Doug and Victor share their stories about how each them became interested in alien disclosure and were influenced by disclosure advocates such as Steven Greer, David Wilcock, Corey Goode, and others.
Trump, MAGA, postmodernity on the left and the right, and the problems of existential anxiety are discussed.
Both Doug and Victor found their way through those experiences in different ways. They discussed ways to engage in advocacy, including disclosure, from a different energy.
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