butjust quick enough to be like, nah,
I'm here and I was like, well how amI supposed to figure out what that is?
Like seriously?
And so I just googled Blue energy inair, you know, something like that.

(38:53):
And that led me to Archangel Michaeland I was like, okay, well, I'm going
to need more when you need more, right?
We always need more.
Like I like to ask for it in threes.
I think you guys havetalked about this as well.
And.
as the week unfolded, everything keptcoming up Archangel Michael and some
of them were on my phone, which tome, I dismissed because I'm like,
well, Google is always listeningto me and they're tracking what

(39:15):
I'm looking up or providing me withmore Archangel Michael stuff, right?
So I was like, no veto discountthat doesn't doesn't cut it.
And I would like I overheard,at the bar I was at.
Someone behind me was like,Archangel Michael, like,
wait, what, what is happening?
And just little, little thingslike that kept popping up.

(39:35):
And the more it happened, you know, likewithin a week's period, I was like, okay,
well, maybe we live in a simulation.
And so this is why it's allbeing served up to me right now.
But I'm going to choose to believethat this is, this is Michael saying,
no, I'm introducing myself, you know?
and so I did some meditations.
with him.
And I just came to understandthat he is like the go to angel

(39:58):
for someone newly developing.
and really kind of goingwith gusto on their path.
And I thought, well, that must mean I'm.
Like on the right path, right?
If there's, if this angel isshowing up to help me, so yeah, my
first introduction, it wasn't aslike profound as, as the story you
shared, but I will never forget it at
all.
Oh, that's amazing.
And that evidence, like you said,that just keeps coming to you and

(40:19):
hearing somebody randomly sayingsomething in the background about it.
I feel like to me, for meto like, I've had that.
The spirit where I'm like,okay, this isn't just me, right?
It's not just my phone pickingup the algorithm, like you said.
So that's cool.
I love that.
Thank you for sharing that.
You know, this is my favorite.
I love this topic.
I love, uh, I loveangels and divine beings.

(40:39):
This is like, I, yeah, I couldtalk about this for one whole show.
I kind of like Marisa, I didn't have a lotof angel vocabulary or understanding prior
to this part of my spiritual journey.
Since I was very young, I was very awarethat there were a lot of things out there.

(41:01):
I specifically remember, when,I was never great at school.
I just didn't, I was just,I didn't want to be there.
I just wanted to, you know, my, mysiblings were, are a lot older than me.
So I've always had a hard timeconnecting with With peers.
So I just always felt like kind of bored.
but I remember in grade school, when westarted learning about Greek mythology,

(41:22):
it was like the first time there was atopic that I was at all interested in and
I could, there was something about this.
That was the first time that mymind expanded, that there was more
possibly than just the one ideaof what, you know, air quote, God,
universe, for You know, there's,there's more ideas around what that is.

(41:45):
There's there's in the past beenmore understandings and experiences
that people have shared throughouttime of what that could be.
so.
I've always been drawn to thoseareas of like ancient beliefs and
other, religions in the world.
And, you know, being gay, I think alot of people I think sometimes we

(42:08):
have a hard time with some of the,Judaic, Christian, you know, Abrahamic
religions because, you know, there'sjust not a great history there.
It's getting better and peopleare expanding their understanding.
But I think for that, I always had aweird feeling when it came to the, the
word angel, all of that being said.
So I, so I've had this awareness ofall these beings, but once I started

(42:28):
developing, it was Archangel Michaelwho also came to me in the beginning.
and it was the blue light.
It was that understanding that he, likeyou said, Marisa, like he, helps us.
On our path of building our relationshipwith all of it, and helping kind
of find our true calling and why itis that, you know, we are all here

(42:50):
and what it is we're wanting to do.
So, and it's been really beautifulbecause As I've developed that
relationship with angels and been ableto recognize who they are now that now
they can show me things so that I canbe like, Oh, I have a reference of to
who you are and what it is I need toshare about that like in a reading.
if Archangel Haniel comes to me, orif I get imagery of her before, uh,

(43:13):
Uh, reading she's the Archangel of themoon and she's all about our emotions.
And, I know that my client that I'mabout to read for is going through
a bit of an emotional period or somekind of emotional growth or whatever.
so it's, it's been beautiful tokind of develop that As time goes
on, but I, those experiences likethe one you shared, Shayla, like
those are the, those are the momentsthat we need, we, we need for them.

(43:36):
I mean, we get validations, we get,we do these readings, but us as the
conduit, as the channeler, as the,the medium or the psychic or whatever,
you know, We need those connectionsthat just blow us away that just like
stop us in our tracks and for themto just remind us like, it's okay.
Do not forget like weare always here with you.

(43:57):
We are always supporting you.
We are always, just a phone call away.
So, I love this is where this went.
So, Marisa.
Do you have something youwant to bring to the table.
Sure.
Yeah, I stood on this all day.
I was like, what booksto bring for roundtable.
Oh God, I could really get lostin a rabbit hole for these.

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what I really felt for some reasoncalled to bring up is spiritual triggers.
And what I mean by that is like whenour own spiritual belief systems.
get, triggered unintentionally, nomatter how open we are to different
experiences or how things are prettyfluid and anything could be possible.
Like if someone says something thatjust hits you in that, that kind of

(44:42):
soft spot spiritually where you'relike, Ooh, that felt like a bruise.
And now I'm kind of angry.
Like, let's investigate thatand just kind of ask if you guys
have, Any spiritual triggers.
Cause I just became aware of minerecently, I think, like actually aware
where I said, Oh, let's look at that.
and I thought that that wasinteresting and I don't really hear
about that a lot from other people.

(45:04):
What is the experience that, you hadthat you realized what yours was?
Yeah.
So there, there were two and theywere maybe like a month apart.
one of them was.
I was, I was doing a fair and the person,you know, just down the way from me and
I became kind of friends in the beginningand then we did our readings and at the
end of the day we were swapping storiesand this person said, Oh, I did a fair.

(45:27):
a mediumship reading and I had totell this woman that her son can't
communicate with her from the spiritworld because he's already reincarnated.
And that I felt like I was, my gutswere being twisted, you know, but I
didn't want to be like, that's not real.
Cause anything is possible, but just.

(45:48):
The idea of this person telling her clientthat's not possible because of this.
It didn't sit right with me just becausehow I would have handled it and then my
own belief system where I think both canBe true where you can have reincarnated,
but you can also still be existing in thisconscious energy state and spirit world
so that is one and you guys are nodding.

(46:09):
So i'm glad i'm not alone inthis And then the other one was
spirits that are trapped, trapped.
The word trapped doesn't resonate with me.
Um, this whole idea of, oh,I'm going to go exercise.
a house and get rid of this trappedspirit through like saging or
crystals or holy water, whatever.

(46:31):
I think great.
The intention, if the intention is pure,there's no harm in blessing a house.
There's no harm in connecting to the worldof spirit in a home that feels heavy.
but I, the word trapped, I just feellike, no, there's residual energy.
There's residual memoriesbecause of the energy.
Absolutely.
And you can definitely clear those,but I personally don't feel like

(46:51):
a spirit is ever trapped, but alot of people do this for work.
You know, they offer this as aservice and I found, I found myself
being kind of judgy about it justbecause of my own belief system.
So those are my two examples.
Yeah, I agree with those and those,are triggers of mine as well,

(47:12):
because, and I'll, I'd like, yousaid it, but you said it best.
It just goes against my understanding ofwhat is possible and what our role is.
As a medium here for other people.
so the one for me that is in thesame lane is when I hear that

(47:33):
someone has told someone that,your loved one, can't cross over.
They haven't crossed over yet.
So let's, together in this reading,we're going to help them cross over.
that to me feels very predatory.
Of, the person that's sittingthere in grief and their situation.
that one really, really bothers me.

(47:54):
That's why I used the word predatory, but
I feel triggered justhearing you talk about it.
Yeah.
So that one would be mine in a lot inthat lane of how people, because the
other trigger I have is people who have.
Misunderstandings of what and how it is wedo what we do, and it's only fed by those

(48:17):
people out there doing things which I feelare not in the highest and greatest way
to be doing them and to be serving them.
So it's like this wheel of responsibility.
Things that could be solved if theywere just done correctly in the first
place would just remove a lot of thismisunderstanding of, how it all works.
Yeah.
Agree.

(48:37):
Yeah.
There's so much of what you both justsaid where I'm like, yeah, I really,
do feel, feel that strongly as well.
I feel like I could segue into likeall these different things with it.
the negative energy or like people whenthey say about spirits being trapped.
I don't really believe in that, but Ihave been listening to this podcast.

(48:58):
I mentioned it previously.
it's called snap judgment presentsspooked and it's like people
telling their real lived stories.
It's really well done becausethere's like music in the background.
It just has a whole vibe to it.
I really like it.
But every time I hear stories, I alwaystry to kind of assess them and say,
okay, this is this person's perspective.
And these people like,That is their experience.

(49:19):
Like, there's no disregarding that, right?
But I wonder, like, what otherdifferent things could it be?
How could it be presented?
Like, is it, this evil energymaybe more so of an entity?
What are entities?
It kind of goes down a rabbithole in a way, but I'm like,
is it locked in memories?
Are they kind of tapping intodifferent dimensions where they're
interacting with different timelines?

(49:41):
I recently heard this.
Ghost hunter, I think hisname is Kalani or something.
I heard him on an interview and he wassaying how in one of his investigations,
it appeared that he was actually talkingto somebody in the future in a different
timeline who thought he was a ghost.
So that was kind of like aninteresting kind of concept.
So things like that, like, I just, Ithink I'm so open minded sometimes to the

(50:03):
point where like, It's kind of maybe toomuch, but I just feel like we just don't
know the answers to everything, right?
And we can only go based offof what we have experienced.
So there's that.
I do feel like there's so many thingsare predatory with that too, like,
someone having their child dyingand then someone saying to them,
oh, it's because you have a curse.
Like, that's so inappropriate, like,things like that, that I've just seen

(50:26):
time and time again, but it's like,okay, no wonder there's some, you know,
bad press on like everything, right?
And then we have the mediarepresentation often that's just
very not aligned with reality.
So that definitely can get me goingand get me frustrated when people say
like, oh, yeah, your, your loved oneis trapped or they can't get crossover
because oftentimes it's just them.
Saying like, hey, I'm here, or justwanting to communicate or kind of

(50:50):
help their loved one, you know,through the grief process or, you
know, different things like that.
So that's definitely one thing,for me, for sure, that really gets
me kind of triggered with that.
one thing that is something I experienced,it was in October, I kind of talked
about it, I think, like on our show,is when I had a friend who passed away.
And he was born again Christian andjust like some of the feelings of

(51:12):
that kind of created and that reallyspiraled me down like questioning like
what is real and what is not real.
And I think every religion or demographicof belief can go into these toxic kind
of traits, if that's the correct wordI don't know but like, there's always
going to be like negative and positiveabout things and we have to decide.

(51:33):
You know, where we want to go with things.
I did also have some experiences too,because I've been working, doing a
lot of backend work for differentspiritual entrepreneurs, like
quite a lot of them at this point.
And I did notice that not for allof them, but for some of them, the
messages that they're bringing outinto the world and what they're
promoting is so different than whatthey actually live in their real lives

(51:55):
and how they communicate with people.
and it's very opposite.
to what they're selling.
And I think sometimes the consumerismaround spirituality can really get
me kind of frustrated, because I'mlike, here you are making thousands
and thousands of dollars promotingcertain things, but on the back
end, you don't want to spend money.
You're very like, Have a lot ofmoney ones that you haven't worked

(52:16):
through, or you're just not livingthat lifestyle that you're promoting.
And that to me just kind of, that wasall around the same time too, where
it just made me like kind of question,like, well, what is spirituality
and what is real and what is realto certain people versus not to me.
And just kind of going through that,but at the same time, that trigger
was good because I think it remindedme to kind of self check myself and

(52:37):
see like, well, what do I believe in?
What do I want to offer?
What's real and true to me.
So, that's what I have for.
And I think that's something that like,I don't know if a lot of people could
talk about it, cause not everybodyhas that experience with working
in the back end part of things.
And of course there's some peoplewho are super in alignment with what
they're doing at the same time too.
And I'm like, wow, that's sobeautiful to see that person being

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so true to themselves behind closeddoor and then also in public.
So yeah, that's my answer to that.
There's so many lists wecould go down of the triggers.
Like now that we've got this ballrolling, I'm like, well then.
Wait a minute, what about this too?
Yeah, when you brought up timelines, Iwas like, that's a whole other episode.

(53:17):
I know, right?
Yeah, I love that
topic.
This might have to be aseries with you, Marisa.
Like a series of episodes.
Sign me up.
So My round table question.
It's going to be a little bit lighter.
Cause I find it kind of funny.
What spiritual phrase or spirituallingo are you so burnt out on?

(53:45):
Oh, I love this
one.
It's so good because I am finding it, Toget, and I say it, it's like, it's the
words that we have to use in order toconvey that point across or, you know, or
if we've done training or, I mean, thisis how we've learned to understand it.
mine and it is a true statement.

(54:06):
It is a practice I believe in.
It is something that rings true.
I'm just so sick of hearing thephrase is, moving past that,
which does not serve you anymore.
That one.
That's the one.
I'm like, I got to figure outanother way to deliver that.
Cause I, if I have to say serve youone more time, it's, I just can't

(54:27):
I initially just want to say all of it.
And I know that sounds terrible
truth
comes out.
Yeah.
But like, cause I know it's so funny.
I, I don't know, like, you know, whenpeople start, like, you have a spiritual
business, you're marketing yourself,there's certain words that just get
used over and over and over again, andsometimes they can lose their, even this
word, authenticity, like, authentic trueself or whatever, right, like, there

(54:51):
is a lot of that, and I think sometimesI find myself going, okay, how could
I reword this phrase when I'm speakingto somebody, and then sometimes you get
so into your, you know, your groups ofpeople are following certain types of,
you know, spiritual pages, and you'relike, You're now speaking in that language
and you go out and you start talking toother people, you're like, wow, I sound
so like, I don't know, you know, just sowoo woo or whatever, but I don't know.

(55:14):
I honestly, like, Iguess that is my answer.
There's part of me that's like all of it.
Like,
I don't know.
Yeah.
I kind of want to steal your answer.
That's really great.
I'll just kind of piggyback off yoursthough and say the authenticity.
I feel like a lot of these words areno longer sacred, because they've
been overused, they've been appliedto everything, and they've been, like,
made into, like, consumerism, right?

(55:36):
It's like, you can'tpurchase authenticity.
But you would think you could byhow much it is used, especially
in the spiritual community.
something that bothersme is healing journey.
That has been just way overused.
We all have healing journeysat some point in our life.
Yes.
But to constantly say it, for me, itmakes it seem like, behind The, you

(56:01):
know, if you just see something likewritten on a computer screen that says
my healing journey, what the truth ofwhat's behind that is life is pain.
That's what I see.
And I don't, I don't likethinking life is pain.
Life has has pain, butthere's a difference.
So every time I see, uh, you know,and I also kind of have a struggle

(56:22):
with the word healer a little bit aswell because I think it gets stamped
on people that don't really that thatthat wouldn't really apply to them.
You know what I mean?
like I wouldn't say I wouldn't puton like my business card healer.
I just, I wouldn't do that.
It would feel strange for me, you know,So that, that, yeah, the word heal,
healing, and healer, those are, ooh,they get my goat, and then I feel judgy,

(56:44):
and then I'm like, well, it's good toheal, you know, why am I such a bee?
But it's just, it, it gets to a pointwhere the power is drained from the word,
because it's just slapped on everything.
Exactly.
it's something I've kind of joked abouta little bit on the show, like here or
there, I'll catch myself getting readyto say something, but then I have no
other way to explain it, especially whena lot of our audience is in this space.

(57:08):
I, you have to speak the language.
and I say it in jest.
I mean, there's a lot of amazing peopleout there that do phenomenal work and,
you know, do use this language anddo, you know, really resonate with it.
So, um, this is all just.
This is all to be kind of fun and kindof laugh at ourselves a little bit
as, I think with social media and, youknow, as Shayla was saying, she works

(57:30):
for a lot of spiritual entrepreneurs.
there's this whole business aspect, whichHas grown from this world and a lot of
people who are trying who are developingsuccessful and great businesses.
I mean, all of us are doing that as well.
Around this.
So I think it's okay to take a littlebit of the seriousness out of it
and just kind of laugh at ourselvesa little bit as we Continue to grow

(57:53):
and navigate this and bring what thetrue root of what it is we're doing.
bring that to, you know, bring that tothe world because that is why we were, we
were all called here in the first place.
And I just want to add one more thingand really quickly, it's like, you
know, it's so important that we douse Words that do feel right with us.
so there's no judgment really onlike people who do use that, but it's

(58:16):
just like making sure that when youuse those words, they actually are
fitting and feel good with you and whatyou want to represent in the world.
And again, like we're allin spiritual business.
Like we, you know, there's nothingwrong with making money and feeding
your children or paying your mortgageor whatever, your animals and stuff,
taking care of them with this money.
I mean, we deserve to makemoney and I want to make that.

(58:38):
Clear to you because there's a lot ofpeople who think, oh, you should be
doing this for free, but it takes a lotof energy and the back end stuff of,
you know, to put together a business.
It's a lot of work too.
So it's just really about stayingconnected to yourself and like
how you want to represent yourselfand not following just because
everyone's doing it right.
Like check yourself a little bit ifyou're feeling like pressure to use

(58:58):
these words or phrases or things becausethere might be another way to create
language around it that feels more you.
That makes sense.
Yeah, beautiful.
Can I add one quick thing that's sortof a little off the path but not really.
Yeah, for sure.
so when I was taking medium,mediumship classes, like heavily.
I had a couple different teachers whoI won't Name the names of and they're

(59:20):
lovely, but they, the way they teachis that you don't say, would you
understand this woman in spirit has ablue purse and it's full of seashells.
Instead, you would say, Youunderstand a woman with a
blue purse carrying seashells.
They were like, you always have toframe it without the, would you?

(59:43):
Or, and it's not as a question,you're just telling them that they
would understand because in doingthat, it makes them remember.
And that never sat well with me.
Cause that's sort of like,you're telling someone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, it's just the wording seems shady.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
And so, and I would get correctedin class, like, no, not with you.

(01:00:07):
You would understand.
I'm like, no, I'm not doing that.
And I'm still kind of unlearning thatto this day, you know, I'll be doing
a reading and I'll catch myself.
It happens so quickly, you know, thatI'm like, wait, no, wait, I want to
ask them if this resonates with them.
So I've really had to pay attentionto just the language I'm using in
a reading to unlearn the way thatI was taught by so many, like,

(01:00:28):
well esteemed mediumship teachers.
I think that's important to note,you know, that just because they're
esteemed, um, doesn't mean thattheir way is right for us, or right
for you.
Yeah, absolutely.
That actually I was kindof thinking a little bit.
I'm glad you said that along thatline too, because even there's certain
people in my life that I have, likefamily members who are really spiritual

(01:00:51):
too, but they'll get really connectedto one person that they're following.
And it's like, no, thatperson knows the right way.
And that's how you do it.
And I think you have tobe careful of that too.
Right.
Because like, to be honest, there's a lotof like culty energy that can happen and
like any religion, any spiritual thing.
And it's so important to do theright What feels good for ourselves.
And even for me too, when I was takingcourses, there are certain things that

(01:01:15):
I was told you have to do like in order.
And when I tried to do that,it really just made me stuck.
Like I couldn't do that.
But when I let go of thosethings, that's when it all
starts coming just so naturally.
Right.
So just because somebody, anauthority figure or whatever is
saying to do it a certain way,it doesn't mean that it's always.

(01:01:36):
Going to be what's good for us or trueto how we work So I love that you said
that because I think that's just anoverall good reminder to be aware of so
No formula for mediumship, right?
It's just being true to yourself Andsurrendering, trusting, doing your
best, you know, like that to me isthe formula, all of this, like you

(01:01:59):
said, doing things in a certain order.
That was something Ihad to unlearn as well.
And as soon as I let go ofthat, it was so much easier.
All my readings were so much morefluid and I wasn't leaving a reading
feeling like, why am I doing this?
I'm the worst, you know,I was leaving a reading.
Wow, that was so easy.
And what fun.
Yeah.
And we're all so unique.

(01:02:20):
It, it, it works for us alljust a little bit differently.
So, there is no box thatit all, it all can fit in.
So, yeah, if you're, if you're developingand you are looking for guidance, I would
find someone that, The guides that way,that it's very much like you have to, you
have to find your journey, you have tofigure out how it works for you and, you
know, it gives a safe space to do that.

(01:02:41):
So I think the whole, would you knowthis, what you were sharing, Marisa, I
think that just added a new trigger tomy list of things that are, that are
triggering to me, because, so much of itis, you know, the reason I say, would you
understand this, or does this make senseto you is because I'm trying to interpret
what I'm being shown and I can't figurethat out, you know, so that teaching

(01:03:04):
doesn't even, doesn't even make sense.
But, I was thinking while we were havingall of this conversation, if anyone
was capable of reshaping the lingoaround this world in a very beautiful
and magical way, that would be you, Ms.
Marisa.
I feel like you could channel a wholenew dictionary of spiritual lingo for

(01:03:28):
us to start using that is authenticand appropriate and respectful
and, heart centered as you are.
So thank
you.
What a strange and lovelycompliment that was
so true though, because all the thingsthat you said, like while I'm listening
to him, that is such a like, Cool andinteresting way to say that like to create

(01:03:49):
and paint that picture of everything.
before I go though I just this is aquestion I had previous to you and coming
on here I was like, what what are yourastrology signs because you're just so
unique and I always like there's certainpeople like I need to know their astrology
signs because like Yeah, so what is yours?
Yeah, what would I mean?
What would happen if I said, Idon't know, would that like, blow
your socks off down the road?

(01:04:11):
I do know, but I'm just curious.
Wouldn't that be such a weird answer?
Well, no, that would be great.
We're like, oh, great.
All right.
Next time.
Next time on Souly you haveto go look it up and let me
know.
So I am a Pisces Cancer Cancer.
Okay.
Yes.
Yeah, and then I actually just starteddelving into human design a little

(01:04:32):
bit after being kind of judgy andpoopoo y for the last few years.
because I'm just so like, labels, bad,no, I don't like that formula, no.
But then, you know, curiosity got thebest of me and I was like, well, I
shouldn't judge it until I've explored it.
Hello.
That's the antithesis of whatI usually am parading around.
Right.
so I got that done.
I haven't fully like done the massivedeep dive because it seems like I might

(01:04:56):
lose months of my life just learning.
Yeah.
But according to my chart, I don'teven know if that's what you call it.
I was a five one manifesting generator,which I think both of you were
manifesting generators to, right?
So I'm a generator, but I'm a five one.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then I'm a manifestinggenerator, but I'm a one three.

(01:05:19):
Cool.
I'm saying that very confidently.
Like, I mean, I, I haven't,I don't fully understand.
It is.
It's a whole nother, it's like, I'mstill trying to wrap my mind around
astrology, you know, as, as you weresaying, like those there's, that is such
a complex system and it's so in depth.
And then you add this whole other worldof human design, which is like another

(01:05:42):
whole, it's not even another chapter.
It's another whole bookthat we have to learn.
So, but yeah, I, when I've, whenI've had the reading and we had,
uh, Christy yell on here, which,she is very professional in.
I mean, it's.
Yeah, it, it really hitsthe nail on the head, but
yeah, it's again, all these thingsthat we have to, we have to learn

(01:06:04):
to hold space in this space.
so Marisa, if any of our listenerswould like to contact you, what would
be the best way for someone to find you?
What are the offerings that you do offer?
I looked on your website andyou actually, you actually
offer some pretty cool things.
I love the, you have the hand,reading where you'll have people

(01:06:26):
send pictures of your hand andthen you do artwork for them.
so if you could just share likehow people can find you and what
all it is, you can offer I would,I would very much appreciate that.
Yeah,
I appreciate you asking.
one of my like old, not old, that'snot the word, a woman who I had, it
was kind of like a business coach.
She told me you need to be talking moreabout your services on your social media.

(01:06:48):
Cause I don't think peopleunderstand what you offer.
And I was like, Oh, I don'twant to talk about my services.
I want to recoach me.
You know, my website's in my bio.
Um, so if you see my social media isshifting a little bit, it's because
I'm doing it in increments, right?
but so I do a bunch of differentreadings, mediumship, animal
communication, obviously, andall of them are done remotely.

(01:07:10):
I mean, I can do them in person.
That's fun.
but mostly they're remotely.
And I think it's worth mentioning.
For the animal communication ones, Ilike to get a photo of your animal a
few days before a session because Iconnect with the animal over the next
couple of days to build up trust.
And I just write pages and pagesof whatever they're sharing.

(01:07:30):
Hopefully it's pages and pages.
And then I kind of sit with it.
And I find that when we finallymeet up on zoom or on the phone,
then the animal is even more ready.
For further sharing once we're thereas a group because we've already had
that time getting to know each other'senergy and intentions and they're not
just immediately put on like a computerscreen like talk to this lady, you know I

(01:07:53):
think that that's kind of disrespectful.
So I do those, and then I do.
Psychic readings by way of channeledpoetry, prose, songs, it can kind of end
up being anything and those are, I callthem psychic soul insights because what
it really is, is I tune into your soul,anything else that's available to me.

(01:08:14):
is fair game.
And these usually end up, youknow, they take me about 10
minutes depending on the situation.
at fairs, I write them in five andit's usually one page, but if we're
doing it you know, a full lengthone, then I usually will take my
time to write it up on my own,again, using a photo of my client.

(01:08:35):
And I just tune into the photo.
I do the channeled words, usuallytwo pages for a full session.
cause at the fairs, they're like15 minute mini sessions, you know?
and then I send that to theperson in their email, but then
I also provide the hard copy.
And I send it snail mail to theiraddress, if they're comfortable with that.
Oh, cool.
And it's like on watercolor paper, and I,I, not always, but if it is being asked

(01:08:59):
of me to do so, I will go into the colorsand why I use them, because I do a lot of
color readings, and I use color in a lotof, How I understand things, much like
Marybeth mentioned on the other interview.
so I'll color them usually like threecolors and one is a power color.
One is like your soul color.
And one is your, your lacking color.
Like you need to workon this color right now.

(01:09:19):
And this is what it has to give youand that you're not tapping into.
and then when we meet up on,on the zoom or over the phone.
I, again, read it aloud, and thenwe unfold the psychic reading for
about 50 minutes through the words.
So if it's a story, I like to saythere's always five lines between
each line, because there's just somuch hidden in there, that will show

(01:09:42):
up the more you allow yourself andyour sitter to kind of sit with it.
and then, you know, they can alwaysrefer back to that at a later date
as they move through their journey.
and just be like, Oh, I see nowwhy that was in there at the time.
That seemed like a odd line, butnow I get it, stuff like that.
So those are really fun.
Um, I think what I love most about thoseis how they're all so unique because

(01:10:06):
everyone, everyone is so unique, right?
And there will never be twothat are even remotely the same.
Like I did one and it, it turnedout very Dungeons and Dragons y, you
know, and I was like, that's new.
It's super fun.
Right.
Um, and then, yeah, the wholeworld in your hands, intuitive
art drawings that I do.
That was one of those ideas that justcame to me without thinking about it.

(01:10:31):
And then resurfaced like a coupleweeks later as a full, fully developed
here, here's a way to do yourintuitive art readings differently.
And I thought, Oh, well Idon't think anyone's done that.
Maybe.
so I just have someone trace their hand,whichever hand, take a photo of it,
send it to me as like a PDF, whatever.
I print it out, and by me I meanmy husband, because printers and

(01:10:54):
I just don't get along at all.
And then I cut that out, the tracing ofyour hand, and then I trace your tracing.
And then I just, again, connect to yoursoul, your guides, your spirit friends.
anything available, and I allowthe intuitive art to unfold.
And this can be numbers,letters, symbols, animals.

(01:11:15):
It's fair game.
And I'm not here to say that my, mydrawing skills are like amazing because
they're kind of like third grade level.
But I think that that's what makesit even more fun because it's just
within the tracing of your hand andeven though it looks like a kid did
it, the messages within it are, it'sreally like a map of your soul, a map of

(01:11:37):
where you've been, where you're going,or where you have potential to go.
and then there's also like lots oflittle validating things in there
about where you currently are so thatit's just You know, I'm obviously huge
on validation, so I find that thatalways makes it into the hand drawings.
And then same as the written, readings,I mail that as a hard copy, snail mail.

(01:11:58):
And you can put it on your wall.
I know people that have done that.
And that makes me feel a littleembarrassed just because of my, you
know, my, my child, like drawing, butthen it's also like, what an honor that,
you know, that is, I think that thatjust goes to show that just because
you don't think you're quote good atsomething in the, assumed sense of what
it means to be good at something doesn'tmean it doesn't have value because it's

(01:12:20):
about the messages that come through.
in the images and not about how goodI can draw a horse, you know, which I
can't really draw a horse very well.
and then I have some classes aswell where I do, self visitation
box, which is really fun.
And that's sort of like a baselevel class, for people to take.
They don't have to, but I recommendpeople take that before any of my

(01:12:41):
other I call them play shops orexplorations, because it really helps
you check in with yourself, get toknow yourself better, really get in
the energy of this is all about meand that's not selfish, that's okay.
And really learn again to like playwith all your different parts and
understand how you can receive messages.

(01:13:01):
for yourself best and justforget about how you're helping
other people for the moment.
You know, it's all about you.
And then I do like, youknow, mediumship one on ones.
I'm a very one on one kind of person.
I don't love group activities.
and I do do classes sometimes thatare group classes and that's fun,
but I just love the one on onenessof journey with one other person.

(01:13:26):
it's such a sacred thing to share.
And, you know, as you were talking aboutearlier, the, like the freedom to just
let your uniqueness be the way that youdevelop, I think is really important.
Person to person.
so every course that Ioffer, I intuitively create.
For that specific person.
So sometimes people will ask for, youknow, like my coursework, my syllabus,

(01:13:47):
like, what do we do on week three?
And it just all depends on theperson and what we've learned about
them during our time together.
that's what I do.
my website is theladybugline.
com and I'm very active on Instagram.
And my Instagram is the underscoreladybug underscore line because The
Ladybug Line was taken when I set that up.

(01:14:09):
I don't know what that'sabout, but someone's getting
a knuckle sandwich eventually.
and then I'm on Facebook at TheLadybug Line and I'm on TikTok, but you
know, all that stuff's on my website.
If you go there, you'llsee all my socials.
and I love chattingwith people, obviously.
so if you would just want tohit me up on Instagram, that's
where I'm most like accessible.

(01:14:30):
Like, I would love to chatback and forth if you have any
questions, I'm here to answer them.
I just think it's so fun to get to meetso many different people and everyone's
on their different path, but the waythat we're converging is so beautifully
orchestrated that I think that there areno accidents when it comes to new people
stepping into your life, like you guys.

(01:14:53):
That's right.
That is true though.
Like I feel like this, just beingin these different communities and
like all that, you just meet suchincredible people with just such
diverse backgrounds and life stories.
So it's always amazingto connect to new people.
So thank you so much for Coming on to ourshow and for being a listener as well and
sharing all of your offerings I think youhave so many unique things happening and

(01:15:17):
I love how you do so many different thingsI think sometimes in this world it's
like oh you have to niche down and onlydo this and in reality like you can be
good at multiple different things and Youdon't have to just be a medium or just be
a psychic or whatever it or color readerYou can just integrate all these things
and it's it's really fun So beneficial forthe person that you're working with your
client like they receive so much from it.

(01:15:38):
So yeah, so glad to have you on.
I love this conversation.
I really think a lot ofpeople are going to enjoy it.
And hopefully in the future wecan have you on again because
they're just it's been really funtalking to you have so much to say.
So thank you.
Thank you
guys.
I had a total blast.
I look forward to our next roundtablewhenever that is and whatever it's about.

(01:15:59):
Yay, I can't wait.
We made it through.
We're on the cusp of Mercury Retrograde.
We're during eclipse season.
There's like 85 other thingshappening in the sky right now,
and we did it and it was amazing.
So, Marisa, thank you so much, and weare definitely going to do this again.
Thank you so much.
Happy April Fool's.
That's right.

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